VDH is great

Pat Bu is a stinker.

Period.

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

Does he at least get to wear one of those medieval jester hats with three little bells on the peaks?

Link kludged Charles? Because of the hyphen.

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Charles, as of 12:26pm, the linky no worky.

Buch should just go away He is not relevant.

Pat - Don't know much about history...

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Pat Buchanan: neocons = Jews. He's said it many times before.

"Dance, Victor, dance! Sing for us a tale of neo-conservatism! Tell us of the evil Teutonic overlord! And you, wench -- bring me some more mead!"

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.

My first indication that maybe, just maybe, Obama will not be President.

Not only the linky no worky..... but I noticed on your spinoff link list on the main page that the hover for the description of the link gets put down in the z-index below the ad, if it's an animated ad.

Running firefox 2 on XP

On topic, Buchanan, Wright, and David Duke should all hitch up together.

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Please leave history to the historians.

For those of you who read it, you get to see what happens when a sober, erudite, and measured intellect takes on a hateful, ignorant simpleton--the results are devastating to the latter.

Pat Buchanan always gets fiesty if he's not appeased before bedtime.

Linky broken, CHaarles. But then, I don't have to read VDH's article to realize that Buchanan is a total RINO and @$$-kisser.

JAFLW

/we is vewwy well twained lizards, we is!

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

I'm wondering why there are so many ad hominem attacks against Buchannan when the link doesn't work and obviously the story has not be read. I'm sure I'll dinged badly for that one.

Patrick Von Buchanan.

re: #18 Charles

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

That too.

re: #12 Vanceone

Not only the linky no worky..... but I noticed on your spinoff link list on the main page that the hover for the description of the link gets put down in the z-index below the ad, if it's an animated ad.

Running firefox 2 on XP

On topic, Buchanan, Wright, and David Duke should all hitch up together.

Can't help that. The ads are setting the highest possible z-index; it's annoying, I know, but out of my control.

When I first heard him expressing these views I was astonished. I was vaguely aware of him as a conservative, and couldn't believe that a so called conservative would express such idiotic views.

Whatever you can say about WWII, it was a good thing that it was fought. The only thing bad about the outcome is the growth of Soviet Union, every bit as bad as the Nazis.

Evil must be opposed.

I am now learning a little about Buchannon, and I don't like him.

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

Whose more to the extreme?

Pat or Barry?

re: #18 Charles

Bad character in the link now fixed. (No, I'm not talking about Buchanan...)

Nobody could fix that character.

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

He wishes the two teams would merge.

/anschluss

The focus of “The Unnecessary War” is on the colossal blunders by British statesmen that reduced Britain from the greatest empire since Rome into an island dependency of the United States in three decades. It is a cautionary tale, written for America, which is treading the same path Britain trod in the early 20th century.

Buchanan is the darling of the MSM and is held up as a "good conservative" for ideas such as this.

Just think how much better off Europe would have been if we had never challenged the Nazis with our neo-conservative warmongering!

No cripples, no ho-mo-sexuals, no Jews, no Gyspies, no rebels -- no untermenschen of any kind! A true wonderland. And we wouldn't have to be bothered with French culture or Dutch culture or Polish culture -- they'd all be Germanified! Such a neat and tidy continent it would have been.

Damn you Churchill! Damn you to hell!

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Euro 08

Germany vs Austria.

Wonder who Pat is supporting.

/The Fatherland.

Does he write about Japan in his book?

I'm not sure who runs Buchanan's blog (www.buchanan.org/blog), but I assume it's someone close to him. I was just looking at some of the postings. Predictably, most are about a few select pet topics. Here's a chamer:
Obama's Israeli Connection

And an obsession with the USS Liberty that's very prevalent on the neonazi side of the ledger.
USS Liberty — New Revelations in Attack on American Spy Ship

Here's a choice quote from Pat that's featured on the masthead: "Neoconservatives are the boat people of the McGovern revolution.
-- Where the Right Went Wrong" Nice.

There's so much, including the usual despicable articles from Raimondo and Paul Craig Roberts.

re: #9 Golem Akbar

Pat Buchanan: neocons = Jews. He's said it many times before.

Yep, and not just Pat. Most of the early Leftist critics, the ones who originally made it a slur, saw it the same way.

re: #23 Johnny 100 Pesos

When I first heard him expressing these views I was astonished. I was vaguely aware of him as a conservative, and couldn't believe that a so called conservative would express such idiotic views.
[...]
I am now learning a little about Buchannon, and I don't like him.

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I note the difference between conservatives and Liberals here: Buchanan is for the most part rather widely thought out of the mainstream; as is Duke when he tried to be a Republican. Liberals support their racists like Jesse Jackson and Jeremiah Wright until it just doesn't fly politically--but even then "black liberation theology" and anti-semetism dressed up as anti-Israeli sentiment is widely promoted and acceptable.

I hear that anti-Semetism is so allegedly rampant on the right, but where? Stormfront, etc all seem to be more libertarian than anything, and even then they seem to be rapidly transitioning to the Left if they were ever on the right to begin with.

Oh, and thanks for the explanation Charles!

I read the article this morning and I have to say that I trust VDH grasp of history more than Buchanan's. VDH pwned that paleo anti-Semite to such a degree that it was kind of embarrassing. Makes me want to go back to reading A War Like No Other. Gonna have to start over again. I have a nasty habit of starting a book, then start reading another. And another and another...

re: #34 dreaboi

By Thalif Deen at the United Nations
The Sunday Times Online

NEW YORK - It’s an axiom in American politics that if you publicly criticize Israel or openly support the Palestinians, you are politically doomed either way. And this is more so in a presidential election year, where all candidates aspire to be more pro-Israeli than all of the inhabitants of Israel put together.

What an ass.

Court historian of the neo-cons sure beats being Court historian of the Neo-Nazis like Pat

re: #37 addison

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I wanted to highlight that.

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

Well, he's no longer a Republican, and (most of) the GOP is fine with that.

I finally read the corrected link and saw VDH's devastating fisking of Pat Bu.

Ouch ouch ouch.

I wouldn't want to be be Pat right about now.

Actually, i wouldn't want to be Pat ever, for that matter.

Hanson has a wonderful way of nailing down the end of his response:
"I stand by everything I wrote about Patrick J. Buchanan’s book, and find his latest effort further confirmation of his delusional views about both past and present."

re: #31 mama winger

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

Thank you.

the court historian of the neoconservatives

Shabbat Monkey.

Does neoconservative mean Jooo when Pat says it?

/real question, just checking

Buchanan will ally with anyone to advance his interests, something he demonstrated when he hijacked the Reform Party and then when he turned into the Anti-War pundit

he'll play at being an American conservative so long as it gets him ahead, in reality his politics are self-centered and generally fall on the direction of personal profit, as examining some of the stuff involving him and his sister Kay around his hollow presidential campaigns testifies

Money Quote:

PJB in ital) {VDH in Brac}

Where was Hitler born?
“At Versailles,” replied Lady Astor.

[Buchanan’s citation of the quip of the aristocratic hostess Nancy Witcher Langhorne as an authority on Versailles is revealing and gives his game away—a woman known for her virulent anti-Semitism, pro-Hitler appeasement, and close correspondence with another kindred soul in Ambassador Joseph Kenney. Her slurs about Czechoslovakian refugees, prejudice toward Catholics, lunatic pronouncements on slavery and blacks, and reprehensible slanders of British soldiers proved her to be unhinged—but apparently earns a citation of wisdom from Buchanan.]

Outstanding! We've been calling Pukecannon a Nazi for a while. Nice to know that VDH is essentially in agreement. There's many ways to make the case for isolationism (none good though) that do not involve the effort to rehabilitate Hitler.

Da Bears Jews

re: #51 taxfreekiller

Book selling.
He sells books.
Its about book sales.
Books for sale by Pat.

thats all

His first book, the autobiographical Pat the Bunny, has sold very well for years.

re: #11 kansas

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.

My first indication that maybe, just maybe, Obama will not be President.

* * *
Al Gore thought Howard Dean was the man in 2004~ Yeargghhhh!

re: #38 vanceone

I hear that anti-Semetism is so allegedly rampant on the right, but where? Stormfront, etc all seem to be more libertarian than anything, and even then they seem to be rapidly transitioning to the Left if they were ever on the right to begin with.

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

re: #11 kansas

Link bad. So I just saw this USA Today.

Al Gore says he is backing Barack Obama and will do whatever he can to help him get to the White House.
blockquote>

Drive him over there and get him a discount on a group tour?

re: #30 zombie

Gawd - that description has made me feel totally nauseated.

re: #37 addison

One thing that I am trying to do is wean myself off from thinking in terms of right and left, conservative and liberal, since I find that I am a mixture of the two, and I have been recently accused of being on both sides of the spectrum.

Read the link. Beginnng to see why Buchanan is despised. However, I think when a thread comes up about him it's Kos-Like to see who can be the first to call him a Nazi.

re: #54 OldLineTexan

His first book, the autobiographical Pat the Bunny, has sold very well for years.

Hey, my kids loved Pat The Bunny.

Can I trade Pat for a used puck bag?

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Patrick Von Buchanan.

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Pssst, he drove his Mercedes Benz to an United Auto Workers rally once, when Buchanan was running for president. Bwahahah

re: #30 zombie

Just think how much better off Europe would have been if we had never challenged the Nazis with our neo-conservative warmongering!

No cripples, no ho-mo-sexuals, no Jews, no Gyspies, no rebels -- no untermenschen of any kind! A true wonderland. And we wouldn't have to be bothered with French culture or Dutch culture or Polish culture -- they'd all be Germanified! Such a neat and tidy continent it would have been.

Damn you Churchill! Damn you to hell!

Channeling the Puke-Cannon, I see.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

And he is super-serial about it.

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

Better than being the court historian of Nazi-symapthizers.

re: #60 kansas

Read the link. Beginning to see why Buchanan is despised. However, I think when a thread comes up about him it's Kos-Like to see who can be the first to call him a Nazi.

I don't think he's a Nazi, just a sympathizer who's finally coming out of the closet about it.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

Hey, didn't he win the popular vote, or something? In his mind he wasn't rejected.

Rocco has a one shot lead going to the 18th hole, a par 5.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

I thought he was getting that with his global warming scam.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

He sold BHO the carbon credits that absolve the bus of all sin against Gaia.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

I think he's gotten too big to fit under there.

His swelled head, anyway.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Like Carter before him, Al Gore wants revenge on the nation that rejected him.

The nation didn't reject Gore. The republicans stole the election. But fooling little old Floridian Gore supporters into voting for Buchanon, of all people.

(I think...it was Buchy on those ballots, if I recall)

OT - Charles or better yet, Stinky, please review the links for anti-idiotarians? Several links fall in the "linky no worky" class.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

Al Gore must not have hear about the bus.

Ne, he figures he would be too BIG to fit under there.

re: #31 mama winger

OK Mama

But where I live, North Cal, the best I can do is centrist

It means the same thing, I think.

Also, "traditionalist" is a useful word here.

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

They certainly aren't conservative in the sense of wanting to conserve America's Constitution and foundational values. They are progressive movements, IMO, that seek a radical transformation of the American system in favor of a new ideology. In that sense, it would be more proper to call them LEFT-wing!

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

Ideologically true, but in practice, they probably vote more Republican than Democrat.

There are lunatics at both ends of the political spectrum. With respect to political parties, the relevant question is to what extent are the lunatic extremists "mainstream" within the party, and to what extend do they have control.

I think its crystal clear that the most extreme leftmost part of the spectrum has considerable influence over the Democrats. Some examples would be the choice of Pelosi as Speaker of the House, and of Obama as the US Presidential candidate. The "moderate" Democrats aren't running the show.

This is simply not true among the Republicans, where the extreme right (including Buchanan) have been marginalized. Say what you want about McCain, but he's nowhere near that lunatic right extreme.

re: #73 OldLineTexan

He sold BHO the carbon credits that absolve the bus of all sin against Gaia.

BHO doesn't need carbon credits. The sheer force of his personality as the Messiah absolves him of all sin.

/*barf*

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

re: #27 Ojoe

Buchanan, yet another reason that I call myself a centrist.

* * *
Just because one person is twisted, it doesn't mean all Republicans or conservative minded people or foreign policy hawks agree with Buchanan.

re: #37 addison

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

I agree. During the Clinton years, with Fox News ascendent, conservatives needed articulate reasoned conservative voices. I guess Pat B fit that bill for a time. No one on the right cared to question him about anything because at least he was a conservative who could stick it to libs upon occasion. Now the bats are overflowing the belfry and conservatives seem completely confused.

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

re: #77 Beobachter

Now, is that what you call bringing change and a new tone to politics?

Someone ask the Shrew if Barack will let us be chubby...

re: #78 Ojoe

"traditionalist" is a useful word here.

YES ! I often describe myself as a traditionalist.

These labels interfere with understanding more than they enhance it sometimes. :)

re: #68 Spiny Norman

Not just sympathiser, coming out of the closet.
He's worse than that.
While he's obviously not goose-stepping about in jackboots, he is preparing the way for others: he makes it ok to think, talk and write about Nazis and their ideology.
He makes it ok to be, ever so fastitiously, properly anti-semitic.
He is an enabler.

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

re: #76 Conservative in Liberal Hands

OT - Charles or better yet, Stinky, please review the links for anti-idiotarians? Several links fall in the "linky no worky" class.

I think they may be too busy to get to that anytime soon. Best if we report the ex-parrots to them ourselves.

Bring out your dead! ::clang::

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Rocco ahead by one, after 17!

(66-67)

Looks like yesterday all over again ......

re: #90 Ben Hur

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

When it was held in Nuremberg.

re: #86 Nevergiveup

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

In the bunker, the sandy bunker
The Tiger wins tonight

re: #86 Nevergiveup

But he is in the bunker and tiger is in the fairway

Oh man!

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Bullseye. Instead of using the situation to forge himself as one of the great men of American politics for grace and sacrifice for nation, he took the low road and now is stuck hob-nobbing with a bunch of Hollywood types---which doesn't help his waist line or his carbon footprint.

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

re: #87 brainwizard73

Now, is that what you call bringing change and a new tone to politics?

Someone ask the Shrew if Barack will let us be chubby...

Yes, that' Obama's kind of change. If someone becomes a liability under the bus he / she goes.

re: #88 mama winger

YES ! I often describe myself as a traditionalist.

These labels interfere with understanding more than they enhance it sometimes. :)

Why, without tradition, we would be as wobbly as a fiddler on the roof.

/Pat must hate that show

come on Rocco!

re: #80 looking closely

Worst of all, the Democrats do not vociferously denounce their fringe supporters the way Republicans do.

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

It's sad when a former Vice President of the United States forgets about that whole Constitution/Electoral College thing.

I'm pretty sure he flunked that class in divinity school. That's when he read part of an article about global warming and misunderstood it.

They interrupted the golf here in NYC for a tornado warning?

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

That's what bugs me. To the MSM, he's never been on the fringe.

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

re: #37 addison

He isn't a "conservative"; he's a bigot and a simpleton (cue the Left saying, "But you're repeating yourself"). He uses the aegis of "conservative" to open doors and get access where, were he properly defined as a crank paleo-conservative, he would be denied.

I think the main reason he is allowed on television and other outlets is to basically discredit "conservatives" because people will go, "Huh, so conservatives believe that? They're bad people."

* * *
Exactly, Buchanan's now the left's favorite go-to, willing, available-for-a-buck freak show "conservative" used to caricature and ridicule people the left considers freakish & wrong.

re: #96 brainwizard73

Bullseye. Instead of using the situation to forge himself as one of the great men of American politics for grace and sacrifice for nation, he took the low road and now is stuck hob-nobbing with a bunch of Hollywood types---which doesn't help his waist line or his carbon footprint.

When Algore lost his bid to rule America, he decided to take his campaign on the road and go for the whole "rule the world' thing. That's the GLOBAL in global warming. He now belongs to the Planet.

Unfortunately, the Planet doesn't get a vote.

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

Have they ever really asked Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson any questions?

re: #101 wolfie

Because the media gives them a virtual pass.

Otherwise, they would feel heat and do it.

Germay 1 - Austria 0.

Ballak '49

re: #97 Charles

I've heard Buchanan on M. Savage's radio show too, but lately I think M. Savage has gone off some kind of deep end.

He's a professional grouch at the very least and ultimately negativity does not lead anywhere good.

re: #100 sadhu

come on Rocco!

BOO! HISS!
;-p

re: #79 wolfie

They certainly aren't conservative in the sense of wanting to conserve America's Constitution and foundational values. They are progressive movements, IMO, that seek a radical transformation of the American system in favor of a new ideology. In that sense, it would be more proper to call them LEFT-wing!

Absolutely.

re: #80 looking closely

Ideologically true, but in practice, they probably vote more Republican than Democrat.

I'm not so sure. They will go for the "Populist" who is, historically speaking, far more likely to be a Democrat.

re: #84 alegrias

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Just because one person is twisted, it doesn't mean all Republicans or conservative minded people or foreign policy hawks agree with Buchanan.

You could substitute "any more than a tiny fringe of" for "all" there.

Walked by a TV here at work with CNN on. They had a charming story about little Elian Gonzales joining the communist youth in Cuba. The story was factually correct, but the tone was crazy. It was a like a Nickelodeon segment on this cute little boy coming of age. It's amazing how clueless some people are.

They talked his close relationship to uncle Fidel. And hinted that someday he may be in power in Cuba.

re: #56 Spiny Norman

Stormfront, Vanguard News Network, the Christian Identity Movement and the rest may spout anti-government quasi-Libertarian rhetoric, but they are solidly Collectivist (based on race), so calling them "right-wing" in today's context is not particularly accurate, IMHO.

What you see in these groups is the intersection of far right and far left -- the wraparound effect. I'd guess that most neo-Nazi haters actually do think of themselves as "right wing." Leftists are objects of extreme derision in these groups. But there's more in common between them than they'll ever admit.

It's all about the hate.

re: #91 Spiny Norman

I have been an patiently checking links and reporting them.

re: #107 mama winger

If he belongs to the planet, can he just stay there...you know, on the planet?

re: #31 mama winger

I call myself a conservative, and proudly. Buchanan has nothing to do with me or my conservative values. He is his own uncategorized shmuck.

* * *
Buchanan's horrible speech at the 1992 Republican convention is also considered to have been SUCH a TURNOFF to normal people of good will, it helped Clinton/Gore win that general election.

re: #108 OldLineTexan

Have they ever really asked Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson any questions?

Sure, all the corporations ask them how much money they want to shut up and go away.

re: #110 Ben Hur

Germay 1 - Austria 0.

Ballak '49

Ask Pat...this was probably Britian's fault...

re: #105 Mars Needs Neocons

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

I've not seen anything in Pat Robertson that would give me reason to think he is anti-semitic. On the contrary, his support for Israel dominates much of his work.

re: #116 Charles

What you see in these groups is the intersection of far right and far left -- the wraparound effect. I'd guess that most neo-Nazi haters actually do think of themselves as "right wing." Leftists are objects of extreme derision in these groups. But there's more in common between them than they'll ever admit.

It's all about the hate.

All we are sayyying, is give hate a chance....

re: #59 Johnny 100 Pesos

One thing that I am trying to do is wean myself off from thinking in terms of right and left, conservative and liberal, since I find that I am a mixture of the two, and I have been recently accused of being on both sides of the spectrum.

Well, if you are accused of being on both sides, there's a sure indication that you aren't hanging out in the weeds of the Far Left or Far Right. Maybe you're open to arguments on both sides, and can make informed decisions due to getting the "facts" from both sides and synthesizing a rational approach to things.

Than again, maybe you're wishy-washy. :)

JAFLW

re: #120 Nevergiveup

Sure, all the corporations ask them how much money they want to shut up and go away.

I saw that little news tidbit about Al.

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

You have to admit that no one is ever questioned about anything they say on Fox or MSNBC. Seriously when you have an Olbermann on MSNBC and Beckel now on Fox, it's pretty much over that there will be any actual journalism going on.

re: #115 Dave the.....

Walked by a TV here at work with CNN on. They had a charming story about little Elian Gonzales joining the communist youth in Cuba. The story was factually correct, but the tone was crazy. It was a like a Nickelodeon segment on this cute little boy coming of age. It's amazing how clueless some people are.

They talked his close relationship to uncle Fidel. And hinted that someday he may be in power in Cuba.

Knowing what a moonbat Linda Ellerbee is, it'll probably be on Nick News, too.

Buchanan is not a revisionist or even a "pseudo-historian". He's a polemicist, an ideologue and the court historian of the neo-nazi lunatic fringe.

See, I can engage in ad hominem attacks too, especially when they're true.

On the job, their way; Clashes increasing between Somali Muslims & Minnesota employers

Fatuma Hassan has just enough rice in her near-empty cupboards to make it through the month. The anger she felt when she lost her job in May has given way to a dull, nagging hunger. Yet this soft-spoken 22-year-old became an unlikely hero within the Somali community when she and five of her Muslim co-workers were dismissed last month from the Mission Foods tortilla factory in New Brighton for refusing to wear a new company uniform -- a shirt and pants -- they consider a violation of their Islamic beliefs. "For me, wearing pants is the same as being naked," Hassan said, noting the prophet Mohammed taught that men and women should not dress alike. "My culture, my religious beliefs, are more important than a uniform." ... Yet nearly two decades after a violent civil war brought thousands of Somali refugees to the Twin Cities, their integration in the U.S. workplace is becoming more contentious. Their insistence on maintaining Muslim traditions, including prayer times and modest clothing, have led to firings at several manufacturers across the state and a sharp increase in religious discrimination complaints.

Our intolerance is starving them.

re: #103 Nevergiveup

Yeah, northwest of the NYC.

Newsweek Agrees with Buchanan: Appeasement is a Good Thing:

The Mythology of Munich
Chamberlain's deal with Hitler has become shorthand for naive, weak leadership. But governing by analogy can be a mistake, too.

If you were making the movie, the scene might go something like this: It is late May 1940. France is collapsing and the Nazis are pushing the British Expeditionary Force into the English Channel. Britain stands alone against Hitler's mighty onslaught. In London the War Cabinet has gathered to consider a peace feeler: if Britain agrees to stop fighting, Hitler will allow the British to keep most of their empire. The notion seems tempting, under the dire circumstances, and politicians like Neville Chamberlain—the former British prime minister who, wrongly, thought he could appease Hitler by letting him swallow a chunk of Czechoslovakia in 1938—want to pursue it. But, lo, no! A lone voice—a familiar bulldog growl—fills the room. England must never yield, insists Winston Churchill (contemptuously mispronouncing the word Nazi as "Nahr-zee"). "If this long island story of ours is to end at last," Churchill rumbles, "let it end only when each one of us lies choking in his own blood on the ground."

Stirring stuff, a Manichaean drama of courage standing against weakness and evil, and pretty much the way Churchill wanted the story told, though not quite the way it happened. The events of late May 1940 are a little less black and white than a docudrama would portray them. Recent accounts by historians like John Lukacs suggest that Churchill was not so much a lion at the ramparts as a brave and able but anxious statesman/politician, worried that his Army was not up to the fight and that the British people weren't really ready for the ordeal to come. For five days in late May 1940, he felt his way, calculating the odds, fretting about "slippery slopes" and working through the problem. At first he said that he wanted to think about the secret deal, but then stiffened and—ultimately with Chamberlain's support—decided to fight on. When he spoke to the British people on June 4, Churchill was magnificent: "We shall fight on the beaches ... we shall fight on the fields ... we shall never surrender." A human hero—not a man of myth, and all the more admirable for it.
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

re: #115 Dave the.....

Walked by a TV here at work with CNN on. They had a charming story about little Elian Gonzales joining the communist youth in Cuba. The story was factually correct, but the tone was crazy. It was a like a Nickelodeon segment on this cute little boy coming of age. It's amazing how clueless some people are.

They talked his close relationship to uncle Fidel. And hinted that someday he may be in power in Cuba.

Hell, Nickelodeon themselves had a segment by Linda Ellerbee encouraging little kids to join World Can't Wait, who are to the left of the Cummunist Youth in Cuba.

It's everywhere, people.

#116 Charles. yep.

See left wing Hugu Chavez and right wing Iran leader (I cannot spell his name even now yet). Best buds.

Is anybody on the green yet?

re: #127 Ward Cleaver

Knowing what a moonbat Linda Ellerbee is, it'll probably be on Nick News, too.

Remember Diana Sawyer's NorKo trip? She a this piece on a music group comprised of 3 year olds. They were perfect... and honestly frightening.

re: #119 alegrias

* * *
Buchanan's horrible speech at the 1992 Republican convention is also considered to have been SUCH a TURNOFF to normal people of good will, it helped Clinton/Gore win that general election.

I can't believe he was invited.

Was that the only time?

re: #129 Ben Hur

On the job, their way; Clashes increasing between Somali Muslims & Minnesota employers

Our intolerance is starving them.

Send them each home with a bag of rice and a new burqa.

re: #132 zombie

Hell, Nickelodeon themselves had a segment by Linda Ellerbee encouraging little kids to join World Can't Wait, who are to the left of the Cummunist Youth in Cuba.

It's everywhere, people.

Like I was sayin'.

Rocco vs. Woods - 18th hole. Unbelievable.

re: #131 ted

They're trying their best to legitimize appeasement, in expectation of an Obama presidency.

re: #136 Ben Hur

I can't believe he was invited.

Was that the only time?

He was on the ballot in many states that year in the primaries.

Pat Buchanan's life has been lived too much in isolation the past decade. His sense of human warmth is missing. I think it is alos reflected in his personal judgements. He goes off on a poor tangent and can't tell where he is at in relation to what good will is. Hopefully we take his lesson and defer onto a better path.

re: #129 Ben Hur

I would suggest they move back to Somalia, but then that would be racist or Islamophobic wouldn't it. Seriously though, go home.

re: #90 Ben Hur

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

I beleive he has, but he was also effectively snubbed by the party after the '96 Presidential campaign. He formally left the Republican party before the '00 campaign.

re: #144 looking closely

I beleive he has, but he was also effectively snubbed by the party after the '96 Presidential campaign. He formally left the Republican party before the '00 campaign.

Good.

Was starting to reconsider.

re: #131 ted

..."which bears his name on it as well as mine."

*spit*

re: #126 kansas

You have to admit that no one is ever questioned about anything they say on Fox or MSNBC. Seriously when you have an Olbermann on MSNBC and Beckel now on Fox, it's pretty much over that there will be any actual journalism going on.

I haven't watched even Fox in awhile.

re: #85 Russkilitlover

I agree. During the Clinton years, with Fox News ascendent, conservatives needed articulate reasoned conservative voices. I guess Pat B fit that bill for a time. No one on the right cared to question him about anything because at least he was a conservative who could stick it to libs upon occasion. Now the bats are overflowing the belfry and conservatives seem completely confused.

William Buckley was not fooled. He (sadly) accepted that Buchanan was no longer just "critical of Israeli policy", but was truly an anti-semite. He banned him from National Review.
At that time, many thought Buckley was being a bit touchy.
Since then Buchanan has slowly but ever-more-brazenly vindicated Buckley's accurate intuition.

Buchanan was on "Brian and the Judge" this morning on Sirius Fox News. They were polite, but did not give him a pass.

come on Rocco! sink it!

ROCCO!

re: #140 Charles

They're trying their best to legitimize appeasement, in expectation of an Obama presidency.

And the alligator says, "Buuuurp!"

Uphill putt. Do it!

I so don't like Buchanan. Actually, I detest the man.

I don't understand.

You guys are rooting against Tiger?

MISS!

re: #150 sadhu

come on Rocco! sink it!

How long is the putt?

re: #105 Mars Needs Neocons

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

well, National Review/Bill Buckley picked up on it awhile back as well. NR and Bill are properly given credit for hustling the whackos and anti-semites out the door.

re: #105 Mars Needs Neocons

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

I believe that older people, who perhaps have read or heard anti-semitic remarks, have a feel for this.
Its not about long tirade of anti-semitism, its about small words and expressions here and there which give the game away, even though they look and sound quite innocent to another person.
I think its like a sort of inoculation: once you know, its easy to spot, but very difficult to explain in so many words.

If they tie --what is it sudden death?

re: #145 Ben Hur

I don't remember him being that nutty back then, but it could be that I just wasn't paying enough attention.

As a conservative, I really don't like Pat Buchanan selling himself as a 'conservative.' He's gotten more and more radical every year since he left the Republican party.

He puts out a disgusting premise and then gets annoyed when someone calls him on it. Much more similar to a leftist than a conservative IMO.

I'm rooting on a good story! Tiger is always a good story. Rocco is over a hundred years old! His last chance for a good big story!

re: #140 Charles

Everyone go read "The Gathering Storm".

'course, cheap politics is easier

Rocco misses!

NOONAN!

re: #148 wolfie

William Buckley was not fooled. He (sadly) accepted that Buchanan was no longer just "critical of Israeli policy", but was truly an anti-semite. He banned him from National Review.
At that time, many thought Buckley was being a bit touchy.
Since then Buchanan has slowly but ever-more-brazenly vindicated Buckley's accurate intuition.

RIP, WFB.

Yeah, when I was first following politics very closely (early-mid 80s), Buchanan was a hero of the center-right. As stated above, part of it was because he spoke without holding anything back. Very rare in pre-talk radio days. Our other sources of conservative views in the MSM world (Readers Digest, Paul Harvey, and....that's was it...wait, letters to the editor in the local paper) were a little more reserved.

Fatuma Hassan has just enough rice in her near-empty cupboards to make it through the month. The anger she felt when she lost her job in May has given way to a dull, nagging hunger. Yet this soft-spoken 22-year-old became an unlikely hero within the Somali community when she and five of her Muslim co-workers were dismissed last month from the Mission Foods tortilla factory in New Brighton for refusing to wear a new company uniform -- a shirt and pants -- they consider a violation of their Islamic beliefs. "For me, wearing pants is the same as being naked," Hassan said, noting the prophet Mohammed taught that men and women should not dress alike. "My culture, my religious beliefs, are more important than a uniform." ... Yet nearly two decades after a violent civil war brought thousands of Somali refugees to the Twin Cities, their integration in the U.S. workplace is becoming more contentious. Their insistence on maintaining Muslim traditions, including prayer times and modest clothing, have led to firings at several manufacturers across the state and a sharp increase in religious discrimination complaints.

So..this woman came here as a toddler? And somehow her "Somali" Islamic culture trumps everything about America, including having enough food in the cupboard to feed herself?

This bodes well for the future.

re: #121 brainwizard73

Ask Pat...this was probably Britian's fault...

No need to ask - it was Britain's fault, Ballack plays in the English Premier League ..

re: #162 kynna

As a conservative, I really don't like Pat Buchanan selling himself as a 'conservative.' He's gotten more and more radical every year since he left the Republican party.

He puts out a disgusting premise and then gets annoyed when someone calls him on it. Much more similar to a leftist than a conservative IMO.

The BBC and the rest of the MSM refer to the Saudi regime as "conservative" all the time.

We're screwed either way.

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm rooting on a good story! Tiger is always a good story. Rocco is over a hundred years old! His last chance for a good big story!

By the way, that was for Ben Hur. #155. Meant to hit reply.

re: #159 yma o hyd

Again - there are things that people can say about Pat Robertson, but I do not think being an anti-semite is one of them.

(Not directed at you but at the quote you replied to. )

re: #80 looking closely

Ideologically true, but in practice, they probably vote more Republican than Democrat.

No, these are the shmucks who vote for fringe parties, like Pat's "Reform Party"

What'd Rocco shoot on 18?

re: #90 Ben Hur

Has Buchanan spoken at Republican conventions in the past?

* * *
Yes, he singlehandedly stunk up the 1992 Convention, someone find Buchanan's rotten speech!

re: #170 Diamond Bullet

Wear the uniform, do the job. Pray on your own time. Fairly simple.

Here we go ! ! !

tiger rocco

Some live blogging of Woods & Rocco.
[Link: www.rte.ie...]

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

What'd Rocco shoot on 18?

He just missed his put.

I used to like to listen to Pat. I don't ever remember agreeing with him much, but now he seems to have gone off the deep end. Maybe he and the Kostards will start hanging out..

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

Is that the equivalent of Buchanan calling Hanson a "Porch Protestant"?

re: #171 yma o hyd

No need to ask - it was Britain's fault, Ballack plays in the English Premier League ..

See? SEE?!?

This fits for Pat...only fools doubted him...uh...

all even -- sudden death coming up

ROCCO/TIGER SUDDEN DEATH!

re: #93 Nevergiveup

When it was held in Nuremberg.

* * *
Actually, it was in Kahlifornia!

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ROCCO/TIGER SUDDEN DEATH!

Pistols at 10 paces?

SUDDEN DEATH ! ! ! !

play on!

re: #155 Ben Hur

I don't understand.
You guys are rooting against Tiger?

A twenty year veteran against 'the kid'. Sudden Death!

TIED end of 18

re: #188 Hard Right

Pistols at 10 paces?

Slapfight?

You guys are watching golf at work?

Who knew golf could be this exciting!
DAMN!

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ROCCO/TIGER SUDDEN DEATH!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!

re: #192 OldLineTexan

Slapfight?

They are golfers...slapfight! First one to cry loses.

re: #165 Ojoe

Everyone go read "The Gathering Storm".

'course, cheap politics is easier

Also read Ian Kershaw's recent two volume biography of Hitler. He has no illusions on the wickedness, brutality and murderous intent of Hitler and his Nazis.

re: #172 Ben Hur

I think it is time to drop the label 'Conservative" and find some other term less freighted with political nastiness.

A better term would improve things in this country.

Lots of people want to be conservative but the word puts them off.

re: #193 kansas

You guys are watching golf at work?

ESPN Stream....

re: #193 kansas

You guys are watching golf at work?

every golfer we know is! this is great stuff

re: #192 OldLineTexan

Slapfight?

Norwegian fish-slapping dance!

re: #195 Ward Cleaver

YEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!

Turn off the game, Howard. You'll have a stroke.

/

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

"Global warming" came into its own as a way to trump the War on Terror.

The idea of following President Bush's lead was too repulsive to the Democrats--particularly since their lousy national security credentials made Bush tough to challenge in the days and months following 9/11. National security and antiterrorism did not permit the Democrats to further their agenda; everywhere they were stymied by the notion that national security came before healthcare giveaways, or more niggling regulations, or whatever.

The only way they could escape this ideological cul-de-sac was to come up with something bigger than a threat to our national security. "Bush is concerned about national security? We're concerned with saving the entire planet! Ha!"

That was the initial purpose of "global warming"; to trump, and to undermine, the support for Bush in fighting back the Islamists. The potential crippling of industry and regimentation of American behavior is almost lagniappe compared to that.

I have never thought of it in that way. Thanks buzz for opening up a whole new train of thought for me. Interesting .......

I have never watched TV golf before today. This is cool. Still think it's animated.

re: #197 Paul

I will look it up.

re: #193 kansas

You guys are watching golf at work?

I'm at home. No internet where I work. I think we are the only business in America without it.

re: #198 Ojoe

I think it is time to drop the label 'Conservative" and find some other term less freighted with political nastiness.

A better term would improve things in this country.

Lots of people want to be conservative but the word puts them off.

How about Progressive?

re: #136 Ben Hur

I can't believe he was invited.

Was that the only time?

* * *
Buchanan worked in the NIXON Whitehouse as a young man.

Presumably he wasn't a windbag/gasbag with odious ideas & convictions his entire life.

But I don't know.

re: #167 Hard Right

NOONAN!

Ohhhh Billy, Billy, Billy!

re: #201 Ward Cleaver

Norwegian fish-slapping dance!

Oooo ! that's my best event !

re: #208 kansas

How about Progressive?

I don't know...are you gonna wipe all the DouDou off of it first?

re: #193 kansas

You guys are watching golf at work?

Took the day off to watch.

Oh yeah, I'm off on Mondays anyway.

re: #207 mama winger

I'm at home. No internet where I work. I think we are the only business in America without it.

Then it must be the most productive business in the country!

re: #133 Dave the.....

#116 Charles. yep.

See left wing Hugu Chavez and right wing Iran leader (I cannot spell his name even now yet). Best buds.

Which really shouldn't suprise any of us. The notions of "right" and "left" are partially misleading, partially archaic. It's really more of the individual vs. the collective. Hugo and Dinner Jacket are collectivists of differing stripes: one is communist, and the other, Islamist. Neither likes individual rights, nor the Jews. It's most interesting how anti-Semitism pervades the collectivist movements. I'm actually hard-pressed to find a collectivist movement from the French Revolutionaries to the Progressives to the Nazis to the Communists to the Islamists that was not in the least anti-Semitic.

re: #190 ec marm

A twenty year veteran against 'the kid'. Sudden Death!

Nice!

re: #208 kansas

That's freighted too, though in the word's real sense of "progress", I am for it.

re: #178 kansas

Wear the uniform, do the job. Pray on your own time. Fairly simple.

I agree. My point was more that she's not a new arrival having trouble assimilating into a country where not everything revolves around praying to Mecca all day, but someone who has apparently been raised in this country. If even Muslims who are raised here refuse to assimilate, and basically refuse to work while simultaneously filing "discrimination" complaints all day it is hard to feel much sympathy. Naturally, the state will probably end over backwards to "accomodate" her.

It's getting to be time for me to start a violent religion that requires tithes of JW black label be rolled to my house by the hogshead.

Pat Buchanan is a revisionist, by the very definition of the term.

If Buchanan had written that trash when Basil Liddell-Hart was still alive he would have been forcibly institutionalized and heavily medicated or living in George Lincoln Rockwell's basement while working as a gas pump jockey.

===

I'm just a PT Boat in a fleet that includes the Battleships Victor Davis Hanson and Charles Johnson.

===

I notice that as of 4pm EST Ian Jobling has yet to publish his promised retort to being called a racist scumbag.

I wonder, was it Jobling, or his racist informant, who edited my LGF comments that were cut and pasted on his website both for content and context?

In fact, it appears that Joblings only response has been to block Charles's tiny url redirect.

Wassamatter Jobling, you Kevin Alfred Strom lookalike? Can't take the heat of the truth?

===

PT boats can sink capitol ships...

DU
HAST,
R

Eine Volke, Eine Reich, Eine Fuhrer, Eine Dumbass

/VDH Rocks!

Poland 0 - Croatia 1

Go Rocco!

/be the ball

re: #140 Charles

They're trying their best to legitimize appeasement, in expectation of an Obama presidency.

IMO, they're trying to legitimize appeasement to CREATE an Obama presidency.

Back to work. 'Bye. BBL

re: #198 Ojoe

I think it is time to drop the label 'Conservative" and find some other term less freighted with political nastiness.

A better term would improve things in this country.

Lots of people want to be conservative but the word puts them off.

The new word would eventually get slurred as well. The challenge is not to change the word - it is to make 'conservative' something honorable and valued again.

re: #197 Paul

Also read Ian Kershaw's recent two volume biography of Hitler. He has no illusions on the wickedness, brutality and murderous intent of Hitler and his Nazis.

Good stuff, if a bit long.
'The Third Reich: A new History, by Michael Burleigh, is excellent.

re: #214 zombie

Then it must be the most productive business in the country!

We do produce a lot of dog poop. :)

re: #201 Ward Cleaver

Norwegian fish-slapping dance!

Fish can dance?

re: #105 Mars Needs Neocons

My father has been a conservative for a long time. He warned my ten or more years ago to watch out for Buchanan. He said that Pat and Pat (Robertson) were closet anti-semites and were a danger to the conservative movement. How he picked this up without the evidence we now have in front of us now, I can't figure out.

* * *
Pat Robertson's CBN network broadcasts FROM ISRAEL and does decent reporting, when I have peaked at it.

Pat Robertson is certainly on board with our fighting radical theologies that threaten both Israel and the US.

re: #218 Diamond Bullet

Naturally, the state will probably end over backwards to "accomodate" her.

Someone is telling them that.

I don't know how anyone could not love the drama in this U.S. Open match now going to sudden death after 18 holes of even golf.

Either way it is an epic battle that will go down in golf lore...I kind of favor Rocco 55-45 because of his age and I don't know how many more of these majors he will be in/have a chance to win. Tiger will win probably 10 more in the next 15 years...so I might give my rooting edge to Rocco.

Rocco the "old" qualifier (he had to play his way in) against the "wounded" Tiger...you would have to be a virulent golf-hater to not be intrigued by the events.

re: #212 OldLineTexan

I don't know...are you gonna wipe all the DouDou off of it first?

No, I think the DouDou should stay. Plus, isn't that what libs do, just appropriate some new term when things are kind of going bad? Liberal? No, Progressive. Conservative? No, Progressive. Everybody is Progressive.

re: #227 mama winger

Mama helps the animals.

{MamaWinger}

re: #228 Hard Right

Fish can dance?

Fish can slap?

re: #175 Alouette

No, these are the shmucks who vote for fringe parties, like Pat's "Reform Party"

Or the Libertarian party (or Ron Paul, etc).

But I still submit to you that more of the fringe right group types are voting Republican than Democrat.

Is Buchanan a troofer and or a Paulian? Seems likely imho.

re: #228 Hard Right

Fish can dance?

Monty Python reference.

re: #207 mama winger

Nope. My dentist still uses a

card file

for patient info and accounts. No computer. Secretary's desk has an IBM correcting selectric. I'm amazed he can find anyone to work on it when it gets glitchy.

re: #228 Hard Right

Fish can dance?

Just Norwegian ones.

re: #210 jamgarr

Ohhhh Billy, Billy, Billy!

About time someone picked up on that.

$50 says he eats it.

re: #97 Charles

Unfortunately, Buchanan is not on the fringe any more. He's a regular guest on Fox and MSNBC, and he is never questioned about his bizarre Jew-hatred and associations with Eurofascists.

Charles -

And I have always wondered about that myself. "Brother Buchanan" was fairly high up in the Nixon Administration back in the day. Makes me wonder if he has closet skeletons he could rattle if the discussion gets too hot.
As for the political orientation of "Nazis" - just remember - the full name was "NSDAP" - Which translated into English comes out "NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY" - that it was a collectivist entity is beyond doubt.

-S-

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fish can slap?

YES! With the tail!

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Nope. My dentist still uses a

for patient info and accounts. No computer. Secretary's desk has an IBM correcting selectric. I'm amazed he can find anyone to work on it when it gets glitchy.

Your dentist must be my boss's cousin.

re: #237 Ward Cleaver

Monty Python reference.

I know. Guy with two fish. One guy with one big fish.

re: #227 mama winger

We do produce a lot of dog poop. :)

Sorry it took so long to read back up the thread. I agree that there isn't any evidence that Robertson is like that (I did find one site that is absolutely convinced that he is, but it's pretty crazy. Their "evidence" is really lame.) But, my father is just flat out convinced that Robertson is not what he seems. Don't ask me why. Just funny that he turned out to be right on Buchanan.

PS don't go to that site unless you really have an urge to stare open mouthed at absolute lunacy and weak arguments bolstered by logical fallacies.

re: #241 Dr. Shalit

There were rumors that Buchanan was Deep Throat.

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Gee Whiz. Does he/she use Ether?

re: #145 Ben Hur

Good.

Was starting to reconsider.

You must also remember that he has changed a lot over the years.......at least outwardly. If he had written or said the clearly anti-semitic things he saying now back in 1992 (not to mention if he had written a book like The Unnecessary War,) he would not have been allowed to speak.

I think you can trace his derailment from the conservative movement to the end of the Cold War. Once fighting the Soviets was off the agenda, the cracks between him and his erstwhile allies in that struggle became big fissures.
And note this: once Israel could no longer be seen as a pro-American ally facing the Soviet-backed Palis, his anti-semitism and dislike of Israel could no longer be restrained.

Honorary Yooper (I've toured the UP....how may lizards can say they've vacationed in Escanaba)....yeah. And I wonder if one of the few differences between far right and far left is taking control of other nations by force (right) or by insurgency (left).

Is this in Liberal Fascism? The idea of a right wing fascist state is that you allow private businesses, but the gov't controls everything they do. A communist state...you just eliminate private ownership. But overall, very similar.

Looks like Rocco just lost.

/nice effort though

re: #238 reine.de.tout

Nope. My dentist still uses a

for patient info and accounts. No computer. Secretary's desk has an IBM correcting selectric. I'm amazed he can find anyone to work on it when it gets glitchy.

I am so fully computerized and digital, sometimes I long for the good old days when things are crashing or I am writing those checks for support.

re: #246 mama winger

Better title for Pat: "Shallow Theory"

re: #229 alegrias

* * *
Pat Robertson's CBN network broadcasts FROM ISRAEL and does decent reporting, when I have peaked at it.

Pat Robertson is certainly on board with our fighting radical theologies that threaten both Israel and the US.

I think in a real sense, the American Christian Right is more pro-Israel than much of the (largely liberal) American Jewish Community.

re: #218 Diamond Bullet
I missed the irony of a Muslim working in a tortilla factory. Aren't there some illegal Mexicans who can take her place?

re: #240 Hard Right

Can't believe I missed it.

re: #250 Killian Bundy

Looks like Rocco just lost.

/nice effort though

CHOKE!

re: #250 Killian Bundy

What? His tee shot on #7 was bad?

Details?

re: #256 Hard Right

CHOKE!

Can hardly say he choked after 18 holes and then sudden death against the best player in the world.

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't believe I missed it.

You were at the ball washer again, weren't you?

re: #245 Mars Needs Neocons

Yeah - I think the charge of anti-semitism against Robertson is without merit. Much of his life's work has been in support of Israel. There are other nutty things about him, but that ain't one of them - haha :)

re: #248 wolfie

Thanks for the explanation.

re: #249 Dave the.....

how may lizards can say they've vacationed in Escanaba).

ME ME ME ME ME !

:)

re: #256 Hard Right

CHOKE!

You're kidding. Right? No way this can be called a choke. That's silly.

re: #259 Hard Right

You were at the ball washer again, weren't you?

The ball-washer - is that Kos?

“the court historian of the neoconservatives”

But, did Buchanan say Hanson was wrong?

re: #260 mama winger

Yeah - I think the charge of anti-semitism against Robertson is without merit. Much of his life's work has been in support of Israel. There are other nutty things about him, but that ain't one of them - haha :)

Agreed.

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're kidding. Right? No way this can be called a choke. That's silly.

Yes I'm kidding.
Basketball popped into my head.

re: #264 Ward Cleaver

The ball-washer - is that Kos?

Well, not the web site.

Yeah OK, VDH is still being polite, both on the facts and the rhetoric.

Even the Pat Buchanan circa 1980 would recognize this Pat Buchanan 2008 as lunatic. Anyway, Max Bialystock beat him too it.

re: #246 mama winger

There were rumors that Buchanan was Deep Throat.

Actually he's the object being Deep Throated.