VDH is great

Pat Bu is a stinker.

Period.

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

Does he at least get to wear one of those medieval jester hats with three little bells on the peaks?

Link kludged Charles? Because of the hyphen.

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Charles, as of 12:26pm, the linky no worky.

Buch should just go away He is not relevant.

Pat - Don't know much about history...

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Pat Buchanan: neocons = Jews. He's said it many times before.

"Dance, Victor, dance! Sing for us a tale of neo-conservatism! Tell us of the evil Teutonic overlord! And you, wench -- bring me some more mead!"

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.

My first indication that maybe, just maybe, Obama will not be President.

Not only the linky no worky..... but I noticed on your spinoff link list on the main page that the hover for the description of the link gets put down in the z-index below the ad, if it's an animated ad.

Running firefox 2 on XP

On topic, Buchanan, Wright, and David Duke should all hitch up together.

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Please leave history to the historians.

For those of you who read it, you get to see what happens when a sober, erudite, and measured intellect takes on a hateful, ignorant simpleton--the results are devastating to the latter.

Pat Buchanan always gets fiesty if he's not appeased before bedtime.

Linky broken, CHaarles. But then, I don't have to read VDH's article to realize that Buchanan is a total RINO and @$$-kisser.

JAFLW

/we is vewwy well twained lizards, we is!

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

I'm wondering why there are so many ad hominem attacks against Buchannan when the link doesn't work and obviously the story has not be read. I'm sure I'll dinged badly for that one.

Patrick Von Buchanan.

re: #18 Charles

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

That too.

re: #12 Vanceone

Not only the linky no worky..... but I noticed on your spinoff link list on the main page that the hover for the description of the link gets put down in the z-index below the ad, if it's an animated ad.

Running firefox 2 on XP

On topic, Buchanan, Wright, and David Duke should all hitch up together.

Can't help that. The ads are setting the highest possible z-index; it's annoying, I know, but out of my control.

When I first heard him expressing these views I was astonished. I was vaguely aware of him as a conservative, and couldn't believe that a so called conservative would express such idiotic views.

Whatever you can say about WWII, it was a good thing that it was fought. The only thing bad about the outcome is the growth of Soviet Union, every bit as bad as the Nazis.

Evil must be opposed.

I am now learning a little about Buchannon, and I don't like him.

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

Whose more to the extreme?

Pat or Barry?

re: #18 Charles

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

Nobody could fix that character.

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

He wishes the two teams would merge.

/anschluss

The focus of “The Unnecessary War” is on the colossal blunders by British statesmen that reduced Britain from the greatest empire since Rome into an island dependency of the United States in three decades. It is a cautionary tale, written for America, which is treading the same path Britain trod in the early 20th century.

Buchanan is the darling of the MSM and is held up as a "good conservative" for ideas such as this.

Just think how much better off Europe would have been if we had never challenged the Nazis with our neo-conservative warmongering!

No cripples, no ho-mo-sexuals, no Jews, no Gyspies, no rebels -- no untermenschen of any kind! A true wonderland. And we wouldn't have to be bothered with French culture or Dutch culture or Polish culture -- they'd all be Germanified! Such a neat and tidy continent it would have been.

Damn you Churchill! Damn you to hell!

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

/The Fatherland.

Does he write about Japan in his book?

I'm not sure who runs Buchanan's blog (www.buchanan.org/blog), but I assume it's someone close to him. I was just looking at some of the postings. Predictably, most are about a few select pet topics. Here's a chamer:
Obama's Israeli Connection

And an obsession with the USS Liberty that's very prevalent on the neonazi side of the ledger.
USS Liberty — New Revelations in Attack on American Spy Ship

Here's a choice quote from Pat that's featured on the masthead: "Neoconservatives are the boat people of the McGovern revolution.
-- Where the Right Went Wrong" Nice.

There's so much, including the usual despicable articles from Raimondo and Paul Craig Roberts.

re: #9 Golem Akbar

Pat Buchanan: neocons = Jews. He's said it many times before.

Yep, and not just Pat. Most of the early Leftist critics, the ones who originally made it a slur, saw it the same way.

re: #23 Johnny 100 Pesos

When I first heard him expressing these views I was astonished. I was vaguely aware of him as a conservative, and couldn't believe that a so called conservative would express such idiotic views.
[...]
I am now learning a little about Buchannon, and I don't like him.

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I note the difference between conservatives and Liberals here: Buchanan is for the most part rather widely thought out of the mainstream; as is Duke when he tried to be a Republican. Liberals support their racists like Jesse Jackson and Jeremiah Wright until it just doesn't fly politically--but even then "black liberation theology" and anti-semetism dressed up as anti-Israeli sentiment is widely promoted and acceptable.

I hear that anti-Semetism is so allegedly rampant on the right, but where? Stormfront, etc all seem to be more libertarian than anything, and even then they seem to be rapidly transitioning to the Left if they were ever on the right to begin with.

Oh, and thanks for the explanation Charles!

I read the article this morning and I have to say that I trust VDH grasp of history more than Buchanan's. VDH pwned that paleo anti-Semite to such a degree that it was kind of embarrassing. Makes me want to go back to reading A War Like No Other. Gonna have to start over again. I have a nasty habit of starting a book, then start reading another. And another and another...

re: #34 dreaboi

By Thalif Deen at the United Nations
The Sunday Times Online

NEW YORK - It’s an axiom in American politics that if you publicly criticize Israel or openly support the Palestinians, you are politically doomed either way. And this is more so in a presidential election year, where all candidates aspire to be more pro-Israeli than all of the inhabitants of Israel put together.

What an ass.

Court historian of the neo-cons sure beats being Court historian of the Neo-Nazis like Pat

re: #37 addison

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I wanted to highlight that.

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

Well, he's no longer a Republican, and (most of) the GOP is fine with that.

I finally read the corrected link and saw VDH's devastating fisking of Pat Bu.

Ouch ouch ouch.

I wouldn't want to be be Pat right about now.

Actually, i wouldn't want to be Pat ever, for that matter.

Hanson has a wonderful way of nailing down the end of his response:
"I stand by everything I wrote about Patrick J. Buchanan’s book, and find his latest effort further confirmation of his delusional views about both past and present."

re: #31 mama winger

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

Thank you.

the court historian of the neoconservatives

Shabbat Monkey.

Does neoconservative mean Jooo when Pat says it?

/real question, just checking

Buchanan will ally with anyone to advance his interests, something he demonstrated when he hijacked the Reform Party and then when he turned into the Anti-War pundit

he'll play at being an American conservative so long as it gets him ahead, in reality his politics are self-centered and generally fall on the direction of personal profit, as examining some of the stuff involving him and his sister Kay around his hollow presidential campaigns testifies

re: #48 OldLineTexan

Does neoconservative mean Jooo when Pat says it?

/real question, just checking

Likely.

Book selling.
He sells books.
Its about book sales.
Books for sale by Pat.

thats all

Money Quote:

PJB in ital) {VDH in Brac}

Where was Hitler born?
“At Versailles,” replied Lady Astor.

[Buchanan’s citation of the quip of the aristocratic hostess Nancy Witcher Langhorne as an authority on Versailles is revealing and gives his game away—a woman known for her virulent anti-Semitism, pro-Hitler appeasement, and close correspondence with another kindred soul in Ambassador Joseph Kenney. Her slurs about Czechoslovakian refugees, prejudice toward Catholics, lunatic pronouncements on slavery and blacks, and reprehensible slanders of British soldiers proved her to be unhinged—but apparently earns a citation of wisdom from Buchanan.]

Outstanding! We've been calling Pukecannon a Nazi for a while. Nice to know that VDH is essentially in agreement. There's many ways to make the case for isolationism (none good though) that do not involve the effort to rehabilitate Hitler.

Da Bears Jews

re: #51 taxfreekiller

Book selling.
He sells books.
Its about book sales.
Books for sale by Pat.

thats all

His first book, the autobiographical Pat the Bunny, has sold very well for years.

re: #11 kansas

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.

My first indication that maybe, just maybe, Obama will not be President.

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Al Gore thought Howard Dean was the man in 2004~ Yeargghhhh!

re: #38 vanceone

I hear that anti-Semetism is so allegedly rampant on the right, but where? Stormfront, etc all seem to be more libertarian than anything, and even then they seem to be rapidly transitioning to the Left if they were ever on the right to begin with.

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

re: #11 kansas

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.
blockquote>

Drive him over there and get him a discount on a group tour?

re: #30 zombie

Gawd - that description has made me feel totally nauseated.

re: #37 addison

One thing that I am trying to do is wean myself off from thinking in terms of right and left, conservative and liberal, since I find that I am a mixture of the two, and I have been recently accused of being on both sides of the spectrum.

Read the link. Beginnng to see why Buchanan is despised. However, I think when a thread comes up about him it's Kos-Like to see who can be the first to call him a Nazi.

re: #54 OldLineTexan

His first book, the autobiographical Pat the Bunny, has sold very well for years.

Hey, my kids loved Pat The Bunny.

Can I trade Pat for a used puck bag?

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Patrick Von Buchanan.

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Pssst, he drove his Mercedes Benz to an United Auto Workers rally once, when Buchanan was running for president. Bwahahah

re: #11 kansas

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

re: #30 zombie

Just think how much better off Europe would have been if we had never challenged the Nazis with our neo-conservative warmongering!

No cripples, no ho-mo-sexuals, no Jews, no Gyspies, no rebels -- no untermenschen of any kind! A true wonderland. And we wouldn't have to be bothered with French culture or Dutch culture or Polish culture -- they'd all be Germanified! Such a neat and tidy continent it would have been.

Damn you Churchill! Damn you to hell!

Channeling the Puke-Cannon, I see.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

And he is super-serial about it.

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

Better than being the court historian of Nazi-symapthizers.

re: #60 kansas

Read the link. Beginning to see why Buchanan is despised. However, I think when a thread comes up about him it's Kos-Like to see who can be the first to call him a Nazi.

I don't think he's a Nazi, just a sympathizer who's finally coming out of the closet about it.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

Hey, didn't he win the popular vote, or something? In his mind he wasn't rejected.

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

Rocco has a one shot lead going to the 18th hole, a par 5.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

I thought he was getting that with his global warming scam.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

He sold BHO the carbon credits that absolve the bus of all sin against Gaia.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

I think he's gotten too big to fit under there.

His swelled head, anyway.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

The nation didn't reject Gore. The republicans stole the election. But fooling little old Floridian Gore supporters into voting for Buchanon, of all people.

(I think...it was Buchy on those ballots, if I recall)

OT - Charles or better yet, Stinky, please review the links for anti-idiotarians? Several links fall in the "linky no worky" class.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

Ne, he figures he would be too BIG to fit under there.

re: #31 mama winger

OK Mama

But where I live, North Cal, the best I can do is centrist

It means the same thing, I think.

Also, "traditionalist" is a useful word here.

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

They certainly aren't conservative in the sense of wanting to conserve America's Constitution and foundational values. They are progressive movements, IMO, that seek a radical transformation of the American system in favor of a new ideology. In that sense, it would be more proper to call them LEFT-wing!

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

Ideologically true, but in practice, they probably vote more Republican than Democrat.

There are lunatics at both ends of the political spectrum. With respect to political parties, the relevant question is to what extent are the lunatic extremists "mainstream" within the party, and to what extend do they have control.

I think its crystal clear that the most extreme leftmost part of the spectrum has considerable influence over the Democrats. Some examples would be the choice of Pelosi as Speaker of the House, and of Obama as the US Presidential candidate. The "moderate" Democrats aren't running the show.

This is simply not true among the Republicans, where the extreme right (including Buchanan) have been marginalized. Say what you want about McCain, but he's nowhere near that lunatic right extreme.

re: #69 brainwizard73

Hey, didn't he win the popular vote, or something? In his mind he wasn't rejected.

It's sad when a former Vice President of the United States forgets about that whole Constitution/Electoral College thing.

And it's sadder still that the one moment in the post-election controversy when he behaved like a gentleman has been buried under the manure of a subsequent seven and a half year tantrum.

re: #73 OldLineTexan

He sold BHO the carbon credits that absolve the bus of all sin against Gaia.

BHO doesn't need carbon credits. The sheer force of his personality as the Messiah absolves him of all sin.

/*barf*

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

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Just because one person is twisted, it doesn't mean all Republicans or conservative minded people or foreign policy hawks agree with Buchanan.

re: #37 addison

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I agree. During the Clinton years, with Fox News ascendent, conservatives needed articulate reasoned conservative voices. I guess Pat B fit that bill for a time. No one on the right cared to question him about anything because at least he was a conservative who could stick it to libs upon occasion. Now the bats are overflowing the belfry and conservatives seem completely confused.

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

re: #77 Beobachter

Now, is that what you call bringing change and a new tone to politics?

Someone ask the Shrew if Barack will let us be chubby...

re: #78 Ojoe

"traditionalist" is a useful word here.

YES ! I often describe myself as a traditionalist.

These labels interfere with understanding more than they enhance it sometimes. :)

re: #68 Spiny Norman

Not just sympathiser, coming out of the closet.
He's worse than that.
While he's obviously not goose-stepping about in jackboots, he is preparing the way for others: he makes it ok to think, talk and write about Nazis and their ideology.
He makes it ok to be, ever so fastitiously, properly anti-semitic.
He is an enabler.

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

re: #76 Conservative in Liberal Hands

OT - Charles or better yet, Stinky, please review the links for anti-idiotarians? Several links fall in the "linky no worky" class.

I think they may be too busy to get to that anytime soon. Best if we report the ex-parrots to them ourselves.

Bring out your dead! ::clang::

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

Looks like yesterday all over again ......

re: #90 Ben Hur

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

When it was held in Nuremberg.

re: #86 Nevergiveup

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

In the bunker, the sandy bunker
The Tiger wins tonight

re: #86 Nevergiveup

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

Oh man!

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Bullseye. Instead of using the situation to forge himself as one of the great men of American politics for grace and sacrifice for nation, he took the low road and now is stuck hob-nobbing with a bunch of Hollywood types---which doesn't help his waist line or his carbon footprint.

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

re: #87 brainwizard73

Now, is that what you call bringing change and a new tone to politics?

Someone ask the Shrew if Barack will let us be chubby...

Yes, that' Obama's kind of change. If someone becomes a liability under the bus he / she goes.

re: #88 mama winger

YES ! I often describe myself as a traditionalist.

These labels interfere with understanding more than they enhance it sometimes. :)

Why, without tradition, we would be as wobbly as a fiddler on the roof.

/Pat must hate that show

come on Rocco!

re: #80 looking closely

Worst of all, the Democrats do not vociferously denounce their fringe supporters the way Republicans do.

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

It's sad when a former Vice President of the United States forgets about that whole Constitution/Electoral College thing.

I'm pretty sure he flunked that class in divinity school. That's when he read part of an article about global warming and misunderstood it.

They interrupted the golf here in NYC for a tornado warning?

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

That's what bugs me. To the MSM, he's never been on the fringe.

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

re: #37 addison

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

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Exactly, Buchanan's now the left's favorite go-to, willing, available-for-a-buck freak show "conservative" used to caricature and ridicule people the left considers freakish & wrong.

re: #96 brainwizard73

Bullseye. Instead of using the situation to forge himself as one of the great men of American politics for grace and sacrifice for nation, he took the low road and now is stuck hob-nobbing with a bunch of Hollywood types---which doesn't help his waist line or his carbon footprint.

When Algore lost his bid to rule America, he decided to take his campaign on the road and go for the whole "rule the world' thing. That's the GLOBAL in global warming. He now belongs to the Planet.

Unfortunately, the Planet doesn't get a vote.

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

Have they ever really asked Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson any questions?

re: #101 wolfie

Because the media gives them a virtual pass.

Otherwise, they would feel heat and do it.

Germay 1 - Austria 0.

Ballak '49

re: #97 Charles

I've heard Buchanan on M. Savage's radio show too, but lately I think M. Savage has gone off some kind of deep end.

He's a professional grouch at the very least and ultimately negativity does not lead anywhere good.

re: #100 sadhu

come on Rocco!

BOO! HISS!
;-p

re: #79 wolfie

They certainly aren't conservative in the sense of wanting to conserve America's Constitution and foundational values. They are progressive movements, IMO, that seek a radical transformation of the American system in favor of a new ideology. In that sense, it would be more proper to call them LEFT-wing!

Absolutely.

re: #80 looking closely

Ideologically true, but in practice, they probably vote more Republican than Democrat.

I'm not so sure. They will go for the "Populist" who is, historically speaking, far more likely to be a Democrat.

re: #84 alegrias

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Just because one person is twisted, it doesn't mean all Republicans or conservative minded people or foreign policy hawks agree with Buchanan.

You could substitute "any more than a tiny fringe of" for "all" there.

Walked by a TV here at work with CNN on. They had a charming story about little Elian Gonzales joining the communist youth in Cuba. The story was factually correct, but the tone was crazy. It was a like a Nickelodeon segment on this cute little boy coming of age. It's amazing how clueless some people are.

They talked his close relationship to uncle Fidel. And hinted that someday he may be in power in Cuba.

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

What you see in these groups is the intersection of far right and far left -- the wraparound effect. I'd guess that most neo-Nazi haters actually do think of themselves as "right wing." Leftists are objects of extreme derision in these groups. But there's more in common between them than they'll ever admit.

It's all about the hate.

re: #91 Spiny Norman

I have been an patiently checking links and reporting them.

re: #107 mama winger

If he belongs to the planet, can he just stay there...you know, on the planet?

re: #31 mama winger

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

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Buchanan's horrible speech at the 1992 Republican convention is also considered to have been SUCH a TURNOFF to normal people of good will, it helped Clinton/Gore win that general election.

re: #108 OldLineTexan

Have they ever really asked Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson any questions?

Sure, all the corporations ask them how much money they want to shut up and go away.