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Science in Zero G

Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:48:08 pm PDT

An LGF reader emailed a batch of great photos, along with an account of his trip aboard the Discovery Institute’s Zero G plane.

Oops! Did I say “Discovery Institute?” I meant, “SpaceTEC.”

A few months ago I was selected as one of only 75 scientists, engineers, and technicians to take a new course in Microgravity. This course was created, with a grant from the Florida Job Authority and taught by SpaceTEC, to help aerospace workers understand the microgravity environment and to give us extra training to help us obtain new employment once the Shuttle program ends in 2010. We spent 2 weeks in class learning about microgravity, or more commonly known as “Zero Gravity”. Last Sunday we flew on ZeroG and got to float like an astronaut in microgravity. This plane does parabolas like NASA’s infamous “Vomit Comet”. No, I did not even get queasy.

It’s nothing like I’ve ever experienced before. I’ve jumped off things, jumped out of planes 15,000 feet up (nearly 3 miles), swam underwater, rode rollercoaster’s, etc and nothing I’ve experienced can come close to describe what it’s like to float in microgravity. It was a once in a lifetime experience.

At one time I got trapped in the middle of the plane. I couldn’t reach the walls or ceiling or floor. All I could do was float and flail around in vain. It was pretty funny. One other time, someone just barely tapped my foot sending me into a slow cartwheel unable to stop. Many other times I felt like a pinball in a pinball game. I would try to float gently and would get bumped by someone and go off in all kinds of different directions ricocheting off other people and walls.

Besides having fun floating, we had 3 experiments to do during our flight. One was to toss around a toy spaceship exploring the action/reaction phenomenon described in Newton’s Laws of Gravity. Our next experiment was to observe what less dense liquids do inside a bottle with more dense liquids during microgravity. We used oil and water in the bottle. The less dense liquid would eventually go to the middle of the bottle. Our last experiment was to open an actual International Space Station medical kit, put on gloves, and bandage an imaginary cut on a patient’s arm. Sounds easy eh? Well it isn’t. As I was putting on the gloves, I kept tumbling round and round. I got as far as wiping the fake wound with alcohol before we ran out of time.

Microgravity would last for about 30 seconds and then gravity would suddenly return. The coaches would warn us to get our feet pointed down, but many times you couldn’t do it in time. That’s when you would be on the ceiling weighing nothing and then a microsecond later you weigh 245 lbs and plummet to the floor in a heap. Gravity would grab us fat boys with a vengeance. I hit the floor pretty hard at times. We would then start to climb the parabola again and I would end up lying there weighing 1.8 times my weight (441 lbs) until the next episode of microgravity. The next day I was pretty sore but I bore it with pride.

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1 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:49:19pm

Cool. My type of thread.

2 Racer X  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:49:39pm

Ya know, gravity is just a theory.

/

3 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:50:14pm

What about zero G, ahhh, whoopie?

4 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:50:53pm

re: #2 Racer X

Ya know, gravity is just a theory.

/

Go take a flying leap.....
in the name of science of course.
;-P

5 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:51:32pm

I wonder if they make the Lizard with 2 backs in there...

6 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:51:59pm

re: #2 Racer X

Ya know, gravity is just a theory.

/

Until you fall off the ladder.

7 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:52:25pm

re: #3 jcm

What about zero G, ahhh, whoopie?

30 seconds?

8 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:52:48pm

re: #2 Racer X

Ya know, gravity is just a theory.

/

It's real, but we can't explain it.. that's a fact.

9 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:52:58pm

I'm watching "The Universe" on the History Channel. The topic? Why, gravity, of course.

10 Syrah  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:15pm

I want to do that.

11 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:16pm

re: #9 rabidsquirrel

Darn! I wish I had cable.

12 Racer X  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:17pm

re: #4 jcm

I have experienced gravity from 12k feet up. It works. Thankfully the chute opened.

13 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:20pm

When was microgravity discovered and by whom?

14 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:26pm

What causes gravity?

15 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:42pm

I'd like to do that, but I'm not so sure about being in free-fall in a plane.

16 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:53:57pm

There is no gravity; The earth sucks.

17 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:54:11pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

What causes gravity?

Bad music.

18 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

We are actually unsure.

19 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:54:46pm

re: #11 astronmr20

Darn! I wish I had cable.

Watching in high definition, to boot. Gotta love it. They even had a segment on the Zero G plane.

20 Tarkus289  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:54:55pm

al gore invented gravity.

21 Syrah  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:55:10pm

re: #5 rawmuse

I wonder if they make the Lizard with 2 backs in there...

That would be a very quick quicky.

22 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:55:37pm

Well, the NAS didn't launch this, although members of the NAS do work for Nasa.

It's the same with Discovery. Some prominent scientists are members who do excellent work in their fields.

One guy, Guillermo Gonzales has discovered planets, developed the concept of Galactic Habitable Zones, written astronomy textbooks, had the most cited astronomy paper one year, and, oh yeah, was denied tenure at his university solely for his views on Intelligent Design.

23 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:08pm

re: #21 Syrah

That would be a very quick quicky.

Well, either quick, or a rather unpleasant coitus interruptus.

24 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:09pm

For more info you can check out [Link: www.microgravity.com...]

25 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:26pm

re: #12 Racer X

I have experienced gravity from 12k feet up. It works. Thankfully the chute opened.

I took a tumble off a 3 story building. What the say is true, the fall under the influence of gravity is not the problem. It the damn earth getting in the way and causing a rather sudden stop.

I landed in a bush, and suffered scratches. LUCKY.

26 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:27pm

I would love to do that someday...

27 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:38pm

re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

you had to

28 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:43pm

Ooops, re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

Small error in my last post:
instead of textbooks, read a textbook

29 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:56:44pm

I feel nauseous...

30 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:00pm

re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

Well, the NAS didn't launch this, although members of the NAS do work for Nasa.

It's the same with Discovery. Some prominent scientists are members who do excellent work in their fields.

One guy, Guillermo Gonzales has discovered planets, developed the concept of Galactic Habitable Zones, written astronomy textbooks, had the most cited astronomy paper one year, and, oh yeah, was denied tenure at his university solely for his views on Intelligent Design.

Guillermo Gonzales is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

Again.

31 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:13pm

I need a vacation.

32 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:22pm

re: #29 rawmuse

I feel nauseous...

There's a bag in the seat in front of you....

33 Racer X  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:35pm

OT (kinda)

Thursday night / Friday am - Vandenberg will shoot the OSTM/Jason-2 satellite up on a Delta 2 rocket.

00:45 Friday morning.

Should be quite a show if you're nearby.

34 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:42pm

re: #18 astronmr20

Isn't it related to the mass of an object? While gravity itself is a theory, if an object has mass, it has a gravitational field.

Right? No?

35 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:57:52pm

re: #25 jcm

Was it at a party at the UW?

Seriously, there have been several students fall to their (unfortunate) death while intoxicated on college row the past few years.

It's an epidemic!

36 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:58:22pm

re: #30 Charles

So what? It doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments.

37 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:58:24pm

The shuttle program ends in 2010?!

38 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:58:32pm

re: #20 Tarkus289

al gore invented gravity.

He only did that so that the internet would work.

39 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:58:56pm

re: #20 Tarkus289

Nuh-uh!

He invented the theory of gravity...real gravity was created during the New Deal.

Didn't you know that?

40 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:58:58pm

re: #34 brainwizard73

Yes it is absolutely related to mass, but we don't know why. No clue.

41 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:59:03pm

And the claim that Gonzalez was denied tenure because of his ID delusions is simply false:

[Link: www.expelledexposed.com...]

42 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:59:08pm

re: #35 psyop

Was it at a party at the UW?

Seriously, there have been several students fall to their (unfortunate) death while intoxicated on college row the past few years.

It's an epidemic!

I was doing a restoration on a 1908 Mansion just North of Greek Row in Seattle. A bunch of rotted wood gave way.

43 Beholden  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:59:12pm

NASA needs to adopt a "Winnie the Pooh" approach to space exploration.

44 Racer X  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 9:59:47pm

re: #43 Beholden

NASA needs to adopt a "Winnie the Pooh" approach to space exploration.

LOL!

45 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:13pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

What causes gravity?

If you can figure that out, you will win a Nobel Prize.

...on second thought, those aren't worth much these days.

meh....

46 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:18pm

Gotta love the nickname of the NASA version of it. Have to admit it though, I would love to experience that flight myself.

/probably the closest I would get to the space experience.

47 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:23pm

re: #37 MandyManners

The shuttle program ends in 2010?!

Yes! The contractors at our site are looking for other jobs now.

48 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:45pm

re: #37 MandyManners

The shuttle program ends in 2010?!

It wasn't supposed to last this long. The maintenance on the shuttle vehicle between each flight is prohibitively expensive, and the vehicles are starting to simply wear out, as evidenced by the increasingly common problems they're having with tiles falling off during launch and in flight.

49 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:55pm

re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

Will you please take your ID discussion and not foul up an interesting science thread?

Dammit, I am sick of having to suffer through 2,568 posts on ID and all the permutations of that topic and then someone has to go and louse up a really neat thread.

Just keep it clear for a few hours, alright?

50 wolfie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:00:55pm

I wonder if it would make you seasick?
Still looks neat, tho.

51 Attaboid  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #31 Ringo the Gringo

I need a vacation.

My boss called me this morning and asked:"do you want to work?" I said "No". "I'm on vacation". "You approved it!"

Silly bun*.

52 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #30 Charles
I think that was the point. ..It was good point, well made. But I wish we could dance to another tune. All roads don't have to lead to a pie-fight.

53 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #42 jcm

Ouch...

Some beautiful old buildings around there, though.

54 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:46pm

re: #46 BlueCanuck

Gotta love the nickname of the NASA version of it. Have to admit it though, I would love to experience that flight myself.

/probably the closest I would get to the space experience.

We are getting a spaceport about 40 miles north of where I live. It's big bucks to go into space, but it will be a likelihood.

55 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:51pm

re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

56 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:01:58pm

re: #41 Charles

And the claim that Gonzalez was denied tenure because of his ID delusions is simply false:

[Link: www.expelledexposed.com...]

Publish or perish.

57 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:02:29pm

re: #40 astronmr20

There haven't been any observable indications? I would think that given that the building blocks of this type of situation are readily available (planets, stars, moons) and that we have good sensors, that we would have some working theories.

No?

58 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:02:31pm

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

59 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:02:36pm

re: #42 jcm

I was doing a restoration on a 1908 Mansion just North of Greek Row in Seattle. A bunch of rotted wood gave way.

It's how people break their necks or backs. You were lucky. We were putting a new roof on our one story house. I told my husband I wanted to see what he was doing. So he allowed me up, and then while we stood there together, or 18 month old came toddling across the roof having followed us up the ladder. We had to scoop her up with out startling her.

60 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:02:43pm

re: #53 psyop

Ouch...

Some beautiful old buildings around there, though.

Here's the house.

61 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:02:59pm

re: #54 songbird

We are getting a spaceport about 40 miles north of where I live. It's big bucks to go into space, but it will be a likelihood.

Really? Private company?

/time to start getting in shape and saving money.

62 Reno911  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:03:11pm

I'm blinded by science...or ID...or...Creationism....whatever.

63 mich-again  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:03:35pm

NASA and NASCAR are pretty similar. One second you are weightless, the next you fell multiple G's.

64 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:03:51pm

re: #59 DistantThunder

Very luck...
I was working on my house and left the ladder to get something, come back and my 3 year old is half way up.

65 wolfie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:03:58pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

Let's not get personal here.

66 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:04:19pm

re: #64 jcm

Very luck...
I was working on my house and left the ladder to get something, come back and my 3 year old is half way up.

They do tend to climb...

67 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:04:35pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

Waaaay Toooo much information....

68 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:05:08pm

re: #66 astronmr20

They do tend to climb...

He's a climber, fearless too. Scares the crap outta me!

69 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:05:30pm

re: #64 jcm

Dodged a bullet there. Thank goodness.

I have a few that young myself and had a scary incident in a neighbor's pool when #2 kid wandered into the deep end (I was busy with another kid).

Neighbor yanked him out. Then wife just about killed me.

70 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:05:33pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.


They have medicine for that now.

71 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:05:59pm

re: #64 jcm

Very luck...
I was working on my house and left the ladder to get something, come back and my 3 year old is half way up.

Ugh. We felt so dumb. I completely took leave of my senses and went up 6 months pregnant. I said to my husband later - Why would you let me do that? Momentary lapse of sanity.

72 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:06:23pm

Now if the guy had been a left-wing nut, lying about his indian heritage, while stealing other peoples' work; Hey, no prob!
Tenure is very complex.

73 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:06:28pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

Perhaps you should propose a cap and trade dinger system.

74 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:06:34pm

re: #61 BlueCanuck

Really? Private company?

/time to start getting in shape and saving money.

Yes. Here is a link.

75 yitzy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:06:58pm

Read the story...loved the pic.

I AM SO JEALOUS IT HURTS! Somebody hold me....(sniff!)

76 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:07:23pm

re: #60 jcm

Very nice....

If you get a chance, there is a replica of George Washington's Mount Vernon home on Capitol Hill, run by the Daughters of the Revolution. Very simple, elegant place. Friends of mine had their wedding there, too much fun was had by all...

77 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:07:23pm

I am green with envy ...

78 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:07:40pm

re: #71 DistantThunder

In Texas, they might try to take away your unborn for that...

79 greenmiler  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:08:53pm
My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

I hate when that happens

80 Racer X  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:09:16pm

re: #70 MandyManners

They have medicine for that now.

Consult a physician if your dinger keeps dinging after 4 hours.

81 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:10:16pm

re: #75 yitzy

((yitzy))

HEY, KEEP YOUR HANDS STILL!

82 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:10:29pm

Mandy keeps excess Dingers on the mantle.

83 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:10:32pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.


You might need to see a therapist for that.

84 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:11:08pm

re: #74 songbird

Too cool. I am definitely going to have to start making the money for that. Just plan on doing sub-orbitals at first right?

/heard of Virgin Galatic before.

85 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:12:07pm

re: #82 pat

Mandy keeps excess Dingers on the mantle.

That was a mental picture I did not need!
;-P

86 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:12:54pm

I tried to down-ding post #22 at least 30 times. Only one took.

87 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:13:05pm

Charles just told someone to bite him on the Jindal thread. teehee

88 greenmiler  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:13:12pm

I wonder what happens if one person pukes. that must be hell trying to get away from puke in zero G

89 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:13:18pm

re: #84 BlueCanuck

Too cool. I am definitely going to have to start making the money for that. Just plan on doing sub-orbitals at first right?

/heard of Virgin Galatic before.

We hope to bring in good jobs for the area. My husband is running for county commissioner and his slogan is "Future Jobs, Future Technologies".

The Spaceport is an important link in the job production chain.

90 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #78 brainwizard73

In Texas, they might try to take away your unborn for that...


Yeah, really. Definitely poor judgment but I was always so healthy and active and small when I was pregnant I think I just forgot. When I was on the way to the hospital to have my 1st - 3 weeks overdue, I had walked down the stairs of the doctor;s office and the doctor called down to me to tell me he'd forgotten to give me the admission orders. I ran back up the 15 stairs taking them two at a time. When I got to the top, he just looked at me shocked, and I said: What?

He said: I wish all my patients could do that.

91 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:13:53pm
92 yitzy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:14:13pm

re: #81 MandyManners

((yitzy))

HEY, KEEP YOUR HANDS STILL!

Suddenly, it all seems little better now. Whatever you just did, please continue.

((Mandy)) ------> DING!

93 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:14:14pm

re: #88 greenmiler

I wonder what happens if one person pukes. that must be hell trying to get away from puke in zero G

That is such a big problem they ask you to die before you puke.

94 Cognito  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:14:54pm
Oops! Did I say “Discovery Institute?” I meant, “SpaceTEC.”

I may be the only reader who feels this way, Charles, but this particular criticism seems to be tipping toward gratuitousness.

There must be a million other philosophies out there deserving attention, as well.

95 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #89 songbird

We hope to bring in good jobs for the area. My husband is running for county commissioner and his slogan is "Future Jobs, Future Technologies".

The Spaceport is an important link in the job production chain.

..In beautiful downtown Upham,NM

96 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:15:38pm

Spewing milk is fun.

97 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:16:24pm

re: #94 Cognito

I may be the only reader who feels this way, Charles, but this particular criticism seems to be tipping toward gratuitousness.

There must be a million other philosophies out there deserving attention, as well.

If ID is taught in public schools, it will open the door to teaching the Koran.

98 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:16:25pm

re: #41 Charles

Don't forget that materials published by the NCSE are at least as suspect as those published by Discovery. There is a definite bias involved, surely you recognize that (not to mention a much bigger budget).

Now, about Gonzalez:

Iowa State University has guidelines for achieving tenure. Raising funding is not mentioned in them (although he did receive grants from NASA among others). Publishing is, and...

Having produced 68 refereed scientific papers at the time of tenure review, Dr. Gonzalez exceeded his own department’s standard for “excellence” in research by more than 350%. One eminent scientist who reviewed Dr. Gonzalez’s tenure application said that, “Dr. Gonzalez is eminently qualified for the promotion according to your guidelines of excellence in scholarship and exhibiting a potential for national distinction. In light of your criteria I would certainly recommend the promotion." Indeed, 2/3 of the external reviewers who gave an opinion about whether Dr. Gonzalez deserves tenure said he should receive tenure.

In one e-mail obtained through an Iowa Open Records request filed by the Discovery Institute (and reported on by the Des Moines Register), Joerg Schmalian, professor of physics and astronomy, wrote a year before the official tenure process began that speaking about Gonzalez's tenure case without his knowledge was paramount to "secrecy in the department."

"In view of the upcoming tenure decision, secrecy in the department may equally be interpreted as prejudging the case as making a statement," Schmalian wrote. "It becomes clear that there were efforts to write such a statement and that statement was not made only to avoid the impression of a hostile environment. Isn't this strong evidence for secrecy in the department?"

Eli Rosenberg, professor and chairman of physics and astronomy, wrote in Gonzalez's tenure dossier that Gonzalez's research into ID did play a part in his decision to deny tenure on the grounds that ID research "disqualifies him from serving as a science educator." Rosenberg declined to comment on the e-mails.

I'm sorry, Discovery Institute again. But they seem to be the only people telling this story.

99 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:17:00pm

re: #98 Johnny 100 Pesos

That's right, the Discovery Institute AGAIN.

100 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:17:05pm

re: #49 brainwizard73

Hey, Charles started it...or did you ot see his tiresome dig at Discovery?

101 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:17:18pm

re: #91 jcm

Woman who refused to move for developers dies

Picture is priceless.

Take the money and get out of there. Too late now.

102 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:17:29pm

AArrrrrGGGhhh!

103 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:19:19pm

re: #95 swamprat

..In beautiful downtown Upham,NM

It's a fabulous place! All the road runners, snakes, and horney toads you could want! Next thing you know the environmentalist will be screaming about saving the area........just like they whine about the oil rich Otero Mesa area.

104 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:20:40pm

re: #90 DistantThunder

Hey, live and learn. Just reminds us of how lucky we are and how good parents aren't born, they're made.

105 jcm  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:21:02pm

re: #103 songbird


dinger dysfunction
horney toads

This thread is going to hell in a hand basket!
;-P

106 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:21:34pm

Well, let's just hope Jindal works this out so that it doesn't affect his credibility long term. Mccain would certainly have issues with him over this.

107 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:21:56pm

re: #100 Johnny 100 Pesos

Asshole.

108 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:22:56pm

re: #103 songbird
Yeah, Cutter is so over developed!

109 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:23:29pm

re: #105 jcm

dinger dysfunction
horney toads

This thread is going to hell in a hand basket!
;-P

My husband found an *ahem* "horned" toad in the desert that looked just like astroboy

110 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:23:35pm

re: #107 MandyManners

ouch

111 Clemente  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:24:31pm

re: #58 swamprat

My dinger is broke. It only does one ding and stops.

/forwarding this week's 1296 strangely-spelled emails, you're welcome :)

112 greenmiler  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:25:02pm

Well you forget about the moose!

Arther/off

113 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:25:22pm

re: #111 Clemente
Gee, thanks.

114 American Soldier  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:27:13pm
Our last experiment was to open an actual International Space Station medical kit, put on gloves, and bandage an imaginary cut on a patient’s arm. Sounds easy eh? Well it isn’t. As I was putting on the gloves, I kept tumbling round and round. I got as far as wiping the fake wound with alcohol before we ran out of time.


Wus. Try one-man one-handed BMV CPR in the back of an ambulance hurtling through Chicago at 90MPH, holding a trauma victim stationary in the back of a CPD Squadrol (all smooth edges, NO handholds) hurtling through Chicago at 100MPH, managing patient care in the back of a Hummer ambulance at ANY speed, doing any task in a helo that's yankin' and bankin', or, for that matter, fixing sandwiches in the windward galley of a sailboat with the leeward rail buried in Lake Michigan.

First aid in micro-gravity? A snap.

115 songbird  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:27:32pm

Goodnight, Faithful Lizards.

The alarm clock rings early nowadays!

116 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:28:30pm

re: #100 Johnny 100 Pesos

Hey, Charles started it...or did you ot see his tiresome dig at Discovery?

So that meant you just had to try to get in one more dig; on this thread.

After something like 4,563 posts on the last thread; because it sounds so much different now as opposed to then.

Good thing that you didn't see anyone jump off a bridge...you probably would have bailed too...I mean, you can't resist, right?

117 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:28:32pm

re: #115 songbird
night, songbird

118 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:28:56pm

Goodnight from me too.

Sweet dreams to everyone. Even Ms. Manners.

Especially Ms. Manners.

119 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:29:14pm

Only five more hours until boarding time.

120 psyop  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:30:09pm

re: #91 jcm

Woman who refused to move for developers dies

Picture is priceless.

LOL....

I remember when that whole thing went down... Score one for the little guy (or little old lady, in this case).

121 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:30:32pm

re: #101 rawmuse

I thought things like that happend only in Bugs Bunny cartoons.

122 jaunte  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:30:53pm

Goodnight all.
Ian Thomas - Goodnight Mrs. Calabash

123 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:31:00pm

re: #98 Johnny 100 Pesos

Don't forget that materials published by the NCSE are at least as suspect as those published by Discovery. There is a definite bias involved, surely you recognize that (not to mention a much bigger budget).

A bias? Sure, if you mean, in favor of good science and biased against garbage pseudo-science. I'm biased that way myself.

And no, it's nowhere near as suspect as the propaganda coming out of the dishonest Discovery Institute.

124 swamprat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:31:48pm

re: #115 songbird

Goodnight, Faithful Lizards.

The alarm clock rings early nowadays!


Songbird, I am looking for a windmill. I am willing to take it down.

125 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:31:51pm

re: #116 brainwizard73

No, I just had a reaction.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

126 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:33:34pm

re: #98 Johnny 100 Pesos

I can see Johnny 2 cents (exchange rate) channelling a great American:

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals and make sure we all know about intelligent design.

Change!

127 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:34:38pm

re: #125 Johnny 100 Pesos

Just give it a rest at some point. That's all.

128 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:37:30pm

This about this? There is plenty of gravity. You are hurtling towards the earth at terminal velocity.

Fancy illusion.

No thanks.

129 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:38:03pm

re: #126 brainwizard73

Speaking of channeling the junior senator from Illinois, does anyone know his position on funding big science experiments?

Or is he going to kill research to fund his new war on poverty...or the next phase of the war on poverty...or some bullcrap tax cut for the bottom 50% that doesn't pay any tax to speak of...or...you get the point.

130 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:38:51pm

re: #129 brainwizard73

Speaking of channeling the junior senator from Illinois, does anyone know his position on funding big science experiments?

Or is he going to kill research to fund his new war on poverty...or the next phase of the war on poverty...or some bullcrap tax cut for the bottom 50% that doesn't pay any tax to speak of...or...you get the point.

No one knows.

That's part of the problem. Not even he knows. He's making this shit up as he goes along.

131 Syrah  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:40:10pm

re: #128 astronmr20

This about this? There is plenty of gravity. You are hurtling towards the earth at terminal velocity.

Fancy illusion.

No thanks.

But it looks like so much fun, illusion or not, like a roller coaster on steroids.

waves hands in the air and shouts YEAH!

132 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:42:03pm

re: #130 astronmr20

No one knows.

That's part of the problem. Not even he knows. He's making this shit up as he goes along.

From the Obama '08 website:

In the past, government funding for scientific research has yielded innovations that have improved the landscape of American life—technologies like the Internet, digital photography, bar codes, Global Positioning System technology, laser surgery, and chemotherapy. At one time, educational competition with the Soviets fostered the creativity that put a man on the moon. Today, we face a new set of challenges, including energy security, HIV/AIDS, and climate change. Yet, the United States is losing its scientific dominance. Among industrialized nations, our country’s scores on international science and math tests rank in the bottom third and bottom fifth, respectively. Over the last three decades, federal funding for the physical, mathematical and engineering sciences has declined at a time when other countries are substantially increasing their own research budgets. Barack Obama believes federally funded scientific research should play an important role in advancing science and technology in the classroom and in the lab.

Uh, so to I, Senator. Question is, are you going to fund science projects or let your left wing looney toon Demo-bobos use all the money for half-assed social programs?

133 RTLM  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:43:04pm

Space Shuttle data. (a chronology)


Enterprise: OV-101
Named after: USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 (fictional)
Contract award: 26 July 1972
First flight: Taxi Test
15 February 1977
Last flight: Free Flight
26 October 1977
Crews: 4
Time spent in space: Never flew in space
Status: On display at Smithsonian Institution


Columbia: OV-102
Named after: Robert Gray’s Columbia Rediviva
Contract award: July 26, 1972
First flight: STS-1
April 12, 1981 - April 14, 1981
Last flight: STS-107
January 16, 2003 – February 1, 2003
Number of missions: 28
Crews: 160
Time spent in space: 300.74 days
Status: Destroyed February 1, 2003

Challenger: OV-099
Named after: HMS Challenger
Contract award: July 26, 1972
First flight: STS-6
April 4, 1983 – April 9, 1983
Last flight: STS-51-L
January 28, 1986
Number of missions: 10
Time spent in space: 62.41 days
Status: Destroyed destroyed January 28, 1986


Discovery: OV-103
Named after: RRS Discovery
Contract award: 29 January 1979
First flight: STS-41-D
August 30, 1984 – September 5, 1984
Last flight: STS-124
May 31st, 2008 - June 14th, 2008
Number of missions: 35
Crews: 214
Time spent in space: 310.60 days
Status: Active

Atlantis: OV-104
Named after: R/V Atlantis
First flight: STS-51-J
3 October 1985 - 7 October 1985
Last flight: STS-122
7 February 2008 - 20 February 2008
Number of missions: 29
Crews: 181
Time spent in space: 245.575 days

Endeavour: OV-105
Named after: HM Bark Endeavour
Contract award: July 31, 1987
First flight: STS-49
May 7, 1992 - May 16, 1992
Last flight: STS-123
March 11, 2008 - March 26, 2008
Number of missions: 21
Time spent in space: 234.01 days
Number of orbits: 3,259
Staus: Active

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It appears the Challenger was the first airframe.

134 George guy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:43:46pm

The first plane assembled itself out of wood and cloth in the primordial goo, which at the time, about 1.5 billion years ago, had many pieces of wood and bits of other organic matter floating in it. It was a simple affair upon which other primordial plane components would gradually stick and accumulate, and this mechanism helped other planes assemble more quickly, though this was still comparatively inefficient. As this group of simple self-replicating planes grew, random variations in their self-construction would eventually lead to additional mechanisms ensuring a less haphazard construction, which allowed the newer planes to simply outpace the reproductive rate of those closer to their ancestral line. But things went on slowly for over a billion years, until some planes evolved the ability to assimilate metal. It made many planes heavier and those died off. Those that were able to use it effectively to strengthen their structures without losing too much airtime, had effectively made a trade-off that made these planes no more vulnerable to predators than their lighter cousins.
By 1903, planes had gained the ability to metabolize gasoline and, unlike their gliding ancestors, undergo short jumps of true flight-- an early specimen was domesticated at this time by the Wright Brothers. Over a short hundred years the increasing efficiency of their engines enabled them to lose their wooden components entirely, some of them having evolved such powerful engines as to be able to launch themselves well into the upper atmosphere, by which any parasite in the host plane's body may enjoy a full 30 seconds of free-fall in relative safety. Now, planes are at the top of their ecological niche save for the occasional goose attack.

135 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:44:16pm

re: #100 Johnny 100 Pesos

WTF is your problem?

136 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:45:14pm

re: #36 Johnny 100 Pesos

So what? It doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments.

So the guy is exceedingly good in one part of his life, and exceedingly foolish in another.

Not like that's ever happened before.

/

137 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:45:19pm

re: #130 astronmr20

No one knows.

That's part of the problem. Not even he knows. He's making this shit up as he goes along.

Actually, the more I surf Obama '08 the more intellectual bankruptcy I find.

Wow, this site is a gold mine.

138 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:45:56pm

Yup yup .. ferget all this ID and Evolution stuff

I'm devolving to a lower lifeform .. it was so much easier back then.

Eat banana ... climb tree ... get eaten by tiger.

Now its just too complex. Irreducibly Complex.

/Bacterium Bunny

139 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:45:58pm

Okay, can't we just keep the ID debate on the ID threads. I feel no need to experience the arguments and attacks that spill over.

140 RTLM  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:46:16pm

I was wrong. Challenger was not the first Orbiter Vehicle.

Pathfinder was.

OV Designation: OV-098
Country: United States
Number of missions: 6 (0 space missions)
Time spent in space: Not a space vehicle
Number of orbits: 0
Status: On display at the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

141 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:47:05pm

re: #134 George guy

The first plane assembled itself out of wood and cloth in the primordial goo, which at the time, about 1.5 billion years ago, had many pieces of wood and bits of other organic matter floating in it. It was a simple affair upon which other primordial plane components would gradually stick and accumulate, and this mechanism helped other planes assemble more quickly, though this was still comparatively inefficient. As this group of simple self-replicating planes grew, random variations in their self-construction would eventually lead to additional mechanisms ensuring a less haphazard construction, which allowed the newer planes to simply outpace the reproductive rate of those closer to their ancestral line. But things went on slowly for over a billion years, until some planes evolved the ability to assimilate metal. It made many planes heavier and those died off. Those that were able to use it effectively to strengthen their structures without losing too much airtime, had effectively made a trade-off that made these planes no more vulnerable to predators than their lighter cousins.
By 1903, planes had gained the ability to metabolize gasoline and, unlike their gliding ancestors, undergo short jumps of true flight-- an early specimen was domesticated at this time by the Wright Brothers. Over a short hundred years the increasing efficiency of their engines enabled them to lose their wooden components entirely, some of them having evolved such powerful engines as to be able to launch themselves well into the upper atmosphere, by which any parasite in the host plane's body may enjoy a full 30 seconds of free-fall in relative safety. Now, planes are at the top of their ecological niche save for the occasional goose attack.

Actually, the first plane was built by human beings, based on scientific principles. Other human beings took that very HUMAN design and improved it until we now have a worldwide air transport system.

All based on science, not on religious belief.

142 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:47:49pm

I don't get hummus. You could dress that up with caviar and serve it on a garlic bagel cracker and it would still taste like something the carpenter glued the floor down with. OK. I hate it.

143 Carridine  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:47:57pm

I liked the

'...remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals ...'

That is sickness, revealed. Nothing except an idealized, inhuman, inhumane IMAGINARY utopia...

144 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:48:22pm

I'm going to whip up a late dinner.


Need a break from teh interwebz. see you lizards around.

145 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:48:56pm

Hummus was firat made by termites with the runs. The planes came after.

146 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:49:09pm

re: #134 George guy

By 1903, planes had gained the ability to metabolize gasoline and, unlike their gliding ancestors, undergo short jumps of true flight-- an early specimen was domesticated at this time by the Wright Brothers. Over a short hundred years the increasing efficiency of their engines enabled them to lose their wooden components entirely, some of them having evolved such powerful engines as to be able to launch themselves well into the upper atmosphere, by which any parasite in the host plane's body may enjoy a full 30 seconds of free-fall in relative safety. Now, planes are at the top of their ecological niche save for the occasional goose attack.

It was clear as soon as planes evolved to a hard metallic exoskeleton that they would soon rule the skies. Had it not been for their continual diet of Kerosene .. they would have lasted a couple more centuries. But soon .. all we will see is their skeletons at local airports.

147 George guy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:50:00pm

re: #141 Charles

Actually, the first plane was built by human beings, based on scientific principles. Other human beings took that very HUMAN design and improved it until we now have a worldwide air transport system.

All based on science, not on religious belief.

Based on laws of physics enumerated by people including Isaac Newton, who was renowned for his work not being informed by his religious belief.

148 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:51:29pm

re: #147 George guy

Based on laws of physics enumerated by people including Isaac Newton, who was renowned for his work not being informed by his religious belief.

Isaac Newton's religious beliefs had nothing whatsoever to do with his insights into the laws of motion and gravity.

149 brainwizard73  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:51:47pm

Alright, bile for ID party/thread crashers tapped out.

Bedtime.

150 Syrah  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:52:19pm

re: #133 RTLM

Space Shuttle data. (a chronology)


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It appears the Challenger was the first airframe.

They are getting old.

They have rough duty. Not good to work them too long.

151 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:54:37pm

re: #147 George guy

Based on laws of physics enumerated by people including Isaac Newton, who was renowned for his work not being informed by his religious belief.

The remarkable thing about the last 500 years is most science has been CONTINUALLY challenged by religious doctrine, but eventually science has won out. The ludicrous claims of the established train of though is usually silenced within a generation or two as the science gains momentum and BUILDS on the discoveries.

Here is the big three point question. If you accept ID as anything, then where do we go from here? Further derivations on the THEOLOGICAL possibility of intervention of a greater intellect on the common area?

Puhleez. Give me some science !

/Braniac Bunny

152 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #143 Carridine

I liked the

That is sickness, revealed. Nothing except an idealized, inhuman, inhumane IMAGINARY utopia...

Got it in one. All BS. Pure PR speak. No economics (and he is up against a halfwit there), no reality based diplomacy, a complete rejection of treaties with our largest trade partners, retreat from all military commitments, and a horrific downsizing on our military so that others won't attack us. A moron. A babbling fool or someone's tool.

153 George guy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:55:48pm

re: #148 Charles

Isaac Newton's religious beliefs had nothing whatsoever to do with his insights into the laws of motion and gravity.

You would certainly be correct in saying Newton's belief that a rational God created the Universe to operate on rational laws had nothing to do with his insights into the laws of motion and gravity.

154 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:57:18pm

re: #93 pat

That is such a big problem they ask you to die before you puke.

Seems to me a hand-held vacuum cleaner like a Dustbuster might be appropriate for that.

155 Clemente  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:58:31pm

re: #134 George guy

The first plane assembled itself out of wood and cloth in the primordial goo, which at the time, about 1.5 billion years ago... blah blah blah

and ID isn't a warm, steamy crock bereft of actual, rigorous method.

/right.

156 Charles  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 10:59:18pm

re: #153 George guy

You would certainly be correct in saying Newton's belief that a rational God created the Universe to operate on rational laws had nothing to do with his insights into the laws of motion and gravity.

Hey, is that sarcasm? I think it's sarcasm!

Newton did not rely on divine intervention to formulate his theories. Unlike the "intelligent design" hoaxers.

157 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:01:19pm

The current evolution of the Firefox does not bedazzle me, though it is still as formidable a predator is always. I suspect it must be more of an internal change.

/g'dafternoon!

158 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:02:06pm

re: #153 George guy

You would certainly be correct in saying Newton's belief that a rational God created the Universe to operate on rational laws had nothing to do with his insights into the laws of motion and gravity.

Why quote separation?

THIS IS THE LUNACY !

Why do you need a separation of doctrine and science when almost inevitably, there are parts of the early bible that are complemented and verified through archeological and scientific discoveries?

Men .. RELIGIOUS MEN .. have gone to work .. created things for human benefit WITH science and have gone home to a house based on the Bible.

Its just insulting to even try to seperate the two.

159 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:02:13pm

re: #156 Charles

I am probably going to ask one of the most FAQs regarding "God" and evolution...

If evolution is proven, doesn't that automatically disprove the existence of a superior deity due to its refutation of Scripture?

160 Syrah  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:03:28pm

It's late.

I have had way too much Tequila.

I have to get up way too early in the morning.

Goodnight all.

Keep a cool head.

If you can't take the heat here among friends, you won't stand a chance out their in the real world when the shit hits the fan.

play nice.

161 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:03:38pm

re: #109 songbird

My husband found an *ahem* "horned" toad in the desert that looked just like astroboy

A horny toad is actually a horned lizard, which is a reptile, and not a toad at all. Toads are amphibians.

I remember working on a mineral property southwest of Las Vegas, NV, many years ago, and one of the principals caught a horned lizard, and smuggled it back to Canada in his shirt pocket to become a pet for his children. Cute little critters, they are.

162 RTLM  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:03:51pm

re: #150 Syrah

They're refurbished after every cycle. But you are right - they are old and need to be retired.

Can't wait for the Orion.

(2018)

163 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:04:06pm

re: #158 Buster Bunny

More Muslim science!

164 American Soldier  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:08:30pm

re: #142 pat

I don't get hummus. You could dress that up with caviar and serve it on a garlic bagel cracker and it would still taste like something the carpenter glued the floor down with. OK. I hate it.

Cool. So, like, if you're not gonna eat it, pass it this way, please.


/later

165 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:09:16pm

re: #159 laZardo

I am probably going to ask one of the most FAQs regarding "God" and evolution...

If evolution is proven, doesn't that automatically disprove the existence of a superior deity due to its refutation of Scripture?

If evolution is proven .. it does not disseminate in any way from the value of the bible OR discredit scripture. The sequences in Genesis read in the correct order for what actually took place, which is pretty impressive for a 2000 year old storybook.

dont debunk what you arent prepared to invoke, unless your comprehension of the text is explicit and thorough.

There is more to the Bible than most people even bother to deal with. I speak both Hebrew and English, read Aramaic and Persian so .. i can read the analysis of the texts over the past 1300 years.

Read it, study it and dont assume that they need to be separate.

166 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:12:16pm

re: #165 Buster Bunny

There are two sequences in Genesis though. The first one is the "classic six-day" where humans are created after the rest of animal life, the other is an "alternate" where humans are created before animal life.

Exactly how/which sequence is correct, let alone it taking place in six days, is beyond me.

I just think we're quite lucky to exist at all.

167 George guy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:13:54pm

re: #151 Buster Bunny

Neo-Darwinism: Evolution is a process by which life has grown, generally, over time, more complex as it adapts to its environment.

Creationism: Evolution is a process by which life adapts to its environment while degenerating from its original state.

This kind of claim might be scientifically testable if you could get a good definition of degeneration.
Just saying, there is a bit more that could be done in that direction, although my opinion is that science education would do better focusing on examining how nature presently works and all the mechanisms involved in that, before muddying the waters with assumptions about origins, especially if we're going to assume that public schools are actually necessary.

168 Inquisitive  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:15:08pm

re: #107 MandyManners

Asshole.


Took the words right out of my...fingers!

169 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:18:29pm

re: #167 George guy

Neo-Darwinism: Evolution is a process by which life has grown, generally, over time, more complex as it adapts to its environment.

Creationism: Evolution is a process by which life adapts to its environment while degenerating from its original state.

I can think of two countries (one official, one "official," note the quote bunnies) that fit the bill for those processes. (;

170 Clemente  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:19:28pm

re: #158 Buster Bunny

Why quote separation?

THIS IS THE LUNACY !It's just insulting to even try to seperate conflate the two.

Faith is FAITH!

Does faith need empirical confirmation? I don't think so. Faith is what you accept without scientific proof. Science explains what it can; faith covers that which one believes absent rational explanation. And ignorance of scientific rigor gives fanatics license to commandeer science.

171 George guy  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:23:37pm

re: #169 laZardo

I can think of two countries (one official, one "official," note the quote bunnies) that fit the bill for those processes. (;

Well, the US Government is sort of doing both at once.

And an aside: Some people might not prefer to unleash this discussion except in threads that address it in particular, but I think it's a safe bet to assume that Charles knew what he was provoking with his choice of wording, and as such, this discussion is not as off-topic as some lizards might wish it were.

172 MarineGrunt  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:28:00pm
173 nemo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:28:31pm

Wow what a incredibly fun and an amazing time that must have been! Thanks for sharing the story and pictures.

Maybe when the giant Hadron super-collider is fully online, we shall finally know what causes gravity.

174 Buster Bunny  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:30:27pm

re: #171 George guy

Well, the US Government is sort of doing both at once.

And an aside: Some people might not prefer to unleash this discussion except in threads that address it in particular, but I think it's a safe bet to assume that Charles knew what he was provoking with his choice of wording, and as such, this discussion is not as off-topic as some lizards might wish it were.

Actually the remarkable thing about evolution is the real kicker in the process. If you were to run the same animal through the SAME process as you had previously, you would end up getting a different result. Thats the remarkable thing, that on a regular basis the chem makeup of life is so complex as to be incomprehensible and yet it all comes from a very quantifiable set of sequences.

The remarkable thing if you acknowledge a creator is not that he has to have a continual participation in the process, but has the ability to create a process that is absolutely random and yet propogational.

Thats pretty amazin stuff.

/Biological Bunny.

175 Summer  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:33:07pm

re: #159 laZardo

That's the problem with fundamentalists. They can't see the Bible in a historical context. They can't see how it doesn't refute the existence of a God simply to explain, quite rationally and without fanfare, that stories back then were told by a lot of people who didn't know anything about how the Universe worked. They were searching as best as they could. Usually they were wrong. They thought the earth was flat. They thought that the sun went around the earth. They saw things which, at first, seem natural to everyone until science comes along and gives us a better explanation.

It doesn't mean that the Bible is worthless, or that any other religious text is worthless. Simply from a sociological point of view, it is a fascinating and beautiful piece of work which can show us forever how people back then dealt with their understanding, or lack thereof, of the Universe around them. In that respect it can be beautiful. It can show us many other things as well.

Saying that it it is part of our history and not to be taken entirely literally doesn't destroy it. It elevates it into the realm of the human experience.

I'm an Atheist, but I would never for one moment say that we should not learn the Bible or the history of the people around the times when we believe it was written. We have to learn that to understand who we are today.

But Intelligent Design, and fundamentalists, are trying to say that those people knew more than we did. They didn't. It is fairly clear to anyone with an honest outlook that these people knew less than we did today. You may not like that, but that's just the way it is. I don't like the fact that one of Einstein's equations also created the nuclear bomb, but that's also just the way it is. People in "biblical ages" were far more ignorant about things than we are today. They were not wiser or smarter. They didn't have incredible insight into things we cannot comprehend. Today, we have power to do things which they literally could not even dream of doing. The Universe is far greater than they could ever have possibly imagined.

Fundamentalists have to realize that this invalidates much of the written word. I'm not saying that it invalidates there being a God or not - that really is up to each person. I won't argue that in this thread, but just saying that the acceptance of evolution invalidates a creator is like comparing apples and oranges.

Fundamentalists just have to get over this insecurity of their holy book being...well...not so holy after all. The belief in God, and what you do with it, may be far more holy than that book itself. That's a fine argument to make. But saying that the book is all correct, and that science shows us only what is in that book because those people knew far more than we do, is ludicrous. It is based on unspeakable ignorance of the entire scope of human history. It is tantamount to saying that we should listen to ignorant children because they know better.

It is time that fundamentalists start shrugging off that stupid system of limitations which, essentially, keeps them in the bronze age. We've moved on as a species. Our societies have also evolved. Perhaps if the fundamentalists evolve along with the rest of us they might better understand where we are coming from.

By all means, believe in God and evolution. But Intelligent Design? Let's be real. If we accept that, then what is the next step? Prayer for genetic modification? Please....

Time to put that canard to rest, and join the progress others have made who never thought that "God did it" was a perfectly acceptable and rational explanation.

176 pat  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:35:25pm

re: #172 MarineGrunt

Google satellite view of house and construction.

Batteries Not Included

177 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:37:19pm

re: #173 nemo

Wow what a incredibly fun and an amazing time that must have been! Thanks for sharing the story and pictures.

Maybe when the giant Hadron super-collider is fully online, we shall finally know what causes gravity.

Provided we don't make a black hole with it.

178 Summer  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:39:27pm

re: #177 astronmr20

re: #177 astronmr20

Provided we don't make a black hole with it.

Actually, we're hoping to make a black hole. It would only last microseconds at best, would be extremely tiny, and would tell us far more about the origins of the universe and the particles in it than a bronze age text ever could. =)

We're talking about a black hole the size of an atom. We are not talking about a black hole which was originally the size of an entire star.

There's a slight difference in scale, you know. =)

179 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:39:48pm

re: #177 astronmr20

Or turn the earth into strangelets.

/not that this planet's strange enough as it is...

180 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:42:08pm

re: #178 Summer

Wait till it sucks in more than just an atom.

See you in the parallel universe.

181 Clemente  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:44:19pm

re: #178 Summer

re: #177 astronmr20

Actually, we're hoping to make a black hole. It would only last microseconds at best, would be extremely tiny, and would tell us far more about the origins of the universe and the particles in it than a bronze age text ever could. =)

We're talking about a black hole the size of an atom. We are not talking about a black hole which was originally the size of an entire star.

There's a slight difference in scale, you know. =)

Do you refer to three-dimensional "size" or mass?

182 Summer  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:45:38pm

re: #180 laZardo

Wait till it sucks in more than just an atom.

See you in the parallel universe.

There aren't enough atoms around this hypothetical black hole to get sucked in by the time it implodes and then probably explodes. Not only that, they would have to be all within range within that microsecond for it to start having an effect. Again...there's a scale thing involved. =)

183 nemo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:48:43pm

re: #175 Summer

I work with a GA Tech graduate, a fellow application developer, who believes the earth is 4000 years old and the story of Noah literally happened, that all life, except for that which was on Noah's arc, was destroyed. I asked him what of Australian marsupials, how did Noah get them on the boa? The answer is simple, at that time, all the land was connected. I tried to explain tectonic plates and the slow movement of land masses, the creation of mountain ranges, etc but returned to the arc story: So I said in order to get the diversity of life on a boat, it'd have to be massive. It was, he explained, and told me the length in cubits. Wow. I went on to explain the build up of ice sheets in the arctic, ice core sampels and how old the earth is to him, the fossil record and the use of C14 carbon dating. He didn't say "hogwash", he didn't have to, but he did say I can find a lot of answers in the bible. He is right there but not answers of science; answers to questions of the basis of morality yes. He is a good kid, in my opinion, who has been taught to be very guarded with his beliefs in God. I would defend his right to believe what he believes from anyone. I just happen to agree with you that the stories in the bible explaning creation were written by people who did not have all the facts. To me God is simply truth.

184 trigger girlie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:49:31pm

morning everyone!

185 nemo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:50:19pm

re: #177 astronmr20

Provided we don't make a black hole with it.

Or a strangelet.

186 zombie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:50:31pm

New at zomblog -- a mini-report on a trivial moonbataganza:

U.C. Berkeley Dismantles Oak Grove “Tree-Sit”

Nothing earthshaking, just more ridiculousness in Berkeley. With a couple of memorable images.

As mentioned in an earlier zombietime report, a ragtag group of protesters have for the last year and a half been “occupying” a small grove of oak trees near the U.C. Berkeley campus, in an attempt to prevent the university from building a new student athletic facility on the site. For unknown reasons, the university never evicted the protesters, who had taken to living in the trees themselves. That is, until today, June 17, 2008, when without warning the university began to dismantle the illegal “tree-sit.”

The eviction of the protesters and the dismantlement of their treehouses and rope network began at 6:30 in the morning. This short photo essay is in no way intended to be a comprehensive document of what happened on June 17 — just one person’s perspective of a few minutes in the day-long incident, much later in the afternoon. Here, one of the tree-sit supporters expresses her opinion of either Berkeley, or (more likely, considering the red-white-and-blue color scheme) the United States.

187 HypnoToad  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:52:25pm
There
aren't enough atoms around this hypothetical black hole to get sucked
in by the time it implodes and then probably explodes. Not only that,
they would have to be all within range within that microsecond for it
to start having an effect. Again...there's a scale thing involved. =)

Even if the micro hole sucked in a number of atoms, its mass would only grow by the mass of those atoms and not increase its lifetime significantly. A black hole would need a much greater mass than they hope to create experimentally in order to outgrow its decay rate by swallowing nearby matter. (about the mass of a small asteroid)

188 laZardo  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:52:25pm

re: #182 Summer

Unless the experiments are being conducted in an absolute vacuum, there's plenty of atoms to go around.

189 Summer  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:52:27pm

re: #181 Clemente

Do you refer to three-dimensional "size" or mass?

Initially "size" in layperson's terms. After that, I'm talking about mass. =) But when you talk about black holes in space and their gravitational effect, they tend to start as extremely large objects. That's all I'm saying.

The black holes we are hoping for in the LHC would be incredibly small and would be lucky to drag one or two other atoms into their mass before they expired. Comparing that to an imploded star is kind of ludicrous. =)

We also have made anti-matter in colliders. But again, at that scale, the reactions aren't big enough to start worrying about blowing up the universe, the galaxy, the solar system, the planet, the continent, the country, or even the small little chamber they are existing inside of for that microsecond.

190 wolfie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:57:06pm

re: #186 zombie

Ha, ha !

I love the girl lying on the ground....excuse me, I mean getting in touch with the ground with a pillow (jacket?) under her head.
Kind of destroys the martyrdom image, but.............

191 wolfie  Tue, Jun 17, 2008 11:59:16pm

re: #186 zombie

Do you ever get the feeling that college kids might be bored?
I have a feeling that I'd better not look at your college moonbat stuff when I start teaching again next year. It makes me want to lay the work on thick!

192 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:00:06am

re: #188 laZardo

Unless the experiments are being conducted in an absolute vacuum, there's plenty of atoms to go around.

1) It's as near a vacuum in that center point where they collide as they can try to get it. If not, their detectors would be utterly useless.

2) Yes, obviously they are throwing particles from two directions against each other, meaning something is there. Which leads me to...

3) It still isn't enough for you to really notice without detectors. Ok?

193 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:00:19am

re: #190 wolfie

Yeah, she was a real drama queen. Trying to act like Isadora Duncan or some tragic heroine. "Oh, the agony of life! I just can't take it any more! I must descend to the ground to recharge my earth-batteries! Oh, and by the way -- could you bring me a brownie or something?"

194 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:02:26am

re: #186 zombie

Found a more interesting "hobo code" link.

195 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:02:29am

re: #193 zombie

I was amused by the fact that there were other kids there........the ones in the building..........that were cheering when the tree houses came down.

196 Clemente  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:04:32am

re: #189 Summer

Thanks for the 'ply! Still worried that 99 44/100 percent of Lizardia might be sucked into LBL's revivified point-mass...

197 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:06:00am

re: #114 American Soldier

91B in the back of a 113......

/or being a patient in the same %-)

198 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:11:27am

re: #195 wolfie

I was amused by the fact that there were other kids there........the ones in the building..........that were cheering when the tree houses came down.

Though it doesn't get much publicity, the truth is most of the students hate the treesitters and want there to be a new athletic training facility. Though you wouldn't learn that from the MSM.

199 Clemente  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:12:08am

Oh crap, now I've done it. And killed the thread!

200 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:14:00am

re: #199 Clemente

Oh crap, now I've done it. And killed the thread!

Did not...

201 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:14:54am

/lurking, waiting for topic to thourghly Change

202 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:15:33am

re: #159 laZardo

I am probably going to ask one of the most FAQs regarding "God" and evolution...

If evolution is proven, doesn't that automatically disprove the existence of a superior deity due to its refutation of Scripture?

why are they mutually exclusive? even the Roman Catholic church doesn't think so.

203 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:16:11am

re: #201 BlueCanuck

/lurking, waiting for topic to thourghly Change

shut up and drink....................

"Hope!"

204 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:18:47am

re: #201 BlueCanuck

/lurking, waiting for topic to thourghly Change

Well, we could go back to hummus and its use as a handy, makeshift paste.
Then again, going back would be reactionary.

205 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:18:55am

re: #182 Summer

There aren't enough atoms around this hypothetical black hole to get sucked in by the time it implodes and then probably explodes. Not only that, they would have to be all within range within that microsecond for it to start having an effect. Again...there's a scale thing involved. =)

hope is not the best insurance policy available......

/Murphy will not be ignored

206 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:21:15am

re: #205 redc1c4

You have to admit it'd be damned funny if we sucked in the whole galaxy!

207 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:24:04am

re: #98 Johnny 100 Pesos

I'm sorry, Discovery Institute again. But they seem to be the only people telling selling this story.

Fixed that for ya.

208 HypnoToad  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:24:47am

re: #206 wolfie

You have to admit it'd be damned funny if we sucked in the whole galaxy!

Remember when they worried about the first atomic bomb igniting the atmosphere and burning us all to kingdom come?

209 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:25:41am

re: #205 redc1c4

hope is not the best insurance policy available......

/Murphy will not be ignored

Hope has nothing to do with it... You can't blow something up with just a few atoms. It has everything to do with actual physics. Saying anything else is like saying you have to "hope" that you don't get stuck in midair when you jump up. We know that we can't blow up more than a few atoms at best. The LHC isn't going to blow up the universe.

210 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:27:07am

re: #22 Johnny 100 Pesos

denied tenure at his university solely for his views on Intelligent Design. dishonest doctrinal refusal to separate appealing but specious arguments from his scientific studies.

Fixed that for ya too. (You seem to need a lot of fixing).

211 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:27:28am

re: #208 HypnoToad

Remember when they worried about the first atomic bomb igniting the atmosphere and burning us all to kingdom come?

I didn't know they worried about that.
Interesting.

212 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:27:46am

re: #209 Summer

The LHC isn't going to blow up the universe.

Well, that sounds like a theory, and we all know how bad those things are...

213 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:27:50am

re: #202 redc1c4

Huh? When'd they disagree? I would think that any major institution that realizes that evolution also disproves the "value of life" would not want to get that word out to their followers.

re: #209 Summer

It's not the entire universe we're worried about. Ever wonder why we haven't found any intelligent life out there, but a lot of black holes?

214 Clemente  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:29:12am

re: #201 BlueCanuck

/lurking, waiting for topic to thourghly Change

(Warning - AP link - all related thread content subject to arbitrary surcharge!)

Security heavy for Olympic flame in China's Muslim region

China says it has &$#ed Tibet for centuries, "$%^*& many Tibetans say their *%^%U&%$ was essentially independent for #%^ of that time. Tensions were @%$&^$^% in March when protests against Chinese #%^& in Lhasa and other ^%&* Tibetan areas throughout China *^#$&^% security clampdown in the region.

Tight security measures are *&^#%^&% for the Lhasa stop.

215 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:29:18am

Hope there's not a redneck at the collider controls... Y'all watch this! :)

Here's a diversion seals on a rock, earlier this afternoon.

216 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:29:42am

re: #206 wolfie

You have to admit it'd be damned funny if we sucked in the whole galaxy!

but that would be a huge waste of my wine and scotch collection.....i was planning on drinking them.

/just for starters.

217 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:30:24am

re: #213 laZardo

Huh? When'd they disagree? I would think that any major institution that realizes that evolution also disproves the "value of life" would not want to get that word out to their followers.

re: #209 Summer

It's not the entire universe we're worried about. Ever wonder why we haven't found any intelligent life out there, but a lot of black holes?

because there's no intelligent life here?

218 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:32:19am

re: #209 Summer

It's not the entire universe we're worried about. Ever wonder why we haven't found any intelligent life out there, but a lot of black holes?

If you think the LHC has any chance of creating a black hole with the initial mass of a collapsed star, you really ought to go back to physics class.

Sorry.

And yes, they did worry about igniting the atmosphere with the explosion of Trinity. And that had actually more real potential of happening - a reaction a trillion times more powerful than the LHC can produce. But it didn't happen. So if a uranium plug the size of a fist didn't blow up the atmosphere, the LHC isn't even going to blow up a match.

219 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:32:34am

re: #209 Summer

Hope has nothing to do with it... You can't blow something up with just a few atoms. It has everything to do with actual physics. Saying anything else is like saying you have to "hope" that you don't get stuck in midair when you jump up. We know that we can't blow up more than a few atoms at best. The LHC isn't going to blow up the universe.

no doubt, but the infantryman in me cringes anyway.....

/danger close is a wonderful concept, until you are part of it %-)

220 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:33:07am

re: #217 redc1c4

There won't be in a generation or two if this Creationism (using) definition from #167) keeps up.

221 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:33:42am

re: #220 laZardo

PIMF, one too many closing parentheses.

222 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:33:54am

re: #215 slokat

Hope there's not a redneck at the collider controls... Y'all watch this! :)

Here's a diversion seals on a rock, earlier this afternoon.

like me?

"more power!" %-)

223 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:33:59am

re: #178 Summer

re: #177 astronmr20

Actually, we're hoping to make a black hole. It would only last microseconds at best, would be extremely tiny, and would tell us far more about the origins of the universe and the particles in it than a bronze age text ever could. =)

We're talking about a black hole the size of an atom. We are not talking about a black hole which was originally the size of an entire star.

There's a slight difference in scale, you know. =)

re: #182 Summer

There aren't enough atoms around this hypothetical black hole to get sucked in by the time it implodes and then probably explodes. Not only that, they would have to be all within range within that microsecond for it to start having an effect. Again...there's a scale thing involved. =)

re: #189 Summer

Initially "size" in layperson's terms. After that, I'm talking about mass. =) But when you talk about black holes in space and their gravitational effect, they tend to start as extremely large objects. That's all I'm saying.

The black holes we are hoping for in the LHC would be incredibly small and would be lucky to drag one or two other atoms into their mass before they expired. Comparing that to an imploded star is kind of ludicrous. =)

We also have made anti-matter in colliders. But again, at that scale, the reactions aren't big enough to start worrying about blowing up the universe, the galaxy, the solar system, the planet, the continent, the country, or even the small little chamber they are existing inside of for that microsecond.

You're making me nervous here.

Isn't the whole point of a black hole that, once it gets started, there's no way to un-start it? And no way to destroy it? If it explodes, then it wasn't a black hole to begin with. Nothing can emerge from within a black hole -- not even radiation. Right? Yes, I know about different types of particles escaping from the event horizon, but once they've crossed that line -- they're gone. I mean, that's the definition of a black hole.

So even if you created a black hole that was just two atoms big, by what mechanism could it implode/explode? And if it did so, then why would it be deemed a black hole in the first place?

I do worry that they will create a submicroscopic black hole that will become stable, and then, atom by atom, unstoppably eat up the whole world eventually.

224 HypnoToad  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:34:33am

re: #206 wolfie

You have to admit it'd be damned funny if we sucked in the whole galaxy!

Maybe that's why nobody else will talk to us....

/rimshot

225 trigger girlie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:35:18am

re: #200 rawmuse

hey raw!

226 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:35:54am

re: #218 Summer

I never said such a happening would be a bad thing...

227 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:36:30am

re: #218 Summer

Agreed, besides a micro black hole will evaporate almost as fast as it's created. I think Stephen Hawking has talked about this and done the math on it.

228 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:36:44am

There shall be no blowing up of the universe until I get back to my bed in San Francisco.

229 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:37:04am

re: #224 HypnoToad

:D

230 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:37:18am

So , trees, cherry pickers, feces throwing proto-sapiens, hungry earth babe, jeering athletes, bored cops... I wonder if the trees feel like they just got deloused, or are terrified about the next step?

/justing feeling like I'm in Berkeley

Thanks Zombie!

231 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:38:25am

re: #40 astronmr20

Yes it is absolutely related to mass, but we don't know why. No clue.

Well, it's really about the curvature of space-time. Which is another way of saying that we have no clue.

232 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:38:54am

Changing topics...


In memory of Cyd Charrise.

233 Clemente  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:39:01am

re: #223 zombie

You're making me nervous here.

...

...by what mechanism could it implode/explode?

That were my next question!

234 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:39:14am

re: #230 slokat

Now that you mention it, I have a feeling they'd slit their own throats with a chain saw if they could!

235 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:39:34am

re: #230 slokat

First they're committing a Holocaust of teh Palistenians, now they're prepping the trees for the ovens to amke paper!

/rapid, shitty typing intended

236 Three Hundred  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:40:46am

re: #208 HypnoToad

Remember when they worried about the first atomic bomb igniting the atmosphere and burning us all to kingdom come?

"Teller also raised the speculative possibility that an atomic bomb might "ignite" the atmosphere, because of a hypothetical fusion reaction of nitrogen nuclei. Bethe calculated, according to Serber, that it could not happen. In his book The Road from Los Alamos, Bethe says a refutation was written by Konopinski, C. Marvin, and Teller as report LA-602, showing that ignition of the atmosphere was impossible, not just unlikely.[7] In Serber's account, Oppenheimer mentioned it to Arthur Compton, who "didn't have enough sense to shut up about it. It somehow got into a document that went to Washington" which led to the question being "never laid to rest"."

source: wikipedia

237 HypnoToad  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:41:34am

re: #223 zombie

You're making me nervous here.


I do worry that they
will create a submicroscopic black hole that will become stable, and
then, atom by atom, unstoppably eat up the whole world eventually.

No need to worry. Micro mass black holes have very brief lifetimes (microseconds at best) before they lose their mass due to Hawking radiation and expire. Their event horizons are also much smaller than an atom at these tiny masses, so it is almost impossible for them to swallow any additional mass before they expire.

238 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:42:22am

re: #209 Summer

Hope has nothing to do with it... You can't blow something up with just a few atoms. It has everything to do with actual physics. Saying anything else is like saying you have to "hope" that you don't get stuck in midair when you jump up. We know that we can't blow up more than a few atoms at best. The LHC isn't going to blow up the universe.

There was a great but little-seen New Zealand movie on this very topic. Two scientists were experimenting on a seemingly trivial project in some obscure lab; they flipped the switch on some device they had invented and -- poof -- every living thing in the universe disappeared in an instant, having been accidentally transported to another dimension.

But we don't follow those people. The scene stays on earth, where the handful of people who were momentarily "dead" at the moment the experiment went awry all came back to life, and had to restart civilization. There was a guy who was being drowned by an assailant, and whose heart had stopped -- but who recovered once his assailant disappeared and he came back up out of the water. Then there was a woman who was in the process of being electrocuted during the experiment, and who was technically dead for a brief time, but who was jolted back to life. A newborn late-term fetus; and so on.

Anyway, it was quite interesting. And I fear that the hadron collider might totally unintentionally do something similar!

239 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:43:27am

re: #238 zombie

Sliders FTW?

240 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:45:00am

re: #237 HypnoToad

No need to worry. Micro mass black holes have very brief lifetimes (microseconds at best) before they lose their mass due to Hawking radiation and expire. Their event horizons are also much smaller than an atom at these tiny masses, so it is almost impossible for them to swallow any additional mass before they expire.

"almost"

you'll excuse me while i go get another drink.......

/no sense it going to waste in a black hole, when i can waste it down my pie hole. %-)

241 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:45:52am

re: #94 Cognito

I may be the only reader who feels this way, Charles, but this particular criticism seems to be tipping toward gratuitousness.

There must be a million other philosophies out there deserving attention, as well.

You're a pro, cognito. What's the word for a touchy-feely squishy cuddly troll? And I accidentally updinged you. Meant to be down.

May all of your stuffing fall out your seams.

242 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:47:32am

re: #230 slokat

So , trees, cherry pickers, feces throwing proto-sapiens, hungry earth babe, jeering athletes, bored cops... I wonder if the trees feel like they just got deloused, or are terrified about the next step?

/justing feeling like I'm in Berkeley

Thanks Zombie!

I also decided not to use the photo of the three squashed rat corpses.

The tree-sitters had created an entire verminous ecosystem. The trees never had it so bad.

Anyway: The oaks are not "old-growth trees," just part of the stadium landscaping planted in the 1920s; and for every tree the university needs to cut down for the building, they're going to plant three new ones nearby.

But no matter. The communist/anarchist lunatics have found their cause celebre, and they will not let go!

243 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:47:52am

re: #234 wolfie

realized after the fact that I should've asked if the trees were petrified about what happens next?

244 HypnoToad  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:52:01am

I'm going to drop beyond the event horizon of my subconcious. I need to be fresh in the morning to finish that ocillation overthruster design at work.

G-nite

245 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:52:03am

BTW, why are they still trying to find the Higgs Boson... I thought it was already discovered to have a mass of 13131313...(repeating)....

246 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:53:00am

re: #238 zombie

There was a great but little-seen New Zealand movie on this very topic. Two scientists were experimenting on a seemingly trivial project in some obscure lab; they flipped the switch on some device they had invented and -- poof -- every living thing in the universe disappeared in an instant, having been accidentally transported to another dimension.

But we don't follow those people. The scene stays on earth, where the handful of people who were momentarily "dead" at the moment the experiment went awry all came back to life, and had to restart civilization. There was a guy who was being drowned by an assailant, and whose heart had stopped -- but who recovered once his assailant disappeared and he came back up out of the water. Then there was a woman who was in the process of being electrocuted during the experiment, and who was technically dead for a brief time, but who was jolted back to life. A newborn late-term fetus; and so on.

Anyway, it was quite interesting. And I fear that the hadron collider might totally unintentionally do something similar!

Yea, it was an awesome movie and I saw it when I was really young. It came on cable.

The LHC isn't going to do that.

Also to re-iterate for the other question about black holes expiring: It would basically kill itself. As somebody said, it would dissipate its own mass with radiation within microseconds. Again, mass has everything to do with it. Just as mass had everything to do with the calculations involving the first atomic explosion. They knew exactly how much energy would be created. We know exactly how much energy would be created with a micro black hole. The same applies to creating anti-matter in a collider. We've done that many times. By all accounts, people like some on this blog would have been fearful of blowing up the entire world with a few microseconds of energetic release from three or four anti-protons. It didn't happen. We knew it wouldn't happen. Only people who didn't understand the physics involved thought it might happen.

The physicists knew all along it wasn't going to happen. But they sure were excited to see anti-protons being created. Just as they'll be excited to see micro black holes being created.

247 Clemente  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:53:28am

re: #238 zombie

At the end of it, I utterly support particle physics research. There's nothing happening there, that doesn't happen a trillion, quadrillion times per second just nine light-minutes from us. It's just easier for the folks with polyfoldy-brains to watch it in super-colliders. What they can describe for me, I wanna know .

248 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:54:33am

re: #242 zombie

I also decided not to use the photo of the three squashed rat corpses.

cool, thanks for the self editting!

I keep finding more and more situations where people protest things, based on a view that history started the day they were born.

249 Salem  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:57:01am

re: #100 Johnny 100 Pesos

Hey, Charles started it...or did you ot see his tiresome dig at Discovery?

So why subject yourself to such a tiresome blog?

250 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:58:18am

Ah, finally found that film:

The Quiet Earth

Highly recommended if you can find it!

I've never net anyone who's ever set it (or even heard of it) except me.

251 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 12:59:40am

re: #248 slokat

cool, thanks for the self editting!

I keep finding more and more situations where people protest things, based on a view that history started the day they were born.

it didn't?

/but my therapist told me i was *special*!

252 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:00:11am

re: #250 zombie

Well, I've seen it. It's a great movie. =) I love the first part when he thinks he's completely alone. And then he runs into the woman and the Maori guy and they try to figure out why they are "alive" and no one else is around.

Really fascinating movie. I never forgot it. =)

253 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:00:54am

re: #250 zombie

Yes, now that I see the title and the plot synopsis I remember seeing it as well. I do recall the main character rammed the generator in the end of the movie and awoke to find himself in another world at the end. Really cool concept and I enjoyed it.

254 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:01:18am

Ho-Hum...looks like Boston's getting another championship parade. How many is that? I keep losing track....

255 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:01:45am

re: #251 redc1c4

"special" red?

256 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:02:36am

re: #251 redc1c4

it didn't?

/but my therapist told me i was *special*!

Well we all know that.

257 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:04:28am

re: #246 Summer

Well, I can see how a few atoms of anti-matter couldn't possibly destroy aanything more than a few mirror-image matter atoms, since they'd bonk into each other and go "poof" and essentially evaporate almost instantly.

But a black hole is the opposite of that -- every time it would encounter some mass, it would just swallow up that mass and get bigger.

What I'm hearing here is that we all have absolute faith in "Hawking radiation" emanating from the micro-black hole to such an extent that it would also evaporate very quickly. But if we've never created a black hole before, and if Hawking radiation has never been directly observed, just inferred, in "feral" black holes, then how can we be absolutely 100% sure that it will work as Hawking imagines?

258 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:05:16am

With that, I'm going to go quiet for the night.

I hope everyone sleeps alright without worrying about massive black holes swallowing up your homes. =)

That is...unless you happen to be an electron or something...

259 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:05:37am

re: #186 zombie

The one lying on the road seems to have missed the fact that she was lying on asphalt instead of dirt. And she expected someone to feed her?

260 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:06:14am

re: #257 zombie

Hawking radiation has never been directly observed, just inferred, in "feral" black holes, then how can we be absolutely 100% sure that it will work as Hawking imagines?

gotta have faith...

/

261 Summer  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:06:27am

re: #257 zombie

I might answer that after I sleep. =)

262 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:06:55am

re: #255 slokat

"special" red?

little yellow wine tasting tour bus and all.... %-)

/yes: we still owe you a check

263 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:10:32am

re: #261 Summer

The suspense is killing us!

/

264 Three Hundred  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:15:06am

Zombie, didn't I see a while ago that you were working on making "nobama" stickers available somewhere, or was that just spoof?

265 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:16:38am

re: #262 redc1c4

wasn't worried, have only been drinking outa my half...

266 trigger girlie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:17:49am

Too bad there was no bulldozer anywhere around to "fix" her. Then we could enjoy pancakes days more often.

267 Three Hundred  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:18:53am

re: #186 zombie

New at zomblog -- a mini-report on a trivial moonbataganza:

U.C. Berkeley Dismantles Oak Grove “Tree-Sit”

Nothing earthshaking, just more ridiculousness in Berkeley. With a couple of memorable images.

Photo number 1 sums it up nicely. Strong work as usual Zombie.

268 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:19:49am

re: #263 laZardo

The suspense is killing us!

/

better suspense than black holes....

269 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:24:09am

re: #247 Clemente

At the end of it, I utterly support particle physics research. There's nothing happening there, that doesn't happen a trillion, quadrillion times per second just nine light-minutes from us. It's just easier for the folks with polyfoldy-brains to watch it in super-colliders. What they can describe for me, I wanna know .

Oh, I totally support basic physics research too. I am after all just a short distance from Stanford and UC Berkeley -- where the cyclotron was invented!

270 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:24:21am

re: #250 zombie

Highly recommended if you can find it!

Oh ye of little faith...
[Link: www.mininova.org...]
[Link: www.mininova.org...]

271 zombie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:28:08am

re: #264 Three Hundred

Zombie, didn't I see a while ago that you were working on making "nobama" stickers available somewhere, or was that just spoof?

It was real, but buzzsawmonkey, my partner and front man, has not had the time or gumption to take the final step to make the shop go "live." We'll just have to be patient.

272 Three Hundred  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:29:43am

re: #271 zombie

Thanks for the update.

273 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:48:11am

re: #271 zombie

It was real, but buzzsawmonkey, my partner and front man, has not had the time or gumption to take the final step to make the shop go "live." We'll just have to be patient.

there's always "Plan B"

274 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:55:06am

re: #273 redc1c4

now i've killed the thread.....

what does that say about intelligent design?

/white smoke

275 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:56:33am

Wow- owing to either the lateness of the hour, my celebratory drinking or my dyslexia, I initially thought Zombie was linking to a photo essay on the USS Berkely.

And then I got to wondering what the hypothetical USS Berkley would look like.....probably pink. If there were any 16 or 18-inch guns, they probably wouldn't shoot anything save for a gi-normous NO WAR FOR OIL flag....

276 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 1:59:56am

As dead as this thread is, nobody's too dead to enjoy some fruitcup now, are they?

277 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:00:07am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

278 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:01:17am

Fenway! :-)

I'm trying to remember if we have basketball in Philadelphia. We used to...I think. ;-)

Congrats!

279 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:03:32am

re: #276 Fenway_Nation

As dead as this thread is, nobody's too dead to enjoy some fruitcup now, are they?

good thing i spiked it when i did, eh.....

and LoL has no clue, 'cause she dispensed it righ5t on cue.

/evil

280 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:03:44am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

I'm trying to remember if we have basketball in Philadelphia. We used to...I think. ;-)

Congrats!


On what? The Red Sox shutting out the Phils last night? That was pretty awesome (gotta love Lester!), but today is the rubber game, LoL

281 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:04:57am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

I'm trying to remember if we have basketball in Philadelphia. We used to...I think. ;-)

Congrats!

it was good to see the "great" Kobe taken down.

now if we could just find a team dumb enough to trade for him.... %-)

282 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:05:11am

re: #275 Fenway_Nation

My theory on the appearance of the "USS Berkeley."

283 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:08:03am

re: #282 laZardo

(reading the article)

...Greenpeace? In MY country of residence!?

284 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:09:06am

re: #282 laZardo

My theory on the appearance of the "USS Berkeley."

Damn....where are some Frenchy DGSE agents when you need them?

285 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:09:59am

re: #277 littleoldlady

Always appreciated, and satisfies my craving for munchies as I watch Cyd Charisse (RIP) clips...

286 Ledger1  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:10:38am

re: #193 zombie

Yeah, she was a real drama queen. Trying to act like Isadora Duncan or some tragic heroine. "Oh, the agony of life! I just can't take it any more! I must descend to the ground to recharge my earth-batteries! Oh, and by the way -- could you bring me a brownie or something?"

You could have done something treacherous. You could have said in a convincing voice:

OK, just stay there. I will be back.”

Two weeks later you return...

287 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:10:54am

re: #280 Fenway_Nation

Aha. Thanks for the heads up. I always have to check the Phillies score before calling my brother in NY.

/40+ years of crabby

red! Behave yourself!

/where's BlueCanuck?!

laZardo! :-)

Everyone else! :-)

288 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:12:07am

the new LNDT theme song?

"CHANGE!"

289 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:12:57am

re: #287 littleoldlady

Aha. Thanks for the heads up. I always have to check the Phillies score before calling my brother in NY.

/40+ years of crabby

red! Behave yourself!

/where's BlueCanuck?!

laZardo! :-)

Everyone else! :-)

i *always* behave like myself......

/shesh

290 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:13:06am

From your link, LaZardo

The Rainbow Warrior, piloted by skipper Mike Fincken, docked at the Legazpi City port in Albay on May 22, 2008 for her one month long "Quit Coal, Save the Climate" Philippines tour and campaign aimed to educate people on the effects of the use of coal on the environment, specifically on climate change. The tour proposed alternative energy sources such as geothermal and solar energy.[1]

Coal for brown people = bad
Diesel fuel for honorable, well intentioned, enlightened white people = good.

Propulsion: Two Diesel Deutz M.W.M.
2 x 6 cylinder
2 x 500 KW

291 Cognito  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:13:23am

re: #241 MajorPribluda

You're a pro, cognito. What's the word for a touchy-feely squishy cuddly troll? And I accidentally updinged you. Meant to be down.

May all of your stuffing fall out your seams.

Good evening to you as well, MajorPribluda.

292 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:13:24am

freetoken! :-)

She's dead? (When?) :-(

293 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:14:00am

Ledger1! :-)

294 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:14:12am

re: #287 littleoldlady

Aha. Thanks for the heads up. I always have to check the Phillies score before calling my brother in NY.
Everyone else! :-)

At least he didn't get shitcanned at 3 AM like Willy Randolph did....

295 ebed_melech  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:15:28am

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1.18-21
I think this text applies well here, having considered some of the tactics used, although I acknowledge I have been careless in one of my assertions.

296 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:15:35am

re: #284 Fenway_Nation

Unfortunately, the paper-pushers upstairs rendered them toothless due to the backlash from doing the right thing.

297 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:15:53am

re: #292 littleoldlady

Yesterday, I believe:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

298 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:18:35am

re: #295 ebed_melech

among other things...... (carelessness, that is. %-)

/green smoke

299 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:19:32am

re: #297 freetoken

Oh man. :-( I saw her in a (fairly) recent interview on TCM. She still looked like a million bucks in her 70's or 80's.

300 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:21:40am

re: #296 laZardo

Unfortunately, the paper-pushers upstairs rendered them toothless due to the backlash from doing the right thing.

They seem to be gung-ho about blowing up some hippie's 2ndhand trawler in New Zealand but seem to hesitate when it comes to sending the Leigon to Afghanistan, Iraq or the Balkans

/I intentionally left out Africa, since they seem to be sending paratroopers to their former colonies (Central African Republic, the Comoro Islands, the Ivory Coast) seemingly once a month...

301 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:21:50am

re: #296 laZardo

Unfortunately, the paper-pushers upstairs rendered them toothless due to the backlash from doing the right thing.

the penalty for unpopular speech is *not* supposed to be death.......

/even in France.

302 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:28:50am

re: #281 redc1c4

it was good to see the "great" Kobe taken down.

now if we could just find a team dumb enough to trade for him.... %-)

Our team (Grizzlies) is pretty damn stupid when trading these days. We'll take him.

Morning red

littleoldlady

Fenway

LaZardo

freetoken

Everybody

Congratulations to the Celtics Nation.

303 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:30:41am

the only down side to the Fakers getting the thrashing they deserved is that, historically, when they've won a championship in an election year, a Republican has won.

/since none are nominated...... %-)

304 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:30:44am

re: #299 littleoldlady

She will be missed. The young ones around here may not be aware (how many people under 30 have even heard of her?), but she was a great dancer. Of Astaire's regular partners I think she was his best match (dance skill wise, though Rogers no doubt had the perfect personality to play off of Fred.)

Some good clips of her and Ricardo Montalban:


305 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:30:57am

DAN! :-)

306 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:32:01am

re: #281 redc1c4

it was good to see the "great" Kobe taken down.

now if we could just find a team dumb enough to trade for him.... %-)

He'll probably demand another trade.....

Just what the world needs......NBA offseason drama.

307 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:36:59am

re: #306 Fenway_Nation

Send him to Miami. Seriously, the Finals would've been much more spectacular if Shaq hadn't been traded...

308 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:37:00am

re: #302 AmeriDan

Good morning.

Would you like some planets with your eggs this morning?

309 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:38:22am

re: #304 freetoken

Singing in the Rain. Unforgettable.

310 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:39:50am

re: #306 Fenway_Nation

He'll probably demand another trade.....

Just what the world needs......NBA offseason drama.

just get him out of LA...... draft choices, popcorn subsidies, extra towels, i'm easy. Lakers to me are Baylor, Chamberlain, West, Goodrich, Harriston, etc..............i want team players.

/drama we have.....
(Brittaney, anyone? %-P

311 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:40:04am

re: #308 freetoken

Good morning.

Would you like some planets with your eggs this morning?

Mmmmm, planets. Love'em, but find they go strait to my thighs.

312 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:41:13am

re: #308 freetoken

In galaxies far, far away...

313 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:44:14am
314 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:46:05am

Morning all. Japanese firm creates 15 inch tall robot for lonely men.

Sega, best known for its home video game consoles, has introduced a 15-inch tall robotic 'girlfriend' that kisses on command... The robot, named "EMA," which stands for Eternal Maiden Actualization, is designed to pucker up for nearby human heads, entering "love mode" using a series of infrared sensors powered by battery. "We wanted to provide a robot that's sweet and interactive," said Minako Sakanoue, a spokeswoman for the maker, Sega Toys to Reuters news agency. "She's very lovable and though she's not a human, she can act like a real girlfriend."
EMA can also hand out business cards, sing and dance.


Because lonely men really want a girlfriend who can sing and hand out business cards.

315 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:46:27am

re: #313 ploome hineni

...nauseating stroking of michelle

[Link: www.iht.com...]


.............oh that poor sweet thing

I just hurled my planets and eggs after reading that.

316 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:47:27am

alternative LNDT theme song......

and i'll keep nominating them until i get a consensus......

/or something else! %-)

317 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:47:33am
Conservative columnists accuse her of being unpatriotic and say she simmers with undigested racial anger. A blogger who supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton circulates unfounded claims that Obama gave an accusatory speech in her church about the sins of "whitey."

Wait.....I thought us right-wing kooks and eacists were perpetuauting the myth of the nonexistent 'whitey' tapes.

318 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:48:48am

re: #314 Jim in Virginia

They actually want a little more than that...

/short skirts are equipped standard.

319 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:49:21am

re: #312 laZardo

In galaxies far, far away...

Thirty years and I've still got the hots for Princess Leia.

320 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:50:03am

re: #316 redc1c4

alternative LNDT theme song......

and i'll keep nominating them until i get a consensus......

/or something else! %-)

That one gets my vote! :-)

321 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:50:14am
322 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:50:41am

plooooooooooome! :-)

{My Rove!}

323 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:52:48am
324 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:53:49am
325 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:54:05am

re: #316 redc1c4

alternative LNDT theme song......

and i'll keep nominating them until i get a consensus......

/or something else! %-)

He's a Democrat, but what the heck, I'll vote for Toby. I'm already voting for a Democrat -McCain- for President. Might as well make it a clean sweep.

326 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:55:02am

{littleoldlady}
Howdy ploome!
Got to run, waaaaay too much work to do. Stay safe lizards.

327 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:55:08am

re: #311 AmeriDan

Mmmmm, planets. Love'em, but find they go strait to my thighs.

nothing wrong with strait..... as long as you don't write it down.

328 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:56:16am

re: #312 laZardo

My suspicion is that we will never find such a planet in reality... we could be alone in the universe (to touch briefly on the hot topic from yesterday.) Even if such a civilization existed that could build a city that covered a whole planet, who would want to do such a thing?

329 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:57:22am

re: #323 ploome hineni

she is making sure her thesis is UNAVAILABLE

The two of them must have pretty good throwing arms between what's being thrown down the memory hole and who's being thrown under the bus....

330 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 2:58:21am

re: #324 ploome hineni

:D

FIST PUMP and a little dap

You are so "hip"! ! !. By golly... elect ploome president! From your postings here, you do seem to be more qualified than a certain *ahem* messiah/Manchurian candidate.

331 Macker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:00:21am

re: #314 Jim in Virginia

Morning all. Japanese firm creates 15 inch tall robot for lonely men.
.
.
.
Because lonely men really want a girlfriend who can sing and hand out business cards.

And does it do this too?

332 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:00:29am

re: #328 freetoken

Probably the Trekkies.

333 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:00:36am
334 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:01:07am

re: #330 AmeriDan

You are so "hip"! ! !. By golly... elect ploome president! From your postings here, you do seem to be more qualified than a certain *ahem* messiah/Manchurian candidate.

ANY of us is more qualified!

/sheesh

335 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:01:50am
336 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:03:55am

re: #327 redc1c4

nothing wrong with strait..... as long as you don't write it down.

Heh, it's early. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

But can I check yes or no?

337 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:04:01am

re: #309 littleoldlady

Yeah, that she could hang with both Kelly and Astaire says a lot about her, though in Singing in the Rain that particular scene you linked is not my favorite. I think I prefer this simple fantasy scene.

I really, really like the earlier Astaire/Charisse scene I posted earlier... very good choreography for both of them.

338 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:04:04am

re: #329 Fenway_Nation

Their bus must have a pretty good suspension too given what's been thrown under it.

339 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:06:43am

re: #334 littleoldlady

ANY of us is more qualified!

/sheesh

But... but... ploome did a fist pump and a dap!

/media swoon off

340 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:09:28am

re: #335 ploome hineni

I'm young, I've spent most of my younger years and education in a foreign country, and I often have grand, megalomaniacal visions of a lot of things.

/doppelganger?

341 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:09:36am

re: #337 freetoken

You're right. That scene is better.

342 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:11:20am

re: #340 laZardo

Ruh roh....

343 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:12:39am

re: #342 littleoldlady

Yep. Of course, since I'd be the Opposite Number, I'd need a "redneck" girlfriend or somesuch to cover for me in case things get hairy. >__>

344 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:13:07am

re: #325 AmeriDan

He's a Democrat, but what the heck, I'll vote for Toby. I'm already voting for a Democrat -McCain- for President. Might as well make it a clean sweep.

all the more reason to drink heavily......

.

345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:15:44am
346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:16:28am
347 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:16:53am

re: #342 littleoldlady

Ruh roh....

A two person race now is it?

An easy way to settle this is who has the most diverse heritage.

LaZardo or ploome?

/because the's what matters most.

348 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:16:58am

re: #328 freetoken

My suspicion is that we will never find such a planet in reality... we could be alone in the universe (to touch briefly on the hot topic from yesterday.) Even if such a civilization existed that could build a city that covered a whole planet, who would want to do such a thing?

huh? are you mad?

my suspicion is that our search will be limited by E=MC2 for the foreseeable future........unless someone goes OTB to think different, and gets away with it.

349 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:17:36am

re: #346 ploome hineni

ever get that email?

do i know you?

/smoke

350 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:18:26am

Good morning! At the risk of sounding really uninformed, I have a question for the science knowledgeable.
We know that the Universe is constantly expanding. Scientists now say that it will not collapse, but will expand into infinity.
That means that there are boundaries albeit expanding boundaries.
What is beyond the boundaries?

351 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:19:06am

re: #347 AmeriDan

According to family record (i.e. whatever I can scrape up and what my parents/grampies have told me), I've got Portuguese, Chinese and native Filipino heritage.

/mmm, transcontinental. (:

352 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:20:16am

re: #347 AmeriDan

Oh, that's easy. ploome does!

353 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:21:41am

re: #344 redc1c4

all the more reason to drink heavily......

.

Okay, I'll let you know if I agree tomorrow, after I find out what all my friends say.

354 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:25:33am

re: #353 AmeriDan

Okay, I'll let you know if I agree tomorrow, after I find out what all my friends say.

i'll save you some trouble: all my Usenet friends are coming over tonight!

do ya wanna party?

355 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:28:52am

Robert Kennedy jr. is now on Fox & Friends debating energy with Mike Gallagher
He of course opposes off shore drilling & Anwar & nuclear energy.
It may just be his quaverig voice, but his presentation sounds silly.

356 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:29:17am

re: #350 opnion

Classic question, once it was determined that the universe is "closed." From my understanding (no where near complete...), you have three choices:

1. nothing, not even space. Given a closed universe, there is no such thing as an "outside". At one time this was the standard answer.

2. 3 dimensional but totally empty (no material, or even time) Euclidean space;

3. Other universes of possibly different dimensionality. That is, our universe was just a bubble that happened ("created"?) off of another one.

357 jeremy1013  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:29:17am

"Modern Fools. 'Tis claiming the field of engineering has nothing to do with crossing a bridge."

Mereological folly.

358 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:30:27am

re: #346 ploome hineni

my evil twin did...... more responses to follow. %-)

359 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:30:33am

re: #351 laZardo

According to family record (i.e. whatever I can scrape up and what my parents/grampies have told me), I've got Portuguese, Chinese and native Filipino heritage.

/mmm, transcontinental. (:

re: #352 littleoldlady

Oh, that's easy. ploome does!

Sorry LaZardo, I can't give you my endorsement if littleoldlady declares ploome more ethnically diverse.

Unless, of course- and considering the fine melting pot type lineage you have- you can offer me...

CHANGE! ! !

With a large heapin' helpin' of...

HOPE! ! !

/I'm all about the issues

360 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:31:17am

re: #355 opnion

Robert Kennedy jr. is now on Fox & Friends debating energy with Mike Gallagher
He of course opposes off shore drilling & Anwar & nuclear energy.
It may just be his quaverig voice, but his presentation sounds silly.

could be the bullshit nature of his position.......

/just saying

361 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:31:43am

re: #356 freetoken

Classic question, once it was determined that the universe is "closed." From my understanding (no where near complete...), you have three choices:

1. nothing, not even space. Given a closed universe, there is no such thing as an "outside". At one time this was the standard answer.

2. 3 dimensional but totally empty (no material, or even time) Euclidean space;

3. Other universes of possibly different dimensionality. That is, our universe was just a bubble that happened ("created"?) off of another one.


Thank you. Of the three options that you enumerate, I would lean toward #3. it is more logical than the other 2, but.........

362 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:32:44am

re: #350 opnion

You have my assurance that you won't get "more of the same." CHANGE is not just about being different, it's about doing things different and making a difference as well, while respecting the differences of others.

/That's it! DIFFERENCE!

363 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:33:34am

re: #359 AmeriDan

Sorry LaZardo, I can't give you my endorsement if littleoldlady declares ploome more ethnically diverse.

Unless, of course- and considering the fine melting pot type lineage you have- you can offer me...

CHANGE! ! !

With a large heapin' helpin' of...

HOPE! ! !

/I'm all about the issues

besides ploome & LoL are inherently more desirable....

/compared to lazardo

364 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:33:55am

Anybody have quick access to that list of dems vs. repubs in congress over energy votes?

/in the middle of a "discussion" with a moonbat friend...

365 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:34:00am

re: #360 redc1c4

could be the bullshit nature of his position.......

/just saying

Certainly doesn't help him. He just drones on about what he does not like, but offers no alternatives. He just keeps on insisting that we need alternatives.

366 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:34:49am

re: #363 redc1c4

ploome is GORGEOUS.

/as for me...you need glasses!

367 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:35:17am

re: #363 redc1c4

;____; Stop being so closed-minded!

/

//Gotta head home from work, will try to BBL if my new PS3 doesn't go LHC on me.

368 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:35:29am

re: #361 opnion

It is an option that appeals to some but full of problems too... Sean Carroll (google him) is a physicist who lately seems to be pushing this idea.

369 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:35:59am

re: #354 redc1c4

i'll save you some trouble: all my Usenet friends are coming over tonight!

do ya wanna party?

Let's party on, dude! What was I thinking?

370 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:36:37am

Good everybody, but I want to leave you all with one more delightful Cyd dance number, again with the dapper Ricardo Montalban.

371 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:36:43am

re: #362 laZardo

You have my assurance that you won't get "more of the same." CHANGE is not just about being different, it's about doing things different and making a difference as well, while respecting the differences of others.

/That's it! DIFFERENCE!

I believe that you may hve responded to the wrong post.

372 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:36:52am

re: #366 littleoldlady

ploome is GORGEOUS.

/as for me...you need glasses!

not necessarily..... i just like Cougars.

373 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:38:19am

re: #368 freetoken

It is an option that appeals to some but full of problems too... Sean Carroll (google him) is a physicist who lately seems to be pushing this idea.

I'll do that. It is really a mind teaser. It appears , that we just do not , at this time have the means to give a definitive answer.

374 laZardo  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:38:34am

re: #371 opnion

Oh.

...

Uh...that was actually a response for all of you guys, and...uh...can't you just let me eat my cereal?

/

//srsly, BBL. Cheers.

375 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:39:56am

re: #372 redc1c4

not necessarily..... i just like Cougars.

Ploome's a Cougar?

376 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:40:00am

re: #374 laZardo

Oh.

...

Uh...that was actually a response for all of you guys, and...uh...can't you just let me eat my cereal?

/

//srsly, BBL. Cheers.

As you were. Have some juice too.

377 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:41:23am

re: #374 laZardo

Oh.

...

Uh...that was actually a response for all of you guys, and...uh...can't you just let me eat my cereal?

/

//srsly, BBL. Cheers.

No waffle?

/suspicious

378 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:41:47am

re: #205 redc1c4

hope is not the best insurance policy available......

/Murphy will not be ignored

Well, the first atmospheric nuclear test didn't ignite the atmosphere, or destroy New Mexico, as Fermi's gallows humor suggested.

Let's give it another shot!

"If my calculations are correct..."

379 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:43:41am

re: #375 AmeriDan

Ploome's a Cougar?

no, but LoL is ......

(you'll *never* look at fruit cup the same way again %-)

380 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:46:45am

re: #379 redc1c4

no, but LoL is ......

(you'll *never* look at fruit cup the same way again %-)

Grrrrrrrr.

381 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:48:33am

re: #350 opnion

Good morning! At the risk of sounding really uninformed, I have a question for the science knowledgeable.
We know that the Universe is constantly expanding. Scientists now say that it will not collapse, but will expand into infinity.
That means that there are boundaries albeit expanding boundaries.
What is beyond the boundaries?


Nothing.

What was in the universe befoer G-d created it?

382 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:48:57am

re: #378 Dar ul Harb

Greetings Dar,

You live in a certain river city, right?

/not a crazed stalker, just trying to set up a dinner with other lizards

383 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:49:47am

re: #381 Jim in Virginia

Nothing.

What was in the universe befoer G-d created it?

franchise stores, malls and parking lots......

/duh

384 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:50:53am

An old, tired and overly-stressed cougar.

/verybigsigh

Good day, ALL!™

385 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:53:19am

re: #384 littleoldlady

An old, tired and overly-stressed cougar.

/verybigsigh

Good day, ALL!™

but still attractive..... you go girl! %-)

i'm for the rack!

L8r! %-)

386 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:53:26am

re: #378 Dar ul Harb

Guess I need to read a bit downthread before I post...

Good morning, evolved and inhumanufactured lizards.

387 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:53:34am

re: #384 littleoldlady

An old, tired and overly-stressed cougar.

/verybigsigh

Good day, ALL!™

Best wishes for a wonderful day to you, littleoldlady.

388 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:53:53am

re: #381 Jim in Virginia

Nothing.

What was in the universe befoer G-d created it?


To me the whole concept of nothing is mathematical.
it be the absence of elements that make up our Universe, but it seems to me that it has to be something.

389 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:54:25am

re: #385 redc1c4

but still attractive..... you go girl! %-)

i'm for the rack!

L8r! %-)

Later, dude.

390 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:55:16am

re: #382 AmeriDan

You live in a certain river city, right?

The kingdom of Dr. Willie, yes.
LeePro has an email address.

391 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 3:55:30am

re: #388 opnion

To me the whole concept of nothing is mathematical.
it be the absence of elements that make up our Universe, but it seems to me that it has to be something.


Did i say it be? I mean 'it must be."

392 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:03:25am

re: #390 Dar ul Harb

The kingdom of Dr. Willie, yes.
LeePro has an email address.

Stand by... meeting for drinks, coffee, iced tea, and/or cheap hookers within the next three weeks. On a weekend evening. Maybe early evening.

/the cheap hookers are for me after the meet up... everyone else has to buy their own.

//of course, I'm kidding about the hookers

393 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:07:05am

re: #378 Dar ul Harb

Speaking of "if my calculations are correct..."

From that history of the Trinity Test at the Department of Energy:

Probably the most mundane response of all was Fermi's: he had calculated ahead of time how far the blast wave might displace small pieces of paper released into it. About 40 seconds after the explosion, Fermi stood, sprinkled his pre-prepared slips of paper into the atomic wind, and estimated from their deflection that the test had released energy equivalent to 10,000 tons of TNT. The actual result as it was finally calculated -- 21,000 tons (21 kilotons) -- was more than twice what Fermi had estimated with this experiment and four times as much as had been predicted by most at Los Alamos.
394 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:07:51am

This is just heartless, cruel and wrong. The US government should issue a strongly worded note, at the very least.

Though, to be completely honest, eating that much fat and crap couldn't have been good for the polar bear either. But think of the photo op that was lost.

[Link: news.ninemsn.com.au...]


Police in Iceland were forced to shoot a polar bear that had apparently travelled several hundred kilometres from Greenland atop an ice floe when the animal charged a group of journalists.
395 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:08:21am

re: #392 AmeriDan


On a weekend evening. Maybe early evening.

Ah, too bad.

Lunch would be better for me.

396 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:11:39am

Mr. Obama says that the US has destroyed our credibility around the world. We should listen to him. Mr. Obama is someone who knows a great deal about destroyed credibility.

397 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:14:08am

re: #395 Dar ul Harb

Ah, too bad.

Lunch would be better for me.

Okay, that's helpful to know.

Getting Lizards together at one place is like herding cats... or, uh, lizards for that matter.

/back to the scheduling board at my secret lair

//mom and dad's basement

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:16:09am

Too Kewl fer Skewl!

399 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:18:26am

[Link: bp2.blogger.com...]

Were I a responsible journalist I'd wonder how on earth they got reliable data on sunspots back during the 'little ice age'.

But, this data supports my contention that sunspots have more to do with Gorebull Warmening than anything man does, so I'm going to accept this evidence with no tricksey questions.

400 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:19:30am

re: #396 razorbacker

Mr. Obama says that the US has destroyed our credibility around the world. We should listen to him. Mr. Obama is someone who knows a great deal about destroyed credibility.

Not that he had a whole lot to start with in the first place. He's a big balloon that the media- and some other sinister people- are pumping up way beyond his PSI capacity.

BTW... do you cross the river much?

/the big and muddy river

401 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:23:46am
402 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:24:53am

Morning folks.

403 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:27:18am

BBC: Abu Qatada Released On Bail, Under House Arrest

This apparently isn't the first time, either.

Abu Qatada became one of the UK's most wanted men in December 2001 when he went on the run, on the eve of government moves to introduce anti-terror laws allowing suspects to be detained without charge or trial.
In October 2002 the authorities tracked him down to a council house in south London and took him to Belmarsh Prison.
He was eventually freed on bail in March 2005, but was made the subject of a control order to limit his movements.
In August that year he was taken back into custody pending the extradition to Jordan.
404 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:28:08am

re: #401 taxfreekiller

drug cartels from Mexico now control the southern border not the Mexican govt., they control the wage slave trade also, the price for
the ones of terror who will bomb your city is, $10,000 to $15,000 each, then if they have one ton of the bomb material with them its
another $20,000

when will you mow your own lawn, before the bomb goes off or after the bomb goes off?

What cities in North America are being "bombed"?

405 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:28:14am

re: #400 AmeriDan

I used to spend a lot of time in Memphis (at one time Colemans had the very best chain BBQwhich is damning with faint praise, I know. We had good friends there and visited once a month. One died, and the other moved to AR.

Nowadays when I'm in Memphis it's because I've missed the I-55 exit again.

406 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:28:52am

re: #402 galloping granny

Morning folks.

Morning granny!

407 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:31:49am

re: #403 Dar ul Harb

This is the earlier thread about Abu Qatada.

408 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:33:51am

re: #405 razorbacker

Several others and I are trying to schedule a meet up in the area.

Not this weekend, but the next one or the one after that. We're still in the early stages of planning and open to ideas. It could be at a later date too, if it will get more people to come.

409 granitebill  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:36:43am

OT:

Kassams continue...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

obtw... good morning all....

-granite

410 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:37:21am

re: #350 opnion

Good morning! At the risk of sounding really uninformed, I have a question for the science knowledgeable.
We know that the Universe is constantly expanding. Scientists now say that it will not collapse, but will expand into infinity.
That means that there are boundaries albeit expanding boundaries.
What is beyond the boundaries?

Nobody knows. By definition, nothing, but that's a definition. It's not a boundary in the sense that someday we could go and touch it, and but for that boundary would be able to go beyond. The simplest analogy I know is to consider it like an optical illusion, where you can see it, but no matter how close you get, it's always farther away than you thought.

In a certain sense, it doesn't matter what's beyond the boundary--it is not a part of our reality. Frustrating, I know.

411 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:39:46am

[Link: www.weirdasianews.com...]

Dude. I so want that job.

Zapata's Mexican Cantina does not sponsor prostitutes at our establishment. If you are a prostitute please refrain from entering our garden or restaurant. If you are unsure whether or not you are a prostitute, please ask one of our friendly security guards to sort it out for you.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:41:31am

BTW...
Yesterday was the most beautiful weather day I think I have ever lived through in SW Virginia. It was like I lived in San Diego.

Was fabulous!

413 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:41:33am

re: #409 granitebill

OT:

Kassams continue...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

obtw... good morning all....

-granite

Of course they continue. There is now a "truce" after all.

BTW, did you all notice the bombshell in the link posted above "Barack Obama: The Undistinguished Gentleman"? That Obama finished writing Dreams of My Father while living in Bali (after Harvard Law). Anyone know anything more about him living in Bali as an adult?

414 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:42:56am

re: #408 AmeriDan

That sounds like a great time, but it's a little under 700 miles round trip.

Not that I actually have anything better to do, you understand, but still.

415 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:43:07am

re: #409 granitebill

OT:

Kassams continue...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

obtw... good morning all....

-granite

Well, the truce doesn't officially start until Thursday. I'm sure peace will break out after that.

/clueless off

416 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:43:24am

re: #413 galloping granny

Anyone know anything more about him living in Bali as an adult?

That's the first I've heard of Obama living in Bali. I'd like to know more about it.

417 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:46:46am

Galloping Granny -
Here's what I've found so far :
[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]
Quoting a NYT article -

The two worked mostly by telephone and by manuscripts sent by Federal Express between New York and Chicago. Mr. Obama, an inveterate journal writer who had published poems in a college literary magazine but had never attempted a book, struggled to finish. His half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, said he eventually retreated to Bali for several months with his wife, Michelle, “to find a peaceful sanctuary where there were no phones.” He showed drafts to a few close relatives including his grandmother, of whom Ms. Soetoro-Ng said, “It probably made her a little nervous, having the family written about, just because you don’t do that in Kansas.”
418 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:48:15am

re: #416 seekeroftruth

That's the first I've heard of Obama living in Bali. I'd like to know more about it.

Google knows all apparently -

[Link: www.balidiscovery.com...]

[Link: www.my-indonesia.info...]

419 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:51:51am

re: #414 razorbacker

That sounds like a great time, but it's a little under 700 miles round trip.

Not that I actually have anything better to do, you understand, but still.

Doh! I assumed you lived closer.

Oh well, the first meet up seems to be shaping up as a, well, ... meet up... to plan a much larger meeting in late summer or fall.

Interested?

420 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:53:41am

re: #419 AmeriDan

Yeah.

421 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:54:41am

AmeriDan, nic is blue. Keep me in mind.

422 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 4:57:26am

re: #418 galloping granny

Interesting....

423 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:02:31am

re: #422 seekeroftruth

Interesting....

You know what I find most interesting? Look at the quote that you gave -

The two worked mostly by telephone and by manuscripts sent by Federal Express between New York and Chicago. Mr. Obama, an inveterate journal writer who had published poems in a college literary magazine but had never attempted a book, struggled to finish.

And now look at what the original article says (quoting the New York Times) -

He was approached by an agent, Jane Dystel, who got him a contract for a book. Obama missed his deadline, and Dystel promptly got him another contract and a $40,000 advance for the same book.

Who gives an unknown author with no writing experience, who has already missed one deadline, a $40,000 book contract?

424 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:02:50am

AmeriDan, if you chose this meeting spot for goodness sake let me know...[Link: www.theospark.net...]

425 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:04:49am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. President Bush is considering calling for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. That's a good first step. Belated. But good.

Of course, Democrats complain that the drilling wont affect prices for five years. Not entirely true. Sure, the oil wont hit the markets for that long, but the speculators will now have to take into account new oil reserves coming on the market, and the prices will go down because the supply just got larger.

426 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:06:50am

Mornin' all. I have AOL for my opening page(don't ask) and apparently some of McCains Navy file is classified secret. They(msm) is in a snit about it. Lets' see Jon Halp Uz Kary has his file completely redone, never sees the light of day and that is okay. McCain on the other hand POW and all the shit he went through, they want to go through his file with a proctoscope(sp). Things that make you say hmmm. Or msm=asshats.

427 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:08:49am

re: #421 razorbacker

AmeriDan, nic is blue. Keep me in mind.

We will keep you informed of all plans. Our RiverLizard cabal does not trust email though. Rove has had his minions watching us for years, afraid of our power.

Check your newspaper each morning and if page A2 has a red check mark at the right-hand top of the page... open and close your blinds in tune with "shave and a hair cut", and wait for a car horn to honk "two bits", then go and... ah, screw it, that's too much work.

I'll just email you later tonight.

428 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:09:57am

re: #423 galloping granny

And now look at what the original article says (quoting the New York Times) -

He was approached by an agent, Jane Dystel, who got him a contract for a book. Obama missed his deadline, and Dystel promptly got him another contract and a $40,000 advance for the same book.

Who gives an unknown author with no writing experience, who has already missed one deadline, a $40,000 book contract?

My first thought was that Soros had a hand in it but, I can't find anything about it.

429 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:10:20am

Drilling for our own oil is not a solution. BHO. Really, getting our own oil is not a solution, the man is a fool.

430 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:11:02am

re: #426 pingjockey

Mornin' all. I have AOL for my opening page(don't ask) and apparently some of McCains Navy file is classified secret. They(msm) is in a snit about it. Lets' see Jon Halp Uz Kary has his file completely redone, never sees the light of day and that is okay. McCain on the other hand POW and all the shit he went through, they want to go through his file with a proctoscope(sp). Things that make you say hmmm. Or msm=asshats.

John McCain flew classified combat missions over North Vietnam. OF COURSE huge chunks of his military record are classified and they will remain so until he has been dead for quite some few years. 75 in most cases. And no, John McCain cannot release his classified military records himself. What part of classified do the idiots in the MSM not get?

431 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:12:13am

re: #428 MandyManners

My first thought was that Soros had a hand in it but, I can't find anything about it.

The one clue I find is that the Dreams book was published by Time Publishing, which I am pretty sure is part of the whole Times group - which also, BTW, today owns AOL.

432 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:12:22am

re: #430 galloping granny
Nail on the head, idiots in the msm. I really, really would like to see John F'n Karys. Traitor that he is.

433 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:12:58am

Good morning Lizards................

434 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:13:45am

re: #433 doriangrey
Mornin' DG!

435 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:14:22am

re: #410 MajorPribluda

Nobody knows. By definition, nothing, but that's a definition. It's not a boundary in the sense that someday we could go and touch it, and but for that boundary would be able to go beyond. The simplest analogy I know is to consider it like an optical illusion, where you can see it, but no matter how close you get, it's always farther away than you thought.

In a certain sense, it doesn't matter what's beyond the boundary--it is not a part of our reality. Frustrating, I know.


Yeah, frustrating, but a good mental exercise.

436 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:16:31am

As they say in the south of Mexico, "Adios, all y'all".

437 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:17:10am

re: #432 pingjockey

Nail on the head, idiots in the msm. I really, really would like to see John F'n Karys. Traitor that he is.

And the only bits of John Cary's military record anyone has ever asked to see are the unclassified bits.

438 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:17:31am

re: #432 pingjockey

Nail on the head, idiots in the msm. I really, really would like to see John F'n Karys. Traitor that he is.

Really, lets beat on McCain the hero, but act all huffy & indignant if anyone questions the traitor Kerry.

439 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:18:01am

re: #434 pingjockey

Mornin' DG!

Morning ping.............

440 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:18:10am

re: #436 razorbacker
Vaya con Dios.
Here's another plug for the 2nd Amend. Some dudue walked into a bank, said he had a bomb. 2nd dude had a CCP and stopped the would be bank robber. Heh.

441 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:19:42am

re: #437 galloping granny
Karys shit is classified for strictly political reasons, not Nat'l security issues. There were some funny business with Karys records.

442 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:20:18am

re: #423 galloping granny

And now look at what the original article says (quoting the New York Times) -

He was approached by an agent, Jane Dystel, who got him a contract for a book. Obama missed his deadline, and Dystel promptly got him another contract and a $40,000 advance for the same book.

Who gives an unknown author with no writing experience, who has already missed one deadline, a $40,000 book contract?

I've wondered how he got the book deal too. I'm guessing it's through one of his Chicago contacts.

443 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:20:36am

re: #431 galloping granny

The one clue I find is that the Dreams book was published by Time Publishing, which I am pretty sure is part of the whole Times group - which also, BTW, today owns AOL.

Wasn't that before 2003 when Soros decided he wanted to take down Pres. Bush?

444 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:21:00am

re: #438 opnion

Really, lets beat on McCain the hero, but act all huffy & indignant if anyone questions the traitor Kerry.

Better yet lets make McCain out to be a scary out war monger who might start another war.

What do we want.... Peace.... When do we want it....Now..... McCain will give us another war.... Obama will lead us to the land of milk and honey... /s

445 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:21:32am

re: #427 AmeriDan

We will keep you informed of all plans. Our RiverLizard cabal does not trust email though. Rove has had his minions watching us for years, afraid of our power.

Check your newspaper each morning and if page A2 has a red check mark at the right-hand top of the page... open and close your blinds in tune with "shave and a hair cut", and wait for a car horn to honk "two bits", then go and... ah, screw it, that's too much work.

I'll just email you later tonight.

Linky better here

Talk to you later Razor.

446 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:23:38am

re: #441 pingjockey

Karys shit is classified for strictly political reasons, not Nat'l security issues. There were some funny business with Karys records.

There is a lot of speculation that his discharge was less than honorable.
The theory goes that Carter helped to fix it.
Over 60 of the Swift boat guys witnessed kerrys actual actions , as opposed to his delusional nonsense.
They did not all lie & only Kerry told the truth.

447 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:23:53am

re: #443 MandyManners

Wasn't that before 2003 when Soros decided he wanted to take down Pres. Bush?

I'm thinking it's through one of his sleazy Chicago contacts.
BBL

448 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:26:13am

re: #444 doriangrey
Gaaaah! Was watching the news last night after watching the Celts beat the Lakers like a gong, :) and The DNC is running an ad with a young mom and her baby saying she doesn't want her baby to have to fight in Iraq cause of McCain! We've had Granddads, dads, and sons serve in Germany and Japan and that's ok? Plus the obamamessiahs choice for Nat'l security advisor thinks Winnie the Pooh is a good guide for foreign policy. Most things worth doing are painful. The quote the fool used was 'if it causes you pain try something else'. Sheesh.

449 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:26:30am

re: #443 MandyManners

Wasn't that before 2003 when Soros decided he wanted to take down Pres. Bush the United States of America after getting rich by throwing the UK's banking system under the bus?

/sorry, Mandy, I had to fix that one

:)

450 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:26:39am

re: #443 MandyManners

Wasn't that before 2003 when Soros decided he wanted to take down Pres. Bush?

Dreams was published in 1995, so it had to have been in the works for at least a year. According to wiki, several years.

451 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:27:54am

re: #446 opnion
I like how the donks and the msm managed to make swift boating an adjective for lying, when actually those guys were speaking the whole truth. Goddamn the msm pisses me off.

452 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:28:02am

re: #448 pingjockey

Gaaaah! Was watching the news last night after watching the Celts beat the Lakers like a gong, :) and The DNC is running an ad with a young mom and her baby saying she doesn't want her baby to have to fight in Iraq cause of McCain! We've had Granddads, dads, and sons serve in Germany and Japan and that's ok? Plus the obamamessiahs choice for Nat'l security advisor thinks Winnie the Pooh is a good guide for foreign policy. Most things worth doing are painful. The quote the fool used was 'if it causes you pain try something else'. Sheesh.


It was produced by 'Move On.org, the cretin Soros

453 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:28:53am

re: #441 pingjockey

Karys shit is classified for strictly political reasons, not Nat'l security issues. There were some funny business with Karys records.

Kary's is not classified. It is a personal military record, which no one can release except John Kary himself, just as no one can release my father's except my father.

John McCain's service record, by nature of the job that he did, does indeed have huge chunks that are classified for national security reasons. Even he cannot release those for public consumption.

454 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:29:41am

re: #452 opnion
Ah ha. I'd like to be dictator for a week. Soros and some of his ilk would be banished to some island in the South Pacific with no communications of any kind.

455 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:30:25am

re: #430 galloping granny


What part of classified do the idiots in the MSM not get?


The only "classified" they understand says: "Man seeking Man for Wagner concerts, long walks along the beach".

456 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:32:08am

re: #453 galloping granny
Yeppers. I have mine, on microfiche no less. But McCain will release allof his that is not classified Secret. Kary doesn't want anyone to see his OTH and other crap, like faux medals and formal reports about meeting with the NV's in Paris.

457 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:33:21am

re: #454 pingjockey

Ah ha. I'd like to be dictator for a week. Soros and some of his ilk would be banished to some island in the South Pacific with no communications of any kind.

Hell would be a much better place to banish them to... If only hell really existed... Oh wait, it does, hell is any place where the liberals/socialists/communists engage their ideological insanity and take over and subvert the will of free people...

458 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:33:55am

re: #454 pingjockey
Oh, and I'd put a giant frackin' wind farm right in front of the Kennedy compound in Marthas Vineyard.

459 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:34:52am

re: #457 doriangrey
A few of the deserted islands used for nuclear testing would be a fine spot for them.

460 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:36:08am

Good morning folks,

My latest entry for the best Obama license plate:

I ♥ KLF8

461 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:36:54am

re: #458 pingjockey

Oh, and I'd put a giant frackin' wind farm right in front of the Kennedy compound in Marthas Vineyard.

Not. In. My. Front. Yard.

/Kennedy mode off

462 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:37:05am

Watching FNC, Bobby Kennedy Jr. is an idiot.

463 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:38:27am

re: #461 AmeriDan
Yep Mr. Kennedy right in your front yard! Plus I'm gonna drill where you got yachting! Mwahaha!

464 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:40:03am

Fox hits bottom, digs. They have an astrologer on talking about veep picks.

465 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:40:30am

re: #459 pingjockey

A few of the deserted islands used for nuclear testing would be a fine spot for them.

Sadly those Island are now fit for human habitation, they would make a terrible place for Soro's and his lot.

466 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:41:08am

re: #464 pingjockey

Fox hits bottom, digs. They have an astrologer on talking about veep picks.

They hit bottom a while back as far as I'm concerned. I almost never turn them on.

467 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:42:13am

re: #466 galloping granny
Well, I don't watch CNN/PMSNBC aka DNCTV.

468 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:43:35am

Hola!

I'm sitting here watching the news (in Japan) about squid fishermen going on a two-day strike over fuel prices. They could just as well protest against plate tectonics for all the good it will do. But that's the Japanese for you--go somewhere your Union organizer told you to go.

Then I see that similar protests are underway in Spain, Italy, Belgium, and other un-named locations. Well, well, well, I take it back and apologize Japan. This is not mere Japanese Unionism (which I don't care for much), but rather is international socialism. The point of these protests (other than a few days off from work wearing a tie instead of squid-gutters) is to demand, DEMAND I say, that their respective governments (in Brussels, the EU) *provide subsidies* to the fishermen to offset the rising price of fuel.
A) Who shall pay the subsidies, since governments don't actually have money?
B) Which industry will be next to demand subsidies if these governments capitulate? Avoid the rush.

469 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:44:11am

re: #465 doriangrey
Actually they had a show on Nat Geo and you can only stay for short periods. The background radiation on Bikini Atoll is still too high, but the fish on the reef and the flora and fauna on the atoll are thriving, go figure.

470 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:45:40am

re: #463 pingjockey

Yep Mr. Kennedy right in your front yard! Plus I'm gonna drill where you got yachting! Mwahaha!

The American public neither wants, nor deserves, windmills in my front yard. This kind of thinking out of the mainstream only serves to drowned out the voices of everyday Americans.

471 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:45:57am

re: #464 pingjockey

Fox hits bottom, digs. They have an astrologer on talking about veep picks.

I just saw that, too. Sheesh.

472 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:46:04am

Good morning, lizards.
Is a wartime President now automatically called a war monger?
You REALLY asked for it.....lol.

473 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:46:32am

re: #470 AmeriDan

"drown"

474 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:46:47am

re: #467 pingjockey

Well, I don't watch CNN/PMSNBC aka DNCTV.

Me either. Mostly these days I don't turn on TV news.

475 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:46:54am

re: #470 AmeriDan

The American public neither wants, nor deserves, windmills in my front yard. This kind of thinking out of the mainstream only serves to drowned out the voices of everyday Americans.

/I was in Kennedy mode

476 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:47:27am

re: #470 AmeriDan
Hahaha! Was stationed in Rhode Island from 83 to 85. The rock station in Providence was giving away(joke) free driving lessons to the Ted Kennedy school of driving and swimming!

477 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:48:12am

Obama’s Shifting Positions on Iraq: A Rezko Connection?

By now we've all seen that video of Obama being interviewed on TV saying "I've never said troops should be withdrawn"... and we all took it as yet another example of his constantly shifting positions on Iraq. Now this is where it gets interesting... Richard Fernandez at Pajamas Media asks the simple question,

"What was happened in April 2004 that made Obama shift his position?"

Two very interesting things happened:


1. Obama was at a party on April 3 — two days before the video– with Nadhmi Auchi, a London-based Iraqi billionaire who attended a Tony Rezko party in Chicago.

2. Auchi & Rezko had decided to invest $150 million in the contruction of the Chamchamal Power Plant in Iraq. This project would have required military protection.

Change. Lots and lots of jingling change.

Obama, Rezko & Auchi: meet smoking gun.

478 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:48:35am

re: #473 haakondahl

"drown"

Are you questioning my patriotism?

Let's stick to the issues.

/

479 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:48:50am

re: #464 pingjockey

I thought Piglet was going to be Obama's running mate?

480 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:48:55am

re: #474 galloping granny
Just in the am. Sometimes Glen Beck and I will turn on uberdork to spy on the enemy.

481 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:49:41am

re: #476 pingjockey

Hahaha! Was stationed in Rhode Island from 83 to 85. The rock station in Providence was giving away(joke) free driving lessons to the Ted Kennedy school of driving and swimming!

Hmmm, did they promise to use a democrat as the sacrificial passenger?

482 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:49:55am

re: #479 Kenneth
Piglet in a Pantsuit?

483 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #481 doriangrey
Don't remember. It was hilarious though.

484 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:52:50am

Y'all have a good day. Gotta go, I owe, I owe, off to work I go.

485 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:52:58am

re: #464 pingjockey

Fox hits bottom, digs. They have an astrologer on talking about veep picks.

I used to complain that I coould not get Fox News on any cable system here in Japan, that I coould only get it from a satelllite system, and my phone, internet and tv all come through the cable, so fat chance.

Then I got to see a bunch more Fox News (hadn't seen it for quite a while), and realized that I no longer wanted it. They have finally become the cartoon of the right that the left has always portrayed them as.

I recall that Fox was not always so shouty and senseless.

486 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:54:15am

&#9836 TA-DA! &#9836

Good morning {lizards!}

Absoutely gobsmacked at work so posting has been light. Just thought I'd drop in for a momentito to wish everyone a good day.

{realwest} *smooooooooooooooooooooooooch* Hope you're doing alright - thinking boutcha.

487 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:54:39am

re: #468 haakondahl

Hola!

I'm sitting here watching the news (in Japan) about squid fishermen going on a two-day strike over fuel prices. They could just as well protest against plate tectonics for all the good it will do. But that's the Japanese for you--go somewhere your Union organizer told you to go.

Then I see that similar protests are underway in Spain, Italy, Belgium, and other un-named locations. Well, well, well, I take it back and apologize Japan. This is not mere Japanese Unionism (which I don't care for much), but rather is international socialism. The point of these protests (other than a few days off from work wearing a tie instead of squid-gutters) is to demand, DEMAND I say, that their respective governments (in Brussels, the EU) *provide subsidies* to the fishermen to offset the rising price of fuel.
A) Who shall pay the subsidies, since governments don't actually have money?
B) Which industry will be next to demand subsidies if these governments capitulate? Avoid the rush.

I read about the Portuguese fisherman's strike a few weeks ago. Alaskan fisherman are having problems too. I'm not at all sure that I would call it international socialism though. The profit margin on fish isn't all that big and the fishing season is not year round. The price of gas has close to doubled and that makes it pretty hard for the fisherman to earn a living.

I don't think anyone wants subsidies so much as they want lower fuel costs.

We're seeing the same thing right here in the US with truckers, who have already had at least one day of work stoppage. The current price of diesel fuel is ~$5 per gallon. One long haul trucker who used to post here told me several weeks back that when fuel got to $5.50 or $6 a gallon his company would simply close their doors as they couldn't break even at that price.

And that is being felt. Yesterday we went down to the store and picked up a loaf of soudough that has run $3.89 or so a loaf for the last couple of years. Didn't even think to look at the price. Until after we went through the check out and found that the loaf (it is really a half loaf) of bread cost $5.99.

488 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:54:41am

re: #484 pingjockey

Y'all have a good day. Gotta go, I owe, I owe, off to work I go.

Yup, time for me likewise to shuffle the old vette on down the road.

489 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:55:12am

re: #478 AmeriDan

Are you questioning my patriotism?

Let's stick to the issues.

/

Just finish your waffel.

490 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:57:17am

re: #489 haakondahl

Just finish your waffel.

Gonna' resist.

491 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 5:59:14am

re: #487 galloping granny

I read about the Portuguese fisherman's strike a few weeks ago. Alaskan fisherman are having problems too. I'm not at all sure that I would call it international socialism though. The profit margin on fish isn't all that big and the fishing season is not year round. The price of gas has close to doubled and that makes it pretty hard for the fisherman to earn a living.

I don't think anyone wants subsidies so much as they want lower fuel costs.

We're seeing the same thing right here in the US with truckers, who have already had at least one day of work stoppage. The current price of diesel fuel is ~$5 per gallon. One long haul trucker who used to post here told me several weeks back that when fuel got to $5.50 or $6 a gallon his company would simply close their doors as they couldn't break even at that price.

And that is being felt. Yesterday we went down to the store and picked up a loaf of soudough that has run $3.89 or so a loaf for the last couple of years. Didn't even think to look at the price. Until after we went through the check out and found that the loaf (it is really a half loaf) of bread cost $5.99.

My personal opinion is that this whole fuel price increase of late is economic warfare being waged against the United States. The question is, who will this warfare break first, the US economy, or the entire rest of the worlds economy. If I were a betting man (and I'm not) I would put my money on the US having the economic strength to out last the rest of the world.

492 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:00:17am

re: #485 haakondahl

I used to complain that I coould not get Fox News on any cable system here in Japan, that I coould only get it from a satellite system, and my phone, internet and tv all come through the cable, so fat chance.

Could?

/Heh, pay backs a bitch, huh?

//just kidding... best regards

493 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:01:57am

re: #490 MandyManners

Gonna' resist.

You know you want to.

494 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:03:10am

Good Morning lizards..
Great game last night..Congradulations to Boston and all the fans
of that great city.

495 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:05:23am

re: #494 HoosierHoops

Good Morning lizards..
Great game last night..Congradulations to Boston and all the fans
of that great city.

Morning.

My congratulations to Celtic Nation also.

496 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:05:24am

re: #493 AmeriDan

You know you want to.

I'm exercising my restraint muscle today.

497 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:06:02am

re: #487 galloping granny

We had a trucking company here in South Jersey that closed a month ago - suddenly went bankrupt paying off 1700 workers after 26 years in business.

498 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:06:22am

re: #497 DistantThunder

We had a trucking company here in South Jersey that closed a month ago - suddenly went bankrupt paying off 1700 workers after 26 years in business.

Paying=laying

499 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:07:56am

re: #479 Kenneth

I thought Piglet was going to be Obama's running mate?

He was drowned a couple threads back, in The Car Accident at Pooh's Bridge.

500 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:09:48am

re: #491 doriangrey

My personal opinion is that this whole fuel price increase of late is economic warfare being waged against the United States. The question is, who will this warfare break first, the US economy, or the entire rest of the worlds economy. If I were a betting man (and I'm not) I would put my money on the US having the economic strength to out last the rest of the world.

I agree with you and have said so a couple of times, back about the time that Bush last visited the MidEast. One thing that OPEC needs to bear in mind is that while they might have most of the world's current oil production WE produce a huge proportion of the world's food supply - which they need to be able to buy in order to eat.

I don't know if we have the economic strength to withstand the current artificial pressure on the dollar as well as the artificially high oil prices. What I do know is that if you put the American farmer out of business, there is no one and no where in the world that can pick up the slack. That very foolish course of action would lead directly to world-wide famine on a huge scale. They might best rethink things. Quickly.

501 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:10:01am

re: #498 DistantThunder

Paying=laying

Especially if you're Bob Beckel.

502 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:10:53am

re: #468 haakondahl

Yup, when other countries (Indonesia, India, China) have started to lower the subsidies (because skyrocketing oil use needs to have the cost born by somebody.)

At least in Europe, the strikers could demand that the taxes on the fuel be lowered. Here in the US the federal tax is rather puny... so getting rid of it won't change the price that much (if at all once any demand increase kicks in...)

503 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:11:12am

A few wiffs of financial panic in the air this fine morning:

RBS issues global stock and credit crash alert

Morgan Stanley warns of 'catastrophic event' as ECB fights Federal Reserve

Are we down to gold and ammo yet?

504 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:11:18am

re: #501 OldLineTexan

Especially if you're Bob Beckel.

ROFLMAO!

505 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:11:42am

re: #496 MandyManners

I'm exercising my restraint muscle today.

Breaking in a new keyboard?

506 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:12:20am

re: #505 sparrowlake

Breaking in a new keyboard?

Nah. Just trying to be sweetness and light.

507 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:12:22am

re: #496 MandyManners

I'm exercising my restraint muscle today.

Be careful not to strain it. I'd suggest stretching it a bit by not passing on easy lifting like a "waffel" remark.

508 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:13:00am

re: #497 DistantThunder

We had a trucking company here in South Jersey that closed a month ago - suddenly went bankrupt paying off 1700 workers after 26 years in business.

No surprise there really. I was down at the local truck stop two mornings ago for gas. Biggest truck stop on one of the main routes between Canada and NYC and normally the entire back lot is completely full of trucks, with more parked along side and even across the road. This particular day I was stunned to find just 3 big rigs in the lot. Three. In a lot that holds dozens and is usually jammed to the gills. I've never seen it that empty.

509 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:15:01am

re: #501 OldLineTexan

re: #498 DistantThunder
Paying=laying
Especially if you're Bob Beckel.

Or Elliot Spitzer.

510 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:16:12am

Gotta' get The Kid ready to go to day-camp. I'll exercise my restraint muscle some more in traffc. BBL.

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:16:27am

re: #508 galloping granny

Sometimes I anger myself. Was thinking yesterday, hey, traffic sure has been lighter lately. The realized that it wasn't a good lighter.

512 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:16:46am

Good morning, Lizards.

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:17:19am

re: #512 goddessoftheclassroom

{Goddess} How's youz?

514 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:18:38am

re: #496 MandyManners

Is that like kiegels?

515 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:19:19am

re: #506 MandyManners

Nice...Try summa this.

516 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:19:22am

test

517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:19:28am

re: #514 Kenneth

I knew someone would go there.

518 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:19:59am

Fine, thanks! More household projects to tackle, but enjoying my morning here. :)

519 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:20:35am

re: #518 goddessoftheclassroom

Fine, thanks! More household projects to tackle, but enjoying my morning here. :)

Is there ever an end to the household projects? Or the garden?

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:21:11am

re: #499 OldLineTexan

He was drowned a couple threads back, in The Car Accident at Pooh's Bridge.

There once was a Senator from Mass...
Who went looking for a nice piece of A**...
He Lucked up and found her
But F***ed up and drowned her
And now the Senator's future's his past.

521 George guy  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:22:07am

As the trucking companies get squeezed by this situation, I'm worried that some people will lower their standards in order to keep their supply lines open, and end up inadvertently giving terrorists access to hazardous materials of various kinds.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:22:10am

Oops! Look at the time! Gotta go and turn the wheels of the economy. BBL.

523 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:22:22am

re: #499 OldLineTexan

Another classic from buzz! LOL!

524 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sometimes I anger myself. Was thinking yesterday, hey, traffic sure has been lighter lately. The realized that it wasn't a good lighter.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Doc.

I have noted no decrease in the number of jacked-up FWD dually pickups with lightbars and fifth wheel equipment (the preferred mode of transport for the Texas Redneck (homo bubbamericansis texii)) trying to crush my lowly minivan in morning traffic while gunning 80 in a 50mph zone.

We rednecks, crackers, and po' white trash apparently have thick skulls.

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:22:44am

re: #521 George guy

That George Guy's smart. Well placed.

526 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:23:29am

re: #523 Kenneth

Another classic from buzz! LOL!

That one was mine.

527 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:23:35am

re: #512 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Ahh, I see the dayshift crew is all here now, so this late nighter will say goodbye for now. Goodnight.

Carry on Lizards, and have a great day.

528 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:24:19am

Good morning, {all y'all}
I work for a trucking company. I'm surprised day to day that I still have a job.

529 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:24:21am

re: #487 galloping granny

I read about the Portuguese fisherman's strike a few weeks ago. Alaskan fisherman are having problems too. I'm not at all sure that I would call it international socialism though. The profit margin on fish isn't all that big and the fishing season is not year round. The price of gas has close to doubled and that makes it pretty hard for the fisherman to earn a living.


Yes, and when the price of fish has close to doubled, the restaurateurs will find it hard to make a living. And when the price of food has close to doubled (again), everybody will find it hard to make a living. So there's really no point is providing subsidies to the squid-fishing industry. All that will do is tie an unprofitable sector to the government, which the government needs like a hole in the head. And since governments don't have money anyway, why in the world should the cost of more expensive seafood be passed on to people who don't even eat seafood?

I don't think anyone wants subsidies so much as they want lower fuel costs.


Don't argue with me, then--argue with the people protesting *for subsidies* in Japan and Brussels. Italy and Spain, I don't know for sure, but Japan and Brussels, manifestly demonstrating for subsidies.
And at any rate, they're either demonstrating for one of two things--subsidies, or domestic drilling, as those are the only methods the governments have to bring down fuel costs.

We're seeing the same thing right here in the US with truckers, who have already had at least one day of work stoppage. The current price of diesel fuel is ~$5 per gallon. One long haul trucker who used to post here told me several weeks back that when fuel got to $5.50 or $6 a gallon his company would simply close their doors as they couldn't break even at that price.

Say HI to him for me. I hope he's doing okay. My Dad was a trucker, and it wasn't all that profitable even when the chips were up.


And that is being felt. Yesterday we went down to the store and picked up a loaf of soudough that has run $3.89 or so a loaf for the last couple of years. Didn't even think to look at the price. Until after we went through the check out and found that the loaf (it is really a half loaf) of bread cost $5.99.


I know the feeling.
Thanks for the Stateside update :-)

530 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:24:23am

re: #521 George guy

As the trucking companies get squeezed by this situation, I'm worried that some people will lower their standards in order to keep their supply lines open, and end up inadvertently giving terrorists access to hazardous materials of various kinds.

The same trucker that told me about his company going out of business if fuel got to $5.50 or so also happened to mention very recently that he had driven more than 900 miles in less than 24 hours - a flagrant violation of the rules truckers operate under. Under the orders of his company, who surely know those regs by heart.

531 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:25:16am

re: #528 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}
I work for a trucking company. I'm surprised day to day that I still have a job.

The factories on both sides of me need you folks. We have to sell this stuff; it's inedible!

532 freetoken  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:25:41am

Since this thread started out as a science thread...

Study shows male homosexuality can be explained through a specific model of Darwinian evolution

Reporting in this week's PLoS ONE, an Italian research team, consisting of Andrea Camperio Ciani and Giovanni Zanzotto at the University of Padova and Paolo Cermelli at the University of Torino, found that the evolutionary origin and maintenance of male homosexuality in human populations could be explained by a model based around the idea of sexually antagonistic selection, in which genetic factors spread in the population by giving a reproductive advantage to one sex while disadvantaging the other.
533 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:26:19am

re: #509 sparrowlake

Or Elliot Spitzer.

Who? Oh, you mean this guy?[1]

/Good Morning Everybody!

[1] I apologize for continually posting that, but it is how I will always remember him...

534 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:26:22am

re: #530 galloping granny

The same trucker that told me about his company going out of business if fuel got to $5.50 or so also happened to mention very recently that he had driven more than 900 miles in less than 24 hours - a flagrant violation of the rules truckers operate under. Under the orders of his company, who surely know those regs by heart.

Not really...He could have legally driven 14 hours out of 24 with the 10 hour break spaced right.

535 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:27:15am

re: #530 galloping granny

DRILL!

536 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:28:03am

re: #534 redstateredneck

Not really...He could have legally driven 14 hours out of 24 with the 10 hour break spaced right.

No break. Out and back, straight up. After another run. And they have to keep a log book.

537 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:28:49am

I heard something interesting this morning. If you poll average Americans and ask them if they are for offshore drilling, the majority will say no. If you say are you for deep sea oil exploration, they'll say yes.
Semantics.

538 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:30:53am

re: #536 galloping granny

No break. Out and back, straight up. After another run. And they have to keep a log book.

I'm the log lady (among other hats I wear at work). I check the logs. A lot of companies (ours included) are going to paperless logs. Most trucks are already equipped with Qualcom or some type of satellite locator that can tell if the truck is idling, moving, etc. That will cut down seriously on falsification.

539 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:31:07am

The garden is calling my name. Plastic to be laid, hoeing to be done and the first of the lettuce to be harvested. Later folks - have a great day!

540 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:32:47am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Vew, vewy sweepy this morning.

But it was worth it to see the Celtics win it at home!

How is everyone else on this beautiful June morning?

541 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:33:22am

re: #539 galloping granny

Bye granny! Hoe that row!

542 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:33:22am

More on the Obama-Rezko-Iraq Policy Link:

From April 2004 onward, Barack Obama’s position on Iraq remained remarkably constant. The Illinois senator believed it was important not to abandon Iraq until it was stable enough to fend for itself.

In June 2006, despite the counterinsurgency troubles being encountered at that time, Obama reiterated his desire to keep American troops in Iraq until it stabilized. The senator said following a visit:

But having visited Iraq, I’m also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by Congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this administration. It could compound them.

It could compound them by plunging Iraq into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis.

But on Nov 20, 2006, Obama suddenly changed his mind on Iraq. He believed it had become unwinnable. There was no point in going on and a withdrawal had to begin within a few months. CNN reported:

Sen. Barack Obama called Monday for U.S. troops to start leaving Iraq in 2007, arguing that the threat of an American pullout is the best leverage Washington has left in the conflict.

“The time for waiting in Iraq is over. It is time to change our policy,” said Obama, a freshman Democrat from Illinois touted as a possible national candidate in 2008.

What had changed between June and November 2006 to alter Obama’s position? Possibly the situation on the ground. But one circumstance that had also changed was that the Rezko Chamchamal contract had been finally and irrevocably canceled only two weeks before. ...

The Chamchamal construction plan was canceled in June 2006, and this not only ended the power plant deal for Rezko’s Rezmar International and Alsammarae’s KCI Engineering Consultants, but also it ended the Companion Security deal. Companion was nested inside Chamchamal. The security guards to be trained in Illinois were for Chamchamal. This is important to understand. The same men controlled all three bids.

543 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:33:35am

Writermom---
I see you posted a link above which I then reposted later. 'Scuse me please. I scanned for it but missed it.

544 Beobachter  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:33:55am

re: #503 itellu3times

A few wiffs of financial panic in the air this fine morning:

RBS issues global stock and credit crash alert

Morgan Stanley warns of 'catastrophic event' as ECB fights Federal Reserve

Are we down to gold and ammo yet?

Thanks for the warning. Very frightening, indeed.

545 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:35:58am

Good morning all y'all - from a gorgeous (8 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

546 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:36:06am

re: #59 DistantThunder

It's how people break their necks or backs. You were lucky. We were putting a new roof on our one story house. I told my husband I wanted to see what he was doing. So he allowed me up, and then while we stood there together, or 18 month old came toddling across the roof having followed us up the ladder. We had to scoop her up with out startling her.

So easy, even a baby can do it. (EEEEEK)

547 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:36:47am

re: #545 realwest

(8 degrees, going up to 86 degrees)


Dayum!

548 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:36:54am

re: #526 OldLineTexan

My mistake. Very good. It's not everyday you get to enjoy the rhyme of rivelet with piglet.

549 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:39:17am

Morning all. Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it is simply disgusting.

Salon Owner Broke After Being Sued for 'Hurt Feelings' by Muslim Stylist With Head Scarf

Hurt feeling my ass.

Noah admitted she had attended 25 interviews and not been chosen for any of them before she met Desrosiers. The extremist Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir later admitted it had "advised her.

550 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:39:29am

re: #543 Perry

Not following what you are apologizing for...re-posting a link?

551 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:39:37am

re: #547 redstateredneck Sheeeet! I meant to say 68 degrees, PINMF!

552 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:39:51am

The nickname of that thing makes me hesitant to go on it---the vomit commet.

553 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:41:12am

Charles-a question...I posted a link about FOX picking up "Little Mosque on the Prarie"-lucky you...and I'm getting major ding-downs.

I thought ding-downs were for offensive stuff...or are people dinging down links to show they disapprove of the idea?

554 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:41:24am

re: #503 itellu3times

A few wiffs of financial panic in the air this fine morning:

RBS issues global stock and credit crash alert

Morgan Stanley warns of 'catastrophic event' as ECB fights Federal Reserve

Are we down to gold and ammo yet?

Gold will be worthless. Lead will be the most valuable metal.

555 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:44:51am

re: #550 WriterMom

Yes, up in the linkviewer. It's been posted there again since, and #549 in this thread has it too. Evidently it caught the eye of several of us.

556 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:46:19am

re: #553 WriterMom
Morning WriterMom - y'all need to write down the names of who it is that's dinging you down - we have, regrettably, a bunch of registered folks who apparently do nothing but ding down certain comments either because they don't like the comments or the poster. See if there's any commonality among the down dingers and if you recognize any of them by name. If you don't, why not do what I do - call 'em on it! Seriously, just post a "Hey "x,y and z" I don't know who you are but would apprecaite you're coming out to play and tell me why you dinged me down"!
Don't be surprised if they don't take you up on your offer to come out and play thought; they are generally not interested in dialogue at all.

557 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:46:49am

There sure are a lot of places to go read for this computer to be so slow changing screens. Phooey.

558 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:48:07am

re: #554 Hard Right
Ah yeah, but gold will buy you lead. That's why hard core survivalists don't just hoard guns and ammo and MRE's, they also grab onto as many Krugerrands as they can afford!

559 Boston Patriot  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:48:38am

Meanwhile, over at Daily Kos they received two amazing accounts from their readers today...

One is a fascinating story of a young socialist who spent the day doing bong-hits and reading Kos diaries in his mother's basement while collecting unemployment checks.

The other is a gripping tale of two upper-west side progressives who discussed Obama's chances of victory over a $250 three-hour lunch, on a Tuesday, paid for by Old Money made by their great-great-grandfathers in industry back when notions of personal responsibility and private property were actually espoused.

Check them out.

560 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:49:49am

re: #553 WriterMom

I think some people misunderstand the concept of down dings. Don't take it personal, some people are just clueless.

561 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:50:18am

re: #559 Boston Patriot
WHAT? Are you seriously suggesting we should go over to Kos to check out two posters comments or diaries WITHOUT EVEN LINKING TO THOSE TWO?!

562 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:51:39am

re: #553 WriterMom

I got your back. You are no longer in the red. LOL

563 Leauki  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:51:57am

I believe in micro-gravity but not macro-gravity!

564 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:52:23am

Morning everyone. So, this topic seems to be brought up almost every day now (hello Charles) and is very important so I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I'm in a book study and the book was written by a husband/ wife team who have Phd's from MIT and Harvard in Astronomy and Physics. They know the earth is old and that a good deal of evolution has occurred, but they also believe in a Creator who created all from nothing, man in His own image and still sustains us today. Contrary to common knowledge, when the Big Bang theory was first discovered, some athiest scientists were very nervous because they had always believed that all matter was eternal since any other explanation would imply some sort of creative "event" and they didn't want people's minds to go there. Also, as scientists discover the absolutely stunning number of things that had to go right on the molecular level in the formation of a universe that supports light, gravity, life, etc... the honest ones admit that it is statistically impossible so some have posited a new "multiverse" theory which states that there are an infinite number of universes and ours is just the lucky one for us. Bit of a reach, that.

So, there is a viable middle ground where you don't have to leave your brain or your soul at the door, in my opinion.

565 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:53:04am

re: #542 Kenneth Hey my friend - 10 up-dings for that one! Great post!
How are you and yours doing today my friend?

566 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:53:56am

CLARIFICATION: I don't give a shit who dings me down or why, I just want to know if the purpose is to alert to offensive content, or to express your dislike for the concept. Because the idea of FOX picking up the idiotic series is offensive to me too, but it's a news item, and the subject can be discussed and demolished in the comments.

567 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:54:52am

re: #542 Kenneth

More on the Obama-Rezko-Iraq Policy Link:

* * *
Someone prefers murky Chicagoans Rezko and AlSammarae as more important (& lucrative) Iraq advisors than our US General Petraeus on the ground.

Is this any different than other presidential democrat wannabees cutting insider mortgage deals as "Friends Of Angelo" Mozilo of Countryside, while regular folks got crappy deals?

568 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:55:36am

OT: Duno if anyone has brought this up before but I find it rather interesting that this AOL straw poll has McCain beating Obama by 10 points. Not that an AOL poll is that reliable, but it is interesting that given how everyone credits Obama with being internet savvy, and McCain being internet inept, well...it speaks for itself.

The Poll

569 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:55:45am

re: #562 {loppyd} Hey there goodlooking! How about those Celtics, eh?
Congrats to the Boston Celtics for winning their 17th NBA championship!

570 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:55:48am

re: #555 Perry

Perry, why would you feel the need to apologize to me? That's kind of crazy-we all dump in our links, I don't have any kind of personal attachment to them or feel offended by re-posts. Also, people can post the same story from multiple sources and if the URL is different, they will be accepted. So, no worries my friend.

571 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:56:12am

re: #566 WriterMom

I don't see how that link could be offensive. The premise of the show maybe, but not the link. So I can't explain the dingalings.

572 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:56:37am

re: #571 loppyd

Maybe my sarcasm is offensive?

LOL.

573 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:56:48am

re: #564 Spenser (with an S)

There are many, many scientists who are also religious. The two are not mutually exclusive. As Galeleo said, "God would not have given us intelligence if HE did not intend us to use it." (that's my paraphrase)

For me, the more I learn about the physical universe, the more in awe I am at creation. Science answers "What?" & "How?", but only religion can amswer "Why?"

574 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:57:29am

Whooo hooo I'm a zero!

575 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:57:51am

re: #451 pingjockey

I like how the donks and the msm managed to make swift boating an adjective for lying, when actually those guys were speaking the whole truth. Goddamn the msm pisses me off.


Yeah they have made the term 'Swift boating", A synonym for dishonest smearing. Conservative & middle of the road pundits no longer even call a liberal on the usage.
The Swifts are truthful & honorable men. Kerry is a traitor packaged as a blow dryad senator.

576 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:58:30am

re: #564 Spenser (with an S)

So, there is a viable middle ground where you don't have to leave your brain or your soul at the door, in my opinion.

Super quote.

577 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:09am

re: #490 MandyManners

Gonna' resist.

#470, #473. Full circle, you might say.

578 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:10am

re: #573 Kenneth


For me, the more I learn about the physical universe, the more in awe I am at creation. Science answers "What?" & "How?", but only religion can amswer "Why?"

Yep, the authors say the same thing except they say only religion answers the "Who and Why". Who is man and what is our relationship to God?

579 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:20am

re: #568 Sizzlack
Hey, thanks for the heads up about that poll! Didja notice the italicized notice at the bottom though: "We will be launching a new version of this poll shortly that includes third-party presidential candidates."
Have I missed something - what third party presidential candidates?!

580 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:27am

re: #558 realwest

Ah yeah, but gold will buy you lead. That's why hard core survivalists don't just hoard guns and ammo and MRE's, they also grab onto as many Krugerrands as they can afford!

It will buy you lead NOW. Once the SHTF, it will be worthless.

581 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:44am

re: #569 {realwest}

Hey there goodlooking! How about those Celtics, eh?
Congrats to the Boston Celtics for winning their 17th NBA championship!

Good Morning Handsome!

It was very cool to witness. I'm so happy for them - especially Paul Pierce who endured some pretty miserable seasons with the Celtics prior to this one.

And it was nice that they won at home. Red Auerbach was smoking a cigar in celebration up in heaven last night. :~)

582 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 6:59:49am

re: #570 WriterMom

More of an admission---I'm slow but I did eventually catch on.....lol.

583 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:01:10am

re: #565 realwest

Hi real! We're doing alright today. I think I found a good place for "M" to be where she is going to get the kind of long term care & therapy she needs. It's not an easy decision, but it's for the best.

I hope you & yours are doing fine!

As for the Obama-Rezko-Iraq link, I think this story is huge. I emailed Charles, hoping he features it. No surprise the MSM is ignoring it, though.

584 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:01:16am

Good morning Lizard Nation!
I love this story (Zero G). I want to try it. Sign me up!

585 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:01:30am

re: #528 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}
I work for a trucking company. I'm surprised day to day that I still have a job.

They know a good thing when they see it. :~)

586 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:02:18am

This has not one thing to do with anything that we are discussing.
In interleague play yesterday , 15 games involved American league teams playing National league teams.
The American League went 13 & 2.

587 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:02:37am

re: #578 Spenser (with an S)

Very good.

588 vxbush  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:02:57am

Morning, everyone.

God forgive me, but I could not stop laughing during this video. I blame Allahpundit for allowing it to see the light of day.

The last part is by far the best.

Hot Air: Star Wars Campy

589 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:03:19am

re: #568 Sizzlack

OT: Duno if anyone has brought this up before but I find it rather interesting that this AOL straw poll has McCain beating Obama by 10 points. Not that an AOL poll is that reliable, but it is interesting that given how everyone credits Obama with being internet savvy, and McCain being internet inept, well...it speaks for itself.

The Poll

* * *
Remember when Al Gore used to wear a geeky appliance on his belt, perhaps a precursor to Blackberries, during the 1990s, to show Al & Bill were very hip indeed? Compared to geezer Papa Bush, old-school Ross Perot/Adm. Stockdale, Bill & Al were rockin'...

Too bad the hipsters Bill & Al didn't frighten radical theologians with grudges against us.

590 Carolyn  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:03:21am

I have a theory about gravity.
I believe that as you age time passes faster and gravity pulls harder on our old bodies. I have observed this phenomenon, therefore it is science.
Heh

591 vxbush  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:04:06am

re: #590 Carolyn

I have a theory about gravity.
I believe that as you age time passes faster and gravity pulls harder on our old bodies. I have observed this phenomenon, therefore it is science.
Heh

Makes sense to me.

592 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:04:19am

re: #573 Kenneth

There are many, many scientists who are also religious. The two are not mutually exclusive. As Galeleo Galileo said, "God would not have given us intelligence if HE did not intend us to use it." (that's my paraphrase)

For me, the more I learn about the physical universe, the more in awe I am at creation. Science answers "What?" & "How?", but only religion can amswer "Why?"

Very true. Science can't answer "why" by its very nature. And I agree that in many ways, the more we learn, the more in awe we should be. Lord knows I am more in awe with the more we learn.

That's what really irks me about the ID crowd. They don't seem to want to learn, and they want to contain all creation within the bounds of paper and ink. Oddly, it seems very "liberal" to me in the argument as I see the same thing coming from people who support man-made global warming aka man-made climate change. I made that comparison once on a usenet newsgroup and caught flak from almost everybody.

593 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:05:12am

re: #579 realwest

Hey, thanks for the heads up about that poll! Didja notice the italicized notice at the bottom though: "We will be launching a new version of this poll shortly that includes third-party presidential candidates."
Have I missed something - what third party presidential candidates?!

* * *
Egomaniacs who don't work well with others. Bob Barr of Georgia for one.

594 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:05:38am

re: #582 Perry

Reposts happen. :-)

595 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:06:12am

re: #491 doriangrey

My personal opinion is that this whole fuel price increase of late is economic warfare being waged against the United States. The question is, who will this warfare break first, the US economy, or the entire rest of the worlds economy. If I were a betting man (and I'm not) I would put my money on the US having the economic strength to out last the rest of the world.

We might even be doing it. All we have to do is weaken the dollar, and oil costs EVERYBODY more money, because dollars are the currency of oil. If we ever wanted to retrieve our dollars from where they are held (or to cause them to flow home), or to run the price of oil up in preparation for a jolt (which we might be contemplating), why, weakening the dollar would be the way. Not only that, but despite the short-term pain, it lays the foundation for an upswing in industry by causing an infusion of forex to the export markets. (In reality, it forces dollar holders to redeem them for far less than they should have gotten in goods. Heh.)

For that reason, my money is right where yours is--on the red white and blue squares, please.

596 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:06:39am

Good morning.

So did we finally get resolution last night on the great Lord Palmerston/Pitt the Elder debate?

597 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:07:19am

re: #583 Kenneth

Hi real! We're doing alright today. I think I found a good place for "M" to be where she is going to get the kind of long term care & therapy she needs. It's not an easy decision, but it's for the best.

I hope you & yours are doing fine!

As for the Obama-Rezko-Iraq link, I think this story is huge. I emailed Charles, hoping he features it. No surprise the MSM is ignoring it, though.

Not too shocked the MSM would ignore it. It does not fit within their given and accepted mindset. Obama's friends and supporters also supported another Hussein, Saddam. Nadhmi Auchi, for example, supports Obama now, but was the main bankroller for the Saddam regime.

Something stinks in Chicago, and it's not the onion patch for which the city was supposedly named.

598 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:07:28am

re: #492 AmeriDan

Could?

/Heh, pay backs a bitch, huh?

//just kidding... best regards

The keyboard on my wife's computer is a real SOB. It always seems to double O's, so I call it a Japanese-Dutch keyboard.

599 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:08:25am

re: #586 opnion

This has not one thing to do with anything that we are discussing.
In interleague play yesterday , 15 games involved American league teams playing National league teams.
The American League went 13 & 2.

As a loyal Dodger fan, all I can say is: wait 'til next year! [it's never too early to that if you're a Dodger fan]

600 vxbush  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:08:33am

I can't stop laughing at that video. Perhaps that shows signs of mental illness.

601 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:08:53am

re: #592 Honorary Yooper

Thanks for the spellin korexshun. Im nut tu gud at that.

And yes, I too see the psychological similarity between ID & Global warming Hysteria. There are some differences too, which is why one is a delusion of the right & the other of the left.

602 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:09:11am

re: #593 alegrias

* * *
Egomaniacs who don't work well with others. Bob Barr of Georgia for one.

I don't think Bob Barr will get too far with Republicans and Independents when this gets wider circulation:
[Link: spectator.org...]

Bob Barr got back to his anti-war roots yesterday, calling the prospect of U.S. military action against Iran "unnecessary, counterproductive, costly and dangerous."

In condemning the Bush administration's bellicose stance toward Tehran, the Libertarian presidential candidate was joined at a Capitol Hill press conference by a liberal roster that included Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee of California, Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Marcy Kaptur of Ohio. There was even an appearance by a contingent of activists from Code Pink, the distaff demonstrators infamous for their disruptive tactics.

603 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:09:18am

re: #573 Kenneth

There are many, many scientists who are also religious. The two are not mutually exclusive. As Galeleo said, "God would not have given us intelligence if HE did not intend us to use it." (that's my paraphrase)

G*d has given each of us an intellect and a will. IMHO He intends that we use our intellects to direct and form our wills. It's my observation that, for whatever reasons, many individuals want to persuade people to do the opposite. Bad Things almost always happen when they succeed in that persuasion.

For me, the more I learn about the physical universe, the more in awe I am at creation. Science answers "What?" & "How?", but only religion can amswer "Why?"

Amen!

604 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:09:21am

re: #594 Bubblehead II

Reposts happen. :-)

There are morning readers, and there are afternoon readers, and there are evening readers, and often, they don't see links posted at those times they aren't here. So reposts are not necessarily a bad thing.

605 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:09:38am

re: #590 Carolyn

I have a theory about gravity.
I believe that as you age time passes faster and gravity pulls harder on our old bodies. I have observed this phenomenon, therefore it is science.
Heh

Corollary: Sleepovers speed the passage of time although they seem to slow passage of time. End result = long night + extra gravity.

606 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:10:48am

ESPN suspends columnist Hill


ESPN.com columnist Jemele Hill was suspended yesterday after sparking outrage by comparing rooting for the Boston Celtics [team stats] to Adolf Hitler and nuclear war.

Naturally, she called for the firing of Imus.

Karma? Is that you calling?

607 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:10:48am

re: #549 Bubblehead II

Morning all. Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it is simply disgusting.

Salon Owner Broke After Being Sued for 'Hurt Feelings' by Muslim Stylist With Head Scarf

Hurt feeling my ass.

Noah admitted she had attended 25 interviews and not been chosen for any of them before she met Desrosiers. The extremist Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir later admitted it had "advised her.


Absurd in the exterme. Ms. Noah struck out at 25 interviews , but this is the one that 'hurt her feelings?"
I just knew that a Muslim pressure group, dominated by men pulled the strings.
Guy's in the ROP do not like their women free thinking.

608 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:10:56am

re: #603 CIA Reject

Yes, God gave us intelligence, will and self-responsibility. When we neglect those we fall into sin & a whole world of trouble.

609 Perry  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:11:00am

re: #594 Bubblehead II

Sure. Not a bad thing, just a thing.

610 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:11:49am

re: #573 Kenneth

For me, the more I learn about the physical universe, the more in awe I am at creation.

Speak for yourself. Sometimes, on very clear nights, I gaze up at the vast expanse of stars overhead, and contemplate how puny and insignificant they are, compared to me.

611 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #566 WriterMom Sigh. I'm sorry WriterMom, but as I tried to express above in #556, you can't always expect rationality with this up/down rating system and you won't know WHY anyone dinged you down unless they tell you why. And yes, there are people out there who get their jollies by dinging down certain posters that they don't like or just for the hell of it.
Try what I suggested in 556 - see if you recognize the nic's of the folks who dinged you down, if you don't either forget their ratings or call 'em on them.
It's my major gripe with Charles about the rating system - if you want to ding someone down, that's ok, but you should be obliged to say - post - why you dinged a comment down; that way maybe the poster will look at the comment with a different perspective or realize that he or she hasn't exactly expressed themselves correctly or that the down-dinger misread the comment or maybe get, ya know, a discussion or a dialog going.
Regrettably, Charles doesn't agree with me!

612 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:12:17am

re: #575 opnion

Yeah they have made the term 'Swift boating", A synonym for dishonest smearing. Conservative & middle of the road pundits no longer even call a liberal on the usage.
The Swifts are truthful & honorable men. Kerry is a traitor packaged as a blow dryad senator.

Geez, you'd think they'd know that the proper term for "dishonest smearing" is "Borking"!

613 bosforus  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:12:41am

Morning, all. Zero gravity, sweet!

614 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:13:47am

re: #599 Golem Akbar

As a loyal Dodger fan, all I can say is: wait 'til next year! [it's never too early to that if you're a Dodger fan]


Be careful. That is the mantra of Cub fans for 100 years!

615 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:13:57am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

LOL.

PS: I posted new Ezra video links in the spin-offs.

616 Kulhwch  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:13:57am

Ah, where to begin, where to begin ...

}:)     <rubbing hands together>

617 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:14:42am

re: #592 Honorary Yooper

That's what really irks me about the ID crowd

You're right that the ID Crowd can be very annoying in their approach and their intransigence. The idea of an intelligent designer is very reachable with science but they are too mired in "6 24 hour days or you're saying God is dead" thinking to hear us.

618 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:15:03am

re: #615 WriterMom

But I've talked enough about myself.

Tell me, what do you think of me?

619 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:15:28am

re: #597 Honorary Yooper

Curiously, one of the characters in this Obama imbroglio is one Ayham Alsammarae,

Alsammarae, Iraq’s slimy ex-Minister of Electricity under the Bremer and Allawi administrations, who had escaped from an Iraqi prison by hiring an American security company to break him out back in December 2006, has resurfaced in the Jordanian capital Amman where he gave a press conference today saying, among other things, that he hoped that the insurgency in Iraq “would continue [against U.S. occupation] and avenges the Iraqi people.”

Alsammarae was appointed to the post by Bremmer and for a while donated to Republican causes. Now he supports Obama. This may explain the almost total black out on this story, including why the RNC is not running with it.

620 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:15:35am
621 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:16:05am

re: #608 Kenneth

Yes, God gave us intelligence, will and self-responsibility. When we neglect those we fall into sin & a whole world of trouble.

Don't worry about God. James Cone, the father of Black Liberation Theology has a plan.
If God does not help to whack the White Man,"Then we will kill God!"

622 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:16:05am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

Spoke like a true Narcissist!

623 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:16:10am

re: #614 opnion

Be careful. That is the mantra of Cub fans for 100 years!

Nothing in LA is original, so I can say it if I want. nyah
(was in Chicago for the first time last month, but missed going to see the Cubs at home -- next time for sure)

624 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:16:29am

re: #618 Occasional Reader

Oh I think you know.

625 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:17:33am

re: #607 opnion

Hurt feeling my ass.

LOL. Not touching that one!

626 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:17:43am

re: #623 Golem Akbar

Nothing in LA is original, so I can say it if I want. nyah
(was in Chicago for the first time last month, but missed going to see the Cubs at home -- next time for sure)

Go to Comiskey & see baseball.

627 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:18:08am

re: #622 Kenneth

Spoke like a true Narcissist!

I just know that I'm a Lightworker, and an Agent of Change, that's all.

628 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:18:08am

re: #575 opnion

Yeah they have made the term 'Swift boating", A synonym for dishonest smearing. Conservative & middle of the road pundits no longer even call a liberal on the usage.

This is a serious problem.

Conservative talkers need to get their swagger back.

When some liberal whack job says "Bush Lied", conservative talkers need to hold the show hostage until this is cleared up. Go on and on about it. Become the Conservative Rage Boy.

629 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:18:52am

So, do we have a Taliban spring offensive or not? There are some ominous signs that they are engaging in one, but some of the reports may be little more than vaporware.

That said, there is a worrisome issue of Taliban getting their hands on US helicopter parts as they were being transferred in Pakistan. One of the recent Raptor airstrikes may have been to destroy those helicopters and take out the Taliban/al qaeda elements in the vicinity.

630 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:18:54am

re: #625 WriterMom

LOL. Not touching that one!

HA! How did I miss that... my reflexes are slipping.

631 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:19:03am

US military believes Shiite 'special group' behind deadly car bombing in Baghdad

BAGHDAD: The U.S. military blamed a renegade Shiite group Wednesday for a deadly truck bombing in a Baghdad Shiite neighborhood and said it was seeking to re-ignite the sort of sectarian violence that swept the area 18 months ago. Iraqi officials said the death toll from the bombing rose to 63, including women and children.

Monsters.

632 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:19:05am

re: #604 reine.de.tout

So true. When I drag my lazy butt out of bed early enough (0400) and spend the whole day here, I will see links to stories in the afternoon that I posted in the early morning thread show up in the afternoon open.

Redundancy isn't always a bad thing.
Redundancy isn't always a bad thing.

From the dept of redundancy

633 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:19:09am

re: #612 CIA Reject

Geez, you'd think they'd know that the proper term for "dishonest smearing" is "Borking"!

Really

634 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:19:36am

re: #628 faraway

635 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:19:45am

re: #583 KennethI'm sure glad to hear the news about "M"! I know that must not have been an easy decision to make, but, FWIW, it was the best one IMHO.
We're doing ok here today, thanks!

636 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:20:08am

re: #631 Kenneth

It's curious how one sees the Iraqis get disgusted with the terrorists operating in their midst and turning on them. Yet, the Palestinians in Gaza appear to cheer on every new depravity offered up by Hamas.

637 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:20:33am

re: #626 opnion

Go to Comiskey & see baseball.

I'd go to both ballparks if I could. Chicago is a beautiful city (architectural tour just blew me away), and next time there I plan to never stop until I've seen it all. Wrigley, Comiskey, here I come!

638 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:21:02am

re: #631 Kenneth

US military believes Shiite 'special group' behind deadly car bombing in Baghdad

Monsters.

I didn't know we were now referring to Iranians as a "Shiite 'special group'"

639 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:21:19am

re: #636 lawhawk

I believe that Palestinian culture has a certain je ne sais quoi about it.

Well, actually I do know...but I'm feeling very ladylike this morning so I'll refrain.

640 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:21:58am

re: #636 lawhawk

I have wondered about that too. I don't see how a parallel to the Surge & Sons of Iraq strategy could work in Gaza.

641 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:22:25am

re: #638 Sizzlack

Iranians are very special! Just ask the Hairy Persian Smelly Nazi-he's the Mahdi!

642 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:22:25am

re: #611 realwest

Hey Realwest. Morning. I don't do much dinging either up or down, but when I do, I hardly ever follow it up with a post explaining why. I figure the ding is enough. a Plus ding is the same as "That was a great post". A minus ding is the same as "That was a stupid post". I don't use the ding just to show I agree or disagree with the poster, its more of a quality rating. I might ding someone up on a point I disagree with if I think they made a good argument.

643 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:22:27am

re: #639 WriterMom

I believe that Palestinian culture has a certain je ne sais quoi about it.

Yes, an indefinable joie de tuer.

644 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #626 opnion

Go to Comiskey & see baseball.

Yes, just don't eat the food there. The NYT reviewed food from all the ballparks and found no redeeming features at the Chisox stadium.

645 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:23:20am

How about that Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), calling for Congressional hearings on smelly, self-dealing, below-market mortgage deals, in which 9 dems, 1 repub are suspected? Let the chips fall where they may!

Congress Keeps Mortgages Off Books
[Link: www.politico.com...]

646 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:23:22am

re: #638 Sizzlack

This was a new "special group" organized by Mookie, under the direction of the Iranians, to respond to their recent losses in Basra & Sadr City. This is not a good step for Mookie.

647 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:23:23am

re: #637 Golem Akbar

I'd go to both ballparks if I could. Chicago is a beautiful city (architectural tour just blew me away), and next time there I plan to never stop until I've seen it all. Wrigley, Comiskey, here I come!

Try to fit in Navy Pier , a great entertainment venue.
But as usual Rush street which was the habitat of Harry Cary is the night life place

648 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:23:29am

re: #639 WriterMom

I believe that Palestinian culture has a certain je ne sais quoi about it.

Well, actually I do know...but I'm feeling very ladylike this morning so I'll refrain.


Time to revive the old meaning, Philistine, as in primitive, in a bad way.

649 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:23:53am

re: #637 Golem Akbar

I'd go to both ballparks if I could. Chicago is a beautiful city (architectural tour just blew me away), and next time there I plan to never stop until I've seen it all. Wrigley, Comiskey, here I come!

Just remember to hold your nose if you go past the corner office, 5th floor, City Hall. The stench from there is unbelievable. It's almost as bad as the smell eminating from the Cook County Board President's office in the County Building.

I can smell both way out here in Will County.

650 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:24:06am

re: #643 Occasional Reader

Yes, an indefinable joie de tuer.


joie de morte

651 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:24:27am

re: #640 Kenneth

I have wondered about that too. I don't see how a parallel to the Surge & Sons of Iraq strategy could work in Gaza.

It wouldn't, because the terrorists are fully supported by the population to engage in a war against Israel. And Israel plays into their hands by not dealing a crushing and fatal blow to the terror masters. It lets the terrorists think that they can outlast Israel and win by TKO.

652 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:24:42am

re: #625 WriterMom

whoops, blush.... Missed that little slip.

Hurt feelings, my ass

653 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:24:47am

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

654 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:24:59am

re: #644 lawhawk

Yes, just don't eat the food there. The NYT reviewed food from all the ballparks and found no redeeming features at the Chisox stadium.

Since when did the NYT's opinion matter in anything?

655 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:25:07am

re: #649 Honorary Yooper

Just remember to hold your nose if you go past the corner office, 5th floor, City Hall. The stench from there is unbelievable. It's almost as bad as the smell eminating from the Cook County Board President's office in the County Building.

I can smell both way out here in Will County.


Warning accepted and understood.

656 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:25:26am

re: #644 lawhawk

Yes, just don't eat the food there. The NYT reviewed food from all the ballparks and found no redeeming features at the Chisox stadium.


I really take issue with the NYT. Comiskey has a great food court.
The best ballpark food though is from the vendors outside of Fenway.

657 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:25:38am

re: #643 Occasional Reader

Yes, that inextinguishable joie de murtre sanguinaire.

658 Vergeltung  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:25:41am

re: #564 Spenser (with an S)

Also, as scientists discover the absolutely stunning number of things that had to go right on the molecular level in the formation of a universe that supports light, gravity, life, etc... the honest ones admit that it is statistically impossible

(emphasis added)

THAT, my friend, hits the nail on the head and is the true weakness of that house of cards. I forget the catch phrase used to describe the story, but, it's something like "there's no more chance of a jet swooping down on a heap of building materials and causing a house to form with the downdraft & airflow, than for life as we know it today to have formed on a series of random chance mutations"

interesting..... :)

659 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:06am

re: #647 opnion

Yeah and if you are going on the Chicago River tour while the Dave Matthews band is in town, bring an umbrella!

660 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:07am

re: #620 WriterMom

LOL!

I actually love that song.

Reminds me of junior high!

661 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:11am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

Obama in the lead? Yeah right. We'll see if that's true before too much longer.

662 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:14am

Pollster: Do you believe in Hope and Change?
Dupe: Yes
Pollster: Then I would like you to participate in a poll

663 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:20am

re: #652 Bubblehead II

Hey-if you got hurt feeling your ass, I'd want to know about it.

664 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:24am

re: #631 Kenneth Wasn't igniting a sectarian civil war in Iraq one of the specified goals of Al-Q, or Osama or al-Sadr (or all three)?
And how come the MSM gets all worked up about a few mulsim deaths at the hands of the "infidels" but can barely contain a yawn when a whole lot of muslims are murdered by other muslims "for the greater good"?!

665 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:51am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

And that Matt Drudge has his nose so far up the Obamessiah's ass that he can see out the Obamessiah's mouth.

666 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:26:55am

re: #645 alegrias

What? It's shocking. SHOCKING, that politicians got favorable terms from lenders.

And Dodd says he had no idea? Who is he kidding? Of course he'd have to know. If he didn't, then he has no place in Congress.

667 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:27:00am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

Thats why I linked to the AOL poll earlier. The left wing media has a vested interest in telling us Obama has a big lead to try and kind of trick everyone into thinking that its already over. Yet the AOL poll has McCain leading by 10 points. I dont believe that is because McCain has a legion of poll spammers out there. I call Shenanigans!

The Poll, one more time

668 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:27:31am

re: #659 mich-again

Yeah and if you are going on the Chicago River tour while the Dave Matthews band is in town, bring an umbrella!

Yeah, that was really something.

669 David Simon  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:27:42am

re: #647 opnion

But as usual Rush street which was the habitat of Harry Cary is the night life place

If your idea on "night life" is getting sloppy drunk and trying to get laid.

You can have it my friend.

670 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:27:47am

re: #663 WriterMom

Hey-if you got hurt feeling your ass, I'd want to know about it.

Joe: Hey Bob, what's with the arm?
Bob: I broke it patting myself on the back.
Joe: Patting yourself on the back? What for?
Bob: Minding my own business!

671 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:27:53am

re: #639 WriterMom

I believe that Palestinian culture has a certain je ne sais quoi about it....

Isn't "je ne sais quoi" French for "open sewers running down the middle of the street"?

672 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:28:04am

re: #654 Honorary Yooper

Good point - though the food and dining stuff is pretty interesting. Of course, food options always rely on personal preferences and there's no accounting for taste :)

673 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:28:15am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

What a rude awakening they will have in November.

Most polls of LIKELY VOTERS have them in a dead heat.

674 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:28:27am

re: #664 realwest

DUH.

Muslim kill Muslim >hit the snooze button.
Jew kill Muslim >front page news, crime against humanity, blah blah.
Muslim kill Jew>yawn, stupid Zionists deserved it.

675 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:28:31am

re: #629 lawhawk

That said, there is a worrisome issue of Taliban getting their hands on US helicopter parts as they were being transferred in Pakistan. One of the recent Raptor airstrikes may have been to destroy those helicopters and take out the Taliban/al qaeda elements in the vicinity.

It's annoying, but not worrisome. I can't imagine the Taliban being able to do anything with the helicoptor or the parts. There's no way they would be able to fly the darn thing. The will just video tape themselves dancing around it firing their AK's into the air.

676 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:28:49am

re: #667 Sizzlack

Thats why I linked to the AOL poll earlier. The left wing media has a vested interest in telling us Obama has a big lead to try and kind of trick everyone into thinking that its already over. Yet the AOL poll has McCain leading by 10 points. I dont believe that is because McCain has a legion of poll spammers out there. I call Shenanigans!

The Poll, one more time

That is not an Internet poll.

Ron Paul is not listed.

/

677 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:03am

re: #668 opnion

Yeah, that was really something.

Explain?

678 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:04am

re: #667 Sizzlack

Thats why I linked to the AOL poll earlier. The left wing media has a vested interest in telling us Obama has a big lead to try and kind of trick everyone into thinking that its already over. Yet the AOL poll has McCain leading by 10 points. I dont believe that is because McCain has a legion of poll spammers out there. I call Shenanigans!

The Poll, one more time

They think if they say it enough times it will become the truth.

Like OJ.

679 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:14am

re: #658 Vergeltung

(emphasis added)

THAT, my friend, hits the nail on the head and is the true weakness of that house of cards. I forget the catch phrase used to describe the story, but, it's something like "there's no more chance of a jet swooping down on a heap of building materials and causing a house to form with the downdraft & airflow, than for life as we know it today to have formed on a series of random chance mutations"

interesting..... :)

Frankly, that's always seemed to me like a weak argument. Viewed ex ante, ANY outcome of ANY very complex series of events appears statistically impossible. But there will certainly be SOME outcome. Rather like, while the chances of any one ticket winning Powerball are astronomically small, eventually some ticket will win - even though the chances for that particular ticket were as astronomically small as they were for any other. That doesn't mean divine intervention was involved.

680 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:15am

re: #636 lawhawk

It's curious how one sees the Iraqis get disgusted with the terrorists operating in their midst and turning on them. Yet, the Palestinians in Gaza appear to cheer on every new depravity offered up by Hamas.

* * *
One difference, if I may suggest:

The Palis are urged on by billions of persons with grudges, to remain grudgeful & trogloditish.

The Iraqis, thanks to coalition presence, are personas non gratas whom other persons with grudges don't even wish to acknowledge as a country, nor send ambassadors to, because Iraqis are leaving the 7th century.

681 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:28am

Iraqi FM Zebairi contradicts Obama's version of discussion

Obama and Zebari, II Jennifer Rubin - 06.18.2008 - 8:30 AM "I speculated that something seemed odd about Barack Obama’s account of his conversation with Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshay Zebari. Obama said that Zebari didn’t express any concern about Obama’s immediate withdrawal plans. Well, according to Zebari that is a lie. Washington Post editors sat down with Zebari and this is what he said: The foreign minister said “my message” to Mr. Obama “was very clear. . . . Really, we are making progress. I hope any actions you will take will not endanger this progress.” He said he was reassured by the candidate’s response, which caused him to think that Mr. Obama might not differ all that much from Mr. McCain.

682 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:33am

re: #621 opnion

Don't worry about God. James Cone, the father of Black Liberation Theology has a plan.
If God does not help to whack the White Man,"Then we will kill God!"

That's quite a quote!

683 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:41am

re: #642 mich-again
Hey mich! "I might ding someone up on a point I disagree with if I think they made a good argument."
A fat lot of help you are! Would you ding down something you agreed with because the poster made a poor argument?! LOL!

684 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:29:51am

re: #669 David Simon

If your idea on "night life" is getting sloppy drunk and trying to get laid.

You can have it my friend.

Not any longer. I am just saying that tourists really like Rush Street

685 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:30:19am

re: #664 realwest

Wasn't igniting a sectarian civil war in Iraq one of the specified goals of Al-Q, or Osama or al-Sadr (or all three)?
And how come the MSM gets all worked up about a few mulsim deaths at the hands of the "infidels" but can barely contain a yawn when a whole lot of muslims are murdered by other muslims "for the greater good"?!

Simple. The U.S. is evil and the victims of our evil are lashing out.
moonbat mode off/

686 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:30:29am

re: #671 CIA Reject

Isn't "je ne sais quoi" French for "open sewers running down the middle of the street"?

Yes, and "Honoré de Balzac" is the French term for "no hitting below the belt".

687 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:30:54am

re: #664 realwest

The MSM will report it if it makes the US look bad "Civil war returns to Iraq!"... but they will ignore it so long as it makes Obama's partners in peace, the Iranians look bad.

688 Vergeltung  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:30:59am

re: #617 Spenser (with an S)

ID is not intrinsicly tied to creationism. they are separate and distinct IMO.

689 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:31:15am

re: #675 Kenneth

It's annoying, but not worrisome. I can't imagine the Taliban being able to do anything with the helicoptor or the parts. There's no way they would be able to fly the darn thing. The will just video tape themselves dancing around it firing their AK's into the air.


Well, they could flog indecent women with the helicoptor parts.

690 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:31:23am

re: #656 opnion

I really take issue with the NYT. Comiskey has a great food court.
The best ballpark food though is from the vendors outside of Fenway.

The ones INSIDE Fenway failed health inspections opening day; they have since fixed the problems.

691 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:31:46am

re: #669 David Simon

If your idea on "night life" is getting sloppy drunk and trying to get laid.

To every thing, there is a season. LOL.

My 'night life' is the occasional visit to the Lizard Lounge, follwing dinner, homework, baths, glasses of water, the Song of Mommy I Can't Sleep Can I Come Into Your Bed, etc...

692 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:10am

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

Excellent catch. Obama is a pathological liar.

693 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:21am

re: #663 WriterMom

not going there, no way.

/can't I just finish my waffle?

694 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:32am

re: #671 CIA Reject

No-I think that it's French for "LALALLALALALA we got no YOOT problem here".

695 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:32am

re: #690 Kosh's Shadow

The ones INSIDE Fenway failed health inspections opening day; they have since fixed the problems.

The good stuff is from the street vendors.

696 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:39am

re: #653 FrogMarch I went to that link, but saw it was from Matt (I used to be somebody) Drudge and just closed the window.

697 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:32:45am

Bush and McCain are pretty smart with this offshore drilling ban rhetoric.

It takes the focus off of Bush as the cause of high oil prices (MSM focus) and pushes the blame over to Dems that dont want us to drill.

Genius without Karl Rove, wow.

698 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:01am

re: #661 Hard Right

Obama in the lead? Yeah right. We'll see if that's true before too much longer.

I'm on record predicting that Obama will remain in the lead in MSM-touted polls until November. He really needs that much help.

(see Bandwagon effect)

699 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:13am

re: #691 WriterMom

To every thing, there is a season. LOL.

My 'night life' is the occasional visit to the Lizard Lounge, follwing dinner, homework, baths, glasses of water, the Song of Mommy I Can't Sleep Can I Come Into Your Bed, etc...

Ah, le joi de vive!

700 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:17am

re: #677 Golem Akbar

There was an "incident" involving the Dave Matthews tour bus. They stopped on a bridge over the river and dumped the holding tank through the grating. And right onto the heads of tourists on a Architectural tour.

701 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:24am

re: #667 Sizzlack

Thats why I linked to the AOL poll earlier. The left wing media has a vested interest in telling us Obama has a big lead to try and kind of trick everyone into thinking that its already over. Yet the AOL poll has McCain leading by 10 points. I dont believe that is because McCain has a legion of poll spammers out there. I call Shenanigans!

The Poll, one more time

Interesting poll. As I see it now, California, Washington, Illinois, New York, and Connecticut, Maryland, DC, and Hawai'i pull for Obama. Otherwise, it's all John McCain. That's a mere 142 for Obama, and 396 for McCain. Landslide come November 4, anyone?

702 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:49am

re: #699 Kenneth

So true!

703 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:33:53am
704 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:01am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?

I'd be more interested in the underlying numbers - and how they arrived at the tallies. And if you take a closer look, you might find some interesting vagaries. Take Ohio for example:


Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Wht Blk HsHlds

Obama 48% 7% 80% 43% 45% 51% 44% 90% 52%
McCain 42 87 13 45 46 39 47 6 39

I know that chart is not formatted, but the first column of numbers is the total, second republicans who would vote for a candidate, third is the democrats, fourth is the independents.

If you scan that - you'd see that McCain leads Obama among independents and gets more GOPers than Obama gets Democrats. Yet, the weighting favors Obama. That would happen only if you oversample Democrats (or someone correct me if I'm wrong). To my eye, it would suggest that Ohio is clearly in play - and Obama may be even or behind McCain - not ahead by 6 as claimed.

705 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:11am

re: #673 loppyd

What a rude awakening they will have in November.

Most polls of LIKELY VOTERS have them in a dead heat.

Dewey and Truman all over again. Except that both Dewey and Truman were respectable people, and would have made decent presidents; neither would have destroyed the country, unlike Obama.

706 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:19am

re: #684 opnion

Not any longer. I am just saying that tourists really like Rush Street


I did, as a tourist. And as an Angelino (LA born and bred), I'm used to seeing Sunset Blvd, Hollywood Blvd, Las Vegas Blvd, etc. Rush was pretty cool and everyone seemed in a party mood. And there was music everywhere. It was fun.

707 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:29am

re: #701 Honorary Yooper

Interesting poll. As I see it now, California, Washington, Illinois, New York, and Connecticut, Maryland, DC, and Hawai'i pull for Obama. Otherwise, it's all John McCain. That's a mere 142 for Obama, and 396 for McCain. Landslide come November 4, anyone?

Sure does bear a striking resemblance to 1972.

708 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:33am

re: #698 Dar ul Harb

I'm on record predicting that Obama will remain in the lead in MSM-touted polls until November. He really needs that much help.

Obama will be ahead in the exit polls as well.

Poor fools will be shocked again that Americans are not stupid lemmings.

709 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:51am

re: #572 WriterMom

Maybe my sarcasm is offensive?

LOL.

I appreciate your sarcasm.

I was accused of being too sarcastic in a performance review once. LOL

710 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:34:59am

re: #675 Kenneth

I disagree only because the Taliban have shown that they have Islamists on the inside of the Pakistani military, and they could conceivably take advantage of that technology - besides dancing around and partying like it's 699.

711 bosforus  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:00am

re: #703 ploome hineni

....can anyone understamd this?

Battle of the Spouses: A Bit Better for Obama
Early Edge is Michelle Obama's, But Plenty of Room to Move for Cindy McCain

Slow news day.

712 David Simon  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:06am

re: #640 Kenneth

I have wondered about that too. I don't see how a parallel to the Surge & Sons of Iraq strategy could work in Gaza.

It'll only work if the people turn on Hamas. We should cut off all aid. Make Hamas choose between weapons and food. If Iran steps up to fill the void, so much the better. Iran is already a high-unemployment socialist shithole. I don't think the average Iranian would react too well to their government diverting additional funds to Hamas.

713 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:21am

re: #698 Dar ul Harb

I'm on record predicting that Obama will remain in the lead in MSM-touted polls until November. He really needs that much help.

(see Bandwagon effect)


Post Turtle!

714 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #703 ploome hineni

METHODOLOGY - This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June 12-15, 2008, among a random national sample of 1,125 adults, including an oversample of African Americans (weighted to their correct share of the national population), for a total of 201 black respondents. The results from the full survey have a 3-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, PA.

Wow. There are telephones that can verify people's skin colour? Cool.

715 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:30am

re: #702 WriterMom

I know all about it. My little one called out in his sleep last night,


"Ice cream!"

That was it, and then he rolled over.

716 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:45am

re: #679 Occasional Reader

Frankly, that's always seemed to me like a weak argument. Viewed ex ante, ANY outcome of ANY very complex series of events appears statistically impossible. But there will certainly be SOME outcome. Rather like, while the chances of any one ticket winning Powerball are astronomically small, eventually some ticket will win - even though the chances for that particular ticket were as astronomically small as they were for any other. That doesn't mean divine intervention was involved.

But an intelligence (in the case, a person or a machine designed by a person) will draw that number...

717 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:48am

re: #701 Honorary Yooper

Interesting poll. As I see it now, California, Washington, Illinois, New York, and Connecticut, Maryland, DC, and Hawai'i pull for Obama. Otherwise, it's all John McCain. That's a mere 142 for Obama, and 396 for McCain. Landslide come November 4, anyone?

Inshallah, habibi.

718 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:35:50am

re: #653 FrogMarch

Obama in the lead - everywhere.

Gee - it couldn't have anything to do with the constant pro-Obama media barrage?


* * *
Also with the lack of intestinal fortitude of our fellow citizens, looking for dopey "deliverance" instead of straight talk.

Ex-moslem Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes in her autobiography "Infidel" how she too voted once for socialists who promised the moon, but then she realized it was at the expense of choice, liberty & individual rights.

719 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:36:20am

re: #709 loppyd

Ahh... performance reviews. What a waste of time. American productivity would increase 15% if these were banned.

720 Vergeltung  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:36:36am

re: #679 Occasional Reader

I understand what you are saying. however, one instance is a single event. the others require a chain of causal events, that are all necessary links, and all have the same level of improbability.

you feelin' me? ;)

721 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:36:37am

re: #710 lawhawk

That is true. The Pakistani intelligence service & part of the military is onside with the Taliban/AQ.

722 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:36:39am

re: #709 loppyd

I was once asked by a Muslim HR person if I have ever had any problems 'getting along' with people of different races, cultures and ethnicities.

723 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:07am

re: #705 Kosh's Shadow

Dewey and Truman all over again. Except that both Dewey and Truman were respectable people, and would have made decent presidents; neither would have destroyed the country, unlike Obama.

They are trying to create the 'HUGE bump' they predicted for Obama after locking up the nomination.

If Obama does lose it will be the death blow to the MSM.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

724 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:18am

re: #674 WriterMom Absolutley correct and if you substitute Christian for Jew you get the same results.

725 zmdavid  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:26am

re: #673 loppyd

What a rude awakening they will have in November.

Most polls of LIKELY VOTERS have them in a dead heat.

Obama hopes unlikely voters will change their ways and vote for him.

726 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:29am

re: #721 Kenneth

The Pakistani intelligence service & part of the military is onside with the Taliban/AQ.

Well DUH. Of course they are on the same side. They all root for Alan!

727 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:31am

re: #700 mich-again

There was an "incident" involving the Dave Matthews tour bus. They stopped on a bridge over the river and dumped the holding tank through the grating. And right onto the heads of tourists on a Architectural tour.


/Ahhh, the smell of offal in the morning! Or any other time.
Well, I'm glad I missed it. Really glad.

728 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:40am

re: #658 Vergeltung

re: #564 Spenser (with an S)

Also, as scientists discover the absolutely stunning number of things that had to go right on the molecular level in the formation of a universe that supports light, gravity, life, etc... the honest ones admit that it is statistically impossible

(emphasis added)

THAT, my friend, hits the nail on the head and is the true weakness of that house of cards. I forget the catch phrase used to describe the story, but, it's something like "there's no more chance of a jet swooping down on a heap of building materials and causing a house to form with the downdraft & airflow, than for life as we know it today to have formed on a series of random chance mutations"

interesting..... :)

And... It's not just complex life forms because they can put together a model for that. It's everything from the exact expansion rate of the universe (not too fast or too slow) to the exact force of gravity to the form of water molecules. It is so elegant- water happens to be transparent to the sunlight in the wavelengths our eyes can see but not the waves our eyes can't see. So, water in the atmosphere allows some sunlight to reach our surface to allow for photosynthesis, but blocks most UV and x-rays which destroy life.

729 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:45am

re: #712 David Simon

Amen. From you lips to Olmert's cabinet. OK, never mind...

730 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:52am

re: #722 WriterMom

I was once asked by a Muslim HR person if I have ever had any problems 'getting along' with people of different races, cultures and ethnicities.

See, this DRIVES ME CRAZY. It doesn't matter how I FEEL about anything or anyone; it matters how I BEHAVE TOWARDS THEM, which can be observed and documented.

731 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:37:55am
732 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:01am

re: #724 realwest

Actually-if you substitute Christian for Jew, then you get the added Crusader benefits....

733 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:17am

i hate to be a "debby downer" but mccain has plenty of time to screw this up. all you lizards, religious, secular and atheists alike, pray he doesn't.

734 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:20am

re: #708 faraway

Obama will be ahead in the exit polls as well.

Poor fools will be shocked again that Americans are not stupid lemmings.

It would be fun watching Obama try to ad-lib a concession speech when he had the acceptance speech queued up on the teleprompter.

Rev Wrong will have no problems - "G-d damn the US, G-d damn whitey, G-d damn the Jooos; they stole the election from the black man"

Given Obama's underlying anger (very controlled), I wonder what of this will show up in Obama's concession speech.

735 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:38am

re: #706 Golem Akbar

I did, as a tourist. And as an Angelino (LA born and bred), I'm used to seeing Sunset Blvd, Hollywood Blvd, Las Vegas Blvd, etc. Rush was pretty cool and everyone seemed in a party mood. And there was music everywhere. It was fun.



You are exactly right. In my yout we would go to the bars there to gawk at the pretty women. Lots & lots of pretty women.

736 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:41am

re: #675 Kenneth

The will just video tape themselves dancing around it firing their AK's into the air.

LOL. FUNNEEEEEEEE.

737 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:42am

Just for those who wonder where Quinnipiac got their numbers from, here's their polling questions and methodologies.

738 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:44am

re: #712 David Simon

I don't think the average Iranian would react too well to their government diverting additional funds to Hamas.

Iranians always seem to be "reacting" in a negative manner toward the Mullahs. And then they get their heads cracked and taken to prison.

739 Vergeltung  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:38:54am

re: #697 faraway


Genius without Karl Rove, wow.

how do you know he's not still pulling the strings? ;)

740 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:03am

re: #722 WriterMom

This was just before he engineered your being fired for being a Jooooo, right?

741 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:15am

re: #733 phoenixgirl

i hate to be a "debby downer" but mccain has plenty of time to screw this up. all you lizards, religious, secular and atheists alike, pray he doesn't.

good thing Obama is way out in front of McCain on the screw up front then...

742 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:29am

re: #679 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. - you may be right, but if I win the Powerball, I'm sure as heck gonna say "Thank God"! LOL!

743 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:31am

re: #722 WriterMom

I was once asked by a Muslim HR person if I have ever had any problems 'getting along' with people of different races, cultures and ethnicities.

I have only ever had problems with those from cultures that do not value soap, water, and/or deodorant.

And the problems were cured by me staying far, far away with my mouth shut.

Oh, and I disliked big "hall meetings" in foreign languages at a previous job, so I would always go right up to them and join the group.

744 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:45am

LGF spy won't scroll for me. I am using FF3, but it did scroll yesterday with FF3.

745 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:39:50am

re: #722 WriterMom

I was once asked by a Muslim HR person if I have ever had any problems 'getting along' with people of different races, cultures and ethnicities.

See, I would have said, "only the ones that want to kill me."

Is that too sarcastic?

746 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:40:15am

re: #725 zmdavid

Obama hopes unlikely voters will change their ways and vote for him.

Of course, the more the MSM says Obama will win, the more those unlikely voters will stay home.
Good.

747 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:40:44am

re: #666 lawhawk

What? It's shocking. SHOCKING, that politicians got favorable terms from lenders.

And Dodd says he had no idea? Who is he kidding? Of course he'd have to know. If he didn't, then he has no place in Congress.

* * *
Isn't self-dealing VIP friend of Angelo Mozilo's, former dem. presidential wannabee Sen. Chris Dodd HEAD OF THE SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE? YES! Here he is handing out taxpayer dollars to bail out Angelo Mozilo of Countryside:

Senate Banking Committee Passes Major Bipartisan Housing Legislation
May 20, 2008

[Link: dodd.senate.gov...]

748 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:40:48am

re: #734 Kosh's Shadow

It would be fun watching Obama try to ad-lib a concession speech when he had the acceptance speech queued up on the teleprompter.

Rev Wrong will have no problems - "G-d damn the US, G-d damn whitey, G-d damn the Jooos; they stole the election from the black man"

Given Obama's underlying anger (very controlled), I wonder what of this will show up in Obama's concession speech.

I fully expect Obama to use the same tactics he suggested for his cousin in Kenya. Rise up and gain power by intimidation or worse.

749 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:41:13am

re: #703 ploome hineni

....can anyone understamd this?

Battle of the Spouses: A Bit Better for Obama
Early Edge is Michelle Obama's, But Plenty of Room to Move for Cindy McCain

Sure--only conservative talk radio has been covering Michelle Obama, so the rest of the country sees exactly what this article says--AMERICA LOVES MICHELLE!

Like that mousy, un-interesting non-person Jackie Kennedy. Plain and harmless, somehow the media hypnotized America into thinking that she was beautiful (pig-eyed and dour), glamorous (money buys a lot of clothes), and classy (walked like a hooker in heels, like horse in cobblestones, and had that GodAwful screeching accent). But to the media, Richard and Pat Nixon were the mis-shapen ones, those cast out.

750 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:41:22am

re: #740 Kenneth

Didn't happen quite like that...but that's what he would have wanted.

751 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:41:22am

re: #686 Occasional Reader

Yes, and "Honoré de Balzac" is the French term for "no hitting below the belt".

re: #694 WriterMom

No-I think that it's French for "LALALLALALALA we got no YOOT problem here".

Gee, all the stuff you can learn here on LGF! :-)

752 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:41:58am

re: #719 faraway

Ahh... performance reviews. What a waste of time. American productivity would increase 15% if these were banned.

It's hard to take constructive criticism from someone who says "irregardless" and pronounces mine as "mayan" and susceptible as "'ceptable."

LOL

753 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:11am

re: #745 loppyd

ROFL. Good one. But the circumstances would not have allowed me to use such a brilliant come back.

754 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:12am

re: #745 loppyd

See, I would have said, "only the ones that want to kill me."

Is that too sarcastic?

Yes, we call being overly truthful a "Career Limiting Move" (CLM).

Like a virgin bride, it's best to leave 'em guessing what's under the proverbial skirts until they are fully committed.

755 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:43am

re: #728 Spenser (with an S)

So, water in the atmosphere allows some sunlight to reach our surface to allow for photosynthesis, but blocks most UV and x-rays which destroy life.

No offense, but this is something of circular argument. "If the conditions allowing life as we know it hadn't existed, than life as we know it wouldn't exist." Well... duh (to use a classic rhetorical tactic).

Not to mention that counterexamples of Not Terribly Intelligent Design abound. I have an appendix which can do nothing for me except get infected and, if not treated, kill me. Nothing very "elegant" about that.

756 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:47am

re: #748 faraway

I fully expect Obama to use the same tactics he suggested for his cousin in Kenya. Rise up and gain power by intimidation or worse.

He has a ready-made army, in the NOI.
I don't think it would work in the US, and it would set back race relations 150 years.

757 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:49am

re: #737 lawhawk

Did they poll likely voters?

758 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:42:53am

re: #675 Kenneth

It's annoying, but not worrisome. I can't imagine the Taliban being able to do anything with the helicoptor or the parts. There's no way they would be able to fly the darn thing. The will just video tape themselves dancing around it firing their AK's into the air.

They could sell them to someone like China, North Korea, or Iran. Supposedly the Cobra gunship was sold to someone.

759 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:43:22am

re: #716 goddessoftheclassroom

But an intelligence (in the case, a person or a machine designed by a person) will draw that number...

That was pretty bad...

760 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:43:32am

re: #715 Kenneth

That is TOO ADORABLE.

Night terror! Ice Cream! My ICE CREAM!

zzzzzzzzzzz

761 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:43:35am

re: #733 phoenixgirl

i hate to be a "debby downer" but mccain has plenty of time to screw this up. all you lizards, religious, secular and atheists alike, pray he doesn't.

The hopeful thing is that McCain is old enough to have already made all the newbie mistakes that Obama is still working through. If McCain makes some sort of a gaffe, it's not likely to be stuff like "bitter people clinging to guns and religion" that pissed off so many Americans.

762 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:43:36am

re: #703 ploome hineni

....can anyone understamd this?

Battle of the Spouses: A Bit Better for Obama
Early Edge is Michelle Obama's, But Plenty of Room to Move for Cindy McCain

Apparently they restricted their polling to people who enjoy getting whined at and don't like beer.

763 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:44:34am

re: #749 haakondahl

"...somehow the media hypnotized America into thinking that she was beautiful (pig-eyed and dour), glamorous (money buys a lot of clothes), and classy (walked like a hooker in heels, like horse in cobblestones.."

Dang. Talking smack about Jackie Kennedy? You don't see that every day.

764 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:21am

re: #733 phoenixgirl

i hate to be a "debby downer" but mccain has plenty of time to screw this up. all you lizards, religious, secular and atheists alike, pray he doesn't.


I do believe the polls that Obama has a lead.
McCain can bring him back, but he will need the help of the dreaded 527's that he & Fiengold are largely responsible.
They will go after Obama for a host of legitimate issues & his race will not inoculate him from their attacks.

765 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:26am

re: #728 Spenser (with an S)

I consider one of the most thoughtful examinations of that whole issue was done a while back by none other than Carl Sagan in his series Cosmos. I know that some will question his treatment of evolution as a foregone conclusion, but he does point to the science behind the creation of amino acids and proteins that form the building blocks of all life as we know it. It's how we get from those clumps of matter to sentient life that continues to represent a stumbling block.

He raises profound questions and issues, which is reason enough to watch (and The Science Channel has recently rereleased the series with updated animations too).

766 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:28am

Mahdi Army cell leader behind deadly Baghdad bombing
By Bill Roggio June 18, 2008 8:31 AM

Yesterday's car bomb attack in the Shia neighborhood of Hayy Hurriyah in Baghdad's Kadamiyah district was carried out by a Mahdi Army Special Group cell, and not al Qaeda in Iraq, the US military stated.

The bombing was the largest inside Baghdad since March. The Iraqi military indicates 27 Iraqis were killed and 40 wounded, while press reports put the number killed as high as 51, with more than 80 wounded.

A Mahdi Army cell leader named Haydar Mahdi Khadum Al Fawadi was behind the attack, according to intelligence information obtained by Multinational Forces Iraq.

"We believe the attack was not conducted by AQI [al Qaeda in Iraq]," said Lieutenant Colonel Steven Stover, the chief Public Affairs Officer for Multinational Division Baghdad in an e-mail to The Long War Journal. Though vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices are a trademark of AQI, our intelligence, corroborated through multiple sources, is this atrocity was committed by a special groups cell led by Haydar Mahdi Khadum Al Fawadi."

It is important to get this info out. Yesterday, the MSM reported the attack "had the hallmarks of an Al Qaeda attack". Not so. This was an Iranian directed operation targeting Shia Iraqis.

767 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:42am

re: #730 goddessoftheclassroom

Exactly. What happened to me was a gang up, and I still have the documentation. But, because of Canada's thought crimes investigations-it would be possible to look back into years of my e-mails, where it is likely that they would find some joke that I made about SOMETHING or SOMEBODY and use that against me...

768 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:45am

re: #717 Occasional Reader

Inshallah, habibi.


Me too!

769 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:45:51am

re: #762 CIA Reject

Here's a poll saying the opposite -
[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]
Michelle Obama Viewed More Unfavorably Than Cindy McCain, Poll Finds

770 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:46:10am

re: #756 Kosh's Shadow

He has a ready-made army, in the NOI.
I don't think it would work in the US, and it would set back race relations 150 years.

Riots. Multiple Rage Boys. Outrage everywhere. Because of Stolen elections, Vote Fraud, Racism, SwiftBoating, Smear Campaigns at the last minute, etc.

771 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:46:17am

re: #748 faraway

I fully expect Obama to use the same tactics he suggested for his cousin in Kenya. Rise up and gain power by intimidation or worse.

Oh, come on.

There's not going to be an Obama Coup D'Etat. Let's focus on beating the leftists at the polls, not on phantom threats.

772 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:46:41am

re: #753 WriterMom

ROFL. Good one. But the circumstances would not have allowed me to use such a brilliant come back.

public stoning?

773 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:46:42am

"The difference between polls and a bag of manure is the bag."

774 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:46:49am

re: #760 WriterMom

That is TOO ADORABLE.

Night terror! Ice Cream! My ICE CREAM!

zzzzzzzzzzz

Or maybe it was "I scream"?

775 alegrias  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:02am

re: #689 opnion

Well, they could flog indecent women with the helicoptor parts.

* * *
Who says Taliban who can't fly...

Does the name Mohammed Atta ring any bells? Sure he was just an architect student from Hamburg, Germany.

776 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:05am

re: #752 loppyd

It's hard to take constructive criticism from someone who says "irregardless" and pronounces mine as "mayan" and susceptible as "'ceptable."

LOL

How about , 'You need to HOME your skills"
Or, you need to 'Cut the mustard?"

777 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:06am

re: #772 loppyd

You're killing me! LOLOLOL

More like the Ulema!

778 David Simon  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:08am

re: #738 mich-again

Iranians always seem to be "reacting" in a negative manner toward the Mullahs. And then they get their heads cracked and taken to prison.

True, but there's a limit to what they'll take, and the mad mullahs know it.

Change in Iran will have to come from within. The people need our help, and we need them to be as disgusted with the regime as we are.

779 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:28am

re: #760 WriterMom

He does that sort of thing opften. Once during sleep he reached over, grabbed his mother 's hair and shouted. "I got the cat!"

We laughed so hard we couldn't get back to sleep after that.

780 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:32am

re: #773 WriterMom

"The difference between polls and a bag of manure is the bag."

LOL - perfect.

781 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:35am

re: #754 OldLineTexan

Yes, we call being overly truthful a "Career Limiting Move" (CLM).

Like a virgin bride, it's best to leave 'em guessing what's under the proverbial skirts until they are fully committed.

You Texans have some funny sayings.

/ducking

782 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:55am

re: #774 Occasional Reader

We can all scream for ice cream, obviously.

783 Vergeltung  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:47:58am

re: #763 mich-again

Dang. Talking smack about Jackie Kennedy? You don't see that every day.

most of what he said about her is just wrong anyways. very glamorous and beautiful woman. that's fairly obvious to all.

784 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:48:04am

re: #755 Occasional Reader

There are some medical researchers who now believe that the appendix is anything but a vestigial organ, but plays some role in managing the flora of the intestines and/or lymphatic system.

785 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:06am

re: #779 Kenneth

LOL. One of my kids was sooo tired one time and (suprise) refused to go to sleep...."Mommy, Mommmmeeeeeee my eybrows hurt me...."

786 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:08am

re: #755 Occasional Reader

No offense, but this is something of circular argument. "If the conditions allowing life as we know it hadn't existed, than life as we know it wouldn't exist." Well... duh

There's a more sophisticated name for that "duh".

The Anthropic Cosmological Principle.

787 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:14am
788 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:19am

re: #781 loppyd

No need to duck, it's true.

I'll leave you with one:

"Shitting in tall cotton" is a euphemism for "good times" or "temporary fortune".

Ex:
Bubba is shitting in tall cotton now that he won the Lotto, but wait'll Betty Jean's lawyer finds out.

789 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:20am

re: #775 alegrias

* * *
Who says Taliban who can't fly...

Does the name Mohammed Atta ring any bells? Sure he was just an architect student from Hamburg, Germany.


Yeah, but they did not build the plane. They had to rely on Infidel technology. Islam is not real good at inovation.

790 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:36am

re: #745 loppyd
Nope, too honest!

791 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:44am

re: #785 WriterMom

LOL!

792 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #744 ContraJihadi

LGF spy won't scroll for me. I am using FF3, but it did scroll yesterday with FF3.

It is scrolling now. I allowed pop-ups for LGF.

793 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #776 opnion

How about , 'You need to HOME your skills"
Or, you need to 'Cut the mustard?"

Got you beat. She actually said:

"six in one a dozen in the other"

It was one of her favorite expressions.

794 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:50:17am

re: #789 opnion

Yeah, but they did not build the plane. They had to rely on Infidel technology. Islam is not real good at inovation.

He didn't get it off the ground or land the damned thing, either.

795 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:50:27am

re: #746 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, the more the MSM says Obama will win, the more those unlikely voters will stay home.
Good.


I remember in 2004 being told by the MSM that Kerry had it locked up, that Bush was done. Living and voting in California, I was convinced that that was true. Much to my shock (and glee), the next morning I awoke to another Bush (miracle) victory.

Don't lost heart this early in the election campaign. The closer we get to November, the better McCain will look to the average American voter. Even if the MSM tries to convince us otherwise.

796 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:50:40am

re: #789 opnion

But what about THE BUZZING PRAYER CARPET?

BEHEAD THOSE WHO BELITTLE ISLAMIC INNOVATION!

797 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:50:50am

re: #788 OldLineTexan

No need to duck, it's true.

I'll leave you with one:

"Shitting in tall cotton" is a euphemism for "good times" or "temporary fortune".

Ex:
Bubba is shitting in tall cotton now that he won the Lotto, but wait'll Betty Jean's lawyer finds out.

LOL

I wish I was shitting in tall cotton!

798 XMarine  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:51:14am

Sir, you are one lucky sod to have had the opportunity to do this. Thank you for the report.

Even better would be a few orbits, but ...

799 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:51:17am

re: #746 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, the more the MSM says Obama will win, the more those unlikely voters will stay home.
Good.

the msm doesn't even have a thin veneer of objectivity now.
after their exalted fool loses the election, they will go on abt. their ugly business of blatantly shilling for the next leftist jerk.
but the public is wising up to what these propagandists are all abt.
the more they lose their power the more outrageous are their lies and phony polls.

800 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:51:43am

re: #793 loppyd

Got you beat. She actually said:

"six in one a dozen in the other"

It was one of her favorite expressions.


Clearly a scholar.

801 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:51:53am

re: #784 lawhawk

There are some medical researchers who now believe that the appendix is anything but a vestigial organ, but plays some role in managing the flora of the intestines and/or lymphatic system.

Okay. Then the coccyx for supporting my, er, tail? My horribly badly-designed knees? The fact that pain - which is "supposed to be" a warning system for injury - can be so bad as to kill me, even when the underlying injury is not life-threatening? Etc.

802 mich-again  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:52:02am

re: #778 David Simon

Change in Iran will have to come from within. The people need our help, and we need them to be as disgusted with the regime as we are.

Agreed. And it seems that Ahmadinejad wants the US to attack Iran so that internal squabbling will end and the Iranians would unite against us. He has done all he can do to make us attack including funding the terrorists in Iraq that target our troops. We have been at war with Iran for years now, except only one side is fighting.

803 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:52:44am

re: #755 Occasional Reader


Not to mention that counterexamples of Not Terribly Intelligent Design abound. I have an appendix which can do nothing for me except get infected and, if not treated, kill me. Nothing very "elegant" about that.

None taken, I like to discuss this stuff. I would agree with your appendix argument at some levels, but I don't dismiss all evolution especially at the species level and I'm assuming that fits in there along with nubs of legs on snakes.

I don't believe it's a circular argument to ask whether the staggering number of things happening on a molecular level including the very speed of nuclear reactions allowing carbon atoms necessary to life to form is by design. Many non-Christian scientists are thinking it too as stated in the "multiverse" theory above.

804 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:52:53am

re: #796 WriterMom

But what about THE BUZZING PRAYER CARPET?

BEHEAD THOSE WHO BELITTLE ISLAMIC INNOVATION!


Well the Burqua? I gotta give em that

805 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:53:06am

re: #763 mich-again

Dang. Talking smack about Jackie Kennedy? You don't see that every day.

"Camelot". Sheee-it. "Came a lot", more like it.

806 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:53:11am

re: #786 Dar ul Harb

There's a more sophisticated name for that "duh".

The Anthropic Cosmological Principle.

You stick with your three-dollar book-learnin' words, I'll stick with "duh". Simple, easy to remember...

807 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:53:34am

re: #775 alegrias

Who says Taliban who can't fly...

Does the name Mohammed Atta ring any bells? Sure he was just an architect student from Hamburg, Germany.

"Fly? Yes.
Land? No."

808 faraway  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:53:46am

Meet The Press will surely wither away now. They have no reason to keep an objective person in there now. Must anoint the Messiah.

809 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:54:03am

re: #800 opnion

Clearly a scholar.

I could go on and on.

Needless to say it gave me great joy to refuse my exit interview with her.

810 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:55:54am
811 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:55:55am

re: #808 faraway

Meet The Press will surely wither away now. They have no reason to keep an objective person in there now. Must anoint the Messiah.


I hear Rosie O'Donnel is looking for a new gig. Matthews/Olbermann already gainfully employed.

812 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:56:12am

Hasta luego, lagartijas.

813 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:56:16am

N.Y. Times Iraq Reporter, Fresh From....The Tony Awards?

*sigh*

He'll probably write a book as a Middle East "expert."

Boker effen Tov.

814 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:56:38am

re: #809 loppyd

did she chase you out the door screaming, "you can't leave yet!"

815 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:57:21am

re: #813 Ben Hur

N.Y. Times Iraq Reporter, Fresh From....The Tony Awards?

*sigh*

He'll probably write a book as a Middle East "expert."

Boker effen Tov.

And like he could be worse than what they are already spewing out?

816 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:57:29am

Hope?... Obama Ex-con Supporter & Rezko Buddy Wants US Troops Dead ...BIG UPDATE!

More on the Obama-Rezko-Auchi-Alsammarae connection.

817 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:57:33am

re: #809 loppyd

I could go on and on.

Needless to say it gave me great joy to refuse my exit interview with her.

Bet that there was a part of you that wanted to show up & screw with her.
In the end though, it was probably more of an insult to blow her off.

818 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:57:36am

re: #595 haakondahl

haakondahl, that is a great post, and a subject I have been trying to learn more in depth.

I would suspect, this is why Iran stopped trading in dollars in favor of the Euro through its Oil Bourse.

Do you suggest any good opinion pieces out there?

819 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:58:12am

re: #809 loppyd

I had an exit interview once, and was asked if I had anything else to say. I paused, and then said "actually yes-all of the people that work in the X department think you are a colossal idiot". Then I said-thanks and left.

820 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:58:33am

re: #801 Occasional Reader

Okay. Then the coccyx for supporting my, er, tail? My horribly badly-designed knees? The fact that pain - which is "supposed to be" a warning system for injury - can be so bad as to kill me, even when the underlying injury is not life-threatening? Etc.

/ I'm not a doctor, but I play one on wiki

821 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:58:35am

re: #813 Ben Hur

Ben Hur...Ma hamatzav?

822 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:58:55am

re: #808 faraway

Meet The Press will surely wither away now. They have no reason to keep an objective person in there now. Must anoint the Messiah.

I think the suits at NBC are freaking out.


They have know they will lose all credibility if they try to replace him with the likes of Chrissy "Tingle" Matthews or the Olberdink. But if not one of them, then who? Andrea Mitchell? Yawn. David Gregory? Yawn. Brian Williams? Not likely.

They are up the creek. Watch Chris Wallace's numbers climb steadily.

823 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:59:01am

re: #813 Ben Hur

N.Y. Times Iraq Reporter, Fresh From....The Tony Awards?

*sigh*

He'll probably write a book as a Middle East "expert."

Boker effen Tov.

Thats the middle of the east side of Broadway I believe....

824 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:59:12am

re: #794 OldLineTexan

He didn't get it off the ground or land the damned thing, either.

If only the U.S. Government had subsidized his landing training, this would never of* happened!


* That "of" is for Loppyd and Opnion.

825 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:59:52am

Obama and Iraq

This is a thorough overview of Obama's connection to several shady Iraqis.

Must read.

826 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 7:59:59am

re: #778 David Simon

True, but there's a limit to what they'll take, and the mad mullahs know it.

Change in Iran will have to come from within. The people need our help, and we need them to be as disgusted with the regime as we are.

And the same people who want us to pull out of Iraq want us to encourage a revolt from within Iran. If we pull out of Iraq, it sends a message to the Iranians not to count on our help, which is the opposite of what they want.
Of course, the US has been pulling the football away from movements we supported since 1962.

827 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:00:31am

re: #820 lawhawk

LOL. I'll have to remember that line. LOLOL.

828 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:00:41am

BBIAW!

829 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:02am
830 opnion  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:08am

re: #816 Kenneth

Hope?... Obama Ex-con Supporter & Rezko Buddy Wants US Troops Dead ...BIG UPDATE!

More on the Obama-Rezko-Auchi-Alsammarae connection.


If Obama consorted with Satan, his lackey's would scream, "Guilt through Association."
Satan would the of couse get invited to sit with the ladies on 'The View"

831 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:14am

OK. I am getting no work done this morning.

But hopefully, I have entertained the lizard troops.

BBL.

832 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:18am

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

What causes gravity?

There is no gravity. The Earth sucks.

833 David Simon  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:20am

re: #802 mich-again

Agreed. And it seems that Ahmadinejad wants the US to attack Iran so that internal squabbling will end and the Iranians would unite against us. He has done all he can do to make us attack including funding the terrorists in Iraq that target our troops. We have been at war with Iran for years now, except only one side is fighting.

Could be. Or, he might really believe that he can get us to withdraw from Iraq, and then, he can create a greater Iran. (Madmen are always quixotic.)

834 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:01:45am

re: #819 WriterMom

I had an exit interview once, and was asked if I had anything else to say. I paused, and then said "actually yes-all of the people that work in the X department think you are a colossal idiot". Then I said-thanks and left.

ROFL! I love it!

I did say yes to my exit interview with her boss. During the exit interview she said to me, "[manager] thinks you don't want to do the exit interview with her because you don't like her. Is this true?" I had to be honest. :~)

Oh did I mention she longer has any direct reports?

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

835 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:02:59am
This moves the timeline for Rezko and Obama back to 1990, with Rezko noticing an article on Harvard Law Review under Obama. Even when not taking a job with Rezmar, Obama would work out of his office at the Davis law firm on Rezmar cases. It is in 1995 that Rezko both pushes for Blagojevich to go for higher office and starts raising money for Barack Obama, as seen in my previous article on Obama's early campaigns.

By this point Rezko had already teamed up with Daniel Mahru and was running not only Rezmar but a slowly building web of contacts in politics. What isn't mentioned so often is that Jabir Herbert Muhammad, son of Nation of Islam's Elijah Mohammad, would first sign most of Crucial Concessions which he started in the 1970's over to Rezko and then become a front-man for him,

836 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:03:30am

re: #822 loppyd

Watch Chris Wallace's numbers climb steadily.

Not with me, I've given up on Wallace, he's just dumb.

837 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:03:38am

re: #822 loppyd

I think the suits at NBC are freaking out.


They have know they will lose all credibility if they try to replace him with the likes of Chrissy "Tingle" Matthews or the Olberdink. But if not one of them, then who? Andrea Mitchell? Yawn. David Gregory? Yawn. Brian Williams? Not likely.

They are up the creek. Watch Chris Wallace's numbers climb steadily.


Maybe they'll do the rotating thing, trying out all of them for awhile. I think you're right, however, ultimately they'll end up either recruiting from another network (CNN, Fox), or just fold 'em. Wolf Blitzer? Maybe...

838 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:05:20am

re: #825 Kenneth

Obama and Iraq

This is a thorough overview of Obama's connection to several shady Iraqis.

Must read.

Rezkowatch has been keeping pretty good track of this as well. It's been a daily read for me, and where I find some of my more interesting links.

839 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:05:42am

re: #818 formercorpsman

haakondahl, that is a great post, and a subject I have been trying to learn more in depth.

I would suspect, this is why Iran stopped trading in dollars in favor of the Euro through its Oil Bourse.

Do you suggest any good opinion pieces out there?

Sorry, wish I did have some info. It seems that any time you try to dig into fundamentals, you either get macro-economic gibberish or the anti-semitic conspiracies of the raving and drooling Kos/Obama crowd.

840 Charles  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:06:43am

re: #765 lawhawk

I consider one of the most thoughtful examinations of that whole issue was done a while back by none other than Carl Sagan in his series Cosmos. I know that some will question his treatment of evolution as a foregone conclusion, but he does point to the science behind the creation of amino acids and proteins that form the building blocks of all life as we know it. It's how we get from those clumps of matter to sentient life that continues to represent a stumbling block.

He raises profound questions and issues, which is reason enough to watch (and The Science Channel has recently rereleased the series with updated animations too).

Look out there -- Carl Sagan is demonized by the creationists nearly as much as Charles Darwin.

841 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:09:14am

re: #808 faraway

Meet The Press will surely wither away now.


Press the Meet

842 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:09:46am

re: #821 WriterMom


Manyanim Capara?

I owe you an email.

843 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:10:01am

re: #840 Charles

Look out there -- Carl Sagan is demonized by the creationists nearly as much as Charles Darwin.

I was once suspended from a baptist school over Carl Sagan.

Long story short--I challenged a "science" test in which I had answered (correctly) that Pluto did have a moon--the test key said that was, er, incorrect. I said, "yes it does, it is roughly a quarter to half the mass of Pluto, it is composed of methane and ammonia ice, it was discovered in 1959 at the Percival Lowell observatory, and its name is Charon".

Now, I'm not sure how much of that was correct, but I do recall quite clearly that when asked to produce a source, I returned the next day with COSMOS. I didn't return for a week after that.

844 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:10:34am

re: #840 Charles


Look out there -- Carl Sagan is demonized by the creationists nearly as much as Charles Darwin.

Morning, Charles. I believe you'll find that us "creationists" make up a wider spectrum than you appreciate, including the 2 ivy-league Phd.s I mentioned above. Most are not demonizing anyone (well, maybe Mo).

845 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:10:56am
846 loppyd  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:12:27am

re: #837 Golem Akbar

Maybe they'll do the rotating thing, trying out all of them for awhile. I think you're right, however, ultimately they'll end up either recruiting from another network (CNN, Fox), or just fold 'em. Wolf Blitzer? Maybe...

The problem is they have no rising star.

848 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:13:20am

re: #845 taxfreekiller

let there be light
let it move at 586,000 miles per second
let it make rainbows
so it was to be in the eye of the beholder

I'm only getting 186,000 miles per second out of my light.

BIG ALMIGHTY IS RIPPING US OFF!

849 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:13:22am

re: #94 Cognito

I may be the only reader who feels this way, Charles, but this particular criticism seems to be tipping toward gratuitousness.

There must be a million other philosophies out there deserving attention, as well.

I agree. What a snide little comment. Can we please get off the ID stuff for awhile?

850 Charles  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:14:16am

re: #849 Cygnus

I agree. What a snide little comment. Can we please get off the ID stuff for awhile?

So you like the snide comments when they agree with you, but bash me when they don't? Typical.

851 Charles  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:14:53am

And with probably the 200th comment telling me to stop posting about this issue, I'll repeat myself: no.

852 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:15:21am

re: #846 loppyd

The problem is they have no rising star.

NBC has an award-winnign show in a prime slot with no anchor. If only there were a spare network news anchor out there, just *aching* for some way to get back into the studio glare...

He's tanned. He's rested. He's ready.

The Dan.

853 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:15:26am
854 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:17:33am

re: #853 taxfreekiller

oops sllllllooooowwww down

186,000 miles per second

TFK Slows Light Without Laboratory! Dude. Your phone is about to ring.

855 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:17:46am

re: #852 haakondahl

NBC has an award-winnign show in a prime slot with no anchor. If only there were a spare network news anchor out there, just *aching* for some way to get back into the studio glare...

He's tanned. He's rested. He's ready.

The Dan.

I see throbbing memos in his future if he does.

856 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:19:21am

Cygnus--I dinged you down. And I rarely ding either way. Please carry that down-ding back to cognito, whom I accidentally up-dinged for the same comment. These things are harder to use than a Florida ballot in a hotly contested county!

Thank you.

857 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:20:58am

re: #855 Honorary Yooper

I see throbbing memos in his future if he does.

Can just see Les Moonves scratching his head in mock confusion at a press conference--"Gosh--everytime I shit-can a guy, he pops up at NBC. What gives?"

858 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:23:37am

Gun, ammunition confiscated from air passenger

A man was arrested at the Calgary International Airport Tuesday after a handgun was detected in his carry-on luggage.

Security officers in a pre-boarding screening area at concourse D noticed the gun inside the luggage and alerted police just after noon Tuesday.

Police arrested the man without incident and seized an unloaded, small calibre handgun and several rounds of ammunition from the bag, said Calgary police. They believe the man was flying to Saskatoon.

Ziad Mohamad Jeha, 30, of Calgary, has been charged with possession of a weapon dangerous to the public peace, possession of a concealed weapon, possession of a weapon without a permit and possession of a restricted weapon with readily accessible ammunition.

Calgary police said the suspect is known to them.

859 zmdavid  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 8:25:02am <