Ah, the Joooooos did it.

A very unique and original opinion!

/s

Because a Brit would know.

If Israel had never come into existence, or if the United States had not supported it, or if Kennedy had not reaffirmed that support, Sirhan would probably never have pulled his trigger.

And if Stephen Kinzer's mother hadn't mated with a pig he never would have drawn a breath.

Most people in the US were unaware of what a "Palestinian" was in 1968, so Sirhan Sirhan was a complete mystery to them. It seemed incomprehensible, to mainstream Americans.

Munich 1972 han't happened yet. The first intifada hadn't happened yet.

But Sirhan was a pioneer. A pioneer in political terrorism.

Classic "Now look what you made me do" projection from the Left.

Both JFK and RFK were strongly pro-Israel. A little detail than modern-day moonbats would like to forget, in their idolization of the Kennedy brothers.

Don't worry Tzipi Livni will give it away.

/where'd that frigin rainbow go?

What a disgusting conclusion!

If only those pesky Jews would disappear.....everything would be so nice and I'm sure radical Islam would throw down their hateful religion and make nice.

/s

Wow.

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked that they blamed the Joooos instead of BushHitlerCheneyHalliburton.

/not really shocked

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

My sister was a master of the "Look what you made me do" technique. I learned from a VERY young age to see right through it.

Lefties, conversely, use it as the basis for their moral philosophy.

Was Rove involved?

Is there anything Islamic society doesn't blame on the Jews? Anything at all? Imagine the culpability of the Arab world would have to waddle through if it weren't for Israel.

re: #3 solomonpanting

If Israel had never come into existence, or if the United States had not supported it, or if Kennedy had not reaffirmed that support, Sirhan would probably never have pulled his trigger.

And if Stephen Kinzer's mother hadn't mated with a pig he never would have drawn a breath.

Pigs get slandered enough.

The so-called "Palestinians" don't need any particular reason to kill an infidel......

In another day and age, I'm sure Kinzer would be writing that the Jews killed Jesus.

why don't they come out and say it: the existence of israel is the cause of all things that go wrong in the world.
assh*les

re: #4 zombie

Most people in the US were unaware of what a "Palestinian" was in 1968, so Sirhan Sirhan was a complete mystery to them. It seemed incomprehensible, to mainstream Americans.

Munich 1972 han't happened yet. The first intifada hadn't happened yet.

But Sirhan was a pioneer. A pioneer in political terrorism.

The killing of any Non-Muslim is always justified regardless of political motivation.

Well, there it is. The antisemitic western civ. hating left in all its glory.

Doesn't that uber buffoon, Fisk hail from the Guardian?

Also note that ALL the conspiracy theories about RFK have been debunked conclusively.

He acted alone. There was no other gunman. There were only 8 bullets. He lunged forward and his muzzle was only inches from RFK's head. The "polka-dot girl' was a random terrrified audience member, not an assassin. Etc. All debunked.

Sirhan Sirhan confessed ahead of time in his diary.

He subsequent claims of "I don't remember what happened" are all bull-hockey.

"if the victim hadn't have been a woman and hadn't worn that dress, then the rapist wouldn't have needed to rape her"

Outstanding logic. You only get mugged if you encounter a mugger.
He knows that you probably do not support mugging. Your presense is provocative.
How does this guy keep his job?

They told me Sirhan Sirhan was to blame. And he seemed to be convinced of it, for a while at least.

re: #23 opnion

That thought process is what passes for logic in the place formerly known as Great Britain........

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Classic "Now look what you made me do" projection from the Left.

Battered women hear that crap all the time.

This "logic" is astounding.

How do these people tie their shoes in the morning? Slip-on loafers, I guess?

re: #21 zombie

He was secretly a Jew, dontcha know? And did you notice no Jews were killed in the attack?

This just in:
Guardian columnist blames banks for the existence of bank robbers.
Guardian columnist states how millions of British wouldn't have been killed in WW I and II if Britain didn't exist.

Sirhan Sirhan were never the same after "Seven and the Ragged Tiger"

re: #21 zombie

Succinctly put.

If Israel had never come into existence, or if the United States had not supported it, or if Kennedy had not reaffirmed that support, Sirhan would probably never have pulled his trigger.

And we'd today have a shithole where Israel used to be.

Israel did not put the gun in his hand. Neither did the United States. Nor did Bobby Kennedy. Sirhan Sirhan did all of those things and he's the one who pulled the trigger and committed cold blooded murder.

Some people, like Kinzer and his al-Guardian ilk, become willing apologists for the worst sort of evil to walk the face of this Earth. What's wrong with these people?

re: #13 obscured by clouds

Is there anything Islamic society doesn't blame on the Jews? Anything at all? Imagine the culpability of the Arab world would have to waddle through if it weren't for Israel.

That's a hard one. Really hard. Thinking about it made my head hurt.

However, I think that the Pope's comments on Islam being violent were not blamed on the Jews.

So there is at least one instance.

re: #26 MandyManners

Battered women hear that crap all the time.

Emotionally abused women do, too. What's really sad is that we think we can "fix" things because they say it's our fault.

re: #25 Whiterasta

That thought process is what passes for logic in the place formerly known as Great Britain........

Because American thought processes logic are just peachy.

see: Finklestein, Chomsky, Ward Churchill, Juan Cole, Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Code Pink, Jeremiah Wright, International ANSWER etc. etc. etc.

re: #33 Blackacre

..."What's wrong with these people?..."

Three generations of socialist education, for starters.....

If we were to move the entire state of Israel to a empty spot in the state of Texas, the Palestinians would come to America so that they could better continue their murderous work. When people realize that the existance of Jewish people and not the existance of a Jewish state is to blame perhaps we'll finally see some people begin to understand.

If Britain were never a country, we wouldn't have had that bloody Revolutionary War. It's Britain's fault.

people like this who can offer such an absurd explanation for murder are so transparent in the level of their own hate.

re: #26 MandyManners

Battered women hear that crap all the time.

I presently have a female tenant who was a victim of abuse. Since renting from me in Feb she has gone through four boyfriends who were all abusive. Her present new boyfriend is a registered sexual offender and the son of a former neighbor of mine. I told him last night I did not want him on the property ever.
I do not believe she invites abuse, but this poor woman certainly gets enough. She has a knack for picking em.
It simply amazes me that women will remian in those relationships, and that they start one with exactly the same sort of person.

re: #11 zombie

My sister was a master of the "Look what you made me do" technique. I learned from a VERY young age to see right through it.

Lefties, conversely, use it as the basis for their moral philosophy.

One of my sisters was like, too.
And you know, one of my sisters is a moonbat.
Wow! What a strange coincidence!
It's the same one.

re: #36 uptight

I'm not saying we don't have our share of moonbats over here.

I'm pointing out that moon-battery is a state doctrine in Britain.

Stephen Kinzer

What a contortion of logic these journalists follow. Is this character yet another self loathing a Jew?

re: #35 goddessoftheclassroom

Emotionally abused women do, too. What's really sad is that we think we can "fix" things because they say it's our fault.

Oh, you can fix the problem, just ask Ms Bobbitt. Same as fixin a cat.

The "what if" stuff is great for fiction stories but to apply "what if" scenario to events that already happened and somebody died as result just to make a political statement is sheer stupidity.

re: #42 wolfie

One of my sisters was like, too.
And you know, one of my sisters is a moonbat.
Wow! What a strange coincidence!
It's the same one.

My "look what you made me do" sister isn't just a moonbat, she's to the left of Lenin! Seriously!

And, as you point out, it's no coincidence.

re: #33 Blackacre

An obsession with "root causes"; it's a great excuse not to look too closely at actual actions.

re: #43 Whiterasta

I'm not saying we don't have our share of moonbats over here.

I'm pointing out that moon-battery is a state doctrine in Britain.

It isn't

All this article proves is that the UK (like every country in the world) has antisemitic, idiot leftists who work in journalism.

re: #4 zombie

Most people in the US were unaware of what a "Palestinian" was in 1968, so Sirhan Sirhan was a complete mystery to them. It seemed incomprehensible, to mainstream Americans.

Munich 1972 han't happened yet. The first intifada hadn't happened yet.

But Sirhan was a pioneer. A pioneer in political terrorism.

And I hope that CSMFPOS continues to rot away in prison and frakkin' DIES there! Sirhan B. Sirhan delenda est!

re: #22 uptight,

Uncovered meat. The Mohammedans already say that.

re: #47 the_flying_pig

The "what if" stuff is great for fiction stories but to apply "what if" scenario to events that already happened and somebody died as result just to make a political statement is sheer stupidity.

It's more than stupid- it's pathological. Only a sick, demented mind would blame the victim. Well- or an islamist.

This was "blowback"- it's America's fault we lost Bobby Kennedy. We should be ashamed of ourselves for supporting Israel.

Next up- if only we'd been nicer to commies, we'd still have JFK.

re: #8 Sharmuta

What a disgusting conclusion!

I agree!

Yes - if only we didn't piss of the eternally pissed off.

re: #52 Iron Fist

,

Uncovered meat. The Mohammedans already say that.

And Muslim terrorism is caused by Islamophobia and western foreign policy...

As time goes forward, I get the sense that a terrible giant conflict is inevitable. The elite sense it, and are desperate to appease anything and everything.

It all plays out so slowly. As always, the Jews are the first thrown under the bus.

This particular guy is ridiculous. Do we blame the "misguided" Civil Rights Movement for Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination? Do we blame our silly attempts at fighting Communism for Pres. John F. Kennedy's assassination? Etc. etc.

We will always have either enemies or overlords. I'd rather have enemies.

Surprised!

/not

re: #35 goddessoftheclassroom

Emotionally abused women do, too. What's really sad is that we think we can "fix" things because they say it's our fault.

Blaming the victim is one of the greatest cons in the world.

I'm beginning to see the situation as an over-reaching case of DV mentality on the part of the perps and their apologists.

OK, what does the Kennedy family say now?

Why not go further back ...
If the Pilgrim Fathers had never left Plymouth ... If the British had never occupied 'Palestine' ... f JFK had never been conceived ...

re: #20 Whiterasta

Doesn't that uber buffoon, Fisk hail from the Guardian?

And don't forget George Moonbat Monbiot!

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Classic "Now look what you made me do" projection from the Left.

Exactly.

re: #61 Nene1

Why not go further back ...
If the Pilgrim Fathers had never left Plymouth ... If the British had never occupied 'Palestine' ... f JFK had never been conceived ...

If Moses had never gone to Egypt...

re: #39 eff

If Britain were never a country, we wouldn't have had that bloody Revolutionary War. It's Britain's fault.

Neither would Israel.

LET'S BLAME THE BRITS!

No shit Sherlock!

or been born there!

re: #64 uptight

If Moses had never gone to Egypt...

If the Pharaoh's daughter hadn't picket up that wicker basket...

If Israel had never come into existence, or if the United States had not supported it...

Funny how these leftist morons deal with the United Nations. Most of the time, especially since the 1970's, the UN blows the leftist trumpet like a Lafayette Park jazzman, and the moonbats are tossing change in the case as fast as they can. But the fact that the United Nations authorized the existence of Israel in 1947--well, they just leave that part out. An inconvenient truth, you know...

re: #41 JeremyR

I presently have a female tenant who was a victim of abuse. Since renting from me in Feb she has gone through four boyfriends who were all abusive. Her present new boyfriend is a registered sexual offender and the son of a former neighbor of mine. I told him last night I did not want him on the property ever.
I do not believe she invites abuse, but this poor woman certainly gets enough. She has a knack for picking em.
It simply amazes me that women will remian in those relationships, and that they start one with exactly the same sort of person.

She needs massive therapy.

re: #68 goddessoftheclassroom

If the Pharaoh's daughter hadn't picket up that wicker basket...

yeah - bloody pharoah's daughter. The Kennedys should sue.

Blame the victim. It's easy.

If life hadn't emerged from a coke bottle.

re: #68 goddessoftheclassroom

If the Pharaoh's daughter hadn't picket up that wicker basket...

If only Joseph hadn't been sold by his brothers.

re: #74 Sharmuta

If only Joseph hadn't been sold by his brothers.

If only his dad hadn't give him that coat...

Newsweek echoes the Republican's Crazy uncle and those Obama community sites as well.

Is it just me or does there seem to be more crazy people in the world?

re: #74 Sharmuta

If only Joseph hadn't been sold by his brothers.

that's right - blame the Jews!

re: #78 uptight

that's right - blame the Jews!

He saved Egypt. Where's the love now?

I had one Christian Anti Zionist tell me if the Zionists set up a country outside of Israel / Palestine, there would have been no more trouble!

I guess he never heard of ghetto?

Even the ghettoization of Jews did not help Jews in keeping them alive, what would make him think that creating a "Israel" outside of "Palestine" would help the Jews?

Theodor Herzl picked his Zionist Utopia in the land of Israel thanks to a Zionist Christian preacher he met...who read the Bible prophecy regarding the return of G-d's chosen people from all lands to the land promised to Abraham.

this is so ridiculous and easy to see thru.
he does not have the conviction of his own hate to actually say that HE hates israel.
he uses this convoluted bullsh*t "reasoning" to put some ugly out there.
this assh*le is a conniving wimp.

re: #21 zombie

zombie, it should be noted that Sirhan Sirhan was not a Muslim but a Greek Orthodox Arab from Jordan. I'm reading the June 14th 1968 Time article about the assassination of RFK. It is right there on pg 6 of the article:

All at once, from Washington, Pasadena, Beirut, the Jordanian village of Taiyiba and the loose tongue of Mayor Yorty, the life and bad times of the accused assassin,* Sol Sirhan, came into view. The middle-class Christian Arab family had lived in Jerusalem while Palestine was under British mandate, and the father, Bishara Salameh Sirhan, now 52, was a waterworks employee. The first Arab-Israeli war cost the elder Sirhan his job. Family life was contentious, but young Sirhan Sirhan did well at the Lutheran Evangelical School. (The family was Greek Orthodox, but also associated with other religious groups.)

The family, which had Jordanian nationality, qualified nonetheless for expense-free passage to the U.S. under a limited refugee-admission program sponsored by the United Nations Relief and Welfare Agency and the World Council of Churches. Soon after reaching the U.S. in January 1957, the parents separated. The father returned to Jordan, settled alone in his ancestral village of Taiyiba and became prosperous enough from his olive groves to revisit the U.S. twice. His five sons and their mother Mary all live now in the Los Angeles a

rea.

re: #70 MandyManners

She needs massive therapy.

Agreed. Unfortunately she is getting it from a bottle.
My point was that so often people jump out of one bad relationship into one that is just as bad and often worse. Men and women alike.

Sirhan was not simply a "Jordanian citizen", as he was called at the time. He was an embittered Palestinian

No, they were right the first time. The Palestinians are really from Jordan.

re: #75 goddessoftheclassroom

If only his dad hadn't give him that coat...

If only Joseph did not share aloud his dreams...

re: #77 kevinmumaw

Is it just me or does there seem to be more crazy people in the world?

Ask me when Obama becomes president.

re: #57 DeliLama

We will always have either enemies or overlords. I'd rather have enemies.

A purple jelly-bean for you!

In case you have not already read this:

In April 1948, one month before Israel declared independence, Robert Kennedy, then 22, traveled to Palestine to report on the conflict for the Boston Post. His four dispatches from the scene were published in June 1948. The newspaper closed in 1956, and for decades the reports were virtually forgotten.

Journalist Robert Kennedy's 1948 newspaper articles reporting from Palestine

Kennedy arrived in a chaotic and dangerous land on the eve of the British departure. Jewish Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter of the Old City were under Arab siege and regular Arab armies were pouring into the territory. The British authorities were hampering Jews' efforts to defend themselves and were even countenancing Arab attacks against Jews.

Kennedy was liberal in his praise of the Palestinian Jews (only one month later did the name "Israel" and the term "Israelis" come into being). "The Jewish people in Palestine who believe in and have been working toward this national state have become an immensely proud and determined people," Kennedy wrote. "It is already a truly great modern example of the birth of a nation with the primary ingredients of dignity and self-respect."

One of his dispatches was headlined, "Jews Make Up for Lack of Arms with Undying Spirit, Unparalleled Courage."

"Unfortunately for the Jews, Jerusalem's water reservoir is situated in the mountains and it and the whole pipeline are controlled by the Arabs. The British would not let them cut the water off until after May 15th but an Arab told me they would not even do it then. First they would poison it."

The Arab responsible for the blowing up of the Jewish Agency on March 11, 1948, said "that after the explosion, upon reaching the British post which separated the Jewish section from a small neutral zone set up in the middle of Jerusalem, he was questioned by the British officers in charge. He quite freely admitted what he had done and was given immediate passage with the remark, ‘Nice going.'"

Much more of interest at the link....

Sure does sound like Germany in 1936 - if only for those pesky Jews. Better be watching your back Israel.

re: #77 kevinmumaw

Is it just me or does there seem to be more crazy people in the world?

The Internet makes it seem so.

Stephen Kinzer is an asshole.

If only Britain had surrendered to Germany after Dunkirk, they wouldn't have lost all those fine pilots in the Battle of Britain, and all those civilians in the Blitz of London.

re: #79 Sharmuta

He saved Egypt.

Yes - I remember.

Pharaoh wore an Elvis outfit.

re: #90 MandyManners

The Internet makes it seem so.

Perhaps. But I think there really is a quantitative difference too.

re: #83 JeremyR

Agreed. Unfortunately she is getting it from a bottle.
My point was that so often people jump out of one bad relationship into one that is just as bad and often worse. Men and women alike.

How much you wanna' bet her boyfriends keep her supplied?

re: #75 goddessoftheclassroom

If Joseph had never been born...

re: #93 uptight

Yes - I remember.

Pharaoh wore an Elvis outfit.

LOL

re: #96 Jim in Virginia

If Jacob had been satisfied with Leah.

I think NewsBusters has been hijacked.

It all makes sense now...
Of course it's America's support of Israel...
Bobby K. and Da Jooos....

Wait a minute.
How many beers have I had...?

This reminds me of Pat Buchanan blaming WWII on the allies. The new revisionism.

re: #98 paradox42
If Leah had been more attractive...

What until you see Kinzer's conclusion about Abraham Lincoln's assassination. According to Kinzer, Moses had his fingerprints all over it.

re: #82 the_flying_pig

Thanks for pointing that out!

I found further information on Sirhan Sirhan:

Sirhan was born in Jerusalem[1] to Christian parents and was raised in the Maronite Church. In his adult life however, he made several religious conversions, joining Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist churches, and dabbled in the occult.[2

If one was a serious believer, he would know the Biblical admonition NOT to get involved in the occult...like seances, palm reading, communicating with the dead, etc...

re: #20 Whiterasta

Doesn't that uber buffoon, Fisk hail from the Guardian?

From the Independent, which is almost as moonbatty these days.

Note that al-Guardian/the Daily Wanker hasn't always been this sick joke. Its legendary erstwhile editor C. P. Scott (a contemporary and friend of Chaim Weizmann) must be spinning in his grave.

Especially noteworthy (again from the Time article June 14th 1968):

According to Yorty, Sirhan wrote that Kennedy must be killed before June 5, the first anniversary of the last Arab-Israeli war, a date that has detonated demonstrations in some Arab countries (see THE WORLD). Sirhan was also said to have written "Long live Nasser." Yorty went on to characterize Sirhan as pro-Communist and anti-American, and to imply that he might have had some extremist connections. In contrast, the police and prosecutor had been bending over backward to protect Sirhan's legal rights—advising him of his right to counsel and his right to remain silent, calling in a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union to watch out for the suspect's interests.

ACLU and LA officials bending over BACKWARD for him! *eyes rolled up*

re: #91 Racer X

Stephen Kinzer is an asshole.

Succinct.

re: #94 galloping granny

Perhaps. But I think there really is a quantitative difference too.

Maybe so.

re: #48 zombie

My "look what you made me do" sister isn't just a moonbat, she's to the left of Lenin! Seriously!

And, as you point out, it's no coincidence.

Yup.
My sister isn't quite that far left, but she certainly flaps around in the moonbeams!
She is a card-carrying member of the oppressed. You'd recognize the type.
She's got a La Raza bumper sticker on her Mercedes.
Oh yes. She's "Hispanic." A woman of color !

Funny, because our Bolivian mom (naturalized US citizen) refuses to check that word on forms. She checks "other" and then writes in AMERICAN.

re: #99 Sir C

I think NewsBusters has been hijacked.

I am still able to get to it...

re: #41 JeremyR

I presently have a female tenant who was a victim of abuse. Since renting from me in Feb she has gone through four boyfriends who were all abusive. Her present new boyfriend is a registered sexual offender and the son of a former neighbor of mine. I told him last night I did not want him on the property ever.
I do not believe she invites abuse, but this poor woman certainly gets enough. She has a knack for picking em.
It simply amazes me that women will remian in those relationships, and that they start one with exactly the same sort of person.

Most people who are abused go directly from one crappy relationship to another, the only change being the name & face. The stats are pretty awful - better than 95% will be involved in a subsequent abusive relationship. Do they invite it? No - but they might "expect" it. Therapy often doesn't help a whole bunch. You might consider getting a formal restraining or no trespassing order against that particular boyfriend.

I noticed that Kinzer wasn't critical of the United States' support of D-Day

re: #41 JeremyR

I presently have a female tenant who was a victim of abuse. Since renting from me in Feb she has gone through four boyfriends who were all abusive. Her present new boyfriend is a registered sexual offender and the son of a former neighbor of mine. I told him last night I did not want him on the property ever.
I do not believe she invites abuse, but this poor woman certainly gets enough. She has a knack for picking em.
It simply amazes me that women will remian in those relationships, and that they start one with exactly the same sort of person.

If she has a very low self esteem and she probably does by now, she may think that this type of male is all she deserves, and she may also feel that she deserves the abuse she gets. For many years my moto was "Beat me, Bruise me, then tell me that you love me--and I will believe every word of it." Took me long time to get out of that mine set. Speaking as a abused child and wife, had to learn that I was worth loving.

re: #104 Psaturn

Sirhan was one confused individual.

re: #109 wolfie

Yup.
My sister isn't quite that far left, but she certainly flaps around in the moonbeams!
She is a card-carrying member of the oppressed. You'd recognize the type.
She's got a La Raza bumper sticker on her Mercedes.
Oh yes. She's "Hispanic." A woman of color !

Funny, because our Bolivian mom (naturalized US citizen) refuses to check that word on forms. She checks "other" and then writes in AMERICAN.

Good for your Mom! We need more Americans just like her.

Actually, if you read Kinzer's whole piece, you'll learn a few valuable things.
...perhaps about who ELSE might be to "blame" for Sirhan's lunacy....
Check out this part of the column:

As a young refugee, Sirhan attended a school where teachers exhorted students to struggle for Palestinian rights.

During the 1968 presidential campaign, Sirhan came to identify Robert Kennedy, who he had originally supported, as a friend of Israel. Three weeks before committing his crime, he watched a documentary about Kennedy's involvement with Israel on CBS television.

And voila.
We have the brainwashing of young Arabs by a psychopathic violent terrorist culture, and the prodding of an anti-American media.
And this was 40 years ago.
The more things change, the more they stay absolutely the same.

re: #90 MandyManners

The Internet makes it seem so.

I agree. It seems like the world is more mad because we now have more access to news and opinions. The internet give a platform to any and all crazies out there, as the LGF stalker sites and myobama prove.

re: #116 damnyanqui

But, but, what about Israel, the "occupation", the Jews, [insert latest grievence]?

re: #95 MandyManners

How fathers make a girl's future.

"Your girls are never going to need a man to feel complete," she said. "They won't be picking boyfriends out of a need for validation...He's doing his job," she said about my husband. "By the time your girls are adults, they'll be done, finished, not all needy around men."

I'm by no means a perfect dad, but I hope i'm doing the same for my thireteen year old girls.

In reply I would only quote those immortal lyrics,

" Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noon-day sun".

re: #41 JeremyR

It is truly amazing, but it seems to be hard wired in some of them. It basically comes under the broad definition of "Borderline Personality Disorder" in the DSM-IV. [Link: www.nimh.nih.gov...] I will of course note that I am not a clinician nor do I know the person involved, so please do not take this as anything except suggestive of what her problems might be. If this is the case, she needs to get help. My son is good friends with someone whose mother bad BPD. Three kids by different men and died getting out of a car, dead drunk, on a high speed highway in the area and got hit by a truck. The grandmother who is a wonderful person, raised the kids.

Working through this kind of stuff is difficult for anyone and recovery is not guaranteed. However, what is guaranteed is that if this is left untreated it will get worse, not better. Combine it with something like bi-polar and you have a very combustible mix that burns everything in its path. The person, and the people around them suffer tremendously. Its none of my business, and you may regard it as none of yours, but you may wish to indicate to this person that if she wants to continue to rent from you, she has to get herself help. As a landlord it is in your best interest not to have her burn the place down or have crimes committed there. As a human being, you can perhaps be of assistance to her by pushing her in the right direction.

Again, I am not a person qualified to make a determination of this even if I were to see the person. However, it appears to me that she may be effected by this malady.

re: #115 galloping granny,

There are too many native born Americans who aren't content to be AMERICAN. It is one of my pet peeves.

re: #113 Inquisitive

If she has a very low self esteem and she probably does by now, she may think that this type of male is all she deserves, and she may also feel that she deserves the abuse she gets. For many years my moto was "Beat me, Bruise me, then tell me that you love me--and I will believe every word of it." Took me long time to get out of that mine set. Speaking as a abused child and wife, had to learn that I was worth loving.

Did you almost feel that any attention was better than none?

re: #38 DeathtotheSwiss

If we were to move the entire state of Israel to a empty spot in the state of Texas, the Palestinians would come to America so that they could better continue their murderous work.

Yes, but then we could elect Kinky Friedman governor of Texas and play "Cowboys and Palestinians."

the F''''' EURO hated the jews when the jews lived in euroland and now that they live outside of euroland the F'''' EURO still hate them.

most of the brits back in 48 were pro arab. Wingate was one of the exceptions and for his activity he was transfered out of eratz yisorel.

re: #119 Jim in Virginia

We often forget how important fathers are to GIRLS.

re: #123 goddessoftheclassroom

Did you almost feel that any attention was better than none?

Oh yes!

re: #124 Colonel Panik

Yes, but then we could elect Kinky Friedman governor of Texas and play "Cowboys and Palestinians."

Bad 70's sci fi:
The Texas Israeli war 1999.

re: #6 zombie

Both JFK and RFK were strongly pro-Israel. A little detail than modern-day moonbats would like to forget, in their idolization of the Kennedy brothers.

Both JFK and RFK were also strongly pro-American. Another little detail modern-day moonbats would like to forget.

re: #125 yochanan

Funny how that's working out,eh? They eliminated nearly all the educated, assimilated Jews in Europe and the vacum has been filled by retro seperatist fanatics who despise western civilization.

re: #127 Inquisitive

Oh yes!

I'm a member of that sisterhood, too, but at least my abuse was emotional/mental, not physical. Tomorrow would have been our anniversary, and it's the first since our separation--and I'm sad. I hate being an idiot.

Time to go spy on the kids and make sure they don't burn down the house making dinner for Papa Wolf.
They're making him a MAN meal ! Kielbasa subs w/ fried onions and green peppers, etc., etc.......oh.........and jello.
Well, dads have to make compromises when they have kids. Eating jello salad is one of them.

re: #131 goddessoftheclassroom

YOU are not the idiot.

re: #113 Inquisitive

If she has a very low self esteem and she probably does by now, she may think that this type of male is all she deserves, and she may also feel that she deserves the abuse she gets. For many years my moto was "Beat me, Bruise me, then tell me that you love me--and I will believe every word of it." Took me long time to get out of that mine set. Speaking as a abused child and wife, had to learn that I was worth loving.

Inquisitive, there is also something beyond that...the spiritual aspect....

re: #114 the_flying_pig

Sirhan was one confused individual.

I agree!

Whatever happened to "The Buck Stops Here" days of the Democrats under Harry S. Truman? Libs now pass the buck like it's a radioactive potato.

re: #132 wolfie
Kielbasa: Heart attack on a stick.
I'm grilling burgers.

re: #111 galloping granny

Or an ass-kicking applied to said abuser.

If it were my property she was living in, the first sign of trouble, he'd be limping for quite some time.

re: #131 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm a member of that sisterhood, too, but at least my abuse was emotional/mental, not physical. Tomorrow would have been our anniversary, and it's the first since our separation--and I'm sad. I hate being an idiot.

Don't fell like an idiot! No matter what they did to us, we still love them. We had fallen in love with them and we did not change, they did. It is so hard to believe that someone we love would hurt us so badly, that sometimes it does not even register and we want to keep believing that they love us. We wanted to help them and change them and think only the best of the person we fell in love with, married and had children with. You just can't turn that love off---it will take a while!

I'm sorely tempted to leave a comment on the Guardian's site with an utterly appropriate "if only" -

If only RFK's father hadn't been stopped from playing footsy with Ribbentrop, we would be reading the Voelkischer Beobachter instead of the Guardian....

re: #134 Psaturn

Inquisitive, there is also something beyond that...the spiritual aspect....

Yes , that could be true.

So many victims, so little time.

as far back as i can remember muslim's have blamed everything stupid and heinous act on someone else made them do it. i have never, ever heard an arab take responsibility for their own actions. even when there are terrorist attacks, there are a plethora of fringe, poo-throwing monkey muslims who falsely claim they did it when they were too lazy/stupid to do it themselves.

re: #129 Tigger2005

Both JFK and RFK were also strongly pro-American. Another little detail modern-day moonbats would like to forget.

JFK was an NRA member. LBJ probably was as well.

The existence of moonbat asshat 'journalists' is the reason half the American public is misinformed.

I always wondered why that angle never got more explored considering that subsequent events like the OPEC Oil embargo of the early 1970s was meant to punish the US for providing intelligence to Israel to help them fight their way out of another Arab instigated war. They are currently at war with US they murdered a Kennedy based on the their radical ideology and if if only it was a Christian no same sex marrying church they would be all over it. Instead liberal morons like this try to explain the root causes. He could also be simply reciting a story which could be true to explain on a personal level how an individual can be motivated to commit a terrorist act such as murdering Bobbie Kennedy to influence the strength of the Zionist entity which he must destroy. Ordered to do it by his religion. Sirhan thought he was doing the

re: #139 Inquisitive

Don't fell like an idiot! No matter what they did to us, we still love them. We had fallen in love with them and we did not change, they did. It is so hard to believe that someone we love would hurt us so badly, that sometimes it does not even register and we want to keep believing that they love us. We wanted to help them and change them and think only the best of the person we fell in love with, married and had children with. You just can't turn that love off---it will take a while!

{Inquisitive}
You have no idea how much that has helped me today. God bless you, and thank you.

The Guardian is a venomous rag not fit to wipe my ass with. The scumbags who write for it are beyond redemption and unworthy of the ground they stand on. Their small minded bigotry is utterly repugnant. Bastards.

re: #38 DeathtotheSwiss

If we were to move the entire state of Israel to a empty spot in the state of Texas, the Palestinians would come to America so that they could better continue their murderous work. When people realize that the existance of Jewish people and not the existance of a Jewish state is to blame perhaps we'll finally see some people begin to understand.

I don't want to be rude, but there is a place called Palestine in Texas... so, if Israel were moved to Texas, the Israelis would be "occupying" Palestine...

Those damn jooos are evil....

As a Ph.D. student in the Department of Political Science at Northwestern University where Stephen Kinzer currently enjoys his professorship, I am absolutely disgusted. My thoughts about it here.

re: #131 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm a member of that sisterhood, too, but at least my abuse was emotional/mental, not physical. Tomorrow would have been our anniversary, and it's the first since our separation--and I'm sad. I hate being an idiot.

Me. too, goddess — mental/emotional — 11 years of it ended in 1978. Married now to JimPro for 24 years tomorrow!

Stop calling yourself an idiot! You are NOT! You fell in love. HE failed YOU! You are not in the wrong here. If everyone could be labeled an idiot every time we have faulty judgment, where would we be.

Congratulate yourself for doing the right thing for YOU!

;D

re: #147 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddessoftheclassroom}

Supposedly RFK's assassin wanted to kill RFK before his views on Israel became public.

re: #151 LeePro

Me. too, goddess — mental/emotional — 11 years of it ended in 1978. Married now to JimPro for 24 years tomorrow!

Stop calling yourself an idiot! You are NOT! You fell in love. HE failed YOU! You are not in the wrong here. If everyone could be labeled an idiot every time we have faulty judgment, where would we be.

Congratulate yourself for doing the right thing for YOU!

;D

{LeePro}

Thank you so much. Goodness, I love this place--I don't know where I would be without it!

"They can gas me, but I am famous. I have achieved in one day what it took Robert Kennedy all his life to do. " Sirhan Sirhan after his arrest.

Now with this quote in mind what indicates for you that it is political? There was political manifesto, no political demand, nothing but a killer happy to have attention. Many people can claim to know his motives, without speaking with him of course, but he has already stated them: he wanted to be famous.

"The simplest answer is the one most likely to be true."
William of Occam

re: #154 goddessoftheclassroom

Been there and experienced that too {Goddess}. I didn't marry the guy....but three years emotional abuse carried it's toll on me.
He had once said since he was taking psychology classes that he used me as an experiment ..... to see how much it would take to break me.
Hang in there {Goddess} things will get better.

This is like saying "Well if the woman hadn't of been in the ally late at night, she wouldn't have been raped"...utterly disgusting

And, of course, if the jooos never existed, Adolf Hitler would not have build Auschwitz to gass them.

re: #150 zellmad

As a Ph.D. student in the Department of Political Science at Northwestern University where Stephen Kinzer currently enjoys his professorship, I am absolutely disgusted. My thoughts about it here.

MAYBE HE IS IN BED WITH PROF. BUTZ OF NORTH WESTERN WHO SAYS THE HOLOCOUST DID NOT HAPPEN
which explains why my fav. college team is anyone playing northwestern u. can't stand the school and evanston is full of moonbats too.

Kinzers profile on the Guardian says he used to work for the NYTimes.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Assuming this to be true, so what? You could just as easily say that Swedish women wouldn't be raped if they would wear burkas, or that the French wouldn't have to worry about rioting if they placed a mullah in charge of their country and adopted sharia. The fact that Muslims insist on behaving like vicious wild animals in response to anything we do does not render our normal way of life unduly provocative, or mean that we should change. Besides, Western culture has already developed a perfectly adequate method for dealing with vicious wild animals.

“We fail to live up to that responsibility if we knowingly support the British government who behind the skirts of their official position attempt to crush a cause with which they are not in accord. If the American people knew the true facts, I am certain a more honest and forthright policy would be substituted for the benefit of all.” RFK, June 5th, 1948, Dispatch to the Boston Post from Palestine.

If being a "political act" makes something ok, as Guardian columnist Stephen Kinzer seems to be suggesting, then terrorism (based on political desires) is ok. And jihaditerrorism is ok. So are war crimes political acts, so they are presumably ok. And Iran's quest for nuclear weapons with which to wage nuclear jihad is ok.

The program of Hitler and the Nazis to exterminate the Jews was a political act, so from the logic of Stephen Kinzer that was ok also. The efforts of Ahmadinejad and the mad mullahs to carry out nuclear genocide against Israel are political, so according to what Stephen Kinzer is suggesting that is ok also.

Stephen Kinzer seems unable to distinguish between normal behavior and evil behavior. If a murderer were to kill a person, would Kinzer then state that if that person were never born, then the murderer would not have killed him? Does that put the blame for the murderous deed on the mother that gave birth to the victim?

Hmm, I don't think I included enough context (or indeed any at all) in my previous comment. That's RFK expressing sympathy for the Jewish cause and distress at the British handling of the situation, quoted from this article about RFK's Palestine visit just before Israel's independence. (which I probably originally found here, but I don't remember)

All the joos had left the kitchen immediately before the attack, and some joos were seen celebrating across the hall just as the shots were fired. Very suspicious.

This guy comes from the Pat Buchanan school of logic, i.e... If Churchill hadn't forced Hitler into war, he never would have exterminated 6 million Jews. The blame never resides with the people who carry out henious crimes, but with the mysterious forces who 'make' them commit them. Utterly disgusting.

re: #162 buzzsawmonkey

The shoe is not going to drop on this one, buzzsawmonkey. As ever.

Is there anything the Left isn't willing to apologize for and explain away? Oh right-- anything that a conservative Republican does/believes.

So they got Nixon instead.

[Link: www.nixonblog.com...]

This is revisionist history; I lived through that time and I tell you I have never heard that Sirhan ever gave a reason for his act. If memory serves, he in fact says that he doesn't know why he did it. This is more made up cowexcremant.

I just did a web search to refresh my memory, and what I found were multiple accounts wherein Sirhan claims to have no memory of shooting RFK, and thus he has never offered a motive for the shooting. The notion that RFK was killed in retaliation for his support of Israel is pure speculation, and rank cynicism. What a waste of time it is to read Kinzer.

Course in '68, we had not yet been treated to Y. Arafat and his thugs who tried to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan in Sept 1970 in what became known as Black September.

The "invention" by Arafish of the term and concept of Palestinians as a displaced people was embryonic at best when Sirhan murdered Kennedy. He only began to use the term in the mid sixties.

To adduce that Sirhan in '68 was acting politically rather than simply murderously is to wallow in the ugliest form of revisionism.

re: #4 zombie

Most people in the US were unaware of what a "Palestinian" was in 1968,

Funny how a Palestinian people that no one knew about in 1968 are entitled to carve up Israel and Jerusalem for a new Arab country just a few decades later.

Where did history hide these mythical people up to that time. Surely someone spotted their flag, their currency, their long history, their achievements, their discoveries, their unique language,.......before they started murdering people.

Terrorism wins.

If Kinzer were not a scumbag, if he did not have a spine made of concealed slime, if he didn't twist history to fulfill his sick fantasies, if there were a morally sound point to this piece...

More if's than a leech has suck.

re: #174 Opinionated

Funny how a Palestinian people that no one knew about in 1968 are entitled to carve up Israel and Jerusalem for a new Arab country just a few decades later.

Where did history hide these mythical people up to that time. Surely someone spotted their flag, their currency, their long history, their achievements, their discoveries, their unique language,.......before they started murdering people.

Terrorism wins.

Don't Forget their great television shows for Children !

"Sirhan probably would never have.."

/if only Hitler had stopped at...

Leave it to a Guardian columnist to safeguard the "good name" of Sirhan Sirhan 40 years hence by explaining away his "eminently" political act of murdering RFK by way of blaming the Jews and Israel. Sheesh.

The salient question to Democrats is whether they think American foreign policy should be shaped by Robert F. Kennedy or by Sirhan Sirhan.

re: #64 uptight

If Moses had never gone to Egypt...

If Abraham had never smashed the idols . . .

/root cause

This is exactly what the late Susan Sontag said in the first issue of the New Yorker after the 9/11 atrocity: It makes perfect sense! Look at our policies! America's been mean to them!

When these progressive idiots will realise that Arab terrorism is direct result of their support of Arab terrorism?

Found the relevant Sontag quote at [Link: groups.colgate.edu...]

"Where is the acknowledgement that this was not a 'cowardly' attack on 'civilization' or 'liberty' or 'humanity' or 'the free world' but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed super-power, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions?" (The New Yorker, Sept. 24, 2001.)

Of course, this is the same barking moonbat who, in the December 1967 Partisan Review, wrote that "the truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al., don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone - its ideologies and inventions - which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself."

Here is a Telegraph thread attacking Kinzer's Guardian column.

It's too bad the Guardian's thorough censorship prevents an adequate discussion on the Guardian thread itself.

If Arabs were not taught to hate Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, then RFK would not have been assassinated by an Arab.

re: #13 obscured by clouds

Is there anything Islamic society doesn't blame on the Jews? Anything at all?

Yes. They blame the Crusades on the Christians, not the 400 years worth of Muslim attacks on Europe.

There is not act of terrorism committed by the Islamofascists that isn't the "fault" of those targeted.

What do you expect from a bunch of fallen angel, kid down a well, rock fallen out of the sky, worshipers ?

The existance of Islam is the blame for Kennedy's death.

Having read the article, I see nothing offensive there. The concluding paragraph follows from the general thrust of the article, which is factual, and I frankly agree with the conclusion as well. Sirhan was a supporter of RFK until he learned of RFK's strong support of Israel. He killed RFK on the first anniversary of the Six Day War.

The article explains the murder but does not justify it; the only adjective that is used in the article in connection with the assassination is "horrific."

Kinzer also characterizes the assassination as "blowback." A somewhat loaded term, to be sure, but not entirely unwarranted.

My principal disagreement with the article is that Sirhan's motivation was not understood at the time. I thought it was pretty clear. Indeed, in many ways it foreshadowed the more recent phenomenon of terrorists being "inspired" by the actions of organizations like al-Qaeda but acting on their own without being directed by the larger group.

Incidentally, a few commenters have already addressed the fact that Sirhan was a Christian, and therefore not on a personal Jihad against the kuffars. Kinzer also notes Sirhan's Christian roots and adds that he was a supporter of Fatah. Fatah, in 1968, was still a secular movement. It didn't work to forge an Islamic identity until it found itself in a rivalry with Hamas.

re: #190 Ben F

Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian indoctrinated by the Palestinian hate machine against Israel as a child. He was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Robert Kennedy was the target he chose to express his pre-programmed hatred of Israel. The article accurately describes Sirhan's traumatic experience as a child in the 1948 war, followed by the Palestinian indoctrination that taught him to hate Israel.

The final paragraph of Kinzer's article is where Kinzer exposes his own hatred of Jews, blaming Israel, the United States, and Bobby Kennedy for Sirhan's crimes. Kinzer is an articulate bigot.

and if my mother had a you know what, she would be my father! This Brit is a typical lefty loon!re: #1 zombie

re: #183 Paul Green
Sontag is gone - good riddance to the writings of the moonbat!

Isn't the whole premise of this article along the lines of:

"If we all had Candies and Nuts it would be a wonderful Christmas"

- or -

"If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride"

- or-

"If my grandmother had had wheels I'd be a trolley car"

- or -

"If Professor Kinzer's father had gone to the bathhouse like he normally did, the world be a better place!"

People forget that the Palestinian terrorism movement was originally rooted in Arab nationalism not Islam. There were plenty of Christian Palestinian tools back in the day, until they figured out that Islam made for more recruits and its splodeydope "martyrs" were more effective.