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Daily Kos Posts Obama 'Birth Certificate'

Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:56:41 am PDT

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas has posted what he says is Barack Obama’s birth certificate, with no explanation of how he obtained it: Daily Kos: Obama’s birth certificate.

It looks genuine. But Moulitsas is definitely not a trustworthy source. I need details on how he got this image before I’ll completely believe it. The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives. Is the Obama campaign now leaking things to Daily Kos, or did Moulitsas misrepresent himself to the state of Hawaii to get it?

(Hat tip: Hot Air.)

UPDATE at 6/12/08 10:12:09 am:

This is NOT a birth certificate, it’s a “certification of live birth” — a slightly different thing.

And yes, the campaign did give it to Moulitsas for posting; he says so in the comments.

UPDATE at 6/12/08 10:21:56 am:

LGF reader Jinxmedic has some more information:

A “certificate of live birth” is a government extract of the original birth certificate filed with the state or commonwealth. The certificate shown on Kos’ page is what you would get if you applied for a duplicate of an existing birth certificate, in the event that you needed it for employment or identification, or whatever. It is NOT a copy of the original document, simply the extracted information printed onto a proprietary paper at the time of the request. So, yes, a certificate of live birth from 1961 can be authentic, printed via Microsoft Word with a laser printer.

UPDATE at 6/12/08 10:54:41 am:

The interesting aspect of this story to me is that the Obama campaign apparently has close ties to a web site that hosts content like this: Daily Kos: Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of Israel.

Israel embody the vessel of boiling blood of horror and perfidy in demonic vileness for its pattern of terrorism and murder in the name of Zionist ideology. It has earned the arsenal of nuclear warheads through stolen intelligence in betrayal, estimated to number between 200 to over 500, through a covert development at Dimona underground nuclear reactor built in the late 50’s, to which President Kennedy, as an anti-nuclear weapon peacenik who signed Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, objected and had considerable tense relationship with the then-Third Prime Minister David Ben Gurion before his abrupt resignation for “personal reasons” on June 21, 1963. After the murder of JFK, Israel has extended its Zionistic tentacle to grasp the United States by the neck to leech on to that manifest the radical foreign policy about-face to morally and materially support State of Israel in no uncertain (and unconditional) terms.

With Israel as a formidably superior power to Arabic and Central Asian states - and impress the world at large - because of its proven military prowess (excepting rare cases of conceding defeat such as 2006 Israel-Lebanon War) backed by the intimidating Schwarzeneggerian military strength of Uncle Sam as its puppet like Master Blaster from the film Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome that hold power truce with the present world civilization, Israel has determined the fate of the world at large with its superb conniving faculty veiled in the art of influence and might.

With the secret nuclear warhead arsenals scattered in secure storages and seated in the racks of the bomber planes and on the head of the missiles awaiting idle somewhere in the conquered land, Israel’s conceited sense of its right to rule the world as the “chosen” children, in part or whole, cannot be had without the hijacking of the financial and military sectors of Imperial West to facilitate the culture of a misanthrophically destructive program in subduing the Middle East region for its consumption in drinking the wine of despotic power to expand by the proxies of war.

Drunken by its belief of entitlement and arrogance - as well as inability to streamline the management of the Israeli economy for great liberalization of the sluggish economy beset by bureaucratic incompetence and vanity because it feeds on the carcass of the financial corpses of the United States and Germany in reparations perpetuated in the name of the victims of the Nazi Holocaust (which enlightened the Zionists to convene the fulfillment of Theodor Herzl’s penile fantasy for the permanent home of the scattered tribe of brutish and incorrigible Ashkenazi Khazar descendants to assimilate the customs, culture and genetics of the ancient Israelites) - Israel now believes it has the power to exercise control of the region by subversive means even if the result will be counterproductive that may end in disastrous blowback not only for Israel but also precipitate the accelerated fall of the United States in economic and moral collapse in mismanagement of the host nation’s priorities.

When Israel loses in the great hypothetical battle of Megiddo in the unforeseeable future, it shall deploy the spread wings of nuclear warheads to destroy adversaries and allies in the obliteration of innumerable millions of human beings, animals and organic life, inferring its conceived truth of absolute moral relativism as having possessed annihilative power in taking the world down with Israel in the orgiastically ethnocentric finale of existentially triumphant self-destruction as the ultimately defeated enemy of the civilized world.

This is the bidding of a farewell formed in the extension of a middle finger by the militantly atheistic Luciferian Ashkenazic Jewish sect that - resolved they be - believe in - by genetic predisposition and/or indoctrination from birth - supremacism of the Master Race, because they have accomplished the goal of procreating State of Israel to dominate in hegemony by the art of seduction, after centuries of persecution and expulsion on charge of treason by subversion of host nations, blood rituals in human sacrifice of Gentile children, corruption and ravishing of women, conspiracy to injure and murder esteemed officers & rulers and usurious & fraudulent deed in union with the spiritual descendants of the wicked Jews of the extinct Sadducee sect, the persecutor and abetted executioner of Jesus Christ, propagating fruition of the species as the “Chosen One” and bringing the world to its knees without mercy for subservience and obedience by slavery (brainwash) and tyranny.

And the owner of the site, Markos Moulitsas, is himself notorious for this disgusting remark about the Americans who were burned alive, torn apart, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah near the start of the Iraq War: Daily Kos :: Comments Corpses on the Cover.

Every death should be on the front page (2.70 / 40)

Let the people see what war is like. This isn’t an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush’s folly.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

by kos on Thu Apr 01, 2004 at 12:08:56 PM PDT

Nice company the Obama campaign is keeping.

UPDATE at 6/12/08 11:15:24 am:

And another interesting note; for years, Daily Kos had a redirection in place on the site, to prevent people from linking directly to Moulitsas’ ugly comment. Details here: Kos: Proud of ‘Screw Them’.

That redirect has been removed, and links to Moulitsas’ comment now work.

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1 WrathofG-d  6/12/08 9:57:43 am reply quote 0

Time to authenticate boys and girls.

old school LGF style.

2 loppyd  6/12/08 9:57:45 am reply quote 6

we need another Hawaii birth certificate to compare it to.

3 Power Armored Lizardoid  6/12/08 9:57:58 am reply quote 1

Go go throbbing birth certificate!

/disturbing Inspector Gadget

4 The Other Les  6/12/08 9:58:20 am reply quote 0

It doesn't look like it was done on Word for Windows?

5 lawhawk  6/12/08 9:58:24 am reply quote 0

Stranger things have happened. Or Kos himself got punked.

6 loppyd  6/12/08 9:58:30 am reply quote 0

Mine (Boston, MA) looks nothing like that.

Not that all states would look the same.

7 MandyManners  6/12/08 9:58:56 am reply quote 1

Are there any astrologists here?

8 loppyd  6/12/08 9:58:56 am reply quote 0

and it's only official if it has a raised seal....

9 Charles  6/12/08 9:59:08 am reply quote 5

The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives:

Hawai‘i State Department of Health

How did Moulitsas get this?

10 gibsonz  6/12/08 9:59:19 am reply quote 0

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas fabricate or post something untrue...certainly not!
///////////////////////////

11 WrathofG-d  6/12/08 9:59:33 am reply quote 2
The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives. Is the Obama campaign now leaking things to Daily Kos?

If this is authentic, I question why the Obama campaign would not go widespread public on it (as it was a point of controversy), and if it has nothing contriversial about it why they would have not handed it over originally.

12 MandyManners  6/12/08 9:59:51 am reply quote 0
13 zmdavid  6/12/08 9:59:51 am reply quote 0
The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives.


Maybe Obama's related to Kos.

14 DoubleU  6/12/08 10:00:06 am reply quote 2

From Hot Air

Update: Not that it matters for purposes of addressing Geraghty’s concerns, but Flip notes that the posted document is a certification of birth, which is slightly different from a birth certificate.
15 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:00:14 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives:

16 Kaitian868  6/12/08 10:00:15 am reply quote 0

That's a photoshop job if I recognize one. Anyone up for crimesolving?

17 Noam Sayin'  6/12/08 10:00:18 am reply quote 0

I'm skeptical. Looks too simple.

18 Power Armored Lizardoid  6/12/08 10:00:24 am reply quote 4

Markos: The Farce is strong with this one....

19 Ringo the Gringo  6/12/08 10:00:44 am reply quote 2

Where's the little foot prints?

20 loppyd  6/12/08 10:01:06 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

The state of Hawaii only release birth certificates to relatives:

and you can't request if using the FOIA:

(from the Hawaii Uniform Information Practices Act)



What is a significant privacy interest? (§ 92F-14)

The UIPA lists some specific examples of the types of information in which an individual has a significant privacy interest. The list includes information about an individual’s:

(1) Medical history, condition, and treatment;
(2) Criminal law investigation, except where disclosure is necessary to prosecute or continue the investigation;
(3) Eligibility for social services or welfare benefits;
(4) Public employment personnel file type information, except information required to be disclosed under § 92F-12(a)(14) and employee misconduct information if employee is suspended or discharged; or for county police officers if discharged;
(5) Nongovernmental employment history except where information qualifies a government employee for his or her position;
(6) Financial information;

(7) Professional and vocational licensee
qualifications except:
(a) certain discipline information;
(b) current employment information and
required insurance coverage of licensee;
and
(c) complaints and dispositions;
(8) Personal recommendations or evaluations; and
(9) Social security numbers.

OIP has further recognized that an individual has a significant privacy interest in his or her home contact information, date of birth, and ethnicity.

21 bulwrk  6/12/08 10:01:16 am reply quote 2

re: #2 loppyd

no hospital, no attending physician, no address of parents, no occupation of parents etc. thats pretty standard on all birth certificates.

22 thedopefishlives  6/12/08 10:01:52 am reply quote 0

Would it surprise you if Obama _did_ leak to Kos? I mean, their ideology is remarkably similar.

23 snowcrash  6/12/08 10:02:03 am reply quote 0

Where is the hospital or home location of birth?

24 goddessoftheclassroom  6/12/08 10:02:24 am reply quote 0

I have a certified copy of my birth certificate (Baltimore, 1964). It's a photocopy with a stamp. Since it's a photocopy, the text is TYPEWRITTEN.

This seems to be info typed on a computer.

25 kynna  6/12/08 10:02:30 am reply quote 1

If it's for real, the relationship with Kos is more damaging than any speculation that could happen.

Just more evidence that Obama can't run an administration and has no business running this country.

26 Killgore Trout  6/12/08 10:02:34 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

I would guess it was leaked from the Obama campaign. I don't think Kos would publish it without their permission.

27 Honorary Yooper  6/12/08 10:02:34 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles

The state of Hawaii only releases birth certificates to relatives:

28 Old_Maid  6/12/08 10:02:46 am reply quote 5

Just logging on real quick...I was born in Honolulu in 1969 and my birth certificate looks nothing like that! Mine is differently shaped, and has a LOT more information on it. It's not square, it's oblong.

29 Golem Akbar  6/12/08 10:02:49 am reply quote 1

If it's authentic, then that proves Obama could not be the Messiah. You know, no immaculate conception, no messiah.
(oh okay ////)

30 blutonazi98  6/12/08 10:02:49 am reply quote 1

did Kos get it from Dan Rather?

31 Just Another Four-letter Word  6/12/08 10:02:52 am reply quote 0

I'm sure there are many moonbats/LLLs in Hawaii working in the Gubmint that wouldn't have any qualms about leaking something like this to Markos or whomever.

Just sayin'

JAFLW

32 Ben Hur  6/12/08 10:03:07 am reply quote 0

So his name isn't Barry?

33 Power Armored Lizardoid  6/12/08 10:03:15 am reply quote 0

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

I'm skeptical. Looks too simple.

Yeah, I agree. My birth certificate looks like it's been run through the guano machine due to age and fading, and Barry's 9 years older than me....

I call BS.

34 Ringo the Gringo  6/12/08 10:03:22 am reply quote 0

re: #2 loppyd

we need another Hawaii birth certificate to compare it to.


Charles?

35 Ben Hur  6/12/08 10:03:22 am reply quote 0

bbl

36 itellu3times  6/12/08 10:03:59 am reply quote 0

Scanned at 60dpi?

37 loppyd  6/12/08 10:04:22 am reply quote 0

What should appear on a Hawaii birth certificate:

ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:

The 'Certificate of Live Birth' contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:

#3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet

#9. Race of Father

#10. Age of Father

#11. Birthplace (of father)

#12a Usual Occupation

#12b. Kind of Business or Industry

#14. Race of Mother

#17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy

#17b. Date Last Worked

#18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)

38 Ben Hur  6/12/08 10:04:34 am reply quote 2

But first...THIS OT:

Report: Terror Suspects Plotted to Set Up Islamic State in Scotland

No. Really. The Pali - ISraeli conflict is all about land.

39 coquimbojoe  6/12/08 10:04:36 am reply quote 0

re: #21 bulwrk

no hospital, no attending physician, no address of parents, no occupation of parents etc. thats pretty standard on all birth certificates.

Does anyone have an example of a Hawaiian birth certificate? Here's an interesting one...

40 maddogg  6/12/08 10:04:51 am reply quote 1

This whole thing stinks like 3 day old fish.

41 pat  6/12/08 10:04:53 am reply quote 5

Let me make an observation about the Hawaiian BCs I have at hand.
They are laid out in a grid of boxes on a half sheet. They do not have the State seal on them, rather a simple reference to the Department of Health, Reasearch and Statistics Office. The exact hospital and its address is typed in as well as the delivering doctor who must sign. Exact time of day of birth is indicated, as well as varoius Health Department things , like exact moment BC was registered. Age and home address of each parent is requested.Also whether baby was born within city limita. All middle names required.Parent must sign

42 itellu3times  6/12/08 10:04:55 am reply quote 0

re: #27 Honorary Yooper

It's a forgery, IMHO. It lacks a lot of necessary information, and it also has a strange "JUN -6 2007" at the bottom, backwards.

I think it was faxed.

Like certain documents from a Texas Kinkos a couple of years ago ...

43 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:04:56 am reply quote 1

Legal search engine: HRS 338-13(b), 338-19.

44 Honorary Yooper  6/12/08 10:05:14 am reply quote 0

Now, that said, we may be able to backdoor FOIA the same information from the State of Illinois. He would have needed it to run for public office.

Illinois FOIA page
Illinois FOIA Guide and Act

I could find nothing in there that would prevent looking for a copy of his birth record that would've been used to authenticate his citizenship. Maybe there is something, maybe not.

45 Ben Hur  6/12/08 10:05:24 am reply quote 3

I guess this dispells all those Immaculate Conception internet rumors....

BBL.

46 Thanos  6/12/08 10:05:25 am reply quote 7

Would a 1961 Birth Certificate in 1961 list race as "African" ?

47 dmh0667  6/12/08 10:05:33 am reply quote 10

Daily KOS:

And Behold, I, Markos of Screw'em, bring ye proof that in the year of their lord 1961, in the city of Honolulu, a Child was born....

48 Spiritualized  6/12/08 10:05:49 am reply quote 0

Seriously, how stupid does Kos think we are?

the posted document is a certification of birth, which is slightly different from a birth certificate.

Then we still need the real thing don't we! And if indeed the original is as innocuous as this 'certification of birth', then it would've been released officially by Obama's team.

49 lawhawk  6/12/08 10:06:07 am reply quote 1

re: #27 Honorary Yooper

Don't know, but that could explain when the document was printed. It's on a form revision 11/01. So we know this clearly isn't his original birth certificate. Doesn't mean that it's bogus.

It would help to learn the provenance as to how they came to obtain it. More to the point, why leak to Kos when it would have been far easier and more believable to send it to the news agencies and media outlets. Seems strange that the campaign would go the route of a truly partisan blogger instead of an established outlet.

Heck, they could have posted the thing to the Obama website. Instead, we get this.

Curious. Very curious.

50 Noam Sayin'  6/12/08 10:06:19 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Power Armored Lizardoid

Yeah, I agree. My birth certificate looks like it's been run through the guano machine due to age and fading, and Barry's 9 years older than me....

I call BS.

Notice also the corners of the "Border." They seem misaligned; like someone did this in a cheap layout application.

51 BigDog  6/12/08 10:06:22 am reply quote 1

In my state the birth certs are a photocopy of the original, obviously that one isn't, don't know how they do it in HI. You will notice that it is on a form dated 11/01, some 40yrs after the event (lower left corner) and printed on a laser printer. Could be the way they do it there, but I would like to see a copy from a little closer to the actual birth date.

52 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:06:23 am reply quote 0

re: #43 MandyManners

Legal search engine: HRS 338-13(b), 338-19.

I can't find anything.

53 unrealizedviewpoint  6/12/08 10:06:24 am reply quote 0

He probably did get it from the campaign. In today's TIME article it says the campaign plans to post a .pdf of Obama's birth certificate on the FightTheSmears site

54 coquimbojoe  6/12/08 10:06:25 am reply quote 0

re: #27 Honorary Yooper

It's a forgery, IMHO. It lacks a lot of necessary information, and it also has a strange "JUN -6 2007" at the bottom, backwards.

I saw that date too.... It looks like a recent copy missing a lot of info. I found something that looks much different....

55 karmic_inquisitor  6/12/08 10:06:32 am reply quote 0

Uhhhhh..

Am I missing somthing?

My Birth Certificate from 1965 was typed. The County of San Mateo couldn't afford laser printers at the time. When I have had to provide a birth certificate and get a copy from the county, they get me a copy off of what I assume is microfiche.

56 gibsonz  6/12/08 10:06:34 am reply quote 0

My Virginia birth certificate is filled in by hand and looks fake but has alot of information on it that I don`t see on this one...hospital...physician...seal...etc.

57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  6/12/08 10:06:37 am reply quote 0

Why redact the certificate number, the one thing which could be used to establish it was a certified true copy?

58 Charles  6/12/08 10:06:49 am reply quote 0

re: #34 Ringo the Gringo

Charles?

I wasn't born in Hawaii.

59 jpfletcher  6/12/08 10:07:20 am reply quote 2

I took a screeshot of the properties for the birth certificate and it says that it was created in Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh.

[Link: jpfletcher.blogspot.com...]

60 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:07:22 am reply quote 1

re: #49 lawhawk

Do you have westlaw or lexis-nexis?

61 dawnfire82  6/12/08 10:07:26 am reply quote 0

HotAir comments reference some... oddities. Like listing 'African' as a race, and omitting the Hospital. There seems to be some confusion as to the accuracy of his birthday, as well.

Not to mention that it looks like floating text put on top of a background. I've never seen any kind of state document printed on a high resolution laser printer before.

I'm inclined to believe it's BS.

62 Ringo the Gringo  6/12/08 10:07:33 am reply quote 0

re: #58 Charles

I wasn't born in Hawaii.

Oh. I thought you were.

My mistake.

63 pissed  6/12/08 10:07:49 am reply quote 0

I found this wedsite and halfway down is a photocopy of a Hawaiin B.C.


[Link: amherstkenpo.com...]

64 loppyd  6/12/08 10:07:59 am reply quote 0

re: #51 BigDog

In my state the birth certs are a photocopy of the original, obviously that one isn't, don't know how they do it in HI. You will notice that it is on a form dated 11/01, some 40yrs after the event (lower left corner) and printed on a laser printer. Could be the way they do it there, but I would like to see a copy from a little closer to the actual birth date.

it's not the original. can't be.

I wasn't born until 1970 and mine is typed.

65 Ward Cleaver  6/12/08 10:07:59 am reply quote 9

"Aloha, my name is Markos Moulitsas Hussein Kos Obama, and I need to get a copy of..."

66 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:08:06 am reply quote 0

re: #59 jpfletcher

I took a screeshot of the properties for the birth certificate and it says that it was created in Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh.

[Link:

67 WrathofG-d  6/12/08 10:08:10 am reply quote 1

Were they using that font in 1961? (They weren't using computers were they? So would it have come from a Typewriter?)

This looks like a presently printed document possibly using information from the original. This cannot be the original IMHO.

68 Honorary Yooper  6/12/08 10:08:16 am reply quote 0

re: #28 Old_Maid

Just logging on real quick...I was born in Honolulu in 1969 and my birth certificate looks nothing like that! Mine is differently shaped, and has a LOT more information on it. It's not square, it's oblong.

What sort of information appears on it? I take it, it would have city, county, and island, but does it also have the doctor, hospital, etc?

And, would it be possible to run a check of this by comparing it to a newer printout of a Hawai'i birth certificate?

69 Ward Cleaver  6/12/08 10:08:27 am reply quote 0

re: #58 Charles

I wasn't born in Hawaii.

Darn it!

70 loppyd  6/12/08 10:08:30 am reply quote 0

re: #63 pissed

I found this wedsite and halfway down is a photocopy of a Hawaiin B.C.


[Link: amherstkenpo.com...]

looks a little different to me.....

71 Seaberry  6/12/08 10:08:31 am reply quote 2

Barack Hussein Obama ll. He's elite...no "Jr" for him. ;-)

72 fsjonesy  6/12/08 10:08:38 am reply quote 0

I call BS.

I was born in 1990 and my birth certificate was printed with a typewriter.
This just looks too new.
Also, there's no birthweight, no attending physician listed, and no hospital.

73 coquimbojoe  6/12/08 10:09:00 am reply quote 1

re: #55 karmic_inquisitor

Uhhhhh..

Am I missing somthing?

My Birth Certificate from 1965 was typed. The County of San Mateo couldn't afford laser printers at the time. When I have had to provide a birth certificate and get a copy from the county, they get me a copy off of what I assume is microfiche.

I was born at Sequoia Hospital in 1965, and yes mine is typed, and my copies are off microfiche... Hawaii could laser print in 1959 and that Rather letter was possible too.

74 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:09:01 am reply quote 0

re: #63 pissed

I found this wedsite and halfway down is a photocopy of a Hawaiin B.C.


[Link:

75 pat  6/12/08 10:09:04 am reply quote 0

re: #58 Charles

I wasn't born in Hawaii.

But I was and I have a few of these right next to me

76 karmic_inquisitor  6/12/08 10:09:17 am reply quote 0

re: #70 loppyd

looks a little different to me.....

They look identical to me.

/Dan Rather off

77 loppyd  6/12/08 10:09:20 am reply quote 0

Mine also lists the attending physician and the hospital where I was born.

78 itellu3times  6/12/08 10:09:27 am reply quote 0

re: #59 jpfletcher

I took a screeshot of the properties for the birth certificate and it says that it was created in Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh.

[Link:

79 The Other Les  6/12/08 10:09:27 am reply quote 0

I born in Illinois before Barack and my birth certificate doesn't anything to being that neat.

80 jpfletcher  6/12/08 10:09:31 am reply quote 0

re: #66 MandyManners

What?

I downloaded a copy of the birth cert. from Kos and right clicked on the file and viewed it's properties.

81 Cap'n DOC  6/12/08 10:09:40 am reply quote 0

re: #19 Ringo the Gringo

They'll be throbbing in invisible ink.

82 Kaitian868  6/12/08 10:09:40 am reply quote 0

HRS 338-18 is "Disclosure of records"
HRS 338-19 is "Photostatic or typewritten copies of records"

But no b
[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]

83 loppyd  6/12/08 10:09:41 am reply quote 0

re: #76 karmic_inquisitor

They look identical to me.

/Dan Rather off

fake but accurate

/couldn't resist

84 krypto  6/12/08 10:09:54 am reply quote 1

There's a faint date stamp of June 6, 2007 showing through, reversed of course, from the back of the alleged certificate. That would mean it was issued a year ago, if real.

85 Ringo the Gringo  6/12/08 10:10:06 am reply quote 4

re: #72 fsjonesy


I was born in 1990 and my birth certificate was printed with a typewriter.
This just looks too new.

Shouldn't you be at school right now?

86 jpfletcher  6/12/08 10:10:12 am reply quote 0

re: #78 itellu3times

It could, I'm just saying.

88 loppyd  6/12/08 10:10:28 am reply quote 0

re: #60 MandyManners

Do you have westlaw or lexis-nexis?

I have westlaw

89 Old_Maid  6/12/08 10:10:44 am reply quote 0

Just want to point out, my Honolulu, HI birth cert does NOT have a banner on the top like the one you all are referencing ... I don't think that one is an actual birth certificate.

I was born at Tripler Army Hospital in Hawaii in 1969, in Honolulu. My birth cert looks nothing like the one on Kos website, nor does it resemble the one with the big banner.

90 Power Armored Lizardoid  6/12/08 10:10:45 am reply quote 0

re: #50 Noam Sayin'

Notice also the corners of the "Border." They seem misaligned; like someone did this in a cheap layout application.

Nah, the more I look at the whole 'document' the more fake it looks. I don't have much experience with Photoshop, and I only own an old version 7 copy, but I believe I could come up with something more believable than this in 2 or 3 hours....

91 ruexperienced  6/12/08 10:10:49 am reply quote 0

It IS just a certification, not the actual birth certificate.

With that said, it still looks like a blatant fake.

Considering the source, my money's on Moulitsas pulling a fast one...

The libtards will do ANYTHING to win in November !

92 Charles  6/12/08 10:10:56 am reply quote 0

re: #59 jpfletcher

I took a screeshot of the properties for the birth certificate and it says that it was created in Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh.

[Link: jpfletcher.blogspot.com...]

The document was probably scanned into Photoshop.

93 goddessoftheclassroom  6/12/08 10:10:58 am reply quote 1

re: #71 Seaberry

Barack Hussein Obama ll. He's elite...no "Jr" for him. ;-)

According to the "rules," he is a junior, but parents can list a numeral as part of the name if they wish.

Actually, I don't understand how he can have his father's last name when the father was married to another woman at the time and the father was not married to his mother.

94 Ward Cleaver  6/12/08 10:11:02 am reply quote 1

If you blow it up to full size, the state seal looks like crap.

I smell a rat.

95 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:11:02 am reply quote 0

Lower right corner:

Jun 6 2007 in reverse.

96 Resize  6/12/08 10:11:18 am reply quote 0

Fakeroony.....Everyone knows that O!bama came from the Gods cabbage patch...

97 itellu3times  6/12/08 10:11:29 am reply quote 0

The background green pattern does not appear behind any of the letters that I can see, which would make this a low-quality photoshop forgery.

Also, anything original from 1961 would not have the word "laser" on it, the text would have been typed and much more uneven.

But even if this were a legal laser printer reprint, I'd expect to see the green pattern make it through even the very crude scanning this seems to have gone through.

98 unrealizedviewpoint  6/12/08 10:11:30 am reply quote 0

There appears to be a date stamped on the back of the KOS copy. It says: June 7, 2007
You need to zoom in to see it.

99 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:11:31 am reply quote 0

re: #80 jpfletcher

I downloaded a copy of the birth cert. from Kos and right clicked on the file and viewed it's properties.

What does it mean, though?

100 The Other Les  6/12/08 10:11:33 am reply quote 0

re: #67 WrathofG-d

I learned to type on a ROYAL manual typewriter. Those were fun.

101 loppyd  6/12/08 10:11:40 am reply quote 0

re: #94 Ward Cleaver

If you blow it up to full size, the state seal looks like crap.

I smell a rat.

Me too!

Peeeeeeeuuuuuuuuwwwwwwww.

:D

Hi Ward!

102 pat  6/12/08 10:11:55 am reply quote 0

re: #89 Old_Maid

Just want to point out, my Honolulu, HI birth cert does NOT have a banner on the top like the one you all are referencing ... I don't think that one is an actual birth certificate.

I was born at Tripler Army Hospital in Hawaii in 1969, in Honolulu. My birth cert looks nothing like the one on Kos website, nor does it resemble the one with the big banner.

Exactly. See my #41

103 Ward Cleaver  6/12/08 10:12:04 am reply quote 0

re: #74 MandyManners

What year, though?

The birthdate on that one is 1919.

104 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:12:15 am reply quote 0

re: #93 goddessoftheclassroom

According to the "rules," he is a junior, but parents can list a numeral as part of the name if they wish.

Actually, I don't understand how he can have his father's last name when the father was married to another woman at the time and the father was not married to his mother.

The mother can put the father's name on the birth certificate. It has nothing to do with marriage.

105 Sizzlack  6/12/08 10:12:29 am reply quote 0

You know Obama is going to have some problems this fall when there are already middle of the road Democrats who wont endorse him...

106 coquimbojoe  6/12/08 10:12:41 am reply quote 0

re: #76 karmic_inquisitor

Did you grow up on the penninsula? I grew up in Portola Valley and Palo Alto.... You still around there?

107 goddessoftheclassroom  6/12/08 10:12:46 am reply quote 0

re: #104 MandyManners

The mother can put the father's name on the birth certificate. It has nothing to do with marriage.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks.

108 Noam Sayin'  6/12/08 10:12:47 am reply quote 0

re: #95 MandyManners

Lower right corner:

Jun 6 2007 in reverse.

I think that may have rubbed off from another document, or came from th back side of this one, as it was folded.

109 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:12:48 am reply quote 0

re: #98 unrealizedviewpoint

There appears to be a date stamped on the back of the KOS copy. It says: June 7, 2007
You need to zoom in to see it.

I see it as June 6.

110 Honorary Yooper  6/12/08 10:12:50 am reply quote 0

re: #77 loppyd

Mine also lists the attending physician and the hospital where I was born.

Ditto for mine, and it lists my parents' social security numbers. Mine from 1977, Michigan is typed, and the date that it was received at the city is stamped on it. If I go back to get it, I will get a photocopy of the original kept on file by the state.

111 MandyManners  6/12/08 10:13:12 am reply quote 0

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

The birthdate on that one is 1919.

I imagine the format changed.

112 Rogue198  6/12/08 10:13:15 am reply quote 2

Folks, I'm no Obamicon by any means, but let's not turn into Truthers here. Apparently Kos admits the campaign released it to him, Gerahty over at NRO thinks it's authentic...

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

...He also mentions something that is true, when a request is made for a certification, then a new one is printed and stamped by the registrar.

113 Killgore Trout  6/12/08 10:13:21 am reply quote 0

re: #89 Old_Maid


Just want to point out, my Honolulu, HI birth cert does NOT have a banner on the top like the one you all are referencing ... I don't think that one is an actual birth certificate.

I was born at Tripler Army Hospital in Hawaii in 1969, in Honolulu. My birth cert looks nothing like the one on Kos website, nor does it resemble the one with the big banner.


This isn't the original, it appears to be a reissue from last week.

114 snowtravel  6/12/08 10:13:22 am reply quote 0

Certification of live birth=birth certificate.

115 JustAHouseWife  6/12/08 10:13:31 am reply quote 0

My husband was born on Oahu in 1962. I'll have to ask him when he comes home from work if this looks the same as his birth certificate. Like someone else says, the document should have the parents names on it I would think. Finding out the hospital name and town would be of use. Not everyone on Oahu lives in the city of Honolulu; my husbands parents lived on the North Shore; and h