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How Many Kos Kidz Can Dance on the Head of a Pin?

Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 8:46:36 pm PDT

Some conservative bloggers are asking the question: Why Isn’t There a Conservative Daily Kos?

I have a simple answer: I don’t want to be the “conservative Daily Kos.” This is Little Green Footballs. It’s nothing like Daily Kos, and that’s by design.

Go ahead and argue over the theoretical aspects of ideological viewpoints, and political advocacy, and how much to police comments. I guess someone has to do it.

But I’m too busy building LGF to worry about that stuff.

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1 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:47:34pm

I'd rather stare at my belly-button.

2 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:47:52pm

These are the same folks who don't get that they're the oxymoron in the room...

3 laZardo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:48:47pm

This isn't the conservative Daily Kos.

This is the evil Zionimperialist, Islamphobic, Luciferian-freemasonic doppelganger of the Daily Kos.

/and you can take THAT to the banks run by teh Jooooooos. :D

4 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:49:18pm

I'd rather stare at Mandy's belly button.

5 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:49:51pm

Conservatives aren't haters they are happy people. Kos and his minions are always hating on something or someone.

Those are just facts.

6 Shug  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:50:04pm
Whether or not one agrees with the political views of Markos Moulitsas, there's no getting around the fact his website has become not just a powerful force in the blogosphere, but is also shaping the Democrat Party

.

But all their candidates go down in flames

7 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:50:21pm

It must suck to have to clean up the trash that wanders in but a clean site is much better than the dump that is KOS.

Thank You

8 Shug  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:50:50pm
The progressive blogosphere is a hotbed of activism

I recommend Valtrex

9 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:50:52pm

re: #1 MandyManners

I'd rather stare at my belly-button.

Damn fine belly button too!

10 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:01pm

I am not really being a smart-ass here.

But isn't that sort of like Free Republic?

11 Drained Brain  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:07pm

Pinheads, you say?

12 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:09pm

If you build it,they will come.

13 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:15pm

Possibly because diametrically opposed thought processes/ways of living rarely if ever mirror each other... the opposite of stupid is not smart with a neat beard in a parallel universe but something totally unrecognizable to the stupid...

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:19pm
"People on the right think their political machine works, but that the media is out to get them. Hence rightish blogging is more about punditry and reporting, and they've succeeded--note the paucity of lefty bloggers embedding in Iraq, while the number on the right is extensive enough that I can no longer name them all. People on the left, on the other hand, know the media is basically on their side, but feel that their political machine stinks, so they've focused on building a new one. And they've succeeded, too."


Instapundit rules.

15 bitsy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:24pm

LGF rocks!

16 laZardo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:51:43pm

re: #1 MandyManners

My God. Your belly-button is mystifying. It's like I can see the secrets of the universe if I concentrate long enough.

Or maybe I need to get off this soma...

17 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:52:43pm

What are the ramifications of an "innie" versus an "outie", I wonder?

18 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:52:46pm
Why Isn’t There a Conservative Daily Kos?

Because Republicans are too busy living their family life and leading their business life to blog all day.

/besides, we got Charles for that...

19 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:52:53pm

A better question is Why is there a leftist Daily Kos.

20 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:01pm
21 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:03pm

Today is my daughters 18th birthday. Now comes the " I am too old for a curfew". As she cries and rants about it. But she registered as a Republican and swore never to vote for Hillary, let alone Obambi, so I relented and told her 2AM. I still think it's too late, but what can I do?

Funny, I changed my registration recently to Independent but will hold my nose for Big Mac in November.

22 Max Darkside  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:27pm

I would prefer to emulate greatness...

23 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:29pm

re: #10 formercorpsman

But isn't that sort of like Free Republic?


Not really. Free Republic doesn't raise funds for Rep candidates. Republican candidates don't blog at Free Republic. The are very different endeavors.

24 doriangrey  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:54pm

re: #1 MandyManners

I'd rather stare at my belly-button.

I'd rather stare at your bellybutton too...................What do you mean your bellybutton is lower down than that?

25 laZardo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:53:58pm

re: #17 6pat6

Careful. You don't want to get sued for navelism. (;

26 Arbalest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:54:18pm

Perhaps there's no conservative equivalent of Kos because we're all over the age of 10, understand how to form logicial argments, and realize that intellegent discourse and debate require such arguments, not attitude.

27 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:54:58pm

re: #21 kingronjo

Today is my daughters 18th birthday. Now comes the " I am too old for a curfew". As she cries and rants about it. But she registered as a Republican and swore never to vote for Hillary, let alone Obambi, so I relented and told her 2AM. I still think it's too late, but what can I do?

Funny, I changed my registration recently to Independent but will hold my nose for Big Mac in November.

At 18, 2 AM is reasonable, but not if she whines like a 15 year old to get it!

28 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:55:06pm

re: #22 Max Darkside

I would prefer to emulate BE greatness...
Fixed it!

29 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:55:18pm

Does Kos still have the Death to Israel diary up ?

Because if that's what he's asking for, a site with a flag as far right as they have on the far left, it's nothing I'm interested in.

I'm going to bed,
Later.

30 pat  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:55:19pm

There is no conservative or Libertarian Daily Kos because it would be labeled a hate site, the host investigated, the Bush Justice Department would be the first to strike. That is the reality of modern America. Those that believe in America are the enemy.

31 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:55:33pm

re: #17 6pat6

What are the ramifications of an "innie" versus an "outie", I wonder?


I always try to put those 2 together..works MUCH better that way..

32 Syrah  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:55:46pm

Conservative: Because there is more to life then politics.

33 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:04pm

I'm not a Kos fan by any stretch of the Armstrong but I occasionally peruse the threads there.

34 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:16pm
I have a simple answer: I don’t want to be the “conservative Daily Kos.” This is Little Green Footballs. It’s nothing like Daily Kos, and that’s by design.

Go ahead and argue over the theoretical aspects of ideological viewpoints, and political advocacy, and how much to police comments. I guess someone has to do it.

But I’m too busy building LGF to worry about that stuff.

Bravo Charles, Bravo.

35 bitsy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:19pm

Daily Kos did a pretty good job of convincig me to vote for Bush back in '04.

36 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:32pm

I think the reason is because conservatives are, by definition, individualistic, whereas liberals are group thinkers. Not only do we not need to emulate them, it's just not in our nature to do so.

37 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:54pm

I've always had a real problem with the idea that blogs exist to promote political parties.

38 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:56:58pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

You are correct, I was thinking purely along the lines of emotional contributors, but what you say makes much more sense.

Do you think the reason the candidates have given them time, is because they see it as another form of contributions?

39 pat  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:57:24pm

McCain will be the first Republican nominee that is embarrassed to be one.

40 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:57:46pm

Why is it that the last five minutes of a pro basketball game lasts for 45 minutes?

41 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:58:08pm

Heh™

This is Littlegreenfootballs.

Accept no substitutes.

42 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:58:24pm

re: #40 6pat6

Why is it that the last five minutes of a pro basketball game lasts for 45 minutes?

Because it should.

43 jaunte  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:58:54pm

Promoting a political party as your main function and highest goal inevitably means you're going to have to lie at some point.

44 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:59:11pm

re: #37 Charles

I've always had a real problem with the idea that blogs exist to promote political parties.

Well- it makes sense that the left would think that- they think everything exists to promote their politics.

45 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:59:11pm

re: #37 Charles

I've always had a real problem with the idea that blogs exist to promote political parties.

Charles, I enjoy the political discussion as well as that of contemporary events, but it's the community of truly caring people that make this my number one favorite site.

46 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:59:23pm

re: #37 Charles

Exactly!

47 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 8:59:54pm

re: #42 Noam Sayin'

Because it should end as soon as possible

Fixed it.

48 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:00:03pm

re: #37 Charles

I've always had a real problem with the idea that blogs exist to promote political parties.

The way I hear it we're all lock step Republicans!
/

49 snowcrash  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:00:38pm

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the article in the link?

50 jaunte  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:17pm

re: #49 snowcrash

I am.

51 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:22pm

There is no conservative daily Kos because conservative basements are full of Guns, Bibles and racism. Leaving no room for 30yr old parasites without jobs.

52 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:26pm

re: #48 jcm

The way I hear it, we are all lock step Republicans.

Not exactly, since I dod not type mine exactly as you did, so we can't truly be "lock step"!

53 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:26pm

re: #21 kingronjo

Today is my daughters 18th birthday. Now comes the " I am too old for a curfew". As she cries and rants about it. But she registered as a Republican and swore never to vote for Hillary, let alone Obambi, so I relented and told her 2AM. I still think it's too late, but what can I do?

Funny, I changed my registration recently to Independent but will hold my nose for Big Mac in November.

Your house. Your rules. To an extent.

54 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:47pm

LGF, Anti-Idiotarian HQ. No more, no less.

55 solomonpanting  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:01:59pm

re: #49 snowcrash

Is anyone else having trouble accessing the article in the link?


YES

56 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:02:32pm

They ruined there party but pushing them so far left and should get blown out ever year year. But the Republicans and there spending are trying to keep it competitive.

57 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:02:34pm

re: #37 Charles

I've always had a real problem with the idea that blogs exist to promote political parties.

But, they do in many cases.

58 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:02:36pm

I made phone calls for Bush and went to neighbors houses in '04. Right now I don't feel that way for MaC. And the terrible thing is I feel deep in my heart that Obama is worse, a lot worse, than Kerry. Kerry, IMHO, was an effete snob who was an idiot and could be side tracked.

Obama on the other hand is a committed socialist and really does believe his Black Liberation Theory. And will have the will and the backers to attempt to fulfill his goals.

59 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:02:40pm

re: #52 6pat6

The way I hear it, we are all lock step Republicans.

Not exactly, since I dod not type mine exactly as you did, so we can't truly be "lock step"!

LOL! The lot in joint makes herding cats look like a cinch.

60 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:02:52pm

re: #40 6pat6

Why is it that the last five minutes of a pro basketball game lasts for 45 minutes?

Because that's usually the only part of the game worth watching.

61 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:03:02pm

re: #38 formercorpsman


Do you think the reason the candidates have given them time, is because they see it as another form of contributions?


I do. The money Kos brings to the table isn't huge they they do a lot of active fundraising for candidates who kiss their asses. Also Koskidz do a lot of "framing" (they call the Frame Shop Diaries) where they assemble talking points and strategize how to spin news and events. "Right wing" blogs (LGF, Hot Air, Miss Malkin) are far more concerned with factual accuracy and faulty reporting. There's a big difference.

62 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:03:19pm

re: #41 Noam Sayin'

Heh™

This is Littlegreenfootballs.

Accept no substitutes.

So, two Lizards on top of the cake?

63 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:03:19pm

re: #59 jcm

LOL! The lot in joint makes herding cats look like a cinch.

PIMF
this joint

64 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:04:10pm

re: #51 Metal Man

There is no conservative daily Kos because conservative basements are full of Guns, Bibles and racism. Leaving no room for 30yr old parasites without jobs.

What you said.

65 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:04:36pm

re: #60 wolfie

Probably true. It's amazing that in the first half, the two teams MIGHT score 40 points combined, but in the second half, suddenly they score 60-100 points or more combined. Never have been a BB fan.

66 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:04:36pm

re: #6 Shug

.

But all their candidates go down in flames

So far.
God willing it will continue to be so.

67 Attaboid  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:05:01pm
68 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:05:41pm
How Many Kos Kidz Can Dance on the Head of a Pin?

Good question.

/this calls for serious empiricism

69 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I do. The money Kos brings to the table isn't huge they they do a lot of active fundraising for candidates who kiss their asses. Also Koskidz do a lot of "framing" (they call the Frame Shop Diaries) where they assemble talking points and strategize how to spin news and events. "Right wing" blogs (LGF, Hot Air, Miss Malkin) are far more concerned with factual accuracy and faulty reporting. There's a big difference.

Yes -- and that's why you don't see GOP politicians reaching out to the "right wing blogs" in the same way. The Dems know they'll be able to spew their talking points at Kos without fear of being challenged.

But if a politician tries to put something over on the lizard army, they're going to get taken to the woodshed.

70 Tigger2005  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #58 kingronjo

I made phone calls for Bush and went to neighbors houses in '04. Right now I don't feel that way for MaC. And the terrible thing is I feel deep in my heart that Obama is worse, a lot worse, than Kerry. Kerry, IMHO, was an effete snob who was an idiot and could be side tracked.

Obama on the other hand is a committed socialist and really does believe his Black Liberation Theory. And will have the will and the backers to attempt to fulfill his goals.

Start feeling that way about MaC.

Repeat affirmations if you have to.

"He's good enough, he's brave enough, and by golly, he's way better than Obama!"

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:07pm

It's very late for me, dear Lizards, so I'm bid you all a good night.

72 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:24pm

re: #53 Mandy manners

Today is my daughters 18th birthday. Now comes the " I am too old for a curfew". As she cries and rants about it. But she registered as a Republican and swore never to vote for Hillary, let alone Obambi, so I relented and told her 2AM. I still think it's too late, but what can I do?

Funny, I changed my registration recently to Independent but will hold my nose for Big Mac in November.

Your house. Your rules. To an extent

that is true. But she is 18 and I do have to give her some more freedom. Especially since she has been away at college for a year and she doesn't leave her dorm room til midnight usually.

So far she has never been in any trouble (unlike her Father). I think its more me than her anyway. Owell.

73 Dianna  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:26pm

In ten minutes I'm going to bed. Someone sum up last week in one pithy, preferably scathing, sentence?

74 gman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:41pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

I think the reason is because conservatives are, by definition, individualistic, whereas liberals are group thinkers. Not only do we not need to emulate them, it's just not in our nature to do so.

You beat me to it.

75 Attaboid  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:54pm
76 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:06:59pm

re: #63 jcm

PIMF
this joint

It takes two moonbats.. on the end of a pin ! It takes one to hold on the other so they won't drown in the facts!:)

77 cargocultist  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:07:03pm

Uh oh
[Link: www.npr.org...]

78 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:07:05pm

re: #65 6pat6

I love college basketball but never have developed much interest in the pro game.
If I were Queen, I wouldn't let them play in June.
This is baseball season, for cryin' out loud!

79 WayDownSouthInBama  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:07:22pm

I'd have about as much interest in a site that was blind to the bad in America as I do KOS,a site that is blind to the good in America. I'd rather visit a site that takes a look at both. The KOS folks find no good in our nations leadership,or our nation, as long as it is run by conservative Republicans. In my opinion, a site becomes worthless when it is founded on hate,looks for nothing but the bad,makes up what they can't find,and mistakes it all for patriotism. Why copy such a site in any way,shape,form,or fashion?

80 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:07:45pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

Bon soir.

81 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:07:52pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom
Sweet dreams to ya!:)

82 womball  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:08:10pm

Starting to ask? Its seems this question was asked in 2007 over at newsbusters. Wouldn't a conservative KOS be like a Ronulan online cave?

83 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:08:39pm

re: #73 Dianna

In ten minutes I'm going to bed. Someone sum up last week in one pithy, preferably scathing, sentence?

All and all I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

84 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:00pm

Kos isn't a blog. It's an advocacy and marketing tool for the far left wing of the Democrat Party. Kos set it up specifically to do that. And he's done it rather well...and now he's part of the machine.

85 McJenny50  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:02pm

Is Tilly still around? I am wondering if it is the same person as Tilly's Story. Anyone know?

86 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:09pm

re: #78 wolfie

This is baseball season, for cryin' out loud!

Baseball, auto racing, beach volleyball - but put the damn basketball down already! It's JUNE! Get a real job, pro BB players!

87 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:25pm

re: #85 McJenny50

Is Tilly still around? I am wondering if it is the same person as Tilly's Story. Anyone know?

It is.

88 Carridine  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:38pm

re: #72 kingronjo
King, in three years my oldest reaches 18, and then he must decide whether he'll choose American citizenship or Thai...

But that's what comes with age and maturity... tough decisions.

89 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:50pm

re: #82 womball

Is a womball what you hit with a wombat?

90 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:09:57pm

re: #73 Dianna

Whitey lied Fox news died.

91 Dianna  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:10:10pm

re: #84 Quilly Mammoth

I prefer to think he's being eaten by the machine. But that's just me.

92 womball  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:10:20pm

Naturally.

93 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:10:36pm
Of course, an important element of this "community" is its free-wheeling nature. As Kos has made clear, he and his team don't do a lot of editing of either the diaries or the comments. This allows for a more "lively" discussion than most conservative websites will tolerate. Though folks on the right might find such comments abhorrent, the reality is their existence and tolerance has to add to the number of readers moonbats and members crackpot leftists looking for this kind of expression.
94 Dianna  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:10:58pm

re: #90 Metal Man

Well-summed, sir!

95 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:11:01pm

re: #86 6pat6

Well said ! :D

96 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:11:12pm

re: #73 Dianna

The smiley leader of the toothless and corrupt United Nations happily announces that Saudi Arabia will boast oil production.

/That surely sums up the scathing, I'm not sure about the pithy part...

97 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:11:27pm

re: #88 Carridine
THAI..

98 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:11:41pm

re: #72 kingronjo

re: #53 Mandy manners

Today is my daughters 18th birthday. Now comes the " I am too old for a curfew". As she cries and rants about it. But she registered as a Republican and swore never to vote for Hillary, let alone Obambi, so I relented and told her 2AM. I still think it's too late, but what can I do?

Funny, I changed my registration recently to Independent but will hold my nose for Big Mac in November.

Your house. Your rules. To an extent

that is true. But she is 18 and I do have to give her some more freedom. Especially since she has been away at college for a year and she doesn't leave her dorm room til midnight usually.

So far she has never been in any trouble (unlike her Father). I think its more me than her anyway. Owell.

TALK!

What are your expectations? What are hers?

99 Gagdad Bob  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:13:02pm

There is a conservative Kos: Pat Buchanan. He's loud, ugly, and anti-Semitic.

100 gman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:13:03pm
Whether or not one agrees with the political views of Markos Moulitsas, there's no getting around the fact his website has become not just a powerful force in the blogosphere, but is also shaping the Democrat Party.

The herd needs a leader. Markos, who served in the Army and now spends his time bashing America, fits the bill.

101 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:14:00pm

re: #76 beachkatie

It takes two moonbats.. on the end of a pin ! It takes one to hold on the other so they won't drown in the facts!:)

And here I thought facts did to moonbats, what water did to wicked witches.

102 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:14:18pm

I wonder if the Kossacks wil get their wish and throw Lieberman overboard if they get enough Dems in November? I say they will.

First Gore shafted him, why not the whole Party? And then Kos can claim a victory over him.

103 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:15:32pm

re: #75 Attaboid

1975

1979.

Gotta' dance.

104 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:15:43pm
105 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:15:49pm

Kos is a collection of absolute psychos who do not accept any deviation from party platform. It's typical of the LLLeft even today as Debra what's her name was drummed out of the party for opposing the Messiah. It was shown earlier with the DNC throwing Lieberman under the bus in 2006. The party has been taken over by fascists who will accept no dissention, no debate, no deviation.

When I first got a computer at home and started surfing, I felt I needed to maintain a presence on both sides of the aisle. Even though I had crash landed on this site that busted the MSM on trying to throw the 2004
election with bogus TANG documents, I couldn't possibly believe the entire media was biased leftwards (though I had my suspicions). Likewise, I felt I could find reasoned voices on the left.

I didn't.

I'm not a conservative. I have a hunch many here are not, either. But I find what qualifies for reasoned discourse on the left is purely socialist, and nothing less, and that's not what I want America to be.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:16:53pm

re: #99 Gagdad Bob

There is a conservative Kos: Pat Buchanan. He's loud, ugly, and anti-Semitic.

BUCHANAN IS NOT CONSERVATIVE!

107 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:17:21pm

re: #33 Mich-again

I'm not a Kos fan by any stretch of the Armstrong but I occasionally peruse the threads there.

Go to your room, young man!

108 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:17:41pm

re: #102 kingronjo

I say they will, too.
Without him, they would not have taken over the Senate in 2006.
What a fine way to thank him!

109 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:02pm

re: #7 Metal Man

Charles has the thankless or boring task of showing morons the door.

Thank you for showing them the door, Charles.

110 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:27pm

re: #106 MandyManners

No he's not.

He's mad.

111 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:40pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

It is funny you mention that.

Over the past couple of weeks, every so often I see someone alluding to tank moments, etc.

To me, a tank moment is a Donna Rice moment. You were a sure bet, but the wind just came out of your sails. Dead in the water.

I am not a fan of money influencing politics, nor do I think term limits, or finance reform will help either.

It does amaze me though, to think how just a couple of years ago, a simple head poking out of a tank killed your chances, but nowadays, posting to a site that has active hostile diaries that are without question bigoted, the smell of that money has them willing to wade in the dirtiest of pools, is enough to buy influence, and even credit.

You would have thought by now, with every gaff, pedestrian versus bus, etc. would have been enough to bring it to a screeching halt. But they must be putting up enough funds, it is getting them something.

112 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:44pm

re: #104 Ojoe

Goodnight, Ojoe.
Did you get a little bedtime snack?

113 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:55pm

re: #106 MandyManners

BUCHANAN IS NOT CONSERVATIVE!


how would you classify old paleo pat?

114 Attaboid  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:18:56pm

re: #103 MandyManners

You're too young for me. :)

115 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:19:04pm

zzzzzzz.

116 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:19:08pm

re: #101 jcmYOU ARE SO RIGHT!:)

117 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:19:25pm

re: #62 MandyManners

So, two Lizards on top of the cake?

I thought you dumped me.

118 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:20:10pm

re: #107 NY Nana

OK. Good call.

119 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:20:57pm

re: #112 wolfie

Cantaloupe.

& as I ate it I heard a chorus of far away voices chanting,

"Not OK, not OK, not OK!"


Now, really,

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

120 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:21:04pm

re: #105 Noam Sayin'

I'm not a conservative. I have a hunch many here are not, either.

Alas, I don't think there are many conservatives at all here at LGF. I consider myself one, but I'd say most here are centrists, leaning at least a little leftwards. JMHO.

121 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:21:37pm

Take it easy folks.

122 Attaboid  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:21:42pm

re: #119 Ojoe

Can't elope?

so easy

123 winston06  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:22:19pm

I am glad there is no Conservative Kos around the blogosphere. A hateful site like Daily Kos is one too many and thats what Liberals are best at: Hating others.

124 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:22:32pm

re: #119 Ojoe
SWEETDREAMS OJOE!:)

125 Spadez  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:23:21pm

Great reason why not to be one.

126 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:23:22pm

re: #69 Charles

But if a politician tries to put something over on the lizard army, they're going to get taken to the woodshed.


Somebody early in the primaries (Huckabee?) put up a post on LGF about supporting Israel. I felt kinda bad for the guy because we gave him a pretty universal yawn. But LGF really isn't that kind of forum, we're used to spin and pandering. LGF isn't really a spring board for grassroots activism and fundraising. I shilled for Rudy the best I could here and that didn't work either.

127 Dianna  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:23:38pm

Well, thanks, folks. Now, I'm for bed.

Have a lovely evening.

128 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:23:58pm

re: #121 formercorpsman
you TO FORMERCORPSMAN!:)

129 otterpooka  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:24:18pm

re: #1 MandyManners
I'd rather stare at my belly-button.

This is known as omphaloskepsis.
From Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary: omphaloskepsis -
contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation

If you don't believe me, then you are an omphaloskeptic.

130 Panhandler  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:24:21pm

re: #117 Noam Sayin'
The anguish, the unfulfilled promises. Will the Mannerly Mandy and Mr.I'm suave on 2 wheels ever get the writers story line straignt? Tune in tomorrow for the next installmant of "As The Lizard Molts", brought to you by Cornhuskers Salve.
Pat Buchannan is off the tracks and KOS doesn't know there are any.

131 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:24:40pm

re: #113 joecitizen

how would you classify old paleo pat?

I joined the GOP--and stayed with it for a while--despite Pat Buchanan.

132 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:24:49pm

re: #127 Dianna
SWEETDREAMS TO YA!

133 McJenny50  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:24:55pm

re: #87 Charles

It is.

Thanks. I don't remember ever seeing the name used in the years I have been here and wondered whatever happened to her. Her story made a big impression on me.

134 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:25:02pm

re: #123 winston06

I am glad there is no Conservative Kos around the blogosphere. A hateful site like Daily Kos is one too many and thats what Liberals are best at: Hating others.

They even fight each other for not being progressive (aka:marxist) enough.

135 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:25:27pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

We had a guest post from Duncan Hunter. I wish he'd done better.

136 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:25:30pm

re: #118 Mich-again

No TV, no computer, no mini-fridge. ;)

And no Nintendo.

/Did I forget anything? Whoops! No IPhone.

137 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:25:36pm

re: #117 Noam Sayin'

I thought you dumped me.

WHAT?

138 CapitalistTool  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:25:47pm

OK...

I can't see the original post, because the domain is dead or hijacked (maybe the problem is with my ISP's DNS server). But what would you get with a conservative counterpart to the Daily Kos and the Kos Kids?

It seems to me that Daily Kos and MyBarackObama are "big tents" which include a wide spectrum from "moderate liberal" to Socialist, Marxist, and beyond. We've all seen the idiocy there.

What would a conservative "Daily Kos" include? BNP? Front Nationale? Lionheart?

I think Charles is right in not having anything to do with this. If you think this is a good idea (for somebody else to do), could you explain to us how you think it could be made to work, and how you could enforce limits, if any?

139 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:26:03pm

re: #120 Cartman

Alas, I don't think there are many conservatives at all here at LGF. I consider myself one, but I'd say most here are centrists, leaning at least a little leftwards. JMHO.

I think there's a wide and healthy variety here..........w/ quite a few true conservatives. A slight majority (or just a plurality) may be "centrist," but that is what one would expect!

140 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:26:04pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Somebody early in the primaries (Huckabee?) put up a post on LGF about supporting Israel. I felt kinda bad for the guy because we gave him a pretty universal yawn. But LGF really isn't that kind of forum, we're used to spin and pandering. LGF isn't really a spring board for grassroots activism and fundraising. I shilled for Rudy the best I could here and that didn't work either.

Huckabee?! Hush yo' mouth!

It was Duncan Hunter, who never really had a chance, unfortunately.

141 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:26:15pm

I found that article interesting for a number of reasons.
One of which is the assumption that blogs should be political "activists" both Left AND Right. I don't agree with that at all and frankly don't consider Kos to be a "blog" in the sense that issues are laid out - here, at least at the start of each thread(!) by Charles - and then discussed, analyzed and reviewed by the LGFer's (or Lizards, if you prefer) with an idea and aim to get at the "truth" of whatever matter comes up. I believe that the contributions of most of the commenters here are far more worthy, intellectually and morally, than anyone on Kos.
Another is the idea that folks who go to conservative blogs go there for the reason I just stated: to get HONEST news about events of the day and to discuss them and, not infrequently, write to congresscritters and the White House with our take. Left Wing "bloggers" care FAR less about truth and analysis, and FAR more about feeling good about either shredding someone in public life or supporting a person in public life, so that they FEEL as if they actually make a difference.
Finally, I disagree that Republican office holders or wannabe office holders should blog (or, at Kos, post diaries) in an attempt to drum up support. I would not mind, AT ALL, if office holders/seekers of both political parties were to blog out here, say, and then subject themselves to questions and comments from Charles and the LGF Army. It seems to me, in fact, that this would perhaps greatly broaden the "base" of genuine support for those office holders/seekers amongst those who actually know and care about the issues of the day.
Kos may in fact generate more grassroots activism and may in fact turn out more "volunteers" for a candidates campaign, but those volunteers have, historically, been singularly ineffective in helping people get elected to office and in no small measure because those volunteers don't know what they are talking about; passion is good; informed, knowledgeable and concerned citizenry is far more valuable in the American scheme of things.

142 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:26:21pm

re: #137 MandyManners

WHAT?

Uh oh...

143 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:27:01pm

Did they not pay their bills at newsbusters, or did we kill the site? Cause I'm getting something like a "buy this domain" page when I click the link...

144 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:27:22pm

re: #104 Ojoe

Cool towercam - spotlight on the telescope dome. Not sure how long it will last.

Goodnight all.

What that up in the upper left...
A UFO!
wait, wait, let me clean my screen.....

145 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:27:47pm

re: #121 formercorpsman

Take it easy folks.

Indeed.

146 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:27:57pm

re: #139 wolfie

I think there's a wide and healthy variety here..........w/ quite a few true conservatives. A slight majority (or just a plurality) may be "centrist," but that is what one would expect!

I'd say that's a fair assessment. Don't get me wrong - I love LGF.

147 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:29:10pm

all you need to do to be the conservative kos is gather up 5 or so complete radical fucktard ops and get an adoring media to ignore the frequent "screw them" moments.

148 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:29:25pm

re: #141 realwest

Great post, RW!

149 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:29:43pm

re: #129 otterpooka

This is known as omphaloskepsis.
From Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary: omphaloskepsis -
contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation

If you don't believe me, then you are an omphaloskeptic.

You rock.

150 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:29:48pm

re: #130 Panhandler

I drive a Jeep. I'm suave on four wheels, too.

I'm also suave on a bicycle.

151 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:30:15pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

But LGF really isn't that kind of forum, we're used to spin and pandering. LGF isn't really a spring board for grassroots activism and fundraising. I shilled for Rudy the best I could here and that didn't work either.

Luckily I was for Tancredo and I know where he stood... so I had no need to pander as the writing was always on the wall with that guy.

Speaking of pandering, have you seen the video of Obama "helping" flood victims in Iowa? It is posted no less than 10 times on youtube and has a flood of comments praising Obama for helping out. Of course, this is just a photo op and Obama's actual presence there was likely a media and security circus with productivity dropping to a low during the few minutes he filled sandbags for the cameras. The best thing ANY politician can do is stay away... Send a staffer if you want someone to help on your behalf... no media circus.

But it is amazing how many suckers fall for these photo ops. Seriously, there is something around Obama like drugs in the water. I'm not drinking it.

152 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:30:20pm

You just keep doing what you are doing Charles...

The rest will take care of itself.

153 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:30:27pm

Hey, I love LGF too.

I wonder what Charles is going to do this election time to save the day for America? And by extension, Western Civilization.

No pressure; take a deep breath, bend your knees and follow through.

154 gman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:30:51pm

Over at Kos, a lonely diarist exclaims:

Where are you Kos? We need you.

The wayward sheep has lost its way. Baaa Baaaa

155 SonOfLiberty  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:30:56pm

All aboard the AP's fairness in reporting!
APNewsBreak: Companies get OK to annoy polar bears

Michelle Malkin had done some previous reporting which included referencing a question by Kenneth Greene at AEI asking if the Polar Bear thing was a pretty face being tacked onto this issue for the feel-good crowd.

156 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:02pm

I really don't care what Lizards consider themselves politically. You're opposed to dhimmitude, neo-nazis and crypto-fascists? Love America and Israel? Then I embrace you as a fellow Lizard.

157 beachkatie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:05pm

REALWEST IS STRONGER THAN LITTLE OLD ME!SWEET DREAMS TO YOU ALL! 12:28 AM NEED BIG TIME BEAUTY SLEEP!SEE YA TOMORROW!

158 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:25pm

re: #135 Sharmuta

Duncan Hunter


Ah, that's it.

159 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:38pm

re: #140 Charles

Huckabee?! Hush yo' mouth!

It was Duncan Hunter, who never really had a chance, unfortunately.

Ah, yeah. Big difference. I like Hunter, I dislike Huckabee.

160 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:43pm

re: #157 beachkatie

REALWEST IS STRONGER THAN LITTLE OLD ME!SWEET DREAMS TO YOU ALL! 12:28 AM NEED BIG TIME BEAUTY SLEEP!SEE YA TOMORROW!

Nighty, night!

161 rockdad  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:49pm

re: #129 otterpooka

Hello, Otter. Happy Fathers Day. Nice Ref. and Avatar

162 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:31:54pm

re: #140 Charles

Huckabee?! Hush yo' mouth!

It was Duncan Hunter, who never really had a chance, unfortunately.

Do you have a link to that post handy or at least remember what month so we don't have to search the entire LGF database for his guest post? Hunter was head and shoulders better than the other choices.

163 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:32:04pm

Gee, maybe if the GOP could rid itself of corruption, addiction to fiscal irresponsibility, and a beltway mentality, it wouldn't need a Daily Kos like propaganda outlet.

164 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:32:21pm

re: #131 MandyManners

I joined the GOP--and stayed with it for a while--despite Pat Buchanan.


yeah,mrs citizen and I are fairly newbie repubs,basically because of W.,and wanting to be able to vote for Rudy in the Pa. primary(so much fer that!)..the buchanans of the party and the world have never 'gotten it' and never will...

165 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:32:58pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

Woot!

166 6pat6  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:33:30pm

re: #120 Cartman

I'm a very proud and lifelong Conservative, thank you very much!

167 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:34:00pm

re: #140 Charles

Heh.

168 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:34:40pm
169 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:34:42pm

re: #163 MrArchieBunker

Amen to that!

170 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:35:02pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

I really don't care what Lizards consider themselves politically. You're opposed to dhimmitude, neo-nazis and crypto-fascists? Love America and Israel? Then I embrace you as a fellow Lizard.

What if we were involved in the Smurf genocide efforts back in the 80's? I may have given specific locations to Gargamel where Papa Smurf was holed up and it resulted in his capture and torture. Can you forgive me?

171 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:35:31pm

re: #150 Noam Sayin'

TEASE!

172 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:35:37pm

re: #162 Neo Con since 9-11

Do you have a link to that post handy or at least remember what month so we don't have to search the entire LGF database for his guest post? Hunter was head and shoulders better than the other choices.

A Guest Post By Duncan Hunter.

173 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:35:38pm

Any radio scanner enthusiasts out there? Can you just ask a venue like the Excel Energy Center for their radio frequencies or do you need to go capture them?

/it's not like they can hide them unless they're encrypted

174 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:35:57pm

re: #155 SonOfLiberty

All aboard the AP's fairness in reporting!
APNewsBreak: Companies get OK to annoy polar bears

Michelle Malkin had done some previous reporting which included referencing a question by Kenneth Greene at AEI asking if the Polar Bear thing was a pretty face being tacked onto this issue for the feel-good crowd.

I saw this in my local paper today. No bias at all in this first sentence, is there?

Less than a month after declaring polar bears a threatened species because of global warming, the Bush administration is giving oil companies permission to annoy and potentially harm them in the pursuit of oil and natural gas.

175 Joan Not of Arc  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:36:13pm

In order for this fine site to be a Daily Kos, we'd all have to be colossal jerkweeds.
I don't think any of us fits that bill.

176 Carridine  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:36:16pm

re: #97 beachkatie
It's not easy, either way.

He is fluently bilingual, a class leader at school, and deeply appreciative of the benefits of being a Thai... IN Thailand...

But he loves his father, loves America and American ideals, and has spoken often of the educational benefits of enlisting for a 4-6 year term in America and following up with some college, care of Uncle Sam...

Because he KNOWS about his duties under Thai law, and the possibility of serving here, with its MANIFESTLY LIMITED training options...

177 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:36:28pm

re: #170 ronpaulblimpie

I thought we all agreed we weren't going to talk about when Sharmuta's around!

178 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:36:56pm

re: #137 MandyManners

WHAT?

Well, I just thought...

Keep your bucket of sapphires!

I never wanna' see you again!

It's rubies for me now.

179 pat  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:37:01pm

re: #172 Charles

Yeah, that was cool

180 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:37:24pm

re: #120 Cartman Hey Cartman - good to see you.
I agree with you that most folks out here aren't conservative (although as we all know the terms conservative and liberal almost have no meaning any more) in the political sense. I do think most LGFer's are truly centrist in their political beliefs.
But I do think most LGFer's are "conservative" in that they'd rather the truth will out - indeed, be dug out and researched up, down and sideways - than most "liberals" or, more accurately, Leftists.
We actually try to "pool" our thoughts and ideas to try to find the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Of course, "truth" can be a slippery term, but not when applied to political thoughts and ideas that are well reasoned and well thought out.
I think FreeRepublic is more "conservative" and frankly FAR less tolerant of folks with "different" ideas and therefore find LGF far superior to FreeRepublic.

181 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:37:29pm

re: #172 Charles

Thank you, sir.

182 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:37:30pm

re: #164 joecitizen

yeah,mrs citizen and I are fairly newbie repubs,basically because of W.,and wanting to be able to vote for Rudy in the Pa. primary(so much fer that!)..the buchanans of the party and the world have never 'gotten it' and never will...

I'm harking back to many, many years ago.

183 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:38:05pm

The problem with the Conservative/Liberal labels as they are currently used in politics, describe only the most fanatic.

I am labeled a Conservative by others because I believe in personal responsibility.

But if we went point by point through my beliefs you will find I am just as confused on politics as I am on life in general.

Mostly meaning I know there is no magic bullet to fix our problems but can we at minimum throw out what we know doesn't work. Like socialism, fascism, Communism, islamism oh hell any "ism".

184 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:38:28pm

re: #148 wolfie
Hey, thanks wolfie! I appreciate that. Just wish I could write and type faster!

185 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:38:31pm

re: #170 ronpaulblimpie

Can you forgive me?

NEVER! ;)

186 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:38:34pm

re: #169 wolfie

Its as obvious as the nose on ones face wolfie. I left (or took a hiatus) from the GOP for precisely those reasons. Not to mention the lack of a coherent message and competent leadership.

187 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:38:46pm

re: #170 ronpaulblimpie

What if we were involved in the Smurf genocide efforts back in the 80's? I may have given specific locations to Gargamel where Papa Smurf was holed up and it resulted in his capture and torture. Can you forgive me?

You evil, wicked one.

188 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:39:02pm

Political orthodoxy leads to tyranny.

189 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:39:05pm
190 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:39:45pm
191 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:39:59pm
Some conservative bloggers are asking the question: Why Isn’t There a Conservative Daily Kos?

Because Conservatives aren't collectivists and malignant narcissists?

192 indorphin  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:40:24pm

If you're having trouble with the link I imagine it's something to do with Comcast. I just went through a proxy just fine.

193 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:40:28pm

re: #178 Noam Sayin'

My attorneys will contact your attorneys.

194 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:40:41pm

re: #183 Metal Man

Metal Man. Long, frickin' time. You been in jail or something?

195 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:40:44pm

re: #191 Spiny Norman

Because Conservatives aren't collectivists and malignant narcissists?

Ah- you summed it up much more succinctly than I.

196 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:41:03pm

re: #156 Sharmuta
Exactly and very well said!

197 rockdad  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:41:07pm

re: #190 jcm

Congrats, what a great Fathers Day!

198 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:41:36pm

re: #120 Cartman

Alas, I don't think there are many conservatives at all here at LGF. I consider myself one, but I'd say most here are centrists, leaning at least a little leftwards. JMHO.

Dude. You're a "conservative" ... named after a South Park character?

Not bustin' your chops here, it's cool with me. Just that most people don't really think "conservative" when they think of South Park.

199 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:41:46pm

re: #190 jcm

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT THREAD BACK!

Congratz. Sleepless nights and poopy diapers. Thank god I'm not you, but it is all worth it when it is your own kid. :D

200 SonOfLiberty  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:42:18pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Even more amusing is that the end of the article contradicts the beginning, stating that there have been but two incidents where polar bear deaths have been linked to oil drilling since the 1960's. TWO of them.

So obviously, since the facts show that oil companies can live in harmony with polar bears, then they'll focus on the emotional sensitivities of the bears.

Next up, polar bears are asked who they would vote for in the upcoming presidential election.

201 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:42:20pm

re: #193 MandyManners

My attorneys will contact your attorneys.

Why is it the attorneys have all the fun?

202 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:42:41pm

re: #193 MandyManners

My attorneys will contact your attorneys.

Ah, crap.

I'll have you know my attorneys are mean, gay and really don't like women.

And they love saphires, too.

;)

A whole bucket...

In my garage...

203 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:43:37pm

re: #180 realwest

Yes RW, well said. I think what most LGFers are more than anything else are realists or pragmatists. I guess that's what I find so refreshing in a world seemingly going mad.

204 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:43:39pm

re: #157 beachkatie
Goodnight katie - and it's not that I'm stronger, its just that NO amount of sleep will help "beautify" me! LOL!

205 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:43:42pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

I noticed that also. She says, in fact practically quotes verbatim, the "environmentalists".

"Journalist" Dina Cappiello:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Less than a month after declaring polar bears a threatened species because of global warming, the Bush administration is giving oil companies permission to annoy and potentially harm them in the pursuit of oil and natural gas.

A couple of sentences down, the "environmentalists":

Environmentalists said the new regulations give oil companies a blank check to harass the polar bear.

Really, really pathetic.

206 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:44:04pm

re: #194 Noam Sayin'

Wow how do I answer that. Lets just say I took a hiatus:)

207 ronpaulblimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:44:20pm

re: #198 Charles

Dude. You're a "conservative" ... named after a South Park character?

Not bustin' your chops here, it's cool with me.

Matt Stone (one of the Southpark Creators) is rumored to be a republican. Trey Parker is a libertarian. And I love the comment stone made saying ""I hate conservatives, but I really f---ing hate liberals."

208 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:44:51pm

re: #197 rockdad

Congrats, what a great Fathers Day!

re: #199 ronpaulblimpie

Congratz. Sleepless nights and poopy diapers. Thank god I'm not you, but it is all worth it when it is your own kid. :D

Just to be clear, the congrats go to psyop!

209 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:45:10pm

re: #183 Metal Man

The problem with the Conservative/Liberal labels as they are currently used in politics, describe only the most fanatic.

I am labeled a Conservative by others because I believe in personal responsibility.

But if we went point by point through my beliefs you will find I am just as confused on politics as I am on life in general.

Mostly meaning I know there is no magic bullet to fix our problems but can we at minimum throw out what we know doesn't work. Like socialism, fascism, Communism, islamism oh hell any "ism".

Personal responsibility... What a concept. If only more people thought it a attribute rather than something to be scorned (why blame yourself when you can blame others?).

210 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:45:44pm

For me, South Park is a great example of the irrelevance of these old-fashioned political labels.

211 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:45:48pm

re: #190 jcm

Thx! :)

212 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:12pm

re: #198 Charles

Dude. You're a "conservative" ... named after a South Park character?

Not bustin' your chops here, it's cool with me. Just that most people don't really think "conservative" when they think of South Park.

I was drunk the day I selected the nic and registered.

*hic*

;-D

213 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:19pm

re: #200 SonOfLiberty

Even more amusing is that the end of the article contradicts the beginning, stating that there have been but two incidents where polar bear deaths have been linked to oil drilling since the 1960's. TWO of them.

So obviously, since the facts show that oil companies can live in harmony with polar bears, then they'll focus on the emotional sensitivities of the bears.....

LOL! Exactly. There is nothing about drilling operations that automatically causes "annoyance" (sheesh!) or harm to wildlife. Ask how the fishing is in the Gulf near the oil rigs . . .

214 Archimedes  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:37pm

Somebody needs to do this to the Obama zombies:

215 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:37pm

re: #209 psyop

Congrats on your new baby. :)

216 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:46pm

re: #208 jcm

lol....

This is how rumors start....

217 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:46:52pm

re: #201 abolitionist

Why is it the attorneys have all the fun?

'Cause they get paid.

218 Tigger2005  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:47:24pm

re: #120 Cartman

Alas, I don't think there are many conservatives at all here at LGF. I consider myself one, but I'd say most here are centrists, leaning at least a little leftwards. JMHO.

Well, I don't know, I guess it depends on how you define conservative. I have some views that some might consider "liberal," but personally I consider them conservative, because I consider conservatism a commitment to facts and truth, reason and common sense, not to ideology.

219 kywrite  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:47:40pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Kos was in the commercials Ned Lamont did in Connecticut when he defeated Lieberman for the Dem nom. He and his followers were instrumental in that election. (Let's hope they make exactly the same diff in this one: win the Dem nom, lose the general.)

220 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:47:45pm

re: #205 gop_patriot

I noticed that also. She says, in fact practically quotes verbatim, the "environmentalists".

"Journalist" Dina Cappiello:

Really, really pathetic.

It is indeed. I actually pulled that story out of the local newspaper today to keep in my "ridiculous" file.

221 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:47:58pm

I'm a disciple of Wm. F. Buckley with a little Andrew Jackson thrown in for flavor.

222 snowcrash  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:48:13pm

re: #209 psyop
New Dad for the second time on Fathers Day! Hope Mom and baby are well. Congrats.

223 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:48:21pm
224 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:48:44pm

re: #190 jcm Hey jcm, thanks for the head's up!

225 Son Of The Godfather  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:49:22pm

Most Conservative sites are "normal"
The opposite of Kos is the opposite of insanity... There is no opposite... The best we can do is "Normal".

And as for Kos... "Screw 'em"

226 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:49:25pm

re: #211 psyop

Thx! :)

Sorry, can't keep my mouth shut! News like that's too good to keep.

227 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:49:36pm

re: #206 Metal Man

Just screwin' with ya on a little welcome back, is all.

228 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:49:56pm

South Park not your Grandfathers conservatism but man do the Liberals hate it.

Or they would if they got the jokes:)

229 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:50:30pm

re: #186 MrArchieBunker

Its as obvious as the nose on ones face wolfie. I left (or took a hiatus) from the GOP for precisely those reasons. Not to mention the lack of a coherent message and competent leadership.

I understand. That's why I'm an Independent.

230 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:50:48pm

re: #217 MandyManners

'Cause they get paid.

With saphires.

And rubies, which were in the bucket under the bucket of saphires.

Heh.

231 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:50:50pm

re: #227 Noam Sayin'

Thanks

232 Irene NYC  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:19pm

psyops

Congratulations to you and your family! What a wonderful present for your Father's Day. Hope mother and baby are resting well.
;)

233 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:30pm

re: #198 Charles

Mary Matalin always impressed me with her "less government, more freedom" definition of conservative. If that is the definition then I am.

But the whole Godamned inquisition that tries to enforce some "conservative" orthodoxy which casts people into RINO status has done a great deal to SHRINK the number of people who identify themselves as Republican.

And, as the Democrats learned, the way to get these inquisitors to stay home on election day is to serve up a sex scandal involving a Republican in October.

Anyone who gets "more freedom" is pretty much immune to sex scandals when freedom is on the line.

But there we have it - the folks who castigated anyone who deviated from the line in the slightest (except for expanding the federal government's size almost twofold, which the non-RINOs managed to do quite well on their own) are now begging for a new athlete to carry the "team".

234 pat  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:50pm

I tried to link this, but it is not a link. Laura Ingrahms e-mail to all of her radio fans.

McCAIN'S TOWNHALL BOMB: Is it just me or when John McCain spoke at his "townhall" event last night, did most audience members look like they were silently trying to pass kidney stones? McCain gave a substantive analysis of the situation in Iraq but then he veered dreadfully off course once he turned to other matters.
On the rise in energy costs:
"I believe there needs to be a thorough and complete investigation of speculators to find out whether speculation has been going on and, if so, how much it has affected the price of a barrel of oil," McCain said. Hello! It's called commodities trading, it exists, and it's a vital part of the market economy.
On the oil industry itself:
"I am very angry, frankly, at the oil companies not only because of the obscene profits they've made but at their failure to invest in alternate energy to help us eliminate our dependence on foreign oil ... They're making huge profits and that happens, but not to say, 'We're in this so we can over time eliminate America's dependence on foreign oil,' I think is an abrogation of their responsibilities as citizens."
For the record, Big Oil's profit margin has averaged 8.1% over the last five years. Meanwhile, beverage makers -- the industry to which he and his wife owe their fortune -- average 19% margins.
McCain spent what could have been hours -- I blacked out after the first fifteen minutes -- reeling off the names of Democrats he's had high-profile love affairs with over the years. Lieberman, Kennedy, Feingold, it just kept going and going and going. He talked about the good old days when Ronald Reagan held Tip O'Neill's hand and together they they raised Social Security taxes. He hopes to do something similar with Nancy Pelosi.
If I were advising Obama, after seeing last night I would agree to as many townhalls as McCain wants.
Obama told residents of a retirement facility in Columbus, Ohio that his plan "allows us to extend the life of Social Security" without raising the retirement age or cutting benefits. All it takes is a job-destroying, anti-growth tax hike on incomes $250,000 and above.
Then, taking aim at McCain's timid embrace of allowing individuals to own some of their retirement assets, Obama said: "Imagine if your security now was tied up with the Dow Jones ... You wouldn't feel very confident about the security of your nest egg."
No? Well, I'd rather take the risk of managing my money than "tying it up" with politicians who announce a "crisis" with our retirement funds every few years. Heck, I could get better returns out of my piggy bank.
INGRAHAM, PROPHET: Just kidding, but my two predictions for Ireland's EU referendum vote appear to be spot-on. Earlier this week I said the Fightin' Irish would bat down the latest attempt at an EU constitution; I also said it'd hardly matter because EU officials will march on regardless of what Europeans think.
CNN's reporting: "The European Union's plans to restructure itself look to have suffered a serious setback Friday after a top Irish official conceded that voters in Ireland's referendum appeared to have rejected the EU reform treaty."
This is bad news for the EUniks. Ireland was the only country entrusted to actually allow a vote on the constitution. Every Irish political party supported it, yet the people rejected the pact anyway. That they did so signals resentment to EU officialdom runs even deeper than we're let on. Yet instead of being circumspect, EU leaders -- surprise, surprise -- are spending today figuring out how to keep the ball rolling.
PRESIDENT BUSH, MR. POPULAR: Hard to believe, but Bush's approval rating has jumped to 54 percent ... in India.
235 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:51pm

What a Bizantinian question!
I'm sure Justinian would be delighted to discuss this with Moulitsas for a couple of years.

236 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:55pm

re: #209 psyop Hey there - after seeing jcm's post I went back to the prior thread to offer you congratulations and now I have a chance to say it again: Mazel Tov! I hope the baby and Mother are doing well and that your breathing is more or less back to normal?!

237 gman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:51:57pm

re: #205 gop_patriot


There was an article over at Qando that you would like:

So we have 2,000 bears in an area of 29.7 million acres? A bear every 148,500 acres? Pretty dense bear population, wouldn't you say? And a drill ship for every 5,940,000 acres. Certainly no room for oil exploration.

238 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:52:27pm

Pat Buchanan is definitely a conservative. Hes not a Neo-Con (Which is really a filthy liberal). But no one wants there to be a Conservative Daily Kos, we have lives and don't have time to buzz around the internet 22 hours a day spewing hateful anti-Semitic garbage.

239 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:52:29pm

re: #226 jcm

Amen to that.

240 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:53:15pm

re: #198 Charles

Dude. You're a "conservative" ... named after a South Park character?

Not bustin' your chops here, it's cool with me. Just that most people don't really think "conservative" when they think of South Park.

Maybe he's a South Park Conservative.

241 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:53:56pm

Classical liberal here....meaning that the GOP isn't always a comfortable fit for me. I don't want my politicians to spout off about bedroom issues (and based on the past several years, they really should not even try) .... but certainly couldn't vote for most democrats these days.

242 pat  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:54:00pm

re: #235 MigueldowninMexico

What a Bizantinian question!
I'm sure Justinian would be delighted to discuss this with Moulitsas for a couple of years.

I am sure you would be banished to a Muslim farm for your spelling.
/from the most totally inept speller and typist

243 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:54:25pm

re: #202 Noam Sayin'

Ah, crap.

I'll have you know my attorneys are mean, gay and really don't like women.

And they love saphires, too.

;)

A whole bucket...

In my garage...

Well, I just give up.

Have your people send to my people the size of your biggest stone.

244 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:54:34pm

re: #238 U.S.S. Nixon

Pat Buchanan is definitely a conservative.

No- he's an anti-Semitic populist isolationist asshole.

245 lummox  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:54:44pm

You keep using this word conservative. I don't think it means what you think it means.

/Ingio

246 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:55:13pm

re: #238 U.S.S. Nixon

If you dont mind my asking, how old are you?

247 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:55:16pm

re: #242 pat

I am sure you would be banished to a Muslim farm for your spelling.
/from the most totally inept speller and typist

Why thanks!
With friends like you...
LOL

248 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:56:04pm

re: #230 Noam Sayin'

With saphires.

And rubies, which were in the bucket under the bucket of saphires.

Heh.

Is that not a material breach?!

Fiend!

249 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:56:25pm

re: #244 Sharmuta

No- he's an anti-Semitic populist isolationist asshole.

Yes, yes he is. He had so much else going for him, it is too bad he mixed those in.

250 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:56:42pm

Pat Buchanan or Pat Chivas?

251 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:56:49pm

I do think that the emergence of a conservative Daily Kos will be necessary an important, in the next few years.

I don't mean something that resembles Kos in form, or in vociferousness, et cetera -- I mean that Kos has pulled off something that conservatives need to match, or at least nullify: a level of online organization that 1) draws an enormous audience, and 2) spills over into organized action, in a significant way. The power there is great enough that it influences -- or even directs -- politicians.

That big annual Kos conference ain't nothing to sneeze at.

252 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:56:55pm

re: #241 funky chicken

Classical liberal here....meaning that the GOP isn't always a comfortable fit for me. I don't want my politicians to spout off about bedroom issues (and based on the past several years, they really should not even try) .... but certainly couldn't vote for most democrats these days.

Classical liberal here too... in modern lingo I say small "c" conservative / small "l" libertarian. Built on the idea of LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY.

253 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:57:02pm

According to conventional wisdom, so many hearts swell for Obama because of the prospect of electing our first black president. That’s part of it, but surely not all. Among white voters, there is no recent precedent for such emotional extremes being evoked by issues of race.

Ah but religion — that certainly has the power to call forth swoons and palpitations.

Obama has been shrewd to cast himself as an explicitly religious candidate, as in the campaign flier that’s been circulated in southern states. It shows the candidate standing at a church pulpit with a glowing cross behind him, surmounting inspirational quotes from Obama such as: “My faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want, but I won’t be fulfilling God’s will unless I go out and do the Lord’s work.”

Obama courts the perception that his campaign isn’t just a campaign but a spiritual quest that voters are invited to join. As he declared before the New Hampshire primary, “I am going to try to be so persuasive, so that those of you who are still wavering...will suddenly come to the conclusion — a light beam will shine through — will light you up — and you will experience an epiphany — I have to vote for Barack!”

This is all in contrast to John McCain’s approach. McCain has been strikingly shy about uttering anything like a statement of faith. To do so would likely be foreign to his personality. What then?

How about a statement of worldview? Grounded, ideally, in his Christian beliefs; but if not, that’s okay, too. The word, “worldview,” is popular among the Evangelical constituency that McCain urgently needs to draw to his side, evoking the contention, shared by other religious believers, that “religion” is too narrow a word for the life commitment that most stirs our passions.

Christianity or Judaism offers not just a set of patterns of worship, ritual, or dogma but a picture of reality. A big picture, explaining not only what’s right and wrong in public and private life, but why they are right or wrong, why making such distinctions matters, and how it all fits together with man’s origins and his ultimate end.

A worldview is more than a political philosophy. It gives meaning to life.

Obama’s candidacy represents not just a set of policy preferences — about which he’s often vague — but rather, a potential source of such meaning for his supporters. In a time like ours when there is no obvious and immediate threat to our physical existence, ultimate questions come begging at our sleeve to be answered.

We live in a strange and sad time when secularism has hollowed out confidence in the traditional answers to the great questions of life. To be so ungrounded, as many Americans are, in a faith in anything greater than your own appetites and interests is bound to evoke anxiety, even dread. Obama implicitly addresses himself to that existential condition.

As for John McCain, more invocations of “service to country” are not going to cut it. A country, even a great one, is not a source of ultimate meaning or value.

Life has meaning to John McCain. Let him tell us why, in his own style, even if he must preface the discussion by admitting that to speak so personally makes this old-fashioned man uncomfortable. The military has its unique idiom for discussing matters of spirituality, a way of communicating that’s available to McCain.

The gesture of opening himself up, telling us candidly what he believes beyond Social Security or health-care reform could go a long way toward giving his unenthused admirers reason to care about him. We would admire him, then, not for what he did at the Hanoi Hilton 40 years ago but for the quality of his soul now.

254 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:57:33pm

re: #251 Cognito

I do think that the emergence of a conservative Daily Kos will be necessary an important, in the next few years.

I don't mean something that resembles Kos in form, or in vociferousness, et cetera -- I mean that Kos has pulled off something that conservatives need to match, or at least nullify: a level of online organization that 1) draws an enormous audience, and 2) spills over into organized action, in a significant way. The power there is great enough that it influences -- or even directs -- politicians.

That big annual Kos conference ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Ahhh-choo!

255 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:57:42pm

re: #244 Sharmuta

No- he's an anti-Semitic populist isolationist asshole.

OWWW, OWWW, just snorted beer up my nose.
ROFL!

256 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:58:20pm

LOL Charles!

257 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:58:41pm

re: #238 U.S.S. Nixon

Pat Buchanan is definitely a conservative. Hes not a Neo-Con (Which is really a filthy liberal). But no one wants there to be a Conservative Daily Kos, we have lives and don't have time to buzz around the internet 22 hours a day spewing hateful anti-Semitic garbage.

FUCK PAT BUCHANAN.

258 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:58:57pm

re: #254 Charles

I'll laugh louder at that if Obama loses.

259 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:59:12pm

And Cognito: I think you're not just wrong here, you're way wrong. Political parties need to influence politicians. Blogs need to tell the truth.

The gap between these two concepts is galactic in size.

260 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 9:59:51pm

re: #255 jcm

Sorry!

261 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:00:08pm

OT I don't know if it was mentioned on the Father's Day thread but Obama gave his pappy a present today. A hard shove under the bus.

We need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception. We need them to realize that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child - it's the courage to raise one.

[snip]

I know the toll that being a single parent took on my mother - how she struggled at times to the pay bills; to give us the things that other kids had; to play all the roles that both parents are supposed to play.

262 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:00:13pm

re: #237 gman

There was an article over at Qando that you would like:

Thank you!

So the area impacted by this "new" regulation holds around 10% of the Polar Bear population. You would think from the article that they're all affected. Just shilling for the leftist greenies, huh, AP.

263 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:00:56pm

Huh, bolluxed up that comment. It's become a pattern with me. I meant to say that that came from an article at NR that just had me shaking my head. I don't want a religious leader in my presidential candidates. GW Bush played the religion card big time to get the GOP nomination, and it really turned me off.

Of course the author of that article is this guy:

— David Klinghoffer is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and the author of How Would God Vote? Why the Bible Commands You to Be a Conservative.

ech

264 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:01:08pm

re: #251 Cognito

That big annual Kos conference ain't nothing to sneeze at.

/did you miss the part where they actually had a tin foil hat fashion contest?

265 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:01:10pm

You can think hes an asshole and you might be right but hes a conservative.

266 Syrah  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:01:38pm

re: #248 MandyManners

Everything happens so fast on the internet. Some people even manage to get divorces before they even get married.

[I was waiting to hear more about the lizards on the cake and
KaBlamo! It's all over.]

267 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:01:58pm

re: #263 funky chicken

Huh, bolluxed up that comment. It's become a pattern with me. I meant to say that that came from an article at NR that just had me shaking my head. I don't want a religious leader in my presidential candidates. GW Bush played the religion card big time to get the GOP nomination, and it really turned me off.

Of course the author of that article is this guy:


ech

He must be an Obamist.
Hoffe means Hope in German.

He clings to HOPE!

268 Inquisitive  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:02:30pm

re: #209 psyop

CONGRATULATIONS! on that new son of yours

269 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:02:31pm

re: #259 Charles

And Cognito: I think you're not just wrong here, you're way wrong. Political parties need to influence politicians. Blogs need to tell the truth.

The gap between these two concepts is galactic in size.

I too believe blogs need to tell the truth.

And, maybe shockingly, politicians should as well. So I don't think telling the truth and being influential are exclusive. Buckley springs to mind.

My point is that Kos (not so much the guy, as the site) has harnessed the scope of the internet in a way that sure would be handy for conservatives.

270 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:02:44pm

Cartman's personal definition of conservatism:

A. Get big gubmint the f**k out of my face (and)
B. Stop taxing me to death and stop punishing achievement.
C. Stop crippling generation after generation of Americans with government handouts, aka. "the dole".
D. Deal swiftly and harshly with any and all that threaten this great nation, domestic or foreign.
E. Stop the evil that is creeping socialism before it destroys the host, as it always does.
F. Leave me alone, and let me eat my waffle.

271 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:03:12pm

ah, but who defines the truth? Two people see the same thing and there are three versions of the event. I am sure that if LGF and KOS were given the same info different diaries would emerge.

If we all agree that KOS is the hard left of the Dems, what would a hard right site look like? Isn't the leader of this site at "war" with some hard right sites already? For the life of me I am not sure what a conservative KOS site would finally look like.

272 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:03:17pm

re: #238 U.S.S. Nixon

we have lives and don't have time to buzz around the internet 22 hours a day spewing hateful anti-Semitic garbage.

You mean like pat buchanan?

273 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:03:23pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout
I just re-read your comment (proving, once again, that speed reading is not my forte!) and just really read that last paragraph.
Heaven forbid we should annoy the Polar Bears!
Well, at least not up close and personal, anyway!

274 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:03:48pm

re: #270 Cartman

Cartman's personal definition of conservatism:

A. Get big gubmint the f**k out of my face (and)
B. Stop taxing me to death and stop punishing achievement.
C. Stop crippling generation after generation of Americans with government handouts, aka. "the dole".
D. Deal swiftly and harshly with any and all that threaten this great nation, domestic or foreign.
E. Stop the evil that is creeping socialism before it destroys the host, as it always does.
F. Leave me alone, and let me eat my waffle.

G. Clinging to my guns is a Constitutional right!

275 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:03:56pm

re: #264 Killian Bundy

/did you miss the part where they actually had a tin foil hat fashion contest?

[Link: eclectech.co.uk...]

276 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:04:17pm

re: #269 Cognito

I too believe blogs need to tell the truth.

And, maybe shockingly, politicians should as well. So I don't think telling the truth and being influential are exclusive. Buckley springs to mind.

My point is that Kos (not so much the guy, as the site) has harnessed the scope of the internet in a way that sure would be handy for conservatives.

And if there's a blog who can be the conservative Daily Kos, more power to it. But then it will be exactly what Daily Kos is -- a shill.

277 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:04:44pm

"We are all individuals" - Kos Kids en mass ala Monty Python

"I'm not." - DT

278 otterpooka  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:04:45pm

re: #161 rockdad

ty & U2

279 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:05:03pm

re: #264 Killian Bundy

/did you miss the part where they actually had a tin foil hat fashion contest?

No, no -- let me be clear -- the content at Kos is hardly even worth the effort of a sneeze.

What's more important, and where I was trying to go here, is whether it's used for good or evil, Kos is a powerful tool.

/double entendre

280 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:05:05pm

re: #248 MandyManners

Is that not a material breach?!

Fiend!

I'm sorry. My mean, gay, woman-hating attorneys have advised me that no such arrangement of rubies for engagement or betrothement has been entered, offered, nor agreed upon.

281 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:05:48pm

re: #270 Cartman

Cartman's personal definition of conservatism:

A. Get big gubmint the f**k out of my face (and)
B. Stop taxing me to death and stop punishing achievement.
C. Stop crippling generation after generation of Americans with government handouts, aka. "the dole".
D. Deal swiftly and harshly with any and all that threaten this great nation, domestic or foreign.
E. Stop the evil that is creeping socialism before it destroys the host, as it always does.
F. Leave me alone, and let me eat my waffle.

DT version: "Get off me." inspired by Dylan, 7, on the bottom of the boy pile.

282 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:05:58pm

re: #273 realwest

I just re-read your comment (proving, once again, that speed reading is not my forte!) and just really read that last paragraph.
Heaven forbid we should annoy the Polar Bears!
Well, at least not up close and personal, anyway!

That paragraph was the first sentence of an AP news story.

And you're right, of course, no one should ever annoy the polar bears (fer cryin' out loud).

283 Charles  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:06:03pm

re: #279 Cognito

No, no -- let me be clear -- the content at Kos is hardly even worth the effort of a sneeze.

What's more important, and where I was trying to go here, is whether it's used for good or evil, Kos is a powerful tool.

/double entendre

Nope. In point of fact, the Daily Kos endorsement has been a serious Kiss of Death for politicians. Their "influence" is vastly overblown.

284 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:06:17pm

re: #277 DistantThunder

"We are all individuals" - Kos Kids en mass ala Monty Python

"I'm not." - DT

That's right! Sometimes I do read KOS and think, man this is a great parody or satire. Sadly it's not.

285 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:06:24pm

re: #266 Syrah

Everything happens so fast on the internet. Some people even manage to get divorces before they even get married.

[I was waiting to hear more about the lizards on the cake and
KaBlamo! It's all over.]

This is my Sinatra.

286 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:07:01pm

re: #283 Charles

Nope. In point of fact, the Daily Kos endorsement has been a serious Kiss of Death for politicians. Their "influence" is vastly overblown.

21-0 IS Marko's score.

21 endorsed. Zero in office.

287 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:07:07pm

Oh, good. Cognito's here.

G'night, everyone.

288 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:07:23pm

Hey, Rome wasn't built in a day. Why would we expect Charles to be any faster?

Jackson Hole! So nice tonight....

Gonna getch up and comment later ...

289 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:07:25pm

re: #268 Inquisitive

thx!

290 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:07:34pm

re: #283 Charles

Their "influence" is vastly overblown.

They are legends in their own minds...

291 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:08:06pm

re: #274 jcm

G. Clinging to my guns is a Constitutional right!

Damn. I forgot that one. Very important!

292 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:08:25pm

re: #289 psyop

thx!

Hello there. Did you become a father today?

293 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:08:42pm

re: #271 kingronjo

ah, but who defines the truth? Two people see the same thing and there are three versions of the event. I am sure that if LGF and KOS were given the same info different diaries would emerge.

If we all agree that KOS is the hard left of the Dems, what would a hard right site look like? Isn't the leader of this site at "war" with some hard right sites already? For the life of me I am not sure what a conservative KOS site would finally look like.

Responsible Republicans
Dysfunctional Democrats

Which is going to have the most entertaining, zany site?

294 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:08:56pm

re: #280 Noam Sayin'

I'm sorry. My mean, gay, woman-hating attorneys have advised me that no such arrangement of rubies for engagement or betrothement has been entered, offered, nor agreed upon.

Cough up the sapphires, then. Or, that primate reproduction thingy.

295 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:09:46pm

re: #270 Cartman

Thing is, if you don't align on the social issues you are a RINO.

296 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:10:03pm

re: #271 kingronjo
"Isn't the leader of this site at "war" with some hard right sites already? "
Um, WHAT? Charles is at "war" with fascist, neo-nazi sites, but those aren't "hard right sites" those are just visciuous fronts for the return of Nazi's and are populated with feral people.
I honestly can't think of any "Conservative" sites with whom Charles is at war. And to deny the existence of truth or rather to allow "truth" to be defined by just anyone is nonsense; "truth" is something subject to rigorous analysis and scientific, statistical and historical evidence (e.g., if you lower taxes, employment goes up).

297 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:10:28pm

re: #286 MigueldowninMexico

21-0 IS Marko's score.

21 endorsed. Zero in office.

Wow - I hope he keeps going - when do you think he'll notice. Seems to take these oblivious Obama-types about 20 years to notice anything is amiss.

298 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:10:42pm

re: #295 karmic_inquisitor

Align which way?

299 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:11:06pm
How Many Kos Kidz Can Dance on the Head of a Pin?

Trick question. Kos Kidz are too awkward to properly dance.

/

300 kywrite  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:11:14pm
301 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:11:37pm

re: #276 Charles

And if there's a blog who can be the conservative Daily Kos, more power to it. But then it will be exactly what Daily Kos is -- a shill.

Mm.

Maybe you're right. But I'm not sure that size and strength require shilling and stupidity.

Maybe so, though.

“I’d pet ‘em, and pretty soon they bit my fingers and I pinched their heads a little and then they was dead—because they was so little.”

- Lennie Small

302 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:11:38pm

re: #297 DistantThunder

Wow - I hope he keeps going - when do you think he'll notice. Seems to take these oblivious Obama-types about 20 years to notice anything is amiss.

The best news is that endorsement #22 is going to be......

TARAN!

Shhhh...

I hope he keeps in obliviousness lol

303 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:11:44pm

re: #292 MigueldowninMexico

Not today, it was actually Tuesday. I apologize for the confusion.

I blame JCM...

I am, nonetheless, a father for the second time, thanks to my 5 day old son.

304 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:12:19pm

re: #173 Killian Bundy

Any radio scanner enthusiasts out there? Can you just ask a venue like the Excel Energy Center for their radio frequencies or do you need to go capture them?

/it's not like they can hide them unless they're encrypted

I doubt very much if they would just give them out to anybody that asked. Companies think they own the airwaves and what they say is private. On the other hand, I have a good friend and radio hobbyists (Ham) that works for Excel here in town. I'll see if he knows what frequencies are in use and let you know what I find out.

305 RonPaulBlimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:12:39pm

re: #254 Charles

Ahhh-choo!

LGF should have its own "convention"... not based in politics at all but a large gathering like a bad ass cookout and a leisurely bike ride.

306 gman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:01pm

re: #279 Cognito

No, no -- let me be clear -- the content at Kos is hardly even worth the effort of a sneeze.

What's more important, and where I was trying to go here, is whether it's used for good or evil, Kos is a powerful tool.

/double entendre

Kos is a powerful tool for the left which serves the left's purpose. Conservatives should be asking themselves what is the best design for their purposes and let form follow function. I don't think the irrational, shrieking diary model (eg. using false titles and expletives to get someone to read the diary) will work for conservatives.

307 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:14pm

re: #287 Noam Sayin'

Oh, good. Cognito's here.

G'night, everyone.

with a cogent yet ultimately unconvincing point,no less..

308 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:19pm

re: #303 psyop

Not today, it was actually Tuesday. I apologize for the confusion.

I blame JCM...

I am, nonetheless, a father for the second time, thanks to my 5 day old son.

Ok, still very close to Father's Day!
Congratulations and may everything in your family be always fine with God's blessing ;)

jcm goes free or charge! (Slams mallet) ;)

309 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:32pm

re: #207 ronpaulblimpie

Matt Stone (one of the Southpark Creators) is rumored to be a republican. Trey Parker is a libertarian. And I love the comment stone made saying ""I hate conservatives, but I really f---ing hate liberals."

they received an award from people for the american way. showed up in red white and blue suits, had larry elder introduce them, on stage said "we're republicans" and everybody laughed, then said "no....seriously..." to no laughter

one of the best southpark lines

310 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:37pm

Bring back the Tea Party Republicans. (I know they didn;t exist then - but they would have been in charge of the tea party.
How about the Civil War Republicans. or
Martin Luther King Republicans.

Reagan Republicans

Pres. Bush also did well by us in many, many ways. European leaders seem to love him. The left is confused and baffled by this.

311 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:13:59pm

Realwest in (I think?) #180 said:

I think FreeRepublic is more "conservative" and frankly FAR less tolerant of folks with "different" ideas and therefore find LGF far superior to FreeRepublic.

I think FreeRepublic is actually the closest thing to a "conservative" Kos, actually. I'd forgotten about them...

off to bed if I can't manage the simply elegant comment section anymore :-)

312 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:14:17pm

re: #283 Charles

Nope. In point of fact, the Daily Kos endorsement has been a serious Kiss of Death for politicians. Their "influence" is vastly overblown.

Hope! Change! oh wait that didn't work.... screw them!

313 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:14:37pm

re: #308 MigueldowninMexico

Thank you, very much.

314 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:14:37pm

re: #303 psyop

Not today, it was actually Tuesday. I apologize for the confusion.

I blame JCM...

I am, nonetheless, a father for the second time, thanks to my 5 day old son.

Guilty as charged!

Rounds on me! Cheers for the newest little lizard psyop!
Hope psyop's no cheapskate on cigars!
;-)

315 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:14:38pm

All in all blogs serve the purpose of putting stories forward for discussion. When a blog works well, those that comment will bring in more information and smack down purely political mantras.

Problem is most voters don't read anything and vote the party they grew up with until some epiphany (real or felt).

KOS may serve a purpose politically but strengthens none of it's readers to actually argue for their beliefs.

The day bumper sticker politics stops working is the day conservative blogs will blossom.

316 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:14:48pm

re: #292 MigueldowninMexico Hey, Hola Amigo! How are you tonight - er, early morning? Well I hope my friend!

317 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:15:00pm

re: #305 RonPaulBlimpie

Must be near a gun range. Give all lizards who pack a chance to show off their shinies. :)

318 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:15:18pm

re: #305 RonPaulBlimpie

LGF should have its own "convention"... not based in politics at all but a large gathering like a bad ass cookout and a leisurely bike ride.

Have to be an a gun range.....

319 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:15:40pm

re: #317 BlueCanuck

Must be near a gun range. Give all lizards who pack a chance to show off their shinies. :)

re: #318 jcm

Have to be an a gun range.....

GMTA!

320 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:15:53pm

re: #306 gman

Kos is a powerful tool for the left which serves the left's purpose. Conservatives should be asking themselves what is the best design for their purposes and let form follow function. I don't think the irrational, shrieking diary model (eg. using false titles and expletives to get someone to read the diary) will work for conservatives.

Powerful like drain cleaner - good if it's a plugged sink, bad for almost anything else. In other words - toxic.

321 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:15:58pm

re: #301 Cognito


dude,that's WAY creepy..

322 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:16:03pm

re: #318 jcm

GMTA. :)

323 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:16:03pm

JCM
Some Cuban cigars ;)

324 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:16:34pm

re: #316 realwest

Hey, Hola Amigo! How are you tonight - er, early morning? Well I hope my friend!

I'm doing fine, thank God :) Thank you real.
How about you and your mom?

325 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:16:42pm

re: #263 funky chicken

Ha! I thought you had taken a good bit of time to write an interesting essay to provoke thought.

I'm very much inclined to agree w/ you about the danger (and idiocy) of looking for religion in politics or spiritual inspiration from politicians. Nevertheless, I do believe that a politician's fundamental values and outlook matter a great deal.

Go back to a previous (long) post on this thread quoting Laura Ingraham's reaction to McCain townhall performance. He knows where he stands on national security and defending America, and so he addresses them with energy and seriousness. But where does he stand on other issues? I would submit that his inadequacy in addressing the other ones has a lot to do with his not having any real, thought-out philosophy about them.

BTW--- I don't dismiss an opinion piece because of the writer's name or his connections. In saner times doing so was called the genetic fallacy.
(I am very sceptical of information that comes from dubious sources, however!)

326 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:16:54pm

re: #267 MigueldowninMexico

:-) gnight

327 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:03pm

re: #323 MigueldowninMexico

JCM
Some Cuban cigars ;)

Ahhhhhh! That's good.

328 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:13pm

re: #300 kywrite

Thanks, I was just going to post that.

329 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:14pm

re: #317 BlueCanuck

Must be near a gun range. Give all lizards who pack a chance to show off their shinies. :)

We did that at the LGFOhio meetup. Damn near looked like a mini-insurgency. ;)

330 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:16pm

re: #305 RonPaulBlimpie

LGF should have its own "convention"... not based in politics at all but a large gathering like a bad ass cookout and a leisurely bike ride.

with beer and firearms..

331 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:24pm

re: #321 joecitizen

dude,that's WAY creepy..

Isn't it, though?

I figured Lennie makes a good metaphor for Kos: Big and strong and wrong, with (so far) the touch of death.

332 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:17:46pm

re: #326 funky chicken

:-) gnight

Good night, f.c.! ;)

333 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:18:17pm

Frankly- I think it's up to the party and/or candidates to rally the base. This is not the responsibility of bloggers, talk show hosts or pundits and it's really unfair to push this responsibility off on them.

334 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:18:43pm

re: #330 joecitizen

maybe firearms then beer.

335 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:18:54pm

re: #190 jcm

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT THREAD BACK!

So what's the big deal?

j/k

// {;-)™

336 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:19:50pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

Frankly- I think it's up to the party and/or candidates to rally the base. This is not the responsibility of bloggers, talk show hosts or pundits and it's really unfair to push this responsibility off on them.

McCain has to woo me and date me, otherwise I'm not going to the prom with him and I'm not putting out...money. So there.

337 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:20:05pm

Why does the Right need a Daily Kos?

If we had a Daily Kos, the Beckel/Johnson "whitey tape" dirty trick mighta worked.

338 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:20:17pm

re: #298 Cartman

Align which way?

Well - take McCain as an example.

He is pro life and has been all of his political career. Yet he is held as "weak" on pro life by Limbaugh and Ingram because he told Rick Santorum to back off on some amendment that Santorum had concocted that "would get everyone on record" regarding abortion but was not ever going to pass.

I don't remember the particulars, but Santorum got bent out of shape and decided to make war on McCain, which he has. So McCain, even though he "aligns" on pro-life is still considered too weak and willing to compromise on "social issues". Think gang of 14 (also think of how screwed the Republicans would be now without the filibuster, which was the rule Trent Lott was going to get rid of).

As things are playing out, those "social issues" are more important to Rush and Ingram that winning a fucking war. Because if Obama wins, we lose a war. To the jihad. Then we get to fight it all over again in a decade as they are carving Obama's face onto Rushmore.

But we sure will have made our stand on the social issues.

I agree with everything on your list. But I put winning the war against jihad above the social issues (including abortion). So I am a RINO.

339 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:20:43pm

re: #335 Da_Beerfreak

So what's the big deal?

j/k

// {;-)™

Those are fightin' words.

Congrats to mom, pop, and little one.

340 kingronjo  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:20:43pm

re: #296 realwest

"Isn't the leader of this site at "war" with some hard right sites already? "
Um, WHAT? Charles is at "war" with fascist, neo-nazi sites, but those aren't "hard right sites" those are just visciuous fronts for the return of Nazi's and are populated with feral people.
I honestly can't think of any "Conservative" sites with whom Charles is at war. And to deny the existence of truth or rather to allow "truth" to be defined by just anyone is nonsense; "truth" is something subject to rigorous analysis and scientific, statistical and historical evidence (e.g., if you lower taxes, employment goes up).

I am quite sure that the sites that you state as 'neo-nazi' their leaders and followers would deny that and make counter claims of their political leanings about this and other sites that are assailing them.

As to 'truth' by just using your example of (lower taxes, employment goes up). That is something I do know a little (actually a lot) about. That statement is flatly not true. Actually the tax/employment is similar to a Bell Curve. Taking the easiest example if you lower taxes to 0% you would no longer have any government employment. And there are jobs that government needs to do that the private sector is just ill equpped or not legally allowed to do.

Or if you prefer, the private sector would do them too efficiently eliminating jobs in that manner. It's a very silly example but it goes to show you that the truth is very often a matter of interpretation in non-scientific areas.

(I believe in lowering taxes too, most professional competent, economists will tell you that the most efficient top tax rate is 25% btw).

341 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:20:49pm

re: #324 MigueldowninMexico We are doing ok, thanks for asking! It sure is good to see you out here, but I fear that our timing is such that seeing you out here means I've missed my bedtime! LOL!

342 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:21:00pm

re: #304 Da_Beerfreak

I doubt very much if they would just give them out to anybody that asked. Companies think they own the airwaves and what they say is private. On the other hand, I have a good friend and radio hobbyists (Ham) that works for Excel here in town. I'll see if he knows what frequencies are in use and let you know what I find out.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Otherwise, if I don't get it from the Minnesota radio groups I'm having to subscribe to, I'll just go down there during a major event and capture them.

/I'm determined to monitor the convention, probably need the major hotel frequencies too

343 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:21:12pm

re: #315 Metal Man

All in all blogs serve the purpose of putting stories forward for discussion. When a blog works well, those that comment will bring in more information and smack down purely political mantras.

Problem is most voters don't read anything and vote the party they grew up with until some epiphany (real or felt).

KOS may serve a purpose politically but strengthens none of it's readers to actually argue for their beliefs.

The day bumper sticker politics stops working is the day conservative blogs will blossom.


That may be true, but the matter of fact is I didn't really start getting politically involved until I actually started following the blogs. I've really started learned more about voting for the party since I did so.

344 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:21:13pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

Frankly- I think it's up to the party and/or candidates to rally the base. This is not the responsibility of bloggers, talk show hosts or pundits and it's really unfair to push this responsibility off on them.


McCain is just the guy to fire up the base too

345 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:21:36pm

re: #330 joecitizen

with beer and firearms..

and naughty sex.

346 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:22:46pm

re: #341 realwest

We are doing ok, thanks for asking! It sure is good to see you out here, but I fear that our timing is such that seeing you out here means I've missed my bedtime! LOL!

It's pass 2 am around your area, yes lol

I'll see you around here some day, anyway .
I'm glad you are doing fine! :)

347 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:23:39pm

re: #336 DistantThunder

re: #344 spidly

Ironically- it's the other candidate that's gotten me fired up- to defeat him.

348 solomonpanting  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:24:14pm

re: #290 gop_patriot

They are legends in their own minds...

They are alleged in their own time.

349 Cognito  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:24:22pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

re: #344 spidly

Ironically- it's the other candidate that's gotten me fired up- to defeat him.

That's bad news.

350 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:24:26pm

Daily Kos is life replacement like a protein shake is meal replacement.

Conservatives have real, functional lives, live longer, and are happier and more honest. What's the clean version of dog poop?

351 psyop  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:24:28pm

re: #314 jcm

Guilty as charged!

Rounds on me! Cheers for the newest little lizard psyop!
Hope psyop's no cheapskate on cigars!
;-)

Macanudos for anyone willing to drive to Everett, WA....

352 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:24:37pm

Hey Miguel.

Are we the night crew tonight?

353 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:25:17pm

re: #350 DistantThunder

Daily Kos is life replacement like a protein shake is meal replacement.

Conservatives have real, functional lives, live longer, and are happier and more honest. What's the clean version of dog poop?

An inverted plastic bag?

354 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:25:19pm

re: #338 karmic_inquisitor

I agree with everything on your list. But I put winning the war against jihad above the social issues (including abortion). So I am a RINO.

I thought a RINO (Repub In Name Only) was the exact opposite.

355 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:25:26pm

re: #352 AmeriDan

Hey Miguel.

Are we the night crew tonight?

I think we are.

/Always ready ;)

356 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:25:57pm

re: #340 kingronjo
"Taking the easiest example if you lower taxes to 0% you would no longer have any government employment." You say that as if that's a bad thing!
/
But to the more important issue - the sites Charles is, as you put it, "at war with" are clearly and demonstrably neo-Nazi or White Nationalist sites; I won't suggest you go there (without a Hazmat suit anyway) nor will I ever link to them. But please, take my word for it, they are Neo-Nazi or White Nationalists sites - and they reveal themselves in all their narcissistic glory every day.

357 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #349 Cognito

Actually- it's an improvement. I was thinking of leaving that section of my ballot blank.

358 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:26:36pm

Oprah gives the Commencement at Stanford.

When you are doing the work you are meant to do, it feels right," she said, as the Class of 2008 snapped photographs with their cell phones and tossed beach balls to each other in the warm morning sun. "Feelings are really your GPS system for life. Check your ego at the door and check your gut instead.

That the problem, Oprah, not the solution. Don't do what "feels" right, do what IS right. What "feels" right puts "ME" first now. It place the focus on the individuals emotions, now. That is ultimately destructive.

Do what is right, be virtuous in all you do, take responsibility for everything you do, do your duty to family, faith, community, and country. That is what in the end will leave a legacy.

359 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:26:54pm

re: #355 MigueldowninMexico

I think we are.

/Always ready ;)

Fruit cups a long ways off, but it's nothing when haven't done before.

/DUTY

360 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:27:41pm

re: #359 AmeriDan

Fruit cups a long ways off, but it's nothing when haven't done before.

/DUTY

3 1/2 hours to go.

I might drop off during the process lol
;)

361 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:28:08pm

Congrats to Psyop! Now THAT's a Father's Day gift!

362 RonPaulBlimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:28:16pm

re: #344 spidly

McCain is just the guy to fire up the base too

I think you can fire up the base with this alone:

Justice John Paul Stevens = 88 years old.

I'm not even going to rant about this clown and how he should have retired before Bush's term was at the end. Oh. I think I just did.

363 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:28:24pm

re: #354 Cartman

I thought a RINO (Repub In Name Only) was the exact opposite.

We can run chew gum and hit the tennis ball all at the same time. Our urban centers are having horrendous crime spikes: Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, LA have a big spike in murders and violent crimes this month. Large sectors of our society are imploding, financially, and educationally, and the middle-class wants to pretend it isn't happening.

364 realwest  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:28:25pm

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all, but I gotta get some sleep NOW.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all!

365 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:28:58pm

re: #364 realwest
night

366 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:29:15pm

Weet dreams!

367 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:29:22pm

re: #364 realwest

Goodnight, RW ! Sleep well !

368 RonPaulBlimpie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:29:49pm

Peace, realwest. Sleep good.

369 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:30:05pm

re: #358 jcm

"Feelings are really your GPS system for life."

This "touchy-feely" bullshit is really getting to me. I hold Oprah partially responsible for that mess.

370 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:30:07pm

re: #360 MigueldowninMexico

3 1/2 hours to go.

I might drop off during the process lol
;)

Go right ahead... I promise not to put shaving cream in your hand and tickle your nose with a feather this time.

/Trust me

371 jcm  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:30:19pm

Checking out myself.

Night all.

372 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:30:28pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

re: #344 spidly

Ironically- it's the other candidate that's gotten me fired up- to defeat him.

you oppose the messiah?!? you should ask the Goracle for guidance and forgiveness.

373 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:30:46pm

re: #370 AmeriDan

Go right ahead... I promise not to put shaving cream in your hand and tickle your nose with a feather this time.

/Trust me

Hahahahahaha!

Hmmmm (suspitious)
lol

374 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:31:12pm

re: #364 realwest

G'nite Real. Weet dreams.

375 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:31:24pm

Infiltrating Yearly Kos: Tinfoil hats spotted

/imagine if Republicans did this

376 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:31:50pm

re: #358 jcm

Oprah gives the Commencement at Stanford.

That the problem, Oprah, not the solution. Don't do what "feels" right, do what IS right. What "feels" right puts "ME" first now. It place the focus on the individuals emotions, now. That is ultimately destructive.

Do what is right, be virtuous in all you do, take responsibility for everything you do, do your duty to family, faith, community, and country. That is what in the end will leave a legacy.

Which is exactly the opposite of Christianity which says: Turn the other cheek, make sacrifices, live life based on principles not feelings. Oprah is part of the reason the black community has a 70% out of wedlock birth rate - those mom's and dads are doing what's in their hearts. Duty, honor, responsibility.

"My ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts." -Isaiah

377 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:33:45pm

re: #343 turn

I work with mostly blue collar workers and this is not what they surf on the internet. Get bank looks from almost all when current problems on LGF are brought up.

They believe mostly what I believe but don't see it is their job to fix it. Just like work as long as the higher ups keep them employed they're good.

This is the only thing that keeps the parties competitive. Dems get it when the economy sucks during a Repub admin then the Repubs get it when the economy drops during a Dem Admin. This is the cycle that needs to stop.

378 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:34:07pm

re: #369 Cartman

This "touchy-feely" bullshit is really getting to me. I hold Oprah partially responsible for that mess.

She is partially right. A well educated conscience will allow your feelings to accurately guide and direct your behavior, but those feelings will be anchored in healthy values that promote the best options for the most people.

The problem is that most people do not have well educated consciences.

379 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:34:43pm

re: #369 Cartman

This "touchy-feely" bullshit is really getting to me. I hold Oprah partially responsible for that mess.

made my father-in-law a sign to counterbalance all the "food, family, fun" crap his wife hangs - 'fear anger hatred' crudely plased out of stainless and bolted to mild plate I torched and quenced for rusty warpedness; barb wire to hang it.

380 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:35:13pm

re: #354 Cartman

Having been called RINO in several forums (and by Ms. Ingram herself when I called in and presented the same point), I feel secure in saying that RINO applies to weakness the social package.

Santorum, Dick Armey, Trent Lott and all of the other REAL conservatives managed to almost double the size of government in 6 years. That ain't conservatism in my book, but my book doesn't count. And McCain at least had the balls to put up a protest vote on tax cuts BECAUSE there weren't any spending cuts.

The K Street project was about taking over the Democrats franchise of giving Government money away in exchange for votes. They were sent there to destroy that Democratic franchise.

And the aftermath? Somehow, we have a country actually contemplating that tax increases and more government regulation is a GOOD thing when done by Democrats. That is how much these ass holes have screwed over the brand.

381 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:35:46pm

re: #376 DistantThunder

Just one more instance of rich liberals advocating attitudes and behaviors that may not hurt them too much, but utterly destroy classes w/ fewer resouces to fall back on.

382 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:36:42pm

re: #373 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahahahaha!

Hmmmm (suspicious)
lol

I'm still pissed at you guys for shaving off half of my mustache and writing "mommas boy" on my forehead with a laundry marker.

/

383 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:38:16pm

re: #378 DistantThunder

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the growing number of people who seem to base every decision on pure, unchecked and usually unreasoned emotion - the classic leftist liberal.

384 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:38:22pm

I do think Oprah is right when she talks about finding a life work that is a personal passion. Mr. DT went from a jr execuitve type - to a survival school director, now owner. From High tech to ultra low tech. He did have this passion since childhood, and derives endless motivation from that passion.

It's better than working 40 years in a soap factory./

385 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:39:24pm

re: #375 Killian Bundy

Infiltrating Yearly Kos: Tinfoil hats spotted

/imagine if Republicans did this

Hahahahahahahaha!

I blame Rove!
Hahahahaha.

386 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:39:38pm

re: #380 karmic_inquisitor

Tom Delay and the K street project were the midwives to the Abramhoff scandal which I knew would be the end of the GOP domination of congress. Why people hold Tom Delay up as some sort of icon is beyond me.

387 winston06  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:39:45pm

re: #134 ronpaulblimpie

I agree

388 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:39:51pm

re: #377 Metal Man

got to think .. bouncing around alot right now

389 winston06  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:41:06pm

re: #135 Sharmuta

He could make a great president... Unfortunately idiots like Ron Paul and company redirected the attention from those who deserved it

390 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:41:30pm

re: #382 AmeriDan

I'm still pissed at you guys for shaving off half of my mustache and writing "mommas boy" on my forehead with a laundry marker.

/

Hahahaha.
I'm getting glimpses of your high school years! LOL

391 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:42:03pm

re: #383 Cartman

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the growing number of people who seem to base every decision on pure, unchecked and usually unreasoned emotion - the classic leftist liberal.

Yes, which is much more of a childish approach to life: ice cream before dinner, staying up too late, blowing all your pennies on one dumb object - all because they FEEL like it.

AS an adult it translates into: bed hopping, drinking binges, spending binges, and physical violence, and physical cowardice.

Feeeeeeelings, nothing more than Feeeeeelings.

392 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:43:12pm

re: #380 karmic_inquisitor

And the aftermath? Somehow, we have a country actually contemplating that tax increases and more government regulation is a GOOD thing when done by Democrats. That is how much these ass holes have screwed over the brand.

I forgot - now they want bloggers like Charles to fix it.

393 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:43:40pm

re: #360 MigueldowninMexico

Don't worry, I have both your's and Ameridans six. :)

/being a proper lurker mostly tonight

394 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:43:59pm

re: #389 winston06

I've made no secret of my lack of enthusiasm for McCain. I think he'd be a better President than obama, of that I have no doubt.

395 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:44:01pm

re: #381 wolfie

Just one more instance of rich liberals advocating attitudes and behaviors that may not hurt them too much, but utterly destroy classes w/ fewer resources to fall back on.

That's their plan, they often whine because their "message" can't fit on a bumper sticker. I call BS because your comment is what their message reveals to the unwashed masses such as myself.

/hope that makes sense.

396 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:44:45pm

We conservatives need to have an intervention with John MCcain. But I don't think he's ready for it. yet.

397 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:44:47pm

re: #384 DistantThunder


Good for you. I'm finally doing something (vocationally) in life that I enjoy as well. Cheers.

398 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:44:48pm

re: #393 BlueCanuck

Don't worry, I have both your's and Ameridans six. :)

/being a proper lurker mostly tonight

Thanks a lot, Blue! ;)

399 Kulhwch  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:46:11pm

This doesn't seem even half OT, with the discussion above ...

As Angelina Jolie once said, sometimes it's not worth chewing through the leather straps in the morning ...

I am a conservative, have probably been one most of my adult life.  But I haven't always been a Republican, if you gather my drift, only made that change in the last decade or two.  And I know many people of many political leanings.  I know a lot of liberals, it goes without saying, and quite a few choice moonbats.

Today a very close personal friend of over 20 years sent me a link.  He does all the knee-jerk jingoism ('blood for oil,' 'impeach shrub,' etc.) but other than that and his continued liberalism, he and his family are nice people, and we get along.  And, as I said, we've been close friends for over 20 years.

He doesn't know that I am a Republican.  I guess I never felt it necessary to come out of the political closet with him or his family.  So today I got this link.

I found the video rude, insulting, hurtful, and full of non-truths and stereotypes.  Nothing redeeming, it seems.  Now, I've asked him to not include me in his political emailings, but I guess this one was too good to resist.

I must have a low threshhold for this sort of thing, because I'm already at the "I've had all I can stans and I can't stans no more" stage.

Some of you may have been in similar places.  Here's my reply:

"Some of the people you're sending this link to are Republicans.  When they get something like this, they note the prejudice, the painting with broad strokes, the lies and half-truths, and the laughter at their expense, hardly earned.  For most of them are just people.  When they get something like this, it's like being black and getting a bunch of n***** jokes, it's like being Irish and getting all the Mick jokes, it's like they're being attacked for no more reason than they have a different ideology.  I don't recall ever attacking liberals like this attacks conservatives.  But this is precisely the reason I requested not to receive the political humor from someone I consider a good friend.  While I trusted in your ability to judge what would and wouldn't be hurtful to send to others, I just thought it would be best to not have any temptation creep in.  Now look at it.  Insulting, rude, hurtful, half truths and lies ... about me and my political leanings.

"I'm sorry you feel this way about me and my political leanings, especially now that you know what they are.  Will you and your family disappear from my life?  I hope not.  Will you attempt to 'rescue' me or lead me back to the fold?  I sincerely hope not, it won't do any good.  What I would like for you to do is to consider never sending me things like this again, and somehow managing to still consider us friends.  For even when your ideology was markedly different than my own, I still considered myself to be your friend."

Well, I guess I'm 'out' now, huh?  I guess now that I am, I should prepare to hunker down and receive a lot more incoming fire too, right?  It has all the earmarks of one of those kinds of elections ...

}:(     [And the world has a new hole in it ... ]

400 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:46:27pm

re: #397 Cartman

Good for you. I'm finally doing something (vocationally) in life that I enjoy as well. Cheers.

And I'm still studying to be a sex therapist which is endlessly fascinating.

401 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:46:55pm

Just to give the Kos kids a boost.

I am staying in my parents basement (fathers out of town and she feels better with someone else in the house) I just got a call from my mother on my cell from upstairs. She thought she heard someone down in their hot tub.
It's windy here and the door was making that horror movie noise.

Glad I was here cause even I was a little scared to go check it out.

Kos kiddies this is why you should sleep in your parents basement past your 20s.

402 spidly  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:47:28pm

re: #394 Sharmuta

I've made no secret of my lack of enthusiasm for McCain. I think he'd be a better President than obama, of that I have no doubt.

I worry about the lack of cajones on the hill: if they'll oppose McCain's many stupid ideas. hope they'd at least fight the messiah.

403 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:47:39pm

re: #393 BlueCanuck

Don't worry, I have both your's and Ameridans six. :)

/being a proper lurker mostly tonight

Hey Blue.

Who are you trying to kid with this got our six stuff? I'm still in therapy after that hand in warm water trick you played on me last month.

Good to see BlueCanuck. :)

404 LeePro  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:48:08pm

re: #305 RonPaulBlimpie

LGF should have its own "convention"... not based in politics at all but a large gathering like a bad ass cookout and a leisurely bike ride.

re: #317 BlueCanuck

Must be near a gun range. Give all lizards who pack a chance to show off their shinies. :)

Should be some place centrally located... you know... like Memphis!
River, Beale Street, best BarBQ in the nation, beer, and plenty of gun ranges!

Can't beat that with a stick!

405 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:48:30pm

re: #386 MrArchieBunker

Tom Delay and the K street project were the midwives to the Abramhoff scandal which I knew would be the end of the GOP domination of congress. Why people hold Tom Delay up as some sort of icon is beyond me.

Here is the really sad thing - the Democrats get back in their old business and no one calls THEM on it.

Like Chris Dodd getting a "special loan" from CountryWide - a mortgage broker that Dodd chairs the oversight committee for. The press is asleep on that one. Check Google news - there are more hits for "poll: des Moines dog catcher race tightens."

406 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:49:51pm

re: #400 DistantThunder

And I'm still studying to be a sex therapist which is endlessly fascinating.

Uh...I'm not gonna touch that one.

407 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:50:56pm

Dan, you're on q roll today lol

408 Syrah  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:51:24pm

I must bid you all "adieu".

Goodnight.

409 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:51:36pm

re: #404 LeePro

Should be some place centrally located... you know... like Memphis!
River, Beale Street, best BarBQ in the nation, beer, and plenty of gun ranges!

Can't beat that with a stick!

I second that!

Hi LeePro

410 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:51:46pm

re: #408 Syrah

I must bid you all "adieu".

Goodnight.

aurrevoir Syrah! :)

411 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:51:50pm

BTW - the source of Kos' power is that journalists read the blog to figure out how and what to report, much like they used to with Drudge. "Edgy" news sells, and every journo wants part of the Olberman era.

Charles has his spinoff links and his own posts, which would give a journalist the same capability as Kos but from a different (eg sane) perspective.

They choose to ignore it.

412 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:52:00pm

G'nite, Syrah. Weet dreams.

413 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:53:10pm

re: #407 MigueldowninMexico

Dan, you're on q roll today lol

I'll be here all night, please remember to tip your waitresses.

414 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:53:30pm

Lee

Memphis Egypt or Memphis tenn?

/Ducks and runs...

415 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:53:49pm

re: #413 AmeriDan

I'll be here all night, please remember to tip your waitresses.

Hahaha.

416 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:54:49pm

Which is it? Rosetta Stone or Graceland? ;)

417 LeePro  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:55:17pm

re: #290 gop_patriot

They are legends in their own minds... SLIME

FTFY, {gop}

;)

418 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:55:44pm

re: #342 Killian Bundy

Thanks, I appreciate it. Otherwise, if I don't get it from the Minnesota radio groups I'm having to subscribe to, I'll just go down there during a major event and capture them.

/I'm determined to monitor the convention, probably need the major hotel frequencies too

I just released from this post that we are talking about two different "Excels",
my friend works for the power company. I'm not sure that will help you out.

419 Cartman  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:55:47pm

Well, I think this ol' glue horse is gonna hit the hay, as well.

G'nite, fellow Saurians.

420 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:56:31pm

re: #399 Kulhwch

Ugh, that video was horrible. Really, truly, ignorant.
I can see why this would prompt you to write an email to your friend.

Wow.

421 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:56:31pm

re: #399 Kulhwch

I'm really sorry your friend could not respect your wishes. That was an incredibly low blow.

422 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:57:05pm

re: #417 LeePro

LOL :) That works, too.

423 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:57:08pm

For you, Lee :)

424 MrArchieBunker  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:57:14pm

re: #405 karmic_inquisitor

MM and the crew at Hot Air are the only ones I know of that even mentioned it. Its a cliche, I know, but the mainstream media cover for guys like Dodd. They socialize, drink together, all of that. Its a club.

425 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:59:00pm

night all.

426 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 10:59:32pm

re: #425 karmic_inquisitor

night all.

Night karmic!

427 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:01:47pm

re: #414 MigueldowninMexico

Lee

Memphis Egypt or Memphis Tenn?

/Ducks and runs...

Not to speak for LeePro, but I believe she means this Memphis.

/let's get this late night party started with some foot-tapping music!

428 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:02:27pm

re: #427 AmeriDan

Not to speak for LeePro, but I believe she means this Memphis.

/let's get this late night party started with some foot-tapping music!

Ahem, look at 423 please ;)

429 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:03:14pm

re: #399 Kulhwch

I know exactly how you feel.
I appreciate your post.
Your reply was very good, I think.
I think the ignorant, sanctimonious slurs liberals routinely sling at conservatives really are comparable to racial/ethnic slurs.
It is enfuriating and painful.

(I have a sister and BIL who are like your friend.)

430 wolfie  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:04:55pm

re: #402 spidly

I worry about the lack of cajones on the hill: if they'll oppose McCain's many stupid ideas. hope they'd at least fight the messiah.

They'll be afraid to fight him. It's racist to disagree with him. The media will accuse anyone of opposing him of being a scoundrel.

431 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:05:31pm

re: #423 MigueldowninMexico

For you, Lee :)

re: #427 AmeriDan

Not to speak for LeePro, but I believe she means this Memphis.

/let's get this late night party started with some foot-tapping music!

Damnit... foiled again by Miguel!

/plans revenge

432 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:06:03pm

re: #431 AmeriDan

Damnit... foiled again by Miguel!

/plans revenge

LOL
Jhonny Rivers version is better, anyway ;)

433 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:07:27pm

re: #428 MigueldowninMexico

Ahem, look at 423 please ;)

I like Johnny Rivers version better, so na na nay boo boo. I win.

434 rightside  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:07:30pm

Thank God there's no right wing Kos!

435 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:07:50pm

The messiah needs a teleprompter!
Can't do without one...

436 turn  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:07:59pm

re: #315 Metal Man

All in all blogs serve the purpose of putting stories forward for discussion. When a blog works well, those that comment will bring in more information and smack down purely political mantras.

Problem is most voters don't read anything and vote the party they grew up with until some epiphany (real or felt).

KOS may serve a purpose politically but strengthens none of it's readers to actually argue for their beliefs.

I agree most voters might get their viewpoints from the party they grew up with, or more likely the daily bombardment of the MSM or their most recent "teacher".

That is a problem, and I have it too. When forced to really describe what it is I feel really strong about politically I find it really hard to put into words. I just know what I feel right from wrong, a hypocrite from and honest person for example. I don't really think these things, or feelings, I've learned necessarily come from party lines so to speak. They are only things that I trust or believe in. Conservative values so to speak, family values.

Which brings me to your point. These KOS people don't argue for their beliefs, they argue for the beliefs others think they should have. Group think. It's all about popularity, some original think but if you read their "original" thinking your head starts to spin. It's like who can out conspiracy think the other one to be the most original thinker. Olbermann, shit I can't even understand what the f#$% that guy is talking about. On the left it's almost as if the one with the most "original" thinking is the one most listened to.

Enough for now .. night all

The day bumper sticker politics stops working is the day conservative blocs will blossom.

437 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:08:17pm

re: #433 AmeriDan

I like Johnny Rivers version better, so na na nay boo boo. I win.

I do too.
Yes you win ;)

438 Metal Man  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:08:23pm

Somebody want foot tappin music. Hope you can keep up.

439 AmeriDan  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:09:49pm

re: #432 MigueldowninMexico

LOL
Jhonny Rivers version is better, anyway ;)

re: #433 AmeriDan

I like Johnny Rivers version better, so na na nay boo boo. I win.

With our two great minds working together tonight we may overload the server.

Stinky! Get yer ass up and through a few more hamsters in the wheel.

440 MigueldowninMexico  Sun, Jun 15, 2008 11:10:24pm