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1 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:09:58pm

Geeky!

2 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:10:09pm

?

3 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:10:11pm

Any trolls around?

4 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:10:42pm

From Levin....

Barack says....
He's not qualified.

5 yitzy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:10:58pm

Just picked up my Mets / Rangers tickets for this Sunday. Go METS!

6 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:16pm

Too bad; somebody wanted an echo earlier, and here it is.

7 GRUMP  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:25pm

20 goto 10...

8 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:25pm

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

Any trolls around?

A pathetic little Jew hater on the Door Open thread.
Whimper off.

9 somaking  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:26pm

Error: Abort, Retry, Cancel

10 Freddybear  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:50pm

Seethe at the trollophobia!

11 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:56pm

re: #5 yitzy

Just picked up my Mets / Rangers tickets for this Sunday. Go METS!

I hate the Mets.

12 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:11:58pm

OH NO!

Our favorite presidential candidate is dropping out.

AUSTIN, Texas - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will end his campaign Thursday night and announce a new effort to help elect libertarian-leaning Republicans to public office around the country.

In his honor, a poll:

What is your favorite flavor of ice cream?

1)Vanilla
2)Chocolate
3)Strawberry
4)RON PAUL!

13 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:12:00pm

FYI:McCain is holding a TownHall style speech in NYC now. Broadcast live on Fox cable.

14 yitzy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:12:26pm

...and, with the exception of the dollar sign, I even understand all the programming gobbledeegook. I am SUCH a nerd.

15 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:12:28pm

I killed a six-pack once on a Thursday afternoon.


Just to watch it die...

16 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:12:49pm

Charles, I have no idea what that means. LOL

17 uncle_monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:12:57pm

See if you folks like this concept for a New Obama Movie...

It was a slow afternoon!

18 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:13:02pm

help me, help me
help me sail away

now give me two good reasons why I oughta stay

because I love to live so pleasantly
live this life of luxury
blazing on a sunny afternoon......

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:13:06pm

McCain talking about the economy. It's not his strongest area.

20 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:14:33pm

The troll in the registration thread, by the way, is posting from Fairfax, Virginia, home of the Islamic Saudi Academy that's in the news today for their radical Islamic indoctrination.

21 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:14:33pm

"Islamic extremism"
/drink

22 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:14:53pm

Radical Islamic Extremism. McCain is not afraid to say those words. Way to go.

23 yitzy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:15:12pm

re: #11 mama winger

I hate the Mets.

Maybe we can CHANGE that! dB-)

(Please note the ball cap on my smiley...cool huh?)

24 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:15:17pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

McCain talking about the economy. It's not his strongest area.

It's a Thursday night in the summertime. Cable. No one's watching anyway. :)

25 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:15:26pm

re: #17 uncle_monkey

exxxxx-cellent!

26 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:15:43pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

McCain talking about the economy. It's not his strongest area.


The only time I've seen him energized lately is when he spoke about the need to "get off" foreign oil. If he had one goal, and one goal only for a four year term, I can't think of a better one.

27 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:15:50pm

re: #23 yitzy

Maybe we can CHANGE that! dB-)

(Please note the ball cap on my smiley...cool huh?)

As long as it doesn't say 1969 on it :)

28 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:01pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

McCain talking about the economy. It's not his strongest area.

It sure isn't Obama's either for sure. Matter of fact Obama's strongest thing so far is Change and Hope.
Most of the issues are things the President can't do much about anyway. Just look at the fools he has to work with in Congress.

29 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:03pm

Thoughts on my possible upcoming Nic Change.

Dirty Ummah Hole
Ummah Droppings
Festering Ummah
Ummah Fumes

Ummah Golly, Miss Molly
Ummah-Loompah

Ummah the Hutt
It's Nada Ummah
Ummah Chu Ummah Wong


Throbbing Ummah
Craptacular Ummah

Ummah's Bane

Ummah, the Unlikely

Pax Ummah, the Impossible

Death is Ummah Porn

Spoonful of Ummah
Stan's Other Ummah (D-Usa)
Democrat(tm) brand Ummah Lube
--------
That's all I got.
Vote on em if you please. Don't if you don't please.

My faves for POing the Ummah are up by the top.
Ummah Golly, Miss Molly is a corker, IMO.

I really like the bottom three.

I'm guessing Charles, hits be upon his server (HBUHS), would disallow the top four...certainly incindiary.

Feel free to straight-up gank, lift, borrow, or otherwise use any of them, since my catching an open door is a mathematical rarity comparable to the likelihood of life just forming from... nevermind. :)

-Taq

30 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:16pm

re: #20 Charles

Yikes.

31 sadhu  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:38pm

McCain says it: we are at war with radical islamic extremism

and praises General David Petraeus

and nails Obama again -- "his 855th day without visiting Iraq and he has never sat down with General Petraeus"

32 gibsonz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:41pm

Ahh the open thread, a great place to rant about those five morons on the Supreme court who need to be replaced before Mother Ginsburg and crew find a rationale to hand the world what is left of our rights.

33 conservativeChick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:16:44pm

I heard Ron Paul is quiting his campaign tonight. I can't wait to hear the Paulians scream.

34 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:17:31pm

re: #24 mama winger

Good point.

35 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:17:58pm

re: #33 conservativeChick

Please not those shrill little paulian screams.

I'd rather scratch a chalkboard.

36 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:18:01pm

re: #29 Taqiyyotomist

Festering Ummah

I like this one. It's picturesque.

37 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:18:15pm

re: #29 Taqiyyotomist

Thoughts on my possible upcoming Nic Change.


-Taq

ok, I got the killer for you

Ummah Come Lately

there's an imam in town
everybody loves him
and he's stoning her
and you're not around

just another imam in town

38 sadhu  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:18:21pm

He's on fire. This is such a great forum for him. No wonder Obama bailed.

39 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:18:30pm

re: #33 conservativeChick

I heard Ron Paul is quiting his campaign tonight. I can't wait to hear the Paulians scream.

It was as if a billion yard signs screamed, and then disappeared into garages and garbage piles.

40 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:19:01pm

re: #36 mama winger

Festering Ummah

I like this one. It's picturesque.

I like Papa Ummah Mow Mow

41 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:19:29pm

re: #40 OldLineTexan

I like Papa Ummah Mow Mow

damn !

I like this too, a plus for you

42 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:19:36pm

re: #37 Adrenalyn

Ummha over to my house
I'm gonna give ya some candy...
When we kill more Jooos

43 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:19:39pm

re: #39 OldLineTexan

It was as if a billion yard signs screamed, and then disappeared into garages and garbage piles.

HAHAHAHAHA!

44 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:20:10pm

re: #29 Taqiyyotomist

Ummah Golly, Miss Molly :)

45 philosoteric  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:20:29pm

So how 'bout them Yanks?

*COUGH* *COUGH*

46 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:20:32pm

re: #40 OldLineTexan

Or ...
Popov Uhmma Mao mao
for the chairman.

47 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:20:34pm

I am an American - my family goes back a long way, my fathers grand parents helped settle the Oregon Territory.

WHY should some murdering jihadi from some middle-eastern shit hole have the same rights in America that I do?

I don't get it, and I hope I never do.

48 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:06pm

re: #38 sadhu
Agree. He is relaxed, has facts and is showing a sense of humor. None of that pained face thing he does during scripted jokes. Lets see how he does with Q & A.

49 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:14pm

Charles I sent you an email through the site when you have time to read your email.

50 MJ  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:26pm

Hannah Menashe was only 21 when she was abducted from her family in Baghdad ahead of their immigration to Israel. Decades later, Hanna is finally making aliyah to reunite with her family who had lost hope of ever seeing her again
Itamar Eichner


Fifty-five years after she was abducted from her family's home in Baghdad by her Muslim neighbor and forced to renounce her Judaism, Hannah Menashe managed to flee Iraq and find her way to one of Israel’s European embassies. Her long, exhausting journey is finally coming to an end these days, as she will soon be reunited with he family in Israel, who thought her murdered all these years.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

51 The Other Les  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:36pm

re: #33 conservativeChick

I heard Ron Paul is quiting his campaign tonight. I can't wait to hear the Paulians scream.

I can't wait for them to clear their hand made signs from the sides of our highways.

52 Macker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:51pm

re: #20 Charles

The troll in the registration thread, by the way, is posting from Fairfax, Virginia, home of the Islamic Saudi Academy that's in the news today for their radical Islamic indoctrination.

Hey troll motherfrakker! You're Number One alright!

53 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:21:59pm

Has anyone ever seen Michelle Obama and Wayne Brady in the same room?

54 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:22:09pm

re: #44 wolfie

Ummah Golly, Miss Molly :)

Ummah, You're in Trouble!
Ummah Thurman
Ummah Believer
NOW Ummah Believer
Ummah Bear
Ummah Hog
UmmahInfidel
HummidaUmmahdoodah

55 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:22:43pm

re: #50 MJ

What an amazing story !

56 realwest  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:22:46pm

re: #6 OldLineTexan
Hey my friend - hit and run post, but I wanted to thank you again for your help today!
Thanks!
Gotta run, hope to catch you later on down the road!

57 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:04pm

re: #53 Truck Monkey

OUCH! But Can she sing like Brady?


I..I.. Don't think so.

58 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:21pm

re: #56 realwest

Hey my friend - hit and run post, but I wanted to thank you again for your help today!
Thanks!
Gotta run, hope to catch you later on down the road!

My pleasure!

59 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:21pm

re: #53 Truck Monkey

What's wrong the Wayne Brady? I know that Mrs. Obama is a WAB, what's up with Wayne? I've always enjoyed him.

S

60 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:26pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

Ummah, You're in Trouble!
Ummah Thurman
Ummah Believer
NOW Ummah Believer
Ummah Bear
Ummah Hog
UmmahInfidel
HummidaUmmahdoodah

That's it !

61 FreeIowa  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #39 OldLineTexan

It was as if a billion yard signs screamed, and then disappeared into garages and garbage piles.


LOL
I'll have to see if the goof down the road still has his eight foot wide RP sign in his front yard the next time I go by.

62 George guy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:38pm

I'd like to announce that I will be running for President in 2024, assuming that at such a time there is still a United States to be President thereof, and that it is still a republic that has an office of President.

63 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:01pm

re: #59 SusanL

What's wrong the Wayne Brady? I know that Mrs. Obama is a WAB, what's up with Wayne? I've always enjoyed him.

S

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does "WAB" mean?

64 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:07pm

re: #62 George guy


What's your platform?

65 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:09pm

re: #5 yitzy

Just picked up my Mets / Rangers tickets for this Sunday. Go METS!


Why would the Mets play the New York Rangers? What sport?

66 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:12pm

re: #59 SusanL

What's wrong the Wayne Brady? I know that Mrs. Obama is a WAB, what's up with Wayne? I've always enjoyed him.

S

White people love Wayne Brady 'cause he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Dave Chapelle

67 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:39pm

re: #63 goddessoftheclassroom

Mandy said it stands for whiney assed bitch. Sounds like it fits to me.

68 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:51pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

Dave!

69 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:24:56pm

re: #64 SusanL

What's your platform?

Hope! Change!

70 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:25:08pm

McCain does well when he's off script.

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:25:25pm

re: #67 SusanL

Mandy said it stands for whiney assed bitch. Sounds like it fits to me.

OH, I like that ! Very appropriate!

72 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:25:25pm

re: #69 wolfie

Again? Can't they come up with any thing new? :)

73 UncleSam  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:25:40pm

Man, that's hilarious!

Actually, I don't get it.
(Well, I sort of do, but I don't want to admit it..)

74 freetoken  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:25:50pm

Let's see, in other news:

Tornadoes still popping up crazy today in the midwest. Also, lots of flooding in Iowa and surrounding areas. Corn prices have been driven up...

Heck, food prices in general are really starting to be noticed by more and more people. It can't be blamed on any one thing, but Ben hasn't helped by pouring loads of $$$ onto the fire.

China's oil imports up by double digits in first 5 months

At a 12.7% YoY growth rate, forget about cheap oil coming your way soon... or ever.

75 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:15pm

re: #68 Kostya Lotz

Dave!

Dave ain't here, man!

76 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:17pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

McCain does well when he's off script.

Killgore - did you get your kitchen finished yet?

77 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:18pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

McCain does well when he's off script.

so doesn't Obama, if you like "errr ,,,, ummm,, ahhh,,, well,,, ummm,, errr,,, ahhh "

78 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:34pm

Tear Down This Wall !

DRINK !

79 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:46pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout
Actually better! Shows some passion and sincerity. I like it.

80 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:26:56pm

re: #36 mama winger

Picturesque? LOL. Well, boil me in oil.

81 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:27:20pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

No...no. I'm Dave, now open up I got the stuff man.

82 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:27:32pm

LOL at Popov Ummah Mao mau, Ummah Believer

We shall see. We shall see. ::puts fingertips together, mulls...

83 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:27:43pm

re: #76 SusanL

Yeah, the kitchen is finished (aside from a little touch up painting). It feels really good to have that over with.

84 ted  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:27:49pm

Good Grief: NY Times describes Hamas as a "local organization"

Disputed Blast in Gaza Kills 5

By ISABEL KERSHNER and TAGHREED EL-KHODARY

Published: June 13, 2008

JERUSALEM — A large explosion destroyed a residential building in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya on Thursday, killing five Palestinians, including a baby girl and four men known locally as Hamas militants.

Hamas, the Islamic group that controls Gaza, initially blamed the blast on an Israeli airstrike, and it unleashed a hail of rockets and mortar rounds at Israeli towns and villages around the Gaza periphery.

But the Israeli military vehemently denied any involvement in the incident, saying that it had not been active in the area at the time.

A spokesman for the Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, said later that the group would carry out an investigation, a tacit acknowledgment that the blast could have been caused by explosives being handled by militants inside the house.

In a speech marking the first anniversary of Hamas’s takeover of Gaza on Thursday evening, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniya, made no mention of the Beit Lahiya incident at all, strengthening the supposition that it was an internal affair.

Still, the chain of events underscored the volatility of the situation a day after Israel’s security cabinet voted to pursue efforts for an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire with Palestinian groups in Gaza.

The explosion, which occurred at about 1 p.m., completely destroyed the home of the Hamouda family and damaged several buildings nearby.

Dr. Muawiya Hassanein, director of emergency medical services in Gaza, identified those killed as Hassan Abu Shaqfa, Ashraf Mushtaha, Muhammad Maqdad and Ataya Hamouda, all men in their 20s, and Nur Hamouda, a 4-month-old girl.

Mr. Abu Shaqfa was known as a local field commander for the Qassam Brigades. The other three men were said to be members of the group.

Immediately after the blast, a Hamas official, Mushir al-Masri, told Hamas-run Al-Aksa television that “the enemy must pay the price. We will not remain passive after this horrible crime,” he said.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

85 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:27:52pm

re: #80 Cap'n DOC

Picturesque? LOL. Well, boil me in oil.

In time, infidel dog. In time.

/

86 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:11pm

re: #72 SusanL

Again? Can't they come up with any thing new? :)

Are you saying you hope they'll change ? ;)

87 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:11pm

re: #80 Cap'n DOC

Picturesque? LOL. Well, boil me in oil.

at $4.50 a gallon? Are you kidding me? Can't we just put matches in your hand and light that ?

88 DoubleU  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:37pm

Why declare a variable if you are not going to use it?

If $troll
$troll = "";


or
If $troll
unset($troll);

89 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:38pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

McCain does well when he's off script.

Gotta' have something in suit to go off script.

90 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:40pm

re: #81 Kostya Lotz

No...no. I'm Dave, now open up I got the stuff man.

HA!

91 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:42pm

re: #59 SusanL

What's wrong the Wayne Brady? I know that Mrs. Obama is a WAB, what's up with Wayne? I've always enjoyed him.

S

My point is that I think they are the same person.

92 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:03pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

at $4.50 a gallon? Are you kidding me? Can't we just put matches in your hand and light that ?

Perhaps he would be happy with canola or peanut oil.

93 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:07pm

re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids

Tear Down This Wall !

DRINK !

That's the CHANGE I'm talking about!

94 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:11pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

Okay. Crisco.

95 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:30pm

re: #90 OldLineTexan

"who is it?!"

96 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:43pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

White people love Wayne Brady 'cause he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Dave Chapelle

That was actually not a Dave Chapelle quote but it was on his show.

97 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:29:56pm

re: #95 Kostya Lotz

"who is it?!"

Uh...line!

98 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:30:06pm

re: #11 mama winger

I agree wholeheartedly. Ron Santo is the leader of this particular pack.

99 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:30:26pm

re: #96 Truck Monkey

That was actually not a Dave Chapelle quote but it was on his show.

Yeah, that's where I heard it. Who said it?

100 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:30:46pm

Wayne Brady,, he was the 7th child on the Brady Bunch,, the one they never talked about !

Speaking of which ( The Brady Bunch) wasn't the dad an ARCHITECT? So tell me why they had 3 adults, 6 kids and only 4 bedrooms !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

101 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:30:52pm

re: #97 OldLineTexan

"Think Blind Mellon Chitlin'"

good smokes......

102 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:31:14pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

and he was GAY!

103 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:31:19pm

re: #98 StPatrick

I agree wholeheartedly. Ron Santo is the leader of this particular pack.

Hall of Fame. He needs to be there.

104 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:31:27pm

re: #89 jcm

Gotta' have something in suit to go off script.

He seems to be able to think on his feet, unlike his opponent.

At least if he wins, we know that there will be no "show trials", pogroms and re-education camps.

Of course, I would give just about anything to see Nancy Pelosi on trial for treason. I know, it ain't gonna happen, but a girl can dream can't she?

105 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:31:45pm

re: #99 OldLineTexan

Yeah, that's where I heard it. Who said it?

I'll look it up and get back to you.

106 SusanL  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:04pm

re: #91 Truck Monkey

Wayne Brady is much better looking.

S :)

107 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:04pm

re: #84 ted


Good Grief: NY Times describes Hamas as a "local organization"

Well, sure. I mean, Lion's Club, Rotarians, Hamas... you know.

108 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:14pm

The stock market is driving up the price of oil?

109 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:17pm

re: #98 StPatrick

Ron Santo? I think it should be Mon Santo. Think green.

110 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:20pm

re: #104 SusanL

but a girl can dream can't she?

No, I think that's a hate crime now.

111 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:26pm

re: #104 SusanL


Of course, I would give just about anything to see Nancy Pelosi on trial for treason. I know, it ain't gonna happen, but a girl can dream can't she?

I'd rather see her retire in disgrace.

112 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:36pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Wayne Brady,, he was the 7th child on the Brady Bunch,, the one they never talked about !

Speaking of which ( The Brady Bunch) wasn't the dad an ARCHITECT? So tell me why they had 3 adults, 6 kids and only 4 bedrooms !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

And he was gay!

113 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:32:49pm

re: #106 SusanL

that's 'cause he's a MAN, baby!

114 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:33:49pm

Hamas investigation

Achmed: What happened?
Machmoud: What happened? Does it matter, Blame Israel

Official Hamas statement:Our investigation shows the Zionist entity destroyed property and spilled the taboo blood of Palestinians

115 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:33:51pm

re: #112 Truck Monkey

beat ya, see #102

116 stuck in california  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:11pm

Can the women sitting behind McCain on Fox be any less attractive?

117 freetoken  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:17pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Heck, in today's market... if Killgore Trout sneezes the price of oil will probably rise!

118 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:26pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The stock market is driving up the price of oil?

And he was gay!

What?

119 ted  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:31pm

re: #107 Occasional Reader

Well, sure. I mean, Lion's Club, Rotarians, Hamas... you know.

Mindblowing.

120 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #107 Occasional Reader

Well, sure. I mean, Lion's Club, Rotarians, Hamas... you know.

Yeah, they meet the 2nd Tuesday and 4th Thursday at the Gaza City Applebees

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:34:59pm

re: #117 freetoken

Ah-chooo!
/Sorry about that.

122 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:35:12pm

re: #116 stuck in california

Can the women sitting behind McCain on Fox be any less attractive?

What does that have to do with the rising price of gay oil?

123 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:35:13pm

I'm too late for the last thread, but I get the distinct impression that since BHO is all over the map in his proclimations, he's probabaly pulling another "Canada" and telling CAIR to shush until after the election when he really won't mean what he says when campaigning.

124 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:35:16pm

re: #109 Cap'n DOC

Hey, I'm a chemist. Monsanto rules.

125 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:35:29pm

re: #117 freetoken

I like your avatar - is it new?

126 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:35:48pm

re: #101 Kostya Lotz

Hey, Blind Baby, what's a ding-dong?

127 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:36:05pm

re: #122 OldLineTexan

What does that have to do with the rising price of gay oil?

I could have you arrested for that homophobic remark.

128 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:36:18pm

re: #120 madisonsfriend

And eat BabyBackRibs. PORK! It's what's for dinner!

129 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:36:24pm

re: #84 ted


Know locally as Hamas Militants- known here as scumbag terrorists

130 missouri boy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:00pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The stock market is driving up the price of oil?

Hi Killgore...I recently read where 87% of the move in the price of oil can be explained by the increase in money supply. The Fed has been printing dollars like 2 drunk monkeys going at it.

131 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:20pm

re: #118 Occasional Reader

c'mon, we're all gay....
no...no.. we're all DEVO.

Yeah that's it. We're all DEVO.

132 kywrite  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:22pm

re: #38 sadhu

He's on fire. This is such a great forum for him. No wonder Obama bailed.

Did y'all hear the beginning, when he said he would block out a day every week and invited Obama to join him for a town hall meeting? Hee! If he keeps hammering on that, it'll start hitting the polls. If Obama shows up, he'll take a hit too. Win-win.

133 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:23pm

re: #116 stuck in california
Really? I hadn't noticed. I see young guys in khaki shorts.

134 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:31pm

re: #125 mama winger

I like Your icon!
Beautiful puppy! :)

135 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:33pm

Get on board! We are the change we've been waiting for!

/as long as you don't own a house, want to keep your money, like superpower status, and want to surrender influence with all the tinpot 3rd worlders by "talking" with them

136 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:36pm

re: #130 missouri boy

Hi Killgore...I recently read where 87% of the move in the price of oil can be explained by the increase in money supply. The Fed has been printing dollars like 2 drunk monkeys going at it.

Speaking of which I need more sangria.

137 madisonsfriend  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:38pm

...

138 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:37:48pm

Hemispheric free trade agreement? That sounds nice.

139 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:38:04pm

re: #124 StPatrick

Well - and GREEN besides.

140 CommonCents  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:38:06pm

Ahhh... php code.

Now your speaking my language!

141 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:38:14pm

re: #126 Taqyia2Me

I think he's gonna show ya... (zipper sound and female screams)

142 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:38:18pm

re: #128 Cap'n DOC

And eat BabyBackRibs. PORK! It's what's for dinner!

Not for me! I love ribs but I have to eat the leanest cuts of pork.
Quadruple bypasses in 2004.

143 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:38:58pm

re: #130 missouri boy


Hi Killgore...I recently read where 87% of the move in the price of oil can be explained by the increase in money supply.


I hadn't heard that before. I have heard that when the fed reduces interest rates the dollar drops. Weaker dollars buy less oil.

144 CommonCents  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:39:37pm

Anyone catching McCain looking like a genius? /sarc

"If there is any speculation going on, we need an investigation".

Come on John, we need better than that. Since when is speculation illegal? Isn't every trade in every market speculation?

145 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:39:42pm

re: #142 HDrepub

You're still riding, aintcha?

146 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:39:48pm

re: #134 MigueldowninMexico

I like Your icon!
Beautiful puppy! :)

Miguel Miguel ! How are you my friend! ?

Thank you - he is the pound puppy I adopted after my beloved greyhound died last month of bone cancer. He has brought happiness back into my home.

AS to avatars - yours changed too ! You used to have the Archangel and now you have a cat. I don't know which one has the more intense gaze :)

147 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:39:48pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

weaker dollars also increase the purchase of "hard" commodities, of which oil is one

148 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:39:49pm

btw some on the left think that moving the dnc to chicago will get it away from "corruption"
Heh

149 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:40:12pm

re: #142 HDrepub

Not for me! I love ribs but I have to eat the leanest cuts of pork.
Quadruple bypasses in 2004.

{HDrepub} Sorry to read that.
May you be healthy from now on, with the blessing of God.

150 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:40:36pm

re: #145 Cap'n DOC

You're still riding, aintcha?

Better than ever! Instead of 500 miles a day I can now do 650 LOL.

151 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:41:14pm

re: #148 Typicalwhitey

btw some on the left think that moving the dnc to chicago will get it away from "corruption"
Heh

heh heh heh

fer cryin out loud - Chicago and corruption are kissing cousins.

152 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:17pm

re: #151 mama winger

I used to live there - they're not cousins, they're one and the same. Chicago is all machine politics.

153 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:19pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the kitchen is finished (aside from a little touch up painting). It feels really good to have that over with.

Did you contract for the work or did you DIY? If you contracted, how was your experience? I'm not looking to remodel - just bought a new home 2 yrs ago, but I'm in the construction biz and we live on customer satisfaction surveys. I like to hear people's experiences.

154 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:22pm

re: #149 MigueldowninMexico

{HDrepub} Sorry to read that.
May you be healthy from now on, with the blessing of God.

Thanks Miguel in Mexico, and I am enjoying good health now. My cardiologist said he was proud of me and keep up the good work.

155 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:29pm

At least he (McCain) understands coorporate taxes and their affect on jobs

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:36pm
157 Bosk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:42:40pm

re: #151 mama winger

Kinda like Democrat and ethics.

158 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:22pm

re: #152 StPatrick

I used to live there - they're not cousins, they're one and the same. Chicago is all machine politics.

Ain't it the truth. For this reason ,and the fact that Obama's behind- the- scenes operatives OWN Chicago, they are moving the heist-planning there.

159 FreeIowa  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:40pm

FYI: Anyone traveling through Iowa tomorrow, IDOT is expecting the Cedar River to wash over Interstate 80 at approximately mile post 266, requiring it's closure and detour sometime midday tomorrow.

160 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:41pm

Iranian Simulation

June 12, 2008: Iranian engineers have created a computer simulator for its F-4 fighter pilots. Iran bought 225 F-4 Phantom jets in the 1970s, and several dozen are still operational. Spare parts are obtained via a smuggling network, with some of the less complex parts manufactured inside Iran.

Yeah, they bought an Xbox360 on Ebay.

161 kywrite  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:46pm

re: #91 Truck Monkey

My point is that I think they are the same person.

My Wayne Brady would never marry that man! Ew.

(have you seen his wife? she is totally hot and I say that as a chick.)

162 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:53pm

re: #141 Kostya Lotz

Damn! You could jump rope with that thing!

163 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:43:55pm

re: #146 mama winger

Miguel Miguel ! How are you my friend! ?

Thank you - he is the pound puppy I adopted after my beloved greyhound died last month of bone cancer. He has brought happiness back into my home.

AS to avatars - yours changed too ! You used to have the Archangel and now you have a cat. I don't know which one has the more intense gaze :)

My cat is wild! lol And on top of that, Killian already scolded me for lack of focus lol. (Guess I'll change the icon soon).

Mama, I understand you so well... Dogs for me are almost like my own children, and one of them departing hurts a lot. But a new puppy can be fantastic to heal! They are so wonderful and lovingful, they really help you get over it.

{Mama} ;)

164 missouri boy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:44:01pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Greenspan quit looking at M3 money supply in 1998 because it was rising at about 20% per year......it has been ever since and continues to do so....Also, have you seen the billions the Fed is pouring into the banks to bail them out?...Can you say HYPER-INFLATION?

165 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:44:10pm

re: #127 mama winger

Please, please arrest me, then you can be the bad bad jail warden, and I'll be the simpering faye savant....wait you're a girl!

166 StPatrick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:44:22pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

could be a good handle...

Ummah gettin tired of this
Where Ummah sandals?

167 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:44:34pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

Half the time when I read you, I am also groaning. Coincidence? Or cruel cruel pun-related evil?

168 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:44:56pm
169 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:05pm

re: #154 HDrepub

Thanks Miguel in Mexico, and I am enjoying good health now. My cardiologist said he was proud of me and keep up the good work.


Do so, indeed!
Congratulations for those news ;)

170 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:21pm

re: #163 MigueldowninMexico

Someday Miguel, you and I will meet. And we will sing together of the glories of the Lord.

171 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:31pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

You'd think the Muslims would try to sweeten their image by producing at least something useful and pleasant. Like maybe little sweets in the shape of burkha'd figures, marketed as Ummi Bears.

Well....baklava IS pretty darn good. Actually, middle eastern food in general is wonderful.

172 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:46pm
173 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:47pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

You'd think the Muslims would try to sweeten their image by producing at least something useful and pleasant. Like maybe little sweets in the shape of burkha'd figures, marketed as Ummi Bears.

ROFL!

So true...

174 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:45:49pm

re: #134 MigueldowninMexico

{MigueldowninMexico}

How wonderful to hear from you!

175 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:05pm

Okay Kiddies. I have to head home, get me some Irish Ale and watch the Celtics go up 3-1 over the Fakers,.,, umm,,, oooopss.,. LAKERS

BEAT L.A.,,,BEAT L.A ,,,, BEAT L.A.,,,,,

176 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:19pm

re: #162 Taqyia2Me

Big Bamboo was an awesome album.
First time I heard it I was sober and peed my pants.

177 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:19pm

re: #165 Kostya Lotz

Please, please arrest me, then you can be the bad bad jail warden, and I'll be the simpering faye savant....wait you're a girl!

I used to be a girl - now I am just an old lady. ha

178 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:24pm

re: #151 mama winger

heh heh heh

fer cryin out loud - Chicago and corruption are kissing cousins.


I know!


Teh Schtoopid

Snippet:

This is excellent news, folks! Remove the Inside the Beltway, DLC, and DINO influence is key here. Obama's campaign has been a model of discipline, unity, and efficiency.* Finally! A nominee that isn't afraid to take charge. I'm REALLY liking this new face of the Democratic Party.


*Except for that whole webpage thingy, wright, pfliger, johnson etc etc
Bwahahahah

179 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:29pm

re: #170 mama winger

Someday Miguel, you and I will meet. And we will sing together of the glories of the Lord.

Nothing would be more pleasant to me! :)

God bless you mama!

180 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:46:43pm

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you'd groan used to it.

You need to go to the naughty chair for a bit.

181 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:47:33pm

re: #179 MigueldowninMexico

Nothing would be more pleasant to me! :)

God bless you mama!

We will do it - in this life or the next. Look for me - I will be the old lady with dog hair all over her, clinging to my gun and my bible. haha

182 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:48:26pm

re: #181 mama winger

We will do it - in this life or the next. Look for me - I will be the old lady with dog hair all over her, clinging to my gun and my bible. haha

May I suggest electolosys,,, or at least a nice sweater ?

183 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:48:28pm

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

{MigueldowninMexico}

How wonderful to hear from you!

Why, so kind of you, same here {Goddess}!
How are the Visigoths doing? LOL

184 sirusstudent  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:48:59pm

Just wondering about that supposed Obama birth cert. Back then a black persons race would have been Negro, not African. It seems fake to me.

185 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:49:12pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

Okay Kiddies. I have to head home, get me some Irish Ale and watch the Celtics go up 3-1 over the Fakers,.,, umm,,, oooopss.,. LAKERS

BEAT L.A.,,,BEAT L.A ,,,, BEAT L.A.,,,,,

"Fakers." How original. That term was bandied about, what.....8 championship rings ago!

186 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:49:19pm

re: #153 Russkilitlover

Did you contract for the work or did you DIY? If you contracted, how was your experience? I'm not looking to remodel - just bought a new home 2 yrs ago, but I'm in the construction biz and we live on customer satisfaction surveys. I like to hear people's experiences.

I contracted though Home Depot. The workmen were all really good but there were a lot of layers of communication and it was really easy for things to get overlooked, forgotten, etc and it was very expensive. If I had it all to do over again I'd just get a regular contractor. My experience with contractors has been pretty good and the communication and organization was much better that dealing with home depot.

187 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:49:30pm

re: #160 SasquatchOnSteroids

Iranian Simulation

Yeah, they bought an Xbox360 on Ebay.

We have the same model the Iranians do.
We call 'em QF-4B, supersonic maneuvering target aircraft.

188 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:49:46pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

May I suggest electolosys,,, or at least a nice sweater ?

I could probably make a couple of sweaters a year with the pet hair I collect on myself. Maybe I could look into selling them on Ebay.

189 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:49:57pm

re: #181 mama winger

We will do it - in this life or the next. Look for me - I will be the old lady with dog hair all over her, clinging to my gun and my bible. haha

Hahahahaha.

Great image! Hahahaha.

Though I suspect there will be quite a few old dadies like that!

You'll be a typical saint ;)

190 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:50:10pm
191 Rich7041  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:50:33pm

Oh brother:

ABC News: Is this the last century of civilization?

192 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:06pm

re: #189 MigueldowninMexico

Yes - I imagine there might be a lot of us like that. I better include a drink in my hand :)

193 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:08pm

re: #164 missouri boy

Greenspan quit looking at M3 money supply in 1998 because it was rising at about 20% per year......it has been ever since and continues to do so....Also, have you seen the billions the Fed is pouring into the banks to bail them out?...Can you say HYPER-INFLATION?

Yep.

Y'know what it is - say inflation goes up 200% over the next year. Real estate prices double! Interest rates double, too, but adjustable mortgage payments usually have a much lower cap! Problem solved!

Every CDO holder eats it, everyone holding bonds eats it - including the Saudis and Chinese. What if they bail? Well, they can't.

Pretty much what it looks like to me.

But y'know what, this ONLY works with BIG inflation, a little inflation doesn't cut it. Can't inflate our way to lower gas prices, doesn't work like that oil is a real commodity.

I sure hope I'm wrong.

194 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:11pm

re: #184 sirusstudent

Just wondering about that supposed Obama birth cert. Back then a black persons race would have been Negro, not African. It seems fake to me.

That is true. I'm old enough to remember ;)

195 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:22pm

re: #184 sirusstudent

Just wondering about that supposed Obama birth cert. Back then a black persons race would have been Negro, not African. It seems fake to me.

What I can' t figure out is why release it through KOS? Not the MSM?

196 kywrite  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:31pm

re: #184 sirusstudent

Just wondering about that supposed Obama birth cert. Back then a black persons race would have been Negro, not African. It seems fake to me.

Havaii lets you write whatever you want on the cert. You might be able to get away with Klingon. The one I saw earlier had one parent down as German, English, and a couple other things, the mom as Japanese.

197 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:51:35pm

gotta go - phone call - bbl

198 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:52:07pm

re: #183 MigueldowninMexico

Why, so kind of you, same here {Goddess}!
How are the Visigoths doing? LOL

I've sent them back to the hinterlands for the the summer. I miss them already.

199 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:52:13pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I've heard that several times about HD. Hmmm....maybe there's an opportunity there for an executive level customer experience manager!

200 freetoken  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:52:14pm

re: #147 StPatrick

Nevertheless, "87%" sounds like too much attribution to the cheapening of the dollar.

Oil is up (over the last 6 years) in all currencies, and also compared to gold (I believer the gold:oil ratio hit a new low this week.)

201 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:52:18pm

re: #188 mama winger

I could probably make a couple of sweaters a year with the pet hair I collect on myself. Maybe I could look into selling them on Ebay.

I've already filled a dozen pillows with it...

j/k

202 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:52:25pm

re: #195 Yankee Division Son

What I can' t figure out is why release it through KOS? Not the MSM?

Because kos has his head so far up the obambi's nether regions, that he accidentally stumbled upon it.

203 Tamron  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:53:02pm

Charles, as others have recently stated, I'm also becoming addicted to the SPY feature which you've so thoughtfully added for our entertainment.

I keep one browser open in the background watching the SPY messages (with about 3 inches of screen devoted to it), and also keep another one open in the foreground to cruise around the threads. Great combo.

Five stars to you!
.

204 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:53:09pm

re: #187 jcm

We have the same model the Iranians do.
We call 'em QF-4B, supersonic maneuvering target aircraft.

Hey, you seem to know, maybe you can answer me a question.
IIRC, during the the first gulf war, Saddam sent some of his Mirage jets to Iran. Whatever happened to those, or did it not even happen ?

205 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:53:20pm

re: #197 mama winger

gotta go - phone call - bbl

I hope it's from Heavens ;)

206 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:53:33pm

Being in Illinois and noting the DNC's move to Chicago at their presidential candidate's request, one question (that clearly won't be asked):
Barack Obama, do you plan, if elected, to follow your fellow traveler Gov Milorad 'Rod' Blagojevich's lead and refuse to move into the White House as he has refused to move into the governor's mansion here upon his election?

207 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:53:48pm

re: #200 freetoken

Oil is up (over the last 6 years) in all currencies, and also compared to gold (I believer the gold:oil ratio hit a new low this week.)

Maybe that's just progress, but in the past it has always corrected, in this case gold would go up. What with the Chinese stock market getting killed, odd the price of gold hasn't already soared there.

208 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:54:12pm

re: #198 goddessoftheclassroom

I've sent them back to the hinterlands for the the summer. I miss them already.

That's it. Can't live with them, can't live without them lol

I remember my times as a teacher hahaha.

209 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:54:58pm

re: #195 Yankee Division Son

What I can' t figure out is why release it through KOS? Not the MSM?

Koss is MSM!
Main Socialist Media!

210 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:56:05pm

re: #200 freetoken

I just noticed your avitar has a kinda "Bob" thing going on...Creepy-cool.

211 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:56:33pm

re: #99 OldLineTexan

Yeah, that's where I heard it. Who said it?

Paul Mooney. Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a bitch?

another great line from the Wayne Brady/Dave Chapelle skit.

212 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:57:22pm

re: #204 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey, you seem to know, maybe you can answer me a question.
IIRC, during the the first gulf war, Saddam sent some of his Mirage jets to Iran. Whatever happened to those, or did it not even happen ?

The Iranians keep 'em, I remember that...
Flight status not sure.

213 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:58:40pm

re: #212 jcm

The Iranians keep 'em, I remember that...
Flight status not sure.

Saddam sent ALL his aircraft over there.

The Iranians returned a big middle finger to him LOL

Talk about stupid moves.

214 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:00:23pm

re: #212 jcm

The Iranians keep 'em, I remember that...
Flight status not sure.

Thanks.

215 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:00:52pm

I would've posted earlier, but I'm an openthreadophobe.

216 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

I would've posted earlier, but I'm an openthreadophobe.

Me three!

217 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:02:41pm

As long as obamaphobia doesn't begin to spread all over the land...

218 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:03:47pm

"I'm an obamaphobic and I didn't know it"

219 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:04:00pm

re: #29 Taqiyyotomist

I like Ummah's Bane.

It reminds me of Lord Foul's Bane... Wow, it's been a long time since I read those books. Maybe it's time to borrow them again from the baby brother.

220 freetoken  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:06:26pm

re: #210 Kostya Lotz

You mean this guy?

221 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:07:07pm

re: #195 Yankee Division Son

What I can' t figure out is why release it through KOS? Not the MSM?

It just doesn't make sense to me, for a number of reasons.

Why pick a partisan political blog and not the MSM? Kos doesn't bring alto of credibility to the table, let alone most/many people have never heard of it. (yes, it's a popular blog, but how many Mr./Mrs. average Americans know of it)

If not the MSM, he has his own website and blog, as we've seen. Why not just post it there? I looked around on his site, not even a mention of it that I found. Website security concerns?

222 Prikolno  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:07:52pm

I wonder if Charles will ever make this website script open source.

223 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:08:33pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Good, because the job of President is way off-script.

224 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:08:37pm

re: #222 Prikolno

I wonder if Charles will ever make this website script open source.

Mañana.

225 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:08:56pm

Apparently you can't melt gold with a propane torch.

226 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:09:41pm

re: #224 MigueldowninMexico

Mañana.

Is that the literal translation... tomorrow,
or the functional translation... not today?
;-P

227 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:10:35pm

re: #206 Taqyia2Me

Being in Illinois and noting the DNC's move to Chicago at their presidential candidate's request, one question (that clearly won't be asked):
Barack Obama, do you plan, if elected, to follow your fellow traveler Gov Milorad 'Rod' Blagojevich's lead and refuse to move into the White House as he has refused to move into the governor's mansion here upon his election?

When I heard the DNC was moving to Chicago (Barack has also graciously allowed Dean to keep his job - since when the the potential nominee become the dictator?) my response was "Does he plan to move the White House to Chicago too?

The national committees have historically been in DC because that is the "neutral" seat of the Federal government, where no one state holds power. The whole thing has a very bad smell to it to me. And who, BTW, is paying for the move?

228 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:10:55pm

re: #226 jcm

Is that the literal translation... tomorrow,
or the functional translation... not today?
;-P

It means tomorrow, literally, but the Mexican mañana is something like "yeah sure, sit down to wait, or you'll be pretty tired"

229 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:12:13pm

re: #221 Yankee Division Son

It just doesn't make sense to me, for a number of reasons.

Why pick a partisan political blog and not the MSM? Kos doesn't bring alto of credibility to the table, let alone most/many people have never heard of it. (yes, it's a popular blog, but how many Mr./Mrs. average Americans know of it)

If not the MSM, he has his own website and blog, as we've seen. Why not just post it there? I looked around on his site, not even a mention of it that I found. Website security concerns?

I figured this out while I was out pulling weeds. If the "birth certificate" is accepted and the matter swept under the rug, it is all good. If it isn't accepted (and it shouldn't be) and turns out to be fake, then Obama is completely in the clear to heave Markos right straight under the bus with Grandma and everyone else. "Plausible deniability."

230 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:12:47pm

re: #227 galloping granny

They used U Haul...

231 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:12:49pm

re: #228 MigueldowninMexico

It means tomorrow, literally, but the Mexican mañana is something like "yeah sure, sit down to wait, or you'll be pretty tired"

In Persian there's the word Allon, literal translation - right away, right now, functionally it means - not now.

232 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:12:52pm

We now have some apologists for fascism showing up in the "White Supremacists" thread.

233 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:12:53pm

re: #228 MigueldowninMexico

It means tomorrow, literally, but the Mexican mañana is something like "yeah sure, sit down to wait, or you'll be pretty tired"

Miguel - you are here in broad daylight! Hola!

234 BGOH  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:02pm

I rarely venture into these open threads, so forgive me if I am abusing decorum, but I feel compelled to say this:

Why does Bill O'Reilly discuss economic issues in public? He is a great and compelling broadcaster and good at what he does, but every time he opens his trap and tries to discuss matters economic he just sounds like a bumbling idiot. Someone like him, with his viewership, could do a lot to rally this nation around the very sensible idea of ACTUALLY DRILLING OUR OWN OIL, but instead he is going off on these platitudinous tangents about the evils of the speculation market, and "big oil" being out to "screw the little guy."

It's beginning to make me sick.

235 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:11pm

And two long-time LGF posters are revealing themselves.

236 maddogg  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:15pm

O'Reilly is reporting that the Chief Justice of the 9th circuit court of appeals in California has been caught with pornography on his computer! He will cover it after the current break.

237 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:29pm

re: #229 galloping granny

I like the last two words.

238 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:37pm

re: #230 MigueldowninMexico

They used U Haul...

It ain't cheap anymore. A "day" is four hours and it is darned near a buck a mile, you buy the gas.

239 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:41pm

re: #231 jcm

In Persian there's the word Allon, literal translation - right away, right now, functionally it means - not now.

That's close then !

240 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:13:55pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Wayne Brady,, he was the 7th child on the Brady Bunch,, the one they never talked about !

Speaking of which ( The Brady Bunch) wasn't the dad an ARCHITECT? So tell me why they had 3 adults, 6 kids and only 4 bedrooms !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

But don't you remember that time that Greg got that groovy room in the attic?

241 Prikolno  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:14:43pm

Obama's sudden success reminds me of that freak in Jericho [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] . The senator that was ressponsible for the nuclear attack, in order to get the presidential seat.

242 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:14:44pm

re: #232 Charles

And that thread would be...

243 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:00pm

re: #233 galloping granny

Miguel - you are here in broad daylight! Hola!

I figured that if garlic doesn't scare me anymore, I could perhaps do in broad daylight!

Hola Granny! :)

244 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:01pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

JPost: GOP Senses opportunity to finally get those Jewish votes!

245 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:07pm

re: #181 mama winger

We will do it - in this life or the next. Look for me - I will be the old lady with dog hair all over her, clinging to my gun and my bible. haha

Well, I hope that doesn't mean you won't refuse a couple rounds of Pacifico or maybe Dos Equis (spelling?) It's hot today in Northern California, so I can only imagine what sun is doing to assist the brewers down your way.

246 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:07pm

re: #237 Cap'n DOC

I like the last two words.

Yeah, I liked those words Cap'n. I always have gotten some of my very best insight while doing mindless things or while I am "sound asleep."

247 Asher Abrams  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:28pm

Beware the JUIF!

248 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:31pm

re: #235 Charles

And two long-time LGF posters are revealing themselves.

Names, names! lol

249 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:44pm

re: #232 Charles

We now have some apologists for fascism showing up in the "White Supremacists" thread.

Which thread? I just glanced back, but I'm not sure which one you mean.

How disappointing (about the Lizards, I mean).

250 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:49pm

In fact, two long-time LGF posters are going to lose their accounts right now. I've had it with sneaky racist bastards.

251 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:50pm

re: #229 galloping granny

I figured this out while I was out pulling weeds. If the "birth certificate" is accepted and the matter swept under the rug, it is all good. If it isn't accepted (and it shouldn't be) and turns out to be fake, then Obama is completely in the clear to heave Markos right straight under the bus with Grandma and everyone else. "Plausible deniability."

Ya know, you might be on to something there.

252 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:15:54pm

re: #246 galloping granny

I keep a pen and paper beside my bed. I do some of my best thinking while sleeping.

253 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:16:18pm

re: #230 MigueldowninMexico

They used U Haul...

Miguel....Obambi only uses a BUS....kills two birds with one stone that way.

254 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:16:18pm

re: #229 galloping granny

I figured this out while I was out pulling weeds. If the "birth certificate" is accepted and the matter swept under the rug, it is all good. If it isn't accepted (and it shouldn't be) and turns out to be fake, then Obama is completely in the clear to heave Markos right straight under the bus with Grandma and everyone else. "Plausible deniability."

They've posted the same at barry's website...see this.

255 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:16:41pm

re: #238 galloping granny

It ain't cheap anymore. A "day" is four hours and it is darned near a buck a mile, you buy the gas.

Wow! I was living in the 80's in the US.
I won't tell you the prices, so you won't feel bad ;)

256 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:16:48pm

re: #250 Charles

Let us peak.

257 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:17:00pm

re: #241 Prikolno

Obama's sudden success reminds me of that freak in Jericho [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] . The senator that was ressponsible for the nuclear attack, in order to get the presidential seat.

I am currently reading Kathy Reichs' Death Du Jour, which is about a cult. The discussion with the specialist our heroine is having about cults had my hair standing on end going "yup, check, I see that, yup, check, check."

258 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:17:12pm

I don't see any "White Supremest" thread?
signed,
clueless

259 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:03pm

re: #245 ContraJihadi

Well, I hope that doesn't mean you won't refuse a couple rounds of Pacifico or maybe Dos Equis (spelling?) It's hot today in Northern California, so I can only imagine what sun is doing to assist the brewers down your way.

Dos equis, yes. Two X's. The bottle has the XX on it ;)

260 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:13pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

261 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:31pm

I found it!

Youtube Video

certainly not suitable for the younger set.

Wayne Brady/Michelle Obama. You make the call.

262 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:36pm

'Q' is out of here. I just looked at the links he's been posting, and the barely disguised racism is sickening.

263 Meremortal  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:43pm

I wanna watch! Where's the hammer coming down at?

264 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:18:53pm

re: #253 Typicalwhitey

Miguel....Obambi only uses a BUS....kills two birds with one stone that way.

That is right!
Obama is soooooooo smart!

/Looks in awe and utter admiration!
;)

265 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:02pm

Oh, that was yesterday. In blog time, that's like a month ago.

266 Prikolno  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:05pm

re: #229 galloping granny

I figured this out while I was out pulling weeds. If the "birth certificate" is accepted and the matter swept under the rug, it is all good. If it isn't accepted (and it shouldn't be) and turns out to be fake, then Obama is completely in the clear to heave Markos right straight under the bus with Grandma and everyone else. "Plausible deniability."

Actually it is on their website, [Link: my.barackobama.com...]

267 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:10pm

re: #252 Cap'n DOC

I keep a pen and paper beside my bed. I do some of my best thinking while sleeping.

I would but I never can wake up and remember it. I have "written" entire theses and speeches while I "slept" though and gotten up and thrown them on paper as fast as I could type.

268 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:16pm

re: #258 EC Marm

I don't see any "White Supremest" thread?
signed,
clueless

White Supremacists for Obama. A few back.

269 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:29pm

re: #247 Asher Abrams

Please. I've spent a good deal of time studying that site, and the people behind it are - not good. Foul mouthed (on other blogs) and downright wrong. Look at the banner - A Crescent and a Peace symbol. Does that make awholelotta sense to you?

270 Meremortal  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:33pm

Ooh, OK, I see it.

271 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:53pm

re: #266 Prikolno

Actually it is on their website, [Link: my.barackobama.com...]

Wasn't earlier.

272 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:19:53pm

I'm also going to delete every link he has posted.

273 Millertime33  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:20:24pm

re: #17 uncle_monkey

I like it...

Since we are also looking at a sequel to Carter, a "II" themed movie might be appropriate...

274 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:20:29pm

Looks like I am the meat (#261) in a Charles sandwich (#260 and #262)

275 kay1212  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:20:35pm

re: #200 freetoken

Nevertheless, "87%" sounds like too much attribution to the cheapening of the dollar.

Oil is up (over the last 6 years) in all currencies, and also compared to gold (I believer the gold:oil ratio hit a new low this week.)


Yes, it's an energy shortage. Coal and nat gas are up more too.

The US needs to drill its own reserves. Additionally, the US has 400 years worth of coal, coal that the Chinese desperately want, that it nees to be allowed to use. Finally, the US needs nuclear energy. Remember, nuclear energy has killed less people in the US than Teddy Kennedy.

I'm tired of the Democrats refusing to allow energy production and development in this country. The Middle East now has reportedly $3 TRILLION of our money. The entire market cap of all US stocks in only about $14 trillion.

276 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:21:11pm

re: #260 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thank you, Charles. I didn't realize threads kept going so long.

277 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:21:48pm

re: #266 Prikolno

Actually it is on their website, [Link: my.barackobama.com...]

And I still want to see the certified long form copy. This one with the 1997 date on the back of a document that was not printed until after it was revised in November of 2001 just doesn't cut it.

278 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #262 Charles

'Q' is out of here. I just looked at the links he's been posting, and the barely disguised racism is sickening.

Q?
I've never seen that guy/gal commenting.
I don't even remember that nick.

But you're the best webmaster there is Charles, ;)

279 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:22:44pm

re: #278 MigueldowninMexico

Q?
I've never seen that guy/gal commenting.
I don't even remember that nick.

But you're the best webmaster there is Charles, ;)

I'm going to "echo" that, especially for keeping an eye on old threads.

280 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:22:53pm

re: #278 MigueldowninMexico

Q?
I've never seen that guy/gal commenting.
I don't even remember that nick.

But you're the best webmaster there is Charles, ;)

I do but very vaguely from quite some while ago.

281 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:23:05pm

re: #278 MigueldowninMexico

Q?
I've never seen that guy/gal commenting.
I don't even remember that nick.

But you're the best webmaster there is Charles, ;)

No kidding, if Q were on kos he would be a front pager by now.
Kudo's to you Charles.
Man, I LOVE this site.

282 BGOH  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:23:08pm

re: #262 Charles

'Q' is out of here. I just looked at the links he's been posting, and the barely disguised racism is sickening.

Good for you, Charles. I sincerely applaud your stance against racism in any and all of it's forms. It certainly makes all of the idiotic smears levied against you around the lefty blogosphere seem very, very stupid.

283 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:23:54pm

re: #276 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you, Charles. I didn't realize threads kept going so long.

Several nics we don't see often on the active threads also.

284 somaking  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:24:24pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

That would be ?

285 Racer X  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:24:39pm

re: #275 kay1212

Remember, nuclear energy has killed less people in the US than Teddy Kennedy.

LOL!

True.

286 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:25:08pm

re: #279 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm going to "echo" that, especially for keeping an eye on old threads.

On everything. An amazing control that I can hardly believe.

287 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:25:10pm

re: #259 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I love the stuff, even if I have trouble with the spelling. It seems to show more lively hops and more lingering malt than Pacifico, although Pacifico can be very refreshing when the sun (at least this Alta California sun) is especially fierce. .

288 RTLM  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:26:03pm

Hamas work accident flattens house/kills 7 terrorists - Hamas blames Israel and launches 50 rockets and mortars. Then admits work accident. (after Israel carries out air strikes)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

The statement was taken as a Hamas acknowledgment that the blast was probably accidental, not an Israeli attack. Dozens of militants have been killed while handing explosives in recent years.

Another failed truce.

289 asher abrams  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:26:11pm

#include < stdio.h>
int main (void)
{
//time to get a beer
getchar();
return 0;
}

290 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:26:38pm

Charles, I still cannot realiably pause the spy. Maybe it has something to do with minimizing and restoring the window? The On checkbox seems to work OK when the spy first opens, but when I come back to it after this and that, it seems to ignore the check, I've turned it back on, waited, and then turned it off, but it keeps spying anyway, over ten, twenty, more seconds.

291 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:26:46pm

re: #269 Cap'n DOC

. Look at the banner - A Crescent and a Peace symbol.

Oy Vey! Sounds like a honey-trap for Obamatons.

292 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:27:13pm

re: #288 RTLM

Hamas work accident flattens house/kills 7 terrorists - Hamas blames Israel and launches 50 rockets and mortars. Then admits work accident. (after Israel carries out air strikes)
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]


Another failed truce.

Hamas didn't want a truce. They have pulled something extremely similar on the eve of every truce that I can remember.

293 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:27:32pm

re: #278 MigueldowninMexico

Q?
I've never seen that guy/gal commenting.
I don't even remember that nick.

He's been here for years. I wish I'd figured out what he was about sooner.

294 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:27:51pm

re: #287 ContraJihadi

Well, I love the stuff, even if I have trouble with the spelling. It seems to show more lively hops and more lingering malt than Pacifico, although Pacifico can be very refreshing when the sun (at least this Alta California sun) is especially fierce. .

There's a new beer here (sort of new) called "Indio".
If the day is hot and the Indio is cold...it's a delight!
Great beer for me.

295 RTLM  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:27:52pm

re: #292 galloping granny

I forgot the /

296 Prikolno  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:28:03pm

re: #277 galloping granny

And I still want to see the certified long form copy. This one with the 1997 date on the back of a document that was not printed until after it was revised in November of 2001 just doesn't cut it.

I see what you mean.

297 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:28:32pm

re: #282 BGOH

Good for you, Charles. I sincerely applaud your stance against racism in any and all of it's forms. It certainly makes all of the idiotic smears levied against you around the lefty blogosphere seem very, very stupid.

Seconded.

298 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:28:49pm

re: #290 itellu3times

Charles, I still cannot realiably pause the spy. Maybe it has something to do with minimizing and restoring the window? The On checkbox seems to work OK when the spy first opens, but when I come back to it after this and that, it seems to ignore the check, I've turned it back on, waited, and then turned it off, but it keeps spying anyway, over ten, twenty, more seconds.

Which browser are you using?

299 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:18pm

Brother,

'nother one on the Registration Thread.

300 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:20pm

re: #275 kay1212

Y Remember, nuclear energy has killed less people in the US than Teddy Kennedy.

But Three Mile Island did have some negative health effects -
from the coal that was burned to replace the power when the unit was down.
(Not only that, but burning coal releases more radioactivity than a nuclear power plant.)

301 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:25pm

re: #293 Charles

He's been here for years. I wish I'd figured out what he was about sooner.

Thanks, Charles!

302 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:27pm

re: #294 MigueldowninMexico

There's a new beer here (sort of new) called "Indio".
If the day is hot and the Indio is cold...it's a delight!
Great beer for me.

Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open.

303 Prikolno  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:32pm

re: #293 Charles

He's been here for years. I wish I'd figured out what he was about sooner.

With close to 6K posts in real time every day? That is almost impossible.

304 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:29:54pm

re: #295 RTLM

I forgot the /

Ah, see then. gotta be careful with those sarc tags. Somebody might take you seriously :)

305 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:30:55pm

re: #292 galloping granny

Hamas didn't want a truce. They have pulled something extremely similar on the eve of every truce that I can remember.

Hamas barely exists, has no control over its arms and legs. As soon as one guy announces a truce, some other guy fires a rocket. Islam allows for no central controls, how they ever had a caliphate I don't really understand. And civil Arabic societies, insofar as there is such a thing with sharia part of Islam, is hardly any better, look at the Saudis trying to control, if not eliminate, internal support for Al Qaeda.

We may decry the polarization of our politics, but we're 1500 years ahead of whatever passes for a social contract in dar al-Islam.

306 uncle_monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:30:56pm

re: #273 Millertime33

I like it...

Since we are also looking at a sequel to Carter, a "II" themed movie might be appropriate...

Funny you mention that - I started a Jimmy & Barack thing a while ago, thinking of something like "face/off" but started overloading with peanuts and rabbits and cardigan sweaters.

Then it started turning something like a Darth "I am your father" thing - and then it just started getting weird and psychedelic and I had to go have a lie-down.

307 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:31:22pm

re: #298 Charles

Which browser are you using?

IE6sp2
(cringe, sorry).

308 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:32:34pm

Charles and some of the big lizards have worked hard to separate this web site from European white supremacists. We don't need that trash here. Did you see the comments via SPY or were they flagged?

309 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:32:50pm

re: #307 itellu3times

IE6sp2
(cringe, sorry).

Somehow I knew that.

I'll investigate... but you really ought to think about switching to something better. IE6 is really showing its age these days.

310 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:33:17pm

re: #291 ContraJihadi

Their grand idea is to hack every 'bad' verse out of the koran. That's the only way they can justify their 'religion'. Of course it makes no sense, but when did sense ever stand in the way of CHANGE? They would like us all to buy fuel from providers who do not purchase ME oil. Do you know of any providers who strictly refine oil that they do not purchase on the open market like everyone else?

311 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:33:27pm

So if Q was here so long why doesn't that nic jump out at me? I can't remember that nic at all.

312 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:33:38pm

re: #305 itellu3times

Hamas barely exists, has no control over its arms and legs. As soon as one guy announces a truce, some other guy fires a rocket. Islam allows for no central controls, how they ever had a caliphate I don't really understand. And civil Arabic societies, insofar as there is such a thing with sharia part of Islam, is hardly any better, look at the Saudis trying to control, if not eliminate, internal support for Al Qaeda.

We may decry the polarization of our politics, but we're 1500 years ahead of whatever passes for a social contract in dar al-Islam.

Do you really think the Saudis try to control or eliminate internal support for Al Queda? I've had the impression for quite some while now that they only pay lip service to trying to eliminate them and actually support them - monetarily and otherwise - as long as they stay out of the kingdom.

313 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:34:03pm

re: #308 snowcrash

Charles and some of the big lizards have worked hard to separate this web site from European white supremacists. We don't need that trash here. Did you see the comments via SPY or were they flagged?

I always go back to threads about Nazis after a while. These types love to come into dead threads and post their crap after everyone else has moved on. I've seen it over and over.

314 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:34:41pm

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS! Woot! It is GOOD to be back! Spent the whole day cleaning out freezers and refrigerators. Much spoilage. Poo.

There are still over 80,000 people in southeast Michigan without power. Some may wait until Sunday. For all our advances in technology, you'd think someone would have figured out a better way....

Since these things NEVER happen when Grandpa Cracker is home, I spent four days alone in the dark, with no water and seven dogs to care for. Without our swimming pool, I don't know what I would have done. Air conditioning is a luxury, but water? Not so much!

How are we all tonight? What did I miss?

315 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:34:47pm

re: #306 uncle_monkey

Funny you mention that - I started a Jimmy & Barack thing a while ago, thinking of something like "face/off" but started overloading with peanuts and rabbits and cardigan sweaters.

Then it started turning something like a Darth "I am your father" thing - and then it just started getting weird and psychedelic and I had to go have a lie-down.

I wish I knew how to do that cause I've got some good ideas.

316 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:34:52pm

re: #311 pingjockey

So if Q was here so long why doesn't that nic jump out at me? I can't remember that nic at all.

His registration ID is 851.

317 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:35:00pm

re: #311 pingjockey

So if Q was here so long why doesn't that nic jump out at me? I can't remember that nic at all.

There's several nics back there that aren't familiar. Seems a few lizard are zombies (no reflection on THE zombie), they hang out on dead threads.

318 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:35:19pm

re: #309 Charles

Somehow I knew that.

I'll investigate... but you really ought to think about switching to something better. IE6 is really showing its age these days.

Yah, OK.

Looks more like spy here always ignores check box, or at least it does now I open it again. FWIW.

Hey, anybody with IE6 able to properly pause the spy?

319 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:35:21pm

And we're currently up to 27,225.

320 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:35:30pm

I hope all good lizards are doing well.

321 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:35:40pm

re: #314 Grammy Cracker

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS! Woot! It is GOOD to be back! Spent the whole day cleaning out freezers and refrigerators. Much spoilage. Poo.

There are still over 80,000 people in southeast Michigan without power. Some may wait until Sunday. For all our advances in technology, you'd think someone would have figured out a better way....

Since these things NEVER happen when Grandpa Cracker is home, I spent four days alone in the dark, with no water and seven dogs to care for. Without our swimming pool, I don't know what I would have done. Air conditioning is a luxury, but water? Not so much!

How are we all tonight? What did I miss?

Grammy - how awful for you!

322 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:36:28pm

re: #314 Grammy Cracker

{Grammy Cracker}

How brave you are! I'm so glad you're ok.

323 Racer X  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:36:59pm

We're not going to have Ron Paul to kick around anymore.

Supposedly officially ending his campaign right about now.

324 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:37:26pm

I wonder what my registration ID is?

326 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:38:05pm

re: #324 justdanny

I wonder what my registration ID is?

You're #325.

327 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:39:54pm

re: #219 Josephine

Had a difficult time reading those. Too much depression and whining.

328 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:40:58pm

re: #312 galloping granny

Do you really think the Saudis try to control or eliminate internal support for Al Queda? I've had the impression for quite some while now that they only pay lip service to trying to eliminate them and actually support them - monetarily and otherwise - as long as they stay out of the kingdom.

Over and over, they've given Bush some assurance that they'll try to get control over things - which you will note is not the same as saying they will STOP it. They are not above bribing Al Qaeda to stay away, but then some other royal funds some other wack job who claims to be Al Qaeda and tries to attack a US oil company on Saudi territory - Saudis are trying to deal with a devil of their own making. Maybe they are *somewhat* successful, but insofar as they are successful, the Saudi royals, if not the government, are actually responsible for whatever is left. But yeah, I think they are at least trying ... sort of like the Obama web site, y'know?

329 Geepers  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:41:33pm

justdanny (#324),

All the 6-15ers have to be under 1,000.

330 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:42:17pm

re: #326 Charles
Sweet. I like that #. Thanks!

331 yochanan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:42:19pm

re: #316 Charles

what is my id'#

332 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:42:35pm

re: #329 Geepers

justdanny (#324),

All the 6-15ers have to be under 1,000.

Heh. The 6-15ers.

You're no. 176.

333 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:42:42pm

I am not a number, I am a free man!

334 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:44:09pm

re: #321 galloping granny

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks for the sympathy! I'm one of the lucky ones; there are some homes in our area that were heavily damaged or even destroyed. I heard a long-haul trucker on the radio Monday morning who came home to find the second story of his house was missing! My only permanent loss was a few tree limbs.

Note to my Lizard pals....buy a battery-operated radio (mine can even be powered by hand crank if necessary) and an old-fashioned phone that DOES NOT NEED ELECTRICITY. Keep them in a safe, accessible place with some candles, lighters, flashlights and batteries. Just in case....

335 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:44:22pm

re: #329 Geepers
I wouldnt want to be in the life situation I was in back when I was all about LGF. But I sure wish I was in a situation currently that would allow me to be a lot more about LGF.

336 BulgarWheat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:44:24pm

I can't remember when I registered.

337 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:44:32pm

re: #292 galloping granny

Hamas didn't want a truce. They have pulled something extremely similar on the eve of every truce that I can remember.

Israel is still pushing for a truce....

damn bloody kadima party.... DON'T YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PEOPLE!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

As more than 50 mortar shells, Kassam and Katyusha rockets were fired into Israel from Gaza on Thursday, the Defense Ministry was still working to "exhaust" the dialogue with Egypt on a cease-fire with Hamas, sources in the Prime Minister's Office said.
338 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:45:11pm

re: #331 yochanan

what is my id'#

8998.

339 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:45:12pm

re: #333 itellu3times
Hold on to that illusion as long as you can. ;)

340 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:45:30pm

re: #336 BulgarWheat

I can't remember when I registered.

Registered since: Jun 18, 2004 at 9:14 am

341 yochanan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:45:55pm

been here a long time I LIKE IT HERE. thank you charles for letting me vent and rant.

342 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:47:16pm

re: #338 Charles

That's kind of cool, maybe you could add that to the "info" page you get when clicking the avatar, after our registration date. :)

/or not, it could be a royal PITA. LOL

343 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:47:26pm

re: #337 rlevitin

The only thing I can think of is a parallel with someone in an abusive relationship who just wants the abuse to end and who thinks that there has to be some reasonable compromise to make things better.

344 yochanan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:47:33pm

will have to remember the IRON FIST RULE been doing some BLACK SHEEP ALE stuff good.

345 justdanny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:47:34pm

re: #336 BulgarWheat
I know a woman personally whose husband was one of seven men executed for ordering Che's killing.

346 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:47:49pm

I've been here a not-so-long-time, and I also love it here!

Thanks Charles (to echo everyone else)

Keep up the great work, you are doing a tremendous service to the free world. The more hate mail and death threats you get from extremists, the better a job you are doing.... and know you've always got all of our support.

347 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:48:34pm

Charles, you're such a patient man. Aren't you going to get tired of telling lizards their ID? (Or is still like a new toy?)

348 migueldowninmexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:49:06pm

re: #341 yochanan

been here a long time I LIKE IT HERE. thank you charles for letting me vent and rant.

Just don't over do it...

/// ;)

349 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:49:29pm

re: #346 rlevitin

You've been here three days already, where's your avatar? ;)

/just kidding

Welcome, to you and all the new lizards. :)

350 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:49:42pm

Hans Blix is back in the news. He thinks that the world should cave and give Iran incentives - claiming that the US policy has failed.

Figures.

351 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:49:52pm

re: #348 migueldowninmexico

Just don't over do it...

/// ;)

LOL Hi Miguel, how are you?

352 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:14pm

10:30 A.M CDT tomorrow as a part of the Okla. Patriot Guard I'll be honoring the funeral and burial of one of Oklahoma's beloved sons who was killed in the service of our great country. The idiots from the "church" in Ks. are planning on protesting the funeral. Your prayers for the comfort of the family would be greatly appreciated as would prayers for a safe and respectful ride.

353 migueldowninmexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:14pm

re: #351 gop_patriot

LOL Hi Miguel, how are you?

I'm fine gop, thanks! hehe.
How about you?

354 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:16pm

When threads start to die down, I can never tell if a new one has been created or not. I keep rushing to reload the main page, but then I miss comments here... it's a viscious cycle!

355 migueldowninmexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:34pm

There is still another nick pending, isn't there?

356 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:48pm

re: #343 goddessoftheclassroom
To stop- really stop- the violence from the Palestinans, Israel would have to stoop to their level. They can't do it. Not yet.

357 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:50:52pm

re: #352 guzziguy

10:30 A.M CDT tomorrow as a part of the Okla. Patriot Guard I'll be honoring the funeral and burial of one of Oklahoma's beloved sons who was killed in the service of our great country. The idiots from the "church" in Ks. are planning on protesting the funeral. Your prayers for the comfort of the family would be greatly appreciated as would prayers for a safe and respectful ride.

May I add this to the Lizard Prayer List?

358 Geepers  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:51:23pm

Charles (#332),

Heh. The 6-15ers.

You're no. 176.

Thanks.

359 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:51:29pm

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

Please do.

360 yochanan  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:52:20pm

re: #348 migueldowninmexico

ranting is finished for the nite already openrf the cold ones

361 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:52:22pm

How do you tell what number you are?

362 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:52:43pm

re: #353 migueldowninmexico

Miguel! Mi amigo!

363 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:53:15pm

re: #356 Jim in Virginia

To stop- really stop- the violence from the Palestinans, Israel would have to stoop to their level. They can't do it. Not yet.

They do not have to stoop their level. That statement implies military action against terrorists is equivalent to terrorist acts... Attacking Hamas targets on a large-scale is NOT stooping to the same level as targeting the humanitarian aid trucks Israel sends as they cross into Gaza then screaming about how hungry they are.

There is no moral equivalency at ALL.

364 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:53:40pm

re: #332 Charles

Heh. The 6-15ers.

You're no. 176.

of course you know you've started something Charles...

365 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:53:49pm

re: #334 Grammy Cracker

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks for the sympathy! I'm one of the lucky ones; there are some homes in our area that were heavily damaged or even destroyed. I heard a long-haul trucker on the radio Monday morning who came home to find the second story of his house was missing! My only permanent loss was a few tree limbs.

Note to my Lizard pals....buy a battery-operated radio (mine can even be powered by hand crank if necessary) and an old-fashioned phone that DOES NOT NEED ELECTRICITY. Keep them in a safe, accessible place with some candles, lighters, flashlights and batteries. Just in case....

Yup. We don't lose power too often up here in VT, but the last time we had a huge storm it took out 1/4 of the trees in the state and there were people without power for many weeks. We keep all that stuff and a stash of food that does not need to be refrigerated or heated. A small camp stove is always good to have around too.

366 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:53:57pm

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom
Is school out yet goddess? Any exciting summer plans?

367 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:53:57pm

re: #352 guzziguy

10:30 A.M CDT tomorrow as a part of the Okla. Patriot Guard I'll be honoring the funeral and burial of one of Oklahoma's beloved sons who was killed in the service of our great country. The idiots from the "church" in Ks. are planning on protesting the funeral. Your prayers for the comfort of the family would be greatly appreciated as would prayers for a safe and respectful ride.

Guzzi I salute you from one who has lost a family member in this war.
Thank you for your protection.

368 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:54:17pm

re: #363 rlevitin

When I say that, I always picture a Jenin-type operation in Gaza... Not just a carpet-bombing of the strip... I don't really know what kind of tactics they would use.

369 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:54:30pm

re: #357 goddessoftheclassroom

May I add this to the Lizard Prayer List?

Of course! :)

370 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:54:49pm

re: #352 guzziguy

10:30 A.M CDT tomorrow as a part of the Okla. Patriot Guard I'll be honoring the funeral and burial of one of Oklahoma's beloved sons who was killed in the service of our great country. The idiots from the "church" in Ks. are planning on protesting the funeral. Your prayers for the comfort of the family would be greatly appreciated as would prayers for a safe and respectful ride.

I will pray for you and the family, and God bless you for doing what you can to help them in this most difficult and painful time.

Just as I don't understand how anyone connected with a *religion of peace* can promote violence and hatred, I also don't understand how anyone calling themselves a Baptist can engage in this disgusting and vile behavior. I am a Baptist, and they DO NOT speak for me! I hope all true Baptists, and other people of faith, will join in praying for and honoring the sacrifice of the families of our fallen heroes.

371 Geepers  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:00pm

justdanny (#335),

I wouldnt want to be in the life situation I was in back when I was all about LGF. But I sure wish I was in a situation currently that would allow me to be a lot more about LGF.

You and me both brother. Seems like such a long time ago.

And for those of you unfamiliar with justdanny he is the holder of the "biggest scoop" title for announcing Saddam's capture a day or two before it was public knowledge.

372 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:10pm

re: #337 rlevitin

I do not mean to be insulting in any way, but Olmert and his cronies really really remind me of the Jewish community leaders you read about that were so sure that if they just did what the Nazis wanted that everything would be hunky-dory.

373 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:12pm

re: #352 guzziguy

You fellows do it right - and I salute you.

374 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:33pm

Lizard Prayer List 6/12/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Part I

Thanksgivings
gop patriot: friend’s 6-year-old son almost completely over pneumonia.
Shug: arrival of Shug Junior; Mrs. Shug is fine
Jim Robinson of FreeRepublic.com: recuperating well
laZardo: friend’s brain scan came back clear
BlueCanuck (and mom)--brother, SIL, and niece in China and safe.
The Albatross: enough clients to cover medical expenses
FishFearMe: "artifact" or a "sclerotic bone lesion" on sacroiliac IS BENIGN!.
killgore trout: stepfather’s doing better
Conservgirl: Father-in-law Oliver is in remission from Multiple Myeloma. It's a miracle.
Suzette: things improving
MamaWinger Father in law doing better

Health issues:
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie--cancer and renal failure
Jorline: father who has colon cancer
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
LanceKates: dad’s continued recovery from surgery
Ma Sands: daughter dealing with postpartum issues
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
realwest: cancer; mom Type II diabetes
BBev: wife’s illness; recovering from surgery
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
loppyd: nephew, recently diagnosed with Type I Diabetes
Babbazee: ancillary health problems
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
EC Marm: wife is hurt
Lucius Septimius: mother
Storagemanager: copd (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
USMC1968: cancer

Continued...

375 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:39pm

re: #362 Jim in Virginia

Miguel! Mi amigo!

Hola Jim! How are you now?

376 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:39pm

re: #62 George guy There will be George. Trust me...we will not submit : )

377 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:42pm

Lizard Prayer List, Part II

Family, friend, and life situations:
Quizziguy: comfort for family for whom he is riding as part of the Patriot Guard on 6/13
SavageNation
Lucius Septimus: healing of hurts
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Sarah: and her husband in the process of moving to Arizona for husband’s schooling and the loans for the schooling are not working out.
Incanus and family: uncle’s passing
KostyaLotz: In-Law Family and Friends in Sichuan Provence, PRC (earthquake victims)
Lizards who are traveling, especially those going abroad.
Eyes of Blue: daughter’s neighbor's husband killed in Iraq.
committed: brother lost his mobile home to fire
Intrepid:. Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
Gromster: mother’s passing
Bikermailman: mom’s heart surgery next month
Loppyd: stepfather recovering from serious surgery
wolfie: nephew (USAR) who is being sent into the thick of things in Iraq. We lost another nephew (USMC) two years ago.
vxbush: father’s passing; her & son
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
gibsonz: the passing of Sonia Neeley
Maximus: son reports for active duty in August.
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
tfc3rid: friend’s passing shortly after diagnosis, leaving wife and 2 young children; friend’s pregnancy/complications
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Crusader Rabbit: safe traveling
Spidly: brother’s passing
GotC: EH/kids; losing cousin and aunt within 4 months
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general


Community issues:

Those suffering in China and Burma
Gilad Schalit, Ehud Goldwasser, Eldad Regev, for their release.
Those at risk for speaking the truth
The families of John Young and Ron Withrow and those of the contractors still held hostage
Those pushing back against dhimmitude
Israel, especially for those who mourn
Ezra Levant and Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

378 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:44pm

As a new hatchling, I'm kinda wondering, is there an easy way to follow along the thread of a conversation (tracing people who have replied to your comment, or anything of the sort?) I've just been using spy, and ctrl-f to "search" for certain keywords.

379 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:55pm

re: #3 goddessoftheclassroom

Any trolls around?

Post some more on the SCOTUS decision and Killian will pop up and act like one again.

380 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:55:58pm

re: #367 Typicalwhitey

May God grant you comfort and peace and thank you for your family's ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

It is my honor to stand for those who stood for us.

381 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:56:08pm

re: #310 Cap'n DOC

Their grand idea is to hack every 'bad' verse out of the koran. That's the only way they can justify their 'religion'. Of course it makes no sense, but when did sense ever stand in the way of CHANGE?

My brother is a born-again Christian. He keeps telling me that Satan never rests. While I am inclined to view as allegories the texts he views as literal truths, I find that his observation about the persistence and irreducibility of evil is beyond doubting. I have also been able to confirm the existence of whited sepulchers and wolves in sheep's clothing.

382 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:56:10pm

re: #361 Typicalwhitey

How do you tell what number you are?

Ask Charles.

383 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:56:43pm

re: #358 Geepers

Charles (#332),


Thanks.

You're a member of the Founder's Club ;)

384 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:57:10pm

re: #372 galloping granny

I do not mean to be insulting in any way, but Olmert and his cronies really really remind me of the Jewish community leaders you read about that were so sure that if they just did what the Nazis wanted that everything would be hunky-dory.

Not insulting at all... I agree in many respects. Except, I feel like his government is more interested in covering their asses on corruption charges then in actually attaining peace.

385 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:57:14pm

re: #339 justdanny

Hold on to that illusion as long as you can. ;)

The Prisoner
Scroll to 2:10, line at 2:40

386 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:57:14pm

re: #381 ContraJihadi

He doesn't. Why would he?

387 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:57:57pm

re: #380 guzziguy

May God grant you comfort and peace and thank you for your family's ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

It is my honor to stand for those who stood for us.


What a moving sentence. Thank you.

388 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:58:24pm

re: #384 rlevitin
re: #372 galloping granny


Lefties are Lefties are Lefties... its the same problem of appeasement everywhere in the world, and throughout history. It just DOES NOT WORK!

389 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:58:30pm

re: #353 migueldowninmexico

Great, thanks. :) Just enjoying the good weather, sunny and hot. Of course with the warmth and humidity come the mosquitoes, bleah. :p lol

390 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:58:30pm

re: #363 rlevitin I'm not implying moral equivlancy, just the opposite. Groups like Hamas see civilians as acceptable, even desirable, targets. The IDF and the US Armed Forces go to great lengths to prevent collateral damage, because they value human life. It's what prevents them from bulldozing Gaza.

391 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:58:36pm

re: #382 galloping granny

Ask Charles.

Thanks, I really don't want to bother him though ;)

392 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:58:49pm

re: #384 rlevitin

Not insulting at all... I agree in many respects. Except, I feel like his government is more interested in covering their asses on corruption charges then in actually attaining peace.

That too. I fail to understand how they remain in office.

393 Geepers  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 5:59:20pm

rlevitin (#354),

When threads start to die down, I can never tell if a new one has been created or not. I keep rushing to reload the main page, but then I miss comments here... it's a viscious cycle!

No need. When you hit "new comments" if a new thread is up it will appear on the right of the "front page" link just like the previous thread is shown to the left.

394 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:02pm

re: #380 guzziguy

Thank you.

395 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:08pm

re: #388 rlevitin

re: #372 galloping granny


Lefties are Lefties are Lefties... its the same problem of appeasement everywhere in the world, and throughout history. It just DOES NOT WORK!

And you know, the funny thing is they KNOW it doesn't work. They don't even follow the same advice we give to school children dealing with schoolyard bullies.

396 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:09pm

Justdanny
Congratulations man!
:)

397 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:11pm

re: #386 Cap'n DOC

Sorry, I don't understand your meaning.

398 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:13pm

re: #350 lawhawk

Hans Blix is back in the news. He thinks that the world should cave and give Iran incentives - claiming that the US policy has failed.

Figures.

Isn't their incentive for nukes the desire to nuke Israel?
Oh, wait, he wants to give them incentives to stop enrichment?
Probably the only thing they'd accept is for someone else to nuke Israel.
Good thing the UN doesn't have nuclear weapons.

399 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #393 Geepers

rlevitin (#354),

No need. When you hit "new comments" if a new thread is up it will appear on the right of the "front page" link just like the previous thread is shown to the left.

OOOH, thats a good point, never thought of that! Thanks =)

re: #390 Jim in Virginia

I'm not implying moral equivlancy, just the opposite. Groups like Hamas see civilians as acceptable, even desirable, targets. The IDF and the US Armed Forces go to great lengths to prevent collateral damage, because they value human life. It's what prevents them from bulldozing Gaza.

Ahh, misinterpreted you to mean that any military action in Gaza would be the same as what Hamas is doing to Israel.

400 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:01:03pm

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

401 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:01:23pm

re: #397 ContraJihadi

...Satan never rests.

402 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:01:27pm

re: #370 Grammy Cracker

I come for a long line of Baptist Preachers. I can trace ministers in my family back to the first minister of the first Protestant Church established in Kent, England.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Phelps is a worker of lawlessness.

403 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:01:45pm

re: #400 Charles

Thanks Charles. That means a lot to me.

404 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:00pm

re: #400 Charles

'Nuf said.

405 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:00pm

re: #400 Charles

Thank you. I shall save that, and quote it at need.

406 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:05pm

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS! Woot! It is GOOD to be back! Spent the whole day cleaning out freezers and refrigerators. Much spoilage. Poo.

There are still over 80,000 people in southeast Michigan without power. Some may wait until Sunday. For all our advances in technology, you'd think someone would have figured out a better way....

Since these things NEVER happen when Grandpa Cracker is home

I'll say a prayer for you tonight..we have experienced great pain and destruction down here in Indiana. I feel so bad for those have lost everything in the blink of an eye..To see fellow brothers and sisters walking away from a destroyed home with only a trash bag of personal stuff breaks my heart. My best wishes and hang in there!
on another note.. 8 of us are driving up your way friday at noon.
Our entourage has tiks to the NASCAR race at Michigan..and the weather report says 40% chance of rain. I sincerely hope that if it rains we get all of it and you get none.
hang in there

407 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:18pm

re: #389 gop_patriot

Great, thanks. :) Just enjoying the good weather, sunny and hot. Of course with the warmth and humidity come the mosquitoes, bleah. :p lol

Are we ever happy with the weather? lol

I seem to complain if it's cold and if it's warm lol

408 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:23pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

I haven't really been following the whole ID/Darwinist debate on LGF... what is it about ID that makes it such a bad idea?

409 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:42pm

em>re: #374 goddessoftheclassroomAdd to thanksgivings: my 85 year old mother's new cornea.
She got a fifteen year or 150,000 mile guarantee.
Modern medicine is amazing.

410 Reno911  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:02:54pm

I see lineal numbers have made their way onto LGF.

Lizards of the Line.

heh

411 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:03:14pm

re: #400 Charles


I'm hiding under this chair....

412 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:03:23pm

re: #407 MigueldowninMexico

Are we ever happy with the weather? lol

I seem to complain if it's cold and if it's warm lol

There are days, as rare as it is. The fact that too cold and too warm is bad just makes the nice days that much nicer.

413 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:04:14pm

re: #408 rlevitin

I haven't really been following the whole ID/Darwinist debate on LGF... what is it about ID that makes it such a bad idea?


Careful
That sounds like troll question

414 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:04:14pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

I think that if you approach things with an open mind Charles you will find that even those of us of "faith" as you call it do not see this as an agenda issue but more a simple matter of "this is what religion says" and "this is what evolution says." The two are not the least incompatible, it does not promote an erroneous scientific or religious point of view and really shouldn't be an argument. That is exactly what I was taught umpteen years ago. I am as much against making an agenda out of the thing as you are. I just happen to also be against making evolution an agenda item, as far too many do now.

415 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:04:19pm

I believe in evolution myself. I also don't feel that evolution/the will of God are contradictory.

416 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:02pm

re: #409 Jim in Virginia

em>re: #374 goddessoftheclassroomAdd to thanksgivings: my 85 year old mother's new cornea.
She got a fifteen year or 150,000 mile guarantee.
Modern medicine is amazing.

Got it!

I'm so glad for both of you.

All other Lizards: PLEASE let me know of any requests or updates. I will not presume to place you on the list without your express agreement because I do not want to overstep.

417 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:04pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

We can disagree on some things and find important common ground on others. If you 'hated us', you could simply pull the plug on our accounts and be rid of us forever. You don't. We stay. Thank you.

/I just will not be found on any ID vs. Darwin threads....

418 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:24pm

re: #408 rlevitin

I haven't really been following the whole ID/Darwinist debate on LGF... what is it about ID that makes it such a bad idea?

yep. There it is and I didn't even have to countdown...the ubiquitous flame thrower ID question......


(sigh)

419 mama winger  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:28pm

And on that note, I will say goodnight. Thanks again Charles for those words. See you all tomorrow. God bless our troops and keep them safe and strong.

420 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:32pm

OK, I finally arrived home. I can't find my house keys, so I had to bother my Male to let me in before he went back to work - and he's been working since 6 a.m. I'm hot, tired, achy and annoyed.

However, since I'm alone, I can play bluegrass. I started with Nickel Creek's Why Should the Fire Die. I think I'll go for Emmylou's Red Dirt Girl next. (Not strictly bluegrass, but it's stuff the Male doesn't care for)

Any further suggestions?

421 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:42pm

re: #415 Hard Right

I believe in evolution myself. I also don't feel that evolution/the will of God are contradictory.

That's because they're not.

422 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:05:57pm

re: #415 Hard Right

I believe in evolution myself. I also don't feel that evolution/the will of God are contradictory.

Yup. How and why/who are two different things.

423 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:06:04pm

re: #408 rlevitin

It's unfalsifiable. So it's not science.

424 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:06:09pm

re: #413 LeftJustAintRight

Careful
That sounds like troll question

I didn't mean to be all troll-y with that... I just honestly am ignorant on that specific topic.

As far as I understand it, ID is the concept that science "proves" the universe as we know it is too complex to be "random". Therefore concluding its not, and that mean there was some sort of ID.

I just don't know if that is actually what ID is all about... =S

425 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:06:19pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science."

Excellent, as a person faith with scientific training thank you.

I've tried when I engaged in the debate, to get folks to recognize the borders of science and faith, and the trouble of overlapping them.

426 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:06:27pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

That's because they're not.

Some see otherwise, but I'm not one of them.

427 maddogg  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:06:39pm

re: #420 Dianna

OK, I finally arrived home. I can't find my house keys, so I had to bother my Male to let me in before he went back to work - and he's been working since 6 a.m. I'm hot, tired, achy and annoyed.

However, since I'm alone, I can play bluegrass. I started with Nickel Creek's Why Should the Fire Die. I think I'll go for Emmylou's Red Dirt Girl next. (Not strictly bluegrass, but it's stuff the Male doesn't care for)

Any further suggestions?

Have you frisked the squirrel?

428 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:07:03pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.


Duly noted. And I, personally, thank you a lot for this clarification.

You have such a fine instinct to smell fishy stuff that I've developed a lot of trust in you, Charles. You have your mind and heart in the right place.

We know who you are anyway, I don't think any believer would have been thinking bad about you because of this. But still, thanks for saying it ;)

God bless you Charles; and I do believe in His bleesings.

{Charles Johnson}
;)

429 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:07:23pm

re: #424 rlevitin

I didn't mean to be all troll-y with that... I just honestly am ignorant on that specific topic.

As far as I understand it, ID is the concept that science "proves" the universe as we know it is too complex to be "random". Therefore concluding its not, and that mean there was some sort of ID.

I just don't know if that is actually what ID is all about... =S

If you like it here that is a subject you better know how to argue like an adult

430 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:07:35pm

re: #352 guzziguy

Will do, am doing, on both counts. Thanks for letting us know.

431 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:07:40pm

re: #400 Charles
Charles- thank you for your honesty and your respect for different points of view. And thank you, multiple multiple times, for this community.

432 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #412 rlevitin

There are days, as rare as it is. The fact that too cold and too warm is bad just makes the nice days that much nicer.

Good reflection ;)

433 BGOH  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #349 gop_patriot

Good Lord, I've been here for longer than three days - I really need to get on the avatar bandwagon!

/Is this why most of my posts are completely ignored? LOL

434 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:17pm

re: #426 Hard Right

Some see otherwise, but I'm not one of them.

Some refuse to see the agenda- but I'm not one of them.

435 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:18pm

re: #429 LeftJustAintRight

If you like it here that is a subject you better know how to argue like an adult

lol, alright, I guess I'll just keep mum till i learn more about it.

436 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:20pm

re: #427 maddogg

Have you frisked the squirrel?

Careful, the SCOTUS will grant squirrels special rights too.

437 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:24pm

Evolution thread!

438 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:08:48pm

re: #429 LeftJustAintRight

If you like it here that is a subject you better know how to argue like an adult

Or have sense enough to find something else to do when the subject comes up :)

439 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #367 Typicalwhitey

I did not know of your sorrow. Perhaps I was not paying attention. Lifting you up before the throne, too.

440 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:21pm

re: #416 goddessoftheclassroom

Got it!

I'm so glad for both of you.

All other Lizards: PLEASE let me know of any requests or updates. I will not presume to place you on the list without your express agreement because I do not want to overstep.


Thanks for doing that goddess. ya know Babba and I tried to do that after the 04 election on the morning dead thread, but I am so inconsistent that it fell through...thanks again.

441 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:30pm

re: #401 Cap'n DOC

Ah.

Well, I can't speak for my brother, but when I say "Satan," I have in mind a visual symbol, a personification for the evil intentions (even more than for the deeds that follow) that exist in all humans.

Since I am convinced that this inclination is original, I do not conceive of its having an external cause, and therefore I don't see how questions of "why" can apply to it.

442 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:44pm

re: #433 BGOH

Good Lord, I've been here for longer than three days - I really need to get on the avatar bandwagon!

/Is this why most of my posts are completely ignored? LOL

I've been here for years and haven't done anything about an avatar yet. You're probably ignored because folks are just getting to know you.

443 freetoken  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:48pm

re: #433 BGOH

Suggest something really sexy for the avatar.

444 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:54pm

re: #427 maddogg

The squirrel and I are as one.

I'm even relatively dapper, today.

445 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #435 rlevitin

Try the tag storm and search LGF for it- read the posts and comments- you'll learn plenty.

446 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Not.

447 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:10:28pm

re: #400 Charles
OK. I don't really care, but I like the community and hate to see hard feelings revisit other threads.

448 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:10:42pm

re: #435 rlevitin

lol, alright, I guess I'll just keep mum till i learn more about it.

don't bother. Both sides are firmly entrenched...

449 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

Try the tag storm and search LGF for it- read the posts and comments- you'll learn plenty.

Aaah, yes, the tag storm, another thing I need to learn to use.

450 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:13pm

re: #400 Charles

Thanks for saying all that, Charles. You are a good guy, in very many ways. :)

451 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:15pm

re: #433 BGOH

Good Lord, I've been here for longer than three days - I really need to get on the avatar bandwagon!

/Is this why most of my posts are completely ignored? LOL

{BGOH}

I need to know: are you a dog person or a cat person? (yes, you can be both or neither).

452 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:17pm

re: #433 BGOH

LOL! :)

/can't say you're being ignored anymore, I answered your post, nyah!

453 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:17pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Evolution thread!

Oh stop it!

454 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:18pm

re: #408 rlevitin

I haven't really been following the whole ID/Darwinist debate on LGF... what is it about ID that makes it such a bad idea?

The issue with ID is they are taking a matter of religious faith (metaphysics) and trying to cross it into the realm of sciencs (physics). For many of them the agenda is not so much faith, as pushing the ideology.

I speak as a very "fundy" Christian. Much of ID mixes bad science, with bad theology and pretends to speak of Christians. And doing that they alienate many none Christians.

When apply scripture to science and vice versa, one must tread carefully.
The proponents of ID do not do that IMHO.

455 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:23pm

re: #433 BGOH

Nah. I get ignored all the time, even when I'm being relatively sensible.

456 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:11:28pm

re: #443 freetoken

Suggest something really sexy for the avatar.

ARGGH - you have the most horrible avatar!

457 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:12:25pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Evolution thread!

Damn it! It not up for discussion anymore.

IT TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!

;-P

458 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:12:37pm

re: #435 rlevitin

lol, alright, I guess I'll just keep mum till i learn more about it.


Good move
People loose accounts very quick on those boards and friends are lost forever on them also
You can have an opinion on anything but do not try and shove it down anyone's throat

459 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:12:49pm

Goddess
Not right now, but thanks a lot! If I know of any need for prayer will let you know!

I thank you a lot for keeping that list!
{Goddess} :)

460 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:10pm

re: #449 rlevitin

Aaah, yes, the tag storm, another thing I need to learn to use.

It's easy- just click "tag storm" and you'll see all the tags for the various posts. Click on a tag that interests you and you'll see a list of the relevent posts.

I highly recommend not only the tag storm, but researching the ID/discovery institute subject. It doesn't take much digging to see that there is indeed a nefarious agenda at work.

461 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:10pm

re: #443 freetoken

Suggest something really sexy for the avatar.

Rosie ?
/

462 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:12pm

re: #456 galloping granny

ARGGH - you have the most horrible avatar!

It's been known to induce vomiting.

463 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:21pm

re: #431 Jim in Virginia

Charles- thank you for your honesty and your respect for different points of view. And thank you, multiple multiple times, for this community.

Ditto.

464 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:24pm

re: #454 jcm

The issue with ID is they are taking a matter of religious faith (metaphysics) and trying to cross it into the realm of sciencs (physics). For many of them the agenda is not so much faith, as pushing the ideology.

I speak as a very "fundy" Christian. Much of ID mixes bad science, with bad theology and pretends to speak of Christians. And doing that they alienate many none Christians.

When apply scripture to science and vice versa, one must tread carefully.
The proponents of ID do not do that IMHO.

I think I can see how that can get very problematic.

I've always viewed the issue as more of a philosophical debate on why science doesn't necessarily counter religion (IMO)... but that is not quite the same thing as following the ID vs. Darwinism debate which is why I don't think I know nearly enough about it to get involved.

465 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:31pm

re: #423 Dianna

Where to start?
Ralph Stanley.
Not quite bluegrass but still amazingly wonderful stuff: Fromholz

"Song for Steven Stills" is the most beautiful song ever written

466 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:13:46pm

re: #457 jcm

I like Great Atuin.

467 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:14:01pm

re: #461 LeftJustAintRight

Rosie ?
/

(dry heaving)

468 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:14:32pm

re: #334 Grammy Cracker

re: #322 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks for the sympathy! I'm one of the lucky ones; there are some homes in our area that were heavily damaged or even destroyed. I heard a long-haul trucker on the radio Monday morning who came home to find the second story of his house was missing! My only permanent loss was a few tree limbs.

Note to my Lizard pals....buy a battery-operated radio (mine can even be powered by hand crank if necessary) and an old-fashioned phone that DOES NOT NEED ELECTRICITY. Keep them in a safe, accessible place with some candles, lighters, flashlights and batteries. Just in case....

Get a generator.

/they probably cost less than the food you threw out

469 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:14:42pm

re: #441 ContraJihadi

I don't want to turn it into a religious thread either, but I had my own awakening on my little 'vacation' in SE Asia - the words "Get thee behind me, Satan" took on real meaning - at least for me.

470 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:14:48pm

I have a technical question.

Buzzsaw Monkey puts together probably some of the best parody lyrics to song I have ever seen.

I know in the advanced section, I can search by name, etc.

If I want to search for a portion of something, (like a string of words to a song) in an effort to eliminate pulling every post with each word in it, is this possible?

I am dead serious, this stuff is gold, and I want to at least start cataloging it.

Man of constant sorrow was a couple of weeks ago, and it was great.

471 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:14:51pm

Charles-I see this gibberish:

if ( $afternoon == 'Thursday' ) {
$troll = FALSE;
echo 'Here's another open thread for a sunny Thursday afternoon.';
}


On the thread header. I'm using IE. Or is that some freaky code that I cannot understand...Like is $troll the new troll?

472 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:15:03pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.


Good to know. Thank you.

473 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #457 jcm

(Dare I show my ignorance? Alright, it hangs out all the time, anyway..... :) --but, what is the bottom turtle standing on?)

474 Tamron  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:15:33pm

re: #400 Charles

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

Well said, Charles.

Hmmmm. Maybe 'MASQUERADING' is really the bad-guy here. Allow me to slightly modify your above comment:

"I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "RELIGION." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level."

Nope. Nothing comes to mind.
.

475 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:15:54pm

re: #471 WriterMom

Charles-I see this gibberish:

if ( $afternoon == 'Thursday' ) {
$troll = FALSE;
echo 'Here's another open thread for a sunny Thursday afternoon.';
}


On the thread header. I'm using IE. Or is that some freaky code that I cannot understand...Like is $troll the new troll?

I think it was a joke... using "code" to say "as long as no troll shows up, enjoy!"

476 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:06pm

Eldest son needs the computer, heading out now. See y'all later on the dead threads. :)

Here's a great video for a Thursday afternoon, been posted before but it's too good not to post again. LOL Weezer- Pork and Beans

Bye!

477 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:07pm

re: #471 WriterMom

That was Charles letting his inner geek shine through... nothing to worry about...

478 uncle_monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:26pm

re: #400 Charles

I may not be a Lizard of Faith, but I'm a Faithful Lizard!

Long Live LGF and Lizards of All Scales!

*hic*

479 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:34pm

re: #465 Jim in Virginia

Ta, much. I have Ralph Stanley - from the Stanley Brothers days, too - I'll give Fromholz a spin.

480 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #471 WriterMom

It's a geek joke

481 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:16:49pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Evolution thread!

Thursday Night Drink and Food Fight Thread is Now Open!
-= DRINK =-

482 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:17:26pm

re: #464 rlevitin

I think I can see how that can get very problematic.

I've always viewed the issue as more of a philosophical debate on why science doesn't necessarily counter religion (IMO)... but that is not quite the same thing as following the ID vs. Darwinism debate which is why I don't think I know nearly enough about it to get involved.

It also depends who you get involved in the discussion with. Virtually all of the scientists I know that work with things like microbiology and cells and biochemistry also believe that the world could not have come to be from some fantastic soup, that there was a creator. Physicists - not so much.

I do not know any true scientist that takes verses from the Bible and tries to fit evolution into them. If someone is doing that and calling it "intelligent design" then that is a scam worse than gorebull warming.

483 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:17:33pm

Where does Hussein Obama stand on ID ?
Hmmmmm

484 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:17:43pm

re: #481 Da_Beerfreak

I'm not engaging in any food fights!

485 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:12pm

re: #473 Ma Sands

(Dare I show my ignorance? Alright, it hangs out all the time, anyway..... :) --but, what is the bottom turtle standing on?)

It's turtles ALL THE WAY DOWN!

There's a back story...

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"[1]
486 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:13pm

re: #469 Cap'n DOC

I don't want to turn it into a religious thread either, but I had my own awakening on my little 'vacation' in SE Asia - the words "Get thee behind me, Satan" took on real meaning - at least for me.

Always a shocker the first time that happens.

487 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #484 Dianna

I'm not engaging in any food fights!

Party pooper

488 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:24pm

re: #483 LeftJustAintRight

Where would a substantial bloc of voters like him to stand?

489 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:29pm

re: #484 Dianna

I'm not engaging in any food fights!

Me neither. I'm an eater, not a fighter.

490 Cognito  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:32pm

Can anyone tell me what the computer-speak in the post means?

Best I can tell there's a rich troll running around a canyon?

491 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:49pm

re: #483 LeftJustAintRight

Where does Hussein Obama stand on ID ?
Hmmmmm

He is against them.

492 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:18:51pm

re: #483 LeftJustAintRight

Where does Hussein Obama stand on ID ?
Hmmmmm

Pretty sure he doesn't have a Lizard ID serial number...

/

493 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:19:20pm

re: #487 LeftJustAintRight

I'll engage in competitive poetry quotations, if you like.

494 slartybartfast  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:19:28pm

Speaking of light, a recent OpEd (that got some traction in the blogosphere) referred to BHO as a "Lightworker," someone who can...

...actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve.

Has anyone else mentioned that "Lucifer" is Latin for "Light Bringer". Or, as this link says, "The bringer of light; the opening of minds and the route to enlightenment."

Am I worrying too much?

Or, not enough?

(Thanks for the open thread.)

495 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:19:31pm

re: #488 Dianna

Where would a substantial bloc of voters like him to stand?

I was trying to come up with a way to say that... nicely put =P

496 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:00pm

re: #483 LeftJustAintRight

Where does Hussein Obama stand on ID ?
Hmmmmm

Where does he stand on anything?

497 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:20pm

re: #493 Dianna

I'll engage in competitive poetry quotations, if you like.

ok
There once was lady from ...

498 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:24pm

re: #496 MigueldowninMexico

Where does he stand on anything?

He doesn't stand -- he levitates.

499 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:25pm

re: #468 Killian Bundy

Get a generator.

/they probably cost less than the food you threw out

Here's the real rub....we have one. But Grammy doesn't know how to hook it up. Too much electrical wiring and voltage meter reading, and...I'd probably blow the damned house up. Of course, as soon as Grandpa Cracker got home from glorious Argentina, he spent two hours running cables, attaching them and getting gas for it, so we could run it for an hour and a half before the POWER CAME BACK on.

He will be making the modifications necessary to permanently attach it to the electrical panel, so I can just switch over to it and pull the rip cord. THAT I can do.

500 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #490 Cognito

Yay! Now Cognito is the last one NOT to get it.

Not me! Yay!

501 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:33pm

re: #481 Da_Beerfreak
FOOD FIGHT!

Daughter needs the laptop. Back in a bit.

Barry was for ID before he was against it.

502 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:34pm

re: #483 LeftJustAintRight

Where does Hussein Obama stand on ID ?
Hmmmmm

I'm absolutely sure he has no ID.

ID? 'bout what?

503 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:56pm

re: #489 Lucius Septimius

Me neither. I'm an eater, not a fighter.

Echoes of McCartney and Jackson! lol

504 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:20:59pm

re: #494 slartybartfast

Speaking of light, a recent OpEd (that got some traction in the blogosphere) referred to BHO as a "Lightworker," someone who can...

Has anyone else mentioned that "Lucifer" is Latin for "Light Bringer". Or, as this link says, "The bringer of light; the opening of minds and the route to enlightenment."

Am I worrying too much?

Or, not enough?

(Thanks for the open thread.)

I think thats getting a bit too much into the semantics of the OpEd... It's quite clear (to me anyway), they were trying to deify him without any kind of double-speak about him being satan.

505 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #496 MigueldowninMexico

Where does he stand on anything?

Not under the bus like his friends
LOL

506 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:03pm

Oops, Bball game is on! Go Celts.

507 Colonel_Sunflower  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:04pm

If'n you're curiouser and curiouser about how paper money and commodities are related, be sure not to miss John Tamny's stuff at realclearmarkets. Hanke and Ranson had an excellent WSJ editorial showing rice in relation to the buck and gold.

If'n you're really curiouser and curiouser, check out the late Jude Wanniski's "the gold Polaris."

508 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:10pm

re: #493 Dianna

I'll engage in competitive poetry quotations, if you like.

My hair is gray, but not with years,
Nor grew it white in a single night,
As men's have grown from sudden fears ...

509 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:13pm

re: #494 slartybartfast

Speaking of light, a recent OpEd (that got some traction in the blogosphere) referred to BHO as a "Lightworker," someone who can...

Has anyone else mentioned that "Lucifer" is Latin for "Light Bringer". Or, as this link says, "The bringer of light; the opening of minds and the route to enlightenment."

Am I worrying too much?

Or, not enough?

(Thanks for the open thread.)

Most of those of us of a religious bent (Christian or Jew) do not think that you are worrying to much.

510 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:16pm

re: #485 jcm

I've seen that....and still been kinda mystified.....perhaps it's an illustration of what is bolded inside your link, "religious myopia".....? :)

511 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:24pm

re: #498 Lucius Septimius

He doesn't stand -- he levitates.

LOL

512 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:24pm

re: #498 Lucius Septimius

He doesn't stand -- he levitates.

More like a weather vane, twisting in the wind....

513 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:25pm

re: #498 Lucius Septimius

Hi Lucius

514 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:25pm

re: #495 rlevitin

I'm trying to head off the inevitable "wide stance" jokes off at the pass. However, this post is going to swing wide the gates.

No one will ever be quite sure which statement is a joke.

515 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:38pm

For some real fun-please visit the link I posted upstairs-Mark Steyn's SOCKY SOCK PUPPETS are having a regular seethapolooza at the National Post.

516 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:47pm

re: #416 goddessoftheclassroom

Got it!

I'm so glad for both of you.

All other Lizards: PLEASE let me know of any requests or updates. I will not presume to place you on the list without your express agreement because I do not want to overstep.

I don't mean to intrude but how can I help you to pray for those on your list?

517 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:21:54pm

re: #496 MigueldowninMexico

Where does he stand on anything?

Tonight or tomorrow morning? Not that it matters, because it will be something different three days from now.

518 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:03pm

Mood

519 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:19pm

re: #497 LeftJustAintRight

....Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger.
They returned from the ride...

520 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:23pm

re: #513 LeftJustAintRight

Howdy.

521 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:32pm

re: #505 LeftJustAintRight

Not under the bus like his friends
LOL

The biggest bus in history?
LOL!

522 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:43pm

re: #490 Cognito

LOL. Now that's rich.

523 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:22:57pm

re: #508 Lucius Septimius

My hair is gray, but not with years,
Nor grew it white in a single night,
As men's have grown from sudden fears ...

May I play? I know this one!

524 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:17pm

re: #512 goddessoftheclassroom

More like a weather vane, twisting in the wind....

Much of that wind being of his own making.

525 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:21pm

re: #494 slartybartfast

When I hear "Lightworker", I think slacker...

526 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:31pm

re: #516 Typicalwhitey

how can I help...to pray for those on your list?


Just --do it..... :)

527 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:47pm

re: #523 goddessoftheclassroom

May I play? I know this one!

Figure'd you would.

Read that in eighth grade IIRC.

528 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:54pm

re: #499 Grammy Cracker

He will be making the modifications necessary to permanently attach it to the electrical panel, so I can just switch over to it and pull the rip cord. THAT I can do.

/just make sure you run it in a well ventilated area

529 Cognito  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:23:59pm

re: #500 WriterMom

Yay! Now Cognito is the last one NOT to get it.

Not me! Yay!

Well, I do what I can.

Any hints?

530 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:24:18pm

re: #516 Typicalwhitey

I don't mean to intrude but how can I help you to pray for those on your list?

I guess, by praying. :)
That's what I do.

531 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:24:23pm

re: #482 galloping granny
re: #464 rlevitin

It also depends who you get involved in the discussion with. Virtually all of the scientists I know that work with things like microbiology and cells and biochemistry also believe that the world could not have come to be from some fantastic soup, that there was a creator. Physicists - not so much.

I do not know any true scientist that takes verses from the Bible and tries to fit evolution into them. If someone is doing that and calling it "intelligent design" then that is a scam worse than gorebull warming.


I look at it this way. See if I get my thoughts straight.

The problem is us, people, humans, interpreting both the scriptural text and the physical world. In doing so we add in all the "stuff" we carry, opinions, biases, etc.... that "stuff" contaminants the "TRUTH" that is there in both.

If I am correct both the scripture, and the created world are "correct" "right" (whatever term you choose). We just need to sort it out to get to the "TRUTH" so far we are pretty miserable at it.

532 slartybartfast  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:24:33pm

re: #504 rlevitin

I think thats getting a bit too much into the semantics of the OpEd... It's quite clear (to me anyway), they were trying to deify him without any kind of double-speak about him being satan.

I'm not saying there was an intentional link in the OpEd. You're absolutely right (IMHO), they were trying to deify him. Intentional or not, I wonder if the link was nevertheless meaningful.

533 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:24:44pm

re: #516 Typicalwhitey

I don't mean to intrude but how can I help you to pray for those on your list?

You aren't intruding. Many of us are friends here. There is the list. Pray as you are moved to do so. If you want something added, see Goddess.

534 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:24:56pm

re: #517 galloping granny

Tonight or tomorrow morning? Not that it matters, because it will be something different three days from now.

Haha Granny!
So unfortunately true.

535 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:25:44pm
536 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:26:02pm

re: #508 Lucius Septimius

Byron! Prisoner of Chillon - excuse me if I misspelled - and I'm sure I blew a line break or three.

My limbs are bow'd, though not with toil,
But rusted with a vile repose,
For they have been a dungeon's spoil,
And mine has been the fate of those
To whom the goodly earth and air
Are bann'd, and barr'd - forbidden fare;
But this was for my father's faith
I suffer'd chains and courted death;
That father perish'd at the stake
For tenets he would not forsake

537 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:26:20pm

re: #377 goddessoftheclassroom

Lizard Prayer List

You're all in my prayers...and Goddess, how can I participate? Do you have an email list?

538 hazzyday  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:26:25pm

How many boxes of paper did your local global warming adverse government buy this week? And do they use new trash bags every night?

Doesn't the change from global warming to climate change as the target invalidate all these global warmnig guru's. They didn't even know what they were talking about.

539 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:26:39pm

re: #536 Dianna

Byron! Prisoner of Chillon - excuse me if I misspelled - and I'm sure I blew a line break or three.

Brilliant!

I love that poem.

540 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:26:58pm

re: #471 WriterMom

Charles-I see this gibberish:

if ( $afternoon == 'Thursday' ) {
$troll = FALSE;
echo 'Here's another open thread for a sunny Thursday afternoon.';
}


On the thread header. I'm using IE. Or is that some freaky code that I cannot understand...Like is $troll the new troll?

Someone needs to go to Geeks School.
(It's Geek humor.)
// {;-)™

541 talon_262  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:27:06pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

White people love Wayne Brady 'cause he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Dave Chapelle

"It was Mooney!" - Dave Chappelle

542 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:27:07pm

re: #510 Ma Sands

I've seen that....and still been kinda mystified.....perhaps it's an illustration of what is bolded inside your link, "religious myopia".....? :)

Blinded by religious dogma. I think the tale is apocryphal, warning against letting religion blind one to one can truly be proven scientifically.

543 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:27:26pm

re: #523 goddessoftheclassroom

Please, join!

544 uncle_monkey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:27:28pm

Did somebody say DRINK!?

545 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:27:34pm

re: #519 Dianna

I was thinking Nantucket
LOL
...Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger.
They returned from the ride...
More wise and energized...

546 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:00pm

re: #408 rlevitin

I haven't really been following the whole ID/Darwinist debate on LGF... what is it about ID that makes it such a bad idea?

There's nothing wrong with the ideas of intelligent cosmic design and divine creation at all! These topics have been pondered by human thinkers for millenia and still compel and deserve our attention.

What Charles is talking about is a construct called Intelligent Design, which purports to be a hypothesis in the natural sciences but does not meet the essential criteria for being one. There are people who are trying to get it taught or discussed in science classes as if it were a scientific theory. This is a very bad idea, IMO.

547 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:14pm

re: #516 Typicalwhitey

I don't mean to intrude but how can I help you to pray for those on your list?

INTRUDE? ! Not at all! The Lizard Prayer List is for ALL so-inclined Lizards to lift up and be lifted up in prayer.

You can print out the list, save the list to review, or even load it as a screen saver, and pray as you'd like. I post it every Sunday morning and a couple of times throughout the week. I update it as soon as I get a message to do so,

I went through (and am still going through) a terrible crisis in my life in which my marriage ended horribly and painfully, and I'm on my own with two sons. The LGF community and their prayers have been such a comfort, and it is a privilege to give that comfort to others.

I know the Lord is grinning with me as I pray for y'all by your nics--HE knows who you are! :)

548 hazzyday  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:26pm

I would like to hear Medved interview the Intelligent Design professor that was here.

549 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:35pm

re: #542 jcm

Okay. Thanks. :)

550 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:52pm

re: #473 Ma Sands

(Dare I show my ignorance? Alright, it hangs out all the time, anyway..... :) --but, what is the bottom turtle standing on?)

There's no bottom turtle.

551 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:52pm

I fell so happy here with the lizards, but reality is pulling me away from keyboard. Alas!

So, I got to go now. A big hug to all the dear lizards and God bless all :)

552 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:28:55pm

re: #528 Killian Bundy

/just make sure you run it in a well ventilated area

It is outside, behind the house. A family in my area died a few days ago from carbon monoxide poisoning by running a generator in the basement of their home.

553 Tim V  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:29:30pm

Can you believe that McCain's website has a link to dailykos ? For righties he has a link to redstate and for lefties kos. Do you believe it ? All they do is mock him overthere. If he wants to link to a lefty site at least mydd had a fair amount of Hillary supportes and talkleft was almost all hillary supporters. If he wants to snag some lefty voters, he should go after the females that were for Hillary. He won't find ANY at " scew em" kos' site.

554 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:29:36pm

hunt peck nuht pcke hunt peck peck peck
is thre anyone slower than me?
see what happens if i dont dioit slowlly?

555 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:29:53pm

re: #547 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks, goddess.....you say it a million, trillion times better than my poor attempt.....

556 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:30:08pm

re: #539 Lucius Septimius

I have many Byron poems I'm not crazy about, but I like that one. Actually, I threw over Byron after attempting Manfred for the third time, and ran screaming into the arms of Keats.

557 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:30:08pm

re: #524 Lucius Septimius

Much of that wind being of his own making.

Flatulence?

558 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:30:17pm

Time to go wrangle the youngin's into bed.

Later, all.

559 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:30:19pm
560 Cognito  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:30:45pm

Well. Since nobody's gonna clue me in, I'll take a guess:

Does it mean something along the lines of, "If it's afternoon on Thursday, and a troll is a-lyin', the answer is a Thursday Afternoon Open Thread."

Oui?

Non?

561 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:00pm

re: #556 Dianna

ran screaming into the arms of Keats.

Now that's an image to cherish.

Was he comforting?

562 LeonidasOfSparta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:06pm

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

what an article at PJMedia by Berry. She calls a spade...no wait....she calls a club a club! you can't even use old poker truisms anymore. Damn.

DRINK!

563 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:12pm

re: #550 Da_Beerfreak

My stomach is falling down an elevator shaft......my imagination is too vivid.....


/ :)

564 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:22pm

re: #531 jcm

re: #464 rlevitin

I look at it this way. See if I get my thoughts straight.

The problem is us, people, humans, interpreting both the scriptural text and the physical world. In doing so we add in all the "stuff" we carry, opinions, biases, etc.... that "stuff" contaminants the "TRUTH" that is there in both.

If I am correct both the scripture, and the created world are "correct" "right" (whatever term you choose). We just need to sort it out to get to the "TRUTH" so far we are pretty miserable at it.

Another problem is that far too many people think that science is something definite or proven, something unchanging, when in point of fact science is really more like a volcano. Never the same two days in a row. What you believed day before yesterday is outmoded by yesterday's discoveries and both ideas will be disproven in a year or two. (Used to be slower before government grants and computers.)

The thing about the origin of life/earth/universe is that nobody was there who made a recording. No movie, no history book, no eyewitnesses willing to testify. Whatever you believe, it is a matter of belief, not truth, not science or history or proof.

All I can tell you is that the more hours I spent in a microscope, puzzling out chemical equations, learning to see the miraculous dance we call life - which is very like music BTW, the more convinced I became that it didn't just happen anymore than a cake magically jumps out of the oven.

565 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:33pm

re: #545 LeftJustAintRight

Sigh.

They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger.

I suspect - though I would not swear to it - that that's one of Ogden Nash's.

566 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:31:40pm

re: #537 CoCo

You're all in my prayers...and Goddess, how can I participate? Do you have an email list?

{CoCo}

See #374, #377, and #547 above.

567 Carridine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:32:01pm

re: #188 mama winger
Mama, when I was a junior in high-school in Sacramento, one of my customers was a lady who had white dogs, whose hair she'd comb off, card, and spin into thread, which she wove into sweaters... pliant, near-rough, but DURABLE sweaters...

She said it was the only breed of dog with fur that could be woven...

568 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:32:17pm

For the evening Lizards a repost of a historic event 21 years ago today.

And now the Soviets themselves may, in a limited way, be coming to understand the importance of freedom. We hear much from Moscow about a new policy of reform and openness. Some political prisoners have been released. Certain foreign news broadcasts are no longer being jammed. Some economic enterprises have been permitted to operate with greater freedom from state control.

Are these the beginnings of profound changes in the Soviet state? Or are they token gestures, intended to raise false hopes in the West, or to strengthen the Soviet system without changing it? We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace.

General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

569 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:32:47pm

re: #559 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like Shel Silverstein..... :)

570 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:32:59pm

re: #565 Dianna

I know poetry like I know flying a plane

571 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:33:50pm

It may help the discussion to observe that empirical natural science treats with efficient causes, with the chain of events whereby one contingent state of affairs acts to bring about another. Religion, on the other hand, treats with final causes, with what the aim of things are, whither they tend. That there are final causes in non-human nature is difficult to apprehend for those whose education has been of the modern sort. If we each observe ourselves, however, and our fellows, we can readily observe finality, intentionality.

Once the question of origins is raised, the attitude of seeking for efficient causes immediately gains the upper hand. This is also true once the question of development--evolution--becomes the focus. But once you shift to the question of human intentions, then these naturalistic fixations on efficient causes become just as inept as the religious speculations on finality when applied to the merely accidental and contingent sequences of material events.

This notion of intelligent design, when applied to origins, becomes very difficult to support, since the project is to lend finality to a whole range of phenomena that are today understood as contingent. The problem is complicated when this finality of intelligence is imagined to belong to and to have been imposed upon the cosmos by a supernatural person Faith may be certain, but reason will always find contradictions.

It is all very tangled, and so antagonism and demagoguery quickly arise. Much confusion and much needless contention would be avoided, however, if it were acknowledged that the mind of man is only partly nature, partly a result of the endless nexus of efficient causes; and that the mind's essence is spirit, that the mind is only at home with its own intentionality, its finality; with the community that, with the figure of the crucified, leads to the repentance of evil and its reconciliation with the good.

572 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:33:55pm

re: #570 LeftJustAintRight

I know poetry like I know flying a plane

It will never happen
LOL

573 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #400 Charles

I understand. I was raised in the Christian Church. I can't deal with the Pat Robertson's of the world. I don't even attend church. But when I look at the cosmos and how the Hubble Space Telescope has helped to make things familiar, I can't help but "know" that it did not happen by accident.

574 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #564 galloping granny

I quite agree, between course in quantum chemistry, bio-chemistry, genetics my belief in a creator as affirmed not weakened.

575 Render  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:34:06pm

re: #338 Charles

Out of curiosity...

WHATS
MY
NUMBER?,
R

576 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:34:07pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, trust me, I am not purposely trying to kiss your ass, or push brownie points, but that stuff is excellent.

I don't know about anyone else, but it stays in my mind.

I think it was Dianna commenting up thread, about listening to some bluegrass, asking suggestions, and I'll be damned if that did not come almost immediate to me.

At the very least, I want a fast recollection of this stuff.

577 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:34:09pm

re: #561 Lucius Septimius

He said, "I have been half in love with easeful death" and urged me to sit on a stone in a meadow and listen to the nightingale.

578 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:34:11pm

re: #559 buzzsawmonkey

I can't remember who wrote this one:

I give you now Professor Twist
A conscientious scientist.
Trustees exclaimed, "He never bungles!"
And sent him off to distant jungles.
Camped by a tropic riverside
One day he missed his loving bride;
She had, the guide informed him later,
Been eaten by an alligator.
Professor Twist could not but smile.
"You mean," he said, "a crocodile."

"The Purist" by Alice Meynell

579 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:34:32pm

re: #560 Cognito

Well. Since nobody's gonna clue me in, I'll take a guess:

Does it mean something along the lines of, "If it's afternoon on Thursday, and a troll is a-lyin', the answer is a Thursday Afternoon Open Thread."

Oui?

Non?

I guess I should have commented that code.

580 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:02pm

My sister emails today that power is back on after 6 days. Fence blown down, but no other real damage from the OK toronado.

On the plus side, the bother-in-law found a $100 bill blown into the shrubs. So they have that going for them.

581 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:11pm
582 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:14pm

re: #566 goddessoftheclassroom

Such a wonderful list-such a wonderful thing to do.

goddess-you'll never need to 'blue' your nic with Hashem...he knows who the messages are coming from and it's with your whole heart.

I hope my sloppy lizard gushy message makes sense. It makes sense to me!

583 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:48pm
584 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:49pm

re: #568 jcm

A thousand updings for you.

585 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:58pm

re: #575 Render

Out of curiosity...

WHATS
MY
NUMBER?,
R

You're #11,751.

586 UberInfidel67  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:35:58pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkeyEvery time you post something, it makes me wonder who you really are and what you do for a living. Is all of this off the top of your head? You crack me up! : ) Your re-worked lyrics ALWAYS get a chuckle out of me. lol Keep up the good work...I like seeing you here.

587 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:24pm

re: #573 BigJohn

I understand. I was raised in the Christian Church. I can't deal with the Pat Robertson's of the world. I don't even attend church. But when I look at the cosmos and how the Hubble Space Telescope has helped to make things familiar, I can't help but "know" that it did not happen by accident.

"When I heard the Learn’d Astronomer" by Walt Whitman


WHEN I heard the learn’d astronomer;
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them;
When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; 5
Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.

588 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:39pm

Another USAF strike in Pakistan.

589 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:40pm

re: #319 Charles

And we're currently up to 27,225.

That count the ones banned?

Speaking of the departed, anyone heard from Bob in Breckenridge since RBDJ busted him about the Stennis?

590 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:44pm

re: #573 BigJohn

I understand. I was raised in the Christian Church. I can't deal with the Pat Robertson's of the world. I don't even attend church. But when I look at the cosmos and how the Hubble Space Telescope has helped to make things familiar, I can't help but "know" that it did not happen by accident.

That's quite different from the ID movement the Large Lizard takes issues with. See my re: #454 jcm

591 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:51pm

re: #570 LeftJustAintRight

Poetry is one of the great gifts, a balm to the spirit, it piques, it pleases, it soothes and it stimulates.

Bad poetry...well.

I recommend reading some short poems as a start, if you're at all interested.

592 Cognito  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:36:59pm

re: #579 Charles

I guess I should have commented that code.

Did I get it wrong, I guess?

593 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:37:05pm

re: #574 jcm

As doctor-of-leprosy Paul Brand said, all you need to do is study the hand, or even just the thumb.....

594 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:37:12pm

re: #568 jcm

awesome.

595 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:37:52pm

re: #566 goddessoftheclassroom

Wonderful...I just wasn't sure if you captured requests here or via an email list.

Please add my mother to the list...she has been paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health issues that may be tricky to deal with.

596 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:37:56pm

re: #493 Dianna

I'll engage in competitive poetry quotations, if you like.

I hate to admit it but, all poetry is Vogon to me.
// Grabs towel and runs for cover {;-)™

597 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:38:04pm

re: #553 Tim V

Can you believe that McCain's website has a link to dailykos ? For righties he has a link to redstate and for lefties kos. Do you believe it ? All they do is mock him overthere. If he wants to link to a lefty site at least mydd had a fair amount of Hillary supportes and talkleft was almost all hillary supporters. If he wants to snag some lefty voters, he should go after the females that were for Hillary. He won't find ANY at " scew em" kos' site.

The McCain campaign is sending out cheap McCain 2008 bumper stickers. If you put one on crooked you can't peel it of and straighten it. Funny, but mine just happens to have a slant to the left...

598 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:38:07pm
599 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:38:07pm

Charles
I have looked and can't find out
How many members here ?

600 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:38:08pm

I'm going to go out on a limb and say my LGF id badge number is 147. Because I don't think I made the mystical 47.

601 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:38:46pm

re: #591 Dianna

I should if only to get the 8 year old started

602 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:39:31pm

Oooh! Oooh oooh oooh! Mistah Kottah! I mean, Mistah Johnson! What's my lizard serial ID?

(I bet you're regretting having raised the subject, no?)

603 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:39:35pm

re: #595 CoCo

Wonderful...I just wasn't sure if you captured requests here or via an email list.

Please add my mother to the list...she has been paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health issues that may be tricky to deal with.

I'm so sorry. I've take care of the addition.

604 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:39:56pm

re: #581 buzzsawmonkey

Well, maybe I've been blessed, then, to never have come across, as I thought I would have liked to, anything other than the book of his someone gave my kids so many years ago, Where the Sidewalk Ends..... :)


/ goddess already got my face blushing red, coming up with the correct answer.... :)

605 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:40:48pm

re: #596 Da_Beerfreak

I don't worry about it. I never really understood algebra; I'm sure it's a character flaw, but I regard poetry blindness and algebra-blindness as much the same thing.

606 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:05pm

Charles, if you want to search for a particular lizard, and find out what their status is, or when they were last around...is the only way through the advanced search? It would be cool if we could view someone's status, or last comment alphabetically through their nic...and that would eliminate the 'where's so-and-so' comments...or is that too tall an order?

607 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:11pm
608 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:22pm

re: #573 BigJohn

I understand. I was raised in the Christian Church. I can't deal with the Pat Robertson's of the world. I don't even attend church. But when I look at the cosmos and how the Hubble Space Telescope has helped to make things familiar, I can't help but "know" that it did not happen by accident.

Here is an article in Wikipedia that helped me understand this better:

Wedge Strategy

The article contains other informative links.

609 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:27pm

re: #598 buzzsawmonkey

Bated breath.

I know I beat a dead horse at times, but there is know doubt in my mind, there are posters here who have just as much wit, and ability as any team of writers for Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, etc.

I swear, if there was a way to do some type of LGF internet tv or something, it would be pure gold.

Don't get me wrong, in no way disparaging what we have here, more in an entertainment realm.

610 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:46pm

re: #589 razorbacker
Did he fib about being in the Navy?

611 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:41:59pm

re: #571 ContraJihadi

... and that the mind's essence is spirit, that the mind is only at home with its own intentionality ...

Very nice essay, CJ.

But I'd say my mind is at home with objective science, as well.

612 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:05pm

Shades of NTH

For all the asshats blabbering about how a Paleostinian can't maim or kill somebody with these things, I dare you to stand in front of this and take it. Shoot the bastard. Sorry, but that's how I feel. And that F*ckwad isn't an effin' "protester". Damn that makes me mad.

613 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #601 LeftJustAintRight

If you'd like some suggestions, I'm sure goddess has a little list.

614 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:13pm

re: #559 buzzsawmonkey

Edward Lear?

615 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:18pm

OT: GO LAKERS!

616 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:41pm

re: #609 formercorpsman

I have a voice for print; a face for radio; so it's no wonder I'm here...

617 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:48pm

re: #609 formercorpsman

Bated breath.

I know I beat a dead horse at times, but there is know doubt in my mind, there are posters here who have just as much wit, and ability as any team of writers for Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, etc.

I swear, if there was a way to do some type of LGF internet tv or something, it would be pure gold.

Don't get me wrong, in no way disparaging what we have here, more in an entertainment realm.

yes, I no.

618 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:53pm

re: #547 goddessoftheclassroom

INTRUDE? ! Not at all! The Lizard Prayer List is for ALL so-inclined Lizards to lift up and be lifted up in prayer.

You can print out the list, save the list to review, or even load it as a screen saver, and pray as you'd like. I post it every Sunday morning and a couple of times throughout the week. I update it as soon as I get a message to do so,

I went through (and am still going through) a terrible crisis in my life in which my marriage ended horribly and painfully, and I'm on my own with two sons. The LGF community and their prayers have been such a comfort, and it is a privilege to give that comfort to others.

I know the Lord is grinning with me as I pray for y'all by your nics--HE knows who you are! :)


Thank you. I didn't know if this was done as a group or what.
I shall look for your next list!

619 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:42:57pm

re: #600 lawhawk

Mystical 47? Ooooh. Now I wanna know.

I bet the first registered people were zulubaby, and some other folks who are ahem-no longer 'with us'.

620 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:13pm

re: #593 Ma Sands

As doctor-of-leprosy Paul Brand said, all you need to do is study the hand, or even just the thumb.....

I remember a lecture in Bio-chem, tedious detail into the chemistry energetics, of protein construction from DNA. All the steps, the various chemicals, amino acids, involved. The depth of understand science had in how it worked is phenomenal, the kicker was the prof admitting that evolution of the system was problematic.

621 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:22pm

re: #609 formercorpsman

Bated breath.

I know I beat a dead horse at times, but there is know doubt in my mind, there are posters here who have just as much wit, and ability as any team of writers for Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, etc.

I swear, if there was a way to do some type of LGF internet tv or something, it would be pure gold.

Don't get me wrong, in no way disparaging what we have here, more in an entertainment realm.

Internet TV... what would that be?

622 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:25pm

Something is very rotten at Sean Hannity's web site:

[Link: forums.hannity.com...]

623 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:45pm

re: #619 WriterMom

Mystical 47? Ooooh. Now I wanna know.

I bet the first registered people were zulubaby, and some other folks who are ahem-no longer 'with us'.

I like your avatar... I'm trying to find something equally sweet.

624 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:51pm

Hey Charles,

Just a matter of curiosity, who is the Oldest lizard still active, that is beside yourself?

625 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:51pm

Picture: Burqa-shrouded suicide bomber shot by Afghan police in Helmand

“He was shot in the forehead after he ignored warning shots and was killed on the spot,” said Hussain Andiwal, provincial police chief. “When we took off his burqa we found he was a man with a suicide vest tied around his body.”

“It was an 18 volt battery concealed under his clothes,” said a spokesman for ISAF, the International Security Assistance Force.

How embarrassing.

/bet he won't try that again

626 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:43:54pm

re: #606 WriterMom

Click on their avatar, it will tell you their status (logged in, not logged in or blocked)and there is a recent comments button on that page to give you their comments for the last 7 days

627 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:16pm

re: #610 pingjockey

Did he fib about being in the Navy?

I don't know about that. But he said his son was born in '82 while he was on the Stennis and RBDJ mentioned that the Stennis wasn't commissioned until later.

628 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:17pm

re: #400 Charles

I

'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists

Charles, no offense, but I think that comparison's a bit... stretched. I haven't noticed any ID proponents flying planes into skyscrapers, etc. I agree that they promote bad science; but islamofascists... I mean, really.

629 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:19pm

re: #587 goddessoftheclassroom

"There will be two kinds of people in the end: Those that will say to God 'Thy will be done' and those to whom God will say 'Thy will be done.'" -
-- C.S. Lewis

630 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:20pm
631 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:28pm

re: #620 jcm

Absolutely. To say the least. :)

632 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:43pm

re: #573 BigJohn

I understand. I was raised in the Christian Church. I can't deal with the Pat Robertson's of the world. I don't even attend church. But when I look at the cosmos and how the Hubble Space Telescope has helped to make things familiar, I can't help but "know" that it did not happen by accident.

I will stay out of the ID debate but can't resist mentioning that I have at times been told that I can't possibly contemplate the universe with awe because I do not believe a god created it. I find that a very presumptuous attitude. Because so many of you "know" there is a god in the sky responsible for everything does not invalidate those of us who do not believe as you do.

633 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:47pm

Late to the show, missed the first several acts, and only made it to comment #40 or so...

Am I to understand that McCain has thrown down the gauntlet and has gone on the offensive against Obama?

...back to reading comments.

634 sparrowlake  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:44:48pm

Good evening, lizards.

635 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:45:06pm

re: #587 goddessoftheclassroom

That's beautiful Goddess. It's funny that reading Carl Sagan was how I was hooked. He's a devout atheist.

636 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:45:25pm

re: #626 Neo Con since 9-11

I know, I'm talking about longer gaps...like when you haven't seen a lizard for a few months and everyone asks 'have you seen' whoever...not just the past week...I love the spy though.

637 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #616 lawhawk

It's funny lawhawk, I actually DJ as a hobby, so I think I have a pretty good tone.

Photogenic, well, that may be another issue.

But we have so many people here that are so damn quick, it amazes me.

638 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:45:33pm

On the subject of poetry, I get a lot of ARCs from small publishing houses and it amazes me what passes for poetry these days. I'd call it "stream of consciousness" (apologies to Virginia Wolff) before I'd call it poetry...pffft!

639 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:15pm

re: #622 Charles

Something is very rotten at Sean Hannity's web site:

[Link: forums.hannity.com...]

Didn't a Peter Griffin get the ban stick here a while back?

640 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:21pm

re: #314 Grammy Cracker

Yikes, Grammy! I'm glad you & your household are okay.

641 Stringart  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:35pm

Breaking news....

Mohamed's been copyrighted, or at least notice to copyright has been filed in Canada.

two weeks ago, Akhtar "Hector" Agha has indeed registered a "Restriction on Depiction of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)". It's right there on the government website.

And in a completely shocking development, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference has their sticky fingers all over this.

642 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:38pm

re: #635 BigJohn

That's beautiful Goddess. It's funny that reading Carl Sagan was how I was hooked. He's a devout atheist.

It's one of my all-time favorites and definitely my Favorite Whitman.

When I read it out loud with my students, I always get teary. It's okay because they know how I am...

643 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:45pm

re: #623 rlevitin

Thanks-you can search google images for stuff like it-hamsas, Magen David's etc...and then LIBERATE them from the page.

644 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:46pm

re: #593 Ma Sands

As doctor-of-leprosy Paul Brand said, all you need to do is study the hand, or even just the thumb.....

I would take it even smaller than that Ma. I wish I could show you a book I got my grandchild - about Microbiology and instead of using traditional microscope slides, they used micrographs from a SEM (scanning electron microscope) that gives you a 3D picture of a single cell. Unbelievably stupendous.

645 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:46:54pm

I know that I'm from the first day, as is Outlaw_Wizard.

646 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:47:05pm

Walton!

647 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:47:24pm

re: #591 Dianna
I never saw a purple cow
I never hope to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one.

Is that poetry or just doggerel?

648 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:47:49pm

re: #619 WriterMom

Actually, I was hoping to use "reverse psychology" to end up with #42 (which from hitchhiker's guide is the ultimate answer to everything). Since I probably wasn't in the first hundred, i'd go with the next closest, which would be 142.

649 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:48:02pm

re: #621 rlevitin

I figment of my imagination I'm sure.

650 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:48:36pm

re: #628 Occasional Reader

Charles, no offense, but I think that comparison's a bit... stretched. I haven't noticed any ID proponents flying planes into skyscrapers, etc. I agree that they promote bad science; but islamofascists... I mean, really.

My point is that fundamental Islamists are also opposed to science and evolution (as in, they kill people for advocating it). There are quite a few posts at MEMRI on this issue -- and the Islamofascists' statements on evolution are almost identical to the Discovery Institute's propaganda.

651 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:48:41pm

re: #647 Jim in Virginia

I never saw a purple cow
I never hope to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one.

Is that poetry or just doggerel?

As I tell my students, anyone can write a poem, but that doesn't make it poetry.

I'm a pretty tough audience to please, and I don't give a toss for their self-esteem!

652 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:48:46pm

re: #644 galloping granny

I can believe it..... :)

653 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:02pm

re: #625 Killian Bundy

nice!

654 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:25pm
655 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:34pm

re: #552 Grammy Cracker

It is outside, behind the house. A family in my area died a few days ago from carbon monoxide poisoning by running a generator in the basement of their home.


after katrina, my old neighbor (bastid, glad I moved) moved his portable generator from his backyard (like everybody else had ) to the side of hi house so it was less noisy for him, but the side of his house was by my bedroom! Mrs. Pax kept me from reverting to my old Army form....

656 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:43pm

re: #400 Charles

We live in a world where "An Inconvenient Truth" is shown in classes and Global Warming is taught as if it was science, while an interesting idea known as Intelligent Design can not even be presented as an interesting idea.
I think both Global Warming and Intelligent Design are interesting ideas, not science, and can't see the harm in them being presented in the classroom as such. Even in Science class. The really good teachers like ideas, even things that have yet to proven as true or false. It's fun to be able to say to a classroom of excited faces, "This is what you are going to have to figure out in your life. We don't know all the answers yet." It gives the children a feeling that they have something to look forward to in their lives, that their parents and teachers don't have all of the answers.
Just my .02

657 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:44pm

re: #638 CoCo

It's just painful, isn't it?

658 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:51pm

re: #650 Charles

Okay.

SO WHAT'S MY NUMBER? PUHLEEEEZE.....

659 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:49:54pm

Drudge is running with this, and I'm sure that those who had relatives who served in WWII would get pissed over this.

The beech trees of Saint Pierre de Varengeville-Duclair forest bore a poignant testimony to the D-Day landings for more than six decades. Thousands of American soldiers stationed there after the liberation of Normandy spent their spare hours with a knife or bayonet creating a lasting reminder of their presence.

Although the trees grew and the graffiti swelled and twisted, this most peculiar memory of one of the 20th century’s defining moments remained visible - until now. Amid bureaucratic indifference and a dispute between officials and the forest owner, most of the trees have been felled, chopped up and turned into paper.

Claude Quétel, a French historian and Second World War specialist, was horrified when he discovered what he called a catastrophe and a shameless act. “It is a typically French failing to wipe out the traces of the past,” he told The Times. “I am indignant.”

660 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:25pm
661 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:39pm

"Snakes... why'd it have to be snakes?"

-I. Jones

662 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:40pm

re: #611 itellu3times

Very nice essay, CJ.

But I'd say my mind is at home with objective science, as well.

Oh yes, it's a both-and situation. I'll just suggest that what is objective about empirical science is its 3rd-person view from externality. When, however, you want the 1st-person view of interiority, the spiritual traditions will "fit" better.

Of course, I do have a dog in this race, and he looks like my avatar . The absolute concept is both the internal and the external. Empirical observation is one moment of this truth; the history of spirit is another. Their foundation in logic, which is the very essence of thought, mediates these two moments.

663 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:41pm

re: #647 Jim in Virginia

Inspired doggerel.

What about this?

So much depends upon
a red wheelbarrow, glazed with rainwater,
Beside the white chickens.

664 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:44pm

re: #563 Ma Sands

My stomach is falling down an elevator shaft......my imagination is too vivid.....


/ :)

Then you're on the right track.
// {;-)™

665 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:54pm

re: #654 ploome hineni

FIST PUMP YOUR DAP!

y'all

Is that legal?

666 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:50:58pm

re: #627 razorbacker
OOPS!

667 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:51:09pm

re: #658 Occasional Reader

LOL...you're a geezer here.

668 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:51:12pm

re: #654 ploome hineni

FIST PUMP YOUR DAP!

y'all

Whoa! That's kind of . . . random.

669 Winslow  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:51:27pm

To the tune of Camptown Races
(With apologies to Stephen Foster,
and special apologies to buzzsawmonkey)

Buzzsaw Poems

De buzzsawmonkey writes de song – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey writes dem all day long – all d’buzzsaw day!
De monkey’s rhyme is always strong – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey’s scansion ne’er goes wrong – all d’buzzsaw day!

Gwine to rhyme all night! Gwine to scan all day!
I’ll bet my money on de buzzsaw-wag, dere be a lyric, today!

De buzzsawmonkey writes de po’m – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey brings it all d’way home – all d’buzzsaw way!
De monkey writes another po’m – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
And den he do bring dat one home – all d’buzzsaw way!

Gwine to rhyme all night! Gwine to scan all day!
I’ll bet my money on de buzzsaw-wag, dere be a sonnet, today!

De monkey’s versed in prosody – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
He likes to write de parody – all d’buzzsaw day!
You read de monkey’s comedy – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
You laugh all day at what you see – all d’buzzsaw day!

Gwine to laugh all night! Gwine to laugh all day!
I win my money on de buzzsaw-wag: dere be a ballad, today!

670 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:51:32pm

re: #622 Charles

Something is very rotten at Sean Hannity's web site:

[Link: forums.hannity.com...]

WTH is that all about?

Memo to one of the commenters: I believe Rand was OK with Goldwater, but try to put her in the same boat with Buchanan and Buckley and you'd get an extended explanation of why she wanted nothing to do with either of them.

671 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:51:35pm

re: #658 Occasional Reader

Okay.

SO WHAT'S MY NUMBER? PUHLEEEEZE.....

Whoa, dude. You're #114.

Occasional, my left butt cheek.

672 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:52:29pm

re: #630 buzzsawmonkey

Goddess identified it in #578; Alice Mynell.

Lear's language is much more Victorian. I was a big Lear fan as a kid. Gilbert & Sullivan, too; I remember writing a comic opera of Rumpelstiltskin in eighth grade, or thereabouts, modeled on G&S.

Do you by any chance know the Goops?
Theodore (?Thomas?) Burgess, I think.

673 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:52:35pm

re: #667 WriterMom

LOL...you're a geezer here.

You know it. I'm kind of wondering... how many who still post regularly are "older" than I am?

674 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:52:43pm

re: #669 Winslow

Yes sir, you as well.

I had your name on the tip of my tongue, but it eluded me.

675 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:52:46pm

re: #663 Dianna

Inspired doggerel.

What about this?

So much depends upon
a red wheelbarrow, glazed with rainwater,
Beside the white chickens.

I. HATE. THAT. POEM! ! !

It was in the anthology I used, and I assigned it as part of an independent study unit. I wanted my students to see for themselves that they could identify nonsense when they saw it, even if it was in a book.

(I apologize if this is one of your personal favorites.)

676 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:52:56pm

I'm sure it's been mentioned but I'm rather pleasantly surprised that Lindsey Graham is angered over the stupid ussc decision. I sort of expected quiet acquiescence from him.re: #659 lawhawk

Drudge is running with this, and I'm sure that those who had relatives who served in WWII would get pissed over this.

My dad was in the 101st. He never liked the French and is probably not surprised by this move. He insisted that my brother and I study French in HS so that we would be able to understand the sneaky things

677 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:07pm

Purty please...what's mine and zulubaby's...I'll e-mail her....

678 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:13pm
679 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:15pm

re: #671 Charles

Whoa, dude. You're #114.

Occasional, my left butt cheek.

Since you're going to get asked anyway, what's everybody's number?

(I may be walking on very thin ice here).

680 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:17pm

re: #671 Charles

Occasional, my left butt cheek.

Okay, I'm looking. What about it?

681 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:36pm

re: #669 Winslow

Ha! Great! :)

682 Josephine  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:53:42pm

re: #327 FamHistoryGuy

I read them so long ago. I don't know if I'd still enjoy them.

I tried to re-read Anne of Green Gables as an adult and I couldn't get past the florid descriptions of every flower and plant on Prince Edward Island. Blech. (I think I just committed a hate crime against Canada. Please forgive me, LMM.)

On the other hand, I re-read the "White Mountains" trilogy a year or so ago and, even thought they were written for a (much) younger audience, I felt they stood the test of time and thoroughly enjoyed them.

683 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:04pm

re: #673 Occasional Reader

Older than Charles' left butt cheek? Does such a beast exist (better not be me)...hahahahaha

684 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:05pm

re: #669 Winslow

To the tune of Camptown Races
(With apologies to Stephen Foster,
and special apologies to buzzsawmonkey)

Buzzsaw Poems

De buzzsawmonkey writes de song – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey writes dem all day long – all d’buzzsaw day!
De monkey’s rhyme is always strong – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey’s scansion ne’er goes wrong – all d’buzzsaw day!

Gwine to rhyme all night! Gwine to scan all day!
I’ll bet my money on de buzzsaw-wag, dere be a lyric, today!

De buzzsawmonkey writes de po’m – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
De monkey brings it all d’way home – all d’buzzsaw way!
De monkey writes another po’m – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
And den he do bring dat one home – all d’buzzsaw way!

Gwine to rhyme all night! Gwine to scan all day!
I’ll bet my money on de buzzsaw-wag, dere be a sonnet, today!

De monkey’s versed in prosody – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
He likes to write de parody – all d’buzzsaw day!
You read de monkey’s comedy – buzzsaw! buzzsaw!
You laugh all day at what you see – all d’buzzsaw day!

Gwine to laugh all night! Gwine to laugh all day!
I win my money on de buzzsaw-wag: dere be a ballad, today!

(standing in awe and applauding) Bravo. I hope some day to feature in one of your works of art,

685 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:14pm

re: #671 Charles

I'm snickering.

686 Stringart  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:22pm

re: #660 buzzsawmonkey

You know it's nonsense, I know it's nonsense and I'm pretty sure whoever is in charge of copyrights and trade marks knows this. Hector and his cohorts in lawfare probably also know this but as the saying goes, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

But who knows, maybe someone will screw up and copyright the dead pedophile. Stranger things have happened.

687 infidelia[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:30pm
688 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:31pm
689 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:54:40pm

re: #662 ContraJihadi

Oh yes, it's a both-and situation. I'll just suggest that what is objective about empirical science is its 3rd-person view from externality. When, however, you want the 1st-person view of interiority, the spiritual traditions will "fit" better.

Of course, I do have a dog in this race, and he looks like my avatar . The absolute concept is both the internal and the external. Empirical observation is one moment of this truth; the history of spirit is another. Their foundation in logic, which is the very essence of thought, mediates these two moments.

I'm very big on efficient causation, and very small on other sorts. Pull my string on it sometime, probably best offline. You seem rather good at this, you have a professional interest?

690 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:01pm
691 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:09pm

I guess new avatars don't work retroactively

692 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:24pm

re: #647 Jim in Virginia

I never saw a purple cow
I never hope to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'd rather see than be one.

Is that poetry or just doggerel?

That was T. Burgess ! The Goop man.
And he also wrote:

Ah yes, I wrote "The Purple Cow."
I'm sorry now I wrote it.
But I can tell you anyhow
I'll kill you if you quote it!

693 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:26pm

re: #675 goddessoftheclassroom

I happen to enjoy it, but it's no skin off my nose if you don't share my opinion. I like the image.

694 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #659 lawhawk

Makes me ill.

695 Render  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:40pm

re: #680 Occasional Reader

Make no cracks.

LEFT
CHEEK
SNEAK,
R

696 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:55:45pm

re: #687 infidelia

I think Pakistan is a festering shithole..but I don't approve of the term that you used as a short form.

697 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:06pm

re: #691 rlevitin

I guess new avatars don't work retroactively


Click refresh, grasshopper, and all will be revealed.

698 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:14pm

re: #682 Josephine

I read them so long ago. I don't know if I'd still enjoy them.

I tried to re-read Anne of Green Gables as an adult and I couldn't get past the florid descriptions of every flower and plant on Prince Edward Island. Blech. (I think I just committed a hate crime against Canada. Please forgive me, LMM.)

On the other hand, I re-read the "White Mountains" trilogy a year or so ago and, even thought they were written for a (much) younger audience, I felt they stood the test of time and thoroughly enjoyed them.

I ADORE all the "Anne" books as well as almost everything else by L.M. Montgomery, but then I love 19th century literature. I appreciate that the expositions and descriptions are not to contemporary tastes.

699 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:24pm
700 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:37pm

re: #687 infidelia

No confirmation yet that I know of.

701 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:39pm

re: #585 Charles

You're #11,751.

Charles, if you have time for one more request all this talk of ID numbers has got my curiosity going.
Thanks
// {;-)™

702 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:42pm

re: #641 Stringart

Breaking news....

Mohamed's been copyrighted, or at least notice to copyright has been filed in Canada.

And in a completely shocking development, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference has their sticky fingers all over this.

Since he did not originate Mohamed, nor is Mo newly created and since there are extant works even in the muslim world depciting Mo, I don't believe it can be copyrighted. Certainly could not be copyrighted under US law. And they cannot trademark him either.

703 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:50pm

IV. Death by Water


Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,
Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep sea swell
And the profit and loss.
A current under sea
Picked his bones in whispers. As he rose and fell
He passes the stages of his age and youth
Entering the whirlpool.
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

704 Roentgen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:53pm

re: #598 buzzsawmonkey

re: #606 WriterMom

Clearly this is an important place for a lot of folks.

Tip 'o the hat to one Stinky Beaumont for making it so.

705 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:56:57pm
706 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:57:04pm

re: #627 razorbacker

I don't know about that. But he said his son was born in '82 while he was on the Stennis and RBDJ mentioned that the Stennis wasn't commissioned until later.


mmmm.that's a big nono for service/prior service. That's the military's social equivalent of a molester...not looked kindly upon. I hate posers myself...

707 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:57:23pm
708 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:57:44pm

re: #632 infidelia

I will stay out of the ID debate but can't resist mentioning that I have at times been told that I can't possibly contemplate the universe with awe because I do not believe a god created it. I find that a very presumptuous attitude. Because so many of you "know" there is a god in the sky responsible for everything does not invalidate those of us who do not believe as you do.

No, it does not invalidate you at all. You believe what you wish. That is the way it should be. I was passing along what I believe.

709 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:57:48pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

White people love Wayne Brady 'cause he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Dave Chapelle

Someone has likely pointed this out alread, but it was Mooney, not Chapelle, who said that [super funny NSFW]

...I'm still playing catch-up with the thread...

710 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:57:56pm
711 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:58:25pm

re: #705 ploome hineni

like, any good news today?

spent hours outside in 100 degree temp,with the fire marshal who thinks I need to get a city inspector over to my property

I am wiped out,and anxious

and I come here, looking for solace and good news

Greets and Saluts, and a fist pump dap, y'all

{ploome hineni}
That's what we Lizards are here for.

712 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:58:31pm

re: #663 Dianna
That's very, ahh, interesting. Wierod but hard to forget.

713 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:59:02pm

re: #703 Occasional Reader

The Wasteland!

714 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:59:14pm
715 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:59:14pm

re: #697 EC Marm

Click refresh, grasshopper, and all will be revealed.

I did, but only new posts show it, my old posts are still footballs, not that it matters all that much.

716 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 6:59:34pm

re: #612 SasquatchOnSteroids

Think Goliath.

717 jaunte  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:00:33pm

I'm taller than Phlebas
Not that it matters;
One day we're all
Horizon tall.

718 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:00:45pm
719 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:00:53pm

re: #712 Jim in Virginia

Which is why - pace, Goddess! - I consider it poetry, and rather good poetry.

720 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:00:54pm
721 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:01:01pm

re: #706 paxnhymn

I'm not saying he was a poser. But instead of saying, "Stennis, my bad, I meant Old Ironsides" or whatever he just...poof.

Which is kinda sad for me, cause I liked ragging on him. Easy to get going.

722 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:01:50pm

re: #718 buzzsawmonkey

That's just fine.

723 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:02pm

re: #678 buzzsawmonkey
Nothing at all wrong with doggerel.
How do you make a cat sound like a dog?
Matches.
Gas.
WOOF!

/runs and hides from goddess)

724 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:05pm

re: #705 ploome hineni

like, any good news today?

spent hours outside in 100 degree temp,with the fire marshal who thinks I need to get a city inspector over to my property

I am wiped out,and anxious

and I come here, looking for solace and good news

Greets and Saluts, and a fist pump dap, y'all

Ack! sorry about your trials and tribulations with the fire marshal. I'm sure he's an idiot, and no one needs to spend hours in 100 degree temps.

725 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:09pm

"Terrorist Fist Jab" Anchor E.D. Hill Loses Her Show

TVNewser reports that E.D. Hill, who hosts "America's Pulse" — and who raised many eyebrows this week after calling Barack and Michelle Obama's fist-pound a "terrorist fist jab" — has lost her show

Fox News slammed over "Obama's baby mama" jibe

During an interview with conservative commentator Michelle Malkin on a Republican video attacking Michelle Obama, the network repeatedly flashed up a graphic describing the prospective first lady as "Obama's baby mama".

/fair and balanced

726 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:11pm

re: #719 Dianna

Which is why - pace, Goddess! - I consider it poetry, and rather good poetry.

Fair enough! :)

(I was born in the wrong century...)

727 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:13pm

re: #656 EC Marm

We live in a world where "An Inconvenient Truth" is shown in classes and Global Warming is taught as if it was science, while an interesting idea known as Intelligent Design can not even be presented as an interesting idea.
I think both Global Warming and Intelligent Design are interesting ideas, not science, and can't see the harm in them being presented in the classroom as such. Even in Science class. The really good teachers like ideas, even things that have yet to proven as true or false. It's fun to be able to say to a classroom of excited faces, "This is what you are going to have to figure out in your life. We don't know all the answers yet." It gives the children a feeling that they have something to look forward to in their lives, that their parents and teachers don't have all of the answers.
Just my .02

Not to mention that in science class we present all kinds of ideas that people once thought were absolute truth. You've learned them yourself in science class. Remember how people once thought that maggots spontaneously arose from meat?

728 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:25pm
729 stevieray  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:31pm

re: #706 paxnhymn

Is there a penalty in here for someone who fakes military service? Beyond shunning, I mean..

730 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:38pm

re: #723 Jim in Virginia

Nothing at all wrong with doggerel.
How do you make a cat sound like a dog?
Matches.
Gas.
WOOF!

/runs and hides from goddess)

I'm giggling here!

731 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:02:51pm

re: #605 Dianna

I don't worry about it. I never really understood algebra; I'm sure it's a character flaw, but I regard poetry blindness and algebra-blindness as much the same thing.

Might be some sort of a tradeoff thing.
I'm fairly good at calculus and really enjoy statistics.
// {;-)™

732 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:03:16pm

Nite everyone
Obama / Carter 08 !
Have Fun

733 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:03:20pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

Oh, ploome!

What are you going to do?

734 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:01pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

thanks GOdess

and

I got a speeding ticket, driving 46 mph in 30 mile zone
no seatbelt

$257.00

I refuse to go to court

sounds like you need a drink and maybe a hug.
hug

735 Geepers  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:20pm

Occasional Reader (#673),

You know it. I'm kind of wondering... how many who still post regularly are "older" than I am?

Me.

736 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:21pm

re: #725 Killian Bundy
They still have a looooong way to go to catch up with Uberdork. I watched a 10 minutes of his show. It may as well be DNC talking points tv.

737 Roentgen  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:24pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

thanks GOdess

and

I got a speeding ticket, driving 46 mph in 30 mile zone
no seatbelt

$257.00

I refuse to go to court

Hire one of those attorneys who specialize in traffic tickets. You will likely walk away with a clean record, and hopefully, sleep just as well.

738 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:32pm

re: #720 ploome hineni
*pouring ploome a very strong drink*
/ booze/no booze?

739 esch  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:34pm

Hey all

740 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:04:50pm
741 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:05:01pm

re: #726 goddessoftheclassroom

To comfort you, I will quote Frost:

Writing poetry without rhyme and meter is like playing tennis without a net.

And that is a perfectly fair statement, too.

742 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:05:11pm

re: #729 stevieray
He'll get a blanket party by us vets!

743 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:05:22pm

Alright, well, I think I've killed enough time here, I will see you all tomorrow... even if you don't necessarily see me!

/mwahahahaha

744 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:00pm

Puedo escribir los versos más tristes esta noche.
Escribir, por ejemplo : 'La noche está estrellada,
y tiritan, azules, los astros, a lo lejos'.

745 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:18pm

re: #700 Yankee Division Son

No confirmation yet that I know of.

Well, let's keep trying until we get it right.

746 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:20pm

re: #734 reine.de.tout

sounds like you need a drink and maybe a hug.
hug

I'll pour! Whatcha havin'? ( I had a crappy day, too)

747 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:36pm

re: #729 stevieray

Is there a penalty in here for someone who fakes military service? Beyond shunning, I mean..

They get a new nic....
Halp us Jon Cary.

748 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:49pm
749 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:55pm

The Goops they lick their fingers.
The Goops they lick their knives.
They spill their broth on the tablecloth.
Oh, they live disgusting lives!

The Goops they talk while eating
And loud and fast they chew.
And that is why I'm glad that I
Am not a Goop. Are YOU?


That's the only one I remember.....to lazy to go upstairs for the book!

750 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:06:59pm

re: #740 buzzsawmonkey

Nowadays, we know better. They spontaneously arise from ACORN voter registration drives.

ROFLMAO!

And on that note I think I shall go off to bed and finish reading Death Du Jour.

751 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:07:11pm

re: #741 Dianna

To comfort you, I will quote Frost:

Writing poetry without rhyme and meter is like playing tennis without a net.

And that is a perfectly fair statement, too.

I offered my students a bonus opportunity: write a sonnet with correct meter, rhyme scheme, and style.

They thought, "Fourteen lines? What's so hard?"

BWAH! HA! HA!

752 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:07:30pm

re: #747 jcm
That is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

753 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:07:46pm

re: #746 SpartanWoman

I'll pour! Whatcha havin'? ( I had a crappy day, too)

My Friday the 13th came today too.

754 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:09pm

re: #729 stevieray

If there ain't, there oughtabe.

755 sparrowlake  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:14pm

I never give you my number.

756 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:20pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Going out on a thin limb, here. Pablo Neruda? I have just enough Spanish to catch a translation I read once, "Tonight I can only write the saddest verses..."

757 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:35pm

re: #746 SpartanWoman

I'll pour! Whatcha havin'? ( I had a crappy day, too)

It's Ploome who had the crappy day - but I'll join ya'll!

Scotch.

758 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:41pm

re: #729 stevieray

Is there a penalty in here for someone who fakes military service? Beyond shunning, I mean..

This is definitely not the place to try to fake military service. Far too many current and former military here. Kind of like walking into Paris Island and trying to pass as a Marine.

759 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:45pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Puedo escribir los versos más tristes esta noche.
Escribir, por ejemplo : 'La noche está estrellada,
y tiritan, azules, los astros, a lo lejos'.

Estrellada, noche estrellada.
Su paleta de pintura azul y gris,
Busque en un día de verano,
Con los ojos saber que la oscuridad en mi alma.
Sombras en las colinas,
Sketch los árboles y las daffodils,
A la caza del viento y el frío invierno,
En colores en la ropa de tierra cubierto de nieve.


Okay I cheated

760 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:46pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Ruben Dario ?

761 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:46pm

re: #696 WriterMom

I think Pakistan is a festering shithole..but I don't approve of the term that you used as a short form.

Sorry. Would Islam-ridden-assholes be a better choice?

762 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:51pm

re: #752 pingjockey

And a redeeming factor, for my beleaguered MN, since the soldiers came from here..... :)

763 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:08:55pm
764 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:09:34pm

re: #752 pingjockey

That is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

I would love to hang a copy in his office.

765 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:09:37pm

re: #751 goddessoftheclassroom

Ooooh, I think I'd demur. It's a fine thing to know one's limitations.

766 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:09:39pm

I don't know enough about British politics to comment, but what?

By NickM in Britain, Human Rights/Human Freedoms, Politics, Sometimes they get it right Jun 12

This just in...

The Shadow Home Secretary has resigned not just from the shadow cabinet but as an MP as well. There’s going to be a by-election. I watched his speech in front of the Commons live. He will stand entirely on a platform of traditional British Freedoms. Not just the 42 day detention for “terror suspects” passed yesterday but the whole nine yards, ID cards, CCTV, the Database State - everything. The Lib Dems are not fielding a candidate against him. Apparently Cameron is furious. Cameron, you see, is trying his level best not to look soft on terrorism even if it means not being crystal clear about repealing the 42 day law which, he himself, yesterday described as “Draconian and useless”. Spineless, unprincipled twerp that he is. I always said the Tories should have selected Davis as leader instead.

[Link: www.countingcats.com...]

Respect DD! Guy Fawkes may have been the only man to enter Parliament with honest intentions. It would appear you have left it in a similar manner.

Well, I know about Guy Fawkes. But does this mean that some push-back is coming?

767 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:09:45pm
768 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:09:54pm

re: #721 razorbacker
I keep meaning to tell you that I'm a Razorback, too! WPS!

769 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:18pm

re: #751 goddessoftheclassroom

Did any succeed?

770 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:21pm

re: #753 David IV of Georgia

Thank you! Those are my favorite, special days, and I didn't even know one was coming up 'til you mentioned it! Oh, joy! :)


/ easily pleased :)

771 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #757 reine.de.tout

It's Ploome who had the crappy day - but I'll join ya'll!

Scotch.

I'm usually not the "have a drink" type but, I feel very lousy. Scotch sounds good.

772 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:50pm

re: #765 Dianna

Ooooh, I think I'd demur. It's a fine thing to know one's limitations.

It was a great exercise for them--it really helped them appreciate why we still study Shakespeare. Some of the kids came up with some amazing poems, too.

773 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:51pm

re: #762 Ma Sands
That is right! Weren't they Nat'l Guard troops? That picture would've made a great billboard. Hell, still would.

774 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:57pm

re: #763 ploome hineni

send in a cheque with a notarized statement pleading no contest

thats what they told me to do when I called

First ticket in more than 10 years

Are you sure you don't want to go to court? If there is the slightest chance you might get off you might want to reconsider. Paying the fine will up your points and your insurance bill.

775 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:10:57pm

re: #768 CoCo

Me too.

776 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:11:05pm

re: #763 ploome hineni

If that's what you want to do, and it gets the whole thing over with, go for it.

777 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:11:12pm
778 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:11:19pm

re: #689 itellu3times

I'm very big on efficient causation, and very small on other sorts. Pull my string on it sometime, probably best offline. You seem rather good at this, you have a professional interest?

You know, my son just got his Ph.D in physics, definitely an enterprise grounded in efficient causation. I must confess that I am not all that savvy about the details of any empirical science; I am just acquainted with the general outlines of its methods.

I try to nudge my son, and he is not fundamentally opposed; but he's a youngster and has to make his way in the world to which he has given his allegiance.

What I am trying to say--beyond saying that I am an horribly egocentric bastard who is taking a moment to boast--is that I myself have merged from a "dogmatic slumber" in which I have undervalued the empirical point of view.

Charles has been a very generous man. Like you I do not want to tax his patience; and I know that many lizards don't have a lot of interest in this stuff. Understandable: the jihadis are at the gates, and it seems that just about 95 per cent of the denizens of the West are either asleep or collaborating with their own destruction.

So, a discussion of Aristotle's four causes is a bit of an eccentric luxury. Nevertheless, if we think clearly about these things, we shall think more clearly about how to crush the fanatic. Feel free to email me at readgreek@comcast.net. This is not my primary account, and I do not monitor it everyday, but I'll keep my eyes open.

779 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:11:39pm

re: #470 formercorpsman

I have a technical question.
[snip]
If I want to search for a portion of something, (like a string of words to a song) in an effort to eliminate pulling every post with each word in it, is this possible?
[snip]

Just use quotes around your string. It's a common convention so that what's between the quotes gets treated like one thing.

Example: "Man of constant sorrow"

Another trick: If you want just comments by buzzsawmonkey, without replies to him, your search term can be user:buzzsawmonkey

If a nic is more than one word, you'll need quotes. For example,
"user:EC Marm"

780 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:11:56pm

re: #763 ploome hineni

send in a cheque with a notarized statement pleading no contest

thats what they told me to do when I called

First ticket in more than 10 years

I usually manage to cry my way out of it. But if I'm stopped on the way home from work, they usually say "You work there? Drive slow and get a good night sleep, lady"

781 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:12:13pm

re: #767 ploome hineni

frozen margarita

pleeeeeze :D yum

All I can offer tonight is a Stinky Gringo...

782 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:12:34pm

re: #761 infidelia

LOL.

783 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:12:38pm

re: #755 sparrowlake

Good.

784 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:13:25pm
785 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:13:27pm

re: #768 CoCo

I keep meaning to tell you that I'm a Razorback, too! WPS!

Great! Resident, or alien...er...instate or out?

786 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:13:36pm

re: #775 BigJohn

Me too.

Don't we need a local chapter?

787 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:13:43pm

I must bid y'all good night. As always, it's been a pleasure.

788 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:13:55pm

I am a pooped pup. Night all. Be on alert for trolls. 112 newbies today.

789 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:07pm

re: #772 goddessoftheclassroom

On my oceanography final (first semester of college), I was asked to draw the food-chain. I can't draw.

In an exalted state comprised of panic, caffeine, sleeplessness and the fact that I knew the food-chain cold, I wrote three linked sonnets. I got an A, and I rhymed zooplankton - but I didn't save the blue book.

790 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:14pm

re: #788 pingjockey

I am a pooped pup. Night all. Be on alert for trolls. 112 newbies today.

Nite Ping

791 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:17pm
792 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:17pm

re: #723 Jim in Virginia

*whack*

793 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:23pm

re: #785 razorbacker

Great! Resident, or alien...er...instate or out?

Bred, Born and Resident.

794 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:35pm

re: #779 abolitionist

Thats what I was looking for.

Thank you.

795 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:38pm

re: #768 CoCo

I keep meaning to tell you that I'm a Razorback, too! WPS!


Theres not a lot of folk who know what WPS means. You have to do the hand motions right, too.
(Fayetteville HS grad here)

Barkeep! Gin (Bombay Sapphire) and tonic all around!

796 Ma Sands  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:14:56pm

re: #788 pingjockey

We put a hugely rabid one to rest.....for a while at least......it's not showed up again.....

797 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:10pm

re: #756 Dianna

Going out on a thin limb, here. Pablo Neruda? I have just enough Spanish to catch a translation I read once, "Tonight I can only write the saddest verses..."

Yep.

But he stole it from me.

798 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:11pm

re: #784 ploome hineni

Depending where you are court can be pretty easy. A friend had a speeding ticket plead down to "not following signs" and got off with a small fine, no points.

799 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:16pm

re: #784 ploome hineni

you said the magic word, insurance

but like I said, I have no other tickets

except a parking ticket last year in BH on a rental car

no I will pay, I cannot bear the whole scene going to court


aaaaaaaaaargghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I understand the whole not wanting to go to court thing. Maybe you should do some nosing around and find out how much that ticket is going to cost on the insurance bill before you definitely, positively decide not to go. Depending on where you live the difference can be enormous.

800 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:20pm
801 sparrowlake  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:28pm

re: #741 Dianna

To comfort you, I will quote Frost:
Writing poetry without rhyme and meter is like playing tennis without a net.
And that is a perfectly fair statement, too.

Like a dangling conversation...

802 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:29pm

re: #789 Dianna

On my oceanography final (first semester of college), I was asked to draw the food-chain. I can't draw.

In an exalted state comprised of panic, caffeine, sleeplessness and the fact that I knew the food-chain cold, I wrote three linked sonnets. I got an A, and I rhymed zooplankton - but I didn't save the blue book.

ROFL!

Food Chain Sonnet!
Shoulda' been in every text book!

803 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:41pm

re: #791 ploome hineni

I just took a shower

no stinky nada

but thanks for the thought

LOL - You know that's a brand name for ready rita?

Stinky Gringo would be a great nic...lurkers take note.

804 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:15:57pm

re: #774 galloping granny

Are you sure you don't want to go to court? If there is the slightest chance you might get off you might want to reconsider. Paying the fine will up your points and your insurance bill.

wouldn't that depend on the insurance? My company "forgives" a ticket if it's been 5 years.

805 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:16:11pm

re: #778 ContraJihadi

Who is that? Your avatar? As for a comment,

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-- Galileo Galilei

806 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:16:56pm

re: #789 Dianna

On my oceanography final (first semester of college), I was asked to draw the food-chain. I can't draw.

In an exalted state comprised of panic, caffeine, sleeplessness and the fact that I knew the food-chain cold, I wrote three linked sonnets. I got an A, and I rhymed zooplankton - but I didn't save the blue book.

What a loss! Can you remember what you rhymed with zooplankton? I bet your professor was stunned!

807 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:17:02pm

re: #795 Jim in Virginia

Theres not a lot of folk who know what WPS means. You have to do the hand motions right, too.
(Fayetteville HS grad here)

Barkeep! Gin (Bombay Sapphire) and tonic all around!

Did you hear that they're trying to sell the FHS campus to UA for somewhere in the $50 million neighborhood? And that's a nice neighborhood.

808 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:17:08pm

re: #798 SpartanWoman

Depending where you are court can be pretty easy. A friend had a speeding ticket plead down to "not following signs" and got off with a small fine, no points.

And if you get lucky the cop who gave you the ticket will be otherwise occupied and you get a walk because he didn't show in court.

809 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:17:19pm

re: #795 Jim in Virginia

Theres not a lot of folk who know what WPS means. You have to do the hand motions right, too.
(Fayetteville HS grad here)

Barkeep! Gin (Bombay Sapphire) and tonic all around!

Small, small world! My son is on the hill...will be a senior next year

810 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:17:26pm

re: #805 Cap'n DOC

Who is that? Your avatar? As for a comment,

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-- Galileo Galilei

"Eppur si muove."

811 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:17:50pm

re: #786 CoCo

Don't we need a local chapter?

Could be. I'm not born and bread. I'm from Dallas. I lived in Little Rock for 18 years. I turned Hog. WPS.

812 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:01pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.

I can understand how it would feel manipulative and condescending. The left has just used evolution to justify socially destructive behaviors, and I think they believe they are counterbalancing that some how. All I know is that my prayers get answered - and that's a fact. I always understood the difference between how you felt about ID people and your respect for mainstream religious beliefs. Hasn't been a problem for me.

813 opnion  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:23pm

Now look, don't go crazy on me. Don't you think that an unbeatable ticket would be McCain/Hillary? I'm serious.
Ok ,go crazy

814 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:38pm
815 christheprofessor  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:44pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

I've found that if I send in a check with a note respectfully requestion that I be allowed to plead guilty to 9 mph over the limit (say, 64 in a 55), that they allow it and it doesn't affect my insurance any (as long as I don't get another ticket) (in NC, the increased insurance premiums kicks in at 10mph over the limit).

816 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:44pm

re: #808 galloping granny

Excellent point. Certainly worth it, IMO, if you'll end up with insurance points

817 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:18:57pm

re: #812 DistantThunder

All I know is that my prayers get answered - and that's a fact.

Example, please.

818 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:19:13pm

re: #804 reine.de.tout

wouldn't that depend on the insurance? My company "forgives" a ticket if it's been 5 years.

Sure, but they don't forgive it until it has been five years, do they? Those five years you are going to pay a bad driver premium. My SIL just got rid of one and the insurance bill went from nearly $2K a year down to not quite $800.

819 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:19:22pm
820 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:20:08pm

re: #800 ploome hineni

Cats rule. Dogs drool.

821 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:20:11pm

I'm just quickly stopping in, but send a heartfelt Thanks! to goddess for her prayers, and send my own out to lizards and Americans everywhere effected by the storms.

822 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:20:16pm

re: #818 galloping granny

Sure, but they don't forgive it until it has been five years, do they? Those five years you are going to pay a bad driver premium. My SIL just got rid of one and the insurance bill went from nearly $2K a year down to not quite $800.

I meant - if you haven't had a ticket in 5 years, they "forgive" one and there is no increase in the insurance.

823 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:20:52pm

re: #811 BigJohn

Could be. I'm not born and bread. I'm from Dallas. I lived in Little Rock for 18 years. I turned Hog. WPS.

I'm in Conway and unlike most fellow Arkansans, I think Texas is a pretty nice place with nice folks, all 'cept those Longhorn fans, I'm still on the fence with them :-)

824 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:20:58pm

re: #725 Killian Bundy

"Terrorist Fist Jab" Anchor E.D. Hill Loses Her Show

/fair and balanced

What! That's outrageously over the top, that she wouldn;t be corrected and allowed to stay. Then there's Keith Olbermann spewing vitriol 5 nights a week.

825 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:21:18pm

re: #763 ploome hineni

send in a cheque with a notarized statement pleading no contest

thats what they told me to do when I called

First ticket in more than 10 years

I consider tickets a road tax.

If they were really concerned about speeding, they'd enforce more.

According to Texas law, most posted speed limits are mere guidelines—it is lawful to drive at any speed that is "safe and prudent". In rain or sleet that might be 45, in clear warm weather with light traffic it might be 85 (you might have trouble convincing the judge, though). There are exceptions to this law: school, work and other special zones, and city streets usually strictly follow the posted speed limit. Some local statutes may be stricter than state law.

826 DesertSage  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:21:36pm

Lakers +17, halftime.

What's all this talk about left butt cheeks?

827 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:22:01pm

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Example, please.

I could give you a list - starting when I was about 3 and wanted twin sisters. Too tired though. The best way to find out if prayer really works is to try it yourself.

828 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:22:33pm

re: #822 reine.de.tout

I meant - if you haven't had a ticket in 5 years, they "forgive" one and there is no increase in the insurance.

Ah - I bet I know which insurance company you have :)

829 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:22:40pm

re: #810 Occasional Reader

And move it does.

830 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:22:59pm

re: #826 DesertSage

Lakers +17, halftime.

What's all this talk about left butt cheeks?

I know! Can you imagine Charles actually talking dirty?
;)

831 BigJohn  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:03pm

re: #823 CoCo

I'm in Conway and unlike most fellow Arkansans, I think Texas is a pretty nice place with nice folks, all 'cept those Longhorn fans, I'm still on the fence with them :-)

Arkansas vs TAM at Jerry's World. What a great time.

832 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:18pm

re: #827 galloping granny

Maybe I should try. Worry and anguish has goten me nowhere.

833 Dianna  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:18pm

re: #801 sparrowlake

Paul Simon!

And you read your Emily Dickenson
And I, my Robert Frost,
And we mark our place with bookmarkers
That measure what we've lost.

I'm taking my Male out to dinner. Take care!

834 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:23pm

re: #823 CoCo

I'm in Conway and unlike most fellow Arkansans, I think Texas is a pretty nice place with nice folks, all 'cept those Longhorn fans, I'm still on the fence with them :-)

I went to Hendrix (before they raised the standards, naturally). Good friend in Holland (go past Pickles Gap and turn right).

835 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:27pm

re: #807 razorbackerWow. Would that pay for a new school plus land costs? Is UA interested?

836 thoughtcrime  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:37pm

Not sure of the language here, but old school standards would have you write the equality check like this.

if ( 'Thursday' == $afternoon ) {
$troll = FALSE;
echo 'Here's another open thread for a sunny Thursday afternoon.';
}

For bonus points, tell us why.

837 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:46pm

re: #805 Cap'n DOC

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-- Galileo Galilei

Amen.

838 Inquisitive  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:23:56pm

re: #400 Charles

By the way -- I've been thinking about this, and I want all "lizards of faith" to know that my opposition to the intelligent design hoax does not mean I hate you, or don't believe in God.

I'm opposed to ID because it's a really, really bad idea, being promoted by really bad people -- the right-wing equivalent of Islamofascists, who are also opposed to science and evolution.

I am NOT opposed to religious belief, I'm opposed to political agendas masquerading as "science." It's intellectually dishonest and offensive to me on a very deep level.

That is all.


Thank you Charles--thank you for caring enough for the "lizards of faith" to make this statement. You did not have to and I don't think anyone expected you to but it very nice that you did. No wonder there is so many that has so much respect for you and this site.

839 CoCo  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:03pm

re: #814 ploome hineni

no I did not

who is ready rita?

Geesh...I'm not making much sense tonight...sorry! I mean a pour and serve margarita Stinky Gringo

840 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:26pm

re: #826 DesertSage

Lakers +17, halftime.

Yes!

841 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:27pm
842 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:43pm

re: #828 galloping granny

Ah - I bet I know which insurance company you have :)

Mine did too. Good thing, because the traffic court is in Salem right over the spot where the witch hysteria trials were held and they like to continue the tradition...

843 Fredlike  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:52pm

re: #784 ploome hineni

Ii have never had a speeding ticket and the one my wife got she just sent in the check.

Had a summer student try to fight a ticket for 55 in a 35. She was about eighth on the docket, 7 in front of here were locals and the judge cut down the charges, she was a New Yorker and the Judge let her fine stand, she was so pissed when she got back to work. Small town justice can sometimes be a bit skewed.

844 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:24:57pm

re: #813 opnion

Now look, don't go crazy on me. Don't you think that an unbeatable ticket would be McCain/Hillary? I'm serious.
Ok ,go crazy

857hdfu766465576^%$#^)_jh86%##*%())*&)((^

845 Iron Fist  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:00pm

re: #735 Geepers,

Not many of us Old Ones are left, my brother. It is sad.

846 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:08pm

re: #836 thoughtcrime

Crap. I'm so old school I thought = was written EQ.

847 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:31pm

re: #819 ploome hineni

Nationwide


The Mrs. got a ticket with almost the same speed. They set up the speed trap on a downhill section of a local road. (25 mph speed limit, she was at 47, allegedly) She fought in court and lost. No difference in insurance premium.

848 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:47pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

thanks GOdess

and

I got a speeding ticket, driving 46 mph in 30 mile zone
no seatbelt

$257.00

I refuse to go to court

Year and a half ago I got stopped for running a red light (I claim late yellow) in my wifes' SUV. She has RN plates, and It's gotten her out of a couple of tickets. I'm sitting there thinking while he's checking out the tag what I would say if he asked me if I was a nurse. Sure enough,he asked.

I took the ticket.

849 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:50pm

re: #835 Jim in Virginia

Wow. Would that pay for a new school plus land costs? Is UA interested?

FHS wants $55, UA offered $50. Negotiations in progress.

Yeah, they'd move it on down the road a bit. Don't remember where.

850 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:53pm
851 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:25:57pm

re: #827 galloping granny

I could give you a list - starting when I was about 3 and wanted twin sisters.

I think your parents might have had something to do with that one.

The best way to find out if prayer really works is to try it yourself.

Oh, I used to. Some "worked", some didn't. I think if I had been praying to Thor or Vishnu, I'd have much the same result to report.

852 Suzette  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:26:10pm

re: #720 ploome hineni

thanks GOdess

and

I got a speeding ticket, driving 46 mph in 30 mile zone
no seatbelt

$257.00

I refuse to go to court

Go to court there is a good chance the policeman will not show up and then you don't pay the fine.....that is if you are protesting it.
If you agree that you were guilty pay the fine.
(Most policeman are too busy to show up for traffic stops unless you made an inpression on him/her then they will certainly show up.)

853 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:26:12pm

re: #819 ploome hineni

Nationwide

Couldn't find anything on their website.

I have GEICO:

If you've been an accident-free GEICO policyholder for five years, you may qualify for a surcharge waiver. That means even if you have an accident, your rates won't increase.
854 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:26:42pm

re: #813 opnion

I would prefer to leave the idea of dream tickets in the laps of people who pine for Camelot.

As far as positions, Hillary is not at all far off from Obama.

For me, I think it would be a slap in the face for anyone who is already voting for McCain by default.

I can say, the right seems more honest in applying their reasons for disliking McCain. It has been based on his record, and positions, much the antithesis of Reagan's conservatism, compared to the abject hatred the left gins up based on some emotional issue, or politically correct ax to grind, as in turning totally against her in the primary.

We should not have to make concessions for a democrat on a republican ticket.

I say no.

855 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:26:49pm

re: #813 opnion

Now look, don't go crazy on me. Don't you think that an unbeatable ticket would be McCain/Hillary? I'm serious.
Ok ,go crazy

Yah sure against what, Obama/Tancredo?

856 Tamron  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:07pm

re: #473 Ma Sands

(Dare I show my ignorance? Alright, it hangs out all the time, anyway..... :) --but, what is the bottom turtle standing on?)

MUD. And it's mud from there on down.
.

857 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:13pm

re: #847 EC Marm

I'm from a state where there used to be no speed limit. The tickets (for speeding) were written up as "Undue regard for road conditions".

858 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:21pm
859 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:30pm

Yeesh. I guess I'm going to have to put the ID number in people's profile display now. Who knew there was so much interest in auto-incrementing primary indexes?

860 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:41pm

re: #848 SasquatchOnSteroids

I believe my hospital ID has helped me in more than a few occasions.

861 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:44pm

re: #805 Cap'n DOC

Are you asking whose image appears as my avatar? It is that of the philosopher Georg Willhelm Friedrich Hegel.

Galileo perhaps had the Gospel of John in mind: In the beginning was the Word (logos, reason), but perhaps not.

You are welcome to join itellu3times, opening a path to discussion at readgreek@comcast.net. In fact, any lizard of good will so inclined is welcome.

862 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:46pm
863 HDrepub  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:50pm

re: #845 Iron Fist

,

Not many of us Old Ones are left, my brother. It is sad.

I'm still here, since October, 2004

864 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:27:56pm

re: #851 Occasional Reader

It's not that God doesn't answer your prayers, it's just sometimes they're not answered the way you want.

865 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:00pm

re: #859 Charles

LOL. Who knew?

866 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:18pm

Must be off to bed now, dear Lizards! Good Lord willin' and the creek (say 'crick', please!) don't rise, I'll see y'all on tomorrow's threads!

867 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #829 Cap'n DOC

And move it does.

Yeah, baby! Yeah, yeah!

(oh, sorry, thought of Austin Powers)

868 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:27pm

re: #859 Charles

Yeesh. I guess I'm going to have to put the ID number in people's profile display now. Who knew there was so much interest in auto-incrementing primary inexes?

Who is Number One?

869 opnion  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:31pm

re: #820 MandyManners

Cats rule. Dogs drool.

Stop that.

870 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:28:49pm

re: #832 SpartanWoman

Maybe I should try. Worry and anguish has goten me nowhere.

Worry and anguish are self fulfilling monstrosities. The more you worry the more you worry and the more you worry the more you will find to worry about until you turn into someone like my Dad, who is not happy unless he is worried. If he has nothing to worry about he will find something and if he can't find anything he will invent something, just so he can worry.

Things to remember:

G_d never promised you tomorrow. Live today like it is your last because it might be. I do not mean that you should live wantonly.

G_d promises his children that he will provide their needs. That does not mean you don't have to help yourself and it does not mean that you can get greedy and ask for a new mansion.

Like any good parent, sometimes G_d says "no." That IS an answer to prayer, even if it is not the one that you want.

Sometimes G_d's very best gifts come in very ugly wrapping paper.

871 DesertSage  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:29:05pm

Yeah....but what about the left butt cheek?

872 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #868 itellu3times

Who is Number One?

Charles?

873 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:29:45pm

re: #817 Occasional Reader

I prayed that neither Al Gore nor John Kerry would be elected President.
I've also prayed that my Congressman, Jim Moran, be afflicted wth a painful, disgusting but non life threatening diease. I figure that's more likely than his being defeated.

874 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:29:51pm
875 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:30:12pm

re: #864 Sharmuta

It's not that God doesn't answer your prayers, it's just sometimes they're not answered the way you want.

Yes, I've heard that one before. It's a little... intellectually unsatisfying.

876 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:30:23pm

re: #859 Charles

Bragging rights I guess...

877 Da_Beerfreak  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:30:51pm

re: #859 Charles

Yeesh. I guess I'm going to have to put the ID number in people's profile display now. Who knew there was so much interest in auto-incrementing primary indexes?

It's just one of those things nobody thinks about until someone else brings it up.
// {;-)™

878 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:30:57pm

re: #870 galloping granny

Thanks! It would be sad to turn into someone who was "happy" when miserable and anxious. I have to learn to let go of some fears

879 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:31:03pm

re: #859 Charles

ummm...yeah...what he said.

880 ContraJihadi  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:31:18pm

re: #838 Inquisitive

Thank you Charles--thank you for caring enough for the "lizards of faith" to make this statement. You did not have to and I don't think anyone expected you to but it very nice that you did. No wonder there is so many that has so much respect for you and this site.

Charles, I venture, is a classical liberal. There is no hatred between true, Jeffersonian liberalism and any religious faith that does not aspire to theocracy.

881 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:31:31pm

re: #872 Sharmuta

Who is Number One?

Charles?

I presume, nevertheless the reply from The Prisoner dialog is, "That would be telling."

With some ambiguity about the meaning of "telling" in the British dialect.

882 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:32:04pm

re: #875 Occasional Reader

Yes, I've heard that one before. It's a little... intellectually unsatisfying.

Okay.

883 opnion  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:32:05pm

re: #855 itellu3times

Yah sure against what, Obama/Tancredo?


I know, I know it soyunds nutty, but I am at a seminar now.
This groupnis really Republican & that is the conventional wisdom here.
There is a really creepy feeling about Obama. Nobody likes Hillary.

884 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:33:32pm

re: #862 ploome hineni

I have been with nationwide for more than 15 yrs

first speeding ticket ever


I doubt that you will notice any difference in premium. We've had Nationwide for about the same time. If you think the ticket was unfair, like setting up a speed trap on a long downhill stretch, then it's worthwhile to bitch and moan before the Judge. If he hears enough people complain, he might start tossing the tickets. The Police in our town finally stopped sitting at that point of the road. Unless you rode the brakes for a quarter mile, there was no way to do 25 mph.

885 Grammy Cracker  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:33:35pm

re: #859 Charles

Yeesh. I guess I'm going to have to put the ID number in people's profile display now. Who knew there was so much interest in auto-incrementing primary indexes?

Please stop, Charles! My leg gets all tingly when you talk like that.... LOL

887 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:34:26pm

re: #883 opnion

I know, I know it soyunds nutty, but I am at a seminar now.
This groupnis really Republican & that is the conventional wisdom here.
There is a really creepy feeling about Obama. Nobody likes Hillary.

Yeah sure, McCain and Hillary have a mutual admiration society. Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy.

The dream ticket was supposed to be Obama/Hillary.

I'd say the nightmare ticket would be McCain/Hillary. That would be lucky to pull 11%.

Oh, OK, Mickey Mouse / Sponge Bob could probably pull 30%.

888 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:34:30pm

re: #841 ploome hineni I'm sorry I offended. I don't find animal cruelty funny. I find bad puns incredibly amusing.

889 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:34:50pm

re: #868 itellu3times

Who is Number One?

More importantly; WHO DOES NUMBER TWO WORK FOR?!

890 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:34:50pm

re: #851 Occasional Reader

re: #827 galloping granny

I could give you a list - starting when I was about 3 and wanted twin sisters.

I think your parents might have had something to do with that one.

Not exactly. My mother had a rare blood type & had to have C-sections so she had about the best medical care money could buy at the time. They never intended I should be anything other than an only. And both doctors and the surgeon swore up and down that there was only one baby and it was a bouncing baby boy right up until the minute they lifted out sister #1 and found sister #2, which I had been stomping my little foot and declaring G_d had promised to me every time my mother tried to break the "bad news" to for months. I asked G_d for two baby sisters and that is just exactly what I got.

They have been one of my greatest joys. They have also been my life long lesson in being very careful what you ask for.

891 DesertSage  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:35:00pm

I'm in the middle of watching a very important basketball game, I don't have time to read almost 900 comments.

Could someone please tell me what the relevance of the 'left butt cheek' is?

892 Suzette  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:35:09pm

re: #870 galloping granny


Yet it is for the benefit for you soul. G_d knows what is best for a person. :)

893 Tilly  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:35:09pm

Charles,

Thank you for reminding me what my account infor was. Have a great evening....

Tilly

894 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:35:37pm

re: #881 itellu3times

I presume, nevertheless the reply from The Prisoner dialog is, "That would be telling."

With some ambiguity about the meaning of "telling" in the British dialect.

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

895 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:36:13pm

re: #886 lawhawk

I agree with the ADL guy, those two "scholars" are definitely the bearded ladies.

896 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:36:46pm

re: #894 Charles

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

Stinky beat you to the buzzer, eh?

897 opnion  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:06pm

CNN is now haveing a pity party for Michelle Obama. Somebody named Karen Toumaltry is alleging that the comment "I have never been proud of my country as an a adult....." really meant that I have never been prouder. Pure Sophistry

898 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:09pm

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Example, please.

Well, My husband was the director of one the countries most prominent outdoor schools, and he and the school were featured several times in Outside magazine. But after 7 years it was time to move on (owner had major sub abuse issues). A month later, my grandmother died peacefully and unexpectedly in her sleep at age 97 - she had been to the grocery store the day before. So we packed up the 7 kids and flew from New Jersey back to our home state of California where Mr. DT had worked for a number of computer companies including Apple for 5 years. And so I prayed to know should we open our own outdoor school, or go back to corporate American in the heart of silicon valley?

We were there 5 days visiting family and friends and had the funeral on Wednes. Thursday, morning we get up and there on the news at 8am is alive report from a search area in the Santa cruz mountains looking for a 3 year old boy who had been lost for 14 hours. Mr. DT looks and me and I said - "This would be you." A significant part of his expertise is in tracking, and he trains military - and law enforcement -a and civillians.

So next thing i see Mr DT on TV measuring the feet of the other children. None of the 100 searchers and dozens of dog handlers have picked up a single sign in 14 hours- yet within 10 minutes, Mr DT finds the boys prints which head straight up the side of the mountain with the family dog who has returned home.

For the next two hours he carefully tracks this little boy across a ridge through areas called destruction zones where dozens of searchers have already looked and trampled. The boys prints are on top of mountain lion prints left earlier. The searchers which had been scattered in greater,and greater radius - were all called back to search this particular area - again. At the top of the ridge the prints suddenly ended and so groups split off to go down opposite sides of the mountains other groups coming up the same hillside -and they found him cold shivering. And then it started to rain, moments later.

Mr DT was a hero. When he checked back into the headquarters of the search - one of the guys said to hims "...yeah some hot shot tracker from New Jersey." Mr. DT replied: "uh, that would be me."

We opened the school. It was a knock me over the head answer to my prayer.
[Link: www.onpointtactical.com...]

899 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:26pm

re: #891 DesertSage

I'm in the middle of watching a very important basketball game, I don't have time to read almost 900 comments.

Could someone please tell me what the relevance of the 'left butt cheek' is?

See:
re: #671 Charles

Whoa, dude. You're #114.

Occasional, my left butt cheek.

900 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:30pm

re: #894 Charles

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

OMG, "sa" is Number One?

Back to the Lakers now ...

901 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:47pm

re: #894 Charles

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

STINKY #1?

902 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:50pm

re: #881 itellu3times

I an not a number i am a free man!


(laughter)

903 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:37:52pm

re: #894 Charles

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

Is Stinky Beaumont No. 1?

904 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:38:00pm
905 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:38:08pm

Knowing the ID number of who holds positions 1-10, or the first 50 or 100 lizards would be interesting, kind of Founding Fathers thing, but otherwise ? 27,255.

906 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:38:20pm

All these great minds thinking alike....

907 infidelia  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:38:40pm

re: #883 opnion

I know, I know it soyunds nutty, but I am at a seminar now.
This groupnis really Republican & that is the conventional wisdom here.
There is a really creepy feeling about Obama. Nobody likes Hillary.

Is it focused creepiness? People need to be able to identify as clearly as possible what is "creepy" about Obama, to stand against the Obamassiahtons.

908 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:39:12pm

re: #897 opnion

Pure human ipecac

909 jcm  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:39:40pm

re: #894 Charles

I'll just tell you that I am Number 2.

Stinky's number 1!

910 opnion  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:39:44pm

re: #887 itellu3times

Yeah sure, McCain and Hillary have a mutual admiration society. Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy.

The dream ticket was supposed to be Obama/Hillary.

I'd say the nightmare ticket would be McCain/Hillary. That would be lucky to pull 11%.

Oh, OK, Mickey Mouse / Sponge Bob could probably pull 30%.


Look, I don't like Hillary, but you could really be wrong. Besides , it will never happen

911 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:39:52pm

re: #905 snowcrash

Knowing the ID number of who holds positions 1-10, or the first 50 or 100 lizards would be interesting, kind of Founding Fathers thing, but otherwise ? 27,255.

Many of those original 100 are likely no longer posting here for one reason or another.

912 Charles  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:40:10pm

Number one is not Stinky.

913 wolfie  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:40:18pm <