What color is the sky in his world?

Oh, that William F. Buckley were still around.

Oh, For cryin' out loud... Like, McCain was somewhere else whilst HanoiJane was really and truly there, right?

Lynne Stewart! Isn't she the one who passed messages to and from prison for terrorists?

re: #4 FQ Kafir

Yup.

Is that POS related to that moonbat hair guy vidal sassoon?

Mark Leno? Howard Zinn? These people discredit the whole endeavor (if there was ever anything to give credit to).

Are ya serious? Facts don't matter where feelings will do?
He's just desperately trying to be relevant. Lets just ignore him.

The Discarded Lies crackheads are talking about starting up the sock puppet posts again, by the way.

re: #4 FQ Kafir

Lynne Stewart! Isn't she the one who passed messages to and from prison for terrorists?

Yeah and George Abourzak. Wow a complete ship of fools.

Wow...just...wow.

I love how people on the Left are so full of logic and reason.

Gore who?

"Acid. It's gotta be... Acid. Don't do it, kids."

/Reno 911

Gore Vidal makes the average moonbat look sane and reasonable.

A far Left crazy who's not an Obama friend/adviser?

Is that even possible?

A century is a flash in the pan compared to the millennium we need to undo the damages caused by idiot liberal savants (double redundancy I know) such as Vidal and his ilk.

Lets lock this Vidal loser and his ilk up in McCain's old cell for 10 years to prove him he was there and what he went through!

He should've listened to Nancy Reagan.

/egg frying in a pan

re: #9 Charles

The Discarded Lies crackheads are talking about starting up the sock puppet posts again, by the way.

Can I make a 'Discarded Sockpuppet?'

re: #14 Opinionated

A far Left crazy who's not an Obama friend/adviser?

Is that even possible?

How do we know that he isn't on the short list for VP?

re: #9 Charles

Oh, good. GameyTrollButt. It's what's for Lunch!

Today I can proudly say...
I never read one of the twerps books.

re: #6 'Nam Grunt

Is that POS related to that moonbat hair guy vidal sassoon?

No.
Vidal Sassoon makes a pretty good shampoo
and is far more sane.

(Not saying much, mind you!)

Advisory Board:

James Abourezk, former U.S. Senator, South Dakota
Rosemary Candelario, pro-choice activist
Warren Hern MD, Physician and pro-choice activist
Mark Leno, CA State Assembly
Mark Crispin Miller, professor & writer
Tomas Olmos, attorney
Boots Riley, hip hop performer
Lynne Stewart, attorney
Gore Vidal, writer
Sunsara Taylor, writer
Howard Zinn, historian

Charles, I don't know a soul on this list and I have only vaguely heard of Gore Vidal. SHould I do some research on these folks or not waste anymore of my precious time?

The prevaricating left wing writer Vidal, (first name Gore) possessor of many predilections, and a false sense of intellect, has little understanding of the planet upon which he stands and even less knowledge if his position in relation to wisdom and truth. But few care, as history reveals the true insignificance of his life's works and the magnitude of his mendaciousness.

re: #9 Charles

The Discarded Lies crackheads are talking about starting up the sock puppet posts again, by the way.

Maybe we could get an Ibrahim the goes to XI...

/Just sayin'

I think that we might want to take the words of Vidal seriously; after all, he invented "Sasooning".

re: #21 jcm

Did he write Gore?

Sure are a lot of protest on Bushes tour of europe. Been a lot of headlines on the major news. What a moron that Vidal is but what you expect

"We live in a dictatorship. We have a fascist government ...which controls the media,'' he said

And Americans can't detect this guy as being bat crazy?

Guess that since W.F. Buckley died, Vidal has totally jumped the shark.

-S-

re: #21 jcm

Today I can proudly say...
I never read one of the twerps books.

You didn't miss a thing.

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Charles, I don't know a soul on this list and I have only vaguely heard of Gore Vidal. SHould I do some research on these folks or not waste anymore of my precious time?

Life is too short to inflict these fools upon you consciousness if you are blissfully unaware of them. Understand they are a rogues gallery of the far left.

re: #22 wolfie

Okey dokie!

Yep, keep Vidal out front and center and please let him endorse Barack. Make him the campaign's spokesperson. I am sure that Vidal went tooth and nail to call Kerry a war hero, when all we have is Kerry's self reporting. I am sure Vidal believed Kerry's Genghis Khan (you say Genghis, I say ghenghis, let's call the whole war off) Winter Soldier's perjury as gospel, even though no one else verified it. Oh and Christmas in Cambodia, bet Vidal still believes that whopper.
Vidal had his arse handed to him by the late great Buckley and hasn't recovered since.

re: #33 coquimbojoe

Thank you. I shall think of them no more.

The world can't wait advisory board looks a lot like the cast in the star wars bar scene.

Lynn stewart being chewbacca

Thanks for the link, Charles.

Alright, company has arrived. Time to hit the pool.

Speaking of crazy... who let him pose for this one, the same media person who got Dukakis into a helmet and tanked his campaign?

[Link: hotair.cachefly.net...]

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Advisory Board:
James Abourezk, former U.S. Senator, South Dakota
Rosemary Candelario, pro-choice activist
Warren Hern MD, Physician and pro-choice activist
Mark Leno, CA State Assembly
Mark Crispin Miller, professor & writer
Tomas Olmos, attorney
Boots Riley, hip hop performer
Lynne Stewart, attorney
Gore Vidal, writer
Sunsara Taylor, writer
Howard Zinn, historian

Charles, I don't know a soul on this list and I have only vaguely heard of Gore Vidal. SHould I do some research on these folks or not waste anymore of my precious time?

Lynne Stewart defend terrorist and passed communications between other terrorists and the accused.

Howard Zinn wrote A Peoples History of the United States popular text in American High Schools, as you can guess from the title a big time socialist.

re: #18 coquimbojoe
I went there the other day. It is a cute site but there are only like 8 posters who just talk among themselves. Its more like a little social club than anything else and they would notice a new person.

re: #35 eaglewingz08

Vidal had his arse handed to him by the late great Buckley and hasn't recovered since.

I'd like to see a rerun of that - discussion...

re: #40 jcm

LYNNE STEWART?
Sorry for screaming, but are you freaking kidding?
The radical/terrorist-defending-plot-aiding lawyer who went to the slammer?

re: #31 Dr. Shalit

Guess that since W.F. Buckley died, Vidal has totally jumped the shark.

-S-

Naw. He's been seriously unhinged since the seventies.
He's also been calling the US a fascist dictatorship since then.
They never get tired of it, do they?

One of the commenters asked a question about who Gore Vidal was related to. No, not Vidal Sassoon. The Goracle Himself, Al Gore, is a cousin of Gore Vidal. Vidal was given his first name to honor his maternal side family.

re: #37 Shug

The world can't wait advisory board looks a lot like the cast in the star wars bar scene.

Lynn stewart being chewbacca

Don't insult Chewie like that. Han will be pissed.

If what Vidal said were true... his traitorous ass would be in Gitmo within twelve hours.

Start the countdown.

re: #42 Cap'n DOC

I'd like to see a rerun of that - discussion...

Here's a taste (gotta love YouTube sometimes!)

re: #43 coquimbojoe

She's a great kisser, so she's got that going for her. Her whiskers are downy soft!

BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH!

CHARLES, that is one of the most disgusting comments on LFG EVER!
DOOO SOMETHING!

;-)

This guy should be put out to pasture with Carter.

re: #44 tradewind

LYNNE STEWART?
Sorry for screaming, but are you freaking kidding?
The radical/terrorist-defending-plot-aiding lawyer who went to the slammer?

Nope...

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

You could start by Googling "Sunsara Taylor", WCW's cofounder. She's a member of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party and a writer for their paper. Her very presence pretty much tells you what WCW's real agenda is.

It really must suck to be these losers, and I don't care how much money they have.
To go through life seeing all these nonexistent conspiracies, thinking that GWB is the dumbest man in the world, yet accusing him of doing things that would make him an evil genius of the highest order in their warped minds is truly mind-boggling.

re: #37 Shug
I dinged you up but wish I could take it back. Don't go dissing Chewy. That stewart b1tch is no Chewbacca.

So if America is a dictatorship that controls the media. What are Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Cuba, North Korea, China, Vietnam, Russia, Zimbabwe and the majority of African nations?

Are they just SUPER dictatorships or are they actual role-models for what America should be? What the hell does Gore think about the rest of the world when he's so cynical and blinded by hatred that he thinks THIS country, a country where I can actually spout blood libel against the leader of the executive brance with no ill-effect to myself, is a dictatorship?

“The president behaved like a virtual criminal..."

Ya see, in the world of Vidal, Pelosi, etc, admitting to being a conservative is grounds for arrest. Let liberals run things and their version of a prisoner swap is to free the terrorists and lock up the elected Republicans conservatives.

re: #44 tradewind

LYNNE STEWART?
Sorry for screaming, but are you freaking kidding?
The radical/terrorist-defending-plot-aiding lawyer who went to the slammer?

And she's fat and butt-ugly to boot.

re: #53 mikalm

You could start by Googling "Sunsara Taylor", WCW's cofounder. She's a member of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party and a writer for their paper. Her very presence pretty much tells you what WCW's real agenda is.

World Championship Wrestling?

Gore Vidal and his socialist/communist comrades accuse Bush and company of the misdeeds that they would have done were they in Bush's place. Somehow missing the obvious point that if they themselves were in power they would arrest anyone who, well made the kind of accusations that they are making.

The blatantly obvious fact that they make such statements and are not arrested or censored truly defines exactly how vile and evil people like Gore Vidal are. They know full well that their words are lies and that weak minded useful idiots will lap them up unable to discern the blatantly obvious truth.

re: #6 'Nam Grunt

Is that POS related to that moonbat hair guy vidal sassoon?

* * *
He's related to the Kennedys! I'll look it up, but he's an old, wheezy CAMEL-ot image polisher.

Oh, Happy Flag Day Dear Nam and thank you for serving that for which it stands, unlike the slimey Gorey Vidal!

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah. I never could grasp how Bush could simultaneously be the dumbest guy on earth and yet the mastermind of intricate, sophisticated conspiracies!
But who cares about logic?

That's what I get for skimming... I thought at first (hoped?) that Stewart was on an Obama advisory committee.
Dammit.
Well, maybe someone equally unhinged will show up there before the scrubbers get through.

What are all the moonbats like those at WCW going to do on Jan 21, 2009? All their plans and actions, their petitions and demonstrations, all for naught.

It is like someone who spent 8 years studying the mating habits of the Blue Poison Dart Frog, was about to publish a revolutionary paper, then died from touching one. Or realized that it was a different type of frog..

re: #58 Bob in Breckenridge

And she's fat and butt-ugly to boot.

I don't know Joe seems to have a crush...
re: #43 coquimbojoe

She's a great kisser, so she's got that going for her. Her whiskers are downy soft!

;-P
*ducks and runs*

re: #60 DeathtotheSwiss

It might as well be.

re: #45 wolfie

Wolfie -

Guess R.W. Reagan had it right with "...There they Go Again..."

-S-

re: #65 William Teach

I'm getting really pessimistic about this election...
It's the media, and they want Obama big time.
Now I'm even sorrier that Russert has died... he may have been a D at heart, but he would have held Ob's feet to the interview fire... a situation where Barry does not do well.

re: #9 Charles

Why?

The older they get, the crazier they get.re: #55 newsjunkie_ky

I dinged you up but wish I could take it back. Don't go dissing Chewy. That stewart b1tch is no Chewbacca.

Chewbacca (Peter Mayhew) makes his home in our neck of the woods now (Granbury, Texas). He became an American citizen in 2005.

BTW, if you want to see how smart Sunsara Taylor is, watch her get destroyed by Bill O'Reilly, who went easy, and Laura Ingraham.

nothing more pathetic than a decrepit silly old fool trying to be relevant.

James Abourezk, is a total jackass from way back.
He's also been big in the ADL Arab Defense League USA. His Parents were from Lebanon and really cool so where his brothers, but Jim was just a screwed up and twisted dick.

re: #56 DeathtotheSwiss

You just don't understand. The fascist American capitalists have imposed their hegemony on these countries and sucked out all their resources. This is why the people in those countries are poor and thus easily swayed by any politico or imam who promises to deliver them from their misery. Some of these leaders are frauds, of course, but some of them really are pure souls dedicated to ending the oppression of the masses. You can always identify the latter by their virulent anti-Americanism. Makes sense, because America is, after all, the source of all world problems.
Got that?

///

re: #76 wolfie

Now I get it. Let's hold hands and start diaries on KOS!

Poor old crazy sodomite dinosaur.
Gore is a leftover from a time when wacko anti-American pseudo-intellectualism was just the coolest thing.
Ironically, he's exactly the kind of crazy pervert who'd be among the first to be stoned, shot, or have his head sawed off once his friends from Al Qaeda achieve the victory he's trying so hard to give them.
Of course Al Qaeda is only his current favorite cause. Back in his heyday it would've been the Viet Cong, the Soviets, the communist Chinese, the Sandinistas, the Shining Path, the Red Brigade, the Khmer Rouge, Castro, Che, Allende, Khadaffi... pretty much anybody regardless of ideology as long as it was an enemy of America.

re: #65 William Teach

What are all the moonbats like those at WCW going to do on Jan 21, 2009? All their plans and actions, their petitions and demonstrations, all for naught.

It is like someone who spent 8 years studying the mating habits of the Blue Poison Dart Frog, was about to publish a revolutionary paper, then died from touching one. Or realized that it was a different type of frog..

No problem.
They'll just move on to the next great cause.
The possibilities for "progressive" whining are endless!

re: #77 DeathtotheSwiss

Now I get it. Let's hold hands and start diaries on KOS!

LOL ! Yikes!

Cool. Another hat tip. They aren't easy to get these days, with the all-seeing intelligence apparatus of the lizardoid host likely to spot anything significant as soon as it appears.

As for Vidal, his bedraggled person is almost a flesh and blood repository, a supreme nexus, for every kind of moonbattery, sedition, and pop-left idiocy invented during the past 50 years. He is a walking, talking (barely) summation of everything wrong with what passes for the cultural elite these days.

Mr. Veedle, meet Mr. Carter. The room has been padded for your convenience.

re: #78 damnyanqui

You bet!
Vidal hasn't had a new thing to say since 1968!

But that doesn't stop him from wanting attention.
Desperately.

Gore Vidal is not a blood relative of the Kennedy family. Jackie Bouvier Kennedy and Gore Vidal had the same step-father, Hugh Auchincloss.

Eugene Luther Gore Vidal and Albert Arnold Gore Jr. are distant cousins, something like fourth cousins.

Sorry if this has been posted already, but fuck Gore Vidal.

re: #84 mefolkes

Gore Vidal is not a blood relative of the Kennedy family. Jackie Bouvier Kennedy and Gore Vidal had the same step-father, Hugh Auchincloss.

Eugene Luther Gore Vidal and Albert Arnold Gore Jr. are distant cousins, something like fourth cousins.

Yes. As I recall...too lazy to look it up...Vidal's mother, Nina Gore, was the daughter of a Senator Gore from Oklahoma. The Okla and Tenn Gores are related, as you say, but not that closely.

The only icon crazier than Vidal was probably Hunter S. Thompson, who was a great deal more talented. Vidal certainly lacks the self-awareness to shoot himself.

re: #84 mefolkes

Gore Vidal is not a blood relative of the Kennedy family. Jackie Bouvier Kennedy and Gore Vidal had the same step-father, Hugh Auchincloss.

Eugene Luther Gore Vidal and Albert Arnold Gore Jr. are distant cousins, something like fourth cousins.

* * *
From wikipedia: Gore Vidal is also related to JIMMY CARTER!

Blech!

re: #85 ROP?LOL

Sorry if this has been posted already, but fuck Gore Vidal.

It bears repeating, I think.

Some people should be allowed to talk themselves into irrelevance.

Now about the missing strawberries Captain Queeq Mr. Vidal?

Is he talking about Buxh or Reagan? I can't tell..
/same socialist crap, different decade

"Ronald Reagan is a triumph of the embalmer's art."
-Gore Vidal

"When Ronald Reagan's career in show business came to an end, he was hired to impersonate, first, a California governor and then an American president who would reduce taxes for his employers, the Southern and Western New Rich, much of whose money came from the defence industries. There is nothing unusual about this arrangement. All recent presidents have had their price-tags."
-Gore Vidal

"There is no human problem which could not be solved if people would simply do as I advise."
-Gore Vidal

re: #51 vagabond trader

This guy should be put out to pasture with Carter.

* * *
Carter and GoreVidal are relatives, according to the Gore Vidal entry on wikipedia.

Oops, some sources say that the relationship between Gore Vidal and Al Gore has not been proven. That's okay. Some of my relatives don't want to claim me either.

re: #84 mefolkes

The extended Kennedy-Bouvier clan had some rather colorful members.

re: #88 alegrias

* * *
From wikipedia: Gore Vidal is also related to JIMMY CARTER!

Blech!

I never knew that!
They certainly share certain...ahem...feelings about the Jews.

Vidal was making snide and awful comments about Israel long before such things were thoroughly acceptable on the left. I guess in that we could call him ahead of the curve...I mean the 1960's curve!

re: #2 MandyManners

Oh, that William F. Buckley were still around.

My first thought too.

re: #95 ploome hineni

he must be getting bored with the boys in Casabanca

Naughty ploomie! :D

re: #58 Bob in Breckenridge

And she's fat and butt-ugly to boot.

Shave this one and send her to my bunker---Arte Johnson Laugh-In

Gore Vidal was born at the West Point Army hospital--thanks a lot, US Army, on your Army birthday we learn this creep disparages the country of his birth while talking to Spanish newspaper El Mundo.

A fascist country would revoke his passport.

re: #97 I_Invented_Al_Gore

You need to change your nic to: I INVENTED AL GORE BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF I'LL BE BLAMED FOR GORE VIDAL !

re: #87 shiplord kirel

By the time HST checked out, I'd lost a lot of respect for him. Not only did he have a terminal case of BDS, but he'd essentially been writing the same doom-mongering, Chicken-Little nonsense for three decades.

When he shot himself, what little regard I had left evaporated. If he was in that much physical and psychological pain, why didn't he just go out to the woods away from his house, call the Sheriff's to alert them, and then plug himself where his family wouldn't have to see and hear it, and deal with his corpse? IMHO, It was the final act of someone with a terminal case of malignant narcissism.

re: #74 nyc redneck

nothing more pathetic than a decrepit silly old fool trying to be relevant.

Jimmy Carter comes to mind in this context as well.

Well...Vidal sure does have a lot of credibility,now doesn't he?
/"isn't he special with the first name of 'Gore'..."

re: #102 mikalm

By the time HST checked out, I'd lost a lot of respect for him. Not only did he have a terminal case of BDS, but he'd essentially been writing the same doom-mongering, Chicken-Little nonsense for three decades.

When he shot himself, what little regard I had left evaporated. If he was in that much physical and psychological pain, why didn't he just go out to the woods away from his house, call the Sheriff's to alert them, and then plug himself where his family wouldn't have to see and hear it, and deal with his corpse? IMHO, It was the final act of someone with a terminal case of malignant narcissism.

In my opinion suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can do to his loved ones. I have experienced suicide in my family.

re: #101 wolfie

You need to change your nic to: I INVENTED AL GORE BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF I'LL BE BLAMED FOR GORE VIDAL !

[Chuckling] I'm still trying to find the controls for Al.

/Actually cleaning the home office today. Maybe that'll help.

re: #63 wolfie

Yeah. I never could grasp how Bush could simultaneously be the dumbest guy on earth and yet the mastermind of intricate, sophisticated conspiracies!
But who cares about logic?

It's Rove and Cheyney, dontcha know?

re: #105 HDrepub

In my opinion suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can do to his loved ones. I have experienced suicide in my family.

Mine as well, HDR. Which one reason is why I think there was something particularly ugly and evil about the way HST offed himself. Why add that much more anguish and agony to the lives of your survivors, unless you're a completely hateful nihilist?

re: #95 ploome hineni

he must be getting bored with the boys in Casabanca

* * *
Gay marriage is now legal in Spain, that Zapatero enlightened socialist paradise longing to look up to Al Andalus overlords, instead of their Conquistador, Vaquero/Cowboy forefathers.

re: #107 Jito463

It's Rove and Cheyney, dontcha know?

Dang! I keep forgetting that!
Bush is just the chimp!

Which one = Which is one. PIMF!

re: #109 alegrias

The funniest (and sickest) of Zapatero's "reforms:"
Progenitor A and Progenitor B

re: #108 mikalm

Mine as well, HDR. Which one reason is why I think there was something particularly ugly and evil about the way HST offed himself. Why add that much more anguish and agony to the lives of your survivors, unless you're a completely hateful nihilist?

My father shot himself on my mother's birthday in 1976. They were estranged, but he was at fault for the estrangement. I blame no one but him for his demisebut he should have done it outside instead of nearly ruining a bedroom in the family home. Seems to me the last thing he did in life was something malicious.

How do we know he didn't have sex with the guy he was living with for 50 years? He says it but I think we need proof. His word's worth nothing.

He's a lousy writer, too. Anyone who has that much bile welling up in them always stinks because it's all about them and never the reader.

Those active in the pro-life movement know about Warren Hern. If he has done any physician work other than abortions in the past 20 years, it's news. His advocacy includes public statements and interviews defending partial-birth abortion.

re: #80 wolfie

I have to wonder how many minds were challenged during the Human Shield fiasco. All those young and old liberals traveling to a foreign country against the will of their nation of birth to defend the poor people of Iraq against the unjust, immoral and psychotic American military.

I remember people predicting that the "rednecks" in the military were going to slaughter whole villages of civilians, commit genocide, bomb hospitals and mosques...

If I make a prediction, which is rare (i'm not the predicting type), and it turns out to be wrong I think I'd have to go back and question my take on the situation.

I think all the things I believe are going to happen in the next 20 to 30 years would definitely make the world a worse place to live. Here are a few predictions of the horrors to come:

Obama will be elected president along with a super-majority of Democrats into the House and Senate. There will be no checks and balances for at least 4 years. Fairness Doctrine will take conservative talk radio off the air and exception to Free Speech will be made to "hate speech". People who criticize Islam publically will be arrested and fined, while Muslims will remain untouchable thanks to multiculturalism and the mindset of understanding. Some troops will be pulled from Afghanistan and Iraq, but cuts in funding and military size will insure that stress will not be eased upon our men and women in harms way. Iran will produce a nuclear arsenal as will Saudi Arabia. China will take the lead, angrily, in the war on terrorism and without the care for human life that America has shown when facing down their enemies. Mosques will burn and religious conflict will increase. Oil prices in America will reach $5.50, American industry will not be able to sustain the price of of running itself and millions will be out of jobs. Universal healthcare as well as a new and booming welfare program will be offered, doctors will either move or retire when the government fails to help pay off their college loans while at the same time cutting their pay in half. Hospitals will fill up, appointments for simple procedures and check-ups will be placed months apart. People with easily diagnosible and treatable issues will not get diagnosed and treated in time to save their lives. And then, when the conservative efforts to reduce the size of government are almost turned criminal a second major attack will be launched on American soil by religious extremists. Upwards of 5,000 to a million will die thanks to easier access to biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. World War 3.

re: #116 DeathtotheSwiss

I have to wonder how many minds were challenged during the Human Shield fiasco. All those young and old liberals traveling to a foreign country against the will of their nation of birth to defend the poor people of Iraq against the unjust, immoral and psychotic American military.

Some of them should have gotten their eyes opened when Saddam told them they couldn't be shields for hospitals and schools but only military installations. It happened but you didn't hear much about it. One of the fools/human shields went home when Saddam told him how it was going to be.

re: #112 wolfie

The funniest (and sickest) of Zapatero's "reforms:"
Progenitor A and Progenitor B

* * *
That's fairly standard language probably among highest tech countries where adoption, In Vitro Fertilization and diverse, blended families are standard.

Or islam, where one man fertilizes up to four wives in England, with taxpayers' blessings.

BUT NOT THE IRISH! Yay, thank you for chucking the EU constitution and just saying NO to Eurabia's low standards.

Up yours, you pathetic, third-rate old queen. Your scribblings will be forgotten ten minutes after you croak.

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Charles, I don't know a soul on this list and I have only vaguely heard of Gore Vidal. SHould I do some research on these folks or not waste anymore of my precious time?

Mark Leno is in the California state assembly. He has been doing his level best to decriminalize kiddie porn.

Oh, yeah, he's a most apt advocate for Vidal's causes.

That "advisory board" is a who's who of the leftie cads and dolts in America. I'm just suprised that Bill Ayers isn't on it.

re: #78 damnyanqui

Of course Al Qaeda is only his current favorite cause. Back in his heyday it would've been the Viet Cong, the Soviets, the communist Chinese, the Sandinistas, the Shining Path, the Red Brigade, the Khmer Rouge, Castro, Che, Allende, Khadaffi... pretty much anybody regardless of ideology as long as it was an enemy of America.

Dinged you up for that.

This guy was born in 1925, so he's seen the real thing. So, obviously, he's either lying or has lost his marbles. The only motivation I can figure out to lie like this is to aid in the destruction of the present governmental system.

So, he is like the rest of the leftist scum who want real tyranny imposed here after destroying the US.

I never understood why people bow at the alter of Vidal.

A "historian" who doesn't think we should have entered World War II does not seem to bright to me.

re: #116 DeathtotheSwiss

OK, but who's gonna win the Kentucky Deby next year? I need to place a bet so I can get the heck outta here.

re: #124 astronmr20

Historians like to play that game all the time. Subjecting us all to their opinions as if they were fact. Nobody without a time machine can say that the civil war should have been avoided or that dropping two nukes on Japan wasn't our only choice.

re: #125 Shay4l

OK, but who's gonna win the Kentucky Deby next year? I need to place a bet so I can get the heck outta here.

My sources tell me, A Man About A Horse will win.

Gore who?

I thought he'd been locked up in a nursing home for years.

BTW, his books are waaay overrated. Only his leftist buddies read his trash.

Hey Gore, STFU.

If Mr. Vidal and his pro-abortion friends are truly concerned about the loss of freedom of speech, perhaps he would like to go to North Korea, Iran, or even Canada. I'd like to see how far they get.

Well, I'm from West Point too, born and raised there - I can't imagine this guy lasting 30 seconds at the Officers Club, let alone the NCO Club, spouting this BS. He has obviously lost his marbles (if he had any to begin with).
He sounds more like the teen aged Army brats (off- spring of proud warriors/Officers) that I was surrounded by in the 60's. Spoiled rotten (as most 'boomers were) with no clue, let alone appreciation, of the sacrifices their fathers (and mothers !) had made to keep this country free. These kids had every reason to be full of pride but the 60's culture took hold and made this lot some of the worst venom spewing, moonbat, extreme leftists this country has ever seen ! Of course there were exceptions and some went on in the tradition of their fathers and grand fathers. I will never forget how some of these kids talked to their fathers - most who had served in or just returned from 'Nam. I cringed back then witnessing it and could scream now at the memory of it.
I'm not thrilled at the prospect of McCain for POTUS
but to talk about his service and sacrifice like this is
sickening.
50 years ago this "interview" wouldn't have made it five minutes - it would be concluded quickly that the man was obviously "crazy" and that would be that.
I don't mean to be insensitive to people with mental illness here but seriously, you might as well go interview Charlie Manson ! How does this stuff get published ?
**OK, I just "Googled" 'Vidal and West Point' - read all I needed to know (momma was a moonbat !). Dad (an Officer) must have been VERY proud - may he rest in peace. This guy pre dates the 60's "brat". Maybe the original "Moonbrat" ?
Also:
Look for my new book "Moonbatism and Genetics":
"Previously thought to be linked to environmental factors, there appears to be mounting evidence that genetics may also play a part in determining..."
Hmmm, sounds familiar.

re: #124 astronmr20

I never understood why people bow at the alter of Vidal.

The only people who bow are the leftist/socialist fellow travelers. But since they are the same people who write for the NY Slimes and are in the media elite of the northeast, told us in the '60s & '70s who we should admire, read, and hold in awe.

Thankfully that day has passed and he's day too. He's just a bitter old man waiting to assume room temperature.

”We live in a dictatorship. We have a fascist government ...which controls the media,” he said.

Charles Johnson: You were not authorized by Mr. Rove to publish this thread. You will report at 0800 Monday, June 16, 2008, CE, to the Interrogation Room...

/Agent 409

re: #95 ploome hineni

he must be getting bored with the boys in Casabanca

they are bored w/ him.
have you taken a look at him lately.
plus w/ his nasty attitude,
(no amt. of money. . .)

Pity our nation that we have two high visible butt monkeys both with the moniker Gore.
As for Swiss' post regarding supermajority. The Congressional majority would not necessarily be for four years as there would be interim elections in 2010 where the numbers could change. However, unless the Repubs get back to basics and their principles, the voters when faced with choice of authentic socialists-democraps and cynical socialists, repubs, will usually go for authenticity.

Um, not to be critical or anything, but usually if one says "I'm West Point" one means they attended the USMA. Something tells me that this tool wouldn't have qualified for admission.

The real issue in not Gore Vidal. He was a lunatic before he became a senile lunatic. My mother is 85 and she is way on the downhill side, but nobody puts her opinions in the newspaper.

The real issue is the MSM, which fills pages with the bilge spouted by fools like Gore (Vidal or Al, either one). Why do they do that. Why do they think that every story about an animal needs a quote from PETA. Why, Why Why?

The real problem is the MSM. There will be no peace until we they have gone out of business.

To explain the grenade I tossed above (B*O as decent guy), I have to mention my great uncle, Sam Rayburn ("Mr. Democrat"), whose life and career naturally influence my ideas about politics, and a number of other things besides.
My identity is relatively safe in doing this; Mr. (never "Uncle") Sam had ten siblings and I don't think anyone knows how many nieces and nephews at this remove. (He had no children of his own) I actually knew Mr. Sam (I was 12 when he died). He was certainly a decent guy, and a lot more: A man of legendary integrity and intellect, in fact, especially noted for his life-long dedication to improving the lot of working people.

Yet, even he made compromises. When he was first elected to Congress in 1912, it was impossible to win election in Texas without support from the state's virulently racist Democratic Party, and without at least a nod to its segregationist policies. Sam believed in racial justice but he would lose his opportunity to help anyone at all if he attacked this injustice too openly. This remained true almost to the end of his career in 1960. (He broke openly with the segregationists in 1956 when he refused to sign the notorious Southern Manifesto).

That is not how it should be, but it is how it was.

I would be the last to suggest that B*O is his equal (I don't really think any living person is his equal) but I can see B*O as having been in a similar spot. The black political system in Chicago is about craziness, has been for decades, and Obama could get nowhere without playing along. The former segregationists of half a century ago managed to adapt in the face of sweeping national change. Obama does not have that option because the crazies still hold sway not just in Chicago, but in a large part of the Democratic Party. Obama owes them. That will be his undoing.

Here's an interesting experiment I'm going to perform. First I'll take an excerpt of Gore Vidal speaking in an interview from the following website.

Warning: Don't go here unless you want verification, designed by nutroots.
[Link: www.ratical.org...]

Then I'm going to translate it into internet 12-year-old speech via the following family friendly website:
[Link: ssshotaru.homestead.com...]

Original Text: "Why the shift in the United States of America, which has obliged me -- since I've spent most of my life marinated in the history of my country and I'm so alarmed by what is happening with our global empire, and our wars against the rest of the world -- it is time for me to take political action. I think anybody who has the position, has a platform, must do so. It's also a family tradition. My grandfather lost his seat in the Senate because he opposed going into the First World War. And he won it back 10 years later on exactly the same set of speeches that he'd lost it. So attitudes change. Attitudes can be changed. But now I am not terribly optimistic that there is much anyone can do now the machine is set to go."

Revised: "Y TEH SHIFT IN TEH UNIETD STAETS OF M3RICA WHICH HAS OBLIEGD ME - SINCE IV3 SP3NT MOST OF MAH LIEF MARINAETD IN DA HIS2RY OF MAH COUNTRY AND IMM SO ALARMED BY WUT SI HAP3NNG WIT OUR GLOBAL 3MPIER AND OUR WARS AGANEST TEH R3ST OF DA WORLD - IT SI TIEM FOR ME 2 TAEK POLITICAL ACTION!1!1!11 WTF I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS DA POSITION HAS A PLATFORM MUST DO SO!1111 LOL ITS ALSO A FMILEY TRADITION!111! OMG LOL MAH GRANDFATHER LOST HIS S3AT IN TEH SENAET B/C HE OPOS3D GONG IN2 DA FIRST WORLD WAR!11111! OMG WTF AND HA WON IT BAK 10 Y3ARS L8R ON 3XACTLEY TEH SM3 SAT OF SPECH3S TAHT HAD LOST IT!111!1! WTF LOL SO ATITUD3S CHANGE!11111 OMG WTF ATITUD3S CAN B CHANG3D!11!111 WTF LOL BUT NOW IM NOT TARIBLEY OPTIMISTIC TAHT THEIR SI MUCH ANYONA CAN DO NOW DA MACHIEN SI SET 2 GO!111!1 OMG WTF"

Oddly enough, the second was seems a bit more intelligent than the first.

Gore Vidal endorsed Kucinich for president. Enough said.
Too bad McCain cannot answer with "Listen, you queer..."

Gore Vidal: US needs 100 years to recover from Bush Gore Vidal.

Dammit, will people please stop saying 'Lynne Stewart' in here, some of us are trying to eat.

re: #69 tradewind

I'm getting really pessimistic about this election...
It's the media, and they want Obama big time.
Now I'm even sorrier that Russert has died... he may have been a D at heart, but he would have held Ob's feet to the interview fire... a situation where Barry does not do well.

I kinda doubt that, actually. Russert had slipped backward in that regard over the last year, IMHO.

And if for no other reason except to make Olbermann and Matthews cry in their mics on election day, support the RNC and McCain as much as you can.

I'm supporting McCain because I'm a military wife, and got to see up close and personal what having a military hating Commander in Chief can mean to our troops through the whole 8 years of WJC. Blackhawk Down, Khobar Towers, Embassy bombings, USS Cole. Blackhawk Down, Khobar Towers, and the USS Cole thing all resulted directly from having Clinton's top folks in the Pentagon ignore requests for more weaponry (Blackhawk), more security (Khobar Towers), and more threat intel.

William Buckley vs. Gore Vidal

re: #138 DeathtotheSwiss

Jeez. That's almost as bad as lolcat.

Gore pranked.

re: #140 winston06

Gore Vidal: US needs 100 years to recover from Bush Gore Vidal.

World needs a million years to recover from communism.

Noam Chomsky gets the Ali G Treatment

Mr Vidal confuses speaking well with intelligence.

I do think he's correct that it will take 100 years to recover from the Bush presidency. If we are cursed with Democrat presidents for that 100 years.

Let's be grateful for small favors. Gore Vidal will have no descendants.

I really am waiting for the fascist media to kick in, cause all I hear are raving moonbats 24/7 complaining how they don't have any free speech or rights anymore in this 'fascist' country. They are barking mad.
As for LS (I won't mention the full name to protect others' appetites),
I don't believe she served a day in jail, due to her public service (of representing the most vicious anti american criminals in this country.)
The Judge was as barking mad as she was, and she put on such a phony act at sentencing, that only a tinfoil koolaid drinker would have believed it. Unfortunately for the country, there was such an idiot presiding at her trial.

re: #55 newsjunkie_ky

There, I balanced your frak-up ding for ya!

re: #138 DeathtotheSwiss

BUT NOW IM NOT TARIBLEY OPTIMISTIC TAHT THEIR SI MUCH ANYONA CAN DO NOW DA MACHIEN SI SET 2 GO

I thought that was a Hillary Clinton stump speech for a second there...

re: #55 newsjunkie_ky

I dinged you up but wish I could take it back. Don't go dissing Chewy. That stewart b1tch is no Chewbacca.

you are right.

Lynne is far more hirsute

One of the major problems yet to be solved by the political "right," stems from the simple desire to better understand reality. (!) If I may bore you for a moment, I am going somewhere with this.

Most on the right believe that truth is the divining rod to guide action. But this creates a problem. People who believe this fact about truth assume that most normal humans believe the same way. This is why the totalitarian jihadis keep winning the war of the propaganda space. Reasonable people assume news sourced from the jihadis--and their political supporters--is mere journalistic "news." It never is. To the jihadis, lying to the infidel is an honorable thing, sanctioned by their religion. Never forget that.

In one aspect, those totalitarian jihadis have earned our respect: they are now recognized as our Enemy. They are a genuine physical threat to our existence. But the roster of radical, left-wing ideologues posted by Charles comprises a lower form of life than our totalitarian jihadist Enemy.

Rather than set themselves against us in direct combat, these particular radicals, and many who support their views, seek an easier, oilier way to power. Some of them may believe in their ideology of Marx-inspired "equality." It does not matter. Radicals lie, but unlike our recognized Enemy--instructed to lie as a matter of honor--these leftist, radical ideologues lie, knowing full well that lying to the public is totally out of accord with their mission of "a better man", and "equality for all." They either excuse the lie as a necessity to be endured until they win, or worse, cannot fathom their often-mathematically-impossible and frequently-reprehensible pronouncements as false, simply because they view themselves as being so vastly superior in intellect.

Marxist thinking is totally unacceptable to our Enemy, so these radicals are probably at the top of our Enemy's list of Those Who Must Die. If the radicals win their war against the USA, they still lose.

[Caveats: 1) I use the terms "left" and "right" only to comply with the current paradigm. I don't believe in a 2-dimensional "spectrum."
2) These radicals in question do not include, obviously, the vast majority of the center-left polity. You have to support them or trust them to be in their penumbra.
3) Sigh. Choosing your words carefully usually results in using more. Kudos to those who can do it well, with less. (Heh, 2-e.) ]

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re: #18 coquimbojoe

Can I make a 'Discarded Sockpuppet?'

Only God can make a tree, and only Charles can make a discarded sockpuppet...

re: #4 FQ Kafir

Lynne Stewart! Isn't she the one who passed messages to and from prison for terrorists?

Uh huh. And, apart from her routine traitorous inclinations/actions, she did so because the 'blind sheik' (are any of these terror sheiks whole in body and mind?) flattered this deliberately ugly feminist hag into submission by pretending attraction to her. His blindness certainly must have given him aid and comfort in his endeavors.

Gore Vidal is just as vain and vacuous as Stewart and they are both as evil as the sheik.

Being over educated, I recall taking an english course on contemporary American writers. The instructor derided Vidal as a poseur and wanna-be in terms of desiring to be considered the best American writer of his age when compared to Bellow, Updike, Roth, etc., and opined that Vidal's displeasure at his lack of recognition and affirmation caused him to exile himself to Europe and become anti-American. And the guy teaching the course was a liberal !

To summarize Gore Vidal is the literary Jimmy Carter. 'Nuff said ?

re: #137 shiplord kirel

The black political system in Chicago is about craziness, has been for decades, and Obama could get nowhere without playing along. The former segregationists of half a century ago managed to adapt in the face of sweeping national change. Obama does not have that option because the crazies still hold sway not just in Chicago, but in a large part of the Democratic Party. Obama owes them. That will be his undoing.

Maybe. But the MSM totally swallows his under-the-bus schtick. They will probably just accept the "that wasn't the Chicago machine I knew" line and continue the accolades.

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re: #157 offendi

To summarize Gore Vidal is the literary Jimmy Carter. 'Nuff said ?

Would that make Al Gore the literary Billy Carter?

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The United States demonized Germany and Japan during World War

Gore Vidal

The sad thing is, this guy passes as an intellectual in lefty circles.

“The president behaved like a virtual criminal but we didn’t have the courage to sack him for fear of violating the American constitution,” Mr Vidal told the El Mundo newspaper.

Huh? Since when would "violating the American constitution" be an example of "courage." Is that the same kind of "courage" Obama exhibits when he "speaks out against war"?

... and what the heck is a virtual criminal, anyway? This sounds like a novel concept of justice. Is that anything like a thought criminal?

I'm curious as to where communists like Gore Vidal get their numbers from. Why 100 years? Why not 107 years? Or 48. 7 years? What variables did he use to arrive at his conclusion? Oh, that's right. He made it up.

Like, 100,000 dead. Or 1 million dead. It is always a nice round number, never anything that would indicate they put any actual thought into. At least he didn't turn around and then claim that commies are all about peace, love, and understanding this time. Maybe they have given up even faking that part.

What a loon. As if it had to be said.

re: #163 kevinmumaw

mental illness does that to people

re: #23 Jetpilot1101

Don't waste your time. They're the usual suspects.

re: #163 kevinmumaw

I'm curious as to where communists like Gore Vidal get their numbers from. Why 100 years? Why not 107 years? Or 48. 7 years? What variables did he use to arrive at his conclusion? Oh, that's right. He made it up.

Like, 100,000 dead. Or 1 million dead. It is always a nice round number, never anything that would indicate they put any actual thought into. At least he didn't turn around and then claim that commies are all about peace, love, and understanding this time. Maybe they have given up even faking that part.

What a loon. As if it had to be said.

In his book, "The Flight From Truth" (transl. fr "La Connaisance Inutile"), Jean Francoise Revel discusses a typical leftist "statistic" where a writer claimed that each year, fifty million children die of starvation. Nice round number indeed. The problem is that, at the time the writer made the claim, the planet's population was at about 4.5Billion, and only a few tens of millions died each year, from all causes, including war, famine, and old-age. Obviously, they weren't all children. This is what I mean by their frequent use of mathematically-impossible claims.

Good catch, BTW!

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100 years?

The US is much more resilient than that. After all, it took much less time to recover economically from the Carter years. OTOH, the US, and the world, still hasn't recovered from Jimmy's foreign policy disasters.

I'd call it the worst case of BDS I'd ever seen, but Veedle has always been deranged. Kind of like saying he'd lost his mind. How can you lose something you've never had?

Gore is just upset because no one pays any attention to him anymore. He also seems to have some serious mental problems although I do not believe he was ever as smart as he thought he was. Having said that, I still won't cut him any slack, he is a jerk.

Quick, before they fix it at The Australian:

Ntelligent usually has an "I" at the beginning of the word. You know, like IRONY.

And for a fascist state, the opposition to this fascist state is remarkably free to say whatever they like without fear of prosecution. Perhaps George Bush is just so lacking in Ntelligence to know that a real fascist throws his critics in the hoosegow.

Gore Vidal is senile.

Someone get him a blanky and a nice hot cup of tea.

It's like what Dennis Prager always says, "If you call the good evil, what will you call the evil?"

This terrible man, Mr. Vidal, is a hateful and self-loathing leftist...clearly out of his mind, he has the incredible nerve to say that McCain didn't suffer, when we have videos of him in that terrible prison...this is what the left does: smear, hope no one notices, then pray it becomes common knowledge.

We are in big trouble if men like Obama, who holds similar views to Vidal, get any power -- can you imagine what the US will be like? Oh my.

Moron!

re: #142 funky chicken

funky chicken, how does one get registered at Hot Air? I enjoy your comments there.

Where does one begin with poor Gore V? His daft books giving fictional accounts of history are pretty much remaindered upon publication, with only the fellow-travelers reviewing them for the NYT and NYROB ever bothering to crack them open before giving them a sub-lukewarm review. In other words, they're unreadable flights of delusional fantasy.

I'm sure queens like him start getting cranky when their looks go, which his have for decades. If his money is running out, then he can't retreat to some third-world shithole where he can bribe people to send him a steady stream of young boys against their will. Life must really suck for Vidal.

re: #40 jcm

Lynne Stewart defend terrorist and passed communications between other terrorists and the accused.

Howard Zinn wrote A Peoples History of the United States popular text in American High Schools, as you can guess from the title a big time socialist.

Oh, my gosh! I think I had to read that history book in my government school!

”We live in a dictatorship. We have a fascist government ...which controls the media,” he said.

No we don't: we live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune! ... Help, help, I'm being repressed!

PROTIP: If you can call your government fascist and still walk the streets afterwards, odds are it probably isn't.

Gore Vidal is 32 flavors of batshit.

Look who is on the "Advisory Board".
Is Lynne Stewart in prison for providing material support to terrorists? Or was she just given a slap on the wrist for her treason?
[Link: www.meforum.org...]

Whether in prison or out, she is still a piece of jihaditerrorist-supporting ***.

Only an intellectual could believe such nonsense. No ordinary man could be such a fool. - George Orwell

To be more accurate, this country will take a century to recover from the effects of liberalism. Liberalism is an abject failure, and has destroyed much of the very fiber of this country. Liberalism has enslaved generations in underachievement. Liberalism is merely feeling good about enacting a solution, despite its deleterious effects. Liberalism is cowardly, it requires no tough choices be made, only to ostensibly make one feel better. Liberalism punishes achievement, and rewards destructive behavior. Liberalism subsidizes said behavior at the expense of those who produce in this country. Liberalism is about power over others lives because liberalism knows what's best for you.

Mr. Vidal, you and your ilk are more dangerous to this country than George W. Bush could ever be. You, along with all the other liberals, have nearly ruined it, and I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of liberalism. You mock this country despite having made a comfortable living spewing your nonsense. You hate this country because it is the only superpower on the planet. No where else in history has a country come to such prominence in such a short time. You actively seek to destroy her, and our way of life that the founding fathers saw fit to give us, simply so other countries will "like" us again.

Mr. Vidal, GO TO HELL!

re: #166 K~Bob

Thanks, I have Anti-Americanism by author of same name. I just ordered the book from Amazon.

re: #173 Captain Hate

Hey Capt Hate. I just caught open registration one day by chance. They don't seem to announce it in advance.

Unsurprisingly, for an egomaniac like Gore Vidal, he stoked his vanity by acting. He garnered roughly a dozen roles, ranging from an extra in 1946 to a role many of us may have seen him in, although we might not have known he was. In the sci-fi semi-classic "Gattaca", he played the space agency flight director who killed the man who stood in the way of his plans for the agency. It was a small, but important, role in the film. Actually, he did rather well in it. A poseur like Vidal must have had extensive experience acting in real life, as well as in "reel life".

Drugs.

-- ERIS

On top of everythiing else, not that you need anything else, Vidal is an unrepentant antisemitic scumbag.

Has Vidal even been living in the states? No American I know uses "sacked" in place of "fired."

But it will only take three seconds to see that Vidal is a nutbar.

Howard Zinn is to historian
as
The Predator is to humanitarian

Vidal is a distant cousin of the Goracle. To paraphrase Mandymanners, too bad Bill Buckley isn't around to wash Vidal's mouth out with soap!

It's not Vidal speaking. It's the tertiary syphillis speaking.

"Lynne Stewart, attorney"? Those lying scumbags list Lynne Stewart as an attorney? Interesting description for a disbarred felon.

Actually it's liberals whose policies resemble fascism. Woodrow Wilson put hundreds of magazines out of circulation for criticizing him. He prosecuted people for criticizing the war effort.

Laissez faire economics, which Vidal opposes, is the exact opposite of fascism. The New Deal is the model for modern liberal economics. Here's what FDR said about its origins:

"... what we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were being done under Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way."

In his standard college textbook, the late distinguished liberal historian, John Garraty, wrote that the National Industrial Recovery Act "was also similar to experiments being carried out by the fascist dictator Benito Mussolini in Italy and by the Nazis in Adolf Hitler's Germany. It did not, of course, turn America into a fascist state, but it did herald an increasing concentration of economic power in the hands of interest groups, both industrialists' organizations and labor unions."

Indeed FDR jailed the dry cleaner Jacob Maged for charging 35 cents to clean a suit when the National Recovery Administration (NRA) wanted him to charge 40 cents. The NRA was declared unconstitutional when it prosecuted two small businessmen for letting customers select the chickens they wanted to buy.

Folks across the ocean had the same perception. A 1933 New York Times article starts "There is at least one official voice in Europe that expresses understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt."

Here's what the official voice, Chancellor Adolf Hitler, said:

"I have sympathy with President Roosevelt because he marches straight toward his objective over Congress, over lobbies, over stubborn bureaucracies."

"Our turn has come for an economic overhauling, for new roads, subways, electric railways, the reclamation and decentralizing of industry,and new handicrafts."

Too bad, I really like his novel "Julian"

When did he write that?

re: #173 Captain Hate

funky chicken, how does one get registered at Hot Air? I enjoy your comments there.

Where does one begin with poor Gore V? His daft books giving fictional accounts of history are pretty much remaindered upon publication, with only the fellow-travelers reviewing them for the NYT and NYROB ever bothering to crack them open before giving them a sub-lukewarm review. In other words, they're unreadable flights of delusional fantasy.

I'm sure queens like him start getting cranky when their looks go, which his have for decades. If his money is running out, then he can't retreat to some third-world shithole where he can bribe people to send him a steady stream of young boys against their will. Life must really suck for Vidal.

I couldn't give a rat's backside whether he prefers consenting men or women, but what I remember his name from, some 20 years ago, is an article in which he was apologetic for perverts who travel to Thailand and Sri Lanka to have "relations" with young boys. This told me all I needed to know about the narcissist swine.

Somebody else here noted Vidal's occasional movie roles (Gattaca happens to be one of my favorite SciFi movies): he also wrote the script for a VERY different kind of movie, the biopic-meets-hardcore-porn "Caligula" (produced by Bob "Mr. Penthouse" Guccione and directed by Tinto Brass). I saw the unexpurgated European version while in college: every explicit sex act you can imagine, plus no shortage of blood and gore (ahem). Actually, the content is only a mild exaggeration of what I read in Suetonius' biography, but the acts could just have been hinted at, rather than actually performed to completion on screen (nothing simulated there).

re: #179 rightside

EXCELLENT !

re: #166 K~Bob

In his book, "The Flight From Truth" (transl. fr "La Connaisance Inutile"), Jean Francoise Revel discusses a typical leftist "statistic" where a writer claimed that each year, fifty million children die of starvation. Nice round number indeed. The problem is that, at the time the writer made the claim, the planet's population was at about 4.5Billion, and only a few tens of millions died each year, from all causes, including war, famine, and old-age. Obviously, they weren't all children. This is what I mean by their frequent use of mathematically-impossible claims.

Good catch, BTW!

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Jean-Fran¸ois Revel is one of the sanest French writers of the 20th century. It's a pity so few Americans know him.

Yep, Bush controls the media and is a dictator, while you speak out. I wonder if any of these moonbats realize what it was/is like under a real communist regime.

Until not too long ago, Gore Vidal lived in the Italian equivalent of Hitler's Berghof. He wrote many of his most famous works there.

[Link: www.pitt.edu...]

Poor multi-millionaire Vidal doesn't even know history well enough to realize that it took only a generation for West Germany to recover from Hitler. Yet he claims that it will take 100 years to recover from Bush?

Vidal is old, enfeebled, senile and not long for this world. Thank God (PBUH).

The Discarded Lies crackheads are talking about starting up the sock puppet posts again, by the way.

HELLO chrales i am Rugby from Rat Heaven (yes it is true there is a heaven BUT only for rats) & i resemble that remrak!

p.S! my sadness waxeth great at the loss of the red coureor corieer monospace font on LFG!? it was pretty

hey how come i still look like a green football? i am not a fortball or spotring eqipment of any kind! i am a rodent

It is the Night of the Living Rugby.

oh there i am.

re: #196 Former Belgian, #180 kevinmumaw

Jean-Fran¸ois Revel is one of the sanest French writers of the 20th century. It's a pity so few Americans know him.

I agree, Former Belgian. I plan on reading more of his works, since I am very interested in any philosophy about information. I wish I could read the original French, since the translated version is a bit rough. It was a bit of a wrestle, in fact, though very rich in food for thought (oooh! two metaphors!).

kevinmumaw, you'll need to make lots of notes in the margins, and elsewhere, since the flow is a bit unorganized. (It always helps to argue with the writer in the margins anyway--I was gratified to learn that President John Adams used to do that in all his books, too.)

Other tips that come to mind: M. Revel tends to toss concepts at you that he only explains later. Sometimes his usage of words is ideosyncratic, and he explains himself later in the text. Just underline it and hang in there. He frequently waxes polemic, and in those cases, tends to omit scrupulous footnoting his facts. Just interpret that as polemic (it would look good posted here), and move on. You will be rewarded with lots of well-sourced facts about the actual subject matter, much of it surprising to those of us who lived through the history, but were denied proper journalistic coverage of world events by our media.

Oh yes, most important of all: take a moment to familiarize yourself with a snapshot of world history at the time he wrote the book. He wrote it before the Berlin wall came down, during the reign of Gorbachev and Glasnost, and that is very significant, although he was VERY insightful about the growing menace of totalitarian jihadism (which of course, garners little mention, but it IS there).

And of course, the Internet was a baby then.

Sorry for the ramble! Have fun with it!

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Gore Vidal, the true barb (bard) of porcupines--if he had as many sticking out of him as were stuck in him, he'd be a porcupine.

Geez, Gore, it's a pretty milk-and-water Fascism that lets an extreme liberal like Baraq advance to the very portals of the White House.
I happen to think Baraq is going to win (darn it). I do hope Gore lasts long enough to watch the fascist tyrant Bush turn over the keys to a far-leftwinger, without even a murmur.
Lecture us about fascism then, willya, Gore, you a__hole!

A note about Vidal's novel Julian. I admired the work for a while until I discovered that it -- like so much else written by Vidal -- was just completely wrong. I would suggest beginning with Bowersock's Julian the Apostate, which is only a hundred pages long. Also, take a look at this poem by Cavafy:

Julian and the People of Antioch

Was it ever possible that they should renounce
their lovely way of life; the variety of their
daily amusement; their magnificent theater
where a union of the Arts was taking place
with the amorous tendencies of the flesh?

They were immoral to a point—and possibly to a great
degree. But they had the satisfaction of knowing
that their life was the much talked about life of Antioch,
rich in pleasures, perfectly elegant in every way.

To renounce all these, to turn to what after all?

To his airy chatter about false gods;
to his tiresome self-centered chatter;
to his childish fear of the theater;
his graceless prudery; his ridiculous beard?

Ah, most certainly they preferred the CHI,
ah most certainly they preferred the KAPPA; a hundred times.

(CHI refers to Christianity, KAPPA to Constantius.)

I think Jimmuh and Gore are similarly frightening: they were always a bit nuts (especially in the megalomania department) -- and then they got senile, and became really horrifying.

Just as a side note: all the people attacking Jimmuh never mention his heterosexuality. Why is it necessary to attack Vidal's homosexuality? His moonbattery speaks for itself.

Just like Jimmuh, "Arid Glove" wants to be King of the World. Without any qualifications or experience.

How come left-wing "intellectuals" are such demented lunatics?

These are the same idiots who stand behind John Kerry. *spit*

re: #65 William Teach

"Grizzly Man"... now if we could somehow convince them all it would be good to "get back to nature in Alaska"...
/hey, now bears gotta do what a bears gotta doo-doo...

This is something that has perplexed me for decades.

WHY are these high-IQ "intellectuals" so totally lacking in common sense? Is it (maybe) because they get all of their thoughts from books, and not people?

That is to say, I once met a typical "high-IQ intellectual" from Australia who published an entire book on "Gay Life in Thailand." And everything in the book was derived from printed sources! This guy, Peter Jackson, took about 85 percent of his material from an "advice-to-the-lovelorn" column in a newspaper. (Well, he could always support this "research" with footnotes.)

And, in the meantime, Real Life was going on all around him! Did he pay any attention to it? Not that I know of!

re: #210 geoffputerbaugh

WHY are these high-IQ "intellectuals" so totally lacking in common sense? Is it (maybe) because they get all of their thoughts from books, and not people?

That's right -- they believe in the theory of things, but don't realize how many of these theories hardly ever work in real time...Marxism comes to mind, which while in theory may describe reality as it really is, does not take into account the complexity of the human condition -- which is why it cannot work until it does this. But, that does not stop a litany of intellectuals from believing it so thoroughly that they do indeed 'lose their minds' over promoting it. It's sad actually.

Lynne Stewart was convicted of aiding and abetting her terrorist clients, including the blind "sheik" who orchestrated the first attack on the World Trade Center. AS for "Dr. Warren Hern, pro choice activist", he is a notorious practitioner of late term abortions and has even written a HANDBOOK on how to perform abortions. He is a sick character. His "clinic" is in Colorado.re: #4 FQ Kafir

Lynne Stewart! Isn't she the one who passed messages to and from prison for terrorists?

re: #190 JPL17
Has she been disbarred yet? I recall the judge giving her a light sentence considering the gravity of her offense. She may be out now while she appeals the decision. People like Stewart get away with it . . .

re: #159 K~Bob

Would that make Al Gore the literary Billy Carter?

{ Assume the usual emoticons. I'm Harmless. }

Can you drink ethanol?

If gore v. says McCain wasn't a war hero cause he got shot down and held that is an opinion. If he said McCain was not a pow for several years that is calling him a liar. Where does Vidal suggest he was? running a secret CIA operation for George bush Sr. to rid us of RFK and blame it on crazy palestinian? Oops, thats how moonbat rumors get started.
you cannot drink ethanol, according to old war sub movies it will make you go blind.

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