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Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:45:22 pm PDT

Here’s an open thread for a very warm Wednesday afternoon, as I try to wean myself from my addiction to the LGF Spy.

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1 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:47:18pm

Mine all mine bwahahhhaaa...

2 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:47:26pm

LGF Spies... like those scary Israeli movers... someone call Pat Buchanan!

3 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:47:43pm

Blues skies...nothin' but blue skies from now on...

4 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:10pm

I just got back from the "Forest" - Dave Johnson's site - and I feel like I need to wash.

Arguing with some of those folks is like wrestling with a pig: you get dirty and sweaty and the pig enjoys it.

5 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:17pm

Wean oneself from LGF Spy?
Wean one's addiction why?
You should use it with an eye
And keep let the trolls cry.

6 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:20pm

If the US GDP shows a drop in production for the 2nd quarter, I'm blaming LGF's Spy.

7 varmint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:21pm

cartoon for the hell of it.

toon

8 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:27pm

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

9 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:49:05pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

I was SO puzzled until I read your nic!

10 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:12pm

re: #9 goddessoftheclassroom

I was SO puzzled until I read your nic!


And you're a teacher, I am so pleased you worked that out

11 didache  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:16pm

Thank God, an open thread. Now can someone help me with a technical problem that is bugging me:

You know the current Hitler (Downfall) meme on YouTube where people subtitle a scene from the film Downfall with whatever topic amuses them (Hillary dressing down her campaign managers, themes about soccer or ice hockey etc) well my problem is I'm technically illiterate so how do you do that? How do you get that clip from Downfall and put your own subtitles on it? I want to do it as a practical joke on a workmate. I have a mac with iMovie and iDVD. What do I do next? Please help.

12 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:16pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

I think this'll be a lovely summer.

13 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:26pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

Six months plus that for the shortest day here. While you are in darkness, we'll be basking in the glow of longer days. (And vice versa later on, but that's later on.)

14 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:33pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

From where I work, it's the longest day: the sun won't even set if I get sent to the wrong place (high arctic).

You Kiwis are always getting things turned around.

15 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:50:57pm

Just saw Malkin on Fox News refer to Michelle Obama as Barack's Bitter Half

heh

16 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:51:04pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

That was a WHA--- moment. I forgot you're "down under".

17 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:51:33pm

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Wean oneself from LGF Spy?
Wean one's addiction why?
You should use it with an eye
And keep let the trolls cry.


I saw that before you even hit enter

18 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:51:34pm
19 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:52:37pm

Man, those communists are smart:

HAVANA - The egalitarian wage system Fidel Castro spent decades building in Cuba is no longer viable, plagued by low pay, corruption and waste that can be eased by paying workers more for better work, a top labor official said in an interview published Wednesday.

Paying people more... if they produce better work... wow, the mind boggles!

20 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:53:37pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Man, those communists are smart:

Paying people more... if they produce better work... wow, the mind boggles!

That's so ... capitalistic...

21 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:08pm

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

22 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:37pm

re: #20 The Other Les

How will Hugo handle this disappointment and change in Cuban policy?

23 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:52pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Frank who?

24 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:52pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Can you spell putz?

25 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:58pm

Anybody find the Obamas as creepy as I do? Never mind rhetorical question.
Barry talks about healing the Planet & Michelle talks about healing our souls.
IT seems like a New Age brew of goblygook, mixed with Marxism,
racial anomosity, and anti Americanism.

26 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:55:24pm

re: #19 Occasional Reader

Man, those communists are smart:


Paying people more... if they produce better work... wow, the mind boggles!

...but if you pay them more, won't they accumulate capital?...That sounds awful!

/

27 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:55:37pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Is this the test you were talking about?

No. Next question, Charles.

28 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:55:42pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Since I have no idea who that is, I definitely am not one of those people, if they exist.

29 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:56:09pm

re: #16 infidelia

That was a WHA--- moment. I forgot you're "down under".


Nup, its you who are "up-over"

30 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:56:14pm

Anyone have any idea what's wrong with my computer? When I hit "new comments" it refreshes to the top of the page. "Reply", "quote" or up-ding take me the home page. The format and "preview" buttons are inoperative. It's probably my machine and not LGF, but it becomes tedious to keep up with comments.

31 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:56:22pm

Well since this is an open thread. A place I volunteered on in a galaxy long ago . Ah youth, it's wasted on the young.
[Link: www.panoramio.com...]

32 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:56:24pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

33 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:56:51pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?


My first though was "navel gazers"...

34 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:57:01pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?


is there an echo in my living room?

35 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:57:11pm

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Since I have no idea who that is, I definitely am not one of those people, if they exist.

That is not the Frank Luntz that obambi knew.

36 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:57:16pm

re: #30 UFO TOFU

Anyone have any idea what's wrong with my computer? When I hit "new comments" it refreshes to the top of the page. "Reply", "quote" or up-ding take me the home page. The format and "preview" buttons are inoperative. It's probably my machine and not LGF, but it becomes tedious to keep up with comments.

That will happen if you have Javascript turned off. Check your browser settings...

37 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:57:49pm

re: #29 A Kiwi Infidel

re: #16 infidelia

That was a WHA--- moment. I forgot you're "down under".


Nup, its you who are "up-over"

Of course, neither of us is necessarily either, since there's no real "up" for the Earth.

38 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:57:58pm

re: #25 opnion

Anybody find the Obamas as creepy as I do? Never mind rhetorical question.
Barry talks about healing the Planet & Michelle talks about healing our souls.
IT seems like a New Age brew of goblygook, mixed with Marxism,
racial anomosity, and anti Americanism.

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.

39 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:15pm

re: #14 CanadianBacon

From where I work, it's the longest day: the sun won't even set if I get sent to the wrong place (high arctic).

You Kiwis are always getting things turned around.


We are not quite that close to the Antarctic, but it must must be fascinating to see that, the sun that never sets. BTW how are those endangered polar bears?

40 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:18pm

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

41 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:40pm

I got kicked off LGF about 5 minutes ago. I thought maybe I had gone back in time to my early AOL days.

42 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:46pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

unless you're in an airplane...

43 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:56pm

re: #25 opnion

Anybody find the Obamas as creepy as I do? Never mind rhetorical question.
Barry talks about healing the Planet & Michelle talks about healing our souls.
IT seems like a New Age brew of goblygook, mixed with Marxism,
racial anomosity, and anti Americanism.

If you saw all the gonzo New Age books these people buy all day long at the bookstore where I work it would make it easier to see how they got on some people's wavelengths.

44 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:58:56pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader


Ah ha, tell that to the Mullah who thinks the world is flat

45 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:59:08pm

When I watch a Frank Luntz group, especially of "undecided voters" I am reminded that statistically, half of Americans are below average.

And I prefer the term uninformed voter to undecided voter

46 varmint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:59:18pm

re: #11 didache

i'd know how to do it in after effect. but there's got to be a simpler way.

47 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:59:24pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of course, neither of us is necessarily either, since there's no real "up" for the Earth.

True enuf!

48 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:59:46pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

49 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:59:47pm

re: #36 Charles

That will happen if you have Javascript turned off. Check your browser settings...

I have also seen this lately with Firefox. Which for some reason periodically also will not allow me to type an apostrophe. Rebooting the program seems to fix it.

50 UFO TOFU  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:00:11pm

Thanks Charles, will do.

51 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:00:12pm

What I really think is amazing is we have people from all over the world who found this home away from home, and on the majority of things, we have no problem finding common ground.

I haven't said it for awhile: THANKS CHARLES!

52 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:00:52pm

re: #38 galloping granny

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.


I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?

53 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:03pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

I thinith you are correct.

54 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:11pm

re: #39 A Kiwi Infidel

Doing great - I work with the conservation officers that do the counts: they say the populations in most areas of the Hudson's Bay area are growing and healthy. Good news doesn't travel so fast or so far.

55 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:21pm

re: #51 SusanL

What I really think is amazing is we have people from all over the world who found this home away from home, and on the majority of things, we have no problem finding common ground.

I haven't said it for awhile: THANKS CHARLES!

More than that, we become friends sincerely interested in each other's lives.

56 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:30pm

re: #38 galloping granny

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.

Imagine McCain saying something like that? They media would still be ranting on about it.

57 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:41pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Only 8 days to the shortest day, then its all down hill to summer

Or in our case, eight days until the longest day, then it's all down hill to winter.

58 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:01:51pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

Oh man. Could that be accurate?

59 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:02pm
60 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:03pm

re: #52 opnion

I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?


That sounds like scientology stuff, or, just too much of the wacky backy

61 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:17pm

re: #54 CanadianBacon

I think the issue is less the news traveling and more the willingness to accept it.

62 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:26pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Frank Luntz is dreamy...

63 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:31pm

Taking advantage of an open thread:

Hey Charles:
We just caught Dream Theater on one of their recent tour dates. John Petrucci was playing a flame-thrower, just killing us, but he made it look so easy--a sign of greatness. The boss got us front row VIP tickets, so we got to meet all the guys back stage after the concert.

64 satan sidekick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:41pm

re: #52 opnion


That's even creeprier than Obama causing the oceans to stop rising. Spiritual? You mean like Wright and the Pflegler (sp.) guy? That's really spiritual.

65 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:02:43pm

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

eight days until the longest day

We're invading France again?

66 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:03:15pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

What do they know that we don't yet know?

67 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:03:24pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

Whoa... "Kenyan born?"!

68 varmint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:03:28pm

am listening to the news. kucinich's bill got shot down. they would save a lot of time if they'd just keep the articles of impeachment on the top shelf where he couldn't reach.

69 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:03:58pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

Nah
Hussein Obama does not have to play by the rules made by Wh!te Slave Owners

70 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:04:17pm

re: #52 opnion

I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?

Consider the source.

71 Just Above Average  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:04:24pm

FOX's Brit Hume leading the the Jimbo Johnson story. Is it just me or is Brit Hume really Eyore?

Eyore used the phrase, "Throwing him under the bus"

72 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:04:34pm

re: #44 A Kiwi Infidel

Ah ha, tell that to the Mullah who thinks the world is flat

Thats why the will be able to push all of the Infidels off of the planet.
Calling the 12th Imam

73 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:25pm

re: #54 CanadianBacon


Yes, I had heard. And as you say, some people would prefer to distort completely ignore the twoof to further their own ends.

74 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:26pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

My ex-husband was in the Air Force and my daughter was born in West Germany at Hahn AFB. Her birth certificate states that she is "an American Citizen born abroad".

If she were so inclined, I beleive she would qualify to run as POTUS, right?

I think that someone in power (hello Mr. McCain) needs to insist that Obambi produce proof that he is eligible to be president.

75 Charles[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:44pm
76 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:49pm

re: #60 A Kiwi Infidel

That sounds like scientology stuff, or, just too much of the wacky backy


The really bizzare part is that it was not a letter to the editr , but a regular columnist.

77 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:50pm

re: #71 Just Above Average

FOX's Brit Hume leading the the Jimbo Johnson story. Is it just me or is Brit Hume really Eyore?

Eyore used the phrase, "Throwing him under the bus"

I bow down before Mr. Hume. All Praise due Brit!

78 offendi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:05:57pm

I was stuck in traffic today so I ended up listening to the Loofah Man's radio show. On it he warned fellow talking heads and republicans not to make Michelle Obama an issue in the election, claiming it would turn off independents.

This perplexes me, insofar as she would be First Lady she would be representing this country. Her opinions and views don't matter?

As for Loofah Man's position I recall he has been trying endlessly to get Obama on his program " for the folks". Guess that explains that.

79 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:08pm

re: #52 opnion

I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?

That Lightworker bit is a few days old - might be the Chronicle is just now republishing that opinion piece from a few days back.

I'm not positive re what is going on, but I am positive about this: Barack Hussein Obama has never in his entire life done, said or written the first thing that makes him in any way the moral or intellectual superior of anyone, puts him in any position to teach anyone or, most importantly, qualifies him in any way at all to be the President of the United States of America. That he would even think that he is so qualified is pure hubris. And maybe a good old fashioned case of schizophrenia.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:09pm

re: #75 Charles

Just a li'l test...

Duh Duh Duh ... Duuummm.

81 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:10pm

re: #74 SusanL

My ex-husband was in the Air Force and my daughter was born in West Germany at Hahn AFB. Her birth certificate states that she is "an American Citizen born abroad".

If she were so inclined, I beleive she would qualify to run as POTUS, right?

I think that someone in power (hello Mr. McCain) needs to insist that Obambi produce proof that he is eligible to be president.

Yes.

82 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:23pm

re: #76 opnion

The really bizzare part is that it was not a letter to the editr , but a regular columnist.

It's not bizarre if in San Francisco...

83 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:23pm

re: #75 Charles

Just a li'l test...

Damn
I didn't study

84 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:25pm

re: #61 Athos

I think the issue is less the news traveling and more the willingness to accept it.

'struth.

I work with the locals on the Arctic shores and they say their parents tell stories of previous warm/cold cycles, of times when the bears were like rabbits (big, man-eating rabbits, but you get the picture) and of times when they were scarce. Hell, the old-school Inuk hunted the same animals as the bears and needed the ice to access the seals too - they were pretty good observers of "climate change" and long before it became fashionable.

But what do they know - hell, they even wear FUR.

85 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:31pm

re: #72 opnion

Thats why the will be able to push all of the Infidels off of the planet.
Calling the 12th Imam


So, we have the biggest bus of all. The planet...

86 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:35pm

re: #75 Charles

Just a li'l test...

We're sick of your little "testies"!

Wait, that came out all wrong.

87 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:45pm

re: #75 Charles

Just a li'l test...

Did we pass?

88 stevieray  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:56pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

USAfrica online has an interesting picture on it.

Somebody found that birth certificate.

89 satan sidekick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:56pm

re: #74 SusanL

I was told by some loons today that he doesn;t need to prove where he was born. Not important.

90 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:06:59pm

dude, I seriously Love Brit Hume. Only real newsman out there right now.

91 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:00pm

re: #74 SusanL

My ex-husband was in the Air Force and my daughter was born in West Germany at Hahn AFB. Her birth certificate states that she is "an American Citizen born abroad".

If she were so inclined, I beleive she would qualify to run as POTUS, right?

I think that someone in power (hello Mr. McCain) needs to insist that Obambi produce proof that he is eligible to be president.

Yes because she was born to American citizens in the Military serving abroad. When is she filing?

92 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:02pm

re: #76 opnion

The really bizzare part is that it was not a letter to the editr , but a regular columnist.fruitloop

93 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:12pm

re: #75 Charles

Just a li'l test...

Is a #3 pencil okay?

94 Just Above Average  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:18pm

re: #77 Nevergiveup

Allah Praise?
//

95 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:18pm

Sorry to be so behind the times but what happened to the"report" option?

96 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:18pm

re: #83 LeftJustAintRight

Damn
I didn't study

That's why you need to review every day!

97 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:30pm

re: #56 unrealizedviewpoint

Imagine McCain saying something like that? They media would still be ranting on about it.

Rant? They would insure that the guys in white coats came and hauled him away!

98 tommygum  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:32pm

Hope! Change!

99 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:39pm

re: #67 infidelia

Whoa... "Kenyan born?"!

They will walk that back, but it does make you wonder.

100 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:07:55pm

re: #76 opnion

The really bizzare part is that it was not a letter to the editr , but a regular columnist.

That's pretty much New Ager boilerplate kind of stuff. Next someone will claim he was an Indigo Child.

101 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:24pm

A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on
a tour.

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by
plane.. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his
passport in his carry on.

'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer
asked sarcastically.

Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

'Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.'

The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show
it.'

'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on
arrival in France!'

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he
quietly explained. 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on
D-D ay in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find any
Frenchmen
to show it to.'

102 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:43pm

re: #74 SusanL

My ex-husband was in the Air Force and my daughter was born in West Germany at Hahn AFB. Her birth certificate states that she is "an American Citizen born abroad".

If she were so inclined, I beleive she would qualify to run as POTUS, right?

I think that someone in power (hello Mr. McCain) needs to insist that Obambi produce proof that he is eligible to be president.

I think it would be fun just because i might be so irritating to BHO. Anything to piss him off. Might even be good for his kids to know where daddy really came from

103 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:48pm

re: #95 paint-right

Sorry to be so behind the times but what happened to the"report" option?


The exclamation point is it now

104 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:50pm

Man goes for a ride on an airplane to take pictures, jumps from plane without a parachute while taking pictures of himself.

Video.

105 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:53pm

I had better go.

Catch y'all later

106 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:08:54pm

From the media bias file, the Senate Republican's attempt to open the outer shelf to oil exploration was shot down today by Democrats in committee. Neither CNN nor MSNBC bothered to report this on either their web home pages or business pages (FOX did).

But MSNBC did have this pearl of unbiased "journalism" via the AP:

WASHINGTON - Saved by Senate Republicans, big oil companies dodged an attempt Tuesday to slap them with a windfall profits tax and take away billions of dollars in tax breaks in response to the record gasoline prices that have the nation fuming.

GOP senators shoved aside the Democratic proposal, arguing that punishing Big Oil won’t do a thing to lower the $4-a-gallon-price of gasoline that is sending economic waves across the country. High prices at the pump are threatening everything from summer vacations to Meals on Wheels deliveries to the elderly.

The Democratic energy package would have imposed a 25 percent tax on any “unreasonable” profits of the five largest U.S. oil companies, which together made $36 billion during the first three months of the year. It also would have given the government more power to address oil market speculation, opened the way for antitrust actions against countries belonging to the OPEC oil cartel, and made energy price gouging a federal crime.

107 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:09:01pm

re: #95 paint-right

Sorry to be so behind the times but what happened to the"report" option?

it's now the exclamation point icon.

108 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:09:06pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Duh Duh Duh ... Duuummm.

Yeah, I got a sinister vibe from that too... planning some dexterous tricks, Charles?

109 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:09:30pm

re: #78 offendi

I was stuck in traffic today so I ended up listening to the Loofah Man's radio show. On it he warned fellow talking heads and republicans not to make Michelle Obama an issue in the election, claiming it would turn off independents.

This perplexes me, insofar as she would be First Lady she would be representing this country. Her opinions and views don't matter?

As for Loofah Man's position I recall he has been trying endlessly to get Obama on his program " for the folks". Guess that explains that.

The Obama campaign had been pushing this for some while now. More recently they have given Michelle O her very own campaign staff just like hubby's. I suspect to try to keep her mouth shut. First Lady material the gal is not.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:03pm

re: #78 offendi

I like O'Reilly. Think he's pretty straight. Know that's not popular here, but it's the truth.

I agreen with him on this issue. Leave Mrs. O and Mrs. M out of it. Let the two slug it out without racist crap to muddy the picture any more than it is muddled.

She'll say a few more stupid things. But, don't give the independents reasons to run away from McCain in search of higher ground.

111 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:06pm

re: #79 galloping granny

That Lightworker bit is a few days old - might be the Chronicle is just now republishing that opinion piece from a few days back.

I'm not positive re what is going on, but I am positive about this: Barack Hussein Obama has never in his entire life done, said or written the first thing that makes him in any way the moral or intellectual superior of anyone, puts him in any position to teach anyone or, most importantly, qualifies him in any way at all to be the President of the United States of America. That he would even think that he is so qualified is pure hubris. And maybe a good old fashioned case of schizophrenia.

Would a celestial being vist Earth & Hook up with Reverend Wright?

112 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:08pm

re: #95 paint-right

Sorry to be so behind the times but what happened to the"report" option?

Gone. Nobody ever says anything in need of reporting anymore.

113 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:14pm

re: #95 paint-right

Sorry to be so behind the times but what happened to the"report" option?

That is the exclamation point next to the heart now.

114 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:19pm

re: #109 galloping granny

The Obama campaign had been pushing this for some while now. More recently they have given Michelle O her very own campaign staff just like hubby's. I suspect to try to keep her mouth shut. First Lady material the gal is not.

First, she has to be a lady...

115 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:32pm

re: #52 opnion

I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?

I'm an "SP" - a suppressive person. One who criticizes Scientology.

116 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:55pm

re: #91 Nevergiveup

She isn't old enough, only 26. She would never pass muster with either side. Too independent, she thinks they are all crooks. But, she won't vote for Obama, she thinks he is crazy.

117 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:10:59pm

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

First, she has to be a lady...

Amen.

118 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:11:10pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Man goes for a ride on an airplane to take pictures, jumps from plane without a parachute while taking pictures of himself.

Video.

Shit, I hope he wasn't a registered Republican?

119 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:11:19pm

re: #111 opnion

Would a celestial being vist Earth & Hook up with Reverend Wright?

Perhaps. But if a celestial being visited earth and hooked up with Wright, I would know for sure that it was the wrong kind of celestial being and one that I wanted nothing to do with.

"By their fruit you will know them."

120 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:11:22pm

re: #68 varmint

am listening to the news. kucinich's bill got shot down. they would save a lot of time if they'd just keep the articles of impeachment on the top shelf where he couldn't reach.

Someone would only get a ladder for him and show him how to use it.

121 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:11:34pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

Less Frank Lutz, more Lionel Hutz.

122 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:11:48pm

re: #116 SusanL

She isn't old enough, only 26. She would never pass muster with either side. Too independent, she thinks they are all crooks. But, she won't vote for Obama, she thinks he is crazy.

As do all of my daughters - youngest is about the same age.

123 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:01pm

Man, you guys are a bunch of Chatty Cathies. Watching LGF Spy is like sitting in the Lounge.

124 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:02pm

Dems say NO to drilling for oil.

"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session"

You are kidding yourself if you think I would vote for a Democrat. Can somebody tell what is wrong with these people?

125 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:03pm

A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French
Navies.

At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large
group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries.
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks
but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn
many languages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why
is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather
Than speaking French?'

Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, 'Maybe it's
because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arrange d it so you
wouldn't have to speak German.'

126 Shaky Louie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:13pm

Barry Bites Own Ass!

Politicians deploy righteous indignation like college students use credit cards—to excess and with abandon...And that outrage came back to haunt Barack Obama Wednesday when Jim Johnson, the man running his vice presidential search team, stepped down...


Obama, Superstar?
What are you,
who do you think you are?

127 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:26pm

re: #111 opnion

Would a celestial being vist Earth & Hook up with Reverend Wright?

Depends on how weird the home planet is.

Ride is here, got to run!

128 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:29pm

re: #103 LeftJustAintRight

Thank you!

I saw somehting at work this am and I thought it smacked of something that could be critized by "visitors" but i wasn't sure.

i may reread and report it yet.

129 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:32pm

re: #97 galloping granny

Rant? They would insure that the guys in white coats came and hauled him away!

It should be just so easy to beat this guy. Just repeat his words aloud again for all to hear. Make 'em listen this time.

130 Quentin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:34pm

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.

Personally, I still like John Edwards's "We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases...When John Kerry is president, people like Chris Reeve are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

131 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:41pm

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

so am i. Used to Campaign on the Internet against it, under a different name. I hate that $h*t

132 tigerwoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:42pm

I am so buying one of these!

Bumper Sticker

133 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:12:58pm

re: #109 galloping granny

The Obama campaign had been pushing this for some while now. More recently they have given Michelle O her very own campaign staff just like hubby's. I suspect to try to keep her mouth shut. First Lady material the gal is not.

They both have another thing in common. Neither likes to show up for work.
He avoids the Senate & she avoids her job at the University of Chicago Medical Center.

134 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:13:14pm

re: #130 Quentin

Get your snake oil here...

135 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:13:16pm

re: #112 unrealizedviewpoint

Gone. Nobody ever says anything in need of reporting anymore.

LOL

136 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:13:22pm

re: #52 opnion

I have to agree with that. A Columnist writing today in the San Francisco Chronicle opined that Obama is a 'Light Worker"
He is a spirtual being that is not really one of us & will teach the world a new way of life!
What is going on?

Perhaps they were referring to the community organizing gig and meant to spell it...

"Lite worker"

137 Dalibama  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:13:34pm

I heart Obama's blog. This one is a little different from what we have been reading there. I guess you could call it love speech.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/sepu yasepuya/gG5gx5


The messiah is here "now or never"

The Messiah is here, it is time to awaken or never. Thank Thnak you Obama and the entire team. Be informed the thrilling hopes you are sending in peoples minds. At the blink of the world hope has arisen. the Messiah has come. it is up to the world to reject Him or accept Him...

138 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:02pm

re: #25 opnion

Anybody find the Obamas as creepy as I do? Never mind rhetorical question.
Barry talks about healing the Planet & Michelle talks about healing our souls.
IT seems like a New Age brew of goblygook, mixed with Marxism,
racial anomosity, and anti Americanism.

they are a tag team.
michelle sets it up as the existing world is broken, mean and nasty.
b.o. is the one to fix it all as the messiah.
it's the old we can bring you heaven on earth( hoax.)
and you're right it is creepy. especially from these typical leftist commies

139 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:15pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Man goes for a ride on an airplane to take pictures, jumps from plane without a parachute while taking pictures of himself.

Video.

What do you think about while you're free falling 7000 feet?
Plenty of time to second guess your actions.

140 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:21pm

Hewitt is going after BHO right now.

141 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:22pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like O'Reilly. Think he's pretty straight. Know that's not popular here, but it's the truth.

I agreen with him on this issue. Leave Mrs. O and Mrs. M out of it. Let the two slug it out without racist crap to muddy the picture any more than it is muddled.

She'll say a few more stupid things. But, don't give the independents reasons to run away from McCain in search of higher ground.

I don't think a comparison of the two wives are in order. I do think that when either of them opens her mouth, then whatever she says - good, bad, indifferent - is fair game. She is running for First Lady every bit as much as her husband is interviewing for the highest office in the land.

142 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:24pm

re: #123 Noam Sayin'

Man, you guys are a bunch of Chatty Cathies. Watching LGF Spy is like sitting in the Lounge.


You are seriously dating yourself Noam!

143 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:37pm

re: #132 tigerwoman

I am so buying one of these!

Bumper Sticker

I'll take 3 ,, and make a T-Shirt, lawn sign, and flag with it too

144 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:57pm

If Hussein Obama is Kenyan born

Does that make him illegal ?
An illegal alien beat Hillary in the primary and still may be POTUS ?
Hahahahaha
Maybe that is the Karma I have hoped caught up with the Libs

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:59pm

Ok kids, gotta run. Hey, hope I meet Wolfie tonight. Baseball game. (mr.s' gonna be there too, so no cracks)!

146 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:01pm

re: #116 SusanL

She isn't old enough, only 26. She would never pass muster with either side. Too independent, she thinks they are all crooks. But, she won't vote for Obama, she thinks he is crazy.

My daughters are 21 and 18. Both are appalled that Obama is even being considered. They will both be voting for McCain. Makes me proud.

147 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:12pm

re: #119 galloping granny

Perhaps. But if a celestial being visited earth and hooked up with Wright, I would know for sure that it was the wrong kind of celestial being and one that I wanted nothing to do with.

"By their fruit you will know them."

Maybe he was just trying to mentor Wright & show him the error of his ways.
Kidding

148 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:47pm

re: #139 jorline

never would i go there.

149 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:47pm

re: #30 UFO TOFU

Anyone have any idea what's wrong with my computer? When I hit "new comments" it refreshes to the top of the page. "Reply", "quote" or up-ding take me the home page. The format and "preview" buttons are inoperative. It's probably my machine and not LGF, but it becomes tedious to keep up with comments.

From my experience you are running Windows Mobile 5 and IE Mobile.

/That's what happens when I'm reading on my phone.

150 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:27pm

re: #130 Quentin

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.

Personally, I still like John Edwards's "We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases...When John Kerry is president, people like Chris Reeve are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

These Democrats are indeed wonderous beings

151 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:31pm

re: #139 jorline

What do you think about while you're free falling 7000 feet?
Plenty of time to second guess your actions.

It'd sound like this:

"Aaaahhh aaahhh aaahhh..."

152 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:48pm

re: #130 Quentin

Obama's comment re his ability to heal the oceans is the single spookiest thing I have heard from anyone in my lifetime. Not to mention the most blasphemous.

Personally, I still like John Edwards's "We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and other debilitating diseases...When John Kerry is president, people like Chris Reeve are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

Excellent 2nd post. Welcome!
Use the quote button next time, and pick up your shells.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:17:13pm

re: #139 jorline

What do you think about while you're free falling 7000 feet?
Plenty of time to second guess your actions.

Something like...

"Hey. Did I leave the iron on?"

154 tommygum  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:17:29pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

Man goes for a ride on an airplane to take pictures, jumps from plane without a parachute while taking pictures of himself.

Video.

And the winner of the Darwin Award is...

155 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:17:40pm

re: #151 CanadianBacon

It'd sound like this:

"Aaaahhh aaahhh aaahhh..."

Or, for the relentless optimist: "So far, so good!".

156 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:17:58pm

re: #142 SusanL

You are seriously dating yourself Noam!

No one else will.

Had to get that one in before Sage took it.

Seriously, though. My mom started collecting them when I was a kid. She fixed them up, got the eyes working and got them talking again. She even made outfits for them. She had a whole room full of dolls.

All of them, staring at ya...

157 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:01pm

re: #137 Dalibama

I heart Obama's blog. This one is a little different from what we have been reading there. I guess you could call it love speech.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/sepuyasepuya/gG5gx5

This is exactly the kind of blasphemous crap that I mean.

158 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:29pm

re: #112 unrealizedviewpoint

Gone. Nobody ever says anything in need of reporting anymore.

Because the lightworker has come.

Didn't you know? This is an Obama blog now...

/

159 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:31pm

re: #154 tommygum

And the winner of the Darwin Award is...

He's not the winner yet, but he's way out front.

160 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:36pm

re: #88 stevieray

Somebody found that birth certificate.

Maybe the Kenyans have one...

161 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:37pm

re: #139 jorline

What do you think about while you're free falling 7000 feet?
Plenty of time to second guess your actions.

things you are NOT thinking about

"I wonder if I locked my keys in my car"
"Did I leave the stove on"
"I'm sure glad I programmed the DVD recorder for tonights game"

162 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:08pm

re: #160 coquimbojoe

Maybe the Kenyans have one...

I hope so

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:11pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Beat ya!

164 offendi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:25pm

re: #109 galloping granny

The Obama campaign had been pushing this for some while now. More recently they have given Michelle O her very own campaign staff just like hubby's. I suspect to try to keep her mouth shut. First Lady material the gal is not.

People reference the 20 years Obama spent in Wright's pews hearing Wright's "ideas" and doubt they did not influence him or that he may have shared them. It seems to me that being married to a person is even more intimate and shows shared values in addition to the commitment. So I would think Michelle's comments and views are totally relevant to who Obama himself is. He does have a sparse public record so far.

165 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:31pm

re: #144 LeftJustAintRight

If Hussein Obama is Kenyan born

Does that make him illegal ?
An illegal alien beat Hillary in the primary and still may be POTUS ?
Hahahahaha
Maybe that is the Karma I have hoped caught up with the Libs

I had a buch of comments run through my (very tiny) mind when i saw this. Discarded all of them. Heh. I hate that guy. Hes smarmy. Seriously does remind me of the worst of the Scientology stuff
and scientology gets my back up. That stuff is Ridiculous. And kills people Ruins lives Impoverishes...
Wait are we talking about Clams or Dems?

166 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:34pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

Or, for the relentless optimist: "So far, so good!".

I'm an engineer: the pessimist says the glass is half empty, the optimist says half full, and the engineer says it's twice as big as it needs to be.

167 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:19:35pm

Should we start thinking about nominees for the Fiskie Award, or has BHO pretty much run away with it by now?

168 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:03pm

re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Beat ya!

sure ,, you only typed ONE ,, I made it a SERIES !

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:12pm

re: #167 Noam Sayin'

Should we start thinking about nominees for the Fiskie Award, or has BHO pretty much run away with it by now?

The only landslide he's looking at.

170 tommygum  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:21pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like O'Reilly. Think he's pretty straight. Know that's not popular here, but it's the truth.

I agreen with him on this issue. Leave Mrs. O and Mrs. M out of it. Let the two slug it out without racist crap to muddy the picture any more than it is muddled.

She'll say a few more stupid things. But, don't give the independents reasons to run away from McCain in search of higher ground.

I wonder how many votes Theresa cost LT for life Kerry. We'll take all the help we can get.

171 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:36pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Something like...

"Hey. Did I leave the iron on?"

The report said he rode a bicycle to the airport...to bad it wasn't Barry's with the flat rear tire, maybe he would have missed the flight.

172 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:38pm

re: #154 tommygum

And the winner of the Darwin Award is...

Make ya feel pretty good about yourself. You know, SMART

173 Charles[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:43pm
174 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:06pm

Here's a good one...
Steve Kelley draws the only sane part of our local paper.

175 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:08pm

re: #156 Noam Sayin'

No one else will.

Had to get that one in before Sage took it.

Seriously, though. My mom started collecting them when I was a kid. She fixed them up, got the eyes working and got them talking again. She even made outfits for them. She had a whole room full of dolls.

All of them, staring at ya...

The predecessors to "Chucky" perhaps?

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:08pm

re: #170 tommygum

I wonder how many votes Theresa cost LT for life Kerry. We'll take all the help we can get.

The point is, that'll happen without all the good guys jumping on.

177 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:19pm

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only landslide he's looking at.

That's what I'm thinking. Who could possibly be a bigger Idiotarian?

Maybe Kucinich.

178 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:20pm

re: #165 Karagush

I had a buch of comments run through my (very tiny) mind when i saw this. Discarded all of them. Heh. I hate that guy. Hes smarmy. Seriously does remind me of the worst of the Scientology stuff
and scientology gets my back up. That stuff is Ridiculous. And kills people Ruins lives Impoverishes...
Wait are we talking about Clams or Dems?

Damn Dems
LOL

179 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:20pm
180 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:29pm

re: #173 Charles

I'm a testin' fool...

and a dancin' machine !

181 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:32pm

Koskid?

Question #1 - Citizenship
By Mark from Ames, IA - Aug 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pm EDT

Why should anybody have a moral right to citizenship in any country? I was born here, but why does that give me more of a right to citizenship than somebody born elsewhere? Why should I have a right to citizenship because I was born here, but (as some suggest) people born here to non-citizens should have no such right? Why should some freeloader who has never done a lick of constructive work here, but was born here, have more of a right to citizenship than somebody who came here illegally but has worked his tail off for 10 years and been a contributing member of society? Shouldn't citizenship be earned by everyone?

Huh?

182 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:54pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

things you are NOT thinking about

"I wonder if I locked my keys in my car"
"Did I leave the stove on"
"I'm sure glad I programmed the DVD recorder for tonights game"

You probably want a redo with a chute

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:22:15pm

re: #173 Charles

I'm a testin' fool...

184 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:22:24pm

hmmm,, Charles deleted hisself !

185 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:22:35pm

Wow, Charles has been deleted twice so far on this thread.
The monitors must be drunk with power.

186 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:22:42pm

Who keeps reporting Charles to Stinky?

187 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:23:27pm

re: #186 unrealizedviewpoint

Who keeps reporting Charles to Stinky?

Who monitors the monitors?

188 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:23:39pm

re: #175 SusanL

The predecessors to "Chucky" perhaps?

Come to think of it. One of them did turn out a little wicked.

That's when we got her started on quilting.

189 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:23:54pm

Hussein Obama's birth certificate is the October Surprise
LOL
Hahahahaha
That is why Hillary is keeping her delegates

190 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:23:54pm

Later folks, I have to get back to work. Everyone play nice and be safe!

Susan

191 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:00pm

re: #185 DesertSage

Wow, Charles has been deleted twice so far on this thread.
The monitors must be drunk with power.

Next they go to ply their skills at the Kos, Huffpo, and BO sites.

Redact that.

192 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:12pm

re: #187 goddessoftheclassroom

Same guy who vets the vetters.

193 Charles[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:14pm
194 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:54pm

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

Obama's base at work.

195 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:55pm

re: #193 Charles

I'm out of control!

As long as you're having fun. And not on your bike.

196 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:55pm

re: #164 offendi

People reference the 20 years Obama spent in Wright's pews hearing Wright's "ideas" and doubt they did not influence him or that he may have shared them. It seems to me that being married to a person is even more intimate and shows shared values in addition to the commitment. So I would think Michelle's comments and views are totally relevant to who Obama himself is. He does have a sparse public record so far.

The thing that bothers me the very most about his public record is not the length of it, but the fact that if you go and look at his voting record there are entire categories of issues - abortion and health care are two of them - where he has never in the entire time that he has been in the Senate cast either a yea or a nay, voting "present" or not voting at all every single time. That reads to me like a deliberate and willful effort to hide and obfuscate what he believes on issues that much of the voting public considers among the most important facing our nation.

197 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:57pm

re: #192 rightwinger3

Same guy who vets the vetters.

Nice!

198 yesandno  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:03pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

What I don't understand is why anyone pays attention to Zogby anymore. They are often off quite a bit...caused by bias questions to my way of thinking.

199 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:09pm

re: #193 Charles

I'm out of control!

There are those on the left who are certain that is true.

Keep after them Charles.

200 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:26pm

re: #189 LeftJustAintRight

Hussein Obama's birth certificate is the October Surprise
LOL
Hahahahaha
That is why Hillary is keeping her delegates


If it is true she couild have a surrogate spring it just before Denver & throw open the convention. Who would win? Let me think

201 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:27pm

re: #185 DesertSage

Wow, Charles has been deleted twice so far on this thread.
The monitors must be drunk with power.

That is the new Obama Web Master showing Charles who is boss
The hacked LGF and are taking over

202 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:28pm

re: #193 Charles

I'm out of control!

Everybody get someplace safe. Apparently Charles has been into the hard liquor.

203 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:30pm

re: #184 sattv4u2

hmmm,, Charles deleted hisself !

We don't notice such things...
/
He said he was testing something.

204 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:52pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

And that's why if he had any brain he wouldn't be fighting against the release of his birth certificate.

205 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:02pm

At the pace that Obama is going with throwing so many under the bus...doesn't it bother anyone on the left that sooner or later he will toss them under the bus as well?

206 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:18pm

re: #189 LeftJustAintRight

Hussein Obama's birth certificate is the October Surprise
LOL
Hahahahaha
That is why Hillary is keeping her delegates

Gawww Dayum AmeriKKKa!

207 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:41pm

re: #203 jcm

We don't notice such things...
/
He said he was testing something.

An auto delete function. Post a comment with flagged word or phrase and bang deleted before it's even seen.

208 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:48pm

re: #184 sattv4u2

hmmm,, Charles deleted hisself !

Song for that.

209 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:51pm

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

Koskid?

Question #1 - Citizenship
By Mark from Ames, IA - Aug 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pm EDT

Huh?

That reads exactly like many of the excuses put forth in past decades to keep women & blacks from voting.

210 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:04pm

re: #193 Charles

I'm out of control!

It's OK Charles...stop beating yourself up...you're amongst friends who care about you.

211 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:41pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

Gawww Dayum AmeriKKKa!


Obams chickensss, comin home to roost!

212 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:48pm

re: #193 Charles

I'm out of control!

I wish I could be out of control -- I'm married!

Is the Spy on the regular menu, yet?

213 SusanL  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:58pm

re: #206 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe that is what Clinton is counting on for Denver. Quietly show them he is ineligible and walk away with the nomination? She's sneaky enough.

OK, for real, back to work.

Susan

214 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:00pm

re: #201 LeftJustAintRight

That is the new Obama Web Master showing Charles who is boss
The hacked LGF and are taking over

LMAO

215 Clemente  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:15pm

Careful, Charles!

Please don't get yourself banned.

We'd miss ya 'round here...

216 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:16pm

Charles ... I got a screenshot of #173! ... hahaha!

(Uh oh, why is this enormous lizard claw coming out of my computer? ARRRGH!)

217 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:26pm

re: #211 opnion

Obams chickensss, comin home to roost!

After they been riding dirty under the bus

218 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:36pm

re: #177 Noam Sayin'

That's what I'm thinking. Who could possibly be a bigger Idiotarian?

Maybe Kucinich.

I respect Kucinich. At least he believes his rhetoric unlike most dem politicos who are in it for them, freak the masses.

219 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:55pm

Ok what bothers me about Obama is the naked LIES he tells. That and the ridiculous spin, and the unbelievable promises he makes, the way he says one thing one day and another the next. And how the people who follow him are so gullible as to eat it up. I really sit there shaking my head in disbelif and wonder.

Its like the whole Xenu thing. COME ON if the same person went to a movie nd saw this they would complain the plot was crap. BUT NOOO they pay thousands of dollars to hear that crap then expect everyone else to take it seriously, and when we dont get hostile and call us names... Un Freaking Believable.

220 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:11pm

re: #185 DesertSage

Wow, Charles has been deleted twice so far on this thread.
The monitors must be drunk with power.

Really? I wonder if he's putting in a self-delete feature.
I forsee a test thread with a whole lot of nothin'.

221 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:50pm

re: #195 CanadianBacon

As long as you're having fun. And not on your bike.

Don't quote Charles, he might have to delete you too!

222 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:05pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

That implies a constitutional problem I thinith?

Um, yes that would be a very large problem for Obama.

223 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:22pm

re: #221 nikis-knight

Don't quote Charles, he might have to delete you too!

* FILE NOT FOUND *

224 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:45pm

re: #207 jcm

An auto delete function. Post a comment with flagged word or phrase and bang deleted before it's even seen.

re: #220 nikis-knight

Really? I wonder if he's putting in a self-delete feature.
I forsee a test thread with a whole lot of nothin'.

GMTA!

225 jemima  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:54pm

If it doesn't matter where Barry was born, then Arnold can run for Prez next time. Yea!

226 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:56pm

re: #223 CanadianBacon

* FILE NOT FOUND *

* LIZARD NOT FOUND *

227 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:01pm

I wonder if Charles is deleting from his Cell Phone? THAT would be handy!

228 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:05pm

re: #220 nikis-knight

Really? I wonder if he's putting in a self-delete banned feature.
I forsee a test thread with a whole lot of nothin'.

Faster death than a 7000 ft free fall.

229 RTLM  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:21pm

Real unicorn found in Italy
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

230 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:30pm

re: #225 jemima

Ugh.

Wouldn't get my vote.

231 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:38pm

re: #202 Noam Sayin'

Noam, realwest sent me the video of you taking your motorcycle license driving test. You did pretty good.

232 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:52pm

re: #219 Karagush

Ok what bothers me about Obama is the naked LIES he tells. That and the ridiculous spin, and the unbelievable promises he makes, the way he says one thing one day and another the next. And how the people who follow him are so gullible as to eat it up. I really sit there shaking my head in disbelif and wonder.

Its like the whole Xenu thing. COME ON if the same person went to a movie nd saw this they would complain the plot was crap. BUT NOOO they pay thousands of dollars to hear that crap then expect everyone else to take it seriously, and when we dont get hostile and call us names... Un Freaking Believable.


The Twilight Zone
Obama is already acting like he is POTUS
He sent a memo to the Sec Def and expects an answer

233 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:32:00pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

* LIZARD NOT FOUND *

ROOM UNDER THE BUS NOT FOUND,,, GETTA NEW BUS

234 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:32:11pm

re: #225 jemima

If it doesn't matter where Barry was born, then Arnold can run for Prez next time. Yea!

bite your tongue

235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:32:13pm

re: #229 RTLM

Real unicorn found in Italy
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Another Obama miracle! Free unicorns for everyone!

236 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:32:23pm

re: #227 right_on_target

I wonder if Charles is deleting from his Cell Phone? THAT would be handy!

He doesn't have a cell phone. At least he says he doesn't.

237 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:32:52pm

re: #219 Karagush

Ok what bothers me about Obama is the naked LIES he tells. That and the ridiculous spin, and the unbelievable promises he makes, the way he says one thing one day and another the next. And how the people who follow him are so gullible as to eat it up. I really sit there shaking my head in disbelif and wonder.

Its like the whole Xenu thing. COME ON if the same person went to a movie nd saw this they would complain the plot was crap. BUT NOOO they pay thousands of dollars to hear that crap then expect everyone else to take it seriously, and when we dont get hostile and call us names... Un Freaking Believable.

One thing you cannot help but notice about Obama and his lies is that he is used to lying, so much that he almost believes that whatever he says today is "truth." He'll deny he said something different yesterday even as the tape of him saying it is being played back to him. Chronic liars are dangerous.

238 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:06pm

re: #224 jcm

Actually, not. I meant a way for lizards to delete their own comments, volitionally. (probably excluding comments already replyed to) Different use of the word auto, though, would describe them both.

P.S. What does GMTA mean?

239 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:08pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

That may change soon after July 11...

240 yesandno  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:34pm

re: #225 jemima

If it doesn't matter where Barry was born, then Arnold can run for Prez next time. Yea!

Whatever might happen to Obama, he still was born to an American mother. Arnold will never be a natural born citizen. And seeing how he is jumping on everything liberal these days, I am just as happy he cannot run.

241 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:37pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

well it is a good time to go get a beer

242 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:40pm

re: #229 RTLM

c'hai le corne !

/my bad

243 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:41pm

re: #238 nikis-knight

Actually, not. I meant a way for lizards to delete their own comments, volitionally. (probably excluding comments already replyed to) Different use of the word auto, though, would describe them both.

P.S. What does GMTA mean?

Great Minds Think Alike.

244 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:54pm

re: #238 nikis-knight

great minds think alike

245 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:23pm

re: #232 LeftJustAintRight

you $h*t me not?
Please say you are pulling my leg... THis guy is way weriod.
And really have you noticed how Dems and Clams are kinda similar? If i was braver i would go further in exploring the subject, but that was my intemperate youth...

246 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:25pm

re: #232 LeftJustAintRight

The Twilight Zone
Obama is already acting like he is POTUS
He sent a memo to the Sec Def and expects an answer

And he is already conducting business with foreign governments - which is, after all, against the law.

247 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:46pm

re: #227 right_on_target

I wonder if Charles is deleting from his Cell Phone? THAT would be handy!

New I-Phone feature?

248 paint-right  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:53pm

re: #242 paint-right

c'hai le corne !

/my bad

famous italian insult to men

249 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:55pm

If you can't tolerate another post about Ben Stein's Expelled, skip this post.

I'm reading a fascinating book called The Immortalists and quite unexpectedly came across something relevant to the the controversial movie.

Nobel prize in medicine winner Alexis Carrel and aviator Charles Lindbergh teamed up to develop a sort of artificial heart. They believed that through science they could lengthen human life and eventually achieve immortality.

Both were attracted to eugenics as the application of evolution. Lindbergh was enthralled by the industrial and scientific achievements of Germany.

When Germany attacked France, Carrel (a Frenchman) had a change of heart. Lindbergh became a leader of the "America First" movement.

After the war, Lindbergh saw first hand evidence of the Nazi's use of slave labor in their V2 rocket program.

Several years later, he repented for what he had done. In the book he wrote, he said that when men worship science it leads to evil. The Nazis believed they were simply obeying nature's laws. (In fact, this was an idea that Carrel championed earlier.)

The Immortalists by David M. Friedman was published last year.

Obviously, there is much more to the story. It wasn't until the death camps were discovered that eugenics was finally discredited.

250 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:09pm

re: #225 jemima

If it doesn't matter where Barry was born, then Arnold can run for Prez next time. Yea!

What in the world lead you to believe that the rules are applied evenly between Dems & Rep?

251 soccerdad  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:13pm

Some German paper has made a HUGE BHO gaffe --

ONKLE Barack's Hutte

But since they are all lefties in Germany, they are completely given a pass. I only found the link by following another Drudge link about 'Bush's Regret'

For those who don't speak German, superimposed over a picture of the White House, it says: "Uncle Barack's Cabin".

Imagine the outrage if some conservative paper had doen that.

252 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:17pm

re: #243 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #244 bulwrk

ah, makes sense. Been awhile since I read the LGF dictionary.

253 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:26pm

re: #232 LeftJustAintRight

The Twilight Zone
Obama is already acting like he is POTUS
He sent a memo to the Sec Def and expects an answer

Further evidence of Obama's Narcissistic Personality Disorder...

254 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:03pm

re: #232 LeftJustAintRight

He sent a memo to the Sec Def and expects an answer

Sort of like when Jimmy Carter was outraged that President Bush was "breaking my [Jimmy's] promises to the Palestinians". Uh, Jimmy... you're not the President any more... remember?

255 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:08pm

re: #249 Abu Boo Boo

I'm amazed that you're still trying to defend that ridiculous viewpoint.

256 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:11pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

ROOM UNDER THE BUS NOT FOUND,,, GETTA NEW BUS

He got an extension.

257 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:19pm

re: #238 nikis-knight

Actually, not. I meant a way for lizards to delete their own comments, volitionally. (probably excluding comments already replyed to) Different use of the word auto, though, would describe them both.

P.S. What does GMTA mean?

Great Minds Think Alike.

I don't like a delete button for us to deleted our own. Some of the best stuff comes from goofs, typos and other "mistakes." We can't have lizards deleting they're own unintentional gems can we?
;-P

258 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:29pm

re: #253 Kenneth

Further evidence of Obama's Narcissistic Messianic Personality Disorder...


fixed

259 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:38pm

re: #240 yesandno

Whatever might happen to Obama, he still was born to an American mother. Arnold will never be a natural born citizen. And seeing how he is jumping on everything liberal these days, I am just as happy he cannot run.

True, but Obama would still need a Consular Report of Birth, and I'm beginning to wonder if his mom or him ever bothered with that important bit of paperwork. Until a person has that piece of paper, he or she is NOT legally a natural-born American citizen.

(I know a bit about this because my Lizard in Training was born in England.)

260 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:37:44pm

re: #241 yochanan

well it is a good time to go get a beer

Try Obama Beer.

Don't drink too many...you will wake up underneath a bus.

261 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:12pm

re: #259 goddessoftheclassroom

True, but Obama would still need a Consular Report of Birth, and I'm beginning to wonder if his mom or him ever bothered with that important bit of paperwork. Until a person has that piece of paper, he or she is NOT legally a natural-born American citizen.

(I know a bit about this because my Lizard in Training was born in England.)

And goddess is absolutely correct about that Consular Report of Birth - I had a daughter in Germany not long after Obama was born.

262 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:19pm

re: #245 Karagush
I am looking for it now

263 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:24pm

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Try Obama Beer.

Don't drink too many...you will wake up underneath a bus.

I'll bet it's a light beer

264 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:33pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

ROOM UNDER THE BUS NOT FOUND,,, GETTA NEW BUS

There is no room at the bus.

265 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:39pm

re: #100 infidelia

That's pretty much New Ager boilerplate kind of stuff. Next someone will claim he was an Indigo Child.

Actually they have, it was posted a couple days ago. The Indigo Children endorsed him as one of theirs.

266 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:51pm

re: #240 yesandno

Whatever might happen to Obama, he still was born to an American mother. Arnold will never be a natural born citizen. And seeing how he is jumping on everything liberal these days, I am just as happy he cannot run.

Serving California with the necessity of having to deal with the California Legislature has changed Arnie drastically. He is not the republican I knew.

/line borrow from Barry

267 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:52pm

re: #220 nikis-knight

Really? I wonder if he's putting in a self-delete feature.
I forsee a test thread with a whole lot of nothin'.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
-Omar Khayyám

268 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:57pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

I'll bet it's a light beer

With a nutty aftertaste.

269 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:13pm

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

He got an extension.

Nope, he got an upgrade.

270 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:17pm

LGF Spy is the shiznit! Seriously fun to watch.

271 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:32pm

re: #225 jemima

If it doesn't matter where Barry was born, then Arnold can run for Prez next time. Yea!

Lets not stop there. Ahmandinjad 1012!

272 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:37pm

is this a PAT PUKEANAN free zone?

273 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:44pm

re: #249 Abu Boo Boo

if lindbergh was wrong about eugenics(and he was)he was probably wrong about his other conclusions.The guy was a hell of a pilot,but i wouldn't take his advise on anything outside that field.

274 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:48pm

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

He got an extension.

He got an extension on the extension!

275 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:57pm

re: #262 LeftJustAintRight

thank you. Its like seeing someone get hit by a car... its sickening but you cant turn away, and if you are decent you want to run do something to help or stop the tragedy...

276 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:13pm

re: #274 jcm

He got an extension on the extension!

Yikes!

277 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:15pm

re: #257 jcm

I don't like a delete button for us to deleted our own. Some of the best stuff comes from goofs, typos and other "mistakes." We can't have lizards deleting they're own unintentional gems can we?
;-P

And that's just what uneducated me noticed.
Goddess, have at it.
(-:
*duck and run*

278 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:19pm

re: #272 yochanan

is this a PAT PUKEANAN free zone?

So far - hope you haven't opened that door.

279 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:28pm

re: #205 Athos

At the pace that Obama is going with throwing so many under the bus...doesn't it bother anyone on the left that sooner or later he will toss them under the bus as well?

it is remarkable how many people and organizations he has flung up under there. he is a weak person. he won't fight for anyone or anything for too long. and he is a bad judge of character to affiliate w/ so much "rubbish" that must be disposed of.
i was thinking how he himself was thrown under the bus by his own mother. he was the first casualty of the desertion tactic he now so easily uses.
it's kind of pathetic.
and that statement abt, " being punished w/ a child" regarding his daughter, goes right along w/ his inability to make real bonds w/ people.
look for more casualties. i bet those around him are worrying.

280 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:58pm

re: #277 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And that's just what uneducated me noticed.
Goddess, have at it.
(-:
*duck and run*

Where's my delete button!

281 see bs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:07pm

I Heart LGF SPY! Thank you Charles for adding this function!

282 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:12pm

re: #272 yochanan

God, i hope so.

283 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:51pm

Now if only there were an option to make LGF Spy scroll from the bottom up (like the lounge) instead of the top down...

Yeah, I know. We lizards are never satisfied! :-)

284 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:52pm

re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint

I respect Kucinich. At least he believes his rhetoric unlike most dem politicos who are in it for them, freak the masses.

No offense, but wouldn't that make him a bigger idiot?

#231 DesertSage

Oh, my! That's hysterical. I didn't even know Realwest had video of my test.

285 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:42:34pm

re: #277 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And that's just what uneducated me noticed.
Goddess, have at it.
(-:
*duck and run*

I suffer from brain finger dissynciation! Brain and fingers operate independently.
Yeah, that's the ticket.

286 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:43:47pm

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

doing a chimay ale right now

287 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:44:16pm

I'm just waiting for the reports of LGF spy causing seizures in some Lizards. Just like the early Pokemon episodes did for some of the little critters watching them.

When the posting gets going that thing is faaast!

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:44:45pm

re: #280 jcm

Where's my delete button!

ARGH! I'm melting! I'm melting!

289 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:44:58pm

re: #279 nyc redneck

I agree, I do think that this narcissism is learned behavior. It's all about him and political expediency. Everyone will be expendable.

It will be hard to build a loyal staff in that type of environment unless they are equally dysfunctional or will operate on the principle that they have nothing to lose and will get what they can before they end up under the bus.

Our enemies overseas will not miss out on this fundamental character weakness. They see it and will use it for their ends.

This guy really is culmination of the worst points of McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry.

However, there are 2 that Barry will not toss under the bus no matter what. Michelle and Soros.

290 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:44:59pm

i am so hungry, i am abt. to faint.
i hope the rest of the world is more than ok w/ that.

291 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:45:09pm

Here's a trend I would love to see more of...

Jewish Dem donor joins McCain team

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is attracting elite Jewish Democratic donors who backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and are concerned about Sen. Barack Obamas (D-Ill.) stance toward Israel, say McCain backers who are organizing the effort to court Democrats.

McCain has already had several fundraising events with Jewish Democrats in Washington and Florida, say his supporters.

He also has the backing of Democrat-turned-Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.), who made history as the first Jewish vice presidential candidate and has recently raised questions about Obamas foreign policy vision for the Middle East.

292 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:45:49pm

Been with Obama a long time, through thick and thin?
Remembering the good old days when you used to see him all the time?
Thinking your ship has come in because he has a shot at becoming the next president?
Watch out. The next view you may see is this.

293 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:45:51pm

re: #261 galloping granny

If I'm not mistaken the Consular Report of Birth will give citizenship to those born of US citizens. But still they wouldn't be NATIVE BORN. Born in the United States or US territories.

Senator McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone , a US Territory at the time. Puerto Rico, US Guam, US Virgin Islands would all be NATIVE US Soil.

294 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:01pm

re: #278 CanadianBacon

So far - hope you haven't opened that door.

no shit sherlock

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:15pm

re: #285 jcm

dissynciation

I stand humbled before genius!

296 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:22pm

re: #289 Athos

However, there are 2 that Barry will not toss under the bus no matter what. Michelle and Soros.

It's hard to toss the bus owner and driver under the bus.

297 canadianally  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:37pm

No withdrawal of troops until certain conditions are met.

No artificial timetable.

Oh, this is Obama. (via HotAir)

298 jemima  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:53pm

#250

Exactly. The Dems change! the laws to whatever the need of the moment.

299 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:10pm

re: #291 Kenneth

AARRGGHH! the dreaded jewish conspiracy!how dare people look after their intrests!

/kosling

300 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:28pm

re: #292 Roentgen

Been with Obama a long time, through thick and thin?
Remembering the good old days when you used to see him all the time?
Thinking your ship has come in because he has a shot at becoming the next president?
Watch out. The next view you may see is this.

Way too clean...

301 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:39pm

re: #289 Athos

I agree, I do think that this narcissism is learned behavior. It's all about him and political expediency. Everyone will be expendable.

It will be hard to build a loyal staff in that type of environment unless they are equally dysfunctional or will operate on the principle that they have nothing to lose and will get what they can before they end up under the bus.

Our enemies overseas will not miss out on this fundamental character weakness. They see it and will use it for their ends.

This guy really is culmination of the worst points of McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry.

However, there are 2 that Barry will not toss under the bus no matter what. Michelle and Soros.

He threw his own grandmother under the bus. You can bet your bippy that if it came to a choice between Barack and Michelle, she would go right straight under the bus with grandma.

302 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:39pm

re: #297 canadianally

No withdrawal of troops until certain conditions are met.

No artificial timetable.

Oh, this is Obama. (via HotAir)

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Um, yeah, but Ed Morrissey got that one pretty wrong. That interview is not from April of this year, it's from 2004.

303 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:54pm

re: #291 Kenneth

Here's a trend I would love to see more of...

Jewish Dem donor joins McCain team

So, there is HOPE. Join the RJC toady!
[Link: www.rjchq.org...]

304 Right Brain  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:57pm

Loony Left gets loonier:

A 9th Circuit Court judge was found to be maintaining a porn web site. He is presently sitting as a judge on several porn trials:


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

305 RTLM  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:00pm

Anyone know what information is included on a Hawaii birth Certificate?

306 Dahveed  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:04pm

re: #291 Kenneth

That is a real feel good article. Do we dare say that Jews in America may be getting it?

307 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:06pm

re: #292 Roentgen

Been with Obama a long time, through thick and thin?
Remembering the good old days when you used to see him all the time?
Thinking your ship has come in because he has a shot at becoming the next president?
Watch out. The next view you may see is this.

Now that's damn funny!

308 yesandno  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:09pm

re: #259 goddessoftheclassroom

True, but Obama would still need a Consular Report of Birth, and I'm beginning to wonder if his mom or him ever bothered with that important bit of paperwork. Until a person has that piece of paper, he or she is NOT legally a natural-born American citizen.

(I know a bit about this because my Lizard in Training was born in England.)

First we prove he wasn't born in Hawaii...then Hillary will take care of he rest!

But Arnold is still never going to be eligible unless they make another amendment to the Constitution. By the time that passes all the bells and whistles, Arnold will be too old to run...which works for me!

309 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:28pm

re: #297 canadianally

I can hear him saying it: "This isn't the myself I knew."

310 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #293 right_on_target

If I'm not mistaken the Consular Report of Birth will give citizenship to those born of US citizens. But still they wouldn't be NATIVE BORN. Born in the United States or US territories.

Senator McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone , a US Territory at the time. Puerto Rico, US Guam, US Virgin Islands would all be NATIVE US Soil.

You are mistaken. Native born US citizen can be born anywhere. It just means "not naturalized".

311 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:48:52pm

re: #300 jcm

Shoot! You're right, as usual. It should be coated with blood, guts, and worse.

312 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:49:22pm

chimay ale grand reserve hard to remember the IRON FIST RULE.

313 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:49:37pm

Ok I admit it. I am as dumb as obambi.
What is the LGF spy feature?
I clicked it but don't understand it.

314 rain of lead  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:49:59pm

hey guys, since this is an open thread
for any lizards in the middle tenn. area, who love great BBQ (put this joint on the list of places to visit before you die)

Martins BBQ

you may now return to the topic at hand :)

315 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:50:10pm

re: #293 right_on_target

If I'm not mistaken the Consular Report of Birth will give citizenship to those born of US citizens. But still they wouldn't be NATIVE BORN. Born in the United States or US territories.

Senator McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone , a US Territory at the time. Puerto Rico, US Guam, US Virgin Islands would all be NATIVE US Soil.

You are right on the money as far as children born at the time my daughter and Obama were born. It is called "naturalized at birth" - and they are naturalized citizens, just as if they had immigrated to this country like Arnold did.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:50:21pm

re: #309 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can hear him saying it: "This isn't the myself I knew."

After he finds himself crawling out of a well.

317 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:50:30pm

re: #304 Right Brain

Loony Left gets loonier:

A 9th Circuit Court judge was found to be maintaining a porn web site. He is presently sitting as a judge on several porn trials:


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

And your point is? Who would have figured...LOL

318 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:02pm

re: #304 Right Brain

Loony Left gets loonier:

A 9th Circuit Court judge was found to be maintaining a porn web site. He is presently sitting as a judge on several porn trials:


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Except he was appointed by Ronnie?

319 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:34pm

Lawmakers say Capitol computers hacked by Chinese

WASHINGTON - Multiple congressional computers have been hacked by people working from inside China, lawmakers said Wednesday, suggesting the Chinese were seeking lists of dissidents.

The Pentagon last month acknowledged at a closed House Intelligence committee meeting that its vast computer network is scanned or attacked by outsiders more than 300 million times each day.

300 million a day?

PLEASE tell me Obama isn't on the "Congressional Computer Security Commitee". That would be bad.

320 canadianally  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:50pm

re: #302 Charles

Um, yeah, but Ed Morrissey got that one pretty wrong. That interview is not from April of this year, it's from 2004.


Yes, and I did forget to mention that. Although it does show a highly nuanced approach to the situation. LOL.

321 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:08pm

re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint

I respect Kucinich. At least he believes his rhetoric unlike most dem politicos who are in it for them, freak the masses.

I don't think he does. He's in it for the show. It's all about him.

322 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:32pm

re: #304 Right Brain

Loony Left gets loonier:

A 9th Circuit Court judge was found to be maintaining a porn web site. He is presently sitting as a judge on several porn trials:


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

HAHAHAHAHA - ROFLMAO. Must be where that TV show I was watching the other day came up with that scenario.

323 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:11pm

re: #305 RTLM

my guess

father unknown

race caucasian

324 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:40pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Lawmakers say Capitol computers hacked by Chinese

300 million a day?

PLEASE tell me Obama isn't on the "Congressional Computer Security Commitee". That would be bad.

No but his campaign IT guy is...

325 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:43pm

re: #310 rightwinger3

You are mistaken. Native born US citizen can be born anywhere. It just means "not naturalized".

No he isn't. They have changed the regs between then and now.

326 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:54pm

re: #310 rightwinger3

Thanx.
I'm going to research that more.

I wish the Weimarer Republik would have had the NATIVE BORN requirement in it's constitution!

327 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:54:21pm

re: #323 bulwrk

my guess

father unknown

race caucasian

ROFLMAO! That would explain it!

328 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:16pm

re: #316 NJDhockeyfan

After he finds himself crawling out of a well.

oooOOO!
THANK YOU for that!

329 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:59pm

re: #326 right_on_target

Thanx.
I'm going to research that more.

I wish the Weimarer Republik would have had the NATIVE BORN requirement in it's constitution!

Hell they would have just burned that along with the Reichstag.

330 jemima  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:04pm

#301

If Michelle went under the bus, it would be like Indiana Jones. She'd be hanging onto the bumper and trying to claw her way back into the driver's seat. Or maybe like Jack Traven in Speed, using her cuticle scissors instead of a Leatherman to cut the brake line.

Hugh Hewitt called it the Knight Bus 30 min ago. Barry as Ernie...hmmm.

331 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:36pm

re: #305 RTLM

Anyone know what information is included on a Hawaii birth Certificate?

The standard information on most long form birth certificates is date & time of birth, place of birth (hospital, etc.), name of witness(es) to birth, full name, address and birth place of parents, race. Signatures of all of the above. Some jurisdictions add things like the names of the parents' parents for ID purposes.

332 Shaky Louie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:48pm

If B-HO is an empty suit, and we all agree he is - if we unzipped that suit who or what would step out?
Some one said, "Jimmah Carter, wearing Karl Marx jammies."

333 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:53pm

re: #255 Charles

I'm amazed that you're still trying to defend that ridiculous viewpoint.

David M. Friedman defended it in a book he wrote before Ben Stein's movie came out.

And so did Charles Lindbergh, through lessons he learned from his mistakes.

So I don't think the idea is so easily dismissed.

334 tommygum  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:02pm

re: #160 coquimbojoe

Maybe the Kenyans have one...

How cool would that be?

335 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:06pm

Gotta run...

A politician should have three hats. One for throwing into the ring, one for talking through, and one for pulling rabbits out of if elected.
Carl Sandburg

336 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:15pm

re: #314 rain of lead

hey guys, since this is an open thread
for any lizards in the middle tenn. area, who love great BBQ (put this joint on the list of places to visit before you die)

Martins BBQ

you may now return to the topic at hand :)

Do you ever make it over to the Memphis area?

337 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:29pm

re: #326 right_on_target

Thanx.
I'm going to research that more.

I wish the Weimarer Republik would have had the NATIVE BORN requirement in it's constitution!

Me too. galloping granny says no and she's a lot smarter than me.

338 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:32pm

re: #321 Mars Needs Neocons

I don't think he does. He's in it for the show. It's all about him.

I wouldn't mind if it was all for his wife! Just proof that not all the loony lefties look like this [Link: www.tonyrogers.com...]

339 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:39pm

Cocky Ignorance

Now that Senator Barack Obama has become the Democrats' nominee for President of the United States, to the cheers of the media at home and abroad, he has written a letter to the Secretary of Defense, in a tone as if he is already President, addressing one of his subordinates.

POTUS Obama

340 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:41pm

re: #324 jcm

No but his campaign IT guy is...

Oh, that puts my mind at ease. Pass the bottle.

341 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:51pm

re: #275 Karagush

thank you. Its like seeing someone get hit by a car... its sickening but you cant turn away, and if you are decent you want to run do something to help or stop the tragedy...

See #339

342 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:57pm

re: #335 jcm

Gotta run...

A politician should have three hats. One for throwing into the ring, one for talking through, and one for pulling rabbits out of if elected.
Carl Sandburg

And don't forget the fourth hat, needed by Slick Willie to cover his groin.

Bye!

343 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:59:03pm

re: #333 Abu Boo Boo

David M. Friedman defended it in a book he wrote before Ben Stein's movie came out.

And so did Charles Lindbergh, through lessons he learned from his mistakes.

So I don't think the idea is so easily dismissed.

Yes, it's very easily dismissed. This is a deceptive, reductionist, anti-science argument advanced by far-right groups to attack evolution and promote pseudo-scientific nonsense, and it's very much like Holocaust denial.

344 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:59:06pm

Charles (or anyone who knows)
What does the LGF spy thing do?
Help a bro...uh whitey out.

345 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:00pm

re: #326 right_on_target

GOOD ONE
no snicklegrubber

346 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:06pm

re: #344 Typicalwhitey

Charles (or anyone who knows)
What does the LGF spy thing do?
Help a bro...uh whitey out.

It is real time comments on the threads
It zooms
Careful now

347 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:19pm

re: #273 Boondock St. Bender

if lindbergh was wrong about eugenics(and he was)he was probably wrong about his other conclusions.The guy was a hell of a pilot,but i wouldn't take his advise on anything outside that field.

Wrong. He developed a perfusion pump that was a precursor to the heart-lung bypass machine.

348 Athos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:01:06pm

re: #344 Typicalwhitey

When you are signed on to LGF and click on the Spy link, it should open a new tab in your browser that will give you an auto-refreshing scroll of all new comments and ratings done on the site regardless of thread. (You can turn these off by clicking the boxes on the top of the Spy page if, for example, you only want to see new comments.)

349 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:01:25pm

re: #344 Typicalwhitey

Charles (or anyone who knows)
What does the LGF spy thing do?
Help a bro...uh whitey out.

It makes an already addictive and time sucking blog into an even more addictive and time sucking blog. Lizardoid Crack!

/seriously you can monitor all of the newest posts on all of the threads at one time.

350 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:01:45pm

re: #344 Typicalwhitey

Charles (or anyone who knows)
What does the LGF spy thing do?
Help a bro...uh whitey out.

Basically, it displays comments in the threads, in near real-time. It's a great way to lurk when you don't feel like chiming in. You can also keep an eye on previous threads to see if there are any recent comments. It f*cking rules, baby.

351 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:02:26pm

re: #349 DaddyG

It makes an already addictive and time sucking blog into an even more addictive and time sucking blog. Lizardoid Crack!

/seriously you can monitor all of the newest posts on all of the threads at one time.


Thank you guys!
This is totally awesome...help...I am getting sucked i...

352 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:02:27pm

re: #333 Abu Boo Boo

David M. Friedman defended it in a book he wrote before Ben Stein's movie came out.

And so did Charles Lindbergh, through lessons he learned from his mistakes.

So I don't think the idea is so easily dismissed.

charle lindbergh is not a good proof around here sort of wish he had been lost than emilh erhart.

353 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:03:07pm

Toronto Islamic terrorist trial:
militant training camp was codenamed 'potty training' exercise

...again with the potty talk!

354 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:03:49pm

Heading out to get a bottle of wine. More storms coming in...

355 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:00pm

re: #351 Typicalwhitey

Thank you guys!
This is totally awesome...help...I am getting sucked i...


Yeah... I was just checking in for 5 minutes and that was an hour ago.

/must resist political discourse... must complete work that I stayed late at office to do... resistance is futile...

356 ggt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:12pm

So, how many computer monitors does Charles have in front of him at any one time? I think many. Unless, he is really good at managing multiple open windows. Which, of course, is entirely possible.

357 mean Gene  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:31pm

Ew.
Mugabe's henchmen burned the wife of one of his opponents alive today.
Yesterday it was a 6-year-old boy.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

358 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:34pm

re: #354 Noam Sayin'


Uhhh! Uhhh! Me! Me! AH is in San Antoin (oh boo hoo) and left me here to fend for myself! I need wine!

359 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:00pm

re: #289 Athos

yes, i think he will keep the puppet master and probably the wife.

eventually enough heads will roll and it will reflect on him.
how can he not be seen as a frantic jerk throwing everyone overboard to save himself.

360 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:01pm

re: #339 LeftJustAintRight

Cocky Ignorance

POTUS Obama

Sounds like a 2 million dollar agency and 500 new jobs right out of the chute for Obama.

/reaches in pocket to feel for extra change on hand.

361 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:26pm

Maybe I don't need wine, I can't spell my own home town. SAN ANTONIO.

362 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:40pm

re: #355 DaddyG

Yeah... I was just checking in for 5 minutes and that was an hour ago.

/must resist political discourse... must complete work that I stayed late at office to do... resistance is futile...

Welcome to the dark side. We've enjoyed your stay. Come on back when you can't stay quite so long...
/s

363 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:41pm

chimay effects spelling looking up the IRON FIST RULE does that apply to typo's?

364 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:06:06pm

Does Wonkette have the same people as Obama running his website?

365 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:06:09pm

re: #361 Armywife

Maybe I don't need wine, I can't spell my own home town. SAN ANTONIO.

you're right ,, you can't spell it, seeing that you live in Denver ~!

366 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:06:49pm

re: #363 yochanan

chimay effects spelling looking up the IRON FIST RULE does that apply to typo's?

Yes, grammar/word usage as well.

367 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:06:59pm

re: #337 rightwinger3

Me too. galloping granny says no and she's a lot smarter than me.

I know this for absolute sure because I did not receive just a long form Consular Report of Birth for my daughter, I also received her Naturalization papers. With strong warnings not to lose the same, as in pre computer days it was almost easier to replace the kid than it was to get new papers.

368 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:07pm

re: #362 saberry0530

Welcome to the dark side. We've enjoyed your stay. Come on back when you can't stay quite so long...
/s

You can check out anytime you please, but you can never leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Lizardfornia.

369 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:10pm

re: #341 LeftJustAintRight

See #339

I did. And was just getting ready to thank you for it! Good link! That dude is a whackjob, and people willing to follow him even nuttier than he is.

370 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:28pm

re: #358 Armywife

Uhhh! Uhhh! Me! Me! AH is in San Antoin (oh boo hoo) and left me here to fend for myself! I need wine!

After my kids bugged me for a while, I bought a blender. I also bought a bottle of TGIFriday's Strawberry Daiquiri mix (with rum already mixed in). I've been a happy Lizard the past several evenings!

371 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:44pm

re: #356 ggt

So, how many computer monitors does Charles have in front of him at any one time? I think many. Unless, he is really good at managing multiple open windows. Which, of course, is entirely possible.

God made him simple, science made him a god...

372 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:48pm

For LGF Spy ...
In FireFox...
I turn off CSS styles and increase text size, makes it easier to read.
I DO need new glasses, though.

373 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:50pm

If I seem unwilling to let comments promoting the intelligent design hoax stand unchallenged ... it's because I am.

It's a hoax. It's promoted by deceptive groups and religious fanatics.

374 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:57pm

re: #367 galloping granny

I know this for absolute sure because I did not receive just a long form Consular Report of Birth for my daughter, I also received her Naturalization papers. With strong warnings not to lose the same, as in pre computer days it was almost easier to replace the kid than it was to get new papers.

and you get the kid replacement papers from where ? (my 13 year old is on my last raw nerve today!)

375 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:02pm

re: #368 CanadianBacon

You can check out anytime you please, but you can never leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Lizardfornia.

Please! That sounds a bit obscene.

376 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:12pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Lawmakers say Capitol computers hacked by Chinese

300 million a day?

PLEASE tell me Obama isn't on the "Congressional Computer Security Commitee". That would be bad.

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.[70] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[71] He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.[72]

377 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:16pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

Does Wonkette have the same people as Obama running his website?

I HEARD THE WONKETTE WANTED THE CLINTON ORAL OFFICE JOB?

378 rain of lead  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:49pm

re: #336 AmeriDan

Do you ever make it over to the Memphis area?


oh hell yeah! memphis has great Q, but this was a tip for locals plus anyone who found themselves in the area. this guy is smalltown little
joint who does amazing things with meat,fire and smoke- check his blog at the site for some true food pron.

379 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:49pm

re: #365 sattv4u2

you're right ,, you can't spell it, seeing that you live in Denver ~!

AKK! I am in Denver? How the heck did that happen? Last I checked I had been transported to the People's Republic of Maryland!

380 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:09:02pm

re: #361 Armywife

Maybe I don't need wine, I can't spell my own home town. SAN ANTONIO.

My hometown as well armywife.

381 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:09:33pm

re: #373 Charles

If I seem unwilling to let comments promoting the intelligent design hoax stand unchallenged ... it's because I am.

It's a hoax. It's promoted by deceptive groups and religious fanatics.



You could also say that about Hussein Obama

382 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:09:36pm

This can't be true!
koskiddies are frikken nuts!
Carville Says Pick Gore for Veep

383 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:09:53pm

re: #347 Abu Boo Boo

o.k. my point being that because someone is very good at something,does not mean that they are authorities on all subjects.his moronic embracing of eugenics,his short sighted america first non-sense,do not show why he should be right when he offers his opinion on science.(one,two three strikes your out.)

384 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:12pm

re: #379 Armywife

AKK! I am in Denver? How the heck did that happen? Last I checked I had been transported to the People's Republic of Maryland!

I grew up in Maryland! Where do you live? Near Fort Meade, by any chance?

385 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:28pm

re: #382 Typicalwhitey

This can't be true!
koskiddies are frikken nuts!
Carville Says Pick Gore for Veep

He is too typically Unpigmented

386 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:42pm

re: #357 mean Gene

Ew.
Mugabe's henchmen burned the wife of one of his opponents alive today.
Yesterday it was a 6-year-old boy.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Oh dear G_d in heavens. That is the most horrifying thing. Absolutely inhuman. I am sitting here in tears.

387 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:47pm

re: #339 LeftJustAintRight

seriously his ignorance of the military is breathtaking. What they do. How it works. Even how they are screened. Ugh. Reading this seriously just made me want to kick him. Even more.

388 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:48pm

re: #379 Armywife

AKK! I am in Denver? How the heck did that happen? Last I checked I had been transported to the People's Republic of Maryland!

ya think thats bad. 10 years ago I was a happy conservative amongst the hordes of liberals in Massachusetts. I said "yes" to a question my boss asked me (okay, so I admit, I really wasn't paying attention to him) and next thing I know I was transferred to Atlanta !

389 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:52pm

re: #356 ggt

I picture him in front of what looks to be a network operation center(screens everywhere)

390 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:11:06pm

re: #385 LeftJustAintRight

He is too typically Unmanbearpigmented

/fixed it for ya

391 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:11:16pm

re: #343 Charles

Yes, it's very easily dismissed. This is a deceptive, reductionist, anti-science argument advanced by far-right groups to attack evolution and promote pseudo-scientific nonsense, and it's very much like Holocaust denial.

I'm not impressed with arguments that are based on assumptions about your opponent's motivations.

And I don't think it's fair to characterize a philosophical position you don't agree with as "very much like Holocaust denial." Unless you can show that the two ideas are linked, or at least that leading ID proponents are Holocaust deniers, then it's nothing more than a smear.

Like it or not, evolution is very tightly linked to eugenics.

392 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:11:30pm

re: #367 galloping granny

I know this for absolute sure because I did not receive just a long form Consular Report of Birth for my daughter, I also received her Naturalization papers. With strong warnings not to lose the same, as in pre computer days it was almost easier to replace the kid than it was to get new papers.

I take it you never had to replace the kid!

I read something recently that will supposedly correct this travesty. Bill defining "native-born"? I know it was here on LGF but can't find it now. Still doesn't make sense your daughter cannot be POTUS. Mine was born in Okinawa and she can.

393 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:11:34pm

re: #137 Dalibama

I heart Obama's blog. This one is a little different from what we have been reading there. I guess you could call it love speech.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/sepuyasepuya/gG5gx5

The last person I heard talking like that would then go catatonic for awhile, cry for awhile, laugh for awhile, repeat.
Seems they had been off their meds for about a week...
Thankfully someone convinced them to start taking them again.

394 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:11:56pm

re: #387 Karagush

seriously his ignorance of the military is breathtaking. What they do. How it works. Even how they are screened. Ugh. Reading this seriously just made me want to kick him. Even more.

That would be a hate crime
And that is Michelle's job
/kicking Obama

395 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:00pm

re: #391 Abu Boo Boo

I'm not impressed with arguments that are based on assumptions about your opponent's motivations.

And I don't think it's fair to characterize a philosophical position you don't agree with as "very much like Holocaust denial." Unless you can show that the two ideas are linked, or at least that leading ID proponents are Holocaust deniers, then it's nothing more than a smear.

Like it or not, evolution is very tightly linked to eugenics.

I've learned that there's no way to convince folks like you. And no, it is not connected to eugenics, no matter how many times you say it.

396 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:04pm

re: #389 Boondock St. Bender

I picture him in front of what looks to be a network operation center(screens everywhere)

how dod you know thats what I'm doing as we speak (type) ?Q?!?!?!?

397 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:05pm

re: #380 jorline
I miss it. AH gets to go back a lot (BAMC), I get to stay here. But I am not bitter.

398 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #381 LeftJustAintRight

You could also say that about Hussein Obama

LMAO

399 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:50pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

and you get the kid replacement papers from where ? (my 13 year old is on my last raw nerve today!)

Thirteen is such a wonderful age. Boy?

400 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:52pm

re: #382 Typicalwhitey

This can't be true!
koskiddies are frikken nuts!
Carville Says Pick Gore for Veep

AHH. The birth certificate is in Gore's lockbox. Bribery !

401 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:13:13pm

re: #357 mean Gene

people need to know. seriously. Its gotta get out.

402 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:13:32pm

re: #373 Charles

If I seem unwilling to let comments promoting the intelligent design hoax stand unchallenged ... it's because I am.

It's a hoax. It's promoted by deceptive groups and religious fanatics.

You are remembered by the company you keep, and we've (collectively) made that point stick in other posts. So, to add to the no-fly zone where racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance are banned we add "intelligent design".

No sense giving the opposition more targets than we have to.

403 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:13:58pm

re: #400 SasquatchOnSteroids

Anyone have any thoughts on a Bobby Jindal VP nod?

404 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:13pm

re: #378 rain of lead

oh hell yeah! memphis has great Q, but this was a tip for locals plus anyone who found themselves in the area. this guy is smalltown little
joint who does amazing things with meat,fire and smoke- check his blog at the site for some true food pron.

Hopefully, within a month there will be some Memphis area Lizards meeting for dinner.

If interested, leave a comment here and someone will get back with you. It's still in the early stages of planning though.

405 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:33pm

re: #399 galloping granny

Thirteen is such a wonderful age. Boy?

yes. 99.999% of the time he is THE GREATEST. (straight A student, "select" soccer player, very respectful to elders). But then there is that other 0.001% of the time

406 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:39pm

The MSM is right for a change
Unprecedented election year
Breaking records for turnout
And all for a Kenyan born candidate

407 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:42pm

Obama's web security is probably the best contemporary argument against the existance of intelligent design.

408 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:47pm

re: #391 Abu Boo Boo

By the way, about "assumptions:" we've argued this over and over, and many facts have been offered to support my conclusions. They're conclusions, not assumptions. You've just ignored everything you don't want to hear.

409 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:57pm

re: #375 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Please! That sounds a bit obscene.

Nope. It's classic. You're thinking of the Red Hot Chili Peppers tune, Lizardfornication.

Now, that's obscene.

410 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:14pm

re: #403 Typicalwhitey

Anyone have any thoughts on a Bobby Jindal VP nod?

Too inexperienced, and the Repubs will have to use that charge against Obama

411 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:18pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

yes. 99.999% of the time he is THE GREATEST. (straight A student, "select" soccer player, very respectful to elders). But then there is that other 0.001% of the time

That .001% of time should be spent outside mowing or cleaning the garage.
Problem solved! lol

412 gromster  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:32pm

After Islam flap, schools may limit religious assemblies

Excerpts:

Most of the Friendswood [Texas; near Houston] residents at a meeting demand junior high re-hires principal, some blast local officials, and others suspect group who gave presentation is linked to terrorists

About 200 Friendswood residents, divided over a junior high principal's decision to let an Islamic group make a presentation to students last month, packed Tuesday night's school board meeting as the governing body considered whether to ban any future religious presentations by outsiders.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations in Houston sought permission to address the mostly Anglo student body at Friendswood Junior High after a Muslim student was stuffed head-first into a trash can by a classmate. Principal Robin Lowe agreed to the 40-minute PowerPoint presentation on the basic beliefs of Islam, which drew howls of protest from some parents, talk radio hosts and Christian clergy.

...Other speakers, however, accused CAIR of having links to terrorism.

...However, M.A. Khalili, a CAIR board member, vehemently denied the organization has any ties to terrorism.

...Hanks described the trash can incident as a "random, impulsive act" that had nothing to do with religious preference or ethnicity. The offending student was disciplined, she said.
...Hanks told the crowd the Islamic group had viewed the incident involving the Muslim student as a "hate crime" and had even reported it to the FBI.

Hanks also said she allowed Lowe and an assistant superintendent to meet with the Islamic group.

But she had not given approval for the group to make a presentation, which including the statement that "Allah is God for all human beings," to the student body.

She called the Islamic group's presentation "a misunderstanding and miscommunication" which deviated from established policy.

413 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:35pm

re: #392 rightwinger3

I take it you never had to replace the kid!

I read something recently that will supposedly correct this travesty. Bill defining "native-born"? I know it was here on LGF but can't find it now. Still doesn't make sense your daughter cannot be POTUS. Mine was born in Okinawa and she can.

When was yours born? Mine is 38.

414 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:51pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

Too inexperienced, and the Repubs will have to use that charge against Obama

Who do you like?

415 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:51pm

re: #403 Typicalwhitey

We need him HERE in Louisiana.

416 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:16:15pm

I bought a new Ford F-150 and returned to the dealer the next day because I couldn't get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.'Nelson,' the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied, 'Ricky or Willie?' 'Willie!' he continued and 'On the Road Again' came from the speakers.

Then he said, 'Ray Charles!', and in an instant ' Georgia On My Mind' replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say, 'Beethoven,' I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said, 'Beatles', I'd get one of their classic songs.

Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, 'Ass Holes!'

Immediately the Iranian National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand, backed up by Michael Moore and The Dixie Chicks, with John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Dan Rather on harmonica, Nancy Pelosi on tambourine, Harry Reid on spoons, Bill Clinton on sax and Ted Kennedy on Scotch.

Damn, I LOVE this truck

417 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:16:27pm

re: #403 Typicalwhitey

Anyone have any thoughts on a Bobby Jindal VP nod?

He is to young and inexperienced. Would undercut McCain's argument that Obama is not ready. Can't say that and then put Jindal a heart beat away.

418 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:16:41pm

re: #415 right_on_target

We need him HERE in Louisiana.

I like the guy.
I saw him speak and he seems so natural and informed. Very sharp.

419 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:16:50pm

re: #403 Typicalwhitey

Anyone have any thoughts on a Bobby Jindal VP nod?

Too early. But I like him.

Okay, BRB...

420 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:16:56pm

re: #403 Typicalwhitey

re: #410 sattv4u2

Too inexperienced, and the Repubs will have to use that charge against Obama

With Jindal on the ticket, all the dems will have to do when we try to use the inexperience line against Obama is say "yeah, but McCain is old and Jindal is only a heartbeat away". We'll save Jindal for 2016 (or 2012 if we lose)

421 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:05pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

yes. 99.999% of the time he is THE GREATEST. (straight A student, "select" soccer player, very respectful to elders). But then there is that other 0.001% of the time

He is bored. Turn him on to SCRATCH. Computer programming language intended for kids in the 10-13 age group done by the nice folks at MIT. You'll just have to fight for computer time.

422 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:14pm

re: #411 Typicalwhitey

That .001% of time should be spent outside mowing or cleaning the garage.
Problem solved! lol

he does all that, and more

423 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:19pm

Obama /Obama 08 !
/husband/wife POTUS and VP
Yeah baby

424 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:23pm
re: #268 CanadianBacon 6/11/08 3:38:57 pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

I'll bet it's a light beer

With a nutty aftertaste.

It has a pretty label and smells OK, but when you pour it, it's all foam.

425 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:26pm

re: #396 sattv4u2

ah,so you work in a noc?

426 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:29pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

Too inexperienced, and the Repubs will have to use that charge against Obama

I agree.

Jindal would be a great candidate with a few more years experience under his belt.

427 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:34pm

re: #415 right_on_target

I agree (but I am not in LA). I think Jindal has an incredible future, but he is needed in bayou right now, badly!

428 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:36pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

Too inexperienced, and the Repubs will have to use that charge against Obama

Agreed. Soon though...2012, 2016.

429 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:37pm

re: #413 galloping granny

When was yours born? Mine is 38.

I think the technicality/language was corrected in the 80s because my Lizard-in-Training was born in 1992 (as I mentioned to yoi yesterday), and he's specifically a "natural-born American citizen."

430 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:14pm

re: #412 gromster
In Junior High being stuffed into a trash can would be considered part of the mainstream experience. And what the heck is "mostly Anglo?" Is there a large population of immigrants from Great Britain at Friendswood Junior High?

I think this particular Islamic group suffers from the same malady as CAIR... Offensisenitivity.

431 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:19pm

re: #423 LeftJustAintRight

Obama /Obama 08 !
/husband/wife POTUS and VP
Yeah baby

Other than it is unconstitutional it is also a revolting thought.

432 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:20pm

re: #422 sattv4u2

he does all that, and more

Well then send him here!
I could use a nice son like that ;)

433 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:27pm

re: #415 right_on_target

We need him HERE in Louisiana.

Had to plus ya on that one, just wish he would have had the nads to rollback Stelly a little bit sooner.

434 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:39pm

re: #414 Typicalwhitey

Who do you like?

Romney is my 1st pick right now. he protects McCains vulnerability on 2 fronts. Economics and right wing

435 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:49pm

re: #413 galloping granny

When was yours born? Mine is 38.

Mine is 8. (I meant she could be POTUS in 27 years!)

436 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:19:03pm

re: #218 unrealizedviewpoint

I respect Kucinich. At least he believes his rhetoric unlike most dem politicos who are in it for them, freak the masses.

You're not from Ohio, are you? He's a freaking joke here.

The guy about bankrupted Cleveland when he was mayor.

If you can respect someone who thinks like this...be my guest.

A snippet from the link.

"(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or"

437 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:19:07pm

re: #397 Armywife

I miss it. AH gets to go back a lot (BAMC), I get to stay here. But I am not bitter.

I'm just 125 miles south of SA, but I still miss it. My wife just called me, she's on her way to pick up our kids in Kerrville. She took the back roads up through Medina and Bandera, had to call me to rub it in about how beautiful the hill country is...sometimes she really pisses me off...lol

438 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:19:25pm

re: #431 Nevergiveup

Other than it is unconstitutional it is also a revolting thought.

The constitution was written by white slave owners and does not apply to them

439 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:19:57pm

re: #425 Boondock St. Bender

ah,so you work in a noc?

Actually, a Satellite Teleport. We send and recieve satellite and fiber optic TV all over the world (mostly news, sports, satellite media tours, etc etc) There are at least 150 monitors within 10 feet of me

440 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:33pm

re: #430 DaddyG

In Junior High being stuffed into a trash can would be considered part of the mainstream experience. And what the heck is "mostly Anglo?" Is there a large population of immigrants from Great Britain at Friendswood Junior High?

I think this particular Islamic group suffers from the same malady as CAIR... Offensisenitivity.

THAT really annoys me, too--it seems to be a euphemism for "white." My family's ancestors are European, but just a small percentage is English. Besides, "race" has NOTHING to do with religion!

441 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:54pm

re: #439 sattv4u2

Actually, a Satellite Teleport. We send and recieve satellite and fiber optic TV all over the world (mostly news, sports, satellite media tours, etc etc) There are at least 150 monitors within 10 feet of me

Do you get all the MLB games live?

442 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:57pm

re: #439 sattv4u2

Actually, a Satellite Teleport. We send and recieve satellite and fiber optic TV all over the world (mostly news, sports, satellite media tours, etc etc) There are at least 150 monitors within 10 feet of me

Could you do some finageling on the satellite thingies?
My cell phone doesn't get good reception out here in the boonies.

443 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:58pm

re: #429 goddessoftheclassroom


This actually hasn't been tested yet. There hasn't been an American that wasn't born on American soil that has tried to run. Maybe its been mentioned but there was an issue with McCain as he was born in the Panama Canal (on a military base). I would guess that if it WAS tested, so long as the child was born to American Citizen parents and not a foreigner on a military base, it would be considered a birth on American soil.

444 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:21:05pm

re: #429 goddessoftheclassroom

I think the technicality/language was corrected in the 80s because my Lizard-in-Training was born in 1992 (as I mentioned to yoi yesterday), and he's specifically a "natural-born American citizen."

I think you are probably right. Though I don't think it was so much corrected as just changed. About that same time I had neighbors from Turkey who were in the process of getting doctorates here. Their daughter was born here, but she was specifically not given US citizenship. Something else that changed about that time is that dual citizens no longer had to choose between the two nations as they did when my child and Obama were born. Now they can hold two passports - which is why we had to go rescue a whole bunch of "Americans" living in Lebanon a couple of years ago.

445 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:21:05pm

re: #395 Charles

Charles,

I don't think you even know my position.

I am strongly opposed to dogma in science. I don't have any attachment to ID other than I notice the science establishment goes apoplectic when it is mentioned.

I see ID as just a hypothesis. I'll not hesitate one nanosecond to dismiss it if and when evolutionists perform either of the following experiments:

1. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows one species transformed into another; or

2. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows life formed from raw chemicals.

Until then, I think anyone who is interested in scientific truth should be a bit more humble... ID may be wrong, but evolution has serious weaknesses, too. The ID hypothesis could, if nothing else, inspire research that will settle the issue.

I suppose I could say that at present evolution is like global warming. Most scientists believe in global warming. In fact, Al Gore said that those who don't are "flat earthers."

446 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:21:19pm

re: #21 Charles

Are there really people out there who care about Frank Luntz and his focus groups?

I've little by little quit watching even Fox... I used to watch O'Reilly until he did a very big waffle on Iraq. And then I quit that. And then I saw Pat Buchanan being deified and I pretty much quit altogether. I see Pat B. in the same light as the Belgium types that we tussled with here on LGF.

447 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:21:34pm

re: #431 Nevergiveup

Other than it is unconstitutional it is also a revolting thought.

It isn't unconstitutional as far as I know.

448 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:02pm

re: #441 Nevergiveup

Do you get all the MLB games live?

live and without commercials. same with all sports, we get the raw feeds right from the stadium

449 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:07pm

re: #132 tigerwoman

Thought you might like my bumper sticker:

I neutered the cat.
Now he's a liberal.

heh

450 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:10pm

re: #373 Charles

If I seem unwilling to let comments promoting the intelligent design hoax stand unchallenged ... it's because I am.

It's a hoax. It's promoted by deceptive groups and religious fanatics.

My first and only "examination" of it was ages ago, when the idea first came out. It was a very quick pass indeed, but the fundamental idea sounded somewhat reasonable. I'm afraid to read up on it today. Wouldn't be surprised to find out I hate what it's likely to have become.

/spout-off mode on

Personally, I believe there's a Creator who may well have caused a Big Bang, or whatever. In doing so, he knew what would come as a result of it. I do not believe he's a hands-on genetic engineer. I also believe that Darwin's evolution is perfectly sound (though, like any scientific theory, it probably needs tweaking.) In other words, yes, I believe in a certain form of "intelligent design", but don't lump me in with the others.

/off ... meekly going to the side of the room and taking a seat

451 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:13pm

re: #408 Charles

By the way, about "assumptions:" we've argued this over and over, and many facts have been offered to support my conclusions. They're conclusions, not assumptions. You've just ignored everything you don't want to hear.

And in this corner, wearing green trunks trimmed in white Charles "The Lizard" Johnsooonnn.

452 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:21pm

re: #445 Abu Boo Boo

Charles,
I am strongly opposed to dogma in science.

I see ID as just a hypothesis.


Please state the hypothesis.

453 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:32pm

re: #416 Yankee Division Son

Is that radio available aftermarket? I gotta get me one; all I can get on mine is the CBC (Communist Broadcasting Corporation, up here in Canada) and they won't do requests - I keep tellin' them to shut the h#ll up but they won't.

454 gromster  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:22:38pm

#402

I think Macro evolution is absurd and silly.

I'm asked to believe that just given enough time and some chance, an amobeoa or some such tiny thing or a pool of slime can develop into or put forth a dog, or an elephant can morph into a kangaroo or whatever.

~And people who swallow all of macro evolution whole think that sounds perfectly reasonable and scientific.

>Irreducible Complexity

455 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:04pm

re: #442 Typicalwhitey

Could you do some finageling on the satellite thingies?
My cell phone doesn't get good reception out here in the boonies.

hold it up higher, or climb a tree (or telephone pole, like Eddie Albert in Green Acres)

456 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:19pm

re: #437 jorline
The Hill Country is just gorgeous. If we ever go back to Hood, I am settling in Salado, though. That is such a great town!

457 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:28pm

re: #447 galloping granny

It isn't unconstitutional as far as I know.

The President and the VP MUST be from different states. So unless Obama and his wife claim different state residences, it is.

458 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:28pm

re: #348 Athos

I tried that Spy page and it left me feeling defective because it goes so fast and all the threads are mixed. I need columns for each (selectable) thread and a !ding! when Charles puts up a new post...

459 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:46pm

re: #443 Armywife

This actually hasn't been tested yet. There hasn't been an American that wasn't born on American soil that has tried to run. Maybe its been mentioned but there was an issue with McCain as he was born in the Panama Canal (on a military base). I would guess that if it WAS tested, so long as the child was born to American Citizen parents and not a foreigner on a military base, it would be considered a birth on American soil.

McCain is a non issue. The Panama Canal Zone at the time that he was born was US territory. (As it still was when Obama was born I believe.) He is as 100% natural born, native born American as he would be if he were born in Kansas, Boston or the Lincoln Bedroom.

460 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:53pm

re: #409 CanadianBacon

Nope. It's classic. You're thinking of the Red Hot Chili Peppers tune, Lizardfornication.

Now, that's obscene.

I never heard that song. I should probably be glad.

461 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:06pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

live and without commercials. same with all sports, we get the raw feeds right from the stadium

Is there an open bar were you work?

462 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:33pm

re: #452 looking closely

Please state the hypothesis.

There is no hypothesis, because it's not science. (But you know that.)

463 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:36pm

re: #461 Nevergiveup

Is there an open bar were you work?

burrrppp ,,, ummm, huh ?

464 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:47pm

re: #457 Nevergiveup

The President and the VP MUST be from different states. So unless Obama and his wife claim different state residences, it is.

He is from Kenya and she is America
Rules do not apply to Dems anyway

465 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:25:14pm

re: #455 sattv4u2

hold it up higher, or climb a tree (or telephone pole, like Eddie Albert in Green Acres)

You got a spycam on me? How did you know about the telephone pole trick?
Seriously, I have a palm treo and it is spotty. My daughters regular cellphone works a heckuvalot better.

But on the plus side, I can have as many animals as I want and the stars are beautiful at night.
Wouldn't live in the city for nothing.

466 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:25:15pm

re: #458 Sunlight

I tried that Spy page and it left me feeling defective because it goes so fast and all the threads are mixed. I need columns for each (selectable) thread and a !ding! when Charles puts up a new post...

There's a spy link on each thread, that shows only the incoming comments for that topic...

467 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:25:40pm

Oil.

Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil.

Price of oil is the big story of the year.

I forget if I asked this here before, but I'm looking for a good online investment forum, and would appreciate any pointers. Oil price, and its effect on the markets, y'know.

Thanx.

468 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:25:52pm

re: #464 LeftJustAintRight

He is from Kenya and she is America that she had never been proud ofRules do not apply to Dems anyway


fixed

469 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:25:56pm

re: #445 Abu Boo Boo

Over and over, the same points, no matter how many times they're dealt with.

470 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:01pm

re: #457 Nevergiveup

The President and the VP MUST be from different states. So unless Obama and his wife claim different state residences, it is.

Really, I didn't know that!
Do you know why they have that rule?

471 Salem  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:18pm

re: #445 Abu Boo Boo

ID may be wrong, but evolution has serious weaknesses, too.

Uh, yeah. And phrenology may be wrong, but that has zero to do with the gaps in our understanding of the brain.

472 gromster  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:26pm

re: #430 DaddyG

I live close to the area, and it's a mix.

We have a lot of Hispanic folks, black people, caucasian, some Asian folks.

Houston is a huge city with all sorts of people.

I'm guessing "Anglo" is another way of saying "caucasian."

I just love how Islam, Wicca, and New Age can be taught in public schools, but absolutely no Judeo-Christian beliefs are tolerated at all.

I just saw on the news the other day about some kid who incorporated Christian themes in a drawing he did in art class, and his teacher gave him a "zero" for it.

-Not because the drawing was off (bad perspective, bad composition, etc), but the teacher objected to Christian content.

But it's okay to bring in CAIR to tell kids that Allah is everyone's God.

473 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:29pm

re: #466 Charles

Hmm. I'll try that.

474 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:39pm

re: #462 Charles

There is no hypothesis, because it's not science. (But you know that.)


/Did I call on you?

475 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:50pm

re: #457 Nevergiveup

The President and the VP MUST be from different states. So unless Obama and his wife claim different state residences, it is.

Ahhh - you are correct.

476 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:58pm

re: #423 LeftJustAintRight

Obama/Ahamdinejad 08
Obama/Hussein 08 (the one in Syria)
Obama/Osama 08

477 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #470 Typicalwhitey

Really, I didn't know that!
Do you know why they have that rule?

think back to the original 13. They figured one state would have too much power/ sway

478 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:27:22pm

re: #450 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My first and only "examination" of it was ages ago, when the idea first came out. It was a very quick pass indeed, but the fundamental idea sounded somewhat reasonable. I'm afraid to read up on it today. Wouldn't be surprised to find out I hate what it's likely to have become.

/spout-off mode on

Personally, I believe there's a Creator who may well have caused a Big Bang, or whatever. In doing so, he knew what would come as a result of it. I do not believe he's a hands-on genetic engineer. I also believe that Darwin's evolution is perfectly sound (though, like any scientific theory, it probably needs tweaking.) In other words, yes, I believe in a certain form of "intelligent design", but don't lump me in with the others.

/off ... meekly going to the side of the room and taking a seat

I agree with you.

To be there is a distinction between adaptions and evolutions. There is clear evidence that species adapt and change, but I'm not sure whether I believe in wholesale evolution (atoms to organizations).

Origins of the universe are all hypothetical, are they not?

479 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:27:35pm

re: #470 Typicalwhitey

Really, I didn't know that!
Do you know why they have that rule?

I guess the framers of the constitution did not want to much power concentrated in one region of the country.

480 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:07pm

re: #459 galloping granny
I agree its a non-issue and went away as quickly as it was raised. But it brought about the problem of children born to military parents overseas. I seem to recall McCain had a legal analysis done of this and the result was "Not been tested, but it would seem pretty darn silly to not allow this", only in more legal terms.

481 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:11pm

re: #477 sattv4u2

think back to the original 13. They figured one state would have too much power/ sway

Wow I am learning so much on here I no longer have to continually cling to my guns and religion as much.
Thanks guys!

/s

482 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:24pm

Kenya must now be one of the 57 states

483 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:35pm

re: #481 Typicalwhitey

Wow I am learning so much on here I no longer have to continually cling to my guns and religion as much.
Thanks guys!

/s

but you ARE still bitter, I hope !

484 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:45pm

re: #412 gromster

After Islam flap, schools may limit religious assemblies

Excerpts:

The only misunderstanding was the fools who invited them. The only people that don't understand how Islam works are the fools who allow them to speak, expecting them to follow the rules of "lesser people".

485 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:29:17pm

re: #452 looking closely

Please state the hypothesis.

Are we doing this again?

I was going to take a wack at "stating the hypothesis" of ID here, but need more time. Back when I can. Hope it's all settled before then.

Something along the lines of, "ID hypothesizes there is a way to make a new species, and evolution CANNOT be it."

486 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:29:39pm

re: #483 sattv4u2

but you ARE still bitter, I hope !

Of course!
I will cling to my bitterness until it is removed from my cold dead hand.

487 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:11pm

re: #481 Typicalwhitey

Wow I am learning so much on here I no longer have to continually cling to my guns and religion as much.
Thanks guys!

/s

Now if you would only get over that bitterness...

488 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:15pm

Love the SPY, can't say it enough. It does breed laziness though. Now I wait until an interesting link scrolls by and then I click on it instead of wading through the categories.

489 Clemente  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:24pm

(Oops... re: #249 ↑ s/b ↓)

490 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:32pm

Secret al-Qaida, Iraq files found on British train

LONDON - Secret government documents on al-Qaida and Iraq were left on a commuter train, prompting a major police investigation into the latest in a series of embarrassing security breaches, British officials said Wednesday

The documents belonged to a senior intelligence official in the Cabinet office and were found by a passenger on a London commuter train Tuesday. The envelope was then passed to the British Broadcasting Corp.

The security breach is the latest in a string of government data losses and comes as Britain pushes for an expansion of its national DNA database — already the largest per capita in the world — and works to finalize plans for an ID program.

In another breach, tax officials last year lost computer disks containing information — including banking records — on nearly half the British population.

491 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:34pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

Does Wonkette have the same people as Obama running his website?

Did you see this pic? I wonder if Obama's site really was hacked...

492 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:38pm

re: #478 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree with you.

To be there is a distinction between adaptions and evolutions. There is clear evidence that species adapt and change, but I'm not sure whether I believe in wholesale evolution (atoms to organizations).

Origins of the universe are all hypothetical, are they not?

Evolution says nothing about the origin of the universe. It describes a mechanism that explains the profusion of species on this planet, a mechanism that has been extremely well documented, and is supported by scientific theory and evidence.

Intelligent design is a hoax promoted by the same people who were trying to promote "creationism" a few years back. They changed their tack when it became clear that creationism was discredited. The main proponent of this hoax is the Discovery Institute, and a leaked document from there spells this agenda out in detail. Look up the Wedge document at Wikipedia.

493 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:43pm

re: #445 Abu Boo Boo

Charles,

I don't think you even know my position.

I am strongly opposed to dogma in science. I don't have any attachment to ID other than I notice the science establishment goes apoplectic when it is mentioned.

I see ID as just a hypothesis. I'll not hesitate one nanosecond to dismiss it if and when evolutionists perform either of the following experiments:

1. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows one species transformed into another; or

2. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows life formed from raw chemicals.

Until then, I think anyone who is interested in scientific truth should be a bit more humble... ID may be wrong, but evolution has serious weaknesses, too. The ID hypothesis could, if nothing else, inspire research that will settle the issue.

I suppose I could say that at present evolution is like global warming. Most scientists believe in global warming. In fact, Al Gore said that those who don't are "flat earthers."

And in the other corner wearing black trunks trimmed in red is Abu Boo "The Banned" Boo.

OK gentlemen let's have a clean fight and biting, kicking or hitting below the belt

DING...DING

494 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:30:46pm

re: #452 looking closely

Please state the hypothesis.

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.

I attached absolutely no religious meaning to that. My religious views are similar to Thomas Jefferson's. I believe in absolute truth and that the laws of nature extend to ethics. I don't observe any religious rituals, and I consider Creationism to be mythology.

But as someone deeply involved in the history of science, I know that great science requires total freedom of thought, and that throughout history science has been held back by science orthodoxy.

495 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:31:02pm

re: #480 Armywife

I agree its a non-issue and went away as quickly as it was raised. But it brought about the problem of children born to military parents overseas. I seem to recall McCain had a legal analysis done of this and the result was "Not been tested, but it would seem pretty darn silly to not allow this", only in more legal terms.

I think the problem really came about because most of the younger generation - even educated people in their forties - no longer remember (if they ever knew) that the Panama Canal Zone was once 100% American territory from sea to shining sea. Had he been born at Pearl Harbor nobody would have batted an eyelash, even though Pearl had the same territorial status at the time John McCain was born.

496 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:31:19pm

re: #305 RTLM

Anyone know what information is included on a Hawaii birth Certificate?

The one I saw had a Mo cartoon with a ticking bomb hat.

497 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:31:33pm

re: #467 itellu3times

Oil.

Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil. Oil.

Did you see the chart Powerline has put up showing the near triviality of our maligned "Big Oil", which some of the dems want to punish and maybe nationalize, as compared to the already-nationalized international oil companies?
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Puts into perspective just how congress and enlightened enviros have strangled our energy supply. And their solution to this? Tax and tax these ants of big oil companies. Not very smart, are they.

498 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:32:26pm

re: #478 goddessoftheclassroom

Origins of the universe are all hypothetical, are they not?


Except to those to whom one of them is not. :)

499 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:32:52pm

re: #493 jorline

And in the other corner wearing black trunks trimmed in red is Abu Boo "The Banned" Boo.

OK gentlemen let's have a clean fight and biting, kicking or hitting below the belt

DING...DING

Stop it, you're just as bad as they are for encouraging them

500 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:33:14pm

re: #493 jorline

And in the other corner wearing black trunks trimmed in red is Abu Boo "The Banned" Boo.

That kind of Stalinism is exactly what I'm opposing.

501 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:33:20pm

re: #495 galloping granny

That's scary - I am 37 and was fully aware of this, and aware the asshat Carter gave it back!

502 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:33:29pm

On McCain and citizenship, the "default" scenario is that he'd be allowed to run until/unless a court order prevented him from doing so.

I think it would take a successful US Supreme Court challenge to effectively disqualify him, and suffice it to say that scenario is extremely unlikely to the point of implausibility.

So as a practical matter, its not an issue.

As to Obama, until/unless someone can produce a foreign birth certificate for him, or prove that his American one was somehow falsified, I don't see how there is basis for a challenge. I wouldn't hold my breath for that one either.

503 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:34:10pm

re: #495 galloping granny

I think the problem really came about because most of the younger generation - even educated people in their forties - no longer remember (if they ever knew) that the Panama Canal Zone was once 100% American territory from sea to shining sea. Had he been born at Pearl Harbor nobody would have batted an eyelash, even though Pearl had the same territorial status at the time John McCain was born.

Carter would have tried to give away Pearl Harbor also if Hawaii hadn't already been made a State!

504 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:34:42pm

re: #482 LeftJustAintRight

Kenya must now be one of the 57 states

You're on a roll tonight.

505 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:34:44pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.

I attached absolutely no religious meaning to that. My religious views are similar to Thomas Jefferson's. I believe in absolute truth and that the laws of nature extend to ethics. I don't observe any religious rituals, and I consider Creationism to be mythology.

But as someone deeply involved in the history of science, I know that great science requires total freedom of thought, and that throughout history science has been held back by science orthodoxy.

Again, you're demonstrating only one thing: you don't understand the meaning of the term "scientific hypothesis."

506 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:34:58pm

re: #503 Nevergiveup

Carter would have tried to give away Pearl Harbor also if Hawaii hadn't already been made a State!


Anyone know the reason Carter gave that away?

507 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:35:25pm

re: #478 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree with you.

To be there is a distinction between adaptions and evolutions. There is clear evidence that species adapt and change, but I'm not sure whether I believe in wholesale evolution (atoms to organizations).

Origins of the universe are all hypothetical, are they not?

Origin of the universe (prescient Creator) is a matter of developed, considered, faith with me. Didn't get it from a book (meaning, a dogma.) What happened between Bang and me? How did I get here? My bottom line is, that it's immaterial to me. There is a logic to Evolution. Okay, fine. I'm cool with it.

God is all I truly have, and all I need. That (I have to remind myself daily) is all that matters.

/spout-off "off" again

508 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:35:37pm

re: #506 Typicalwhitey

Anyone know the reason Carter gave that away?

I meant the Panama Canal

509 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:35:50pm

re: #507 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Origin of the universe (prescient Creator) is a matter of developed, considered, faith with me. Didn't get it from a book (meaning, a dogma.) What happened between Bang and me? How did I get here? My bottom line is, that it's immaterial to me. There is a logic to Evolution. Okay, fine. I'm cool with it.

God is all I truly have, and all I need. That (I have to remind myself daily) is all that matters.

/spout-off "off" again

I agree.

510 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:11pm

re: #506 Typicalwhitey

Anyone know the reason Carter gave that away?

He is a commie bastard for starters.

511 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:20pm

By folks
A vote for McCain is a hate crime
Obama /Carter 08 !

512 anti-social(ism)  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:24pm

re: #490 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's terrible that someone would take them straight to the BBC.

513 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:40pm

re: #508 Typicalwhitey

I meant the Panama Canal

For appeasement.

514 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:48pm

re: #502 looking closely

Has he been officially asked to show it? I would think it would be easier just to show the darn thing rather than fuel the fires of a possible conspiracy. Maybe he has another middle name he doesn't want us to know, like Englebert or something Native Americanesque like Barack Hussien Throw Under Bus To Avoid Bad Public Relations Obama, or some such.

515 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:54pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.


That is a statement, not a hypothesis. Could you be more specific?

Please consider the following:


Hypothesis: An explanation that accounts for a set of facts and that can be tested by further investigation
516 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:20pm

re: #434 sattv4u2

Also regionally, Romney brings in Massachusetts' electoral college votes too.

517 chris_l  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:23pm
Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
518 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:29pm

re: #499 CanadianBacon

Stop it, you're just as bad as they are for encouraging them

ROFLMAO...sorry. thought I would have some fun with it. Damn phone kept ringing ended up posting 100 late.

519 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:34pm

re: #508 Typicalwhitey

I meant the Panama Canal

Why'd Carter give away the canal? Because Israel wasn't within his power to give away.

520 buckykat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:41pm

Obama, the post turtle

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President. The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was. The old rancher said : When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself. he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there to begin with."

521 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:37:46pm

re: #511 LeftJustAintRight

By folks
A vote for McCain is a hate crime
Obama /Carter 08 !

Hey! My sheets are all accounted for.

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:38:31pm

re: #509 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree.

I feel like barking, to break the seriousness.

523 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:38:52pm

re: #517 chris_l

/
Use mine, you must have forgotten yours.

524 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:39:04pm

re: #491 SeafoodGumbo

Did you see this pic? I wonder if Obama's site really was hacked...

I like all the pics of Barack named "barry***.jpg"

525 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:39:10pm

re: #457 Nevergiveup

The President and the VP MUST be from different states. So unless Obama and his wife claim different state residences, it is.

So Hill and Bill could have done it.

526 right_on_target  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:03pm

re: #511 LeftJustAintRight

By folks
A vote for McCain is a hate crime
Obama /Carter 08 !

Hey! My sheets are all accounted for.

Technically, Carter could be on the ballot and the worst, be POTUS again !

527 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:44pm

I'll put my 2 cents in.

I think the following statement, or something like it, should be in textbooks that teach evolution, the Big Bang, etc.:

There is nothing in the scientific theories presented here that prove or disprove the existence of a Creator. They show how events occurred, not why.
It is possible that a Creator directed these events, but that is not a scientific question, as it cannot be proven or disproven.
Feel free to discuss with your parents and religious figures how to reconcile the evidence given here with your particular creation story; there are many books on the subject that reconcile scientific evidence with religion. However, such discussion should take place outside the school.
You will be responsible for understanding the scientific theories and the evidence supporting them, whether you believe them or not.

528 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:45pm

re: #525 Mars Needs Neocons

So Hill and Bill could have done it.

How so? I mean I think after he left office, they both took up residency in NY. Now were they both actually slept is a whole other story.

529 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:48pm

re: #445 Abu Boo Boo

1. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows one species transformed into another; or

2. A verifiable and repeatable experiment that shows life formed from raw chemicals.

As a matter of fact, I am conducting that first experiment right now. I'll call you in 20,000 years and let you know how it's going.

530 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #500 Abu Boo Boo

That kind of Stalinism is exactly what I'm opposing.

Thank you, Charles. Abu, Stalinism? Go to your respective corner for a time out.

Anymore outburst out of you and Charles will win by acclamation.

531 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:14pm

re: #525 Mars Needs Neocons

I could with AH. He has retained his Texas citizenship because he is active duty. I have had to become a *spit* Maryland citizen. What is not fair about this scenario is AH is from Friggin Vermont! He changed his home of record when we lived there because it was my home and he loved it. Again, no bitterness here.

532 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:22pm

re: #465 Typicalwhitey

You got a spycam on me? How did you know about the telephone pole trick?
Seriously, I have a palm treo and it is spotty. My daughters regular cellphone works a heckuvalot better.

But on the plus side, I can have as many animals as I want and the stars are beautiful at night.
Wouldn't live in the city for nothing.

Exact opposite with me. Treo works great, but wife's cell doesn't.

533 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:25pm

re: #466 Charles

There's a spy link on each thread, that shows only the incoming comments for that topic...

Wait.. how do you do this? I've got this thread and a Spy window (with everything scrolling) open... I don't see how to change what is scrolling in - ?

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:41pm

re: #520 buckykat

Obama, the post turtle

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President. The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle was. The old rancher said : When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself. he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there to begin with."

Oh, that's brilliant!

535 anti-social(ism)  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:43pm

re: #502 looking closely

I agree. Soros wouldn't have spent all that money on someone who couldn't legally be president. He'd have found another puppet to mold and direct.

536 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:00pm

re: #516 Kenneth

Also regionally, Romney brings in Massachusetts' electoral college votes too.

I wouldn't be sure. But then, he might remind the Massachusetts voters of how much our useless empty suit governor is like Obama; they even have similar slogans.

537 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:01pm

re: #514 Armywife

Has he been officially asked to show it? I would think it would be easier just to show the darn thing rather than fuel the fires of a possible conspiracy. Maybe he has another middle name he doesn't want us to know, like Englebert or something Native Americanesque like Barack Hussien Throw Under Bus To Avoid Bad Public Relations Obama, or some such.

I'm not trying to stoke controversy per se.

I was just pointing out what *might* be involved if someone were *actually* going to try to disqualify either McCain or Obama based on this alleged citizenship issues.

For the record, I have no reason to think Obama isn't a US Citizen, and I think trying to disqualify him on that basis is petty.

People have asked Obama to show his birth certificate. Considering the circumstances of his birth, and that his opponent has shown his, I don't think the request is unreasonable.

I don't think anyone can COMPEL him to show it, short of a court order, and to get that, someone would have to some good reason to obtain one.

But I agree, whatever is on there, he's probably better off showing it. I can only think of a few reasons why he wouldn't, most of which are probably of no real signficance, and all of which have been covered elsewhere (eg one of his names was changed, his religion is listed as Muslim, etc).

538 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:30pm

re: #531 Armywife

I could with AH. He has retained his Texas citizenship because he is active duty. I have had to become a *spit* Maryland citizen. What is not fair about this scenario is AH is from Friggin Vermont! He changed his home of record when we lived there because it was my home and he loved it. Again, no bitterness here.

Also doesn't TX waive the state tax for active duty military?

539 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:48pm

re: #485 itellu3times

Are we doing this again?

I was going to take a wack at "stating the hypothesis" of ID here, but need more time. Back when I can. Hope it's all settled before then.

Something along the lines of, "ID hypothesizes there is a way to make a new species, and evolution CANNOT be it."

Why is this so hard?

540 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:20pm

re: #491 SeafoodGumbo

Did you see this pic? I wonder if Obama's site really was hacked...

I also like this one, not a bad pic, but the filename is "molesters.jpg"

Progressive!

541 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:30pm

re: #520 buckykat
I recently saw a symbol like your avatar on the back of a SUV in a parking lot. What does it mean?

542 medaura18586  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:30pm

re:#494 Abu Boo Boo

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.

And what kind of empirical experiment could disprove the audacious hypothesis that are aspects of life appear to require forethought? What is not falsifiable lies outside the realms of science. Period.

Good grief!

Listening to people like you on this forum and elsewhere has taken its toll of cognitive dissonance on me.

Conclusions are important, but even more important are the arguments and assumptions that led to any conclusion.

We likely agree on the imminent threat posed by radical Islam, but while I see it as a corrosive acid eating at my secular freedoms, some people see it in many ways as a rival ideological klan to their own (admittedly more modest) ambitions of religious theocracy in the school and/or in the courts.

We likely agree that man-made global warming is a scam, but judging from the sense of understanding of scientific theory and method that people like you display, I wonder how they came to such conclusion! Could it be that they don't understand, much less consider, the science (or lack thereof) behind it and just outright dismiss it because it is an inconvenient proposition (much like evolution)?

If you can't understand that evolution makes for great science, I doubt you can understand why global warming makes for awful science.

I don't care so much about agreeing on conclusions, but rather the principles behind them, and I regretfully feel very out of touch with a lot of people here.

543 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:31pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup
Why yes they do.

544 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:32pm

re: #533 Sunlight

Wait.. how do you do this? I've got this thread and a Spy window (with everything scrolling) open... I don't see how to change what is scrolling in - ?

Don't do it in the Spy window. Do it from the front page, at the bottom of the post whose comments you want to watch.

545 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:43:57pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup
There is no state tax, BTW

546 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:04pm

re: #497 Sunlight

Did you see the chart Powerline has put up showing the near triviality of our maligned "Big Oil", which some of the dems want to punish and maybe nationalize, as compared to the already-nationalized international oil companies?
[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Well, that's a little misleading. If you chart who controls sales of oil and gas in the US, I'm pretty sure most of imported oil comes via the big oil companies, so they are our interface to the "reserves". There are no Saudi Oil gas stations (what a concept, hey?).

But me, I'm not asking who right now, only how much?

547 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:16pm

re: #512 anti-social(ism)

That's terrible that someone would take them straight to the BBC.

I know. The article says that the BBC checked with their legal department before deciding not to release them. But you know they wanted to, badly. Sad state of affairs.

548 Gagdad Bob  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:25pm

Abu Boo Boo:

As someone who is sympathetic to your position, you must bear in mind that Darwinism is science. It's not as if it is reality.

549 Armywife  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:58pm

re: #545 Armywife

There is no state tax, BTW


State Income Tax, I mean. Just to be clear in this series of posts.

550 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:45:25pm

re: #505 Charles

Again, you're demonstrating only one thing: you don't understand the meaning of the term "scientific hypothesis."

I'm disappointed that all of your responses on this issue boil down to "it's a ruse" or "you are ignorant."

I can provide many examples of scientific hypotheses that turned out to be true, and many that turned out to be false. Many of the false ones seem ridiculus now, but most scientists believed them at the time, such as the "luminiferous ether."

Unfortunately, I have to go for now. I'm sorry if mentioning Friedman's book was offensive. I admire what you've done here. Again, my only point is opposition to dogmatic science.

551 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:45:42pm

re: #545 Armywife

There is no state tax, BTW

Well that does make it easier I guess. There are states that do waive the state tax for active duty. I actually think NY does .

552 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:45:51pm

re: #516 Kenneth

Also regionally, Romney brings in Massachusetts' electoral college votes too.


I strongly doubt it.
I lived in MA when Romney was governor.
He doesn't command the sort of popularity that would swing that HEAVILY Democrat state (65% last election, IIRC) Republican.

553 medaura18586  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:46:33pm

Abu,

We also likely agree in general terms about academic freedom or freedom of thought in general, but it is one thing to me (i.e the free market of ideas, where bad 'products' go obsolete and bad ideas go out of business) , and another thing to you, who claim with indignation a right to being spared from "Stalinist Censorship/Criticism"

554 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:46:44pm

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I feel like barking, to break the seriousness.

[Link: www.lolcats.com...]

555 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:47:39pm

re: #528 Nevergiveup

How so? I mean I think after he left office, they both took up residency in NY. Now were they both actually slept is a whole other story.

/

556 anti-social(ism)  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:48:19pm

re: #547 SasquatchOnSteroids

If it'd been most any MSM outlet here, we'd all be looking at .pdf's right now.

557 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:48:24pm

i wish religion could make a come back in this country, just not in the science class room.
god knows we need it.

558 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:48:44pm

re: #529 Kenneth

As a matter of fact, I am conducting that first experiment right now. I'll call you in 20,000 years and let you know how it's going.

The answer is 42, but you didn't remember to phrase the question.

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:48:47pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.

With respect, I've always been leery of that statement. (As already said, above, it is NOT a hypothesis.)

It's just a feeling with me, a personal opinion, but I think those who think that THEIR species required forethought might be just a wee tad too full of themselves.

I've been hammered into -- or, at least, toward -- humility a time or two in my life. Perhaps I'm paranoid of falling into the trap of hubris.

560 medaura18586  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:49:16pm

re: #550 Abu Boo Boo

I'm disappointed that all of your responses on this issue boil down to "it's a ruse" or "you are ignorant."

I can provide many examples of scientific hypotheses that turned out to be true, and many that turned out to be false. .

Well. you freshly proved for the nth time that you don't understand the meaning of 'scientific hypothesis'.

It can never be proved true. Only false.

The problem of induction...

At the risk of sounding cocky, I would recommend to not get yourself into arguments way over your head. You call for scientists to be humble when exploring the mechanisms of life. Well, I call for you to be more humble when discussing science.

561 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:49:44pm

re: #527 Kosh's Shadow

You will be responsible for understanding the scientific theories and the evidence supporting them, whether you believe them or not.


It is good you qualified your textbook statement by saying "or something like it", for it does get a bit tangled when one is required to understand something he knows isn't truth. :)

562 Empire1  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:25pm

re: #527 Kosh's Shadow

Oh, I like that!

563 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #531 Armywife

I could with AH. He has retained his Texas citizenship because he is active duty. I have had to become a *spit* Maryland citizen. What is not fair about this scenario is AH is from Friggin Vermont! He changed his home of record when we lived there because it was my home and he loved it. Again, no bitterness here.

lol

564 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

Through the history of science, ideologues of one kind or another have attempted to bend science to their dogma. The Aristotelian natural philosophers, in alliance with religious fundamentalists tried to silence Galileo. The Communists tried to co-opt the term "scientific" to apply to their illogical & inhuman ideas about economics and society. The Nazis perverted science in their absurdly unscientific notions of eugenics & the Master Race.

And Intelligent Design activists are the intellectual heir to those same ideologues. They use the terminology of science and pretend to create scientific arguments to buttress what are essentially anti-scientific pre-formed religious ideas.

565 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:48pm

The PLATYPUS!

Wipes out any notion of Intelligent Design...Don't do much for the theory of Evolution, either.

566 Egfrow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:50pm

A presidential candidate made by the Media can be Destroyed by the Media. Once Barrack understands his disposition will change. He must constantly tow the Liberal Leftist agenda or be destroyed. He will die of a broken heart once he believes he has real power.

567 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:50:57pm

re: #527 Kosh's Shadow

I'll put my 2 cents in.

I think the following statement, or something like it, should be in textbooks that teach evolution, the Big Bang, etc.:

There is nothing in the scientific theories presented here that prove or disprove the existence of a Creator. They show how events occurred, not why.
It is possible that a Creator directed these events, but that is not a scientific question, as it cannot be proven or disproven.
Feel free to discuss with your parents and religious figures how to reconcile the evidence given here with your particular creation story; there are many books on the subject that reconcile scientific evidence with religion. However, such discussion should take place outside the school.
You will be responsible for understanding the scientific theories and the evidence supporting them, whether you believe them or not.

There are not enough dings in the universe for your idea. YES.
GO TALK TO YOUR FOLKS ABOUT THIS STUFF! ITS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW. Then figure out how what you learned fits into your worldview.
Full Stop.
Seriously. How hard can it be?

Then mom and dad can tell you its bunk, tell you perhaps thats how G-d did it, or that G-d doesnt mess with little stuff like details. Up to parents and religious figures to Splain CAUSE THATS THEIR JOB!
(My adopted kid is 20. I answered and answer all kinds of questions like this. It is my honour and pleasure to do so)

568 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:51:26pm

re: #556 anti-social(ism)

If it'd been most any MSM outlet here, we'd all be looking at .pdf's right now.

You got that right. Ding

569 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:51:43pm

re: #558 Mars Needs Neocons

The answer is 42, but you didn't remember to phrase the question.

Have towel, will travel.

570 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:51:48pm

re: #565 M. Bensson-Levi

The PLATYPUS!

Wipes out any notion of Intelligent Design...Don't do much for the theory of Evolution, either.

Au contraire. I figure it shows that G-d has a sense of humor.

571 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:52:06pm

re: #546 itellu3times


But me, I'm not asking who right now, only how much?

I'm asking who because we are being basically blackmailed by our own volition. Also because our (and the international) demand is causing a breakdown of order (and loss of life) in some places (Africa, etc.). So to me the "how much" is secondary to the "who" being ourselves producing our own energy.

572 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:52:07pm

re: #565 M. Bensson-Levi

The PLATYPUS!

Wipes out any notion of Intelligent Design...Don't do much for the theory of Evolution, either.

Oh, that just PROVES that God enjoys a good joke! :)

573 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:52:39pm

re: #548 Gagdad Bob

Abu Boo Boo:

As someone who is sympathetic to your position, you must bear in mind that Darwinism is science. It's not as if it is reality.

(-:
Do I hear wisdom it that?!
(-:

574 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:53:58pm

re: #565 M. Bensson-Levi

The PLATYPUS!

Wipes out any notion of Intelligent Design...Don't do much for the theory of Evolution, either.

Wrong vis. evolution. Platypus fills an ecological niche, or it wouldn't have evolved to suit.

575 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:54:07pm

re: #569 CanadianBacon

Have towel, will travel.

You are one Hoopy frood.

576 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:54:19pm

re: #570 rightymouse

Au contraire. I figure it shows that G-d has a sense of humor.

Or is a crack addict.

577 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:54:41pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

But as someone deeply involved in the history of science, I know that great science requires total freedom of thought, and that throughout history science has been held back by science orthodoxy.

Lurking from my dark corner...I have to tell you the debate over "evolution" and "global warming " is over, and closed.

But, I agree with you...just cause you call it "science" doesn't make it so. Evolution wasn't even good science, back in the 19th century , where it came from...imho.

578 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:54:43pm

re: #576 M. Bensson-Levi


Or is a crack addict.


Why is that?

579 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:54:57pm

re: #544 wrenchwench

Don't do it in the Spy window. Do it from the front page, at the bottom of the post whose comments you want to watch.

Excellent! It works! Thanks.

580 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:55:01pm

re: #524 Yankee Division Son

I like all the pics of Barack named "barry***.jpg"

The set of pictures of Obama with Future Farmers of America, especially this one of him on a tractor, are especially funny.

Obama :Tractor :: Dukakis : Tank

581 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:55:02pm

re: #554 goddessoftheclassroom

[Link: www.lolcats.com...]

(-:
The dog is obviously thinking ... "This is a disgrace. When can I bite this little sucker?"

582 buckykat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:55:10pm

re: #541 snowcrash

OM. Chanting Om is common in yoga class. It's not religious, although ancient yogis believed such a chant reverberated through the body of mankind and was healing. For me it's a symbol of my devotion to yoga.

583 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:55:25pm

File this under: Why Our Public Schools are FAILING?

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

584 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:56:16pm

re: #581 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(-:
The dog is obviously thinking ... "This is a disgrace. When can I bite this little sucker?"


No, he's thinking, "OMG, I can't believe she's deigned to lower herself to be in the same photo as I am!"

/jeez, and I try to be nice (for once)...

585 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:56:22pm

Charles...laugh.

It helps...I think. lol

586 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:57:11pm

We should have a BUS pool.
Who gets to inspect the undercarriage next ?

587 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:00pm

re: #576 M. Bensson-Levi


Or is a crack addict.

classy. not.

588 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:05pm

re: #578 rightymouse

Why is that?

I thought that would be obvious !...at least to the cognoscenti...and the folks in Bayonne.

589 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:05pm

re: #575 Karagush

You are one Hoopy frood.

Only by accident. See, I was trying to learn how to fly but I couldn't forget to fall...

590 Attaboid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:46pm

re: #554 goddessoftheclassroom

Coll for cats.

591 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:52pm

re: #583 Nevergiveup

File this under: Why Our Public Schools are FAILING?

[Link: www.nysun.com...]


I don't know but having a dad in the home makes for a more prosperous home and a more disciplined home.
Moms can yell all day, but Dad only has to say it ONCE.
(for the most part, at least in my day)

592 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:59:02pm

Science explores new ideas, tests theories, observes the measurable universe, rejects failed hypotheses and continually updates itself.

Dogma is always dogma. It never grows, never examines itself, never compares its assumptions to the real world & never rejects failed ideas. Dogma remains constant.

ID is a dogma that pretends it is a science.

593 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:59:03pm

re: #584 goddessoftheclassroom

No, he's thinking, "OMG, I can't believe she's deigned to lower herself to be in the same photo as I am!"

/jeez, and I try to be nice (for once)...

ROFL!

594 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:59:42pm

re: #588 M. Bensson-Levi


I thought that would be obvious !...at least to the cognoscenti...and the folks in Bayonne.


If you say so.

595 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:12pm

re: #583 Nevergiveup

File this under: Why Our Public Schools are FAILING?

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

what i wanna know is why they call on SHARPTON instead of Cosby? We all know its cause Achievement is considered "acting white" and that until being well spoken and doing well in school is considered just "good for you and your life" they will continue to fail.

596 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:18pm

re: #584 goddessoftheclassroom

And while I'm at it ... MWAH
(-:

597 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:47pm

re: #584 goddessoftheclassroom

No, he's thinking, "OMG, I can't believe she's deigned to lower herself to be in the same photo as I am!"

/jeez, and I try to be nice (for once)...

My take is that the ol' yeller dawg is thinking: "Please don't take a picture, 'cause somebody'll post it on the new and then everyone will see and it'll ruin my rep."

And now you've gone and done it. Feel better now?

598 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:50pm
599 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:50pm

Evolution thread!

600 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:58pm

re: #550 Abu Boo Boo


Unfortunately, I have to go for now. I'm sorry if mentioning Friedman's book was offensive. I admire what you've done here. Again, my only point is opposition to dogmatic science.


That wasn't your only point.

You said ID was [just] another hypothesis.

So, what is the hypothesis?

I submit to you that you can't state one, because "intelligent design" by its very nature is a faith-based belief intrinsically untestable by the scientific method. Its simply not science and trying to lump it in with science is not only wrong. but deceptive.

If you disagree, feel free to prove me wrong by stating the testable hypothesis that you believe underlies intelligent design.

Also, positing that evolution is unproven, or even proving it partially or completely wrong, doesn't yield scientific support for ID.

601 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:01:46pm

re: #580 SeafoodGumbo

The set of pictures of Obama with Future Farmers of America, especially this one of him on a tractor, are especially funny.

Obama :Tractor :: Dukakis : Tank

LOL. He looks so out of place. Someone said three-point hitch and he's wondering when they started allowing three people to marry.

602 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:28pm

re: #598 buzzsawmonkey

G-d designed evolution, and he sent the platypus the bill.


lol!

603 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:42pm

re: #596 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And while I'm at it ... MWAH
(-:

{pre-Boomer Marine brat}

604 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:43pm

re: #582 buckykat
Thanks. It was amazing to see that symbol twice when I never saw it before. Trite but true, learn something new every day!

605 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:59pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Evolution thread!

Uh oh, we've aroused the sleeping giant!

BTW, have you moved yet? If so, how did it go with the lathe?

606 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:03:58pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Evolution thread!

Personally I never really evolved no matter how much my wife has tried and I do not intend to. But that's just me.

607 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:01pm

re: #583 Nevergiveup

File this under: Why Our Public Schools are FAILING?

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

Never, you don't think the government can fix this? Just kidding.

My kids go to a small public school. In which 95% of all white, black, brown, yellow and purple children are high achievers. Sharpton and Klein need to work on the attitudes and environment and stop playing the blame game.

608 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:05pm

re: #585 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Charles...laugh.

It helps...I think. lol

See, that's the problem - I don't think there's anything funny about the intelligent design hoax. I think it's tragically sad that people are being tricked by this nonsense.

609 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:07pm

re: #586 SasquatchOnSteroids

We should have a BUS pool.
Who gets to inspect the undercarriage next ?

Is that the new job description for everyone BO throws into the memory hole? Congratulations, (new embarrassment here), you've been promoted to "Mass Transit Undercarriage Inspector". Now leave quietly and don't let the door hit you on the ass...

610 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:13pm

re: #597 CanadianBacon

My take is that the ol' yeller dawg is thinking: "Please don't take a picture, 'cause somebody'll post it on the new and then everyone will see and it'll ruin my rep."

And now you've gone and done it. Feel better now?

LOL!

/Dogs have "reps"?

611 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:22pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Y'know, Killgore, I posted a science link up in the spinoffs earlier today, and without me saying a word to my son, he immediately thought you were the first to down ding it... :)

612 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:05:21pm

re: #607 jorline

Never, you don't think the government can fix this? Just kidding.

My kids go to a small public school. In which 95% of all white, black, brown, yellow and purple children are high achievers. Sharpton and Klein need to work on the attitudes and environment and stop playing the blame game.

Not if their asking Sharpie Sharpton for help?

613 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:05:22pm

re: #605 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, have you moved yet?


I'm starting to have second thoughts about moving. The housing market is so bad that I'm worried that I won't be able to sell my house is the market gets much worse. I don't want to be one of those irresponsible schmucks that goes into foreclosure for being stupid.

614 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:05:39pm

re: #594 rightymouse

If you say so.

Good. Keep that foremost in your mind, and you'll never go wrong.

615 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:06:00pm

re: #601 SasquatchOnSteroids

LOL. He looks so out of place. Someone said three-point hitch and he's wondering when they started allowing three people to marry.

Gives double-clutching a whole new meaning too.

616 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:06:58pm

re: #606 Nevergiveup

Personally I never really evolved no matter how much my wife has tried and I do not intend to. But that's just me.

You realize, don't you, that you're tempting the Flames Of Hell by saying that.

617 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:06:58pm

re: #598 buzzsawmonkey

G-d designed evolution, and he sent the platypus the bill.

LOL! Good one. :-)

618 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:07:19pm

re: #494 Abu Boo Boo

The hypothesis is that there are some aspects of life that appear to require forethought.

How can you prove something like that? You can't. You find a rock on the ground. Can you prove it *required* forethought to be there, in that shape? Can you prove the opposite? That's not a valid scientific hypothesis.

Neither do I think that's what ID proposes. It proposes the (unprovable) negative hypothesis that it CANNOT have been a series of small changes that produced X. It proposes the positive hypothesis that intelligence WAS USED, not that it HAD TO BE USED. In a very great stretch, perhaps it could be proved that intelligence WAS USED, but to prove it, you're going to have to show it, not just hypothesize it.

Which makes the ID project pretty much non-scientific, until the diety shows up and does a demonstration. And that would make it valid science?
Paradoxical, hey.

619 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:07:21pm

re: #610 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

/Dogs have "reps"?

Interweb-capable dogs do. Cats haven't caught on yet - they're waiting to see if this is all just another fad, like evolutionary theory.

620 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:14pm

re: #611 Ma Sands

Heh, no I hadn't seen it yet. But now that I've looked...The Creation Institute again? Aren't those the same folks who sent the emial about Neanderthals being humans punished with rickets by god for building the Tower of Babylon?
/Dinged.

621 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:28pm

At BarkingMoonbat,
7 Arrested for Cheering at High School Graduations

When school officials in Rock Hill, South Carolina, tell graduation ceremony crowds to hold their applause until the end, they mean it — Police arrested seven people after they were accused of loud cheering during the ceremonies.

Six people at Fort Mill High School’s graduation were charged Saturday and a seventh at the graduation for York Comprehensive High School was charged Friday with disorderly conduct, authorities said. Police said the seven yelled after students’ names were called.

“I just thought they were going to escort me out,” Jonathan Orr told The Herald of Rock Hill. “I had no idea they were going to put andcuffs on me and take me to jail.”

From cheering a graduate to booing a candidate, how big a step?

622 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:55pm

re: #613 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I bet the remodeling turned out really well didn't it? LOL

623 Racer X  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:59pm

I just realized something - beer is now cheaper than gas.

Drink, Don't Drive!

624 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:12pm

re: #610 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

/Dogs have "reps"?

(ooo, she's just ASKIN' for it!)
*pads silently around the far end of the couch*
*tiptoes slowly ... slowly ...*

625 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:27pm

re: #616 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You realize, don't you, that you're tempting the Flames Of Hell by saying that.

You know my wife?

626 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:41pm

re: #614 M. Bensson-Levi



Good. Keep that foremost in your mind, and you'll never go wrong.

Sure.

627 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:43pm

re: #558 Mars Needs Neocons

The answer is 42, but you didn't remember to phrase the question.

The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
// {;-)™

628 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:44pm

re: #540 Yankee Division Son

I also like this one, not a bad pic, but the filename is "molesters.jpg"

Progressive!

They also call Hillary "filthqueen."

If you haven't tried it, you can change the URL to look at different months and years.

Is this one of Jimmy Carte laying a wreath at Arafat's grave?

629 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:09:44pm

re: #607 jorline

Never, you don't think the government can fix this? Just kidding.

My kids go to a small public school. In which 95% of all white, black, brown, yellow and purple children are high achievers. Sharpton and Klein need to work on the attitudes and environment and stop playing the blame game.

I always get prickly when anyone, even dear Lizards, state that public schools are failing as a generalization. There are too many variables for a blanket condemnation.

One of the most important is parental expectations for student behavior and achievement.

Without that, even the most dedicated teacher will not get too far with the kids. Fourteen of my 9th graders failed English for the YEAR.

630 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:10:14pm

re: #622 snowcrash

The kitchen is fantastic! Granite countertops and real light fixtures! I've been cooking under a single bare bulb for the past 8 years.

631 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:08pm

re: #608 Charles

See, that's the problem - I don't think there's anything funny about the intelligent design hoax. I think it's tragically sad that people are being tricked by this nonsense.

Its a fig-leaf for preserving a fundamentalist belief into the 21st century. That's all.

(When I say "fundamentalist", I mean those who believe in the literal truth of their respective scripture).

Intelligent design is attractive, because its simple. "A made B". To understand it, you don't have to know anything about genetics, selection, populations, DNA, or a thousand other topics that are complicated and require considerable effort to master.

Personally, I think there are FAR more harmful and pernicious beliefs than "intelligent design".

I just don't want to see what is essentially a religious (or faith-based) belief lumped into the category of science, which is supposed to be entirely objective (or at least as objective as possible). Its insulting to science to call ID "science".

632 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:11pm

re: #620 Killgore Trout

Aren't those the same folks who sent the emial about Neanderthals being humans punished with rickets by god for building the Tower of Babylon?


Link? :)

633 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:28pm
634 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:55pm

re: #613 Killgore Trout

I'm starting to have second thoughts about moving. The housing market is so bad that I'm worried that I won't be able to sell my house is the market gets much worse. I don't want to be one of those irresponsible schmucks that goes into foreclosure for being stupid.

(Being in an apartment and blisfully unaware) ... it sounds like you're touching the proper bases. Good luck, long term, with the goals you have.

635 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:12pm

re: #623 Racer X

I just realized something - beer is now cheaper than gas.

Drink, Don't Drive!

LMAO...damn you racer.

636 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:31pm

re: #619 CanadianBacon

Interweb-capable dogs do. Cats haven't caught on yet - they're waiting to see if this is all just another fad, like evolutionary theory.

Oh, bravo! :)

[Link: www.lolcats.com...]

637 Gagdad Bob  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:41pm

What is truly sad and tragic is that spiritually untutored human beings can fall for a scientistic ideology that is so immensely beneath the scope of man's intellect. The majesty of man's intellect -- including his ability to know absolute truth, not to mention the ability to produce timeless beauty -- is more than sufficient to disprove any reductionistic ideology, for it is self-evident except to the willfully blind.

638 rightymouse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:46pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Was the kitchen intelligently designed, or did it evolve?


Yer killing me here. lol!

639 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:56pm

re: #620 Killgore Trout

P.S. you weren't up there long enough to have read the article...you oughta --it's fascinating!

640 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:13:04pm

re: #630 Killgore Trout

The kitchen is fantastic! Granite countertops and real light fixtures! I've been cooking under a single bare bulb for the past 8 years.

I just did the same thing. After the pain is over I can hardly stand how cool my house now is. I bought this place as a fixer upper five years ago, and lived in it till now Un-fixed up. Now i wonder how the heck i did it!

641 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:13:06pm

By the way, radical Islamists are also very opposed to the theory of evolution, and very big on their own version of "intelligent design." It's something that Islamofascists and far-right religious fanatics have in common.

642 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:13:21pm

re: #560 medaura18586

At the risk of sounding cocky...

You've come a long way. ;)

BTW, your calendar on your blog is off by six days.

643 Kirly  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:14:09pm

must every fucking thread devolve into yet another discussion of intelligent design? sheesh!

back to the lounge i guess.

644 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:14:29pm

re: #639 Ma Sands

I skimmed through just as a goof but I've seen that stuff before. Not impressed.

645 ballantrae  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:14:37pm

really cool work on LGF Spy charles.

If you read this and have the time, I'd like to ask you a question - why do you prefer to use php over languages like python on ruby?

-ron

646 medaura18586  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:15:25pm

re: #642 Noam Sayin'

huh? I have a calendar on my blog?

647 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:15:59pm

re: #618 itellu3times

How can you prove something like that? You can't. You find a rock on the ground. Can you prove it *required* forethought to be there, in that shape? Can you prove the opposite? That's not a valid scientific hypothesis.

Neither do I think that's what ID proposes. It proposes the (unprovable) negative hypothesis that it CANNOT have been a series of small changes that produced X. It proposes the positive hypothesis that intelligence WAS USED, not that it HAD TO BE USED. In a very great stretch, perhaps it could be proved that intelligence WAS USED, but to prove it, you're going to have to show it, not just hypothesize it.

Which makes the ID project pretty much non-scientific, until the diety shows up and does a demonstration. And that would make it valid science?
Paradoxical, hey.

The problem is that even if the unspoken hypothesis of ID WERE in fact true (that every extant species on the plant was created 6000 years ago ex nihilo by the Judeo-Christian diety described in the Old Testament), that **STILL** wouldn't DISPROVE evolution.

Even if God physically molded the first man from dirt and blew life into his nostrils, that still doesn't mean that species A can't turn into species B given the appropriate time and pressures.

648 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:16:35pm

re: #643 Kirly

must every fucking thread devolve into yet another discussion of intelligent design? sheesh!

back to the lounge i guess.

Not to split hairs here, but the "fucking" threads devolve into discussion of evolution - that's how it works. The ID threads devolve into interminable planning sessions.

So back to the lounge with you.

649 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:03pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Was the kitchen intelligently designed, or did it evolve?

Yes, Killgore! The Lizard Army Wants To Know!

(ROFLMAO, buzzsaw)

650 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #637 Gagdad Bob

Are you assuming scientists believe they offer an alternative to spiritual truth?

651 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:14pm

re: #631 looking closely

Personally, I think there are FAR more harmful and pernicious beliefs than "intelligent design".

Absolutely, there's a lot worse stuff. But accepting an anti-science idea like "intelligent design" is just one more step on the road to America's total irrelevance in the arena of scientific achievement.

652 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:42pm

re: #641 Charles

Don Richardson realized, some several decades ago, something that, upon reading of it, I got my missionary heart revolutionized: that in every religion on earth, there is a germ still left of the truth it descended from... :)

653 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:18:06pm

re: #636 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, bravo! :)

[Link: www.lolcats.com...]

ROFLMAO!

654 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:20:07pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout

At the end of the article, is the notice of the conference where the guy is going to lay it all out...it's not too far from you --whyn't you go, and set him straight? :)

655 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:20:45pm

re: #647 looking closely

The problem is that even if the unspoken hypothesis of ID WERE in fact true (that every extant species on the plant was created 6000 years ago ex nihilo by the Judeo-Christian diety described in the Old Testament), that **STILL** wouldn't DISPROVE evolution.

Even if God physically molded the first man from dirt and blew life into his nostrils, that still doesn't mean that species A can't turn into species B given the appropriate time and pressures.

True, true. Can't prove a negative hypothesis. Prove you have never been married, where's the certificate that says so?

What offends me about ID is that it avoids the question. Science may be right or wrong, but it tries.

656 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:20:53pm

re: #629 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the most important is parental expectations for student behavior and achievement.

I agree goddess, it all starts at home. Some in society expect the teacher and school should help raise their children as well.

They should go back the it was when I was in school...act up and you get your ass whipped by the coach. He carried a whittled down baseball bat.

657 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:22:25pm

re: #651 Charles

Absolutely, there's a lot worse stuff. But accepting an anti-science idea like "intelligent design" is just one more step on the road to America's total irrelevance in the arena of scientific achievement.

With respect, I think that's a bit of an over-reaction, but I can understand (from personal experience) how and why you feel that way. And that's not meant in the slightest to sound patronizing.

658 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:23:11pm

re: #630 Killgore Trout
Sounds really nice to be in and probably adds real value to the house. The TV home shows say kitchens and bathrooms sell the house.

659 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #344 Typicalwhitey

Charles (or anyone who knows)
What does the LGF spy thing do?
Help a bro...uh whitey out.

It's a two-way monitoring system that allows Charles to use your monitor to see what you're doing.

Put some pants on.

660 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:25:24pm

re: #653 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO!

Just for especially for you!

661 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:26:10pm

re: #651 Charles

Absolutely, there's a lot worse stuff. But accepting an anti-science idea like "intelligent design" is just one more step on the road to America's total irrelevance in the arena of scientific achievement.


I think accepting ID as science is harmful.

You didn't say it. . .but I also think that the relatively small minority of rabid ID proponents are not helpful to the "cause" of mainstreaming political Conservatism (to a non-fundamentalist majority).

But I disagree with the latter conclusion. So long as it isn't mainstreamed, considered "science" and/or taught to kids in place of science, America will do just fine. Creationism has been around for a pretty long time, and American scientific accomplishment has survived it.

662 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:26:24pm

re: #660 goddessoftheclassroom

Just for especially for you!

663 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:27:38pm

G'nite, all - it's been fun makin' fun. Watch yer bobber, now.

664 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:28:21pm
665 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:28:24pm

re: #662 goddessoftheclassroom

Third time's a charm:


more cat pictures

666 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:29:35pm

re: #661 looking closely

I think accepting ID as science is harmful.

You didn't say it. . .but I also think that the relatively small minority of rabid ID proponents are not helpful to the "cause" of mainstreaming political Conservatism (to a non-fundamentalist majority).

But I disagree with the latter conclusion. So long as it isn't mainstreamed, considered "science" and/or taught to kids in place of science, America will do just fine. Creationism has been around for a pretty long time, and American scientific accomplishment has survived it.

Well, that's my point. There's a concerted effort to "mainstream" this nonsense. Luckily, up til now their efforts have been stopped in the courts, but when even people like Bobby Jindal are supporting ID there's a serious problem here.

667 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:31:56pm

re: #660 goddessoftheclassroom

Just for especially for you!

Then I shall be gentle and NOT post what ... er ... (ahem!) ... my alter ego was going to do around the far end of the couch.

/discretion sometimes being the greatest part of survival

668 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:32:21pm

re: #646 medaura18586

huh? I have a calendar on my blog?

Oops. My bad. Where you show "May 17" I was thinking June 17. I'm kinda thick like that, sometimes.

669 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:32:39pm

Other pics from the wonkette files:

baracksogay.jpg
clintonbored.jpg
obamaglasses.jpg

670 medaura18586  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:15pm

re: #668 Noam Sayin'

Ha, I wish I updated that often.

671 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:19pm

re: #667 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then I shall be gentle and NOT post what ... er ... (ahem!) ... my alter ego was going to do around the far end of the couch.

/discretion sometimes being the greatest part of survival

Will my curiosity kill me? i do have another 8 or so lives...

672 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:31pm

re: #665 goddessoftheclassroom

Third time's a charm:


more cat pictures

See, now THIS cat gets it. She's praying to the all-powerful Dog God.

(Either that or she's cleaning his ear with a Q-Tip.)

673 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:40:01pm

re: #671 goddessoftheclassroom

Will my curiosity kill me? i do have another 8 or so lives...

Oh! Cool! Then I won't tell you, and maybe we can do this again ... and again ...

674 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:41:00pm

re: #673 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh! Cool! Then I won't tell you, and maybe we can do this again ... and again ...

Oh, you're cruel!

675 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:41:43pm
Who's your rebel!
676 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:41:44pm

Somewhat OT

About Hypotheses...Generally speaking hypotheses are going to be related to statistics and you'll have one or more variables (and you're arguing that there is some sort of relationship between these variables...then, you test your hypothesis...but you must state prior to the test what your criterion for success is...Soo, your "null" hypothesis is a statement for the status quo (no change), while the experimental hypothesis will state that there will be a change (positive or negative). there are criterion for making a "good" hypothesis: 1) The hypothesis will state the expected relationship between two or more variables 2) The researcher will be able to show why the hypothesis is worthy of testing -- that is, be able to state the reasons for having the hypothesis tested, based on a theory 3) The hypothesis must be testable 4) The hypothesis should be stated in a clear and concise fashion. (I don't see any way to state an ID hypothesis and satisfy these four criteria.

677 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:16pm

There is a quote coming to mind...wonder where I saw it recently?...


The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.

— William Blake

678 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:37pm

re: #674 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, you're cruel!

Okay, I'll have pity upon you. It was going to have something to do with the lifting of a leg upon the sleeping kitty. I hadn't figured out how to choreograph my being thrown bodily into the back yard by the Master.

679 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:54pm

re: #666 Charles

Well, that's my point. There's a concerted effort to "mainstream" this nonsense. Luckily, up til now their efforts have been stopped in the courts, but when even people like Bobby Jindal are supporting ID there's a serious problem here.


I don't think its entirely a matter of luck that this effort hasn't been entirely successful. Most Americans simply don't accept ID, or at least concede that faith-based beliefs aren't science and shouldn't be taught as such.

If prayer can be banned from the public schools, how is ID going to get in there nationally speaking?

Also, you can at least rest comfortably that there are pretty large parts of the country (eg the Northeast) where ID is derided. Intelligent design in Massachusetts classrooms? I don't think so.

680 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:46:13pm

re: #666 Charles


I just noticed that your anti-ID post happens to be #666. . .

/COINCIDENCE?

681 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:46:14pm

re: #534 goddessoftheclassroom

That is brilliant, I'll be using this one again.

682 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:46:31pm

re: #677 Roger

I gotta read some Blake. Some people have been posting some very good quotes from him lately.

683 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:47:47pm

re: #681 sngnsgt

That is brilliant, I'll be using this one again.

Be sure to credit buckycat--I was complimenting him (or her) for posting it!

684 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:50:21pm

re: #678 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay, I'll have pity upon you. It was going to have something to do with the lifting of a leg upon the sleeping kitty. I hadn't figured out how to choreograph my being thrown bodily into the back yard by the Master.


And this is what would happen later when you were napping on the sofa:

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

685 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:50:39pm

re: #680 looking closely

I just noticed that your anti-ID post happens to be #666. . .

/COINCIDENCE?

We're doomed.

686 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:51:00pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

I gotta read some Blake. Some people have been posting some very good quotes from him lately.

William Blake is one of my favorite poets, even though Roger was obviously trying to zing me with that one.

It cuts both ways, Roger.

687 brownmear  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:51:00pm

Sort of a reason to keep state and religion separated. Or in this case, keep science and religion separated. I believe in creationism, and I believe intelligent design is an end around to try and get creationism in school.

I am an engineer and have always had to live with scientific fact. It hasn't changed my beliefs. One is faith, one is provable facts, or hypotheses.

My earliest experience was in a fairly low grade in Catholic school. A picture bible showing the creation of the earth. The pictures showed G_d creating the lions and the tigers, the bears and the sheep. It kind of puzzled me because I was pretty sure dinosaurs came before these kind of animals. So I asked the nun about the whole sequence of events. The answer was not exactly informative but I was pretty sure that it was a sin to talk about science in a Catholic school.

Since then my faith is one thing and my scientific knowledge is another. I try not to mix the two.

688 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:51:45pm

re: #685 Charles

LOL!

689 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:54:06pm

re: #684 goddessoftheclassroom

And this is what would happen later when you were napping on the sofa:

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

ROFL

(with a mouthful of supper, no less -- fortunately, the carpet-cleaners are coming tomorrow.)

690 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:55:35pm

re: #623 Racer X

I just realized something - beer is now cheaper than gas.

Drink, Don't Drive!

Now there's a theory I can get on board with!

691 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:55:46pm

re: #677 Roger

Brilliant!

692 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:57:35pm

re: #686 Charles

William Blake is one of my favorite poets, even though Roger was obviously trying to zing me with that one.

It cuts both ways, Roger.


Lol! Glad you got it:-) And it does. There are few people I would want in my foxhole on this one!

693 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:57:46pm

{goddess}
I've gotta go, stuff to do. Have a great evening! Thanks for the grins and laughs.

Charles,
*thumbs up* and *salute*
Thanks for Little Green Footballs!

694 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:05:55pm

A question I didn't answer earlier...

In science, a hypothesis can be anything from a hunch to a highly educated guess.

Many great scientific discoveries were based on hunches. Michael Faraday, one of the greatest experimentalists, believed that light and magnetism are related. He had no factual evidence. He spent twenty years trying to prove it--and finally did.

Einstein's theory of relativity was based on the insight or belief that the speed of light is constant. His theory introduced no other new facts--it was just a different explanation of the Michelson-Morley experiment. ...Different than the FitzGerald-Lorentz theory that was based on the same facts. Einstein had no facts to prove the speed of light is constant--but he believed his theory was more elegant.

695 Tamron  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:06:25pm

re: #651 Charles


"...accepting an anti-science idea like "intelligent design" is just one more step on the road to America's total irrelevance in the arena of scientific achievement."

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, however.

After the delightful experience of living with a gifted artist for the past 9 years, I've learned to moderate my previous convictions and strict thinking habits regarding the relationship between (and priorities of) science and art. Art and creativity are actually senior, in the overall scheme of things. --And some exceptional individuals actually ARE THEMSELVES a work of art in their beingness, their lifestyle, and their very personality, so I'm not necessarily talking of a painting or a sculpture or a book or the like.

Along the same lines, some exceptional scientists exist who treat their hobbies and professions as a work of art, and so by definition they too are artists, because others look at who they are and what they've done, and admire the nebulous 'art' quality that they see.

That said, if everyone posting on this thread supposes that everyone else is a strict scientist, then have at it, but I suspect that there are a few less-structured artist or philosopher type of minds posting here who have been having some accidental or deliberate fun with the more-structured scientist-types. It's apples and oranges.

I'm fond of George Burn's statement in the movie Oh God: "You think it's easy being God, YOU try making a fish!"
.

696 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:07:01pm

re: #694 Abu Boo Boo

A question I didn't answer earlier...

In science, a hypothesis can be anything from a hunch to a highly educated guess.

Many great scientific discoveries were based on hunches. Michael Faraday, one of the greatest experimentalists, believed that light and magnetism are related. He had no factual evidence. He spent twenty years trying to prove it--and finally did.

Einstein's theory of relativity was based on the insight or belief that the speed of light is constant. His theory introduced no other new facts--it was just a different explanation of the Michelson-Morley experiment. ...Different than the FitzGerald-Lorentz theory that was based on the same facts. Einstein had no facts to prove the speed of light is constant--but he believed his theory was more elegant.

Come on. This is just ridiculous. Why are you trying to confuse the issue?

697 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:09:52pm

re: #694 Abu Boo Boo

Einstein's theory was soon proven correct by experiment: the speed of light is constant.

But again, you misunderstand the concept of scientific hypothesis. That's just one of the problems of IDer's. They throw around scientific terminology without understanding the meaning.

698 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:11:49pm

694 Abu Boo Boo

And after Einstein had his inspiration he backed it up with some very good mathematics. Relativity has been tested & proven accurate to a very high degree of confidence.

699 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:11:59pm

re: #697 Kenneth

Einstein's theory was soon proven correct by experiment: the speed of light is constant.

But again, you misunderstand the concept of scientific hypothesis. That's just one of the problems of IDer's. They throw around scientific terminology without understanding the meaning.

Indeed they do. They rely on the fact that Americans are largely ignorant of scientific principles (thanks to decades of devaluation of critical thinking) to make appeals to emotionalism.

700 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:12:03pm

re: #538 Nevergiveup

Texas does not have a state income tax.

701 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:14:41pm

re: #564 Kenneth

Through the history of science, ideologues of one kind or another have attempted to bend science to their dogma. The Aristotelian natural philosophers, in alliance with religious fundamentalists tried to silence Galileo. The Communists tried to co-opt the term "scientific" to apply to their illogical & inhuman ideas about economics and society. The Nazis perverted science in their absurdly unscientific notions of eugenics & the Master Race.

And Intelligent Design activists are the intellectual heir to those same ideologues. They use the terminology of science and pretend to create scientific arguments to buttress what are essentially anti-scientific pre-formed religious ideas.

I agree with the first paragraph 100%.

And I agree that many if not most "ID activists" are just repackaging Creationism.

But we are a long way from understanding how humans evolved. Scientists should be most interested in determining the truth. In areas where our knowledge is incomplete, scientists should err on the side of open-mindedness.

702 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:20:42pm

re: #697 Kenneth

Einstein's theory was soon proven correct by experiment: the speed of light is constant.

But again, you misunderstand the concept of scientific hypothesis. That's just one of the problems of IDer's. They throw around scientific terminology without understanding the meaning.

Just saying I don't understand is hardly a scientific response.

You need to show that Einstein had facts to show that the speed of light is a constant before he created his theory--not that others found facts later.

His theory was based on the same facts as the FitzGerlad-Lorentz theory. And both worked out the math to make their competing theories logically consistent. So it wasn't just the math.

Are you familiar with FitzGerald-Lorentz?

703 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:21:32pm

re: #702 Abu Boo Boo

Just saying I don't understand is hardly a scientific response.

You need to show that Einstein had facts to show that the speed of light is a constant before he created his theory--not that others found facts later.

His theory was based on the same facts as the FitzGerlad-Lorentz theory. And both worked out the math to make their competing theories logically consistent. So it wasn't just the math.

Are you familiar with FitzGerald-Lorentz?

But you've demonstrated over and over that you don't understand: 1) scientific hypotheses, or 2) scientific theory.

Kenneth is correct.

704 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:26:30pm

re: #703 Charles

But you've demonstrated over and over that you don't understand it. Kenneth is correct.

Then please teach me. On what facts did Einstein base his hypothesis that the speed of light is constant?

I would be grateful if anyone can clear this up for me.

705 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:29:29pm

re: #704 Abu Boo Boo

Then please teach me. On what facts did Einstein base his hypothesis that the speed of light is constant?

I would be grateful if anyone can clear this up for me.

Teach yourself. Dealing with ideologues is wearying.

706 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:34:13pm

re: #694 Abu Boo Boo

A question I didn't answer earlier...

In science, a hypothesis can be anything from a hunch to a highly educated guess.


You're changing the subject. How a scientist formulates his/her hypothesis is irrelevant.

How about answering the original question?

What is the "hypothesis" for intelligent design?

707 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:35:47pm

re: #704 Abu Boo Boo

Then please teach me. On what facts did Einstein base his hypothesis that the speed of light is constant?


What does this have to do with intelligent design?

708 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:43pm

re: #701 Abu Boo Boo

But we are a long way from understanding how humans evolved.


Not really. We have a pretty good idea how it happened.

709 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:44:06pm

Too many(not all) are assuming Abu Boo Boo is the rough looking toothless drunkard typing on the beer hall computer reminiscing from his hay day as a hell fire and brimstone tent revivalist before getting caught fooling with the cute little church secretary who in maybe subtle ways indicates she's got a lot going on underneath those clean plain clothes.

710 Edgesitter  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:48:11pm

I find this to be a most interesting discussion...please continue.

711 Mel Lono  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:32pm

Love the spy. It's Times Square ticker only faster!

712 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:34pm

re: #707 looking closely

What does this have to do with intelligent design?

I answered the question of what the ID hypothesis is earlier in the thread.

The other point is a response to the repeated charge that I don't understand what a scientific hypothesis is.

I've given two examples of great scientists who started with no facts or no new facts--just a flash of insight. According to the definitions I've heard here, it appears they also didn't know what a proper scientific hypothesis is.

However, if someone can show that Einstein's hypothesis that the speed of light is constant was based on some sort of evidence, then I am wrong.

713 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:51:15pm

re: #704 Abu Boo Boo

Then please teach me. On what facts did Einstein base his hypothesis that the speed of light is constant?


Einstein speed of light

714 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:53:06pm

re: #712 Abu Boo Boo

I answered the question of what the ID hypothesis is earlier in the thread.

No, you didn't. You tried to float an absurd misrepresentation of the concept of "scientific hypotheses."

715 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:54:23pm

Red shift, blue shift, one shift, two shift. The speed of light is constant.

716 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:59:22pm

re: #704 Abu Boo Boo

Ok. Turn to page 816 of the text "Physics" (second edition, by Cutnell and Johnson), and read Chapter 28 -- "The Relativity of Time: Time Dilation." As you'll read, Einstein built his theory on postulates (not hypotheses). There were two postulates. "1) The Relativity Postulate. The laws of physics are the same in every inertial reference frame. 2) the Speed of Light Postulate. The speed of light in a vacuum, measured in any inertial reference frame, always has the same value of c, no matter how fast the source of light and the observer are moving relative to each other." The authors then explain each postulate. With respect to Postulate 2, the authors write: "This property of light, although surprising, has been verified many times by experiment."

717 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:59pm

re: #713 Killgore Trout

Einstein speed of light

I can post links too. But if you really understand the issue, why not just tell me one fact that Einstein based his speed-of-light-is-constant hypothesis on.

You can't, because it was an assumption. Einstein developed one of the greatest theories in the history of science based on an idea that many others thought was crazy. And he had no experiments or observations to back it up. He just showed that starting with that assumption he could construct a logically consistent theory--but it was no more logically consistent than the FitzGerald-Lorentz theory.

718 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:07:30pm

Also worth quoting further from the Physics' text: (P. 817). The authors write:

Since waves, such as water waves and sound waves, require a medium through which to propagate, it was natural for scientists before Einstein to assume that light did too. This hypothetical medium was called the luminiferous ether and was assumed to fill all of space. Furthermore, it was believed that light traveled only at the speed c when measured with respect to the ether. According to this view, an observer moving relative to the ether would measure a speed for light that was slower or faster than c, depending on whether the observer moved with or against the light. During the years 1883-1887, however, the American scientists Al. A. Michelson and E. W. Morley carried out a series of famous experiments whose results were not consistent with the ether theory. Their results indicated that the speed of light is indeed the same in all inertial reference frames and does not depend on the motion of the observer relative to the source of the light. These experiments and others, led eventually to the demise of the ether theory and the acceptance of the theory of special relativity."

719 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:15pm

re: #717 Abu Boo Boo

But if you really understand the issue, why not just tell me one fact that Einstein based his speed-of-light-is-constant hypothesis on


Uh, I just did. Why should I do it again. How many times do you want me to do it? He had good reason to believe that the speed of light has constant and I see no reason to prove it to you repeatedly. You could easily google it yourself. Why should I do it for you? I think I'm missing the point of the exercise here.

720 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:53pm

re: #718 J.S.

Yeah.

721 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:57pm

re: #716 J.S.

Ok. Turn to page 816 of the text "Physics" (second edition, by Cutnell and Johnson), and read Chapter 28 -- "The Relativity of Time: Time Dilation." As you'll read, Einstein built his theory on postulates (not hypotheses). There were two postulates. "1) The Relativity Postulate. The laws of physics are the same in every inertial reference frame. 2) the Speed of Light Postulate. The speed of light in a vacuum, measured in any inertial reference frame, always has the same value of c, no matter how fast the source of light and the observer are moving relative to each other." The authors then explain each postulate. With respect to Postulate 2, the authors write: "This property of light, although surprising, has been verified many times by experiment."

OK, what facts was his speed-of-light-is-constant "postulate" based on?

The fact that science can sometimes verify "surprising" ideas is exactly my point.

Science is based on deterministic principles. That means that if you can demonstrate something through an experiment it is a fact or law. Everything else is just provisional in the search for facts and laws.

ID is just a hypothesis. Evolution is a theory--it encompasses many indisputable facts. But a theory is an explanation. The number or quality of facts it encompasses don't in themselves make the explanation any more or less true.

722 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:23:20pm

re: #721 Abu Boo Boo

OK, what facts was his speed-of-light-is-constant "postulate" based on?

The fact that science can sometimes verify "surprising" ideas is exactly my point.

Science is based on deterministic principles. That means that if you can demonstrate something through an experiment it is a fact or law. Everything else is just provisional in the search for facts and laws.

ID is just a hypothesis. Evolution is a theory--it encompasses many indisputable facts. But a theory is an explanation. The number or quality of facts it encompasses don't in themselves make the explanation any more or less true.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

723 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:28:24pm

re: #719 Killgore Trout

Uh, I just did. Why should I do it again. How many times do you want me to do it? He had good reason to believe that the speed of light has constant and I see no reason to prove it to you repeatedly. You could easily google it yourself. Why should I do it for you? I think I'm missing the point of the exercise here.

No, you posted a link.

Do you really think "he had good reason" is an acceptable answer?

I've been told here that a scientific hypothesis must be based on facts. What facts did Einstein have that suggested the speed of light is a constant?

If you don't know, I'd have more respect for you if you just said this is not something you know much about.

724 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:30:07pm

How can light go the speed of light yet be able to push something?

725 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:13pm

re: #723 Abu Boo Boo

Do you really think "he had good reason" is an acceptable answer?


Yes.

In 1887, the physicists Albert Michelson and Edward Morley performed the influential Michelson-Morley experiment to measure the speed of light relative to the motion of the earth, the goal being to measure the velocity of the Earth through the aether. As shown in the diagram of a Michelson interferometer, a half-silvered mirror was used to split a beam of monochromatic light into two beams traveling at right angles to one another. After leaving the splitter, each beam was reflected back and forth between mirrors several times (the same number for each beam to give a long but equal path length; the actual Michelson-Morley experiment used more mirrors than shown) then recombined to produce a pattern of constructive and destructive interference. Any slight change in speed of light along each arm of the interferometer (because the apparatus was moving with the Earth through the proposed "aether") would change the amount of time that the beam spent in transit, which would then be observed as a change in the pattern of interference. In the event, the experiment gave a null result.

How many links do you require? I can do this all day.

726 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:20pm

re: #723 Abu Boo Boo

If you don't know, I'd have more respect for you if you just said this is not something you know much about.


Your respect is not a goal of mine.

727 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:35:40pm

re: #725 Killgore Trout

How many links do you require? I can do this all day.

The Michelson-Morley experiment failed to confirm the existence of ether. (It was supposed to show that the speed changed depending on direction in relation to the ether.)

It didn't prove that the speed of light is constant in different frames of reference.

728 edgesitter  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:36:51pm

I was wondering when someone would point out that the speed of light was well established before Einstein published.

729 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:40:14pm

re: #728 edgesitter

I was wondering when someone would point out that the speed of light was well established before Einstein published.

When referring to Einstein there is an implicit for two or more reference frames.

730 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:44:14pm

The point of Einstein's theory was that if someone on earth and someone moving 100,000 miles/s in relation to earth measured the speed of the same light beam (traveling in the line of the moving user's motion), they would both still get the same answer.

731 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:46:34pm

re: #727 Abu Boo Boo

The theory that the speed of light was constant was around before, during, and after Eisenstein. It's indisputable. I have no idea what you hope gain by claiming otherwise.

732 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:54pm

re: #731 Killgore Trout

The theory that the speed of light was constant was around before, during, and after Eisenstein. It's indisputable. I have no idea what you hope gain by claiming otherwise.

But not constant in different reference frames.

Einstein's special theory of relativity made the surprising assertion that the only thing in the entire universe that is absolute is the speed of light. Everything else (including space and time) is relative.

733 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:00pm

re: #732 Abu Boo Boo

Complete gobbledegook. At this point you're just saying anything.

734 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:13:12pm

re: #731 Killgore Trout

The theory that the speed of light was constant was around before, during, and after Eisenstein. It's indisputable. I have no idea what you hope gain by claiming otherwise.

Maybe in the everyday sense... it's the same in London as in Los Angeles.

But Einstein suggested the speed of light is always the same. If you are standing still and I am moving very fast we will still measure the same speed for the same light beam.

Surely you can see that some scientists thought Einstein was nuts. Surely if you are traveling 100,000 m/s towards a light beam you should measure a speed 100,000 m/s less than someone standing still.

In fact, one could have argued that Einstein's theory wasn't science. And many people did.

735 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:11pm

re: #733 Charles

Complete gobbledegook. At this point you're just saying anything.

Are you suggesting Einstein's special theory of relativity doen't assert the speed of light is constant regardless of reference frame?

736 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:19:15pm

re: #735 Abu Boo Boo

Are you suggesting Einstein's special theory of relativity doen't assert the speed of light is constant regardless of reference frame?

No. I'm saying that you're way out of your depth, and spouting complete nonsense.

Maybe you think you're fooling somebody.

737 SavannahWinslow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:24:04pm

Sounds like there are at least a couple of knowledgeable people here that might be able to tell me ... has it been conclusively proven that gravity cannot possibly be a force of repulsion and displacement rather than one of attraction? I can't seem to phrase the question well enough for Google to give me a meaningful result.

Sorry for the interruption. Feel free to return to keeping an eye on the Spy. It's certainly interesting!

= )

738 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:33:04pm

re: #736 Charles

No. I'm saying that you're way out of your depth, and spouting complete nonsense.

Maybe you think you're fooling somebody.

I'm not trying to fool anyone.

Can you say specifically what in that post was nonsense?

739 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #732 Abu Boo Boo

But not constant in different reference frames.

Einstein's special theory of relativity made the surprising assertion that the only thing in the entire universe that is absolute is the speed of light. Everything else (including space and time) is relative.


...Uhhh...Wrong.

740 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:38pm

re: #738 Abu Boo Boo

There are any number of places you could easily learn about relativity. I'd suggest A Brief History of Time. It's short and an easy read (although I went through it a few times before it really sticks).

741 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:42pm

If you take two sets of Michelson-Morley experimental equipment and move them rapidly wrt to each other while sharing the same light source, they both will measure the speed of light as the same constant; albeit the clocks on the wall next to them will show a difference in time.

742 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:55pm

re: #737 SavannahWinslow


has it been conclusively proven that gravity cannot possibly be a force of repulsion and displacement rather than one of attraction?


Yes I think so. Gravity actually bends space/time (like a bowling ball on a trampoline) thus drawing things in. I'm not aware that it has any repulsive properties.

743 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:41:47pm

re: #742 Killgore Trout

Heavy, man. ;)

744 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:49:45pm

re: #743 Sharmuta

It's really weird. I need to brush up on my physics before they flip the switch on the CERN collider later this summer so I know what the hell they're talking about.

745 Carridine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:54:02pm

re: #724 Roger

Experiments firing ONE PHOTON, at the speed of light, through a slot and recording its position found that any photon fired through one slot went to exactly and only the one-slot position.

Experiments firing ONE PHOTON, at the speed of light, through TWO slots and recording its position found that any photon fired through two slots went to exactly and only the two-slot targets, which do NOT overlap the ONE slot target.

Which raised the question: travelling at the speed of light, how does ONE PHOTON know whether to go to the One-Slot target or the Two-Slot target?

746 pat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:54:07pm

Ahh. The famous Locomotive Hypothetical. Haven't visited that one in 20 years.

747 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:56:42pm

re: #745 Carridine

Double Slit Experiment

/Trippy

748 Carridine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:58:31pm

re: #747 Killgore Trout
Yup! You got it, Killgore...

'Trippy', indeed

/from the book, 'The Zen of Physics' IIRC

749 Abu Boo Boo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:00:36pm

re: #740 Killgore Trout

There are any number of places you could easily learn about relativity. I'd suggest A Brief History of Time. It's short and an easy read (although I went through it a few times before it really sticks).

I've read it.

Would you like me to recommend some books by Einstein?

750 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:02:20pm

re: #492 Charles

. . . Intelligent design is a hoax promoted by the same people who were trying to promote "creationism" a few years back. They changed their tack when it became clear that creationism was discredited. The main proponent of this hoax is the Discovery Institute, and a leaked document from there spells this agenda out in detail. Look up the Wedge document at Wikipedia.

I just did, had not seen this before. Scary.

751 Roger  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:03:53pm

re: #745 Carridine

Glad you got the question:-) It also begs can you really have a lone photon in front of you? or is it stringing another along somewhere behind your back you can't see.

752 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:04:39pm

re: #749 Abu Boo Boo

Would you like me to recommend some books by Einstein?


No, I have no particular recommendations on Albert bios.

753 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:05:01pm

re: #750 reine.de.tout

I just did, had not seen this before. Scary.

And remember, that document was never supposed to be public. It's a glimpse into the religious fanaticism that is promoting this Dark Ages hoax - deceptive and cynical, and proud of its ignorance.

754 Carridine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:06:37pm

re: #751 Roger
And 'Does it interfere with itself?'
and 'Is it only a POTENTIAL particle/wave UNLESS and UNTIL it is observed?' (Shades of trees falling unheard in forests...)

"We is ALL energy, in one form or another!"

/I thought so...

755 Winslow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:07:34pm

re: #737 SavannahWinslow

Let us introduce ourselves.
SavannaWinslow, Winslow; Winslow, SavannahWinslow.

756 Karagush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:12:23pm

re: #689 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFL

(with a mouthful of supper, no less -- fortunately, the carpet-cleaners are coming tomorrow.)

I am sending this to my Marine. I am pretty sure he will have much the same reaction. Mostly because, well, he can relate. I am strongly suspicious some of his guys get up to stuff like that.

757 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 2:35:32am

re: #699 Charles

Indeed they do. They rely on the fact that Americans are largely ignorant of scientific principles (thanks to decades of devaluation of critical thinking) to make appeals to emotionalism.


For some reason that sounds a lot like Liberal Values
It makes me feel good or it just feels right

758 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:29:54am

re: #753 Charles

Is this thread completely dead yet?

Well, anyhoo - I think a lot of people (myself included) had heard the terms "creationist" and "intelligent ID" and had only a vague idea what it all meant - probably due partly to the fact that this "wedge document" was meant to be kept private, but also due to a failure on my part to make myself fully aware of what it really meant.

Anyone still reading this who is interested in the "wedge strategy", here is the wikipedia link:
Wedge Strategy

There are other links within that article that are informative.

759 Abu Boo Boo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:12:07am

re: #739 Killgore Trout

re: #732 Abu Boo Boo

But not constant in different reference frames.

Einstein's special theory of relativity made the surprising assertion that the only thing in the entire universe that is absolute is the speed of light. Everything else (including space and time) is relative.


...Uhhh...Wrong.

Just for the record, you never explained why the above is wrong because it isn't wrong.

Einstein's theory showed that space, time, energy and matter (remember E = m * c squared?) are all relative while the speed of light is constant. What else is there in the physical universe besides these entities?

Einstein was a creative thinker whose insight led to a more elegant theory. Einstein never did empirical research. By the National Academy of Science's rigid views of "the scientific method," Einstein wasn't a scientist. (In fact, he wasn't recognized as scientist when he submitted his first important paper, either.)

Lesson: great discoveries and inventions don't come from cookbook approaches to science. They come from creative thinking.

760 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:45:14am

re: #742 Killgore Trout

Yes I think so. Gravity actually bends space/time (like a bowling ball on a trampoline) thus drawing things in. I'm not aware that it has any repulsive properties.

Late to the thread, but...
As my HS physics teacher said, Gravity is the only force that only sucks, and doesn't blow.

761 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:48am

re: #759 Abu Boo Boo

Lesson: great discoveries and inventions don't come from cookbook approaches to science. They come from creative thinking.

Your "lessons" would make more sense if you first demonstrated that you have even the slightest understanding of basic scientific principles. But you don't.


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