Did you mean "Atrocities in Zimbabwe", Charles?

Read that story on the Beeb website last night....absolutely disgusting, but what else do we expect from Mugabe's thugs?

This is just horrible. I really don't know what else to say. The things the world complains about.....while this is going on.....wow...

Isn't he another of Jimmy Carter's buddies?

But shouldn't we be tolerant and understanding of their cultural and political choices?

/

Personally, I say we should send in a MEF to terminate Mugabe.

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hard to believe we all live on the same planet...when will mugabe have gone too far,is this it?

someday when we have a just progressive government we can live in squalor and lop each others' heads off....
cursed modernity

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But shouldn't we be tolerant and understanding of their cultural and political choices?

/

Personally, I say we should send in a MEF to terminate Mugabe.

If Mugabe were to keel over tomorrow (with or without help), a whole lot of people would be very happy (including me).

re: #3 Salem

I am too tired to look it up but I would not be surprised in the least.

One hand and two feet chopped off meant she couldn't escape fast enough to avoid immolation.

Mugabe is an evil dictator, quite possibly the worst one currently on the planet.

Where is the outrage from the left?

Bush spied, Lefty cried.

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

A short essay on Mugabe and Obama.

Such lovely people. Robespierre would certainly approve.

Will a President Obama meet with them without preconditions?

/

Sick bastrad. I hope he burns in hell.

Has Mugabe done his US campaign endorsement yet?

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

It wouldn't take an elite group of more than a few hundred to off that devil.

Well, I suppose a Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing for Mugabe. And maybe an appointment to the UN human rights commission.

re: #10 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Mugabe is an evil dictator, quite possibly the worst one currently on the planet.

May be, but the rest of 'em seem to be revvin' up.

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe?

It seems there's a far bette case to be made against him that President Bush.

Where's Kucinich, Murtha and the rest of the Democratic Party apparatus?

The Dems frankly don't give a s**t, despite the lies that they propagate that they are the party of civil rights...they're just interested in winning and concentrating their power in order to institute their socialistic vision of America.

Some interesting questions about Mugabe and Obama.

This is not the Mugabe I know.
/do I really need to spell it out for you?

Clinton compares Obama to Mugabe.

Too tired to proceed...
nytol.

How long before we hear from the Lightworker:

"This is not the Mugabe I knew..."

re: #12 Arbalest

At what point will the US or Europe handle Mugabe

Unfortunately not even Africans are handling this correctly. Our disgraceful South African president Mbeki has done his absolute best to do the absolute least he can with regards to comrade Mugabe up north. And, in the end, it's South Africans hurting from this as our valuable trading partner imploded a decade ago and its economic refugees pour across the border...

Wife of Mugabe rival burned alive after having feet hacked off

Where have you been? They've already been practicing on six year olds.

Opposition councillor's son burnt alive by Mugabe militia

FOR a wad of worthless Zimbabwean banknotes, President Robert Mugabe's militias burnt six-year-old Nyasha Mashoko to death.

The target of the ZANU-PF thugs had been the boy's father, Brian Mamhova. They came for him on Friday night - three truckloads of them, plus a Mercedes-Benz from which alighted three armed men in suits, Mr Mamhova said. The militiamen had been promised $Z25 trillion to kill him, which seems a high price on the head of a district councillor but is no problem for a government that sees printing money as the best way out of a crisis.

Mr Mamhova was elected a councillor for the Movement for Democratic Change in elections on March 29 for the Harare South district council, an area of farms and rundown houses on the outskirts of the capital.

At 8pm on Friday, Mr Mamhova was asleep. His wife, Pamela Pasvani, 21, Nyasha and Mr Manhova's younger brother and a nephew were in an adjoining room.

"They got in the room where I was and they were searching me against the wall," he said. He managed to break free and slipped out in the darkness. He ran 100m and hid behind a bush. "They were running past me," he said, and he heard them muttering that they were about to lose their bounty.

"They locked the door where my wife was. They smashed the windows and threw petrol inside. Then they lit it," he said.

"Inside the house, my young brother broke the door. I thank God, otherwise they would be burnt, all of them. He took my nephew out of the room. Then he went back into the room and he took my wife, but it was late. She got 80per cent burnt. My son was burnt to pieces.

"Then they beat everybody there, my neighbours, everyone. Many of them are in Chitungwiza hospital now."

/think Mugabe might win the runoff election?

Mugabe uses food as a weapon.

re: #27 Killian Bundy

/think Mugabe might win the runoff election?

The only runoff he should win is the one over the waterfall.

Without the barrel.

re: #17 really grumpy big dog Johnson

"It wouldn't take ..."

I prefer relocating him, his family and supporters on a few (severely fenced-in) acres of land, enough to support the total number of people + 10%, and then leaving them to farm it themselves. By hand. No internal combustion engines of any sort, no electricity, no way out. Only hand tools.

Let him and his friends feel the reality of what they've created.

Obama's cousin calls Mugabe a "dictator."

re: #27 Killian Bundy

Man, stories like these really turn my stomach and make me want to cry...

Gee, its a good thing there is no 2nd amendment in Zimbabwe. Or Mugabe might not be able to pull these little political stunts off with so much impunity. So much easier when you can keep your people hungry, naked, and unarmed.

re: #28 FQ Kafir

Mugabe uses food as a weapon.

No different than Muhammad Farah (sky hook) Aydid

re: #31 FQ Kafir

Obama's cousin calls Mugabe a "dictator."

/well, he doesn't eat people like Idi Amin

The baby-boomer leftists don't want to look at Zimbabwe. After all, they assured us way back when that the Soviet-backed Mugabe was only interested in liberation and "social justice." (violins please)

The left is never sorry because they are never wrong.
/

re: #18 maddogg

Well, I suppose a Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing for Mugabe. And maybe an appointment to the UN human rights commission.

I made an observation, but am not in favor of external interference in that pseudo-coutry. The people will rise up and put him out, one way or another. Outside interference gains nothing in this case.

re: #35 Killian Bundy

/well, he doesn't eat people like Idi Amin

Believe me, a man who chops off feet and burns women alive is not too far removed from a savage cannibal, and in fact is fully capable of any heinous act.

It's not much better in South Africa, which was supposed to be a stabilising force in the reigon. Instead, you had (black) South Africans going through the shantytowns and attacking illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe or Mozambique. Wasn't Mbeki Mandela's hand-picked succesor? And aren't Madela and Mugabe pretty close?

Re: Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, etc.. I believe the best way to assist the good people in these regions is a mass drop of small parachute packages consisting of two .308 rifles, 6 boxes of ammo and 5 gallons of water.

(where they''re likely to find it)

Carter, Obama and Mugabe.... Three Peas In A Pod?

re: #40 RTLM

Re: Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, etc.. I believe the best way to assist the good people in these regions is a mass drop of small parachute packages consisting of two .308 rifles, 6 boxes of ammo and 5 gallons of water.

(where they''re likely to find it)

I think that'd work.

re: #37 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I made an observation, but am not in favor of external interference in that pseudo-coutry. The people will rise up and put him out, one way or another. Outside interference gains nothing in this case.

I agree. We need to stay out of Africa. He will be removed forcibly, or will step down and get a pardon from his replacement, but Africa will have to heal itself or stay what it is. I predict it will remain mostly a hellhole.

As a footnote, outfits like Sandline International or Executive Outcomes would've made extremely quick work of Mugabe's ZANU punks

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

As a footnote, outfits like Sandline International or Executive Outcomes would've made extremely quick work of Mugabe's ZANU punks

That crossed my mind, too.

re: #42 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think that'd work.

Depends who finds it and then where it eventually ends up.

/if you're really serious about doing something like that, send in an SF team for coordination

re: #45 wolfie

That crossed my mind, too.

The fact that they were banned in the 1990s by South Africa for just this reason also crossed my minf.

Nite, Lizards. I am out. Love you all.
neo nazi's may not apply.

re: #47 Fenway_Nation

The fact that they were banned in the 1990s by South Africa for just this reason also crossed my minf.

*Minf*?

As in "mother I'd never f---"?

/sorry for derailing the thread

re: #46 Killian Bundy

Depends who finds it and then where it eventually ends up.

/if you're really serious about doing something like that, send in an SF team for coordination

Better yet; Take a certain number of dedicated People out of the country and train and equip them right, supply them with arms, and send them back in to train their own people and remove Mugabe. Then sit back and watch one of the people we trained and equipped become the next brutal and corrupt politician in Zimbabwe.

When Mugabe is gone, dead or retired, the country will either be ruled by his cronies or ruled by the military. There won't be an uprising, this is Africa! Not for something as lame as freedom and democracy! Get set for another Myanmar/Burma autocratic, isolated regime of evil for the next fifty years...

re: #50 maddogg

Better yet; Take a certain number of dedicated People out of the country and train and equip them right, supply them with arms, and send them back in to train their own people and remove Mugabe. Then sit back and watch one of the people we trained and equipped become the next brutal and corrupt politician in Zimbabwe.

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

re: #51 HardRain

When Mugabe is gone, dead or retired, the country will either be ruled by his cronies or ruled by the military. There won't be an uprising, this is Africa! Not for something as lame as freedom and democracy! Get set for another Myanmar/Burma autocratic, isolated regime of evil for the next fifty years...

That hardly seems fair to the people of Zimbabwe considering Bobby's held on to power for the better part of 30 years....

This is unmentionable.

UN denunciation of Israel in 5...4...3...2...
Continued rape of women in the Congo by UN "peacekeepers" in 5...4...3...2...

But Zimbabwe? Robert Mugabe? *crickets*

And according to wiki, Mugabe's predecessor in the ZANU party was named Sithole.

/Gosh......if only there was something I could do with a name like that, but I've got nothing to work with!

Unfortunately, maddog, those "dedicated" people have already high-tailed it outta there, mostly into South Africa. A man who assisted me with some yard work a few years ago was from Zimbabwe, a man with a university degree, majoring in philosophy no less, and here he was helping me cut up a fallen tree for (in dollar terms) a couple bucks...

Why did they stop a chopping off the 3 appendages? Got tired?

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

Unarmed, defenseless people. My idea is better.

I have a feeling that our Supreme Court is poised to out law gun ownership in America after the Kelo, Naral, and Gitmo decision. We are in the hands of madmen that seek to dissemble the Bill Of Rights.

re: #52 Killian Bundy

the movie was what it was, but Lord of War had the best quote "There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"
unintentional wisdom

re: #52 Killian Bundy

/that's a better idea than trying to blindly drop weapons and ammunition to people who are currently being burned to death in their own homes

Drop enough of them, and eventually there will be more armed citizens than thugs.

Plus, with enough simultaneous drops, the thugs won't be able to keep up.

re: #62 victor_yugo

stamp out a gagillion of these

re: #60 pat

I have a feeling that our Supreme Court is poised to out law gun ownership in America after the Kelo, Naral, and Gitmo decision. We are in the hands of madmen that seek to dissemble the Bill Of Rights.

Keep an eye on DC vs. Heller.

(looks good)

re: #59 RTLM

Unarmed, defenseless people. My idea is better.

What makes you think the airdrops you propose won't immediately fall into Mugabe militia hands? Who are these opposition people you're going to coordinate these drops with? They're already defenseless, their leadership is systematically being burned alive. The Mugabe militia is sorting through the hospitals.

/unless you want to actively intervene in the situation, I'll paraphrase Lt. Escobar in Chinatown, "Forget it Jake, it's Africa"

re: #62 victor_yugo

Drop enough of them, and eventually there will be more armed citizens than thugs.

Plus, with enough simultaneous drops, the thugs won't be able to keep up.

/again, the Mugabe militia has thoroughly overrun all the drop zones

re: #63 spidly

stamp out a gagillion of these

If only.

If only.

If only.

And here are the instructions. In today's world of i17n and l10n, the simplicity is amazing. Occam's Razor at its sharpest.

re: #66 Killian Bundy

/again, the Mugabe militia has thoroughly overrun all the drop zones

Can you say "target-rich environment"?

re: #68 victor_yugo

Can you say "target-rich environment"?

/we're just not going to do it, period, or it would already be done

Words do not begin...

Ugh. It's too late and I'm too tired, but Africa is a dark continent indeed.

re: #57 HardRain

Unfortunately, maddog, those "dedicated" people have already high-tailed it outta there, mostly into South Africa. A man who assisted me with some yard work a few years ago was from Zimbabwe, a man with a university degree, majoring in philosophy no less, and here he was helping me cut up a fallen tree for (in dollar terms) a couple bucks...

Yes, my wife works with a man from Kenya. He is a good man, but he is here, not in Kenya, and I expect due to the economic and political situation there. He is college degreed Medical Technologist, and I would suppose Kenya could use him.

This Zimbabwe thing is horrid. We should send in the State Department.

re: #69 Killian Bundy

/we're just not going to do it, period, or it would already be done

Or it's already in progress, and nobody's talking yet.

Neither your position nor mine would surprise me right now.

It so insane that anti-american moonbats believe that America is evil and President Bush is a thug but one just needs to look at the other side of the world to see true evil and thugs.

re: #72 pat

This Zimbabwe thing is horrid. We should send in the State Department.

And rub their (State's) noses in it, as an object lesson.

re: #63 spidly

stamp out a gagillion of these

Smooth bore, single shot, accurate to 10 feet:)

re: #76 maddogg

Smooth bore, single shot, accurate to 10 feet:)

And producible at around 600 units/hr, or one every 6-7 seconds. Ironic that it then took 10 seconds to fire and reload.

Unfortunately the "Mugabe militia" is a mixed term. The fist of the regime is a canoodling of army, police, "war veterans" and miscellaneous/youth militia groups. Linked to these men are ordinary people and families just trying their best to scrape by and along with the intimidation to support the regime comes the grant of food and money to its armed supporters- the immediate needs of the people.

I fear supplying arms would only strengthen people to direct these arms at their immediate needs rather than against the regime itself whose fist is made up of their community and would, therefor, invariably cause them to be directed against each other. Can anyone say "Somalia"....

re: #75 victor_yugo

VY, the dispassionate, purposeful, ignorance of these people is beyond belief.

re: #73 victor_yugo

Or it's already in progress, and nobody's talking yet.

Neither your position nor mine would surprise me right now.

Unfortunately, as horrible as the situation is, we've got much bigger fish to fry on our plate of finite dimensions.

/ask the British to intervene, it was their colony

re: #76 maddogg

Hell. Why not a latter day STEN gun?

We could intervene militarily, but Mugabe's Allies in Europe, Aisa & South America will claim our only motivation would be for all the gold, platinum, copper and nickel that Bobby fifedom formerly known as Rhodesia is sitting on top of.....

/besides, the welll meaning airheads on the left have pretty quickly forgotten about Darfur

re: #78 HardRain

It looks like you would need a disciplined military force to oust Mugabe & Co.
But even then, what could we expect to replace the regime? It doesn't sound like a reasonably responsible opposition has been allowed to develop....to put it mildly.

Contemplating how American moonbats would fare in Zimbabwe amuses me. Imagining moonbats in the truly horrific societies they accuse us of being is the only way they amuse me, really.

re: #79 pat

VY, the dispassionate, purposeful, ignorance of these people is beyond belief.

That's why I say "rub their noses in it."

Let them see first-hand the outrages they are enabling.

Hell, let them experience abject fear for their lives.

And then let them come back here and try to hold to their sanctimonious, "above the fray" policies.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

Well, shit Killian I guess they're all screwed then. As far as Burma - the Karen Rebels would be a start for arming up. Sudan: the rebels. Zimbabwe: the citizenry.

Do you have a solution to offer?

(workable or not...)

re: #81 calcajun

Hell. Why not a latter day STEN gun?

Now that was an excellent design. Simple, effective, reliable, and fast and cheap to manufacture, much like the "grease gun" we issued during the latter half of WWII, to fulfill a need for Thompsons that could not be produced in large enough quantities and were quite expensive.

re: #83 wolfie

Yeah, that is a strategy of the Mugabe regime. Zimbabwe's woes started, basically, when the opposition began gaining a foothold in the late 1990's. Mugabe's insane policies and decrepit megalomania can be traced to the first threats of his power being challeneged democratically. Hence, the 2000-2001 "land reforms" and the total destruction of the Zimbabwean agricultural sector and, with it, the economy...

The Un hasn't met a murderous dictator thug it didn't like yet.

I suggest we move the UN to Zimbabwe.

re: #84 eastvillageinfidel

Contemplating how American moonbats would fare in Zimbabwe amuses me. Imagining moonbats in the truly horrific societies they accuse us of being is the only way they amuse me, really.

LOL. I know what you mean.
What kind of spolied brat does it take to think that the USA, of all places, is a cesspool of injustice and oppression?!?

re: #89 Sharmuta

The Un hasn't met a murderous dictator thug it didn't like yet.

I suggest we move the UN to Zimbabwe.

I like that. I would love to see those self important slimeballs running around trying not to get shot, starved or maimed.

re: #89 Sharmuta

Amen to that. On that note, 'Night everybody!

Dinged you down Pat... let me explain...

The US ambassadorial staff in Zimbabwe, along with some other countries', have put their own lives on the line, literally, during the past several weeks. There have been several confrontations between the US representatives and Mugabe' thugs. I posted a link to a story a couple of weeks ago about this very topic, and then Charles made a blog entry later about another example.

So, the foreign service people on the ground ought to be supported, not slurred.

Add Mugabe to the rogues gallery of murderous dictators who came to power on Carters watch...Saddam, Khomeini, and Mugabe. I call them the class of '79.

re: #89 Sharmuta

Reminds me of a blog post I did last year about the UN electing Zimbabwe to the head of the Commission on Sustainable Development. Madness...

re: #86 RTLM

Well, shit Killian I guess they're all screwed then. As far as Burma - the Karen Rebels would be a start for arming up. Sudan: the rebels. Zimbabwe: the citizenry.

Do you have a solution to offer?

(workable or not...)

For starters, finish Iran and effectively eliminate the primary source of over 80% of world terrorism.

/but the Bonkeys won't even let us do that so yes, the countries you mentioned, unless someone else steps up, are probably screwed, even our SF are gainfully employed in foreign countries crucial to our national security

re: #90 wolfie

Right? I imagine them shaking their feeble fists and bleating about the inequities as the machete wielding hordes descend upon them. Pleasant dreams everyone.

I'm of the belief that given the opportunity, people against a wall will find the metal to repel a drugged up government militia.

If given the means.

re: #96 Killian Bundy

For starters, finish Iran and effectively eliminate the primary source of over 80% of world terrorism.

/but the Bonkeys won't even let us do that so yes, the countries you mentioned, unless someone else steps up, are probably screwed, even our SF are gainfully employed in foreign countries crucial to our national security

/our Navy and Air Force are well rested

I watched a movie a while back about the situation with all the independent thugs in Liberia. I thought the movie was quite good. It was called "Blood Diamond".

The Carter administration and the Brits made a deliberate decision to throw their weight behind Mugabe and throw Bishop Abel Muzorewa under the bus as it were. I remember it well, I was just beginning to pay attention to world events in 79.

re: #98 RTLM

I'm of the belief that given the opportunity, people against a wall will find the metal to repel a drugged up government militia.

If given the means.

/I only disagree on the effective support mechanism

re: #88 HardRain

Yeah, that is a strategy of the Mugabe regime. Zimbabwe's woes started, basically, when the opposition began gaining a foothold in the late 1990's. Mugabe's insane policies and decrepit megalomania can be traced to the first threats of his power being challeneged democratically. Hence, the 2000-2001 "land reforms" and the total destruction of the Zimbabwean agricultural sector and, with it, the economy...

We are beginning to see something similar in Bolivia. The main opposition to Evo Morales's socialist idiocy is in the lowlands. After they successfully put together a referendum demanding more autonomy, Morales responded by nationalizing the energy companies there. He is more than ready to wreck the economy in order to consolidate his power.
(But then, I can think of more than a few American moonbats who are ready to do the same.)

The brutality in Zimbabwe, though, is horrifying.
Can we assume there are some tribal rivalries there, too? (as per Somalia, Rwanda, etc.)

I love Africa.

I'm wrong about it being set in Liberia, it was Sierra Leone, I believe.

re: #100 maddogg

Liberia

A country established by freed American slaves.

/General Butt Naked!

re: #101 MrArchieBunker

The Carter administration and the Brits made a deliberate decision to throw their weight behind Mugabe and throw Bishop Abel Muzorewa under the bus as it were. I remember it well, I was just beginning to pay attention to world events in 79.

Not just Carter and the Brits (was Thatcher PM then?), but don't leave forget Kim Il Sung.

re: #106 Killian Bundy

A country established by freed American slaves.

/General Butt Naked!

Don't you love the rapper names? General Rambo, Commander Zero, etc. What a bunch of plain vanilla assholes and murderers.

re: #109 ploome hineni

Mo had his number on speed dial.

re: #99 Killian Bundy

/our Navy and Air Force are well rested

And well trained. From my time aboard the USS Stennis homeported in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, I can assure you that when the Military isn't fighting, they are training for it.

/heh, actually I was aboard the USS Ranger

re: #109 ploome hineni

Nite Ploome.

re: #111 AmeriDan

Wasn't that a dust up the other nite? Any resolution?

re: #113 pat

Wasn't that a dust up the other nite? Any resolution?

Nope.

Fenway, I believe it was James Callahan that was the Brit PM then.....Dont forget that the radical Andrew Young was the driving force behind Carter admin. foreign policy at that time. From wikipedia.."He played a leading role in advancing a settlement in Zimbabwe with Robert Mugabe, despite the latter's avowed commitment to marxism. He was criticized for many of his statements, such as his suggestion that Cuban troops brought stability to Angola." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ploome,*(cheek). lol

Well off to my books.

re: #118 pat

Well off to my books.

Good reading, pat !

re: #103 wolfie

The brutality in Zimbabwe, though, is horrifying.
Can we assume there are some tribal rivalries there, too? (as per Somalia, Rwanda, etc.)

Yeah, of course. There's a classic rivalry between the Shona and the Ndebele. In SA most locals are Ndebele and regard the Shona as "shangaans", a semi-derisive term along the lines of "northerners".

Perhaps a horribly striking example, though, is Mugabe's treatment of the Ndebele opposition in Matabeleland. His army massacred and pillaged the people and, definitely not coincidentally, used a policy of food blockading to starve out the population. Wiki has a brief caveat about this but a Google search for Matabeleland would probably yield more detailed information.

The world is becoming a very dark place. The 21 century is not what I thought it would be. I thought we'd be reaching out to the stars or war would be a thing of the past. Instead, I see now that truth is becoming a rare commodity. I didn't think that I'd be able to watch a genocide or two go on in broad daylight of the world.

Blahyi has said he led his troops naked except for shoes and a gun. Apparently, he believed that his nakedness was a source of protection from bullets.[8][9] Blahyi now claims he would regularly sacrifice a victim before battle, saying, "Usually it was a small child, someone whose fresh blood would satisfy the devil."[1] He explained to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer: "Sometimes I would enter under the water where children were playing. I would dive under the water, grab one, carry him under and break his neck. Sometimes I'd cause accidents. Sometimes I'd just slaughter them."[10]

Ha, Ha. All a big joke now General (butt naked), just another story to tell awe struck western air head reporters. You should be strung up and skinned alive, if there were any justice in Africa, which apparently there ain't none in Liberia.

Keep the home fires burning, {Beloved Lizards}. I can't absorb any more. Tonight's whack-fest wore me plumb OUT! ! !

re: #113 pat

Wasn't that a dust up the other nite? Any resolution?

Bob in Breckenridge stated that a child of his was born when he was on the Stennis... which was in-port in the Soviet Union and during the Cold War. 1982

That would mean that he had a pregnant wife with him aboard a warship during a major overseas deployment, or we had a base (with base housing) in the SU.

Not to mention that the Stennis was not even in service in 82.
Several people called him on it, and he has not been back since.

re: #123 LeePro

Keep the home fires burning, {Beloved Lizards}. I can't absorb any more. Tonight's whack-fest wore me plumb OUT! ! !

G'nite LeePro.

re: #40 RTLM

Re: Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan, etc.. I believe the best way to assist the good people in these regions is a mass drop of small parachute packages consisting of two .308 rifles, 6 boxes of ammo and 5 gallons of water.

(where they''re likely to find it)

AKs...... easier to use, and commonality of ammo from the government forces.

If the un wants to embrace dictators- I guess that's their prerogative. However- they do so with our tax dollars, and I just can't condone our money going to an organization with such proclivities. They must either stand for the principles they're supposed to stand for, or they should have to go about their business without American support.

re: #124 AmeriDan

Bob in Breckenridge stated that a child of his was born when he was on the Stennis... which was in-port in the Soviet Union and during the Cold War. 1982

That would mean that he had a pregnant wife with him aboard a warship during a major overseas deployment, or we had a base (with base housing) in the SU.

Not to mention that the Stennis was not even in service in 82.
Several people called him on it, and he has not been back since.

Count the mistakes.

re: #122 maddogg

Ha, Ha. All a big joke now General (butt naked), just another story to tell awe struck western air head reporters. You should be strung up and skinned alive, if there were any justice in Africa, which apparently there ain't none in Liberia.

/it wasn't a joke (can't immediately find the photos of men in dresses and wigs manning checkpoints on Google after the years), do no evil, we never said we wouldn't erase history

re: #81 calcajun

Hell. Why not a latter day STEN gun?

they already exist.

re: #127 Sharmuta

The UN is idealistic liberalism in a nutshell. Theoretically its a fine idea. In reality its an Edsel with a blown engine and four flat tires.

re: #127 Sharmuta

If the un wants to embrace dictators- I guess that's their prerogative. However- they do so with our tax dollars, and I just can't condone our money going to an organization with such proclivities. They must either stand for the principles they're supposed to stand for, or they should have to go about their business without American support.

True. But this is more than embracing a dictator. This man is blood crazy. He revels in torture and public humiliation. He is the Ayatollah of southern Africa. A madman. And a darling to 3/4 of the UN. Hmmmm.

I have to agree with RTLM on the air drops.

It's what I would want if I found myself in a similar situation.

Perhaps a SF team or two to help with establishing drop zones, planning and coordination.

It doesn't have to be the US. It would be better if the help came from South Africa and/or the surrounding African nations led by South Africa.

===

One resolute man with a rifle and a fistful of cartridges.

THE
DIFFERENCE,
R

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

Impossible to explain. I don't get it.

re: #126 redc1c4

They're both 7.62. But the .308 has better long range accuracy.

(and just as tough)

re: #133 Render

Actually, you have a sympathetic here also. Which is why I fear the Supreme Court will seek to disarm citizens. Because it has worked so well in Europe. Their butt buddies.

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

Count the mistakes.

I hope you mean count the mistakes is his story and not my spelling, punctuation, etc. Here goes:

1. Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carriers did not port at Soviet bases... especially submarine bases.

2. They did not carry pregnant wives on overseas deployments.

3. We did not- and do not- maintain bases in the SU or even Russia.

4. The ship was not in service. Period.

5. I'm getting tired, I could go on but I'm bored.

6. Can I stop?

re: #137 AmeriDan

I once went fishing on a boat.

I am being hailed by She Who Must Be Obeyed.

re: #135 RTLM

Mugabes army uses the AKM assault rifle. Dropping .308 rifles wouldn't help Mugabe's troops with logistics quite as much AK series rifles and makes it easier for untrained civilians to tell who is firing on whom.

IN
THEORY,
R

re: #137 AmeriDan

That's my default reaction to one person committing any number of errors siultaneously; 'Count the Mistakes'.

You could also add:

7. Posted farfetched scenario on blog frequented by US Armed Services Veterans.

re: #133 Render

I have to agree with RTLM on the air drops.

It's what I would want if I found myself in a similar situation.

Perhaps a SF team or two to help with establishing drop zones, planning and coordination.

It doesn't have to be the US. It would be better if the help came from South Africa and/or the surrounding African nations led by South Africa.

Well, good luck!

/because South Africa is running interference

re: #141 Fenway_Nation

I never understood why someone would feel the need to embellish one's biography, but hey, I'm an old fashioned kinda guy.

re: #140 Render

Mugabes army uses the AKM assault rifle. Dropping .308 rifles wouldn't help Mugabe's troops with logistics quite as much AK series rifles and makes it easier for untrained civilians to tell who is firing on whom.

IN
THEORY,
R

Playing along with your airdropping in rifles & supplies scenario, I humbly volunteer the fact that the Mexican Army is getting ready to retire their H&K G3 rifles....perhaps they'd be better off in the hands of some Zimbabwe dissidents than some narcotraficantes south of the border?

re: #138 pat

I once went fishing on a boat.

Catch anything?

BTW, surface vessels are ships. I believe submarines are called boats. Since we are talking warships... you have stated that you were fishing on a submarine... an unlikely story.

I accuse you of POSING!

/just kidding :)

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Mr Mbeki still appears to believe that he can settle the crisis. His officials are said to have brokered talks between the Movement for Democratic Change and ZANU-PF to form a government of national unity.

Mbeki is stupider than I thought.....why should the Movement for Democratic Change form a power-sharing agreement with the party the beat in the elections!?

/also said there's no such thing as AIDS or HIV

The Flight 93 memorial is still a giant jihad crescent:

Call for Congressional investigation of Islamic symbolism in the Flight 93 memorial

1. THE GIANT CRESCENT. The centerpiece of the original “Crescent of Embrace” design was a giant red Islamic shaped crescent. Every particle of this original crescent design remains completely intact in the so-called redesign, which only added a few irrelevant trees. The giant crescent is still there.

2. IT POINTS TO MECCA. The giant crescent points to Mecca. A crescent that Muslims face into to face Mecca is called a "mihrab," and is the central feature around which every mosque is built. The Flight 93 Memorial is on track to become the world's largest mosque.

re: #142 ploome hineni

Something about being aboard the USS Stennis in 1982 and a USSR port call.

(called out by Render on pure mil cred fakery)

re: #141 Fenway_Nation

That's my default reaction to one person committing any number of errors siultaneously; 'Count the Mistakes'.

You could also add:

7. Posted farfetched scenario on blog frequented by US Armed Services Veterans.

That should actually be #1. He'd be a hit a the moonbat websites.

re: #145 MrArchieBunker

I never understood why someone would feel the need to embellish one's biography, but hey, I'm an old fashioned kinda guy.

Maybe he was a little tipsy that evening!
It sounds like an off-the-cuff bit of silliness rather than premeditated craft.

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

Mbeki is stupider than I thought.....

As we say in South Africa to express shame, surprise or hopelessness: Eish :(

Our president and his government are a disgrace to the country. If there was a referendum I guarantee a vast majority of the population would be for far greater involvement and measures in the Zimbabwean issues. I don't believe for one second the government has any policy of diplomacy, be it "quiet" or what have you. I think they are actively supporting Zanu-PF and Bob to the detriment of us all.

re: #152 wolfie

Maybe he was a little tipsy that evening!
It sounds like an off-the-cuff bit of silliness rather than premeditated craft.

But don't you think he would've clarified that instead of slinking away? Still, I'd like to think so....

re: #135 RTLM

They're both 7.62. But the .308 has better long range accuracy.

(and just as tough)

but with the AK they can resupply from government stocks, either from dead OPFOR, or through raids & theft........ more in the population will know how to use them and be able to train others.

they also w*rk better when they're being poorly maintained.

re: #152 wolfie

Hard to say Wolfie, I read some of his comments, he seemed like a stand up guy, but the need to embellish like that is just odd. Downright odd.

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Feces. That figures. Isn't South Africa suffering from the same lack of productive Rhodesian farms? I know Zambia is. They're just not grasping the concept at all, are they?

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

Not my idea, blame it on RTLM, one of the Navy guys.

I'm a civvie, I think in terms of a hundred super-carriers, battleships, and thousand plane bomber raids - for the opening act.

G-3's would be useful and I know the Mexican Army took good care of theirs (no sarcasm), but I would think bolt-action or even single shot would be of better use for untrained hands in a guerrilla role. A G-3 in full-auto (600rpm) can burn through a couple boxes of cartridges rather quickly.

If you only have one shot, you'll think harder about when and where to use it.

UMMAGUMMA,
R

re: #155 redc1c4

They gotta earn those.

THEY'LL
LEARN,
R

re: #153 HardRain

Are you posting from ZA? If so, what part?

I mentioned earlier that the Sandline and Executive Outcomes types that once called South Africa home would have little trouble with Bobby's liquored up ZANU paramilitaries. Didn't Mbeki's government outlaw Private Military contractors and Mercenaries in the late 90s? I get the feeling he did so for exactly this reason...

re: #142 ploome hineni

what dust up?

/someone had a dustup without me?

See #128 and #137

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

Mbeki is stupider than I thought.....why should the Movement for Democratic Change form a power-sharing agreement with the party the beat in the elections!?

Because they're leadership is currently being burnt to death in their homes by the Mugabe militia?

/it's too late, Mugabe will win, there's no practical alternative at this point, the Mugabe militia is sorting through the hospitals, think about it

re: #160 AmeriDan

See #128 and #137

i was wondering what LeePro was talking about when she left..... did the recent hatchlings produced a large crop of trolls?

Render- don't take your eye off the obfuscator a few threads down.

smells
funny,
S

re: #163 Sharmuta

Render- don't take your eye off the obfuscator a few threads down.

smells
funny,
S

Not TickleMeIbrahim!?

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

I'm currently in the United States, Chicago, visiting some extended family. I was born and lived in Johannesburg, South Africa but I haven't been back there since February this year.

And yeah about the mercenaries. I think they want to take it as far as preventing any SA citizens from serving in a foreign army at all by making it a crime.

re: #155 redc1c4

but with the AK they can resupply from government stocks, either from dead OPFOR, or through raids & theft........ more in the population will know how to use them and be able to train others.

they also w*rk better when they're being poorly maintained.

What you say is true. But I'd rather give them a workable and effective sniper rifle - forcing the thought shot and a different technique from the spray-and-pray.

(proper care and feeding)

ploome,

re: #160 AmeriDan

See #128 and #137

After thinking about it, don't waste your time. You were one of the people who called him on it, I think.

re: #152 wolfie

He tried to use it as a counter to a valid point that Very Grumpy Large Canine had made.

Grumpy called him on it first. I just added what I can from books.

It was just entirely too blatant and obvious.

CONCRETE
DIVING
TEAM,
R

re: #157 Render

If you only have one shot, you'll think harder about when and where to use it.

UMMAGUMMA,
R

not in Africa you don't..... they might not have invented "spray & pray", but they've made it into an art form. there won't be any "long range" shooting, and there won't be much aimed rifle fire.....

AK's are the ticket. commonality with your opponent, so you resupply from him, which eases the logistical support needed from outside.

re: #166 RTLM

What you say is true. But I'd rather give them a workable and effective sniper rifle - forcing the thought shot and a different technique from the spray-and-pray.

(proper care and feeding)

wrong culture for that, unless you have training/support teams in country, and that's not going to happen. African troops have been trained into elite units capable of doing what you're talking about, but there's no wy it's going to happen in this scenario.

my connectivity is getting worse, not better.... i give up.

L8r!

re: #165 HardRain

I'm currently in the United States, Chicago, visiting some extended family. I was born and lived in Johannesburg, South Africa but I haven't been back there since February this year.

And yeah about the mercenaries. I think they want to take it as far as preventing any SA citizens from serving in a foreign army at all by making it a crime.

Also, the elephant in the room that nobody's seemed to notice was the much beloved Nelson Mandela and his ties with Mugabe....think Mugabe's dragging his feet at Mandela's behest to avoid any unpleasant and embarrassing revelations about any ties to Bobby that might otherwise taint his international image?

The people who try to link Obama to Mugabe need to get their heads checked. I'm all for healthy partisanship, but it needs to stop somewhere.

re: #162 recd1c4

i was wondering what Lee Pro was talking about when she left..... did the recent hatch lings produced a large crop of trolls?

Update for Red:

She was talking about all of the banning going on. Check out the white supremacy post... it gets bloody. Charles was swinging away at the racist roaches coming out of the closets. And rightfully so.

The other was a recap of the B in B child born in the Soviet union thing. You saw that last night I think.

re: #152 wolfie
Maybe he was a little tipsy that evening!
It sounds like an off-the-cuff bit of silliness rather than premeditated craft.

re: #154 Fenway_Nation
But don't you think he would've clarified that instead of slinking away? Still, I'd like to think so....

I would like to think the same thing. After all it wouldn't be the first time someone was embarrassed all to hell by a joke post the fell flat.

Hell I've had my own share of *stealth jokes* around here; it's not that big of a deal.

*A stealth joke comes in low, bombs, and nobody notices it.*

// {;-)™

re: #172 Fenway_Nation

I don't think so, Mandela retired from politics a decade ago and has faded into relative retired obscurity. I do think the allegiance of the ANC as a whole with Zanu-PF and Bob are definitely tied to the past, yes. And to some degree the loony worldview of Mbeki and his cohorts.

re: #174 AmeriDan

Update for Red:

She was talking about all of the banning going on. Check out the white supremacy post... it gets bloody. Charles was swinging away at the racist roaches coming out of the closets. And rightfully so.

The other was a recap of the B in B child born in the Soviet union thing. You saw that last night I think.

I only saw the one annoying crybaby (IbrahimX) get the banning stick. Looks like I missed another kerfluffle...

Treason charge for Zimbabwe opposition No. 2 MDC leader Tsvangirai detained twice

HARARE, Zimbabwe - President Robert Mugabe's regime struck at his rivals Thursday only two weeks before Zimbabwe's presidential runoff, twice detaining his challenger and jailing the No. 2 opposition leader to face treason charges.

The U.S. ambassador, meanwhile, said 20 tons of American food aid heading to impoverished Zimbabwean children had been seized by authorities last week and given to Mugabe supporters at a rally.

/what's not mentioned in the MSNBC article is that the Zimbabwean penalty for treason is death

re: #154 Fenway_Nation

But don't you think he would've clarified that instead of slinking away? Still, I'd like to think so....

I'm sure he is embarrassed even if it was, as I think, just some BS & bourbon.
If I'm right, I do hope he'll come back and just say he was being a dumbass and apologize.
I'm sure the lizards would forgive and forget.
(We all say and do silly things, sooner or later.)

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

I only saw the one annoying crybaby (IbrahimX) get the banning stick. Looks like I missed another kerfluffle...

When I left work at 11:30 central time, the count was 12. I would guess it's 25 or more now.

BRB, I'll go find the best moment of the night, IMHO, for you.

A true classic.

re: #176 HardRain

I don't think so, Mandela retired from politics a decade ago and has faded into relative retired obscurity. I do think the allegiance of the ANC as a whole with Zanu-PF and Bob are definitely tied to the past, yes. And to some degree the loony worldview of Mbeki and his cohorts.

You'd think with the credibility he still has in the reigon he could be able to do something....but then again, he was getting up there in years.

/Lost pretty much any respect for him when he went to Cuba to schmooze with Castro and said some pretty mean-spirited and petty things about the USA not too long after 9/11

re: #179 wolfie

From your fingers to God's ear...I made a post once that I knew was stinker from the moment I hit enter..

re: #179 wolfie

I'm sure he is embarrassed even if it was, as I think, just some BS & bourbon.
If I'm right, I do hope he'll come back and just say he was being a dumbass and apologize.
I'm sure the lizards would forgive and forget.
(We all say and do silly things, sooner or later.)

I hope you're right....altho' I doubt grumpy will let it slide.

Mugabe's use of food as a weapon is not incidental. It worked wonders for him in his campaign to quash ethnic resistance in Matabeleland in 1984.

Time reports:

"People are beaten up on the mere suspicion that they are helping dissidents or when they say they do not know anything about dissidents," said the report. It charged that army commanders had adopted a "policy of starvation," telling villagers that they "would first have to eat their chickens, then their goats, then their cattle and then their own children."

re: #181 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, it's all part of the old axis of revolutionary leftist "resistance" movements...

Many of you may not be old enough (yeah, I'm using the "wise" old man defense) to remember Rhodesia and the way the world ganged up on Ian Smith. Suffice to say that to me, everyone fouled up royally, but surely there must have been a better way to bring the black Africans into the 20th and 21st centuries than this! I am afraid that we haven't seen the end of atrocities like this.

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

No- that one got the stick.

re: #186 rustynail

A lesson from this is that South Africa and its then-prime minister Vorster were instrumental in getting the Smith regime to accept change and end its reign. Unfortunately this lesson is lost on contemporary leaders...

re: #186 rustynail

The situation was horribly mishandled, with devastating consequences to this day. See my post # 116 for context.

Okay, now we have some diplomatic advocates flowing in.

/bottom line, without U.S. military intervention, and there will be none, what's going to happen?

re: #156 MrArchieBunker

Hard to say Wolfie, I read some of his comments, he seemed like a stand up guy, but the need to embellish like that is just odd. Downright odd.

Yes. He always seemed a stand-up guy to me.
I remember thinking he might be drunk the night he told that story.

I mean, I don't know anything about the navy. I couldn't tell the difference between a battleship and a destroyer if my life depended on it. But anyone who experienced the Cold War knows our navy didn't use Soviet ports, much less have bases there.
I think if Bob had been sober and were seriously trying to deceive us, he would have made up a better story!

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

I only saw the one annoying crybaby (IbrahimX) get the banning stick. Looks like I missed another kerfluffle...

Darn, Charles deleted the comment I wanted to link to.

He didn't delete his (Charles) response though...

re: #262 Lewis

KevinV is right. Go away.

I can't tell you what the question was -since it's been deleted and I won't write it out- but that was a sure fine answer to it.

/laughed for awhile on that one

re: #182 MrArchieBunker

From your fingers to God's ear...I made a post once that I knew was stinker from the moment I hit enter..

LOL ! :D

By the way, HardRain....any 'insider info' for visitors regarding South Africa? I was thinking of taking a trip down there for a number of reasons (wildlife, Blue Train , an English-speaking country who's currency isn't beating the shit out of the US$)

re: #190 Killian Bundy

Okay, now we have some diplomatic advocates flowing in.

/bottom line, without U.S. military intervention, and there will be none, what's going to happen?

Bottom line, I cannot foresee any positive outcome. Either Mugabe remains, clamps down with even more oppression and clings until the bitter end or the army takes over, as it is basically doing right now. With the people starving and languishing in fear I definitely don't see a resurgence of populist ambitions. In the end I guess it's Mugabe, his cronies or his army who win. What they end up doing is anybody's guess but I have a feeling they'll be most concerned with themselves...

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

JOHANNESBURG, Feb. 8 -- President Thabo Mbeki apologized Friday for his government's failure to prevent crippling power outages across South Africa and warned that restoring a reliable supply of electricity would require new projects and major cuts in usage.

But the largest part of the wide-ranging speech, which Mbeki delivered in a monotone while rarely looking up from a text on the lectern, was devoted to South Africa's electrical shortage. He offered his most forceful and comprehensive response yet to the crisis, which has snarled traffic, darkened homes and idled vast sectors of Africa's largest economy.

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

By the way, HardRain....any 'insider info' for visitors regarding South Africa? I was thinking of taking a trip down there for a number of reasons (wildlife, Blue Train , an English-speaking country who's currency isn't beating the shit out of the US$)

Well, the Rand-Dollar is probably around 8:1 these days so you're definitely getting bang for your buck. You'll find the food has amazing quality and amazing value for money- that's my favorite part of SA :) And yeah, everything is in English. The signs, the maps and the languages are all pretty much centered around English.

Otherwise you mentioned the Blue Train I suspect you might wanna spend some time in Cape Town. It's a beautiful city with the mountains and vineyards but it's definitely very touristy and would probably be pricey. If you want great beaches head up to the Natal coastline with the warm Indian ocean.

Wildlife has to be the Kruger National Park. Sure, there are a bunch of other private reserves that are fine but the Kruger really is something special. I'm sure a proper travel agent will hook you up with all you need.

Otherwise Johannesburg is nice to come out and see how green our city is with all the suburban trees. I wouldn't call it a tourist destination, it's more like an economic hub with the biggest airport and commercial district but it does have some nice attractions like Nelson Mandela Square and the Apartheid Museum.

re: #196 infidel Alan

JOHANNESBURG, Feb. 8 -- President Thabo Mbeki apologized Friday for his government's failure to prevent crippling power outages across South Africa and warned that restoring a reliable supply of electricity would require new projects and major cuts in usage.

But the largest part of the wide-ranging speech, which Mbeki delivered in a monotone while rarely looking up from a text on the lectern, was devoted to South Africa's electrical shortage. He offered his most forceful and comprehensive response yet to the crisis, which has snarled traffic, darkened homes and idled vast sectors of Africa's largest economy.

So a long, cold winter for South Africa?

uh yeah...

There's a whole lot of blood on the floor downstairs.

PARDON
THE
DRIPPING,
R

Well, there's a helpful tourist tip!
Geepers!

"CONCRETE DIVING TEAM"

LOL!
(context)

re: #196 infidel Alan

Yeah, the power outages got really bad before I came out here but from what my friends and family have told me back home is that the situation has improved. They've figured out a proper power management and ration system and it's a national priority.

Most places have their own generators in any case and since the problems began last year plenty more have made sure their emergency power systems are up to standard.

The reason there's a power crisis? Central government mismanagement, of course.

South Africa endured the worst day of what is called "load shedding" by Eskom yesterday, with millions of homes left without power for hours at a time and businesses crippled. On Tuesday, hundreds of tourists were trapped for hours on Cape Town's Table Mountain, and scores more stuck in cable cars half way to the mountain top, by a power cut.

Eskom has warned that the mine closures could last for up to six weeks as it will only be supplying power at "survival level". It predicts that regular blackouts will continue for five years or more until new power stations are built and is considering introducing electricity rationing for private households.

re: #195 HardRain

Bottom line, I cannot foresee any positive outcome. Either Mugabe remains, clamps down with even more oppression and clings until the bitter end or the army takes over, as it is basically doing right now. With the people starving and languishing in fear I definitely don't see a resurgence of populist ambitions. In the end I guess it's Mugabe, his cronies or his army who win. What they end up doing is anybody's guess but I have a feeling they'll be most concerned with themselves...

I'm pretty sure you're correct.

A terse statement in the government gazette said: "It is hereby notified that the Zimbabwe electoral commission with the approval of the minister of justice made the following notice: a poll shall be taken on Friday, June 27, 2008, for the purpose of electing a person to the office of president."

/time to take personal inventory

re: #200 wolfie

Oops! I was answering infidel Alan, not Hard Rain!

re: #196 infidel Alan

JOHANNESBURG, Feb. 8 -- President Thabo Mbeki apologized Friday for his government's failure to prevent crippling power outages across South Africa and warned that restoring a reliable supply of electricity would require new projects and major cuts in usage.

But the largest part of the wide-ranging speech, which Mbeki delivered in a monotone while rarely looking up from a text on the lectern, was devoted to South Africa's electrical shortage. He offered his most forceful and comprehensive response yet to the crisis, which has snarled traffic, darkened homes and idled vast sectors of Africa's largest economy.

These two paragraphs don't make sense to me. He apologized for power outages... BUT... his "wide-ranging" speech focused on electrical shortages".

I'm no electrical engineer, but aren't these two things related?

Good Morning everyone!

Wow, been catching up on the 'fun' yesterday with the neo-fascists and the DL stealth account wipeout.

I think I'd better admit that my mind is asleep even if my fingers are still hunting and pecking! I will wrest them from the keyboard and drag them off to slumberland!
Goodnight, all!

Special thanks to Hard Rain for insight re Zimbabwe, BTW.

re: #206 AmeriDan

My mistake. I didn't indicate that I omitted several paragraphs in between.

re: #203 infidel Alan

Yeah, "load shedding", a polite euphemism for diverting your power elsewhere. Central government bureaucracy + government-owned monopoly power company = failure.

re: #197 HardRain

Also worth noting is the disproportionate amount of meticulously restored steam locomotives hauling tourist trains throughout the country.....

/this is coming from a guy who went to Asuncion, Paraguay because there MIGHT be some 100 year old wood-fired British steam locomotives still hauling trains (there were)

re: #208 wolfie

Special thanks to Hard Rain for insight re Zimbabwe, BTW.

Goodnight, wolfie! Glad to be of insightfulness. :D

re: #211 Fenway_Nation

Haha, well, if trains are your thing I'm sure you'll find them in South Africa between the Cape and Kimberley, the old British diamond route. I never had the chance to ride the Blue Train, sadly, but it is out-of-reach for us commoners who lack powerful currency :p

re: #181 Fenway_Nation

You'd think with the credibility he still has in the reigon he could be able to do something....but then again, he was getting up there in years.

/Lost pretty much any respect for him when he went to Cuba to schmooze with Castro and said some pretty mean-spirited and petty things about the USA not too long after 9/11

THE ANC WAS ALWAYS A COMMIE POPULAR FRONT TYPE PARTY.

re: #207 Athos

Good Morning everyone!

Wow, been catching up on the 'fun' yesterday with the neo-fascists and the DL stealth account wipeout.

Athos! :-)

Honest to goodness, DL?! Is that site still around? And do you know who the culprit was?

/boy, that takes me back...

re: #209 infidel Alan

OK. That makes more sense, I thought it was the two opening paragraphs. It's hard to tell with the MSM these days. Most of what they put out these days makes no sense to me.

re: #214 yochanan

THE ANC WAS ALWAYS A COMMIE POPULAR FRONT TYPE PARTY.

That was something the MSM sugar-coated or hid from me throughout the 1980s- that and Cuba's Imperialist Adventures in Angola.

re: #215 littleoldlady

You can find most of the answers on the thread downstairs.

re: #215 littleoldlady

Multiples.

My last unofficial count was 13 or 14.

There may be more.

AHM
HUNGRY,
R

Rookie

/not long for LGF World

{littleoldlady}

FROM what i can see S.A. is going down the tubes as well it is just 10 years behind what is left of southern africa.

WHOA.

Okay. I'll do my job and then go exploring...

Sharmuta! :-)

Render! :-)

re: #217 Fenway_Nation

That was something the MSM sugar-coated or hid from me throughout the 1980s- that and Cuba's Imperialist Adventures in Angola.

Definitely. And it's their revolutionary marxist policies that we are now reaping the benefits from (read: "load shedding")

Another side-note to this is that Mugabe's Fifth Brigade (which operated in Matabeleland during the massacres) were trained by North Korea...

re: #219 Render

Multiples.

My last unofficial count was 13 or 14.

There may be more.

AHM
HUNGRY,
R

My guess... 30 plus... and counting.

Hang in there, it's almost time to eat.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Howdy littleoldlady :)

I hope you are well.

re: #215 littleoldlady

LittleOldLady! :-)

Looks like a bunch of them were involved, with Evariste and Zorkmidden whinging on the most.

{Dan!} :-)

Fenway! :-)

What kind of fruitcup do they have in South Afirca?

re: #230 Fenway_Nation

What kind of fruitcup do they have in South Afirca?

Fruitcup?

re: #226 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

WoOt!

Thank you dear sweet littleoldlady.

re: #224 HardRain

Definitely. And it's their revolutionary marxist policies that we are now reaping the benefits from (read: "load shedding")

Another side-note to this is that Mugabe's Fifth Brigade (which operated in Matabeleland during the massacres) were trained by North Korea...

THAT I knew...

I'm sure the ANC will market these tough times in SA as a byproduct of not enough socialist policies...

re: #218 Sharmuta

Yeah - spent quite a while going through a couple of downstream threads. It was nice to see Realwest firing away a few times.

re: #233 Fenway_Nation

I'm sure the ANC will market these tough times in SA as a byproduct of not enough socialist policies...

Oh, of course. They're already taking steps to start regulating private health care, an industry which has actually done well because it's been left alone :(

re: #228 Athos

LittleOldLady! :-)

Looks like a bunch of them were involved, with Evariste and Zorkmidden whinging on the most.

OMG! How many years has it been since they've showed up here?

Monty Python time: "Hello, I'm here for an argument."

/life imitating art...LOL!

problem for refuges from Mugabe thugs there really is no were to go if they go to S.A. they are being murdered as well. some time ago there was a link to a blog that had before and after pics from S.A. showing modern shopping centers in the city center which turned into empty eyesores. high rises with the guts removed for scrap metal.

time for the Jews and other TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE to get out of S.A.

re: #236 littleoldlady

OMG! How many years has it been since they've showed up here?

Monty Python time: "Hello, I'm here for an argument."

/life imitating art...LOL!

/Argument Clinic

re: #236 littleoldlady

"No, you're not."

LOL, Exactly!

Completely off topic (like Paraguayan steam trains or South Africa tourism pointers wasn't), I saw Spike Lee on TV sitting courtside at Staples Center for the NBA finals. He was wearing a NY Yankees jersey, clapping and yelling 'Anyone but Boston!' to the camera.

Dear sweet lord I would've loved to have seen footage of that bitter, race-baiting, insignificant hack slinking out of the building when the Lakers blew that...what...26 point lead?

re: #237 yochanan

The Johannesburg CBD was deteriorating in the 70's. Big businesses and companies moved out and simply never went back. Consequently they're basically starting a new set of mini-cities ten miles away in Sandton and Rosebank suburbs.

The CBD today is filled with empty high-rises and cheap tenant housing. It's an abandoned city, trawling with thugs and gangsters from across Africa, notably Nigeria. Nobody goes there after dark, unless they're looking for drugs, guns or hookers.

re: #238 Killian Bundy

Thanks, Killian! :-)

/prepped for dumpster diving ;-)

re: #225 AmeriDan

I was talking about my count.

I'm sure Stinky got more, he always does.

When Stinky is in the zone I just work the flanks.

BOTH
OF
THEM,
R

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

The newscasters here in LALA land were in quite a depression over the loss. I was trying to find the link of Kobe with the press post game. I think you would have liked it.

Here's our local cartoonist's stab at South Africa's policy at the UN regarding Zimbabwe.

And who do bitter insignificant race-baiting hacks endorse for president?

Love the che-esque iconography.

I'd love even more for Mr. Lee to get bitch slapped by Dirty Harry after telling him Flags of Our Fathers wasn't affirmative action enough.

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

Oh My!

Spike Lee can go to the nearest private/public place and finger fuck himself to grunting satisfaction.

Spike Lee- you are indeed a 'race-baiting', cinematic also ran that has the need to insult Clint Eastwood in his ACCURATE portrayal of Iwo Jima.

There were 700 "African American" Marines out of 80,000 plus that landed in Iwo Jima. They were in support roles (and likely were part of the casualties when the Japanese penetrated the rear).

That said - Eastwood made his film in accordance with the realitieas of the day in WWII instead of the PC sensibilities of modern Hollywood.

(ask the Japanese)

re: #243 Render

I was talking about my count.

I'm sure Stinky got more, he always does.

When Stinky is in the zone I just work the flanks.

BOTH
OF
THEM,
R

At 11:30 central the count was at 12. By the time I was online again-around 12:30c- the ban hammer was pounding away at undercover people who maintain membership here but do not post.

The earlier group that was banned was commenting, the later group were logging in to see if they were still active.

I was just trying to update the count as I have seen it play out.

Best regards,

Danny

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Rookie

/not long for LGF World

It would be sad. I did not defend those who where banned, but if I get banned - I do not see why - things are really changing here...

re: #249 Rookie

Rookie- the brussels journal has a history of promoting european crypto-fascists. Recently, they had a post up on jean-marie le pen, the Holocaust denier and nazi sympathizer. They've linked to the BNP, promote fjordman and other racists. They've even attacked Charles. If you really need a clue- I suggest searching the LGF archives.

re: #249 Rookie

It would be sad. I did not defend those who where banned, but if I get banned - I do not see why - things are really changing here.

Who said this?

If someone here can think to an European future not implying bloodshed and violence, I'm eager to hear it.

/when in panic, fear or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout

re: #249 Rookie

Suggest a rethink. E.g., the future (violent or not) of Europe.

You are trying to filter the scenarios of the future through glasses that see the world only as:
F(Europe, Islam)= violence
where "F" is some function that defines the future.

However, may I suggest that the better way of looking at the future is not to try and oppose Europe and Islam (this is where your thinking gets in trouble.) Violence is universal among humans - it is what we do, we kill each other.

Of course there will be violence in Europe's future. Just as there will be in North America, South America, Asia, etc.

re: #249 Rookie

things are really changing here...

Great - more of this.

How would you know?

re: #247 RTLM

if you listen to the p.c. crowd the Tuskegee airmen won the war in Europe did all the fly-boy stuff themselves

re: #249 Rookie

It would be sad. I did not defend those who where banned, but if I get banned - I do not see why - things are really changing here...

Yes, yes, things they are a changin' here. It's not like the good ol' days when we could just spew anything we wanted to in the comments at LGF.

You, Rookie, are a victim and should not have to put up with the "chillin' of your dissent".

Be strong Rookie.

Don't let Big Brother Charles and his minion Killian Bundy hold you down.

Speak Truth To Power!

/or just go to another website

re: #247 RTLM

Exactly, RTLM!

The truth of the matter, MISTER Spike, is that typical white guys were carrying the brunt of the combat burden.

The white guys were fighting, and being wounded, and dying in disproportionate numbers to the black Americans.

IF (big IF) blacks HAD been put on the front lines, contrarian fault-finders like you could have criticized those decision-makers by noting how condescending the white commanders were in FINALLY letting negroes fight, couldn't you?

Whites count in life and history, don't they MISTER Spike? You DID see 'Glory', didn't you?

See, Mr Spike, you can dwell on the shadows OR you can turn to the Light!

To tell the truth I am sick of the fucking Nazi whack-a-mole.

All the ducking and prevaricating.

I think you're all a pack of fat, coddled cowards.

Just fuck off and die slow.

re: #226 littleoldlady

Yummm.

Music by which to munch my fruitcup.

The times they are a changin'

/you're all on the verge of letting these moonbats fem>finally take power before they die off

re: #250 Sharmuta

Rookie- the brussels journal has a history of promoting european crypto-fascists. Recently, they had a post up on jean-marie le pen, the Holocaust denier and nazi sympathizer. They've linked to the BNP, promote fjordman and other racists. They've even attacked Charles. If you really need a clue- I suggest searching the LGF archives.

I see an article combating Holocaust deniers. If jean-marie le pen was hosted there, it's most unfortunate. I could see a link now pointing to the very jean-marie le pen LGF thread, BJ did not ban LGF. So everyone there can see the other side.

But now I realized what happen and where is the dispute.

re: #259 Killian Bundy

The times they are a changin'

/you're all on the verge of letting these moonbats fem>finally take power before they die off

/fem>, I'm not sure what that means and it wasn't intended

If larger numbers of Blacks had fought and died in WWII, Spike and others would be bitching about the disproportional amount of Black Men killed in WWII. It's not just Spike Lee who exercises hypocrisy here either. The entire creative Left demands Artistic freedom for themselves, but never allows it of the Right. It's OK to say that "White Men Can't Jump"... but say that "Black Men Can't Drive" and you're F**KED!

re: #252 freetoken

Suggest a rethink. E.g., the future (violent or not) of Europe.

You are trying to filter the scenarios of the future through glasses that see the world only as:
F(Europe, Islam)= violence
where "F" is some function that defines the future.

However, may I suggest that the better way of looking at the future is not to try and oppose Europe and Islam (this is where your thinking gets in trouble.) Violence is universal among humans - it is what we do, we kill each other.

Of course there will be violence in Europe's future. Just as there will be in North America, South America, Asia, etc.

Freetoken, I'm not talking about common/criminal violence. I'm seeing the future looking through facts, not glasses. Europe population was decimated by two WW. "Opose" it's a nice word, but when it can cost your freedom or even your life... I think you are aware of the fact that some politicians were executed on the street for their anti-islam views, some are living in hiding and somefled to US.

re: #252 freetoken

Oh, thanks for the music, freetoken! :-)

/perfect!