New York Slimes.

did they prove she didn't say it, or did they prove she wouldn't say it?

I'm confused...

This isn't a news story...its an advertisment for the NYT.

Just a slam on the competition.

Pretty much everyone was skeptical of this even though it had all of the appearances of Red Meat. The NYTheads have no shame however.

Ah, the insufferable NYT

Full of ads showing pouty fashion models

OT:
In case you missed this:

Quds force operatives responsible for Karbala Raid captured

NRO blogs also dismissed this -- Geraghty if I remember correctly

The truth is irrelevant. The cause of the proletariat supersedes all!

/NYT editorial board

A tree, a tree, cut it down
my info
my info
my info for a tree

... now wait a minute... is Larry one of the zeroes in the google?

re: #2 WindHorse

did they prove she didn't say it, or did they prove she wouldn't say it?

I'm confused...

Yeah, you would be, wouldn't you. I am too.

So I get that after the tepid non-denial denial there was something resembling a strong denial that any such tape existed but does anyone remember the Shrew coming out on TV and saying in front of the Press, God and the voters:

"I did not say that word, "whitey"...then or ever. I never told anyone to lie about what I said, not one time. Now it is time to get back to work for the American people." [apologies to Bill Clinton]

Notice she, nor the campaign, ever came out and said "never has she ever, or would she ever, use that kind of language".

Why not? Perhaps because she has?

re: #6 Thanos

OT:
In case you missed this:

Quds force operatives responsible for Karbala Raid captured

The MSM will noticeable fail to report on this...

Oh, the lefties at the NY Times and in NYC! They're so predictable. And ubiquitous. And they're all just nuts.

At Farmers Market in Union Square while buying greens, the sales guy turns to me and screams, "How do you like living in a police state?"

/kinda scary axtually

I heard that Hannity had it and was going to hold it until October.

two is seven is five divided by three... carry the four... Larry, can you come here a minute... No, I didn't ever say I was a brain wizrad... no... aisle seat please...

re: #13 Irene NYC

Did he say that free speech is over-rated?

re: #13 Irene NYC

Oh, the lefties at the NY Times and in NYC! They're so predictable. And ubiquitous. And they're all just nuts.

At Farmers Market in Union Square while buying greens, the sales guy turns to me and screams, "How do you like living in a police state?"

seriously?

re: #11 brainwizard73

Why take the risk of being Fuhrmanated...

Every time I saw this mentioned on Ace's place, or over at Hotair, or here I said that our side should not even acknowledge Larry Johnson or his scummy story. I figured that he had created the whole thing out of thin air to try to get conservatives all in a lather or something. Unfortunately Rush Limbaugh and a few others were dumb enough to talk about it, and whattayaknow, suddenly he and other conservatives were the source of the crap.

Congrats Charles on being one of the few who gave Larry Johnson the attention and respect he deserves...zero.

re: #11 brainwizard73

BFD on this tape thing

You may even now chose from:

20 years listening to Mr. wright; or,
"I will slow funding on new weapns systems", or
"Typical white person", or
'can't eat all we want and expect other countries to say OK'...

I am sure we can think of other stuff

Oh, and

Grandpa/ uncle spent 6 months in the attic...

Oh and for all you J.C. Watts fans out there; check out Newsmax.

According to that site, J.C. is considering voting for Obama. From the story:

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

A total and complete, gutless and racist sell out. Anyone that still thinks this guy is on the side of the good guys ought to check their meds.

Carry on, O centrists !

& Goodnight all.

re: #18 pianobuff

Why take the risk of being Fuhrmanated...

You are the hammer to Michelle Obama's nail. Right on.

Can we bring back Johnnie Cochran to question Michelle Obama?

I salute you, Charles, for not writing about the goofy 'whitey' tape.

The Times is right that the story made the rounds on conservative blogs, but they should indeed note the poisoned spring from which the thing flowed: Larry Johnson.

re: #23 brainwizard73

She does not spit you must admit

zzz

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

seriously?

Seriously. All I wanted was to buy some organic spinach and suddenly he lunged at me and started this tirade.

Union Square is home to serious amounts of moonbats.

NYTimes has no shame and honesty

Obama doesn't even care enough to actually quit smoking. And there may not be a tape but we all know what Michelle O thinks.

re: #20 Ojoe

Ever heard "it's not the crime that gets you, but the cover-up?" Sure you have.

The point isn't whether the tape exists at all, I agree with you there is a lot of other spew from both ends of the Obama house. The point is that any rational person in this situation, would issue the strongest possible denial of that behavior and speech and (especially given the issues facing Obama '08) would seek to reassure everyone that the Shrew would never say any such thing. Ever.

She can't or won't make that type of denial. It begs the question why.

if we do not spin, the fool cannot win...

re: #25 Ojoe

She does not spit you must admit

If he is it, you must remit!

re: #21 brainwizard73

Oh and for all you J.C. Watts fans out there; check out Newsmax.

According to that site, J.C. is considering voting for Obama. From the story:

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

A total and complete, gutless and racist sell out. Anyone that still thinks this guy is on the side of the good guys ought to check their meds.

As I pointed out in a previous thread-

///The Great Society and all the other liberal antipoverty programs costing trillions of dollars ended poverty and lifted all poor and black Americans to self substinance.

I thought it was a Hillary supporter that spread the rumors.

Heck, maybe Obama put the rumor out there himself, knowing that left and right blogs would "blog" about it, then SMEAR the right trying to paint them as racist.

The media of course likes to paint conservatives as racists...

Larry Johnson sucks, and so do the Slimes.

re: #27 Irene NYC

Seriously. All I wanted was to buy some organic spinach and suddenly he lunged at me and started this tirade.

Union Square is home to serious amounts of moonbats.

Why did he choose you?

Joe down in the print shop said it, it must be true... no need to check.

re: #11 brainwizard73

Yeah, you would be, wouldn't you. I am too.

So I get that after the tepid non-denial denial there was something resembling a strong denial that any such tape existed but does anyone remember the Shrew coming out on TV and saying in front of the Press, God and the voters:

"I did not say that word, "whitey"...then or ever. I never told anyone to lie about what I said, not one time. Now it is time to get back to work for the American people." [apologies to Bill Clinton]

Notice she, nor the campaign, ever came out and said "never has she ever, or would she ever, use that kind of language".

Uh, NO. The event in question was a large, diverse convention. The panel she sat on (yes, with Mrs. L Farrakhan) featured Shoshana Johnson who was a POW in Iraq, and is an upbeat, patriotic, and NOT racist woman from all appearances.

Larry Johnson made the whole thing up, hoping people like Limbaugh would get all atwitter, and hoping people like you would make comments on "conservative" blogs like this one. The only way that he, the NYT, and Obama can spin this as conservative bashing of Michelle Obama is if folks on our side play their game.

Why not? Perhaps because she has?

re: #30 brainwizard73

She can't or won't make that type of denial. It begs the question why.

Just speaking for myself, but I would also refuse to answer any questions about such a demeaning subject or otherwise help feed the frenzy. It's kind of a now win situation.

re: #33 Bob in Breckenridge

PIMF-

As I pointed out in a previous thread-

The Great Society and all the other liberal antipoverty programs costing trillions of dollars ended poverty and lifted all poor and black Americans to self substinance.

J.C. Watts should ask himself, If he or Michael Steele, or Colin Powell were running for President, what kind of support they would get from the black community, that would answer any and all questions he should have about voting for Obama.

[Link: stevegilliard.blogspot.com...]

You know...the best, most believable lies always have a grain of truth in them.

The reason this is so believable is that you can picture Michelle actually saying it.

But that doesn't mean that conservatives started it...only that conservatives know the number of most liberals...

that number is "number 2"...

re: #21 brainwizard73

Oh and for all you J.C. Watts fans out there; check out Newsmax.

According to that site, J.C. is considering voting for Obama. From the story:

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

A total and complete, gutless and racist sell out. Anyone that still thinks this guy is on the side of the good guys ought to check their meds.

Maybe Watts is hoping for a job in an Obama administration.

/The Great Society and all the other liberal antipoverty programs costing trillions of dollars ended poverty and lifted all poor and black Americans to self substinance.

What an effin' crock! I saw where Larry Johnson said what he did about the tape - something to the effect that it was at NBC or maybe Fox and people he knew who had seen it said it was devastating.
Most of us said - "Yah, sure, let's see the tape!"
Lot's of bloggers and lots more commenters said IF the video existed and showed what Larry said it showed, then it would be a real atomic bomb for Obama, but everyone I know said "Where is it, Larry? Hmmm?" And he pushed that bullshit for like 10 days or more and more and more folks were saying "oh bullshit, there isn't any such tape".
And as Charles points out Larry is a LEFT WING BLOGGER.
The NYSlimes: All the news that's fit to make up.

re: #33 Bob in Breckenridge

I was disappointed. Being a native Sooner, I kind of liked J.C. back in the day. Clearly he has fallen well off the rails and has made his decision to forsake that which is right, good and just for a seat in Obama's cabinet.

You heard it here first: J.C. Watts will be a Cabinet level secretary when President Obama gets to it.

The MSM will have an orgy of David Gergen on "reaching across the aisle".

Facts do matter. This tape was the product of a fraudster, and he is not a conservative.

However, the tape was met with some excitement by the conservative blogosphere. LGF was emphatically NOT party to any of this.

But why did many elsewhere believe the tape was real? Because of the grievance-mongering and attitudes of Michelle Obama, coupled with Barack and Michelle's 20-year association with the Rev. Wright, who was the religious figure who married them, baptized their children and had a phrase of his adopted by Barack for the title of his book.

The Obamas have a great deal more to answer for than a spurious tape. They have associated with a racist church and racist pastor for 20 years. There is a deeper ugliness - opportunism, resentment or racism, who knows until they come clean - at the heart of the Obamas.

What do they believe in? After 20 years, only a fool would conclude that they do not believe in the venom that Rev. Wright peddles. The only other alternative explanation is that they found Rev. Wright politically expedient for 20 years. That seems implausible. Would they need him for so long? Even if he was useful to them for so long, such opportunism or willful stubborn allegiance to someone so odious is cause for alarm.

There is something rotten here.

Michelle Malkin has the NYT pegged right: America's Fish Wrap of Record.

Wow did I ever bollocks up my comment. Here is the part I wrote in response to brainwizard:

Uh, NO. The event in question was a large, diverse convention. The panel she sat on (yes, with Mrs. L Farrakhan) featured Shoshana Johnson who was a POW in Iraq, and is an upbeat, patriotic, and NOT racist woman from all appearances.

Larry Johnson made the whole thing up, hoping people like Limbaugh would get all atwitter, and hoping people like you would make comments on "conservative" blogs like this one. The only way that he, the NYT, and Obama can spin this as conservative bashing of Michelle Obama is if folks on our side play their game.

re: #27 Irene NYC

Yeah, I run into that sort of thing in SF a lot. My usual answer to such people, condescending as it may seem, goes something like, "You know, I'm a total stranger. You've just made a rather rash political statement, and seem to think I'm going to automatically nod my head in agreement with you, even though you don't know a single thing about my beliefs. Do you have any idea how presumptuous that is?"

re: #30 brainwizard73

Ever heard "it's not the crime that gets you, but the cover-up?" Sure you have.

The point isn't whether the tape exists at all, I agree with you there is a lot of other spew from both ends of the Obama house. The point is that any rational person in this situation, would issue the strongest possible denial of that behavior and speech and (especially given the issues facing Obama '08) would seek to reassure everyone that the Shrew would never say any such thing. Ever.

She can't or won't make that type of denial. It begs the question why.

Maybe she thinks it's beneath her.

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Totally.

re: #36 Bob in Breckenridge

Why did he choose you?

I have no idea. Maybe it was the crazed lizard look in my eyes?

Seriously, I think moonbats often just sense when they're facing someone who doesn't agree with them. Outside of Union Square today someone tried to hand me a pamphlet to support the Palestinians. We made eye contact and she tried to pull it out of my hands. Not one word was exchanged. I ripped it up and dropped it at her feet. She was mightily displeased.

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Maybe Watts is hoping for a job in an Obama administration.

Minister of Propaganda? Watts is a grade A hypocrite.

re: #21 brainwizard73

Yeah, I heard this a couple threads ago. if it is true, I'm disappointed and a little less impressed with J.C.Watts. I've been a fan of his since at least '94.

re: #47 Purple Prose

Facts do matter. This tape was the product of a fraudster, and he is not a conservative.

However, the tape was met with some excitement by the conservative blogosphere. LGF was emphatically NOT party to any of this.

By far the majority of "conservative bloggers" did NOT fall for this. Of the most popular blogs, I don't know of one that did. Some of them covered the story, but ONLY in the context of being extremely skeptical.

More recently his campaign has confronted persistent but unsubstantiated reports about Mrs. Obama using angry and derogatory language about white people.

Not recorded, that is.

re: #53 Irene NYC

I've stated here in the past that I believe a lot of these people get politics confused with group therapy. They want to vent and get automatic affirmation and support for it, no matter what they say.

re: #50 mikalm
Don't you just love the way liberals are so tolerant of anyone else's point of view?

/s

re: #38 funky chicken

The odds are... and not just for Michelle... but for most people, that they have strung a sentence together that had a non-complimentary term in it (e.g. whitey). And if she has used the term on some rare occasion, I actually probably wouldn't be all that offended. It would be crazy for BO's campaign (or anyone's for that matter in a similar situation) to deny ever ever using an ill-chosen word.

I would, however, be much more concerned if it was used in context of a larger narrative that was public.

Looking for a denial that she has never said the word "whitey" is pointless though and in this case, "distracting" (in my opinion).

re: #53 Irene NYC

I have no idea. Maybe it was the crazed lizard look in my eyes?

Seriously, I think moonbats often just sense when they're facing someone who doesn't agree with them. Outside of Union Square today someone tried to hand me a pamphlet to support the Palestinians. We made eye contact and she tried to pull it out of my hands. Not one word was exchanged. I ripped it up and dropped it at her feet. She was mightily displeased.

You're lucky she didn't do a citizens arrest on you for littering.

re: #58 mikalm

I've stated here in the past that I believe a lot of these people get politics confused with group therapy. They want to vent and get automatic affirmation and support for it, no matter what they say.

That's a really smart observation and something I'll keep in mind.
;)

re: #21 brainwizard73

Oh and for all you J.C. Watts fans out there; check out Newsmax.

According to that site, J.C. is considering voting for Obama. From the story:

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

A total and complete, gutless and racist sell out. Anyone that still thinks this guy is on the side of the good guys ought to check their meds.

Blech. Maybe JC Watts is one of those "True Conservatives" who can't tell that McCain is more conservative than Obama. It's an odd strain of MDS that's going around out there, where no matter what McCain does, it can never be right, or never be enough.

When he criticicized the recent SCOTUS decision, people were still showing up on blogs saying that he supported it, and would be thrilled blah blah.

McCain went to a big NAACP thing recently, didn't he? He's been touring and visiting with black Americans quite a lot. Your MDS "True Conservatives" just screech that he's proving that he's a big old liberal by doing it. And I guess JC Watts doesn't think it's enough.

re: #49 funky chicken

Yeah, got it.

First, I don't care who was on the panel as much as why the Shrew won't make the blanket "I've never said whitey..." statement. Now, someone suggested it was beneath her and that it could be a no-win situation from a political standpoint. I suppose I could see that, but given that she isn't exactly a woman in the briddle (i.e. won't be told what to do--you have to admire that) and given the totally normal human reaction to such a slur of reputation, I would have to be more out front.

Then again, by not being out front, the story dies (more or less) and the NYT can pin this whole thing on a bunch of nutty bloggers...

re: #61 Bob in Breckenridge

You're lucky she didn't do a citizens arrest on you for littering.

I would've told her it was Performance Art and to stuff it. Freedom of Expression and all that.
;)

On the job, their way

Fatuma Hassan has just enough rice in her near-empty cupboards to make it through the month. The anger she felt when she lost her job in May has given way to a dull, nagging hunger.

Yet this soft-spoken 22-year-old became an unlikely hero within the Somali community when she and five of her Muslim co-workers were dismissed last month from the Mission Foods tortilla factory in New Brighton for refusing to wear a new company uniform -- a shirt and pants -- they consider a violation of their Islamic beliefs.

"For me, wearing pants is the same as being naked," Hassan said, noting the prophet Mohammed taught that men and women should not dress alike. "My culture, my religious beliefs, are more important than a uniform."

Over the past century, Minnesota has seen waves of immigrants from Germany, Sweden, Norway and Laos, among other nations, and each group managed to move up the ladder of prosperity despite some initial doubts about their ability to integrate.

Yet nearly two decades after a violent civil war brought thousands of Somali refugees to the Twin Cities, their integration in the U.S. workplace is becoming more contentious.

/call the whaaambulance!

re: #65 Irene NYC

I would've told her it was Performance Art and to stuff it. Freedom of Expression and all that.
;)

LOL!

Well if you consider the NARRATIVE we are all evil anyway.. so why do we not just let them get their racist primary over with and let them blame us for all the evil?

re: #62 Irene NYC

Thanks.

So...let's take a deep breath and think about this. Messaih Obama starts an anti-smear web-site and proceeds to SMEAR EVERYONE.

While the NYT is the rag we all know it to be it is merely picking this crap up from Obambi's own site...

re: #6 Thanos

OT:
In case you missed this:

Quds force operatives responsible for Karbala Raid captured

Yes, but now they enjoy full Constitutional rights.

The rumor had legs because with Rev. Wright and his race based theology, and Michelle Obama's "the first time I have been proud of my country" hate speech, the existence of such a "whitey" rant was not too far fetched to be believable.

I think the NYT does more damage to the Obama campaign then not by bringing this up. It will only make more people think "but its believable, even if there is no tape."

re: #21 brainwizard73

Has the potential of being David Brock-esque, former writer for the American Spectator which was right of the National Review. But he was a closeted homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that - little Seinfeld reference there) and soon did a complete 180 - and then some. Now I think he works for Media Matters, if that is any indication.

re: #60 Pianobuff

I think we have a lot of people in this world that might have used a lot of course language when referring to others, but never used a racial slur.

re: #63 funky chicken

no matter what McCain does, it can never be right, or never be enough.

There are right wing equivalents of moonbats, you know.

re: #53 Irene NYC
Hey hi Irene! Yeah, there are certain places the "In you face Moonbats" tend to congregate and open air markets is a favorite and I don't understand that at all.
I mean, in a Starbucks or something, I might expect that (except I've never been inside a Starbucks) but the Open Air Markets? No one ever got in MY face about it, but comments were made - especially in the open air market near Lincoln Center about Bush being Hitler and all and I'd always chime in with a "do you realize how wrong you are, and by saying what you say you diminish the true EVIL that was Hitler?" That usually shut off the conversation really quickly!

Bosman and Broder, you ignorant sluts! The "whitey tape" rumor was started by pro-Hillary Democrats hoping to use the right-wing blogosphere to perpetuate the story and exaggerate it into something that would cause Obama to lose the nomination. Johnson fed the rumor like nothing else to the Dextrosphere, but the response was generally, "Gee, I wouldn't put something like this past Michelle Obama, but let's wait until we actually see the tape before we go bananas."

re: #66 Killian Bundy

On the job, their way

/call the whaaambulance!

Call ICE or Air Somalia (LOL!) . They can always go back home if they're so mistreated here.

in you face... moonbats.

re: #66 Killian Bundy

Now here's a nice diversionary quote:
"We have a saying in Somalia that 'he who approaches the lion does not know what a lion is,'" said Abdi Sheikhosman, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Minnesota. "Many Somalis arrive here not knowing the history of racial divide in this country. They don't know the lion they are up against."
I wonder if he would say the same if she refused to wear an army uniform because of the pants.

Let us just break it down to brass tacks... Would some one here get banned for saying "White Jews greed runs a world in need" in stead of "White Folks greed runs a world in need"?

I do hope so... but yet someone who is running for President has not only said it but writes his book with that in it.

In Rush's defense, he didn't talk about the 'whitey' tape and gloat about it's existence. All he did was mention that Bob Boeckle said that he was 'afraid' that this rumor might be true. Bob's statement, itself, was likely a set-up, but Rush did little more than mention the mention, if that makes sense. I listen to him on a daily basis, and never once did he say anything regarding this issue that was not based upon what someone on the left had said.

I am getting really sick and tired of people twisting Rush's words beyond recognition.

re: #76 realwest

Hi real! Hope you're doing well. I got caught in a horrendous downpour today by Union Square. I laughed all the way home. Made me feel like I was 7 years old again.

Of course moonbats are at the farmers' markets - they're all into green living, not buying from "the man" and all that. Pretentious jerks, the lot of them.

re: #73 kevinmumaw

I wonder if J.C. has kids to put through college or something and his current gig, whatever that might be, isn't paying the bills. It sounds like a man looking for a paycheck.

The most gutless part is that he was a 1994 guy, and says he doesn't agree with Obama on policy...so what is the draw? The guy is bi-racial and looks black. So, I guess every white or mostly white person in America, even if they don't agree with McCain, should vote for him without feeling any racial guilt whatsoever, right?

J.C. Watts is our new Moses!

re: #65 Irene NYC
Performance Art! LOL - I gotta remember that one!

re: #82 BGOH

I listen to Rush and am a fan but anyone mentioning scurilous accusations like this deserves blame.
IMHO.

re: #56 Charles

By far the majority of "conservative bloggers" did NOT fall for this. Of the most popular blogs, I don't know of one that did. Some of them covered the story, but ONLY in the context of being extremely skeptical.

IIRC, the story even got some (limited) mention in the major media.

Speaking of false accusations, which newspaper of record recently published an article effectively alleging sexual infidelity on the part of McCain, with nothing of substance to back it up?

IMO that was far worse that the slurs against Michelle Obama.

re: #76 realwest

Another factor: the implicit self-aggrandizement. If Bush is Hitler, and we're living in a police state, then it makes them look like brave resisters who Speak Truth to Power, rather than cranky, paranoid contrarians.

re: #73 kevinmumaw

Has the potential of being David Brock-esque, former writer for the American Spectator which was right of the National Review. But he was a closeted homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that - little Seinfeld reference there) and soon did a complete 180 - and then some. Now I think he works for Media Matters, if that is any indication.

Then there was his book "Blinded By The Right", making it seem as if he was hypnotized to be a republican. What an asshole.

re: #79 WindHorse

...now that's performance art...

re: #66 Killian Bundy

The killer for me is that individually everyone of these people I have met have been good people. I have even represented them in immigration proceedings.

[ducks NERF brick]

It is when they get together and let some "community leader" run things that it all goes to hell. At least that is my take.

re: #85 realwest

Performance Art! LOL - I gotta remember that one!

Well, I do live right by Performance Space 122 where anything (think Karen Finley) passes for "Performance Art."
;)

re: #74 brainwizard73

You may be right, although I'm not sure how one could ever be sure. I guess I'm just saying that demanding blanket denial of ever having made that utterance in 40+ years is not something worth pursuing. OTOH, as I mentioned, if it is part of a larger story that might be different.

Either way, so far there is nothing credible to say the latter is the case.

re: #82 BGOH

In Rush's defense, he didn't talk about the 'whitey' tape and gloat about it's existence. All he did was mention that Bob Boeckle said that he was 'afraid' that this rumor might be true. Bob's statement, itself, was likely a set-up, but Rush did little more than mention the mention, if that makes sense. I listen to him on a daily basis, and never once did he say anything regarding this issue that was not based upon what someone on the left had said.

I am getting really sick and tired of people twisting Rush's words beyond recognition.

Exactly right, BGOH! And ALL Hannity said was that others said he was holding it, and he denied it. He NEVER said it. They're paranoid.

Hi Funky!

Yeah, I'm Sekhmet over at HA myself. And I think quite a few of the MDSers are probably liberal mobies and Ronulans myself.

Conservative Bloggers' Spread Michelle Obama Video Rumor
is akin to Scooter Libby outing Plame.

I listen to Rush and him talking about it is spreading the rumor...

re: #84 brainwizard73

Actually, I believe he has like 9 kids or something out of the ordinary like that. I've decided that if I ever am down and out and completely destitute, I will use my army service and conservative background to come out as a commie leftists and make a fortune on the college talking head circuit. Or write a book about how Rove personally ordered me to invade Iraq and steal oil while raping and pillaging in the name of Israel. I'm sure to get a positive review in NY Slimes. And that equals instant wealth and cocktail parties in San Francisco and Manhattan.

I subscribe to the Sunday New York Times, because there is so much great stuff in the inner sections. William Safire, in the Times Magazine, is brilliant, and a brilliant writer. Or if your livelihood involves the arts, you probably need to see what some of their writers are saying, from time to time.
But the "A" section, and most of the rest, is absolutely embarrassing. Knee-jerk reactionary, liberal-agenda-driven reports that--and this is what is appalling--passes for news. The only redeeming quality is that those sections are from quality paper stock, and serve our dogs well Monday through Saturday.

re: #72 Syrah Excellent observation Syrah.
When I first saw that - undisputed - "Michelle Obama's "the first time I have been proud of my country" hate speech" that sorta sealed the deal for me. I won't waste everyone's time with what an ingrate she is, or in what other nation she could have received the education and jobs and money she has, but that one statement told me "I don't want this person to be the First Lady of the United States."
Still and all, on topic, the NYSlimes is absolutely clueless about the "conservative blogshphere" spreading this bullshit.

re: #89 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, that was his job interview for Soros.

re: #86 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I listen to Rush and am a fan but anyone mentioning scurilous accusations like this deserves blame.
IMHO.

OK, first of all, how can you claim with such certainty that these accusations are, in fact, "scurilous? Whether "such a tape" exists, I don't understand the basis of someone making such a claim when the only claim to the contrary has come from the most secretive, repressive presidential campaign in American history.

re: #92 Irene NYC

Well, I do live right by Performance Space 122 where anything (think Karen Finley) passes for "Performance Art."
;)

It is sort of a catch-all term for any kind of weird or random behavior.

Last week a not-all-here acquaintance of mine decided to celebrate the gorgeously sunny Bay Area day by going to a San Francisco public park and dancing stark naked in front of hundreds of stunned office workers and tourists. When the cops arrived and got her back into her clothes, she told them she was doing -- you guessed it -- Performance Art!

(She's actually a very nice young woman, but her judgment about things like this leaves a lot to be desired...)

re: #97 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Technically, by your logic, you are spreading the rumor right now...

That fight the smears site is set up to smear the right with rumors that were more than likely generated out of Hillary's camp... WTF?

Rush Limbaugh reporting on a rumor that was generated by a Hillary underling is a right-wing smear?

re: #100 realwest

I think it should worry the Obama campaign that the rumor was so believable.

re: #105 Earthwirm

Don't forget, Hillary is a Repub now!

/DKos

re: #93 Pianobuff

You may be right, although I'm not sure how one could ever be sure. I guess I'm just saying that demanding blanket denial of ever having made that utterance in 40+ years is not something worth pursuing. OTOH, as I mentioned, if it is part of a larger story that might be different.

Either way, so far there is nothing credible to say the latter is the case.

Let me lay out a few guidelines on racial slurs that will narrow it for the Shrew:

1. If you did it before the age of 18, you get a pass. Kids and teens are idiots by nature and sometimes tell jokes and say things just to hear them out loud...doesn't automatically mean that they are bigots; usually just ignorant or silly.

2. If you did it in writing or fixed in some other medium (VHS) you are on really thin ice but you still might get a pass if you have a good excuse.

3. Using the Federal Rules of Evidence on past felony convictions as a guideline, if you have used a racial slur in the last ten years (if she is in her 40s that goes back to her 30s) you have some explaining to do.

Asking the Shrew to give that type of denial shouldn't be hard. If she has been using racial slurs since she left grad school, in the last 10 years, that is material.

re: #97 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I listen to Rush and him talking about it is spreading the rumor...

Depends upon the context.

If he says there's this rumor that this tape exists, but I don't know if it's true, then it's spreading the rumor.

BUT, if he says he doesn't believe it, because if it existed Hillary would have used it already, that's a whole different ballgame.

re: #47 Purple Prose

LGF was emphatically NOT party to any of this.

It was never the subject of an article, and it was never promulgated here, but there was much discussion/speculation about it in the posts.

But honestly, with such a provocative rumor swirling around, how could there not be?

Most of the discussion came down on the side of "I'll believe it when I see it" with some speculation about what it could mean if the video in question actually existed.

re: #107 BGOH

Don't forget, Hillary is a Repub now!

/DKos

I believe the term is Repug...or Rethug depending on your sexual orientation.

re: #105 Earthwirm

Does Columbus have a station broadcasting Rush? Mark Levine?

Evening all! Happy fathers day for all the dads out there!
/ PS Frack the NYT!

re: #103 mikalm

Great minds think alike!

(ahem...)

re: #98 kevinmumaw

We'd have to do a "True Hollywood Story" on you.

Well, my schedule changed again, so I'm off to bed so my butt's not dragging in the AM

Weet dreams, all!

re: #112 Roentgen

I am in Cincinnati now. 550 broadcasts Rush, though I don't get to listen to him too much except at lunch. Mark Levin is tape delayed. I really wish they'd kick Savage to the curb and put Levin in his spot. Then all of Boortz in Levin's slot now.

re: #115 brainwizard73

We'd have to do a "True Hollywood Story" on you.

Sweet. Because like 95% of Americans, I do suffer from "Look at Me" syndrome. Maybe a VH1 Behind the Scenes episode.

re: #116 RememberSekhmet?

Night, RS!

Rush's own site pretty clearly documents what he did in fact say. Clearly he is not the problem here.

Night real, night all.

re: #116 RememberSekhmet?

I hope you meant Sweet, and not Wet. Me too. Nighty Night all.

The left never lets facts get in the way of a typical leftist lie.

The left is a disease, worse than all diseases known to man, combined, with no known cure.

Unreal.

re: #121 Irene NYC

Goodnight, Irene (that's a song!)

re: #118 kevinmumaw

Sweet. Because like 95% of Americans, I do suffer from "Look at Me" syndrome. Maybe a VH1 Behind the Scenes episode.

Yeah, and when they interview me I could say...

"You know, for the first time in my lifetime, I can say I am really proud of my country."

re: #111 kevinmumaw

I believe the term is Repug...or Rethug depending on your sexual orientation.

Geez, Hillary now also? My cut of the Zionest checks I never get gets smaller and smaller as each day goes by. Oh, the irony!

re: #88 mikalm Yeah, it may make them look, to each other, as if they are "Speaking Truth To Power" but in the REAL world, the are nothing but cranky, paranoid contrarians. Period.

AND here's a GREAT question to ask 'em: "Gee yeah, things are really crappy, that's why I work for free for [bill in the blank] Charity. Which charity or charities do you work for?"
As God is my witness, I've stated and asked that question of a least 10 moonbats when I lived in NYC and all I got was a blank stare or a mumbled I work for governmental change or some such shit.
The idea of them actually HELPING other people in need, instead of trying to get the Government to do it has NEVER entered their nanny state "progressive" minds.

re: #117 Earthwirm

Michael Savage gets on my nerves, like nails on a chalkboard.

re: #121 Irene NYC

Night real, night all.

Night John-Boy... : )

re: #111 kevinmumaw

I believe the term is Repug...or Rethug depending on your sexual orientation.

You're right, Kevin. I seem to be slipping on my KosKid lingo.

I'm not sure that I feel so bad about that, though. lol

re: #92 Irene NYC
GACK! I gotta go to sleep soon and you went ahead and actually said KAREN FINLEY?! Bleech!

re: #97 SecretInternetDoucheBag

I listen to Rush and him talking about it is spreading the rumor...

That's true, but he didn't originate the rumor.

Obama's site claims that Limbaugh said the tape existed. Did he actually say that, or did he say that the RUMOR existed?

Its not a meaningless difference.

I suspect JC Watts claims his vote will go to Obama because he is the founder and Chairman of a new network called The Black Television News Channel. I don't think he wants to begin this venture alienating 90% of his viewers. I'm betting in the privacy of the booth he'll pull the lever for McCain.

When I saw Larry Johnson's name associated with this, I immediately became suspicious. You can't take anybody with a bad rug like his seriously.

re: #131 realwest

She's trying to give us all nightmares!

Someone ought to create a site documenting the smears in Obama's "Fight the Smears".

Like it would surprise anyone if Michelle Obama railed against "whitey" at the church of Satan in Chicago!

Sheesh!

re: #128 Syrah

Yes. I avoid listening to him if possible. Not much else on at drivetime though. I usually tune into 610 or 1290 instead.

re: #132 looking closely

Boy, you sure are LOOKING CLOSELY at that situation, unlike some other DOUCHEBAGS I know.

HAHA! I keed, I keed.

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Ladies and Gentlemen:

J.C. Watts; a profile in courage.

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect JC Watts claims his vote will go to Obama because he is the founder and Chairman of a new network called The Black Television News Channel. I don't think he wants to begin this venture alienating 90% of his viewers. I'm betting in the privacy of the booth he'll pull the lever for McCain.

Selling his soul for forty acres and a mule, as it were. Sad.

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

I think you may be right about that.
That makes some sense to me.

Obama better get on his half-brother's case from Kenya, he's spreading the rumor that Obama has a muslim background!

re: #137 republic

Given the number of people righteously offended at the bigoted screeds at my.barackbuddy.com, I suspect a lot of people in the Obama side of things would look hard at what they see in this guy.

The first I heard of it was on Fox when I think a democrate (Bob Beckel?) said something was coming, this was just before the Hilderbeast quit the race. Then not a word until the right blogs I read begain to debunk it.

re: #110 looking closely

It was never the subject of an article, and it was never promulgated here, but there was much discussion/speculation about it in the posts.

But honestly, with such a provocative rumor swirling around, how could there not be?

Most of the discussion came down on the side of "I'll believe it when I see it" with some speculation about what it could mean if the video in question actually existed.

Some of my comments would have possibly led many to believe that I believed the tape exists. I couldn't help myself. I'm such an optimist.
:)

re: #144 brainwizard73

Given the number of people righteously offended at the bigoted screeds at my.barackbuddy.com, I suspect a lot of people in the Obama side of things would look hard at what they see in this guy.

Is Obama answering to his half brothers claim that Obama has a Muslim background?

It's under the bus for his half bro.

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

When I saw Larry Johnson's name associated with this, I immediately became suspicious. You can't take anybody with a bad rug like his seriously.

/Fixed. They're All bad. Even that Morrie guy from Goodfellas...

re: #143 Earthwirm

Obama better get on his half-brother's case from Kenya, he's spreading the rumor that Obama has a muslim background!

Smear: My idiot brother says I'm Muslim

Truth: That's not the brother I knew

re: #143 Earthwirm

Will the Obama bus have to get shipped to Nairobi so the half-brother can get tossed under it?

re: #144 brainwizard73

Given the number of people righteously offended at the bigoted screeds at my.barackbuddy.com, I suspect a lot of people in the Obama side of things would look hard at what they see in this guy.

It's been pretty easy to see thus far, that Obama is an empty suit, propped up by George Soros.

re: #140 brainwizard73

Ladies and Gentlemen:

J.C. Watts; a profile in discourage.

/Lot'so fixing tonight!

re: #145 gwillie

The first I heard of it was on Fox when I think a democrate (Bob Beckel?) said something was coming, this was just before the Hilderbeast quit the race. Then not a word until the right blogs I read begain to debunk it.

Exactamundo. Boeckle was the one that brought it up in the mainstream press. Everyone else that mentioned it did it as a result of the perceived 'credibility' that Boeckle wields. Not that I think he has any credibility, mind you, but when an operative of his level mentions something, people pay attention.

Truth is, unfortunately many of us conservative bloggers did indeed "spread" the rumor, though we did not initiate it.

And, among the conservative bloggers who did buy the rumor would be yours truly.

Gotta put that crow in a pot and cook it up.

re: #147 republic

Is Obama answering to his half brothers claim that Obama has a Muslim background?

It's under the bus for his half bro.

I haven't heard anything from Der Kommisarren at Obama '08, but you are right--half brother should get ready to eat pavement...or since it is Kenya, it could be the grass.

re: #94 Bob in Breckenridge

Exactly right, BGOH! And ALL Hannity said was that others said he was holding it, and he denied it. He NEVER said it. They're paranoid.

I'm really starting to wonder if this bullshit phony tape story wasn't really a "set-up" by Hillary, thinking the VWRC would take it and run with it and ruin or at least slow down, Obama's run for the nomination?
I mean, honestly, it seems to me that everyone agrees that Larry Johnson started this rumor, Hannity flat out denied he had any tape like that, Rush didn't say he had it but someone else was supposed to, and on and on - but the NYT said the
"Conservative Blogs" were responsible and I just never saw that anywhere - certainly LGF stayed away from the story and those other conservative blogs that I visit from time to time (Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Jihad Watch) never did anything more than say it would be devasting to Obama IF it were true - LET'S SEE THE TAPE. Honestly I don't think ANY conservative bloggers pushed the story that the tape was real, they just questioned it's existence and wanted to hear it BEFORE they said anything.

re: #108 brainwizard73

Sounds more reasonable, and IF there is evidence it would be pretty damning. In absence of credible evidence, though, it gives more credence to claims of witch-hunting when one over-parses the denial to a rumor that, according to current thinking anyway, has no basis in fact. If there is no tape (and there's no reason to think otherwise at this time) it could have a negative rebounding effect.

re: #149 LookingAround

Smear: My idiot brother says I'm Muslim

Truth: That's not the brother I knew

Being that he's in Kenya, it's under the ox-drawn cart with him. Good thing since the underside of the bus is getting crowded!

Wasn't Larry Johnson really hurting for money?

Maybe Soros paid him off for the "tape".

Yet liberal blogs are responsible for thousands of unwarranted smears against conservatives of all stripes, yet we don't get articles in the NY Slimes. Heck the NY Slimes prints said rumors as true stories and facts.

re: #154 Pastorius

Difference, however, between representing the fact as "true" and simply wondering about what it is and/or hoping that it is true.

I hoped it might be true. Does that mean I have to eat crow? Or, is that just for actual bloggers?

The Obama campaign need say the rumor is a Rush creation.
1) it adds credibility to the fact it's only rumor 2) it takes blame away from the true originator within his party.

re: #108 brainwizard73

Let me lay out a few guidelines on racial slurs that will narrow it for the Shrew:

1. If you did it before the age of 18, you get a pass. Kids and teens are idiots by nature and sometimes tell jokes and say things just to hear them out loud...doesn't automatically mean that they are bigots; usually just ignorant or silly.

2. If you did it in writing or fixed in some other medium (VHS) you are on really thin ice but you still might get a pass if you have a good excuse.

3. Using the Federal Rules of Evidence on past felony convictions as a guideline, if you have used a racial slur in the last ten years (if she is in her 40s that goes back to her 30s) you have some explaining to do.

Asking the Shrew to give that type of denial shouldn't be hard. If she has been using racial slurs since she left grad school, in the last 10 years, that is material.

This is a wild, uninformed, uneducated, "I-i-i-i-i-i-i-i dunno fer shur" guess, but I think she's probably been using racial slurs for her entire life. She was raised that way and schooled that way in her "church." And she has made it her life's work to study and practice racism as best she can in her adult life.

/jus' sayin'

re: #158 Bob in Breckenridge

That's gonna be one messy cart!

re: #160 Earthwirm

Yet liberal blogs are responsible for thousands of unwarranted smears against conservatives of all stripes, yet we don't get articles in the NY Slimes. Heck the NY Slimes prints said rumors as true stories and facts.

9/11 troofer rumors have had unlimited airtime for about 6 years.

re: #80 jaunte

Now here's a nice diversionary quote:
"We have a saying in Somalia that 'he who approaches the lion does not know what a lion is,'" said Abdi Sheikhosman, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Minnesota. "Many Somalis arrive here not knowing the history of racial divide in this country. They don't know the lion they are up against."
I wonder if he would say the same if she refused to wear an army uniform because of the pants.

Because Minnesota is such a hotbed of racial/tribal hatred compared to the Islamic paradise of Somalia. Really fellas, please feel free to return "home."

I'm pretty sure enough Minnesotans remember "Blackhawk Down" well enough to understand that Somalia ain't heaven.

re: #106 Syrah Absolutely. And I'll bet the campaign has been worried plenty about it, too.
This NYT story won't give them much comfort, either, cause it's gonna cause this apparent "non-story" to be A story about Obama's wife.

#161 Brainwizard

Good point. I didn't actually say it was true. I reported on the rumor.

Still, I should not have done it.

The Obama Smear site really needs to clean-up the way it presents issues. The site really screws up all the facts about the smears/rumors. HOW...can they fault ANYONE? They appear to be more loose lipped than anyone.

re: #157 Pianobuff

Sounds more reasonable, and IF there is evidence it would be pretty damning. In absence of credible evidence, though, it gives more credence to claims of witch-hunting when one over-parses the denial to a rumor that, according to current thinking anyway, has no basis in fact. If there is no tape (and there's no reason to think otherwise at this time) it could have a negative rebounding effect.

I see what you are saying. In fairness, I don't think that we should be able to go on a fishing expedition with random questions like "have you ever used a racial slur?". If we have a reason to suspect such a slur (i.e. a tape) then we deserve an answer. Still, however, if the campaign wanted to put this to bed totally, it might be better to be more forceful.

re: #110 looking closely

It was never the subject of an article, and it was never promulgated here, but there was much discussion/speculation about it in the posts.

But honestly, with such a provocative rumor swirling around, how could there not be?

Most of the discussion came down on the side of "I'll believe it when I see it" with some speculation about what it could mean if the video in question actually existed.

Yes, there was quite a bit of discussion in our comments about it - and if you go back and check, you'll find more than one comment from me trying to get people to stop buying the rumor and pointing out that it originated with Larry "Kos Kid" Johnson. I even deleted a couple of spinoff links about it, to try to prevent LGF from being used to spread the rumor.

It was a dirty trick, and it was obvious to me from the word go.

AAhhh, home from work.

Hello everyone.

LeePro :)

re: #168 Pastorius

#161 Brainwizard

Good point. I didn't actually say it was true. I reported on the rumor.

Still, I should not have done it.

WTF DID YOU DO WRONG?!?!

Jesus! Why do conservatives feel so bad about themselves so damned much?!?!

I don't mean to over-react, but this is getting simply ridonkulous.

re: #162 unrealizedviewpoint

The Obama campaign need say the rumor is a Rush creation.
1) it adds credibility to the fact it's only rumor 2) it takes blame away from the true originator within his party.

It's best not to mess with Rush.

Remember the last time Dingy Harry Reid messed with Rush?

Rush raised like $2.5 million from the Dingy Harry Reid letter and made Reid look more stupid than he already does, which is difficult.

re: #135 wolfie Well I hope the hell she didn't succeed with either one of us! LOL!

re: #128 Syrah

Michael Savage gets on my nerves, like nails on a chalkboard.

I called into his show two times, and both times got cut off while I was on hold (after being screened) waiting for Savage. One time when I was calling to correct him about putting tariffs on Japanese and Korean cars (I was going to point out that many Japanese cars are built here in the U.S., and that Hyundai is building here now, too).

re: #156 realwest

I'm really starting to wonder if this bullshit phony tape story wasn't really a "set-up" by Hillary, thinking the VWRC would take it and run with it and ruin or at least slow down, Obama's run for the nomination?I mean, honestly, it seems to me that everyone agrees that Larry Johnson started this rumor, Hannity flat out denied he had any tape like that, Rush didn't say he had it but someone else was supposed to, and on and on - but the NYT said the
"Conservative Blogs" were responsible and I just never saw that anywhere - certainly LGF stayed away from the story and those other conservative blogs that I visit from time to time (Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Jihad Watch) never did anything more than say it would be devasting to Obama IF it were true - LET'S SEE THE TAPE. Honestly I don't think ANY conservative bloggers pushed the story that the tape was real, they just questioned it's existence and wanted to hear it BEFORE they said anything.

Yep. And/Or it was Larry Johnson's pathetic attempt to prove his loyalty to his own party even though he'd been a Hillary supporter. Remember, Larry Johnson hates conservatives a whole lot more than Obama.

But it was truly dumb for any conservatives anywhere to even mention it, or send traffic to Larry Johnson's website.

re: #112 Roentgen

Does Columbus have a station broadcasting Rush? Mark Levine?

Says here WTVN - 610 - 12p-3p

re: #143 Earthwirm
Hey, y'all got a link to that - that Obama's half-brother is spreading the word that Obama is a Muslim?

re: #156 realwest

I don't know about this Larry Johnson guy, I'd never heard of him until this rumor started, and Rush and Hannity mentioned him as the possible source, but Charles has said he has no credibility (Like Debka?), so I'll believe that. I would doubt Clinton's campaign would start it since the minute they couldn't prove it they'd be history.

Charles,

Is Rove working for Obama now!

re: #66 Killian Bundy

Now here's a nice diversionary quote:
"We have a saying in Somalia that 'he who approaches the lion does not know what a lion is,'" said Abdi Sheikhosman, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Minnesota. "Many Somalis arrive here not knowing the history of racial divide in this country. They don't know the lion they are up against."

I get SO sick of these dickhead ivory tower professors and their crap about the "racial divide." I live in Kansas City, right in the heart of "bitter religious xenophobic gun owner country" and every once in a while go to eat at Hometown Buffet. The place is regularly filled with equal parts whites, blacks, and hispanics, and even the occasional Muslim family complete with women in sacks. Everyone is friendly and polite and respectful to everyone else and there is no evidence of racial tension whatsoever. However, assholes like this are bound and determined to perpetuate the myth that there is, and to set us against each other no matter how many lies it takes.

If Obama were sure there was no tape, he'd say: show us the tape. And, when the tape didn't immediately surface the story would have died. Here we are months later and the story lives.

..and, why the hell can't this Obama character ever look us, or the camera straight on. Hey Barry, look me in the eyes. What do you fear I will see or be able to tell?

re: #170 brainwizard73

Definitely agreed. But who knows, the weak denial may actually be a honey pot to keep the righty blogs talking about this which will do a couple of things:

1) Provide credence to those that are reporting on this that it is a righty rumor
2) Align perfectly with the stories they are getting out that the Republicans are gearing up for the attack on MO.

good night everyone.

re: #117 Earthwirm

I am in Cincinnati now. 550 broadcasts Rush, though I don't get to listen to him too much except at lunch. Mark Levin is tape delayed. I really wish they'd kick Savage to the curb and put Levin in his spot. Then all of Boortz in Levin's slot now.

Join Rush 24/7 and you can download all three hours to iTunes. Listen later!

re: #179 realwest

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #183 unrealizedviewpoint

Makes you wonder what he said when he first heard about the rumor.

"Honey, is there a tape . . . "

re: #183 unrealizedviewpoint

If Obama were sure there was no tape, he'd say: show us the tape. And, when the tape didn't immediately surface the story would have died. Here we are months later and the story lives.

..and, why the hell can't this Obama character ever look us, or the camera straight on. Hey Barry, look me in the eyes. What do you fear I will see or be able to tell?

Tele prompters to the left and right of me...

re: #159 republic

Wasn't Larry Johnson really hurting for money?

Maybe Soros paid him off for the "tape".

You're assuming there's only one. If he did have one, and then came with another copy, would Soros say: "I paid (bribed) him for that tape! It's mine! You have no right to see it"

re: #163 LeePro

Your take could be totally 100% right on. If so, that is a big *bleepin'* problem.

Imagine two years from now when President Obama goes to Tehran to meet with the Iranians and Michelle slips into her version of racial Tourettes Snydrome?

In fairness, we don't know how she is. That is my point since the beginning of the post. Why not make the blanket denial?

Unless you can't.

re: #181 Earthwirm

Charles,

Is Rove working for Obama now!

Ixnay... it's a double reverse end and around... see VRWC memo #t-347A. Second paragraph.

re: #154 Pastorius
"Truth is, unfortunately many of us conservative bloggers did indeed "spread" the rumor," Well I have to disagree with you there. As I said above, my reaction was "where's the damn tape"?! I honestly did believe it could exist, given Michelle's prior statements and that she was just as "tight" with Rev. Wright, but when I discussed it, it was always in the context of "where's the damn tape!"
Now if that's what you mean that "we" spread the rumor, well you're just incorrect: we simply wanted to see the video and see if in fact she said what Larry Johnson tried to pass off as her saying.
It's true that that may have kept the story alive, but it sure didn't start it and didn't push it at all, just questioned whether or not it even existed.

re: #190 Bob in Breckenridge

You're assuming there's only one. If he did have one, and then came with another copy, would Soros say: "I paid (bribed) him for that tape! It's mine! You have no right to see it"

Or listen to it. : )

Larry Johnson is a proven liar. He gives me the willies, anyway, but the fact is - he is a liar - he has zero cred. So anything that comes from him as a source - I'm not going to go there, speculate, or anything else.

re: #188 Syrah

Makes you wonder what he said when he first heard about the rumor.

"Honey, is there a tape . . . "

And, then she threw the waffle iron at him.

re: #189 LookingAround

Tele prompters to the left and right of me...

Today I watched him give some talk without any teleprompter and he was doing it. He's gotten so comfortable looking off, past the camera, and past the audience. He doesn't want us looking into his eyes. I wonder why?

re: #196 MandyManners

And, then she threw the waffle iron at him.

ouch.

re: #196 MandyManners

And, then she threw the waffle iron at him.

Dammit Bitchelle, I was gonna eat that waffle.

re: #80 jaunte

Crap, I missed this up above. Since when do we have professors of Islamic Law at the U of M? Do the females in class have to be burquaed? If you cheat on an exam does the prof slice your hand off?

Our tax dollars hard at work!

re: #194 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #190 Bob in Breckenridge

You're assuming there's only one. If he did have one, and then came with another copy, would Soros say: "I paid (bribed) him for that tape! It's mine! You have no right to see it"

Or listen to it. : )

Are you talking to yourself again?

/Heh, I figure I can bust your chops until midnight western.

re: #197 unrealizedviewpoint

Today I watched him give some talk without any teleprompter and he was doing it. He's gotten so comfortable looking off, past the camera, and past the audience. He doesn't want us looking into his eyes. I wonder why?

A good speaker makes eye contact in a way that makes you feel he/she looked right at you and spoke to you - even in a big crowd.

I think it's another thing he's not good at, pure and simple.

re: #196 MandyManners

Well played, Mandy. Very well played!

re: #184 Pianobuff

Definitely agreed. But who knows, the weak denial may actually be a honey pot to keep the righty blogs talking about this which will do a couple of things:

1) Provide credence to those that are reporting on this that it is a righty rumor
2) Align perfectly with the stories they are getting out that the Republicans are gearing up for the attack on MO.

You may have it.

Anything to keep the media and most of America away from the left-wing looney toon policies of the junior senator from Illinois...or just "junior".

re: #197 unrealizedviewpoint

Today I watched him give some talk without any teleprompter and he was doing it. He's gotten so comfortable looking off, past the camera, and past the audience. He doesn't want us looking into his eyes. I wonder why?

Um...er...Ahhh...um...um..I'll...er...get...um...b ack to you

re: #200 brainwizard73

Not just at U of M:
[Link: www.iumn.net...]

re: #172 AmeriDan

AAhhh, home from work.

Hello everyone.

LeePro :)

Hi, Dan! :)

re: #197 unrealizedviewpoint

Today I watched him give some talk without any teleprompter and he was doing it. He's gotten so comfortable looking off, past the camera, and past the audience. He doesn't want us looking into his eyes. I wonder why?

He is clearly looking for messages from God written on the convention center ceiling. Where else does a Messiah get talking points?

re: #205 lookingaround

Um...er...Ahhh...um...um..I'll...er...g et...um...back to you

It would cost the same over ten years as...as. The same as...wait. Hold on. I can't hear myself. I'm glad you're fired up!

/what an idiot

re: #164 BGOH

That's gonna be one messy cart!

So far, just his brother, but there's plenty of room for his Grandmother (and other relatives as necessary) on his dad's side. And the great thing is the ox-drawn carts don't need gas!

re: #177 funky chicken
"But it was truly dumb for any conservatives anywhere to even mention it, or send traffic to Larry Johnson's website."
Why was it dumb to mention it? Especially when the "story" was already out there on Hannity and on Rush and especially when the conservative blogs just asked, essentially, is it true?
That story in 1994 about the TANG memos made the rounds as pure rumor until Charles Johnson proved beyond all doubt, that the TANG memos were forgeries - and a deliberate attempt to throw an election to Kerry.

re: #210 Bob in Breckenridge

THEY'RE GREEN! HAHAHA! Great point!

Well, except for the carbon infested crap that falls out of the evil bums of the ox's.

Stupid evil bums!

re: #207 LeePro

Hi, Dan! :)

Howdy.

re: #201 AmeriDan

Are you talking to yourself again?

/Heh, I figure I can bust your chops until midnight western.

/It's the only way to have an intelligent conversation! : )

re: #179 realwest

Hey, y'all got a link to that - that Obama's half-brother is spreading the word that Obama is a Muslim?

Here ya go!

re: #204 brainwizard73

You may have it.

Anything to keep the media and most of America away from the left-wing looney toon policies of the junior senator from Illinois...or just "junior".

Exactly... at this point I'm very wary of hopping on rumors from strange places. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, yet there's still something that feels a little "meta" about all of this.

re: #206 jaunte

Not just at U of M:
[Link: www.iumn.net...]

The University has a few colleges and departments...here is my favorite:

2 - College of Quranic Sciences and Recitations
Department of Quranic Sciences
Department of Quranic Recitation

First off, can anyone square "Quranic" with "Science"? Not to turn this into an ID bit, but...huh?

Second, my favorite: How many of you go to college to learn verses...not to think...not to know what they mean or what they meant when they were written---no, memorization. These students are at something called a University and they are memorizing stuff. That's it.

I know a boatload of 6th graders that could do the same thing.

re: #180 Bob in Breckenridge Well I sorta agree with you and I don't agree with you - this was before Hillary suspended her campaign, remember and a Dem Operative - Bob Boeckle? - mentioned it on, I think Fox. If a Repub Operative had said it, I'd agree with you, but that's not my recollection of it at all.

re: #56 Charles

By far the majority of "conservative bloggers" did NOT fall for this. Of the most popular blogs, I don't know of one that did. Some of them covered the story, but ONLY in the context of being extremely skeptical.

That is to the credit of the major bloggers.

Still, comments abounded and for good reason. It was too easy to believe. A smoking gun or a sound bite are what our ADD media era demands.

Yet... We have something far more damning than a smoking gun. We have a smoking gun collection.

The Obamas were members of a racist church with a racist pastor for 20 years. This was no casual acquaintance. We all know Wright united Barack Hussein and Michelle in holy matrimony. Wright baptized their children. Barack titled a book after a Wright sermon.

The question is not about a hoax. The question is about Obama. The NYT and left-wing media may want to try to transfer all the uncomfortable questions about a 20-year relationship to the "opposition" but the facts remain, as well as the unanswered questions.

Why did Obama spend 20 out of his 47 years intimately associated with a racist church and racist pastor?

Has anyone been to one of those loon sites lately? You know, like Kos, or some other place that isn't worth my view?

It isn't really important.
I was just wondering if they're all still busy plagiarizing each other for that little masturbatory thrill running down their leg when they type the word asshat.

re: #212 BGOH

THEY'RE GREEN! HAHAHA! Great point!

Well, except for the carbon infested crap that falls out of the evil bums of the ox's.

Stupid evil bums!

/Channeling Algore

re: #216 Pianobuff

If you can't win on the issues, go to personality. Gee, that's exactly what he's doing.

re: #214 Bob in Breckenridge

/It's the only way to have an intelligent conversation! : )

Ouch... that's gonna leave a mark.

/slinks away

re: #215 LeePro

Here ya go!

Smear: Obama has been caught in a lie.

Truth: Obama has been caught in a lie.

re: #217 brainwizard73

Looking around for stories about Islamic law in Minnesota, I also found this paper with the obscure title of "Gendered Responses to Legal Pluralism":

This paper considers how Muslim Americans negotiate Islamic law and American law in their daily lives. To explore this issue, we conducted interviews and participant observation among recent Muslim immigrants to Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota. We supplement our analysis with a content analysis of Muslim scholarship, Islamic legal cases, and the Muslim popular press (including newspapers, websites, and "preachings" on cassette tapes). Using these sources, we explore Muslim migrant's active participation in constructing and challenging legality in their everyday struggles. Ultimately, we find that women and men have very different reactions to legal pluralism. In the family law realm, immigrant Muslim men are mostly "against" American law while "before" Sha'ria. Immigrant Muslim women are more likely to leverage the two legal systems: as they explain it, they are willing to use American law, but only to insure the protection of the rights which Sha'ria provides for them. Both Muslim men and women tend to perceive Sha'ria as a core component of their identities.

Link:[Link: www.allacademic.com...]

re: #215 LeePro

Here ya go!

Gina Cobb...Is she a "reliable source" as those of us in (LOL)media call them?

Open thread --->

re: #223 AmeriDan

Ouch... that's gonna leave a mark.

/slinks away

Note the sarc tag on my response! Nothing personal.

re: #222 brainwizard73

And BO's smear page is the 1st round of vaccinations.

re: #188 Syrah

Makes you wonder what he said when he first heard about the rumor.

"Honey, is there a tape . . . "

To which she would reply (complete with chin-thrust-snarl), "Hell no, ass wad. Now sit down, shut up and do what you're told. I'm almost in the White House."

/snort

re: #225 jaunte

Looking around for stories about Islamic law in Minnesota, I also found this paper with the obscure title of "Gendered Responses to Legal Pluralism":

Goal #6 of the Islamic University of Minnesota in Minneapolis:

Reach out to non-Muslims within the American society and contribute to educating them about the truth of the Islamic faith so as to leap over all the obstacles encumbering cultural and intellectual harmony. This will be attained by getting in touch with cultural, religious and social institution and take part in preparing conventions, symposia, fora and seminars that reinforces such goal.

Now what, precisely, the hell does that mean?

re: #232 brainwizard73

Goal #6 of the Islamic University of Minnesota in Minneapolis:

Reach out to non-Muslims within the American society and contribute to educating them about the truth of the Islamic faith so as to leap over all the obstacles encumbering cultural and intellectual harmony. This will be attained by getting in touch with cultural, religious and social institution and take part in preparing conventions, symposia, fora and seminars that reinforces such goal.

Now what, precisely, the hell does that mean?

d: Can't we all just get along?

I find this amusing, given the overwhelming evidence that Michelle Obama was a member of a racist church for some twenty years and that she subjected her kids to it, it is rather odd to see any such tape as adding anything more. I mean, the cat is already out of the bag. What more do they want, giant red arrows with the tag line "Yes, I'm a racist"?

This is a red herring, folx.

re: #225 jaunte

Here's an interesting blog on Islam and the law... although its not from from Minnesota.

re: #233 Capitalist Tool

The multi media presentation shows "our first class" of all women, being taught by a woman...in a full veil.

Well it's been grand as usual folks but I gotta go to bed now.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and I want to wish all LGFer's who are fathers a HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!
And I hope I get the chance to see all of you down the road!

re: #227 Bob in Breckenridge

Gina Cobb...Is she a "reliable source" as those of us in (LOL)media call them?

Melanie Phillips suit you any better? Scroll down some for her sources.

Bob Beckel baited this on June 3rd. I've always thought higher of Beckel than the average moonbat. I've seen numerous cases of intellectual honesty from Beckel. And he does this.

Thanks for lying Bob, I'll remember that.

The NYT can not be trusted.

‘NY Times Blames 'Conservative Blogs' for the 'Whitey Tape' Fraud’

Charles, the NYT and their friends are masters of slinging Poo at partisan foes then invoking the “Who flung Poo” and “It was you” argument.

The NYT is a liberal fever swamp and nothing more.

re: #236 brainwizard73

The multi media presentation shows "our first class" of all women, being taught by a woman...in a full veil.

You mean like this veil or this veil?

re: #47 Purple Prose
Actually, it is unreasonable to expect that Obama believes that Rev. Wright baloney.

There is a tendency in the African-American community to rhetoric dissociated from reality, rhetoric that no one, not the speaker, and not the listener, believes at all.

I've seen it. The enthusiastic yea-saying etc, from people who know full well that it's BS from top to bottom. Stuff that if you did believe it, you'd leave the country, or buy disaster supplies and head for the outback, or whatever. Which they haven't done.

This isn't unique to the U.S. Some Arab countries can top that style of over the top rhetoric 7 days a week and twice on Friday.

The Obamas are smart and fairly well educated. They cannot possibly believe this nonsense about how whitey invented AIDS to kill of blacks. Just for instance.

They know, as everyone knows, really, that

(a) Whitey would never do any such thing.
(b) Nobody, not even Dr. Frankenstein, knows how to do such stuff. Much less, did anybody know how to do it when the first cases showed up.
(c) If AIDS is a weapon, it's not much of a weapon. Especially after whitey's, and everybody else's, best scientific efforts have taken some of the edge of instant lethality off it.

duck waddles into a bar and hops on a stool. The bartender snarls, "What'll you have?"

The duck says, "Got any grapes?"

The bartender spits and says "We don't have grapes here, we serve drinks, now get out!"

The duck hops off the stool and waddles out.

The next day, the same duck waddles into the same bar, hops on a stool, looks the bartender in the eye and asks, "Got any grapes?"

The bartender, irritated, says, "I told you yesterday we don't serve grapes here, we serve drinks, now GET OUT!"

The duck hops off the stool and waddles out.

The next day, the same duck waddles into the same bar and hops on a stool, looks at the bartender, and asks, "Got any grapes?"

The bartender, infuriated, pounds his fist on the bar and yells at the duck, "I told you two times we don't serve grapes here, we serve drinks! If you ask me that ONE
MORE TIME I'm going to nail your beak to the bar! NOW GET OUT!"

With that, the duck shrugged, hopped off the stool and waddled out.

The next day, the same duck waddled into the same bar, hopped on a stool, looked the bartender in the eye and asked, "Got any nails?"

The bartender, puzzled, said no.

The duck then looked him square in the eye and said, "Got any grapes?"

Ignore #243... wrong thread, sorry.

re: #240 Ledger1

The NYT can not be trusted.

‘NY Times Blames 'Conservative Blogs' for the 'Whitey Tape' Fraud’

Charles, the NYT and their friends are masters of slinging Poo at partisan foes then invoking the “Who flung Poo” and “It was you” argument.

The NYT is a liberal fever swamp and nothing more.

You've been here for three years, and you don't know that Charles (and WE) KNOW this?!?!?!?

And yes I believed him.

(Beckel)

re: #6 Thanos

Good catch Thanos.

I believe that his is a blatant act of war by Iran. Others dismiss it for various reasons (they don’t want to bomb Iran or they don’t want boots on the ground in Iran and so on).

My assertion is we should not take any military alternative off the table. The main goal is to modify Iran’s behavior of killing American soldiers – which I doubt will come through “negotiations” with Iran.

Here is the damning information on the Iranian attack upon US soldiers:

...the layout of the governor's compound in Karbala, Iraq, that was attacked in January by a specialized unit that killed American and Iraqi soldiers," Michael Mecham reported in the In Orbit section of the magazine. "The U.S. believes the discovery indicates Iran was heavily involved in the attack, which relied on a fake motorcade to gain entrance to the compound. The duplicate layout in Iran allowed attackers to practice procedures to use at the Iraqi compound, the Defense Dept. believes."

An American military officer confirmed to us the report is accurate
the British Ahwazi Friendship Society that Iran was using the "Arab populated city of Ahwaz, southwestern Iran, as a base of operations." The city of Ahwaz is in Khuzestan province, which borders the southern Iraqi province of Basra.

See: US find Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center mockup inside Iran

Way more dirt on Obama than Kerry.

No free pass for Chicago politicians.

Turn up the reverb all you want Obama.

McCain's town-hall proposal rejected

Chicken hawk running for President?

Say It Ain't So Obama.

War footage:
AH-60 Black Hawk helo takes out likely Quds force in Baghdad.

It used to be called the MH-60 DAP. Two 7.62 miniguns, 2.75 inch rocket pod and a 30mm chain gun.

(+ the new ones have a helmet cam-chin mounted 20mm gun)

Pic

Dear Charles Johnson,

You are the man.

Sincerely,

FQ Kafir

The fact that the author and promoter of this "whitey tape" hoax was the liberal information-seller-liar Larry Johnson is an inconvenient truth that The New York Times cannot deal with. So they fabricate lies to hide that inconvenient truth, and also to manufacture any lie to help their campaign to defeat conservatives. How low can they get?

Are you saying the drive-by NYTimes is dishonest? I don't think so, they would have to write stories like 'man is warming the planet' before I could believe something as far out as that.

Just thinking out loud. First I thought the Michelle O story was too good to be true and the source was too bad to be credible, though it fed into the truth of Michelle O's personality. (What did libs say about the ANG Bush story, NYSlimes, please remind me, story true even if facts didn't back it up. Glad we righties have some higher standards)
Thanks Charles for not falling for the poisoned bait. Wonder why those diligent sixteen levels of fact checkers at the Slimes could not find out that this was a story planted by the Clintons? Makes you wonder what they are being paid for?
As for the NYC Union Square Farmer's Market guy the poster should have retorted, that if it weren't for the so called police state, anyone there could just rip off all your produce and then who would you complain to? The police are keeping you safe so that you can sell your produce at maximum price like all good capitalist enterprises.

As for any African American conservative "quandry" about supporting neo marxist Obamanation, I believe this is just a hyped story to cause confusion in the ranks or to get blacks to think they are uncle toms if they don't support the Obamanation. They should think that eighty percent of blacks had no problems not voting for black conservative candidates in various state or federal elections. So they have no duty to vote for black liberal socialist candidates for president. If Che Guevera were alive and could run for President would latino conservatives say oh we should vote for him just because he's a latino and we might not get a chance to vote for a real latino for President again? That's not giving any hope or benefit of the doubt to the American public that they would vote for a qualified black or latino candidate for high office.

Also those conservatives of African American heritage are not looking at the downside, if the Obamanation is elected and has a failed presidency ala Djimmah Carter, that could set back any other black candidacy for a hundred years or more. That is not a risk worth taking.

re: #254 eaglewingz08

Would the country still exist a decade after Obama, much less a century?

re: #171 Charles
I absolutely remember you in particular putting up multiple skeptical posts explicitly calling into question Johnson's credibility on this.

I also remember several other posts saying, essentially, "If such a tape existed, no way would Johnson get the scoop on it", and many more "wishful thinking/smells like BS" type posts. There were some saying in effect "Its truthy", or "I hope its true", but I can't remember a single one "pushing" the rumor as true.

So to the extent that *any* mention of a rumor helps spread it. . .yes, it was "spread" here, but by that same criteria, it was also spread on network TV by Geraldo (and others), on KOS's site, who talked about it here, here, on Obama's own website, and probably other places as well.

Any accusation that this site was responsible for this rumor, or was "pushing" it is provably untrue.

As a side issue, IMO, the best thing you can do to debunk a false rumor is to talk about it openly. **NOT** talking about it lets it fester. Obama's website seems to have realized this, with their mis-attribution a separate matter.

re: #180 Bob in Breckenridge

. I would doubt Clinton's campaign would start it since the minute they couldn't prove it they'd be history.

I disagree. Have you any doubt that Hilary "I survived Bosnian sniper fire" Clinton would engage in "dirty tricks" to win the nomination?

Retrospectively, the Clinton campaign is already history. Knowing six weeks ago that this outcome was likely, what would her campaign have to lose by planting this story at a critical juncture in a plausibly deniable way (eg with a hyperpartisan supporter)?

And speaking of spreading vicious partisan rumors on blogs, I think Obama might want to consider that his OWN blog is still hosting entries pushing perhaps the MOST vicious partisan rumor of the last 30 years, namely that the Bush administration was responsible for the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

re: #171 Charles

Yes, there was quite a bit of discussion in our comments about it - and if you go back and check, you'll find more than one comment from me trying to get people to stop buying the rumor and pointing out that it originated with Larry "Kos Kid" Johnson. I even deleted a couple of spinoff links about it, to try to prevent LGF from being used to spread the rumor.

It was a dirty trick, and it was obvious to me from the word go.

Hey Charles, the rumor was "fake but accurate" ;-)

We of all people should not be playing the "fake but accurate" game, so your judgment was correct, as usual.

re: #242 lostlakehiker

Actually, it is unreasonable to expect that Obama believes that Rev. Wright baloney.

There is a tendency in the African-American community to rhetoric dissociated from reality, rhetoric that no one, not the speaker, and not the listener, believes at all.

I've seen it. The enthusiastic yea-saying etc, from people who know full well that it's BS from top to bottom. Stuff that if you did believe it, you'd leave the country, or buy disaster supplies and head for the outback, or whatever. Which they haven't done.

This isn't unique to the U.S. Some Arab countries can top that style of over the top rhetoric 7 days a week and twice on Friday.

The Obamas are smart and fairly well educated. They cannot possibly believe this nonsense about how whitey invented AIDS to kill of blacks. Just for instance.

Look where this sort of "black redneck" (Thomas Sowell's term) behavior has gotten Arabs, and where it is getting American blacks.

And then such people wonder why people like myself don't believe a fecking word they say anymore even (sadly) when they just might be having a point.

My theory is that we can look forward to a tidal wave of this kind of news. Some lefty will make something up about Obama that sounds juicy and yet believable. It'll be suggested and somebody on the right will pick up the rumor and report it as such. It'll THEN be picked up by the MSM as a rumor spread by the right wing smear machine. This will mix with the real disclosure of the fatal flaws to Obama's charactor and beliefs. The difference between true and false will be almost impossible to discern.

This will be the mother of all document dumps consisting of truths, half-truths, lies, distortions, silliness, and outrageousness that will do nothing but cloud the real issue of who Obama really is and what he believes in. I see this as the only way that Obama can survive the 5 months left of vetting before the election.

re: #260 Former Belgian

Look where this sort of "black redneck" (Thomas Sowell's term) behavior has gotten Arabs, and where it is getting American blacks.

And then such people wonder why people like myself don't believe a fecking word they say anymore even (sadly) when they just might be having a point.

While virtually no one in the black community swallows it hook, line, and sinker, enough of that overheated rhetoric is believed for it to become "common knowledge" and impervious to the truth. Nonsense like "the AIDS virus was created in a secret US military laboratory... a new bio-weapon tested on blacks" is whole-heartedly believed by a significant minority, perhaps even a majority of black Americans. They'll nearly always cite the "Tuskegee Experiment" as "proof", even though not one person was ever deliberately infected with syphilis. The subjects were all already infected when they entered the program, but had received no prior treatment, which was the whole point: to see if no treatment was better than the ineffective and often dangerous treatments then in use.

The genuinely questionable decisions came later: after WWII, when antibiotics were found to be effective against syphilis, the researchers believed the disease in the Tuskegee men was too far advanced to be helped, so treatment was witheld and the subjects were not told about it.

re: #56 Charles

Mebbe as a group the most popular blogs should sue NYT out of some more of it's diminishing funds...