Maybe you should put it in ALL CAPS BOLDED at the top of that thread that you believe it's for real?

What a tool.

Hey Dave GFY!|

Nah. Why give in to that jerk.

re: #3 'Nam Grunt

Hey Dave GFY!|

GFY?

Kos is not exactly what one would call an unbiased source when it comes to things Obama. He'd pretty much say anything that BHO asked of him, so caution when he turns up with perported "evidence' that Obama won't release to anyone else seems only prudent.

People are crazy for doubting Lord Kosling? I'd say more on that score, but I'm having trouble typing through this strait jacket.

re: #5 MandyManners

Go F**k Yourself, enchanting huh?

My my....they're awful defensive aren't they?

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream and I'm gonna wake up in a cold sweat and shake until I've had my first cup of joe.....

re: #10 maddogg

He wasn't born, he was hatched by Soros!

I think you were wrong to accept the Obama birth certificate as real. But what the heck, if he bashes you Charles it just makes him feel better for the Whitey tape.

re: #10 maddogg

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream and I'm gonna wake up in a cold sweat and shake until I've had my first cup of joe.....

That's so Lovecraftian...

re: #11 'Nam Grunt

He wasn't born, he was hatched by Soros!

And that is a fact.

re: #8 'Nam Grunt

Go F**k Yourself, enchanting huh?

Oh. I prefer the whole thing.

re: #10 maddogg

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream.....

Or the by-product of those darn mind control experiments. :-)

If you can't post anything but "GFY," I'd appreciate it if you would just not post. That doesn't add anything to the discussion, it just makes us look bad to anyone reading these comments.

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

re: #12 galloping granny

Granny I luv ya', but I've been reading Charles for a long time now and if he says it's BS then I'm on board with his thoughts, and he has slapped me around on many occasions. HAHAHA!

It's a stupid side issue to everything else that is wrong with Obama, but for me, it isn't an authentic document. A certification has the signature and name of the certifier on it. Where is this? On the reverse? And does the Obama campaign stand behind this 'document'? Do they want to comment as to why they released it to Kos?

I dunno, if Markos 'Screw Em' Moulitsas told me the sky was blue I'd look out the window to make sure...

re: #17 Charles

Okey dokey, I'll just log off Charles, sorry!

re: #10 maddogg,

Now that is completely false. Obama was born in a fountain of light, bathed in the tears of unicorns, and clothed in rainbows. He is a Lightworker, free from the typical mortal strictures like birth and, presumably, death.

Haven't you been keeping up with the scriptures of the Obamessiah? Get with the program.

(cue nutball Kos commenter's diary about Israel).

And once again, blurring the distinction between commenter and BLOGGER.

re: #24 uncle_monkey

And once again, blurring the distinction between commenter and BLOGGER.

Yep. They blur the line when they want to defend that kind of crap, but then have no hesitation about turning right around and using the same tactic to smear Hot Air and LGF.

at least they didn't pretend that it was written thirty years ago on a typewriter

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

...some people are money-grubbing attention-whores...and that's all there is to it...

re: #25 Charles

Well, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. It really is telling when a computer programmer jazz musician guy in his pajamas has more oversight on the content of his site or blog than a leading US presidential candidate.

re: #18 Golem Akbar

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

If we could only hook up a generator...

re: #20 Fish-Man

It's a stupid side issue to everything else that is wrong with Obama, but for me, it isn't an authentic document. A certification has the signature and name of the certifier on it. Where is this? On the reverse? And does the Obama campaign stand behind this 'document'? Do they want to comment as to why they released it to Kos?

I have one of these, for my own "certification of birth". Instead of issuing a certified photocopy, the use the info. from the original birth certificate and print out the pertinent information. Here, these are issued by the Clerk of Courts offices, and are perfectly legal and acceptable for any purpose for which one needs an original birth certificate.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet? Is this a common practice?

re: #27 mama winger,

It's like watching two teams you don't like play a game of baseball. Where neither side can hit, pitch, or field.

In the rain. Bleah.

re: #19 'Nam Grunt

Granny I luv ya', but I've been reading Charles for a long time now and if he says it's BS then I'm on board with his thoughts, and he has slapped me around on many occasions. HAHAHA!

well 'Nam, you can do that if you want. Charles is pretty good at quite a few things. He is not G_d however, nor is he an expert at everything. When it comes to birth certificates, I have lots more reason to claim expertise than Charles does. And he should not feel slighted by that. For reasons that I have outlined in detail in previous threads, I believe that Charles is wrong on this and that this uncertified "certification of birth" does not qualify as the final arbiter of Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" since it would not qualify for a Social Security card. I'm not satisfied with it - even if Charles is.

re: #17 Charles

If you can't post anything but "GFY," I'd appreciate it if you would just not post. That doesn't add anything to the discussion, it just makes us look bad to anyone reading these comments.

I'm not sure if re-posting your comment actually "adds anything to the discussion" either, but as this is something I have often thought myself, and I wholeheartedly agree and just wanted it "said again" &/or emphasized.

re: #27 mama winger

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

I'll let you share my cave.

re: #32 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

credibility, like reputation, takes a long time to build up, and only a second to bring crashing down. there is zero issue here. we should stick to serious issues, and the obvious limitations of the latest marxist/socialist to get the Democrat nomination.

Just sayin'

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Well, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. It really is telling when a computer programmer jazz musician guy in his pajamas has more oversight on the content of his site or blog than a leading US presidential candidate.

A President (or candidate for that office) is supposed to delegate authority.

It really helps if he delegates it to someone competent.

I'm in meetings. Did Obama produce his birth certificate?

re: #31 reine.de.tout

I have one of these, for my own "certification of birth". Instead of issuing a certified photocopy, the use the info. from the original birth certificate and print out the pertinent information. Here, these are issued by the Clerk of Courts offices, and are perfectly legal and acceptable for any purpose for which one needs an original birth certificate.

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

Weigel uses commenters to bash Hot Air and LGF, but then turns right around and excuses the sheer insanity posted in a Daily Kos diary by discounting it as a “comment” — which it is not.

Can we now call them "Double Standard Online" instead of "Reason Online"?

Can someone please post an image of a similar document from Hawaii?

I looked at mine from a different state and it has the following:
1. Gold leaf state seal
2. Date of Issue

re: #25 Charles

Yep. They blur the line when they want to defend that kind of crap, but then have no hesitation about turning right around and using the same tactic to smear Hot Air and LGF.

I have seen this over and over on the left.
Yesterday, a crawl on the bottom of Foxnews had "stop picking on obamas baby mama"
The koskiddies decided to defend her by smearing cindy mccain

re: #38 Vergeltung

Why is it that candidates from that party present as their qualification for the office the fact that they are not competent or are otherwise unfit for that office?

re: #40 opnion

I'm in meetings. Did Obama produce his birth certificate?

It's on the front page.

re: #33 Iron Fist

,

It's like watching two teams you don't like play a game of baseball. Where neither side can hit, pitch, or field.

In the rain. Bleah.

I love it when you talk baseball.

re: #41 galloping granny

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

My original birth certificate was with my passport application when I retired, and I needed it to begin collecting my retirement benefits, and it was accepted.

re: #37 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

I've never heard of such a thing. What does he plan to do, move the White House to Chicago too?

it seems to me that a candidate for president would go all out and get the real birth certificate and then release to legitimate media folks - not get a sort of birth certificate and then release it kos.

re: #36 MandyManners

I'll let you share my cave.

Do you have enough 'Good and Plenty'? Or should I bring extra?

#36 MandyManners re:
I'll let you share my cave.

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

re: #40 opnion
"certification of birth" to kos

how about some humor

If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee.
(Hardly seems worth it.)

If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb.
(Now that's more like it!)

The human heart creates enough pressure when it pumps out to the body to squirt blood 30 feet.
(O.M.G.!)

A pig's orgasm lasts 30 minutes.
(In my next life, I want to be a pig.)

A cockroach will live nine days without its head before it starves to death. (Creepy.)
(I'm still not ! over the pig. )

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories a hour
(Don't try this at home, maybe at work)

The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male's head off.
( Honey, I'm home. What the..?!)

The flea can jump 350 times its body length. It's like a human jumping the length of a football field.
(30 minutes..lucky pig! Can you imagine?)

The catfish has over 27,000 taste buds.
(What could be so tasty on the bottom of the pond?)

Some lions mate over 50 times a day.
(I still want to be a pig in my next life...quality over quantity)

Butterflies taste with their feet.
(Something I always wanted to know.)

The strongest muscle in the body is the tongue.
(Hmmmmmm......)

Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left-handed people.
( If you're ambidextrous, do you split the difference?)

Elephants are the only animals that cannot jump.
(Okay, so that would be a good thing)

A cat's urine glows under a black light.
(I wonder who was paid to figure that out?)

An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain
( I know some people like that.)

Starfish have no brains
(I know some people like that too.)

Polar bears are left-handed.
(If they switch, they'll live a lot longer)

Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure.
(What about that pig?)

re: #41 galloping granny

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

I had to take my birth certificate in to get some paperwork done, and I was worried it would be rejected because it an old 1970's xerox--but it *does* have a seal on it, and a stamp of authenticity with a person's name on it. I believe there was a date of issue as well.

Interesting. But to stay more on topic:

Maybe the problem here is understanding when to address the concerns of your opponents. Many in the Democrat party were concerned about McCain's ability to run because of his birth in the Panama Canal zone. That was addressed and now it's old news. Why can't the Democrats resolve this question? I appreciate the effort that Kos made to do so, but it would have meant a great deal more if it had come from the Obama campaign directly.

It seems any issue brought up by Republicans, conservatives, or non-Obamaites is first derided, then ignored, and then barely addressed. It's getting rather tiresome being treated like a bunch of whiny two-year-olds when we have serious questions.

re: #49 galloping granny

I've never heard of such a thing. What does he plan to do, move the White House to Chicago too?

Chicago - The Land of Opaque Politics. Where nothing unseen is seen; where the sun never shines on deeds done in the dark.

re: #49 galloping granny

No, but I heard he was contemplating those little minarets like Hagia Sophia in Istanbul.:)

re: #52 akak

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

...and there's an inspector from the HOA here...

re: #49 galloping granny

To finish up on previous post

re: #650 galloping granny

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy. Obviously you have never had to get one. At best it is an inconvenience. At worst it can be a nightmare. And a real birth certificate in the wrong hands can cause you problems, because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license. Sending a real birth certificate out is a very big deal. You go right ahead and drop it if you want to JustMyView. You do work for Obama, don't you?

HOLD THE WEDDING ! You and Real told me in a PREVIOUS thread that redacting the Certificate # was no big deal when I stated that it could lead to IDENTITY theft ! Now YOU state "because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license"

wow ,,,, just wow

re: #51 mama winger

Do you have enough 'Good and Plenty'? Or should I bring extra?

Bring extra 'cause you'll cook and I'll clean.

re: #54 JimmyTheClaw

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories a hour

I am going to lose a lot of weight between now and November.

re: #52 akak

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

*whack*

re: #47 mama winger

I love it when you talk baseball.

[Link: www.breaktaker.com...]

re: #60 MandyManners

Bring extra 'cause you'll cook and I'll clean.

I don't cook OR clean. But I do travel with lots of alcohol.

re: #45 The Other Les

Why is it that candidates from that party present as their qualification for the office the fact that they are not competent or are otherwise unfit for that office?

it's all they have. they must mask their true intentions with pablum like "change" and the like. mainstream america is not socialist or marxist. they must hide their true intentions to get elected.

re: #63 BuddyG

[Link: www.breaktaker.com...]

It won't open for me! waaaaaaaahhhh !

re: #59 sattv4u2

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy.

Why would the state issue a copy that's not "certified"? Makes no sense to me.

re: #58 CIA Reject

...and there's an inspector from the HOA here...

*whack*

re: #34 galloping granny

well 'Nam, you can do that if you want. Charles is pretty good at quite a few things. He is not G_d however, nor is he an expert at everything. When it comes to birth certificates, I have lots more reason to claim expertise than Charles does. And he should not feel slighted by that. For reasons that I have outlined in detail in previous threads, I believe that Charles is wrong on this and that this uncertified "certification of birth" does not qualify as the final arbiter of Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" since it would not qualify for a Social Security card. I'm not satisfied with it - even if Charles is.

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

re: #66 mama winger

! ! !

re: #48 reine.de.tout

My original birth certificate was with my passport application when I retired, and I needed it to begin collecting my retirement benefits, and it was accepted.

It may very well be that SocSec already had your birth certificate as they would have done if you had ever had to replace your social security card. They do also have some ability in a pinch to interface with something like the passport office. Did you also show a driver's license or a military ID card?

If you had been applying for a replacement social security card you would have been required to produce a certified birth certificate. Not necessarily long form depending on when, but it absolutely MUST be certified and it has been that way for decades.

re: #12 galloping granny

I think you were wrong to accept the Obama birth certificate as real. But what the heck, if he bashes you Charles it just makes him feel better for the Whitey tape.

Oh, I dunno -- it was all done in such an aboveboard fashion --

released to a mere blogger
who's been attacked over and over for his moronishness by the Right
without official verification by the campaign, only secondhand stuff
and no seal on the suspiciously-scant document.

The left would believe it if McCain did the same thing with, say, his medical history swearing that he was free and clear of cancer. You know, released the doctor's note (redacted) to LGF without supporting CJ in public and without a notary seal on the note.

Sure.

/not - so was it bait? Hm.

re: #37 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

Is this so Obama can take advantage of the Chicago political machine? Or so the Chicago drivers of Obama's campaign don't have to make possibly non-secure phone calls and faxes to get their orders across?

re: #64 mama winger

I don't cook OR clean. But I do travel with lots of alcohol.

When can you be at the cave?

re: #69 Charles

still seems like he should have gotten the absolute undeniable 100% real thing with stamps and seals all over it and given it to real media instead of kos

OT

Has anyone else heard about the Sexist reasons Obama beat Hillary? Yep, its all sexist. Puke.

That's ALL the info I need to run the astro-chart!
_________

Name: Barack Hussein Obama II
August 4 1961
7:24 PM Time Zone is AHST
Honolulu, HI

Rising Sign is in 18 Degrees Aquarius
You like new ideas and concepts, but you prefer to discover them by yourself -- it is not easy for others to convert you to anything. You form your own opinions, but once you do form them, you then want to convince everyone else that they are correct...

Sun is in 12 Degrees Leo.
More than a bit of a showoff, you love to be the center of attention! But others do not usually mind because they tend to enjoy your genuine warmth and affection. Very spirited and willful, proud and self-important at times, you demand your own way. ...

Moon is in 03 Degrees Gemini.
Restless in the extreme, you are easily bored because of your short attention span. Your emotions change rapidly and you love to talk about your feelings. ...

Mercury is in 02 Degrees Leo.
You are usually quite convinced that your own ideas are correct and you enjoy persuading others that they are. At times, you are very stubborn and proud of your beliefs and principles, and you get very defensive when they are challenged....

Pluto is in 06 Degrees Virgo.
For your entire generation, this will be a time when profound changes in society's attitude toward work, duty and responsibility will be initiated. Radical changes in attitudes toward personal health and general nutrition will be promulgated and gain wide acceptance and practice.

N. Node is in 27 Degrees Leo.
You prefer to take the leadership role when it comes to dealing with others. You enjoy administering and organizing group activities.

[Link: www.alabe.com...]

re: #71 galloping granny

It may very well be that SocSec already had your birth certificate as they would have done if you had ever had to replace your social security card. They do also have some ability in a pinch to interface with something like the passport office. Did you also show a driver's license or a military ID card?

If you had been applying for a replacement social security card you would have been required to produce a certified birth certificate. Not necessarily long form depending on when, but it absolutely MUST be certified and it has been that way for decades.

Granny, my birth certificate had the seal on it but the issuing date was listed on the back. Perhaps that's what the "JUN 6 2007" that shows up in reverse on the lower portion of the image is--an issuing date.

Just a though.

re: #67 faraway

Why would the state issue a copy that's not "certified"? Makes no sense to me.

see Charles' # 69 ( as well as previous posts by Charles and others) Granny stated it's not "certified'. That we can't see a stamp (which is not in ink, it's embossed) on a scan of a copy of a fax of a ,,,,, etc etc does not mean it is NOT certified

re: #27 mama winger

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

2012 is just starting get ready. I think I see some Hillary! 2012 signs going up...

re: #71 galloping granny

I don't get social security, I was a public employee and not eligible for SS benefits, so there was no interface with the passport folks.

re: #74 MandyManners

When can you be at the cave?

Right after the baseball game, unless you get cable.

I was away on vacation for a bit, but I have to say I have not seen BabbaZee post in some time. Did I miss something? Maybe she is on vacation. :)

re: #75 bluegrassredstate

still seems like he should have gotten the absolute undeniable 100% real thing with stamps and seals all over it and given it to real media instead of kos

The point is, this story is not in the media. They released it to a blogger because the story lives only in the blogosphere. Releasing it to the media makes no sense for them.

PIMF: thought

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

pull-eeze!..if kos told me the sky was blue,i'd look out the window to ck.

re: #59 sattv4u2

To finish up on previous post

re: #650 galloping granny

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy. Obviously you have never had to get one. At best it is an inconvenience. At worst it can be a nightmare. And a real birth certificate in the wrong hands can cause you problems, because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license. Sending a real birth certificate out is a very big deal. You go right ahead and drop it if you want to JustMyView. You do work for Obama, don't you?

HOLD THE WEDDING ! You and Real told me in a PREVIOUS thread that redacting the Certificate # was no big deal when I stated that it could lead to IDENTITY theft ! Now YOU state "because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license"

wow ,,,, just wow

Redacting the serial number on a birth certificate is an entirely different ballgame than mailing the entire original birth certificate around the country.

All the serial number provides is the ability to verify that the information does indeed exist as written. The scan is not good enough to print out a fake certificate from that would be believable.

How many things disappear in the mail every day? You don't need to print a fake BC if you have a real one.

re: #76 Eowyn2

Well dang...now that their racism card is being greatly weakened (by the complete lack of racism in "White America" supporting Obama)....they have to bolster another national victimhood status.

re: #86 Cognito

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

Let's just say those of us who live in Illinois and are somewhat familiar with the Chicago political machine have a reason to want to check everything.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

re: #86 Cognito

you make a good point there, hence my commet(s) up-thread. there is no issue here, and dribbling on about it makes us look dumb.

re: #83 Vergeltung

I was away on vacation for a bit, but I have to say I have not seen BabbaZee post in some time. Did I miss something? Maybe she is on vacation. :)

BabbaZee has been spending her time developing and writing her own blog - you can catch her there :)

re: #77 Fritz_Katz

A freakin' narcissist!

re: #91 faraway

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

Yeah he did.
He said he got it from the campaign.

re: #90 vxbush

Let's just say those of us who live in Illinois and are somewhat familiar with the Chicago political machine have a reason to want to check everything.

Double upding.

re: #93 mama winger

BabbaZee has been spending her time developing and writing her own blog - you can catch her there :)

Thanks Mama! I'll have to check that out. :)

re: #82 mama winger

Right after the baseball game, unless you get cable.

No electricity.

re: #55 vxbush,

You have to understand that the Obamessiah and his Cultish Followers regard you as they would a "a bunch of whiny two-year-olds". They have no respect for you. It is an imposition and a waste of their precious time to be bothered to adress questions that are of no import to the would-be God-emperor Obama.

Hasn't he already told you that he is bringing Hope! and Change!? What more do you pesky, insignificant worms expect of his Holiness? What gives you the right to ask questions of him?

The Obamessiah appears to have drank his own Koolaid. He believes that he will be wafted into the Office of the Presidency on the insubstantial platitudes that have, to be honest, done so well for him in the primaries.

The scary thing is he could be right.

re: #86 Cognito

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

There was nothing wrong with asking the question. That's a silly point. Of course it matters whether a presidential candidate is a US citizen.

Now they've laid the question to rest. That's it. On to the next chapter.

re: #98 MandyManners

No electricity.

I hate it when you conserve energy.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

When Obama stands up in front of a TV camera and shows me the signed/sealed document with the correct information on it with an official from Hawai'i Vital Stats standing next to him verifying it, I will believe him. Until then, if this is "real" then Hawai'i is the sloppiest state in the union and they do things differently than damned near anyone else. I see no reason in this world to accept KOS' word that this is "authentic."

re: #91 faraway

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

Kos said he asked the Obama campaign for it and they delivered...

re: #88 galloping granny

So having the certificate number is not a problem and can't lead to identity theft unless you have the certificate number? (sorry, but you have argued it both ways, and RealWest and you scoffed at me when I stated it could lead to ID theft

re: #102 Big Steve

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

Occam has fallen into disrepute, it seems.

re: #102 Big Steve

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

Oh but how I wish he would have!

re: #69 Charles

I wouldn't say dumb. I would suggest that they are the wrongfully claiming to be smart. Just like an antipope is someone who is wrongfully claims to be the Pope. They are antismart.

Instead of using their natural intelligence to understand reality they are constantly trying to rewrite reality to fit their own ends. Thus the Killian Memos, etc.

re: #81 reine.de.tout

I don't get social security, I was a public employee and not eligible for SS benefits, so there was no interface with the passport folks.

Well then. There are no regulations for what you would have had to submit then. They can accept whatever they please.

re: #106 Charles

But his razor is still sharp, no?

re: #101 mama winger

I hate it when you conserve energy.

I like living off the grid.

re: #100 Charles

There was nothing wrong with asking the question. That's a silly point. Of course it matters whether a presidential candidate is a US citizen.

Now they've laid the question to rest. That's it. On to the next chapter.

Exactly so. Upward and onward.

re: #79 sattv4u2

I had specific instructions when signing up kids for ball tournaments to get certified birth certificates from every player, so we would not have trouble like the New York Little League team a few years back.

Certified birth certificates would have a very large seal imprinted on it. The seal would not be hidden via copying or faxing.

re: #55 vxbush

I
Maybe the problem here is understanding when to address the concerns of your opponents. Many in the Democrat party were concerned about McCain's ability to run because of his birth in the Panama Canal zone. That was addressed and now it's old news. Why can't the Democrats resolve this question? I appreciate the effort that Kos made to do so, but it would have meant a great deal more if it had come from the Obama campaign directly.

It seems any issue brought up by Republicans, conservatives, or non-Obamaites is first derided, then ignored, and then barely addressed. It's getting rather tiresome being treated like a bunch of whiny two-year-olds when we have serious questions.

The sad part is that no one nailed this all down before. Why weren't these questions of eligibility answered when he ran for the Senate? Or were they and the answers fell out of the collective memory (and out of Google, I guess)? It's the same with his affiliation with Wright and Ayers- surely he can't believe that wouldn't all come out some day. It's unsettling, because frankly I am left with the feeling that Obama holds the entire nation in contempt. As if anyone would every question His Highness.

The way Barry O went about this was just like his response to any controversy he has had to deal with:

Deflect. Stonewall. Give in under duress.

I dont understand why he is moving the DNC to Chicago.
Isn't there some rule that they can't work together on ads and stuff?

re: #30 The Other Les

If we could only hook up a generator...

A LOT of dead Conservatives are spinning in their graves, and if we could hook all of 'em up, ENERGY CRISIS SOLVED!

(Hey, it might work!)

JAFLW

/Dead Liberals? Oh, they just move to Chicago and keep voting...

re: #116 Typicalwhitey

I dont understand why he is moving the DNC to Chicago.
Isn't there some rule that they can't work together on ads and stuff?

I do.

re: #112 Cognito

Exactly so. Upward and onward.

Or in The Obama's case, downward we go...

re: #105 sattv4u2

So having the certificate number is not a problem and can't lead to identity theft unless you have the certificate number? (sorry, but you have argued it both ways, and RealWest and you scoffed at me when I stated it could lead to ID theft

Your illogical mind is just thrilling sat. All that the serial/registration number will buy you is a letter from Vital Statistics verifying that the information on the certificate jives with their records. It does not allow you to get an authentic copy of the birth certificate anymore than you can do so without the number.

I have not argued it both ways. You simply seem to be incapable of comprehending what realwest and I are trying to communicate to you.

re: #111 MandyManners,

Maximize your carbon footprint. Al Gore does.

re: #33 Iron Fist

,

It's like watching two teams you don't like play a game of baseball. Where neither side can hit, pitch, or field.

In the rain. Bleah.

Even worse, you took a Sick Day to go watch it!

JAFLW

re: #113 faraway

actually, it does (in some cases, depending on where the seal was placed and how hard the imprint was applied) I have my "original" which clearly has the seal. When I made a copy, the seal is almost totally invisible, whereas my wifes is very prominent as a copy (because of how forceful the imptint was placed on it)

re: #118 mama winger

I do.

Do tell!

I agree with Charles. Let's talk about something else. How about ID versus evolution. I say that the "SCIENCE IS SETTLED".

OT

microsoft/yahoo deal is reportedly dead...announcement very shortly google/yahoo advertising deal.

How does the market feel about this;
microsoft stock is up
yahoo stock is down

re: #100 Charles

There was nothing wrong with asking the question. That's a silly point. Of course it matters whether a presidential candidate is a US citizen.

Now they've laid the question to rest. That's it. On to the next chapter.

Where have they laid the matter to rest Charles? Perhaps in your mind, but certainly not in mine and not in the minds of many others here, who doubt the authenticity of this purported birth certificate on a number of well-defined grounds.

The question will be laid to rest when it is fully verified. KOS scan is not verification in any way, shape or form, even if Obama feels he would rather leak to the blogs.

re: #120 galloping granny

and you and Real are incapable of realizing that this is a NON ISSUE, a complete RED HERRINg, throwing us off of BHO's REAL vulnarabilities. But keep obsessing about this. It's just the type of distraction the liberals relish in!

re: #118 mama winger

I do.

Well?

I'm a bit late to this discussion ,so maybe I don't understand all the nuances, but I really don't see much of a problem with the birth certificate. I recently retired, lost original birth certificate while in the Army. Social Security accepted my Washington State "Certificate of Live Birth" without the slightest question, it looks a lot like Hawaii's, seal is printed, not embossed. However on the rear, it is certified by County Public Health. All Soc-Sec wanted in addition was a DD214. Maybe irrelevant to this discussion, trying to catch up. :)

re: #52 akak

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

Hmm. I think that .357 she's holding is good enough for me. What say you?

JAFLW

re: #127 galloping granny

Where have they laid the matter to rest Charles? Perhaps in your mind, but certainly not in mine and not in the minds of many others here, who doubt the authenticity of this purported birth certificate on a number of well-defined grounds.

The question will be laid to rest when it is fully verified. KOS scan is not verification in any way, shape or form, even if Obama feels he would rather leak to the blogs.

OK, if you want to keep insisting that it's fake, that's your business. But I do not agree, and that is not my position.

re: #124 Typicalwhitey

Do tell!

I grew up around Chicago style Illinois politics. My father was friends with George Ryan ( former governor, now in prison). He also worked for a former Illinois Senator. My step-mother was secretary to a long-term Congressman.

Chicago politics is old fashioned arm twisting knuckle breaking below the belt Mob politics. If you do not want something seen,and you want it done dirty, you do it in Chicago.

re: #125 BigJohn

I agree with Charles. Let's talk about something else. How about ID versus evolution. I say that the "SCIENCE IS SETTLED".

John...don't go there

OT: Feel Good Story of the Day

They don't call it "the Machine' for nothing.

re: #134 jorline

John...don't go there

I should have said, "Tongue firmly planted in cheek."

I think Obama's "birth certificate" simply MUST be fake. Everyone knows that Obama descended directly from heaven, to walk amongst us spreading hope and change. He was not born of woman, as we mere mortals are.

I wonder if those spawned from Satan (read: BUSH) have birth certificates.

re: #125 BigJohn
I love that clip of South Park. Thanks.

What are the Vegas odds on "This is not the birth certificate I knew"?

re: #123 sattv4u2

almost totally invisible

Yet still visible.

The main problem remains-that the president of the United States could be a junior senator with little experience, no wisdom and an enormous chip on his shoulder and an equally aggreived wife, whose closest friends and spiritual advisors are a bunch of scummy self-hating American, antisemtic POS who want to chat with Eichmadinejad.

re: #121 Iron Fist

,

Maximize your carbon footprint. Al Gore does.

I don't want anyone to know where I am when I get to my cave.

It is only a matter of time until they produce a document from Kamehameha certifying that Barry was born in Hawaii.

re: #125 BigJohn

I agree with Charles. Let's talk about something else. How about ID versus evolution. I say that the "SCIENCE IS SETTLED".

nah.....senior al-Qaeda in Iran!

re: #138 Occasional Reader

There you go, getting all 'gooey' again about the Lightwalker.

re: #11 'Nam Grunt

He wasn't born, he was hatched by Soros!

He was shat by Soros.

re: #54 JimmyTheClaw

If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb.
(Now that's more like it!)

I don't think so, Tim, errrrrrr, Jim. There's a heckuva lot more energy than THAT in a fission explosion, never mind a fusion one! Somebody dropped a few zeros on that calculation...

JAFLW

re: #128 sattv4u2

and you and Real are incapable of realizing that this is a NON ISSUE, a complete RED HERRINg, throwing us off of BHO's REAL vulnarabilities. But keep obsessing about this. It's just the type of distraction the liberals relish in!

It may be a non-issue to you. That is your privilege as a member of the voting public to be concerned with whatever concerns you. In light of Obama's extremely empty record, this is a prime issue for me. Don't think for a second that I am not equally concerned with his record of not voting, his hidden positions on a variety of issues, his waffling positions on darned near everything, his frequent lies and his moving the DNC to Chicago. I happen to also be very concerned with his fulfillment of the requirements laid out in the Constitution for President of the United States. I am not convinced that he does and this manner of handling, after months of refusal, the issue of his "birth certificate" makes me no more convinced.

Problem definitely not solved as far as I'm concerned.

re: #135 loppyd

OT: Feel Good Story of the Day

Remember the ovation Manny got @ Fenway in his first game there after being sworn in as a US citicizen? And he ran out hustled onto the field waving a little American flag?

re: #145 opnion

It is only a matter of time until they produce a document from Kamehameha certifying that Barry was born in Hawaii.

I've got it! We could get Magnum, P.I. on the case!

We can divide this issue into two parts. One - is the certificate genuine? Two - why release to Kos?

Regarding One - if people out there want to dig around on the chance they can prove it false, well more power to them. The odds are long but what the hey, if you proved it false you would have either totally taken Obama out of the race for President or you would have completely embarrassed Kos (if that is possible) because one of the two would have lied.

Regarding Two - I find this much more interesting. Releasing his birth certificate to a Blog site is truly interesting. Is this a new strategy? If so why? What will the MSM make of it? What I do see is that no matter what, sites like LGF and some others have not only entered the major leagues but are clearly starters.

"Reason" Online?

more like
TReason Online

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

Remember the ovation Manny got @ Fenway in his first game there after being sworn in as a US citicizen? And he ran out hustled onto the field waving a little American flag?

Yes, I sure do!

It was an awesome moment.

re: #147 WriterMom

There you go, getting all 'gooey' again about the Lightwalker.

Lightwalker, Lightbringer, whatever he is...

re: #132 Charles

OK, if you want to keep insisting that it's fake, that's your business. But I do not agree, and that is not my position.

That's fine Charles. I have never presented my opinion as anything other than MY opinion and certainly expect you to have your own. You might go take a look at your own birth certificate in light of the many deficiencies the I, realwest and others have pointed out here though.

re: #142 faraway

Yet still visible.

I was specifically referring to mine. I've seen originals where the stamp is not as prominent as mine (like you, I needed them for youth soccer teams that I have coached) I'm sure some of those would TOTALLY be gone as copies

re: #152 Occasional Reader

I've got it! We could get Magnum, P.I. on the case!

OMG - I loved that show!

OT: Guess Who Else Has a Message of CHANGE?

re: #150 galloping granny

aside from the certificate issue, i am in 100% agreement with you about BHO the lightweight poser

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

re: #160 WriterMom

GAH.

re: #152 Occasional Reader

I've got it! We could get Magnum, P.I. on the case!

*swoon*

re: #152 Occasional Reader

I've got it! We could get Magnum, P.I. on the case!

Or Steve McGarrett!

/book 'em, danno. murder one.

Most liberal bloggers act like petulant children....

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

Are you serious?

Geez, I guess he's a regular reader then... I'm sure he'd last all of two posts before the big ol wacking stick would shoo him back into his or her hole...

Lightwalker ? Lightbringer ? Nightlight?

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

Hoopie?

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

That's what we call "Palestinian logic". E.g., "I demand that you dismantle your checkpoints to make it easier for me to bomb you."

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

He's not the commenter that I knew. I'm saddened, shocked and deeply disappointed.

re: #150 galloping granny

It may be a non-issue to you. That is your privilege as a member of the voting public to be concerned with whatever concerns you. In light of Obama's extremely empty record, this is a prime issue for me. Don't think for a second that I am not equally concerned with his record of not voting, his hidden positions on a variety of issues, his waffling positions on darned near everything, his frequent lies and his moving the DNC to Chicago. I happen to also be very concerned with his fulfillment of the requirements laid out in the Constitution for President of the United States. I am not convinced that he does and this manner of handling, after months of refusal, the issue of his "birth certificate" makes me no more convinced.

Problem definitely not solved as far as I'm concerned.

I asked yesterday what information was specifically indicated on a HI birth certificate. I have no suspicions that he wasn't born on US soil. But I do wonder if the original birth certificate might contain some piece of information that wouldn't match up with some claim put forward by Obama during his polititcal career.

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

Fairness Doctrine.

re: #164 MandyManners

*swoon*

I'm afraid you're not his flavor, Mandy, if you know what I mean. NTTAWWT.

re: #170 Occasional Reader

That's what we call "Palestinian logic". E.g., "I demand that you dismantle your checkpoints to make it easier for me to bomb you."

LOL

So true.

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

Doesn't dimwit know about Open Registration threads?

Kanab, Utah will once again, allow BIKINIS in town...

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

ROFLMAO. Getting to register here is a rite of passage. Many of us waited well over a year. If he hangs around enough sooner or later he'll get it right.

re: #162 Charles

I especially like the commenter over there who flings obscene insults at me, then complains that he isn't being allowed to register so that he can fling the insults here.

ahh ,, let him in Charles. We'd hammer him faster and harder than a box of nails on a roofing job

Allah fish spotted in the UK.

re: #152 Occasional Reader

How about McGarrett?

re: #159 mama winger

OMG - I loved that show!

I hsd a poster of Tom Selleck on my bedroom door as a teenager! WHAT A HUNK!

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I'm afraid you're not his flavor, Mandy, if you know what I mean. NTTAWWT.

You fiend! Tom Selleck is not homosexual!

re: #132 Charles

OK, if you want to keep insisting that it's fake, that's your business. But I do not agree, and that is not my position.

There's going to be a lot of stuff hitting the wall about Obama in the next few months, some of it true and some just pure conjecture. It's wise to be a little cautious about every little rumor, since the public and media will, at some point, just get tired of the bs.

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

Hoopie?

Hoopie doesn't fling. He slings.

re: #174 Occasional Reader

Devastating waste.

re: #166 loppyd

Most liberal bloggers act like petulant children....

Why stop at bloggers?

re: #90 vxbush

Let's just say those of us who live in Illinois and are somewhat familiar with the Chicago political machine have a reason to want to check everything.

And let's not forget The Machine (Chicago style...) whuile we're at it...

JAFLW

re: #165 Ward Cleaver

Beat me to the joke.

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Fish idolatry.....behead it.

Put it another way. It may be a document issued by the State of Hawaii, but it's not the original document issued at the time of his birth.

And having worked in data entry I can say that incorrect info can be input at the data entry phase.

re: #183 MandyManners

You fiend! Tom Selleck is not homosexual!

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

re: #187 Fenway_Nation

Why stop at bloggers?

Well not all liberals are....oh, um, wait. LOL

Real bunch of shitheads posting over there.

Tom Selleck is. ...?

re: #135 loppyd

OT: Feel Good Story of the Day

Ahhhh. That was a breath of fresh air. Thanks, Loppy!

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Allahu akbar!

re: #182 goddessoftheclassroom

I hsd a poster of Tom Selleck on my bedroom door as a teenager! WHAT A HUNK!

He still is too. And I hear he likes guns.........

I have guns .......

ooh - is it getting hot in here or is it just me?

re: #182 goddessoftheclassroom

I hsd a poster of Tom Selleck on my bedroom door as a teenager! WHAT A HUNK!

* * *
Selleck ("Lifeguard") also did a good job portraying General Eisenhower on the eve of D-DAY on a recent made for TV movie.

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Allah fish spotted in the UK.

Pisces Akbar!

open registration is here

re: #197 WriterMom

Allahu akbar!

....and pass the tartar sauce

OR...I think you are SERIOUSLY breaking hearts here.

Some of the lizard ladies are apparently the last to know. Don't tell them about Tom Cruise and Ricky Martin-you'll just discombobulate the whole thread.

re: #192 Occasional Reader

He's married, wife's name is Jillian, she was a dancer.

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

No I don't think so

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

from wiki:

Tom Selleck was married to model Jacqueline Ray from 1970 - 1982 from which he adopted her son, Kevin (born 1966), from a previous marriage. He dated actress Mimi Rogers for a short time in the early 1980s.

Selleck married Jillie Mack August 7, 1987.[4] They have one daughter, Hannah Margaret Mack Selleck[5] (born December 16, 1988).[6] The family lives in Thousand Oaks, California.[7] He has a summer residence in Jonesboro, Maine, United States.

In 1988, Selleck, Larry Manetti and Denver Broncos team owner Pat Bowlen, opened The Black Orchid restaurant in Honolulu, Hawaii. It went bankrupt within a year and was sold in 1992.

re: #199 alegrias

* * *
Selleck ("Lifeguard") also did a good job portraying General Eisenhower on the eve of D-DAY on a recent made for TV movie.

He also had the lead role in Savoring Ryan's Privates.

KIDDING!

(just picking up a theme from yesterday's threads0

re: #192 Occasional Reader

No, he is married and sued some rag that claimed he was gay.

re: #133 mama winger

I grew up around Chicago style Illinois politics. My father was friends with George Ryan ( former governor, now in prison). He also worked for a former Illinois Senator. My step-mother was secretary to a long-term Congressman.

Chicago politics is old fashioned arm twisting knuckle breaking below the belt Mob politics. If you do not want something seen,and you want it done dirty, you do it in Chicago.

Then how can anyone possibly believe this is "change"?

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

It's been rumored. He sued a paper over a story that he was gay....

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

No. He's been maried to the same woman since 1987. There were rumors about it but he's steadfastly denied them.

re: #205 mama winger

but what about Higgins?

I've also heard the rumours. So John Travolta is also married-and Tom Cruise.

re: #211 MandyManners

No. He's been maried to the same woman since 1987. There were rumors about it but he's steadfastly denied them.

I'm sure they're thinking about Al Gore...

re: #212 Big Steve

but what about Higgins?

ROFLMAO!

Hm, maybe my info on Tom Selleck is way, way out of date:

In the early 1990s, Selleck held a press conference to say that he was not gay after a Queer Nation poster allegedly tried to out him. Years later, he played an openly gay character in In & Out with Kevin Kline. He also sued a tabloid for printing a story that he was gay, which later was settled with an apology and a financial sum that Selleck donated to a university journalism program, to promote ethics in media.

In which case... sorry about that, Mr. Selleck.

(I do recall he's been outspokenly conservative, so good for him.)

re: #150 galloping granny

It may be a non-issue to you. That is your privilege as a member of the voting public to be concerned with whatever concerns you. In light of Obama's extremely empty record, this is a prime issue for me. Don't think for a second that I am not equally concerned with his record of not voting, his hidden positions on a variety of issues, his waffling positions on darned near everything, his frequent lies and his moving the DNC to Chicago. I happen to also be very concerned with his fulfillment of the requirements laid out in the Constitution for President of the United States. I am not convinced that he does and this manner of handling, after months of refusal, the issue of his "birth certificate" makes me no more convinced.

Problem definitely not solved as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I don't doubt that this "certification of live birth" is authentic - as far as it goes. But it's a modern document generated in response to a recent inquiry, not his actual birth certificate. Does his birth certificate contain anything salacious or important? Who knows - literally, who knows? Probably not. But the fact that the Obama campaign leaked this non-answer material to the Daily Kos wackos without actually tackling the issue head on is very telling. Normally when someone asks you to present a document, you, um, actually present the document. Do cops ask for a "proof of having received a license," rather than your actual license?

I didn't care about Obama's stupid birth certificate a whit until he started taking such pains to NOT produce it.

re: #215 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!

"ROFLMAO"? sorry I might have to ask my kids to let me know what that one means (showing my age!)

Tom Selleck:

One of his favorite memories is a dinner he gave in the early 1980s for then-president Ronald Reagan. It was at Chasen's restaurant (which has since closed) in Los Angeles, and the guests included William F. Buckley and many other politically conservative luminaries. "I served a 1974 Mayacamas Cabernet Sauvignon to President Reagan," Selleck recalls, "and he had several glasses. I was thrilled when he asked for another glass."

Selleck is known for his own conservative politics. He was a vocal supporter of Reagan and of former president George Bush. Though he now considers himself a "disaffected voter," he registered as an independent in 1992 and contributed money to Paul Tsongas, Jerry Brown and Patrick Buchanan "in the spirit," he says, "of creating a legitimate debate." He has been called the successor to Charlton Heston as the leader of Hollywood's right wing, and it has even been rumored that Selleck himself might be considering a run for public office--a rumor that he has always denied.

These days, though, he is playing down his conservative leanings; although he is still very much of the right, he talks more about the politics of consensus than about any contracts with America.

[Link: www.cigaraficionado.com...]

As long as we're on it:

Wasn't it Tom Selleck who near 'bout had a fist-fight with Rosie O'Donnell over ... what was it? ... guns?

(I think Tom is cool. But Rosie would have torn him in quarters.)

re: #125 BigJohn

I agree with Charles. Let's talk about something else. How about ID versus evolution. I say that the "SCIENCE IS SETTLED".

ROFLMAO...Great video, John.

...sued The Globe in '91...

Again, Tom Selleck:

Selleck's character, his insistence on values, and his concern for what he believes to be right came to the fore several years ago when a homosexual organization that specialized in dragging people out of the closet declared on a poster that he was gay. A tabloid newspaper picked up the report. Selleck was furious, and fought back.

"The gay thing was a big risk, actually," he says, "but it couldn't have turned out any better. Someone told me you're really not successful in this business until you start hearing rumors about yourself. If people who are gay find me attractive and want me to be gay, there's nothing I can do about it. But I'm not gay, and I knew there was a political element in it because of my conservatism.

"I got a lot of advice not to react, people telling me that reacting would only lend credence to the whole thing. But I thought, I'm married, and what does this say to my wife and my child about the way I live my life? It's not being antigay to say you're not gay. I said that no one has lived on the face of this earth who can truthfully say I'm gay. I don't feel the need to comment publicly on gays or the gay movement, but I felt I had to do something about it for me to remain reasonably sane. If you're gay, you're gay, and if you're not, you're not. I did the right thing. And I got an apology from the tabloid inside of a week."

re: #213 WriterMom

I've also heard the rumours. So John Travolta is also married-and Tom Cruise.

And so was Oscar Wilde. Nevertheless, if Selleck sued and won (in this day and age), I'm gonna assume he's not gay (since the lawsuit would have been horribly risky, as Oscar Wilde himself famously found out); I retract my earlier, ill-informed statement. So, swoon away, ladies.

I think Daily Kos and its blogger apologists are doing a tremendous job in helping to prevent the election of Obama. Jews, independents, and the reasonably-minded can look aghast at the mindless and dangerous drivel so posted, and wonder, if these people support Obama what does it mean?

It means, that they think Obama is a fellow traveler. And in flashing nutball lights !

Thank you, thank you, thank you little Markos ! If I saw you I would give you the fist bump! You dah dumb man.

re: #212 Big Steve

but what about Higgins?

Ahhhh - Higgins is another story altogether.

:)

re: #184 Golem Akbar

There's going to be a lot of stuff hitting the wall about Obama in the next few months, some of it true and some just pure conjecture. It's wise to be a little cautious about every little rumor, since the public and media will, at some point, just get tired of the bs.

My problem isn't whether this particular thing was true or not.Fine, it is his BC.
Fine, he's an American citizen, over 35 thus eligible to run for president.

MY problem is the lack of critical concern by his supporters to serious shortcomings in his character, like all of his slimy associations.
Like all of his throwing of such associates under the bus at a moment's notice.
Like his serious drug use, his inability to even quit smoking.
His inability to even administer a web site.
Like his willingness to work with jihadist front organizations.

The fact that his supporters won't look at any of that and say, "something's wrong here," is positively scary.

re: #216 Occasional Reader

Hm, maybe my info on Tom Selleck is way, way out of date:

In which case... sorry about that, Mr. Selleck.

(I do recall he's been outspokenly conservative, so good for him.)

I was about to smack you.

re: #218 Big Steve

"ROFLMAO"? sorry I might have to ask my kids to let me know what that one means (showing my age!)

Rolling On the Floor, Laughing My Ass Off.

re: #93 mama winger

o/t Mama, your pooch is the sweetest!

Tom Sellect is not gay - see my above posts.

NOW may I commence my swooning?

re: #228 MandyManners

I was about to smack you.

Okay, but you did get the memo about Harvey Fierstein, right?

re: #230 katemaclaren

o/t Mama, your pooch is the sweetest!

He truly is. I am head over heels.

re: #219 mama winger

A friend of mine used to sing at the Reagans' parties. She loved them and they were very gracious to her.

re: #229 MandyManners

Thanks....I am honored (and relieved I was not getting insulted)

re: #232 Occasional Reader

Okay, but you did get the memo about Harvey Fierstein, right?

Didn't need the memo for that one.

re: #232 Occasional Reader

Okay, but you did get the memo about Harvey Fierstein, right?

Laughed out loud. Fer real.

re: #235 Big Steve

Thanks....I am honored (and relieved I was not getting insulted)

I only insult trolls and pin-heads.

re: #174 Occasional Reader

BLASPHEMY !
Somebody wash his mouth out w/ soap!

re: #213 WriterMom

I've also heard the rumours. So John Travolta is also married-and Tom Cruise.

scientology freaks.

Okay, I have a definitive answer on the Obama b/c issue:

I got to look at several current Hawaiian Certifications of birth -- none belonging to me or I'd get a scan -- sorry! -- and talked to a neighbor, lifelong resident of Hawaii and mother of multiple babies, to get answers.

The Obama certificate does seem to be real. Here's why:

1. Hawaii does use nationalities or whatever as the "race" entry. My neighbor had Japanese for herself, and her husband listed four different European countries -- not Asian or Caucasian. She tells me that the registrar will just transcribe whatever you put down on the application for the certificate, so if Obama's mom put down African, that's what they put in the blank.

2. The date stamp you can see backward is part of the seal. On the back of the certificate is the notary's data and signature.

3. The stamped impression of the notary, on the certificates I saw, is just above that seal. If you look very closely indeed at the Obama scan, it appears that there is some warping of the green background above where the seal on the back would be and directly across from his father's name that could be a faint seal mark. On the certificates I saw, the seal was a very faint impression, and even holding them in my hands they were hard to see. I know scans wash those out, so no surprise they were nigh-invisible on the Kos cert.

Everything else, even the crappy image of the Hawaiian state seal at the top, holds true.

As for the certificate/certification: my neighbor tells me that you can get a CERTIFICATE from the hospital with additional information . However, the state only issues a CERTIFICATION of live birth, like this one.

As far as I can tell, this is a real cert. So the question is:

why Kos? and why not just release the darn thing openly in public?

re: #177 Capitalist Tool

Kanab, Utah will once again, allow BIKINIS in town...

OW! Warn us next time, wouldja please!

Where's the Brain Bleach!

JAFLW

re: #224 Occasional Reader

OK OK. I am just thinking what kind of evidence is required to 'prove' one's orientation. I mean-GAAAAAAAAAAA. Don't wanna know.

re: #213 WriterMom

I've also heard the rumours. So John Travolta is also married-and Tom Cruise.

That's got to be just more Hollywood fairy BS trying to convince everybody that gay is normal.

re: #240 loppyd

Yep. I really can't stand that cult.

re: #241 kywrite

Thank you!

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Uh, I'm pretty sure he's quite open about it, isn't he?

My ex-boss from Kentucky used to be the president of Goodwill Industries Hawaii, and told us that Jim Nabors "turned" our Tom. He was in a position to know, as he hobnobbed with the elite here.

re: #242 Just Another Four-letter Word

HAHAHAHAHHHH

re: #245 WriterMom

Yep. I really can't stand that cult.

Don't get me started. Silent births?

re: #172 RTLM

I asked yesterday what information was specifically indicated on a HI birth certificate. I have no suspicions that he wasn't born on US soil. But I do wonder if the original birth certificate might contain some piece of information that wouldn't match up with some claim put forward by Obama during his polititcal career.

If I had not had a child overseas myself not long after Obama was born, the story making the rounds about his mother waiting too long to get out of Kenya and on a plane home, resulting in his birth in Kenya, would strike me as just so much hokum and rumour. I did have a child overseas though and the way the story is being reported rings very true with what things on the ground looked like back then in a way that you youngsters just would not understand. Also, I believe that it has been verified that Obama's mother was visiting with his father's family in Kenya during the pregnancy. So, that is doubt #1 for me.

What his consistent refusal to produce the birth certificate says to me is that he is hiding something. Obama seems to hide an awful lot of stuff - his beliefs, his position on various significant issues. And that is the really BIG doubt for me. If it isn't all on the up and up, then why is he refusing all this time to turn over the Birth Certificate. Surely he must expect, after his campaign raised the issue of McCain's birth, that his would be subject to every bit as much scrutiny.

Here is my view on this whole birth certificate thing. It's a side issue. The real issue here is not even Obama, but the fact that a guy with such horribly anti-freedom views is garnering so much support. That should be the essential concern, because that's what has the biggest effect on our lives long range. It has an effect on our actual survival.

I don’t want to see Americans going through what Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant are going through in Canada. It’s not a good path to follow and leftists are leading us in that direction.

Liberty and individual rights are always the central issue when it comes to politics, because the function of proper government is to uphold those rights, nothing more and nothing less. That's the positive thing to fight for! That's what I'm fighting for, at any rate.

re: #241 kywrite

why Kos? and why not just release the darn thing openly in public?

Yes yes.....most interesting

Looks legit to me. But the circumstances of its release raise new questions...

Why is the Obama campaign using Kos as a press agent?

Why wasn't this released to mainstream media outlets?

Is Daily Kos accredited as an official press agency?

Is Daily Kos an official part of the Obama campaign, and thereby bound by the election campaign rules?

Is there a direct link between the Obama campaign and Daily Kos?

Are Obama campaign workers active members of the Daily Kos?

Is the Daily Kos registered as a 527?

LEGALITIES?,
R

re: #247 kywrite
There is no way jim nabors could get a guy like tom selleck. No way, no how.

Out of here!

Have a good night, LN.

re: #243 WriterMom

OK OK. I am just thinking what kind of evidence is required to 'prove' one's orientation. I mean-GAAAAAAAAAAA. Don't wanna know.

For a libel case, it works the other way around. He could sue the paper for libel, they would have to prove the truth of the story as their defense. However, it would simply be proof by "preponderance of the evidence", so if they had real proof (e.g. photos of him smooching another man, or, what doomed Wilde's case, love letters), the paper would have had an easy defense. Apparently they didn't, so again, I retract my earlier statement.

re: #254 newsjunkie_ky

There is no way jim nabors could get a guy like tom selleck. No way, no how.

It's the deep singin' voice, followed by the "surprise, surpeise, surprise!".

/

re: #204 reine.de.tout

He's married, wife's name is Jillian, she was a dancer.

♪"Her name was Lola, she was a showgirl..."♫

JAFLW

re: #257 OldLineTexan

Fark, fark, fark, kosdammit!

"surprise"

PIMFF

re: #249 loppyd

Don't get ME started...aliens invaded the earth?

I have just three syllables for that POS: e-pi-dural.

LOL.

re: #218 Big Steve

"ROFLMAO"? sorry I might have to ask my kids to let me know what that one means (showing my age!)

Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off

re: #241 kywrite

Thank you, But be prepared to be dismissed (as another relative newbie was) due to your paucity of posts (no, thats nothing akin to audicity of hope)

re: #256 Occasional Reader

Ahh-thanks for that...it is useful to have lawyers in the house...