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Malik Obama: My Brother Will Be Good for the Jews, Despite His Muslim Background

Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:18:41 am PDT

Quick, somebody tell Fight the Smears! Someone else is spreading the rumor that Barack Obama has a Muslim background!

Barack Obama’s half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya.

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1 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:19:40am

You try to do something good......

2 Sizzlack  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:19:49am

How long till Kos calls this racism?

3 bruxellesblog  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:19:56am

Rove you magnificent bastard!

4 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:20:04am

Is this the brother who converted to islam?

5 legion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:20:05am

Oh no! He's got a brother! Can you say- Billy Carter?!

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:20:09am

This is not the Malik I knew...

7 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:20:20am

Army radio? WTH is that!

8 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:21:09am

On what version of Earth is he speaking of?

9 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:21:33am

Do you mean to imply that Obama's brother is stating that the democratic candidate for President of the United States of America has lied to the voting public about his background and his religion?

Who would ever have thought. . . . . . .

10 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:21:53am

re: #5 legion

Oh no! He's got a brother! Can you say- Billy Carter?!

Malik Malt?

11 BIG  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:19am

Barrack climbs into the buses driver seat and turns the ignition key. He puts it into gear and steps on the accelerator. Malik screams as the buses wheels grind over him. Just another day in liberal paradise.

12 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:21am

re: #4 newsjunkie_ky

Is this the brother who converted to islam?

How did the brother "convert" to islam when all of Barack Hussein Obama's family resident in Kenya IS muslim already?

13 Sizzlack  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:31am

re: #10 BGOH

Malik Malt?

Or maybe Malik Moussaka

14 SpartanWoman  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:37am

re: #10 BGOH

Malik Malt?

And Abongo Ale?

15 bulwrk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:42am

re: #7 'Nam Grunt

Kenyan army

16 bosforus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:22:48am

Will the smears never end?
-SkyReading

17 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:23:00am

re: #7 'Nam Grunt

Army radio? WTH is that!

Look at where you are.

18 kuffarharbi  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:23:09am

No-one with a Muslim background can be in any way whatsoever good for the Jewish people unless he is an openly declared apostate who publicly highlights all the Jew hatred in the koran. Obama is not this.

19 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:23:22am

Barack The Don Obama Wacks Another Cosa Nostra member

20 kansas  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:23:31am

Part of the faux outrage plan. No way to even restate this without being accused of attacking Obama.

21 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:23:45am

re: #15 bulwrk

HAHAHA, YOU are kidding of course!

22 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:24:48am

I sense a bus toss coming.

23 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:25:13am

re: #17 galloping granny

Exactly what do you mean?

24 maddogg  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:25:36am

Heh, Finally, a conservative tool.....

25 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:25:58am
26 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:26:11am

This is not the half-brother I never knew.

27 tommygum  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #5 legion

Oh no! He's got a brother! Can you say- Billy Carter?!

Will Malik get his own brand of beer?

28 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:27:03am

I'm looking forward to seeing the look on all of their faces when the Obamatrons discover that their Messiah is not leading them to the promised land.

Kinda like the look on Number Three's face in the final scene of tonight's episode of Battlestar Galactica. (Seen it)

29 monkey den  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:27:41am

Enough of this! Is he Muslim or is he not? :)

30 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:27:42am
31 dmh0667  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:27:52am

re: #15 bulwrk

Kenyan army


No, I think this is Israel's Army Radio. The article is from the Jerusalem Post, is it not?

Other than that, I hope Malik Obama will get his 15 minutes here in the US. Lord knows Rezko, Ayers, et. al. will never do so, if the MSM has anything to do with it.

32 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:28:10am

Thruth shall set you free...

33 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #29 monkey den

Other than the fact that he is being so secretive about it....what does it matter really?

34 SpartanWoman  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:28:34am

re: #29 monkey den

Enough of this! Is he Muslim or is he not? :)

That depends on your definition of "is"

35 blutonazi98  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:29:26am

can you believe how quickly the republican smear machine got to Obama's brother?

36 kuffarharbi  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #34 SpartanWoman

That depends on your definition of "is"

Or 'he'

37 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:29:57am

Is his brother bus proof?

38 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:30:03am

re: #33 WrathofG-d

Other than the fact that he is being so secretive about it....what does it matter really?

It matters because he's denied it. If he is in fact considered Muslim, he has lied about his own background. Obama obfuscates outrageously.

39 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:30:08am
40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:30:35am
41 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:31:26am

The secret service will have quite a job protecting Malik if Obama is POTUS.

42 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:31:28am

re: #29 monkey den

Enough of this! Is he Muslim or is he not? :)

He was born a Muslim and was raised Muslim until he was 10 years old, no question about that.

If I studied the Koran, learned and spoke Arabic, recited the Muslim Call to Prayer in perfect Arabic, worshipped in a mosque, and my father, step-father, brothers, and grandfather were Muslim, you might think I was Muslim as well.

43 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:31:45am

A few days ago, I had been thinking about “Sympathy for the Devil” for Obama.
Then, part of Sympathy was posted, I followed up with some of my lines, and got some additional ones from Occasional Reader.

So here is the result, Sympathy for Obama
If anyone has improved verses, please email

Please allow me to introduce myself
Im a man of hope and change
I've been around for few short years
But I'm the object of a new faith.

People think I'm Jesus Christ
Bringing hope and change
Made damn sure that no one
Knows what that change will bring

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my (middle) name
But misleading you
Is the nature of my campaign

I went to Washington
When I saw it was a time for a change
Turned the US socialist
The people screamed in pain

I cut back tanks
with my C-in-C rank
while the jihad raged
and our response, it stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my (middle) name, oh yeah
Ah, misleading you
Is the nature of my campaign, oh yeah

I watched with glee
While the Reverend Wright
Damned America and
Put down Jews and Whites

I shouted out,
"who's the next Kennedy?"
and made y'all think
it was truly me

Let me please introduce myself
Im a man of hope and change
And I played all the race cards
And threw all my friends under the bus

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But misleading you
Is the nature of my campaign, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my (middle) name, oh yeah
But misleading you
Is just the nature of my campaign

Just as every pol is a criminal
That the spinners make into saints

To end this tale
Elect me President
And I'll lay your world to waste

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or Ill lay your world to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed (middle) my name, um yeah
But misleading you
Is the nature of my campaign, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what's my (middle) name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my (middle) name
Tell me voter, what's my (middle) name
I tell you voters, you're to blame

44 NoSubmission  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:32:04am

/Obama's brother is trying to say that the ROP isn't good for Jews?

45 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:32:13am

Fight the smears Malik
by getting under the bus
if you can find room

46 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #3 bruxellesblog

Rove you magnificent bastard!

Just when we were really getting desperate!

47 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:32:59am

Muslim is seared into the Obama's brain!

48 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #38 goddessoftheclassroom

Fair enough. I just hope people aren't thinking that his being Muslim by itself is something that should disqualify him.

One does have to wonder why Obama is so secretive about everything though.

I consider Obam'uh the disingenuous RFK.

49 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:33:18am

Fight the Smears may become the busiest website on earth.

50 TheMedianSib  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:33:39am

Add one more to the growing list of folks for BO to disassociate himself from - "He's not the half-brother I knew."

51 kynna  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:10am

What's wrong with a Muslim background? It sounds fun!

/newly graduated college student

52 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:24am

re: #48 WrathofG-d

Fair enough. I just hope people aren't thinking that his being Muslim by itself is something that should disqualify him.

One does have to wonder why Obama is so secretive about everything though.

I consider Obam'uh the disingenuous RFK.

I don't see how anyone can have any aith in what Obama says about anything.

53 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:29am

Malik isn't the 1/2 brother I used to know.
(dang history is repeating itself again ;)

54 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:29am

Rush just said that his site is down, boy is that an understatement!

55 NoSubmission  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:32am

Obama needs to hand out gag orders to his friends.. family... etc.

56 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:34:42am

i love it when his moslem relatives try to make him look good.
his gramma waffled abt, being a moslem, then a christian, then a moslem.
now this moslem brother is making absurd pronouncements abt. how he knows b.o. will be good for the jews. (how does this fool know?)
we need 'roy' obama to start yapping abt. being a moslem radical trying to spread sharia in kenya.

57 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:35:15am

Malik : His half brother

Is he from the white side of the family ?

/

58 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #52 goddessoftheclassroom

in inadvertently answered your own question. It is all about Faith, not about Truth, not about proveable facts...its about Faith.

59 pat  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:35:52am

Is this the half brother that went to Stanford? If so, everything I have read indicates he is a fine person.

60 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:35:53am

Ah Malik Obama, we hardly knew ya...

61 monkey den  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:35:58am

re: #33 WrathofG-d

Other than the fact that he is being so secretive about it....what does it matter really?

That's exactly right. I don't really care. But this on again of again stuff is just silly. I'm sure Dearborn is asking the same question, though with very different intent.

62 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #48 WrathofG-d

In my mind it does; the USA has freedom here, and separation of religion from government, and the Islamic faith never has these things, by its very nature.

So if he's Muslim in my mind he's disqualified.

63 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:07am

Does the "long" form of the Hawaiian birth certificate list "religion"?

64 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:16am

re: #12 galloping granny
It was roy who changed his name to obongo:
The way Barack Obama describes his oldest half-brother in his book, Abongo (Roy) Obama inherited their father's hard-drinking ways but straightened his life out by embracing Islam and his African heritage.

Abongo Obama began using his Luo tribal first name and had sworn off pork, smoking and drinking by the time of his younger brother's 1992 wedding.

"Abongo's new lifestyle has left him lean and clear-eyed, and at the wedding, he looked so dignified in his black African gown with white trim and matching cap that some of our guests mistook him for my father," Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.

An accountant, Abongo Obama also argued that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture," Obama wrote. "But the magic of his laughter remains, and we can disagree without rancor."
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

65 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:30am

re: #56 nyc redneck

I chuckle in their general direction.

No wait-make that fart.

66 daveolson  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:42am

he ain't heavy, he's my brother - under the bus!

67 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:48am

I wonder if he will make his brother another speed bump on the road to the White House?

68 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:36:49am

re: #54 'Nam Grunt

Rush just said that his site is down, boy is that an understatement!

Seems to be working for me. (Are you talking about Rush's website, or a different one?)

69 maddogg  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:37:15am

re: #49 faraway

Fight the Smears may become the busiest website on earth.


Mebbe they should upgrade the plumbing, its starting to require a fire hose to keep the flames down....

70 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:37:19am

re: #23 'Nam Grunt

Exactly what do you mean?

It isn't our Army Radio. That is the Jerusalem Post website (though I did also see this story elsewhere this morning.) so it was either the Kenyan Army or the Israeli Army Radio.

71 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:37:37am

re: #63 goddessoftheclassroom

Does the "long" form of the Hawaiian birth certificate list "religion"?

Might very well from the 60s.

72 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:37:48am

Big deal. We have proof McCain was an episcopalian as a child.

/Colmes talking point on H&C tonite.

73 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:12am

re: #59 pat

More info...any linkies?

74 greenmiler  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:26am
75 satan sidekick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:36am

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent work. A wet fart in the wind indeed - I especially enjoyed the "demented and strange" It pretty much sums up the Dem party of 2008.

I believe Obama has another half-brother who lives in the US and is a Muslim. Maybe this is the same guy who is now in Kenya.

76 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:45am

re: #64 newsjunkie_ky

It was roy who changed his name to obongo:
The way Barack Obama describes his oldest half-brother in his book, Abongo (Roy) Obama inherited their father's hard-drinking ways but straightened his life out by embracing Islam and his African heritage.

Abongo Obama began using his Luo tribal first name and had sworn off pork, smoking and drinking by the time of his younger brother's 1992 wedding.

"Abongo's new lifestyle has left him lean and clear-eyed, and at the wedding, he looked so dignified in his black African gown with white trim and matching cap that some of our guests mistook him for my father," Obama wrote in Dreams From My Father.

An accountant, Abongo Obama also argued that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture," Obama wrote. "But the magic of his laughter remains, and we can disagree without rancor."
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

And yet the Kenyan grandma states that all of the family except Obama is muslim.

77 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:46am

The Republican Party of the Republic of Texas is starting to wake and stretch their arms and yawn, blinky eyed and saying Obama?, yeah I had some of that on my boots last night!

78 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:38:49am

re: #70 galloping granny

I'm pretty sure it meant Israeli Army Radio ("Galei Tzahal").

79 equable  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:11am
80 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:14am

You know, it's well past time that someone do a cloud diagram showing the six degrees of separation between Obama and the riff raff that he's associated with over the years.

The RNC could do a whole series of print ads - or commercials on this theme.

Show Obama at the center.. and in pop up video fashion, note Rezko, Ayers (and perhaps showing him standing on the US flag and a link then to the funeral of NYS troopers murdered by Ayers' compatriots in the Weather Underground), Wright, Pfleger, Johnson, Holder, etc.

There's certainly more than enough material on just that front alone.

81 Endangered in MASS  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:22am

He may be his half brother but he's getting thrown under the whole bus..

Here comes the bus!

Here comes the bus1

82 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:23am

re: #62 Ojoe

Even if Obama was a dyed in the Kiffiyeh Muslim (which he doesn't seem to be) he would still be constrained by the U.S. Constitution. You can have any concerns that you wish (dang, I'll even acknowledge your right to have prejudices [if you had them]) but I am not so concerned about the religion of a nominee. To me it is what they wish to do with the Power. Even the most religious could intend not to concern themselves with their own religion.

83 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:24am

re: #75 satan sidekick

Excellent work. A wet fart in the wind indeed - I especially enjoyed the "demented and strange" It pretty much sums up the Dem party of 2008.

I believe Obama has another half-brother who lives in the US and is a Muslim. Maybe this is the same guy who is now in Kenya.

Daddy had 8 wives total as I recall, so he might very well have more than one half brother.

84 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:39:55am

re: #72 Maine's Michael

Big deal. We have proof McCain was an episcopalian as a child.

/Colmes talking point on H&C tonite.

Do Episcopalians issue a murder threat if ya leave?

85 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #64 newsjunkie_ky

It was roy who changed his name to obongo:
The way Barack Obama describes his oldest half-brother in his book, Abongo (Roy) Obama inherited their father's hard-drinking ways but straightened his life out by embracing Islam and his African heritage.

An accountant, Abongo Obama also argued that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture," Obama wrote. "But the magic of his laughter remains, and we can disagree without rancor."
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Are you sure Abongo isn't Reverend Wright's half-brother?

86 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:40:17am

I can envision hundreds of kids in tennis shoes and dashikis with their fingers plugging the leaks in the Fight the Smears dike.

87 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:40:35am

re: #72 Maine's Michael

Big deal. We have proof McCain was an episcopalian as a child.

/Colmes talking point on H&C tonite.

Several presidents have been Episcopalians. None has been a Muslim. The are inherent conflicts between that faith and being president, beginning with swearing to uphold the Constitution,

88 GregInSeattle  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:40:53am

List this under the list of things that make you say, "Hmmmmm"

89 pat  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:41:01am

re: #73 WriterMom

More info...any linkies?

Sorry. Just what I read in the local paper and a couple of columns here and there. He is a physicist working for a EU firm.

90 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:41:02am

re: #68 Fat Jolly Penguin

Obama's, must be back up!

91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:41:09am

re: #86 faraway

I can envision hundreds of kids in tennis shoes and dashikis with their fingers plugging the leaks in the Fight the Smears dike.

Dont forget the ones in the Che t-shirts

92 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:41:59am

re: #75 satan sidekick

Excellent work. A wet fart in the wind indeed - I especially enjoyed the "demented and strange" It pretty much sums up the Dem party of 2008.

I believe Obama has another half-brother who lives in the US and is a Muslim. Maybe this is the same guy who is now in Kenya.

Malik is the older half-brother.
They met in 1985.

93 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:42:00am

re: #72 Maine's Michael

Big deal. We have proof McCain was an episcopalian as a child.

/Colmes talking point on H&C tonite.

It is a big deal for two reasons:

1. He has lied about it.

2. He has clearly stated that he first "accepted Jesus" at Trinity with Wright - 20 ish years ago, as an adult. That would make him, if true, a muslim apostate. All true muslims would be under fatwah to try to kill him. How, then, could he be expected to even visit the Middle East or conduct any kind of diplomacy with muslims?

94 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:42:57am
Barack Obama’s half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

"That's not the half that I knew."

-bho

95 satan sidekick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:44:05am

re: #72 Maine's Michael


HA HA HA - Perfect imitation of skeletor.

96 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:44:09am

The problem isn't necessarily that Obama is Muslim.

The problem is that Obama states clearly he has never been Muslim and has never practiced Islam.

Both of these statements are deceptions and lies.

97 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:44:11am

re: #93 galloping granny

One could make the case that swearing to uphold the US constitution (no state religion) is an act of taqqiya, and President Obama would get a mulligan from the mullahs.

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:45:18am
99 Sir Napsalot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:45:19am

What exactly is a muslim background?

How much does it seep through?

100 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:45:29am

re: #83 galloping granny
What I've seen is when barack's daddy died he had 3 wives. But i've also seen it posted that he had 'at least 3 wives'.

101 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:46:09am

We need more stories about Obama's good brother - Mark:

"'So, Mark,' I said, turning to my brother, 'I hear you're at Berkeley.'

"'Stanford,' he corrected. His voice was deep, his accent perfectly American. 'I'm in my last year of the physics program there.'"


They meet once more, for lunch:


"I asked him how it felt being back for the summer.

"'Fine,' he said. 'It's nice to see my mom and dad, of course. ... As for the rest of Kenya, I don't feel much of an attachment. Just another poor African country.'

"'You don't ever think about settling here?'

"Mark took a sip from his Coke. 'No,' he said. 'I mean, there's not much work for a physicist, is there, in a country where the average person doesn't have a telephone.'

"I should have stopped then, but something -- the certainty in this brother's voice, maybe, or our rough resemblance, like looking into a foggy mirror -- made me want to push harder. I asked, "Don't you ever feel like you might be losing something?'

"Mark put down his knife and fork, and for the first time that afternoon his eyes looked straight into mine.

"'I understand what you're getting at,' he said flatly. 'You think that somehow I'm cut off from my roots, that sort of thing.' He wiped his mouth and dropped the napkin onto his plate. 'Well, you're right. At a certain point, I made a decision not think about who my real father was. He was dead to me even when he was still alive. I knew that he was a drunk and showed no concern for his wife or children. That was enough.'

"'It made you mad.'

"'Not mad. Just numb.'

"'And that doesn't bother you? Being numb, I mean?'

"'Towards him, no. Other things move me. Beethoven's symphonies. Shakespeare's sonnets. I know -- it's not what an African is supposed to care about. But who's to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about? Understand, I'm not ashamed of being half Kenyan. I just don't ask myself a lot of questions about what it all means. About who I really am.' He shrugged. 'I don't know. Maybe I should. I can acknowledge the possibility that if looked more carefully at myself, I would ...'

"For the briefest moment I sensed Mark hesitate, like a rock climber losing his footing. Then, almost immediately, he regained his composure and waved for the check.

"'Who knows?' he said. 'What's certain is that I don't need the stress. Life's hard enough without all that excess baggage.'

"... Outside we exchanged addresses and promised to write, with a dishonesty that made my heart ache."

BTW, there's something at that link that I haven't read yet - that Obama's dad beat his third wife. I don't guess that's what Obama meant when he titled one of his books Dreams from my Father.

102 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:46:15am

re: #60 lawhawk

Ah Malik Obama, we hardly knew ya...

sweet jebus! those pics are something else. how long before obama starts the spin that he was found by his mother on her doorstep in a basket with a note? or in that vein maybe win some Jewish votes by saying his mother found him floating down the river in a reed basket wearing a levi cloth? obamoses?

103 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:46:45am

re: #85 Kosh's Shadow
Go to the link and see the family picture including barack and roy (obongo).

104 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:46:53am

This guy Obama is nothing but a poser for the muslims, trying to destroy us from within!

105 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:47:07am

re: #29 monkey den,

He's not a Mohammedan, he's a Lightworker! They're trans-religious, worshipping only themselves. To some he is a God. To the rest of us, he's just plain scary.

Whether he's a Mohammedan or not.

106 TheBad  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:47:13am

re: #29 monkey den

Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter in the long-run. Regardless if the man is Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic or Satan worshiper – his ideas on policy would be devastating to our nation. The rest is just white noise.

Conservatives need to get off this subject. It’s irrelevant to the reasoning of why he shouldn’t be elected.

107 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #79 equable

Off topic, but...

French Chop Down Historic 'Name Trees' Carved by U.S. Soldiers During Normandy Invasion

Thanks again, France!

It's a sad story, but I'm heartened by the French people mentioned in the article that opposed the cutting, and are trying to save the remaining ones. Some Frenchmen still remember our sacrifice.

108 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:47:54am

re: #87 goddessoftheclassroom

Uh, I was being sarcastic . . . .

109 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:47:55am

re: #27 tommygum

Will Malik get his own brand of beer?

Or goat milk?

110 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:22am

re: #82 WrathofG-d

One's religion reflects one's basic assumptions about life and it colors all the person's actions in many ways, IMHO.

111 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:26am

re: #108 Maine's Michael

Uh, I was being sarcastic . . . .

Oops--my bad!

112 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:35am

re: #28 The Other Les

I'm looking forward to seeing the look on all of their faces when the Obamatrons discover that their Messiah is not leading them to the promised land.

Kinda like the look on Number Three's face in the final scene of tonight's episode of Battlestar Galactica. (Seen it)

Please don't spoil it for us!

113 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:35am

re: #82 WrathofG-d

For me, it's not so much the religion, as it is the lying about it that is making the hair stick up on the back of my neck. Obama is lying when he doesn't need to, over and over again. He gave an interview to the NYT in 2007 confirming his muslim background. As of the primary start, his whole campaign and MSM cronies insist that he's never been muslim. Why is he just be straight forward about his childhood roots, and his American right to change his religion in adult hood? Why hasn't he just release the whole birth certificate to a reputable sources? And then, he lies about an awful lot of things. He lies about Ayres just a guy in the neighborhood, when he actually sat on a board with him. The list of lies is lengthy. You get my point. The unnecessary lies just hammer the point home that he will lie about anything, even things that are not worth lying about.

114 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:39am

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

What I've seen is when barack's daddy died he had 3 wives. But i've also seen it posted that he had 'at least 3 wives'.

What I've seen said that over the course of his lifetime he had 8 of them total, Obama's mama being one of them.

115 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #95 satan sidekick

HA HA HA - Perfect imitation of skeletor.

Thanks. You're the first who got it . . .

116 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:48:53am

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

117 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:49:39am

re: #104 'Nam Grunt

This guy Obama is nothing but a poser for the muslims, trying to destroy us from within!

If he's elected, look for us to have a star chamber human rights court like they have in Canada, and laws that forbid criticizing islam.

Gird your loins. It's coming.

118 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:49:49am

I'm going to take a nap. See y'all later.

119 schultzw  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:50:06am

re: #116 Charles

just another consequence of being a part of the right-wing smear machine

120 TheBad  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:50:10am

re: #116 Charles

Isn't that a good thing?

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:50:11am
122 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:50:25am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

It's nice to be loved, isn't it?

/

123 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #106 TheBad

Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter in the long-run. Regardless if the man is Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic or Satan worshiper – his ideas on policy would be devastating to our nation. The rest is just white noise.

Conservatives need to get off this subject. It’s irrelevant to the reasoning of why he shouldn’t be elected.

Lies are NEVER irrelevant. Repeated lies, especially as regards his background, indicate that he has problems with discernment and that he is not to be trusted. Those who lie in small things lie also in big things. Those you cannot trust with a $5 bill you cannot trust with a million dollars.

124 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:51:28am

And Charles, if you talk to your mom, tell her that there are lots of lizards that keep you and her in their prayers.

125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:51:38am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Out of curiosity, who seems more fanatical, the islamists or the obamists?

126 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:51:59am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Out of curiosity, who seems more fanatical, the islamists or the obamists?

Good question.

127 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:09am

anybody hear the guy on Rush a while ago suggesting that the Limbaugh listening audience go on the obama smear website at 3 PM Eastern.

He was a good caller. I'll bet he's a lizard.

and I liked the idea of trying to crash his server at 3 PM

128 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:14am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

That's all? You're doing good then. Maybe you should start a "Best of Charles Hate Mail" page like Zombie has.

129 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:26am

re: #123 galloping granny

Lying must come easily to those who have no values.

130 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:28am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

If you think hate mail is bad, just wait until he loses.If you think hate mail is bad, just wait until he loses.

131 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #116 Charles,

Do you get a commission based on hate mail from the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy? You deserve a raise.

132 TheBad  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:52:41am

re: #123 galloping granny

"Lies are NEVER irrelevant"

Certainly true. His religion is irrelevant.

133 GreenBear  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:11am

I'm beginning to think BHO's handlers are leaking out these little "outrageous" items just to bait our side into overreacting like the birth record yesterday (or the "whitey" papers of Michelle).

It's all smoke and mirrors.

His birth origin is a nonstarter but as long as he's mysterious about it, we seem to keep our attention there instead of finding the real smoking gun or skeleton in his closet.

Same with his foreign bro here. Have him say something that sounds outside the official talking points but that is not concrete enough to really do any damage. Then wait for the rabid dogs to jump on it and say, "Ah, ha!" Later, it turns out he was speaking of BHO's relatives who happen to be Muslim. That's a background, isn't it? What's the Obi-Wan Kenobi line? "So you see, it's true from a certain point of view."

Pretty soon the MSM can point out how mean the right is and that none of these so-called "dark secrets" of BHO has ever panned out. Conservatives become the villians who cried wolf. Then when something truly heinous surfaces, fewer people give it much weight because they're sick of hearing another red herring from the right.

We need to show restraint and vet these stories carefully and learn to tell the difference between the ones that have meat on their bones and the rawhide toys that BHO's own machine is planting in the press. They're fun to chew on, but in the end, they'll leave our political bellies empty and BHO in the White House.

GB

134 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:26am

re: #130 loppyd

If you think hate mail is bad, just wait until he loses.If you think hate mail is bad, just wait until he loses.

Yeah, I'll say. Yeah, I'll say.

:-P

135 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:27am

LOL

I just sounded like Jimmy Two Times from Goodfellas.

136 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:52am

re: #116 Charles

Obama supporters expressing hate?

nah. must be republican hate mailers.

Charles, for every pimple faced Obamaniac e-mailing you from his mother's basement, remember that there are 10,000 people like me out here who would pick up a torch and pitchfork and go to battle for you

137 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:52am

Obama was found in a basket floating down the Nile as a newborn by a handmaiden and whisked off to the USA to lead us out of the wilderness. Where's the remote!

138 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:53:56am

OT:

Charles, what do you think of having a "U.N." category in the spinoffs?

139 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:11am

re: #113 seekeroftruth

For me, it's not so much the religion, as it is the lying about it that is making the hair stick up on the back of my neck. Obama is lying when he doesn't need to, over and over again. He gave an interview to the NYT in 2007 confirming his muslim background. As of the primary start, his whole campaign and MSM cronies insist that he's never been muslim. Why is he just be straight forward about his childhood roots, and his American right to change his religion in adult hood? Why hasn't he just release the whole birth certificate to a reputable sources? And then, he lies about an awful lot of things. He lies about Ayres just a guy in the neighborhood, when he actually sat on a board with him. The list of lies is lengthy. You get my point. The unnecessary lies just hammer the point home that he will lie about anything, even things that are not worth lying about.

There is a psychological term for people like that. Pathological liar.

140 kywrite  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:13am

re: #63 goddessoftheclassroom

no. unfortunately, there's only the one form.

/looked all this up yesterday -- I live @ pearl harbor.

141 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:32am

re: #139 galloping granny

Exactly.

142 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:46am

re: #127 Shug

anybody hear the guy on Rush a while ago suggesting that the Limbaugh listening audience go on the obama smear website at 3 PM Eastern.

He was a good caller. I'll bet he's a lizard.

and I liked the idea of trying to crash his server at 3 PM

That's almost too messiah-ish. After all, it was 3:00 when Jesus died on the cross.

143 Arbalest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:54am

Wait for it:

"That's not the half-brother I knew?"

Is it just me or does this line, and variations, seem unnecessarily odiferously stale?

Do the rest of America just hold their noses?

144 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:54:59am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.


they are a vicious group. wait until he loses....whoa nelly! thats when the real sh*t starts. it'll make the LA rodney king riots, 60's race riots, the 68 dem convention, look like a saturday at disney world!

145 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:55:34am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Charles, I always love it when you share the hate mail you receive with us. Would it be possible to create a link to a page where you post it as you get it? That would crazy. CRAZY AWESOME!

146 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:55:43am

re: #137 'Nam Grunt

Obama was found in a basket floating down the Nile as a newborn by a handmaiden and whisked off to the USA to lead us out of the wilderness. Where's the remote!

Bithia Obama?

/my head hurts

147 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:55:49am

re: #144 Spider Mensch

they are a vicious group. wait until he loses....

It will be just like after Friday afternoon prayers

but

I can't wait till he loses

148 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:56:14am

re: #101 SeafoodGumbo

Thanks for that post!
Some of us were confused about which Obama brother is which!

149 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:56:19am

Obama Sr was married in Kenya to Kezia.

Then he moved to Hawaii and got 17 year old Ann pregnant with Barry II.

Then he moved to Harvard where he met and later married Ruth.

Wiki says

Besides United States Senator Barack Obama, Barack Obama Sr. fathered six other sons and a daughter. All but one live in Britain or the United States.

His children with Kezia include their sons Roy (now known as Abong'o), Bernard, and Abo, and daughter Auma who is a social worker running a children's trust in the United Kingdom. Obama Sr. had two sons with Ruth, named David and Mark. Mark studied physics at Stanford, and now lives in China and is engaged to a Chinese woman.His eighth child, George, was with a woman in Kenya whom he was planning to marry at the time of his death.

Hmmm... don't see a Malik in that list. I wonder if this another setup by the Obama people.

150 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:56:44am

re: #135 loppyd

LOL

I just sounded like Jimmy Two Times from Goodfellas.


my 144 makes it a three bagger...lol gmta

151 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:56:57am

re: #149 faraway

maybe Malik changed his name after he joined the NOI

152 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:57:27am

re: #147 Shug,

I can't wait until he loses. It will be like the sun coming out from threatening storm clouds.

153 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:57:30am

re: #113 seekeroftruth

There you see basic religious assumptions influencing actions.

154 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:58:26am

b.o spent half of his life in a N.O.I. hate church embracing and honoring farrakhan. that is an ugly unacceptable connection.

155 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:58:49am

re: #138 gop_patriot

Since you brought that up, can someone tell me why all of the spinoff links posted are under the "terrorism" tag? Is it just because that is the default option? I've always wondered this...

156 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:58:58am

re: #152 Iron Fist

,

I can't wait until he loses. It will be like the sun coming out from threatening storm clouds.

Watching Chrissy Matthews and Keith Olberdink weep on TV will be quite satisfying.

157 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 10:59:02am

re: #153 Ojoe

As Obama continues to lie and lie, I can't help but think the same thing.

158 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:00:05am

Obamomessiah: Throwing brothers under the Obamabus.

/equal opportunity disassiociation

159 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:00:12am

re: #156 loppyd

Watching Chrissy Matthews and Keith Olberdink weep on TV will be quite satisfying.

That's gonna be sweeeeet.

160 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:00:21am

"The Jews are People of the Book. As long as they, like Christians, pay their jizya and behave like good Dhimmis, my brother Barack will be gracious to them. I do hope, however, that he will do something about those awful polytheists."

161 kywrite  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:00:40am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Means you're doing your job. Congrats!

162 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:01:00am

Hey Bunny-hop, how You doin'? ;-)

163 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:01:29am

re: #79 equable

Off topic, but...

French Chop Down Historic 'Name Trees' Carved by U.S. Soldiers During Normandy Invasion

Thanks again, France!

I hope that at least they put the trunk in a museum. Tetes-de-merde.

164 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:01:49am

re: #42 faraway

He was born a Muslim and was raised Muslim until he was 10 years old, no question about that.

If I studied the Koran, learned and spoke Arabic, recited the Muslim Call to Prayer in perfect Arabic, worshipped in a mosque, and my father, step-father, brothers, and grandfather were Muslim, you might think I was Muslim as well.

Some of these details are incorrect. He lived in Indonesia, a majority Muslim country for four years between ages 6 and 10. During that time, he went to a Catholic school for two years and a public school where religion classes were taught for an hour/week for two years. Apparently, he was registered by his Muslim step-father at that school as a Muslim, although I have seen no documentation of that. If so, he'd have studied Islam for an hour a week for two years.

He returned to Hawaii and spent all the rest of his elementary and high school years in a private school with a Christian heritage.

165 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:02:13am

Way O/T, but hopefully one of you experts can help. When my brother starts his eMachines (windows XP) computer he sees the following message:

"We apologize for the inconvenience, but Windows did not start successfully. A recent hardware or software change might have caused this.

If your computer stopped responding, restarted unexpectedly, or was automatically shut down to protect your files and folders, choose Last Known Good Configuration to revert to the most recent settings that worked.

If a previous startup attempt was interrupted due to a power failure or because the Power or Reset button was pressed, or if you aren't sure what caused the problem, choose Start Windows
Normally.

Safe Mode
Safe Mode with Networking
Safe Mode with Command Prompt

Last Known Good Configuration (your most recent settings that worked) Start Windows Normally

Use the up and down arrow keys to move the highlight to your choice."


He said he did not add any new hardware or software, and the computer did not come with an XP CD and it won't go into the recovery mode. Any suggestions, other than buying a mac :) ?

166 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:02:17am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.


That just means you are pushing buttons that they do not want pushed
It means you are doing something Right

167 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:02:22am

re: #155 BGOH

Since you brought that up, can someone tell me why all of the spinoff links posted are under the "terrorism" tag? Is it just because that is the default option? I've always wondered this...

It is because you once selected that option so that is what it goes back to. Choose something like "Most Recent" to see the latest.

168 zmdavid  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:02:24am

re: #155 BGOH
I see other categories.

169 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:03:04am

re: #162 'Nam Grunt

Hey Bunny-hop, how You doin'? ;-)

Hi Nam!

I'm good. Trying to clean off my desk so I can get out of here early!

How are you? Big Father's Day plans?

170 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Bang on it.
If that doesn't work, Geek Squad

171 dsrtegl  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Charles,

I think you should put up a page of the more outrageous ones for our entertainment.

It would give us something to laugh about, and would only make the sender look silly.

/my 2¢

172 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #148 wolfie

Thanks for that post!
Some of us were confused about which Obama brother is which!

It's hard to keep up with who's who in that family considering their dad was such a philanderer.

173 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:03:57am

re: #156 loppyd,

That will be just too precious! I do take true joy in crushing my enemies. Watching the L³eft freak after Obambi loses will be worth the price of admission.

174 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

It's hard to keep up with who's who in that family considering their dad was such a philanderer.

such racist hate speech!

/

175 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Bad memory or hard drive probably

176 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:04:39am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Probably just Start Windows Normally. Windows will also give that screen if it didn't shut down correctly last time it was turned off -- like just hitting the power switch instead of letting it close Windows first. If it does it again, hit Last Known Good Configuration.

177 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:04:55am

re: #167 galloping granny

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh. Thanks Granny.

/Why is it every time I ask a question about this site I end up looking like an idiot? Wait...don't answer that.

178 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:04:59am

re: #173 Iron Fist

,

That will be just too precious! I do take true joy in crushing my enemies. Watching the L³eft freak after Obambi loses will be worth the price of admission.

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women (Matthews & Olbermann)!"

179 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:05:29am

re: #169 loppyd

Fresh jumbo shrimp boiled, bbq'd and fried, and huge ribeyes with my Boy's. ;-)

180 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:05:38am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

[Link: www.superpages.com...]

181 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:05am

re: #173 Iron Fist

Remember the funeral garb Katie and Matt were wearing the day after Bush won re-election? She was visably shaken and kept asking every guest "what happened?" with a pained expression on her face.

182 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:15am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Way O/T, but hopefully one of you experts can help. When my brother starts his eMachines (windows XP) computer he sees the following message:

"We apologize for the inconvenience, but Windows did not start successfully. A recent hardware or software change might have caused this.

If your computer stopped responding, restarted unexpectedly, or was automatically shut down to protect your files and folders, choose Last Known Good Configuration to revert to the most recent settings that worked.

If a previous startup attempt was interrupted due to a power failure or because the Power or Reset button was pressed, or if you aren't sure what caused the problem, choose Start Windows
Normally.

Safe Mode
Safe Mode with Networking
Safe Mode with Command Prompt

Last Known Good Configuration (your most recent settings that worked) Start Windows Normally

Use the up and down arrow keys to move the highlight to your choice."


He said he did not add any new hardware or software, and the computer did not come with an XP CD and it won't go into the recovery mode. Any suggestions, other than buying a mac :) ?

Did the computer come with a rescue disk? Unfortunately, without a boot disk the only option is to buy a Mac. And starting with XP, Microsoft has made it darned near impossible to use a boot disc from my machine to boot his.

He might try calling the Microsoft service desk - or eMachines.

You might also crack the case and use some canned air to blow the dust out of everything inside. My Windows machine tends to crash like that in hot weather if it is dusty.

183 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:23am

re: #179 'Nam Grunt

Fresh jumbo shrimp boiled, bbq'd and fried, and huge ribeyes with my Boy's. ;-)

Your post always make me hungry ! : - )

184 Dustyvet  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #17 galloping granny

Look at where you are.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD MORRRRRRRRRRNING...Oh never mind!

185 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:37am

re: #157 seekeroftruth

The 10 Commandments is conspicuously absent from a certain book.

186 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #176 Fat Jolly Penguin

Probably just Start Windows Normally. Windows will also give that screen if it didn't shut down correctly last time it was turned off -- like just hitting the power switch instead of letting it close Windows first. If it does it again, hit Last Known Good Configuration.

That's the problem- No matter what he selects, it come back to the We apologize for the inconvenience screen.

187 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:00am

re: #164 JustMyView

Some of these details are incorrect.

Name one detail that is incorrect. Just one.

188 loppyd  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:06am

re: #179 'Nam Grunt

Fresh jumbo shrimp boiled, bbq'd and fried, and huge ribeyes with my Boy's. ;-)

Sounds perfect!

Will the poochies get some scraps?

189 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:20am

re: #142 Ward Cleaver

That's almost too messiah-ish. After all, it was 3:00 when Jesus died on the cross.

And the server was brought back up 3 days later!

190 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:25am

re: #139 galloping granny

There is a psychological term for people like that. Pathological liar.

Another term: politician

191 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:26am

Man have I been missing a lot of good stuff in the spinoffs!

/Man am I stoopid.

192 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #177 BGOH

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh. Thanks Granny.

/Why is it every time I ask a question about this site I end up looking like an idiot? Wait...don't answer that.

Don't mean to make you look like an idiot. I just happen to know the answer because I spent three days wondering why the links didn't update. Stuck on Video :(

193 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:07:55am

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

It's hard to keep up with who's who in that family considering their dad was such a philanderer.

Yep. I actually read Dreams From My Father a few months ago.
Even so, I can't keep the family straight. I should have made a diagram!

194 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:03am

re: #186 Bob in Breckenridge

That's the problem- No matter what he selects, it come back to the We apologize for the inconvenience screen.

Oh, I hate it when they do that. Well, like galloping granny said, it might help to blow the dust out, check the cables to make sure they're all plugged in, that kind of stuff.

195 Ciannaky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:08am

re: #186 Bob in Breckenridge

Did you try starting in safe mode then shutting down and rebooting?

196 sabra412  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:09am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.


Charles, that is a step in the right direction.
Now,you just need to be chosen by Keith Olbermann as "The worst person in the world"

197 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:16am

re: #180 right wing zephyr

Problem with that is the computer is in Missouri : )

198 maddogg  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:19am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Will you share those nearest and dearest?

199 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:08:57am

Michelle "Obamarosa" Obama on Rush introducing "My baby daddy"

200 ccrnyc  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:09:34am

re: #116 Charles

Man, my hate mail has really picked up in the last month. I'm getting at least 5-10 a day now, most from Obama supporters.

Weren't you getting twice as much during the Kerry campaign?
Either you're slacking off, or Obama supporters are borderline semi-illiterate.

Hope and change. hope and change.

201 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:09:35am

I told him that it's a 5 year computer, so it needs to be replaced anyway.

202 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:09:51am

re: #42 faraway

And then converted to "Christianity" run by an "ex-Muslim" when you were an adult and associated with "Black Muslims" and had several of them on your staff. Woops there seems to be a pattern appearing...

I doubt he considers himself presently "Muslim", but about that background...

203 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:09:53am

re: #199 Shug

Hahahahaha
LOL
I am listening too

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:10:04am
205 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:10:13am
206 BGOH  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:10:16am

re: #192 galloping granny

Don't mean to make you look like an idiot. I just happen to know the answer because I spent three days wondering why the links didn't update. Stuck on Video :(

Oh no, I certainly wasn't trying to say that you made me look like an idiot! Believe me, I do that job well enough on my own! LOL I really am grateful for you pointing that out to me.

Heh - anyone else listening to Rush right now? Michelle called Barack her "baby's daddy" at his Senate victory celebration. Heh.

207 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:10:29am

re: #197 Bob in Breckenridge

hah! you get the idea though.

208 Shug  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:10:53am

Hi Dr Laura. I am My baby Daddy

209 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:12:07am

re: #197 Bob in Breckenridge

Problem with that is the computer is in Missouri : )

Well, when I first learned to deal with the hardware crap I was usually to be found on the phone with my tech guy in Seattle with a screwdriver in my hand doing "surgery" on the box by long distance directions.

210 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:12:08am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Way O/T, but hopefully one of you experts can help. When my brother starts his eMachines (windows XP) computer he sees the following message:

"We apologize for the inconvenience, but Windows did not start successfully. A recent hardware or software change might have caused this.

If your computer stopped responding, restarted unexpectedly, or was automatically shut down to protect your files and folders, choose Last Known Good Configuration to revert to the most recent settings that worked.

If a previous startup attempt was interrupted due to a power failure or because the Power or Reset button was pressed, or if you aren't sure what caused the problem, choose Start Windows
Normally.

Safe Mode
Safe Mode with Networking
Safe Mode with Command Prompt

Last Known Good Configuration (your most recent settings that worked) Start Windows Normally

Use the up and down arrow keys to move the highlight to your choice."


He said he did not add any new hardware or software, and the computer did not come with an XP CD and it won't go into the recovery mode. Any suggestions, other than buying a mac :) ?

Well, I can tell you that eMachines are crap. I'd try Last Known Good Configuration first, then if that doesn't work, try booting up in Safe Mode (you can hit F8 as the BIOS splash screen is going away to force startup options). If it will start in Safe Mode, then restart it and see if it will start normally.

211 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:12:30am

re: #202 Shr_Nfr

And then converted to "Christianity" run by an "ex-Muslim" when you were an adult and associated with "Black Muslims" and had several of them on your staff. Woops there seems to be a pattern appearing...

I doubt he considers himself presently "Muslim", but about that background...

He probably thinks of himself as Christian now.

However, the weird thing about this is that Obama "walked down the aisle" on his very first visit to any Christian church. Think about that for just a minute.

212 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:15am

re: #187 faraway

Name one detail that is incorrect. Just one.

You stated that he was raised as a Muslim until he was 10 years old. As I pointed out, the only evidence of any "raising" is the two years he spent in the Indonesian public school where he may have studied the Koran for one hour/week. That's pretty weak religious indoctrination.

213 TheBad  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:18am

Quite frankly, I’m not convinced that Obama believes in anything. I get the impression that he would worship The Golden Dig ‘Em if he thought it would help him get elected.

214 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:28am

I think it is time for Hussein Obamas wife to start acting like the Muslim wife she is and shut the he! up
And she could use an honor beating too

215 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:33am

re: #201 Bob in Breckenridge

I told him that it's a 5 year computer, so it needs to be replaced anyway.

You were very generous. This particular machine is the longest lasting PC we've ever had. Bought it in June three years ago. Every eMachine & Dell the family has collectively owned has expired within 24 hours of the expiration of the warranty.

216 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:50am

Thanks everyone. I'll email him a link to this thread and he can read the suggestions.

217 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:13:54am

re: #196 sabra412

Charles, that is a step in the right direction.
Now,you just need to be chosen by Keith Olbermann as "The worst person in the world"

That's definitely an honor. Hugh Hewitt picked up another one of those in the last couple of weeks.

218 barry the baptist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:14:40am

Hmm, interesting. I wonder how many advocates/surrogates of CAIR that this idiot will appoint to the 1: Supreme Court and/or 2, his cabinet. I would think that a crypto-Marxist like Obama would look to appoint as many 'MEP' like positions that he can whilst in office.

Sharia law will not go over in the US easily. I would expect resistance...of the armed style.

219 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #186 Bob in Breckenridge

That's the problem- No matter what he selects, it come back to the We apologize for the inconvenience screen.

He might just have to buy an XP disk somewhere, quickly before they disappear at the end of the month.
Then he can boot it with the CD in the drive, and try doing a repair installation.
WARNING - the disk should be at the same service pack level as the installed version of XP, probably SP2.
If repair doesn't work, he might have to have someone else do the following:
Add a new drive
Install XP on the new drive (from the disk purchased in step 1)
This should let him see his old drive, unless the drive is gone, so he'll get his data back, but will still have to re-install all old applications

220 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:15:14am

re: #211 faraway

He probably thinks of himself as Christian now.

However, the weird thing about this is that Obama "walked down the aisle" on his very first visit to any Christian church. Think about that for just a minute.

By "walked down the aisle", do you mean responded to an alter call? If so, are you absolutely sure that that occurred on his very first visit to a Christian church?

221 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:15:23am

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks everyone. I'll email him a link to this thread and he can read the suggestions.

If all I suggested doesn't work, he can try booting up with the XP CD and try to repair the OS.

222 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:15:32am

re: #213 TheBad

Quite frankly, I’m not convinced that Obama believes in anything.

He believes in himself. I believe he is wrong.

223 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:15:53am

re: #34 SpartanWoman

That depends on your definition of "is"

Hey you owe me a new keyboard.. old one covered in diet pepsi.

/ still waiting for the bus to come by and pick me up to go to michigan NASCAR. 8 of us are on a road trip and at lunch when i get the call they are stopping at a pub for lunch..I'm thinking @ 2pm there was more beers than burgers involved. We have a sober driver but i'm thinking his head will be messed up for weeks..
Greatest BB game i've ever seen last night. I've seen home teams come back from 24 down..but never a road team.. in a big time moment.

224 filetandrelease  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:06am

I am surprised to see so many say that if he is a Muslim that that by itself would not prevent them from voting for him. That tequila thing makes me nervous, after all, how would you know when to believe what he says? Oh wait, he is a politician......never mind.

225 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:14am

re: #220 JustMyView

By "walked down the aisle", do you mean responded to an alter call? If so, are you absolutely sure that that occurred on his very first visit to a Christian church?

How did I know you'd be in here, spinning furiously?

226 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:22am

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow

He might just have to buy an XP disk somewhere, quickly before they disappear at the end of the month.
Then he can boot it with the CD in the drive, and try doing a repair installation.
WARNING - the disk should be at the same service pack level as the installed version of XP, probably SP2.
If repair doesn't work, he might have to have someone else do the following:
Add a new drive
Install XP on the new drive (from the disk purchased in step 1)
This should let him see his old drive, unless the drive is gone, so he'll get his data back, but will still have to re-install all old applications

I agree Kosh. Install a new drive and rebuild, and slave the old one to it and drag the data files over.

227 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:35am

re: #213 TheBad

Quite frankly, I’m not convinced that Obama believes in anything. I get the impression that he would worship The Golden Dig ‘Em if he thought it would help him get elected.

Yup.
He's not a Muslim nor a Christian.
He's a Marxist of the Obamite sect.

228 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:45am

re: #211 faraway

He probably thinks of himself as Christian now.

However, the weird thing about this is that Obama "walked down the aisle" on his very first visit to any Christian church. Think about that for just a minute.

That is exceedingly strange. I have also noted that while he claims to have "walked down the aisle" he never mentions being baptized. Even among protestants, baptism is considered to be the mark of accepting Christ, not "walking the aisle." In some denominations you "walk the aisle" every time you move to a new church.

229 Ciannaky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:16:48am

You can download the repair disks for XP from bootdisks.com

230 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:17:55am

re: #221 Ward Cleaver

If all I suggested doesn't work, he can try booting up with the XP CD and try to repair the OS.

That's the problem- It not come with an XP CD. Too expensive, I guess

231 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:18:09am

re: #229 Ciannaky

You can download the repair disks for XP from bootdisks.com

Oooh, good site. Gonna bookmark that one.

232 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:18:21am

re: #220 JustMyView

By "walked down the aisle", do you mean responded to an alter altar call? If so, are you absolutely sure that that occurred on his very first visit to a Christian church?

Yes, that is what he means. That is what it is called in some denominations.

233 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:18:37am

re: #215 galloping granny

You were very generous. This particular machine is the longest lasting PC we've ever had. Bought it in June three years ago. Every eMachine & Dell the family has collectively owned has expired within 24 hours of the expiration of the warranty.

Funny. The only one I've had much trouble with early on is my MacBook pro.
Two hardware problems, and now it doesn't always want to wake from sleep. Passes hardware diagnostics so they tell me to re-install the OS. Machine is just 1 year old.
If I had wanted to put up with this I would have bought a PC.

234 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:18:51am

re: #230 Bob in Breckenridge

That's the problem- It not come with an XP CD. Too expensive, I guess

eMachines are cheaper for a reason.

235 maddogg  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:19:49am

re: #215 galloping granny

You were very generous. This particular machine is the longest lasting PC we've ever had. Bought it in June three years ago. Every eMachine & Dell the family has collectively owned has expired within 24 hours of the expiration of the warranty.

Now thats what I call efficient engineering!:)

236 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:20:02am

re: #230 Bob in Breckenridge

That's the problem- It not come with an XP CD. Too expensive, I guess

Oh, Microsoft ought to know about that. That's BS. It has a license (the COA label on the system), so it should have come with an XP CD. Did it just come with a factory re-imaging CD (or CDs)?

237 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:20:05am

re: #212 JustMyView

You stated that he was raised as a Muslim until he was 10 years old. As I pointed out, the only evidence of any "raising" is the two years he spent in the Indonesian public school where he may have studied the Koran for one hour/week. That's pretty weak religious indoctrination.

"he may have studied the Koran for one hour/week. "
Please provide a link for this. I have never seen this before. Did you go to school in Indonesia in the 70s?

"That's pretty weak religious indoctrination."
Really? Ever heard of Vacation Bible School? Lasts only 5 days.

Lets see. From the very impressionable ages of 6 thru 10, I live in a Muslim country. My friends are most likely Muslim. My Step-Dad is Muslim. I study the Koran. I go to Friday prayers. I attend mosque. I learn Arabic. I think the Muslim call to prayer is "the prettiest sound on earth". That's weak? What is strong to you Obama cult members?

238 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:20:57am

re: #224 filetandrelease

I am surprised to see so many say that if he is a Muslim that that by itself would not HAVE prevent them from voting for him. That tequila thing makes me nervous, after all, how would you know when to believe what he says? Oh wait, he is a politician......never mind.

I changed that, because it is too late. Had he been upfront about it from the get-go that would have been one thing, but he has lied about it now for years and is still lying about it. Again, it isn't the religion - it is the lies. Once a liar, always a liar.

239 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:21:02am

re: #220 JustMyView

By "walked down the aisle", do you mean responded to an alter call? If so, are you absolutely sure that that occurred on his very first visit to a Christian church?

Yes. And no, I am not going to look it up for you. I am not your Daddy.

240 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:21:46am

re: #165 Bob in Breckenridge

Sounds vaguely like a cooked registery. If he has something to back up on to, I would Ghost his hard disk onto that before I did anything else. I might then and only then try to fix his registry. He has been doing backups right? Thought not. At a minimum folks should do registry backups with something like Resplendent Register.

241 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:22:00am

re: #236 Ward Cleaver

Oh, Microsoft ought to know about that. That's BS. It has a license (the COA label on the system), so it should have come with an XP CD. Did it just come with a factory re-imaging CD (or CDs)?

Lots of the XP machines did not come with a boot disk. You were supposed to make your own when you first started up the machine.

242 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:22:03am

re: #232 galloping granny

Yes, that is what he means. That is what it is called in some denominations.

Thanks. I had the impression that he didn't respond to the alter call until after he had been attending the church for some time, although I don't know how long. That's why I asked for the source on the statement that he had "walked down the aisle" the first time he attended.

243 Ciannaky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:22:39am

Most systems don't ship with the full OS just repair disks which will restore it to factory settings.

244 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #234 OldLineTexan

eMachines are cheaper for a reason.

I've replaced eMachines motherboards with real Intel ones, used ones from eBay (along with a cheap generic power supply), for a couple of people. It was cheap, and got them up and running again. Some of the eMachines (Celeron w/845 chipset) had a nasty habit of the power supply failing and taking the motherboard with it.

245 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:23:16am

re: #242 JustMyView

altar

246 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:23:52am

re: #241 galloping granny

Lots of the XP machines did not come with a boot disk. You were supposed to make your own when you first started up the machine.

At least Dell machines do. I've seen a zillion of those.

247 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:24:04am
Next, the posters fail totally to grasp that the real point isn’t what faith he professed or was brought up in as a child – it is the fact that he has not told the truth about his early background.

That was on the Melanie Phillips blog.

I can agree so that the issue is set to rest that he's a liar. But I also think there is a big difference between a Muslim faith upbringing (ok to murder infidels AND your sister) and a Christian one.

248 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:24:47am

re: #228 galloping granny

Even among protestants, baptism is considered to be the mark of accepting Christ, not "walking the aisle." In some denominations you "walk the aisle" every time you move to a new church.

When you move to a new church you just walk the aisle to transfer your membership to the new church.

249 Ceemack  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:25:01am

The sad part is, we could have video of an adult Barack Obama in a Chicago mosque, touching his forehead to the floor at the appointed times, and his supporters wouldn't care.

The video could show him walking out of the mosque, facing reporters, and stating that he is not now and has never been a Muslim, and his supporters wouldn't care.

Obama's supporters didn't make a rational evaluation of the different Democratic presidential candidates and decide that Obama was the best of the available alternatives. So rationally presenting all of the dubious parts of the guy's background will have no effect on these people.

250 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:25:40am

re: #243 Ciannaky

Most systems don't ship with the full OS just repair disks which will restore it to factory settings.

Dell does the opposite. An XP CD and a Resource CD. You're on your own. But a lot of their consumer models have hidden restore partitions (Ghost). The Vista machines use WIM.

251 rightwingva  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:26:56am

Well, while you people sit here and allow Obamessiah to be smeared, I have emailed fightthesmears directly and let them know about this nasty slander by his supposed "half" brother. Get with the program people! If we don't defend our fearless leader, who will?

252 filetandrelease  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #238 galloping granny

It was just a joke, although personally, even if a politician was upfront about it they wouldn't get my vote. It is hard enough to trust a politician as it is.

253 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:27:19am

re: #237 faraway

"he may have studied the Koran for one hour/week. "
Please provide a link for this. I have never seen this before. Did you go to school in Indonesia in the 70s?

"That's pretty weak religious indoctrination."
Really? Ever heard of Vacation Bible School? Lasts only 5 days.

Lets see. From the very impressionable ages of 6 thru 10, I live in a Muslim country. My friends are most likely Muslim. My Step-Dad is Muslim. I study the Koran. I go to Friday prayers. I attend mosque. I learn Arabic. I think the Muslim call to prayer is "the prettiest sound on earth". That's weak? What is strong to you Obama cult members?

Did you ever hear the Jesuit motto? -

"Give me a child for the first seven years and I will give you the man."

254 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:27:28am

re: #249 Ceemack

It's not helping that the MSM insists on placing halos over his head and refusing to report on any of his scandals.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:27:30am

re: #226 Ward Cleaver

I agree Kosh. Install a new drive and rebuild, and slave the old one to it and drag the data files over.

That's what I did with a 4 year old Gateway. Finding things like Outlook Express settings was fun. Not.
The machine is now 6 years old and I plan to replace it; just not sure what to replace it with. My MacBook Pro has had too many problems for me to want to replace it with another Mac.

256 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:28:48am

re: #236 Ward Cleaver

Oh, Microsoft ought to know about that. That's BS. It has a license (the COA label on the system), so it should have come with an XP CD. Did it just come with a factory re-imaging CD (or CDs)?

Note that retail XP cd's don't accept the OEM license, but since you have to buy the license with the XP cd usually, you can use that one. I found that out the hard way.

257 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:29:45am

re: #244 Ward Cleaver

I've replaced eMachines motherboards with real Intel ones, used ones from eBay (along with a cheap generic power supply), for a couple of people. It was cheap, and got them up and running again. Some of the eMachines (Celeron w/845 chipset) had a nasty habit of the power supply failing and taking the motherboard with it.

I work for a computer company. People explain to me all the time why they bought a Dell (a Texas company, I admit) instead of our product. Then they want me to fix their Dell.

It's all cheap Chinese junk anyway, right? :(

Of course, some of our products are or have been less-than-great, but the price tag vs. features is typically a good measuring stick. If Brand X is a great deal compared to Brand Y, there may be a reason.

258 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:29:53am

re: #242 JustMyView

Thanks. I had the impression that he didn't respond to the alter call until after he had been attending the church for some time, although I don't know how long. That's why I asked for the source on the statement that he had "walked down the aisle" the first time he attended.

Dammit JustMyView - it is an ALTAR call,not an alter call. To alter something is to change it. Worship of G_d takes place at an ALTAR.

The whole church thing is fishy.

259 joncelli  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:30:20am

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

The restore partitions are hateful. I just got a copy of XP, blew away the partitions, and reinstalled. You get rid of the crapware that way too.

260 Ciannaky  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:30:24am

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

re: #250 Ward Cleaver

Dell does the opposite. An XP CD and a Resource CD. You're on your own. But a lot of their consumer models have hidden restore partitions (Ghost). The Vista machines use WIM.

I hear yahl; I don't buy retail boxes EVAH and quit the industry years ago, Ever tried to walthrough that process over the phone? I prefer fingernails on chalkboard.

261 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:30:28am

re: #249 Ceemack

We could even have video of Obama speaking in Arabic to Al Jazeera every day saying "Death to America", then going on MSNBC and giving Chrissy a tingle.

The cult members would praise him more because He is such a man of the world.

262 neocon hippie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:31:00am

re: #149 faraway

Obama Sr was married in Kenya to Kezia.

Then he moved to Hawaii and got 17 year old Ann pregnant with Barry II.

Then he moved to Harvard where he met and later married Ruth.

Wiki says

Obama Sr was married in Kenya to Kezia.

Then he moved to Hawaii and got 17 year old Ann pregnant with Barry II.

Then he moved to Harvard where he met and later married Ruth.

Wiki says

Besides United States Senator Barack Obama, Barack Obama Sr. fathered six other sons and a daughter. All but one live in Britain or the United States.

His children with Kezia include their sons Roy (now known as Abong'o), Bernard, and Abo, and daughter Auma who is a social worker running a children's trust in the United Kingdom. Obama Sr. had two sons with Ruth, named David and Mark. Mark studied physics at Stanford, and now lives in China and is engaged to a Chinese woman.His eighth child, George, was with a woman in Kenya whom he was planning to marry at the time of his death.

Hmmm... don't see a Malik in that list. I wonder if this another setup by the Obama people.

Malik definitely exists, as there are articles/interviews with him dating back to Barry's senatorial campaign. Maybe he was formerly Bernard?

263 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:31:40am

I have nostaliga for my early evangelical church. Until my parents got mad at me for getting rid of their devil smokes and devil alcohol. I think I was pulled out of services. But under stress and with the right current influences i could worship there again. In the right cirucumstances.

Obama seems to fall sway to people that influence him. It's fine that he listens to his wife and weighs her experience. It's bad that he has had a constant Nation of Islam influence in his life like the hatefilled Rev. Wright. Who will be his future influences? The people who wine an dine him late into the night with 1001 one stories of change. Will they be from Mecca?

I could see obama reconverting to Islam very easily as a message of peace to the world. It fits his psychology. Expediency. Once he is on the world wide stage his message of change will look for the best vehicle regardless of his past. Unbounded and in the most powerfull office in the world, how can he best make a powerful statement to the world? That changes it?

264 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:32:10am

re: #255 Kosh's Shadow

That's what I did with a 4 year old Gateway. Finding things like Outlook Express settings was fun. Not.
The machine is now 6 years old and I plan to replace it; just not sure what to replace it with. My MacBook Pro has had too many problems for me to want to replace it with another Mac.

You sure those problems aren't a function of it being a notebook? We've noticed a big difference between the notebooks - PC or Mac - and the desktop models. I need to replace this one and am thinking about one of the dinky little Macs that is about 6 inches square. And the kiddo wants one of the ones that weighs under a pound.

What I really want is a machine that can come in the pool.

265 jamgarr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:33:08am

re: #113 seekeroftruth

He gave an interview to the NYT in 2007 confirming his muslim background.

/Link?

266 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:33:12am

Obama is a liar. I think he is a bad liar: he's been caught in some whoppers. Is he a good enough liar to fool people until after the votes have been counted? Time will tell.

Which religion is his "beard"? I think he is not a Christian, based on his black power church and his affinity for the NOI types. Is he a Muslim? I don't know. I think he is more than happy to let Christians think he is a Christian and Muslims think he is a Muslim.

Is he a man of conviction? I don't think so.

He recites the shahada in excellent Arabic (the beginning of the call to prayer). Wink, wink, hey fellow Muslims, I'm still one of you.

He attends a "Christian" church. Wink, wink, hey Christians, I'm one of you now.

His church is Black-power-centric, though: proof that his Christianity is not a result of African slaves accepting and adopting the white man's religion. Hey, my Black brothers and sisters, I'm one of you and definitely not buying into the white social system.

He'll disavow his church if need be: Hey, you uneducated, underprivileged white folks, no need to fear. Let's get back on message: you're the real racists here.

Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth, more than we'd expect from the usual politicians. His story literally changes from day to day. One day, Jerusalem must remain the undivided capital of Israel. The next day, his handlers backpedal and add provisos.

Yes...
but...
No...
but...
Never...
and...
Always...

Obama is an opportunist. I think his character is weak and his ego is large. His campaign is being funded by people with deep pockets. He is going to owe a lot of favours.

To whom does Obama feel a sense of allegiance? Who is too powerful for him to throw under the bus?

We don't know yet if he is vindictive. Time will tell on that one, as well.

Past leaders in other countries have been elected, brought to power by those who thought they could be controlled, and then swiftly cut the strings that tied them to their benefactors.

This is a crucial time for our world. Slick talkers are not good enough. We need men and women of principle, real leaders with courage, who will make the difficult decisions that are sure to arise.

Leave the wafflers to their waffles. And keep America great!

267 rightwingva  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:34:59am

re: #264 galloping granny

:-) The "dinky" one you want is formerly called a Mac mini. Just add a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

268 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:35:04am

re: #211 faraway

I have a hard time with Trinity considering itself Christian. Yes I do understand the difference between some of the "white" churches and "black" churches. I attended at least one service at a "black" Baptist congregation in the NJ area ~50 years ago. Significantly different than the church I was attending. Back then you would have some of the older members of the church giving testimony about what their grandparents who had been slaves in the south had told them. But there was a lot more about Christ and Christ's teachings than I have seen in the clips of anything that came out of Trinity. Racism does not wear any better just because you call yourself "black" than it does on somebody like David Duke.

269 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:35:54am

re: #237 faraway

"he may have studied the Koran for one hour/week. "
Please provide a link for this. I have never seen this before. Did you go to school in Indonesia in the 70s?


No, I didn't go to school in Indonesia. This is from the CNN film at FighttheSmears.com.

"That's pretty weak religious indoctrination."
Really? Ever heard of Vacation Bible School? Lasts only 5 days.


Right, and if that were the sum total of a person's religious training, I wouldn't say that was a particularly strong religious education.

Lets see. From the very impressionable ages of 6 thru 10, I live in a Muslim country. My friends are most likely Muslim. My Step-Dad is Muslim. I study the Koran. I go to Friday prayers. I attend mosque. I learn Arabic. I think the Muslim call to prayer is "the prettiest sound on earth". That's weak? What is strong to you Obama cult members?

Here's how I was raised:
- Infant baptism
- 100% Christian family: parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins going back generations; neighbors too
- Church and Sunday school almost every Sunday as long as I lived at home (i.e., though high school)
- Celebration of Christian holidays at home, in church, and, to some extent, in school
- Vacation Bible school as a young kid
- Attendance at church camp in junior high
- Confirmation class, followed by confirmation at about 14

This is what I call a pervasive religious upbringing, so integrated into everyday life throughout my growing-up years that there was no question that these activities were as normal as eating breakfast.

If I knew the Muslim call to prayer, I might think it was a pretty sound too. That wouldn't make me a Muslim.

270 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:36:23am

re: #266 Josephine

Bravo! Fantastic post!

271 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:36:33am

re: #245 wolfie

altar

Right you are. My mistake.

272 gymnast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:36:49am

Who would know blood better than blood? What a wonderful endorsement for the the would be Umma Kahuna the nations first "Inshallah" candidate.

When President Obama's Minister of Racial Purity, Calypso Louie, asks "What is to become of these Infidels?" Obama will answer "Inshallah, you will take care of this problem for me so that the solution will be final"

273 Quilly Mammoth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:37:38am

re: #233 Kosh's Shadow

Been using the same e-Machine for almost five years now.

274 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:38:07am

MSNBC says here [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]


Malik, a 46-year-old Kenyan, has chosen to make his life in Nyangoma-Kogelo, a village of several hundred that is the Obama ancestral home

He runs an electronics shop in a town a half-hour drive away, and works as a consultant in Washington for a few months each year.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said.

All his children except Malik live in Britain or the United States. One of the brothers died in 1984.

275 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:38:34am

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

It's hard to keep up with who's who in that family considering their dad was such a philanderer.

It's his culture!
/?

276 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:38:55am

re: #269 JustMyView

There are interviews all over the net with people who knew him when he lived in Indonesia that clearly state that he received religious instruction in the islamic as part of his regular schooling at both schools he attended and in addition attended a special school for memorizing the koran.

277 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:39:27am

re: #248 faraway

There are a number of Protestant sects such as the "Religious Society of Friends" Hicksite branch that do not make any big deal out of baptism either.

278 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:39:43am
279 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:40:27am

when he first decided to run he actually thought the middle name would be a quirky asset to his campaign. barack hussein obama. (he could heal world w/ that name .) it was an absurd assumption.
especially given the increasing level of atrocities committed around the world in the name of islam.
well, the middle name became an instant no-go zone. and he began to run from his moslem connection as he saw it was not something people were comfortable w/ after all.
now we're racist if we even mention it. his waffling is very telling abt. how deceptive he is. he will embrace his moslem background when he thinks that will help him. when he sees it doesn't, he acts insulted if we mention it.

280 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:40:44am

re: #269 JustMyView



If I knew the Muslim call to prayer, I might think it was a pretty sound too. That wouldn't make me a Muslim.

If you recited it, it would make you a muslim in the eyes of every muslim in the world. That is why some California parents are so upset over the "islam weeks" some schools hold out there where the kids play dress up and pretend to be muslim - shahada and all.

281 Bill Jefferson  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:40:55am

Just as adjectives don't matter to liberals (government-funded embryonic stem cell research = stem cell research), so too one needs to read between the lines.

Senator Obama has never been a Muslim,
(because he wasn't a Senator as a child)

was not raised a Muslim,
(all the way to adulthood, at least)

and is a committed Christian
(within a black supremacy belief system that trumps the brotherhood Jesus and St. Paul taught)

282 boatguyjim  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:41:32am

Barry joined that church because it was the fastest way to power (and his first election), I bet Barry doesn't give two hoots about any religion except as to how it will advance his career.

283 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:41:39am

re: #264 galloping granny

You sure those problems aren't a function of it being a notebook? We've noticed a big difference between the notebooks - PC or Mac - and the desktop models. I need to replace this one and am thinking about one of the dinky little Macs that is about 6 inches square. And the kiddo wants one of the ones that weighs under a pound.

What I really want is a machine that can come in the pool.

The Gateway is a desktop. The MacBook pro problems are something else.
Screen problem; optical drive problem. Maybe because it is a laptop, but I didn't have problems with a cheap Dell from 4 years earlier. (Now the dell needs a wipe and reinstall; fragmented drive that can't be defragmented, and it has built up 5 years of random crud in the registry and elsewhere. Runs, but s...l....o.....w)
I only ever had this much trouble with a Compaq laptop (Pentium 120, to give you an idea of how old). Nothing else I've had has broken within the first year.

284 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:42:04am

re: #265 jamgarr

He gave an interview to the NYT in 2007 confirming his muslim background.

/Link?

Here you go - from his own website :
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

285 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:42:10am

re: #277 Shr_Nfr

There are a number of Protestant sects such as the "Religious Society of Friends" Hicksite branch that do not make any big deal out of baptism either.

This is true. But churches that give altar calls, where people talk about "walking the aisle" to accept Jesus are not among them.

286 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:42:13am

re: #258 galloping granny

Dammit JustMyView - it is an ALTAR call,not an alter call. To alter something is to change it. Worship of G_d takes place at an ALTAR.

Yes, yes. I already apologized for this egregious error. I have to say I find it pretty amusing to have my spelling corrected here. It's not as if the usual standards are so high. When I've offered corrections in the past, I've gotten some fairly unpleasant responses.

287 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:43:02am
288 gymnast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:43:05am

re: #269 JustMyView

You have no idea of what the fuck you are talking about do you?

289 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #276 galloping granny

There are interviews all over the net with people who knew him when he lived in Indonesia that clearly state that he received religious instruction in the islamic as part of his regular schooling at both schools he attended and in addition attended a special school for memorizing the koran.

Can you point me to one of those interviews?

290 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:43:21am

re: #269 JustMyView

More probably 1 hour per day. That is the norm in those countries. The morning classes are secular and you have an afternoon class in whatever religion you adhere to. Does not matter who the teachers are, they can be the "Sisters Of Perpetual Something" in habits, you get the afternoon class in being a Muslim if you are one.

291 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:44:42am
292 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:45:53am

re: #280 galloping granny

I am sorry, but that transgresses the "establishment clause" imo. Could I force the Muslims in the area to have Roman Catholic week where they dress up as Benedictine Monks and sing chants. Thought not.

293 mattm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:46:12am

This is not over, not by a long shot. More skeletons will come out of the closet about B. Hussein Obama.

294 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:46:23am

re: #270 galloping granny

Thank you, GG.

*blush*

295 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:47:08am
O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

I suspect the great people of Alabama will be very bitter over this.

296 Toasty  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:47:47am

From Fight the Smears: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian"

It's very foolish and amateurish of them to say "never", and "was not", because all that we have to do is show the bare minimum, such as his history as a Muslim in Indonesia.

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

297 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:48:25am

re: #289 JustMyView

Are you on dial up? Can't work Google? It's right dang easy pardner.

298 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:49:22am

re: #289 JustMyView

Start with: [Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

It corrects me on one point. It was one hour twice a week, not every day.

299 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:51:00am

re: #290 Shr_Nfr

More probably 1 hour per day. That is the norm in those countries. The morning classes are secular and you have an afternoon class in whatever religion you adhere to. Does not matter who the teachers are, they can be the "Sisters Of Perpetual Something" in habits, you get the afternoon class in being a Muslim if you are one.

CNN visited the actual school that he attended. According to their report, religious instruction was one hour per week.

300 Deborah  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:51:00am

I doubt that Obama is a Christian except by convenience. One of the problems is the definition of Christian. A Christian, by definition, attends Church, but Christian is not just one who goes to Church, but one that has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour and who shares that with others in some way.

I am sure you all know that, but my question is that Obama does not in any fit the definition of a Christian. He doesn't have a Church he attends regularly, (the one he did, he threw under the bus - and that Church is questionable regarding it's true beliefs in the Lord Jesus in any light).
Obama surely does not have a relationship with Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour that is transparent.

Obviously, Obama surely is not Jewish - so we can rule that out before he tries to tell us that next.

More than likely he is a muslim. His family probably knows that he is muslim - obviously his half- brother thinks so. If not a muslim, at the best, maybe he is an agnostic.

Another question I have is why is the U.S. government allowing him to run for President with all of this about Obama that is obviously muslim and obviously for the terrorists and looks like he is against Israel.

AT ANY RATE, THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT HIM THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE. I am concerned that Obama, if elected, would cause much harm to Israel and the Jewish people.

I pray Obama NEVER gets elected if he will hurt the Jewish people and Israel.

Obama's views are much to liberal anyway and it would definitely be a very hard thing to have him as President.

Blessings to you,
Deborah

301 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:51:51am

re: #296 Toasty

Yes it is. It's a outright lie.

''I was a little Jakarta street kid,'' he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, [Link: www.nytimes.com...] He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his
elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics -- and more likely to be aware of their nationalism -- if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ''one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.''

Moreover, Mr. Obama's own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn't sure if his grandfather's two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)

This is from his own website that I just posted above :
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

302 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:52:53am

re: #297 faraway

Are you on dial up? Can't work Google? It's right dang easy pardner.

My view is that if someone wants to make a point (such is that there are all sorts of interviews documenting Obama's Muslim past), that someone should present the evidence.

303 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:52:59am

re: #293 mattm

He is running a skeleton shift so he can throw them under the bus too? Gosh, this is a candidate that makes no bones about what he will do when he gets in office...

304 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:54:45am
305 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:54:48am

I don't have a problem with people having a different religion than I do. I could definitely vote for someone who wasn't a Christian.

Now for the hot pink elephant in the living room:

I think, in this particular election, it is perfectly legitimate to weigh religion as a factor in deciding for whom to vote. There are global issues with radical Islam, and if Obama has an association with Islam he is attempting to hide, we have a right to know that. If he may have some sympathies in one direction or another, we have a right to know that, as well.

We are voting for POTUS. We have a right to correct information.

Joe Lieberman put himself out there, right? I know they probably lost some votes because of his religious beliefs and the perceived impact they may have had on his global sympathies (look at the way Democrats speak of him now) - but he put himself out there, and that's something you can respect. No hiding for Joe, that I can recall.

There are people voting for Obama simply because he's black, and there are people voting for him simply because he's young. My process is a little more complex than that. I would never base my vote on race (positively or negatively - I wouldn't be swayed by that at all), but his youth and inexperience is a factor for me. His far-left policies are another. And do I want a president with a Muslim background at this point in our history? Someday maybe...but now? If I were considering a vote for Obama, I'd have to ask myself that question. And Obama knows it. And that's why his supporters are trying to throw sand on this smoldering campfire.

306 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:55:19am

re: #299 JustMyView

They knew about classes when Obama was there in the 70s? Or classes they offer in 2008?

307 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:02:09pm
308 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:03:23pm
309 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:03:32pm

re: #306 faraway

They knew about classes when Obama was there in the 70s? Or classes they offer in 2008?

I don't understand your question. I believe the CNN film describes the school as it is now and says that not much has changed since then. Did you look at it? It's only a few minutes long.

310 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:04:02pm

The brother Obama chose to disassociate from:

"'So, Mark,' I said, turning to my brother, 'I hear you're at Berkeley.'
"'Stanford,' he corrected. His voice was deep, his accent perfectly American. 'I'm in my last year of the physics program there.'"


They meet once more, for lunch:


"I asked him how it felt being back for the summer.

"'Fine,' he said. 'It's nice to see my mom and dad, of course. ... As for the rest of Kenya, I don't feel much of an attachment. Just another poor African country.'

"'You don't ever think about settling here?'

"Mark took a sip from his Coke. 'No,' he said. 'I mean, there's not much work for a physicist, is there, in a country where the average person doesn't have a telephone.'

"I should have stopped then, but something -- the certainty in this brother's voice, maybe, or our rough resemblance, like looking into a foggy mirror -- made me want to push harder. I asked, "Don't you ever feel like you might be losing something?'

"Mark put down his knife and fork, and for the first time that afternoon his eyes looked straight into mine.

"'I understand what you're getting at,' he said flatly. 'You think that somehow I'm cut off from my roots, that sort of thing.' He wiped his mouth and dropped the napkin onto his plate. 'Well, you're right. At a certain point, I made a decision not think about who my real father was. He was dead to me even when he was still alive. I knew that he was a drunk and showed no concern for his wife or children. That was enough.'

"'It made you mad.'

"'Not mad. Just numb.'

"'And that doesn't bother you? Being numb, I mean?'

"'Towards him, no. Other things move me. Beethoven's symphonies. Shakespeare's sonnets. I know -- it's not what an African is supposed to care about. But who's to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about? Understand, I'm not ashamed of being half Kenyan. I just don't ask myself a lot of questions about what it all means. About who I really am.' He shrugged. 'I don't know. Maybe I should. I can acknowledge the possibility that if looked more carefully at myself, I would ...'

"For the briefest moment I sensed Mark hesitate, like a rock climber losing his footing. Then, almost immediately, he regained his composure and waved for the check.

"'Who knows?' he said. 'What's certain is that I don't need the stress. Life's hard enough without all that excess baggage.'

"... Outside we exchanged addresses and promised to write, with a dishonesty that made my heart ache."

Holy Cow. Thanks iSteve, I had never seen that before. What on earth would make a person prefer the company of William Ayers to the guy described above?

311 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:04:09pm
312 akak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:05:23pm

Don't know if anybody has mentioned, is this the Kenyan group fighting the smears?

For some reason I am leary of what tactics the Kenyan group would use across Africa.

313 gymnast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:06:17pm

re: #309 JustMyView

I don't understand your question. I believe the CNN film describes the school as it is now and says that not much has changed since then. Did you look at it? It's only a few minutes long.

If you would take your head out of your ass you would have less trouble understanding the question.

314 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:06:40pm
315 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:07:27pm

There never will be such a poll, but maybe there should be.


a) Is Barack Obama a Muslim who (years ago) converted to Christianity?
b) Barack Obama is a Christian and always has been?
c) Barack Obama a Muslim?
d) Ron Paul

316 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:08:40pm

Charles, do the crazy Birchers flood the end of all the threads, or is the one on the GTMO decision from today just special that way?

317 faraway  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:08:58pm

re: #302 JustMyView

My view is that if someone wants to make a point (such is that there are all sorts of interviews documenting Obama's Muslim past), that someone should present the evidence.

Ok. However, I have posted these links here before. I don't mind posting them for friends. But you, on the other hand, can do a little work.

I do find it quite shocking that you have decided to follow the cult without doing any homework.

318 Toasty  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:11:40pm

re: #301 seekeroftruth

If the people at Fight the Smears had any brains they'd have left off at saying he's not a Muslim now, and not made these false flat out denials about his childhood and upbringing.

319 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:12:14pm
320 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:12:35pm
321 ackomanyuki  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:15:27pm
322 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:15:34pm

It's really fascinating that such a strongly pro-American group would focus so intently on someone's origins when a central aspect of American culture is the right and opportunity we all have to define ourselves as we will.

I grew up in a very traditional, middle-class household in a rural community and had an entirely orthodox Christian upbringing. Today, I live in a large metropolitan area and am no longer an orthodox believer, although I treasure many aspects of my history as a churchgoer.

These details about how many hours of religious instruction Obama had as an eight-year-old don't seem particularly dispositive w/ regard to either his current beliefs or how he would govern if he were to become president. Why not study his speeches and the documents he's prepared describing the policies he'd like to enact?

Seems like that's a lot more important than the religious identity of either his father or his step-father, neither of whom was part of his life for very long.

As to whether he was "born a Muslim", well, who cares? Plenty of people were "born a Catholic", and that fact has no influence whatsoever on their present beliefs or practices.

323 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:18:47pm

re: #322 JustMyView

It's really fascinating that such a strongly pro-American group would focus so intently on someone's origins when a central aspect of American culture is the right and opportunity we all have to define ourselves as we will.

You're missing the point, as usual. (Or should I say, deflecting the point?)

Barack Obama has been prevaricating about this issue, very obviously. That's the problem, not his Muslim background.

And I noticed you suddenly stopped disputing it when I posted the Daniel Pipes article, and switched to, "Who cares? What difference does it make?"

324 Toasty  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:20:46pm

re: #322 JustMyView

I'm more interested in not letting FightTheSmears get away with lies.

Not sure why you're presenting us with your life story.

325 kansas  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:21:20pm

re: #305 capitalist piglet


Actually I think a black conservative President would be excellent for America. That way the racial division could be theoretically healed. Of course Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice haven't gone over so well with certain groups.

326 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:22:28pm

re: #306 faraway

They knew about classes when Obama was there in the 70s? Or classes they offer in 2008?

Who cares what CNN knew or knows?

327 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:24:29pm

re: #323 Charles

You're missing the point, as usual. (Or should I say, deflecting the point?)

Barack Obama has been prevaricating about this issue, very obviously. That's the problem, not his Muslim background.

exactly

328 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:25:33pm
329 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:26:35pm

re: #304 Charles

Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood.

The info at this link is pretty much what I've been saying, i.e., that he was registered by his step-father as a Muslim for a portion of his elementary school education and had some religious instruction in Islam as a child. I don't think that constitutes a Muslim upbringing. Whatever connection w/ Islam he may have had began when he was six and ended by the time he was 10. I'm more interested in what he's done and said since he was 30.

330 186kps  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:26:58pm

1/2 brother of 1/2 white man calls brother 1/4 Muslim?

100% Smear Job!

331 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:27:58pm

re: #324 Toasty

Not sure why you're presenting us with your life story.

Because I wanted to show that there's a difference between being "raised a (whatever)" and having had some passing connection w/ a particular religion during a brief period of one's life.

332 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:28:08pm

re: #323 Charles

You're missing the point, as usual. (Or should I say, deflecting the point?)

Barack Obama has been prevaricating about this issue, very obviously. That's the problem, not his Muslim background.

And I noticed you suddenly stopped disputing it when I posted the Daniel Pipes article.

Charles sees the need to use a big word - prevaricating, to describe Barack's handling on this subject, his religion.

To simplify for those unknowing, or unwilling to go to dictionary.com, I will restate.

Barack Obama has been lying about this issue, very obviously. That's the problem, not his Muslim background.

333 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:28:13pm

re: #329 JustMyView

see#324 again and again and again until you get it.

334 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:28:34pm

re: #319 ploome hineni

Fer sure.

335 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:29:13pm

re: #301 seekeroftruth

One of the purdiest sounds on earth!

336 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:29:29pm

re: #247 right wing zephyr

That was on the Melanie Phillips blog.

I can agree so that the issue is set to rest that he's a liar. But I also think there is a big difference between a Muslim faith upbringing (ok to murder infidels AND your sister) and a Christian one.


Just my View, see above

337 akak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:30:37pm

Why not study his speeches and the documents he's prepared describing the policies he'd like to enact?

like the one where he said he would side with Islam if the political winds change?

338 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:30:57pm

So, did anyone see that movie Mr. Holland's Opus? It was so sad, yet happy, so dark yet inspiring...

339 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:33:06pm

re: #323 Charles


Barack Obama has been prevaricating about this issue, very obviously. That's the problem, not his Muslim background.

I don't see it that way. He has been clear about where he went to school and that his father and step-father were Muslims (although neither seems to have been religious). What he has said, I believe, is that he was never a practicing Muslim. To me, occasionally attending services between the ages of 6 and 10 and a couple of years of weekly religious instruction between the ages of 8 and 10 do not make one a "practicing Muslim".

And I noticed you suddenly stopped disputing it when I posted the Daniel Pipes article, and switched to, "Who cares? What difference does it make?"

As you've seen, I've now responded to your earlier message.

340 MES41067  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:33:45pm

re: #330 186kps

1/2 brother of 1/2 white man calls brother 1/4 Muslim?

100% Smear Job!

So what your saying is reverend Wright got to him.

341 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:34:21pm

It's really quite simple JustMyView. It is not acceptable practice, and frowned upon, for one who is running for president to lie.

342 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:34:24pm

re: #326 right wing zephyr

Who cares what CNN knew or knows?

Right, because it's so much better for a bunch of people who haven't been there to make pronouncements about how things must have been.

343 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:35:10pm
344 Miss Molly  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:35:14pm

How many "half" and "sort of" relatives does Obama have? It could get very crowded in the White House if the extended family all come for a 4 year visit/vacation.

345 eaglewingz08  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:35:42pm

Neocon hippie, here is a link to USA Today article on Malik Obama.
Notice how they try to spin the muslim question in the article:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Also Obama takes a very snappy photo with his brother and friend.

[Link: images.usatoday.com...]

The grandfather was muslim, a convert to islam, the father was muslim, had the right number of wives, the step father Lolo Sotero was muslim. In Dreams of My Father, Obama describes the Indonesian school as muslim school. In Audacity of Hope, the line gets blurrier as the Obamanator claims the school was 'predominently Muslim'.

Now are we left to believe it was a Catholic School, or that Obama's memories of the school may have been interchanged with a madrassah that he may have also attended during his childhood.
This guy is the original manchurian candidate, the more you try to find out the truth about him, the more twisted it becomes.

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:36:45pm
347 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:37:37pm
348 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:39:58pm

re: #337 akak

like the one where he said he would side with Islam if the political winds change?

He did not say that. The precise quote is at [Link: www.snopes.com...] Scroll down to "In the wake of 9/11." Note that, in that passage, he is referring to American citizens.

349 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:42:13pm
350 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:42:18pm

re: #345 eaglewingz08

In Dreams of My Father, Obama describes the Indonesian school as muslim school. In Audacity of Hope, the line gets blurrier as the Obamanator claims the school was 'predominently Muslim'.

Now are we left to believe it was a Catholic School, or that Obama's memories of the school may have been interchanged with a madrassah that he may have also attended during his childhood.

He was in Indonesia for two years: two years in a Catholic school and two years in a public school. There was no madrasa.

351 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:44:19pm

It's apparent, at best, we are dealing with a Muslim convert (Muslim to Christian). Whose conversion apparently took place 20 years ago at the Rev. Wrights church. I cannot be alone in wonderment as to whether this this conversion actually took, seeing what we now know of the good Reverend's church.

352 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:46:02pm
353 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:47:33pm
354 Toasty  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:48:24pm

Just My View,

From Fight the Smears:

Lie:
Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Truth:
Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.

That is not the truth. As you have said yourself, Obama was enrolled as a Muslim in school. Therefore the quote "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim" is a lie. How many times must this be repeated?

355 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:49:02pm

re: #353 ploome hineni

rev Wright also 'used to be' muslim

He studied it, that I knew. Didn't know he practiced it though.

356 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:53:02pm

re: #354 Toasty

Just My View,

From Fight the Smears:

Lie:
Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Truth:
Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.

That is not the truth. As you have said yourself, Obama was enrolled as a Muslim in school. Therefore the quote "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim" is a lie. How many times must this be repeated?

Sorry. I don't see the fact that his step-father registered him as a Muslim as tantamount to having been "raised as a Muslim". As I've said above, there's ample evidence that the attachment of the step-father to Islam was weak, and Barack's limited exposure to Islam as a child simply does not constitute a Muslim upbringing. He was entirely out of that environment by the time he was 10 years old. The people who were closest to him for longest were his mother and his grandparents, none of whom were Muslims.

357 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:54:06pm

re: #355 unrealizedviewpoint

He studied it, that I knew. Didn't know he practiced it though.

I don't think he did. I've never seen any evidence to that effect. Perhaps ploome can provide some.

358 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:56:00pm

re: #342 JustMyView

That's an odd comment. fffffff

359 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:56:08pm

re: #351 unrealizedviewpoint

It's apparent, at best, we are dealing with a Muslim convert (Muslim to Christian). Whose conversion apparently took place 20 years ago at the Rev. Wrights church. I cannot be alone in wonderment as to whether this this conversion actually took, seeing what we now know of the good Reverend's church.

I think we are dealing w/ a person who had some instruction in Islam, spent a large chunk of his life among the "unchurched", and then converted to Christianity. He was not practicing Islam during the years between the time he left Indonesia and the time he became a Christian in Chicago.

Gotta run.

360 Toasty  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 12:56:33pm

re: #356 JustMyView

I said it disproved "he has never been a Muslim". Never is a strong word. Foolish of Fight the Smears to use it.

361 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:00:06pm

re: #342 JustMyView

Right, because it's so much better for a bunch of people who haven't been there to make pronouncements about how things must have been.

Wasn't it CNN that suppressed news in order to remain in favor with someone (Saddam Hussein?), in order to continue to have an office within the country?

Is that what you would consider a trustworthy news source?

362 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:00:26pm
363 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #356 JustMyView

I wasn't aware you were still out there Bartleby.


/Can you understand this now? "I would prefer not to."

364 eaglewingz08  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:02:51pm

OT
BREAKING
TIM RUSSERT OF MEET THE PRESS AND SR VP OF NBC HAS DIED OF APPARENT HEART ATTACK!

NBC's Tim Russert Dies at 58
AP
Posted: 2008-06-13 15:56:37
Filed Under: TV News, Nation News
WASHINGTON (June 13) - Tim Russert, host of NBC's "Meet the Press" and its Washington bureau chief, collapsed and died at work Friday after suffering an apparent heart attack. He was 58.

Russert, of Buffalo, N.Y., took the helm of the Sunday news show in December 1991 and turned it into the most widely watched program of its type in the nation. His signature trait there was an unrelenting style of questioning.

Washingtonian magazine once dubbed Russert the best journalist in town, and described "Meet the Press" as "the most interesting and important hour on television.

He also wrote best-selling books, "Big Russ and Me," in 2004, and "Wisdom of our Fathers," in 2006.

This year, Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

Russert also was a senior vice president at NBC

365 imtoast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:07:22pm

re: #216 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks everyone. I'll email him a link to this thread and he can read the suggestions.

Did he check his cd drives and diskette drive. I blew it one time and left something in one of my drives and got that message. It wouldn't hurt for him to check.

366 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:08:40pm
367 eaglewingz08  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:10:27pm

Also Mr. Rezko hails from Syria and did business with Elijah Mohammad's (NOI)son. The connections never cease to amaze. Did Obama meed Rezko through NOI apostate Jeremiah Wright?
Oh, I was just kidding about the madrassah comment. It was only to point out that the Obamanation himself called it a muslim school in his own writings, and you wouldn't want me to amend what the Obamessiah himself set down as holy writ, would you?
Then again, maybe if the Obamanation were in his Clintonian persona (work schmerk, all depends on what that four letter word means), what really is a muslim school anyway? A school where any muslim attends? A school in a predominently muslim city or country? We could spin this eighty ways to Sunday (or would that be Friday?).
The point is the lack of honesty involved by the candidate. As the libs so quaintly point out when Repubs start spinning (but rarely when their own leaders do such as Dodd), the coverup is usually worse than the alleged crime. So, by all this covering up of this 'distraction', should we believe something may be hidden underneath, that is worse for the Obamanator, than the actual events that allegedly occurred?

368 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:11:01pm

Just a thought, out loud, not an insinuation, just a thought aloud. Islamists intent on world domination operate and think in terms of years, decades, and scores of years. Moles or sleeper cells are considered reality operating within the United States and throughout the world.

369 satan sidekick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:39:01pm

re: #359 JustMyView

How do you know He was not practicing Islam during the years between the time he left Indonesia and the time he became a Christian in Chicago.
?
Were you following him around?

370 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:40:24pm

re: #369 satan sidekick

How do you know He was not practicing Islam during the years between the time he left Indonesia and the time he became a Christian in Chicago.
?
Were you following him around?

Because he says so.

/

371 Wookieelips  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:41:40pm

Whenever I see anything about Obamessaih's family in Kenya, I think of the Christian Kenyan kids that were in my high school. 13 years ago.

Guess why their parents ran for the US? Just guess.

372 Kobyashi Maru  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:50:46pm

Hey Chas, this is news? George Herbert Walker Bush doesn't have such savory brothers, neither did slick Willy, or a number of other people....oh I get it , this is because there are Muslims involved...McCain is a wife cheater and fornicator, but this is news...ok, I get it now.....

373 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:52:29pm

Here they come, out of the woodwork again.

374 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:52:39pm

re: #372 Kobyashi Maru

WTF?

375 Maui Girl  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:52:54pm

I have a friend who firmly believes that Obama is a Muslim plant that has been carefully groomed over the years for precisely this moment in history. Wonder if Michelle has a clue.

376 Maui Girl  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:55:27pm

re: #266 Josephine


Amen!

377 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 1:57:10pm

re: #375 Maui Girl

I have a friend who firmly believes that Obama is a Muslim plant that has been carefully groomed over the years for precisely this moment in history. Wonder if Michelle has a clue.

I very much question the carefully part.

378 Kobyashi Maru  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:01:14pm

re #372

TF is that there is no doubt that Obamas's father was a Muslim, and under their law, he is Muslim; he chose another faith. Of course his half brother is Muslim, so what? Why is that noteworthy? Senator McCain is Episcopal, no Baptist, no Episcopal, maybe he is the Manchurian Candidate 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton?

379 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:03:31pm

re: #378 Kobyashi Maru

re #372

TF is that there is no doubt that Obamas's father was a Muslim, and under their law, he is Muslim; he chose another faith. Of course his half brother is Muslim, so what? Why is that noteworthy? Senator McCain is Episcopal, no Baptist, no Episcopal, maybe he is the Manchurian Candidate 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton?

What the hell are you talking about? You're really close to getting the stick.

380 see bs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:03:49pm

re: #378 Kobyashi Maru

Don't be moonbatish with the Mccain comment.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:04:00pm
382 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:06:51pm

re: #378 Kobyashi Maru

Are you one of those people whose blogs were deleted from BHO's site? Because that slander against John McCain sounds familiar.

383 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:09:18pm

re: #266 Josephine

Great post, Josephine!

Yes...
but...
No...
but...
Never...
and...
Always...

You forgot "uh". ;)

384 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:10:59pm

re: #383 Sharmuta

LOL, thanks, Sharmuta!

385 Josephine  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:12:11pm

re: #382 Josephine

Are you one of those people whose blogs were deleted from BHO's site? Because that slander against John McCain sounds familiar.

Oh, yeah:

“Emmanuel Winner”

386 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:15:27pm

It's still logged in. I wonder where it went.

387 calvin coolidge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:28:13pm

For the first time in my life, I'm proud of Obama's brother.

388 offendi  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 2:32:12pm

Well that completelyreassures me ! Say Malik, how many goats did Barry send you?

389 akak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:49pm

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

[Link: www.carolineglick.com...]

Think I'll take Caroline Glicks words over the rearview.

390 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:56:37pm

re: #389 akak

From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

[Link: www.carolineglick.com...]

Think I'll take Caroline Glicks words over the rearview.

You could do that, but you would be wrong.

391 Omni  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:44:28pm

We need more than this. We need a link to a recording of the interview.

392 Omni  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:49:46pm

Robert Spencer has said that if Barack became a Christian before puberty then he wouldn't be considered an apostate or required to be killed.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

However, it unclear if that is the case.

393 rtheyserius  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 7:16:00pm
"Barack Obama’s half brother Malik ..."

Okee-dokee. If that isn't enough to rule Obama out, we've got some deep American societal problems.

394 norar  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:34:42pm

re: #28 The Other Les

I'm looking forward to seeing the look on all of their faces when the Obamatrons discover that their Messiah is not leading them to the promised land.

They will discover nothing of a kind. They are already in deep denial. Otherwise they would not support him.

395 norar  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 11:45:26pm

re: #378 Kobyashi Maru

re #372
Senator McCain is Episcopal, no Baptist, no Episcopal, maybe he is the Manchurian Candidate 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton?


You should try to sell this crap to troofers. They are the only mentally tuned to buy this kind of crap ... or may be even they would not.

OTOH, my guess would be that some troofer is a person behind this idiocy too.

396 Ledger1  Sat, Jun 14, 2008 2:22:35am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This is not the Malik I knew...

[Obama Continued]

He has misrepresented my views!

I am for direct talks with Iran on how to drive the...

Get that knife away from my neck!

I don’t like Jews. Isn’t at good enough for you?

Get that Knife off my neck!

That’s not the George Soros I knew...

I thought he was a Muslim...

It was an honest mistake... And, he can have his millions back...

Quit sawing through my neck!


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