Thank god, I was running out of tact.

“If I am elected president, I will set this nation on a course to building 45 new reactors by the year 2030, with the ultimate goal of 100 new plants to power the homes and factories and cities of America,” he said.

So introduce the legislation tomorrow

Good for him.

More nuclear power...

More Nukes. Less Kooks

A nuke in every garage.

Ah- the evolution of American Energy policy.

re: #2 Shug

So introduce the legislation tomorrow

If only it were that easy.

Springfield? The Simpsons live there.

That's nice but I still want to see Geosynchronous Power Satellites too.

Well, that'll take care of Al Gore's house; what about the rest of us?

re: #8 snowcrash

Springfield? The Simpsons live there.

So did the Andersons of Father Knows Best.

Good for it, John S.!

FOR SCIENCE!

But...but...doesn't this conflict with his mankind-is-killing-the-earth stance?

re: #10 jaunte

Well, that'll take care of Al Gore's house; what about the rest of us?

Wind power!

re: #7 psyop

If only it were that easy.

exactly.

From Things 1101 Through 1125 That Mr. Welch is not allowed to do in a roleplaying game:

[Link: theglen.livejournal.com...]

1101. I will not cut the vault guards in on the haul instead of fighting them.

1103. Just because I was paid in advance doesn’t mean I can let the incompetent expedition leader die.

1104. There is a limit to how much innuendo I can fit into one combat round.

1107. I will not attempt to clear out the dungeon using only Bangalore torpedoes.

1108. Picking his pocket means more than just turning him upside down and shaking him vigorously.

1113. I will not shoot vampires in the chest with a large pistol just so they have to explain the embarrassing sucking chest wound.

1114. I will not take a phobia of anything that doesn’t exist in the game world.

1117. Can’t strangle a werewolf with a roll of Kodak film, no matter what we all know it’s made out of.

1118. In the middle of a black ops I will not use up all the claymores just because I don’t want to take them back with me.

1119. I cannot have my mercy surgically removed.

1120. Even if I’m in charge I can’t order the Assault Lance to perform West Side Story dance routines.

1123. In the middle of a black ops I can’t call my girlfriend to remind her to pick up some Chinese on her way home.

1124. I will leave out mating rituals when presenting a cultural exchange with diplomatic ambassadors.

1125. Letting the Red Shirt guard the plane is really frowned upon as it doesn’t leave anybody to sacrifice to the Shoggoths.

Will Hanoi Jane now leave this country to live in one more suitable for her lifestyle, perhaps either Vietnam or North Korea?

re: #6 Sharmuta

Ah- the evolution of American Energy policy.

And the evolution of John McCain.

re: #15 psyop

Wind power!

...blows.

re: #8 snowcrash

Springfield? The Simpsons live there.

"Nucular, Lisa. It's pronounced 'Nucular.'"

Eff Yeah.

re: #19 DesertSage

Unlike most of these idiots, McCain can learn and grow.

re: #18 Olderthandirt

Will Hanoi Jane now leave this country to live in one more suitable for her lifestyle, perhaps either Vietnam or North Korea?

Nah. She'll get a facelift. She's looking for lovin'...

Can't live with it, can't live without it:

Evolution Sea Cruise

re: #14 Cartman

But...but...doesn't this conflict with his mankind-is-killing-the-earth stance?

No, it actually uses some of the co2 crap as part of the argument for nuclear. As in, nuke plants don't release carbon dioxide, so more is better.

Brilliant, if you think about it.

re: #19 DesertSage

And the evolution of John McCain.

It was predictable....and now he'll be put to the test. ;)

re: #23 MikeySDCA

Unlike most of these idiots, McCain can learn and grow.

But will he become a Lizard?

re: #9 The Other Les

That's nice but I still want to see Geosynchronous Power Satellites too.

And I want to see Al Gore on the moon. Maybe Mars.

re: #20 jaunte

...blows.

...in a good way?

re: #28 The Other Les

Patience.

If the French can do nuclear energy safely, the U.S. should be able to do it safely as well.

Drill now.
Build new nuke plants.
Become energy independent.
Screw the jihadis.

That sounds great for the Necular Power but is McCain pandering like Obama
This is going to a strange november

re: #33 shibumi

If the French can do nuclear energy safely, the U.S. should be able to do it safely as well.

Drill now.
Build new nuke plants.
Become energy independent.
Screw the jihadis.

Second!

Jane Fonda Has Nightmares

Hanoi Jane is getting what she deserves for posing on top of NVA tanks while McCain was getting his teeth knocked out.
_{Disclaimer: I have no idea if these two events actually happened at the same time}

So long as we get to keep any mutated frogs as neighborhood mascots, they can build an Integral Fast Reactor right down the street from my house if it'll reduce our dependence on foreign oil, or oil in general.

~S~

Watch what the Donks will do next...threaten to Nationalize the Nuclear Power Industry!

/GD_Demo☭RATS!

re: #29 HelloDare

And I want to see Al Gore on the moon. Maybe Mars.

Pluto!

Save Mars for the rest of us!

Science Uber Allis
/fascist

re: #33 shibumi

Yes!

re: #32 Desert Dog

I propose we put Hanoi Jane in a jet fighter and let John McCain shoot her down with a 1960's Soviet vintage AA cannon.....

Like this one

re: #18 Olderthandirt

Will Hanoi Jane now leave this country to live in one more suitable for her lifestyle, perhaps either Vietnam or North Korea?

or a safe nuke free nation like France

oh wait

re: #30 psyop

I think the premise would be good if we were much richer and had a much smaller population, but as things stand it's a net energy sink to make people feel like they're doing something 'sustainable.'

There goes the hippie vote.

Seriously, get the Yucca Mountain waste depository up and running; we can't leave spent fuel rods in the water ponds at every reactor, it is way too big a security risk.

re: #24 The Other Les

I can only now contemplate her without foaming at the mouth.

SEA 1967-1975 Aircraft Armament Systems

re: #43 jaunte

I think the premise would be good if we were much richer and had a much smaller population, but as things stand it's a net energy sink to make people feel like they're doing something 'sustainable.'

As long as the wind farms aren't anywhere near where members of congress live...

Jane Fonda Has Nightmares

Anything we can do to get Susan Sarandon off to Canada and Jane Fonda having nightmares is so worth it.

if elected president

But if he stays a Senator, all bets are off I bet.

re: #44 Ojoe

Thank you very much for raising the main problem.

France has 59.

re: #49 MikeySDCA

That's a HUGE problem

But problems are not much discussed by politicians

re: #49 MikeySDCA

And, you are welcome.

re: #15 psyop

re: #10 jaunte

If we could get Gore to open his pie hole for about half a minute per minute on how he invented the internet and deserves 45 reactors all to himself, we'd get all the hurricane-strength hot air we'd need for those turbines right there.

Win-win.

re: #50 azcon

France has 59.

More important than the number of reactors is the percentage of power by consumption of the nation.

France, somewhere near 80, the U.S. somewhere near 20.

I love all these promises guys make about getting things done over 25 years. Over 50 years.

'we're gonna save 2 trillion over 10 years", (with 9.9 trillion saved in the 10th year )

I call Bullshit.

re: #34 tblot

This is going to a strange november

It's been a strange election season so far IMHO.

re: #54 psyop

And, they are much more stylish and posh than ours too

Speaking of Jane Fonda, here's a classic cut from her ex-hubby Ted Turner on Kim Jung Il.

At least now there is one reason to vote for him...well maybe...right?

Anyone?

re: #51 Ojoe

True. It's the biggest problem, because it lasts close enough to forever.

I wonder if Donald Sutherland still has nightmares.

re: #57 Desert Dog

And, they are much more stylish and posh than ours too

Well, they are French, after all....

re: #59 Gordan the Fisherman

I will vote for him.

And then, they need to bring us a nuclear SUV.

The 2012 Ford Armageddon.

re: #64 George guy

And then, they need to bring us a nuclear SUV.

The 2012 Ford Armageddon.

Not for sale in Iran.

re: #61 MandyManners

I wonder if Donald Sutherland still has nightmares.

No, he's a far lefty, too.

re: #55 Shug

I call Bullshit.

Nice call.

re: #64 George guy

And then, they need to bring us a nuclear SUV.

The 2012 Ford Armageddon.

Like their pinto I don't want to rear end that car

re: #65 Seraphym

Not for sale in Iran.

made in Iran, but for export only to the US

re: #45 FamHistoryGuy

I can only now contemplate her without foaming at the mouth.

SEA 1967-1975 Aircraft Armament Systems

The only time ever I heard by Dad utter the "C" word, it was directed at Hanoi Jane. At first, I was shocked, as Pop was not one prone to profanity. He despised her, as do I. Like Father, like Son I guess.

Well, this is all very good and well, but it isn't going to put gas in my tank or in the tank of the semi-trucks and airplanes, since we don't burn oil for electricity. There has to be a comparable push by industry to develop electric or hybrid engines that are a hell of a lot better than now. Although, maybe it could reduce the cost of electricity enough to make hydrogen fuel cells more attractive.

If he wants to make this a truly helpful plan, he needs to introduce a companion package of incentives to spur research, too.

We don't have a problem securing electricity. We have a problem getting oil.

re: #65 Seraphym

Not for sale in Iran.

Why not? All the Blackwater employees are going to want one when they're over there.

McCain Proposes Nuclear Power

C'mon Johnny, get angry.

Now THAT I can vote for!

Finally! Someone with a little sense. Now just drill off shore too.

re: #69 Desert Dog

made in Iran, but for export only to the US

In that case, it better be an SSTAR.

re: #71 angst

Sorry, but where I live, our electricity mostly comes from oil.

re: #75 Seraphym

In that case, it better be an SSTAR.

I believe that will come standard with each "Armageddon"

The Barackracy will never allow it.
Turn your thermostat up or down accordingly.
Ride a bike (insert air here).
Ratchet your life back for the good of the world.

Fuck that. Build 400 of 'em.

re: #71 angst

Well, this is all very good and well, but it isn't going to put gas in my tank or in the tank of the semi-trucks and airplanes, since we don't burn oil for electricity.

The point of nuclear is not transportation.

We use energy for everything, like the computer you are looking at right now. If oil could be removed from everything BUT transportation, it would save hundreds of millions of barrels of oil.

Suddenly, we wouldn't be dependent on anyone else for our energy....

So, why is Jane Fonda not in Prison or dead for treason?

The 823 billion kilowatt-hours of nuclear electricity generated in the United States during 2006 was more than the nation’s entire electrical output in the early 1960s.

Opiliofact™

re: #60 MikeySDCA

Well also it is a problem because our bodies incorporate elements and molecules into our biological systems based on the surface characteristics of the atoms; we cannot detect a difference in an isotope, so there is no way to prevent the uptake of radioactive stuff; and some of it accumulates up the food chain.

It is a tricky business keeping the long-lived nuclear wastes out of the biosphere, and if we are not very good at it, future generations may curse the memory of us.

That's all I'm going to say on this.

re: #80 mattm

So, why is Jane Fonda not in Prison or dead for treason?

The same reason HE has not be jailed

re: #71 angst

Well, this is all very good and well, but it isn't going to put gas in my tank or in the tank of the semi-trucks and airplanes, since we don't burn oil for electricity. There has to be a comparable push by industry to develop electric or hybrid engines that are a hell of a lot better than now. Although, maybe it could reduce the cost of electricity enough to make hydrogen fuel cells more attractive.

If he wants to make this a truly helpful plan, he needs to introduce a companion package of incentives to spur research, too.

We don't have a problem securing electricity. We have a problem getting oil.

Yes, we do. We burn ALOT of oil to make electricity...

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist."

~ Jane Fonda - 1970

re: #64 George guy

And then, they need to bring us a nuclear SUV.

The 2012 Ford Armageddon.

How about the Ford Nucleon?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

From IBD:

Nine GOP senators asked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to delay consideration of a major housing rescue bill, citing “recent allegations related to Countrywide Financial.” Several Democratic lawmakers have admitted getting home loans with help from Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo, though they claim they received no special treatment.

/hey, I always contact the CEO of the lender when I need a home loan, don't you?

At least he is not telling us to go shiver in the dark like the Dems.

re: #55 Shug

"First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth."

re: #80 mattm

If they bust her, they have to bust half of the democrat party.]
Whose gonna run the post offices if they are all in the pen?

I am amazed today at the dem response to Bush's call to drill for american oil. Basically the crickets chirping drown out any substantive comment.

wow.

Do we take a woman who shamelessly courted wet dreams as an authority on nightmares?

[Link: www.berting.nl...]

Do we take a woman who shamelessly courted wet dreams AND consorted with enemies in a time of war as an authority on nightmares?

[Link: www.wellesley.edu...]

Do we take a woman who shamelessly courted wet dreams AND consorted with enemies in a time of war AND married one of the founders of SDS and inspirations of the Weathermen as an authority on nightmares?

[Link: www.wellesley.edu...]

She may not know a nightmare from a wet dream, but it sure looks like she and those like her are a nightmare for anyone with any shred of decency and commonsense.

The left always wants us to model ourselves after Europeans, so McCain can go nuclear and the left will like him.

Oh, wait. Since McCain is a conservative, the left will accuse him of being in the pocket of "Big Nukes."

So let's nuke the polar bears.

re: #82 Ojoe

Your knowledge of the subject is much greater that mine. I just know enough to bet stark scared.

When one melts down, remember to just Duck and Cover

re: #80 mattm

So, why is Jane Fonda not in Prison or dead for treason?

Ask President Nixon. She did her thing on his watch.

This is one of my long standing complaints about the Republican Party, that they were soft on treason.

re: #89 Noam Sayin'

They don't make them like that any more.

Only 45 nuclear plants? Ah well, baby steps. Twenty-three years is a long time.

There have been a few of interesting developments.

1. Fail-safe nuclear reactors.

2. A proposed scheme for fast-neutron reactors that can burn high-level nuclear waste for fuel. Nearly 100% of the uranium eventually gets burned, including all the uranium 238.

3. Direct thermal conversion schemes for separating water into hydrogen and oxygen -- thermodynamic efficiency could approach 75%. No electrolysis, just heat and chemistry. Instead of converting heat to electricity at 30% thermal efficiency and then electrolyzing water, just use the heat directly.

Keep in mind, the shit has not really hit the fan yet in terms of energy supplies. You ain't seen noting yet. If alternatives are not available, it will get done.

re: #76 MikeySDCA

Sorry, but where I live, our electricity mostly comes from oil.

Where is that? I have a lot of low-sulfur coal I can hook you up with!
Seriously, the majority of our electricity comes from coal, hydro, wind, etc. I'm not saying that the nuke plants are worthless, just that they aren't going to give us energy independence.

re: #85 DesertSage

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist."

~ Jane Fonda - 1970

Ah, the words of a woman made rich from capatalist pigs who paid to see her movies.

re: #92 rwmofo

I've always advocated nuking the gay whales.

The dems want to nationalize the oil industry? what's up with that?
I mean, the same crowd that runs such sterling services as the post office and social security?

re: #74 Banner

Now just drill off shore too.

Not expected to be a significant source of oil or impact on prices:

[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

I concur with Sen. McCain - we need to greatly increase our electricity generation to deal with mitigating any loss of imported oil.

re: #77 Desert Dog

I believe that will come standard with each "Armageddon"

Do the Iranian-made Ford "Armageddons" come with little Hidden Imam-approved Blu-Ray Screens? Wouldn't be an Iranian Armageddon without the 12^th!

So long as the that friggin' Imam didn't bug me 5 times a day to pray, it sounds like a fun family-trip car. Millions of miles on a single fuel fill-up!

re: #85 DesertSage

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist."

~ Jane Fonda - 1970

No.

If everyone understood what Communism was, the Communists would be hunted down and exterminated.

re: #86 The Other Les

How about the Ford Nucleon?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Our cultural demands have changed since the '50s.

re: #93 MikeySDCA

Nuclear power is a Faustian bargain in the long run if you ask me.

If you asked me to do right by my children and their possible descendants, I'd cut back on energy use and drill for more oil, and use more coal, and develop solar, before I'd build another nuke plant.

Nuclear engineering continuously advances.

Yet NIMBY will crush it in the America we live in. No matter how bravely John McCain leads.

To go nuclear we must master efficient distribution.

Then we can build all of em in North Dakota.

/No disrespect to ND. 'Nuke City' would generate gazillions in local revenue...

re: #87 Killian Bundy

My guess is that the MSM researchers are furiously combing through any records they can find on Republicans ONLY in order to make this a bipartisan issue. If they can bring in just ONE Republican, objective met.

re: #66 HelloDare

No, he's a far lefty, too.

Really?

The Ford Nucleon

Found
On
Road
Decaying

re: #98 angst

Don't be an idiot. I'm in San Diego, CA. Look at a map and consider what it would take to get the coal here.

We have a nuke plant at San Onofre, but I'am at the south end of the county, and we have an oil-fired plant as our primary source.

re: #106 experiencedtraveller

Maybe we need to so something about NIMBY's.

As I recall in that movie, Hanoi Jane and her lunatic costar Jack Lemmon conjectured that the melting core would burn down through the earth to China, then reverse and continue to bounce through the earth's mantle until our dear planet was little more than swiss cheese.

Moonbattery never changes.

re: #102 Seraphym

What about the plastic mohammeds on the dashboard? with bobble-turbans and a 9 year old "wife" kneeling in front....

you get the picture.

Hey, anyone know a plastics manufacturer? I might just get a patent on that !

According to the DOE, 1.6% of our electricity comes from oil. Scroll down for graph.

Like I said, we need to figure out how to replace gasoline with electricity for this to help much.

re: #109 Shug

The Ford Nucleon

Found
On
Road
Decaying

LOL!

re: #85 DesertSage

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist."

~ Jane Fonda - 1970

I'll never forget the dinner when I told my folks that I admired Jane Fonda.

re: #105 Ojoe

"Cut back on energy use" is easy to say, but nobody seems to have an ideas about how to do that which would inconvenience themselves. Myself included.

re: #112 The Other Les

Maybe we need to so something about NIMBY's.

Throw em on the grill?

re: #111 MikeySDCA

Don't be an idiot. I'm in San Diego, CA. Look at a map and consider what it would take to get the coal here.

We have a nuke plant at San Onofre, but I'am at the south end of the county, and we have an oil-fired plant as our primary source.

I'm not an idiot. Look at my last post. I used to live in San Diego, btw, I hope to make it back for a class reunion this fall.

re: #113 really grumpy big dog Johnson

And as I recall, didn't that movie come out just before Three Mile Island?

Nuclear plants making gigawatts of electricity to enable the hydrogen economy and then we can all drive fuel cell electric cars and tell the oil ticks to suck it. I am down with that! They can even put one in my backyard.

Huh. I posted that story in the spinoff links on I think the prior thread earlier this evening and didn't see any mention of Jane Fonda nor did I see any mention of Hanoi Jane in the aricle Charles linked to.
But my reaction is still the same - 45 additional nuke reactors would be nice, but there are 104 nuke plants already in operation and they ONLY supply 20% of our electrical energy and McCain is talking about increasing the number of reactors by barely 40% over a 22 year timetable.
It's not enough.
It's not soon enough.
For cryin' out loud FRANCE produces over 70% of it's electrical power with nuke reactors, why can't we AT LEAST match the French and sooner than in 22 years?
Mind you, I'm glad McCain has awakened to the energy independance problem, what with this and off -shore drilling but this is all gonna take too long and at the end of the day still leave us energy dependant on foreign supplies.
Crap.

re: #114 sojerofgod

sorta been done already

re: #117 MandyManners

I'll never forget the dinner when I told my folks that I admired Jane Fonda.

I liked her in Barbarella.

Alternative Energy Source:

1) Convert a treadmill into a power generator.
2) Put Michael Moore on the treadmill and dangle a pizza in front of him.

re: #125 DesertSage

I liked her in Barbarella.

I liked when they cut her

Fonda is the nightmare of this country! She is evil and should be ignored. Build Johnny boy, BUILD!

Jane Fonda has nightmares? What the sale of Hanoi Jane Fonda urinal targets going up again?

re: #118 MikeySDCA

Cut back on energy use.... is tantamount to saying collapse the economy, destroy the middle class. make citizens into serfs, and no talking about me flying my friends over to play a game of pickup roundball.

The rich don't give a damn how much it cost to fill the limo.

The poor don't exist to them except as an abstract, to get out the check book for.

The middle class are a threat.

Nothing ever changes since the dawn of time.

re: #118 MikeySDCA

At the rate we are preparing for the future it seems we will all be cutting back somewhat.

BBL

re: #115 angst

According to the DOE, 1.6% of our electricity comes from oil. Scroll down for graph.

Like I said, we need to figure out how to replace gasoline with electricity for this to help much.

Use the additional power from nukes (and big solar panel farms) to convert coal into synthetic fuels.

One thing I've noticed in reading The Strategy Page over the last couple of years is that our Air Force has been testing synthetic jet fuel on combat aircraft. (Think they may be planning something?)

I grew up not too far from this power plant.

re: #121 solomonpanting
Just after, IIRC. Like the same week.

re: #115 angst

However, as Boone Pickens likes to point out (see his testimony to the Senate two days ago, found via CSPAN), a great deal of natural gas goes into electricity.

Natural gas can be used to power vehicles (and yes, Pickens has a company that does just that....)

Moving electricity generation away from natural gas would free up that natural gas for transportation uses.

Personally I prefer sticking with liquid fuel + hybrid cars as a transitionary step, rather than go to natural gas as a transition phase, simply due to logistics.

Anyway, the point of McCain's proposal is that energy will be needed, more energy to make up for any loss of imported oil. One way of doing that is through nukes.

re: #124 Ojoe

Aw, shucks. all the good idears been tooken already!

re: #115 angst

...we need to figure out how to replace gasoline with electricity for this to help much.

My Vote

Now, about that MSRP....

The phone calls to Congress are having an impact. Keep dialing.

We have got to make our Representatives know that this election year they work FOR us....or they are out of a job.

re: #125 DesertSage

I liked her in Barbarella.

I didn't know about that.

re: #126 rwmofo

Alternative Energy Source:

1) Convert a treadmill into a power generator.
2) Put Michael Moore on the treadmill and dangle a pizza in front of him.

Unfortunately, the energy needed to power a treadmill for Moore would require more than the output produced.

If communism's so awesome, why do so many people die get murdered under it?

re: #123 realwest

Huh. I posted that story in the spinoff links on I think the prior thread earlier this evening and didn't see any mention of Jane Fonda nor did I see any mention of Hanoi Jane in the aricle Charles linked to.

The Jane Fonda reference is just some levity by Charles, because of her anti-nuke stance she's taken in the past. Remember The China Syndrome?

Anything that gives Jane Fonda nightmares, fits, apoplexy, shingles , hives, or foaming at the mouth I am for it.

McCain just got my vote.

re: #125 DesertSage

I liked her in 'Cat Ballou'.

re: #131 Ojoe

We will all most likely be cutting back very much indeed on everything. Welcome to 1932.

re: #125 DesertSage

I liked her in Barbarella.

Barbarella was the only Jane Fonda movie I ever paid money to see in a theater (Uptown, Minneapolis). It predated the trip to Hanoi so I thought it would be okay, ethically speaking. It was double-billed with The Man Who Fell To Earth so the I didn't completely waste my money.

re: #121 solomonpanting

And as I recall, didn't that movie come out just before Three Mile Island?

Just before.

Three Mile Island never created a major radiation release, btw.

re: #125 DesertSage

I liked her in Barbarella

Not for the acting...for the outfit, no doubt.

re: #143 pingjockey

Anything that gives Jane Fonda nightmares, fits, apoplexy, shingles , hives, or foaming at the mouth I am for it.

She is a has-been.

GEORGE SOROS.

re: #141 Wookieelips

If communism's so awesome, why do so many people die get murdered under it?

For ideological reasons, of course.

re: #55 Shug

I love all these promises guys make about getting things done over 25 years. Over 50 years.

'we're gonna save 2 trillion over 10 years", (with 9.9 trillion saved in the 10th year )

I call Bullshit.

Bingo, unless McCain is planning on overturning the Constitution and serving 6 terms as PoTUS until he's 94 years old this promise is meaningless.

re: #108 MandyManners

Really?

DONALD SUTHERLAND, "Commander-In-Chief" star, said in an interview with the BBC that President Bush "will destroy our lives!'' The 70-year-old actor choked back tears as he ripped apart the Bush administration for the Iraq war and the slow response to Hurricane Katrina. "They were inept . . . they were insulting . . . They do not care about Iraqi people. They do not care about the families of dead soldiers. They only care about profit.''

re: #118 MikeySDCA

"Cut back on energy use" is easy to say, but nobody seems to have an ideas about how to do that which would inconvenience themselves. Myself included.

1) Make all the thousands of municipalities across the country time the stoplights to keep traffic flowing, increasing all our vehicles' fuel economy. That would be easy to do.

2) Get rid of the idiotic "drive through" bank, restaurant, etc. Park your car and walk your fat ass inside and wait instead.

3) Require all road construction projects to devise sensible traffic flow plans. This could be relatively easy to do, but right now, the people who do road construction projects obviously don't give a flying f* about the massive traffic problems they cause.

4) $4.00 per gallon will also nudge people to reduce consumption. We are already seeing that. People who used to commute every day in pickups and SUV's are buying cars that get much better mileage.

Why is america the only country in the world not allowed nuclear power?

Why is america not allowed any new refineries? Or offshore drilling.

re: #148 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Just before.

Three Mile Island never created a major radiation release, btw.

Yep. But the media frenzy projected doom and gloom, as it is wont to do.

re: #150 MandyManners
Same type of idiot lefty. Jane can still get TV time though, so I still stand by giving her fits, along with Alec Baldwin, Mr. & Mrs. Susan Saranwrap, Babs, etc....

re: #150 MandyManners

She is an old hag.

She got her chops in barbarella becus she floated around nekkide in the opening title (tit-le?) sequence. other than that her acting was wooden and all she had going for her was her daddy's name and her bod.
Gravity has taken care of that.

re: #145 newsjunkie_ky

Yes, indeed! Brilliant! The greatest movie ever made!

Here is the CSPAN video from the Senate committee regarding electricity transmission, from June 17:

rtsp[Link: video1.c-span.org...]

Pick up Boone Picken's comments around the :17, :46, :55, 1:00, 1:13, 1:15, and 1:18 marks in the video (there are other panel memebers speaking at other times.)

Again, kudos to McCain for seeing that we need to increase our electricity generation through non-fossil fuel means.

re: #115 angst

According to the DOE, 1.6% of our electricity comes from oil. Scroll down for graph.

Like I said, we need to figure out how to replace gasoline with electricity for this to help much.

Do you not understand how non-oil energy that we could produce would affect transportation?

Most of our trans power comes from oil. See here.

Now, imagine if the fuel cell car already in production, the electric cars and buses used by many people and local municipalities, had a cheap, locally produced source of electricity to recharge?

You were certainly correct (and I overstated) about how much electricity is produced from oil, but if we have cheap, locally produced energy of ANY kind (and nuclear is something we can do with NO international help), it will have a ripple effect across the whole spectrum of energy usage.

re: #153 HelloDare

DONALD SUTHERLAND, "Commander-In-Chief" star, said in an interview with the BBC that President Bush "will destroy our lives!'' The 70-year-old actor choked back tears as he ripped apart the Bush administration for the Iraq war and the slow response to Hurricane Katrina. "They were inept . . . they were insulting . . . They do not care about Iraqi people. They do not care about the families of dead soldiers. They only care about profit.''

Addendum.

re: #135 freetoken

Don't forget heating oil. Its common in the Northeast to heat your home with #2 heating oil -- essentially diesel fuel. If we could move those homes to cheap natural gas it should free up quite a bit of oil for transportation.

re: #155 pegcity

Why is america the only country in the world not allowed nuclear power?

Why is america not allowed any new refineries? Or offshore drilling.

Dino-saurs.

re: #141 Wookieelips

"If communism's so awesome, why do so many people die get murdered under it?"

The official party line among western commies, academics, members of the media etc is: "That wasn't real communism that the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans etc had. Only us clever commies in the west know how to do real communism. When we get OUR chance at a communist revolution it really will be heaven on earth."

It's basically racism at work. Western communists basically say the Russians and Chinese were too stupid to do communism right.

re: #148 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Just before.

Three Mile Island never created a major radiation release, btw.

According to this 'the china syndrome' came out 12 days before Three Mile Island incident.

re: #126 rwmofo

Alternative Energy Source:

1) Convert a treadmill into a power generator.
2) Put Michael Moore on the treadmill and dangle a pizza in front of him.

I say that prisons should be filled with exercise bikes hooked up to small electric generators. F* that weight lifting and milling around the prison yard. Son, you owe me a KW-hour if you want to eat!

re: #100 sojerofgod

I've always advocated nuking the gay whales.

One of my favorite bumper stickers! I believe the full text is "Nuke unborn gay whales for Christ". My all time favorite was one a friend had in college. His brother went to the Colorado School of Mines. It was a silhouette of a bulldozer flattening mountains with the phrase "Strip mining prevents forrest fires".

re: #160 freetoken

Let's try that link again, this time in quotes, to see if Charles software won't eat it:

"rtsp[Link: video1.c-span.org...]

re: #150 MandyManners

She is a dead issue, and would truly be so if out-of-date right-wingers did not froth at the mouth every time she is mentioned.

re: #155 pegcity

Why is america the only country in the world not allowed nuclear power?

Why is america not allowed any new refineries? Or offshore drilling.

Because we have the democrat party.

re: #164 stevieray

Don't forget heating oil. Its common in the Northeast to heat your home with #2 heating oil -- essentially diesel fuel. If we could move those homes to cheap natural gas it should free up quite a bit of oil for transportation.

Or five times cheaper nuclear power.

re: #137 Seraphym

My Vote

Now, about that MSRP....

Oh, sweet. I so want a Tesla!

Build 'em. Build them safe, but build 'em. We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Period. Build 'em, Drill 'em, Wind farm (despite Mr. Kennedy's protest) Solar.. Just do it.

re: #169 secsailor

I always liked the one that said, "Forrest fires prevent bears"

Nuclear power is something I can get excited about.

re: #121 solomonpanting

And as I recall, didn't that movie come out just before Three Mile Island?

Yes it did, 2 or 3 weeks before, iirc.

re: #170 freetoken

sigh... the LGF software doesn't like rstp links.

Anyway, go to cspan.com, look up "Senate Energy & Natural Resources Cmte. Hearing on Transmission of Renewable Electricity" on June 17, 2008.

Oh!

Someone thinks he's funny:

With today's looming energy crisis and slow migration to alternative fuel sources, we may not have seen the last of the atomic automobile concept. A safe atomic vehicle may not be entirely beyond our reach, as the US Navy has demonstrated with its perfect record of nuclear safety. Perhaps one day fossil fuels will wither under the radioactive glare of the mighty atom, and our highways will hum with the steam turbines of mobile Chernobyls. It could be a real blast.

re: #171 MikeySDCA
I can froth at the mouth about who I please. Jane doesn't make me froth, I just want to chuck a brick at the TV. :)

re: #159 MikeySDCA

Well Lee Marvin was brilliant. I also liked Michael Callan and Dwayne Hickman.

re: #178 alteredbeat

Same here. We need more energy, ferchrissakes, however we can get it. Preferably within our own country...

re: #154 mich-again

Your #1: Getting any municipality to do anything is very difficult. The notion of getting uniformity is ludicrous.

re: #174 angst

Hope it rides better than a vette!

First time i rode in one i was shocked at how lousy the damn thing rode. worse than riding in a go kart.

One area I differ from most right wing fanatics is that I love mass transit. I would love to see high density commuter and Amtrak routes powered by electricity, produced by nuclear power.

re: #163 cutestguy

If Canada run by liberals allowed all that stuff i cannot for the life of me understand how big bad america is so weak when it comes to your own well being.

The Alberta oil boom would not have been allowed under the dems watch.

re: #164 stevieray

Used heating oil for furnace in FL. Luckily only had to fill up once a year.

re: #176 sojerofgod

I always liked the one that said, "Forrest fires prevent bears"

I have a non-irrational fear of polar bears. Those critters really will eat us at the first chance.

Drill in ANWR.

re: #175 Yankee Division Son

Build 'em. Build them safe, but build 'em. We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Period. Build 'em, Drill 'em, Wind farm (despite Mr. Kennedy's protest) Solar.. Just do it.

WE CANT! TOO MANY LAWYERS.

re: #166 docremulac

It's the People's Democratic Soviet Socialist Republic of Denial.

re: #153 HelloDare

DONALD SUTHERLAND, "Commander-In-Chief" star, said in an interview with the BBC that President Bush "will destroy our lives!'' The 70-year-old actor choked back tears as he ripped apart the Bush administration for the Iraq war and the slow response to Hurricane Katrina. "They were inept . . . they were insulting . . . They do not care about Iraqi people. They do not care about the families of dead soldiers. They only care about profit.''

Well, fuck you, Donald Sutherland.

re: #192 really grumpy big dog Johnson

They make killer carpets...

re: #195 MandyManners

Is it just me or is he a horrible actor?

Jane Fonda uses the "C" word.

Just couldn't put it in the spinoffs.

NSFW - that 'c' word.

Honestly, I was looking around for vid of her doing the tomahawk chop at a Braves/Twins '91 Series game.

re: #169 secsailor

One of my favorite bumper stickers! I believe the full text is "Nuke unborn gay whales for Christ". My all time favorite was one a friend had in college. His brother went to the Colorado School of Mines. It was a silhouette of a bulldozer flattening mountains with the phrase "Strip mining prevents forrest fires".

Irradiate the Jesus Fish!

re: #171 MikeySDCA

She is a dead issue, and would truly be so if out-of-date right-wingers did not froth at the mouth every time she is mentioned.

But riffing on Jane Fonda is fun.

re: #142 DesertSage
Ah yeah, now I get it - I hate her guts anyway. Talk about your rich, spoiled elite - when she was married to Ted Turner they were THE MOONBAT couple - tons of money and tons of empty space between their ears!

Here's an argument to use against the pagans who hate nuclear power.............I used to live in a county that had a large number of coal trains...trains carrying coal to coal fired power plants. Those trains killed about 2 or 3 people a year in that area. Trespassers, snowmobilers, cars on grade crossings, trespassers trying to hitch a ride.

Has anyone ever been killed by nuclear power?

re: #161 psyop

Do you not understand how non-oil energy that we could produce would affect transportation?

Most of our trans power comes from oil. See here.

Now, imagine if the fuel cell car already in production, the electric cars and buses used by many people and local municipalities, had a cheap, locally produced source of electricity to recharge?

You were certainly correct (and I overstated) about how much electricity is produced from oil, but if we have cheap, locally produced energy of ANY kind (and nuclear is something we can do with NO international help), it will have a ripple effect across the whole spectrum of energy usage.

Exactly, "imagine if." I said we needed to develop fuel cells and hybrids in order to exploit the benefits of cheaper, more plentiful electricity. McCain needs to emphasize that as much as he needs to emphasize nuclear power or all that new electricity isn't going to help much.

Notice how I didn't say "do you not know how to read what I wrote?"

re: #183 pingjockey

Have you considered getting a life? In this century?

re: #202 Dave the.....

Nuclear power No, nuclear meltdown once.

Drill everywhere there is oil in our land....EVERYWHERE

Encourage industry to develop alternative energy sources

Start building refineries

build nuclear plants

start using other oil sources, such as oil shale and other oil rich resources. Expensive now, but cheaper as the technology catches up

STOP using corn as a fuel, that is an amazing waste of a resource

Use our coal and natural gas reserves to the max

OR>

We can adopt Obama's plan and tax the crap out of Big Oil.....

which plan sounds more SANE?

re: #185 psyop

Same here. We need more energy, ferchrissakes, however we can get it. Preferably within our own country...

Hint: We have the largest natural nuclear reserves on the planet.

If OPEC can export oil, we can export the power generated by electricity.

It's not about oil per se, it's about energy. We should capitalize on that in every way we can.

One more thing before I am really gone...

McCain has been trying to bring energy policies to the fore, and has overall, IMO, been doing a good job at trying to balance the various political realities. He is also taking some brave steps too:

McCain wants to end ethanol subsidies and tariffs:

SAO PAULO, Brazil -- U.S. presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain supports ending subsidies for U.S. ethanol production and would back Brazil's inclusion on an expanded United Nations Security Council, a Brazilian newspaper reported Sunday. [...]

However, I doubt McCain will get the recognition on this that he deserves.

re: #195 MandyManners

Well, fuck you, Donald Sutherland.

what she said

re: #145 newsjunkie_ky
Hi there newsjunkie! I frankly liked the horse better!
And of course Lee Marvin really made that film.
But I'm prejudiced against her cause of her bullshit during Vietnam - making radio tape recordings Charlie would play calling on us grunts to off our officers and shit.

Here's the view of the dusk on the San Gabriel Mountains for tonight.

re: #202 Dave the.....

Here's an argument to use against the pagans who hate nuclear power.............I used to live in a county that had a large number of coal trains...trains carrying coal to coal fired power plants. Those trains killed about 2 or 3 people a year in that area. Trespassers, snowmobilers, cars on grade crossings, trespassers trying to hitch a ride.

Has anyone ever been killed by nuclear power?

Outside of the Soviet Union?

re: #187 sojerofgod

Hope it rides better than a vette!

First time i rode in one i was shocked at how lousy the damn thing rode. worse than riding in a go kart.

You rode in a Tesla? I am sad to hear it doesn't have much of a ride. I mean, that's the point of a sports car. Although, maybe not the point of this particular sports car.

The Eurabian French derive most of their energy from nuclear power and, as a testament to their love of North African Arabs, sell the waste to their former colonies like Algeria.

Either we will see some interesting evolutionary experiments coming out of the Sahara, if the anti-nuke people are correct, or we will see nothing. I bet we'll see nothing. Contain and bury the crap, and it's fine.

Perhaps if Bush would just start a war for oil.......

re: #193 experiencedtraveller

WE CANT! TOO MANY LAWYERS.

Indeed, yet another issue that must be resolved.

re: #206 Desert Dog

Drill everywhere there is oil in our land....EVERYWHERE

Encourage industry to develop alternative energy sources

Start building refineries

build nuclear plants

start using other oil sources, such as oil shale and other oil rich resources. Expensive now, but cheaper as the technology catches up

STOP using corn as a fuel, that is an amazing waste of a resource

Use our coal and natural gas reserves to the max

OR>

We can adopt Obama's plan and tax the crap out of Big Oil.....

which plan sounds more SANE?

Okay, now there's a comprehensive plan I can get behind.

I want my own Mr. Fusion.

re: #197 pegcity

And as ugly as home-made sin?

re: #215 Shug

Perhaps if Bush would just start a war for oil.......

I agree, let's invade Saudi Arabia and Venezuela!

re: #202 Dave the.....

Have you heard of Chernobyl?

re: #211 Ojoe

Mmm, dusky.

re: #210 realwest
Agree, this film was made in '65 and I do think it is pretty funny. Yes the horse was awesome and stole every scene.

re: #189 Dave the.....

Mass transit is only truly effective in HIGH density areas. Los Angeles, New York, Buenos Aires, Tokyo, Hong Kong, London....

Most places that want mass transit do not have the pop density to make it worth it.

One major problem is planning. If you have so few people in an area (take my area, Seattle) that you are trying to plan your mass transit for where you THINK people will be eventually, you will fail. Mass transit only works when the infrastructure is already built up, and people already have established patterns...

re: #212 The Other Les

Madam Curie, in effect

Marie Curie

re: #137 Seraphym

My Vote

Now, about that MSRP....

Cool looking car, but it may as well only go 120 miles on a charge. Unless you can travel a full day - 6-8 hours, it's nothing more than an energy-efficient commuter car.

Just sayin'

re: #221 MikeySDCA

Chernobyl was a typical Soviet F*ck up. They designed a shitty product, then mismanaged it after it was done.

re: #219 eastvillageinfidel

And as ugly as home-made sin?

And dumb as a doorknob. He had the choice between taking a flat fee or a percentage of the profits from Animal House and he took the flat fee.

Missed out on two million dollars.

OT, and my apology if anyone has already posted this.

Drudge has on his site, a link to Fox about Democrats calling for nationalization of oil.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Repeating the lie...

Barack Obama and the Ku Klux Klan: Bernd Debusmann

The rumor that prompted Obama to set up the site last week involved his wife Michelle. Right-wing bloggers spoke of the existence of a videotape that showed her making an angry speech featuring the word "whitey," a derogatory term for white people. "No such tape exists," says the anti-rumor site, "Michelle has not used that word."

re: #215 Shug

Perhaps if Bush would just start a war for oil.......

Bush wouldn't have had to start a "war for oil" if the Dems would just let us drill our own known reserves.

If the US Navy would be in charge of running the nuclear reactors..with thier safeguards..I would feel comfortable with a 1000 powerplants coming on-line.
The Navy's standards are far above the NRC's standards.
a close second would be the French..( i hear your snickers.. but it's true)

re: #231 Mich-again

sarc

Nuclear power...this is the last of the first generation to come on line...[Link: www.nrc.gov...]

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

re: #143 pingjockey

Anything that gives Jane Fonda nightmares, fits, apoplexy, shingles , hives, or foaming at the mouth I am for it.

And should you need to know why, here's Hanoi Jane at work!

[Link: www.26thmarines.org...]

re: #232 HoosierHoops

If the US Navy would be in charge of running the nuclear reactors..with thier safeguards..I would feel comfortable with a 1000 powerplants coming on-line.
The Navy's standards are far above the NRC's standards.
a close second would be the French..( i hear your snickers.. but it's true)

And, if we opt for the later the employee cafeteria would ROCK too!

re: #202 Dave the.....

Has anyone ever been killed by nuclear power?

Yes. Chernobyl. "203 people were hospitalized immediately, of whom 31 died (28 of them died from acute radiation exposure)."

re: #215 Shug

Perhaps if Bush would just start a war for oil.......

Wait.. you mean we didn't just fill up the supertankers and skeedadle after we invaded Iraq?

/Lefties lied, SUVs died.

re: #221 MikeySDCA

Have you heard of Chernobyl?

Shoddy, communist work ethic.

re: #227 rawmuse

Chernobyl was a typical Soviet F*ck up. They designed a shitty product, then mismanaged it after it was done.

And worse yet, they left it all up to the lackeys on the night shift. OK. OK, I have worked the night shift at factories before. I know all the jokes.

re: #211 Ojoe

Here's the view of the dusk on the San Gabriel Mountains for tonight.

Ahhhh....
Ojoe, that's the best part of the evening...when you post the towercam.

re: #123 realwest

For cryin' out loud FRANCE produces over 70% of it's electrical power with nuke reactors, why can't we AT LEAST match the French and sooner than in 22 years?

For what it's worth, the U.S. produces about 50% more electricity, today, from nuclear power than does France (790 TWh vs. 540 TWh). Not that we couldn't be doing more, but we are outproducing France.

re: #240 Noam Sayin'

Shoddy, communist work ethic.

The guys that went in there and fought the fires and put an end to it are SUPER STUDS in my mind though......

re: #171 MikeySDCA Well this is ONE out of date right winger who will never forgive nor forget her traitorous actions towards the United States and especially towards my fellow Vietnam Veterans.
Fuck her, but not with my dick.

re: #71 angst

Well, this is all very good and well, but it isn't going to put gas in my tank or in the tank of the semi-trucks and airplanes, since we don't burn oil for electricity. There has to be a comparable push by industry to develop electric or hybrid engines that are a hell of a lot better than now. Although, maybe it could reduce the cost of electricity enough to make hydrogen fuel cells more attractive.

If he wants to make this a truly helpful plan, he needs to introduce a companion package of incentives to spur research, too.

We don't have a problem securing electricity. We have a problem getting oil.

We do not now have a fleet of plug-in electric cars. We cannot have that fleet unless there's enough extra kwh to recharge them nightly. An assured supply of kwh is essential. Given that supply, the R&D will fall into place.

Then this fleet will be built and used. It'll be no good for long range travel, but millions of people have a car they use for around-town driving. An auto that gets 30 mpg with $10/gal gasoline costs 30+ cents a mile just for fuel. The cost of the electricity would be mere pennies. That will reduce demand for gasoline, and lower demand will make it easier for those who cannot substitute electricity to buy the gasoline.

There are many more uses for electricity. Homes now heated with oil can be kept warm with heat pumps driven by electricity. There have to be endless other possibilities for substitution. Electric trains instead of diesel...

re: #224 psyop

Mass transit is only truly effective in HIGH density areas. Los Angeles, New York, Buenos Aires, Tokyo, Hong Kong, London....

Most places that want mass transit do not have the pop density to make it worth it.

One major problem is planning. If you have so few people in an area (take my area, Seattle) that you are trying to plan your mass transit for where you THINK people will be eventually, you will fail. Mass transit only works when the infrastructure is already built up, and people already have established patterns...

This is why I lose my patience with the holier-than-thou Europeans when it comes to their mass-transit snobbery. They had compact cities built up when folks travelled by horse (at best), in itty bitty little countries.

Try living in a huge country mostly settled after the steam engine and internal combustion engine hit the scene.

Energy snobs.

re: #230 SasquatchOnSteroids

Right-wing bloggers spoke of the existence of a videotape

Nice

re: #243 Opilio

For what it's worth, the U.S. produces about 50% more electricity, today, from nuclear power than does France (790 TWh vs. 540 TWh). Not that we couldn't be doing more, but we are outproducing France.

Size matters

re: #238 secsailor

Yes. Chernobyl. "203 people were hospitalized immediately, of whom 31 died (28 of them died from acute radiation exposure)."

Chernobyl was built of Soviet design, there was no containment building.

re: #232 HoosierHoops

I have posed the idea in these thread that if the NIMBY fools won't relent then we should just build floating nukes and park them offshore with the power cables tethered to land.

Not to be outdone, Obama stated a few minutes ago:

"I also believe nuclear power is the right way to go, and I have asked Iranian President Ahmadinejad to share their nuclear technology with us. The Iranian President responded positively, and has told me that he would share with us as soon as he is done sharing with Israel."

"Dialogue instead of confrontation always gets results." he concluded.

Chernobyl did not have a containment vessel. That was the biggest problem.

Sorry broken link...Watts bar unit two...[Link: www.nrc.gov...]

re: #203 angst

Exactly, "imagine if." I said we needed to develop fuel cells and hybrids in order to exploit the benefits of cheaper, more plentiful electricity. McCain needs to emphasize that as much as he needs to emphasize nuclear power or all that new electricity isn't going to help much.

Notice how I didn't say "do you not know how to read what I wrote?"

There is already a fuel cell car in production, and commercials on your local TV for it (by Honda, check it out... also, GM has a fuel cell car, just not cheap enough electricity to make it commercially viable). There is already the technology and infrastructure in place to take advantage of more nuclear energy. It isn't something we need to wait for, it is waiting for us.

And yes, I did notice how you said "do you not know how to read what I wrote?"

Apparently, you didn't take your own advice....

Now, imagine if the fuel cell car already in production, the electric cars and buses used by many people and local municipalities, had a cheap, locally produced source of electricity to recharge?

re: #252 Maine's Michael

Not to be outdone, Obama stated a few minutes ago:

yes, I believe Nevil Chamberlain achieved some "results" as well......

re: #180 ploome hineni

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

As the hours ticked down Wednesday to the cease-fire, Kassam rockets continued to pound the western Negev, and Hamas seemed determined to get in "last licks." Close to 30 Kassam rockets struck the area...

So, they agree to a cease fire to begin at a certain time, then the "Palestinians" launch 30 rockets right before the deadline.

Nice to have an agreement.

re: #252 Maine's Michael

Not to be outdone, Obama stated a few minutes ago:

Well. this past weekend he did speak of the value of the nuclear family.
;0

re: #68 Shug

Like their pinto I don't want to rear end that car

The flaming Pinto was more made up msm bull shit!
Very happy former owner of a '74 2.3L 4sp Pinto hatchback.

re: #257 rwmofo

come on like you don't go a little nuts before a diet.

While I believe in conservation, we cannot conserve ourselves into one more gallon of gasoline, one more barrel of oil. As it is, the Goracle used even more energy this past year. 100 nuclear plants may not be enough at the rate he is using energy.

We need something today to be done before the cold weather hits...and the old and poor cannot afford the surge in the price of heating oil and natural gas that is going to occur.

We need to do away with ethanol right now and release the corn for food stuffs. With the amount of land under water right now, we need the fields now growing corn for food not energy. And the law that requires a certain amount of corn to go for ethanol remains in effect even though food supply is going down hill.

As Newt states....drill here, drill now, pay less. Only economically secure nations have the time to deal with conservation, cleaning the rivers and streams. There are ways to extract oil and gas without damaging the environment. We need to put the technology we have developed for other parts of the world seeking clean energy to work in this country. We paid for the technology, when do we get the benefit?

The problem with electric cars is batteries. They are relatively nasty to manufacture and I don't really think there is much of a plan to do something with the old ones once they are spent. There is battery recycling done over on the border of Mexico with regular car batteries but, again, its no more environmentally friendly than original manufacture.

I often think that total environmental impact is often overlooked in the chaotic rush to be "green".

re: #18 Olderthandirt

Jane you Ignorant Slut.

I have seen no finer expose of Chernobyl than the one offered up by kiddofspeed. Hot Russian girl who rode a hopped up Ninja bike into the hot zone and took pictures. A must see website.

re: #111 MikeySDCA

Don't be an idiot. I'm in San Diego, CA. Look at a map and consider what it would take to get the coal here.

We have a nuke plant at San Onofre, but I'am at the south end of the county, and we have an oil-fired plant as our primary source.

Let's be honest..."We had a nuke plant in San Onofre" There is not one watt coming out of that hull now.

re: #260 pegcity

come on like you don't go a little nuts before a diet.