Maybe you should put it in ALL CAPS BOLDED at the top of that thread that you believe it's for real?

What a tool.

Hey Dave GFY!|

Nah. Why give in to that jerk.

re: #3 'Nam Grunt

Hey Dave GFY!|

GFY?

Kos is not exactly what one would call an unbiased source when it comes to things Obama. He'd pretty much say anything that BHO asked of him, so caution when he turns up with perported "evidence' that Obama won't release to anyone else seems only prudent.

People are crazy for doubting Lord Kosling? I'd say more on that score, but I'm having trouble typing through this strait jacket.

re: #5 MandyManners

Go F**k Yourself, enchanting huh?

My my....they're awful defensive aren't they?

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream and I'm gonna wake up in a cold sweat and shake until I've had my first cup of joe.....

re: #10 maddogg

He wasn't born, he was hatched by Soros!

I think you were wrong to accept the Obama birth certificate as real. But what the heck, if he bashes you Charles it just makes him feel better for the Whitey tape.

re: #10 maddogg

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream and I'm gonna wake up in a cold sweat and shake until I've had my first cup of joe.....

That's so Lovecraftian...

re: #11 'Nam Grunt

He wasn't born, he was hatched by Soros!

And that is a fact.

re: #8 'Nam Grunt

Go F**k Yourself, enchanting huh?

Oh. I prefer the whole thing.

re: #10 maddogg

I don't think Obama was born at all. I think he is a bad dream.....

Or the by-product of those darn mind control experiments. :-)

If you can't post anything but "GFY," I'd appreciate it if you would just not post. That doesn't add anything to the discussion, it just makes us look bad to anyone reading these comments.

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

re: #12 galloping granny

Granny I luv ya', but I've been reading Charles for a long time now and if he says it's BS then I'm on board with his thoughts, and he has slapped me around on many occasions. HAHAHA!

It's a stupid side issue to everything else that is wrong with Obama, but for me, it isn't an authentic document. A certification has the signature and name of the certifier on it. Where is this? On the reverse? And does the Obama campaign stand behind this 'document'? Do they want to comment as to why they released it to Kos?

I dunno, if Markos 'Screw Em' Moulitsas told me the sky was blue I'd look out the window to make sure...

re: #17 Charles

Okey dokey, I'll just log off Charles, sorry!

re: #10 maddogg,

Now that is completely false. Obama was born in a fountain of light, bathed in the tears of unicorns, and clothed in rainbows. He is a Lightworker, free from the typical mortal strictures like birth and, presumably, death.

Haven't you been keeping up with the scriptures of the Obamessiah? Get with the program.

(cue nutball Kos commenter's diary about Israel).

And once again, blurring the distinction between commenter and BLOGGER.

re: #24 uncle_monkey

And once again, blurring the distinction between commenter and BLOGGER.

Yep. They blur the line when they want to defend that kind of crap, but then have no hesitation about turning right around and using the same tactic to smear Hot Air and LGF.

at least they didn't pretend that it was written thirty years ago on a typewriter

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

...some people are money-grubbing attention-whores...and that's all there is to it...

re: #25 Charles

Well, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. It really is telling when a computer programmer jazz musician guy in his pajamas has more oversight on the content of his site or blog than a leading US presidential candidate.

re: #18 Golem Akbar

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

If we could only hook up a generator...

re: #20 Fish-Man

It's a stupid side issue to everything else that is wrong with Obama, but for me, it isn't an authentic document. A certification has the signature and name of the certifier on it. Where is this? On the reverse? And does the Obama campaign stand behind this 'document'? Do they want to comment as to why they released it to Kos?

I have one of these, for my own "certification of birth". Instead of issuing a certified photocopy, the use the info. from the original birth certificate and print out the pertinent information. Here, these are issued by the Clerk of Courts offices, and are perfectly legal and acceptable for any purpose for which one needs an original birth certificate.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet? Is this a common practice?

re: #27 mama winger,

It's like watching two teams you don't like play a game of baseball. Where neither side can hit, pitch, or field.

In the rain. Bleah.

re: #19 'Nam Grunt

Granny I luv ya', but I've been reading Charles for a long time now and if he says it's BS then I'm on board with his thoughts, and he has slapped me around on many occasions. HAHAHA!

well 'Nam, you can do that if you want. Charles is pretty good at quite a few things. He is not G_d however, nor is he an expert at everything. When it comes to birth certificates, I have lots more reason to claim expertise than Charles does. And he should not feel slighted by that. For reasons that I have outlined in detail in previous threads, I believe that Charles is wrong on this and that this uncertified "certification of birth" does not qualify as the final arbiter of Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" since it would not qualify for a Social Security card. I'm not satisfied with it - even if Charles is.

re: #17 Charles

If you can't post anything but "GFY," I'd appreciate it if you would just not post. That doesn't add anything to the discussion, it just makes us look bad to anyone reading these comments.

I'm not sure if re-posting your comment actually "adds anything to the discussion" either, but as this is something I have often thought myself, and I wholeheartedly agree and just wanted it "said again" &/or emphasized.

re: #27 mama winger

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

I'll let you share my cave.

re: #32 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

credibility, like reputation, takes a long time to build up, and only a second to bring crashing down. there is zero issue here. we should stick to serious issues, and the obvious limitations of the latest marxist/socialist to get the Democrat nomination.

Just sayin'

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Well, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. It really is telling when a computer programmer jazz musician guy in his pajamas has more oversight on the content of his site or blog than a leading US presidential candidate.

A President (or candidate for that office) is supposed to delegate authority.

It really helps if he delegates it to someone competent.

I'm in meetings. Did Obama produce his birth certificate?

re: #31 reine.de.tout

I have one of these, for my own "certification of birth". Instead of issuing a certified photocopy, the use the info. from the original birth certificate and print out the pertinent information. Here, these are issued by the Clerk of Courts offices, and are perfectly legal and acceptable for any purpose for which one needs an original birth certificate.

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

Weigel uses commenters to bash Hot Air and LGF, but then turns right around and excuses the sheer insanity posted in a Daily Kos diary by discounting it as a “comment” — which it is not.

Can we now call them "Double Standard Online" instead of "Reason Online"?

Can someone please post an image of a similar document from Hawaii?

I looked at mine from a different state and it has the following:
1. Gold leaf state seal
2. Date of Issue

re: #25 Charles

Yep. They blur the line when they want to defend that kind of crap, but then have no hesitation about turning right around and using the same tactic to smear Hot Air and LGF.

I have seen this over and over on the left.
Yesterday, a crawl on the bottom of Foxnews had "stop picking on obamas baby mama"
The koskiddies decided to defend her by smearing cindy mccain

re: #38 Vergeltung

Why is it that candidates from that party present as their qualification for the office the fact that they are not competent or are otherwise unfit for that office?

re: #40 opnion

I'm in meetings. Did Obama produce his birth certificate?

It's on the front page.

re: #33 Iron Fist

,

It's like watching two teams you don't like play a game of baseball. Where neither side can hit, pitch, or field.

In the rain. Bleah.

I love it when you talk baseball.

re: #41 galloping granny

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

My original birth certificate was with my passport application when I retired, and I needed it to begin collecting my retirement benefits, and it was accepted.

re: #37 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

I've never heard of such a thing. What does he plan to do, move the White House to Chicago too?

it seems to me that a candidate for president would go all out and get the real birth certificate and then release to legitimate media folks - not get a sort of birth certificate and then release it kos.

re: #36 MandyManners

I'll let you share my cave.

Do you have enough 'Good and Plenty'? Or should I bring extra?

#36 MandyManners re:
I'll let you share my cave.

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

re: #40 opnion
"certification of birth" to kos

how about some humor

If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee.
(Hardly seems worth it.)

If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb.
(Now that's more like it!)

The human heart creates enough pressure when it pumps out to the body to squirt blood 30 feet.
(O.M.G.!)

A pig's orgasm lasts 30 minutes.
(In my next life, I want to be a pig.)

A cockroach will live nine days without its head before it starves to death. (Creepy.)
(I'm still not ! over the pig. )

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories a hour
(Don't try this at home, maybe at work)

The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male's head off.
( Honey, I'm home. What the..?!)

The flea can jump 350 times its body length. It's like a human jumping the length of a football field.
(30 minutes..lucky pig! Can you imagine?)

The catfish has over 27,000 taste buds.
(What could be so tasty on the bottom of the pond?)

Some lions mate over 50 times a day.
(I still want to be a pig in my next life...quality over quantity)

Butterflies taste with their feet.
(Something I always wanted to know.)

The strongest muscle in the body is the tongue.
(Hmmmmmm......)

Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left-handed people.
( If you're ambidextrous, do you split the difference?)

Elephants are the only animals that cannot jump.
(Okay, so that would be a good thing)

A cat's urine glows under a black light.
(I wonder who was paid to figure that out?)

An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain
( I know some people like that.)

Starfish have no brains
(I know some people like that too.)

Polar bears are left-handed.
(If they switch, they'll live a lot longer)

Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure.
(What about that pig?)

re: #41 galloping granny

And I bet it has a date of issue, a seal and a signature on it. I've got some that are hand written and some that are computer generated and some that are photocopies and every single one of them has those three things. They are not acceptable for Social Security purposes unless they are "certified" - no matter how they were produced.

I had to take my birth certificate in to get some paperwork done, and I was worried it would be rejected because it an old 1970's xerox--but it *does* have a seal on it, and a stamp of authenticity with a person's name on it. I believe there was a date of issue as well.

Interesting. But to stay more on topic:

Maybe the problem here is understanding when to address the concerns of your opponents. Many in the Democrat party were concerned about McCain's ability to run because of his birth in the Panama Canal zone. That was addressed and now it's old news. Why can't the Democrats resolve this question? I appreciate the effort that Kos made to do so, but it would have meant a great deal more if it had come from the Obama campaign directly.

It seems any issue brought up by Republicans, conservatives, or non-Obamaites is first derided, then ignored, and then barely addressed. It's getting rather tiresome being treated like a bunch of whiny two-year-olds when we have serious questions.

re: #49 galloping granny

I've never heard of such a thing. What does he plan to do, move the White House to Chicago too?

Chicago - The Land of Opaque Politics. Where nothing unseen is seen; where the sun never shines on deeds done in the dark.

re: #49 galloping granny

No, but I heard he was contemplating those little minarets like Hagia Sophia in Istanbul.:)

re: #52 akak

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

...and there's an inspector from the HOA here...

re: #49 galloping granny

To finish up on previous post

re: #650 galloping granny

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy. Obviously you have never had to get one. At best it is an inconvenience. At worst it can be a nightmare. And a real birth certificate in the wrong hands can cause you problems, because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license. Sending a real birth certificate out is a very big deal. You go right ahead and drop it if you want to JustMyView. You do work for Obama, don't you?

HOLD THE WEDDING ! You and Real told me in a PREVIOUS thread that redacting the Certificate # was no big deal when I stated that it could lead to IDENTITY theft ! Now YOU state "because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license"

wow ,,,, just wow

re: #51 mama winger

Do you have enough 'Good and Plenty'? Or should I bring extra?

Bring extra 'cause you'll cook and I'll clean.

re: #54 JimmyTheClaw

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories a hour

I am going to lose a lot of weight between now and November.

re: #52 akak

May I please see your certificate of occupation for that cave ma'am?

*whack*

re: #47 mama winger

I love it when you talk baseball.

[Link: www.breaktaker.com...]

re: #60 MandyManners

Bring extra 'cause you'll cook and I'll clean.

I don't cook OR clean. But I do travel with lots of alcohol.

re: #45 The Other Les

Why is it that candidates from that party present as their qualification for the office the fact that they are not competent or are otherwise unfit for that office?

it's all they have. they must mask their true intentions with pablum like "change" and the like. mainstream america is not socialist or marxist. they must hide their true intentions to get elected.

re: #63 BuddyG

[Link: www.breaktaker.com...]

It won't open for me! waaaaaaaahhhh !

re: #59 sattv4u2

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy.

Why would the state issue a copy that's not "certified"? Makes no sense to me.

re: #58 CIA Reject

...and there's an inspector from the HOA here...

*whack*

re: #34 galloping granny

well 'Nam, you can do that if you want. Charles is pretty good at quite a few things. He is not G_d however, nor is he an expert at everything. When it comes to birth certificates, I have lots more reason to claim expertise than Charles does. And he should not feel slighted by that. For reasons that I have outlined in detail in previous threads, I believe that Charles is wrong on this and that this uncertified "certification of birth" does not qualify as the final arbiter of Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" since it would not qualify for a Social Security card. I'm not satisfied with it - even if Charles is.

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

re: #66 mama winger

! ! !

re: #48 reine.de.tout

My original birth certificate was with my passport application when I retired, and I needed it to begin collecting my retirement benefits, and it was accepted.

It may very well be that SocSec already had your birth certificate as they would have done if you had ever had to replace your social security card. They do also have some ability in a pinch to interface with something like the passport office. Did you also show a driver's license or a military ID card?

If you had been applying for a replacement social security card you would have been required to produce a certified birth certificate. Not necessarily long form depending on when, but it absolutely MUST be certified and it has been that way for decades.

re: #12 galloping granny

I think you were wrong to accept the Obama birth certificate as real. But what the heck, if he bashes you Charles it just makes him feel better for the Whitey tape.

Oh, I dunno -- it was all done in such an aboveboard fashion --

released to a mere blogger
who's been attacked over and over for his moronishness by the Right
without official verification by the campaign, only secondhand stuff
and no seal on the suspiciously-scant document.

The left would believe it if McCain did the same thing with, say, his medical history swearing that he was free and clear of cancer. You know, released the doctor's note (redacted) to LGF without supporting CJ in public and without a notary seal on the note.

Sure.

/not - so was it bait? Hm.

re: #37 Russkilitlover

Sorry, should have titled it. It's about BHO moving the
DNC to Chicago.

Is this so Obama can take advantage of the Chicago political machine? Or so the Chicago drivers of Obama's campaign don't have to make possibly non-secure phone calls and faxes to get their orders across?

re: #64 mama winger

I don't cook OR clean. But I do travel with lots of alcohol.

When can you be at the cave?

re: #69 Charles

still seems like he should have gotten the absolute undeniable 100% real thing with stamps and seals all over it and given it to real media instead of kos

OT

Has anyone else heard about the Sexist reasons Obama beat Hillary? Yep, its all sexist. Puke.

That's ALL the info I need to run the astro-chart!
_________

Name: Barack Hussein Obama II
August 4 1961
7:24 PM Time Zone is AHST
Honolulu, HI

Rising Sign is in 18 Degrees Aquarius
You like new ideas and concepts, but you prefer to discover them by yourself -- it is not easy for others to convert you to anything. You form your own opinions, but once you do form them, you then want to convince everyone else that they are correct...

Sun is in 12 Degrees Leo.
More than a bit of a showoff, you love to be the center of attention! But others do not usually mind because they tend to enjoy your genuine warmth and affection. Very spirited and willful, proud and self-important at times, you demand your own way. ...

Moon is in 03 Degrees Gemini.
Restless in the extreme, you are easily bored because of your short attention span. Your emotions change rapidly and you love to talk about your feelings. ...

Mercury is in 02 Degrees Leo.
You are usually quite convinced that your own ideas are correct and you enjoy persuading others that they are. At times, you are very stubborn and proud of your beliefs and principles, and you get very defensive when they are challenged....

Pluto is in 06 Degrees Virgo.
For your entire generation, this will be a time when profound changes in society's attitude toward work, duty and responsibility will be initiated. Radical changes in attitudes toward personal health and general nutrition will be promulgated and gain wide acceptance and practice.

N. Node is in 27 Degrees Leo.
You prefer to take the leadership role when it comes to dealing with others. You enjoy administering and organizing group activities.

[Link: www.alabe.com...]

re: #71 galloping granny

It may very well be that SocSec already had your birth certificate as they would have done if you had ever had to replace your social security card. They do also have some ability in a pinch to interface with something like the passport office. Did you also show a driver's license or a military ID card?

If you had been applying for a replacement social security card you would have been required to produce a certified birth certificate. Not necessarily long form depending on when, but it absolutely MUST be certified and it has been that way for decades.

Granny, my birth certificate had the seal on it but the issuing date was listed on the back. Perhaps that's what the "JUN 6 2007" that shows up in reverse on the lower portion of the image is--an issuing date.

Just a though.

re: #67 faraway

Why would the state issue a copy that's not "certified"? Makes no sense to me.

see Charles' # 69 ( as well as previous posts by Charles and others) Granny stated it's not "certified'. That we can't see a stamp (which is not in ink, it's embossed) on a scan of a copy of a fax of a ,,,,, etc etc does not mean it is NOT certified

re: #27 mama winger

This is going to be a loooonnnngggg campaign. I'm already worn out. disgusted.

2012 is just starting get ready. I think I see some Hillary! 2012 signs going up...

re: #71 galloping granny

I don't get social security, I was a public employee and not eligible for SS benefits, so there was no interface with the passport folks.

re: #74 MandyManners

When can you be at the cave?

Right after the baseball game, unless you get cable.

I was away on vacation for a bit, but I have to say I have not seen BabbaZee post in some time. Did I miss something? Maybe she is on vacation. :)

re: #75 bluegrassredstate

still seems like he should have gotten the absolute undeniable 100% real thing with stamps and seals all over it and given it to real media instead of kos

The point is, this story is not in the media. They released it to a blogger because the story lives only in the blogosphere. Releasing it to the media makes no sense for them.

PIMF: thought

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

pull-eeze!..if kos told me the sky was blue,i'd look out the window to ck.

re: #59 sattv4u2

To finish up on previous post

re: #650 galloping granny

It is a copy but it is not a certified copy. Obviously you have never had to get one. At best it is an inconvenience. At worst it can be a nightmare. And a real birth certificate in the wrong hands can cause you problems, because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license. Sending a real birth certificate out is a very big deal. You go right ahead and drop it if you want to JustMyView. You do work for Obama, don't you?

HOLD THE WEDDING ! You and Real told me in a PREVIOUS thread that redacting the Certificate # was no big deal when I stated that it could lead to IDENTITY theft ! Now YOU state "because that will get you a social security card and a driver's license"

wow ,,,, just wow

Redacting the serial number on a birth certificate is an entirely different ballgame than mailing the entire original birth certificate around the country.

All the serial number provides is the ability to verify that the information does indeed exist as written. The scan is not good enough to print out a fake certificate from that would be believable.

How many things disappear in the mail every day? You don't need to print a fake BC if you have a real one.

re: #76 Eowyn2

Well dang...now that their racism card is being greatly weakened (by the complete lack of racism in "White America" supporting Obama)....they have to bolster another national victimhood status.

re: #86 Cognito

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

Let's just say those of us who live in Illinois and are somewhat familiar with the Chicago political machine have a reason to want to check everything.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

re: #86 Cognito

you make a good point there, hence my commet(s) up-thread. there is no issue here, and dribbling on about it makes us look dumb.

re: #83 Vergeltung

I was away on vacation for a bit, but I have to say I have not seen BabbaZee post in some time. Did I miss something? Maybe she is on vacation. :)

BabbaZee has been spending her time developing and writing her own blog - you can catch her there :)

re: #77 Fritz_Katz

A freakin' narcissist!

re: #91 faraway

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

Yeah he did.
He said he got it from the campaign.

re: #90 vxbush

Let's just say those of us who live in Illinois and are somewhat familiar with the Chicago political machine have a reason to want to check everything.

Double upding.

re: #93 mama winger

BabbaZee has been spending her time developing and writing

re: #82 mama winger

Right after the baseball game, unless you get cable.

No electricity.

re: #55 vxbush,

You have to understand that the Obamessiah and his Cultish Followers regard you as they would a "a bunch of whiny two-year-olds". They have no respect for you. It is an imposition and a waste of their precious time to be bothered to adress questions that are of no import to the would-be God-emperor Obama.

Hasn't he already told you that he is bringing Hope! and Change!? What more do you pesky, insignificant worms expect of his Holiness? What gives you the right to ask questions of him?

The Obamessiah appears to have drank his own Koolaid. He believes that he will be wafted into the Office of the Presidency on the insubstantial platitudes that have, to be honest, done so well for him in the primaries.

The scary thing is he could be right.

re: #86 Cognito

Is there a particular part of the Reason post that is incorrect? (I really don't know; I haven't followed the twists on other blogs, etc.)

Regardless, I do agree with the spirit of it: I think people at several blogs wandered down the birth certificate path, which I think was a mistake from the beginning. It only promises to pay off if you believe the United States of America is so incompetent that it wouldn't bother to double-check the origin of a Presidential candidate's citizenship.

A candidate, moreover, whose birth and background has been the subject of as much talk, scrutiny, and hagiography as any candidate I can remember.

There was nothing wrong with asking the question. That's a silly point. Of course it matters whether a presidential candidate is a US citizen.

Now they've laid the question to rest. That's it. On to the next chapter.

re: #98 MandyManners

No electricity.

I hate it when you conserve energy.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

re: #69 Charles

It makes no sense whatsoever for the Obama campaign to release a forged document. Even they are not THAT stupid.

This is a real document from the state of Hawaii. It's not a fake.

When Obama stands up in front of a TV camera and shows me the signed/sealed document with the correct information on it with an official from Hawai'i Vital Stats standing next to him verifying it, I will believe him. Until then, if this is "real" then Hawai'i is the sloppiest state in the union and they do things differently than damned near anyone else. I see no reason in this world to accept KOS' word that this is "authentic."

re: #91 faraway

The certificate is not posted on the Obama website. Obama is not saying anything.

Kos doesnt say where it came from.

The certificate does not contain the state seal or the date of issue.

Kos said he asked the Obama campaign for it and they delivered...

re: #88 galloping granny

So having the certificate number is not a problem and can't lead to identity theft unless you have the certificate number? (sorry, but you have argued it both ways, and RealWest and you scoffed at me when I stated it could lead to ID theft

re: #102 Big Steve

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

Occam has fallen into disrepute, it seems.

re: #102 Big Steve

I have to agree with Charles here.... a little Occam's Razor. It would be dramatically worse to release a forged document, and then get caught, than it would be to just continue to remain silent on the whole birth certificate subject.

Oh but how I wish he would have!

re: #69 Charles

I wouldn't say dumb. I would suggest that they are the wrongfully claiming to be smart. Just like an antipope is someone who is wrongfully claims to be the Pope. They are antismart.

Instead of using their natural intelligence to understand reality they are constantly trying to rewrite reality to fit their own ends. Thus the Killian Memos, etc.

re: #81 reine.de.tout

I don't get social security, I was a public employee and not eligible for SS benefits, so there was no interface with the passport folks.

Well then. There are no regulations for what you would have had to submit then. They can accept whatever they please.