Truly fucking disgusting.

Welcome to 2008.

Its about this time I wish that the US Imperialist forces really did have kill teams which could disappear his ass.

The next Prime Minister?

re: #2 WrathofG-d

Welcome to 2008.

I hope there is a 2009?

I think we see one of the major problems of trying Terrorists in civil courts.

...coming to a U.S. near you....

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its about this time I wish that the US Imperialist forces really did have kill teams which could disappear his ass.

Ironically, the SAS used to do exactly that.

It was nice knowing you England.

I think Amy Winehouse is the head of security over there now.

Submission of the Wimp.

re: #5 Nevergiveup

Oh there will be....theirs is a very long war. We won't know we are ____'d until its way too late....and even then there will be those "intellectuals" explaining to us how "better off" we are.

Sure, turn them all loose they have changed their ideology in prison, now they will go home and be peaceful men and screw goats and camels, actually it just gives our guys new targets to destroy, because they will be back in action, this time we'll take the shot instead of capture!

What would Obama do?

Rue Britannia.

Charles,

I'm getting freezes in my browser (browser becomes not-responding then I have to kill it) when I try and log in from the front page (though it seems to work fine from a article-specific page). This is in both FireFox 2.0.0.14 and IE 6.0 under XP.

I also noticed when I went to LGF Spy from the front page my browser froze, but when I entered it from an article page things worked. I didn't try this under IE, and only attempted it once. Did you do anything on the front page that might explain this behavior?

Only the soccer thug can save England.

re: #5 Nevergiveup

In other good news: (sarc) OT:

Fatah now visiting Hamas in Gaza. AFP

Ah, the liberals idea of fighting terrorism through law enforcement.
How's that working for us, again?

re: #18 WrathofG-d

In other good news: (sarc) OT:

Fatah now visiting Hamas in Gaza. AFP

Well there is that saying about all rotten eggs being in one basket.

re: #19 mean Gene

Ah, the liberals idea of fighting terrorism through law enforcement.
How's that working for us, again?

Clinton tried it for 8 years. Almost 3000 people paid with their lives for it.

re: #20 Nevergiveup

Well there is that saying about all rotten eggs being in one basket.

Not to mention

Target-rich environment!

/go idf!

Let's hope that Big Louis, Knuckles, and Rocko are the ones paying the bail, and are waiting to give him a ride.

}:)     [There's lots of seating in the boot ... ]

2 words---extraordinary rendition

Gee, I wonder if anyone "unexpected" will meet him as he's released from Jail?!

Jawdropper of the Day

Well the Supreme Court has basically decided that almost every prisoner we take in this war will be released too.

And just wait until Obama becomes President; our jaws will be in a permanent state of dropped.

re: #16 Lee Coller

Charles,

I'm getting freezes in my browser (browser becomes not-responding then I have to kill it) when I try and log in from the front page (though it seems to work fine from a article-specific page). This is in both FireFox 2.0.0.14 and IE 6.0 under XP.

I also noticed when I went to LGF Spy from the front page my browser froze, but when I entered it from an article page things worked. I didn't try this under IE, and only attempted it once. Did you do anything on the front page that might explain this behavior?

Make sure you have the latest version of the Flash player. I think there may be an incompatibility with the Redlasso.com video that's on the front page, and earlier versions of the Flash player.

Are there any sheepdogs left in England? Maybe a few among the 7/7 victims families?

Please... somebody... anybody... shove this monster down a flight of stairs.

My jaw has fallen, and I can't pick it up.

Actually that happened a long time ago. Now I just wheel it around in front of me in a little cart.

re: #25 Atweber

2 words---extraordinary rendition

Four words:

Terminate with extreme prejudice.

re: #20 Nevergiveup

um NO. Its going to the other way.

Furthermore we have to look at this in a historical context. For the last 3 years the U.S. (and other nations) have been funding, training, and supporting Abbas/Mazen in pretty much any way he wanted "as a counter to the Terrorists Hamas". Well, now that they are teaming up together, it seems that the U.S. was actually funding, training, and dealing with Hamas.

The United States (and other nations) once again fell for the long-standing Phakestinian ruse of good cop-bad cop.

You can be sure that this will all turn out with more dead Israelis.

re: #4 Ward Cleaver

Could be Britain's Mandela...

I really want to know why this man is still alive. I cant think of one valid reason he should not be room temperature.

Well, I know what country I want to go to if I'm ever a terrorist.

Some of the bail money was put up by Norman Kember, after Qatada made an appeal for his release from captivity in Baghdad in November 2005. He was eventually released by the SAS.

Somebody wake me from this nightmare.

Norman Frank Kember (born 1931) is a British peace activist. Kember is an Emeritus Professor of biophysics at the Barts and The London School of Medicine and Dentistry, a Baptist, and a longstanding member of the Baptist Peace Fellowship and the Fellowship of Reconciliation. As a conscientious objector to military service, he worked in a hospital in the early 1950s, which stimulated his interest in medical physics.

Among Christian youth in the UK he is well known for his involvement in the "Peace Zone" at the annual Greenbelt Festival. He became internationally known, when he - as a senior volunteer of Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) in Iraq - was taken as hostage with three other CPT members, leading to a widely publicised hostage crisis. He had gone to Iraq to demonstrate his opposition to the invasion of the country by the United States-led coalition and to show solidarity with the Iraqi people.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So, this is what happens when you put terrorists into a civilian court system where the normal rules apply.

You see, they had no choice but to release him because the Jordanians convicted him in absentia for carrying out bomb attacks on two hotels in Amman in 1998, and providing finance and advice for a series of bomb attacks in Jordan planned to coincide with the Millennium. That was the argument that won the day in the Appeal Court that he wouldn't get fair treatment in Jordan. Therefore, he couldn't be extradited.

And the Brits have nothing else to hold him on.

So, we'll be playing catch and release with him.

And I'll be praying that he doesn't carry out another mass casualty attack upon his release.

re: #28 Charles

Make sure you have the latest version of the Flash player. I think there may be an incompatibility with the Redlasso.com video that's on the front page, and earlier versions of the Flash player.

The latest is 9.0.124.0. It mainly fixes an exploit.

re: #6 WrathofG-d

I think we see one of the major problems of trying Terrorists in civil courts.

...coming to a U.S. near you....

That's what I was thinking. We're next.
Thanks you traitorous SC leftists. >:(

re: #32 ploome hineni

Not sure if that was a joke, but the actual answer is that PLO Officials have always had full travel rights into, out of, and through Israel.

The checkpoints etc., do not apply to PLO Officials. (never have)

re: #34 anotherindyfilmguy

Could be Britain's Mandela...

Look for used tires to appreciate in value.

/necklaces

re: #16 Lee Coller

Charles,

I'm getting freezes in my browser (browser becomes not-responding then I have to kill it) when I try and log in from the front page (though it seems to work fine from a article-specific page). This is in both FireFox 2.0.0.14 and IE 6.0 under XP.

I also noticed when I went to LGF Spy from the front page my browser froze, but when I entered it from an article page things worked. I didn't try this under IE, and only attempted it once. Did you do anything on the front page that might explain this behavior?

I replaced the Redlasso video with one from YouTube. Does that fix it?

i hope this sentiment won't get deleted, but please let's just interrogate them on the battlefield and then execute them on the spot. if they don't want to talk, fine. there are other ways to get information. these people are non-state unlawful enemy combatants - they voted themselves into this position. even those idiotic instruments of subversion Additional Protocols I and II to the Geneva Conventions can only be regarded as comprehending Al Qaeda in its most expansive reading. The US and UK have demonstrated that we are not the countries in need of "additional protocols" to properly extend human rights where they belong - and the countries in need (oh, about 140 of them) will never follow them anyway. but this is getting absurd - and now we've tried this game: just execute the motherf---ers.

This is EXACTLY what you get when you fight terrorism using the court system, which is EXACTLY what the Clintons did and EXACTLY what Obama wants us to do!

In all seriousness, sometimes these things happen because of the folks above our paygrade for a reason, he might lead us to a jackpot!

They used to do this.

re: #28 Charles

Make sure you have the latest version of the Flash player. I think there may be an incompatibility with the Redlasso.com video that's on the front page, and earlier versions of the Flash player.

Thanks Charles, that fixed it.

Has the whole freakin world gone crazy? Gay marriages constitutional, Guantanamo Bay prisoners have the same rights as Americans, the AP, right wings smears over the "Whitey" tape and now this! What's next electing BHO as POTUS..oh wait I guess it isn't over yet!

Sorry about the OT, but it seems Mozilla had no idea that their servers would be overloaded on "Download Day". Unbelievable.

wth :(

re: #40 Hard Right

The broad confusion of society today is what concerns/amazes me the most. We have such a failure to see anything clearly today.

Its as if someone rapes your mother, then you sit around trying to figure out if somehow we deprived him of enough sex in normal methods. Bottom line there is that it doesn't matter WHY he raped your mother...the s.o.b. raped your mother!

re: #51 Sparkizzy

Sorry about the OT, but it seems Mozilla had no idea that their servers would be overloaded on "Download Day". Unbelievable.

Did they release Firefox 3?

That is such lunacy, but no loger surprising.

The self-deprecating British government might one day rethink their ridiculous tactics of appeasement.

Unfortunately, it might be around the moment when their heads are all on the chopping block.

He has been convicted twice in Jordan in his absence for conspiracy to carry out bomb attacks on two hotels in Amman in 1998, and providing finance and advice for a series of bomb attacks in Jordan planned to coincide with the Millennium.

It was those convictions which allowed him to argue in the Appeal Court he would not get a fair treatment in his home country.

With the prospect of extradition removed, the Ministry of Justice has been forced to release him by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Let me try to straighten this out:

BECAUSE he's a convicted mass-murderer, Britain is thereby somehow compelled to let him out of prison?

WTF?

He argument is, "I was convicted of mass murder back in my home country. So, if you send me back there, I will be treated badly!"

Britain's reply is, "Gee, you poor baby! They might throw you in jail or something! We will reward you for your mass-murderous activities by letting you roam freely about Britain! And verily, while we're at it, he's some welfare money!"

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, but I can't find it.

re: #48 ploome hineni

There is an odd "politcal elite" fraternity between the PLO and most Israeli Governments that noone really talks about, which gives the PLO Officials special rights and priviledges, etc.

Re # 44 kulthur

Several of my friends were discussing that very possibility the other day. Will the military now adopt just such a policy?

“Osama bin Laden’s right hand man in Europe,”

So which hand do they wipe with again?

re: #46 'Nam Grunt

In all seriousness, sometimes these things happen because of the folks above our paygrade for a reason, he might lead us to a jackpot!

And some times, people above our paygrade cant find their ass with a map, compass, GPS unit and a guide to show them where it is.

Hopefully he will be released long enough to have an "accident". I'd prefer they would slip in the prison shower, but...

It is becoming painfully obvious that our collective judiciaries are unable to cope with terrorists operating under a flagless organization. So, they need to be martyred before they can enter our systems. Everybody wins that way.

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta go eat some lunch and then worry some more over why my Oncologist hasn't called me with my test results yet
(over 2+ years, never called later than 10:00 AM with test results - something like 18 test results,too!).
Gah.
Anyway, I sure hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

re: #63 ointmentfly

Maybe you'll get your chance when he comes to the U.S. on a speaking tour.

re: #60 redheadredstate

Re # 44 kulthur

Several of my friends were discussing that very possibility the other day. Will the military now adopt just such a policy?

no

re: #64 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta go eat some lunch and then worry some more over why my Oncologist hasn't called me with my test results yet
(over 2+ years, never called later than 10:00 AM with test results - something like 18 test results,too!).
Gah.
Anyway, I sure hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

PLEASE let us know as soon as you can.

I know this has been said before, but:

Britain's toast.

Criminey, the sun decides to stop emitting solar flares, and all the sudden we get:

1 Obama the nominee
2 Beckel given a bigger microphone
3 repeated discussions of "intelligent design"
4 global freezing and all kinds of natural disasters
5 collective worldwide governmental insanity

If it's not the sun falling dark, it's something else.

These same Brits took 9 days to convict two Muslim gang bangers who killed the wrong brother in his bed at his home.
9 days!
Were there threats on the jurors?
9 days!?
[Link: news.sky.com...]

Two gunmen have been found guilty of murdering innocent teenager Michael Dosunmu after mistaking him for his brother. Mohammed Sannoh and Abdi Omar Noor shot the 15-year-old in his bed in February last year. Michael was asleep in his bedroom - that he shared with his brother Hakeem - at his home in Peckham, south London, when the pair burst in with a sub-machine gun.

Oh, and here I thought all gun crimes were history now that gun ownership is nearly impossible in the UK.

Charles, I think I found a bug.
Here's the process.
1. I submit a spin-off link.
2. I refresh the current thread.
3. My "Web site:" text field is now filled with the spin-off link instead of my blogspot link that's usually there.
FYI
Clicking on 'My Account' shows that my blogspot link is still in the "Home page:" text field. Returning to the thread will result in the correct link (my blogspot link) in the "Web site:" text field.
Have at it!

Maybe they're releasing him to be tailed. . .

Didn't they pull this stunt successfully with one of the big dogs in Afghanistan?

/OK probably not, but you can always hope.

re: #46 'Nam Grunt
I hope this is true. It is very hard to think home security would not be watching him 24/7.

It would be nice if we could find an EU directive that mandates this kind of stupidity.

At least the Japanese still know how to deal with killers.

/let them swing

Is self-loathing in the water over there?

re: #74 godfrey

It would be nice if we could find an EU directive that mandates this kind of stupidity.

It's called the eu constitution.

Since this guy was complicit in 9/11, advising the hijackers, shouldn't the U.S have an extradition request?
We would have to agree bot to execute him, but we could lock him up for life, serve him only bacon & play the sound track from "Fiddler on the Roof' 24X7!

re: #75 taxfreekiller

Real world stuff.

re: #75 taxfreekiller

#46

the ones above my pay grade almost got us killed about 20 times
then we said, f'n, and no longer gave our real info to any one,
for sure our lz's info, the pay grade loons had spy's on their f'n staff

NVA among the ARVN?

re: #73 snowcrash

The push is on more heavily to get Osama, and this guy could lead us to the POS!

Unfortunately we are nearing a time when we will have to change our expectations.

Stories like this, or the SCOTUS decision last week, or the election of a Leftist naive, will become the usual and customary.

Common sense good news may become rare and unexpected.

re: #79 opnion

Since this guy was complicit in 9/11, advising the hijackers, shouldn't the U.S have an extradition request?
We would have to agree bot to execute him, but we could lock him up for life, serve him only bacon & play the sound track from "Fiddler on the Roof' 24X7!

Our Supremes would probably rule we do not have standing in the case?

From a risk versus reward stand point, there seems to be no point in taking these assholes prisoner. Once they've been captured and identified, kill them. It worked with Che.

re: #73 snowcrash

I hope this is true. It is very hard to think home security would not be watching him 24/7.

I would think they're running out of people to watch them all.

Maybe they are going to drop him off in front of the Jordanian embassy?

Where the gates are open and the firing squad is ready?

/works for me......

Does England understand that the rulings of our Supreme court have no force to be complied with by other countries? It is only America that is supposed to be releasing self professed infidel clean up crews.

re: #57 zombie

The leftist British government feels "guilty" for all of its industry and Western progress. They feel that Britain DESERVES to be destroyed. They can empathize with a murderous Islamist who only wants to enact justice upon them. After all, they feel they deserve it.

Hmmm..."I can't get a fair trial there because I have outstanding judgments against me." Gotta remember that one. Talk about your chutzpah.

re: #57 zombie

You got it. Moreover, think about how this decision incentivizes ME governments to play good cop bad cop with terrorism. A terrorist from us? We'll kill him! (applause from faction A.) What, you're going to kill him because we're being mean? Okay, we won't kill him! (applause from faction B.) We can play both sides! Our reelection and foreign support is assured!

How do you join the 7/7 victims welcoming committee?

re: #65 WrathofG-d

Maybe you'll get your chance when he comes to the U.S. on a speaking tour.

If he makes it here without MI5 or the CIA killing him, I will be moving to a mountain top in Idaho surrounded by a flaming oil moat because it will indicate that we have truly thrown in the towel.

Hummm. So the authorities are going to monitor him for 22 hours /day.

Guess the other 2 hours are his to use as he pleases....

Moonbats

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

Waterboard them to get any info they might have first. Then do 'em and dump 'em. No appeals, no problems.

re: #14 Beobachter

What would Obama do?

Make him one of his advisors on faith.

/he's a cleric

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

Did they release Firefox 3?

Ward -

Sorta Kinda. I'm using it now. "3RC5" as i recall. It is faster, though not compatible with everything yet. Have kept FF 2 in the machine for those applications.

-S-

What the hell is wrong with Britain?

From wikipedia:

Abû-Qatâda al-Filisṭînî (Arabic: أبو قتادة الفلسطي& #1606;ي‎), sometimes called Abû-Omar (ابو عمر) is a Muslim who has been accused of terrorist activities by a number of governments[1]. Under the name Omar Mahmoud Othman (عمر محمود عثمان), he is under worldwide embargo by the United Nations Security Council Committee 1267[2] for his affiliation with al-Qaeda. He is wanted on terrorism charges in Algeria[3], the United States, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and his native Jordan[4].

Is there no way that he can sent to one (any) of these other countries?

With any luck he'll be dead before he gets in the taxi.

re: #57 zombie

It's because they won't extradite someone to a country where that person could be executed for what they've been accused of or "can't find real justice" with the caveat meaning "justice system like ours". Arrogant self loathing bastards...

IMO when a nation says it will not take a life to protect it's citizens that nation's government has effectively committed suicide, the only question is : fast road to cultural death or slow roast? Microwave or BBQ?

re: #100 Ringo the Gringo,

Someone might be mean to him if they extradited him. It's much better to keep him in Britain where they can be sure no one hurts his feelings.

*spit*

re: #84 Nevergiveup

Our Supremes would probably rule we do not have standing in the case?

Unfortunately, that is not far fetched. They seem to be usurping Executive & Legislative authority on the WOT.
Lord help us if Obama appoints the next justices. I have a feeling that three of them are hanging on, so that a Democrat will replace them.

Evil Overlord rule number 64:

I will see a competent psychiatrist and get cured of all extremely unusual phobias and bizarre compulsive habits which could prove to be a disadvantage.

re: #94 ointmentfly

um dude, have you not been paying attention to whom the U.S. allows to come the U.S. and speak on our college campuses?

Those people make absolutely no sense at all any more.

Can we remane the whole country now? Islam did say they were going to take the UK over first. I'd say it's a fait accompli at this point. Can we just call it Britainistan now?

re: #99 Dr. Shalit

Ward -

Sorta Kinda. I'm using it now. "3RC5" as i recall. It is faster, though not compatible with everything yet. Have kept FF 2 in the machine for those applications.

-S-

Ah, okay. I'm waiting for the release version.

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

Make him one of his advisors on faith.

/he's a cleric

That's the ticket.

re: #110 taxfreekiller

Question:

Do you think that if Ms Ginsberg of the U.S. Supreme court was on rotation to be called up to serve on in a U.S. Marine rifle company in Iraq in say the next 6 months that she would be so nice to ones of terror?

keep it simple like that

And make her carry one of those icky rifles?

This is just like letting a level 5 sex offender out of jail.

You know he's going to rape again, but you're told maybe he'll be okay this time.

re: #101 buzzsawmonkey

Christ.... Imagine the praying going on if our gov't workers had the same work rules....

re: #106 opnion

Unfortunately, that is not far fetched. They seem to be usurping Executive & Legislative authority on the WOT.
Lord help us if Obama appoints the next justices. I have a feeling that three of them are hanging on, so that a Democrat will replace them.

It's not a feeling. FWIU it's a fact.

re: #113 ploome hineni

I never liked Judy COllins..couldn;t get what people see in her

You're not a fan of shrill, off-key singing I take it.

re: #109 vapig

Those people make absolutely no sense at all any more.

Can we remane the whole country now? Islam did say they were going to take the UK over first. I'd say it's a fait accompli at this point. Can we just call it Britainistan now?

I'd go with Wimplistan. The honourable name of Britain should not be tainted with the suffix -stan.

re: #100 Ringo the Gringo

Theoretically we could extradite him as long as we promised not to execute him...

The PC idea that one cannot extradite criminals because they will be punished guarantees your country will be a magnet for International murders. Wonderful.
/whom. i wonder if that logic applies to our borders. amnesty

re: #110 taxfreekiller

Question:

Do you think that if Ms Ginsberg of the U.S. Supreme court was on rotation to be called up to serve on in a U.S. Marine rifle company in Iraq in say the next 6 months that she would be so nice to ones of terror?

keep it simple like that

Justice Ginsberg has some rather unusual ideas. She has written that the age of consent should be uniformly 12 years old. Genius!

re: #102 ploome hineni

Que pasa? Too much.

I was pleased to see Ireland giving Brussels the sod off. Plus, Portugal is doing well. They defeated Turkey 2-0.

Charles: I'm surprised you didn't write "Shocka!"

(drive-by posting, sorry)

As seen on Slashdot. Modded up, surprisingly:

I walk past a car at my work's parking lot that has Bush stickers all over it. I have fantasies about keying the holy living shit out of that car as I pass it.

Well, that about sums it up, doesn't it? Your actual desire, when someone else expresses their opinion, is to be violent. My desire, when I see a car loaded up with "random acts of beauty," "peace happens," and "war is not the answer" stickers is to actually talk to the platitude-dealing pollyanna involved and get a sense of how they think, for exmaple, that their random acts of beauty and kindness might change a local Taliban franchise's boss into someone who no longer likes to kill women showing up to work as a teacher and showing young girls how to read. How was "war not the answer" when Germany was rolling over Europe? How exactly was peace going to "happen" in the Balkans as Muslims were being ethnically "cleansed" from their villages with Serbian machine guns?

Unlike you, whose first instinct - however well reined in for fear of being caught - is to vandalize the property of someone you hate, I'm more inclined to either roll my eyes, or actually communicate. I do appreciate your so nicely illustrating the shrill, tantrum-like thought process that drives so much of the politics on the left. It's entirely about rudderless emotions, drama, and cheap, sophomoric, fair-weather outrage that's anything but constructive... and shows that the pretense of disliking partisanship is completely disengenuous. It's true of you, and it's true of the current presidential candidate from the left. Hot air. It's not about getting anything done, it's entirely about how much you don't like someone else. "Change We Can Believe In" is the most empty bit of meaningless rhetoric I've ever heard, since it avoids, at all costs, any actual specificity lest the people that utter it get caught showing the real foundation of their idealogy. No need to of course, since the portrait you painted of how your brain works when exposed to nothing more than the name of a political opponent handily demonstrates the actual nature of most political thinking on the left: it's about actual hate, or about craven pandering to that hate as a way to power.

On days like this, I'm proud to be a geek!

re: #71 bosforus

Charles, I think I found a bug.
Here's the process.
1. I submit a spin-off link.
2. I refresh the current thread.
3. My "Web site:" text field is now filled with the spin-off link instead of my blogspot link that's usually there.
FYI
Clicking on 'My Account' shows that my blogspot link is still in the "Home page:" text field. Returning to the thread will result in the correct link (my blogspot link) in the "Web site:" text field.
Have at it!

I have noticed that before. I just figured I was screwing up somehow.

re: #118 David Simon

You're not a fan of shrill, off-key singing I take it.

Must prefer Yoko Ono

re: #53 WrathofG-d

The broad confusion of society today is what concerns/amazes me the most. We have such a failure to see anything clearly today.

Its as if someone rapes your mother, then you sit around trying to figure out if somehow we deprived him of enough sex in normal methods. Bottom line there is that it doesn't matter WHY he raped your mother...the s.o.b. raped your mother!

Exactly. What's stunning is that even when it's so clear our enemies see it, our fellow Americans can't. It's maddening.

re: #103 bosforus

With any luck he'll be dead before he gets in the taxi.

Beaten to death by soccer hooligans.

re: #108 WrathofG-d

um dude, have you not been paying attention to whom the U.S. allows to come the U.S. and speak on our college campuses?

I hear ya, but this guy is a bit more special than the average apologist / supporter and he has made a mockery of the UK justice system.

No doubt he will recieve a hero's welcome at the Finsbury Park mosque.

Is England trying to commit suicide?

re: #122 ploome hineni

lol
hahahahah

was that it?

I saw her perform live once (compulsory work outing) a little over ten years ago. Positively awful.

re: #123 opnion

Justice Ginsberg has some rather unusual ideas. She has written that the age of consent should be uniformly 12 years old. Genius!

She also feels we should base our rights off of those Europe has. What an evil person.

re: #123 opnion

"Uniformly," i.e. across species? I'd think dog years would present a problem, but maybe her clerks have some factored in some ingenious method of indexing so all species will get a fair shake. Diversity!

re: #68 zombie

For sure. I posted a link in "Britain" in the spin off links about how they have a new program for 'housing professionals' (I read that as public housing counsellors) to do better outreach to the Muslim community. Apparently-there is NOT ENOUGH freeloading going on among the "Asian" community in Britain-not enough welfare fraud, polygamous marriages with multi-welfare recipients in the same families, etc...so they just want to make sure these folks get a nice healthy chunk of public housing.

re: #104 anotherindyfilmguy

It's because they won't extradite someone to a country where that person could be executed for what they've been accused of or "can't find real justice" with the caveat meaning "justice system like ours". Arrogant self loathing bastards...

IMO when a nation says it will not take a life to protect it's citizens that nation's government has effectively committed suicide, the only question is : fast road to cultural death or slow roast? Microwave or BBQ?

Our left and the EU (the UK included) hamstrung us in the same way over Gitmo. Bush wanted to empty the place out and return the thugs back to their own countries when these morons started screaming about human rights and how their home countries would be mean to the prisoners.

Nice - they got the best of both worlds! Whine that we held them and whine if we tried to send the home. Now our supremes have essentially given them US citizenship. Same with the illegals. Hell! We're all one big happy one-world family - let's give US citizenship rights to EVERYBODY!

I hate the left - they are the same flavor no matter what country they hail from.

re: #135 Hard Right

Please God, move her and Justice Stevens to retire soon!

re: #139 Macker

Please God, move her and Justice Stevens to retire soon!

Yes, please. You want bitter and clingy? Those two are prime examples.

re: #101 buzzsawmonkey

Who Knows Where the Time Goes?

I used to export to Egyptian oil companies. The time is spent using their authority to extract bribes. Their salary only pays them to get to the desk in the morning. Once they sit down their store is open for business, and the graft begins....

re: #128 opnion

Must prefer Yoko Ono

So Yoko Ono is okay for masochism for not for encouraging interrogation subjects to talk?

re: #127 coquimbojoe

I have noticed that before. I just figured I was screwing up somehow.

I've noticed it for a while too and thought the same. But my self-esteem could only take so much blame.

re: #135 Hard Right

She also feels we should base our rights off of those Europe has. What an evil person.

Right on. When the Court looks to case law, they are first supposed to look to U. S decisions. Justices like Breyer & Ginsburg more & more look to Europe. They know better but they think that Europe is so freaking sophisticated.

Because Jordan, his home country, has convicted this "truly dangerous individual" of crimes he committed, a British court has decided he would not be treated "fairly" there, and so they let him free.

Has the world gone absolutely mad?

re: #119 The Other Les

I'd go with Wimplistan. The honourable name of Britain should not be tainted with the suffix -stan.

Weeeell? Maybe is their proud name is bastardized they get off their keesters and take it back!

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Imagine the preying going on since our government workers don't.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if our government workers had the same work rules as the Egyptians, though probably without the prayer. It's just that we have so many more government workers some things still manage to get done.

Shall we start an ACLU chapter in Egypt to get prayer out of the workplace and maybe teach them about the 2 beer lunch and the 4 pm happy hour? Might loosen them up a bit..... Oh, thats right...the ACLU is only anti - christian.

re: #128 opnion

Must prefer Yoko Ono

Oh my, now that's another league. I still remember that kiss, kiss, kiss song. She sounded like a cat in heat.

re: #134 David Simon

I saw her perform live once (compulsory work outing) a little over ten years ago. Positively awful.

A compulsory work outing? That must've been some company.

re: #144 opnion

Right on. When the Court looks to case law, they are first supposed to look to U. S decisions. Justices like Breyer & Ginsburg more & more look to Europe. They know better but they think that Europe is so freaking sophisticated.

It's not fair for us to have rights others don't. Waaaaaaah.
These people are evil. Not the same way Ted Bundy or Hitler was, but still evil.

re: #147 vapig

Weeeell? Maybe is their proud name is bastardized they get off their keesters and take it back!

Whatever...

re: #149 David Simon

Oh my, now that's another league. I still remember that kiss, kiss, kiss song. She sounded like a cat in heat.

Or someone ironing a cat.

re: #149 David Simon

Oh my, now that's another league. I still remember that kiss, kiss, kiss song. She sounded like a cat in heat.

Must...not...recall...Aughhhhhhh!

re: #8 Barking Pumpkin

It was nice knowing you England.

It's not England I'm worried about.

re: #150 Ward Cleaver

A compulsory work outing? That must've been some company.

California penal?

re: #150 Ward Cleaver

Probably less painful than 'sensitivity training'.

re: #68 zombie

I know this has been said before, but:

Britain's toast.

Nope - its not 'Britain' which is toast, its NuLabour which has tried its best to make our country toast. And we're not there yet! The government is not = the country.
And I sincerely hope you look at outexample and study it well - because this is precisely what will happen to your country once BHO is elected.
So beware - and please do not regard us Britons as being at one with the 'dear leader' Gordon Brown from NuLab!

re: #136 godfrey

"Uniformly," i.e. across species? I'd think dog years would present a problem, but maybe her clerks have some factored in some ingenious method of indexing so all species will get a fair shake. Diversity!

Excellent point. Turtle longevity presents a whole nother problem

Rush was playing clips of Algore from last night.

Bush is now responsible for tainted pet food from China and salmonella in tomatoes.

Really.

Change!

re: #145 taxfreekiller

YOU SAID IT.

A billion updings to TFK.

re: #130 Ward Cleaver

Beaten to death by soccer hooligans.

I think they're all hooligan-ing in Austria and Switzerland at the moment for Euro2008. Actually, since England didn't qualify (ha!), maybe there are some pissed off hooligans up for the job.

re: #149 David Simon

Oh my, now that's another league. I still remember that kiss, kiss, kiss song. She sounded like a cat in heat.

Remember that John Lennon/Yoko Ono Double Fantasy album? I had it on cassette, and I would fast forward over all the Yoko Ono songs.

The problem I have with international constitutional law isn't the discussion of it. We should probably expect that different courts in different countries might very well arrive from time to time at the same conclusions from constitutional principles, case law, and reasoning. Sure, convene your conferences, establish your journals, and discuss.

What grates is that these commonalities are then rushed to publicity by the revolting partisans of the World Government Idea, as if everyone should be ready and willing to chuck "national" constitutions at the earliest possible moment in favor of some "supranational" constitution that would put the Correct Ideological People on the World Court, to legislate from the bench, supreme in every sense of the word.

The underlying issue in comparative international law is this laying the groundwork for power and domination.

re: #158 yma o hyd,

One advantage we have over you is that, thanks to hard work on our part, we still are an armed populace. They can only go so far, so long as we are armed.

re: #149 David Simon

Oh my, now that's another league. I still remember that kiss, kiss, kiss song. She sounded like a cat in heat.

I know the one that you are talking about. A complete abomination

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

Remember that John Lennon/Yoko Ono Double Fantasy album? I had it on cassette, and I would fast forward over all the Yoko Ono songs.

I had that one on eight-track cartridge.

re: #100 Ringo the Gringo

As long as NuLabour is in power?
Ya gotta be joking!

re: #166 opnion

I know the one that you are talking about. A complete Oabomination

Couldn't resist.

re: #129 Hard Right

I believe it to be the result of too much success and freedoms. (if one can have either). Since Americans' worst day is better off than most of the words greatest, our relationship to reality is askew. We have had it so good that we can no longer relate to the true evil that exists in the "real" world. Thus when we see it, we cannot accept it, and thus we make excuses for it.

This is the result of living in America where (B'H) our "poor" have small homes, a black & white t.v., eat too much, have an old playstation, worn out footballs, old shoes, dirty clothing, working plumbing, and get a Government check. (the actual poor have no home, no clothes, no t.v., no food, and poo in a hole)

Yoko Ono can sing? Is that what that's called?

re: #138 vapig

Our left and the EU (the UK included) hamstrung us in the same way over Gitmo. Bush wanted to empty the place out and return the thugs back to their own countries when these morons started screaming about human rights and how their home countries would be mean to the prisoners.

Nice - they got the best of both worlds! Whine that we held them and whine if we tried to send the home. Now our supremes have essentially given them US citizenship. Same with the illegals. Hell! We're all one big happy one-world family - let's give US citizenship rights to EVERYBODY!

I hate the left - they are the same flavor no matter what country they hail from.

Just so!
As I said above - this is what will happen in the USA once BHO is elected. Don't think it won't - and what's worse, all the moonbats will applaud because if you're white you're guilty - of everything.

hope this sentiment won't get deleted, but please let's just interrogate them on the battlefield and then execute them on the spot.
-------------------------------------
That would be murder..
I say capture them..
Question them..
put them on trial..
hang the guilty..
release the innocent..
If we had been doing that for the last 5 years the SC wouldn't even be in play right now..
Instead we give lawyers 5 years to wind this through the federal court system with clients that should have been dead 3-5 years ago.
Give a good lawyer enough time and even OJ can be found not guilty.

re: #165 Iron Fist

,

One advantage we have over you is that, thanks to hard work on our part, we still are an armed populace. They can only go so far, so long as we are armed.

That means anything only so long as we are willing to use them. No, I'm not calling for or threatening violence.
However, I think we will see some if the SCOTUS ignores the Constitution again and applies the "collective right" pov to the 2nd.

re: #164 godfrey

The problem I have with international constitutional law isn't the discussion of it. We should probably expect that different courts in different countries might very well arrive from time to time at the same conclusions from constitutional principles, case law, and reasoning. Sure, convene your conferences, establish your journals, and discuss.

What grates is that these commonalities are then rushed to publicity by the revolting partisans of the World Government Idea, as if everyone should be ready and willing to chuck "national" constitutions at the earliest possible moment in favor of some "supranational" constitution that would put the Correct Ideological People on the World Court, to legislate from the bench, supreme in every sense of the word.

The underlying issue in comparative international law is this laying the groundwork for power and domination.

It is only appropriate to look to another common law country, if precednt is not available in U.S decisions. They learned that in law school , but they have apparently move to another level.
They seem tio think that when they treat something as appropriate that it is ipso facto appropriate

re: #158 yma o hyd

Nope - its not 'Britain' which is toast, its NuLabour which has tried its best to make our country toast. And we're not there yet! The government is not = the country.
And I sincerely hope you look at outexample and study it well - because this is precisely what will happen to your country once BHO is elected.
So beware - and please do not regard us Britons as being at one with the 'dear leader' Gordon Brown from NuLab!

I, for one, an heartily glad to hear it! We are here for you!

Hey Killgore Trout, are you here? You were in London not long ago. What do you think the average man on the street will think about these headlines? Is there any protest or is it just accepted?

It was those convictions which allowed him to argue in the Appeal Court he would not get a fair treatment in his home country.

And it is even more sickening to see these scumbags take advantage of those very laws they would like to see replaced with Sharia.

re: #150 Ward Cleaver

A compulsory work outing? That must've been some company.

I never did get it. Instead of spending money on vile picnic food and tickets to see a talentless chanteuse, put it in my paycheck and let me go home.

re: #170 WrathofG-d

I believe it to be the result of too much success and freedoms. (if one can have either). Since Americans' worst day is better off than most of the words greatest, our relationship to reality is askew. We have had it so good that we can no longer relate to the true evil that exists in the "real" world. Thus when we see it, we cannot accept it, and thus we make excuses for it.

This is the result of living in America where (B'H) our "poor" have small homes, a black & white t.v., eat too much, have an old playstation, worn out footballs, old shoes, dirty clothing, working plumbing, and get a Government check. (the actual poor have no home, no clothes, no t.v., no food, and poo in a hole)

Fat, happy, and stupid is what I call it. We have become too soft and scream when anything isn't soft enough for us.

re: #146 reine.de.tout

Because Jordan, his home country, has convicted this "truly dangerous individual" of crimes he committed, a British court has decided he would not be treated "fairly" there, and so they let him free.

Has the world gone absolutely mad?

Yep - it has.
The title is 'Human Rights' - what that means ahs been explained here many times by buzzsawmonkey.
Its dead simple - victims are guilty, and the villains and criminals are the real victims.
Easy, innit ...

re: #174 Hard Right

That means anything only so long as we are willing to use them. No, I'm not calling for or threatening violence.
However, I think we will see some if the SCOTUS ignores the Constitution again and applies the "collective right" pov to the 2nd.

I think we'll see massive civil disobediance if the SC fucks up the Heller decision. I just wish they'd get it over with and release the opinion. I hope either Clarence Thomas or Judge Alito writes the opinion for the Majority.

Hope!

re: #157 WriterMom

Probably less painful than 'sensitivity training'.

Barely.

re: #9 SeafoodGumbo

I think Amy Winehouse is the head of security over there now.

LOL! great!

re: #170 WrathofG-d

. . .This is the result of living in America where (B'H) our "poor" have small homes, a black & white t.v., eat too much, have an old playstation, worn out footballs, old shoes, dirty clothing, working plumbing, and get a Government check. (the actual poor have no home, no clothes, no t.v., no food, and poo in a hole)

Actually, here's how the "poor" live in this country:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Notice the SUV-sized TV owned by this "poor" person in public housing

re: #160 JammieWearingFool

Rush was playing clips of Algore from last night.

Bush is now responsible for tainted pet food from China and salmonella in tomatoes.

Really.

Change!

I'll just recall that Clinton and Gore were "responsible" for the Chinese getting their hands on US navy sub tech. And missile tech.

And Pakistan went nuclear under their watch. And AQ Khan.

And al Qaeda was ascendant under their "watch."

If we want to play this game, I think we can find that Clinton and Gore fare much worse.

re: #172 yma o hyd

Just so!
As I said above - this is what will happen in the USA once BHO is elected. Don't think it won't - and what's worse, all the moonbats will applaud because if you're white you're guilty - of everything.

Our best hope is the disenfranchised Hilary supporters. Several (million, I hope) I've heard say they will be voting for McCain.

Makes sense - he's more their guy than ours anyway.....;^P

re: #169 Hard Right

Couldn't resist.

Better. The woman was Lennon's Dominatrix so kept giving her spots on his albums. Profoundly painful.

re: #173 HoosierHoops

hope this sentiment won't get deleted, but please let's just interrogate them on the battlefield and then execute them on the spot.
-------------------------------------
That would be murder..
I say capture them..
Question them..
put them on trial..
hang the guilty..
release the innocent..
If we had been doing that for the last 5 years the SC wouldn't even be in play right now..
Instead we give lawyers 5 years to wind this through the federal court system with clients that should have been dead 3-5 years ago.
Give a good lawyer enough time and even OJ can be found not guilty.

It was thanks to the Dems and the lawyers that we couldn't do the above.

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

Remember that John Lennon/Yoko Ono Double Fantasy album? I had it on cassette, and I would fast forward over all the Yoko Ono songs.

Then you weren't subjected to the kiss kiss kiss song. I always knew you were a clever guy.

He will not be allowed a mobile phone or access to the internet and the bail conditions include a long list of Islamic radicals with whom he is banned from communicating, including Osama bin Laden.

Great, but did he pinky-swear to it?

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I really want to know why this man is still alive. I cant think of one valid reason he should not be room temperature.

The British would release OBL, too, if they got him. They would fear the backlash from their massive fifth column, if a hair in his smelly beard were mishandled.

re: #165 Iron Fist

,

One advantage we have over you is that, thanks to hard work on our part, we still are an armed populace. They can only go so far, so long as we are armed.

Absolutely!
Whereas here, thanks to our progressive laws, not even sportspeople (who train for the Olympic Games) can own their guns.
Its only the criminals who own the guns, because they don't give a toss about the law anyway.

re: #188 opnion

Better. The woman was Lennon's Dominatrix so kept giving her spots on his albums. Profoundly painful.

I saw some nude pics of her. Almost as painful as her singing. Lennon must have fried his brain by that time.

And even worse, this sort of thing could happen anywhere in the West. This is how far we have descended. 911 was seven years ago, but we still live in the pre-911 era, and, unfortunately, that is where we'll stay, because lawyers, judges and human rights activists will fight tooth and nail to prevent the laws from being changed, meaning more piles of trash like him will get released in the future.

re: #145 taxfreekiller

Ah. San Franciso Democrats!

re: #158 yma o hyd

The problem is "can you throw out the goevernment that is trying to destroy your nation"?
If not then the rest is a moot point.

PIMF...

According to a Home Office dossier, between 1995 and 1999 Qatada used his base at the Four Feathers Social Club in Baker Street, central London to issue a series of influential fatwas [religious rulings] which supported the killing of non-believers.

Anyone see some irony here?

The Four Feathers was a movie about valiant British Army officers taking on Islamist goons (Mahdi army in Sudan).

re: #185 reine.de.tout

WOW. that video was gnarly. I have spent some time in N.O., I've discussed my experiences on LGF often. They are the worst of the worst.

Hmmm - Just realized today is the 1-year anniversary of my LGF registration. Happy Birthday to me!

re: #177 snowcrash

There won't be any protests on the streets.
But you can be sure of one thing - the silent and the not quite so silent any more people will chalk this up as another reason for putting the boot into NuLab at the next General Election.
Expect a landslide - Boris' victory in London was only the beginning ...

Hey Y'all, remember SPITWADS? It gets worse: as of today,

John Kerry: Osama Bin Laden Has Habeas Rights?

On a conference call with John Kerry and Richard Clarke, Bill Sammon of the Washington Examiner asked: "They've said if UBL were captured and detained at Gitmo, Obama would want to give him habeas corpus rights. They [the McCain campaign] said that this morning. Would he? In other words should UBL have the same rights that were granted, you know, by the Supreme Court last week to other terrorists?"

Sen. Kerry replied:

Let me answer that on several levels. This is John Kerry. First of all the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that they have those rights. This is not Barack Obama. This is the Supreme Court of the United States. If John McCain were president, he would have to give them those rights. This is a phony argument. And it is typical of what the Republican playbook is, which is say anything no matter what the other side has said. Just say it. And enough people may believe it unless you folks write the truth and write it boldly and clearly.

When Kerry says that the Supreme Court has "ruled that they have those rights," is Osama bin Laden included in the word "they"? It sure sounded like it to me. Though it would be a lot easier to "write the truth and write it boldly and clearly" if Kerry's grammar were a little clearer.

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

re: #200 WrathofG-d

WOW. that video was gnarly. I have spent some time in N.O., I've discussed my experiences on LGF often. They are the worst of the worst.

NO is where I was born, and my grandparents lived there the whole time I was growing up. It is so very sad to have known the New Orleans of the 60's and 70's, to see what it has become today.

# 145 - TFK

"Cowards"

After reading a little too much Anatoliy Golitsyn I'm beginning to think it isn't a passive character flaw, but active subversion - it's all a little too consistent and coincidental for me....

"Non-state unlawful enemy combatants"

A shorter version of the legal implications of this is: legally speaking, they don't exist. They are simply not spoken of; the law is silent; they are in a legal blindspot; they are outside the Venn diagram. Implicitly, the law encourages individuals to get themselves within the broad framework of international law; in fact, without serious strenuous, probably fanatical effort, it is almost impossible to find oneself outside of its framework. One must will oneself out of these laws. Clearly Al Qaeda does this.

The question of whether or not simply by virtue of being human beings, or at least born that way, Al Qaeda members should go from (again legally speaking) non-persons to full citizens of the USA or beneficiaries of the UK's always absurd asylum policy (please review that) is not one that should just be popped out of a set of judicial opinions without regard to the signatory nations or their populaces. "Oh, well, right - they don't seem to have put you in here, Osama, I guess that makes you...British born and raised? Right." And this is not a question of simple legal implication - "though they don't explicitly talk about Qaeda-type organizations these other definitions for other categories of combatants suggest this..." The international regime was very deliberately and carefully adopted, and Al Qaeda and other "non-state" actors clearly cannot qualify for crucial parts of those laws.

It'd be great if like Teddy Roosevelt were up for the Repub nomination. All what I say above shouldn't be controversial in the least in light of the law - except, of course, the subverters can make a lot of trouble and know in advance exactly where the weak points are of the political system...

Isn't it amazing? Arab society doesn't seem to be able accomplish almost anything, and yet they seem to be really good at forcing a complete reorganization or self-humiliation of the Anglo-Saxon world.

Am I the only one who finds this highly suspicious?

i say release him @ 30K, so he can requal on his HANO cert.......

/obey gravity: it's the law. %-)

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

Remember that John Lennon/Yoko Ono Double Fantasy album? I had it on cassette, and I would fast forward over all the Yoko Ono songs.

What's funny about Yoko, is that she wrote a song saying that the rapists and murderers of Attica State prison were all "political prisoners" who should be "freed".

But every time the poor mental case who shot her husband ( who obviously needs "treee-atment" as a mental outpatient ( intone that the way Micheal Savage might, for effect) comes up for parole, she uses her high-priced lawyers to squash it. Obviously, those lawyers are out of the price range of the average Attica inmates victims' family.

re: #192 funkyfantom

Its not just the 'Fifth Column', unfortunately - its the EC, Brussels, and the European Court of Human Rights (yep, there is such an animal!) - and their decisions supersede the courts of the single countries ...

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Anyone see some irony here?

The Four Feathers was a movie about valiant British Army officers taking on Islamist goons (Mahdi army in Sudan).

And a very good movie it was, especially the battle scenes at Omdurman in the 1938 movie. And it started out with a magazine showing the death of General Gordon, which was later featured on the film Khartoum in 1966. Both films show Islamists as the barbaric fanatics they really are. And back in 1884/85, the Times correspondent for the Sudan was beheaded by these Islamist dervishes and fuzzy wuzzies.

re: #204 reine.de.tout

NO is where I was born, and my grandparents lived there the whole time I was growing up. It is so very sad to have known the New Orleans of the 60's and 70's, to see what it has become today.

I was born and raised there, as were my parents...it's systemic, this shit. It's why I moved out of state as soon as I could.

I miss the food, I miss my cousins and friends, but I don't miss the entitlement crowd. It's gotten worse since Katrina.

re: #197 anotherindyfilmguy

Oh yes we can - the legal way!
There are no fixed terms for a government here - general elections can be held at any time, but after five years at the latest.
Thus Prime Ministers sort of gamble when they call an early election - or are forced if they get a massive vote of no confidence in parliament.

Gordon Brown was going to call an election last October - he dithered, he became a laughing stock ever since, and (thank God) it looks as if we'll go to the polls either later this year or early next year: the economic situation and above all the political situation at home will see to that.
The Tories have a lead in the polls of about +/- 20% , won the last by-election with 53% of the otes, in a seat held by Labour for decades - oh yes, make no mistake, this country is not going to vote for moonbatty NuLab for a very very long time!
No matter what the MSM and the BBC are saying - nobody believes a word they say any longer.

re: #210 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I was born and raised there, as were my parents...it's systemic, this shit. It's why I moved out of state as soon as I could.

You and so very many others. I'm afraid BR is headed the same way.

I have been hoping for several years now that there was in existence an RFID type GPS transmitter the size of a grain of rice that you might implant under the skin of a terrorist under the guise of vaccinating the prisoner, so that upon his release he could be tracked and "otherwise dealt with" if/when necessary. GPS transmitters known to the public are too large for this purpose. If it exists, I think we would have seen a lot more terrorists (and their associates) killed in the past few years. I hope the relevant agencies in the US or Israel are working on it.

This gentleman would be a prime candidate.

Never thought I'd say this before after all that the UK has done for me and my immigrant family, I now want out. How do you get Green Cards?

Shizzle! You lot over the pond really have become the only bastion of freedom around these days. Can I join you please? please...

re: #214 solus

Never thought I'd say this before after all that the UK has done for me and my immigrant family, I now want out. How do you get Green Cards?

Shizzle! You lot over the pond really have become the only bastion of freedom around these days. Can I join you please? please...

Simple, you just cross the border from Mexico or Canada-drop an anchor baby and voila'.

re: #214 solus

Never thought I'd say this before after all that the UK has done for me and my immigrant family, I now want out. How do you get Green Cards?

Shizzle! You lot over the pond really have become the only bastion of freedom around these days. Can I join you please? please...

I'd wait til after the elections, though: if that Obamanation gets elected it'll be like out of the frying pan and into the fire - whereas the chanes that our next Government will be a Tory one are getting better every day. And the day of the General Election may be here sooner than NuLabour thinks ...

re: #216 yma o hyd

Aaah, true. There is nowhere then. Nice knowing you all!

re: #215 Hard Right

Isn't there a racist Nazi wall there these days like the evil one in 'Palestine'. Wouldn't I be butchered by racist Yankees? For fun?

re: #217 solus

Aaah, true. There is nowhere then. Nice knowing you all!

Heh. Gotta stand up and be counted - we can do that here as well as anywhere else - better, in fact!

Splendid isn't it. 5 paratroopers killed in action in afghanistan were flown back to the UK yesterday and today the taliban's buddy will be popping out for a balti. So much for the rule of law. It's never judges or politicians that get blown up on the tube or on a bus so they don't give a flying f*ck about anyone else, just as long as their 'principles' aren't sullied by common opinion.
It's alright for you yanks, I have to live here.

sounds like a job for Mitch Rapp...

Rarely are the Jawdroppers truly jaw dropping. You know, things like the New York Times giving away national security secrets - they are surprising only for their daring, but directionally there is nothing surprising. We know that the NY Times wants to undermine national defense (after all, New York would never be attacked, right?) Releasing a top Al Qaeda operative really is jawdropping.

Much like previous commenters thoughts on the SCOTUS ruling on Gitmo detainees, if they are going to be released, they should be released in Afghanistan .... with a 2 minute head start.

re: #219 yma o hyd

Sorry it all seems a bit like the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy to me, I've just been warned the world is coming to an end...

At least he'll get a nice house for his slaves, sorry, family and all around police protection, footed by me. (not exclusively obviously but you get my drift...)

re: #220 blueboy

All I'll say is - don't fall for the MSM propaganda and for what the Beeb says - they are all singing from the same songsheet.
People on the streets in our country think differently, and have given Gord the finger twice already, once in london, once in Cheshire.
So - no defeatism. As they say: an Englishman is slow to anger - but once he is angry, beware. The country is getting more and more angry by the day.

(The mother of the commanding officer of the five killed paras is a friend of mine - I knew him when he was a 14-year old brat ...)

re: #126 victor_yugo

(drive-by posting, sorry)

As seen on Slashdot. Modded up, surprisingly:

On days like this, I'm proud to be a geek!

Well, I wouldn't be so proud of the ever-so-witty responses he got, most of which were variations of "I know what you are, but what am I?".

Those spoiled children will be paying for our Social Security checks. Pleasant thought, ain't it?

Really, what's the difference? Civil courts don't work well for terrorists.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #208 yma o hyd

Its not just the 'Fifth Column', unfortunately - its the EC, Brussels, and the European Court of Human Rights (yep, there is such an animal!) - and their decisions supersede the courts of the single countries ...

Good point.

Winston Churchill defined appeasement as your feeding the crocodile in the hope that you will be eaten last.

The British authorities are releasing an Al Qaeda leader on the theory that after his release he will be involved in attacking people who are not in Britain. This is a form of "protectionist" warfare or betrayal against the free world that Britain is following in this instance that is not good for the free world, and if all countries in the free world did it Al Qaeda would make large advances against everyone.

The British authorities need to understand that either we all hang together or we shall all suffer very much.

I think I can allmost certianly say ,he wouldn't enjoy buta few
deep breathes of free,fresh air ....If he were released in , let's
say....
Utah, or Missouri or Alabama.....or............etc..

I haven't had time to read all 230+ comments, and I don't know if this quick comment was considered, but I once heard a right-wing commenter claim that these leaders are extremely useful on the loose as magnets for intelligence to shadow. Such leaders draw out the rabble that are actually interested in plotting attacks and carrying them out (of course the leaders keep their skin intact, they don't do the operations themselves). Then the authorities can follow the gangs carefully and thwart attacks pre-emptively. Occasionally the Brits do this with looney hate-preaching imams too - the better to keep a flowchart of the movements and meetings of those attracted to radical mosques.

The only reason I can glean NOT to barf, out of about a thousand to upchuck. And maybe the reason Osama is still at large.

Isn't this why Maverick missiles have TV cameras?

If there is any justice in the world, there will be a lead slug awaiting his release.

re: #233 rorschach

If there is any justice in the world, there will be a lead slug awaiting his release.

In London, it'll rather be a knife between the ribs. as thats the weapon of choice at the moment ...

re: #173 HoosierHoops

hope this sentiment won't get deleted, but please let's just interrogate them on the battlefield and then execute them on the spot.
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That would be murder..
I say capture them..
Question them..
put them on trial..
hang the guilty..
release the innocent..
If we had been doing that for the last 5 years the SC wouldn't even be in play right now..
Instead we give lawyers 5 years to wind this through the federal court system with clients that should have been dead 3-5 years ago.
Give a good lawyer enough time and even OJ can be found not guilty.

How can they be "innocent" if they're captured on a battlefield? hint: they're engaging in war. Either they are POWs, in which case they get interned until hostilities cease, or they're non-Geneva Convention compliant combatants, in which case they get treated as they are being treated now (except we've been told we can't do that). We're in some sort of Catch-22 here and it doesn't look good.

YMA IS RIGHT
I read this story in the Mail today. I won't repeat the language I was yelling at my laptop it made me so angry! It is complete insanity! How are we going to have enough teams for surveillance on this POS?
He will get around a lot of the restrictions. What's he doing in my country anyway?
This fiasco is one of Blairs nasty legacies. I bet this is all tied up with one of the most hated pieces of legislation - the EU Human Rights Act. Under it ordinary decent people have no rights at all (and that includes defending our property) and the scum/terrorists can get away with murder. The EU has been run for the benefit of a succession of French and German leaders, all of which have sought to be overlords of Europe with their countries benefitting the most from regulations they have set (the *common* agricultural policy being the most notorious) and ignoring them with impunity when it hasn't. It was also set up so that the French could give you (America) the finger and set themselves up as an economic and political force without having to actually be responsible for anything. The politicians that run it are unaccountable, irresponsible and provenly corrupt. In fact the EU accounts have not been signed off (by auditors) for something like 13 years!
Blair (and Brown and a parade of various cabinet ministers over the last 10 years) have been responsible for chopping up the Uk into pieces in preparation for a ludicrous EU initiative to break up Europe into sectors that also chops pieces off of other European countries - thus degrading their ability to act as sovereign states. We are all supposed to bow our heads to the loony socialists. Bugger that.
All is not lost tho, not by a long way. The Dutch and French voted against the constitution (so you know it's got to stink like last weeks fish) it has now been tweaked and called the Lisbon Treaty (the Irish have just voted no to that). The EU politicians will ignore all the no votes and go ahead with ratification without reference to the wishes of the people of Europe. Europe is starting to turn on them like we are turning on NuLabour. If even the Swiss are starting to fight for our culture and freedom you know that one of the tipping points has been passed. I still have hope that there will be a determined move to the right (not the far right!) and a rejection of all this PC multiculti nonsense but I fear it will take more terror attacks or some politicians with a set of balls to finally turn the tide. I cannot believe the Vikings will go down and Denmark is certainly showing her claws which is good. As for us, the problem with NuLabour is that they have retained control with Scottish and some Welsh MPs and this has meant that they won 3 elections with a minority of votes. They have given NI, Wales and Scotland parliaments/assemblies but the English (who make up the vast majority of the native peoples and has the vast majority of the population has no parliament at all, just Westminster where non English MPs vote on purely English affairs). This has caused an immense amount of anger in the silent majority of our population. Especially as the NuLabour elite are almost all Scots.
The backlash has really started tho, they were pounded in the local elections (local councils) and in the Crewe by-election and we still want our referendum or even a national election. Brown chickened out (he has a nasty case of pink-eye and yellow belly) Things are so bad that the current economic troubles, scandals and the price of petrol/diesel should sink him. I topped up my little diesel hatchback at the end of last week and it cost me 1.319 pounds a litre. Thats about 12 dollars a gallon.
Do not keep writing us off. We are a warrior people and we won't go down easy. But we will go about it by the book unless things become untenable. Then we will get nasty. Look at our history, it's a bloody one. I don't want to see it go that way but we may be left with no choice...

re: #236 Is it me?

Well said indeed!
I got nothing to add to your reply: the situation is exactly like you described it.
We'll see, friends - but remember: its not wise to give up on the British!

re: #236 Is it me?

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Hang in there, dear Allies.

re: #235 incanus

How can they be "innocent" if they're captured on a battlefield? hint: they're engaging in war. Either they are POWs, in which case they get interned until hostilities cease, or they're non-Geneva Convention compliant combatants, in which case they get treated as they are being treated now (except we've been told we can't do that). We're in some sort of Catch-22 here and it doesn't look good.

Hiya!
Hey I'm just covering the bases here.. During the trial if that person was deemed to just be caught up in a battlefield then we would release them..ok.. I know that it may not happen but you have to leave the door open for that possibility..don't you?
But my general point being most of our guests in Gitmo should have already met thier 72 virgins long ago.
BTW..what's so special about 72 virgins anyway? Just so as not to offend anyone here and I am a newbe..So i won't tell you who i want to be with in paradise..not even a hint..wink wink..ok one little hint..Tom Brady will be pissed.

America is not far behind, just ask SCOTUS.

re: #239 HoosierHoops

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Giselle Bundchen is a moonbat who would not be paid in US dollars.

Back to Brazil she ought to go, to dance Macarenas with Al Gore in Rio.

re: #241 alegrias

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Giselle Bundchen is a moonbat who would not be paid in US dollars.

Back to Brazil she ought to go, to dance Macarenas with Al Gore in Rio.

haha I didn't know that...
We can't always pick the super model we are assigned to in heaven..
I'm just playing..I wouldn't really want anyone else but my beautiful wife that has a heart of gold..72 virgins couldn't hold her handbag.

OT

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Which goes to show, when it comes to the law, there is no justice.

/ergo the 10 billion lawyer jokes on the net

Blair may have been a strong PM of the Labor Party, but the fact is that he has far too many socialist anti american anti WoT toadies in all his government agencies ready willing and able to coddle the most vicious terrorists imaginable in the name of pc correctness and 'civilized' behavoir. (Witness our own Gang of Five, who would throw us to the wolves and they sit on the highest court in the nation). So Great Britain without even a Constitution to pay homage to in words, let alone in fact, just sways with the multiculti breeze until the carbques become endemic, by which time it will probably be too late.
The brits should have tossed this thug into Guantanamo or shipped him to Israel.

re: #245 eaglewingz08

Hehe........ I warned you lot a long time ago that Blair was an anomaly, a law unto himself, as far as Labour leaders went. I believe I also mentioned that as soon as Blair was out of he way, then we were all back to good old militant socialism right up to the back benches.

The brits should have tossed this thug into Guantanamo or shipped him to Israel.

We should have tossed him into the bloody channel and told him to make his own way home.

re: #193 yma o hyd

Spot on about the guns but in the context of civil defence, as opposed to defence against criminals in isolated encounters, let us not discount that wonderful British propensity to lay about robustly, with whatever comes to hand, in times of crisis, adversity or sheer boredom.

re: #237 yma o hyd

I don't think we're giving up on them---yet.

We do wish they'd get a move on. And we don't like it (putting it mildly) when they fecklessly let terrorists go, to prey on the rest of the civilized world some more.

re: #229 EE

I wish they did understand that. Basically, they're attitude seems to be, "As long as they stick it to the other guy, that's fine with us!"

I've not giving up on the British, but I think they need a wake-up call---or a swift kick in the pants.

(I'm also tired of hearing the Labour Party blamed for all Britain's current woes. Yeah, it's bad---but they didn't come to power overnight, and they didn't do it by an armed coup. The British voted them in, mainly because they fooled themselves into buying into the modern-day welfare state.)

Either enough of us are killed so the rest of us say no more and mean it or we submit. If there's another possible outcome, let me know.

re: #231 runrabbitrun

I once heard a right-wing commenter claim that these leaders are extremely useful on the loose as magnets for intelligence to shadow.

It's a bit late to correct an error of mine here, but just for the record: I meant I heard a right-wing commentator (as in TV pundit) talk about the pros and cons of releasing AQ/ Radical Imam ringleaders like this. I did not mean I 'heard' a right-wing commenter here at LGF say/write this - sorry for my quick typo-ing!

re: #21 Sharmuta

re: #19 mean Gene

Ah, the liberals idea of fighting terrorism through law enforcement.
How's that working for us, again?

Clinton tried it for 8 years. Almost 3000 people paid with their lives for it.

A Thousand UpDings!

re: #225 yma o hyd

I'll beware when I actually see the Brits getting angry.

Until then. . . (Yawn).

(Let's just hope this guy doesn't kill more innocents before they get around to actually bestirring themselves.)

I would love to see the Brits get really angry. I would love to see my countrymen get angry, too, and STAY that way until the terrorists are no more.

I'm not holding my breath. I am, however, stocking up on necessities like food and ammo, in case no one gets angry in time.

The Brit and American liberals get off on submission to ruthless authority. As the Pink Floyd song goes, they go home at night and their fat and psychotic wives beat them to within inches of their lives. The problem is: their psychosis will get my kids throats slit by the monsters they celebrate and of which they kiss the asses. Dr Savage is correct, liberalism is a mental disorder.

re: #253 cookielady

I'd love to see the Brits (and us) get really angry too.

I'd also like to win the lottery, stay young forever and visit other planets in my very own starship.

I think the latter things are far more likely to happen than the former.

Like you, I'm stocking up on supplies.

(Actually, if there are anymore al-Queda sponsored 9/11's, Beslans, Madrid subway bombings, no one's going to give a damn if the British ever rouse themselves or not. They're just going to want these guys, any way they can get them.)

Let me get this straight: England can no longer extradite people if they are subject to being incarcerated in the target country? Since when was being subject to criminal courts "unfair"? I thought one of the major reasons to extradite somebody was precisely because they had committed crimes in their home country. It's not like his alleged crimes were ones not recognized in Britain, like blasphemy or apostasy. Making bombs is still a crime in Britain.