Did you mean "Atrocities in Zimbabwe", Charles?

Read that story on the Beeb website last night....absolutely disgusting, but what else do we expect from Mugabe's thugs?

This is just horrible. I really don't know what else to say. The things the world complains about.....while this is going on.....wow...

Isn't he another of Jimmy Carter's buddies?

But shouldn't we be tolerant and understanding of their cultural and political choices?

/

Personally, I say we should send in a MEF to terminate Mugabe.

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hard to believe we all live on the same planet...when will mugabe have gone too far,is this it?

someday when we have a just progressive government we can live in squalor and lop each others' heads off....
cursed modernity

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But shouldn't we be tolerant and understanding of their cultural and political choices?

/

Personally, I say we should send in a MEF to terminate Mugabe.

If Mugabe were to keel over tomorrow (with or without help), a whole lot of people would be very happy (including me).

re: #3 Salem

I am too tired to look it up but I would not be surprised in the least.

One hand and two feet chopped off meant she couldn't escape fast enough to avoid immolation.

Mugabe is an evil dictator, quite possibly the worst one currently on the planet.

Where is the outrage from the left?

Bush spied, Lefty cried.

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

A short essay on Mugabe and Obama.

Such lovely people. Robespierre would certainly approve.

Will a President Obama meet with them without preconditions?

/

Sick bastrad. I hope he burns in hell.

Has Mugabe done his US campaign endorsement yet?

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

It wouldn't take an elite group of more than a few hundred to off that devil.

Well, I suppose a Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing for Mugabe. And maybe an appointment to the UN human rights commission.

re: #10 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Mugabe is an evil dictator, quite possibly the worst one currently on the planet.

May be, but the rest of 'em seem to be revvin' up.

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

The Dems frankly don't give a s**t, despite the lies that they propagate that they are the party of civil rights...they're just interested in winning and concentrating their power in order to institute their socialistic vision of America.

Some interesting questions about Mugabe and Obama.

This is not the Mugabe I know.
/do I really need to spell it out for you?

Clinton compares Obama to Mugabe.

Too tired to proceed...
nytol.

How long before we hear from the Lightworker:

"This is not the Mugabe I knew..."

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe

Unfortunately not even Africans are handling this correctly. Our disgraceful South African president Mbeki has done his absolute best to do the absolute least he can with regards to comrade Mugabe up north. And, in the end, it's South Africans hurting from this as our valuable trading partner imploded a decade ago and its economic refugees pour across the border...

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off

Where have you been? They've already been practicing on six year olds.

Opposition councillor's son burnt alive by Mugabe militia

FOR a wad of worthless Zimbabwean banknotes, President Robert Mugabe's militias burnt six-year-old Nyasha Mashoko to death.

The target of the ZANU-PF thugs had been the boy's father, Brian Mamhova. They came for him on Friday night - three truckloads of them, plus a Mercedes-Benz from which alighted three armed men in suits, Mr Mamhova said. The militiamen had been promised $Z25 trillion to kill him, which seems a high price on the head of a district councillor but is no problem for a government that sees printing money as the best way out of a crisis.

Mr Mamhova was elected a councillor for the Movement for Democratic Change in elections on March 29 for the Harare South district council, an area of farms and rundown houses on the outskirts of the capital.

At 8pm on Friday, Mr Mamhova was asleep. His wife, Pamela Pasvani, 21, Nyasha and Mr Manhova's younger brother and a nephew were in an adjoining room.

"They got in the room where I was and they were searching me against the wall," he said. He managed to break free and slipped out in the darkness. He ran 100m and hid behind a bush. "They were running past me," he said, and he heard them muttering that they were about to lose their bounty.

"They locked the door where my wife was. They smashed the windows and threw petrol inside. Then they lit it," he said.

"Inside the house, my young brother broke the door. I thank God, otherwise they would be burnt, all of them. He took my nephew out of the room. Then he went back into the room and he took my wife, but it was late. She got 80per cent burnt. My son was burnt to pieces.

"Then they beat everybody there, my neighbours, everyone. Many of them are in Chitungwiza hospital now."

/think Mugabe might win the runoff election?

Mugabe uses food as a weapon.

re: #27 Killian Bundy

/think Mugabe might win the runoff election?

The only runoff he should win is the one over the waterfall.

Without the barrel.

re: #17 really grumpy big dog Johnson

"It wouldn't take ..."

I prefer relocating him, his family and supporters on a few (severely fenced-in) acres of land, enough to support the total number of people + 10%, and then leaving them to farm it themselves. By hand. No internal combustion engines of any sort, no electricity, no way out. Only hand tools.

Let him and his friends feel the reality of what they've created.

Obama's cousin calls Mugabe a "dictator."

re: #27 Killian Bundy

Man, stories like these really turn my stomach and make me want to cry...

Gee, its a good thing there is no 2nd amendment in Zimbabwe. Or Mugabe might not be able to pull these little political stunts off with so much impunity. So much easier when you can keep your people hungry, naked, and unarmed.

re: #28 FQ Kafir

Mugabe uses food as a weapon.

No different than Muhammad Farah (sky hook) Aydid

re: #31 FQ Kafir

Obama's cousin calls Mugabe a "dictator."

/well, he doesn't eat people like Idi Amin

The baby-boomer leftists don't want to look at Zimbabwe. After all, they assured us way back when that the Soviet-backed Mugabe was only interested in liberation and "social justice." (violins please)

The left is never sorry because they are never wrong.
/

re: #18 maddogg

Well, I suppose a Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing for Mugabe. And maybe an appointment to the UN human rights commission.

I made an observation, but am not in favor of external interference in that pseudo-coutry. The people will rise up and put him out, one way or another. Outside interference gains nothing in this case.

re: #35 Killian Bundy

/well, he doesn't eat people like Idi Amin

Believe me, a man who chops off feet and burns women alive is not too far removed from a savage cannibal, and in fact is fully capable of any heinous act.

It's not much better in South Africa, which was supposed to be a stabilising force in the reigon. Instead, you had (black) South Africans going through the shantytowns and attacking illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe or Mozambique. Wasn't Mbeki Mandela's hand-picked succesor? And aren't Madela and Mugabe pretty close?

Re: Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, etc.. I believe the best way to assist the good people in these regions is a mass drop of small parachute packages consisting of two .308 rifles, 6 boxes of ammo and 5 gallons of water.

(where they''re likely to find it)

Carter, Obama and Mugabe.... Three Peas In A Pod?

re: #40 RTLM

Re: Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, etc.. I believe the best way to assist the good people in these regions is a mass drop of small parachute packages consisting of two .308 rifles, 6 boxes of ammo and 5 gallons of water.

(where they''re likely to find it)

I think that'd work.

re: #37 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I made an observation, but am not in favor of external interference in that pseudo-coutry. The people will rise up and put him out, one way or another. Outside interference gains nothing in this case.

I agree. We need to stay out of Africa. He will be removed forcibly, or will step down and get a pardon from his replacement, but Africa will have to heal itself or stay what it is. I predict it will remain mostly a hellhole.

As a footnote, outfits like Sandline International or Executive Outcomes would've made extremely quick work of Mugabe's ZANU punks

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

As a footnote, outfits like Sandline International or Executive Outcomes would've made extremely quick work of Mugabe's ZANU punks

That crossed my mind, too.

re: #42 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think that'd work.

Depends who finds it and then where it eventually ends up.

/if you're really serious about doing something like that, send in an SF team for coordination

re: #45 wolfie

That crossed my mind, too.

The fact that they were banned in the 1990s by South Africa for just this reason also crossed my minf.

Nite, Lizards. I am out. Love you all.
neo nazi's may not apply.

re: #47 Fenway_Nation

The fact that they were banned in the 1990s by South Africa for just this reason also crossed my minf.

*Minf*?

As in "mother I'd never f---"?

/sorry for derailing the thread

re: #46 Killian Bundy

Depends who finds it and then where it eventually ends up.

/if you're really serious about doing something like that, send in an SF team for coordination

Better yet; Take a certain number of dedicated People out of the country and train and equip them right, supply them with arms, and send them back in to train their own people and remove Mugabe. Then sit back and watch one of the people we trained and equipped become the next brutal and corrupt politician in Zimbabwe.

When Mugabe is gone, dead or retired, the country will either be ruled by his cronies or ruled by the military. There won't be an uprising, this is Africa! Not for something as lame as freedom and democracy! Get set for another Myanmar/Burma autocratic, isolated regime of evil for the next fifty years...

re: #50 maddogg

Better yet; Take a certain number of dedicated People out of the country and train and equip them right, supply them with arms, and send them back in to train their own people and remove Mugabe. Then sit back and watch one of the people we trained and equipped become the next brutal and corrupt politician in Zimbabwe.

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

re: #51 HardRain

When Mugabe is gone, dead or retired, the country will either be ruled by his cronies or ruled by the military. There won't be an uprising, this is Africa! Not for something as lame as freedom and democracy! Get set for another Myanmar/Burma autocratic, isolated regime of evil for the next fifty years...

That hardly seems fair to the people of Zimbabwe considering Bobby's held on to power for the better part of 30 years....

This is unmentionable.

UN denunciation of Israel in 5...4...3...2...
Continued rape of women in the Congo by UN "peacekeepers" in 5...4...3...2...

But Zimbabwe? Robert Mugabe? *crickets*

And according to wiki, Mugabe's predecessor in the ZANU party was named Sithole.

/Gosh......if only there was something I could do with a name like that, but I've got nothing to work with!

Unfortunately, maddog, those "dedicated" people have already high-tailed it outta there, mostly into South Africa. A man who assisted me with some yard work a few years ago was from Zimbabwe, a man with a university degree, majoring in philosophy no less, and here he was helping me cut up a fallen tree for (in dollar terms) a couple bucks...

Why did they stop a chopping off the 3 appendages? Got tired?

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

Unarmed, defenseless people. My idea is better.

I have a feeling that our Supreme Court is poised to out law gun ownership in America after the Kelo, Naral, and Gitmo decision. We are in the hands of madmen that seek to dissemble the Bill Of Rights.

re: #52 Killian Bundy

the movie was what it was, but Lord of War had the best quote "There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"
unintentional wisdom

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

Drop enough of them, and eventually there will be more armed citizens than thugs.

Plus, with enough simultaneous drops, the thugs won't be able to keep up.

re: #62 victor_yugo

stamp out a gagillion of these

re: #60 pat

I have a feeling that our Supreme Court is poised to out law gun ownership in America after the Kelo, Naral, and Gitmo decision. We are in the hands of madmen that seek to dissemble the Bill Of Rights.

Keep an eye on DC vs. Heller.

(looks good)

re: #59 RTLM

Unarmed, defenseless people. My idea is better.

What makes you think the airdrops you propose won't immediately fall into Mugabe militia hands? Who are these opposition people you're going to coordinate these drops with? They're already defenseless, their leadership is systematically being burned alive. The Mugabe militia is sorting through the hospitals.

/unless you want to actively intervene in the situation, I'll paraphrase Lt. Escobar in Chinatown, "Forget it Jake, it's Africa"

re: #62 victor_yugo

Drop enough of them, and eventually there will be more armed citizens than thugs.

Plus, with enough simultaneous drops, the thugs won't be able to keep up.

/again, the Mugabe militia has thoroughly overrun all the drop zones

re: #63 spidly

stamp out a gagillion of these

If only.

If only.

If only.

And here are the instructions. In today's world of i17n and l10n, the simplicity is amazing. Occam's Razor at its sharpest.

re: #66 Killian Bundy

/again, the Mugabe militia has thoroughly overrun all the drop zones

Can you say "target-rich environment"?

re: #68 victor_yugo

Can you say "target-rich environment"?

/we're just not going to do it, period, or it would already be done

Words do not begin...

Ugh. It's too late and I'm too tired, but Africa is a dark continent indeed.

re: #57 HardRain

Unfortunately, maddog, those "dedicated" people have already high-tailed it outta there, mostly into South Africa. A man who assisted me with some yard work a few years ago was from Zimbabwe, a man with a university degree, majoring in philosophy no less, and here he was helping me cut up a fallen tree for (in dollar terms) a couple bucks...

Yes, my wife works with a man from Kenya. He is a good man, but he is here, not in Kenya, and I expect due to the economic and political situation there. He is college degreed Medical Technologist, and I would suppose Kenya could use him.

This Zimbabwe thing is horrid. We should send in the State Department.

re: #69 Killian Bundy

/we're just not going to do it, period, or it would already be done

Or it's already in progress, and nobody's talking yet.

Neither your position nor mine would surprise me right now.

It so insane that anti-american moonbats believe that America is evil and President Bush is a thug but one just needs to look at the other side of the world to see true evil and thugs.

re: #72 pat

This Zimbabwe thing is horrid. We should send in the State Department.

And rub their (State's) noses in it, as an object lesson.

re: #63 spidly

stamp out a gagillion of these

Smooth bore, single shot, accurate to 10 feet:)

re: #76 maddogg

Smooth bore, single shot, accurate to 10 feet:)

And producible at around 600 units/hr, or one every 6-7 seconds. Ironic that it then took 10 seconds to fire and reload.

Unfortunately the "Mugabe militia" is a mixed term. The fist of the regime is a canoodling of army, police, "war veterans" and miscellaneous/youth militia groups. Linked to these men are ordinary people and families just trying their best to scrape by and along with the intimidation to support the regime comes the grant of food and money to its armed supporters- the immediate needs of the people.

I fear supplying arms would only strengthen people to direct these arms at their immediate needs rather than against the regime itself whose fist is made up of their community and would, therefor, invariably cause them to be directed against each other. Can anyone say "Somalia"....

re: #75 victor_yugo

VY, the dispassionate, purposeful, ignorance of these people is beyond belief.

re: #73 victor_yugo

Or it's already in progress, and nobody's talking yet.

Neither your position nor mine would surprise me right now.

Unfortunately, as horrible as the situation is, we've got much bigger fish to fry on our plate of finite dimensions.

/ask the British to intervene, it was their colony

re: #76 maddogg

Hell. Why not a latter day STEN gun?

We could intervene militarily, but Mugabe's Allies in Europe, Aisa & South America will claim our only motivation would be for all the gold, platinum, copper and nickel that Bobby fifedom formerly known as Rhodesia is sitting on top of.....

/besides, the welll meaning airheads on the left have pretty quickly forgotten about Darfur

re: #78 HardRain

It looks like you would need a disciplined military force to oust Mugabe & Co.
But even then, what could we expect to replace the regime? It doesn't sound like a reasonably responsible opposition has been allowed to develop....to put it mildly.

Contemplating how American moonbats would fare in Zimbabwe amuses me. Imagining moonbats in the truly horrific societies they accuse us of being is the only way they amuse me, really.

re: #79 pat

VY, the dispassionate, purposeful, ignorance of these people is beyond belief.

That's why I say "rub their noses in it."

Let them see first-hand the outrages they are enabling.

Hell, let them experience abject fear for their lives.

And then let them come back here and try to hold to their sanctimonious, "above the fray" policies.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

Well, shit Killian I guess they're all screwed then. As far as Burma - the Karen Rebels would be a start for arming up. Sudan: the rebels. Zimbabwe: the citizenry.

Do you have a solution to offer?

(workable or not...)

re: #81 calcajun

Hell. Why not a latter day STEN gun?

Now that was an excellent design. Simple, effective, reliable, and fast and cheap to manufacture, much like the "grease gun" we issued during the latter half of WWII, to fulfill a need for Thompsons that could not be produced in large enough quantities and were quite expensive.

re: #83 wolfie

Yeah, that is a strategy of the Mugabe regime. Zimbabwe's woes started, basically, when the opposition began gaining a foothold in the late 1990's. Mugabe's insane policies and decrepit megalomania can be traced to the first threats of his power being challeneged democratically. Hence, the 2000-2001 "land reforms" and the total destruction of the Zimbabwean agricultural sector and, with it, the economy...

The Un hasn't met a murderous dictator thug it didn't like yet.

I suggest we move the UN to Zimbabwe.

re: #84 eastvillageinfidel

Contemplating how American moonbats would fare in Zimbabwe amuses me. Imagining moonbats in the truly horrific societies they accuse us of being is the only way they amuse me, really.

LOL. I know what you mean.
What kind of spolied brat does it take to think that the USA, of all places, is a cesspool of injustice and oppression?!?

re: #89 Sharmuta

The Un hasn't met a murderous dictator thug it didn't like yet.

I suggest we move the UN to Zimbabwe.

I like that. I would love to see those self important slimeballs running around trying not to get shot, starved or maimed.

re: #89 Sharmuta

Amen to that. On that note, 'Night everybody!

Dinged you down Pat... let me explain...

The US ambassadorial staff in Zimbabwe, along with some other countries', have put their own lives on the line, literally, during the past several weeks. There have been several confrontations between the US representatives and Mugabe' thugs. I posted a link to a story a couple of weeks ago about this very topic, and then Charles made a blog entry later about another example.

So, the foreign service people on the ground ought to be supported, not slurred.

Add Mugabe to the rogues gallery of murderous dictators who came to power on Carters watch...Saddam, Khomeini, and Mugabe. I call them the class of '79.

re: #89 Sharmuta

Reminds me of a blog post I did last year about the UN electing Zimbabwe to the head of the Commission on Sustainable Development. Madness...

re: #86 RTLM

Well, shit Killian I guess they're all screwed then. As far as Burma - the Karen Rebels would be a start for arming up. Sudan: the rebels. Zimbabwe: the citizenry.

Do you have a solution to offer?

(workable or not...)

For starters, finish Iran and effectively eliminate the primary source of over 80% of world terrorism.

/but the Bonkeys won't even let us do that so yes, the countries you mentioned, unless someone else steps up, are probably screwed, even our SF are gainfully employed in foreign countries crucial to our national security

re: #90 wolfie

Right? I imagine them shaking their feeble fists and bleating about the inequities as the machete wielding hordes descend upon them. Pleasant dreams everyone.

I'm of the belief that given the opportunity, people against a wall will find the metal to repel a drugged up government militia.

If given the means.

re: #96 Killian Bundy

For starters, finish Iran and effectively eliminate the primary source of over 80% of world terrorism.

/but the Bonkeys won't even let us do that so yes, the countries you mentioned, unless someone else steps up, are probably screwed, even our SF are gainfully employed in foreign countries crucial to our national security

/our Navy and Air Force are well rested

I watched a movie a while back about the situation with all the independent thugs in Liberia. I thought the movie was quite good. It was called "Blood Diamond".

The Carter administration and the Brits made a deliberate decision to throw their weight behind Mugabe and throw Bishop Abel Muzorewa under the bus as it were. I remember it well, I was just beginning to pay attention to world events in 79.

re: #98 RTLM

I'm of the belief that given the opportunity, people against a wall will find the metal to repel a drugged up government militia.

If given the means.

/I only disagree on the effective support mechanism

re: #88 HardRain

Yeah, that is a strategy of the Mugabe regime. Zimbabwe's woes started, basically, when the opposition began gaining a foothold in the late 1990's. Mugabe's insane policies and decrepit megalomania can be traced to the first threats of his power being challeneged democratically. Hence, the 2000-2001 "land reforms" and the total destruction of the Zimbabwean agricultural sector and, with it, the economy...

We are beginning to see something similar in Bolivia. The main opposition to Evo Morales's socialist idiocy is in the lowlands. After they successfully put together a referendum demanding more autonomy, Morales responded by nationalizing the energy companies there. He is more than ready to wreck the economy in order to consolidate his power.
(But then, I can think of more than a few American moonbats who are ready to do the same.)

The brutality in Zimbabwe, though, is horrifying.
Can we assume there are some tribal rivalries there, too? (as per Somalia, Rwanda, etc.)

I love Africa.

I'm wrong about it being set in Liberia, it was Sierra Leone, I believe.

re: #100 maddogg

Liberia

A country established by freed American slaves.

/General Butt Naked!

re: #101 MrArchieBunker

The Carter administration and the Brits made a deliberate decision to throw their weight behind Mugabe and throw Bishop Abel Muzorewa under the bus as it were. I remember it well, I was just beginning to pay attention to world events in 79.

Not just Carter and the Brits (was Thatcher PM then?), but don't leave forget Kim Il Sung.

re: #106 Killian Bundy

A country established by freed American slaves.

/General Butt Naked!

Don't you love the rapper names? General Rambo, Commander Zero, etc. What a bunch of plain vanilla assholes and murderers.

re: #106 Killian Bundy

A country established by freed American slaves.

/General Butt Naked!

Blahyi is a member of the Sarpo clan, which make up 20% of the Krahn tribe in Liberia.[2] At age 11, he claims, the Devil called him on the telephone, commanding him to his later excesses

this buttnaked dude must be related to big mo

re: #109 ploome hineni

Mo had his number on speed dial.

re: #99 Killian Bundy

/our Navy and Air Force are well rested

And well trained. From my time aboard the USS Stennis homeported in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, I can assure you that when the Military isn't fighting, they are training for it.

/heh, actually I was aboard the USS Ranger

re: #109 ploome hineni

Nite Ploome.

re: #111 AmeriDan

Wasn't that a dust up the other nite? Any resolution?

good night Pat

:)

re: #113 pat

Wasn't that a dust up the other nite? Any resolution?

Nope.

Fenway, I believe it was James Callahan that was the Brit PM then.....Dont forget that the radical Andrew Young was the driving force behind Carter admin. foreign policy at that time. From wikipedia.."He played a leading role in advancing a settlement in Zimbabwe with Robert Mugabe, despite the latter's avowed commitment to marxism. He was criticized for many of his statements, such as his suggestion that Cuban troops brought stability to Angola." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ploome,*(cheek). lol

Well off to my books.

re: #118 pat

Well off to my books.

Good reading, pat !