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Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:11:00 am PDT

The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously.

Hubert H. Humphrey

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1 littleoldlady  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:13:21am

Goooooooooood morning, LGF! :-)

2 littleoldlady  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:14:00am

...and

Good day, ALL!™

3 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:14:46am

re: #1 littleoldlady

Goooooooooood morning, LGF! :-)

what's so good about it?

4 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:19:11am

FoxNews.com says:
Prime Minister Brown Says Britain Will Freeze Assets of Iran's Largest Bank

No link yet.

Goodnight/morning, everyone. See y'all later. :)

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:24:24am

Know very little about HHH, but today's Democrats'd shout him down for that quote.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:34:43am

HELLO! Hello! hello!

ECHO! Echo! echo!

Now Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota...Mota... Mota...

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:39:02am

I got some powdered water, but I don't know what to add...
-Steven Wright

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:39:37am

It is farkin' early.

9 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:40:40am

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got some powdered water, but I don't know what to add...
-Steven Wright

ethanol......

/damn early

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:40:46am

Yep. Looks like a good time to add to my number of comments posted.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:41:25am

re: #9 redc1c4

Really early. How's you this fine moanin'?

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:42:35am

It was the best of times; it was the worst of times....

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:43:32am

I could go back through previous threads to find out what happened over the weekend. But then I'd have to take all those stairs...

14 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:44:43am
The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously.

— Hubert H. Humphrey

Heh, a man who then demonstrated his quote with his politics.

15 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:45:30am
16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:45:38am

re: #14 incanus

Heh, a man who then demonstrated his quote with his politics.

Can you imagine him saying that to one of today's moonbats?

17 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:48:13am

Morning Lizards!

still bummed about Tim Russert. Does anyone know who filled in for him?

18 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:50:26am

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not so sure he wouldn't be with the moonbats, yelling at us.

Better go get ready for work! Back to lurk later =)

19 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:50:51am

re: #15 taxfreekiller

Umm..... no.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:50:56am

re: #17 rightside

Nope. Read Big Russ and Me a few years back. Really liked it. How you doing(other than being bummed)?

21 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:51:18am
22 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:51:47am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doing well, just got home from work, catching up on things... How are you?

23 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:52:04am
24 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:52:32am
25 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:53:47am

re: #17 rightside

Tom Brokaw hosted a panel of freinds & guests to talk about Tim. James C. & Mary M. had a hard time keeping it together.

26 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:55:32am
27 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:56:00am

re: #25 GeeWiz

Thanks... it will be difficult to replace him.

R.I.P. Tim

28 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:58:10am
29 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 3:58:27am

re: #26 ploome hineni

I don't think so. I think he was the most objective person in the drive-bys

He was also a good guy, down to earth.


/2 cents

30 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:01:15am
31 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:02:07am

It was hard to watch. James Carville spent a long time doubled over with his face in his hands. At one point, while telling a story about Tim, Tom Brokaw broke down and Mike Barnicle (sp) had to finish it. They finished the show with Tim's Father's day sign-off from last year.

32 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:03:11am

Good morning, Lizards.

33 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:03:25am

"The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously."

— Hubert H. Humphrey


You know, I disagreed with the man's politics but at least he wasn't a barking moonbat. Where have all the honest liberals gone? Where are the intellectual heirs of FDR, Truman, HHH, and Pat Moynihan?

Enquiring minds want to know....

And another thing - as an exercise for the class: what can the US do to foment either a "cold" or "hot" war between primarily sunni Saudi Arabia and primarily shiite Iran with the goal of forcing each to "cheat" on their OPEC quotas and increase oil production? Would such a war and resulting cheating make a significant difference in the price of oil?

That's just a thought I had on the way in to work and I'll leave y'all with it for a bit as I actually have to get some work done this morning.

/Oh, and Good Morning Everybody!

34 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:05:19am

re: #32 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:05:43am
36 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:07:26am

re: #35 ploome hineni

dunno...I don't watch TV


LOL

*paging BabbaZee, you're needed on the early morning thread*

37 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:08:47am

{rightside)

I hope you have some good things to look forward to this week!

38 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:09:08am
39 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:10:48am

re: #37 goddessoftheclassroom

My block of instruction is over tomorrow, and I can relax for a bit. That's what I am looking forward to.

40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:12:22am
41 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:18:15am

re: #33 CIA Reject

Morning. Although I think it should be the right to free speech does not mean the right to be heard.

42 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:18:20am

re: #4 gop_patriot

FoxNews.com says:
Prime Minister Brown Says Britain Will Freeze Assets of Iran's Largest Bank

No link yet.

If the UK and/or the Euro's would have seized the accounts/assets a couple of weeks earlier instead of telegraphing their intent to the Mullah's, the effort might have borne some little fruit, however, as it stands the effort now is largely symbolic: June 9, 2008-Iran pulls assets out of Europe banks

Iran has withdrawn a huge sum of its foreign exchange reserves from European banks and has deposited some of it into Asian banks.

Another report: Iran seen withdrawing assets from Europe banks

Iran is withdrawing assets from European banks in the face of tightening international sanctions against the Islamic Republic over its disputed nuclear programme....

Mornin folks.

43 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:20:29am

re: #42 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Morning, aboo hoo hoo

44 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:20:54am

Trust but verify.

45 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:22:07am

re: #44 vagabond trader

"In God we trust, all others we track."

-Firecontrol motto-

46 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:25:41am

re: #45 rightside

Good mornin,

Should have posted that on the Beckel/whitey thread but it seemed rather sluggish over there.

47 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:28:21am

re: #41 rightside

Morning. Although I think it should be the right to free speech does not mean the right to be heard.

Morning Rightside! I don't know the exact quote - I was just quoting Charles' quote for context....

48 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:28:21am

re: #33 CIA Reject

You are assuming that both KSA and Iran can increase (significantly) their oil production.

BTW, as we speak Iran has tankers of heavy oil sitting off their coast... because they can't find buyers for it. They were up to about 22 tankers, last I read it was down to 14. Problem is the oil is very low quality and not desired by by refiners. I could give you a bunch of links on the subject if you so desire.

Anyway, bottom line is, I don't think your plan can't proceed.

49 philly_being_philly  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:29:34am

re: #44 vagabond trader

Trust but verify.

Trust everyone, but always cut the deck.

50 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:30:09am

re: #47 CIA Reject

I'm not saying it was wrong, I just was saying how I think it should be.... :^)

51 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:30:44am

re: #50 rightside

I'm not saying it was wrong, I just was saying how I think it should be.... :^)

Ok, OK!

52 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:31:02am

That should have been, "I don't think your plan can proceed."

53 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:32:42am

re: #48 freetoken

re: #52 freetoken

Not a plan - just a raw idea. Yours is the kind of feedback I was hoping to get. Thanks!

54 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:33:25am

re: #51 CIA Reject

Ok, OK!

Oh, OK :-)

PIMF!

55 Shug  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:36:36am

re: #24 taxfreekiller

shoot first ask questions later


didn't John Holmes say that ?

56 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:36:56am

re: #53 CIA Reject

Here, read this.

57 Shug  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:38:01am

How are ya'll crackers this moanin?

How are the grits?

Is the trailor cool enough?

Hound dog licked that flea problem yet?

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:38:21am

re: #55 Shug

Rimshot!

(poor choice of words. sorry.)

59 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:39:14am

re: #57 Shug

How are ya'll crackers this moanin? Good
How are the grits? could be better

Is the trailor cool enough? A/C? whats that?

Hound dog licked that flea problem yet? Almost


/that was fun. :D

60 Shug  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:42:33am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rimshot!

(poor choice of words. sorry.)

Keep it up , FBV. Keep it up.

/but if you keep it up for more than 4 hours seek immediate medical attention

61 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:45:41am

re: #57 Shug

love cheese grits

let me give that window unit a kick to get it going

cat came with fleas, all better now

62 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:49:12am

The Hubert Horatio Humphrey of yesterday would be shouted out of the party by today's democrat lunatics and defeat fetishists. Trouble is, the old line Roosevelt-dems of days past showed a remarkable ability to heel to the left and follow the party line as it mutated. I use Walter Mondale as an example. But the Happy Warrior will not be forgotten. Me Pappy used to say that if the end of the world was imminent, HHH should make the public announcement to keep everyone chipper and upbeat. And if Jesus came back again, LBJ should break the news to keep people from getting too excited.

63 slartybartfast  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:49:15am

Open Thread? Suggestion:

With the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Guantanamo detainees, I'd suggest that they be distributed throughout the Federal Prison system. I believe there are 16 maximum security Federal facilities (U.S. Penitentiaries) and approximately 270 detainees. That's about 16 detainees/facility. No special treatment...just an orange jumpsuit and a number.

Not enough beds in the Federal facilities? How 'bout expanding this facility (assuming it's still in operation)?

64 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:53:41am

re: #63 slartybartfast

Open Thread? Suggestion:

With the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Guantanamo detainees, I'd suggest that they be distributed throughout the Federal Prison system. I believe there are 16 maximum security Federal facilities (U.S. Penitentiaries) and approximately 270 detainees. That's about 16 detainees/facility. No special treatment...just an orange jumpsuit and a number.

Not enough beds in the Federal facilities? How 'bout expanding this facility (assuming it's still in operation)?

I think we should just embed an RFID chip in their chests, let them and their "brothers in jihad"' know that we've done it, send them home, and let nature take it's course.

65 Shug  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:56:06am

re: #63 slartybartfast


Pellican Bay is nice this time of year. They could be stripped naked, except for their head cover of course ( they are so devout, don't you know )

Then they could be released into the exercise yard to meet all their fellow inmates.
Maybe they could play a nice game of soccer with the crips, bloods, latin kings and aryan nation.

66 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:57:09am

Good Morning Lizards!

Las Cruces will be clear and HOT today with temperatures about 104 degrees. I'll admit- that's not as hot as Yuma or other locations in Arizona, but as long as the humidity is low my swamp coolers will do a great job keeping me cool.

67 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 4:59:20am

re: #56 freetoken

Here, read this.

Thanks for the link! Is the problem that they don't have the lighter grades of crude, or that they are just not offering them on the market because they want a better price? If it's the former they (and their customers) are pretty much screwed, but if it is the latter then perhaps a little pressure can change their minds about what price is 'acceptable'?

68 yochanan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:00:47am

re: #17 rightside

Morning Lizards!

still bummed about Tim Russert. Does anyone know who filled in for him?

NO ONE!

They left the chair empty.

69 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:02:03am

re: #68 yochanan

good, and thank you too.

70 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:03:05am

Mornin' all. Don't know about that quote. You have the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean anyone has to listen. Any of y'all watch the NASA show on Discover channel? Pretty cool stuff.

71 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:04:15am

re: #70 pingjockey

PING!

72 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:05:13am

re: #67 CIA Reject

Are you talking about Iran or the KSA?

If you are talking about the KSA... well, that issue has been the matter of hot debate in some circles. Matt Simmons wrote a book about that (Twilight in the Desert), which I haven't read, but it did spark quite a debate that goes on to this day.

The issue to me is the dependence upon imports which the US has, regardless of source. We are leaking dollars like crazy - oh, we won't run out of dollars, we just print more (and that is a problem in its own!)

It is one of my soapboxes... the US has painted itself into a very tight corner wrt oil and dollars.

73 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:05:26am

re: #71 rightside
Mornin' Right. Did you have a good Fathers Day? Doesn't matter if you are a Dad or not.

74 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:06:41am

re: #73 pingjockey

I am and I did. I was going to buy myself a new compact 45 ACP, but will have to wait a month or two now. How was yours?

75 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:08:35am

re: #74 rightside
Not bad. Took a bike ride to deliver my Dads card and one for my younger bro, his first Fathers Day. Watched Tiger and Q'd some kabobs...MMMMMMM....

76 mama winger  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:13:29am

Just a quick Good Morning before I head out to work.

The Chicago Cubs are TWENTY ! count them - 20! Games OVER 500.

If I get any more excited I am going to require sedation!

that is all
have a good one :)

77 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:16:57am

re: #72 freetoken

Are you talking about Iran or the KSA?

If you are talking about the KSA... well, that issue has been the matter of hot debate in some circles. Matt Simmons wrote a book about that (Twilight in the Desert), which I haven't read, but it did spark quite a debate that goes on to this day.

The issue to me is the dependence upon imports which the US has, regardless of source. We are leaking dollars like crazy - oh, we won't run out of dollars, we just print more (and that is a problem in its own!)

It is one of my soapboxes... the US has painted itself into a very tight corner wrt oil and dollars.

Actually I was referring to both Iran and KSA. I think we are in violent agreement that we are WAY over-dependent on these parasites for our energy requirements and just 'digging deeper' and paying their prices is no answer. Ultimately we need to develop new and alternate sources and types of energy. Unfortunately once our leadership FINALLY wakes up to that fact and allows domestic oil production, new nuclear plants, and incentives for industry to develop more exotic stuff there is still going to be a considerable lag until the new sources come on line.

So as a "stop-gap" I was wondering if there is something creative we could do to manipulate the market. Hell others have done it, and if we can do it to lower oil prices and bankrupt two of the largest supporters of world terrorism in the bargain well so much the better!

78 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:23:31am
The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously.

— Hubert H. Humphrey

There is no "right to be heard". I know liberals think that just because they speak,everyone in the world MUST listen to what they say,but it ain't so. You may have a right to free speech. But I have a right to walk on my merry way and ignore every word you say. There is no right to be heard ( A court of law being the exception). We should have been ignoring the radical environmentalist for years instead of listening to them. Our nation would be in a hell of a lot better shape today if we had. Oh well,off to work....

79 yochanan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:23:44am

re: #76 mama winger

Just a quick Good Morning before I head out to work.

The Chicago Cubs are TWENTY ! count them - 20! Games OVER 500.

If I get any more excited I am going to require sedation!

that is all
have a good one :)

DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS TILL THEY HATCH
remember they still are the 'FUBS'

80 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:29:13am

TFK...

OPSEC,
R

81 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:30:24am

Good morning Lizards..................Morning ping, rightside....

82 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:30:43am

re: #77 CIA Reject

Manipulating the oil market... probably only doable by the major producers (Russia, KSA), because you have to hold the resource or not ship it if you want to manipulate the price upward, or sell it to manipulate it downward.

If it is any consolation, many analysts expect oil prices to come down later in the year. There are long-delayed projects in the US Gulf of Mexico, and in KSA, that are supposed to come online late in the year and early 2009. Plus there are a some rather large refineries in Asia that are supposed to come online, which have been designed to use the lower quality oils from Iran and KSA - that should help.

Long term, and I repeat this on LGF about once a week, I think we really need to say goodbye to oil. By developing nuclear, solar, and wind the US ought to be able to supply enough electricity (not dependent upon foreign sources) to transition our transportation to more of an electric powered form. But that is a multiple decade project, and the best thing we can do today is conserve on our consumption, and encourage the development of plug in hybrids.

83 rightside  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:31:04am

re: #81 doriangrey

morning dorian

84 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:31:38am

Mornin' DG!

85 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:33:39am

re: #72 freetoken

DRILL! I say, DRILL!

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:35:25am

Speaking of Oil, heard on the news that the "Sheik of Araby" is getting nervous. Output may increase.

He must have tried to have a meal of sand; decided it was dry, grainy, tasteless and constipated him.

Anybody heard more of this who can enlighten me or send a link?

87 Macker  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:42:23am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not enough sand in his Vaseline® I guess...

GOOD MORNING LIZARDS!

88 yesandno  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:44:21am

Tim Russert exemplified all that was good in a man. His broad and genuine smile always showed general delight in being. He was a great journalist because he valued truth and was not a journalist. He was a curious man who always took that curious nature to the next step.

He was exactly the opposite of the elitists that he interviewed. But he was never the lesser of them. It was his unabashed belief in the true values of America...church, family, and country...that makes his death impact all of us so. For we would like to believe that we, like Tim, exemplify the best this country has to offer rather then the celebrity everyone else insists are the examples to follow.

Those most affected by his passing, are those who toss aside the values and principles that Tim followed. They place him on the pedestal because he had what they lack. Yet even though they recognize that fact, they will continue to toss aside those same values because to accept them as part of their own life would mean they would stand alone. And not one of them can do it.

Having said all of that, the funeral should be private. It is good that he was well liked and loved by many...what a tribute to a life well lived. And funerals are more for the living then for the dead. But the liberals in this country have a way of cheapening a life. Paul Wellstone comes to mind. I didn't agree with the man's politics, but he was consistant in his advocacy and they made a mockery of his funeral. It wasn't about HIM....it became about THEM.

Russert deserves better then that. Most of all he deserves to be remembered as a man...not some guy up on a pedestal. A man whose greatest legacy is that he was who he was without embarrassment, without haughtiness, with love for his family, for his work, and with a smile on his face. A man who obviously always saw the glass half full.

I refuse to watch the spectacle these people will make out of his life.

89 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:44:31am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Oil, heard on the news that the "Sheik of Araby" is getting nervous. Output may increase.

He must have tried to have a meal of sand; decided it was dry, grainy, tasteless and constipated him.

Anybody heard more of this who can enlighten me or send a link?

Maybe Al-Sheiky read that news release about the Japanese car that runs on water...........ROTFLMAO..........

90 yochanan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:45:20am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rimshot!

(poor choice of words. sorry.)

A JOHN HOLMS REFRENCE?

91 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:48:09am

re: #82 freetoken

Manipulating the oil market... probably only doable by the major producers (Russia, KSA), because you have to hold the resource or not ship it if you want to manipulate the price upward, or sell it to manipulate it downward.

Yes, I understand that is how free markets operate. My initial question was what actions could be taken to provide an incentive for Iran and KSA to sell more of their holdings. An option that simultaneously incentivizes increased sales while seriously degrading both sellers ability to support terrorism would be ideal. Is there such an option?


If it is any consolation, many analysts expect oil prices to come down later in the year. There are long-delayed projects in the US Gulf of Mexico, and in KSA, that are supposed to come online late in the year and early 2009. Plus there are a some rather large refineries in Asia that are supposed to come online, which have been designed to use the lower quality oils from Iran and KSA - that should help.

Heh, I don't need consolation because I don't need oil - I ride the bus! :-)


Long term, and I repeat this on LGF about once a week, I think we really need to say goodbye to oil. By developing nuclear, solar, and wind the US ought to be able to supply enough electricity (not dependent upon foreign sources) to transition our transportation to more of an electric powered form. But that is a multiple decade project...

Agreed.


...and the best thing we can do today is conserve on our consumption, and encourage the development of plug in hybrids.


Here is where we part ways. Those are good ideas, and hybrid vehicles are a worthwhile goal, but I do not think we can 'conserve' our way out of the short-term 'crunch' in which we find ourselves. I think that will require more drastic measures as I indicated above.

/Pleasure talking to you!

92 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:48:12am

Morning folkls! How's things? Any more fruitcup?

93 akarra  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #33 CIA Reject

You know, I disagreed with the man's politics but at least he wasn't a barking moonbat. Where have all the honest liberals gone? Where are the intellectual heirs of FDR, Truman, HHH, and Pat Moynihan?

Enquiring minds want to know....

I'll try the first part of your question (btw, good morning), not the foreign policy part.

As much as I like my more libertarian friends, and as dangerous as socialism could be, I suspect a more overt socialist stance on the part of Democrats kept them honest. FDR had to back up his ideas about government and so built on Wilson's idea of the President as a Progressive leader. He also embraced things like Keynesian economics, theories we can disagree about but can argue.

Is there really a way to argue with "change we can believe in?" I think the modern Left plays off the fact we're all libertarian in a sense - we really don't want to stick our nose where it doesn't belong - and so doesn't have to make the populism meet policy in any coherent or substantive way. The worst part of this problem shows in their "approach" to foreign policy, if talking and dancing with everyone can be called serious policymaking.

94 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:49:45am

re: #92 galloping granny

Morning folkls! How's things? Any more fruitcup?

Morning granny, looking to be a lovely day out here on the Left Coast, always on the prowl for a free fruit cup are we?

95 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:50:19am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Oil, heard on the news that the "Sheik of Araby" is getting nervous. Output may increase.

He must have tried to have a meal of sand; decided it was dry, grainy, tasteless and constipated him.

Anybody heard more of this who can enlighten me or send a link?

I did read that yesterday, along with a separate blurb stating that Saudi Arabia was going to start raising crops in foreign lands. Sorry, no longer have the links.

96 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:52:32am

re: #94 doriangrey

Morning granny, looking to be a lovely day out here on the Left Coast, always on the prowl for a free fruit cup are we?

Yup. Doggie ate all the bananas overnight. We have inherited a dog. She will make a lovely watch dog and is learning well, but she delights in throwing herself picnics on the living room sofa in the middle of the night. Peanut butter is a wonderful treat, she clean out the cat food cans so well they don't need washing to be recycled. Tried to have ham sandwich last night but people were still up.

97 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:54:10am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Oil, heard on the news that the "Sheik of Araby" is getting nervous. Output may increase.

He must have tried to have a meal of sand; decided it was dry, grainy, tasteless and constipated him.

Anybody heard more of this who can enlighten me or send a link?

Here is a link to that story....

98 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:54:11am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is this what you're talking about?

99 akarra  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:54:22am

re: #78 WayDownSouthInBama

— Hubert H. Humphrey

There is no "right to be heard". I know liberals think that just because they speak,everyone in the world MUST listen to what they say,but it ain't so. You may have a right to free speech. But I have a right to walk on my merry way and ignore every word you say. There is no right to be heard ( A court of law being the exception). We should have been ignoring the radical environmentalist for years instead of listening to them. Our nation would be in a hell of a lot better shape today if we had. Oh well,off to work....

As much as I like your thoughts, isn't being heard key to deliberation and republicanism?

When I teach, I teach reading the works of the past very carefully (i.e. the Gettysburg Address), and hopefully teach implicitly the value of using all our talents to listen to one another. - Notice how removed our sense of "right" could be from what actually is right nowadays. -

The most dangerous thing about democracy is probably that we can ignore each other, and do. Wasn't Churchill pretty much alone in England in assessing the Nazi threat?

100 yochanan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:54:49am

THE WAR IN CHICAGO

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

101 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:55:30am

Good Morning all y'all! From a warm (74 degrees, going up to 95 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

102 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:55:59am

re: #79 yochanan


and Mama...

Counteth not indeed... '78 Red Sox were steam rolling 14 games up on the Yankees at one point... dissention..Bill Lee calls Zip a gerbil and gets benched.. 24 players 24 cabs.....Boston Massacre at hands of Yanks... One game playoff with the Yankees... Bucky Fucking Dent.

Need I say more.

Oh and the Cubs would need to win a playoff series too.

103 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:56:10am

re: #64 CIA Reject

I think we should just embed an RFID chip in their chests, let them and their "brothers in jihad"' know that we've done it, send them home, and let nature take it's course.

Not too bad an idea. Except that sooner or later it would spread so that we all had to have an embedded ID chip so the government could keep track of us. Welcome to 1984.

104 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:56:36am

Good Morning all..
Hope everyone had a good weekend..Was on my way to Michigan friday evening when i heard about Tim Russert passing.
Only the good die young is the song I'm thinking of.
Damn shame

105 akak  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:57:34am

Since the White House said the price of oil is going to ruin the global economy, why not put a stop payment on all US Aid until things get better. That should get OPEC's attention?

Pay yourself first,

106 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:57:58am

re: #100 yochanan

THE WAR IN CHICAGO

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Must be what Obama meant when he said "they bring a knife, we bring a gun" the other night. . . .

107 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:58:03am

re: #101 realwest

Damn fine and you my friend? Hope yours was a good Father's Day.

108 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:58:33am

re: #100 yochanan

I'll bet that the casualties in Iraq were less than that.

109 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:59:18am

re: #101 realwest

Good Morning all y'all! From a warm (74 degrees, going up to 95 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this morning?

Morning realwest, how are you this fine morning? It's looking to be a nice sunny day out here on the Left Coast...

110 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 5:59:55am

re: #105 akak

Since the White House said the price of oil is going to ruin the global economy, why not put a stop payment on all US Aid until things get better. That should get OPEC's attention?

Pay yourself first,

I agree. With the price of oil, we're going to have plenty of people here in New England this winter that are going to need that "foreign aid." Even families that make 100K+.

My other best idea is that while they may have the oil, virtually none of the OPEC countries can feed themselves. WE do that. You want to eat, we want to heat.

111 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:00:51am

re: #107 Endangered in MASS Glad to hear it my friend! Yes, I'm doing ok - more than a little nervous cause I gotta go take another effin' test at my oncologist's office this morning, but other than that, I'm doing fine as fresh spun cotton candy (h/t Mandy Manners)!

112 yochanan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:00:58am

[Link: mlb.mlb.com...]

the Chicago White Sox are leading in their division by 4.5 games the cubs are leading by 3.5 but you would not know it here in Chicago all we hear about are the FUBS. The bias of the media is just as bad in sports as in politics.

113 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:01:11am

re: #100 yochanan

THE WAR IN CHICAGO

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Well, it is you know, ummm, Chicago.... /ducks.....

114 doriangrey  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:02:34am

Opp's damn it, time for me to run off to work. Must stop on the way and pay the terrorists... er buy gas for the ole Vette....

115 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:02:48am

re: #111 realwest

Glad to hear it my friend! Yes, I'm doing ok - more than a little nervous cause I gotta go take another effin' test at my oncologist's office this morning, but other than that, I'm doing fine as fresh spun cotton candy (h/t Mandy Manners)!

We'll be praying everything turns out OK realwest.

116 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:02:49am

Good morning from somewhat sunny New York.

For those inclined to be grumpy on a Monday, here's a little something to cheer you up--retirement means Monday's just another day.

117 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:02:51am

re: #109 doriangrey
Hi ya dorian - I'm ok, thanks and glad to hear it's such a nice day out in L.A. - nice to be able to SEE when you're riding that hot vette to work, no?!

118 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:02:57am

re: #103 galloping granny

Not too bad an idea. Except that sooner or later it would spread so that we all had to have an embedded ID chip so the government could keep track of us. Welcome to 1984.

Alternatively, praise them for cooperating with us and dump them off anywhere in Dar al-Islam. Nature will take its course; no chip needed.

119 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:05:02am

re: #115 galloping granny Good morning galloping granny! Hey, thank you - I appreciate your prayers but as slightly nervous as I am this morning, I'm gonna need your prayers a whole lot more tomorrow early morning, cause that's when my Onc will call me with the test results! I don't envision sleeping very well tonight! LOL!

120 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:05:48am

re: #112 yochanan


All the White Sox have done is actually win a World Series in the last 100 years. No goat curse..no playoff fulility... tres BORING..

The Cubs' curse like the Red Sox' curse was simple..

The curse of bad management... Pitching and defence wins. Ignore that and you commit and act of hardball hubris.

121 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:06:44am

re: #111 realwest

I pray that your test results are favorable.

122 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:07:55am

re: #116 irongrampa
Good morning to you - and don't let folks fool ya none - retirement ain't for wussies and I don't think I was as busy before I retired as I have been since then!
And it doesn't help that you can't remember what day of the week it is and Friday is nothing to get excited about! LOL!
Hope you're doing well today and enjoying your retirement!

123 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:08:01am

re: #119 realwest

Good morning galloping granny! Hey, thank you - I appreciate your prayers but as slightly nervous as I am this morning, I'm gonna need your prayers a whole lot more tomorrow early morning, cause that's when my Onc will call me with the test results! I don't envision sleeping very well tonight! LOL!

Then we will all just keep right on praying for you. Got a good book?

124 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:08:51am

re: #121 Endangered in MASS Thank you, very much.

125 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:09:52am

re: #122 realwest

Good morning to you - and don't let folks fool ya none - retirement ain't for wussies and I don't think I was as busy before I retired as I have been since then!
And it doesn't help that you can't remember what day of the week it is and Friday is nothing to get excited about! LOL!
Hope you're doing well today and enjoying your retirement!

Once I retired, I couldn't figure out when it was I ever had time to go to work!

126 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:10:33am

re: #123 galloping granny Yeah, I do, but it's kinda hard to read in that dim light! LOL! And, again, thanks for all your prayers.
How the heck are you doing this morning?

127 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:11:23am

Monday Morning greetings, everyone. *Yawn* I have the joy and pleasure of going to my dentist's today for the standard cleaning. Someone remind me to wake up before then.

128 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:11:52am

re: #125 reine.de.tout
LOL, now that's the darn truth! I truly haven't been this busy in I don't know how long - and certainly never was as swamped in Red Tape (i.e., Medicare) as I am now.

129 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:11:59am

Ah, the lizardoid minions are up early (no offense to the international lizards). Plans for world domination never sleep, I guess.

re: #99 akarra

I was at the new Gettysburg National Military Park over Memorial Day (a good place to be, it's huge and can handle crowds). It's very beautiful, respectfully done and very, very interesting. Got my 14-yo reading Killer Angels now.

Then, of course, we went to the Lincoln Memorial while we were out east. I have to say, after all the Anti-Americanism we hear (from Americans and foreigners) you sure wouldn't know it at the memorials. They're packed.

I especially liked the new (to me) WWII Memorial and the Liberty Bell display. In case anyone needs to have it spelled out why America is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

130 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:12:02am

BBIAM!

131 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:12:25am

re: #128 realwest

LOL, now that's the darn truth! I truly haven't been this busy in I don't know how long - and certainly never was as swamped in Red Tape (i.e., Medicare) as I am now.

It is one of my goals in life to avoid Medicare as long as I can.

132 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:12:38am

I'm saving up for one of those shiny new Honda hydrogen cars.

My new vanity plate:

HNDNBRG

133 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:13:21am

re: #132 OldLineTexan

I'm saving up for one of those shiny new Honda hydrogen cars.

My new vanity plate:

HNDNBRG

Ouch.

And for no reason in particular: testing out a new avatar. Would appreciate comments.

134 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:13:21am

re: #125 reine.de.tout

I think we are almost through the alien invasion!

135 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:13:58am

re: #133 vxbush

Whoa! Did your avitar smoke some bad weed?

136 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:14:25am

re: #135 WriterMom

Whoa! Did your avitar smoke some bad weed?

Heh. No. It's an image I created years ago with some software. Thought it might re-inforce my math cred. :D

137 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:14:31am

re: #133 vxbush

Ouch.

And for no reason in particular: testing out a new avatar. Would appreciate comments.

Pretty spiffy; had to remember to refresh the screen.

138 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:14:56am

re: #21 ploome hineni

FIST PUMP ALL 'ROUND

/dap a-doodoo

A comment about that fist pump apparently got ED Hill at Fox News a "time out" in the naughty chair. She's been pulled from on air, serving "desk duty" or some such. Learned that late last night.

139 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:15:13am

re: #132 OldLineTexan

I saw a funny one here in Toronto:

K9 AHORA

Jooooish lizards will recognize this phrase. LOL. For the Yiddishly challenged-it's 'keneinahora'-what you say to vanquish the evil eye.

140 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:15:28am

re: #134 WriterMom

I think we are almost through the alien invasion!

I'm really glad to hear it!

141 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:16:05am

re: #130 realwest

Morning real, Hope you are doing OK this morning. I sent you some Info on email yesterday! Did you get it? Hope it helps with the situation. And prayers are always going up for you my friend.
Top

142 bellamags  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:16:07am

Here is a smidge of an interview with Alicia Keys. This is her thought on Gangsta rap.

"We ask what other gangsta rappers she liked. And that’s when Keys drives a steamroller through the wall.

“‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other,” she says, putting down the sandwich. “‘Gangsta rap’ didn’t exist.”

Come again? A ploy by whom?

She looks at us like it’s the dumbest question in the world. “The government.”

Here is the whole article

143 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:16:39am

re: #126 realwest

Yeah, I do, but it's kinda hard to read in that dim light! LOL! And, again, thanks for all your prayers.
How the heck are you doing this morning?

I'm fine. Got to run up the hill shortly and finish mulching the 'maters, do a little weeding. Looks like we're going to eat the first lettuce today too. Littlest granddaughter is coming for a week with Granny on Sunday and biggest grand is off to camp the same day, so it is going to be a crazy week here. I'm just hoping I don't pack the dolly for the littlest in the camp bag for the biggest or some other such foolish thing.

144 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:16:46am

re: #139 WriterMom

I saw a funny one here in Toronto:

K9 AHORA

Jooooish lizards will recognize this phrase. LOL. For the Yiddishly challenged-it's 'keneinahora'-what you say to vanquish the evil eye.

Oh. Being uneducated in Yiddish, I thought it was someone crediting their dog. Like they were always driving their dog around.

As Illinois is the state with the most personalized plates, it can get interesting trying to figure out what the driver is trying to say on their plates. Couple initials are usually obvious, but I've seen some that have left me seriously scratching my head.

145 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:17:43am

I have also located a new job for my golden years.

Up to now, I have coveted a Walmart "greeter" position, mostly for the chance to be in an air-conditioned "office" with a window and the 10% discount on catfood/lunch.

However, McDonald's has created a new job category: outsourced fast-food order taker!

I am stoked; I have always wanted to "work" in Hawaii! And I can afford to live in El Paso.

146 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:17:48am

re: #129 angst
I'm glad to read that you had such a great trip!
And after visiting the new WWII memorial, I hope you had a chance to see the relatively "new" Korean War Memorial and my personal favorite, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (a/k/a the "black Wall") cause when you do, you realize that America is the home of the Free because of the Brave!

147 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:17:51am

re: #133 vxbush

I like it. The little avatar looks like the insignia of Battlestar Galactica. (I hope that's not a deterrent for you).

148 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:17:59am

re: #103 galloping granny

re: #118 OldLineTexan

Or maybe a hybrid approach to make it harder for them to talk their way out of it - chip 'em but don't tell them. Then leak "secret" information about how they have supplied much useful information and have agreed to be RFID'ed so they can go back and infiltrate the jihad.

Then send them home.

/Paulie Achmed? Oh, you don't gotta worry about him no more...

149 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:18:34am

re: #138 reine.de.tout

A comment about that fist pump apparently got ED Hill at Fox News a "time out" in the naughty chair. She's been pulled from on air, serving "desk duty" or some such. Learned that late last night.

That was because she called it a "terrorist fist pump."

150 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:19:31am

re: #139 WriterMom

I saw a funny one here in Toronto:

K9 AHORA

Jooooish lizards will recognize this phrase. LOL. For the Yiddishly challenged-it's 'keneinahora'-what you say to vanquish the evil eye.

It could also be "Dogs Now" in Miltary-Cop/Spanish.

151 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:19:41am

re: #145 OldLineTexan

I have also located a new job for my golden years.

Up to now, I have coveted a Walmart "greeter" position, mostly for the chance to be in an air-conditioned "office" with a window and the 10% discount on catfood/lunch.

However, McDonald's has created a new job category: outsourced fast-food order taker!

I am stoked; I have always wanted to "work" in Hawaii! And I can afford to live in El Paso.

But why are they doing this just in Hawaii? Why not in other areas? Seems odd.

152 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #149 galloping granny

That was because she called it a "terrorist fist pump."

OOH. Not good (nor accurate).

153 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:20:06am

re: #150 OldLineTexan

It could also be "Dogs Now" in Miltary-Cop/Spanish.

That's exactly what I thought.

154 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:20:20am

LOL. The K9 Ahora...LOLOL. I like it.

155 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #131 vxbush Well, once you get to a position in life where you qualify for medicare they penalize you (that is, charge you more for it the longer you go without taking it) for not taking it. Course, you're too young to even be thinking about Medicare!
Hey is that a nice new avatar or have I just not noticed it before?!

156 eaglewingz08  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:20:45am

So sad that Elian Gonzalez is now just another mindless member of the Castro Commie League. This is on liberals' heads. It is so sad that his future was taken away from him in the name of socialist political correctness.

157 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:20:50am

Cracking up here.

EVIL YIDDISH STYLE LICENCE PLATE CACKLE.

158 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:21:06am

re: #147 angst

I like it. The little avatar looks like the insignia of Battlestar Galactica. (I hope that's not a deterrent for you).

No. I watched the old BG when it was on the air. Haven't gotten into the new series.

159 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:21:58am

re: #155 realwest

Well, once you get to a position in life where you qualify for medicare they penalize you (that is, charge you more for it the longer you go without taking it) for not taking it. Course, you're too young to even be thinking about Medicare!
Hey is that a nice new avatar or have I just not noticed it before?!

Yeah, it's an image I made years ago with some interesting math properties. I'm just testing it out, seeing if I like it.

160 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:22:10am

re: #157 WriterMom

Cracking up here. . . . .

And you are unanimous in that.

161 bellamags  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:22:39am

re: #159 vxbush

I like it.... looks 3d from a distance.

162 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:22:58am

re: #132 OldLineTexan

You might also try:

DLZ 129

Which was the number of the Hindenburg

DLZ = German Flyingship Zeppelin

Too bad it burned up

The graff zeppelin before it (DLZ 128) was the first aircraft of any sort to log a million miles, and made the first non-stop crossing of the Pacific Ocean, carrying paying passengers at the time, to boot.

And here's this morning's view from Mt. Wilson

163 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:23:10am

re: #79 yochanan

DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS TILL THEY HATCH
remember they still are the 'FUBS'


Cubs chickenssssss, comin home to roost

164 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:23:28am

re: #141 1SG(ret)
Hey Top! Yes I did receive that information, thanks! (I take it this mean my e-mailed thanks never got to you, eh?!).
And I appreciate those prayers too, my good friend.
How are you doing this morning?

165 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:24:08am

re: #151 vxbush

But why are they doing this just in Hawaii? Why not in other areas? Seems odd.

Cost of living makes it hard to find min wage workers is my only guess, although it would seem to me that if you can staff the McDonald's cooking area you can staff the window.

So that theory goes out the window.

I just think it's funny that they're having to teach folks in El Paso enough Hawaiian slang to get by on.

166 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:25:31am

re: #165 OldLineTexan

Cost of living makes it hard to find min wage workers is my only guess, although it would seem to me that if you can staff the McDonald's cooking area you can staff the window.

So that theory goes out the window.

I just think it's funny that they're having to teach folks in El Paso enough Hawaiian slang to get by on.

Hey, I can imagine folks in Texas would take offense at "mahalo" unless they knew what it meant. :D I suppose the low wage positions might have something to do with it. Hawaii is expensive. Had a friend go out there to teach for a post-doc position, and then they ended up in Alabama. Great experience, they said; far too expensive to live there.

167 bellamags  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:25:56am

re: #162 Ojoe

That is beautiful. Makes me long for the smell of a campfire, bacon sizzling and coffee percolating over the fire, cold feet and comfort stations.

168 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:26:03am

re: #132 OldLineTexan


I guess "Oh! The humanity" would be tough to fit on a license plate..

I haven't figured out what would be worse getting T-boned in Pious and being trapped in a conflaguration of batterys, gasoline, and high voltage cables... or ... Riding around in a vehicle with a hyrdrogen generator.

H-Bomb would fit nicely....

169 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:27:24am

re: #162 Ojoe

Too esoteric for the crackers 'round here.

I would hazard that many have at least seen the famous photo of the Hindenburg accident...things that explode, make large columns of flame and smoke, and cause casualties are familiar along the Texas Gulf Coast.

170 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:27:53am

re: #112 yochanan

[Link: mlb.mlb.com...]

the Chicago White Sox are leading in their division by 4.5 games the cubs are leading by 3.5 but you would not know it here in Chicago all we hear about are the FUBS. The bias of the media is just as bad in sports as in politics.


So true. If there is a Sox/Cubs (Subway) World Series, I can guarantee that the Sox will be treated like the visitors by the local media. It will not tip the balance of power in the world, but it is annoying.

171 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:28:07am

re: #145 OldLineTexan
WooT! What a job! LOL! Just so you take the course so you understand what Hawaian Islanders (e.g., tourists) want when they go to McDonalds's!
LOL! That article was unintentionally a laugh riot!
Good luck with that job application. Just remember that Hawaiian's pronounce every letter in any word, no matter how long and/or convoluted that word may be.

172 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:28:27am

re: #151 vxbush

I'm glad they outsource to the mainland, but when you think about it, they have to. It is tricky understanding Hawaiians, sometimes. They need to have people fluent in American English and go from there.

Say you're from India. Person pulls up and says:

"Hey brah, I wan' da kine McMuffin with Spam".

173 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:28:31am

re: #166 vxbush

Hey, I can imagine folks in Texas would take offense at "mahalo" unless they knew what it meant. :D .

We got surfers out here, man!

/not many in El Paso, though

174 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:29:46am

re: #172 angst

I'm glad they outsource to the mainland, but when you think about it, they have to. It is tricky understanding Hawaiians, sometimes. They need to have people fluent in American English and go from there.

Say you're from India. Person pulls up and says:

"Hey brah, I wan' da kine McMuffin with Spam".

Okay, now I've lost all my desire for breakfast.

175 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:29:58am

Errand-running time. I hope everyone here has a wonderful day.

176 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:30:04am

Obama license plate:

GR8 BUS

177 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:30:13am

re: #168 Endangered in MASS

I guess "Oh! The humanity" would be tough to fit on a license plate..

I haven't figured out what would be worse getting T-boned in Pious and being trapped in a conflaguration of batterys, gasoline, and high voltage cables... or ... Riding around in a vehicle with a hyrdrogen generator.

H-Bomb would fit nicely....

I really do WANT a hydrogen cell car...they are in use in space. But hydrogen is one of those ticklish substances that goes BOOM.

Also, I am curious as to how much energy is expended in "making" the hydrogen, you know? Kind of like the ethanol argument.

178 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:30:25am

re: #176 WriterMom

Obama license plate:

GR8 BUS

ROTF! That's dangerous.

179 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:30:44am

Michelle Obama

H8 USA

180 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:30:54am

re: #122 realwest

Funny, Realwest--been thinking about going BACK to work--just to get some rest!

181 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:31:46am

re: #171 realwest

WooT! What a job! LOL! Just so you take the course so you understand what Hawaian Islanders (e.g., tourists) want when they go to McDonalds's!
LOL! That article was unintentionally a laugh riot!
Good luck with that job application. Just remember that Hawaiian's pronounce every letter in any word, no matter how long and/or convoluted that word may be.

Everybody I can't understand gets a Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

Youse tourists from Joisey go ahead and diet foist, capiche?

182 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:31:50am

re: #174 vxbush

Okay, now I've lost all my desire for breakfast.

Not me! There is this little place in Hilo that serves gravy on eggs on spam on rice. I know it has a name (any Hawaiians out there?). A whole day's worth of calories and a week's worth of cholesterol. Yum.

183 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:31:52am

Al Gore plate

HIPPOCR8

184 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:32:12am

Just amusing myself here instead of working...

185 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:32:50am

re: #172 angst

They need to have people fluent in American English and go from there.

That is going to be hard to come by in El Paso! Check the location on the map.

/

187 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:33:29am

re: #182 angst

Not me! There is this little place in Hilo that serves gravy on eggs on spam on rice. I know it has a name (any Hawaiians out there?). A whole day's worth of calories and a week's worth of cholesterol. Yum.

Okay, now I've lost my appetite for the day. Blech X 3.

188 akarra  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:33:39am

re: #129 angst

Ah, the lizardoid minions are up early (no offense to the international lizards). Plans for world domination never sleep, I guess.

I was at the new Gettysburg National Military Park over Memorial Day (a good place to be, it's huge and can handle crowds). It's very beautiful, respectfully done and very, very interesting. Got my 14-yo reading Killer Angels now.

Then, of course, we went to the Lincoln Memorial while we were out east. I have to say, after all the Anti-Americanism we hear (from Americans and foreigners) you sure wouldn't know it at the memorials. They're packed.

I especially liked the new (to me) WWII Memorial and the Liberty Bell display. In case anyone needs to have it spelled out why America is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Thanks for the response!

I haven't been to Gettysburg in a few years; Killer Angels is a really good book.

It's interesting you bring up the Lincoln Memorial - I was just there. I wasn't that big on the WWII Memorial; I liked the open space and everything, but I'm sure you saw the Korean War Memorial and wow was that thing powerful and timely.

189 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:34:17am

re: #170 opnion


Where's 3-Wood? The Cub/White Sox comments usually stir him up.

190 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:34:33am

re: #164 realwest

Doing fine this morning. Didn't get anything back from you, so I thought I'd make sure you got it. Let me know if you need help getting it done my friend. Will be lurking around some today, but I have work I must get done. Hope your day goes well. What time you heading out for your test?
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191 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:34:46am

re: #189 Endangered in MASS

Where's 3-Wood? The Cub/White Sox comments usually stir him up.

Still overseas on vacation, I think, or recovering from getting back stateside. He should be getting back online before too long, although I bet realwest knows more.

192 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:35:33am

re: #180 irongrampa

Funny, Realwest--been thinking about going BACK to work--just to get some rest!

I knew a guy at Lockheed that retired to a beautiful "farm" with a cherry orchard on Colorado's western slope. One neighbor was a plateau belonging to a big ski resort. He "unretired" three times before he sold the place. The cherries were too much work.

I'd let the birds have them, personally, and stay.

Not really, because Texans are very unpopular in Colorado (if they stay). ;)

193 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:36:55am

re: #162 Ojoe
Good morning Ojoe - thanks, again, for that photo from Mt. Wilson!
And y'all can use Graf or DLZ but I want mine to read "Led"!
And speaking of which: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

194 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:37:05am
195 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:37:12am

re: #192 OldLineTexan

I knew a guy at Lockheed that retired to a beautiful "farm" with a cherry orchard on Colorado's western slope. One neighbor was a plateau belonging to a big ski resort. He "unretired" three times before he sold the place. The cherries were too much work.

I'd let the birds have them, personally, and stay.

Not really, because Texans are very unpopular in Colorado (if they stay). ;)

I like visiting Colorado and I have friends there, but I don't think I could retire there. I'm not fond of snow. I like moisture in the air (so I can breathe). I like corn. I think I'm going to end up right where I am. :D

196 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:38:06am

re: #190 1SG(ret)

Morning Top. Long time no see.

197 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:38:33am

re: #195 vxbush

I like visiting Colorado and I have friends there, but I don't think I could retire there. I'm not fond of snow. I like moisture in the air (so I can breathe). I like corn. I think I'm going to end up right where I am. :D

If you like humidity, corn, and 90-100 degree F summers, y'all could live pretty close to me!

198 gallatin  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:38:46am

re: #63 slartybartfast

"I'd suggest that they be distributed throughout the Federal Prison system No special treatment...just an orange jumpsuit and a number."

I'll second that. Ad a good morning to all...

199 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:39:14am

re: #180 irongrampa
ROTFL! Yeah, I hear ya!

200 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:39:31am

re: #197 OldLineTexan

If you like humidity, corn, and 90-100 degree F summers, y'all could live pretty close to me!

Heh. Well, my sister lives in Austin. It would certainly make it more convenient to visit her and her family.

201 yesandno  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:40:09am

Might want to check out this interview with Doug Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy under Rumsfeld. Wrote book: War and Decision. About decision to go to war with Iraq.
[Link: tv.nationalreview.com...]

Also, documentation at

http://www.waranddecision.com/

202 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:40:15am

re: #191 vxbush

I knew he was going to the old country.. He's been gone a while though..

I could use a serious 30 day vacation......

203 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:41:09am

re: #200 vxbush

Heh. Well, my sister lives in Austin. It would certainly make it more convenient to visit her and her family.

US290 between Houston and Austin is exactly the location I am talking about. Of course, it would be a touch closer to Houston; still, Austin is a short trip, IMO.

205 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:42:47am

re: #203 OldLineTexan

US290 between Houston and Austin is exactly the location I am talking about. Of course, it would be a touch closer to Houston; still, Austin is a short trip, IMO.

Hey, a lot closer than Illinois.

206 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:42:51am

re: #198 gallatin

"I'd suggest that they be distributed throughout the Federal Texas State Prison system No special treatment...just an orange jumpsuit and a number."

I'll second that. Ad a good morning to all...

There. I just saved you guys about 50% of your cost.

Plus, your Gitmo boys just got a lot more nervous...

207 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:11am

re: #190 1SG(ret) Hey Top. Damn, gonna have to check your e-mail addy again! I think I can take care of it, though was surprised to find a PDF file you can type into, but can't copy (except by printing!)!
I'm leaving in a little less than an hour, but will be getting off LGF sometime before then.

208 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:14am
209 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:38am

re: #204 Ojoe

They are making a repair ...

in flight ...

someone is down the side on a rope, you can't see him.

210 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:42am

re: #177 OldLineTexan

I used to sell industrial gases, and back in those days hydrogen was a by-product gas. We would contract for a portion of a plant's waste stream, package it, distribute it, and cackle as we counted our cash. The biggest hassle (and safety risk) was the storage method: high pressure cylinders. Puncture a 2400 psi hydrogen cylinder and a fire will be the least of your worries. If the hybrid's hydrogen comes from cracking a relatively stable feedstock like methane, or is stored in lithium hydride form, this thing could workable. Spacecraft use HP or liquid hydrogen, of course, but spacecraft encounter few intersections.

211 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:47am

re: #196 Endangered in MASS

Haven't had much time for posting lately, or lurking for that matter. Work has me traveling a lot this year. Have a little time here at home and it's off again the middle of Jul for another 6 week working trip. Can never catch up with things here! Glad to see you!
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212 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:43:50am

re: #208 vxbush

One question: WHY?!

Inspection and/or repair.

213 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:12am

Morning to everyone...even some of you early bird west coasters.

Speaking of birds, our 9 year old son discovered a fledgling on the ground while we were out for a Father's Day walk. We allowed him to bring it home in a little terrarium. He made a comfortable nest, and googled the topic to see what to hand feed a bird: dog biscuits soaked in milk.

Lo and behold, this is one enthused hungry bird. Even Mr. DT who had originally told him that it is nature's way for the runt to be kicked out of the nest, says this might work and has fed the bird this morning while our son is at school- (because school is not yet out in New Jersey. We had so many snow days and teacher inservice days that they kept tacking days on to the end of the year. So now it's party after party, and fun day, after 3rd grade yard sale.)

214 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:12am

re: #100 yochanan

THE WAR IN CHICAGO

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]


This report must be in error. There cannot be gun violence in Chicago.
Gun ownership is illegal & therefore criminal forego them.
Actually, gun violence is higher than ever. The Illionis Junior Senator demanded a meeting with the Mayor & Chief of Police.
He of course he promptly forgot about it & continued to hone his image as Messiah

215 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:16am

re: #208 vxbush

Why? because nobody pays attention to airships anymore.

216 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

The situation in Zimbabwe continues to decline precipitously. Mugabe continues to state that he will not abide by the results of a runoff election on June 27, his thugs continue harassing the opposition leaders, and Mugabe is now pulling a page from the Burmese junta playbook - claiming that the international aid organizations, which are providing basic food and services that Mugabe refuses to, are engaging in subterfuge against his government.

217 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:48am

re: #185 OldLineTexan

This could be very amusing.
Maybe they should have picked Nebraska.

218 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:44:51am

re: #55 Shug

didn't John Holmes say that ?

Arrrrrg! Oh, you mean his heroin addiction...of course. What else could I have been thinking. :O

219 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:45:07am

re: #132 OldLineTexan

I'm saving up for one of those shiny new Honda hydrogen cars.

My new vanity plate:

HNDNBRG


ROFL!

Morning all!

220 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:45:17am

re: #210 Pullus Iulius

I used to sell industrial gases, and back in those days hydrogen was a by-product gas. We would contract for a portion of a plant's waste stream, package it, distribute it, and cackle as we counted our cash. The biggest hassle (and safety risk) was the storage method: high pressure cylinders. Puncture a 2400 psi hydrogen cylinder and a fire will be the least of your worries. If the hybrid's hydrogen comes from cracking a relatively stable feedstock like methane, or is stored in lithium hydride form, this thing could workable. Spacecraft use HP or liquid hydrogen, of course, but spacecraft encounter few intersections.

Yes, we get nitrogen bottles to use in the lab. The gas is not the issue!

Can you see the hydrogen tankers going down the freeway at rush hour?

221 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:45:47am

re: #33 CIA Reject

You know, I disagreed with the man's politics but at least he wasn't a barking moonbat. Where have all the honest liberals gone? Where are the intellectual heirs of FDR, Truman, HHH, and Pat Moynihan?

Enquiring minds want to know....

And another thing - as an exercise for the class: what can the US do to foment either a "cold" or "hot" war between primarily sunni Saudi Arabia and primarily shiite Iran with the goal of forcing each to "cheat" on their OPEC quotas and increase oil production? Would such a war and resulting cheating make a significant difference in the price of oil?

That's just a thought I had on the way in to work and I'll leave y'all with it for a bit as I actually have to get some work done this morning.

/Oh, and Good Morning Everybody!

Liberal POTUS candidates used to be guys you could STRONGLY disagree with, but still have respect for.

George McGovern would not have spent 20 years sitting in a church where the pastor says the US government deliberately created the AIDS virus to "genocide" against Black people.

222 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:06am

re: #197 OldLineTexan

If you like humidity, corn, and 90-100 degree F summers, y'all could live pretty close to me!

The big secret of California, especially the SF bay area is the weather. San Jose, 70 degrees, low humidity. Gets to the point where no one even mentioned the weather. When we moved back east in September 02 everyone was talking about the nice weather. We didn't undertsand, until we experienced a New Jersey Winter and Summer.

223 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:11am

BBL

224 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:29am

re: #182 angst

Not me! There is this little place in Hilo that serves gravy on eggs on spam on rice. I know it has a name (any Hawaiians out there?). A whole day's worth of calories and a week's worth of cholesterol. Yum.


I don't like SPAM!

225 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:46am

re: #177 OldLineTexan

I really do WANT a hydrogen cell car...they are in use in space. But hydrogen is one of those ticklish substances that goes BOOM.

Also, I am curious as to how much energy is expended in "making" the hydrogen, you know? Kind of like the ethanol argument.

Hydrogen is very explosive as you say, but probably no more than gasoline. It floats away into the atmosphere when released being lighter than air, where gasoline fumes go to the lowest level.
It is expensive to make, and storage and portability is a problem.

It is widely used in electric power generation for generator cooling. Yes, you heard that right. In the proper ratio of H2 in air it's harmless, and an excellent cooling medium. The rule of thumb is any concentration of H2 of 5-75% in air is explosive. When kept under pressure in a generator little air can get into the system except what can be entrained by the seal oil system, and that is constantly purged by spray nozzles in a vacuum tank. Where I worked we kept ours at 30 psi with at least 95% purity.

226 yesandno  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:50am

Every time I see the flag of the last thread..."How Many Kos Kids Can Dance on the Head of a Pin?" and then see the (634) then (635) then (636)....I keep asking myself how they keep making room for one more?

:)

227 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:46:51am

re: #209 Ojoe Did anyone ever see him, again?!?
Whoa, talk about tough jobs!

228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:47:21am

re: #182 angst

Not me! There is this little place in Hilo that serves gravy on eggs on spam on rice. I know it has a name (any Hawaiians out there?). A whole day's worth of calories and a week's worth of cholesterol. Yum.

229 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #93 akarra

I'll try the first part of your question (btw, good morning), not the foreign policy part.

As much as I like my more libertarian friends, and as dangerous as socialism could be, I suspect a more overt socialist stance on the part of Democrats kept them honest. FDR had to back up his ideas about government and so built on Wilson's idea of the President as a Progressive leader. He also embraced things like Keynesian economics, theories we can disagree about but can argue.

Is there really a way to argue with "change we can believe in?" I think the modern Left plays off the fact we're all libertarian in a sense - we really don't want to stick our nose where it doesn't belong - and so doesn't have to make the populism meet policy in any coherent or substantive way. The worst part of this problem shows in their "approach" to foreign policy, if talking and dancing with everyone can be called serious policymaking.

There's also the fundamental issue of how they viewed the United States. Yesterday's liberals may have advocated differing degrees of socialism, but they also believed that the US was a great nation that was worth defending. So they stood for a strong national defense and a foreign policy that favored US interests. Where are these people today?

Today's liberalism is almost universally infused with Anti-americanism. Why? One does not require the other.

230 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:48:04am

re: #220 OldLineTexan

Yes, we get nitrogen bottles to use in the lab. The gas is not the issue!

Can you see the hydrogen tankers going down the freeway at rush hour?

Hydrogen tankers are out there, with 2000 psi bottles on board, actually a special trailer is used for hydrogen gas transport.

231 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:48:07am

Since it's looking like a rain-free day here, I think we'll take out our brand new 68 Plymouth for some exercise. Kind of a reward for all the labor and money invested. It's only cost a bit over 3 times the original invoice price to get it to this stage, along with a TON of work.
Still very proud of the result, tho'.

232 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:48:38am

re: #211 1SG(ret)

What kind of work? I take it your travel doesn't involve and M-60 or M-1.

233 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:48:50am

re: #225 HDrepub

Hydrogen is very explosive as you say, but probably no more than gasoline. It floats away into the atmosphere when released being lighter than air, where gasoline fumes go to the lowest level.
It is expensive to make, and storage and portability is a problem.

It is widely used in electric power generation for generator cooling. Yes, you heard that right. In the proper ratio of H2 in air it's harmless, and an excellent cooling medium. The rule of thumb is any concentration of H2 of 5-75% in air is explosive. When kept under pressure in a generator little air can get into the system except what can be entrained by the seal oil system, and that is constantly purged by spray nozzles in a vacuum tank. Where I worked we kept ours at 30 psi with at least 95% purity.

Very interesting. Good point on the "vapors", which is a plus. Still, it is my understanding (as you pointed out) that it's expensive. And it has to come from somewhere, and get to somewhere else.

234 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:48:55am

Baltimore is having a big murder crime wave.

LA is having a big muridng crime wave.

Chicago is having a big murder crime wave

Philly is having a big murder crime wave.

Will SOMEONE connect the DOTS ?!

235 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:49:21am

re: #231 irongrampa

Since it's looking like a rain-free day here, I think we'll take out our brand new 68 Plymouth for some exercise. Kind of a reward for all the labor and money invested. It's only cost a bit over 3 times the original invoice price to get it to this stage, along with a TON of work.
Still very proud of the result, tho'.

Tell me you put a fantastic paint job on it, though. One that makes it stand out for miles.

236 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #234 DistantThunder

Baltimore is having a big murder crime wave.

LA is having a big muridng crime wave.

Chicago is having a big murder crime wave

Philly is having a big murder crime wave.

Will SOMEONE connect the DOTS ?!

The dots are blue, no?

237 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:49:52am

re: #230 HDrepub

Hydrogen tankers are out there, with 2000 psi bottles on board, actually a special trailer is used for hydrogen gas transport.

For the hydrogen fuel stations, would they still use bottles? Wouldn't it be almost necessary to go to bigger containers for storage and transport?

238 SecondComing  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:50:08am

Obama lectures dads on watching too much Sportscenter, feeding kids "cold Popeye's" and too much soda on Father's day: [Link: www.iht.com...]

239 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:50:24am

re: #234 DistantThunder

Baltimore is having a big murder crime wave.

LA is having a big muridng crime wave.

Chicago is having a big murder crime wave

Philly is having a big murder crime wave.

Will SOMEONE connect the DOTS ?!


The...Amish?

240 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:50:29am

re: #235 vxbush

Yep--Matador red--just like my original.

241 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:51:38am

re: #132 OldLineTexan

I'm saving up for one of those shiny new Honda hydrogen cars.

My new vanity plate:

HNDNBRG

Heh, reminds me of Dennis Miller's quip on the whole hydrogen car idea: "Oh yeah, that's where I want to be- out in the mall parking lot surrounded by ten thousand mini Hindenburgs!"

242 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:52:01am

re: #185 OldLineTexan

That is going to be hard to come by in El Paso! Check the location on the map.

/

Greeting from Lizardian territory in Las Cruces.

243 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:52:19am

re: #236 Hard Right

The dots are blue, no?

Well it's hard to have a BIG MURDER CRIME WAVE in small rural town.

244 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:52:23am

re: #198 gallatin

Does your nic have anything to do with the Gallatin River?re: #224 Hard Right

Email spam is bad. Meat spam is good. Once we had a waiter trying to explain what a terrine was, and I stopped him and said, "It's Spam, only nicer." He didn't like that comparison but he didn't disagree, either.

245 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:52:33am

re: #234 DistantThunder

Baltimore is having a big murder crime wave.

LA is having a big muridng crime wave.

Chicago is having a big murder crime wave

Philly is having a big murder crime wave.

Will SOMEONE connect the DOTS ?!

These murders are being caused by hydrogen!

246 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:52:59am

re: #239 OldLineTexan

The...Amish?

Would someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

247 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:09am

re: #243 funkyfantom

Well it's hard to have a BIG MURDER CRIME WAVE in small rural town.

We've had a lot of gang related killings, and across the border a huge drug war.

248 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:12am

re: #239 OldLineTexan

The...Amish?

It might be the "crackdown" that's causing the murders because all these Liberal Democrats mayors have promised to "crackdown" - over and over and over - so maybe if the cities just backed off the criminals a little bit the murderers wouldn't feel the need to murder. /s

249 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:20am

re: #218 Hard Right
LOL! I actually met John Holmes once, at one of the few parties I've ever been thrown out of! I got irritated with his boyfriends antics and punched his lights out and was politely asked by about eleventy million bouncers to leave!
John in person was not - ah, the sharpest knife in the draw (and this was before his heroin addiction and other problems).

250 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:37am
251 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:52am

re: #189 Endangered in MASS

Where's 3-Wood? The Cub/White Sox comments usually stir him up.

Don't know but the baseball Civil War starts this weekend, for three games at Wrigley, then segues to Comiskey the next weekend.
Both Sunday games will be Sunday night, game of the week.
It gets a little emotional, but a great time.

252 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:54am

Speaking of oil, a new record price this morning.

253 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:53:57am

Good morning folks... my suggestion for Obama's license plate,

BTR WFL

254 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:54:21am

re: #250 taxfreekiller

chickens that will not hatch are a good Scrabble word,

Zoa,

unfertilized chicken egg

and no the spell check will not have it but the scrabble dic. does

or ref. to an animal done in taxonomy

Penguin is another. Also deadly in hangman.

255 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:54:29am

re: #237 OldLineTexan

For the hydrogen fuel stations, would they still use bottles? Wouldn't it be almost necessary to go to bigger containers for storage and transport?

My knowledge of H2 is limited to its use in power generation as a coolant.

It has to compressed like any other gas of course to save storage space. The ideal fuel would be liquid H2 but we are really talking expensive there. I would imagine the liquid form is used for space craft.

H2 gas does not exist in natural form and must be produced, that's the problem with it.
I have seen H2 leaks self-ignited in my days in the powerhouse. A strange thing that I can't explain, other than maybe the rapid expansion of gas creating static electricity.

256 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:54:30am

Big hydrogen is taking over and will soon be passing gas.

257 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:54:51am

re: #243 funkyfantom

Well it's hard to have a BIG MURDER CRIME WAVE in small rural town.

Well, try harder. ;)

258 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:11am

re: #230 HDrepub

You'll see high pressure hydrogen tube trailers made of big, 30 foot long sausage-like tubes out on the highways pretty frequently. They're used on power plant outages and re-starts. I also see liquid H2 trailers around here, because we're near a NASA facility. But, the delivery scheme would have to be re-worked. There is no question. And the most dangerous gas I ever sold, both in reactivity and in raw end-user injuries per year? Oxygen. Nothing else even came close.

259 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:15am

re: #232 Endangered in MASS

Actually it does, along with boots on the ground training. I'm still involved with the training of soldiers heading to the sand box. I do it as a contractor now though. Heading out west for large training exercise in Jul.
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260 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:49am

re: #258 Pullus Iulius

You'll see high pressure hydrogen tube trailers made of big, 30 foot long sausage-like tubes out on the highways pretty frequently. They're used on power plant outages and re-starts. I also see liquid H2 trailers around here, because we're near a NASA facility. But, the delivery scheme would have to be re-worked. There is no question. And the most dangerous gas I ever sold, both in reactivity and in raw end-user injuries per year? Oxygen. Nothing else even came close.

Which NASA facility are you near?

261 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:51am

re: #222 DistantThunder
Good morning DT - Dashiel Hammett - one of America's most gifted writers - once said that the coldest he'd ever been was on a summer day in San Francisco! LOL!

262 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:52am

re: #221 funkyfantom

Liberal POTUS candidates used to be guys you could STRONGLY disagree with, but still have respect for.

George McGovern would not have spent 20 years sitting in a church where the pastor says the US government deliberately created the AIDS virus to "genocide" against Black people.

Exactly! It's mind-boggling that the latest crop of liberals would make one nostolgic for the likes of George McGovern. How did liberalism in America reach it's current state?

263 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:55:56am

re: #259 1SG(ret)
West- NTC?

264 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:56:34am

re: #258 Pullus Iulius

And the most dangerous gas I ever sold, both in reactivity and in raw end-user injuries per year? Oxygen. Nothing else even came close.

That does it! I am starting a massive petition drive to ban oxygen. Who's with me?

265 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:57:38am

re: #249 realwest

LOL! I actually met John Holmes once, at one of the few parties I've ever been thrown out of! I got irritated with his boyfriends antics and punched his lights out and was politely asked by about eleventy million bouncers to leave!
John in person was not - ah, the sharpest knife in the draw (and this was before his heroin addiction and other problems).

Sounds like he could he could have had a future as a Dem congressman.

266 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:57:55am

re: #258 Pullus Iulius

You'll see high pressure hydrogen tube trailers made of big, 30 foot long sausage-like tubes out on the highways pretty frequently. They're used on power plant outages and re-starts. I also see liquid H2 trailers around here, because we're near a NASA facility. But, the delivery scheme would have to be re-worked. There is no question. And the most dangerous gas I ever sold, both in reactivity and in raw end-user injuries per year? Oxygen. Nothing else even came close.

Yes I know, I worked at a power plant for 30 yrs. H2 gas was just a common commodity we needed and used, and came in those special handling trailers you speak of. Actually it is used everyday in generators for cooling. During outages it is purged out of the generators with CO2 if any generator work is planned.

267 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:57:58am

re: #247 songbird

We've had a lot of gang related killings, and across the border a huge drug war.

I guess you are right, relative to normal for a small rural town, you could have a BIG MURDER CRIME WAVE. It could be a relative concept.

268 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:58:10am

re: #238 SecondComing

Obama lectures dads on watching too much Sportscenter, feeding kids "cold Popeye's" and too much soda on Father's day: [Link: www.iht.com...]

What an ass. Is he running for president or national nanny?

269 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:58:25am

re: #234 DistantThunder,

It's a quagmire!

QUAGMIRE!

Time to pull out! Now!

270 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:58:29am

re: #255 HDrepub

The main source for industrial hydrogen gas is the catalytic conversion of natural gas. More well known, but less commonly used is the electrolysis of water. The first method uses fossil fuel, the second uses lots of electricity. Therefore, H2 makes little economic or environmental sense as a fuel alternative.

271 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:58:42am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

That does it! I am starting a massive petition drive to ban oxygen. Who's with me?

Get a petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide while you are at it.

Here's more!

272 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:59:16am

re: #264 Occasional Reader

... ..like carbon dioxide?

273 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 6:59:24am

Daughter 22, and son-in-law , 25 are installing security systems in South Boston. She said that people she installs for give her advice -" don't wear your wedding ring" (she shouldn't be wearing it anyway to do installs, but she happened to forget.) Don't work alone - she usually works with her husband.

But she said, people stop and stare at them on the streets and in restaurants where they are often the only whites. In line at Burger King a woman approached our SIL and said: We don't see many of your kind here.

The police regularly stop the company salesmen and tell them, you shouldn't be here. It's a sad commentary on the fact that people living in stable families have fewer services because people are afraid to go into those neighborhoods - but that is exactly where they need the security.

I pray for them.

274 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:00:20am

re: #265 Hard Right,

Just a Democrat voter. He is, after all, dead. Just the way they like 'em.

275 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:00:33am

re: #263 Endangered in MASS

No, although I've spent many a day there. I work mainly with NG soldiers now. Will be in ID.
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276 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:00:44am

re: #270 Kenneth

Yo Kenneth-you coming to lunch?

277 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:05am
278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #268 opnion

What an ass. Is he running for president or national nanny?


And what's wrong with cold Popeye's chicken anyway? I love cold fried chicken!

279 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #267 funkyfantom

I guess you are right, relative to normal for a small rural town, you could have a BIG MURDER CRIME WAVE. It could be a relative concept.

Personally, I'm hoping for a large chocolate crime wave. I do take bribes, you see.

280 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #276 WriterMom

When lunch?

281 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #265 Hard Right
"Sounds like he could he could have had a BIG future as a Dem congressman."
There, fixed that for you!
LOL!

282 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:01:59am

re: #280 Kenneth

GAAAAAA. Lunch with Ezra Levant, dude! Today!

283 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:02:30am

re: #270 Kenneth

The main source for industrial hydrogen gas is the catalytic conversion of natural gas. More well known, but less commonly used is the electrolysis of water. The first method uses fossil fuel, the second uses lots of electricity. Therefore, H2 makes little economic or environmental sense as a fuel alternative.

Kenneth, you seem to be very knowledgeable about this and that was exactly the question I have. How can the article state that the car was three times more fuel efficient? How are they comparing fuels- joules? Total energy required from the raw source to the point where they get the car's wheels going around and around? Petroleum consumed? Inquiring minds want to know.

284 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:02:34am

re: #238 SecondComing

Obama lectures dads on watching too much Sportscenter, feeding kids "cold Popeye's" and too much soda on Father's day: [Link: www.iht.com...]

The mostly black audience was told not to "just sit in the house watching 'SportsCenter,"' and to stop praising themselves for mediocre accomplishments.

"Don't get carried away with that eighth-grade graduation," he said, bringing many members of the congregation to their feet, applauding. "You're supposed to graduate from eighth grade."

Obama pretty much ripped off that one-liner from Chris Rock (in a modified version). Rock had an observation about the "Promise Keepers" or some such group, to the effect of; you see these guys giving themselves standing ovations, "yay, I don't beat my kids!" You know what? You're not supposed to beat your kids.

285 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:02:56am

Not terribly concerned with alternate fuel sources, nothing yet has come close to oil as a primary energy source , and the IC engine in it's present state has too many advantages for any of the proposed sources to overcome.
Until that changes, we can look to our present situation for the foreseeable future.

286 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:02:58am

re: #234 DistantThunder

I've got it! Monks! Budhist Monks!

287 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:03:16am

re: #275 1SG(ret)

Interesting. Give those NG's hell.

288 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:03:16am

re: #260 songbird

Which NASA facility are you near?

That would be Goddard, in Greenbelt. Thus you have LH2 trailers negotiating I-95 and the Washington Beltway. What could go wrong?

289 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #273 DistantThunder

Daughter 22, and son-in-law , 25 are installing security systems in South Boston. She said that people she installs for give her advice -" don't wear your wedding ring" (she shouldn't be wearing it anyway to do installs, but she happened to forget.) Don't work alone - she usually works with her husband.

But she said, people stop and stare at them on the streets and in restaurants where they are often the only whites. In line at Burger King a woman approached our SIL and said: We don't see many of your kind here.

The police regularly stop the company salesmen and tell them, you shouldn't be here. It's a sad commentary on the fact that people living in stable families have fewer services because people are afraid to go into those neighborhoods - but that is exactly where they need the security.

I pray for them.

Wow. Sounds like they are brave people. I'll do my best to keep them in mind.

290 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:22am

re: #270 Kenneth

The main source for industrial hydrogen gas is the catalytic conversion of natural gas. More well known, but less commonly used is the electrolysis of water. The first method uses fossil fuel, the second uses lots of electricity. Therefore, H2 makes little economic or environmental sense as a fuel alternative.

That is my understanding of H2 as a fuel. It might be feasible but not worth it. We have to be careful of all the business interests in new energy sources. For instance I can't believe the number of people who believe building nuclear power plants helps the oil situation, when less than 2% oftotal electric power is produced with oil. Of course the nuclear construction industry would love it, but it will replace little oil consumption. It would replace a lot of coal usage, which isn't a bad thing, and as aging coal burners are retired I think they should be replaced with nuclear power.

291 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:36am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

Promise Keepers?

Specs? I'm sure I'm gonna hurl...

292 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:47am

re: #279 vxbush

Personally, I'm hoping for a large chocolate crime wave. I do take bribes, you see.

Chocolate crime? How racist.

/

293 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:47am

re: #288 Pullus Iulius

That would be Goddard, in Greenbelt. Thus you have LH2 trailers negotiating I-95 and the Washington Beltway. What could go wrong?

Very exciting! My husband is at the White Sands Facility. Hypergallic fuels and all, but pretty isolated from civilization.

294 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:04:48am

re: #278 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And what's wrong with cold Popeye's chicken anyway? I love cold fried chicken!


Yeah, that was an odd thing to say. But the rice & beans need to be heated.
But the point is, WTF is he talking about?
Barry focus on energy & winning the WOT.
Damn, I forgot, He will handle the WOT by capitulation & will increase oil production with a windfall profit tax.

295 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:05:24am

re: #268 opnion

What an ass. Is he running for president or national nanny?

YES.

296 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:05:35am

re: #284 Occasional Reader

Obama pretty much ripped off that one-liner from Chris Rock (in a modified version). Rock had an observation about the "Promise Keepers" or some such group, to the effect of; you see these guys giving themselves standing ovations, "yay, I don't beat my kids!" You know what? You're not supposed to beat your kids.

That said... I'm not gonna fault Obama on this one. If he can get listened to on the subject of the alarming rate of fatherless black families, good for him.

297 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:05:53am

re: #220 OldLineTexan


WOW a car crash could be something else. Glad I retired as a fire fighters. Yikes!

298 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:06:06am

re: #268 opnion

What an ass. Is he running for president or national nanny?

In his world, there's no difference.

299 incanus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:06:28am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

That said... I'm not gonna fault Obama on this one. If he can get listened to on the subject of the alarming rate of fatherless black families, good for him.

No one's listened to Bill Cosby, so why start now?

300 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:06:31am

re: #257 Hard Right

Well, try harder. ;)

Actually mid size town are having big crime waves too. The liberal geniuses who decided to tear down the ghettos in midsize cities and send all the section 8 recipients to the burbs were puzzled and shocked when all the crime left the city center and moved to the burbs too.

Atlantic Monthly has a MUST READ article in July/August 2008 edition called American Murder Mystery. When the researchers and planner took their findings to the cities the response was - exactly what you would guess.

Why is crime rising in so many American cities? The answer implicates one of the most celebrated antipoverty programs of recent decades.

Earlier this year, Betts presented her findings to city leaders, including Robert Lipscomb, the head of the Memphis Housing Authority. From what Lipscomb said to me, he’s still not moved. “You’ve already marginalized people and told them they have to move out,” he told me irritably, just as he’s told Betts. “Now you’re saying they moved somewhere else and created all these problems? That’s a really, really unfair assessment. You’re putting a big burden on people who have been too burdened already, and to me that’s, quote-unquote, criminal.” To Lipscomb, what matters is sending people who lived in public housing the message that “they can be successful, they can go to work and have kids who go to school. They can be self-sufficient and reach for the middle class.”

But Betts doesn’t think this message, alone, will stick, and she gets frustrated when she sees sensitivity about race or class blocking debate. “You can’t begin to problem-solve until you lay it out,” she said. “Most of us are not living in these high-crime neighborhoods. And I’m out there listening to the people who are not committing the crimes, who expected something better.” The victims, she notes, are seldom white. “There are decent African American neighborhoods—neighborhoods of choice—that are going down,” she said.

"We're here from the government and we're here to help." - Reagan

301 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:06:52am

re: #287 Endangered in MASS

That seems to be my biggest problem doing what I do. Many times, I forget that I'm retired! lol
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302 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:15am

re: #297 Dustoff-507
Hey, good morining to you! How's things with you today?

303 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:16am

re: #270 Kenneth

The main source for industrial hydrogen gas is the catalytic conversion of natural gas. More well known, but less commonly used is the electrolysis of water. The first method uses fossil fuel, the second uses lots of electricity. Therefore, H2 makes little economic or environmental sense as a fuel alternative.

Yep. As has been pointed out countless times here at LGF, hydrogen is an energy storage method, not an energy source.

304 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:17am

re: #282 WriterMom

Really! Wow, I would love to go, but alas I have an appointment with "M" at the hospital.

305 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:18am

re: #282 WriterMom

GAAAAAA. Lunch with Ezra Levant, dude! Today!

He's my hero!

306 bellamags  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:28am

re: #273 DistantThunder

That angers me to no end. How sad. Hope they will be ok. That kind of thing makes me thankful to live in a 90% rep. city.

307 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:53am

re: #259 1SG(ret)

Actually it does, along with boots on the ground training. I'm still involved with the training of soldiers heading to the sand box. I do it as a contractor now though. Heading out west for large training exercise in Jul.
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Mr. DT trains military and contractors too.

308 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:07:55am

re: #299 incanus

No one's listened to Bill Cosby, so why start now?


Obama does not have Cosby's cred. Bill Cosby was not whoreing for votes.

309 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:08:02am

Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, and the entire left-wing democrat establishment must be SO proud:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

310 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:08:20am

re: #290 HDrepub

Politicians need to learn that energy cannot be either destroyed or created, just moved from one form to another. They seem to believe in magic.

311 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:08:58am
312 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:09:44am

re: #289 incanus

Wow. Sounds like they are brave people. I'll do my best to keep them in mind.

LAst year they were in McAllen Texas on the border in the middle of the drug war.

313 vxbush  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:09:48am

Okay, gotta get to the dentist's office. Later, everyone.

314 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:09:59am

re: #304 Kenneth

Ahh-well my best to "M"-that's more important of course.
I'll take notes and post here.

315 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:10:16am

Pound for pound H2 packs a much bigger punch than gasoline, but at what cost? It may be more efficient energy wise, but economically wise I don't know.

316 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:10:32am

re: #302 realwest


I'm doing great REALWEST. Spend the day with my boys watching car racing and spoke ith my stepbrother who turned 68 on Saturday.

317 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:11:07am

re: #305 DistantThunder

Me too!

318 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:11:10am

re: #311 HDrepub

Thanks.
Clearly, I need to convert my pellet stove into a manure stove.

319 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:12:10am

Yesterday, i took Mr DT on long walk. Putting a picture of Tim Russert next to our treadmill.

Most people really don't believe in their own mortality.

320 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:12:12am

re: #282 WriterMom

GAAAAAA. Lunch with Ezra Levant, dude! Today!

You. Are. Shitting me.

Green with envy.

Please give him our regards. And tell him that Occasional Reader said: His takedown of the smiling Thought Police was one of the most articulate defenses of the concept of free expression that I've ever heard.

321 Thunderbottom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:12:36am

re: #63 slartybartfast

Open Thread? Suggestion:

With the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Guantanamo detainees, I'd suggest that they be distributed throughout the Federal Prison system. I believe there are 16 maximum security Federal facilities (U.S. Penitentiaries) and approximately 270 detainees. That's about 16 detainees/facility. No special treatment...just an orange jumpsuit and a number.

Not enough beds in the Federal facilities? How 'bout expanding this facility (assuming it's still in operation)?

Yah! Send 'em to Sheriff Joe! I can see him handlin' their complaints ("...You guys are Arabs, Afghans, Pakistanis - right? It's hot in those places in the summer, right? And most of you guys live in tents? So, what is the freakin' problem?!") He's already told the convicts there that if American GI's and Marines can stand to live in tents in the summer heat of Iraq, they can stand to live in tents in the summer heat of Arizona.

322 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:13:17am

re: #283 angst

I didn't read the article you were referring to. But in general, I am very skeptical of science or technology reporting in the media. The journalists writing the reports usually have little or no understanding of what they are writing about. They often get the facts wrong or leave out key information that would enable a reader to properly evaluate what they are saying.

You question is an excellent example of the kind of ambiguity these reports have... what does "3 times fuel efficiency" mean? As compared to what? Is that measured in joules, per pounds of fuel, or cost?

323 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:13:36am

re: #316 Dustoff-507
Sounds as if you had a really fine Father's Day and I'm really glad to hear it!
How old are your boys and how many of 'em do you have?
BTW, don't laugh at your stepbrother's turning 68, you ain't all that far away yourself, old-timer! LOL!

324 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:13:40am

re: #289 incanus


Is that in the projects in Southie?... or some of the other nearby communities....Murderpan etc...Blue hill Ave...

325 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:13:54am

re: #310 angst

Politicians need to learn that energy cannot be either destroyed or created, just moved from one form to another. They seem to believe in magic.

Exactly and the use of electricity for heat in making other fuels is a poor transition of energy in my opinion. It takes 9-10000 btus to make a KW which makes 3400 btus of resistance heat.

326 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:01am
327 freetoken  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:03am

Just had an ask for $141.50 on the NYMEX for WTI... we'll see how today's trading ends....

328 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:18am

re: #304 Kenneth

Really! Wow, I would love to go, but alas I have an appointment with "M" at the hospital.

Will "Q" also be there? If so, please see if he'll give me one of those invisible cars.

329 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:27am

re: #317 WriterMom

Me too!

When our school district turned us in to CPS the day AFTER we sent them a letter saying we were Homeschooling. I re-played the levant tapes where he is calling that woman a THUG! Oh, I felt so much better, and wrote a long letter to the Offce of Civil Rights, US Dept. of Education.

330 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:41am

re: #320 Occasional Reader

You. Are. Shitting me.

Green with envy.

Please give him our regards. And tell him that Occasional Reader said: His takedown of the smiling Thought Police was one of the most articulate defenses of the concept of free expression that I've ever heard.

And that he's on the Lizard Prayer List.

331 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:42am

Although the US does still have quite a few M-60 tanks in various reserve stockpiles and several engineering variants can still be found, it is no longer in active US military service.

Officially retired after the Gulf War.

The IDF Magach 7 is the logical and apparently final conclusion of the M-60 Patton series tanks.

END
OF
ERA,
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332 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:14:53am
333 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:15:12am

re: #314 WriterMom

Thanks. I'll send you an email, things have gotten more problematic for M.

I look forward to you report on Ezra's speech. Take a recorder and post a transcript!

334 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:15:22am

re: #321 Thunderbottom

Yah! Send 'em to Sheriff Joe! I can see him handlin' their complaints ("...You guys are Arabs, Afghans, Pakistanis - right? It's hot in those places in the summer, right? And most of you guys live in tents? So, what is the freakin' problem?!") He's already told the convicts there that if American GI's and Marines can stand to live in tents in the summer heat of Iraq, they can stand to live in tents in the summer heat of Arizona.

The guy is brilliant - I'm sure word has gotten around as where NOT to get arrested.

335 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:16:33am

re: #320 Occasional Reader

I am SO NOT shitting you.

I hope to have a chance to introduce myself...I'm going with a major crew of lizards...I may say something to the effect of him having a wide following on LGF, but I think it might sound slightly weird if I say "oh and 'Occasional Reader' asked me to mention that..."

I want to sound relatively normal. LOL. That might be challenging enough, without invoking my online friends.

336 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:16:52am

re: #310 angst

Politicians need to learn that energy cannot be either destroyed or created, just moved from one form to another. They seem to believe in magic.

The Obama is capable of turning water into gasoline. He can raise the dead and litsen to Oprah without getting a head ache.
You must be ready for the New World Order as Barry heals the planet & Michelle heals our souls

337 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:17:28am

re: #102 Endangered in MASS

don't forget the cubbies meltdown in '69 that set the stage for the 'mazing mets

338 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:17:55am

re: #328 Occasional Reader

Pssssst "M" is code for one of the Kenneth kids who is not well....

339 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:17:59am
340 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:18:13am

re: #323 realwest
HAY buddy... I'm still in my 50's bud.. ok more than half way thur.

Gezz Realwast, take away my thunder. LOL

I have two boys. 35 & 30. One granddaughter. 7

341 galloping granny  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:18:14am

re: #329 DistantThunder

When our school district turned us in to CPS the day AFTER we sent them a letter saying we were Homeschooling. I re-played the levant tapes where he is calling that woman a THUG! Oh, I felt so much better, and wrote a long letter to the Offce of Civil Rights, US Dept. of Education.

How is that going?

342 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:18:19am

re: #257 Hard Right

Well, try harder. ;)

I'm trying, but it's hard to influence BIG MURDER CRIME WAVES in small rural towns from a cubicle in New York City.

343 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:18:36am

re: #326 taxfreekiller

Charles

etal posters

not good to have all the eggs in one basket

littlegreenfootballs needs a back up org.

just in case the feds or the A.C.L.U. gets a good first blow
to the back of the head and knocks lfg's off line........

Boy Scout stuff

Did everyone know that in the Philly Boy Scout lease case, the boy scouts had donated that same property to the city decades earlier in exchange for a $1 lease? The city knifed them in the back.

344 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:18:37am

re: #335 WriterMom
" That might be challenging enough, without invoking my online friends."
Oh, so we're good enough to talk to on-line, but you're embarrassed to even MENTION us to other people? Is that what you're saying? Do we amuse you? Are we funny? (channeling Joe Pesci in Goodfellas, sorry 'bout that!)!

345 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:19:33am

re: #331 Render

I liked the "squad phone" right over right rear drive sprocket.

I know why armor guys refer to us Inf types as crunchies....

346 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:19:45am

re: #338 WriterMom

Pssssst "M" is code for one of the Kenneth kids who is not well....

Sorry, I didn't know.

Our thoughts are with your child, Kenneth.

347 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:20:07am

re: #344 realwest

ROFL. That's exactly it. I told zulubaby in Israel that we have to come up with a way better story of 'how we met'. The internet sounds well...kind of lame and weirod.

348 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:20:30am

re: #311 HDrepub

Fuels energy content

Hey! According to that link 3lbs of dung has a greater energy content than a gallon of gasoline - I think we're on to something here!

/Gimme my slide rule...

349 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:21:07am

Did you guys all watch the video from MEMRI with the Israeli scholar smacking down the Al Jazeerah interviewer, in Arabic. I laughed my head off. It was truly amazing.

350 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:21:09am

re: #348 CIA Reject

According to that link 3lbs of dung has a greater energy content than a gallon of gasoline

You. Are. Shitting me.

(it's a pun, see)

351 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:21:55am

re: #348 CIA Reject


Just think with Al Bore out put could be with his dung! LOL

352 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:22:23am

re: #308 opnion

Obama does not have Cosby's cred. Bill Cosby was not whoreing for votes.

Obama is surely whoreing for votes, generally, but not THOSE votes. He's got those votes as a given.

353 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #333 Kenneth Hey Kenneth - prayers going up for your child - and you, too, right now!

354 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:22:55am

re: #322 Kenneth

Science journalists should be scientists, but they seldom are. If they've got special reporters for sports, you'd think they'd want to have more focused reporting on science, considering the impact it has on all of us.

355 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:23:04am

re: #348 CIA Reject

Hey! According to that link 3lbs of dung has a greater energy content than a gallon of gasoline - I think we're on to something here!

/Gimme my slide rule...

Then Congress alone could join OPEC. And no doubt they'd package their 3 lbs of dung in 2 lb sacks.

356 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:23:23am

re: #337 Mr Spiffy

don't forget the cubbies meltdown in '69 that set the stage for the 'mazing mets


The Cubs have an intersting if odd history.
Babe Ruth hit the homer for the dying boy against the Cubs.
Years later the Cubs wanted to build mystique, so they sent slugger Dave Kingman to a hospital to promise a dying little boy a home run.
Cubs announcers relayed the story & the boy's name.
Problem, that is when the kid found out that he was terminal.
I could not make that up

357 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:23:38am

Holy fucking I-can't-believe-Germany-is-hosting-this alert:

Germany To Host Conference in Support of PA Armed Forces.

Is anyone else shuddering?

358 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:23:47am

re: #341 galloping granny

How is that going?

I received an email from an attorney form the New york office who said they are reviewing it to see if it is applicable to their mission, which is the first step. She asked if he had a 504 or an IEP - I told her no, he was a straight A student with no problems - perfect attendance through 4th grade - even won an award. But he had developed all the attributes of depression when the teacher literally created "learned helplessness" in him when he couldn't make her stop yelling even though he was still getting straight A's.

Toxic teacher. There is a man named Marvin Marshall who trains schools and teachers in classroom management. He says that a huge part of the drop out rate is teacher mishandling misbehaving students in the class - and then the classroom is miserable for everyone.

If the public could see what goes on in some classrooms, those public schools would be shut down.

359 songbird  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:23:54am

re: #349 WriterMom

Did you guys all watch the video from MEMRI with the Israeli scholar smacking down the Al Jazeerah interviewer, in Arabic. I laughed my head off. It was truly amazing.

do you have the link?

360 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:24:00am

re: #210 Pullus Iulius

I used to sell industrial gases, and back in those days hydrogen was a by-product gas. We would contract for a portion of a plant's waste stream, package it, distribute it, and cackle as we counted our cash. The biggest hassle (and safety risk) was the storage method: high pressure cylinders. Puncture a 2400 psi hydrogen cylinder and a fire will be the least of your worries. If the hybrid's hydrogen comes from cracking a relatively stable feedstock like methane, or is stored in lithium hydride form, this thing could workable. Spacecraft use HP or liquid hydrogen, of course, but spacecraft encounter few intersections.

The cylinders are pretty tough. I run propane venicles, and scarry to say, we land on the tanks fairly often. I have never damaged one yet. Guys from Schwans tell me they are darn near indestructible.

361 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:24:23am

re: #352 funkyfantom

Obama is surely whoreing for votes, generally, but not THOSE votes. He's got those votes as a given.


That's true

362 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:24:46am

re: #349 WriterMom

Did you guys all watch the video from MEMRI with the Israeli scholar smacking down the Al Jazeerah interviewer, in Arabic. I laughed my head off. It was truly amazing.

yeah, I don't get how they claim Jerusalem if it is never mentioned in the Koran. Compare the bible.

363 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:26:19am

Good morning Lizardia. I gather from the news that now it's okay to be a father. About time, I say. And my kids would agree, too.

364 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:26:40am

re: #358 DistantThunder

I received an email from an attorney form the New york office who said they are reviewing it to see if it is applicable to their mission, which is the first step. She asked if he had a 504 or an IEP - I told her no, he was a straight A student with no problems - perfect attendance through 4th grade - even won an award. But he had developed all the attributes of depression when the teacher literally created "learned helplessness" in him when he couldn't make her stop yelling even though he was still getting straight A's.

Toxic teacher. There is a man named Marvin Marshall who trains schools and teachers in classroom management. He says that a huge part of the drop out rate is teacher mishandling misbehaving students in the class - and then the classroom is miserable for everyone.

If the public could see what goes on in some classrooms, those public schools would be shut down.

Those teachers need to be identified, taken out of the class room, then retrained or let go.

I take quiet pride in that fact that my glare gets most kids to straighten up immediately without my having to say a word.

365 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:26:44am

re: #336 opnion

The Obama is capable of turning water into gasoline. He can raise the dead and litsen to Oprah without getting a head ache.
You must be ready for the New World Order as Barry heals the planet & Michelle heals our souls

Oh, silly me. I thought the Dems were the reality-based party. I wish they'd get their story straight.

366 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:26:52am

re: #360 JeremyR


As a person who has seen a fought a propane fire. (car/truck) Their not that bad. Now if you have a tank next to your home.....OOOO-Gezzz that's another story.

367 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:27:31am

re: #359 songbird

LINKY.

I'm laughing all over. When Keidar says 'the Koran never even mentions Jerusalem-not even once' the guy from Al-Jaz looks like he's going to vomit.

368 Beobachter  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:27:44am

re: #354 angst

Science journalists should be scientists, but they seldom are. If they've got special reporters for sports, you'd think they'd want to have more focused reporting on science, considering the impact it has on all of us.

I agree with that. It is important to realize though that there are two camps in the field of science. One field perpetuates the GW myth, while the other denies it. Which camp do want your science reporter to come from?

369 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:28:34am

I've always said you have a right to free speech, but you do not have a right to be offended.

370 Beobachter  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:28:42am

re: #368 Beobachter

I would wnat mine to come from the latter.

371 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:28:43am

re: #350 Occasional Reader


re: #351 Dustoff-507

The U.S. Congress alone could power the whole country for decades with a single year's output!

Energy Independence - Woo Hoo!

372 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:28:56am

re: #365 angst

Oh, silly me. I thought the Dems were the reality-based party. I wish they'd get their story straight.

No, that was the old party. It is now a New Age movement.

373 bosforus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:29:17am

Morning, everybody!

374 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:29:22am

re: #362 DistantThunder,

They're Mohammedans. Religion of Pillage, and all that. If it's not nailed down, they'll claim it. If it is nailed down, they'll claim it is the XXXXth holiest site in Islam.

And claim it. Thus it is with Jerusalem.

375 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:29:34am

re: #315 HDrepub

Pound for pound H2 packs a much bigger punch than gasoline, but at what cost? It may be more efficient energy wise, but economically wise I don't know.


Once, an energy expert (anyone who knows more than me on subject is an expert, in this case, everyone is an expert) told me that nuclear power plants can produce hydrogen fuel or hydrogen-fuel cells very inexpensively. I don't understand it. Can nuclear plants help us with hydrogen fuel cells? Anyone know?

376 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:29:53am

re: #371 CIA Reject


STOP scaring us. LOL

377 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:29:57am

re: #355 Pullus Iulius
re: #371 CIA Reject

GMTA!

378 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:31:16am

re: #237 OldLineTexan

For the hydrogen fuel stations, would they still use bottles? Wouldn't it be almost necessary to go to bigger containers for storage and transport?

They have double wall tankers that can haul the stuff. Space is filled with CO2. AOX and MSAG both run them.

379 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:31:17am

re: #339 taxfreekiller

the global warming loons will last until $10.00 gal. unless we stomp their lies out of the way

Save gas. Instead of driving around environmentalists, drive through them. Shorter trip, saves gas.

380 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:31:54am

BBC defends Muslim beheading

Exclusive by Derek Robins - BBC bosses have defended the grisly beheading of a Muslim by a Christian zealot in new drama Bonekickers.

In the bloody scene, ex-EastEnder Paul Nicholls plays a fundamentalist who decapitates a Muslim with a sword.

Producer Rhonda Smith said: "It's not meant to be shocking or to cause offence and it comes very much from the storyline."

Boker effen Tov.

381 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:32:14am

re: #281 realwest

"Sounds like he could he could have had a BIG future as a Dem congressman."
There, fixed that for you!
LOL!

He could have been huge. (snicker)

382 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:32:52am

re: #380 Ben Hur

BBC defends Muslim beheading

Boker effen Tov.

Because we know that this inspired by real stories...

383 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:33:23am

re: #345 Endangered in MASS

They just finally got around to "adding" a squad phone to the rear of the Abrams - It's part of the TUSK upgrade package.

Yet another example of "everything we learn in war, we forget in peace and have to re-learn all over again."

Now if we can just convince them to bring back the Model 1911A1 and the M-14 for regular service...

OLD
NEWNESS,
R

384 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:33:27am

re: #358 DistantThunder

I received an email from an attorney form the New york office who said they are reviewing it to see if it is applicable to their mission, which is the first step. She asked if he had a 504 or an IEP - I told her no, he was a straight A student with no problems - perfect attendance through 4th grade - even won an award. But he had developed all the attributes of depression when the teacher literally created "learned helplessness" in him when he couldn't make her stop yelling even though he was still getting straight A's.

Toxic teacher. There is a man named Marvin Marshall who trains schools and teachers in classroom management. He says that a huge part of the drop out rate is teacher mishandling misbehaving students in the class - and then the classroom is miserable for everyone.

If the public could see what goes on in some classrooms, those public schools would be shut down.

A guy from Beloit Kansas does a bit of teacher education, Ron Willis of Green portch swing productions. Quite the fellow.

385 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:33:27am

re: #375 Golem Akbar

Once, an energy expert (anyone who knows more than me on subject is an expert, in this case, everyone is an expert) told me that nuclear power plants can produce hydrogen fuel or hydrogen-fuel cells very inexpensively. I don't understand it. Can nuclear plants help us with hydrogen fuel cells? Anyone know?

Nuclear power is the only economic source of hydrogen, making it by electrolyzing sea water. Still, it is extremely inefficient, but batteries are too large and bulky to give cars much of a driving range.
(National Academy of Engineering study done a few years ago)

386 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:33:49am

re: #380 Ben Hur,

Don't they have that kind of backwards...

387 realwest  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:34:10am

Well y'all I gotta run to my appointment - hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

388 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:34:27am

re: #337 Mr Spiffy

The Melts choked on jello last year....

389 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:34:50am

re: #387 realwest

Well y'all I gotta run to my appointment - hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

{realwest}

Prayers...

390 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:35:14am

In the late 1990s Gore and his minion were telling us that gasoline is too inexpensive. That the price of gas needs to be around $5.00 a gallon, or more, in order to force people to look to fuel alternatives. And if Gore became president, he would happily raise the price of fuel.

Democrats should be happy gas is so expensive, these days. This is what they want. No wonder they oppose all drilling and new well exporation.

391 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:35:33am

re: #374 Iron Fist

,

They're Mohammedans. Religion of Pillage, and all that. If it's not nailed down, they'll claim it. If it is nailed down, they'll claim it is the XXXXth holiest site in Islam.

And claim it. Thus it is with Jerusalem.


That is true. In Islamist circles they are laying a foundation for claim on the U.S. The story goes that Columbus had a Muslim navigator.
That explains how they got lost.

392 akarra  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:35:57am

re: #372 opnion

No, that was the old party. It is now a New Age movement.

Well said.

I'd just add that I've never quite seen a New Age movement as incredibly hostile and self-righteous, but I definitely agree that "New Age" is where their sentiments and goals are.

393 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:36:07am

re: #375 Golem Akbar

Once, an energy expert (anyone who knows more than me on subject is an expert, in this case, everyone is an expert) told me that nuclear power plants can produce hydrogen fuel or hydrogen-fuel cells very inexpensively. I don't understand it. Can nuclear plants help us with hydrogen fuel cells? Anyone know?

In a nut shell, yes. H2 is not a fuel per se, it is a storage medium. We use electricity to do hydrolisis, then store the energy as H2. It is an alternative that converts coal to vehicle fuel. Sure beats driving a Stanley Steamer.

394 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:36:25am

re: #387 realwest

Thoughts and prayers go with you, my friend.
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395 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:36:27am

re: #385 Kosh's Shadow

Nuclear power is the only economic source of hydrogen, making it by electrolyzing sea water. Still, it is extremely inefficient, but batteries are too large and bulky to give cars much of a driving range.
(National Academy of Engineering study done a few years ago)


Does it have any potential for being cheaper, more efficient, with longer range?

396 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:36:40am

re: #375 Golem Akbar

Once, an energy expert (anyone who knows more than me on subject is an expert, in this case, everyone is an expert) told me that nuclear power plants can produce hydrogen fuel or hydrogen-fuel cells very inexpensively. I don't understand it. Can nuclear plants help us with hydrogen fuel cells? Anyone know?

Think in terms of a battery.

Batteries are heavy. Hydrogen, which is the "fuel supply" for a fuel cell stores more energy in less weight than a traditional battery.

So instead of storing the electricity coming out of a Nuke in a battery, you use that electricity to produce hydrogen out of water. Then you put the hydrogen in a tank and use a fuel cell to reverse the process. That is, the hydrogen enters the fuel cell, is combined with oxygen (from the air) and you get water + a little electricity - roughly the same amount that went into creating the hydrogen from water.

Nukes are mentioned because they make electricity in large quantities for cheap, but you could use any source of electricity to create your hydrogen supply.

397 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:36:42am

re: #309 FrogMarch

Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, and the entire left-wing democrat establishment must be SO proud:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

And did you notice how Gonzalez is characterized--"Cuban young militant"? Just like those militants blowing up folks elsewhere in the world.

398 Endangered in MASS  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:37:05am

re: #383 Render

Did the M-2 see action in WWI. Amazing piece of equipment still in service...


Is the M-60 considered a Patton?.. I thought that was the M-48?

399 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:37:22am

re: #379 Kosh's Shadow

Save gas. Instead of driving around environmentalists, drive through them. Shorter trip, saves gas.

But its hard on tires and paint. Besides, the SMELL is aweful in the middle of the crowd.

400 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:37:37am

Realwest.

Take care buddy!

401 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:37:49am

Nice...

I just had a pair of 14 year old kids tell me they were taught that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.

I'd stick my head in the oven, but it's electric...

WE'RE
DOOMED,
R

402 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:37:51am

re: #392 akarra

Well said.

I'd just add that I've never quite seen a New Age movement as incredibly hostile and self-righteous, but I definitely agree that "New Age" is where their sentiments and goals are.


Yeah, the nude dancers around the vortex in Sedona are not trying to take over anything.

403 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:38:51am

re: #362 DistantThunder

yeah, I don't get how they claim Jerusalem if it is never mentioned in the Koran. Compare the bible.

My office toilet isn't mentioned in the Koran, but for some reason, it is the 2,300,562nd holiest place in Islam.

Go figure.
/

404 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:39:32am

re: #376 Dustoff-507

STOP scaring us. LOL

Heh- Not only that, but a gallon of gas weighs between 5.5lbs and 6.5lbs. So we can realize a 50% weight savings with manure - aerospace applications anyone?

///////////////////////////////////

405 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:39:35am

re: #358 DistantThunder

DT, I feel for you. I had a bright kid whom I pulled out of school in 4-5th grade for the very same reason. Fortunately, our state supports homeschooling fairly well, i.e. they stay out of the way.

Unfortunately, teachers do not recognize that very bright kids are at risk the same as kids who have difficulties learning. Once we homeschooled our child we were able to get him off all the drugs and now he is doing well in high school where things are more challenging, though he is still high maintenance.

406 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #390 Golem Akbar

In the late 1990s Gore and his minion were telling us that gasoline is too inexpensive. That the price of gas needs to be around $5.00 a gallon, or more, in order to force people to look to fuel alternatives. And if Gore became president, he would happily raise the price of fuel.

Democrats should be happy gas is so expensive, these days. This is what they want. No wonder they oppose all drilling and new well exporation.

That's what I've been telling people. Maybe they will listen now that gas is so expensive. The side benefit for the Dems is that they get to blame the Reps for the problem.

407 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:40:08am

re: #380 Ben Hur

BBC defends Muslim beheading


Boker effen Tov.

Because that's what's happening all over the world, and we need to get the word out.

/

408 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:41:19am

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Thanks. No offense taken.

409 angst  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:41:38am

re: #368 Beobachter

I agree with that. It is important to realize though that there are two camps in the field of science. One field perpetuates the GW myth, while the other denies it. Which camp do want your science reporter to come from?

Perpetuates or denies? Hmmm. How about I say there might be global warming but I am not convinced it's man-made. Got a reporter like that? I tend to take the long view of things. Geologic time is very long, indeed.

Gotta run, lizards. Nice chat!

410 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:41:53am

re: #398 Endangered in MASS

Did the M-2 see action in WWI. Amazing piece of equipment still in service...


Is the M-60 considered a Patton?.. I thought that was the M-48?

The M-2 was invented near the end of the war. It, like the BAR was held back for fear our enemies would gain tech if they captured one. As to the M-60, we called it a Patton since it was largely the same tank just much improved on the M-48 A5.

411 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:43:07am

New thread? Come on, feed the lizards. :)

412 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #401 Render

Nice...

I just had a pair of 14 year old kids tell me they were taught that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.

I'd stick my head in the oven, but it's electric...

WE'RE
DOOMED,
R

The wacky left is starting to sound a lot like the Islamists who claim Columbus had a muslim navigator, and try to claim they did something first.

/If you didn't actually, do it, rewrite history to make sure you did.

413 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:44:05am

Well, off to play for the day. need to get a floor laid in an apartment. I will be going to Hot Springs SD for a few day. have fun everyone and be safe.

414 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:45:07am

re: #353 realwest

Thanks real! Your kindness is much appreciated.

415 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:45:15am

re: #412 Honorary Yooper

The wacky left is starting to sound a lot like the Islamists who claim Columbus had a muslim navigator, and try to claim they did something first.

/If you didn't actually, do it, rewrite history to make sure you did.

Columbus may have had a Muslime navigator. He was looking for India and got misled. ;-)

416 bosforus  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:45:19am

re: #411 Hard Right

New thread? Come on, feed the lizards. :)

It's 7:45 in the home of the lizard. If I were him, and I ran this blog, the east coast wouldn't see the first new thread of the day until 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon.

417 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:45:45am

re: #406 Hard Right

That's what I've been telling people. Maybe they will listen now that gas is so expensive. The side benefit for the Dems is that they get to blame the Reps for the problem.


One the one hand, I agree with them that we ought to find other fuel sources. But never at the expense of our freedoms. I'd like to see incentives for R & D, maybe like tax breaks for energy research, but we still need to drill and keep gas costs down. If the US goes into a recession over energy costs, then the whole world gets hurt because of it.

When economic recessions hit 3rd world countries, fascists take advantage of that unrest and fragile democracies are endangered.

liberal democrats rarely think of the consequences of their radical actions.

418 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:46:03am

Yesterday I saw a moonbat bumper sticker collage pass me on the road.

There was all sorts of advice on the back of that car including a new one I had yet to see : "Boycott Veal!"

My wife and I got to talking - aren't cows a big source of methane and thereby a big source of "greenhouse" gases? If so, we are doing environmentalists and moonbats throughout Gaia a great favor by eating cows before they fart us into an unprecedented eco-disaster!

Save the planet - EAT VEAL!

419 opnion  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:46:07am

re: #403 Honorary Yooper

My office toilet isn't mentioned in the Koran, but for some reason, it is the 2,300,562nd holiest place in Islam.

Go figure.
/

Lost suras of the Koran have been discovered. These new suras abrogate all other passages.
Muslims are commanded to move to the north Pole and become polar Bear herders. It's true, yeah thats the ticket

420 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:46:08am

re: #410 JeremyR

The M-2 was invented near the end of the war. It, like the BAR was held back for fear our enemies would gain tech if they captured one.

Those two, plus the M1911 were WAY ahead of their time.

What I've never understood is why, with the advantage of a box-magazine-fed automatic rifle already demonstrated by the BAR, our troops didn't enter WWII already armed with something like the M-14!

421 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:46:17am

re: #403 Honorary Yooper

I'd sure hate to have a toilet that wasn't (w)holy! The backup would be kind of, well, Islamic.
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422 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:47:11am

re: #398 Endangered in MASS

The Patton series were the M-46, M-47, M-48, and M-60. The M-45 and M-26 were Pershing series.

The first M-1 (light tank) and its sister the M-2 series were 1930's designs.

Patton commanded one of the handful of US tank units in WW1 - They used French made FT-17's.

George was reportedly very unhappy with them at the time...

NO TIME
FOR DIGGING,
R

423 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:49:18am

re: #383 Render

Now if we can just convince them to bring back the Model 1911A1

To a limited degree, they have; I know USMC Special Operations uses a Kimber M1911.

424 funkyfantom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:49:43am

re: #380 Ben Hur

BBC defends Muslim beheading

Boker effen Tov.

Right, the BBC wants people to think that Christians are going around beheading Muslims, not the other way around.

425 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:50:24am

re: #420 Occasional Reader

Those two, plus the M1911 were WAY ahead of their time.

What I've never understood is why, with the advantage of a box-magazine-fed automatic rifle already demonstrated by the BAR, our troops didn't enter WWII already armed with something like the M-14!

I'm no historian of armaments, but if you look at a Garand rifle, even if it's out of ammo, jammed, or otherwise incapacitated as a firearm it's still one dandy club. Just a thought- maybe somebody more knowledgeable has the real scoop...

426 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:52:17am

re: #425 CIA Reject

but if you look at a Garand rifle

Don't get me wrong, the Garand was a great rifle, but I'm surprised they took a step back (so to speak) in designing it as a clip-fed, semi-auto-only weapon. Applying the principles of the BAR to the thing, and you get the M-14, which indeed is what eventually happened.

427 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:52:27am

re: #362 DistantThunder

The Muslim claim on Jerusalem is based on a false reading of Mohammed's Night Flight. In the Koran there is mention of a dream in which he flew on a magic horse from Mecca to "the further mosque", and then up to Paradise, where he was given a guided tour of the facilities. This "dream" is given further comment in the Hadiths, but the location of the "further mosque" is not given. Some 80 years after Mohammed's death, the Caliph Malik built a mosque in conquered Jerusalem and called it "Al Aqsa Mosque" or "the further mosque". Malik then had a Hadith added which identifies this as the mosque in the night flight. The whole thing is a bloody fraud and a foundation of the replacement theology.

428 Render  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:52:45am

re: #420 Occasional Reader

Because the rotary magazine Johnson rifle wasn't a big enough improvement over the Garand.

That and it was a POS in field service. So said the Marines who were issued Johnsons.

MARINE
RAIDERS,
R

429 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:52:53am

re: #405 angst

DT, I feel for you. I had a bright kid whom I pulled out of school in 4-5th grade for the very same reason. Fortunately, our state supports homeschooling fairly well, i.e. they stay out of the way.

Unfortunately, teachers do not recognize that very bright kids are at risk the same as kids who have difficulties learning. Once we homeschooled our child we were able to get him off all the drugs and now he is doing well in high school where things are more challenging, though he is still high maintenance.

Mine is gifted too and intense and high maintenance - but he inherited his intellectual heft from his grandfather who mentored Phil Farnsworth in the development of television.

430 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:53:29am
431 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 16, 2008 7:54:12am