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Islamic School in Virginia: Kill the Infidels and Take Their Property

Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:42:21 am PDT

The Associated Press reports that there are some “troubling passages” in texts at Va. school.

That would be the notorious Islamic Saudi Academy, and those “troubling passages” say things like “kill the infidels and steal their property.”

Troubling.

McLEAN, Va. (AP) — Textbooks at a private Islamic school in northern Virginia teach students that it is permissible for Muslims to kill adulterers and converts from Islam, according to a federal investigation released Wednesday.

Other passages in the school’s textbooks state that “the Jews conspired against Islam and its people” and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed “polytheists.”

The passages were found in selected textbooks used during the 2007-08 school year by the Islamic Saudi Academy, which teaches 900 students in grades K-12 at two campuses in Alexandria and Fairfax and receives much of its funding from the Saudi government.

The academy has come under scrutiny from critics who allege that it fosters an intolerant brand of Islam similar to that taught in the conservative Saudi kingdom. In the review, the panel recommended that the school make all of its textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made before the next school year.

This indoctrination of children has been going on at the Islamic Saudi Academy for many years, and the AP is only now noticing it.

UPDATE at 6/12/08 8:59:10 am:

Unbelievably, at MSNBC a poll asks whether the school should be allowed to stay open, and 13% answer “Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance.”

What the hell is wrong with these people? I think it might be a good idea for lizards to cast their votes in this poll too: Vote: Should this school be allowed to stay open? - Education- msnbc.com.

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1 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:44:38am

Skool Daze

2 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:44:39am

Ah! Our own little terrorist training facility!
I believe we have the right to demand they teach in accordance to the law - not their own violence.

3 loppyd  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:44:46am

CAIR could not be reached for comment.

4 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:44:48am

“Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an: 9:5

5 Sizzlack  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:45:05am

Ahh to be as politically correct as possible, and as stupid as a box of hair....just another day at the AP.

6 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:45:06am

That is not the Islamic Saudi Academy that Barry knew.

7 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:45:10am

/Proud Infidel!

8 zmdavid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:45:11am

Future jurors for trials of the Gitmo detainees?

9 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:15am

"Other passages in the school’s textbooks state that “the Jews conspired against Islam and its people” and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed “polytheists.”

Look you bunch of bitter Bible thumping, gun clinging rednecks don't you know nuance when you see it?

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10 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:21am

obama = sleeper.

11 sffilk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:33am

MSNBC has a link to the story as well. This stinks.

12 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:36am

Troubling? How about insanity? Suicidal? I dunno, just a few there...

Tis a dangerous road we embark upon...

13 stanlef  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:46:51am

follow the $$$.

/tools for fools

14 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:47:12am
15 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:47:38am

Well, if they want to kill most of us, they are going to have some fight on their hands!

16 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:47:49am

re: #8 zmdavid

Future jurors for trials of the Gitmo detainees?

/oh wait, no more Gitmo. What's an infidel to do with their murdering terrorists?

17 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:48:33am

re: #9 CIA Reject

Look you bunch of bitter Bible thumping, gun clinging rednecks don't you know nuance when you see it?

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Nuance?

18 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:48:35am

Oil dollars at work.

And to think that the Democrats blocked a bill yesterday that would have opened up more offshore drilling because everyone knows that drilling "has no impact on the price of oil."

19 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:48:41am

re: #16 unrealizedviewpoint

/oh wait, no more Gitmo. What's an infidel to do with their murdering terrorists?

Get them legal aid attorneys

/SPIT!

20 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:48:44am

And funny... Back when I was inschool we had religion every day... We learned about Jesus and His message of love and tolerance and accepatance and forgiveness...

Huh... Interesting how other 'religions' see things...

21 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:48:44am

Allah's Press reporters are quick aren't they.

/sarc

22 stanlef[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:49:05am
23 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:49:34am

Zionist plot aimed to embarrass the Ummah.

24 bosforus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:49:38am

So does this mean Catholic private schools can call for a new Inquisition?

25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:49:50am

re: #16 unrealizedviewpoint

/oh wait, no more Gitmo. What's an infidel to do with their murdering terrorists?

Kill them.

26 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:50:16am

What's more troubling is that one probably didn't have to delve too deeply to find these references. More than specific lesson plans, these are casual indications of a primitive, violent, pernicious culture.

27 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:50:35am

Fairfax County Democrat head of the Board of Supervisors Gerold Connolly approved this! He and his fellow dems were on board with the agenda, they really CAIR about their Saudi constituents/contributors.

28 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:50:35am

re: #17 songbird

Nice pic - I hope that's a Bible! :-)

29 FreakyBoy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:02am

One has to assume these are not disenfranchised poor children with no other options.

30 michigan tom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:07am

Pointing out these mere facts is obviously based on hate and racism. Don't worry President Obama will silence you.

31 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:11am

re: #27 alegrias

Fairfax County Democrat head of the Board of Supervisors Gerold Connolly approved this! He and his fellow dems were on board with the agenda, they really CAIR about their Saudi constituents/contributors.

Email contacts to these 'board' members?

32 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:14am

re: #24 bosforus

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

33 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:19am

re: #28 CIA Reject

Nice pic - I hope that's a Bible! :-)

It is! Thompson Chain Reference, in fact!

34 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:23am

re: #23 Ben Hur

Zionist plot aimed to embarrass the Ummah.

I knew the Jews were somehow behind this. Thanks for the confirmation.

35 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:25am

Saudi Arabia funds terrorism, Iranian regime trains terrorists and Pakistan provides the terrorists on a large scale..... There is a new Axis of Evil for you

36 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:37am

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

37 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:51:59am

re: #30 michigan tom

Pointing out these mere facts is obviously based on hate and racism. Don't worry President Obama will silence enlighten you.

Fixed it...

38 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:00am

I live in northern Virginia and am raising a family there. It is truly alarming how madrassahs and wahhabi mosques have sprung up here. Two of the 9/11 hijackers "worshipped" at a mosque down the street, and the valedictorian of a local Muslim school is now doing 20 years for plotting to assassinate Bush. I've lost count of the times I've come around the corner of an aisle in the local Giant and blundered into the middle of a polygamous Islamic family (1 male in white robes, 3-4 presumed women in head to toe black burqas, a dozen kids). People know about how the entire area is getting radicalized, but nobody seems to do anything. For a while I've considered moving to someplace "safer" for my kids but finally I decided: screw that. This is my country and I'm not ceding it to the militant Islamoids. Ever. Instead, I put in for a CCW permit.

39 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:04am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

You have got to be kidding.

40 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:18am

re: #38 Diamond Bullet

sounds terrible!

41 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:29am

One of the school's graduates, it's VALEDICTORIAN in fact, Abu _______, was recently convicted of trying to terminate our President Bush.

42 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:31am

Kind of makes the Hitler Youth of yore look almost tame.
Jihadi Youth! Kill an infidel for Allah!
[and take their property, too, while you're at it]

43 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #39 Charles

I am sure he is kidding...

44 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:58am

re: #5 Sizzlack

Ahh to be as politically correct as possible, and as stupid as a box of hair....just another day at the AP.

Don't insult hair.

45 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:52:59am

re: #33 songbird

Kewl!

46 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:18am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

No BUTS... will defend this.

47 Onslow  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:27am

Well this is reassuring:

The commission's findings issued come a month after the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to extend the academy's lease for its main campus, which sits on county property.

The county conducted its own study of the textbooks last year at the request of Supervisor Gerald Hyland, whose district encompasses the academy.

Hyland and the county never released results of what they had found, but Hyland said in approving the lease that he is comfortable with the school's teachings, though he did so with a qualification.

"I would be less than frank if I didn't tell you that the curriculum does contain references to the Quran, which, if taken out of context and read literally, would cause come concern," Hyland said at the meeting at which the lease was extended.

48 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:31am

re: #2 songbird

Ah! Our own little terrorist training facility!
I believe we have the right to demand they teach in accordance to the law - not their own violence.

Well, that's the kicker. What is Virginia law? I'm assuming this is a private academy (it damn well BETTER be) and are beholden to an outline of curriculum requirements that set out what should be taught at each grade level. I would bet my chocolate cake that there's no language regarding what shouldn't be taught.

I'm not sure I would want the thought police in my school, either. However, shining a light on the cockroaches via the media and involvement of the local school district will help. Bigots will be bigots, but I don't want big brother deciding what anyone should think. Not even **it-for-brains like these.

49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:41am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Even private schools have to hold up to certain standards and practices to be accredited.

Some how, I dont think "Kill the Infidel and steal his stuff" fits the bill.

50 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:43am

Other passages in the school’s textbooks state that “the Jews conspired against Islam and its people” and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed “polytheists.”

That idea doesn't originate in the textbook, kids. That's from the Holy Unflushable Book...

51 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:53:55am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

I understand not wanting the gov't coming in and raiding school books of private schools, but I think a little profiling is in order here.

52 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:04am

And the surprise here is what?

53 amphibian  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:10am

But they're all peaceful-like! And ancient-like!

You've got to feel at least a bit sorry for them, though. Jews and Christians have ambiguous passages of Scripture that need explaining -- why Judaism has Oral Law and Christianity its own body of commentary. There are places that talk about how war was fought back in the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age (pre-Geneva Conventions). But what the hell are you going to do when this Friday's reading from the Revealed and Immutable Word of Allah is about how best to behead infidels? This is like Ears Hussein trying to downplay Rev. Hate-Whitey's sermons, and then up pops the good Reverend with an hour-long song-and-dance about the same!

54 zmdavid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:26am

re: #52 Nevergiveup

And the surprise here is what?

The AP reported it.

55 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:28am

re: #51 songbird

Dismantle any thing related to Saudi Arabia and Iran inside the US of A

56 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:29am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

I'd go a step further and say this stuff shouldn't be allowed to be taught to children in mosques or homeschooling situations either.

57 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:35am

re: #31 tfc3rid

Email contacts to these 'board' members?

* * *
Fairfax County, VA Board of Supervisors

(Charles doesn't like posting emails I think)


Also horrible is that dem Gerold Connolly this week may have a shot at being our Representative in Congress to replace the long time excellent republican Tom Davis who is stepping down this fall.

58 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:54am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Even if they're teaching kids to kill infidels ?

59 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:54:58am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

* * *
It's a Saudi Government school

60 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:05am

re: #54 zmdavid

The AP reported it.

Right

61 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:14am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Not even lunch yet and we got a drunk.

62 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:19am

re: #59 alegrias

On American soil....

63 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:29am

re: #45 CIA Reject

Kewl!

Mr. Songbird insisted I take that picture! We were planning a follow up picture with our friends posing together - Native Americans, Oriental, African American, White, male and female - as Bitter Americans!

64 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:33am

What's frightening is 13% of responders on the poll attached to the msnbc story feel that the school should be left alone.

65 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:47am

re: #28 CIA Reject

Nice pic - I hope that's a Bible! :-)

Book of Armaments
/Monty Python

66 mj  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:58am

See Dick.
See Jane.
See Dick and Jane behead the Jew.
See Dick and Jane steal.
See Dick and Jane quote the Koran.
See Dick and Jane but never together.

67 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:55:59am

re: #51 songbird

During WWII, a Nazi academy, for would-be Hitler youth, or a Bushido school, would never have been tolerated, whether said academy was private or not.

Let's get real here. Basically, were allowing "schools", fueled by foreign money to spring up on our soil where the students are taught how to fight against us, and commit murder. Bad idea.

68 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:56:04am

So, the Quran is one of very few pieces ever written that should never be taken literally? I see... Because if it were taken literally, it's what, a killing manual?

69 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:56:25am

re: #55 winston06

I think that would be an excellent idea.

70 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:56:35am

re: #68 tfc3rid

It's a violent book

71 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:07am

re: #69 TalkinKamel

But the US govt is toothless to do so

72 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:12am

re: #62 winston06

On American soil....

Yeah, just imagine what they teach in the madrassahs overseas? But not to worry, I am sure our Supreme Court is looking out for our best interests.

73 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:15am

re: #55 winston06

Dismantle any thing related to Saudi Arabia and Iran inside the US of A

Hard to when some are beholden to oil ticks!

74 Clio  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:27am

Is the reference in the article to the "State Department" perhaps an error?

Should it in fact refer to the State [of Virginia] Board of Regents, that has to certify a private school?

75 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:36am

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Imagine a supreme court under President Hussein O

76 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:57am

re: #73 songbird

True

77 Atweber  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:57:59am

ACLU--"We will defend your right to kill us at every available opportunity."

78 mj  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:11am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

What gives you the idea that the State Depatment would not approve of this textbook?

79 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:17am

re: #64 CoCo

What's frightening is 13% of responders on the poll attached to the msnbc story feel that the school should be left alone.


We wouldn't tolerate a school teaching Nazi philosphy, no matter how private. This is at least as bad, and maybe worse.

80 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:28am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

/
here have mine. You must have forgotten.

81 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:40am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

I demand a comfy chair!

82 bosforus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:44am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

I can't believe I so unwittingly set up that joke.

83 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #75 winston06

Imagine a supreme court under President Hussein O

Must I?

84 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:12am

re: #67 TalkinKamel

During WWII, a Nazi academy, for would-be Hitler youth, or a Bushido school, would never have been tolerated, whether said academy was private or not.

Let's get real here. Basically, were allowing "schools", fueled by foreign money to spring up on our soil where the students are taught how to fight against us, and commit murder. Bad idea.

Bingo. No excuse for this.

85 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:12am

re: #83 Nevergiveup

If you want some scary moments, then you should

;-)

86 Atweber  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:33am

Our petrodollars at work.

87 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:38am

re: #77 Atweber

ACLU--"We will defend your right to kill us at every available opportunity."

Perhaps we should demand that the ACLU protect US from this "hate speech"!

88 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:40am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.


yeah, well I bet none of us expected our friggin' ALLY to open up a school on our soil with the express purpose of destroying our very existence either....

I lived with the Saudis...can't stand the arrogant bastids!

89 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:42am

I sure hope Charles does a thread on Barracks new mybarackobama page – FightTheSmears

They legitimately debunks the Whitey Tape, but go on in attempt to debunk other rumors without much debunking. They merely ask the ObamaBots to spread the word that the rumors are debunked. Some of the great rumor items (not debunked), are the rumors about all the racially incendiary statements in his books he says are fabrications, alterations and deliberate manipulations. To debunk the Pledge of Allegiance rumor he uses an example of where he led the pledge before the Senate. That does it for me. Sorry Barack. We’ve been wrong.

90 dgax65  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:47am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Any school, public or private, that teaches CHILDREN that it is acceptable to kill others, just because they have different religious beliefs, should not be allowed to operate. This isn't some sort of theoretical exercise that we're talking about; these are children who are being indoctrinated to accept violence as an acceptable response to a difference in beliefs. That may fly in 8th Century Saudi Arabia, but it has no place in the United States.

91 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:59:58am

re: #71 winston06

Yeah, but one can always hope. . .

92 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:04am

re: #48 angst

I see that you up-dinged No. 36. Why? Do you approve of this crap?

93 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:12am

More proof that Political Correctness will get us all killed. I thought this country was supposed to be a melting pot. These kinds of people are more like a cookie recipe and they are the nuts. They will come to our country but they won't become a part of our country. They hold themselves apart and separate. To a certain extent all immigrants have done this but within a generation or so they are part of the great melting pot that was America. Now they bring their customs, their laws, their ways of teaching their children and don't assimilate into the larger culture. With the illegal immigrant population coming from Mexico this results in them refusing to learn English. With the Muslim populations this results in honor killings, madrassas, and beheading the infidel...a much scarier prospect. I say put all these schools (especially Saudi based) under scrutiny and stop playing the PC game. This country can't afford it!

94 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:45am

1. Inciting to violence is illegal.
2. Out of my country with this.

95 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:50am

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

96 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:54am

re: #66 mj

See Dick.
See Jane.
See Dick and Jane behead the Jew.
See Dick and Jane steal.
See Dick and Jane quote the Koran.
See Dick and Jane but never together.


See Dick and Mo together...Mo is a bottom.

97 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:00:57am

re: #85 winston06

If you want some scary moments, then you should

;-)

can't I just keep my eyes open on space mountain?

98 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:01:07am

re: #95 Charles

done

99 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:01:10am

re: #41 alegrias

One of the school's graduates, it's VALEDICTORIAN in fact, Abu _______, was recently convicted of trying to terminate our President Bush.

Omar Abu Ali was the valedictorian who plotted to kill the prez.

Also

The school's former comptroller, arrested last year after videotaping the Chesapeake Bay Bridge in Maryland, has been labeled by federal agents as a high- ranking member of the terrorist group Hamas....
Daniel Pipes, director of the Philadelphia-based Middle East Forum and a well-known advocate of aggressive anti-terror policies, said the school is like "having a little piece of Saudi Arabia" in northern Virginia. He claimed the Islamic Saudi Academy is a classic case of pitting free speech against protection from future attacks.

"It's like the Nazis having little Hitler schools in America during the 1930s," Pipes said last night. Fifteen of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi, although the oil-rich nation is a close ally of the Bush administration....

In March 2002, another graduate of the school, Mohammad Usman Idris, then 24, was charged with lying to a grand jury probing plots against Israel.

100 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:01:21am

re: #97 Nevergiveup

absolutely... LOL

101 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Got Guilt?

102 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:06am

This school should have been shut down right after 9/11. Instead the morons who think like 13% of those MSNBC poll responders have let it continue spreading poison for years.

103 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:06am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

done

104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:13am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

13% answer: "Please kill us and enslave our kids so we don't offend you."

105 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:23am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I'd go a step further and say this stuff shouldn't be allowed to be taught to children in mosques or homeschooling situations either.

I'm agreeing, but concerned about legitimate peaceful law abiding patriotic homeschoolers..........


Should there be a loyalty test in our country?

106 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:24am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.


I can't believe anyone would vote to keep the school open.

107 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:47am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

Even a private school is not above the law of the land. Teaching murder is against the law in every single jurisdiction in this nation, no matter what fucking "religion" you are.

108 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those will vote for Messiah for sure

109 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:03:04am

re: #88 paxnhymn

But---but---Pat Buchanan's magazine tells us that it's the Israelis we should be worried about! Ya see, we send them billions of dollars each year (just like the Palestinians), and a lady named "Maria" (doesn't want to give her last name) saw 3---or was it 4, or 5?---through her trusty binoculars on 9/11, and it looked as if they were dancing. Or making a film. Or doing something. Anyway, it was highly suspicious, and maybe they were up to something.

/Sarc.

(Share some of your Saudi stories with us, please!)

110 amphibian  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:03:35am

re: #50 OldLineTexan

Other passages in the school’s textbooks state that “the Jews conspired against Islam and its people” and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed “polytheists.”

That idea doesn't originate in the textbook, kids. That's from the Holy Unflushable Book...

Have you ever tried to flush that thing? It's freaking HUGE! I know I'd have my plumber's friend out in no time if I tried. And don't get me started about the low-flow toilets.

So, yeh, literally unflushable.

111 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:03:36am
“kill the infidels and steal their property.”


I still do not see the problem here

/Hussein Obama

112 dahozho  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:03:57am

This school has been under scrutiny for YEARS. I can't believe no action has been taken on the curriculum. This is a Saudi-funded school-- pure and simple, like the Wahabi cr*p with which they indoctrinate the students.

And has already been pointed out, a valedictorian has been jailed on making terrorist threats against POTUS. Somehow, I don't see the attitude of the general student body being any different.

113 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:04:11am

re: #111 LeftJustAintRight

but if you insist, he'll throw them under the bus soon

114 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:04:17am

re: #102 Charles

This school should have been shut down right after 9/11. Instead the morons who think like 13% of those MSNBC poll responders have let it continue spreading poison for years.

After 9/11 there was a window open for a sane America to once again grab hold of it's destiny and to protect it's future. With stuff like this and today's Court ruling, I get the feeling it is all slipping away. G-D help us all.

115 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:04:28am

"That's not the Islamic Saudi Academy I knew."

/BHO

116 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:04:30am

re: #102 Charles

This school should have been shut down right after 9/11. Instead the morons who think like 13% of those MSNBC poll responders have let it continue spreading poison for years.

* * *
Do Saudis allow reciprocal Christian schools on their soil, yet? Are we still on our knees, begging along with the Pope, for permission to be "different"?

117 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:22am

The History Channel has a program on 9/11/01 right now. Showing people jumping from the towers.

118 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

You sir are the problem

119 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:36am

re: #95 Charles

For what it's worth... done.

120 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:40am

Saudi Arabia is like poison to the western civilization

121 little boomer  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:40am

I'm afraid many more Americans will have to die before they remember the main idea.

122 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:05:46am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

I'm in. No, I'm not one of the 13%

123 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:07am

re: #117 MandyManners

I can't watch those scenes any more :-(

124 Lantawa  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:13am

This is not good.

This is not what we want.

Directive: Correct this aberrant condition.

Make it so.......

125 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:14am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

Can't. I went there from your link and it will not let me vote.

126 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:23am

At least they're learning something and staying off the streets.

I mean, with Bush's war on Iraqi civilians, it's a miracle that any school has any money for anything.

G-d bless the wise and generous Saudi royal family for educating the youth.

Not like that dictator Bush who sends them off to the slaughter in foreign imperial adventures.

And don't get me started about McCain.....

127 see bs  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:30am

Wow..... Shut it down...Shut it down NOW

128 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #123 winston06

I can't watch those scenes any more :-(

I can. I must.

129 winston06  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:45am

re: #125 galloping granny

Open in a new window/tab

130 bosforus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:06:55am

So...did Lawrence leave or what?

131 little boomer  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:07:12am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

Way ahead of you, big guy.

132 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:07:14am
133 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:07:20am

re: #110 amphibian

Have you ever tried to flush that thing? It's freaking HUGE! I know I'd have my plumber's friend out in no time if I tried. And don't get me started about the low-flow toilets.

So, yeh, literally unflushable.

I would never flush it. No grant money.

I am going shopping later for art supplies...a glass "sun tea" jar, a Q'uran, and a case of Coors Light. Look for my artistic debut (no doubt in my mind) in New York soon. I'll be the guy surrounded by hawt neo-hippy chix wearing the NEA-funded pimpsuit.

134 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:07:21am

re: #114 Nevergiveup

After 9/11 there was a window open for a sane America to once again grab hold of it's destiny and to protect it's future. With stuff like this and today's Court ruling, I get the feeling it is all slipping away. G-D help us all.

Unfortunately, the Mohamads will provide us opportunity again to see the error of our ways.

135 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:08:17am

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Even private schools have to hold up to certain standards and practices to be accredited.

Some how, I dont think "Kill the Infidel and steal his stuff" fits the bill.

Our laws were built around decent people wanting to teach their kids to be decent adults. We're unprepared for evil like this. I bet there is not one damn thing on the books regarding how any subject should be taught, only that it is- with the possible exception of evolution. Maybe if enough crap like this surfaces there will be something about teaching lies, misogyny and pure hate, but I bet there's not much that can be legally done unless they can find something in there about incitement to violence, which has to be fairly immediate if I understand the law correctly.

This is just another example of evil people exploiting the freedoms of a free society. Our founding fathers could never have predicted this.

136 calvin coolidge  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:08:50am

What? They left out the important fact in their textbooks: "America is to blame for everything". The AP will help them with that oversight.

137 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #134 unrealizedviewpoint

Unfortunately, the Mohamads will provide us opportunity again to see the error of our ways.

I am afraid your right, I just hope it doesn't happen before I can get all my affairs in order.

138 Jamieos  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:09:07am

Thank you Charles. I VOTED!
Close the damned thing down immediately. What the hell is the county government thinking of - oh, right - the State Department would make a huge fuss.

139 mikalm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:09:08am

re: #95 Charles

Already voted "No way". But the 13% pro-Jihadist vote is holding.

140 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:09:11am

re: #129 winston06

Open in a new window/tab

I did. And I went there from the main page. And I made sure I had no cookies from the joint.

141 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:09:16am

re: #47 Onslow

Well this is reassuring:
...
"I would be less than frank if I didn't tell you that the curriculum does contain references to the Quran, which, if taken out of context and read literally, would cause come concern," Hyland said at the meeting at which the lease was extended.

Hey - Hyland, yeah you DUMBSHIT! LITERALLY is the only way Muslims are ALLOWED to read their quran. THAT IS THE WHOLE FREAKING PROBLEM!

142 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:04am

re: #126 Ben Hur

At least they're learning something and staying off the streets.

I mean, with Bush's war on Iraqi civilians, it's a miracle that any school has any money for anything.

G-d bless the wise and generous Saudi royal family for educating the youth.

Not like that dictator Bush who sends them off to the slaughter in foreign imperial adventures.

And don't get me started about McCain.....


Yeah, and let's not forget about that damned traitor turncoat neocon Liberman... [notice how I didn't call him a Jew-bastard, because I'm so tolerant]

143 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:07am
144 mikalm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:11am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

"A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." Robert Frost.

145 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:15am

repeating my #679 from previous thread:

This morning a female student of that very saudi academy called in to WMAL 630 AM's talk show swearing the saudi academy was a wonderful peaceful school she'd attended her whole life, and if they EVER said anything like what is alleged to be in those textbooks, she would have been the first to leave.

Nice savvy Taqiyya, kid--probably has parents working in DC for these folks!

146 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:18am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

Were they only teaching intolerance, or teaching that murdering is Okee-dokee with Allah? I expect religious schools to teach intolerance (eg a religious school might teach against drinking, premarital sex, abortion, and expel those who violate those rules.

Murder is not intolerance. Calling the teaching of murder 'intolerance', only obfuscates the problem. I am very intolerant of murder and pillage, and teaching it should not be allowed in any publicly supported school (even if it is just leases).

147 MES41067  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:26am

Were do we start and fix this crap before its to late?
1.US

148 Wumpus Hunter  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:39am

Funny, the ACLU has issues with the Boy Scouts using county space, but nary a word when a certain religion wants to set up madrassas.

149 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:10:46am

re: #63 songbird

Mr. Songbird insisted I take that picture! We were planning a follow up picture with our friends posing together - Native Americans, Oriental, African American, White, male and female - as Bitter Americans!

Excellent Idea - you could even post it as a blog on Obama's website :-)

150 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:02am

If that's what they are teaching in their textbooks in America, just think how bad it is in the rest of the Arab world.

(Of course this is ignored when discussing the Ewoks hatred of the Joos and Israelis)

151 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:03am

re: #135 angst

This is just another example of evil people exploiting the freedoms of a free society. Our founding fathers could never have predicted this.

You have hit the proverbial "nail on the head".

152 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:08am

As the post I made above shows, this school is by no measn "private". It is an extension of Saudi Arabia into America. It is paid for by the Saudi Government, not private funds. It is a clear attempt, stated in it's mission goal, to bring Islamic and Arabic values to America.

153 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:16am

To those who accept the hadith as a fundamental part of Islam, as do the orthodox sects, the punishments for apostasy and adultery are just. If they are not applied in regions where infidels rule that does not mean that the true believers should renounce their quest for a more allah friendly state. There are some fundamentalist christians and orthodox Jews who, were there not for a secular government impeding such, would be just fine with these punishments if they were done in the name of another god.

As a condition of residence new immigrants should be required to specifically renounce all teachings of their religion which would violate U.S. law.

It would be best if it were possible to get religion out of the mandatory education system altogether and confine it to the home, church, synagog, temple or mosque, but failing that strict guides with respect to textbooks and guidelines must be enforced as a requirement for accreditation.

154 johnnyreb  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:17am

Ah I remember the old school days;

readin, writin and suicide bombin......

155 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:11:22am

re: #65 Cygnus

Book of Armaments
/Monty Python

Ah, good afternoon Brother Maynard!

156 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:12:14am

The MSNBC poll seems to be locked, it hasn't changed for at least 5 minutes.

157 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:12:15am

re: #145 alegrias

repeating my #679 from previous thread:

This morning a female student of that very saudi academy called in to WMAL 630 AM's talk show swearing the saudi academy was a wonderful peaceful school she'd attended her whole life, and if they EVER said anything like what is alleged to be in those textbooks, she would have been the first to leave.

Nice savvy Taqiyya, kid--probably has parents working in DC for these folks!


It's like saying: and if you ever accuse us of being terrorists, we'll blow you to smithereens, you infidel.

158 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:12:31am
159 american jewess in jerusalem  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:12:33am

Perhaps the textbooks were taken out of context . . .

160 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:12:44am

Muslims sure like to fixate on the taking of other peoples property. That and rape seem to be the big things in this cult.

161 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:08am

I wonder what the kids are learning in shop class.

162 Wumpus Hunter  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:09am

The other scary thing is the results of the votes. 13% of the folks seem be think that showing tolerance by letting this go on is the best way to treat this, and another 20% think that changing the text books would actually change the teachings of the school.

163 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:15am

re: #66 mj

See Dick.
See Jane.
See Dick and Jane behead the Jew.
See Dick and Jane steal.
See Dick and Jane quote the Koran.
See Dick and Jane but never together.

See Spot run away from Dick.
See Spot shot by Dick.
See Dick say "Dogs are haraam".

164 alegrias  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:27am

Also, depending on where in Alexandria, VA the school is, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) the antisemite may be the congressional representative in whose district this school sits polluting young people of many nationalities.

Because US born children who are US Citizens attend this school, as was the young girl who called in to defend the school this morning on WMAL 630 am.

165 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:39am

re: #145 alegrias

repeating my #679 from previous thread:

This morning a female student of that very saudi academy called in to WMAL 630 AM's talk show swearing the saudi academy was a wonderful peaceful school she'd attended her whole life, and if they EVER said anything like what is alleged to be in those textbooks, she would have been the first to leave.

Nice savvy Taqiyya, kid--probably has parents working in DC for these folks!

It's always the fair females they throw out there first in their PR campaigns.

166 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:13:41am

We ask our legal immigrants, the newly minted citizens of this great nation, to swear a powerful oath of allegiance:


The Oath of Allegiance

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

From U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services


Shouldn't those coming in, even temporarily, swear an oath to uphold our laws?

167 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:14:03am

Saudi kingdom. In the review, the panel recommended that the school make all of its textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made before the next school year.


like that will fix the problem, I half suspect that the text books for next year will be even more anti-semitic

168 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:14:08am

re: #109 TalkinKamel

But---but---Pat Buchanan's magazine tells us that it's the Israelis we should be worried about! Ya see, we send them billions of dollars each year (just like the Palestinians), and a lady named "Maria" (doesn't want to give her last name) saw 3---or was it 4, or 5?---through her trusty binoculars on 9/11, and it looked as if they were dancing. Or making a film. Or doing something. Anyway, it was highly suspicious, and maybe they were up to something.

/Sarc.

(Share some of your Saudi stories with us, please!)

The one that really torqued me was a day I was in Riyahd. I was downtown looking around and I saw a Saudi National (Male) elegantly dressed in the usual garb but with rings, many of them and giant -you-know-what - brand watch on, with a boy behind him, then a wom an in the traditional black with her daughter in black behind that. They were walking on a sidewalk when they came up to a jewelry store. The man, shouted at the woman and girl said something in arabic (screw that language! I didn't bother) and forced them to the gound on the sidewalk in front of the jewelry store, obviously to beg for alms, because that's what they were doing. These were obvious people of means. I talked to me friend, and he said to leave that alone. That he was a member of the immediate royal family (I found out later, there are about 5000 "immediate" relatives) and that what he was doing was traditional.
In public. For all to see. Where is NOW? No where. Why? Spineless.

169 Glackinspeil  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:14:11am

My vote is in. Still at 13% yes

170 Iron Fist  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:14:37am

What's the big deal? This is just what Islam is. We should let Islam be freely practiced in the United States.

As freely practiced as Christianity is in Saudi Arabia, that is.

In all seriousness, this is the Islam we know. Who is really surprised?

171 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:00am

I voted yesterday. and it was at 13% then. Poll over?

172 Glackinspeil  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:17am

Ya ya ya ya know. I went to an islamic school in my youth.
These are not the islamic teachings I remember.

173 Jamieos  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:33am

Did anyone notice the question,"Should an Islamic school be allowed to lease county property while using textbooks that teach intolerance? "
This is under county jurisdiction - they can terminate the lease. Readers in the county should inundate the county commissioners. That's how these things get done! This has NOTHING to do with the Federal government or the State Department.

Get busy, Northern Virginians!

174 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #161 Ringo the Gringo

I wonder what the kids are learning in s Chop class.

175 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:54am

re: #128 MandyManners

re: #123 winston06

I can't watch those scenes any more :-(

re: Mandy

I can. I must.

Never Forget. Never Forgive.

Winston...IMO... a sad face icon when writing about September 11, 2001 is a sad, disgusting show of disrespect to those who were murdered that day.

176 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:15:59am

re: #173 Jamieos


They're at the mall.

177 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:16:16am

re: #150 Ben Hur

If that's what they are teaching in their textbooks in America, just think how bad it is in the rest of the Arab world.

(Of course this is ignored when discussing the Ewoks hatred of the Joos and Israelis)


It really staggers the mind. America has become naive in it's tolerance.

Had a discussion last night with someone actually bemoaning America's failure to hone its survival instincts. I blame my generation, actually, the hippie mentality and how we have been unable to grow up.

178 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:16:37am

re: #173 Jamieos

Did anyone notice the question,"Should an Islamic school be allowed to lease county property while using textbooks that teach intolerance? "
This is under county jurisdiction - they can terminate the lease. Readers in the county should inundate the county commissioners. That's how these things get done! This has NOTHING to do with the Federal government or the State Department.

Get busy, Northern Virginians!

Dang, I'm going to be in Northern VA in a couple of weeks!

179 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #110 amphibian

Have you ever tried to flush that thing? It's freaking HUGE! I know I'd have my plumber's friend out in no time if I tried. And don't get me started about the low-flow toilets.

So, yeh, literally unflushable.

You could always shred it first then flush it a bit at a time.
Holy Confetti!

180 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:17:23am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I'd go a step further and say this stuff shouldn't be allowed to be taught to children in mosques or homeschooling situations either.

Etm... yes to the former, but I really want a heck of lot of probable cause before the government can snoop in on what I tell my kids. (And I heart the patriot act and wire tapping and all that.)

181 ethanxxx  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:17:44am

I still believe that a solid legal case can be made to strip this Evil Cult of All Tax Exempt status. It won't shut them down, but it will slow them down, and we can re-claim some of that Oil Money through Property Taxes on all of these Mosques that litter our country.

182 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:17:44am

re: #92 MandyManners

I see that you up-dinged No. 36. Why? Do you approve of this crap?

It's free speech, Mandy. It's crap, but that's the way it is. I have my kids in a private school to, and believe me, the state would just love to get in there and regulate how and what they're taught. Look what the hate speech tribunals are doing to Mark Steyn up in Canada- that's exactly what we'd get here if we opened the door even a smidge to regulating thought and speech. Don't think we wouldn't- you know how the elitists would just love regulating what we think, do and say. They'd take a law aimed at radical Islam and use it against Catholics, Jews and whomever else hasn't drunk the purple kool-aid of political correctness.

Let these Islamofascists lose in the marketplace of ideas. Shame them, mock them, reveal them for who they are. Prosecute them for incitement to violence. But don't let them cow us into losing our freedoms.

183 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:17:55am

Careful now, this may just be part of the 9/11 backlash.....

184 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:18:06am

* The authors of a 12th-grade text on Quranic interpretation state that apostates (those who convert from Islam), adulterers and people who murder Muslims can be permissibly killed.
* The authors of a 12th-grade text on monotheism write that "(m)ajor polytheism makes blood and wealth permissible," meaning that a Muslim can take with impunity the life and property of someone believed guilty of polytheism. According to the panel, the strict Saudi interpretation of polytheism includes Shiite and Sufi Muslims as well as Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.
* A social studies text offers the view that Jews were responsible for the split between Sunni and Shiite Muslims: "The cause of the discord: The Jews conspired against Islam and its people. A sly, wicked person who sinfully and deceitfully professed Islam infiltrated (the Muslims)."

185 Roentgen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:18:11am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

The right of free speech must be protected. But here we are talking about kids, who also deserve to be protected. This is worse than yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater, and begs for oversight. Children do not have the power to make major choices in their primary education and are vulnerable. It is reasonable, and our duty, to call out anyone that might be poisoning their minds.

186 gibsonz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:18:16am

I voted to close that junior jihad academy ASAP...knowing MSNBC they will spin the results.

187 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:18:31am

I wish to point out that according to the Koran, all Jews and Christians are considered “polytheists".

188 autoexec  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:18:53am

Why would anyone expect an Islamic school to teach anything different than Islam - is beyond me. Killing infidels is a part of all Islamic denominations.

If you allow Islamic schools, let them be Islamic. If not - declare Islam illegal. If the State Department bans any bad references to Islam and declares it the Religion of Peace, the only logical conclusion is to let the school be open.

189 loppyd  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:19:05am

re: #186 gibsonz

I voted to close that junior jihad academy ASAP...knowing MSNBC they will spin the results.

Me too. It's up to 68%.

190 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:19:31am

re: #151 CoCo

You have hit the proverbial "nail on the head".

Thank you. Gotta run. Nice discussion, folks.

191 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:19:48am

re: #187 WrathofG-d


Yo!

192 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:20:03am
193 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:20:10am

re: #182 angst

It's free speech, Mandy. It's crap, but that's the way it is. I have my kids in a private school to, and believe me, the state would just love to get in there and regulate how and what they're taught. Look what the hate speech tribunals are doing to Mark Steyn up in Canada- that's exactly what we'd get here if we opened the door even a smidge to regulating thought and speech. Don't think we wouldn't- you know how the elitists would just love regulating what we think, do and say. They'd take a law aimed at radical Islam and use it against Catholics, Jews and whomever else hasn't drunk the purple kool-aid of political correctness.

Let these Islamofascists lose in the marketplace of ideas. Shame them, mock them, reveal them for who they are. Prosecute them for incitement to violence. But don't let them cow us into losing our freedoms.


They've crossed a line. It's no longer a freedom of speech thing. We're fools to allow them to stay open one more day. They are a direct threat to all of us.

194 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #96 paxnhymn
Isn't it see Mo's Dick in Aisha? (sorry for the off color).

195 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:21:28am

re: #186 gibsonz

I think it will be reported that the poll was showing that over 30% of Americans were in support of the Schools relgious and speech freedoms until the right-wing, Conservative, Islamaphobes (such as those from LGF) slanted the poll, proving that over 60% of America are Islamophobes.

196 Roentgen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

Just a reminder: the limit on free speech is not "shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater"; it is falsely shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Good point. If there's a real fire, I will be shouting my brains out.

197 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:21:57am

re: #191 Ben Hur

sup! you were M.I.A. a bit.

198 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #36 Lawrence Schmerel

This is a private school.

I don't approve of these teachings, but . . .

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

In case you were sleeping on 9/11 as well as all of the attacks on American interests in the years before, we are at WAR. They are the ENEMY.

199 McJenny50  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:22:35am

re: #95 Charles

The 13% probably represents the muslim vote

200 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #188 autoexec

Why would anyone expect an Islamic school to teach anything different than Islam - is beyond me. Killing infidels is a part of all Islamic denominations.

If you allow Islamic schools, let them be Islamic. If not - declare Islam illegal. If the State Department bans any bad references to Islam and declares it the Religion of Peace, the only logical conclusion is to let the school be open.


Up to the point of advocating violence. Once they cross that line, they need to be shut down.

201 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:22:53am

We should allow our Brave Troops to be like the ROK "White Horse Div." in 'Nam, take no prisoners!

202 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:22:55am

re: #197 WrathofG-d


Brought the Joo Flu back with me after a couple of weeks in ISrael.

203 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:23:03am

re: #139 mikalm

Already voted "No way". But the 13% pro-Jihadist vote is holding.

It's MSNBC - I'm sure it's on the up and up.

204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:23:16am

re: #187 WrathofG-d

I wish to point out that according to the Koran, all Jews and Christians are considered “polytheists".

I don't understand it fro the Jewish POV, but is it because of the Holy Trinity?

205 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:23:36am

COuldn't the SOuthern Poverty Center sue them out of existance.

If they were advocating White Power, that would be the course taken.

206 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #135 angst

Well, for public schools there are standards tests on them. I don't know what the regulations are for private/home schools (but I'll robably be finding out the day my kids bring home their kindergarten Global Warming or Tolerance projects)

207 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:24:09am

re: #66 mj

See Dick.
See Jane in burqa.
See Dick and Jane behead the Jew.
See Dick and Jane praised in Arab media.
See Dick and Jane steal.
See Dick's left hand and Jane's left hand on the ground (Qur'an 5:38)
See Dick and Jane quote the Koran.
See Dick and Jane stoned for being together without being related.

/slightly expanded version

208 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:25:39am

re: #182 angst

They're teaching kids that it is their duty to kill their fellow citizens.

You think that is protected speech?

209 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:25:46am

re: #202 Ben Hur


ahhhh the Zionist plot is moving along wonderfully then. (sorry to hear you were sick). How was Eretz?

210 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:26:27am

Teaching kids to kill and steal?

/isn't that what Grand Theft Auto is for?

211 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:26:39am

re: #120 winston06

Saudi Arabia Islam is like poison to the western civilization

Fixed it for ya.

212 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:27:07am

re: #173 Jamieos

Did anyone notice the question,"Should an Islamic school be allowed to lease county property while using textbooks that teach intolerance? "
This is under county jurisdiction - they can terminate the lease. Readers in the county should inundate the county commissioners. That's how these things get done! This has NOTHING to do with the Federal government or the State Department.

Get busy, Northern Virginians!

And really, theres a big difference between hatred/incitement to murder and intolerance.

213 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:27:15am

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

As I understood it, Christians are "those who made gods out of G-d" (Polytheists) because of the Trinity, and Jews are "those who made gods out of G-d" because of "false" Rabbinic interpretations of the Torah. (including the Talmud, and other Jewish books)

214 amphibian  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:27:20am

re: #166 songbird

We ask our legal immigrants, the newly minted citizens of this great nation, to swear a powerful oath of allegiance:


Shouldn't those coming in, even temporarily, swear an oath to uphold our laws?

I'm first generation. My parents swore for me (I was too young when we immigrated). I take it seriously.

215 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:27:26am

Apparently we have some people here too who are in favor of suicide.

216 gibsonz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #195 WrathofG-d

I think it will be reported that the poll was showing that over 30% of Americans were in support of the Schools relgious and speech freedoms until the right-wing, Conservative, Islamaphobes (such as those from LGF) slanted the poll, proving that over 60% of America are Islamophobes.
--------
You can bet on it, don`t forget the pain in the anchor`s voice as she reports this intolerance but happily smiles while summing up American casualties in Iraq.

217 loppyd  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:28:40am

re: #202 Ben Hur

Brought the Joo Flu back with me after a couple of weeks in ISrael.

LOL

218 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:29:17am

Charles
Obamas birth certificate
HERE

219 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:29:31am
220 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:30:19am

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't understand it fro the Jewish POV, but is it because of the Holy Trinity?

Yes, Trinity is a big problem, but with Christians it goes one step further, and it's a doozy...please excuse the God/Allah thing...I don't find them equivalent, but Muslims do:

In Islam, Issa (Jesus) is a prophet who spoke to Allah directly. This makes him a rasul, a "major" prophet. Issa was also born of a virgin. However, Issa is NOT the Son of God/Allah; Allah has no sons; we are creations/property.

If you are a Christian who does not believe Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, I submit respectfully that according to Christian beliefs you are NOT a Christian at all.

So here is the Catch-22: Christians are OK by Muslims, but only if they don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

Nice catch, huh?

221 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:30:34am
222 songbird  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:31:52am

re: #214 amphibian

I'm first generation. My parents swore for me (I was too young when we immigrated). I take it seriously.

My mother became a naturalized citizen when I was about 6, but I had not heard that oath until a few weeks ago when I participated in a naturalization ceremony. Most of us born as citizens need to read that oath and swear it for themselves. Let's start with the moonbat brigade! Would they swear that oath?

223 american jewess in jerusalem  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:32:15am

re: #90 dgax65


I agree with you completely, but I wonder whether those charged with the responsibility to examine the books are up to the task. People are giving Lawrence Schmerel a hard time, but I think maybe the point he is making is that all religious schools are potentially vulnerable now, simply because those in positions of authority have NO JUDGMENT. Scandinavia and Europe have already tried to outlaw circumcision and kosher slaughter, for example. It is obvious to US that a child's textbook teaching murder is over the line, but do you really trust the State Dept to be able to make distinctions between harmless and harmful religious practices? In the interest of being PC, will they now examine Christian and Jewish textbooks? Look how the media tried to smear Pastor Hagee because he adheres to the Christian teaching that homosexuality is a sin. It's not like he ever advocated killing gays!

224 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:32:35am

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

225 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:32:53am

re: #220 OldLineTexan

Like when that "interfaith" guy was "innocently" trying to convince Christians to drop the Trinity, to "better relations between Christians and Muslims". (We all must make hard sacrifices for peace you know...[we all being anyone but Muslims])

226 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:32:59am

But where will all this government intrusiveness lead - soon we'll ask the poor jihady school's to stop teaching classes such as:

Beheading Basics: Dull Butter Knife Sawing Action or Quick Chop?

Sui-belt and Kaffiyeh Fashion 101

Jew-dar: Tools for Efficient Junior 6-Sigma Infidel Hunters

Work Accident Prevention: Being Safe with Bomb Stuff

Mad-Smart: Use Rage to Get Infidels To Do Stuff

Islamofauxbia: Pushing The West's PC Buttons to Get Infidels To Do Stuff

227 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:33:13am

re: #153 annar


As a condition of residence new immigrants should be required to specifically renounce all teachings of their religion which would violate U.S. law.

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Good one. I'm surprised our judges do not require an oath of hatred toward the US and the capitalist system.

228 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:34:30am

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I don't understand it fro the Jewish POV, but is it because of the Holy Trinity?

Yes. Mo got the doctrine of the Trinity all wrong. He thought it means three gods not one God in three persons.

229 BrianA  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:35:05am
230 republic  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:35:25am

Because the U.S. Constitution was founded on Principals of The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the USA became the most free, most prosperous country in the history of mankind, and those same principals allowed the USA the strength to stop the worst war ever inflicted on mankind, WWII.

But, because America is relying less and less on the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, things like this insanity have been increasing at a rate never before seen.

The more God is pushed aside, the more this stuff is going to rapidly happen, with little to nothing being done about it.

Not my rules, I'm just pointing out simple facts.

Hate me if you must, but I love you all enough to speak the Truth.

Did it ever occur to anyone, that this stuff has become acceptable, that it is increasing, and that nothing is being done to stop it, in spite of all of the evidence and facts?

There's a message in there somewhere.

231 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:36:09am

re: #39 Charles

I wasn't kidding. I wasn't just trying to see how many negative hits I could rack up, although I really hit the jackpot.

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

My instinct is to oppose government censorship of books that belong to private institutions or individuals.

I did not know this school was on county property. It would be fine with me if the government refused to renew the lease. The government might also deny the school accreditation.

If laws have been broken, such as laws against inciting murder, I want to see the perpetrators prosecuted in a criminal court.

But, Charles. Even you, as a tireless advocate of anti-Islamization, have your limits. (Racist groups like Vlaams Belang, for example).

I have a problem with the idea that the government can be trusted with the power and the authority to require private institutions and individuals to make changes to the books they read to their children.

232 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:37:08am

re: #202 Ben Hur

Brought the Joo Flu back with me after a couple of weeks in ISrael.

A lovely parting gift from Olmert. How nice. :)

233 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:37:17am
234 guy_philly  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:37:17am

I did my patriotic duty and cast my vote for closing the Islamic school of hate.

While I am on the topic of patriotic duty, I urge you all to sign the petition to Drill Here, Drill Now, and Pay Less.

236 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:38:09am

re: #199 McJenny50

The 13% probably represents the muslim vote

Exept Muslims aremaybe 2% of the population, if you stretch it.

/I smell the moral equivalence of bleeding heart moonbat Bonkeys in that MSNBC vote

237 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:38:12am

Just so no one is in doubt, I also oppose racist groups like Vlaams Belang even though they are involved in anti-Islmaization.

238 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #224 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

Let's ask Daniel Pearl his opinion on that one.

239 republic  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:40:30am

re: #231 Lawrence Schmerel

I wasn't kidding. I wasn't just trying to see how many negative hits I could rack up, although I really hit the jackpot.

I don't like the idea of private schools having to make their "textbooks available to the State Department so changes can be made."

My instinct is to oppose government censorship of books that belong to private institutions or individuals.

I did not know this school was on county property. It would be fine with me if the government refused to renew the lease. The government might also deny the school accreditation.

If laws have been broken, such as laws against inciting murder, I want to see the perpetrators prosecuted in a criminal court.

But, Charles. Even you, as a tireless advocate of anti-Islamization, have your limits. (Racist groups like Vlaams Belang, for example).

I have a problem with the idea that the government can be trusted with the power and the authority to require private institutions and individuals to make changes to the books they read to their children.

How many private U.S. schools are literally teaching the students to kill "infidels"?

240 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:40:54am

re: #218 Typicalwhitey

Charles
Obamas birth certificate
HERE

that does not look like any Hawaiian BC I have ever seen. Not saying its false, but I have several spanning generations at hand, although not the decade of Obam's birth. The include exact place of birth, for example, Wilcox Hospital. The treating physician signs, middle names and maiden names are mandatory. It is laid out in a grd. The State seal is not present. It is half a sheet, that is 8"x 5". Time of borth is missing as well as addresses. I so not see the embossing.

241 lobo91  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:41:20am

re: #166 songbird

Shouldn't those coming in, even temporarily, swear an oath to uphold our laws?

The problem is that Muslims don't consider such an oath to be valid, since it contradicts their beliefs.

They'll swear it, if required, but not actually follow it.

242 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:41:24am
243 incanus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #95 Charles

Time for lizards to vote in this poll:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

13% answer: "Yes. One way to teach tolerance is to show tolerance."

I'm just flabbergasted.

"Multiculturalism is one society's tolerance of other societies' intolerance."

-- Mark Steyn

244 incanus  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #102 Charles

This school should have been shut down right after 9/11. Instead the morons who think like 13% of those MSNBC poll responders have let it continue spreading poison for years.

13% is nowhere near a majority. Let's overrule these people by all legal means possible.

245 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:42:40am

re: #153 annar

... There are some fundamentalist christians and orthodox Jews who, were there not for a secular government impeding such, would be just fine with these punishments if they were done in the name of another god.

Nice, subtle way to work in some Christian- and Jew-bashing there.

I used to be a fundamentalist Christian and you couldn't be more wrong.

Anyone who supports such punishments is way out there on the fringes and is ignoring the teachings of Christ.

Any true fundamentalist Christian would believe that Allah is a false god and would not support anything done in his name.

246 republic  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:44:04am

re: #240 pat

that does not look like any Hawaiian BC I have ever seen. Not saying its false, but I have several spanning generations at hand, although not the decade of Obam's birth. The include exact place of birth, for example, Wilcox Hospital. The treating physician signs, middle names and maiden names are mandatory. It is laid out in a grd. The State seal is not present. It is half a sheet, that is 8"x 5". Time of borth is missing as well as addresses. I so not see the embossing.

How would some moron from Kos get Obama's birth certificate?

Shesh!

247 republic  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:46:04am

re: #245 Josephine

Nice, subtle way to work in some Christian- and Jew-bashing there.

I used to be a fundamentalist Christian and you couldn't be more wrong.

Anyone who supports such punishments is way out there on the fringes and is ignoring the teachings of Christ.

Any true fundamentalist Christian would believe that Allah is a false god and would not support anything done in his name.

Fundamentalist Christians preach Christ and Him Crucified, period.

248 pat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:46:22am

re: #246 republic

How would some moron from Kos get Obama's birth certificate?

Shesh!

Actually, there are ways. But I don't believe this guy could. The point is, I think this may be a forgery.

249 Wumpus Hunter  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #218 Typicalwhitey

Not sure, but this seems to be a bad fake for a couple of reasons.

1a. look at the form info (lower left corner) see the 11/01? Doesn't this mean that the form was updated November of 2001?

1b. Laser on the same line?

2. This is not a "copy" as in a xerox of the original. This is a newly generated one. Where is a copy of the original...

I may be way off base but something seems odd.

250 Crashnburn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:47:52am

My son used to wrestle in the youth leagues against many teams in Northern VA. One such team was from the Islamic Saudi Academy. Their families would not interact at all with the other teams and the boys would not speak to their opponents. We figured it was a cultural thing. Their facility, at least to my knowledge, never, over a period of four years, ever hosted a meet either.

Regardless, one thing still sticks in my head - at the end of the wrestling season in spring, 2001 they mysteriously pulled out of the league, never to return. Wierd timing, eh?

For reference, my son never lost to a ISA kid... and he always wished his opponent "Good luck" prior to every match.

251 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:48:44am

All who don't understand why this is allowed are skipping over the word Saudi in the school's name.

Is there anything this Administration will not bend over for if it's Saudi?

252 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #245 Josephine

In some ways though, the "quoted" persons assumptions are correct, but that isn't the point. It isn't about whether or not one would accept them, it about whether they teach them, and what the role is of the Government to do about this being taught.

The U.S. decided to not be a Christian Law Country, but instead to be a Judeo-Christian Country with non-overtly religous Law, that would respect religion, while at the same time create a "secular" order of things that would not put one religion's laws over another.

That beings said, in the U.S. we do not decide if Islamic Law, or Christian Law, or Judaic Law should be followed and which is better but instead follow American Law. American Law does not allow for the teaching of murder, death, and the destruction of all of those who are not Muslim. It respects religion and tolorance!

253 Crashnburn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:50:04am

re: #249 Wumpus Hunter

Anyone check to see if they used the same IBM Selectric typewriter that Dan Rather found to create decades old documents with Times New Roman font?

254 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:50:12am

re: #208 Ringo the Gringo

They're teaching kids that it is their duty to kill their fellow citizens.

You think that is protected speech?

No. That's incitement to violence. There ought to be plenty on the books to get them for that.

But you know what? These kids are going to get the same message at home, whether this school is open or not. All I am saying is we need to be careful of what we wish for. Like my mom used to say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and we'd better be careful before we go tampering with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

re: #206 nikis-knight

Well, for public schools there are standards tests on them. I don't know what the regulations are for private/home schools (but I'll robably be finding out the day my kids bring home their kindergarten Global Warming or Tolerance projects)

Exactly why I know about schools and the law (in my state it's pretty relaxed- or lax, some would say). I homeschooled my kids and then put them in a parochial school when they got too smart for me. The standards vary greatly from state to state- California just effectively outlawed homeschooling. Despite the fact that homeschoolers do better than public school educated kids, over all. But, you see, they're not getting the right kind of education.

255 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:50:16am

re: #240 pat

that does not look like any Hawaiian BC I have ever seen. Not saying its false, but I have several spanning generations at hand, although not the decade of Obam's birth. The include exact place of birth, for example, Wilcox Hospital. The treating physician signs, middle names and maiden names are mandatory. It is laid out in a grd. The State seal is not present. It is half a sheet, that is 8"x 5". Time of borth is missing as well as addresses. I so not see the embossing.

Does not mean much. I have a photocopy of my original birth certificate which contained detailed information like you mentioned but a duplicate requested years later (Indiana in my case) looks like that Obama document. Minimal information and probably the result of standardization when all the existing documents were computerized.

256 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:50:30am

the saudis have so much money to buy and corrupt our educational system from elementary school to the university.
we cannot allow these terrorists to continue planting their evil w/in our own country.
they are not educating, they are turning out jihadis. "kill the infidels and take their property".
this is what they try to do all over the world. we are assisting in our own suicide to allow to allow the saudis to spread their malignant rop.

257 Guy_Philly  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:51:37am

re: #240 pat

One correctoin: Hour of birth given at 7:24 PM

258 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:55:31am

Obama says none of the the allegeded objectionable material was ever taught while any students were actually present at that Va. school.

259 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #245 Josephine


Anyone who supports such punishments is way out there on the fringes and is ignoring the teachings of Christ.

Any true fundamentalist Christian would believe that Allah is a false god and would not support anything done in his name.


I was talking about fringe people but the punishments prescibed in Islam are consistent with those advocated in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy).

As for Allah, IMO he is just as fictional as Yahweh.

260 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:57:51am

alleged

261 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:58:18am

re: #247 republic

Fundamentalist Christians preach Christ and Him Crucified, period.

I know it.

262 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 9:59:52am

re: #153 annar

I do not see how you could pursue the goal of creating "a more allah-friendly state" while also requiring new immigrants to renounce those portions of their religion which are against U.S. law.

If the majority of Islamics ever genuinely renounce those portions of their religion, clearly set out in the Koran and its supplemental holy texts, that encourage and sometimes even demand that its followers rob, rape, enslave, and/or kill the infidel, then there would be NO NEED to create "a more allah-friendly state."

Because most Americans are pretty tolerant of people who aren't threatening to kill them, enslave their families, and destroy their entire culture. And so is the law.

263 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:00:34am

Look at the bright side, at least Bush is not giving this Saudi school a nuclear reactor.

264 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:00:53am

re: #230 republic

Yup. That is why I said the founding fathers could never have predicted this.

265 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:01:27am
266 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:01:45am
267 rudytbone  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:02:17am

I'm gonna get killed here, but...

The school should be left open.

EXCEPT
1) IF it is not providing the required material in the 3Rs
2) IF the county is giving the school a sweetheart deal that others would not be able to get.

Y'all are getting too close to being Thought Police here. They have a right to believe in Islam, they have a right to teach Islam. I abhor what they believe in and are teaching, but they have a right to do that. What if they closed down a Catholic school because they taught that homosexuality was wrong? I for one do not want to cross the line of censoring one's thoughts.

It should be left open. And every day, at every possible chance, this school should be kept in the spotlight, showing the world what radical Islam really believes in. Like Auschwitz and Buchenwald, this should be used as a reminder of what the evil really looks like.

268 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:03:11am

re: #265 ploome hineni

Jews and Christians are considered 'people of the book' and not poytheists

Problem is the tittle of the book is "Convert or Die Infidel".

269 daddycrack  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:09:23am

re: #267 rudytbone

Teaching that something is morally wrong is light years away from teaching that you may seize the land of someone that does not believe your views. Strawman.

270 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:10:50am

The Islamic Saudi Academy in VA does espouse peace - the peace achieved after the extermination of the non-muslims. Let's all hear it for peace.

271 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:13:33am

re: #262 lurking faith

It's an us and them thing. Polls show that many Muslims living in the west would like to apply Shari'a law in their communities; that is the making it more allah friendly part. I do not expect Muslims to be overtly in favor of the religious de-affirmation part but there is a precedent that goes back to a condition for Utah's admission into the union. The renunciation of state approved polygamy led to a new 'revelation' in the Mormon cult. A homologous situation with Islam is improbable but it's worth a try.

272 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:15:41am

re: #259 annar

I was talking about fringe people but the punishments prescibed in Islam are consistent with those advocated in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy).

As for Allah, IMO he is just as fictional as Yahweh.

Okay, but I don't remember you specifying the fringe-dwellers in your comment. I accept your clarification.

I'm not describing the differences based on my religious beliefs but on the differences between what is taught and practiced in the here-and-now.

Comparing the book of Deuteronomy with modern-day Christianity is not a valid argument. Modern-day Islam might point to some aspects of the Old Testament as proof that our religions are morally equivalent but they are wrong.

Show me a real Christian church or a real synagogue that advocates, and practices, the stoning of adulterers, etc. (And I don't mean an episode of Law & Order, LOL.)

Christian churches have changed with the times, mostly for the better.

I recently had a highly educated, well-respected man, who holds a top position in his field, tell me that modern society is in as much danger from Christian fundamentalists as it is from Islamic fundamentalists. (This man is Jewish and a leftist.)

It simply is not a valid issue.

273 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:16:49am
“kill the infidels and steal their property.”

They must be referring to an 'inner killing', and 'metaphorical stealing'.

274 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:19:08am

re: #267 rudytbone

It should be left open. And every day, at every possible chance, this school should be kept in the spotlight, showing the world what radical Islam really believes in. Like Auschwitz and Buchenwald, this should be used as a reminder of what the evil really looks like.


Auschwitz and Buchenwald are not still in operation, though they are left standing. I'd be fine with that here as well.

275 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:23:08am

If the Islamic Saudi Academy in VA is closed where will students go to learn to kill? A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

276 rudytbone  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:25:35am

re: #269 daddycrack

daddycrack...I'll add then....homosexuality is wrong and homosexuals should be stoned to death. Same concept. People go around espousing that the US Government should be violently overthrown. Also same concept. Preaching/Teaching violent criminal acts. But still thoughts. Until they become deeds, they are not illegal.

I think you miss my point. It's the slippery slope. Once you censor thoughts you don't approve of, someone else will then censor thoughts you may agree with. Here's an example in Canada.
http://ezralevant.com/2008/06/albertas-censorship- of-rev-boi.html

If they have DONE something illegal, hell yeah, close 'em down, the sooner the better. But don't close them down because you don't agree with them. I don't agree with NAMBLA. I doubt anyone here does. They preach/teach illegal acts. But the organization itself is legal. Because if you shutdown NAMBLA, the NRA may be next.

277 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:26:14am

re: #272 Josephine

Okay, but I don't remember you specifying the fringe-dwellers in your comment. I accept your clarification.

I'm not describing the differences based on my religious beliefs but on the differences between what is taught and practiced in the here-and-now.

Comparing the book of Deuteronomy with modern-day Christianity is not a valid argument. Modern-day Islam might point to some aspects of the Old Testament as proof that our religions are morally equivalent but they are wrong.

Show me a real Christian church or a real synagogue that advocates, and practices, the stoning of adulterers, etc. (And I don't mean an episode of Law & Order, LOL.)

Christian churches have changed with the times, mostly for the better.

I recently had a highly educated, well-respected man, who holds a top position in his field, tell me that modern society is in as much danger from Christian fundamentalists as it is from Islamic fundamentalists. (This man is Jewish and a leftist.)

It simply is not a valid issue.

Josephine, it's your highly educated, well-respected man who frightens me. Really, he's the terrorist's best friend.

278 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:28:46am

re: #267 rudytbone

I don't care if Islam teaches that I'm a polytheist, a misguided monotheist, or a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater.

And I don't care if it teaches that every facet of my belief is wrong, or that I am a sinner and surely damned.

But when it teaches that it is good to kill me, or do anything to anyone that is against the law, I want this to be fought with every legal tool.

You mention that Catholicism teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Its schools can teach that, whether you or I like it or not. But if Catholic schools began teaching that it was acceptable to lynch homosexuals, I would be outraged and demand that it be stopped.

279 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:30:19am

re: #271 annar

And whatever happened to equality before the law? You are suggesting that we give up the founding principle of our nation, the one thing that truly sets us apart from all others.

I say no.

NO.

280 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:30:33am

You think Saudi schools espousing murder have trouble here:
"My recommendation is going to be no thongs or string bikinis," City Councilwoman Nina Laycook said Tuesday re Kanab, Utah’s soon-to-open public pool.

281 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:32:56am

Wait till a Saudi school trys to open in Laycooks district.

282 Alibaba  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:33:57am

I'm sure that Jimmah Carter approves the texts. Anything that causes problems for Jews is ok for Jimmah!re: #13 stanlef

283 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:35:02am

re: #265 ploome hineni
It seems to depend on which Imam you ask and which texts you consult.

Some do consider Christians polytheists.

(Muslims don't all believe exactly the same thing, you know. The texts contradict themselves, so it's easy to see how that could happen.)

284 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:37:06am

re: #276 rudytbone

I think what you're getting at is something that has troubled me for a long time. This country was based on Western principles of free speech, autonomy, reason and freedom, all of it made possible by a JudeoChristian culture. Autonomy is literally "self-rule", not "I can do what ever I want" which is what people have come to believe.

So what do we do when people no longer believe in self-rule, but rather that anything goes because after all, "it's a free country." If we can't rely on people to be good and decent, because after all that's so "judgmental" (remember when having good judgement was desirable), what are we going to rely on? A bunch of laws? And who will administer those laws? Josephine's "highly educated, well-respected man?"

I am afraid we will go from a society worthy of Locke to one deserving of Rosseau.

285 rudytbone  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:39:18am

re: #278 lurking faith

I have no problem with what you said and I would encourage your protests. I believe that schools of these types should be protested as vigorously as possible. If civil actions can shut them down, great, have at it. What I'm opposed to is making thoughts criminal.

BTW...I don't mean to pick on the Catholic Church...and I don't believe that they actually classify homosexuality as a sin. It was just helpful to advance the argument.

Also...it's darn nice to be able to have disagreement on a blog without name calling. I don't comment here much but read regularly and it's one of the aspects of LGF that I appreciate.

286 antishock8[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:41:28am
287 Solomon2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:45:26am

"kill the infidels and steal their property.”

According to the Islamic Preparatory Conference on Religious Dialogue, this only happens due to "erroneous slanders" against Islam. If critics would just shut up, they say, things like this wouldn't happen at all! (Note: one of the attendees was wanted by Interpol for his role in the bombing of an Argentine cultural center. Saudi Arabia ignored the international arrest warrant.)

288 CLLRusso  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:46:46am

It is these times I don't wonder where our common sense has gone, it has been eaten alive by political correctness and multiculturalism. Perhaps the libs are content to go down believing they have somehow provided for some greater good is advocating this crap, but I will not. Close it down and kick the administrators back to the ME. The US Constitution is SUPPOSED to protect us from this kind of stuff, so where are the congressional hearing into how Islam is being allowed to eat it's way in to educational system and our lives? If I get even a whiff of it in my grandchildrens' schools there will be HELL to pay.

289 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:50:44am

re: #272 Josephine

By some counts there are thousands of christian sects so the extent of their beliefs with respect to all these issues is impossible to ascertain. It is certain. however, that if any actually tried to do a stoning the law would come down on them hard.

To be more current many, if not most, christian sects equate abortion to murder but do not publicly call for the murder of abortion providers tlthough they might pray for god to smite them. But history has shown that some deranged believers think that since their church calls this murder they have the right to carry out god's vengeance.

290 antishock8  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:51:59am

They're teaching sedition. When is that allowed in the US?

291 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:54:33am

I need to aty away from work- that school is not far from me and I am a Jew-one of the sly conniving people.

292 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:54:37am

re: #290 antishock8

Any time a kid enrolls in college, that's when.

293 cartoonboy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 10:58:17am

They teach practical real world krazi mad skillz.

294 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:08:12am

re: #238 Cygnus

Let's ask Daniel Pearl his opinion on that one.

Here. Here. And ya know, ya just can't go from one side of town to the next without running across an islamic hospital, or an islamic center for the arts, or and islamic food bank...

295 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:16:01am

re: #289 annar

By some counts there are thousands of christian sects so the extent of their beliefs with respect to all these issues is impossible to ascertain. It is certain. however, that if any actually tried to do a stoning the law would come down on them hard.

To be more current many, if not most, christian sects equate abortion to murder but do not publicly call for the murder of abortion providers tlthough they might pray for god to smite them. But history has shown that some deranged believers think that since their church calls this murder they have the right to carry out god's vengeance.


Big-un don't need no stinkin' help! That's what cracks me up about islam. The hypersensitivity. They really have no concept of omnipotence. They've gotta do everything they can to help their "deity" because he's so frail, that he can't handle things himself. Why bother with that kind of a "god"....puny....

296 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:16:13am

re: #277 angst

Josephine, it's your highly educated, well-respected man who frightens me. Really, he's the terrorist's best friend.

I agree that his type is dangerous because of the way they vote (probably socialist; possibly liberal).

He's not the terrorist's best friend; he's just not well-informed about the current state of the two religions and their adherents. He probably reads the Toronto Star and the Globe & Mail and listens to the CBC. The Islamic spokesmen he hears from are all the taqiya (sp?) types.

He also believes all guns should be banned. (I'm in Canada.)

297 finallyopen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:23:42am

There was a story earlier in June about police searching the school because of failure to report suspected abuse of a student.

[Link: www.nbc4.com...]

298 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:25:55am

Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a K-8 charter school in Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota


One can only wonder what's in their text books.

299 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:28:23am

re: #298 Dustyvet

Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a K-8 charter school in Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota

Katherine Kersten, March 9: Are taxpayers footing bill for Islamic school in Minnesota?

One can only wonder what's in their text books.

300 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:31:09am

re: #289 annar

By some counts there are thousands of christian sects so the extent of their beliefs with respect to all these issues is impossible to ascertain. It is certain. however, that if any actually tried to do a stoning the law would come down on them hard.

To be more current many, if not most, christian sects equate abortion to murder but do not publicly call for the murder of abortion providers tlthough they might pray for god to smite them. But history has shown that some deranged believers think that since their church calls this murder they have the right to carry out god's vengeance.

I'd be surprised if any mainstream Christians prayed for God to smite an abortionist. If they truly followed Christ's teachings, they would pray for their salvation, etc. As for wackos in "sects" (which I would call cults), they do not represent established, mainstream Christian teachings or practice.

You won't find people advocating murder or theft in a mainstream Bible college. And the mainstream Christians outnumber the wackos who call themselves Christians.

The journalist Michael Coren has said that more abortionists have been killed on Law & Order and other such TV shows than in real life. It doesn't happen that often and is not supported by any Christian teaching. (Old Testament, Ten Commandments: You shall not murder.)

Fringe-dwellers do not represent mainstream Christians.

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:33:22am
302 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:35:34am
303 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:39:39am

Kidnapping Infidels is allowed too.

Jewish Daughter Returns to Her Family at Last

A now-elderly Jewish woman will soon be reunited with her long-lost brothers and sisters, 55 years after she was kidnapped by an Arab neighbor and "disappeared off the face of the earth."

Hanna Menasche, then a 21-year-old Iraqi Jewess, was married to a Jewish man and the couple was preparing to move to Israel with her parents and seven siblings at the time of the abduction, according to a report published Thursday in Ynet.

Her kidnapper, enamored of her, forced her to convert to Islam and to raise his children. After his death she fled Iraq, making her way to an Israeli consulate in Europe where she told her story. She is expected to arrive shortly in Israel to be with her family, although her parents are no longer alive to greet her.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

304 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:45:51am
305 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #304 ploome hineni

she needs to go on OPRAH

If an Austrian or anyone else had kidnapped and converted a young woman and forced her to have his children, it would be worthy news.

A victim of an Islamic mindset is a dog bites man story. You won't see it anywhere else.

306 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:55:07am
307 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:55:54am
308 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:57:31am

re: #307 ploome hineni

how can we make it go viral?

any suggestions?

Charles could make it a thread?

309 angst  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 12:25:05pm

re: #296 Josephine

I agree that his type is dangerous because of the way they vote (probably socialist; possibly liberal).

He's not the terrorist's best friend; he's just not well-informed about the current state of the two religions and their adherents. He probably reads the Toronto Star and the Globe & Mail and listens to the CBC. The Islamic spokesmen he hears from are all the taqiya (sp?) types.

He also believes all guns should be banned. (I'm in Canada.)

I need to clarify- what I meant was he is the terrorist's best friend- but he doesn't know it. He's a tool, an unwitting apologist.

The American type is just like the Canadian type except he prefers US leftist media. Oh wait, I take that back. I think his primary source of information is the BBC because all of the American media are too geocentric, patriotic and lacking in nuance for him.

310 annar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 1:33:12pm

re: #295 paxnhymn

Big-un don't need no stinkin' help! That's what cracks me up about islam. The hypersensitivity. They really have no concept of omnipotence. They've gotta do everything they can to help their "deity" because he's so frail, that he can't handle things himself. Why bother with that kind of a "god"....puny....

In Islam the only guaranteed way to the gardens of paradise is through Jihad. And despite what the Taqiyya spieling moderates say, 90+% of the hadith that mention Jihad do so in the context of war against the infidels.

So the comparison is that most christian sects believe that doing good works, even when they benefit unbelievers, can help toward a good outcome in the next life whereas, in Islam good works toward other Muslims is an obligation with no guarantees. Do Jihad if you want a heavenly reward.

Disclaimer: I have no dog in this fight being a real full spectrum unbeliever.

311 EE  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 2:27:35pm
that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed “polytheists.”

The main lesson to be learned from this is that murder is permitted (as well as robbing people's possessions) on the basis of their religious beliefs.

In the book Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism, by Dore Gold, there is some interesting information on page 22-23 that sheds some more light on this and on Wahhabism, the official sect of the Saudi-Wahhabis:


Ayyub Sabri Pasha (died 1890), a rear admiral in the Ottoman navy during the reign of Sultan Abdul Hamit Khan II (1876-1909), coauthored a history on the origins of Wahhabism. According to this account, ibn Abdul Wahhab [the founder of Wahhabism] and ibn Saud declared that those who would not accept Wahhabism were "disbelievers and polytheists," and so it was permissible "to kill them and confiscate their possessions." Wahhabism could thus be spread by force, militarily.



So, according to the Wahhabi belief system, who can be murdered on the basis of their religion? Anybody who is not a Wahhabi. And regarding these same people, their possessions can be confiscated.

312 markie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 2:39:02pm

The Koran is a not so subtle threat to the non-muslim world. Some of these people will be making nice right up to the moment of their beheading.

The whole idea of telling us the Koran isn't saying what it says is right out of the same tradition as haggling at a market. At it's worst, you're told the item is just what you are looking for, the negatives are of no consequence, and the cost is not as out of reason as it appears. All the while you're being grinned at, waiting for you to take the bait.

313 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 3:50:52pm

12 hours after this thread was posted, the vote count at NBC -with more than 14k votes- is 70% in favor of shutting down that school immediately.
Heh.

314 zfog888  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:03:18pm

Isn't there any way in the US that a civil suit can be brought against people publishing and teaching this type of crap?

I'm thinking about a slander suit?

Where is the ACLU when you need them?

315 UncleSam  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:30pm

Isn't it illegal to call for the murders of those who don't belong to your organization?
And isn't also illegal to demand the murder of those who leave such an organztaion?
Doesn't this mean that Islam is an outlawed criminal organiation, and not a religion?
Islam should be outlawed and prosecuted under the RICO statutes.

316 UncleSam  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:49pm

Meant "organization."
I'm really ill with a sore throat and cold and the cough syrup's making me groggy.

317 Carolyn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:39:43pm

According to Muhammad
The path of those who have earned Allah’s anger are the Jews, and those who have gone astray are the Christians.

318 Ban Draoi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:07:46pm

re: #204 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yes it is; they think that Christians worship three gods.

In my undergraduate days, I got into a debate with an Arab about just that; he kept insisting that Chrristians worship three gods. Finally I walked away in disgust after telling him that I could not conduct a rational discussion with an irrational person.

319 Gretchen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:32:09pm

I think the issue here is county property. I'll bet the 13% who voted "one way to teach tolerance is to practice tolerance" (otherwise known as moonbats) don't feel that way about the "radical hate group" Boy Scouts of America. BSA troops aren't allowed to rent county or school buildings in many communtities. I'll bet the muslim school has a more stringent policy against gays than BSA.

320 Eloah  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:44:40pm

Evening all. I live in Hawaii, both of my sons were born here and I hate to be anti-climatic, but that is what a State of Hawaii BC looks like. You get some cheesy non-official deal from the hospital (mine were born in Kapiolani) but you get the ugly green one from the State. Wedding certs look just like it. Sucks to be from here from a political point of view. Most voters here base their vote on where someone went to High School...and sorry about our whole congressional delegation as well. I am thankful for Kucinich because he steals the crazy thunder from Neil and Mazie.

321 Eloah  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:46:28pm

Crap. Wrong thread.

322 punch the hippie  Sat, Jun 14, 2008 8:01:14pm

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