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Ireland Kills EU Treaty

Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:35:35 pm PDT

The European Union’s Orwellian “reform treaty” has been rejected by the voters of Ireland, and that means it’s probably dead—but only probably, because the EU will now try to find a way to bypass the will of the voters.

But the really amazing thing about this Associated Press article is that they actually use the term “far left,” possibly for the first time ever. (Of course, it’s in the context of deriding the Irish voters for saying no to this absurd anti-democratic document.)

DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) — Ireland’s voters have rejected the European Union reform treaty, a blueprint for modernizing the 27-nation bloc that cannot become law without Irish approval, electoral officials said Friday.

In a major blow to the EU, 53.4 percent of Irish voters said no to the treaty. Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen now will join other EU leaders at a summit next week to try to negotiate a new way forward.

Anti-treaty groups from the far left and right mobilized “no” voters by claiming that the treaty would empower EU chiefs in Brussels, Belgium, to force Ireland to change core policies — including its low business tax rates, its military neutrality and its ban on abortion.

“This is a very clear and loud voice that has been sent yet again by citizens of Europe rejecting the anti-democratic nature of Brussels governance,” said Declan Ganley, leader of Libertas, the most prominent anti-treaty campaign group in Ireland.

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1 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:36:21pm

I love the Irish....

2 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:36:48pm

Erin go Bragh!

3 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:36:49pm

The Irish- gotta love 'em!

4 gibsonz  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:37:46pm

Some sanity left in the world after all...refreshing.

5 bosforus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:37:59pm

Those pesky voters.

6 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:38:27pm

Totalitarians only love democracy when it woks for them.

7 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:39:47pm

This Irishman nods approvingly.

8 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:39:51pm

How dare they!
This excess of freedom must be crushed!
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9 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:40:15pm

Guinness all around!

10 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:40:19pm

Wait 'til StPatrick hears this (the Lizard not the dead one).

11 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:40:25pm

Go Ireland

Years ago I was traveling there, and I saw a small billboard in a train station, and it simply said

Have faith in God

12 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:40:29pm

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever read the whole thing.

13 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:02pm

This is the second time that Ireland has told the EU to take a hike via the polls. Think it might sink in? Me neither.

14 Cap'n DOC  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:09pm

re: #12 abolitionist

Why? Is it a sleeping aid?

15 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:23pm

Fantastic! They are channeling the Spirit of Brian Boru.
I'll have a Jameson with a Guiness in back.

16 vapig  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:37pm

I hope this catches on over there.

17 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:48pm

Isn't this like the third time it has been killed? What is the Bureaucracy gonna do, fold up and go home? This thing is a self perpetuating beast. It will go on. It is like someone let the camel into the tent and now they realize they don't want it in there. Stick a fork in Europe, its done.

18 greygandalf  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:41:55pm

53% probably not enough of a loss to demotivate them from continuing to try, but a positive for now

19 kynna  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:23pm
The European Union’s Orwellian “reform treaty” has been rejected by the voters of Ireland, and that means it’s probably dead—but only probably, because the EU will now try to find a way to bypass the will of the voters.

My first thoughts exactly. They'll just take a different route.

But it's nice to see someone stand up to the EU for once. Let's just hope it's not a last stand.

20 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:30pm

Good for them!

21 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:43pm

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

This Irishman nods approvingly.

Should it be JammiewearingMcfool then? Just askin'....

22 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:50pm

re: #6 The Other Les

Totalitarians only love democracy when it woks for them.

And in true progressive form- they'll keep holding these EU treaty elections until they get the results they want.

23 gibsonz  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:52pm

Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen now will join other EU leaders at a summit next week to try to negotiate a new way forward.around the vote
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24 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:42:54pm

re: #12 abolitionist

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever read the whole thing.

About as many as have read the US tax code.

25 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:43:21pm

They will keep holding referendums until the peons vote the correct way...

Ireland was one of the few countries actually allowed to have a referendum.

26 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:43:33pm

YES! The Irish were Irish when England was but a pup, and neither nation considers themselves European. An actual victory for personal liberty over societal security in Europe is a beautiful thing to behold.

27 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:43:39pm

re: #12 abolitionist

Oh come now, Tony Blair will make a very nice chap to run your life. (Yeah right.)

28 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:44:09pm

re: #14 Cap'n DOC

Why? Is it a sleeping aid?

IIRC, War and Peace is shorter.

29 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:44:58pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

And in true progressive form- they'll keep holding these EU treaty elections until they get the results they want.

They're apparently not doing it Chicago style.

30 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:45:16pm

Sláinte.

/speaking of rum and drinks

31 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:46:30pm

re: #12 abolitionist

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever read the whole thing.

I wonder if anyone, anywhere, even CAN read the whole thing.

32 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:46:43pm

re: #29 The Other Les

They're apparently not doing it Chicago style.

No- Chicago style politics is too America, and thus uncouth, to the worldly europeans.

33 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:46:52pm

YESSSSSSS!

34 bosforus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:47:25pm
The Lisbon Treaty and the failed constitution before it sought to reshape EU powers and institutions in line with the bloc's rapid growth in size and population since 2004.

Both documents proposed to strengthen the roles of the EU's president and foreign policy chief, reduce the areas where individual nations could veto policy changes and increase the powers of the European Parliament to scrutinize EU laws.

Does the EU have plans for creating a military to enforce their "laws" yet?

35 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:47:37pm

Looks like it's time for the Irish to save civilization again.

How the Irish Saved Civilization

36 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:47:53pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

And in true progressive form- they'll keep holding these EU treaty elections until they get the results they want.

Not this one. All of the nations had to agree to the Lisbon Treaty unanimously. Ireland's vote killed the treaty. They'll have to either give up entirely or come up with some other treaty.

37 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:48:36pm

re: #34 bosforus

Why? They can just come hat-in-hand to their old buddies overseas again. It's worked out twice already.

38 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:48:39pm

Oh, not sure you guys caught this, but ex-Congressman JC Watts (R-OK) is launching an all-black cable news channel.

Canadian Press picked up the news, and wrote a rather...odd...headline about it: "News network in U.S. for blacks eyed". Blacks Eyed? Will Fergie be the lead anchor?

[Link: canadianpress.google.com...]

(BTW, he said the way the Rev. Wright fiasco was handled, motivated him. Like what, a black channel would've been "fairer"? Against hate speech?)

39 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #34 bosforus

the key word being "yet"

40 winston06  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:49:39pm

Disband EU now

41 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:49:51pm

re: #34 bosforus

Does the EU have plans for creating a military to enforce their "laws" yet?

They probably just assume that we'll continue to foot the bill for keeping Western Europe armed and safe.

42 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:10pm

re: #38 vbspurs

Well, in CBC terms, the hate speech would never have occurred if not for the vile, racist tendencies present in Amerikkkan culture (or what passes for it, the heathens).

43 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:11pm

Slante!
Up the Irish!

Ahhhh.. Cade Millie Filte!

(Cheers!)
(Hooray for us-the Irish!)
(Ah...A thousand Smiles!-much happiness!)

44 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:17pm

Why do the same people that fear "one world government" advocate the EU and UN?

45 gibsonz  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:27pm

The left never stops counting or voting until the desired result is achieved...then once there, it`s the old "the people have spoken" gambit.

46 bosforus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:34pm

re: #39 Mike in Georgia

the key word being "yet"

Yep. I don't know much about the EU but these kinds of treaties require unanimous agreement, right? I'm sure they could cut that down to a 2/3's majority if they had an army.

47 Catttt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:46pm

Absolutely fabulous. Yay, land of my fathers (my daddy, when the subject arose, always said he was "Irish as Paddy's pig").

From the side bar to the linked article:

A "no" result would throw the 27-nation EU into diplomatic turmoil. All EU nations must approve the painstakingly negotiated pact for it to become law. Ireland is the only EU member country subjecting the Treaty of Lisbon to a popular national vote.

Darn that democratic process of letting the plebians actually decide their own future, anyway. /

48 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:49pm

re: #36 galloping granny

Do you have a comprehension issue? That was my point- they'll come up with another treaty, and another, and another until they get the result they want.

49 Ackattack  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:50:58pm

I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble...how did the far left work to shoot this down? Wanting to keep low taxes, banning abortion...did I miss something? I assumed wanting low taxes and keeping their "family values" was something only the Right worried about. Can I get an explanation?

50 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:51:34pm

re: #34 bosforus

Does the EU have plans for creating a military to enforce their "laws" yet?

What would that military look like? Precision of the Germans, bravery of the French? They would probably just expand the legion l'etranger to protect them.

51 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:51:54pm

re: #44 WrathofG-d

Why do the same people that fear "one world government" advocate the EU and UN?

They don't fear one-world government. They just fear a one-world government run by capitalists. But benign (or not) dictatorship... that's cool.

52 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:52:11pm

re: #49 Ackattack

Explanation: Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

53 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:52:43pm

An soooo close to St. Kevin's Day.
Celebrate the feast again I say!

54 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:10pm

re: #44 WrathofG-d

Why do the same people that fear "one world government" advocate the EU and UN?

Because they're really really really really really really really really really really stupid?

55 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:11pm

re: #42 StPatrick

Well, in CBC terms, the hate speech would never have occurred if not for the vile, racist tendencies present in Amerikkkan culture (or what passes for it, the heathens).

Well, much more unfortunate is Rep. Watts (whom I have always liked) saying:

""I'm a Republican. Barack Obama is a Democrat. I am not taking a position in the presidential race, but I can tell you this: If people vote against Barack Obama because of what the Rev. Wright said, it would be unfortunate."

I don't agree with what the Rev. Wright said, but I've said to some of my Republican friends: 'Guys, it's a whole big world out there and I guarantee you, before all is said and done, there will be associations that a Republican has. You are going to be on a slippery slope."'"

That's moral relativism, and I thought JC Watts was better than that.

56 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:25pm

re: #38 vbspurs

Oh, not sure you guys caught this, but ex-Congressman JC Watts (R-OK) is launching an all-black cable news channel.

Canadian Press picked up the news, and wrote a rather...odd...headline about it: "News network in U.S. for blacks eyed". Blacks Eyed? Will Fergie be the lead anchor?

[Link: canadianpress.google.com...]

(BTW, he said the way the Rev. Wright fiasco was handled, motivated him. Like what, a black channel would've been "fairer"? Against hate speech?)

Hmmmm - isn't there some sort of discrimination issue there? Equal Opportunity?

57 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:36pm

re: #45 gibsonz

The left never stops counting or voting until the desired result is achieved...then once there, it`s the old "the people have spoken" gambit.

kind of like mugabe and his re-votes.

58 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:47pm

"Oh frabjous day! Calloo Callay! he chortled in his joy."

While I don't think this is the end of the EU Jabberwok, the Irish (God bless 'em) have dealt it a serious blow. Hopefully other European populations will take to the streets and demand the popular referendums their governments worked so hard to deny them.

59 Sunlight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:52pm

This is amazing. I saw it somewhere this morning. It could be payback... Intel was choosing Ireland for a new fab with the newest technology... they were pretty far along with it, if I remember right. Then someone at the EU did something that canceled the deal (taxes, ..., I don't know what) and Kiryat Gat in Israel got the fab instead. Now, I'm happy for Israel, but if I were Irish, I would have been frosted by this. These Intel jobs are fabulous. The new fabs are at Portland, Oregon, Chandler, Arizona and Kiryat Gat. I heard the next one is going in at Rio Rancho (Albuquerque). So Ireland really missed out because of the EU.

60 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:53:56pm

re: #6 The Other Les

Totalitarians only love democracy when it woks for them.

Some of the most evil were elected by democratic laws. The list is neither short nor pretty, and continues to grow.

61 dmh0667  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:54:04pm

"Anti-treaty groups from the far left and right mobilized “no” voters"

'Cause, after all, only crazy extremists would waive off all that wonderful freedom to be controlled completely, right, EU?

Erin Go Bragh!

62 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:55:55pm

re: #54 Da_Beerfreak

That works for me because you would think that those who fear the world being in control of the very few would not advocate taking multiple countries run by the many and putting them instead in the hands of a few elites.

~but what do I know.

ok now watch this OT thingy

63 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:55:57pm

re: #56 galloping granny

Hmmmm - isn't there some sort of discrimination issue there? Equal Opportunity?

Well, though they behave like a public good, networks/cable channels are still private. I guess as long as they hire whites, they can make it Afrocentric in scope.

BTW, I am about to write a blogpost wondering outloud -- what next? An all-woman network because there was sexist bias on MSNBC against Hillary Clinton?

Ugh, I don't want to go down this road. This country is becoming ever more fragmented by the cultural revolution that is Barack Obama.

64 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:55:59pm

re: #49 Ackattack

I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble...how did the far left work to shoot this down? Wanting to keep low taxes, banning abortion...did I miss something? I assumed wanting low taxes and keeping their "family values" was something only the Right worried about. Can I get an explanation?

The far left simply cannot give up the idea of everyone giving up their national identity to become "European." There is a huge backlash. The Irish don't want to be European - they want to be Irish. If they didn't want to be Irish, they probably would have long since come here and become American.

65 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:56:09pm
66 tommygum  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:56:19pm

Let us hope that this will compared to the Battle of Midway by historians a hundred years hence.

67 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:56:27pm

re: #6 The Other Les

Totalitarians only love democracy when it woks for them.

I feel the same way about Chinese restaurants....

/Really I think it should read ...'when they can make it work for them the way they want it to'....

68 Catttt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:13pm

re: #49 Ackattack

I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble...how did the far left work to shoot this down? Wanting to keep low taxes, banning abortion...did I miss something? I assumed wanting low taxes and keeping their "family values" was something only the Right worried about. Can I get an explanation?


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They seem to have a unique perspective. Interesting.

Unlike practically all other European party systems, the Irish party system exhibits no strong left-right division. The 2 largest parties have not traditionally defined themselves in terms of ideology, but grew out of differences over the nationalist agenda at the time of independence.

Source: [Link: www.nationsencyclopedia.com...]

69 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:18pm

re: #63 vbspurs

Well, though they behave like a public good, networks/cable channels are still private. I guess as long as they hire whites, they can make it Afrocentric in scope.

BTW, I am about to write a blogpost wondering outloud -- what next? An all-woman network because there was sexist bias on MSNBC against Hillary Clinton?

Ugh, I don't want to go down this road. This country is becoming ever more fragmented by the cultural revolution that is Barack Obama.

There already is an "all woman" network I think - O.

70 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:21pm

re: #58 USBeast

After the French and Dutch tried to kill it as well. Rest assured, Brussels will try to find a way around this. There will be a new attempt, swaddled in PC friendliness, "Green" sensibilities, and "respect" coming down the pike, just as soon as the pointy-headed, unelected, "I know better than the unwashed" types get around to figuring out how to fix it.

My question to the lizards: how soon until they drop the ultimate fascist ploy, and start using irrational fear to make their case?

71 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:38pm

re: #65 Lizard by the Bay

OT:

Another dead big fish in Iraq.

Nice work, boys!

72 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:41pm

re: #61 dmh0667

It is also "interesting" that when the majority/the people vote opposite of the way that the writer/MSM likes, its "motivating the extremists"...or "those from the far left and right."

How about we just accept that the majority of the Irish didn't want this thing.

73 tommygum  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:57:52pm

re: #34 bosforus

Does the EU have plans for creating a military to enforce their "laws" yet?

Why? They have us for that.

Groan.

74 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:58:12pm

re: #69 galloping granny

There already is an "all woman" network I think - O.

Yeah, and I don't watch that either. ;)

(Cable news channel, however, is another kettle of fish)

75 cheatypantsmcsweatervest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:58:46pm

to be fair the EU requires all 27 nations to create this
in 1787 we made the Constitution only need 9 out of the 13 states to come into effect.
Just sayin'

76 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:58:48pm

re: #71 coquimbojoe

Nice work, boys!

The "boys" in this case were not our boys, but the Iraqi police. Still, congrats are in order.

77 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:58:51pm

re: #65 Lizard by the Bay

OT:

Another dead big fish in Iraq.

Saudi national Abu Bakr al-Saudi was killed along with his four comrades near the town of Haditha in the Sunni Arab province, Colonel Mohammed Hussain told AFP.

"We got a tip-off about his whereabouts from the locals. Our forces fought an intense seven-hour battle with him and his aides during which Abu Bakr and four others were killed," Hussain said.

Awesome, the Iraqi police got the Saudi POS on a tip from the locals. Fantastic.

78 bosforus  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:59:10pm

re: #50 coquimbojoe

What would that military look like? Precision of the Germans, bravery of the French? They would probably just expand the legion l'etranger to protect them.

I'd like to see something like this. Just to shake things up a bit.

79 calvin coolidge  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:59:38pm

Why eat waffles when you could have had Lucky Charms?

80 nihilist  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 3:59:41pm

How many months/years before the EU shoves a revised treaty down Ireland's throat, with their own Irish leaders fully complicit in the shakedown?

It shocks and delights me when Europeans do this sort of thing - when they don't cooperate with their handlers. I love it. The EU politicos wants to be the US so bad but they are going about it all the wrong ways. Replacing true nationalism with some forced European nationalism is probably not the way to go.

I'm of the mind that the mission of the European elite, a connected class so disconnected with normal Europeans that it makes the gulf between everyday Americans and our own Congress Critters look like a puddle, is to plod along purposefully towards a federation where no former sovereign country has it's own real identity any more. Europe will be easier for these power-hungry socialists to control from one common building in Belgium, especially when the multicultural blender turns them all into docile Europeans, not Irish and Frenchmen fomerly prone to rebellion and being uncontrollable.

Too bad it's just a momentary red light on the highway to hell for Europe.

81 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:00:01pm

Fayth n' Begorrah! Could the ponzi scheme of a currency known as the Euro be next? I know there's already some EU countries that opted out (the UK- a few scandanavian ones)....

82 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:00:14pm

re: #69 galloping granny

There already is an "all woman" network I think - O.

And boy is it awful. Really, a totally crappy network. I just read the names of the shows and scrolled on by. LOL

83 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:00:36pm

re: #70 StPatrick

After the French and Dutch tried to kill it as well. Rest assured, Brussels will try to find a way around this. There will be a new attempt, swaddled in PC friendliness, "Green" sensibilities, and "respect" coming down the pike, just as soon as the pointy-headed, unelected, "I know better than the unwashed" types get around to figuring out how to fix it.

My question to the lizards: how soon until they drop the ultimate fascist ploy, and start using irrational fear to make their case?

The French and Dutch killed the EU constitution a couple of years ago. So they rewrote the thing to be the Lisbon Treaty, which the Irish just shot to hell. I hear the EU folks in Belgium are hopping mad.

84 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:00:48pm

BTW, sorry to threadjack -- back to Ireland:

It has one of the lowest rates of immigration of all the EU countries. I remember reading that only Portugal had less.

/maybe they saw the vagaries of multicultarism in Holland...

85 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:00:59pm

re: #82 gop_patriot

And boy is it awful. Really, a totally crappy network. I just read the names of the shows and scrolled on by. LOL

I've never turned the thing on.

86 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:21pm

re: #76 Lizard by the Bay

The "boys" in this case were not our boys, but the Iraqi police. Still, congrats are in order.

I know, I read it. Kudos for them for standing and fighting. There was a time that they wouldn't. Great post because it puts the lies to some many of those that say Iraq is failing. No dammit, that are going toe to toe and winning. What I found interesting is they knew the whereabouts of these guys for hours and didn't call in an airstrike. They did it the old fashioned way.

87 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:29pm

re: #58 USBeast

"Oh frabjous day! Calloo Callay! he chortled in his joy."

While I don't think this is the end of the EU Jabberwok, the Irish (God bless 'em) have dealt it a serious blow. Hopefully other European populations will take to the streets and demand the popular referendums their governments worked so hard to deny them.

Amen. It's up to the people of every European country to demand referenda the next time.

88 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:52pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

And in true progressive form- they'll keep holding these EU treaty elections until they get the results they want.

Another madman lusting for power held a nation hostage to repeat elections until he got his way to the detriment of all mankind.

89 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:53pm

re: #85 galloping granny

I've never turned the thing on.

Smart woman! :)

90 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:58pm

re: #79 calvin coolidge

Why eat waffles when you could have had Lucky Charms?

Obama = So Magically Delicious.

/deranged Obamessian.

91 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:01:59pm

re: #19 kynna

My first thoughts exactly. They'll just take a different route.

But it's nice to see someone stand up to the EU for once. Let's just hope it's not a last stand.

Wasn't this "Treaty of Lisbon" an attempt at an end run already? When France and Holland voted against the EU Constitution in 2005, they decided to revamp it and then run it through as a treaty to avoid that pesky public vote thing. Too bad, for them anyway, the Irish required a vote for treaty ratification.

92 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:02:07pm

re: #85 galloping granny

I fear that both networks will be the same: Victimology T.V.
(you ever watched Lifetime?)

93 DesertSage  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:02:17pm
force Ireland to change core policies — including its low business tax rates, its military neutrality and its ban on abortion.

Low business tax rates? How dare they!
All that low business tax rates do is attract more businesses to your country.

/why is the world would they want to do that?

94 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:02:54pm

re: #67 coquimbojoe

I feel the same way about Chinese restaurants....

/Really I think it should read ...'when they can make it work for them the way they want it to'....

I try to keep it as short as possible.

/Village Wok... Hmmmmmmm...

95 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:03:04pm

By my last count, there were four cable networks primarily programmed for women (but none of them have news divisions):

Lifetime
Lifetime Movie Network (a wife-beating every half-hour guaranteed!)
O! (Oxygen)
Hallmark Channel

96 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:03:17pm

re: #80 nihilist

I mentioned it earlier, and it must be kept in mind: the Irish, English, and Scots do not think of themselves as European. Their culture and values are unique to the isles, and there is (among the populace, at any rate, not so much the pols) a fierce streak of independence. Seeing as how the Irish and Scots had to fight and die for so many years to achieve said independence, it is not surprising that they are unwilling to relinquish it to a new foreign master.

97 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:03:29pm

re: #72 WrathofG-d

It is also "interesting" that when the majority/the people vote opposite of the way that the writer/MSM likes, its "motivating the extremists"...or "those from the far left and right."

How about we just accept that the majority of the Irish didn't want this thing.

BINGO ! We have a winner !

98 tommygum  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:03:29pm

re: #55 vbspurs

That's moral relativism, and I thought JC Watts was better than that.

Me too.

99 Sunlight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:03:55pm

re: #80 nihilist

It seems to me that the problem is in the lack of direct elections of the EU structure. I think they are elected by people who are like "super delegates", supposed to represent their countries, but who knows. And lots of the EU structure is an administrative (rather than elected) bunch. Also, these Euro countries have the party list stuff going on rather than a candidate directly responsible to a district's voters (so they could throw out bums)...

100 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:04:08pm

re: #95 Lizard by the Bay

By my last count, there were four cable networks primarily programmed for women (but none of them have news divisions):

Lifetime
Lifetime Movie Network (a wife-beating every half-hour guaranteed!)
O! (Oxygen)
Hallmark Channel

Hey, I watch the Waltons on Hallmark! (It's an European thing...).

For men:

Spike (I love it!)
Fishing Channel
Golf Channel
ESPN
ESPN2

And all the Playboys. ;)

101 UberInfidel67  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:04:28pm

For our dear Irish friends:

102 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:04:51pm

re: #95 Lizard by the Bay

By my last count, there were four cable networks primarily programmed for women (but none of them have news divisions):

Lifetime
Lifetime Movie Network (a wife-beating every half-hour guaranteed!)
O! (Oxygen)
Hallmark Channel

That is where you are wrong there are actually two I can think of off the top of my head. This one & that one.
(just depends on what you consider "news")

103 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:05:15pm

Perhaps JC Watts is externalizing a (possibly valid) fear that this whole Wright mess could taint black churches as a whole and, by extension, the entire black community.

Watts is still a good guy in my book, despite this misstep.

104 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:05:23pm

re: #91 CyanSnowHawk

The Irish have a law in place that requires popular referendum on treaties - when you see that go down, then you'll know it's the end. I don't see how they could repeal that over the screams of the populace, but "mother knows best" Europe will certainly try to find a way.

105 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:05:46pm

re: #95 Lizard by the Bay

By my last count, there were four cable networks primarily programmed for women (but none of them have news divisions):

Lifetime
Lifetime Movie Network (a wife-beating every half-hour guaranteed!)
O! (Oxygen)
Hallmark Channel

Is there some kind of ahhh, equipment check when tuning in?
/

106 wolfie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:05:49pm

re: #75 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

to be fair the EU requires all 27 nations to create this
in 1787 we made the Constitution only need 9 out of the 13 states to come into effect.
Just sayin'

But the other four would not be compelled to join.
This was simply a case of saying a union didn't make sense w/ less than 9 states in it.

107 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:05:56pm

re: #94 The Other Les

I try to keep it as short as possible.

/Village Wok... Hmmmmmmm...

I remember Village Wok! Best wontons in the Cities.

108 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:06:15pm

re: #92 WrathofG-d

I fear that both networks will be the same: Victimology T.V.
(you ever watched Lifetime?)

No, I'm afraid I don't. I watch the food network as long as kaffiyeh girl is not on, or sometimes the history channel or Top Chef. No Disney, no movies, no CNN. Truthfully, I don't really "watch" TV, it is just on for background noise.

My littlest granddaughter is coming to visit next week. I think she'll get quite a surprise when she finds there is no Barbie and no Dora and so on. We have garden tools and a place to dig though.

109 Sunlight  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:06:28pm

re: #93 DesertSage

Low business tax rates? How dare they!
All that low business tax rates do is attract more businesses to your country.

/why is the world would they want to do that?

See comment #59.

110 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:06:50pm

re: #63 vbspurs

Well, though they behave like a public good, networks/cable channels are still private. I guess as long as they hire whites, they can make it Afrocentric in scope.

BTW, I am about to write a blogpost wondering outloud -- what next? An all-woman network because there was sexist bias on MSNBC against Hillary Clinton?

Ugh, I don't want to go down this road. This country is becoming ever more fragmented by the cultural revulsion that is Barack Obama.

Fixed it for ya.

111 mrkwong  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:07:01pm

So the EUrocrats failed again, despite having gotten 26 out of the 27 governments to stuff this thing up their people's backsides like a 40-grit suppository. What's next? Will they get each member state to print the whole thing on postage stamps and claim that the issuance thereof equals ratification? I'm sure there's well-meaning folks that somehow think this would be a Good Idea, but most are just looking forward to the massive swelling of the Brusselsocracy as a chance to move into a new job with a bigger-breasted admin assistant.

112 Miss Molly  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:07:44pm

WOW! So the Irish refuse to buckel under the dictatorial, unnacountable, incompetent, socialist lefties in Brussels. I hope in their meeting to go "forward" the Irish just tell them all to take a hike off a tall short cliff.

113 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:07:49pm

re: #108 galloping granny

No barbie and no Dora?........per the new rules I think that is considered "child abuse" or "torture"?

Anyway, every lifetime program has the same theme. Girl falls in love with wrong guy...becomes victim.

114 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:08:19pm

Ah!
Bushmills with my baked potato, tha's a good lass.

115 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:08:24pm

re: #105 jcm

Is there some kind of ahhh, equipment check when tuning in?
/

Sort of. Don't watch if you like your testosterone right where it is...

116 vbspurs  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:08:25pm

re: #103 Lizard by the Bay

Perhaps JC Watts is externalizing a (possibly valid) fear that this whole Wright mess could taint black churches as a whole and, by extension, the entire black community.

Watts is still a good guy in my book, despite this misstep.

Good, fair analysis.

But, and this might be a point, just how many bitter-free black journalists will he and his cadre be able to find, to transmit news "fairly" given black American opinion on the topic?

I'm not for a moment saying that black-Americans think monolithicly. I am saying that when the emphasis is on "black issues", they do tend to be more extreme and victimised.

/off to dinner. *waves*

117 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:08:34pm

re: #105 jcm

Is there some kind of ahhh, equipment check when tuning in?
/

I didn't say men don't/can't watch them, only that their target audience is female. And if you're not sure, just watch the ads. If you see a tampon ad followed by diapers ad followed by "a diamond is forever" DeBeers ad, you are watching a chick channel. Pure and simple.

118 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:08:45pm

re: #113 WrathofG-d

No barbie and no Dora?........per the new rules I think that is considered "child abuse" or "torture"?

Anyway, every lifetime program has the same theme. Girl falls in love with wrong guy...becomes victim.

I do not believe in falling in love, picking up dirty socks or being a victim of anything, ever. I don't think I would be very happy at Lifetime.

119 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:09:06pm

Per the rules the world holds up for the U.S., wouldn't not joining something they don't like but the world is trying to force them into make them horrible, dispicable, moronic, blah blah blah (ie; everything they call us when we do our own thing?)

Double standard.

120 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:09:37pm

A great read is

"How the Irish Saved Civilization"

By Thomas Cahill

121 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:09:54pm

re: #111 mrkwong

massive swelling of the Brusselsocracy as a chance to move into a new job with a bigger-breasted admin assistant.

That's better. Even running-dog capitalist pigs can appreciate that.

/sorry, Hill. I guess liking some attributes makes me a troglodyte sexist.

122 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:10:05pm

re: #42 StPatrick

Well, in CBC terms, the hate speech would never have occurred if not for the vile, racist tendencies present in Amerikkkan culture (or what passes for it, the heathens).

Because we certainly wouldn't want free speech to allow the hate groups to tip their hands before they became a strong underground movement now, would we.

123 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:10:23pm

re: #117 Lizard by the Bay

I didn't say men don't/can't watch them, only that their target audience is female. And if you're not sure, just watch the ads. If you see a tampon ad followed by diapers ad followed by "a diamond is forever" DeBeers ad, you are watching a chick channel. Pure and simple.

I like history channel and mythbusters.... stuff blowing up.

124 republic  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:10:31pm

re: #76 Lizard by the Bay

The "boys" in this case were not our boys, but the Iraqi police. Still, congrats are in order.

"The only progress in Iraq has come from those nice Iranians!"

/Nancy Pelalegosi

125 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:10:34pm

Thank you Ireland the home of my ancestors and where I still have family you did the right thing.

126 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:10:58pm

re: #119 WrathofG-d

Per the rules the world holds up for the U.S., wouldn't not joining something they don't like but the world is trying to force them into make them horrible, dispicable, moronic, blah blah blah (ie; everything they call us when we do our own thing?)

Double standard.

Perhaps they'll chalk it up to Irish stubbornness.

127 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:12:25pm

re: #100 vbspurs

Hey, I watch the Waltons on Hallmark! (It's an European thing...).

For men:

Spike (I love it!)
Fishing Channel
Golf Channel
ESPN
ESPN2

And all the Playboys. ;)

Military channel,
history Channel,
history international
Fox sports.

128 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:12:36pm

re: #108 galloping granny

My littlest granddaughter is coming to visit next week. I think she'll get quite a surprise when she finds there is no Barbie and no Dora and so on. We have garden tools and a place to dig though.

Gaaak! I'm going to the grandbabies next week. My DIL doesn't allow Barbie. but I haven't stocked up on Dora yet.

Gonna look for "World Geography" (keeping in mind my son is "Green") and "art stuff" and "gardening stuff')

129 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:12:39pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Perhaps they'll chalk it up to Irish stubbornness.


Or pre-vote binge-drinking......

130 mrkwong  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:12:44pm

I'll also note that so far as this American tourist can tell, the Irish have benefited massively from EU membership and access to French and German taxpayers' dollars.

My wife and I much appreciated the Irish cultural attractions refurbished and open to the public at no charge courtesy of EU economic-development grants.

Actually, we enjoyed Ireland a whole hell of a lot regardless. There are certainly places in the Republic that I wouldn't mind living.

But then we (mostly) manage to enjoy ourselves whereever we go.

131 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:13:58pm

re: #127 JeremyR

Military channel,
history Channel,
history international
Fox sports. Comcast Sports

Fox Sports is going bye-bye in most markets.

132 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:14:02pm

re: #70 StPatrick

After the French and Dutch tried to kill it as well. Rest assured, Brussels will try to find a way around this. There will be a new attempt, swaddled in PC friendliness, "Green" sensibilities, and "respect" coming down the pike, just as soon as the pointy-headed, unelected, "I know better than the unwashed" types get around to figuring out how to fix it.

My question to the lizards: how soon until they drop the ultimate fascist ploy, and start using irrational fear to make their case?

Well, let's see; European Jews are pretty much a non-issue. Russia is the friend of all as long as the oil and gas keep coming. They'd cut their own throats before they'd acknowledge Muslim integration as a threat, so who is there left to cause any fear rational or otherwise?

"This just in...a document has been discovered that reveals a secret pact between the Kennedy administration and the Vatican. This document refers to plans to establish a Papal government in Europe should the Soviets successfully undermine democratic regimes..."

133 CoonAZ  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:14:23pm

Brilliant !

134 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:14:29pm

re: #129 Fenway_Nation

Or pre-vote binge-drinking......

Indeed! Let's blame it all on all of the Irish stereotypes we can think of!

/How's the bun in the oven? ;)

135 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:14:35pm

re: #50 coquimbojoe

What would that military look like? Precision of the Germans, bravery of the French? They would probably just expand the legion l'etranger to protect them.


Perhaps with British mess sergeants, Italian uniforms, Belgian officers...

136 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:15:24pm

re: #112 Miss Molly

WOW! So the Irish refuse to buckel under the dictatorial, unnacountable, incompetent, socialist lefties in Brussels. I hope in their meeting to go "forward" the Irish just tell them all to take a hike off a tall short cliff.

HUH?

Maybe take a short hike off a tall cliff, or a long walk on a short pier over a swift river full of man eating crocs.

137 DesertSage  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:15:42pm

I wonder which way O'Bama's Irish relatives voted?

138 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:15:58pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Indeed! Let's blame it all on all of the Irish stereotypes we can think of!

Perhaps they were afraid the Germans were going to force them to serve cold beer. :-D

139 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #136 JeremyR

I believe the traditional reply is "get stuffed". "Go f##k yourselves" would suffice in a pinch.

140 bosk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:17:24pm

re: #113 WrathofG-d
No such thing as child abuse if the girl child is in a muslim family.

141 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:17:32pm

Well.....wouldn't the treaty empower EU chiefs in Brussels, Belgium, to force Ireland to change core policies — including its low business tax rates, its military neutrality and its ban on abortion?

It has already been used to force other countries into changes they didn't want to make.

142 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:17:39pm

re: #131 Lizard by the Bay

Fox Sports is going bye-bye in most markets.

LOL. I never watch it anyway. I'll stick with military and history, although both are getting weird. Comeon, UFO's?

143 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:17:48pm

You know I see great possibilities for invoking some of the "hate speech" laws. Just label any speech that defames the noble name of the EU as hate speech because it might cause somebody someplace to feel bad. You could also make EU denial an offense too like Holocaust denial. (Before anybody hops on me I have met a number of Holocaust survivors, I suggest it. It is important to meet these people while there are still some left.) They could also ban editorial cartoons that depict the EU. The sky is the limit. They could throw Canada into the soup too. All you good Canadians wake up some morning and find that your new "president" is Tony Blair. The possibilities are endless.

144 ahem  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:17:50pm

It's a great day to be Irish.

145 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:19:22pm

Anti-treaty groups from the far left and right mobilized “no” voters by claiming [INFORMING THEM] that the treaty would empower EU chiefs in Brussels, Belgium, to force Ireland to change core policies — including its low business tax rates, its military neutrality and its ban on abortion.

fixed

146 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:19:56pm

re: #138 Lizard by the Bay

Why do the Brits like warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators!

(Lucas made electrical systems for British cars in the 50,s 60,s and seventies. Notoriously terrible and unreliable..)

147 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:20:03pm

re: #138 Lizard by the Bay

Perhaps they were afraid the Germans were going to force them to serve cold beer. :-D

Those in favor of the treaty were too busy brawling to vote. ;p

148 bulwrk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:20:10pm

This is not the Ireland I used to know.

149 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:20:29pm

re: #146 WhiteRasta

Why do the Brits like warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators!

(Lucas made electrical systems for British cars in the 50,s 60,s and seventies. Notoriously terrible and unreliable..)

The Prince of Darkness...

150 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:17pm

re: #146 WhiteRasta

Also because the flavors of the malt and hops come out better at 55F...not to quibble, but it makes a huge difference, especially with stronger brews, such as stouts, porters, IPAs, etc.

151 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:25pm

re: #146 WhiteRasta

Lucas made electrical systems for British cars in the 50,s 60,s and seventies. Notoriously terrible and unreliable.

I know. I was in my dad's '67 Jag 'E' Type once when the entire dash exploded in flames.

152 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #146 WhiteRasta

Why do the Brits like warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators!

(Lucas made electrical systems for British cars in the 50,s 60,s and seventies. Notoriously terrible and unreliable..)

HA!

Lucas, God of Darkness

153 Catttt  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:27pm

re: #117 Lizard by the Bay

I didn't say men don't/can't watch them, only that their target audience is female. And if you're not sure, just watch the ads. If you see a tampon ad followed by diapers ad followed by "a diamond is forever" DeBeers ad, you are watching a chick channel. Pure and simple.

And the converse is true. Not to mention the old fogey ads. Virtually all the ads I see are investment, expensive car, and male body function ads. I guess I watch rich old coot stuff. :D

154 akak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:46pm

EU Treaty......Really should be called something else. Too bad Orianna is not here with us.

155 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:21:58pm
156 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:22:14pm

re: #154 akak

Submission?

157 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:22:24pm

Another crack in the EU...I read earlier that Germans are starting to exchange any euros from other central banks to those euros from the German central bank...evidently you can tell where the euros were printed by the seriel numbers....German ones start with an X.
Although all euros spend the same...germans must know something we don't.

158 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #146 WhiteRasta

Why do the Brits like warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators!

(Lucas made electrical systems for British cars in the 50,s 60,s and seventies. Notoriously terrible and unreliable..)

Lucas: God of darkness!

159 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:22:49pm

re: #155 ironbill

Hate to go OT but guess who just plead guilty of aiding terrorists?http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/ former-usf-student-pleads-guilty-aiding- terrorists/?news-metro

Umm, Nancy Pelosi?

160 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:22:56pm

re: #153 Catttt

And the converse is true. Not to mention the old fogey ads. Virtually all the ads I see are investment, expensive car, and male body function ads. I guess I watch rich old coot stuff. :D

Yes, and I have yet to meet a woman that was impressed with the "two bathtubs on a hill" ad that was played to death not so long ago.

161 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:23:22pm

Good on the Irish! Why any nation would give up it's soverign rights AS a nation is beyond me - especially in Europe where there are so many different cultures and peoples.
Again, Erin Go Brag.

162 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:23:26pm

re: #149 Capitalist Tool

The Prince of Darkness...

I know. I once owned a Triumph TR-7.

163 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:23:57pm

If the Europeans really want a workable constitution I know a dandy. It starts with the words: "We the people..."

164 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #104 StPatrick

The Irish have a law in place that requires popular referendum on treaties - when you see that go down, then you'll know it's the end. I don't see how they could repeal that over the screams of the populace, but "mother knows best" Europe will certainly try to find a way.

Trying that in the next few years will be an obvious ploy to allow the EU to try again. That could get... ugly.

165 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #157 missouri boy

Really? Do you have a link to that story?

And- it could be German nationalism rearing it's ugly head again- I don't know. I'd like to see that story....

166 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:24:03pm

re: #159 Capitalist Tool


Actually, that's a damn good guess!

167 psyop  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:24:22pm

Good for Ireland.

Stand up to the EU and their march to dictatorial socialism.

168 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:24:52pm

re: #128 Alouette

Gaaak! I'm going to the grandbabies next week. My DIL doesn't allow Barbie. but I haven't stocked up on Dora yet.

Gonna look for "World Geography" (keeping in mind my son is "Green") and "art stuff" and "gardening stuff')

I found the most wonderful gardening stuff at target. Pretty little tool set and bag that even came with tiny gardening gloves. Lego. Real tiny baking dishes are always a hit. And of course I love to buy musical instruments. Especially drums. :)

169 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:25:12pm

re: #166 ironbill

Don't forget Harry Reid and 5/9 of SCOTUS.

170 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:25:22pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

I will find the link.....I read that today. Give me a minute.

171 MES41067  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:25:53pm

Thats so cool the romans had a rough time also if I remember right.

172 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:00pm

re: #43 Kostya Lotz

Slante!
Up the Irish!

Ahhhh.. Cade Millie Filte!

(Cheers!)
(Hooray for us-the Irish!)
(Ah...A thousand Smiles!-much happiness!)


Now, if all of this spunk would just transfedr to Notre Dame football.

173 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:03pm

re: #170 missouri boy

Thanks!

174 Moody leo  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:24pm

re: #35 Neo Con since 9-11

Loved the book! Good for the Irish for voting against the Lisbon treaty, now if the rest of the Celts would show some gumption.

175 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:26pm

re: #149 Capitalist Tool

The Prince of Darkness...

Ya I know I had a "1969 triumph spitfire" The system was so bad that I had to put it on a charger every night.

176 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:29pm

re: #166 ironbill

Actually, that's a damn good guess!

Thanks! I'm a pretty good guesser, 'specially when I'm not drinkin', which I am.

177 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:26:39pm

re: #155 ironbill

Hate to go OT but guess who just plead guilty of aiding terrorists?http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/ former-usf-student-pleads-guilty-aiding- terrorists/?news-metro

1/2 the House and 1/2 of the Senate?

178 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:27:24pm

re: #155 ironbill

Hate to go OT but guess who just plead guilty of aiding terrorists?http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/ former-usf-student-pleads-guilty-aiding- terrorists/?news-metro

Don't know about a plea, but five of our Supreme Injustices of the Court ARE guilty of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

179 2by2  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:03pm

re: #80 nihilist

good point, coming form one of the driving force Europe United countries, Germany, I couldn't more than agree with your observation of them trying to be the USA, but going all wrong about it.
The US of A were created in the face of European divisions of short sighted national interest on the base of Ideals and Ideas.
It's impossible for the European Nations to overcome the two thousand year old history of divisions, unless you create something on the level of the lowest common denominator, which is questionable to begin with. If there are no ideals other than somehow put all these nations under one hat, ie rule, what you're left with is nothing short of a petty dictatorship of mediocre values.
Combine that with the Islamic onslaught and what you get is a toothless giant, pretending to be a nation.
Got to love the fighting Irish.

180 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:07pm

re: #155 ironbill

Heh. Mega-head can't wait to pin it all on his friend now.

181 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:28pm

re: #175 BBev

Ya I know I had a "1969 triumph spitfire" The system was so bad that I had to put it on a charger every night.

I LOVED the Spitfire, at least how it looked.

182 CheatyPantsMcSweatervest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:45pm

re: #106 wolfie

But the other four would not be compelled to join.
This was simply a case of saying a union didn't make sense w/ less than 9 states in it.

true, but it would depend which of the 13 states the 4 were. The union wouldn't work without NY, VA, MA. Now if RI or GA held out, they'd come around

183 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:48pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

Really? Do you have a link to that story?

And- it could be German nationalism rearing it's ugly head again- I don't know. I'd like to see that story....

I would love to see the link too, but not because I am afraid of any "German Nationalism." We probably have more Nazis here in the US than the Germans do today and they are as entitled to some national pride as we are.

184 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:28:54pm

re: #176 Capitalist Tool

Thanks! I'm a pretty good guesser, 'specially when I'm not drinkin', which I am.


re: #177 VegasRick

1/2 the House and 1/2 of the Senate?

I returned to college 2 years ago after a very long absence and have, unsurprisingly, discovered that 9/10 of the faculty support our enemies

185 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:29:17pm

re: #155 ironbill

Hate to go OT but guess who just plead guilty of aiding terrorists?http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/13/ former-usf-student-pleads-guilty-aiding- terrorists/?news-metro

Awww- did cair lose a political martyr? Poor babies.

186 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:29:48pm

re: #157 missouri boy

Another crack in the EU...I read earlier that Germans are starting to exchange any euros from other central banks to those euros from the German central bank...evidently you can tell where the euros were printed by the seriel numbers....German ones start with an X.
Although all euros spend the same...germans must know something we don't.

Here's the skinny:
"....an exhibition where visitors learned why the bank focused on price stability rather than just looking for ways to boost economic growth, and were introduced to some funny money.
A German savings bank employee named Roland, said “it was
fascinating to hold counterfeit money,” and acknowledged that at first he could not tell the difference between a real and a fake 50-euro bill.
Little by little, however, with help from German national bank employees, visitors were able to spot security features of euro banknotes that make the single European currency somewhat harder to counterfeit.

[Link: www.gulf-times.com...]

Now, did the Gulf Times of Qatar mean the German-printed Euro only or all Euros are harder to counterfeit?
I couldn't tell from the article, but maybe the Germans have it figured out.

187 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:30:15pm

re: #166 ironbill

Actually, that's a damn good guess!

Yeah, but he spelled it wrong, its Nancy P Lousy.

188 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:30:25pm

re: #165 Sharmuta

Here's the story...

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

189 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:30:33pm

re: #2 galloping granny

Erin go Bragh!

That's what I was going to say ... though it always brings to mind the episode of Magnum P.I. where Higgin's half-brother (and otherwise an identical twin) Irish priest shows up ... and comedy and adventure ensue.

Nothing wrong with the EU idea, except that it has been captured by lunatic leftoid academics with less respect for the population than even Obama has, and there is no accountability of the EU concils except to themselves. Somebody translate The Federalist Papers into Belgish, huh?

190 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:31:27pm

re: #184 ironbill

I returned to college 2 years ago after a very long absence and have, unsurprisingly, discovered that 9/10 of the faculty support our enemies

ROFLMAO. Becoming a college student in your middlish years is quite an eye opener.

191 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:06pm

re: #184 ironbill

I returned to college 2 years ago after a very long absence and have, unsurprisingly, discovered that 9/10 of the faculty support our enemies

The older I get, the more I realize that my dad was right about a lot of things.

He used to say that many college professors earned Ph.Ds primarily to avoid the draft in the 60s and 70s.

The more I read of academia, the more true I realize this is.

I almost earned a Ph.D, but life circumstances changed. I regret not getting the "honor" of it, but I don't regret being free of the bias.

192 pulsar  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:09pm

Hooray!

193 Beobachter  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:11pm

Thank goodness my father had the foresight to move the family to this here great country, the United States of America, 29 years ago. We have since become naturalized citizens of America.

194 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:16pm

re: #175 BBev

Ya I know I had a "1969 triumph spitfire" The system was so bad that I had to put it on a charger every night.

Swing axles that made the Corvair look stable!

But yes, it was very cute.

Got good mileage, too, on that 35-cent gasoline.

I would have loved a TR4-IRS or a TR6. Oh, those were the days, my friend.

195 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:23pm

re: #188 missouri boy

Thank you!

196 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:24pm

re: #184 ironbill

I returned to college 2 years ago after a very long absence and have, unsurprisingly, discovered that 9/10 of the faculty support our enemies

We should ship them off to the shithole of their choice.

197 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:30pm

re: #12 abolitionist

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever read the whole thing.

Yes, actually I have. Both the original and the revised 'Lisbon Treaty'. I wrote a (brief - 6 pages, I think) paper on it for a German-American transatlantic relations blog. It is not my intention to pimp my own stuff, so I won't provide a link here but if you want it, email me, my nic is blue.

Make no mistake. The EU is totalitarian, however soft it may be. As heartened as I may be by this vote, I have absolutely no doubt that Brussels will still do all it can to impose this satan's spawn however it can. This is not the end.

One thing Brussels should remember.

The Irish invented the car bomb.

198 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:30pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

The $60,000 question is this: given that CAIR has zero credibility and an established record as terror supporters, will the MSM (and the gov't for that matter) start viewing these maniacs with a critical eye?

199 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:32:53pm

re: #189 itellu3times

it always brings to mind the episode of Magnum P.I. where Higgin's half-brother (and otherwise an identical twin) Irish priest shows up ... and comedy and adventure ensue.

Not as funny as his Mexican twin brother, Don Luis Higgins.

/not made up

200 vagabond trader  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:33:05pm

re: #96 StPatrick

Why in hell did they ever join the EU? I know I know, money, and now that is drying up. Stay tuned.

201 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:33:39pm

re: #197 wahabicorridor

And Islam made it a suicide weapon.

202 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:34:06pm

Heh. Don't push the Irish around.

-Noam O'Sayin

203 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:34:40pm

[Here's what's]

Nothing wrong with the EU idea, [:] except that it has been captured by lunatic leftoid academics with less respect for the population than even Obama has, and there is no accountability of the EU concils except to themselves. Somebody translate The Federalist Papers into Belgian, huh?

/fixed

204 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:34:44pm

Evening all, I see everyone beat me to the punch on the the Lucas joke! Hats off to the Irish! Who cares if the far "right and left" wingers mobilized the voters to resist tyranny? A good deed was done today and the EU is in disarray. it is becoming more and more obvious to the locals that the EU is not a good thing for western democracy or prosperity. It is time for the EU to rethink their repressive and non-elected government. The EU will drift around for 10 years because the EU politicians love the idea of socialist non-representative government and refuse to see the writing on the wall. After a decade of getting nowhere with the locals, only then will they suggest a constitutional convention for a new and hopefully representative EU government....

205 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:34:50pm

re: #128 Alouette

Look for these dolls:
[Link: www.onlyheartsclub.com...]

They sell them at lots of Target stores now. You can also find them at fancy little toy stores, which is where I used to buy them. Soft, bendable, easy to dress, and WOW they don't look like Ann Nicole Smith.

206 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:34:55pm

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay

Not as funny as his Mexican twin brother, Don Luis Higgins.

/not made up

I actually don't recall that one, but there was the running joke of all his illegitimate half-siblings who all looked just like him, each with a different ethnicity, I recall a cowboy, ...

207 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:06pm

re: #190 galloping granny

I spent number of years in both the Marine Corps and steel construction. My body finally said "do something else."

208 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:11pm

I never believed that the EU would hold together....I made a lot of money in '05 when the french voted down the EU....euro futures fell from 1.39 to 1.17, back then.
When the SHTF, and the EU does break up.....a lot of Chinese and arabs, holding euros will wonder what happened.....just saying.

209 MellyMel  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:24pm

"Watts is still a good guy in my book, despite this misstep."

I understand the rational behind that thought, but respectfully disagree. We NEED a conservative voice that is able to reach people who otherwise only hear our side from people they don't or can't identify with.

Take Tavis Smiley. He quit working with Tom Joyner (who I do like a lot in some ways) because Tavis had the audactity to not stand lock step w/Obama. I don't always agree with Mr. Smiley, but he has my respect.

If you are interested, check it out. The good part starts at 2:08 into the video.

Tavis Smiley - Issues That Matter

/Late has hell again. Damn.

210 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:34pm

re: #198 ironbill

The $60,000 question is this: given that CAIR has zero credibility and an established record as terror supporters, will the MSM (and the gov't for that matter) start viewing these maniacs with a critical eye?

The msm has a critical eye?

211 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:56pm

re: #189 itellu3times

That's what I was going to say ... though it always brings to mind the episode of Magnum P.I. where Higgin's half-brother (and otherwise an identical twin) Irish priest shows up ... and comedy and adventure ensue.

Nothing wrong with the EU idea, except that it has been captured by lunatic leftoid academics with less respect for the population than even Obama has, and there is no accountability of the EU concils except to themselves. Somebody translate The Federalist Papers into Belgish, huh?

There is nothing at all wrong with the EU idea except virtually everything. For starters, you cannot take 20 some odd disparate societies, all of which have been at each others throats for a couple of thousand years, and force them into some artificial construct that wipes out their individual identities.

212 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:35:57pm

re: #194 itellu3times

Swing axles that made the Corvair look stable!

But yes, it was very cute.

Got good mileage, too, on that 35-cent gasoline.

I would have loved a TR4-IRS or a TR6. Oh, those were the days, my friend.

My bro-in-law still has his 1976 TR-6, and every hang tag, manual, etc. and accessory that every came with a new one.

He even has the (original to the car) hard top. Won first place at the big Houston auto show back when.

The two concessions to modernity: No Lucas parts in driving mode, and Imron eggshell white paint to lessen chips.

213 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:36:14pm

re: #191 goddessoftheclassroom

The older I get, the more I realize that my dad was right about a lot of things.

He used to say that many college professors earned Ph.Ds primarily to avoid the draft in the 60s and 70s.

The more I read of academia, the more true I realize this is.

I almost earned a Ph.D, but life circumstances changed. I regret not getting the "honor" of it, but I don't regret being free of the bias.

Same is true of the Priesthood, and ministery. Many pulpits are staffed by men who do not believe the Bible, but went to the seminary to escape the draft.

214 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:36:37pm

re: #203 StPatrick

[Here's what's]
...
/fixed

Oh, is it Belgian and not Belgish? Thanks.

215 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:36:50pm

Paddy was drinking in a Dublin pub. The bartender said, "Paddy your drunk now lad. I have to cut ya off. See ya tomorrow.
Paddy gets up takes a step & a half & falls on his face.
This continues all the way out of the pub, down the street, up his stairs & to bed.
The next morning Bridget brings him his tea & biscuits.
'So Paddy were you at the Pub last night?"
"Sure and ya know I was. Why?"
"Well Paddy dear, they just called. You forgot your wheel chair."

216 Osama Bin Asshat  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:36:58pm

Erin go Braugh

217 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:37:28pm

re: #191 goddessoftheclassroom

They do not take to being challenged with facts very well. I discovered that the hard way.

218 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:37:30pm

re: #206 itellu3times

John Hillerman was a wonderfully versatile character actor. Yes, he is still alive, but retired, hence the past verb tense.

219 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:37:54pm

O/T but there is more hope to be found if you look for it. Check out this week's podcast from Shire Network News.

220 tommygum  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:38:02pm

re: #63 vbspurs

There is an all-female network, the Lifetime channel.

221 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:38:06pm

i've always been sweet on the irish.

222 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:38:26pm

re: #213 JeremyR

Same is true of the Priesthood, and ministery. Many pulpits are staffed by men who do not believe the Bible, but went to the seminary to escape the draft.

And some go into seminary to specifically train for service to their country.

223 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:38:34pm

re: #204 loflyer

But most of Europe (continental / Scandinavian) already has that form of government, and have become used to it, like a cold swimming pool. Once you get past the initial shock, you get used to it. Something like getting used to the scent of living near a hog farm.

/Pig Finn, anyone?

224 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:39:03pm

re: #208 missouri boy

Thanks for the link- very interesting. Seems their history is a bit of a factor in their behavior.

225 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:39:43pm

re: #223 StPatrick

Hogs are money...where I live........love the smell. lol

226 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:39:45pm

Killgore Trout - in your spinoff link you state that:
"Godless Evolutionists study human/chicken relation to cure allergies; Creationists contributed nothing to science today."

Why I have no reason to disbelieve you, I do believe that you should have noted that the phrase "Creationists contributed nothing to science today." was YOUR comment and not part of the news material you put in the spinoff link.

227 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:40:25pm

re: #215 opnion

Paddy was drinking in a Dublin pub. The bartender said, "Paddy your drunk now lad. I have to cut ya off. See ya tomorrow.
Paddy gets up takes a step & a half & falls on his face.
This continues all the way out of the pub, down the street, up his stairs & to bed.
The next morning Bridget brings him his tea & biscuits.
'So Paddy were you at the Pub last night?"
"Sure and ya know I was. Why?"
"Well Paddy dear, they just called. You forgot your wheel chair."

Groan.

228 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:40:36pm

re: #220 tommygum

There is an all-female network, the Lifetime channel.

Also the "We" channel.
I don't know what the W e stands for but it is all for the ladies all the time.

229 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:01pm

Having just hatched yesterday, which of you will explain "spinoff links", and how to access others', or create my own?

230 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:10pm
"Creationists contributed nothing to science today."

?

Hmmm. Might want to talk to my daughter about that.

231 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:21pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

Yeah...I didn't perceive any nationalism...more about inflationary memories.

232 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:25pm

re: #142 JeremyR

LOL. I never watch it anyway. I'll stick with military and history, although both are getting weird. Comeon, UFO's?

Apparently the Ron Paul crowd can be counted on for the occasional ratings boost. I'm thinking this is why you get shows like Ghosthunters on channels dedicated to science.

233 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:36pm

re: #207 ironbill

I spent number of years in both the Marine Corps and steel construction. My body finally said "do something else."

That is essentially why I went back to college too. On the plus side, you have acquired organizational skills in your lifetime that will allow you to accomplish miracles. You also are not all hung up on frat parties and getting laid, so your grades should be pretty good. Just learn to bite your tongue, because you will be flabbergasted by the young'uns - especially as compared to a new Marine.

234 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:46pm

re: #217 ironbill

They do not take to being challenged with facts very well. I discovered that the hard way.

Hang out with non-academ PhDs...I have met at least a half-dozen in my line of work that were great guys.

Two at my job now...both great guys, although one is from China (Texas A&M PhD) and is more than a bit difficult to understand if he's spun up. ;)

235 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:41:48pm

Damn, I forgot "We" in my channel list. I guess that makes 5, but I had a request to remove the Hallmark Channel (I still say it's chick-centric).

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:03pm

re: #226 realwest

Yes, just editorializing. The the format of the spinoffs makes it tough to insert my own comment so I sometimes use the Fark model of headlines.

237 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:32pm

Oh, boo hoo. My daughter is too old for this now...but she would have gone crazy...

[Link: www.onlyheartsclub.com...]

But really, highly recommend these dolls over Barbie or Dora or whatever.

[Link: www.onlyheartsclub.com...]

238 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:33pm

re: #229 StPatrick

Having just hatched yesterday, which of you will explain "spinoff links", and how to access others', or create my own?

Go to the top of this page - you will see a link called "Show Top-rated Links" . Click on that and you will see links posted in a number of categories (drop-down menu).

239 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:36pm

re: #229 StPatrick

Having just hatched yesterday, which of you will explain "spinoff links", and how to access others', or create my own?

Okay, fine. First assume the position. This is going to hurt.

240 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:37pm

re: #232 CyanSnowHawk

I am an actual scientist. I second you on that post.

241 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:58pm

re: #227 VegasRick

Groan.


I take it that you didn't find it funny? Damn, that is my A material

242 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:42:58pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom


It was a very fun car till an ex-boy friend of my ex-wife decided to fire bomb it in the middle of the night.

243 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:43:01pm

re: #229 StPatrick

At the top of every thread (below the post) you can click "show spinoff links" The form is pretty easy to figure out. You can also find a form in the "show top rated links" link at the top of the page above the post.

244 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:43:29pm

re: #226 realwest

P.S. if Creationists did find a new cure for something today or made a big scientific discovery I'm sure somebody will correct me in the comments.

245 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:43:42pm

re: #230 mama winger

?

Hmmm. Might want to talk to my daughter about that.

Proof is always nice, but I guess if you ain't got nothin else ya go with snark.

246 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:43:46pm

re: #217 ironbill

They do not take to being challenged with facts very well. I discovered that the hard way.

Nope, they definitely do not. Which is one of the reasons I chose science. Very little political crap in the sciences, as long as you avoid the whole global warming fiasco.

247 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:43:48pm

re: #235 Lizard by the Bay

Damn, I forgot "We" in my channel list. I guess that makes 5, but I had a request to remove the Hallmark Channel (I still say it's chick-centric).

Around here men have a channel called Spike TV.
There's also TechTV for geeks.

248 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:44:07pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout
Oh I know that my friend, but on the rare occasion that I editorialize in the spinoff links, I usually do it AFTER the news article and then put in "blah, blah, blah" [emphasis or material added, realwest]."

249 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:44:26pm

re: #194 itellu3times

Swing axles that made the Corvair look stable!

But yes, it was very cute.

Got good mileage, too, on that 35-cent gasoline.

I would have loved a TR4-IRS or a TR6. Oh, those were the days, my friend.

I have my eye on another one.

250 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:44:48pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

P.S. if Creationists did find a new cure for something today or made a big scientific discovery I'm sure somebody will correct me in the comments.

I'll let you know after I talk to my daughter. She's still at the hospital working on some research tonight :)

251 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:45:06pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

P.S. if Creationists did find a new cure for something today or made a big scientific discovery I'm sure somebody will correct me in the comments.

I think they only concern themselves with ''curing'' Original Sin's effects on fallen mankind.
Everything else is only a temporary fix.

252 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:45:39pm

re: #241 opnion

I take it that you didn't find it funny? Damn, that is my A material

"Why did the Irishman give up waterskiing?

He couldn't find a lake with a slope on it."

(Told to me in a bar in Cork in 1977)

253 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:45:57pm

re: #211 galloping granny

There is nothing at all wrong with the EU idea except virtually everything. For starters, you cannot take 20 some odd disparate societies, all of which have been at each others throats for a couple of thousand years, and force them into some artificial construct that wipes out their individual identities.

But isn't it better than passing through customs every fifty miles, and carrying twelve different currencies? Try to get radio waves to respect your borders! And at least they didn't try to make everyone speak Esperanto to get it done.

It's just goofy, that twelve (however many) democracies "decided" together to do away with democracy in the merged entity, and then they wonder why the voters disapprove it!*

And they weren't especially at each other's throats for all that time, any more that different duchies were always fighting, and the same farm might be in six different political entities over a hundred years, depending, and you might have relatives in six different nations over three generations much less longer periods.

Not that it's my business to make their apologies!

*and just wait for a President Obama** (I can't believe that's even the remotest possibility, what the heck is wrong with the world?) to subsume US sovereignty to the world court and other comic-opera UN social clubs, as Bubba was in the midst of doing until (perhaps fortunately for us!) he was ... distracted.

**and a President McCain? don't ask. but I hope he wouldn't.

254 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:46:22pm

re: #229 StPatrick

Having just hatched yesterday, which of you will explain "spinoff links", and how to access others', or create my own?

Top of the page. Click Show Links. If you choose a category it will stay there forever more until you change it. There is an Add a link button if you are logged in, pretty self explanatory. If you want to comment on a particular link, click the number (usually 0) in the right hand column beside the link.

255 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:46:35pm

re: #251 mean Gene

I think they only concern themselves with ''curing'' Original Sin's effects on fallen mankind.
Everything else is only a temporary fix.

I think you have some mis-understanding going on there. But it's Friday night and I frankly don't give a tooty toot toot.

256 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:46:39pm

re: #229 StPatrick

Having just hatched yesterday, which of you will explain "spinoff links", and how to access others', or create my own?

Buy a round of Guinness, and we'll talk.
;-)

257 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:46:47pm

I did a paper on the EU in college. My conclusion was that it was a step toward World Goverment.
I didn't know what I was talking about. I just did some research & slapped something together & then went out for beer.
In hindsight I may tripped into the truth

258 missouri boy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:04pm

Speaking about inflationary memories.....I hope most of you are aware of what the FED has been up too......cranking the printing press of US as fast as it can print.
IMHO...the price of gasoline is not caused by supply shortages...it is priced because of the number of dollars out there. M3 has been growng at a 17+% clip since '96.....Fed cheif Greenspan took M3 out of the inflation calculations, becaused it showed too much. The govments inflation # is a lie....it's much higher and going ever higher.

259 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:05pm

re: #223 StPatrick

But most of Europe (continental / Scandinavian) already has that form of government, and have become used to it, like a cold swimming pool. Once you get past the initial shock, you get used to it. Something like getting used to the scent of living near a hog farm.

/Pig Finn, anyone?

Yeah, and a lot of the population ain't thrilled about the massive amount of rapes by Islamic immigrants and the government supression of the information.....

260 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:33pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout
As I said Killgore, I have no reason to disbelieve you on that score. I was merely criticizing the way you phrased it so that your sentiment appeared to be part of the news story.

261 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:37pm

re: #255 mama winger

I think you have some mis-understanding going on there. But it's Friday night and I frankly don't give a tooty toot toot.

HA! Waiter! Dos mas cerveza pora favor, y mas tortillas, gracias!

262 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:43pm

re: #184 ironbill

It's one reason I'm seriously considering doing home school college with my kids, letting them live at home, work part time in the field that they think interests them, etc.

263 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:47:54pm

re: #251 mean Gene

I think they only concern themselves with ''curing'' Original Sin's effects on fallen mankind.
Everything else is only a temporary fix.


Heh.

264 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:48:08pm

re: #247 mean Gene

Around here men have a channel called Spike TV.

Spike TV is (believe it or not) the latest incarnation of the long-defunct "The Nashville Network"!

265 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:48:41pm

re: #259 loflyer

Luckily for the pols, they're barely accountable, in person, to the people they supposedly represent.

266 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:48:47pm

re: #252 USBeast

"Why did the Irishman give up waterskiing?

He couldn't find a lake with a slope on it."

(Told to me in a bar in Cork in 1977)


Makes perfect sense. Beer!

267 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:49:00pm

re: #241 opnion

I take it that you didn't find it funny? Damn, that is my A material

Let me get a couple of drinks in me and I'm sure you jokes will leave me ROTFLMAO!

268 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:49:05pm

re: #260 realwest

I'm just stirring the pot little and poking fun at my creationist friends.

269 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:49:51pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

I'm just stirring the pot little and poking fun at my creationist friends.

Did they evolve or did you create them?

270 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:49:57pm

re: #261 OldLineTexan

HA! Waiter! Dos mas cerveza pora favor, y mas tortillas, gracias!


Yo quiero Dos Equis!

271 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:10pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

I'm just stirring the pot little and poking fun at my creationist friends.

God still loves you Killgore!

272 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:17pm

re: #206 itellu3times

I actually don't recall that one, but there was the running joke of all his illegitimate half-siblings who all looked just like him, each with a different ethnicity, I recall a cowboy, ...

Well, Higgins was a military man....

Four men were seated together on a train crossing Europe. All, in Civvies, were obviously Brit, and Military.
After a bit, one man stood and addressed the other, "I say, I believe we should get some conversation going here, and I believe the best Way to get conversation going is if we all introduce ourselves and tell a little about ourselves".
The other three nodded assent, upon which the first aid, " Smiths the name, Brigadier, his Majesty's Royal Infantry, married, one son, a Lawyer.
The second stood and said, "Cooks the name, Brigadier, his Majesty's Royal Engineers, Married, two sons, both financiers".
The third then rose and spoke, "Blacks the name, brigadier, his Majesty's Royal Artillery, married, one son, a doctor".
The last man then stood and said, " Butler's the name, Sergeant Major his Majesty's Royal Guard, never married, three sons, all brigadiers".

273 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:19pm

Nice to see that no-one here has a clue about the Irish and their reasons for voting against the Treaty!

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #260 realwest

P.S. You can ding my link if you want to. Plenty of people do and I don't hold any grudges. There will be no hard feelings on my end.

275 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

I'm just stirring the pot little and poking fun at my creationist friends.

You have creationist friends? How?

276 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:41pm

What's funny to me in these "debates" is the fact that I spend every working day in science and technology, I hold patents (admittedly not on the cure for cancer), and my religious beliefs have never intruded on or retarded my abilities and skills.

Strange that some think it must be so.

277 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:43pm

re: #247 mean Gene

There's also TechTV for geeks.

Not anymore. Now it's G4.

(yeah, I can barely keep up too)

278 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:51pm

re: #267 VegasRick

Let me get a couple of drinks in me and I'm sure you jokes will leave me ROTFLMAO!

Ok, Let me know when your drunk. I have a better one.

279 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:50:54pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout
I know that's all you were doing and all I was doing was trying to make the point that the way you wrote it made that phrase seem to be a part of the news story (which, btw, I thought was excellent).

280 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:51:07pm

re: #262 funky chicken

Could make finding a job difficult - is home-schooling a viable option for college at this point? I would imagine employers would be skeptical.

281 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:51:32pm

re: #211 galloping granny

There is nothing at all wrong with the EU idea except virtually everything. For starters, you cannot take 20 some odd disparate societies, all of which have been at each others throats for a couple of thousand years, and force them into some artificial construct that wipes out their individual identities.

Well, we managed to do it this side of the pond, worked for the last 232, or so I'm told.

282 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:51:57pm

re: #275 loflyer

Mama Winger still talks to me, Ma Sands too. Plenty of creationists like me just fine.

283 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:52:10pm

re: #246 galloping granny

Nope, they definitely do not. Which is one of the reasons I chose science. Very little political crap in the sciences, as long as you avoid the whole global warming fiasco.

I wanted to avoid the over the top radicalism that is handcuffed to most political science studies (it's actually my strong suit, but I just could not imagine listening to that prattle any more than I should have to) so I chose philosophy.

284 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:52:48pm

re: #273 threecoloursblue

Nice to see that no-one here has a clue about the Irish and their reasons for voting against the Treaty!

Why don't you clue us in with a few links to boot!

285 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:52:50pm

re: #275 loflyer

You have creationist friends? How?

Some of are gluttons for punishment.

286 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:52:50pm

re: #258 missouri boy

Speaking about inflationary memories.....I hope most of you are aware of what the FED has been up too......cranking the printing press of US as fast as it can print.
IMHO...the price of gasoline is not caused by supply shortages...it is priced because of the number of dollars out there. M3 has been growng at a 17+% clip since '96.....Fed cheif Greenspan took M3 out of the inflation calculations, becaused it showed too much. The govments inflation # is a lie....it's much higher and going ever higher.

And it's a hard...

287 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:53:04pm

re: #281 JeremyR

Well, we managed to do it this side of the pond, worked for the last 232, or so I'm told.

In the old days, you checked your old cultural baggage at the door.

288 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:53:05pm

re: #278 opnion

Ok, Let me know when your drunk. I have a better one.

Urrrppp. ghoo ferrrittt!

289 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:53:20pm

re: #285 jcm

Some of are gluttons for punishment.

PIMF,
some of us....

290 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:53:30pm

re: #281 JeremyR

Well, we managed to do it this side of the pond, worked for the last 232, or so I'm told.

We should open up the ID Vs Evolution again. What could go wrong?

291 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:53:42pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout
Hmmmmm, why would I want to ding your link, that would appear to some as meaning I didn't like or approve of the news story you reported, which isn't true. Sometimes words work better than simply dinging down or up. And we're friends so it never occured to me to ding you down, just point out your (to me) flawed "quote".

Have a good night my friend and I hope I get the chance to see you down the road.

292 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:54:11pm

re: #273 threecoloursblue

Nice to see that no-one here has a clue about the Irish and their reasons for voting against the Treaty!

Well, speak up.

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:54:22pm

re: #290 opnion

We should open up the ID Vs Evolution again. What could go wrong?

Now, stop that! At least until I've had my next daiquiri...

294 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:54:39pm

re: #257 opnion


In hindsight I may tripped into the truth

And when the EU becomes omnipresent and omnipotent, then, to paraphrase Dylan:
A hard fall is gonna reign.

295 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:54:52pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Mama Winger still talks to me, Ma Sands too. Plenty of creationists like me just fine.

I like you.

I like you just fine may be a bit of a stretch. LOL :)

296 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:55:10pm

re: #291 realwest

It's ok, people are starting to agree with you in the comments.

297 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:55:40pm

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

A debate is not worth having when neither side can be convinced of the others' position.

298 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:55:48pm

re: #295 mama winger

I like you just fine may be a bit of a stretch. LOL :)


I was editorializing again.
;)

299 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:56:39pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

I'm just stirring the pot little and poking fun at my creationist friends.

Please no more ID threads I don't think I can handle it. It has become such a bore

300 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:56:55pm

re: #297 StPatrick

A debate is not worth having when neither side can be convinced of the others' position.

Oh, so true. I'd much rather find topics of common interest tonight.

301 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:57:18pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

I was editorializing again.
;)

How are your cats? Do they still do the wheel thing?

302 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:57:27pm

re: #299 BBev

I don't think we've seen the end of it.

303 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:57:42pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Mama Winger still talks to me, Ma Sands too. Plenty of creationists like me just fine.

These are really fine people with a high level of patience that many of us LGF'ers lack. My hats off to them! (I personally believe in evolution, with the option that the Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings! Creationism plus evolution! Bummer)

304 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:57:48pm

re: #252 USBeast

"Why did the Irishman give up waterskiing?

He couldn't find a lake with a slope on it."

(Told to me in a bar in Cork in 1977)

OH, come now, after a couple of Stout, every lake has a slope on it.

305 ironbill  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:57:50pm

ironbill signing out in 5...4...3...2...1 (out)

306 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:00pm

re: #300 goddessoftheclassroom

The Cubs rule. Agree or Disagree? Discuss.

/yes, it's a joke. Everybody knows they're awesome.

307 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:03pm

re: #299 BBev

Please no more ID threads I don't think I can handle it. It has become such a bore

Besides, we've settle it, the official LFG dogma is turtles all the way down.

308 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:04pm

re: #300 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, so true. I'd much rather find topics of common interest tonight.

I am waiting for threecoloursblue to post some educational material.

309 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:08pm

re: #288 VegasRick

Hey VegasRick, we're about to move your way. I can't wait to vote against Harry Reid. Will it be 2010?

310 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:31pm

re: #303 loflyer

These are really fine people with a high level of patience that many of us LGF'ers lack.

I get my patience from a jug.

311 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:58:40pm

So, I just heard that E D Hill was fired from Fox News for calling the Obama's ''fist bump,'' a ''terrorist fist jab,'' among other things.
How can one keep up on current black English?
Is there a web site?

312 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:02pm

re: #303 loflyer

These are really fine people with a high level of patience that many of us LGF'ers lack. My hats off to them! (I personally believe in evolution, with the option that the Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings! Creationism plus evolution! Bummer)

Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings!

Ahh, the alien one night stand on a backwater planet theory......

313 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:21pm

re: #307 jcm

I recognize the quote...where from? I know it was an older British lady, but little else.

314 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:29pm

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

Now, stop that! At least until I've had my next daiquiri...


That is a road better left untaveled. There is not enough liquor available in North America to make that discussion go well.

315 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:34pm

re: #306 StPatrick

The Cubs rule. Agree or Disagree? Discuss.

/yes, it's a joke. Everybody knows they're awesome.

YES YES YES ! And I am hopping mad because they aren't on TV tonight up by me. So I'll settle for radio. Except Santo isn't broadcasting tonight - not the same.

316 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:53pm

re: #280 StPatrick

Could make finding a job difficult - is home-schooling a viable option for college at this point? I would imagine employers would be skeptical.

I don't know...but I know Bill Bennett was working on putting one together. His K 12 homeschool curriculum is excellent.

317 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 4:59:56pm

re: #312 jcm

Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings!

Ahh, the alien one night stand on a backwater planet theory......

Pak Protectors!

318 akak  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:02pm

re: #290 opnion

We should open up the ID Vs Evolution again. What could go wrong?

And go back to the drawing board?

319 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:26pm

re: #301 mama winger

The cats are fine my older is pretty crazy and all the workmen in the house lately has been pretty stressful on her. She's happier than I am about the kitchen remodel being finished. Zoe still loves to run on the wheel, I took it down for a while to make room for kitchen stuff (stashed in the living room) but the wheel is back up and back in service.

320 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:27pm

re: #313 StPatrick

I recognize the quote...where from? I know it was an older British lady, but little else.

LOL!

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"[1]
321 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:28pm

re: #315 mama winger

I don't get them on the radio either, so don't be too upset.

322 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:33pm

re: #311 mean Gene

I don't think she was fired, was she? I just think her show was cancelled. They may have been doing that anyway - but she is still on FOX I believe.

323 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:37pm

re: #311 mean Gene

First smart thing fox has done in awhile, imo.

324 Lizard by the Bay  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:38pm

re: #311 mean Gene

So, I just heard that E D Hill was fired from Fox News for calling the Obama's ''fist bump,'' a ''terrorist fist jab,'' among other things.
How can one keep up on current black English?
Is there a web site?

It was a deeply stupid thing to say, along with that text banner calling Michelle his "baby-mama" (which would suggest that Obama's children are bastards). Fox News needs to weed out some bad apples before they start looking exactly like what the left thinks they look like.

325 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:41pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout
Well that's too bad - seriously. I'm not a creationist and was not trying to get folks to ding you down (or up for that matter) again, I was just criticizing the way in which you "quoted" that story.
We are friends, aren't we?
And yet you've had the temerity to disagree with me on matters before and I still like you! LOL!

326 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:00:53pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

That wheel is cool.

327 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:24pm

re: #314 opnion

That is a road better left untaveled. There is not enough liquor available in North America to make that discussion go well.

Oh, I completely agree, but if I have two more daiquiris, I won't care.

328 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:28pm

re: #321 StPatrick

I don't get them on the radio either, so don't be too upset.

You live outside the WGN range?

329 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:36pm

re: #312 jcm

Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings!

Ahh, the alien one night stand on a backwater planet theory......

I consider God to be an "advanced being"!

330 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:45pm

re: #327 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, I completely agree, but if I have two more daiquiris, I won't care.

I like the way you think, goddess.

331 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:52pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

I don't think we've seen the end of it.

What more is there to say on both sides? It has been posted to death!

332 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:01:56pm

re: #168 galloping granny

I found the most wonderful gardening stuff at target. Pretty little tool set and bag that even came with tiny gardening gloves. Lego. Real tiny baking dishes are always a hit. And of course I love to buy musical instruments. Especially drums. :)

I got my grandson in Israel a pizza baking set at BedBathandBeyond. It came with a little apron, rolling pin and everything for $5.00! That was a real bargain, now gotta find the same thing for the Canadian grandbabies.

333 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:02:03pm

re: #312 jcm

Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings!

Ahh, the alien one night stand on a backwater planet theory......


Yo, dats cause Earth chicks is easy

334 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:02:38pm

re: #325 realwest

We are friends, aren't we?


Of course. By the way, it's nice to see you around this time of day. I've been missing the early morning dead thread lately.

335 mean Gene  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:02:50pm

So many of Fox's shows are less (or more) than plain news I rarely pay attention to it except for Brit Hume and Chris Wallace.
Huckabee is coming on board.
How pulled to the right is that?

336 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:03:16pm

re: #318 akak

And go back to the drawing board?

I swear, I'm kidding Ok at least sober

337 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:03:34pm

re: #328 mama winger

NashVegas, mama. I'm at the mercy of WGN, Fox, and ESPN if I want to see a game, and no radio available at all, even when they play the Braves or Cards.

338 realwest  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:03:57pm

re: #315 mama winger
Ah {mama} but The Dog Whisperer is on right now
(Eastern time) and I'm off to watch it!

339 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:24pm

re: #335 mean Gene

Depends on which part of the right you're asking about. Fiscal? Not right. Social? Right.

340 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:25pm

re: #308 OldLineTexan

I am waiting for threecoloursblue to post some educational material.

Another drive by...

341 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:26pm

re: #287 OldLineTexan

In the old days, you checked your old cultural baggage at the door.

Ever been to Minnesota? The cultural bags are part of life and darn proud too. Many of the small towns that surrounded my home were ethnic as all get out, Germans, Dutch, Danes, Poles. Our summer festivals reflected our culture, and we relished the chance to show off and share. We confined our wars to the basketball court, and the football field.
Watch "The Happiest Millionaire" sometime. We ARE the melting pot of the world. The puzzle is WHY?
Why did German and French folk settle in towns little more then seven miles apart and become friends?
I some times think the reason it worked is because the Aristocrappic kind stayed in Europe.

342 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:41pm

re: #329 loflyer

I consider God to be an "advanced being"!

THE advance being.....
yep.

343 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:54pm

re: #332 Alouette

I got my grandson in Israel a pizza baking set at BedBathandBeyond. It came with a little apron, rolling pin and everything for $5.00! That was a real bargain, now gotta find the same thing for the Canadian grandbabies.

Uh, your grandson?

344 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:56pm

re: #284 loflyer

No offence, and I mean that, but I'm so fed up with the crap about this that I can't be bothered.
Added to which, the paper of record- The Irish Times - is by subscription which makes linking anything even halfway intelligent really difficult. However, believe me, all the " NO " campaign want is for the Government to re-negiotiate a " better deal for the Irish ". Given that much of the propaganda put out by the "NO's" is lies, there's little the Government can do. An example. The NO's say that there's going to be conscription to a EU army for their children! How can the Government get a new deal on something which doesn't exist in the first place. Irelands low corporate tax rate is guaranteed because any move towards tax harmonisation is protected by Irelands veto!
And so on and so on and so on.

345 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:58pm

re: #304 JeremyR

OH, come now, after a couple of Stout, every lake has a slope on it.

I'll no go boating with ye, lad.

346 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:04:59pm

re: #337 StPatrick

NashVegas, mama. I'm at the mercy of WGN, Fox, and ESPN if I want to see a game, and no radio available at all, even when they play the Braves or Cards.

That sucks. You need to move.

347 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:05:27pm

re: #331 BBev

There are lots of reasons it's a continuing topic. Bobby Jindal is a creationist and he's the Republicans best bet to beat Obama after his 1st term. Louisiana is getting ready to pass one of those "Academic Freedom" bills soon. It's an important topic.

348 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:05:40pm

re: #309 funky chicken

Hey VegasRick, we're about to move your way. I can't wait to vote against Harry Reid. Will it be 2010?

Yep. And a report came out today that says only about 40% of NV voters are happy with him (I know, I can't believe it's that high but it used to be much higher). He is gonna get beat in 2010.

349 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:05:42pm

re: #342 jcm

Like a "lightworker"?

350 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:05:52pm

re: #338 realwest

Ah {mama} but The Dog Whisperer is on right now
(Eastern time) and I'm off to watch it!

I've seen almost all of them a couple of times - but they never get old. He really has the touch.

351 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:06:00pm

re: #335 mean Gene

So many of Fox's shows are less (or more) than plain news I rarely pay attention to it except for Brit Hume and Chris Wallace.
Huckabee is coming on board.
How pulled to the right is that?

Perhaps he'll expose his left behind?

352 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:06:14pm

re: #341 JeremyR

Ever been to Minnesota? The cultural bags are part of life and darn proud too. Many of the small towns that surrounded my home were ethnic as all get out, Germans, Dutch, Danes, Poles. Our summer festivals reflected our culture, and we relished the chance to show off and share. We confined our wars to the basketball court, and the football field.
Watch "The Happiest Millionaire" sometime. We ARE the melting pot of the world. The puzzle is WHY?
Why did German and French folk settle in towns little more then seven miles apart and become friends?
I some times think the reason it worked is because the Aristocrappic kind stayed in Europe.

I assigned the book O Pioneers! by Willa Cather this year. It's not "action-packed" enough for my students' tastes, but I hope a feeling for our past took root.

353 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:06:50pm

re: #352 goddessoftheclassroom

I assigned the book O Pioneers! by Willa Cather this year. It's not "action-packed" enough for my students' tastes, but I hope a feeling for our past took root.

I love that book.

354 hermeneutics  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:06:59pm

re: #262 funky chicken

It's one reason I'm seriously considering doing home school college with my kids, letting them live at home, work part time in the field that they think interests them, etc.

The only problem with HS college is that college is more than an education -- its a parchment. That little degree will open doors for the rest of their lives ... even if they learned nothing.

Thus, the content of the education, sadly, is not the point of the education.

I'm homeschooling my boys until college (soon), BTW.

355 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:07:43pm

re: #354 hermeneutics

Yep. College is all about the paper. The learning ? Not so much.

Stupid system.

356 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:07:51pm

re: #347 Killgore Trout

It's frustrating that so many are still delighting the discovery institute in that they continue to think this is a discussion on God vs. No God, when in actuality, it's a discussion on scientific standards and the education of American children. Sigh.

357 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:08:01pm

re: #344 threecoloursblue

No offence, and I mean that, but I'm so fed up with the crap about this that I can't be bothered.
Added to which, the paper of record- The Irish Times - is by subscription which makes linking anything even halfway intelligent really difficult. However, believe me, all the " NO " campaign want is for the Government to re-negiotiate a " better deal for the Irish ". Given that much of the propaganda put out by the "NO's" is lies, there's little the Government can do. An example. The NO's say that there's going to be conscription to a EU army for their children! How can the Government get a new deal on something which doesn't exist in the first place. Irelands low corporate tax rate is guaranteed because any move towards tax harmonisation is protected by Irelands veto!
And so on and so on and so on.

Thanks for (finally) speaking up. We were wondering...

So are you a YES person?

358 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:08:10pm

re: #346 mama winger

Never...this place is too great. Low property taxes, no state income tax, nightlife, low crime, 2 repub Sens...it's not as bad as most northerners think; in fact, it's a great place to be.

359 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:08:35pm

re: #344 threecoloursblue

I take it, that you were hoping Ireland would approve the EU referendum?

360 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:08:49pm

re: #357 Capitalist Tool

Yes.

/sigh!

361 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:09:12pm

re: #341 JeremyR

Ever been to Minnesota? The cultural bags are part of life and darn proud too. Many of the small towns that surrounded my home were ethnic as all get out, Germans, Dutch, Danes, Poles. Our summer festivals reflected our culture, and we relished the chance to show off and share. We confined our wars to the basketball court, and the football field.
Watch "The Happiest Millionaire" sometime. We ARE the melting pot of the world. The puzzle is WHY?
Why did German and French folk settle in towns little more then seven miles apart and become friends?
I some times think the reason it worked is because the Aristocrappic kind stayed in Europe.

Texas is loaded with Germans, Mexicans, Czechs, etc.

The thousands of years of conflict and other cultural baggage (using the term wrong, maybe) were left on the boat/at the river, at least back when.

My people were from Ireland via Pennsylvania and Ohio, Kentucky (antecedents unknown), and direct imports to Texas from The Netherlands and the Austrio-Hungarian Empire (Czechs, Bohemians, Moravians). My paternal great-grandmother spoke VERY limited English, but her kids were sent to a school their parents built and funded.

It's not that they tossed their heritage, but they did lose the unnecessary conflicted parts.

362 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:09:31pm

re: #205 funky chicken

Look for these dolls:
[Link: www.onlyheartsclub.com...]

My granddaughter told me she wants an "American Girl Doll" which I have not been able to buy her because of the hideous expensiveness. There is also the "Gali Girl Doll" (Israeli) but I'm waiting for the Canadian Girl Doll.

363 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:09:37pm

re: #349 StPatrick

Like a "lightworker"?

The one true...

364 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:09:46pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

+1

365 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:09:56pm

re: #343 Capitalist Tool

Uh, your grandson?

I cook. You want the kid should starve?

/

366 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:03pm

re: #343 Capitalist Tool

Uh, your grandson?

Yeah!

367 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:10pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

Yes, there's lots of unnecessary baggage in the debate but that's the Disco Institute's goal.

368 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:18pm

re: #358 StPatrick

Never...this place is too great. Low property taxes, no state income tax, nightlife, low crime, 2 repub Sens...it's not as bad as most northerners think; in fact, it's a great place to be.

My daughter's best friend for 15 years goes to school at Belmont. She's lived in Nashville for about 6 years or so. We get down there every once in a while and visit her there, see some Belmont basketball, and take in the country bars. I love it down there.

369 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:32pm

re: #360 threecoloursblue

Yes.

/sigh!

Why? And make this logical and concise, please!

370 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:45pm

It's unclear if my dad's "Black Irish" family was actually Irish, or merely assimilated Cherokees trying not to get kicked off their lands. So even if I'm not in truth a daughter of Eire, I'm proud to be Irish.

371 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:10:46pm

re: #359 loflyer

Yes.


/sigh!

372 Shaky Louie  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:11:07pm

If Chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is his rainbow in the sky,
and when you hear

State of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Whites go Looting!
Bomb Blasts School!

It is but the sound of man worshiping his maker.

___Steve Turner

373 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:11:08pm

re: #345 USBeast

I'll no go boating with ye, lad.

Why not? we can save on gas by drinking stout, then orienting the boat how we want to go, and maybe just drag the pier with us.

374 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:11:36pm

re: #354 hermeneutics

The only problem with HS college is that college is more than an education -- its a parchment. That little degree will open doors for the rest of their lives ... even if they learned nothing.

Thus, the content of the education, sadly, is not the point of the education.

I'm homeschooling my boys until college (soon), BTW.

Yes and according to George Gilder, the "parchment" delineated the new "colored water fountain", and he makes a great deal of sense.

375 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:11:59pm

re: #354 hermeneutics

Yes, that's why I'm hoping Bill Bennett can get his thing together and get it accredited.

Highly recommend his K 12 curriculum. We tried it once, and the science was EXCELLENT--I have a Master's in Biochemistry, taught JR. High science with a partner with a degree in Geology, and was really impressed.

His history stuff is awesome...the kids loved it.

But we didn't start with homeschool, and it was a real strain on our family relationships, so back to school they went.

376 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:11:59pm

re: #370 RememberSekhmet?

It's unclear if my dad's "Black Irish" family was actually Irish, or merely assimilated Cherokees trying not to get kicked off their lands. So even if I'm not in truth a daughter of Eire, I'm proud to be Irish.

My son has a T-shirt that he wears constantly. It says "I'm Swedish, but I drink like I'm Irish".

:)

377 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:12:05pm

re: #352 goddessoftheclassroom

I assigned the book O Pioneers! by Willa Cather this year. It's not "action-packed" enough for my students' tastes, but I hope a feeling for our past took root.


I am not sure what level you teach. I know that you mentgioned it but I just forgot. Although it is fiction, James Michner's "Carribean"
Is the best primer on the entire New World that I have ever read.
He can be a tough read, but not this.

378 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:12:34pm

'Tis dinner time

going to BBQ some chicken & Sausages.
Abundance / to life

379 SummerSong  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:12:59pm

They haven't let you down Granddad Leahey

380 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:13:12pm

re: #378 Ojoe

'Tis dinner time

going to BBQ some chicken & Sausages.
Abundance / to life

I need to eat something too. Can you send food via email?

381 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:13:37pm

re: #365 OldLineTexan

I cook. You want the kid should starve?

/

A kid goes to a brothel to get some sex, while he's there he runs into his father. He says "Daaaaadddd?" The father says "what for $50, I should bother your mother".

382 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:13:53pm

re: #371 threecoloursblue

Yes.


/sigh!

I know the feeling, but what advantages does the EU offer for the Irish who are in unprecedented prosperity?

383 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:14:14pm

re: #362 Alouette

My granddaughter told me she wants an "American Girl Doll" which I have not been able to buy her because of the hideous expensiveness. There is also the "Gali Girl Doll" (Israeli) but I'm waiting for the Canadian Girl Doll.


Oh man , my wife used to get those for my daughter.
Crazy expensive & the dolls have dolls. Seriously.

384 hermeneutics  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:14:17pm

re: #355 mama winger

Yep. College is all about the paper. The learning ? Not so much.

Stupid system.

The solution would be to test kids AFTER college, such as a GRE test. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Suddenly professors would be held to standards as are high school teachers with national testing. In the humanities/social sciences, though, the tests would be so biased that they'd be, essentially, useless. (The US History exam for high school kids is already biased in this way. A college exam would be more of the same.)

They'd whine and scream ... and then teach.

Also, the Rate-your-professor website is hilarious. Profs hate it. Transparency hurts.

385 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:14:25pm

re: #377 opnion

I am not sure what level you teach. I know that you mentgioned it but I just forgot. Although it is fiction, James Michner's "Carribean"
Is the best primer on the entire New World that I have ever read.
He can be a tough read, but not this.

I teach 9th grade. I'll check out your suggestion!

386 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:06pm

re: #366 Alouette

Yeah!

Here's the deal: (and OldLineTexan, I cook, too, and so do most men)
Can't tell me that there aren't innate sex differences between little kiddies and that their preferences are learned... all the little boys go straight for the guns and cars and monsters aisle at the toy store and the little girls head straight for the pink aisles and the little bake and mommy kits.

387 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:21pm

re: #381 VegasRick

A kid goes to a brothel to get some sex, while he's there he runs into his father. He says "Daaaaadddd?" The father says "what for $50, I should bother your mother".


Uh huh, & you didn't like my joke?

388 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:38pm

re: #376 mama winger

I'm told (by a great uncle known to tell stories, so get out the salt shaker) that Black Irish actually refers to the darker skinned, dark-haired, brown-eyed Irish (my father and I included). Supposedly, they still carry the genes from Moorish invasion, but I have my doubts and don't care to fact check.

389 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:41pm

re: #362 Alouette

The only hearts club dolls aren't pricey, like $15 or so. They are lovely and each one comes with a cute little pet.

The American Girl dolls are a rip off, IMHO.

390 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:42pm

re: #384 hermeneutics

The solution would be to test kids AFTER college, such as a GRE test. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Suddenly professors would be held to standards as are high school teachers with national testing. In the humanities/social sciences, though, the tests would be so biased that they'd be, essentially, useless. (The US History exam for high school kids is already biased in this way. A college exam would be more of the same.)

They'd whine and scream ... and then teach.

Also, the Rate-your-professor website is hilarious. Profs hate it. Transparency hurts.

I love RateMyTeacher--then again, I would, wouldn't I? :)

391 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:52pm

re: #387 opnion

Uh huh, & you didn't like my joke?

I'm drinker now!

392 hermeneutics  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:15:55pm

re: #374 Capitalist Tool

Yes and according to George Gilder, the "parchment" delineated the new "colored water fountain", and he makes a great deal of sense.

Ahhhh, a Reagan-era hero! Love that Gilder.

393 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:16:10pm

re: #303 loflyer

These are really fine people with a high level of patience that many of us LGF'ers lack. My hats off to them! (I personally believe in evolution, with the option that the Earth may have been seeded with life from advanced beings! Creationism plus evolution! Bummer)

Yep...
We may all be space aliens

394 hermeneutics  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:16:25pm

re: #390 goddessoftheclassroom

I love RateMyTeacher--then again, I would, wouldn't I? :)

You should love it for you're the Goddess!

395 guzziguy  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:16:47pm

Lucas Smoke Replacement Kit

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Have you inadvertently let the smoke out of the wires on your classic British car? This, then, is the solution to your problem

Here is presented for your perusal one Lucas Replacement Wiring Harness Smoke kit, P/N 530433, along with the very rare Churchill Tool 18G548BS adapter tube and metering valve. These kits were supplied surreptitiously to Lucas factory technicians as a trouble-shooting and repair aid for the rectification of chronic electrical problems on a plethora of British cars. The smoke is metered, through the fuse box, into the circuit which has released it's original smoke until the leak is located and repaired. The affected circuit is then rectified and the replacement smoke re-introduced. An advantage over the cheap repro smoke kits currently available is the exceptionally rare Churchill metering valve and fuse box adapter. It enables the intrepid and highly skilled British Car Technician to meter the precise amount of genuine Lucas smoke required by the circuit.

Unlike the cheap, far-eastern replacement DIYsmoke offered by the "usual suppliers", this kit includes a filter to ensure that all the smoke is of consistent size, It has been our experience in our shop that the reproduction Taiwanese smoke is often "lumpy", which will cause excessive resistance in our finely-engineered British harnesses and components. This is often the cause of failure in the repro electrical parts currently available, causing much consternation and misplaced cursing of the big three suppliers.

These kits have long been the secret weapon of the "Ultimate Authorities" in the trade, and this may be the last one available. Be forewarned, though, that it is not applicable to any British vehicle built after the discontinuing of bullet connectors, so you Range Rover types are still on your own...

This Genuine Factory Authorized kit contains enough smoke to recharge the entire window circuit on a 420 Jaguar, and my dear friend and advisor George Wolf of British Auto Specialty assures me that he can replace ALL the smoke in a W&F Barrett All-Weather Invalid Car(147 CC) with enough left over to test a whole box of Wind-Tone horns for escaped smoke. How much more of an endorsement do you need?

More, you say? Well, I once let the smoke out of the overdrive wiring on my friend Roger Hankey's TR3B, and was able to drive over 200 miles home from The Roadster Factory Summer Party by carefully introducing smoke into the failed circuit WITHOUT even properly repairing the leak. Another friend, Richard Stephenson, was able to repair the cooling fan circuit of his Series 1 E-type by merely replacing a fuse and injecting a small quantity of smoke back into the wires. So there!

396 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:16:59pm

re: #347 Killgore Trout

There are lots of reasons it's a continuing topic. Bobby Jindal is a creationist and he's the Republicans best bet to beat Obama after his 1st term. Louisiana is getting ready to pass one of those "Academic Freedom" bills soon. It's an important topic.

Ya I understand but it just goes down the hole so fast and we end up loosing people like Song and Dance Man, It is just so tiring.

397 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:01pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

"disco institute"- lol. Burn, Baby, burn.

398 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:11pm

re: #388 StPatrick

I'm told (by a great uncle known to tell stories, so get out the salt shaker) that Black Irish actually refers to the darker skinned, dark-haired, brown-eyed Irish (my father and I included). Supposedly, they still carry the genes from Moorish invasion, but I have my doubts and don't care to fact check.

Now I understood that "Black Irish" referred to the black hair/blue eyed Irish who were descendants of Spanish pirates?

/swooning at the thought.l..

399 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:18pm

re: #385 goddessoftheclassroom

I teach 9th grade. I'll check out your suggestion!


I hate it when people recommend overboard, but I think that your students would really like it & learn a lot. The characters are fiction , but it is all in historical context.

400 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:20pm

re: #369 loflyer

Because the treaty was an attempt to make the running of an orginisation of 27 member states more efficient. Why? Because the mechanisms in place are the same ones that were put in place to run an EU of 12 states.
In other words, it was about the sausage machine; not the sausage.
But along came the whackos with their scaremongering stories about abortion, gay marriage, EU armies, etc etc.
The list of anti's included such luminaries as:-
J-M Le Pen.
Vote no to an EU army which will aid Israel( put forward by the Ireland-Palestinian Friendship Society.
The Socialist Workers Party.

and so on and so on.

401 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:25pm

re: #361 OldLineTexan


It's not that they tossed their heritage, but they did lose the unnecessary conflicted parts.

And so it is with Europe. Saddly, their blessed union is a beast without a leash. Once it has power, it will destroy them as surely as Anything. (I decided to leave off a certain obvious comparison.)
European harmony has been working since we stuck arround to maintain the peace. Had we packed up like we did after WW1, It would still be a bitter cesspool. For part of it we can thank the USSR. They did nothing good, but their evil presence created enough fear that even the Fwench socialists quaked.
There is hope for Europe, the EEEW aint it. I sometimes wonder if it is the beast spoken of in Revelation with the horns and the withered horn.

402 jcm  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:17:44pm

re: #377 opnion

I am not sure what level you teach. I know that you mentgioned it but I just forgot. Although it is fiction, James Michner's "Carribean"
Is the best primer on the entire New World that I have ever read.
He can be a tough read, but not this.

His the The Source, is pretty good on the Mid-east also.

403 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:18:14pm

re: #396 BBev

Ya I understand but it just goes down the hole so fast and we end up loosing people like Song and Dance Man, It is just so tiring.

What happened to Song and Dance Man?

404 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:18:22pm

re: #382 loflyer

MORE UNPRECEDENTED PROSPERITY.

405 USBeast  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:18:33pm

re: #373 JeremyR

Why not? we can save on gas by drinking stout, then orienting the boat how we want to go, and maybe just drag the pier with us.

So let me see if I have heard ye right: Ye want me to get gassed on stout and take the boat to the Orient with a peer in drag?

Yer no to be trusted.

406 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:04pm

BBIAM--I'm going to make myself just one more frozen strawberry daiquiri..

407 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:05pm

re: #352 goddessoftheclassroom

I assigned the book O Pioneers! by Willa Cather this year. It's not "action-packed" enough for my students' tastes, but I hope a feeling for our past took root.

I hope so too. Failure to learn is a guarantee of repeating failure.

408 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:07pm

re: #386 Capitalist Tool

Here's the deal: (and OldLineTexan, I cook, too, and so do most men)
Can't tell me that there aren't innate sex differences between little kiddies and that their preferences are learned... all the little boys go straight for the guns and cars and monsters aisle at the toy store and the little girls head straight for the pink aisles and the little bake and mommy kits.

Sure, I never pressed that sex role stuff. Of course, with four girls in the front of the line, there wasn't much chance. And I bought the boy GI Joes, etc., not dance costumes. But we had a lot of stuff for the girls like trains, etc.

I just don't see a pizza chef kit from Grandma as being odd.

409 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:12pm

re: #403 VegasRick

Decided to be rude to his host.

410 sadhu  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:30pm

6.9 quake Japan
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

411 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:37pm

re: #388 StPatrick

I'm told (by a great uncle known to tell stories, so get out the salt shaker) that Black Irish actually refers to the darker skinned, dark-haired, brown-eyed Irish (my father and I included). Supposedly, they still carry the genes from Moorish invasion, but I have my doubts and don't care to fact check.

My mother was black Irish with blue eyes. The story was that it was due tio the break up of the Spanish Armada off of the Irish Coast.
You know, they swam ashore

412 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:19:42pm

OT -

My best buy at garage sales today :

A set of Calphalon Cookware, barely used, for $40 . Retails new for hundreds more .

I am so proud of my cheap self. :)

413 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:12pm

re: #383 opnion

Oh man , my wife used to get those for my daughter.
Crazy expensive & the dolls have dolls. Seriously.

Yeah, but they still don't have a "Canadian Girl." Heh. Now I have 3 Canadian granddaughters, how much longer can I use that excuse?

414 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:13pm

re: #409 Sharmuta

Decided to be rude to his host.

Damn.

415 BBev  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:17pm

re: #403 VegasRick

What happened to Song and Dance Man?

It's an ID thing.

416 StPatrick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:19pm

re: #398 goddessoftheclassroom

There is no stronger thread in the Irish tradition than telling stories, and I like yours better, esp. if there were green-eyed pirates. It sure as hell beats Moorish invaders.

/Yaarrr!

417 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:26pm

re: #402 jcm

His the The Source, is pretty good on the Mid-east also.

Well researched author.

418 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:35pm

re: #406 goddessoftheclassroom

BBIAM--I'm going to make myself just one more frozen strawberry daiquiri..

You go girl.

I'm too old to talk like that, aren't I?

419 DesertSage  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:41pm

Oh goody, I see sissy boy took his vitamins today and is acting like an asshole again.

Let's clear this up right now. I want a show of hands of all you LGF'rs who don't believe in science as Trout suggests.

Come on...let's see those hands. No one? This can't be correct.
How 'bout you, yeah you in the corner, the guy with the Jesus Saves sticker on his backpack. Surely you don't believe in science as that Trout suggests? What's that, you're a Nuclear Physicist?

Hmmm....could it be that Trout is full of shit?

420 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:46pm

re: #411 opnion

THEY SWAM ASHORE BUT WERE BUTCHERED BY THE O'BRIANS.

421 loflyer  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:20:51pm

re: #393 solomonpanting

Yep...
We may all be space aliens

Veery interesting!

/channeling Maxwell Smart!

422 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:03pm

re: #405 USBeast

So let me see if I have heard ye right: Ye want me to get gassed on stout and take the boat to the Orient with a peer in drag?

Yer no to be trusted.

When we get there, we can drink sake instead of stout.

423 opnion  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:16pm

re: #413 Alouette

Yeah, but they still don't have a "Canadian Girl." Heh. Now I have 3 Canadian granddaughters, how much longer can I use that excuse?


Just until they see through it. Brace yourself

424 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:30pm

re: #388 StPatrick

I'm told (by a great uncle known to tell stories, so get out the salt shaker) that Black Irish actually refers to the darker skinned, dark-haired, brown-eyed Irish (my father and I included). Supposedly, they still carry the genes from Moorish invasion, but I have my doubts and don't care to fact check.

The Black Irish are descendents of shipwrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.

425 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:31pm

re: #415 BBev

It's an ID thing.

I learned to steer clear of those threads.

426 freetoken  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:43pm

re: #403 VegasRick

.... exited stage right....

427 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:21:53pm

re: #388 StPatrick

I'm told (by a great uncle known to tell stories, so get out the salt shaker) that Black Irish actually refers to the darker skinned, dark-haired, brown-eyed Irish (my father and I included). Supposedly, they still carry the genes from Moorish invasion, but I have my doubts and don't care to fact check.

The way I heard it, it was from an influx of Spanish survivors from the Armada, but apparently that story was created, or perhaps evolved.

428 hermeneutics  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #407 JeremyR

I hope so too. Failure to learn is a guarantee of repeating failure.

Goddess, Would you consider My Antonia for your students?

I contentedly read that book the summer after eighth grade. Nice memory.

429 JeremyR  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:22:36pm

re: #408 OldLineTexan

Sure, I never pressed that sex role stuff. Of course, with four girls in the front of the line, there wasn't much chance. And I bought the boy GI Joes, etc., not dance costumes. But we had a lot of stuff for the girls like trains, etc.

I just don't see a pizza chef kit from Grandma as being odd.

Just be glad you weren't poor. Your son would have hated you for the hand me downs.

430 Alouette  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:22:39pm

re: #408 OldLineTexan

I just don't see a pizza chef kit from Grandma as being odd.

Actually I bought the pizza set for my granddaughter but my grandson saw it first and my daughter gave it to him to avoid a tantrum.

431 mama winger  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:22:40pm

re: #419 DesertSage

I'm no Nuclear Physicist, but I did stay at a Holy Day Inn last night.

432 Charles  Fri, Jun 13, 2008 5:23:02pm

re: #419 DesertSage

Oh goody, I see sissy boy took his vitamins today and is acting like an asshole again.

Let's clear this up right now. I want a show of hands of all you LGF'rs who don't believe in science as Trout suggests.

Come on...let's see those hands. No one? This can't be correct.
How 'bout you, yeah you in the corner, the guy with the Jesus Saves sticker on his backpack. Surely you don't believe in science as that Trout suggests? What's that, you're a Nuclear Physicist?

Hmmm....could it be that Trout is full of shit?

This is way over the top, and completely unacceptable. If you don't knock off this kind of stuff, you're going to lose your account.