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Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:42:44 pm PDT

People say that money is not the key to happiness, but I always figured if you have enough money, you can have a key made.

Joan Rivers

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1 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:43:35pm

Only evening here. ;)

2 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:43:36pm

Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can rent it

3 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:45:39pm

I'm more then willing to try out being rich. If I don't like it I can always go back to being poor.
// {;-)™

4 Attaboid  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:46:59pm

I'm willing to try it.

5 Attaboid  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:48:09pm
6 rockdad  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:49:34pm

Not the key, but certainly one vehicle.

7 Carridine  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:49:46pm

Gotta switch work environs...

BBIAW as Karridine

8 Bosch Fawstin  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:49:52pm

Hello, everyone, here's my latest:
Give Us Liberty, Give Them Death

9 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:52:10pm

I'm not convinced about this whole money not buying happiness business. Clothes and high-end cookware make me very happy. I'd be willing to give money a try.

10 Bosch Fawstin  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:52:46pm

Money's not everything, but it's a Whole lot.

11 psyop  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:53:26pm

Have a great night!

I must go, maybe wreak some havoc somewhere. Start an insurrection, I dunno.

I am kinda bored...

12 winston06  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:53:41pm

have a good night every one

13 gop_patriot  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:53:45pm

If I had enough money*, I'd buy one of these.

*you know, won a zillion dollars in the lottery

14 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:56:19pm

You know, the worst part about trying to drill your way out of an oil crises is that you end up with all this oil! Sheeesh. Then you have too much oil and the price goes down , so people think they are entitled to drive, manufacture, breed...Ewww. We must stop it now!

15 blink  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:57:13pm

Obama is a buffon on foreign policy and McCain appears to have (mostly) the right answers on energy policy. How can November be anything but a win?

16 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:58:20pm

well cant say much my better half of 16 years had a minor breakdown probably because meds arent working threw shit at me and totally flipped out i couldnt reason with her called 911 cops made her go to crisis who only seen her after she calmed down so they released her oh and to get back at me she gave or told the cops where i had a joint stashed so now i'm looking at a 300-500 dollar fine and need to find a cheap place where i can move to with my cats the worst part she is now off the new meds and in a day or two will be really nice to me i might have to tell the magistrate to just give me 30-90 days since i refuse to do probation or give the weasels the fine money

17 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:59:04pm

re: #15 blink

Obama is a buffon on foreign policy and McCain appears to have (mostly) the right answers on energy policy. How can November be anything but a win?

When the entire MSM of the USA (sans FOXNEWS), spins everything in Obama's favor and paints McCain as an out of touch OLD GUY...then, what should be an easy win, turns into a crushing defeat

18 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 9:59:44pm

After spending a night in the Newark Airport, my own bed is bliss. Never book the last flight out, my advice.

19 Drained Brain  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:00:35pm

Joan Rivers needs a key for her mouth.

20 republic  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:01:05pm

I see more Dems in Congress want to take over the oil companies.

Where will these freak leftist/communist Democrats stop?

I have ideas, but I'll keep them to myself.

21 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:03:08pm

re: #16 JimmyTheClaw

Wow! That's a drag.

22 republic  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:03:48pm

re: #17 Desert Dog

When the entire MSM of the USA (sans FOXNEWS), spins everything in Obama's favor and paints McCain as an out of touch OLD GUY...then, what should be an easy win, turns into a crushing defeat

The media did the same thing with Jon Carry vs Bush in 2004, and they even spotted Kerry a "winning in a landslide" media push to try and keep mid and western voters home, and Bush still won.

I still, until proven otherwise, have faith in the average hard working Americans, who will decide this next election.

23 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:04:01pm

re: #16 JimmyTheClaw

well cant say much my better half of 16 years had a minor breakdown probably because meds arent working threw shit at me and totally flipped out i couldnt reason with her called 911 cops made her go to crisis who only seen her after she calmed down so they released her oh and to get back at me she gave or told the cops where i had a joint stashed so now i'm looking at a 300-500 dollar fine and need to find a cheap place where i can move to with my cats the worst part she is now off the new meds and in a day or two will be really nice to me i might have to tell the magistrate to just give me 30-90 days since i refuse to do probation or give the weasels the fine money

Sheesh. A joint? $120 and go home. Tell the Judge you needed something to bring you back when the old lady was sane. You did all you could. But just couldn't deal with mood drugs. By the way, the warrant was bad. (there was none)

24 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:04:56pm

re: #22 republic

I hope you are right...I really, really hope you are right

25 blink  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:06:06pm

re: #22 republic

I have to agree with you.

26 republic  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:06:33pm

re: #24 Desert Dog

I hope you are right...I really, really hope you are right

It always looks darkest before the dawn.

27 republic  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:09:19pm

G'night all!

:)

28 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:09:23pm

re: #15 blink

Obama is a buffon on foreign policy and McCain appears to have (mostly) the right answers on energy policy. How can November be anything but a win?

Because no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the public?

Actually, I think McCain will win, prepare for seething from NOI.

And all these predictions of Obama winning will help. Obama supporters will stay home and all the McCain supporters will vote.

And we might still have a nice, unscripted Obama moment on national TV that really shows how empty he is.

On the other hand, Soros could screw up the economy so much people hope for change.

29 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:09:46pm

re: #16 JimmyTheC re: #16 JimmyTheClaw

sorry for your troubles--reminds me of savage nation--last i heard from him, his wife asked him for a divorce--sigh

30 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:09:56pm

re: #26 republic

Jon Carry is and was an assh*le...Obama is a black guy (a clean and articulate one). He also has a fanatical following that John F-ing Kerry could only dream of. This is different than 2004, much different. GWB had his problems, but, in the end the American electorate trusted him more. Obama is a different candidate than Kerry. Looking at this election with your eyes wide open, it would seem McCain should win...but, I am very worried about this election, very worried...

31 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:10:12pm

re: #23 pat

Sheesh. A joint? $120 and go home. Tell the Judge you needed something to bring you back when the old lady was sane. You did all you could. But just couldn't deal with mood drugs. By the way, the warrant was bad. (there was none)

actually the cop was cool in fact he asked me what to do with it (i said dump it and squish it underfoot) i guess i will have to wait to see what he does with a little weed and my pipe but i'm pissed because they wont take her seriously till she threatens me or herself with a carving knife (local mental health system really sucks they are pill pushers not able to treat mental illness) really bummed out they also pointed out my drivers licence is expired so i cannot even get her to doctor now

32 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:10:25pm

re: #22 republic

[Snip...]

I still, until proven otherwise, have faith in the average hard working Americans, who will decide this next election.

I still remember 1976 when Jimmy Carter was put in the White House by the stupid voter looking for change. I'm expecting the even dumber voter of 2008 to put Obama in the White House this year hoping that things will really change this time.

33 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:11:07pm

At this time in '04 the MSM had already declared John F'n Kerry the winner.

History repeats itself.

34 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:11:39pm

Not to go off on a rant here but it is always the others guys elected official that is a worthless piece of shit,not Bob,hell I voted for him twice...the school system sucks,but not our school,hell Ms. Jennings does shit that is good for them kids at our school even if she does talk about Castro as a God...I am all for nuclear power 800 miles away, I went to wal-mart in the next County and I was the only person speaking english,but that would never happen here...my boy isn`t in a gang,it`s all them other boys...them police tried to frame my daughter for what them assholes had in the car when they was giving her a ride home...I trust my city council and I will be damned if them lying ass fed`s say they took bribes...talk about my Pastor like that, I`ll kick your ass...honey I swear I had to work late...yesterday!

35 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:12:31pm

re: #32 Da_Beerfreak

I think you may be correct. If McCain keeps drinking deeply from the Cup of Stupid, we may be singing Hail to Da Chief.

36 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:13:33pm

hmm-expired drivers license--pipe and dope--any personal resonsiblity there ?

37 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:18:43pm

did i kill the thread? hello?

38 philosoteric  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:19:33pm

High school really ruined physics for me. I had an interest in it for a while as a kid; I read "The Universe in a Nutshell" unceasingly. I got out of it, for some reason that is now lost to me. Then high school came along and threw me all these curve balls that left a dent in my head = I really started hating physics.

Then within the past few days I started thinking about it again, and I realized that my problem wasn't with physics: it was the math entangled with it. As long as I keep away from the math (and approach it very cautiously), I can understand the concepts just fine.

And I'd completely forgotten how much fun it is.

39 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:21:32pm

re: #37 mikeymom

I'm still here, awaiting witty repose and rapier wit

40 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:21:38pm

Do the Right Thing — Start Drilling
by Victor Davis Hanson

41 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:22:19pm

re: #17 Desert Dog

I recently hosted visitors from the mid-west (where I originally hail from) and they're not exactly staunch conservatives (teachers union) but they were vehemently anti-Obama. They also gave me an indication that nobody they knew back home was either. They didn't know what he was all about (they're from Illinois!) and they were worried about his lack of experience. It gave me some hope that regular people aren't being fooled.

42 kynna  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:23:18pm

re: #35 rawmuse

I think you may be correct. If McCain keeps drinking deeply from the Cup of Stupid, we may be singing Hail to Da Chief.

Having McCain as a candidate is like watching a blind guy wander unknowingly onto a tightrope. You can yell directions, but if he doesn't get it, he's going to fall.

Unfortunately, he's going to fall on us. :o

43 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:23:36pm

well really-pot head--didnt renew license-what do you think? im not tolent of that sart of behavior

44 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:24:22pm

re: #30 Desert Dog
Being worried is natural. Really. But I've seen the breakdown in polls and when they get to the question of "trust" McCain beat Obama hands down, even among Dems and Independents. I also think that the majority of the Democratic Party could call itself the silent majority. Obama's base is made up, almost entirely, by the extreme left wing of the Dem party.
I still think the reason a majority of voters went for Bush v Kerry (and a real majority, over 50%) was because they trusted Bush, in spite of all the lying and conniving the MSM did (remember Rathergate and the phenominally GREAT WORK done by Charles?). And I still think the majority of Americans, once they're inside the voting booth, will pull the lever for the candidate they trust the most.

45 DrJen  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:24:43pm

Re: #8 Bosch Fawstin

Hello, everyone, here's my latest:
Give Us Liberty, Give Them Death

Nice. Mr. Bolton would make the U.S. a force to be reckoned with in the global political arena.

46 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:24:51pm

re: #31 JimmyTheClaw

Take deep breath. Deal with issues one at time. Drivers license, family doctor (who will not be concerned about joint unless you have high blood pressure) about issues, wife's medications with her doctor, letter to wife of your concern. Menopause and near menopause is a bitch. Particularly to women who believe that they should not have to work anymore.

47 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:25:18pm

re: #40 DesertSage

Saudi Arabia, and the rest of OPEC make nothing. They did not even find and develop the largess they have been bestowed...they are just lucky...hard work, innovation, cultural values and responsibility have not been part of their histories...

48 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:26:10pm

Time is not money. Your time is more valuble then money. Money allows you to free more time.

49 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #31 JimmyTheClaw

actually the cop was cool in fact he asked me what to do with it (i said dump it and squish it underfoot) i guess i will have to wait to see what he does with a little weed and my pipe but i'm pissed because they wont take her seriously till she threatens me or herself with a carving knife (local mental health system really sucks they are pill pushers not able to treat mental illness) really bummed out they also pointed out my drivers licence is expired so i cannot even get her to doctor now

Minus the joint- and not that there's anything wrong with that- I just went through the same thing a few years ago with now ex-wife #2.

Sorry that you're having to go through this. It's a horror story for anyone to live through.

Oh, and hello, everyone.

50 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:26:31pm

re: #42 kynna

To put it in a nutshell...McCain was the most politically correct the republicans had to offer...!

51 xleatherneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:27:25pm

#22 republic
I still, until proven otherwise, have faith in the average hard working Americans, who will decide this next election.


And exactly how do you define, in terms of behavior and belief, the "average hard working American?" Good luck trying to answer that, and even better luck trying to get people to agree.

The bottom line is that McCain can not win without the support of the conservative base, and right now, he doesn't have it.

52 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:28:01pm

re: #46 pat

WHAT? menopause? i went through it--a hot flash or three-- didnt make me smoke dope-or go crazy like jmmys wife-

53 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:28:56pm

re: #48 BlueCanuck

Time is not money. Your time is more valuble then money. Money allows you to free more time.

Bums have a lot of free time I hear.

/

Hi Blue

54 MikeySDCA  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:29:19pm

"People who say money can't buy happiness don't know where to shop."

Quote from someone.

55 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:29:46pm

Sorry my post was confusing - nobody back home in Ill. was pro-Obama is what I meant.
PIMF! If anybody cares! :)

56 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:29:59pm
57 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:30:21pm

re: #38 philosoteric

I was the opposite. I did great in high school physics, but I never really grasped the basic concepts. What little I did understand I've happily forgotten.
But I love math and was always good at it.
I'd rather solve a bunch of meaningless equations than understand why something works the way the way it does!

58 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:30:51pm

Money won't buy you good health. It may buy you the best medical care in the World, but sometimes even that won't save you.
I'll take good health over all the money I could dream of.

59 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:31:55pm

re: #46 pat

Take deep breath. Deal with issues one at time. Drivers license, family doctor (who will not be concerned about joint unless you have high blood pressure) about issues, wife's medications with her doctor, letter to wife of your concern. Menopause and near menopause is a bitch. Particularly to women who believe that they should not have to work anymore.

re: #52 mikeymom

WHAT? menopause? i went through it--a hot flash or three-- didnt make me smoke dope-or go crazy like jmmys wife-

Sounds more like he is describing a mental health issue with his wife, not menopause. IMHO.

60 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:32:33pm

re: #36 mikeymom

hmm-expired drivers license--pipe and dope--any personal resonsiblity there ?

drivers license was my bad but a pipe and a pinch of weed deep inside my desk drawer are different (she said well if i'm goin down so is he) and worst of all i cant just up and go and move 15 years has a lot of baggage and a lot of our stuff is tied together on the third i will squirell 50 bucks aside to renew my drivers license but untill then i have to barricade a door to sleep which really sucks

61 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:32:50pm

re: #52 mikeymom

But combined with a certain expectation of unfullfilled dreams or social status, it can be a debilitating thing. That is all I am saying.

62 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:33:40pm

re: #38 philosoteric

You could always try building machines and systems that illustrate the properties without solving the equations (since others have solved them before).

63 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:34:07pm

re: #53 AmeriDan

Bums have a lot of free time I hear.

/

Hi Blue

Yeah, but I wouldn't want a bums lifestyle. :p

/dealt with too many of them.

64 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:34:13pm

Ok this thread seems to be alive!

/searching for a live thread!

//Not a bad title for a song lol

65 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:34:45pm

re: #51 xleatherneck

I agree...I held my nose and voted for Bush in 2000...then in 2004, I did the same...he was not what I wanted, but 100000000% better than the alternative. He at least paid lip service to conservatives and counted on them to come out in droves to elect him (which we did). McCain seems to regard the conservative wing of his party as part of the problem. We will not come out in droves for him. Add that fact to almost cult-like status Sen. Obama has...it will be closer than the optimists in this blog think it will be...even with Obama's Gaffe machine running full blast and his naive and irresponsible policies...McCain is not very motivating and will not inspire anyone to come out and vote. Only FEAR of what Obama wants to do will achieve that...

66 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:34:57pm

re: #58 realwest

Money won't buy you good health. It may buy you the best medical care in the World, but sometimes even that won't save you.
I'll take good health over all the money I could dream of.

It won't buy real friends either.

Friends are good.

67 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:35:13pm

re: #64 MigueldowninMexico

Ok this thread seems to be alive!

/searching for a live thread!

//Not a bad title for a song lol

Translation: looking for the worm in the bottle.

68 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:35:34pm

re: #67 pat

Translation: looking for the worm in the bottle.

Hic! ;)

69 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:35:40pm

re: #61 pat

and jimmys last post was cognizant?

70 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:35:47pm

re: #51 xleatherneck
Sorry to disagree with you, but the bottom line for conservatives is vote for McCain or watch Obama and a HUGE majority of Dems in both houses change America in ways that would take us all decades to undo.
And no, McCain wasn't anything like my first or even second choice, but he is a hell of a lot better than Obama.

71 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:36:11pm

Gore went insane. A complete egomaniac. Delusions and all.

72 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:36:21pm

Time for some obscure tuneage - Triumvirat.

73 philosoteric  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:36:23pm

re: #57 wolfie

Think you could put up with being my math teacher? :D

74 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:36:45pm

re: #69 mikeymom

and jimmys last post was cognizant?

(i wouldn't go that far)

75 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:36:47pm

re: #66 AmeriDan Very true and excellent point!

76 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:37:03pm

re: #63 BlueCanuck

Yeah, but I wouldn't want a bums lifestyle. :p

/dealt with too many of them.

I pretend they're not there. Or are you talking about non-street bums?

77 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:37:09pm

Dan
Down here we say: "he who has found a friend has found a treasure"
;)

78 philosoteric  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:37:25pm

re: #62 slokat

Hm, that's an idea. I get a big impression that in order to properly do physics, you need the maths, however. Am I wrong?

79 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:37:37pm

re: #64 MigueldowninMexico

Hey Miguel.

80 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:37:41pm

re: #58 realwest

Money won't buy you good health. It may buy you the best medical care in the World, but sometimes even that won't save you.
I'll take good health over all the money I could dream of.

Money won't buy you good friendships either. It will buy you lots of people who say that they're your friend, but in reality they could care less about you.

You my friend are blessed with real friends.

81 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:06pm

re: #79 AmeriDan

Hey Miguel.

Hello Dan :)

82 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:11pm

Off for a bit. Thanx all for the interesting conversation.

83 mikeysdca  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:32pm

re: #58 realwest

And you get good health from where?

84 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:42pm

re: #80 DesertSage

Money won't buy you good friendships either. It will buy you lots of people who say that they're your friend, but in reality they could care less about you.

You my friend are blessed with real friends.

I attest to that!

85 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:46pm

re: #77 MigueldowninMexico

Dan
Down here we say: "he who has found a friend has found a treasure"
;)

Truer words, my friend, have never been spoken.

86 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:38:58pm

re: #46 pat

Take deep breath. Deal with issues one at time. Drivers license, family doctor (who will not be concerned about joint unless you have high blood pressure) about issues, wife's medications with her doctor, letter to wife of your concern. Menopause and near menopause is a bitch. Particularly to women who believe that they should not have to work anymore.

she doesnt work like me long term dissability i deal with mine by occasional joint and a 40 at night (if i want to sleep more than 4 or 5 hours). tried the mental health drugs i seem to get those nasty side affects you see on adds on tv etc... as far as menopause she read the warnings on a patch from her gyno and wont use it. i'm at my wits end because i still really love her and this might be coming to an end

87 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:06pm

re: #82 pat

Off for a bit. Thanx all for the interesting conversation.

Aloha waikiki! lol

88 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:12pm

re: #80 DesertSage
Thanks Sage, and I surely count you among them and am grateful for that fact.

89 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:35pm

re: #73 philosoteric

Think you could put up with being my math teacher? :D

Sure! Think you can teach me to thread the needle on my new sewing machine?! :)

90 philosoteric  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:40pm

See y'all in the morning.

As soon as I can, I'll put up a link to a picture of the awesome moonrise we get here. Living in the mountains is great!

91 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:46pm

re: #85 AmeriDan

Truer words, my friend, have never been spoken.

We've tested that in our lives, haven't we? ;)

92 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:39:46pm

That is the key to life- moneyyy!

93 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:40:03pm

re: #59 AmeriDan

Sounds more like he is describing a mental health issue with his wife, not menopause. IMHO.

bingo

94 mikeysdca  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:40:09pm

re: #71 pat

Was he ever any better?

95 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:40:18pm

Now if we can just get Miguel across the border to vote for McCain, he will win no problem.

96 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:41:04pm

re: #83 mikeysdca
Well since I have really shitty health I can't really answer that question. Nor can my oncologist. Maybe genes, maybe luck - if I knew, I wouldn't need an oncologist.

97 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:41:18pm

re: #88 realwest

Thanks Sage, and I surely count you among them and am grateful for that fact.

Sage is mean to me Real!
He's very mean. He always drinks all my mezcal!

/Heavy joking ;)

98 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:41:32pm

re: #76 AmeriDan

street bums. Have about twenty that hang out by my office complex that I work at. Good incentive for me to keep my job.

Good morning Miguel.

99 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:41:47pm

Miguel- haven't seen you in the Lounge in a while- Que pasa?

100 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:41:57pm

re: #92 LEGION

That is the key to life- moneyyy!

It might not be the key to life but it is most certainly the key to the chastity belt...bwahahaha!

101 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:42:19pm

re: #95 DesertSage

Now if we can just get Miguel across the border to vote for McCain, he will win no problem.

Shhh
Killian Bundy could be around.

/He rats on illegals ;)

102 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:42:33pm

re: #87 MigueldowninMexico Hola Amigo - well I reckon I found a real treasure in you my friend.

103 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:42:54pm

re: #97 MigueldowninMexico

Sage is mean to me Real!
He's very mean. He always drinks all my mezcal!

/Heavy joking ;)

I'm only mean to you because I like you so much.

Tough love my friend :')

104 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #99 LEGION

Miguel- haven't seen you in the Lounge in a while- Que pasa?

I became adicted to the theads after being adicted to ther Lounge. I guess I changed adictions.

Besides, my comments at the lounge don't count for the total # LOL

Thanks for asking :)

105 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:44:24pm
106 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:44:26pm

re: #104 MigueldowninMexico

Yowsa I see! 25K coming up! Holy Cow!

107 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:44:29pm

re: #102 realwest

Hola Amigo - well I reckon I found a real treasure in you my friend.

Same here real.
And you are a treaure for a lot of people, my friend.
:)

108 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #93 JimmyTheClaw

bingo

Did you see my earlier post saying that I went through what you described?

109 mikeymom  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:44:53pm

re: #96 realwest

any news real? recently? i heart ya u know

110 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:45:02pm

re: #103 DesertSage

I'm only mean to you because I like you so much.

Tough love my friend :')

Hahahaha.
I know Sage ;)

Marine's friendship lol

111 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:45:32pm

re: #106 LEGION

Yowsa I see! 25K coming up! Holy Cow!

MOO!

112 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:45:48pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I have a box of rocks that can outthink some of the posters on the last ID thread.

Are they the Shiva Stones from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?

113 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:46:24pm

re: #102 realwest

Hola Amigo - well I reckon I found a real treasure in you my friend.

Group hug time?

:)

114 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:46:35pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I have a box of rocks that can outthink some of the posters on the last ID thread.

Is that where all those Pet Rocks went to?

115 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:46:43pm

re: #111 MigueldowninMexico

Mom said about me when I was born I was a treasure, Dad said yeah lets bury him.

116 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:47:45pm

also her biggest problem this time is marriage if we get married legally we lose enough cash (we both recieve social security) that we will have to live in public housing section 8 etc... so like i'm against all the bs with food stamps section 8 etc... also she might have been talking with some aa types who believe anyone who drinks is an alcoholic and if you smoke a joint you are the same as a crack head (i hate those people) i'm not sure i just know that my pristine clear permanent record is now flawed (or will be in a few weeks) which really sucks

117 slokat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:47:57pm

re: #78 philosoteric

Hm, that's an idea. I get a big impression that in order to properly do physics, you need the maths, however. Am I wrong?

The math has all been done by others.

One of the advantages to being human is to learn from the struggle of others, right?

Physics is a field that works, if you know the math or not. Plus the experiments are fun, if you are collecting data or not.

The math just let's you predict what will happen before you do it.

After you prove the theory by experiments, it might make the math make more sense...

In example: trebuchets work if you know the math or not, but the math makes you more accurate.

118 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:48:09pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I have a box of rocks that can outthink some of the posters on the last ID thread.

I think you insulted my pet rock.

119 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:48:51pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I have a box of rocks that can outthink some of the posters on the last ID thread.

I sort of lean to the ID side, because of my strong belief in God.

But you monkey have been writing some excellent comments!

Tired of dingin' you up! lol (j/k)

120 realwest  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:49:15pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but TONIGHT I'm gonna get some sleep for a change! LOL!

Anyway, I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

121 angst  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:49:17pm

re: #78 philosoteric

Hm, that's an idea. I get a big impression that in order to properly do physics, you need the maths, however. Am I wrong?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Einstein wasn't all that great at math. You do not need to know math to understand the theories of relativity.

I loved physics, and should have gone into it. My math is good but not great, but if you can get your mind around the concepts, that's what counts. After all, it's not like physicists do the math with pencil and paper.

re: #48 BlueCanuck

Time is not money. Your time is more valuble then money. Money allows you to free more time.

This is exactly what I tell my kids. Money buys you freedom. You can also help other people with it. That's nice, too.

122 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:49:28pm

re: #118 Racer X

I still have my Pet Rock- (Stinky)! Also, a piece of the "Berlin Wall" (righttt).

123 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #113 AmeriDan

Group hug time?

:)

Yeah! Why not?
I was even going to ask Blue if he takes me as a member of the bum pack outside his job place! lol

Guess that'd be quite a smelly group hug!

124 LEGION  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:50:18pm

Time to put Stinky to bed. Nite all!

125 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:50:25pm

re: #118 Racer X

I think you insulted my pet rock.

Hahahaha!

126 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:50:42pm

re: #98 BlueCanuck

street bums. Have about twenty that hang out by my office complex that I work at. Good incentive for me to keep my job.

Good morning Miguel.

I sincerely hope you never, ever give them any money. Obviously, your co-workers and clients do though.

127 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:51:26pm

re: #120 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but TONIGHT I'm gonna get some sleep for a change! LOL!

Change!

Drink!

Where's my Mezcal?

128 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:51:47pm

Good night realwest! :)


Good night LEGION! :)

129 xleatherneck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:52:30pm

#70 realwest
Sorry to disagree with you...

Feel free to disagree with me, but before you lock yourself into that conclusion, you might want to spend some time at Free Republic, because it doesn't support your position, and they are the best indicators of the very query that we are discussing.

130 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:52:46pm

re: #115 LEGION

Mom said about me when I was born I was a treasure, Dad said yeah lets bury him.

Hahahaha! Cruel joke!

131 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:52:50pm

re: #116 JimmyTheClaw

also her biggest problem this time is marriage if we get married legally we lose enough cash (we both recieve social security) that we will have to live in public housing section 8 etc... so like i'm against all the bs with food stamps section 8 etc... also she might have been talking with some aa types who believe anyone who drinks is an alcoholic and if you smoke a joint you are the same as a crack head (i hate those people) i'm not sure i just know that my pristine clear permanent record is now flawed (or will be in a few weeks) which really sucks

You're not legally married? I could offer you some advice if you wanted it.

132 angst  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:53:03pm

re: #119 MigueldowninMexico

I sort of lean to the ID side, because of my strong belief in God.

But you monkey have been writing some excellent comments!

Tired of dingin' you up! lol (j/k)

I have a lot of patience with the ID people. I know a lot of ID folks who are otherwise very smart and great people (like my neighbor). I suppose it's also because I believe science is so beautiful, God had to have a hand in it somewhere.

The world is so full of a number of things; I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings.

Lewis Carroll

133 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:53:49pm

re: #123 MigueldowninMexico

Yeah! Why not?
I was even going to ask Blue if he takes me as a member of the bum pack outside his job place! lol

Guess that'd be quite a smelly group hug!

And sticky to I bet.

/ewww

134 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:53:58pm

re: #127 DesertSage

Change!

Drink!

Where's my Mezcal?

HI!
Noam drrrunk it, hic!
I shaw im!

135 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:55:31pm

re: #133 AmeriDan

And sticky to I bet.

/ewww

ewww is right! lol

136 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:56:16pm

re: #132 angst

The Queen was muslim, wasn't she?

137 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:57:35pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Just finished a book by Pierre Manent called Democracy Without Nations? wherein he makes the connection between the development of the nation state and the rise of liberal democracy. Talks a lot about the contrast between the "political community" vs. universal humanitarianism.
Similar in many ways to the distinction you have drawn between civil rights and human rights.
You'd like it.
Short, too!

138 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:58:19pm

Y'all should step outside and llok at the moon. It's fan-fucking-tastic.

139 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:58:32pm

re: #134 MigueldowninMexico

HI!
Noam drrrunk it, hic!
I shaw im!

Yep, I knew it.

I'll deal with Noam later.

140 angst  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:58:44pm

re: #136 MigueldowninMexico

The Queen was muslim, wasn't she?

I don't know. All I know about Alice in Wonderland was that it was about drugs. I have no idea where that quote came from, I just like it.

141 angst  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 10:59:29pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Y'all should step outside and llok at the moon. It's fan-fucking-tastic.

Great. It's fan-fucking-raining outside!

142 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:00:18pm

re: #141 angst

Bummer, you're really missing out.

143 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:00:21pm

re: #131 AmeriDan

You're not legally married? I could offer you some advice if you wanted it.

i'll be up for a bit

144 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:00:22pm

re: #126 AmeriDan
I never give them a thing. That's what the city social services does. Personally I think they just enable them to continue their lifestyle

re: #123 MigueldowninMexico

You are not a bum. I don't know what you do, but you can afford internet and a computer. :)

145 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:00:30pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

We wolves have been howling at it most of the night!

146 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:01:23pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Y'all should step outside and llok at the moon. It's fan-fucking-tastic.

that must be it us loonys are affected by a full moon

147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:02:35pm
148 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:02:53pm

re: #119 MigueldowninMexico

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

I have a box of rocks that can outthink some of the posters on the last ID thread.

I sort of lean to the ID side, because of my strong belief in God.

But you monkey have been writing some excellent comments!

Tired of dingin' you up! lol (j/k)

Well, I made it almost an hour here without The Debate That Never Ends. I think that's a new record.

As for what I believe, this sums things up quite nicely, and I post it and then refuse to talk about it anymore.

149 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:03:14pm

re: #141 angst

Great. It's fan-fucking-raining outside!

Rain? What's that?

150 uptight  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:04:38pm

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151 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:04:58pm

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

I'll see if I can find it! :)

152 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:05:46pm

re: #149 DesertSage

Rain? What's that?

/it's a Beatles song

153 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:06:01pm

re: #150 uptight

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go up a page or so it was broken after the first tick tock

154 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:07:48pm

re: #143 JimmyTheClaw

i'll be up for a bit

It won't take long, and keep in mind that this is coming from someone who has been through it.

Note: If anyone has any kids in the room, please ask them to leave.

GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. NOW! ! !

155 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:07:49pm

re: #148 AmeriDan

Heh heh heh heh. I used to post on those threads just one thing then run.

God is a mathmatican. Thats all I have to say about the whole thing.

156 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:09:00pm

re: #154 AmeriDan

Been there, done that, got the scars.

/she was a real learning experience for me
//call her bitch face to all my friends. :)

157 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:11:23pm

re: #156 BlueCanuck

Been there, done that, got the scars.

/she was a real learning experience for me
//call her bitch face to all my friends. :)

my problem is she is getting sick again and this time i am almost powerless to rescue her before she hits bottom

158 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:13:49pm

re: #157 JimmyTheClaw

my problem is she is getting sick again and this time i am almost powerless to rescue her before she hits bottom

So you're going with her?

159 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:14:43pm

lurvly damn weather...

hot as hell, dry breeze, and no change for a few days, on top of a drought. all we need now is a couple of big fires...

/damn glad my yard is native plants.

160 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:17:03pm

re: #159 redc1c4

NATIVE PLANTS ?
You hate immigrants or something?!
BIGOT !

161 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:17:42pm

re: #158 AmeriDan

So you're going with her?

dunno if she leaves i cant stop her last 2 times she moved out she was back in 3 weeks because the people who prompted it were idiots and she realised i wasnt treating her bad and her friends were full of shit

162 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:19:21pm

Paging zombie:

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Barbara Miller ruled late Wednesday to continue a temporary injunction that is preventing the university's administration from cutting down 44 oak trees near Memorial Stadium to make room for a $125 million athletic facility, KCBS-TV reported.

Linky

163 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:20:00pm

re: #60 JimmyTheClaw

drivers license was my bad but a pipe and a pinch of weed deep inside my desk drawer are different (she said well if i'm goin down so is he) and worst of all i cant just up and go and move 15 years has a lot of baggage and a lot of our stuff is tied together on the third i will squirell 50 bucks aside to renew my drivers license but untill then i have to barricade a door to sleep which really sucks

Get yourself one of these, I live in and apartment and the beat a chain on the door . With this item you get piece of mind along with a good nights sleep.


[Link: www.alltvstuff.com...]

164 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:20:33pm

re: #159 redc1c4

Send some up our way, please. Temps here are half what they were this time last week. And it won't stop raining. Well the rain comes and goes but still.

165 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:22:16pm

re: #163 Dustyvet

Get yourself one of these, I live in and apartment and the beat a chain on the door . With this item you get piece of mind along with a good nights sleep.


[Link: www.alltvstuff.com...]

barricade will be on living room door so i can sleep because sometimes she really scares me

166 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:22:42pm

re: #160 wolfie

NATIVE PLANTS ?
You hate immigrants or something?!
BIGOT !

nope: just your garden variety asshole... %-)

167 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:23:02pm

re: #156 BlueCanuck

Been there, done that, got the scars.

/she was a real learning experience for me
//call her bitch face to all my friends. :)

My experience, and from what I read of Jimmy's, is way past the bitch part. We're talking psychotic monster.

Multiple police cars and ambulances in the yard at least once a week towards the end of my marriage. A group of cops pulling me aside and saying "she says you're beating her, but she doesn't have any bruises. You need to leave her and town, because we will have to take you in next time regardless."

Needless to say... I now live in a different state.

168 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:23:48pm

re: #165 JimmyTheClaw

Life is too short. Dump her. Don't look back.

169 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:24:23pm

re: #164 BlueCanuck

Send some up our way, please. Temps here are half what they were this time last week. And it won't stop raining. Well the rain comes and goes but still.

we'd have to trade for the rain...

the neighbors are still hosing down the driveways like they're trying to grow concrete...

/idiots

170 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:26:05pm

re: #166 redc1c4

Hiya Red. You missed the group hug earlier.

/your loss

171 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:26:51pm

YOU CAN NEVER LOOK BACK

172 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:28:20pm

re: #168 Racer X

Life is too short. Dump her. Don't look back.

Nail, meet hammer.

173 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:29:03pm

re: #165 JimmyTheClaw


Jimmy, you don't know me from Eve, but it sounds like you should really focus on getting yourself back together before you even think about being able to 'rescue' this person. Get out of there.

174 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:29:04pm

re: #167 AmeriDan

My experience, and from what I read of Jimmy's, is way past the bitch part. We're talking psychotic monster.

Multiple police cars and ambulances in the yard at least once a week towards the end of my marriage. A group of cops pulling me aside and saying "she says you're beating her, but she doesn't have any bruises. You need to leave her and town, because we will have to take you in next time regardless."

Needless to say... I now live in a different state.

well she has never outright lied about me as for just leaving its not that easy unless i want to lose all my earthly posessions (i can always call my family that live on the other side of the state) i also dont want to just up and move from a town ive lived in for 15 years

175 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:32:08pm

Obama doesn't work well with others.

176 pat  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:34:58pm

re: #175 DesertSage

Obama doesn't work well with others.

Because he is too stupid to have anyone other than losers around him. He is surrounded by failures.

177 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:36:08pm

re: #174 JimmyTheClaw

well she has never outright lied about me as for just leaving its not that easy unless i want to lose all my earthly posessions (i can always call my family that live on the other side of the state) i also dont want to just up and move from a town ive lived in for 15 years

I had to go hat in hand to family, friends, and co-workers for a year to get back to where I'm am today. I used up most of the goodwill I had garnered over the years. Since replenished.

It's not easy at all, it's damn hard. But look at the alternative?

Save yourself first.

178 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:37:17pm

re: #170 AmeriDan

Hiya Red. You missed the group hug earlier.

/your loss

yeah, but i'm not sticky either... %-)

/cooties

179 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:37:34pm

re: #175 DesertSage

Obama doesn't work well with others.

He is not the Obama I (never) knew.

180 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:37:38pm

well off to bed g'night all

181 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:37:58pm

re: #175 DesertSage

Obama doesn't work well with others.

Well, he got all those other politicians to vote for the legislation he introduced.

No, wait...

182 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:38:12pm

re: #177 AmeriDan

I had to go hat in hand to family, friends, and co-workers for a year to get back to where I'm am today. I used up most of the goodwill I had garnered over the years. Since replenished.

It's not easy at all, it's damn hard. But look at the alternative?

Save yourself first.

thanks

183 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:38:35pm

Good luck Jimmy

184 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:38:37pm

re: #168 Racer X

Life is too short. Dump her. Don't look back.

that's a harsh toke, but it may be the one to take...

185 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:39:46pm

re: #174 JimmyTheClaw

It's just stuff, you will accumulate more, more than you probably really want! You need to sleep someplace where you don't have to barricade the door. That is sure sign the relationship is unhealthy! :)

186 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:39:48pm

re: #178 redc1c4

yeah, but i'm not sticky either... %-)

/cooties

Feh, I've been vacinated and used a body condom.

187 esch  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:39:56pm

re: #177 AmeriDan

Save yourself first.

He speaks sooth.

We'll all be gone far too soon. The money is meaningless, you'll make more and leave it all behind when you go anyways. What you can't get back is the time spent waffling.

188 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:40:08pm

Got my $300 from our generous government (AKA from all of us that PAY taxes), cashed the check, and went to the local watering hole. I'm not sure that I stimulated the economy, but I KNOW I stimulated myself!

189 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:40:18pm

re: #181 Racer X

Well, he got all those other politicians to vote for the legislation he introduced.

No, wait...

He votes PRESENT a lot.
That's very nuanced.
Well, certainly more sophisticated than HERE.

190 esch  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:41:23pm

I'm just going to call him 'poohbama' from now on to my associates.

191 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:41:47pm

re: #182 JimmyTheClaw

thanks

Your welcome. I hope you have a peacefull sleep tonight.

You deserve it.

192 mike volpe  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:44:07pm

I wanted to direct everyone to a concept that I have been following on my blog. It is a vicous tool of retaliation called sham peer review.

It targets doctors for all sorts of reasons and it winds up casting them in a net of corruption.

I have been able to follow the stories of several doctors from all parts of the country and there are thousands more. For instance, here is the story of a doctor that was targeted after he tried to report on a serial killer nurse in South Carolina. Here is the story of a doctor in Texas that was targeted by her corrupt insurance carrier. Also in Texas, the corrupt medical board systematically targets doctors for retaliation. A nurse in a Texas hospital was targeted after he reported on illegal drug testing in the hospital. Finally, in Rhode Island, a doctor was targeted after she reported on a case of child abuse.

I am also working on a story about a doctor in Pennsylvania that was targeted after he reported on child abuse however that story is not quite done.

193 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:45:17pm

re: #187 esch

He speaks sooth.

We'll all be gone far too soon. The money is meaningless, you'll make more and leave it all behind when you go anyways. What you can't get back is the time spent waffling.

Oh, just let the man alone so he can eat his waffle.

/

:)

194 USASupport  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:45:33pm

If quoting an AP story costs money now, I'd love to hear what their argument is on taking a screenshot, and hosting the image where you would have text.

195 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:47:36pm

re: #167 AmeriDan

Well mine tried pushing me down stairs twice, physically assaulted me several times. Not to metion all the mental and emotional abuse she threw at me. There's heaps more to the whole story, but I ran as well. It cost me a lot of my stuff, but it was worth the agony to leave. Took me several years to get my head screwed back on straight, but I am now further ahead today then I was then.

Some times you have to go through hell to understand what heaven really is.

/every person needs at least one crazy ex in their life to appreciate all the good ones.

196 Racer X  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:48:11pm

re: #184 redc1c4

that's a harsh toke, but it may be the one to take...

I've been there - on both sides actually. No sense prolonging the inevitable.

197 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:48:51pm

re: #188 Bob in Breckenridge

Got my $300 from our generous government (AKA from all of us that PAY taxes), cashed the check, and went to the local watering hole. I'm not sure that I stimulated the economy, but I KNOW I stimulated myself!

For 300 bucks you could have paid someone to do it for you. Unless you are the Governor on New Jersey, of course.

198 joecitizen  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:49:10pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Y'all should step outside and llok at the moon. It's fan-fucking-tastic.

gorgeous here in Pittsburgh..g'night ye Lizards..may all yer dreams be scaley...

199 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:50:00pm

How many times has Obama voted "present"?

The man just can not make a decision. How the hell does he think he's ready to be president? Make up your damn mind Obama!

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way! My preference is that you get out of the way!

I'm Dazed & Confused

200 wolfie  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:50:06pm

re: #192 mike volpe

Interesting. Will check this out when I'm more awake!

201 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:50:41pm

re: #197 AmeriDan

For 300 bucks you could have paid someone to do it for you. Unless you are the Governor on New Jersey, of course.

I speaking of drinking only. I'm not about to pay like that idiot client #9, Spitzer.

/Of course, we all pay one way or another, right?

202 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:54:59pm

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Well mine tried pushing me down stairs twice, physically assaulted me several times. Not to metion all the mental and emotional abuse she threw at me. There's heaps more to the whole story, but I ran as well. It cost me a lot of my stuff, but it was worth the agony to leave. Took me several years to get my head screwed back on straight, but I am now further ahead today then I was then.

Some times you have to go through hell to understand what heaven really is.

/every person needs at least one crazy ex in their life to appreciate all the good ones.

Bitch does not even begin to describe her then. Find her a new nickname. I suggest Nappy Headed Ho, oh wait, thats taken. Satan's spawn has a nice ring to it.

Congratulations on making it back. It's a long tough road, indeed.

203 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 18, 2008 11:56:39pm

re: #201 Bob in Breckenridge

/Of course, we all pay one way or another, right?

Ain't that the truth!

204 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:04:23am

My buddy Denny has a great rant at his blog [Link: www.grouchyoldcripple.com...]

All Oil All The Time

So I'm hammered. Y'know, back when I started blogging and was still working for IBM, a lot of my posts were written when I was under the influence of adult beverages. My rants were a lot better then. So, here I am on dialup discussing oil. Jesus H. Christ, there are some really fucking stupid people in this country. And these dipshits vote.

Exhibit 1 is from The Vent.

Bush and the Republicans controlled Congress for six years, and they couldn't pass legislation to drill in Alaska, Gulf Coast or build more refineries. Pelosi and Reid have had a majority in Congress for only 1 1/2 years, and you blame them for these high gas prices. Typical right-wing conservative Republican.
You asinine idiot! Go back to watching American Idol and Do You Know How to Dance. You obviously haven't been paying any attention. For those six years Bush and the Republicans were trying to drill in ANWR. Y'see they have this thing in the Senate (for a booger eatin' moh-ron like you, that's one of the houses of gummint. The other being the House of Representatives.) called a filibuster. The Dimocrats filibustered drilling in ANWR. It requires 60 votes to stop a filibuster. Unfortunately, the Republicans could not muster 60 votes.

The Dimocrats have been against all new drilling. Since they took over Congress gas prices have gone up from $2.13 per gallon to $4 a gallon. Here's a clue for you: Colonel Mustard, in the library with the lead pipe. Now go back to watching Survivor.

What else was in the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation? Yeah. Another cease fire between Israel and Hamas. Yeah. Hamas will honor that for maybe a day at the most.

More flooding in the Midwest. Lots of looting. People shooting at helicopters. Oh wait! That was Nawlins. In the Midwest, people are following evacuation orders. They're helping out sandbagging the levees. They're not waiting for the gummint. Prolly none of them will be lving in FEMA trailers. Didja know that there are still refugees from Nawlins living in hotels? Yep! Some of them might even one day go out and look for a job. That is when they get around to it. I meant to blog on that earlier this week but I didn't get around to it. I was waiting for the gummint to help me out.

But this post is about oil. McRINO and Chimpy McHaliburton Bushitler have finally come to their senses and are calling for offshore drilling.

President Bush plans to make a renewed push today to get Congress to end a long-standing ban on offshore oil and gas drilling, echoing a call by GOP presidential candidate John McCain.
I am so fucked! This is an AP story and I expect their lawyers to come after me and charge me $1 million a word for citing their article.

With oil prices soaring and motorists paying $4 a gallon for gasoline, political pressures have been growing for more domestic oil and gas production.
Just remember, Nancy Pelosi said that if we turned Congress over to the Dimocrats they would fix the high gas prices. Turns out their definition of "fixing gas prices" meant doubling them. Great job Nancy.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, opposes lifting the ban on offshore drilling and says that allowing exploration now wouldn't affect gasoline prices for at least five years.
WTF? Does this idiot realize how stupid this sounds? Let's do nothing. In five years when gas is $6 a gallon he can say that if we allow exploration it won't affect gas prices for five years when they will be $8 a gallon. This is gonna be our next president. Think about this as you are spending $50 to fill up your tank. This dipstick will make Jimmah Carter look like a good president.

Part 2 to follow...

205 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:04:41am

Man I could go on forever. Robert Samuelson has an op-ed about what is ahead.

We all know that gasoline is at $4 a gallon and oil is around $135 a barrel. But if you think that's the end of the story, don't talk to economist Jeffrey Rubin of CIBC World Markets. By Rubin's reckoning, we've barely passed the halfway point on a steady march upward that will take gasoline to $7 a gallon and oil to $225 by 2012. Despite fluctuations, the underlying rise, he says, will have pervasive and surprising side effects. Among them:
Thank Chuck "the schmuck" Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Dick "Turban" Durban", Harry Reid, Jug Hussein Ears, Thunder Rodent Thighs, and the rest of the Dimocrat Party and the RINOs.

U.S. manufacturers benefit, because rising ocean-freight costs —- reflecting fuel prices —- make imports more expensive. Some production returns to the United States, and some shifts from Asia to closer exporters (Mexico over China). Since 2000, estimates Rubin, the cost of shipping a 40-foot container from East Asia has gone from $3,000 to $8,000. With oil at $200 a barrel, the shipping cost would be $15,000.
That's the good news.

Inflation becomes more stubborn. For years, the Federal Reserve has focused on so-called core inflation —- prices minus energy and food. The justification is that large food and energy-price changes usually reverse themselves. But if they move steadily higher, that logic collapses. "While core inflation may be barely over 2 percent, that's only of solace if you don't eat or drive," Rubin says. Overall inflation is twice that, about 4 percent
Which means Paulson will have to raise interest rates as we're going into a recession. Hello stagflation. Hello Jimmah Carter's second term, but hey, we will have elected our first black president (as long as we don't count BJ) so we will have proved that we have overvcome racism.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God! Free at last! If it only didn't cost so much fucking money to be free at last.

Two distressed industries —- home building and autos —- suffer further. "In two years, there will be fewer Americans driving," he says. Higher gasoline prices push people to mass transit and car pools. Home prices take another hit, especially in distant suburbs with long commutes. "People won't be able to afford what they used to afford," he says.
The libs will finally do sumpin' about sprawl. Fuck the American dream. Think about that as you vote for Dimocrats.

Finally, the holy crap moment. The AJC actually had an editorial about not blaming big oil. No. This can't be true. I must be hallucinating. All I had was a couple of Stoly's on the rocks and a half bottle of wine. How did this editorial get past Cynthia Tucker?

Guess I better go have a glass of grappa. Or two.

Admit it! Don't I write better when I'm drinking?

And I get to deal with AT&T tech support tomorrow when I'm hungover.

Whoopie!

206 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:10:24am

A related song for tonight on the DT...

If you're going through hell,

keep on going.

Don't slow down,

If you're scared don't show it.

You might get out,

'fore the Devil even knows your there.

207 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:11:54am

I adore Julie Banderas. Pretty and Funny.

208 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:14:24am

"If you are going through hell, keep going."

That's a Winston Churchill quote.

& here are the San Gabriel Mountains in the bright moonlight, at the moment.

209 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:18:51am

re: #208 Ojoe

Nice view.

210 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:19:27am

re: #208 Ojoe

"If you are going through hell, keep going."

That's a Winston Churchill quote.

& here are the San Gabriel Mountains in the bright moonlight, at the moment.

it was hot enough today to make me think we were at least on the outskirts.

nice canyon breeze now...

/midnight pool dip? %-)

211 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:20:15am

here's a Paul Thorn song more than a few people here will be able to relate to...

it's a great day

212 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:21:43am

re: #205 Bob in Breckenridge

Admit it! Don't I write better when I'm drinking?

I thought you said Denny wrote it.

213 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:24:39am

re: #188 Bob in Breckenridge


Huh...some of the stores around here are offering a 10% bonus if you use your stimulus check to buy a gift card (which I think can be turned around to purchase gift cards for various resturants, gas stations, airlines, pre-paid credit cards etc)...so $300 would get you $330 worth of gift cards, $600 would get you $660 worth of gift cards and so on...

I'm wondering if it's worthwhile.

214 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:25:03am

re: #211 redc1c4

Beautiful piece of music. Going to use it for those *special* occassions.

215 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:27:03am

re: #211 redc1c4

here's a Paul Thorn song more than a few people here will be able to relate to...

it's a great day

Or try this one to start the day.

It's A Great Day To Be Alive.

216 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:44:58am

So I have the place to myself now? Maybe a lurker or two left but nobody commenting.

No problem, I'll just share the music that I'm listening to.

Country music.

There is a song for every person, problem, situation, etc. in country music.

They are all Songs About Me. And you.

217 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:47:02am

re: #215 AmeriDan

Or try this one to start the day.

It's A Great Day To Be Alive.

nice song, but a bit too up for me... especially first thing in the morning

gimme the sleep that burns

218 Caton  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:47:15am

re: #216 AmeriDan

Maybe a lurker or two left but nobody commenting.

I'm monitoring the hudna in Gaza.

Almost five hours without a rocket landing in Israel... Incredible.

219 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:47:22am

re: #216 AmeriDan

Well, I've spent too much time today reading LGF... since my last post I've done several chores and even went to the grocery story...

The Bacterial Evolution thread is still getting some attention - perhaps if you hung out there you might find more love.

220 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:48:21am

re: #216 AmeriDan

So I have the place to myself now? Maybe a lurker or two left but nobody commenting.

No problem, I'll just share the music that I'm listening to.

Country music.

There is a song for every person, problem, situation, etc. in country music.

They are all Songs About Me. And you.

yeah, but i wanna talk about me!

221 Racer X  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:50:39am
222 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 12:54:15am

re: #219 freetoken

Well, I've spent too much time today reading LGF... since my last post I've done several chores and even went to the grocery story...

The Bacterial Evolution thread is still getting some attention - perhaps if you hung out there you might find more love.

No thanks. I'll stick to the dead thread.

It's A Real Fine Place To Start.

/babe alert

223 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:06:13am

If anyone is drinking tonight... don't forget...

Beer for my your horses.

224 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:12:33am

I've never experienced life in a northern town- not counting Navy A school- I wonder what it's like?

225 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:12:39am

re: #223 AmeriDan

If anyone is drinking tonight... don't forget...

Beer for my your horses.

you mean there are people who *don't* drink?

that explains the world's problems

/horrified

226 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:16:30am

re: #224 AmeriDan

Damn cold in the winter. Great if you love winter sports, otherwise you're SOL.

/REALLY experienced.

227 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:26:54am

re: #226 BlueCanuck

Damn cold in the winter. Great if you love winter sports, otherwise you're SOL.

/REALLY experienced.

Yeah, I left Great Lakes in the fall, and was about to freeze to death.

I'll stay in the Boondocks.

228 Render  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:28:53am

Mornin all...

I'm bringing this forward from the bloodbath of an ID thread. Mostly because it didn't belong there, partially because I think it deserves a morning shift perusal, and lastly because I get to fix a really annoying typo...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

BATTLE
STATIONS,
R

229 Render  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:29:11am

You’re disgusted with the GOP for giving us such a “crappy” candidate?

You think that your little political issues are more important than winning this war?

So you’re going to send the GOP a “message” by not voting in this election?

Your null vote is a vote for Obama and the DNC.

The same Obama that said this...

"I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning; and as president, I will end it.

"Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems.

"I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Review is not used to justify unnecessary defense spending.

"Third, I will set a goal for a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal."

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

Obama did not say “win” this war he clearly said “end it.”

In war the only opposite of the word “win” is “lose” because a draw is only a postponement.

An Obama who has said this repeatedly...

“Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.”

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

As if a crushed and rapidly disolving al Qaeda in Iraq was Iraq’s only problem in the post Saddam world. What message does this send to those nations, (Turkey, Qatar, and Dijibouti), in that region that already have large US bases? What happens 15 months later to the last one or two US brigades in Iraq as the resurgent Iranian trained, supplied, and led Shia militias close down Iraq’s only ports of access to the sea? What happens to the US allied Iraqi military when they are cut off from their American sources of supply?

What message has Obama sent to the enemy by revealing his timetable like this? Not just to the enemy who now knows that if Obama is elected they only have to wait 16 months to retake all that they have lost over the last eight years. Not just to those nations in the region still sitting on the fence, what has Obama’s 16 months until enemy victory message sent to our tenuous allies in the region?

And you think you’re sending a message to the GOP by not pulling the right lever?

[Link: www.ford.utexas.edu...]

I can’t hear your message, it’s drowned out by other messages.

THAT’S
THE
WAY,
R

230 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:30:39am

re: #229 Render

Great comment, Render!

231 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:34:32am

re: #225 redc1c4

you mean there are people who *don't* drink?

that explains the world's problems

/horrified

Apparently so... I'm drunk... how 'bout you?

232 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:35:02am

RENDER,

Did you alter your life recently in a life altering way?

/if so, MAZEL TOV! :-)

233 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:35:18am

re: #221 Racer X

Rodney Carrington - Today's The Day My Wife Met My Girlfriend
What I'm listening to.

This guy's a riot!

234 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:35:22am

Je ne suis pas drunk.

235 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:37:03am

re: #232 littleoldlady

RENDER,

Did you alter your life recently in a life altering way?

/if so, MAZEL TOV! :-)

Yes! He's not using the

R

To sign anymore!

/ducks annd runs...

Ooh, that guy shoots fast!

236 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:37:45am

re: #231 AmeriDan

Apparently so... I'm drunk... how 'bout you?

Unfortunately I am sober as a judge. Problem with working the night shift. On the upside I don't have to worry about the Iron Fist rule.

237 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:39:21am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately I am sober as a judge. Problem with working the night shift. On the upside I don't have to worry about the Iron Fist rule.

Mr Iron Fist has saved me from a couple of embarrasments lol

I'm grateful to his rule ;)

238 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:41:09am

re: #235 MigueldowninMexico

I need my eyes checked... ;-)

Miguelito! :-)

DAN! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

239 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:41:50am

Hello littleoldlady! :)

240 Render  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:42:59am

re: #230 MigueldowninMexico

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all...until Charles pulls the plug.

re: #232 littleoldlady

um...No M'am. We're working on it though, if that's what you had in mind.

HOLD YOUR
HEAD UP,
R

241 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:44:32am

re: #240 Render

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all...until Charles pulls the plug.

re: #232 littleoldlady

um...No M'am. We're working on it though, if that's what you had in mind.

HOLD YOUR
HEAD UP,
R

And then, let the lizard friends in the know ! lol

/Too curious...

242 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:45:22am

Render.
I don't think that Charles would ever pull the plug on you, btw ;)

243 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:46:16am

re: #240 Render

I thought I saw somebody post those three magic words...

/Gossip Mongers 'R Us
//stealing Miguel's job... ;-)

244 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:46:30am

re: #238 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady.

245 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:47:11am

re: #232 littleoldlady

Good morning littleold lady. I had this thread to myself for a little while and was linking my favorite videos/songs that I like.

I'll do at least one more... because I'll do anything just to see you smile.

246 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:47:36am

I'm trying to remember the last time I voted FOR someone for President as opposed to AGAINST.

/I think it was Gerald Ford...

247 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:47:36am

re: #243 littleoldlady

I thought I saw somebody post those three magic words...

/Gossip Mongers 'R Us
//stealing Miguel's job... ;-)

:O (open mouth)

My job?

Ok, I'm good at what I do, I'll concede that!

Are you getting married Render?

/They call me the King of subtetly.

ROFL!

248 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:48:25am

re: #246 littleoldlady

I'm trying to remember the last time I voted FOR someone for President as opposed to AGAINST.

/I think it was Gerald Ford...

Reagan '84.

249 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:48:51am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately I am sober as a judge. Problem with working the night shift. On the upside I don't have to worry about the Iron Fist rule.

neither do i...

what, me worry?

250 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:49:37am

re: #238 littleoldlady

I need my eyes checked... ;-)

Miguelito! :-)

DAN! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Cougar! %-)

/white smoke

251 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:50:23am

Good Morning!

252 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:50:40am

re: #251 MajorPribluda

Good Morning!

Good morning, Major!

253 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:51:36am

re: #249 redc1c4

How old is he now? around 70?

/Alfred E is one bald-headed, toothless GIT now, and voting for Obama!

"Yeah, YOU! WORRY about Obama!"

254 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:51:45am

re: #249 redc1c4

Hey, where did you get a picture of my brother?

/jk, but that was his nick in high school
//uncanny resemblance.

255 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:52:54am

re: #254 BlueCanuck

Please accept my sincere condolences!

:D

256 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:54:16am

re: #255 Karridine

Please accept my sincere condolences!

:D

LOL

257 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:55:05am

we're trying something new in tonight's fruit cup...

hope you like it!

/experiments R us %-)

258 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:55:05am

I better don't laugh. I'm 60 and look 65 going into 90

///

259 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:55:53am

re: #245 AmeriDan

Nice one! :-)

re: #248 MigueldowninMexico

I'm having trouble remembering that election. :-/ Not being a big fan of Reagan at the time, I guess it was for whoever ran against him.

red! :-)

BlueCanuck is here to guard the goodies.
/nah nah! ;-)

Hiya Major! :-)

260 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:56:05am

Red, not that Ukainian vodka again!

261 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:56:16am

re: #229 Render

The reply? I guess it will be 'That'll show them!'

262 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:56:24am

Karridine! :-)

263 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:57:10am

Fenway! :-)

/will you all kindly sit still?! I'm getting dizzy...

264 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:57:32am

re: #255 Karridine

Actually it was a badge of pride for him. :)

/grew up on all the old ones.

//face wasn't that bad looking.

265 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:57:52am

re: #259 littleoldlady

Nice one! :-)

re: #248 MigueldowninMexico

(snipage occurs)

BlueCanuck is here to guard the goodies.
/nah nah! ;-)

and we've all seen how well *that's* w*rked out in the past... %-)

/evil chuckle

266 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:58:02am

...

267 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:58:21am

re: #257 redc1c4

we're trying something new in tonight's fruit cup...

hope you like it!

/experiments R us %-)

Uh, you do know I'm subject to drug testing at work, right?

/

268 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:59:00am

re: #260 MigueldowninMexico

Red, not that Ukainian vodka again!


Polish it is then...

/and a lil somethin else %-)

269 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:59:05am

re: #262 littleoldlady

Little Olde!
Miguelito Down and Out and Around in Mexico!
Rec C4 !
AmeriDan
Render!

Lurkers! (Lurkers unite, you have nothing to lose but yr anonymity!)
Commenters!
Readers!

(pant-pant!)

HUMANKIND! ... Howdy! :D

270 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:59:22am

re: #266 MigueldowninMexico

...

Don't know where those dotes came from.

/I blame red and his tricks...

271 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:59:28am

Who could say no to some fruitcup?

272 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 1:59:36am

re: #267 AmeriDan

Uh, you do know I'm subject to drug testing at work, right?

/

so you get to practice here...

/your scores will improve. %-)

273 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

274 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:00:22am

re: #264 BlueCanuck

Yeah, that was a sought-after mag when I got out of the house... not allowed in Dad's fambly... but my caricaturing owes a lot to Mort Drucker...

275 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:02am

re: #265 redc1c4

*big bronx cheer*

/I will get you one of these days.

276 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:08am

re: #273 littleoldlady

Wow! Perfect timing, Little Olde! :)

277 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:10am

HUMANKIND?

/wrong thread? ;-)

278 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:11am

re: #269 Karridine

Little Olde!
Miguelito Down and Out and Around in Mexico!
Rec C4 !
AmeriDan
Render!

Lurkers! (Lurkers unite, you have nothing to lose but yr anonymity!)
Commenters!
Readers!

(pant-pant!)

HUMANKIND! ... Howdy! :D

Hahahaha Karridine.

I was a bit down and out a few hours ago but I entered LGF and felt sooo good. It's like home-on-the-net.

I could appreciate the wonderful lizards ;)

Not down and out anymore thanks to LGF ;)

279 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:49am

{[{MIGUELITO!}]}

280 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:01:57am

re: #269 Karridine

Little Olde!
Miguelito Down and Out and Around in Mexico!
Rec C4 !
AmeriDan
Render!

Lurkers! (Lurkers unite, you have nothing to lose but yr anonymity!)
Commenters!
Readers!

(pant-pant!)

HUMANKIND! ... Howdy! :D

Fine, but what would Carridine have to say about this?

281 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:03:07am

re: #279 littleoldlady

{[{MIGUELITO!}]}

{Littleoldlady!}

:)

282 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:03:56am

re: #280 AmeriDan

Awww, he's probably playing pinochle with Dr Jekyll in the basement!

283 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:03:59am

re: #271 Fenway_Nation

Who could say no to some fruitcup?

ever notice LoL never has any?

/just sayin... %-)

284 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:04:51am

re: #280 AmeriDan

Sorry. See Comment #7, above, Dan

285 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:04:59am

re: #283 redc1c4

ever notice LoL never has any?

/just sayin... %-)

I've noticed you sneaking behind the buffet table every morning though!


No wonder I feel dizzy...

286 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:05:00am

re: #273 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you.

*commences scarfing down fruitcup*

287 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:05:52am

re: #283 redc1c4

ever notice LoL never has any?

/just sayin... %-)

BUSTED!

/I confess!

288 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:06:07am

re: #275 BlueCanuck

*big bronx cheer*

/I will get you one of these days.

yeah, sure...

/gingerbread man

289 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:06:26am

re: #278 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha Karridine.

I was a bit down and out a few hours ago but I entered LGF and felt sooo good. It's like home-on-the-net.

I could appreciate the wonderful lizards ;)

Not down and out anymore thanks to LGF ;)

Looks like someone needs another group hug.

:)

290 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:07:00am

re: #287 littleoldlady

BUSTED!

/I confess!

Hey! That was a mouth-melting pic!

Mmmm...

291 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:07:41am

re: #289 AmeriDan

Looks like someone needs another group hug.

:)

Me again I guess lol

I got the first one, altough I passed on Blue's bums ;)

292 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:08:01am

re: #252 MigueldowninMexico

Good morning, Major!

Hola--sorry for the delay. Busy while Lizarding.

293 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:08:26am

re: #292 MajorPribluda

Hola--sorry for the delay. Busy while Lizarding.

Lizarding! LOL
That's a good verb

294 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:08:32am

re: #287 littleoldlady
That's it LoL, now we'll get such a howl out of vxbush we'll never hear the end of it.

295 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:09:16am

re: #286 AmeriDan

Thank you.

*commences scarfing down fruitcup*

/commences countdown to ecstasy

296 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:10:44am

re: #289 AmeriDan

Looks like someone needs another group hug.

:)

then i'm for bed...

L8r!

/cooties

297 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:10:57am

re: #289 AmeriDan

I recall the time I took my friend's suggestion, and went with a blind date to a house/private home of some rich guy, and when we got there, it was a no-clothes-barred Group Grope!

Pile of naked people on the livingroom floor, and about 3 minutes for the girl and I to take our leave. Didnt let the door hit us on the way out!

/NOT my style! :(

298 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:10:58am

re: #294 Panhandler

Panhandler! ;-)

Ever notice how she and I are never on the threads at the same time? Hmmm?

/SOMEBODY's got to guard the CHOCOLATE!

299 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:11:16am

re: #296 redc1c4

then i'm for bed...

L8r!

/cooties

Bye red...

300 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:11:55am
301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:11:58am
302 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:13:21am

re: #284 Karridine

Sorry. See Comment #7, above, Dan

No need for a sorry.

I saw your #7 comment earlier while I was at work lurking and had planned to use it sometime in the future to mess with your head. Who'd have thunk it would happen on the same thread?

303 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:13:38am

re: #298 littleoldlady

But I KNOW who you are, Little Olde... and all I need do to let everyone know your secret identity is ask: "Has ANYONE ever seen Little Olde Ladye and Spiderman in the same place, at the same time?"

BUSTED!

304 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:14:08am

re: #298 littleoldlady

Panhandler! ;-)

Ever notice how she and I are never on the threads at the same time? Hmmm?

/SOMEBODY's got to guard the CHOCOLATE!

red! Is nothing sacrosanct?

305 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:14:52am

Karridine
I didn't get it. You said it was at a rich guy's house.
But they were so poor they didn't even have clothes, poor souls!

Tsk. tsk.

306 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:14:54am

re: #302 AmeriDan

while I was ... lurking...

LMAO! :D

307 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:14:54am

Night red have a good sleep.

308 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:15:20am

re: #273 littleoldlady

Mmmm... something to go with my cottage cheese as I prepare to watch Quiet Earth as recommended by zombie...

309 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:15:34am

re: #296 redc1c4

Miguel DOES NOT have cooties!

/you meanie, you!

310 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:15:55am

re: #309 littleoldlady

Miguel DOES NOT have cooties!

/you meanie, you!

Only Q tips.

311 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:16:09am

re: #305 MigueldowninMexico

They were poor, in more ways than that, Miguel...

Swingin' Sixties... guess they just swang right on past me!

312 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:17:20am

re: #303 Karridine

Why are my hands sticky?

re: #304 Panhandler

Why are my hands sticky?

/cool. multi-purpose answers... ;-)

313 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:17:38am

re: #311 Karridine

They were poor, in more ways than that, Miguel...

Swingin' Sixties... guess they just swang right on past me!

uh oh, Those sixties were dangerous indeed!

Good reflection on possesions ;)

314 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:18:31am

freetoken! :-)

That looks...um...so healthy! ;-)

315 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:18:44am

re: #312 littleoldlady

Why are my hands sticky?

re: #304 Panhandler

Why are my hands sticky?

/cool. multi-purpose answers... ;-)

Because you grabed the honey jar?

316 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:20:20am

re: #297 Karridine

I recall the time I took my friend's suggestion, and went with a blind date to a house/private home of some rich guy, and when we got there, it was a no-clothes-barred Group Grope!

Pile of naked people on the livingroom floor, and about 3 minutes for the girl and I to take our leave. Didnt let the door hit us on the way out!

/NOT my style! :(

I feel your pain. I'm only comfortable in a pile of naked people when there is a 10 to 1 ratio of opposite sexes. I would, of course, be the one.

/a guy can dream, can't he?

317 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:21:25am

re: #312 littleoldlady

Where are your HANDS sticky? Where you've been... uhm...

fondling fruitcup fixins'

318 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:22:11am

who stole the cookies nuggets from the cookie Jar?
Whas it you?
Me? It well could be!

Channeling LoL

319 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:23:06am

re: #316 AmeriDan

THAT dream turns to a nightmare REAL QUICK, Danny Boyo!

If YOU had to keep 10 beauties serviced and satisfied, the glow would VERY SOON rub off the dream, Bunky! Real Soon!

320 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:23:10am

re: #315 MigueldowninMexico

Because you grabed the honey jar?

Winnie the Pooh is voting for Obama ... :-(

/no longer a fan

321 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:24:36am

re: #308 freetoken

Hmmm cottage cheese, chives(or scallions), lemon zest, fresh ground pepper, and salt. Now that's what I call delicious.

322 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:24:55am

re: #319 Karridine

THAT dream turns to a nightmare REAL QUICK, Danny Boyo!

If YOU had to keep 10 beauties serviced and satisfied, the glow would VERY SOON rub off the dream, Bunky! Real Soon!

re: #320 littleoldlady

Winnie the Pooh is voting for Obama ... :-(

/no longer a fan

The 100 acre wood is all for CHANGE!

323 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:26:19am

Another one bites the dust? LOL!

324 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:27:40am

re: #319 Karridine

THAT dream turns to a nightmare REAL QUICK, Danny Boyo!

If YOU had to keep 10 beauties serviced and satisfied, the glow would VERY SOON rub off the dream, Bunky! Real Soon!

Imagine those poor bustards with 72!
ROFL!

325 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:28:33am

re: #306 Karridine

while I was ... lurking...

LMAO! :D

I have my moments.

/still linking songs... this thread will be my library.

326 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:30:17am

re: #324 MigueldowninMexico

"Oh, NO, Achmed! I'm NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL!"

"Me either!"

"NO! NO TOUCHEE, Ahmed!"

Aaaagh! I'm in HELL!

/well, duh, YEAH!

327 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:32:40am

re: #326 Karridine

"Oh, NO, Achmed! I'm NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL!"

"Me either!"

"NO! NO TOUCHEE, Ahmed!"

Aaaagh! I'm in HELL!

/well, duh, YEAH!

That's a hot situation

The coran says: "fire above,fire below, fire in front, fire behind, fire to the sides"

They really enjoy it don't they?
Hmmm...

328 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:34:44am

re: #319 Karridine

THAT dream turns to a nightmare REAL QUICK, Danny Boyo!

If YOU had to keep 10 beauties serviced and satisfied, the glow would VERY SOON rub off the dream, Bunky! Real Soon!

I'm not saying I would make it out alive. Just a thought.

/single, drinking, etc.

//And yes, littleoldlady, I'm fine.

///just goofing around and having fun

:)

329 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:36:11am

re: #321 BlueCanuck

Hmmm cottage cheese, chives(or scallions), lemon zest, fresh ground pepper, and salt. Now that's what I call delicious.

Mmmm...

330 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:37:18am

re: #324 MigueldowninMexico

re: #326 Karridine

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU! ! !

331 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:39:48am
332 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:40:21am

re: #328 AmeriDan

I'm not saying I would make it out alive. Just a thought.

/single, drinking, etc.

//And yes, littleoldlady, I'm fine.

///just goofing around and having fun

:)

If you'r goofing around, I'm Mickey Mouseing around;)

My icon shows it lol

333 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:40:54am

re: #321 BlueCanuck

Hmmm cottage cheese, chives(or scallions), lemon zest, fresh ground pepper, and salt. Now that's what I call delicious.

Ewww!

334 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:40:57am

re: #330 AmeriDan

re: #326 Karridine

NO VIRGINS FOR YOU! ! !

Can I get two at least?

335 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:41:18am
336 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:41:59am

re: #335 ploome hineni

georgous avatar

It's my alter ego lol ;)

Thanks

337 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:42:35am

re: #332 MigueldowninMexico

If you'r goofing around, I'm Mickey Mouseing around;)

My icon shows it lol

I guess I should have clicked on it for a close up. I thought it was a picture of Obama.

338 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:42:49am

re: #330 AmeriDan

Is that a promise?

/Thank G-d! :D

/and thank you, Ameri Fatwa Dan

339 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:43:06am

re: #331 ploome hineni

the Brits KNOW what's important

Extremist preacher freed on bail in setback to British government

and

Schoolboy hacker Omar Khan who upped his grades faces 38 years in jail

WE ARE SO DOOMED

If Britain knew that anti-Appeasement America views Britain the way that anti-appeasement Britain viewed France in 1938, they would spit their tea.

340 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:43:21am

re: #337 AmeriDan

I guess I should have clicked on it for a close up. I thought it was a picture of Obama.

Sombady has already made a photoshop of Obama with Mickey's ears lol

341 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:43:46am

re: #334 MigueldowninMexico

Can I get two at least?

No

342 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:43:48am
343 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:43:58am

plooome! :-)

344 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:44:32am

re: #341 AmeriDan

No

Darn.

345 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:45:30am

re: #338 Karridine

Is that a promise?

/Thank G-d! :D

/and thank you, Ameri Fatwa Dan

Don't make me go all Jihadi on you.

/

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:45:44am
347 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:45:58am

re: #345 AmeriDan

Don't make me go all Jihadi on you.

/

LOL

348 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:46:23am

re: #344 MigueldowninMexico

Darn.

Ask me later, I'm all about redemption.

349 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:46:42am

re: #348 AmeriDan

Ask me later, I'm all about redemption.

Hahahahaha.

350 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:47:59am

re: #331 ploome hineni

Hey ploome.

351 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:48:23am

ploomie! :)

352 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:49:40am
353 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:56:17am

re: #342 MajorPribluda

Yi-Ha.

Did you mean... Yee Haw!

354 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:01:47am

Hey, People! Here's Joe American going all Red-White-and-Blue on Obama, Hillary and McCain!

It is short, powerful and WELL THOUGHT OUT!

355 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:02:57am

Well [verybigsigh] my time has expired here this morning. [sob!]

Good day, ALL!™

356 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:06:52am

re: #354 Karridine

Hey, People! Here's Joe American going all Red-White-and-Blue on Obama, Hillary and McCain!

It is short, powerful and WELL THOUGHT OUT!

Good one.

People should think long and hard before they take on the roll of Mr. Mom.

357 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:07:49am

night littleoldlady. See you at sunday buffet.

358 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:08:34am

re: #355 littleoldlady

Well [verybigsigh] my time has expired here this morning. [sob!]

Good day, ALL!™

Have a most wonderfull day. You are the best.

359 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:11:08am

re: #357 BlueCanuck

night littleoldlady. See you at sunday buffet.

What are you still doing here Blue? Didn't I ban you earlier?

:)

360 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:17:23am

re: #359 AmeriDan

Careful there, I might use the stick on you.

/looks around for my clue by four. should be here somewhere.

361 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:21:49am

re: #360 BlueCanuck

Careful there, I might use the stick on you.

/looks around for my clue by four. should be here somewhere.

Yeah, right, like I need a clue.

/Don't make me break out the red marker and start "checkin".

362 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:25:22am
363 opnion  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:31:37am

Good Morning Lizards. How did that Evolution thread go last night?
A lot of sensitivity.A couple of times I posted somethng & got an angry respose back to something that I did not actually say Oh well.
Overnight Interleague baseball results. !4 interleague games, the American leagued won 8. Summing up the last two nights,
American League 21, National League 8. Hmmm

364 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:34:21am

re: #363 opnion

Good Morning Lizards.

Morning opnion.

365 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:35:05am

re: #363 opnion

Good Morning Lizards. How did that Evolution thread go last night?

Oddly enough, Charles won again.

366 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:35:58am

re: #353 AmeriDan

Did you mean... Yee Haw!

Naw. Nawt at awl.

367 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:36:45am

re: #363 opnion

We had an evolution thread?

/skim on by those now a days.

368 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:37:48am

The Goodre: #366 MajorPribluda

Naw. Nawt at awl.

Stuff

Sorry, me no speaka de english.

369 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:41:52am
370 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:50:49am
371 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:54:43am
372 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:58:43am

re: #365 MajorPribluda

Oddly enough, Charles won again.

He's undefeated by my count.

373 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 3:59:16am

Old School.

Sorry, LGF wigged out on me for a minute.

374 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:02:02am

You know that if you go to youtube and search for "America", the first page of results yields three types of things: anti-America, pro-America, and things which have absolutely nothing to do with America.

And the only things even remotely in the pro-American category are songs by Kim Wilde, Supertramp, and Neil Diamond.

So I'm listening to Neil Diamond's America, for the first time in over twenty years.

Oddly enough, I still know all the words.

375 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:02:28am

re: #372 AmeriDan

He's undefeated by my count.

Eerie, that.

376 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:03:57am

re: #374 MajorPribluda

I love that song... listening now.

377 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:04:37am

Well, these days, Neil Diamond looks like Bill O'Reilly and sounds like Lou Dobbs.

378 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:06:20am

Good morning, Lizards.

379 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:07:52am

Good Morning! We're having Neil Diamond over for breakfast. In which he asserts that he exists...

380 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:14:13am

Morning goddess

381 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:15:06am

Here's what I think Neil Diamond was trying to say. Jim Croce.

382 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:15:39am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning goddess.

383 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:16:33am

re: #380 BlueCanuck

Morning goddess

I saw your earlier comment about skimming past the evolution threads. I'm actually getting a little depressed about them--instead of the warmth and common ground we lizards share, they tend to become contentious to no purpose, I have enough drama and conflict in my real life--I don't need it in my virtual one,

384 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:20:22am

re: #383 goddessoftheclassroom

I saw your earlier comment about skimming past the evolution threads. I'm actually getting a little depressed about them--instead of the warmth and common ground we lizards share, they tend to become contentious to no purpose, I have enough drama and conflict in my real life--I don't need it in my virtual one,

Most dead threads turn into those these days.

385 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:22:36am

re: #383 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, I used to peruse them when they first popped up. But after the third or fourth one with everybody screaming at each other, I decided to just give them a pass. I got a lot better things to angst over than what a fellow lizard feels about a touchy subject like that.

/besides I would probably infuriate a lot of people with my beliefs. ;)

386 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:22:43am

re: #384 AmeriDan

Most dead threads turn into those these days.

If the Morning Dead Thread and Breakfast Buffet does, I'll cry. 'm serious.

387 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:23:45am

re: #380 BlueCanuck

Youse still around lurkin?

388 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:26:06am

re: #387 AmeriDan

Youse still around lurkin?

Damn, forget to re-engage the holograpic lurking cloak

/fades back into the mists of electrons and becomes one with the blog

389 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:27:49am

re: #386 goddessoftheclassroom

If the Morning Dead Thread and Breakfast Buffet does, I'll cry. 'm serious.

I know. Last night's late DT was relatively free of it, but that's a rarity these days.

390 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:28:50am

re: #383 goddessoftheclassroom

I saw your earlier comment about skimming past the evolution threads. I'm actually getting a little depressed about them--instead of the warmth and common ground we lizards share, they tend to become contentious to no purpose, I have enough drama and conflict in my real life--I don't need it in my virtual one,

I feel the same way, Goddess. Everybody is absolutely convinced they are right. On those threads you can just feel the tension. Hell, I even jumped all over right wing zephyr for no reason. Anyway I'll just skip them from now on, I don't need that kind of pressure.

391 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:29:32am

re: #389 AmeriDan

I know. Last night's late DT was relatively free of it, but that's a rarity these days.

But it wasn't fun. I know that sounds a little pathetic, but as I've observed before, commonality in a community is more important to cohesiveness than diversity.

392 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:31:14am

Morning everyone. A cool crisp am here in south jersey, and I managed to beat the garbage truck tot he curb. Already a great day.

393 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:31:52am

re: #390 rightwinger3

I feel the same way, Goddess. Everybody is absolutely convinced they are right. On those threads you can just feel the tension. Hell, I even jumped all over right wing zephyr for no reason. Anyway I'll just skip them from now on, I don't need that kind of pressure.

I don't mind explaining my beliefs and disagreeing with anyone else's, but I do mind being told my beliefs are "wrong" or the implication that I'm stupid for believing them.

394 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:32:23am

re: #388 BlueCanuck

Damn, forget to re-engage the holograpic lurking cloak

/fades back into the mists of electrons and becomes one with the blog

If I didn't already have you on my list, with multiple check marks beside your name... I would... uh, put you on my list and add checkmarks.

/cloak that Mr Hide and Seek

395 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:32:44am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

I know, they aren't as fun as they used to be. Some people, who won't be named, apparently took exception to the kibbitzing that happens on the dead threads. When they aren't around we do poke fun at the comments but I know I just dread them showing up and trying to smack us down.

/dang did it again. :)

396 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:33:46am

We're mostly all conservatives on LGF, and sometimes it can sound like an echo chamber without a discussion highlighting the difference. I've learned very interesting things on the ID threads. They are challenging, but that's a good thing. It creates too much cognitive dissonance for some people, that's OK too.

397 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:35:56am

re: #395 BlueCanuck

I know, they aren't as fun as they used to be. Some people, who won't be named, apparently took exception to the kibbitzing that happens on the dead threads. When they aren't around we do poke fun at the comments but I know I just dread them showing up and trying to smack us down.

/dang did it again. :)

I don't even think there's a standard vocabulary of terms for the discussion.

398 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:37:31am

re: #397 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't even think there's a standard vocabulary of terms for the discussion.

Quite right. What gets me is that whenever I try to get terms straight, some peckahwood troll starts dancing.

399 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:37:52am

re: #396 DistantThunder

We're mostly all conservatives on LGF, and sometimes it can sound like an echo chamber without a discussion highlighting the difference. I've learned very interesting things on the ID threads. They are challenging, but that's a good thing. It creates too much cognitive dissonance for some people, that's OK too.

I don't mind discussion; I do mind insults. "Echo chamber" suggests people thoughtless agreeing with each other; shared opinions are not the same thing.

400 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:39:30am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

The DT is a bit more quiescent, still, in more ways than one.

I believe what we are witnessing, and in what we are partaking, is part of the process long foretold for the "right", "conservative", and/or "Republican" body politic. While Charles may not be on the ultra-bleeding edge of this, he is still pretty far ahead of the pack.

It was a fairly strange bedfellow-pact, between libertarians and the religious conservatives. IMO it was more a reaction to the 60's/70's Democrat majority in government and the subsequent expansion of government that drove various groups to coalesce politically.

Times change, and social organizations must change with them.

401 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:40:12am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

But it wasn't fun. I know that sounds a little pathetic, but as I've observed before, commonality in a community is more important to cohesiveness than diversity.

Exactly, everyone is on edge waiting for someone to pop in and and respond to a comment made many hours ago that has long been hashed out. Then it all starts again, as if the same points and counter-points haven't been argued to death already.

I had fun last night (early morning) though.

402 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:44:16am

Good morning, LGF!

(Or talk.origins, as the case may be)

As a veteran of Usenet, it's interesting to observe that the gun control issue that generated such a volume of posts back in the day on talk.politics.guns is largely a nonissue here, but if you haul in topics from some of the other talk groups, like talk.abortion, or talk.origins, it's a real battle. The signal to noise ratio is a lot better here than it was back on the unmoderated Usenet, though.

*Yawn* Any fruitcup left?

403 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:44:31am

re: #400 freetoken

The DT is a bit more quiescent, still, in more ways than one.

I believe what we are witnessing, and in what we are partaking, is part of the process long foretold for the "right", "conservative", and/or "Republican" body politic. While Charles may not be on the ultra-bleeding edge of this, he is still pretty far ahead of the pack.

It was a fairly strange bedfellow-pact, between libertarians and the religious conservatives. IMO it was more a reaction to the 60's/70's Democrat majority in government and the subsequent expansion of government that drove various groups to coalesce politically.

Times change, and social organizations must change with them.

That is not the dead thread that I knew.

/wish I was kidding

404 buster bunny  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:45:33am

What i learned from the Intelligent Design thread ...

The chicken was innocent ... the egg did it.

405 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:45:48am

I have to go in for a summer workshop, so I'lk wish y'all a great day, dear Lizards.

406 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:47:55am

re: #393 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't mind explaining my beliefs and disagreeing with anyone else's, but I do mind being told my beliefs are "wrong" or the implication that I'm stupid for believing them.

Totally agree, Goddess. I hate it being implied or called stupid and asked to take a basic biology course when I know I have a 3.9 GPA. It's silly.

407 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:48:05am

re: #405 goddessoftheclassroom

have fun goddess, who knows maybe this is just a speedbump along the road of the blog.

/at least the maintenance here is better than my city.

408 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:49:21am

re: #402 Dar ul Harb

*Yawn* Any fruitcup left?

No, the evolutionist eat them all with nary a concern for you.

409 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:50:36am

Sued Firm Wants Shari'a Law as Defense


[Link: www.military.com...]

410 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:50:50am

Well, good evening and A Dios to y'all...

Its coming up to 7PM here in jasmine-scented, dusk-dark suburban Bangkok, and that aint Maine, Folks...

I'm leaving early, so I wish you all the best in protecting what's GOOD about America, and working on the few, tiny things wrong with America...

Til the morrow, I bid thee farewell...

411 buster bunny  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:50:55am

re: #402 Dar ul Harb

Good morning, LGF!

*Yawn* Any fruitcup left?

The fruitcup evolved into something nasty .. and left after failing to make out with the pepper grinder.

Such is life.

412 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:51:14am

re: #408 AmeriDan

No, the evolutionist eat them all with nary a concern for you.

*urp* Pardon? Did I miss something?

/hands Dar ul Harb some from the Super Secret Fridge™

//always have backups

413 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:53:06am

re: #400 freetoken

The DT is a bit more quiescent, still, in more ways than one.

I believe what we are witnessing, and in what we are partaking, is part of the process long foretold for the "right", "conservative", and/or "Republican" body politic. While Charles may not be on the ultra-bleeding edge of this, he is still pretty far ahead of the pack.

Keep in mind though that both major parties are undergoing some sort of re-alignment now, and if I had to venture a guess, the Republicans are turning more squishy-soft as a result of the influx of moderate Democrats who are fleeing the radical hate-America left that has overtaken the Democratic Party.

The fracturing of the Democrats diverse coalition over the Clinton-Obama battle is just going to continue the process.

414 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:53:30am

Night Karridine. See you next time.

415 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:54:13am

re: #406 rightwinger3

"Well, ID-Mighty-Moo, I just MIGHT take that Biology course if you can tell me WHAT, SPECIFICALLY, I'm getting wrong..."

/Charles asked one guy about 9 times to simply offer his honest opinion on how old the Earth is... guy FINALLY begged '4 billion' and Charles said, "That weren't too hard, was it?"

416 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:55:08am

re: #412 BlueCanuck

*urp* Pardon? Did I miss something?

/hands Dar ul Harb some from the Super Secret Fridge™

//always have backups

Whew! Ice cold.
Just what I needed after a long night battling the forces of unreason.

417 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #414 BlueCanuck

Blue, Dar-ul Harb... check out that Joe American vid on YouTUBE...

Dy-NO_MITE!

/gnite

418 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 4:58:54am

re: #383 goddessoftheclassroom

"Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased."

-- C.S. Lewis

419 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:00:10am

re: #415 Karridine

"Well, ID-Mighty-Moo, I just MIGHT take that Biology course if you can tell me WHAT, SPECIFICALLY, I'm getting wrong..."

/Charles asked one guy about 9 times to simply offer his honest opinion on how old the Earth is... guy FINALLY begged '4 billion' and Charles said, "That weren't too hard, was it?"

Karridine, I'm with you I might as well take it again to see what I missed the first time.

420 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:00:54am

Morning all. From the sound of it, Charles latest ID/Evolution thread produced a few bumps and bruises but no caaualties, good.

Has Obambi made any more gaffs or is he still in spin control from yesterday?

421 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:01:51am

re: #412 BlueCanuck

*urp* Pardon? Did I miss something?

/hands Dar ul Harb some from the Super Secret Fridge™

//always have backups

I knew there was a secret fridge!

Damn you all to whatever respective places that by your beliefs you would consider a bad place to be!

422 Gambini  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:03:45am

That's bullshit. Give me money and I'll show you how to get happiness.

423 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:05:00am

re: #419 rightwinger3

Actually, RightWinger, I was a licensed doctor with a clinical practice until my son was kidnapped, and I was more pitching the "Yeah, I'll educate myself, Doofus that I am, IF and WHEN YOU (them, not you RW) tell me what it is that YOU understand and I DON'T!"

Somebody pops in, tells me I'm ignorant but doesn't SPECIFY my ignorant spot, and that's useless to HIM and to me!

***
Gnite, Blue Canuck! Be crazy, be kind!

424 Macker  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:06:58am

[Vicodin]
Good morning Lizards! La la la la la la la la...
[/Vicodin]

425 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:08:01am

re: #423 Karridine

Actually, RightWinger, I was a licensed doctor with a clinical practice until my son was kidnapped, and I was more pitching the "Yeah, I'll educate myself, Doofus that I am, IF and WHEN YOU (them, not you RW) tell me what it is that YOU understand and I DON'T!"

Somebody pops in, tells me I'm ignorant but doesn't SPECIFY my ignorant spot, and that's useless to HIM and to me!

Yeah, okay I gotcha now. I'm with you there too.

426 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:09:39am

re: #421 AmeriDan

Well if every one knew where it was than it wouldn't be secret at all, hmmm?


/heh heh heh.

427 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:12:13am

Hello Lizardia. Not sure what sort of morning I'm having. Does anyone know what it means if the "check engine" light comes on and the car vibrates and smoke comes out from under the hood?

428 Karridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:12:49am

re: #426 BlueCanuck

To know what I know
And what I don't know
Is, in a sense
Omniscience

/keep the fridge HIDDEN, Gang!

429 docremulac  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:13:10am

Progressives are sane, level headed people who make good, sensible laws.

Only problem with this is, I see a certain arrogance that we life forms have when dealing with non-living individuals. Just because the plants and animals are alive we're somehow more worthy of protection than rocks? (sarcasm)

430 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:14:16am

re: #427 infidelia

Hello Lizardia. Not sure what sort of morning I'm having. Does anyone know what it means if the "check engine" light comes on and the car vibrates and smoke comes out from under the hood?

Did you make it to the local coffee shop before all this happened? If so it should be a good morning for ya.

431 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:14:38am

I just knew it was all our fault.

Enshayan, director of an environmental center at the University of Northern Iowa, suspects that this natural disaster wasn't really all that natural. He points out that the heavy rains fell on a landscape radically reengineered by humans

432 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:14:58am

re: #426 BlueCanuck

Well if every one knew where it was than it wouldn't be secret at all, hmmm?


/heh heh heh.

:)

**places yet another check mark next to BlueCanuck on my list**

433 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:15:09am

Good morning , Lizards!

Great quote, Cap'n DOC.

434 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:16:23am

re: #427 infidelia

Maybe a broken timing belt, if your lucky.

435 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:16:52am

re: #427 infidelia

Hello Lizardia. Not sure what sort of morning I'm having. Does anyone know what it means if the "check engine" light comes on and the car vibrates and smoke comes out from under the hood?

That sounds scary!

What does it mean when the battery light comes on when you are driving?

436 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:18:03am

re: #434 Bubblehead II

Maybe a broken timing belt, if your lucky.

What if I'm not lucky?

437 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:18:17am

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world...

Turkey: Singer tried on charges of dissent

Ankara, 18 June (AKI) - One of Turkey's most famous singers, Bulent Ersoy, has gone on trial charged with trying to turn the public against military service.

The charges were brought after she suggested it was not worth sacrificing soldiers' lives in Turkey's struggle to control the outlawed separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

Pakistan: Man sentenced to death for insulting Islam

Sialkot, 19 June (AKI/DAWN) - A Pakistani judge has sentenced a man to death and life imprisonment on charges of blasphemy and desecration of the Muslim holy book, the Koran.

Shafiq Latif of Kulluwal in northeastern Pakistan is alleged to have made derogatory remarks against the Prophet Mohammed and desecrated pages of the Koran on 17 March 2006.
[...]
Banners and posters welcoming the verdict were displayed in different locations in the local area.

Iran: Young Kurdish feminist gets five-year jail term

Tehran, 19 June (AKI) - A court in the capital of Iranian Kurdistan, Sanandaj has sentenced 21-year-old Kurdish feminist Hana Abdi to five years in prison for "subversive activities" and "collaboration with the enemy".

The court ruled that Abdi must serve her jail term in a prison far from her native Kurdistan. Prior to her trial and sentencing on Wednesday, she was reportedly tortured and accused of associating with armed groups.

Police last October arrested Abdi, a psychology student at Payam University, as she attended a meeting of a local feminist group.

438 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:18:20am

re: #427 infidelia

Hello Lizardia. Not sure what sort of morning I'm having. Does anyone know what it means if the "check engine" light comes on and the car vibrates and smoke comes out from under the hood?

Does the "smoke" smell like something burning or like water steaming?

439 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:18:39am

re: #432 AmeriDan

:)

**places yet another check mark next to BlueCanuck on my list**

So if I get to ten check marks do I get an upgrade?

*evil grin*

440 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:18:50am

re: #427 infidelia

Hello Lizardia. Not sure what sort of morning I'm having. Does anyone know what it means if the "check engine" light comes on and the car vibrates and smoke comes out from under the hood?

It means the local car guru gets that trip to Hawaii he always wanted.

441 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:19:15am

The Muslim women mess made the front page at AOL.

442 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:19:42am

re: #430 rightwinger3

Did you make it to the local coffee shop before all this happened? If so it should be a good morning for ya.

Actually I made it around the block so I'm home and waiting for the mechanic's to open so I can call him and AAA.

443 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:20:28am

re: #438 AmeriDan

Does the "smoke" smell like something burning or like water steaming?

Burning. No leaks of any kind under the car at the parking space.

444 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:20:57am

re: #431 Bubblehead II

Could well be... Iowa was a land of tall grass before it was a territory, and essentially digging up the whole area very well could impact all the drainage.

445 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:22:21am

re: #439 BlueCanuck

So if I get to ten check marks do I get an upgrade?

*evil grin*

IF? I'm on my second sharpie due to your shenanigans.

446 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:23:04am
Aref, who was born in the United States to Egyptian immigrants, said she had defended Obama during the primaries against a constant drumbeat of rumors that he was Muslim. Obama is a Christian.

Obama also has been careful in denouncing the links, noting that some rumors about him also have been insulting to Muslims.

"I don't want to be called something I'm not, but I felt like ... everyone was treating this accusation of being Muslim as though it were some sort of crime or sin," Aref said.

She was grateful that the group she was with at the rally, which included her brother, Sharif, as well as non-Muslim colleagues of his, declined the invitation to take seats behind Obama after she was refused.

Still, she said, it was difficult to hear Obama's message of unity among races.

"As he's saying it, I'm thinking, 'Well, wait a minute, I was obviously ... profiled and discriminated against an hour ago.'"

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!

447 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:23:31am

re: #442 infidelia

Actually I made it around the block so I'm home and waiting for the mechanic's to open so I can call him and AAA.

I thought you were kidding. Sorry. Smoke coming from an engine can be bad although I'm not a mechanic.

448 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:23:31am

re: #443 infidelia

Burning. No leaks of any kind under the car at the parking space.

Still smoking?

449 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:23:44am

re: #436 infidelia

Possibly a cracked cylinder. Did it start pouring smoke out of the tail pipe as well? I ask this as my wife's Chrysler Sundance did something similar and it turned out to be a crack between #3 and #4 cylinders. Goodbye Sundance, hello Civic.

450 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:25:52am

re: #448 AmeriDan

Still smoking?

No, it quit shortly after I parked. Clear now.

451 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:26:33am

Well thank you Firefox for remembering my LGF password because I didn't have a fucking clue! :D I actually had to change my password in order to utilize Safari. My own carelessness and stupidity strikes again! :)

452 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:26:47am

re: #449 Bubblehead II

Possibly a cracked cylinder. Did it start pouring smoke out of the tail pipe as well? I ask this as my wife's Chrysler Sundance did something similar and it turned out to be a crack between #3 and #4 cylinders. Goodbye Sundance, hello Civic.

No smoke out of tail pipe, just under hood nearer to driver's side.

453 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:27:05am

re: #446 MandyManners

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!

RACIST! ! !

/

454 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:27:12am

So, John McCain and President Bush now want to allow access to offshore Oil Exploration/drilling... John McCain wants to have new Nuclear Power stations... Wow... Amazing... Not that difficult...

Of course, the Communists, oops, I mean Dems, propose nationalizing the oil refineries... Pure brilliance...

I mean, where the hell are we? Moscow, circa 1956?

455 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:28:05am

re: #454 tfc3rid

So, John McCain and President Bush now want to allow access to offshore Oil Exploration/drilling... John McCain wants to have new Nuclear Power stations... Wow... Amazing... Not that difficult...

Of course, the Communists, oops, I mean Dems, propose nationalizing the oil refineries... Pure brilliance...

I mean, where the hell are we? Moscow, circa 1956?

We doing the Time Warp. Again.

456 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:30:16am

re: #453 AmeriDan

RACIST! ! !

/

I wonder if her hijab cuts off blood flow above the neck.

457 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:31:51am

re: #403 AmeriDan

That is not the dead thread that I knew.

/wish I was kidding

I think that we'll see more of this as the election draws closer. Hang in there. And if Senator Obama is elected President, expect purges in December. I predict that post-Republican name-calling could rapidly outstrip our host's willingness to continue hosting it.

458 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:31:52am

re: #45 DrJen

Nice. Mr. Bolton would make the U.S. a force to be reckoned with in the global political arena.

He sure would, and he seems like the kind of man who would have to be recruited as he doesn't look power hungry.

459 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:31:57am

re: #454 tfc3rid

So, John McCain and President Bush now want to allow access to offshore Oil Exploration/drilling... John McCain wants to have new Nuclear Power stations... Wow... Amazing... Not that difficult...

Of course, the Communists, oops, I mean Dems, propose nationalizing the oil refineries... Pure brilliance...

I mean, where the hell are we? Moscow, circa 1956?

Springsteen et al. are going to have to break out there old "No Nukes" t-shirts again. USA 1975 again.

460 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:31:58am

re: #455 infidelia

We doing the Time Warp. Again.

It's just a jump to the left.

461 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:33:42am

re: #450 infidelia

No, it quit shortly after I parked. Clear now.

Okay, it seems- and not being there, I'll stress seems- that there is no fire under your hood.

Was there a loud "knocking" noise before you shut the engine off?

462 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:34:26am

re: #452 infidelia

Well since I can't "see" the engine myself, all I am doing is making guesses but it doesn't look/sound good for your car. Hope it isn't too bad.

463 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:36:48am

re: #443 infidelia

Burning. No leaks of any kind under the car at the parking space.

Check your belts, smoke in an engine comes from one of three sources, oil burning off a manifold, wires burning, or a belt burning from friction. If its oil burning off a manifold you have a oil leak, which isnt really serious unless you let the engine run out of oil. That will not cause the check engine light to come on. Wires burning means you have a short somewhere and usually causes all the electric to go out, hence no check engine light. A belt burning usually means that something froze up, smog pump, air conditioning pump, power steering pump or alternator. If you have a serpentine belt this could be a serious pain. Usually the check engine light goes on when either a engine sensor is triggered by something like low oil, bad O2 levels or transmission problems. A combination of smoke and a check engine light says there is a good possibility that your alternator belt burned up and the alternator isnt supplying the engine with the right aamount of current, if any at all.

464 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:37:26am

re: #461 AmeriDan

Okay, it seems- and not being there, I'll stress seems- that there is no fire under your hood.

Was there a loud "knocking" noise before you shut the engine off?

No. It vibrates a bit but no knock. Very weird. Maybe I've got a fried squirrel in there or something. (I woke up a cat one winter morning years ago and there was fur coming up from under the hood. The cat left in a huff and I sat there and laughed for 5 minutes.)

465 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:38:27am

re: #456 MandyManners

I wonder if her hijab cuts off blood flow above the neck.

Probably not... but if she tried that uppity stuff in the Middle East... she'd have plenty of blood flowing.

466 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:39:32am

re: #463 doriangrey

Check your belts, smoke in an engine comes from one of three sources, oil burning off a manifold, wires burning, or a belt burning from friction. If its oil burning off a manifold you have a oil leak, which isnt really serious unless you let the engine run out of oil. That will not cause the check engine light to come on. Wires burning means you have a short somewhere and usually causes all the electric to go out, hence no check engine light. A belt burning usually means that something froze up, smog pump, air conditioning pump, power steering pump or alternator. If you have a serpentine belt this could be a serious pain. Usually the check engine light goes on when either a engine sensor is triggered by something like low oil, bad O2 levels or transmission problems. A combination of smoke and a check engine light says there is a good possibility that your alternator belt burned up and the alternator isnt supplying the engine with the right aamount of current, if any at all.

That's what it feels like to me to. I didn't think of it at first because when the alternator has quit on other cars they've just stopped dead. But the vibration definitely feels like a belt gone.

Thanks for the diagnostic!

467 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:39:43am

re: #427 infidelia

Hey, Culligan Man!

468 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:41:06am

re: #446 MandyManners

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE!

Wrong Mandy, Islam is a race... It's a race to see who can kill the most infidels before being sent to meet Allah in person...

469 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:41:44am

re: #465 AmeriDan

Probably not... but if she tried that uppity stuff in the Middle East... she'd have plenty of blood flowing.

I wonder how the women who protested the sexist pigs in al-Q. (or, was it the Taliban?!) are faring as of late. Were they given belt bombs in pink?

470 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:42:01am

re: #468 doriangrey

Wrong Mandy, Islam is a race... It's a race to see who can kill the most infidels before being sent to meet Allah in person...

Good one.

471 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:42:06am

OK, I'm betting alternator belt. Anybody want to start a pool?

472 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:42:07am

re: #452 infidelia

re: #463 doriangrey

Check your belts,

DO NOT CHECK ANYTHING! DO NOT OPEN THE HOOD!

Let the mechanic that you have called do it.

473 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:44:17am

re: #468 doriangrey

Wrong Mandy, Islam is a race... It's a race to see who can kill the most infidels before being sent to meet Allah in person...

Good point.

474 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:44:24am

re: #471 infidelia

OK, I'm betting alternator belt. Anybody want to start a pool?

Well what kind of car is it?

475 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:44:53am

re: #471 infidelia

I'll wager 2 fruit cups on my original guess. The timing belt.

476 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:45:14am

re: #472 AmeriDan

re: #463 doriangrey


DO NOT CHECK ANYTHING! DO NOT OPEN THE HOOD!

Let the mechanic that you have called do it.

That hood stays shut till the mechanic gets to it. I was afraid to let in any more oxygen. I had a car go up in flames 20 years ago because the idiot kid AAA sent out tried to give me a jump start while there was gasoline spurting out of the carb. BTW, did you know that most homeowner's/renter's insurance will cover the stuff you lose in your car if it burns up?

477 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:45:44am

re: #474 MajorPribluda

Well what kind of car is it?

1999 Subaru Forester. Had it 3 years, this is the first time anything has gone wrong with the engine.

478 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:46:16am

re: #466 infidelia

That's what it feels like to me to. I didn't think of it at first because when the alternator has quit on other cars they've just stopped dead. But the vibration definitely feels like a belt gone.

Thanks for the diagnostic!

When friction burns a belt it doesn't always break the belt, but it does pretty much always loosen the belt so that the alternator isnt turning at the correct speed. When the alternator stops turning at the correct speed the voltage drops below 14.7 volts, when this happens the check engine light goes on. If the belt burns enough it frays and causes the alternator to become out of balance, which will make the engine vibrate something fierce. It may not be your problem, but the symptoms are pretty close to what you describe and would be the first thing I would check.

479 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:47:03am

OK, so far we have 1 for alternator belt and one for timing belt.

480 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:47:48am

Good Morning all y'all - from a beautiful (67 degrees, going up to 89 degrees) bright and sunny
Charlotte!

How is everyone this fine morning?

481 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:47:56am

re: #477 infidelia

1999 Subaru Forester. Had it 3 years, this is the first time anything has gone wrong with the engine.

Subaru? Hell, there's nothing wrong with that car. Somebody lit a fire on top of your engine is all. Vandals.

482 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:48:44am

re: #479 infidelia

OK, so far we have 1 for alternator belt and one for timing belt.

Good morning realwest, how are you this morning?

483 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:49:31am

re: #476 infidelia

That hood stays shut till the mechanic gets to it. I was afraid to let in any more oxygen. I had a car go up in flames 20 years ago because the idiot kid AAA sent out tried to give me a jump start while there was gasoline spurting out of the carb. BTW, did you know that most homeowner's/renter's insurance will cover the stuff you lose in your car if it burns up?

Was the smoke white, gray, or black...

484 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:49:31am

And, in potentially interesting news to LGFer's:

Yahoo introduces two new e-mail address domains

SEATTLE (Reuters) - Yahoo Inc said it introduced two new e-mail domains on Wednesday, allowing users to select new, simpler e-mail addresses ending in ymail.com and rocketmail.com.

The current yahoo.com Web-based e-mail service has more than 260 million users worldwide, so many new users must adopt elaborate addresses because simpler ones are unavailable.

E-mail accounts on ymail.com or rocketmail.com will have the same features available with yahoo.com addresses including unlimited storage, being able to instant message from within their e-mail inbox and spam and virus protection.

"People want an e-mail address that reflects who they are, whether they are signing up for an e-mail address for the first time, or simply updating their e-mail pseudonym to reflect the stage they are at in life," Yahoo Vice President John Kremer said in a statement.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

485 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:49:47am

re: #481 MajorPribluda

Subaru? Hell, there's nothing wrong with that car. Somebody lit a fire on top of your engine is all. Vandals.

Probably squirrels looking for a place to hide out and smoke.

486 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:49:49am

re: #469 MandyManners

Were they given belt bombs in pink

They're dead. One way or the other. This being the ROP and all.

487 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:50:13am

re: #468 doriangrey

Wrong Mandy, Islam is a race... It's a race to see who can kill the most infidels before being sent to meet Allah in person...

Ha, great.

488 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:50:18am

re: #483 doriangrey

Was the smoke white, gray, or black...

Gray

489 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:50:50am

re: #482 doriangrey

Good morning dorian, I'm doing ok, who has the automobile problems, what kind of car and what type of problems?

490 infidelia  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:51:05am

OK AAA is here, got to go confer. Thanks all, have a great morning!

491 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:52:03am

re: #488 infidelia

Gray

No worries than, it's a belt. Anything really serious would have produced very dark black smoke.

492 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:52:23am

re: #489 realwest

Good morning dorian, I'm doing ok, who has the automobile problems, what kind of car and what type of problems?

Infidelia. Subaru. QED no problem.

493 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:52:26am

re: #481 MajorPribluda

Subaru? Hell, there's nothing wrong with that car. Somebody lit a fire on top of your engine is all. Vandals.

Vandals are old school.

The villains today are Whitey, Bush, Islamophobes, Global Warming, and GMOs.

494 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:53:20am

SHOOT YOUR CAR.

495 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:53:49am

re: #489 realwest

Good morning dorian, I'm doing ok, who has the automobile problems, what kind of car and what type of problems?

infidelia, gray smoke, a check engine light and a vibration from the engine... 1999 Subaru Forester.

496 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:54:57am

re: #494 MandyManners
Right On Mandy! ROFL!

497 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:54:59am

re: #494 MandyManners

SHOOT YOUR CAR.

Mandy, its a Subaru, that would be a criminal waste of a perfectly good bullet...

498 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:54:59am

Nigerian navy says U.S. captain taken by gunmen

"The captain of the Solar Tide, an American citizen, was abducted 25 nautical miles west of the Pennington River entrance. The vessel was attacked by armed men in speedboats," Nigerian navy spokesman Henry Babalola said.

499 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:55:06am

re: #476 infidelia

I was afraid smart to not let in any more oxygen.

Fixed

/wish I could fix your car so easily

500 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:57:00am

re: #495 doriangrey Um infedelia, have y'all pulled off the road and shut off the ignition, put the car in neutral and put on the parking brake?
Cause once you've done that, here's some MANLY advice about what to do: Get out of the car (if it's safe to stand in back of it) and call AAA!

501 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:57:56am

re: #500 realwest

Um infedelia, have y'all pulled off the road and shut off the ignition, put the car in neutral and put on the parking brake?
Cause once you've done that, here's some MANLY advice about what to do: Get out of the car (if it's safe to stand in back of it) and call AAA!

AAA is already there.

502 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:58:53am

re: #491 doriangrey

No worries than, it's a belt. Anything really serious would have produced very dark black smoke.

?

503 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:59:14am

re: #497 doriangrey

Mandy, its a Subaru, that would be a criminal waste of a perfectly good bullet...

Ah, you have never owned a Subaru. Instead, you drive a thirty-thousand dollar plastic car with no trunk.

504 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 5:59:24am

re: #501 MajorPribluda
Ah, well then, my work here is done!
How are you this fine morning?

505 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:00:12am

re: #500 realwest

Um infedelia, have y'all pulled off the road and shut off the ignition, put the car in neutral and put on the parking brake?
Cause once you've done that, here's some MANLY advice about what to do: Get out of the car (if it's safe to stand in back of it) and call AAA!

I call AAA when I need a tow, other than that I do all my own automotive work. And yes, my Vette absolutely screams...Built the engine in it and put it in myself... ;p

506 Hydrocarbon Hank  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:00:51am

Mo' money, mo' problems!

507 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:01:02am

Obama to forgo public funds for election campaign

The decision frees him up to collect money privately, which could be a help to him strategically ahead of November's election.

/I smell Soros

508 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:01:30am

re: #504 realwest

Ah, well then, my work here is done!
How are you this fine morning?

Doing well. I have been playing whack-a-mole over on the *�^*@ ID thread. (bacteria) You sir?

509 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:02:05am

re: #503 MajorPribluda

Ah, you have never owned a Subaru. Instead, you drive a thirty-thousand dollar plastic car with no trunk.

Fiberglass thank you very much, not plastic. Oh, and it doesnt have "A" trunk, it has two, there just very small and hidden inside the car...

510 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:03:18am

Good morning Lizards..
How is everyone this fine day?
Watched a great movie last night called glory road..a very inspirational true story.

511 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:03:26am

re: #509 doriangrey

Fiberglass thank you very much, not plastic. Oh, and it doesnt have "A" trunk, it has two, there just very small and hidden inside the car...

How come you still haven't caught that white Gran Prix?

512 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:03:56am

Well, my vette insists that its time for its morning drive, so I guess I might as well head off to work while I'm at it...

513 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:04:08am

Money - it's a great thing to have, and makes life convenient and easy. I hate having so much stuff and the burden of caring for too much, though.

I guess I like the simple life - a roof over my head, a good relationship with my husband and children, food to eat and friends...and of course my silly little garden.

514 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:04:09am

#505 doriangrey
What did you do to the engine?

515 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:05:05am

re: #511 MajorPribluda

How come you still haven't caught that white Gran Prix?

What white Gran Prix? Was I suppose to be chasing a Gran Prix?

516 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:05:22am

re: #507 Bubblehead II
Morning! You smell Soro's, I smell ME money - big time, Saudi type money!

517 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:05:32am

re: #515 doriangrey

What white Gran Prix? Was I suppose to be chasing a Gran Prix?

In your avatar.

518 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:05:53am

Your avacar.

519 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:06:48am

re: #514 UFO TOFU

#505 doriangrey
What did you do to the engine?

Stroked it. Higher compression pistons, shorter rods, larger valves, more radical cam. Went from the stock 205hp up to 355hp.

520 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:06:52am

re: #508 MajorPribluda
I'm doing fine and I can't believe that that ID thread is still active!

521 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:06:58am

re: #507 Bubblehead II

Obama to forgo public funds for election campaign

The decision frees him up to collect money privately, which could be a help to him strategically ahead of November's election.

/I smell Soros

Smell. Hear. See. Taste. Feel. That evil fucker's all over BHO.

522 Hydrocarbon Hank  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:07:00am

re: #518 MajorPribluda

Hilarious...I'm laughing at my desk and getting strange looks from co-workers.

523 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:08:02am

re: #507 Bubblehead II

Obama to forgo public funds for election campaign

/I smell Soros

You're not the only one.

524 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:08:09am

Good Morning Lizard Naiton!

SHOCKA

News Alert: Obama to Opt Out of Public Campaign Finance System


In a video message sent to supporters this morning Senator Barack Obama said his campaign had made the decision not to participate in public financing during the general election.

“It’s not an easy decision especially because I support a robust system of public financing of presidential elections,” Mr. Obama said in the video. “But the public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken.”

He complained that the campaign of his rival, Senator John McCain is “fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs.” Mr. Obama said he would run his campaign on small donations.

525 doriangrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:09:00am

re: #517 MajorPribluda

In your avatar.

ROTFLMAO, thats not a Gran Prix, thats my neighbors Toyota Silly Car...

526 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:09:10am

I got scooped by Bubblehead!

527 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:09:30am

re: #512 doriangrey

Well, my vette insists that its time for its morning drive, so I guess I might as well head off to work while I'm at it...

Have fun.

I never even knew you had a Corvette, guess I missed the references in all of your prior comments.

*yawn*

528 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:10:15am

re: #516 realwest

They have to funnel it to him somehow. Soros would be the logical choice to wipe thier prints off of it.

529 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:10:26am

re: #493 OldLineTexan

Vandals are old school.

How about Goths?

Or Visigoths?
/really old school

530 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:11:10am

#519 doriangrey
Nice. Now if you could just get good quality fuel...

531 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:12:29am

re: #479 infidelia

OK, so far we have 1 for alternator belt and one for timing belt.

I'm guessing suicide belt.

/Sorry... which thread is this?

532 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:13:14am

re: #526 loppyd {loppyd} Hey there goodlooking, how are you today?

533 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:13:31am

re: #526 loppyd

Heh. By 7 minutes and 5 seconds. :-)

534 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:14:11am

re: #525 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO, thats not a Gran Prix, thats my neighbors Toyota Silly Car...

And you still ain't caught it!

535 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:14:45am

re: #533 Bubblehead II

Heh. By 7 minutes and 5 seconds. :-)

*wipes egg off face*

LOL

536 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:15:50am

re: #498 Bubblehead II

Yet another reason why we should drill in safer places - say, perhaps... off our own coasts.

I pray he will come home alive and well.

537 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:16:37am
538 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:16:48am

re: #533 Bubblehead II
Not that anyone's keeping track or anything!

539 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:18:19am

re: #532 {realwest}

{loppyd} Hey there goodlooking, how are you today?

Good Morning Handsome.

Hanging in - I'll email you.

How's by you?

540 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:19:25am

re: #531 Dar ul Harb
ROTFL! This be the Dead Thread, which is what Infidelia's car apparently is!
But, suicide belt is always a good guess these days when someone on LGF is talking about "belts"!

541 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:19:54am

Visual Fruit Cup.

542 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:20:14am

re: #539 loppyd Uh, I'm doing ok! Now currently and anxiously awaiting your e-mail!

543 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:21:02am

re: #527 AmeriDan

Have fun.

I never even knew you had a Corvette, guess I missed the references in all of your prior comments.

*yawn*

(if I keep this up, he'll be out there doing thirty-thousand dollar donuts on my lawn)

544 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:21:32am

Infidelia:

I recently had the timing belt go in my Subaru.

The check engine light came on and my steering locked up.

No smoke, though.

545 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:21:49am

re: #497 doriangrey

Mandy, its a Subaru, that would be a criminal waste of a perfectly good bullet...

no that would be a yougo...

546 eaglewingz08  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:22:08am

The dems in the House are scrambling like rats knowing they are on a sinking ship. Wheareas at the beginning of the election cycle they were looking forward to big electoral gains, now the news may not be so bright. Thanks to courageous Congressional leaders like Republican Rep Peterson who introduced a bill to end the moratorium on oil production on the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf), the dem leadership on the Appropriations Committee, without warning pulled consideration of the bill which was due up yesterday. Rep. Peterson noted in an interview yesterday that the dems are in a twisted situation. They know the American public has seen behind the dems' shameless anti american anti energy production tactics, and that Repubs and independents support the drill here drill now repub energy policy by upwards of 84 percent, and even dem voters support this policy by 76 percent. So the dems are scrambling to find some energy production policy they can be for. The trouble is they've sold their souls to the environazis and have pledged no nuke, no oil, no coal, no OCS production, no new refineries. All they have is the tired pie in the sky future of 'alternative energy', whereas we have nearly 900 billion barrels of oil in the continental US that the dems refuse to allow us access to, while we go begging to terror states for our energy supplies.
The public is in no mood for this and the dem mantra that 'we can't drill our way out of this' is met with the ridicule and mockery it deserves. Keep this up dems, and the Congress may be restored to Repub control sooner than you think.

547 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:23:01am

BTW, on Fox today, Newt says he thinks Bush should sign an executive order lifting the ban on off-shore drilling and throw the issue into the Dem Congress' hands.
Fox news just announced that Bush has said he'll sign an Executive Order lifting the ban on off-shore drilling AFTER Congress acts on it.

Hey, could someone PLEASE ask one of President Bush's aides to listen more carefully to Fox, please?!

548 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:23:38am

re: #546 eaglewingz08

The public is in no mood for this and the dem mantra that 'we can't drill our way out of this' is met with the ridicule and mockery it deserves. Keep this up dems, and the Congress may be restored to Repub control sooner than you think.


Hear, hear!

549 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:23:45am

re: #2 Desert Dog

Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can rent it

I want to apply for a $50,000,000 government grant to do a study on "Can Money Buy Happiness?" That statement will comprise the entire final report, along with the conclusion that I need an additional $50,000,000 to study the matter further of course! :-)

/Good Morning Everybody!

550 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:24:10am

re: #536 lurking faith

but... but... but... It will not be available for 10 years and it will ruin the environment and it will not effect the cost of oil now, think of the polar bears...

/moonbat off

More seriously though, I wonder if they will try to ransom him like the Somali's do or use him as a bargaining chip to get concessions from the oil company and/or the government.

551 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:24:14am

re: #546 eaglewingz08

boy, i hope you are right. wait, i know that you are right. TRUTH and HONESTY always win. Eventually everything becomes transparent.

552 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:24:29am

re: #547 realwest

BTW, on Fox today, Newt says he thinks Bush should sign an executive order lifting the ban on off-shore drilling and throw the issue into the Dem Congress' hands.
Fox news just announced that Bush has said he'll sign an Executive Order lifting the ban on off-shore drilling AFTER Congress acts on it.

Hey, could someone PLEASE ask one of President Bush's aides to listen more carefully to Fox, please?!

You know it's hopeless when you get schooled by Fox.

553 Hydrocarbon Hank  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:25:12am

re: #546 eaglewingz08


The TRUTH - it sounds so sweet.

554 eaglewingz08  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:25:59am

To you dems who idolized the Nuremberg Trials as the height of due process, and how our actions against the jihadis should be conducted, you should realize that under the current regime of Justice Kennedy and the SCOTUS, that MILITARY COMMISSION would have been declared unconstitutional, and they would have had to be tried IN AMERICAN CIVIL COURTS!
Here is a brief listing of the London Agreement of August 8, 1945 which listed the rights of the Nazi defendants:

The Nazi war criminals were given no access to American courts. Their rights were governed by the charter annexed to the London Agreement. Here is the fair trial provision of the charter:

In order to ensure fair trial for the Defendants, the following procedure shall be followed:

(a) The Indictment shall include full particulars specifying in detail the charges against the Defendants. A copy of the Indictment and of all the documents lodged with the Indictment, translated into a language which he understands, shall be furnished to the Defendant at reasonable time before the Trial.

(b) During any preliminary examination or trial of a Defendant he will have the right to give any explanation relevant to the charges made against him.

(c) A preliminary examination of a Defendant and his Trial shall be conducted in, or translated into, a language which the Defendant understands.

(d) A Defendant shall have the right to conduct his own defense before the Tribunal or to have the assistance of Counsel.

(e) A Defendant shall have the right through himself or through his Counsel to present evidence at the Trial in support of his defense, and to cross-examine any witness called by the Prosecution.

(f) The determination of the Tribunal shall be final with respect to guilt or innocence. There shall not be any right to appeal to any other tribunal or authority.

Gee, FDR was MUCH WORSE THAN GEORGE W. BOOOSH, right liberals?

555 akak  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:27:00am

CHEERS to the Canucks for routing the Kandahar Taliban. Wish they got all 500 of them, but will celebrate 36 + the win! Gotta love that kill ratio!

556 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:27:11am

re: #543 MajorPribluda

(if I keep this up, he'll be out there doing thirty-thousand dollar donuts on my lawn)

I wish I could reply to you Major, but my 2003 Ford Ranger absolutely insist that I take it for it's morning spin.

557 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:29:20am

re: #556 AmeriDan

I wish I could reply to you Major, but my 2003 Ford Ranger absolutely insist that I take it for it's morning spin.

But have you stroked it?

558 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:30:10am

re: #554 eaglewingz08

Not to mention the fact that the Nuremberg Trials were conducted AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER!

559 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:30:54am

re: #552 MajorPribluda
Well, to be fair, the schooling was being done by Newt, not Fox.

560 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:31:59am

re: #559 realwest

Well, to be fair, the schooling was being done by Newt, not Fox.

Facts are pesky things.

561 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:32:39am

Hey I have an idea for the Muslim women wearing head scarfs who were offended because Barack didn't want them to be seated behind the podium in camera shot -

AMERICAN FLAG HEAD SCARFS !

oh wait - He wouldn't want that either.

562 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:32:41am

BRB

563 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:33:13am

re: #557 MajorPribluda

But have you stroked it?

It doesn't need to be stroked, nor does my ego if you get my drift.

564 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:33:14am

My morning commute is replete with schadenfruede, since I bought my Smart car, :)

(Austin Powers voice): "y-y-yeah baby!"

565 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:33:16am

re: #554 eaglewingz08
Um, on August 8th 1945 Harry Truman was our President, FDR having passed away in April of that year, iirc.

566 opnion  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:35:49am

Just finished a 3 hour drive through farm country to get to a meeting, with the radio for company.
They keep playing a Michelle Obama sound bite from The View yesterday.
She said that she never wanted Barack in politics, you know cause it's a "mean business." then she went on to descibe him as, "Sweet & pathetic."
I know that she meant empathetic, but sheeesh!

567 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:35:51am

re: #564 Vergeltung

My morning commute is replete with schadenfruede, since I bought my Smart car, :)

(Austin Powers voice): "y-y-yeah baby!"

If your car is so smart, how come it's not a vette?

568 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:35:55am

re: #547 realwest

Maybe somebody could remind him that he's supposed to LEAD, not just rubber-stamp Congress if they decide to act.

If he thinks a mere subtle hint that he would approve such legislation will do any good, he's deluding himself.

569 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:35:57am

I bought my Jaguar in 2005 (gone now, dammit), and every once in a while I just had to shout SHAG-YOU-AH! YEAH BABY, YEAH!!!

570 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:36:08am

re: #563 AmeriDan If we get your drift? Geez, how the hell could we overlook it; unless you think a tidal wave could be overlooked by someone standing on the beach!

Seriously, no fair talking about dorian when you know he's not out here to defend himself or at least reply.

571 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:36:42am

re: #564 Vergeltung

My morning commute is replete with schadenfruede, since I bought my Smart car, :)

(Austin Powers voice): "y-y-yeah baby!"

After my lease is up on my truck, I'm getting a Smart Car. How do you like it?

572 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:37:21am

re: #566 opnion

" then she went on to descibe him as, "Sweet & pathetic."

Freudian slip. He IS pathetic and she knows it.

573 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:37:42am

re: #568 lurking faith

Maybe somebody could remind him that he's supposed to LEAD, not just rubber-stamp Congress if they decide to act.

If he thinks a mere subtle hint that he would approve such legislation will do any good, he's deluding himself.

Besides, it would be a powerful tool for Mitch McConnell to use to once again Mitch-Slap (c 2006, Hugh Hewitt) Dingy Harry.

574 opnion  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:39:12am

re: #572 Bubblehead II

" then she went on to descibe him as, "Sweet & pathetic."

Freudian slip. He IS pathetic and she knows it.

I can't disagree with that. For whatever reason, she did stumble into the truth.

575 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:40:38am

re: #567 AmeriDan

If your car is so smart, how come it's not a vette?

um, cause a 'vette has limited practicality in today's economy, and it's an old tired line from Chevy?

;P

576 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:40:47am

re: #570 realwest

If we get your drift? Geez, how the hell could we overlook it; unless you think a tidal wave could be overlooked by someone standing on the beach!

Seriously, no fair talking about dorian when you know he's not out here to defend himself or at least reply.

Rodger that, and good advice. I did, however, make the first comment while he was here. I'll wait till the next time, and there will be a next time.

My apologies to DG and all others.

577 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:42:26am

re: #571 rightwinger3

After my lease is up on my truck, I'm getting a Smart Car. How do you like it?

LOVE it. no downside at all. have 2 kids & wife, so our other car is a Scooby Outback, which is a great car as well, BTW.

Smartie's last tank fill up was 8.014 gallons and I got 359 miles. oh yeah! :)

578 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:42:40am

re: #550 Bubblehead II

In my next "argument" with a moonbat about offshore drilling in the Gulf, I may just claim that drilling in the Gulf or in any moderate-temperature zones can't possibly hurt the polar bears, because the polar bears all live up in the arctic circle. Which is, like, nowhere NEAR the Gulf of Mexico.

They use faked facts and zero logic; why can't I?

579 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:44:14am

re: #571 rightwinger3

After my lease is up on my truck, I'm getting a Smart Car. How do you like it?

Saw alot of smart cars in the Netherlands recently..Cool for city driving..looks kindof cute..
But man i would hate to be in a wreak in a smart car.. looks like a death trap.

580 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:45:02am

re: #570 realwest

Seriously, no fair talking about dorian when you know he's not out here to defend himself or at least reply.


So I guess picking on LanceKates is out of the question, then?

581 Sizzlack  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:46:09am

Ralph Peters quotes Obama in todays NYPost as saying that the Nuremberg trials set an example of how to deal with people like Bin Laden. Once again Obama has shown us he is more or less clueless when it comes to history, as besides for the fact that Hitler killed himself, Himmler, probably the next worst person in line, was executed in the woods where he was found and buried in a shallow unmarked grave. But hey if Obama was President we would have given Himmler a platform to spew more hatred from.

582 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:46:47am

re: #579 HoosierHoops

Saw alot of smart cars in the Netherlands recently..Cool for city driving..looks kindof cute..
But man i would hate to be in a wreak in a smart car.. looks like a death trap.

gotta shake that mentality man, otherwise we should all be driving big deisel school buses, no? the Smartie gets a 5-star crash rating. search youtube for the crash vids. in one, it abolutely eats a mercedes sedan in a 3/4 frontal head-on collision.

it's got airbags up the ying-yang, and an uber-strong "cell" around the passenger area (think of it like a diving cage or a diving bell).

great car.

583 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:46:49am

re: #577 Vergeltung

LOVE it. no downside at all. have 2 kids & wife, so our other car is a Scooby Outback, which is a great car as well, BTW.

Smartie's last tank fill up was 8.014 gallons and I got 359 miles. oh yeah! :)

Excellent! I'm looking forward to that, I got the same mileage in my truck only that fillup was 18 gallons!

584 Sizzlack  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:47:00am

re: #581 Sizzlack

and I dont buy the suicide BS

585 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:47:17am

re: #581 Sizzlack

Ralph Peters quotes Obama in todays NYPost as saying that the Nuremberg trials set an example of how to deal with people like Bin Laden. Once again Obama has shown us he is more or less clueless when it comes to history, as besides for the fact that Hitler killed himself, Himmler, probably the next worst person in line, was executed in the woods where he was found and buried in a shallow unmarked grave. But hey if Obama was President we would have given Himmler a platform to spew more hatred from.

I always thought that Mussolini's trial set a better example.

586 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:47:49am

re: #546 eaglewingz08

...whereas we have nearly 900 billion barrels of oil in the continental US ...

According to this EIA report:

Mean estimates from the MMS indicate that technically recoverable resources currently off limits in the lower 48 OCS total 18 billion barrels of crude oil and 77 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (Table 10).

In addition to the above, the MMS estimates that there is an additional 41 billion barrels of technically recoverable undiscovered oil on the off shore areas already open to exploration.

587 AmeriDan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:47:53am

re: #570 realwest

If we get your drift? Geez, how the hell could we overlook it; unless you think a tidal wave could be overlooked by someone standing on the beach!

Seriously, no fair talking about dorian when you know he's not out here to defend himself or at least reply.

re: #576 AmeriDan

Rodger that, and good advice. I did, however, make the first comment while he was here. I'll wait till the next time, and there will be a next time.

My apologies to DG and all others.

I thought most people on the day shift scrolled past my comments anyway. Who knew anyone was paying attention?

588 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:47:55am

re: #580 MajorPribluda

So I guess picking on LanceKates is out of the question, then?

I miss Lance. I usually agreed with his thoughts here. I found him to fight over trivial points in posts however. maybe that was his un-doing.

589 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:48:42am

re: #583 rightwinger3

Excellent! I'm looking forward to that, I got the same mileage in my truck only that fillup was 18 gallons!

wOOt! :)

590 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:48:51am

re: #581 Sizzlack

Ralph Peters quotes Obama in todays NYPost as saying that the Nuremberg trials set an example of how to deal with people like Bin Laden. Once again Obama has shown us he is more or less clueless when it comes to history, as besides for the fact that Hitler killed himself, Himmler, probably the next worst person in line, was executed in the woods where he was found and buried in a shallow unmarked grave. But hey if Obama was President we would have given Himmler a platform to spew more hatred from.

Well Himmler actually killed himself with a poison capsule while in captivity, but who is quibbling.

591 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:49:36am

Things could be worse: you could have been incapacitated from a "thong injury."

592 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:49:57am

re: #590 Nevergiveup

Well Himmler actually killed himself with a poison capsule while in captivity, but who is quibbling.

Wasn't that Goering?

593 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:50:01am

re: #588 Vergeltung

I miss Lance. I usually agreed with his thoughts here. I found him to fight over trivial points in posts however. maybe that was his un-doing.

He was a good guy here, but he forgot rule number one of playing ball with the boss.

594 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #584 Sizzlack

and I dont buy the suicide BS

eh? there's so much corroboration for it though...

595 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:50:34am

17 girls at Gloucester HIgh school became Pregnant ON PURPOSE

1/2 of those girls made a pact to get pregnant together, and raise their babies together.


School became suspicious when some of the girls came back for multiple pregnancies tests and were UPSET when they weren't pregnant.

One of the fathers was a 24 year old homeless man.

Bring Back SHAME - and FATHERS!

596 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:50:45am

re: #592 CIA Reject

Wasn't that Goering?

IIRC, it was both...

597 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:51:34am

re: #566 opnion

Just finished a 3 hour drive through farm country to get to a meeting, with the radio for company.
They keep playing a Michelle Obama sound bite from The View yesterday.
She said that she never wanted Barack in politics, you know cause it's a "mean business." then she went on to descibe him as, "Sweet & pathetic."
I know that she meant empathetic, but sheeesh!

Not cut out to be first lady. What kind of international incident could she create with THAT MOUTH!

598 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #593 MajorPribluda

He was a good guy here, but he forgot rule number one of playing ball with the boss.

sure, absolutely. heck if it gets that bad, you should just leave on your own anyways...

599 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:52:47am

re: #595 DistantThunder

600 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:53:03am

re: #596 Vergeltung

IIRC, it was both...

OK I remember that Goering supposedly got the poison from a guard he made friends with. Is there any evidence/speculation of how Himmler got his?

601 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:53:06am

Re: The Nuremberg Trials--

So I'm pretty sure that the top Nazi officials voluntarily surrendered themselves to the Nuremberg Tribunal, once an arrest order was issued for them, or something like that. Right?

What? What "war"?

602 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #592 CIA Reject

Wasn't that Goering?

Goering also did hours before his execution. Himmler was captured by either us or the Brits and he also took cyanide within hours of his capture.

603 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:53:52am

re: #599 Vergeltung

um...not sure what happened, but that was supposed to say re bring back shame & fathers..

"sums it up nicely. would solve much of the ills in modern society."

(shrugs)

604 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:53:52am

re: #577 Vergeltung
D'oh, sorry - what is a "Smart Car"? Photos?

605 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:54:05am

Cindy McCain has already run a major corporation. This week she is in Vietnam with Operation Smile that fixes cleft palettes. I love those doctors!

Also Cindy has her own charity that eliminates land minds around the world.

606 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:54:07am

re: #600 CIA Reject

OK I remember that Goering supposedly got the poison from a guard he made friends with. Is there any evidence/speculation of how Himmler got his?

he had it on him and was not searched well.

607 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:54:58am
608 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:55:13am

re: #600 CIA Reject

OK I remember that Goering supposedly got the poison from a guard he made friends with. Is there any evidence/speculation of how Himmler got his?

Himmler had it on him, as he tried to travel in cognito with regular Heer troops. he was recognized, and decided to bite down on the vile he had in his mouth. if you google his death photo, it will give you some clues as well.

609 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:55:57am

Obama: the fragile candidate. Needs lots of bubble wrap.

610 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:56:08am

re: #604 realwest

D'oh, sorry - what is a "Smart Car"? Photos?

www.smartcarofamerica.com and [Link: www.smartcar.org...]

611 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:56:34am

re: #608 Vergeltung

Himmler had it on him, as he tried to travel in cognito with regular Heer troops. he was recognized, and decided to bite down on the vile he had in his mouth. if you google his death photo, it will give you some clues as well.

He was finally recognized and when taken into custody under his true name he took the poison.

612 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:57:35am

re: #611 Nevergiveup

He was finally recognized and when taken into custody under his true name he took the poison.

hmmm, could have sworn he was recognized in the field, but I'll double check on that. you could be right.

613 Vergeltung  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:58:01am

BBL, got to get to court. late!

614 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:58:55am

Top o' the marnin' to ye Lizards, one and all.

615 akak  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:59:23am
Hizbullah Supporters Attack U.S. Envoy's Motorcade in South Lebanon

Forget Obama's bus, start up the A-10.

616 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:59:30am

17 Girls Pregnant

The high school has done perhaps too good a job of embracing young mothers. Sex-ed classes end freshman year at Gloucester, where teen parents are encouraged to take their children to a free on-site day-care center. Strollers mingle seamlessly in school hallways among cheerleaders and junior ROTC. "We're proud to help the mothers stay in school," says Sue Todd, CEO of Pathways for Children, which runs the day-care center.

The old idea of sending them away to have baby now seems like genius idea.

617 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #612 Vergeltung

hmmm, could have sworn he was recognized in the field, but I'll double check on that. you could be right.

Yes he might have been and was taken into custody to a private building for questioning and processing were, knowing the jig was up, killed himself. Previously to being recognized, he was trying to pass himself off as an average soldier.

618 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:00:26am

re: #595 DistantThunder


Last month, two top officials at the high school's health center resigned in a fight over contraceptives distribution.

Medical Director Dr. Brian Orr and chief nurse practitioner Kim Daly support confidentially giving contraceptives to students. They were outraged about resistance from Addison Gilbert Hospital, which administers the state public health grant that funds the school clinic.

Because the State should raise your children, not you, you ignorant amateurs.

And in Canada:

Dad grounds daughter, but court ungrounds her

Posted in a spin-off by 2Blue4u

619 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:01:11am

Arab Editor: 'Obama's Support for Israel Is Only Lip Service'

He stated that Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama's enthusiastic support for Israel is standard operating procedure for every American candidate. "Even the Israelis cannot believe the promises," wrote Al Rashed.

/Surprise!

620 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:01:21am

re: #582 Vergeltung

search youtube for the crash vids. in one, it abolutely eats a mercedes sedan in a 3/4 frontal head-on collision.

If you mean this one, it doesn't look to me like the SmartCar won that round.

621 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:01:30am

re: #607 taxfreekiller

Our job is to get America to see the true Obama.

Bless the blogosphere! Yes, we can. Si, se puede.

622 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:03:00am

re: #604 realwest

D'oh, sorry - what is a "Smart Car"? Photos?

Smart is a unit of Daimler AG (Mercedes-Benz). It's been around in Europe for ten years, and hasn't turned a profit yet. I think the Smart cars will never be more than a curiosity here. They used to build a four-door model, but dropped it because of slow sales.

623 seekeroftruth  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:03:03am

re: #597 DistantThunder

Not cut out to be first lady. What kind of international incident could she create with THAT MOUTH!

That's my thought as well. She's very out-spoken and confrontational. It may serve her well in her profession as a lawyer. However, on the national stage, you can't go on tv and talk as if you're sitting around with your girlfriends chit chatting. Words matter a great deal when you are first lady, and so does grace and dignity.

624 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:03:18am

re: #607 taxfreekiller
"so say tfk"
And so say us all!
Great post my friend! How are you doing this morning?

625 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:04:09am

re: #595 DistantThunder

17 girls at Gloucester HIgh school became Pregnant ON PURPOSE

1/2 of those girls made a pact to get pregnant together, and raise their babies together.


School became suspicious when some of the girls came back for multiple pregnancies tests and were UPSET when they weren't pregnant.

One of the fathers was a 24 year old homeless man.

Bring Back SHAME - and FATHERS!

We had two eighth grade girls at our school who were picked up for shoplifting condoms and pregnancy tests to sell to their classmates. Both of the girls are real pieces of work and the family situations are negative and enabling. Add to the mix that they refuse to do their school work and, as teachers, our hands are tied. One of the girls was in my class and literally failed choir! If they don't pass to the next grade, it looks bad for our AYP and we have problems with the state.

626 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:04:21am

re: #619 Bubblehead II

Arab Editor: 'Obama's Support for Israel Is Only Lip Service'

He stated that Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama's enthusiastic support for Israel is standard operating procedure for every American candidate. "Even the Israelis cannot believe the promises," wrote Al Rashed.

/Surprise!

The man speaks truth.
I have democrat friends [yes, I'm quite tolerant] who keep telling me that Obama promised AIPAC that he would keep Jerusalem united. I keep reminding them that the very next day, on CNN, he refuted his AIPAC promise. Mulims understand taquiya, and they understand why Obama said what he said to AIPAC.

627 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:04:35am

re: #620 Occasional Reader

If you mean this one, it doesn't look to me like the SmartCar won that round.

Yeah, if it acts like that against a large European sedan, what'll be look like after hitting an eighteen wheel tractor-trailer?

Saw one of them on the expressway a few weeks ago. Looked like it was barely keeping up with traffic.

628 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #610 Vergeltung
Uh, your link led me to houses in Spain for sale - wanna try again?!

629 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:05:06am
630 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:05:28am

re: #623 seekeroftruth

That's my thought as well. She's very out-spoken and confrontational. It may serve her well in her profession as a lawyer. However, on the national stage, you can't go on tv and talk as if you're sitting around with your girlfriends chit chatting. Words matter a great deal when you are first lady, and so does grace and dignity.

Let's make her ambassador to Iran. or Syria. They deserve her.

631 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:05:55am

re: #616 DistantThunder

Wow. This story pulls me in so many directions. Teenagers wanting to have babies to have something to love? Isn't that the saddest comment about what their family lives must be like?

632 seekeroftruth  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:06:04am

re: #630 DistantThunder

Let's make her ambassador to Iran. or Syria. They deserve her.

LOL

633 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:06:08am

re: #606 Nevergiveup

re: #608 Vergeltung

Thanks!

634 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:06:30am

re: #626 Golem Akbar

Mulims understand taquiya

Amen.

635 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:07:13am

re: #627 Honorary Yooper

Saw one of them on the expressway a few weeks ago. Looked like it was barely keeping up with traffic.

I was surprised to read not just one, but two reviews in the New York Times that trashed the SmartCar. I'd have thought the NYT would slobber over anything "green" and European.

I think for a scooting-round-town car, for one or two people, it would be fine. But I'll stick with my own car... 30 mpg highway, which is good enough, and tons of fun to drive.

636 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:08:06am

re: #631 WriterMom

Wow. This story pulls me in so many directions. Teenagers wanting to have babies to have something to love? Isn't that the saddest comment about what their family lives must be like?

I laughed when it said that they think children give you unconditional love. Since when? Screaming toddler 101 - the first adolescence - "NO!"

637 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:08:25am

re: #627 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, if it acts like that against a large European sedan, what'll be look like after hitting an eighteen wheel tractor-trailer?

Saw one of them on the expressway a few weeks ago. Looked like it was barely keeping up with traffic.

Um, not defending Smart Cars here, ya understand, but I don't know very many passenger cars that could go up against an 18 wheeler and survive, you know?

638 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:08:58am

Good morning, everyone. Caffeine is kicking in and life is good--

Except when you have to go install memory in a computer that has been sitting under a desk for over two years, hasn't been cleaned once, and the dust bunnies have had great-grandchildren. I'll be shocked if I don't sneeze the rest of the day. Blech.

639 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:08:59am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

I was surprised to read not just one, but two reviews in the New York Times that trashed the SmartCar. I'd have thought the NYT would slobber over anything "green" and European.

I think for a scooting-round-town car, for one or two people, it would be fine. But I'll stick with my own car... 30 mpg highway, which is good enough, and tons of fun to drive.

Most accidents happen within 10 5 miles of drivers' homes. These lightweight cars can be deadly.

640 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:09:45am
641 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:10:06am

re: #635 Occasional Reader Morning O.R.! Hope you're doing well today!
Uh, what kinda car do you have that gets 30 mpg on highway driving?

642 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:10:08am
643 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:10:13am

re: #636 DistantThunder

Babies give you unconditional demands: feed me, hold me, change me, burp me-and figure it out, damnit or I'm gonna scream my little lungs out. And of course they love you, but you don't always feel the love at first during those 2-hour feeding schedules.

These teens need to be showered with love themselves. Like I said-where are the parents?

644 bosforus  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:10:36am

Darn it all, I missed the ID thread last night!

645 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:10:47am

re: #638 vxbush

Good morning, everyone. Caffeine is kicking in and life is good--

Except when you have to go install memory in a computer that has been sitting under a desk for over two years, hasn't been cleaned once, and the dust bunnies have had great-grandchildren. I'll be shocked if I don't sneeze the rest of the day. Blech.

Lots of dust mites. My daughter wanted to get rid of a huge ugly used couch that her new husband had. I told them that furniture can double it's weight in 5 years due to dust mites - and their excrement. Bye-bye couch.

646 Sunlight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:11:11am

This is killin' me. We discuss and challenge the mainstream press, but I'm becoming convinced that none of it matters. All that matters is what shows up in the paper at the breakfast table. Even Andrew McCarthy's won't make a difference because they won't be presented in the logical way Powerline has done it. [Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

So I'm asking Glenn at Instapudit to please urge Amazon to make a full sized (or adjustable) Kindle where Investor's Business Daily can offer a subscription to a downloadable daily breakfast table newspaper that will present facts and two or more sides of issues. IBD is doing a fabulous job with their editorials... now I think they should come up with a combined approach to fact reporting (general news, not just financial) and opinions... but how to wean people from their breakfast papers. Even though the circulation of each is declining, the overall numbers are huge nationwide of people who only read their local paper (full of AP propaganda).

647 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:11:11am
648 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #639 DistantThunder

Most accidents happen within 10 5 miles of drivers' homes. These lightweight cars can be deadly.

Not sure what number you meant to type there... but I'm sure that most accidents occur near the driver's home, for the simple reason that's where the driver is driving most. Accidents on a highway will typically be at higher speeds, so the relative importance of the safety factor is greater.

649 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:11:59am

re: #643 WriterMom

Babies give you unconditional demands: feed me, hold me, change me, burp me-and figure it out, damnit or I'm gonna scream my little lungs out. And of course they love you, but you don't always feel the love at first during those 2-hour feeding schedules.

These teens need to be showered with love themselves. Like I said-where are the parents?

The mother's are trying to build up their daughters' self esteem (a trait linked to delinquency by the way) while the dad's are gone or have washed their hands.

650 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:12:01am

re: #641 realwest

Morning O.R.! Hope you're doing well today!
Uh, what kinda car do you have that gets 30 mpg on highway driving?

Audi TT. I love it.

651 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:12:47am

re: #645 DistantThunder

Lots of dust mites. My daughter wanted to get rid of a huge ugly used couch that her new husband had. I told them that furniture can double it's weight in 5 years due to dust mites - and their excrement. Bye-bye couch.

And of course, I'm allergic to both. Lucky me.

652 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:13:00am

re: #648 Occasional Reader

5 miles

653 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:13:00am

re: #564 Vergeltung

My morning commute is replete with schadenfruede, since I bought my Smart car, :)

(Austin Powers voice): "y-y-yeah baby!"

Is this your only car, or just the car you commute with?

654 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:13:28am

re: #645 DistantThunder

Lots of dust mites. My daughter wanted to get rid of a huge ugly used couch that her new husband had. I told them that furniture can double it's weight in 5 years due to dust mites - and their excrement. Bye-bye couch.

If only we could somehow squeeze fuel out of dustmites...

655 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:13:41am

re: #607 taxfreekiller

And McCain should keep up the pressure for "town hall" debates.
"You'll meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions, but you won't have a debate with me? What are you afraid of?"

656 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:14:03am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

I was surprised to read not just one, but two reviews in the New York Times that trashed the SmartCar. I'd have thought the NYT would slobber over anything "green" and European.

I think for a scooting-round-town car, for one or two people, it would be fine. But I'll stick with my own car... 30 mpg highway, which is good enough, and tons of fun to drive.

I know young people living in NYC who subscribe [yes, subscribe] to the smart car. They love it, because when they need to, they can drive it places or do some (limited) shopping with it. Plus, they never have to worry about parking or maintenance. It seems to work in densely populated cities, where there is public transit for the weekday working schedule, and the smart car is good for a weekend get-away.

Here in LA, it would not be so smart. And probably most other smaller and spread-out places.

657 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:14:17am

re: #643 WriterMom

Babies give you unconditional demands: feed me, hold me, change me, burp me-and figure it out, damnit or I'm gonna scream my little lungs out. And of course they love you, but you don't always feel the love at first during those 2-hour feeding schedules.

These teens need to be showered with love themselves. Like I said-where are the parents?

They have been replaced by the State. I'll assume that since none of the girls are over 16, the girls themselves have no fathers at home, and are largely supported by welfare. The mothers are married to the State, and the children are being raised by the State.

They said they did it for "somebody to love them unconditionally", but I'm only buying that part way. It simply wouldn't do to say that if you have a child, then you get your own welfare benefits, and get to move out from Mom's roof. Especially if you go in on a place to live with some of your bestest friends ever.

658 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:14:55am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

I was surprised to read not just one, but two reviews in the New York Times that trashed the SmartCar. I'd have thought the NYT would slobber over anything "green" and European.

I think for a scooting-round-town car, for one or two people, it would be fine. But I'll stick with my own car... 30 mpg highway, which is good enough, and tons of fun to drive.

The biggest complaint of read about the Smart in road tests (Car and Driver and Road & Track) is the operation of the five-speed automatic (manumatic) transmission, whether you shift it or let it shift for itself. It also doesn't get spectacular gas mileage, plus you can buy other, larger cars that get just as good mileage, for the same price.

659 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:15:00am

re: #654 Occasional Reader

If only we could somehow squeeze fuel out of dustmites...

*Every* person's energy crunch would be solved. For life.

Of course, depending on your views, we would either develop more asthmatics or fewer...

660 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:15:20am

re: #644 bosforus

Darn it all, I missed the ID thread last night!

Never fear, I'm sure there'll be another one tonight.

/seems to be the latest LGF fad

661 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:15:33am

re: #650 Occasional Reader Audi TT ?! Hey I've heard of that - little bitty sports car that goes like a bat out of hell and looks really cool, right?
Or is it the four door, four wheel drive sedan that goes like a bat out of hell and looks pretty cool, right?

662 CoCo  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:16:18am

re: #660 Killian Bundy

I made the decision to boycott them :-)

663 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:16:32am

re: #641 realwest

Morning O.R.! Hope you're doing well today!
Uh, what kinda car do you have that gets 30 mpg on highway driving?

I get 33 with a 1999 Honda Civic. Got 35+ on gas, 33 with 10% ethanol.

664 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:16:36am

re: #656 Golem Akbar

Plus, they never have to worry about parking or maintenance.

I think you're talking about the "Zipcar" or other similar car-rental-by-the-hour businesses, not the SmartCar.

665 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:16:39am

re: #655 Kosh's Shadow
Woulda given you 10 updings for that one if I could!

666 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:16:57am
667 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:17:45am

re: #662 CoCo

I made the decision to boycott them :-)

That's intelligent.

668 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:18:00am

re: #654 Occasional Reader

If only we could somehow squeeze fuel out of dustmites...

300 million people someone can do it.

BTW, I'v e mentioned before that I post at [Link: www.wowowow.com...] a very liberal feminist website run by Leslie Stahl, Whoopie Goldberg, and others. Whoopie had wondered why taxes were so high, and so she interviews this economist who believe in Communism and says that Jesus was a Communist. If you read it you can see my length response as Bella Mia/tiger icon.

I also included this fabulous recent article by Walter Williams "Are American's Pro-Slavery," saying that we are essentially living like slaves to the government with all these taxes.

669 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:18:42am

re: #657 MajorPribluda

They have been replaced by the State. I'll assume that since none of the girls are over 16, the girls themselves have no fathers at home, and are largely supported by welfare. The mothers are married to the State, and the children are being raised by the State.

They said they did it for "somebody to love them unconditionally", but I'm only buying that part way. It simply wouldn't do to say that if you have a child, then you get your own welfare benefits, and get to move out from Mom's roof. Especially if you go in on a place to live with some of your bestest friends ever.

Notice how excited they are about the baby showers.

670 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:18:57am

re: #658 Ward Cleaver

The biggest complaint of read about the Smart in road tests (Car and Driver and Road & Track) is the operation of the five-speed automatic (manumatic) transmission, whether you shift it or let it shift for itself. It also doesn't get spectacular gas mileage, plus you can buy other, larger cars that get just as good mileage, for the same price.

The NYT pieces made both those points. They HATED the tranny - apparently it's a big kerrr-LUNK, jolt-everyone-in-the-vehicle shifting experience. And they also pointed out the okay but unspectacular mileage, plus that you felt it every time you ran over, say, a bit of dust mite excrement. Not thrilled about the handling, either; skinny tires, tendency to roll. (And people tend to forget, part of the concept of crash safety is the ability to AVOID a crash).

671 phoenixgirl  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:19:27am

TFK, is it a coincidence you mention obama and soros in the 666 comment?/

672 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:20:15am

re: #588 Vergeltung

I miss Lance, too. But there were times when he really needed to count ten, log off, and walk away for a breather. And didn't.

And there seemed to be times when some people would deliberately goad him into that state.

673 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:20:25am

Morning, everyone.

re: #670 Occasional Reader

The NYT hated a tranny?

*does not compute*

674 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:21am

re: #663 Kosh's Shadow


We average between 35-38 mpg on the highway with our 91 Civic and since we drive 100 miles round trip to and from work it is a god send after only getting 12 mpg in our 79 Chevy pickup (Scottsdale). The money we save in gas goes to the car payment.

675 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:23am

re: #661 realwest

Audi TT ?! Hey I've heard of that - little bitty sports car that goes like a bat out of hell and looks really cool, right?
Or is it the four door, four wheel drive sedan that goes like a bat out of hell and looks pretty cool, right?

The former. And while it's fairly itty bitty, you'd be amazed how much stuff you can cram into it with the rear seats folded down. Every December I've had it, I've managed to fit a Christmas tree into it, much to the amazement of the Christmas tree sellers in the parking lot at St. Sophia's church here in DC. Okay, an *apartment*-sized Christmas tree, but still.

676 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:24am

re: #664 Occasional Reader

I think you're talking about the "Zipcar" or other similar car-rental-by-the-hour businesses, not the SmartCar.


All I know is that it's called the Smart Car -- it's very small, no back seat, and looks like a stunt or circus car. It's available on a subscription basis. Maybe it's called something else, but the people I know call it a smart car. You may be right, however.

I wouldn't ever ride in one of those [famous last words?].

677 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:36am

Damn it, the 1.5 pounds of utter chaos named Billl has been here two days and turned off the computer power strip three times!

/not particularly cool when I'm running my trading platform

678 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:56am

re: #673 godfrey

godfrey-no joking here, the transvestites of Ontario are getting their sex "reassignment" paid for by OHIP, our provincial health plan.

Insulin is not covered, nor are many other treatments.

But sex changes-no problemo.

679 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:21:56am

The "Smart" car is good for little European city driving: you can't go fast enough to roll it, you have to park on a postage stamp, and for what you pay for gas, you could just as well fill your tank with cognac.

680 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:22:24am

re: #673 godfrey

Morning, everyone.

The NYT hated a tranny?

*does not compute*

They hated a tranny for not CHANGING fast enough. Is that better?

681 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:02am

re: #680 Occasional Reader

See my note about "t-girls" above...it's insane here.

682 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:03am

re: #678 WriterMom

The squeaky girl gets the grease.

683 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:17am

re: #678 WriterMom

godfrey-no joking here, the transvestites of Ontario are getting their sex "reassignment" paid for by OHIP, our provincial health plan.

Insulin is not covered, nor are many other treatments.

But sex changes-no problemo.

Do you have a link to an article? I post these at the wow site whenever they talk about wanting the government in charge of health care.

684 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:24am

re: #677 Killian Bundy

Damn it, the 1.5 pounds of utter chaos named Billl has been here two days and turned off the computer power strip three times!

/not particularly cool when I'm running my trading platform

Sounds like the kitty is working for the enemy. Have you checked to see if the treats he's eating are actually the ones you give him? That, or Bob is training him as a special ops cat.

685 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:35am

re: #680 Occasional Reader

DING DING! Algorithm situation normal.

686 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:37am
687 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:23:55am

re: #676 Golem Akbar

All I know is that it's called the Smart Car -- it's very small, no back seat, and looks like a stunt or circus car. It's available on a subscription basis. Maybe it's called something else, but the people I know call it a smart car. You may be right, however.

I wouldn't ever ride in one of those [famous last words?].

Okay, then I think you're talking about *both*... it's a SmartCar that's on a subscription service. (Which they do with other cars, too, including light utility vehicles, for when city dwellers need to haul furniture or something; makes a lot of sense.)

688 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:24:33am

re: #663 Kosh's Shadow
First and last new car I owned was a Ford Probe, six cyl, auto or elec shift - GORGEOUS car (Midnight Blue, grey leather interior), but was more show than go. Still, in 1990, I was getting 27 mpg highway (and some folks - mostly state troopers - said I drove with a lead foot, which was a LIE, damnit!) - no ethanol back then.
Seriously, it's incredible what kind of mileage you can get from ordinary cars if: you make sure your tires are properly inflated, your filters (all of 'em) are changed timely, and you don't drive like a maniac - you know the type, stoplight bandits we used to call 'em. Unless the driving situation (e.g., accessing a parkway or highway) requires it, stomping on the accelerator isn't much of a kick unless you have a car designed to throw you back into your seat when you do it!

689 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:24:35am
690 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:24:39am

Hmm, that Audi TT roadster looks pretty nice.

691 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:25:31am

re: #688 realwest

First and last new car I owned was a Ford Probe, six cyl, auto or elec shift - GORGEOUS car (Midnight Blue, grey leather interior), but was more show than go. Still, in 1990, I was getting 27 mpg highway (and some folks - mostly state troopers - said I drove with a lead foot, which was a LIE, damnit!) - no ethanol back then.
Seriously, it's incredible what kind of mileage you can get from ordinary cars if: you make sure your tires are properly inflated, your filters (all of 'em) are changed timely, and you don't drive like a maniac - you know the type, stoplight bandits we used to call 'em. Unless the driving situation (e.g., accessing a parkway or highway) requires it, stomping on the accelerator isn't much of a kick unless you have a car designed to throw you back into your seat when you do it!

When I'm driving interstate I can get 30 miles to the gallon with my 1999 Toyota Camry. That's going 65 or slightly less.

692 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:25:39am
693 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:25:48am

re: #682 godfrey

GAAA

Sticky note (LOL) reminder to myself-never talk about t-girls on LGF before second coffee.

694 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:26:31am

re: #683 DistantThunder

Linked ^ ^ ^

695 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:26:53am

re: #666 taxfreekiller

#655

Obama's handler Soros understands that risk is to high they will just play dodge ball on that until its to late and punt it away by the use of the msm to lie about what went down.

Just keep it up on what the right thing to do is and repeat it over and over.

I agree; Obama's handlers know he will lose badly in a debate.
And keeping the pressure on will also make him look bad, and cast doubt on Obama's abilities.
Slight win for McCain if Obama keeps refusing (as long as McCain keeps asking)
Big win if the debates occur.

696 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:26:57am

re: #688 realwest

First and last new car I owned was a Ford Probe, six cyl, auto or elec shift - GORGEOUS car (Midnight Blue, grey leather interior), but was more show than go. Still, in 1990, I was getting 27 mpg highway (and some folks - mostly state troopers - said I drove with a lead foot, which was a LIE, damnit!) - no ethanol back then.
Seriously, it's incredible what kind of mileage you can get from ordinary cars if: you make sure your tires are properly inflated, your filters (all of 'em) are changed timely, and you don't drive like a maniac - you know the type, stoplight bandits we used to call 'em. Unless the driving situation (e.g., accessing a parkway or highway) requires it, stomping on the accelerator isn't much of a kick unless you have a car designed to throw you back into your seat when you do it!

I watch the MPG. meter and coast to stop signs and lights, and do slower starts, and I can really milk a tank of gas.

697 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:27:23am

And here is a t-girl's desperate plea for help.

It's the least the taxpayers can do!

698 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:27:41am

re: #687 Occasional Reader

Okay, then I think you're talking about *both*... it's a SmartCar that's on a subscription service. (Which they do with other cars, too, including light utility vehicles, for when city dwellers need to haul furniture or something; makes a lot of sense.)


I remember first seeing the car in the newest Pink Panther movie (with Steve Martin as Clousseau). It was funny to look at, and every time I see one, it makes me laugh. I expect to see one parked, with dozens of clowns climbing out of it. I was surprised to learn that people actually drive around in it.

699 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:27:47am

re: #695 Kosh's Shadow

I agree; Obama's handlers know he will lose badly in a debate.
And keeping the pressure on will also make him look bad, and cast doubt on Obama's abilities.
Slight win for McCain if Obama keeps refusing (as long as McCain keeps asking)
Big win if the debates occur.

So what about a "standard" debate, with podiums and moderators and time limits? Surely Obama will go for one of those, as he will look so eloquent standing there, gazing into the distance.

/pulls out barf bag

700 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:28:16am

Money -

Can't Buy You Happiness - It can, however, allow you to rent a higher material standard of misery.

-S-

701 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:28:27am

good morning everyone,
i was thinking abt. michelle's new make over. i hope the public sees that a make over implies something wasn't desirable in the first place. what other future first ladies needed to be repackaged?
i also don't think her anger and belligerence can be masked. her handlers are going to get exasperated w/ that assignment.

702 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:28:33am

songbird and distant thunder

Gloucester is a few towns over from where I live.

When the original news of the number of pregnancies came out it didn't surprise me because of the demographics there, but the revelation that they planned it is jaw dropping.

703 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:15am

re: #619 Bubblehead II

Sure seems like that Arab editor understands Obama and the American political process. Wish I could say the same for most Jews.

704 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:37am

re: #631 WriterMom

Wow. This story pulls me in so many directions. Teenagers wanting to have babies to have something to love? Isn't that the saddest comment about what their family lives must be like?

Also, haven't they heard of pets? Sheeesh.

705 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:47am

re: #690 godfrey

Hmm, that Audi TT roadster looks pretty nice.

I got the Coupe. The roadster is nice, but leaves you with no cargo room at all.

706 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:50am

re: #689 WriterMom

Those who want the operation would have to undergo "very rigorous" psychological evaluations, the minister added.

Hahahahahah! Right.

He: I'm really a woman.
Minister: Are you now?
He: I'd like breasts, though.
Minister: Breasts, check. Anything else?
He: Removing this, actually.
Minister: (shielding eyes) You're sure?
He: Quite sure. I've been buying La Perla panties since I was ten.
Minister: Say no more. Here are the papers.

707 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:56am

ElBaradei: If you attack Iran, I quit - man, is that an offer too good to turn-down or what?

Email contacts for the various IAEA offices are located here.

I'm suggesting ElBaradei lower the threshold of his commitment to the mere 'threat of attack' and quit today.

708 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:29:58am

re: #692 taxfreekiller

Play connect the commies on Obama and all the Democrats.


And, if he does start to close himself off to a lot of questions, all that information can be put out there for the MSM to mull over. He'll be on the defensive until the election. Good move tfk.

709 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:00am

re: #697 WriterMom

And here is a t-girl's desperate plea for help.

It's the least the taxpayers can do!

Many of my t-girlfriends have cried to me that they regard their male genitalia as “tumours” or “cancerous growths,” but even so, what hope do we have of swaying public opinion that sex reassignment surgery (SRS, also known as a “sex change”) is crucial for our well being?

There are also people that believe they have been mistakenly born with 2 arms and 2 legs and petition doctors to cut one off. They say they were "meant" to only have one.

710 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:04am

re: #701 nyc redneck

amen.

711 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:07am

re: #675 Occasional Reader LOL! Same thing with my Probe - fold down cover over rear "seats" (yeah, for 5 year olds, maybe) and same thing with Xmas trees for the apartment!
Then most recent former wife said, oh so sweetly,
"Honey, you don't have to go get the car, the sign says "Free Delivery". But then again she never did understand driving cars rapidly - well, as rapidly as one can in mid-town Manhattan.

712 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:23am

re: #699 vxbush

So what about a "standard" debate, with podiums and moderators and time limits? Surely Obama will go for one of those, as he will look so eloquent standing there, gazing into the distance.

/pulls out barf bag

Looking down his nose at the rest of us.

713 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:30am
714 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:30:58am

Pregnant teenage taxpayer-funded transvestite dust mites! What is the world coming to?

715 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:31:27am

re: #704 lurking faith

Also, haven't they heard of pets? Sheeesh.

In my day, girls would bring their pet rocks to school, then it was beanie babies.

716 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:31:30am

re: #714 Occasional Reader

sounds like a new cartoon. a spin-off from teenage mutant ninja turtles.

717 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:31:32am

re: #690 godfrey

Hmm, that Audi TT roadster looks pretty nice.

I love mine. Not only is it a fun little car, whith all-wheel drive, it handles really well in the snow (something we get a LOT of in Chicago).

718 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:31:35am

re: #707 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

ElBaradei: If you attack Iran, I quit

Two for the price of one!

719 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:31:54am

re: #699 vxbush

So what about a "standard" debate, with podiums and moderators and time limits? Surely Obama will go for one of those, as he will look so eloquent standing there, gazing into the distance.

/pulls out barf bag

If there even was a single moderator willing to throw some surprise, hardball questions to Obama, that would be good. But they'll throw scripted softballs to Obama, and "when did you stop beating your wife" trick questions to McCain.
The MSM sucks - and even Fox is turning into MSM.

720 phoenixgirl  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:32:25am

is anyone missing their left foot?

721 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:32:43am

re: #718 MajorPribluda

Ooooh, double triple INSHALLAH with a cherry on top!

722 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:32:46am

re: #677 Killian Bundy

Damn it, the 1.5 pounds of utter chaos named Billl has been here two days and turned off the computer power strip three times!

/not particularly cool when I'm running my trading platform

I think you need to do an LOLCat thingy with Bill.

Ah haytz dur murkit.

723 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:32:58am

re: #702 loppyd

songbird and distant thunder

Gloucester is a few towns over from where I live.

When the original news of the number of pregnancies came out it didn't surprise me because of the demographics there, but the revelation that they planned it is jaw dropping.

The lowest class has been intentionally doing this. These kids can get good grades and go to community college for FREE.

724 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:32:58am

re: #703 David Simon

Sure seems like that Arab editor understands Obama and the American political process. Wish I could say the same for most Jews.


Most Jews don't get it, you are too right. To them, being a democrat is as Jewish as being, well, Jewish. [I don't have that problem. I am the product of a mixed marriage. My father was a Jewish Republican, my mother a Jewish democrat]

725 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:33:08am

re: #720 phoenixgirl

Oh gawd...I know-it's an awful story...you're talking about the British Columbia thing?

726 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:33:28am

re: #702 loppyd

songbird and distant thunder

Gloucester is a few towns over from where I live.

When the original news of the number of pregnancies came out it didn't surprise me because of the demographics there, but the revelation that they planned it is jaw dropping.

We have a very high pregnancy rate in our community - which is partially cultural and partially due to gang influence (girls inducted to gangs via sexual activity).

727 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:33:41am

re: #699 vxbush

So what about a "standard" debate, with podiums and moderators and time limits? Surely Obama will go for one of those, as he will look so eloquent standing there, gazing into the distance.

/pulls out barf bag

Speaking of people who have an unearned reputation for being "articulate"; Madeleine Albright was on C-SPAN this morning. And even though she was mostly talking about something on which I can agree with her (Hernando de Soto's theories about "legal empowerment" of the poor through property rights), I couldn't help but notice; she really doesn't speak very well. She kind of does this long, run-on sentences sprinkled with buzzwords, but that aren't very logically constructed.

728 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:33:46am

re: #678 WriterMom
WHAT? Insulin isn't covered but "that is"?! Yes sir folks, line up to see what socialized medicine can do to eliminate many of those pesky social security wannabes!
I mean, in all seriousness, they don't cover INSULIN? Holy Crap.

729 phoenixgirl  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:34:02am

re: #725 WriterMom

yes, pretty creepy

730 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:34:03am

re: #714 Occasional Reader

It's the Dead Thread, dude.

Buck up and enjoy the ride...

731 ex cathedra  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:34:16am

This weather report by the woman in a burqa (or, perhaps, the technical name is niqab) is insane! So we are to have TV presenters as ghosts, without a face? And I am always struck by a contradiction of having a woman in the strictest islamic garb to hold a public job like that. If she is so religious, shouldn't she stay at home? Is there a male relative sitting in the TV studio? (It's like seeing women in a hijab who wear tight, body-hugging clothes, which I've been seeing a lot lately. You know that this is not religious, but political).

732 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:34:24am

re: #720 phoenixgirl

is anyone missing their left foot?

Mr DT thinks he has 2 left feet. Actually, he has been learning salsa dancing with me - and is doing very well.

733 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:34:28am

re: #727 Occasional Reader

She kind of does this long, run-on sentences

Oops.

"Stupid irony!" (Homer Simpson voice)

734 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:35:04am

re: #731 ex cathedra

Linky?

735 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:35:24am

re: #719 Kosh's Shadow

You know I almost threw something at my TV yesterday. I was watching Fox and Friends (i know, lame) and Brian Kilmeade was interviewing an Obama handler about his position on the Supreme Court decision. The Obama guy kept saying "Obama believes we need to be pro-active in fighting terror. Obama believes we need to seek our terrorism" or something like that. HE SAID NOTHING about the supreme court decision or Baracks position. HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE FRIKIN QUESTION. No one called him on it. Gave him a pass. WTF is going on?

736 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:35:33am

Weather girls in niqabs ... I suppose they don't need umbrellas.

737 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:36:17am
738 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:36:45am

re: #717 David Simon

I love mine. Not only is it a fun little car, whith all-wheel drive, it handles really well in the snow (something we get a LOT of in Chicago).

Although I assume you changed out the factory "high performance summer tires" for that. They were TERRIBLE in snow. I switched last year to all-season high performance; the difference is tremendous.

739 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:36:51am

re: #691 vxbush 65 or less?! That's not highway driving, that's for the driveway! LOL!
Hmmm, maybe those State Troopers weren't completely wrong after all!

740 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:36:52am

Welcome to Germany

Boker effen Tov

741 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:36:54am

And 911 is coming up soon - thank goodness. It is a blessing in disguise that we have it all on tape from the very first crash.

742 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:37:04am

re: #705 Occasional Reader

I got the Coupe. The roadster is nice, but leaves you with no cargo room at all.

Very true. If you get a flat, it'll have to go in the passenger seat because it won't fit in the trunk.

743 phoenixgirl  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:37:12am

re: #732 DistantThunder

Mr DT thinks he has 2 left feet. Actually, he has been learning salsa dancing with me - and is doing very well.

very cool DT.

744 freetoken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:37:46am

re: #714 Occasional Reader

Pregnant teenage taxpayer-funded transvestite dust mites! What is the world coming to?

Intelligent Design believing pregnant teenage taxpayer-funded tranvestite dust mites who refuse public financing of their campaigns?

745 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:38:11am

re: #740 Ben Hur

Welcome to Germany

Boker effen Tov

Horrifying. Witness, your hostile overlords.

746 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:38:28am

re: #728 realwest

WHAT? Insulin isn't covered but "that is"?! Yes sir folks, line up to see what socialized medicine can do to eliminate many of those pesky social security wannabes!
I mean, in all seriousness, they don't cover INSULIN? Holy Crap.

It seems to all turn on the utilitarian concept of medicine. The old, the infirmed, and those who cannot contribute to society (like my son) are seen as a drag on the system, while any and all help is given to those who can work and thus "give" to society.

It used to be we would care for the worst-off in our society. That seems to be slowly changing.

747 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:38:40am

GENERATION HO

There's a stunning twist to the sudden rise in teen pregnancies at Gloucester High School. 17 students there are expecting and, according to a published report, most of them became that way on purpose.

Time Magazine is reporting that nearly half of the girls confessed to making a pact to get pregnant and raise their babies together. None of the girls is older than 16.

748 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:39:10am

re: #745 DistantThunder

Islamic jihad, bombing, chopping limb from limb ... it's all part of the rich tapestry of European life.

749 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:05am

re: #747 Ben Hur

GENERATION HO

REminds me again of the HBO series on our military Generation Kill. Should be Generation Protect America.

750 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:12am

re: #732 DistantThunder

Salsa music! Great stuff. They almost always have 3 or 4 trombones, and good ones. I played in salsa bands in my younger years, it was very good for me. I learned a) Spanish b) some dance moves c) how to handle myself in a knife fight.

751 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:16am

re: #699 vxbush
IF they have "standard debates" of the kind you describe, McCain will get killed - if they have real debates, where each candidate asks the other a question, the other candidate replies and the questioner candidate gets a rebuttal, then reverse it and ALL the moderator does is act as a timekeeper, McCain would kick Obama's ass all over the place.

752 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:18am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

I have a 2005 Corolla, and it gets on average 30+ mpg in mixed NYC area driving. It gets less in straight city driving, especially when the fuel is blended with ethanol (gee, what a great idea - a fuel that not only cuts into food stocks, but actually gets worse mileage).

And I can manage to haul 4 people comfortably - including 6 footers like myself. The smart car has its place, and could help go to the parking problem in the City, but it isn't a panacea either.

753 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:29am

re: #747 Ben Hur

"We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," he told Time.

"Will impregnate for food." Who could resist?

754 bellamags  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:30am

re: #735 bellamags

sorry, seek OUT terrorism

755 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:53am

So, just how soft on terror is Obama. Well, how about squishy?

756 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:40:55am

re: #740 Ben Hur

Welcome to Germany

Boker effen Tov

Gah!

757 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:15am

re: #749 DistantThunder

REminds me again of the HBO series on our military Generation Kill. Should be Generation Protect America.

I'm going to protest and drop my cable - I think - could make it a looong summer.

758 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:27am

re: #705 Occasional Reader Photos, please?

759 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:36am

re: #724 Golem Akbar

Most Jews don't get it, you are too right. To them, being a democrat is as Jewish as being, well, Jewish. [I don't have that problem. I am the product of a mixed marriage. My father was a Jewish Republican, my mother a Jewish democrat]

I'm very disturbed by what I'm hearing from a lot of Jews. They're looking for any reason, any reason at all, to vote for Obama. My father and a cousin (both of whom voted for Bush) are still undecided.

760 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:36am

re: #747 Ben Hur

GENERATION HO

Okay, THIS TIME I definitely get to ding you down for posting something that's already been posted (several times). HA!

761 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:47am

re: #753 godfrey

OMG

ROFL

/not really laughing, laughing-crying sort of thing.

762 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:41:48am
re: #747 Ben Hur

"We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," he told Time.

"Will impregnate for food." Who could resist?

Sounds like some statutory rape convictions in the future. Did the girls count on that?

763 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:42:05am

re: #750 rawmuse

Salsa music! Great stuff. They almost always have 3 or 4 trombones, and good ones. I played in salsa bands in my younger years, it was very good for me. I learned a) Spanish b) some dance moves c) how to handle myself in a knife fight.

Hilarious. While Mr DT was in the restroom, some young guy asked me to dance and was whirling me around the floor. So much fun.

764 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:42:32am

The Kid's at camp. The house is quiet.

NAP TIME!

Have a great day!

765 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:42:48am

re: #677 Killian Bundy
Sounds like you need to duct-tape a protective cover over that on/off switch! Maybe something like those plastic hat-shaped shower drain guards.

766 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:43:19am

re: #740 Ben Hur

Welcome to Germany

Boker effen Tov

well, as they say, they are not here to be equal, they are here to dominate.
(i guess the one lone german flag is to show where their aggressive display is taking place).

767 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:43:25am

re: #759 David Simon

I'm very disturbed by what I'm hearing from a lot of Jews. They're looking for any reason, any reason at all, to vote for Obama. My father and a cousin (both of whom voted for Bush) are still undecided.

They don't like republicans why again? Why would they want higher taxes?

768 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:43:31am
769 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:43:31am

re: #759 David Simon

A vote for Obama is a vote for defeat! A vote for Obama and his Israel and America-hating friends, spiritual advisors...willing to talk to Persian Nazis...able to leap tall buildings with HOPEANDCHANGE. What could possibly be a problem?

[THUNK]

770 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:43:55am

re: #758 realwest

Photos, please?

I don't have any on hand. Use the intertubes!

771 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:44:33am

re: #759 David Simon

I'm very disturbed by what I'm hearing from a lot of Jews. They're looking for any reason, any reason at all, to vote for Obama. My father and a cousin (both of whom voted for Bush) are still undecided.


I'm hopeful that as November draws closer, more people (and especially, from my vantage point, more Jews) will see McCain as the best hope for a sane, peaceful, democratic world. And that Obama is as bad a choice as can be. A lot can happen in four months...

772 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:44:47am

re: #738 Occasional Reader

Although I assume you changed out the factory "high performance summer tires" for that. They were TERRIBLE in snow. I switched last year to all-season high performance; the difference is tremendous.

Oh my goodness yes; you need all-season tires. (Not to mention the fact that (ridiculously expensive) Pirelli tires will flatten if you hit any pothole, no matter how small.)

773 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:44:52am

re: #768 ploome hineni

via COmmentary

I am sure the MSM will hop right on it

The rules only apply to the little people, and republicans, but I repeat myself - Obama

774 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:45:36am

The hotter the salsa, the better it is.

775 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:45:45am
776 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:45:45am

re: #766 nyc redneck

well, as they say, they are not here to be equal, they are here to dominate.
(i guess the one lone german flag is to show where their aggressive display is taking place).

Or it's the one lone German in the building.

You know, I'm not "anti-immigrant" or anything, but when you look at a display like that, you have to ask; if y'all like Turkey so much, well... there's a fairly obvious question here, no?

777 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:45:54am

re: #769 WriterMom

A vote for Obama is a vote for defeat! A vote for Obama and his Israel and America-hating friends, spiritual advisors...willing to talk to Persian Nazis...able to leap tall buildings with HOPEANDCHANGE. What could possibly be a problem?

[THUNK]

Turns out we've been offering Iran all sort of incentives and promises - groveling - now A-had says he's won.

778 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:46:23am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

I'm guessing it has to do with the Euro 2008 tournament.

Go Portugal!

779 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:46:45am

re: #760 Occasional Reader

I figured.

I don't scroll up.

Posting is Therapy.

780 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:47:27am

Time to rouse the 16 year old from her first summer day. It's almost 11 - she'll be up half the night. Shes' a night owl anyway.

781 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:47:27am
782 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:47:39am

re: #768 ploome hineni

via COmmentary

I am sure the MSM will hop right on it

Sigh. Sure, just like the media in Illinois outside of Chicago has covered the trial--NOT.

We don't watch TV at night anymore because there is literally nothing on. The TV news is just a rehash of what I've already learned on the Internet throughout the day and often *intentionally* does not cover parts of the story that I have already found out. And our local library sucks big time in terms of what books its carries.

If I felt better, my house would be spotless. Absolutely spotless.

783 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:48:54am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

Yes, the obvious question is: what more are we gonna have to do to get these idiotic kufar krauts out of our country?

784 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:48:56am

re: #778 godfrey

I'm guessing it has to do with the Euro 2008 tournament.

Go Portugal!

Ah. Hadn't thought of that. For that, specifically, I give 'em a pass.

785 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:10am

Netanyahu: Government's consent to ceasefire inconceivable

Opposition leader slams government's decision to agree to ceasefire with Gaza militants, says Israel achieved nothing but Hamas' future rearmament

"I would like to know, what did we achieve here exactly? Hamas will not stop rearming – (Hamas politburo chief) Khaled Mashaal said they wouldn't and the defense establishment already said the truce will be fragile.

786 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:24am

re: #746 vxbush
"It used to be we would care for the worst-off in our society. That seems to be slowly changing."
Indeed, in some places - like Canada, apparently - it would seem that the changing is to make things as bad as possible for the worst off in our society.
What ever happened to the idea that we'll (Americans) will take care of those of our own who are unable to care for themselves?

787 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:47am

re: #777 DistantThunder

Turns out we've been offering Iran all sort of incentives and promises - groveling - now A-had says he's won.


He's been calling our bluff for quite a time, now. It's time (to continue the poker metaphor) to lay down our cards, and show the little Persian what we've really got. Obama won't do it. He'd fold 'em. It's gotta be either Bush or McCain.

788 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:48am

re: #783 WriterMom

Yes, the obvious question is: what more are we gonna have to do to get these idiotic kufar krauts out of our country?

What's the Turkish word for lebensraum?

789 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:49am

re: #779 Ben Hur

Posting is Therapy

Heh.

790 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:49:52am

Sorry to go into something personal but my car was struck by lightning this morning and it stopped it dead. I was able to start it again after three or four cranks though. Does anyone have experience with this? The car seems to be ok but could it have affected the electrical systems? The consensus among my fellow workers is that I should immediately go out and buy a lottery ticket.

791 maddogg  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:50:13am

I can't believe it. The Democrats want to nationalize the oll industry and hardly anyone says a word, even here. Hugo Chavez will be an invited guest in the White House.

792 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:50:14am

re: #767 DistantThunder

They don't like republicans why again? Why would they want higher taxes?

My deep-seated suspicion is that a lot of Jews have an irrational fear of conservative Christians, and they associate the Republican party with their egregiously incorrect perception of them. But I'm afraid it's an enigma that can never totally be explained.

793 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:50:16am

And in the let's-waste-more-time-department:

Flickr Spy

Copying to the linkviewer above.

794 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:50:49am

re: #785 Bubblehead II

Olmert gets to claim that he got the rockets to stop falling on Sderot, or other such nonsense, even as the IDF continues to monitor terrorists rearming and preparing for a war against Israel.

795 songbird  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:50:57am

re: #790 redheadredstate

Sorry to go into something personal but my car was struck by lightning this morning and it stopped it dead. I was able to start it again after three or four cranks though. Does anyone have experience with this? The car seems to be ok but could it have affected the electrical systems? The consensus among my fellow workers is that I should immediately go out and buy a lottery ticket.

By all means get the lottery ticket!

796 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:51:48am
797 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:51:51am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

Or it's the one lone German in the building.

You know, I'm not "anti-immigrant" or anything, but when you look at a display like that, you have to ask; if y'all like Turkey so much, well... there's a fairly obvious question here, no?

what other immigrants do that. certainly not most who arrive here and are proud to be americans.

798 2by2  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:52:31am

re: #749 DistantThunder

Good Morning All,
Generation Kill is based on a rather good book by Rolling Stone writer Evan Wright, who rode into Iraq with the first Recon Marines, spearheading the invasion.
It's about how these brave guys get through it all despite stupid miss-assignments ,
using a Recon unit for assault purposes with inadequate weapons, riding non-armored Humvees. It's worth reading, if you deem Apocalypse Now as a good account of war time experience.
(posted this before on another thread)

799 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:52:49am

re: #770 Occasional Reader Well ok, but what color is yours?

800 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:52:50am

re: #790 redheadredstate

Sorry to go into something personal but my car was struck by lightning this morning and it stopped it dead. I was able to start it again after three or four cranks though. Does anyone have experience with this? The car seems to be ok but could it have affected the electrical systems? The consensus among my fellow workers is that I should immediately go out and buy a lottery ticket.

Were you in the car when it was hit? From your first sentence, it sounds like you were. In theory, as long as the electricity has some way to vent to the ground, the systems may be okay. But rubber tires don't really give that kind of grounding.

801 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:53:18am

re: #791 maddogg

I can't believe it. The Democrats want to nationalize the oll industry and hardly anyone says a word, even here. Hugo Chavez will be an invited guest in the White House.

Some are pointing it out. The socialists in this country think that they are ascendant - and with Obama at the helm, they think they can do what they've been denied since January 1981.

It's up to the rest of us to make sure that it never happens. All the talk about nationalizing the refineries and oil industry shows just how disconnected these people are from economics and the basics of supply and demand. Nationalizing does nothing to increase the supply. It will actually bring about increases in oil prices and slow growth of that industry even beyond what the government already imposes.

802 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:53:26am

re: #792 David Simon

My deep-seated suspicion is that a lot of Jews have an irrational fear of conservative Christians, and they associate the Republican party with their egregiously incorrect perception of them. But I'm afraid it's an enigma that can never totally be explained.


I'm glad you said that. It can't rationally explained. Jews don't always vote their self-interest. Despite that, they survive. I sure don't understand it.

803 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:53:38am

re: #791 maddogg

The Democrats want to nationalize the oll industry

Other than the inarticulate Maxine Waters stupidity from a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything on the Dems (or which Dems) wanting to nationalize the oil industry. Anyone got a link?

804 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:05am

re: #788 Occasional Reader

Yep.

Don't know.

What's "European" for 'you really fucked up your continent royally with WWII and the Holocaust and then inviting massive waves of Islamic immigration to replace the dead Jews and other innocents slaughtered, so looks good on you".

I guess that's a little schadenfreudy, but whatever.

805 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:26am

re: #747 Ben Hur

BEN HUR!

It's hard to drive through downtown Gloucester w/o seeing a very, very young woman who is pregnant - or pushing a baby carriage.

806 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:27am

re: #769 WriterMom

A vote for Obama is a vote for defeat! A vote for Obama and his Israel and America-hating friends, spiritual advisors...willing to talk to Persian Nazis...able to leap tall buildings with HOPEANDCHANGE. What could possibly be a problem?

[THUNK]

Last night my father asked me why, if Obama is not a good friend to Israel, are so many rich Jews supporting him? I kid you not.

807 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:36am

re: #790 redheadredstate

Sorry to go into something personal but my car was struck by lightning this morning and it stopped it dead. I was able to start it again after three or four cranks though. Does anyone have experience with this? The car seems to be ok but could it have affected the electrical systems? The consensus among my fellow workers is that I should immediately go out and buy a lottery ticket.

You should also see whether your car has acquired superpowers.

808 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:40am

re: #790 redheadredstate

Sorry to go into something personal but my car was struck by lightning this morning and it stopped it dead. I was able to start it again after three or four cranks though. Does anyone have experience with this? The car seems to be ok but could it have affected the electrical systems? The consensus among my fellow workers is that I should immediately go out and buy a lottery ticket.


I kinda doubt that it actually got hit. A bolt may have struck very, very, close by that would have cause an electrical disturbance in the area that may have been sufficient to shut the engine off. I have seen, up close and personal, what a lightning strike would do. You would have had major, major body damage.

809 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:54:46am

Well, if the Dems nationalize oil and gas, it will be free.

And very scarce.

810 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:55:05am

re: #789 WriterMom

Heh.

It has taken the place of me yelling at the tv and radio.

811 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:55:06am

#800 vxbush

Yes, I was driving down the road when it struck my car. There was all this blue light and then my car just went dead. I felt some tingling in my legs (not like Chris Matthews tho) but that was it. My co-workers think it may have struck NEAR my car instead of actually on it since the tires weren't fried.

812 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:55:43am
813 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:55:46am
814 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:55:53am
815 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:56:04am

re: #806 David Simon

Oslo Syndrome.

816 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:56:14am

You know, this FlickrSpy is kind of hypnotizing.

817 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:56:20am

re: #801 lawhawk

Some are pointing it out. The socialists in this country think that they are ascendant - and with Obama at the helm, they think they can do what they've been denied since January 1981.

It's up to the rest of us to make sure that it never happens. All the talk about nationalizing the refineries and oil industry shows just how disconnected these people are from economics and the basics of supply and demand. Nationalizing does nothing to increase the supply. It will actually bring about increases in oil prices and slow growth of that industry even beyond what the government already imposes.


Right. The blogosphere should lead the charge. This is too important to leave to the MSM, who dithers over anything contrary to their own narrow and shallow world view.

818 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:57:00am

re: #812 buzzsawmonkey

The luck was not being in the car when it was hit. Fuggetabout the lottery ticket.

819 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:57:03am

re: #799 realwest

Well ok, but what color is yours?

I ain't tellin'. OpSec and all that...

820 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:57:22am

re: #805 loppyd

Why don't they just get puppies like Paris?

821 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:57:54am
822 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:57:56am

Well gotta hop y'all - chores to do and all that jazz.
I hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

823 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:19am
824 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:24am

#790 redheadredstate
If you know someone with a scan tool, you should check if it set any codes.

825 loppyd  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:28am

re: #820 Ben Hur

Why don't they just get puppies like Paris?

Puppies don't ensure them a free place to live and a check every month.

826 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:35am

You know, I think the truce will hold till Sunday. The terms of the truce are that as long as it holds, Israel opens the borders after 3 days. As soon as Hamas & co. feel they comfortably get through the border crossing, there is going to be some serious terrorist attacks.

So the hours-till-truce-breaks countdown is gonna be a while.

827 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:40am

re: #813 ploome hineni

he needs our prayers

Nigerian navy says U.S. captain taken by gunmen

Gah. That's awful.

May a SEaL team find him soon, and unharmed; and may his kidnappers suffer numerous 5.56mm leaks.

828 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:58:48am

re: #821 Iron Fist

,

Four years of Carter II and there may not be an Israel to worry about.

horrifying thought

829 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:59:13am
830 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 7:59:49am

re: #817 Golem Akbar

Right. The blogosphere should lead the charge. This is too important to leave to the MSM, who dithers over anything contrary to their own narrow and shallow world view.


This is the United States
It should not even be discussed
Any socialist talking elected official should be recalled and end of discussion

831 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:00:14am

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll take it into the shop and have them look it over for damage. It seems to be ok. I've been told that I lead a charmed life and I guess this is proof.

832 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:00:16am
833 Sunlight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:00:17am

re: #691 vxbush

When I'm driving interstate I can get 30 miles to the gallon with my 1999 Toyota Camry. That's going 65 or slightly less.

With my 1987 Camry, I used to get 26 in town (23-24 if I was running the air conditioner) and 28-29 highway (slightly less with air conditioner). I have replaced it with a Prius, which seems to get 48 - 50 summer and 42 - 44 winter. Apparently battery temp is the variable.

I'm not a tree hugger in the obstinate sense (and am 100% advocate for innovation, technology, entrepreneurial solutions, etc.). But I am in favor of removing brown smog lines for our breathing pleasure, running mines so that we don't have to keep kids out of arroyos and rivers far downstream from the mine, etc. because the water is poisoned, etc. Practical stuff and solvable by technology.

I lived in SoCal most of the 70s. In La Jolla, we kept nail polish remover by the door to take the tar off our feet before we tracked it all over the (dump of a) house. In December, we visited family in Huntington Beach, with the oil platforms offshore... and guess what? NOT A BIT OF TAR ON THE FEET. The environmentalists are advocating cave life, which is actually the worst possible environmentally... SoCal has done a great job cleaning up the smog and tar. Now they need to put their money where their mouth is and install nuclear and/or solar desalinization for their greedy water needs rather than desertifying the entire west by draining the inland water to the beach.

834 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:00:43am

re: #806 David Simon

Last night my father asked me why, if Obama is not a good friend to Israel, are so many rich Jews supporting him? I kid you not.


I want to add one more thing: many (not all) Jews no longer feel anything toward Israel. There's a lot of reasons for that, mostly revolving around the fact that they are too involved in their own assimiliation into western culture, and have divorced themselves from any Zionist idealism.

835 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:00:44am

re: #744 freetoken

Intelligent Design believing pregnant teenage taxpayer-funded tranvestite dust mites who refuse public financing of their campaigns?

Intelligent Design believing pregnant teenage taxpayer-funded tranvestite dust mites who refuse public financing of their campaign Corvettes?

836 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:01:24am

re: #823 ploome hineni

#792 David Simon

yes

2000 years of religious persecution will do that

You would think that the last 15 years of vehement anti-semitism from the democratic left ( meaning the bulk of the party ) and the recent treatment of Joe Lieberman might start to balance all that out?

837 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:01:50am

re: #677 Killian Bundy

Damn it, the 1.5 pounds of utter chaos named Billl has been here two days and turned off the computer power strip three times!

/not particularly cool when I'm running my trading platform

LOL

"Bill the Cat" eh? ( ACK!) He looks like he's got a bit of a "c-attitude" on him!

/cute fella though...

838 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:01:50am
839 Sunlight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:02:06am

re: #771 Golem Akbar

Dreeeam! Dream Dream Dream Dream, Dreeeam!

840 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:02:09am

re: #832 Ben Hur

ACLU asks Feds to remove "unindicted co-conspirator" label from "grand jihad"-linked Islamic groups

Need anymore proof that the ACLU has it out for Christians?

The ACLU has it out for AMERICA!

841 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:02:09am

re: #814 taxfreekiller

First debate question for Obama.

From McCain,

Do you have your wallet with you, and if so please hand me 40% of your cash , and you will do so willingly if your true in your commie belief system?

Just 40%? You're getting soft...

842 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:02:46am
843 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:02:52am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Other than the inarticulate Maxine Waters stupidity from a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything on the Dems (or which Dems) wanting to nationalize the oil industry. Anyone got a link?

maxine waters awkward revelation abt. wanting to take over the oil companies was probably not well received by the leftist goons who hope to gain power and initiate that plan as the opportunity presents itself.
they may not be talking abt. it but they intend to do it.

844 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:08am

re: #801 lawhawk

Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), member of the House Appropriations Committee and one of the most-ardent opponents of off-shore drilling
1115
We (the government) should own the refineries. Then we can control how much gets out into the market.

Oh. My. God.

Hey, Maurice (some people call me Maurice); wouldn't it be great if the government controlled food distribution, too? And medicine? Clothing? That way, "we can control how much gets out into the market"!

Maurice Hinchey (D-Havana)

845 vxbush  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:09am

re: #833 Sunlight

SoCal has done a great job cleaning up the smog and tar. Now they need to put their money where their mouth is and install nuclear and/or solar desalinization for their greedy water needs rather than desertifying the entire west by draining the inland water to the beach.

I realize that desalination plants are expensive, but I have yet to understand why California hasn't built at least one to help with their water needs. It just seems like the most obvious solution.

846 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:26am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Other than the inarticulate Maxine Waters stupidity from a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything on the Dems (or which Dems) wanting to nationalize the oil industry. Anyone got a link?

They haven't directly called for it, but Obama's and Hillary's (to name two) calls for a resurrection of the WPT were calls for de facto nationalization IMHO. (Not unlike Chavez's "you better be 'fair' or we'll impose price controls" threat to several Venezuelan industries.)

847 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:38am

re: #830 LeftJustAintRight

This is the United States
It should not even be discussed
Any socialist talking elected official should be recalled and end of discussion


Yes...yet the reality is not so cut and dried. It'll take a lot of persuasion and a lot of publicizing of the facts. We can and should do it. Thanks to the Lizard King for leading the charge.

848 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:40am

re: #765 lurking faith

Sounds like you need to duct-tape a protective cover over that on/off switch! Maybe something like those plastic hat-shaped shower drain guards.

/that might not be a bad idea, thanks

849 ex cathedra  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:03:41am

re: #734 WriterMom

Linky?

On the front page - the link to the article added recently.

850 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:04:02am

re: #843 nyc redneck

maxine waters awkward revelation abt. wanting to take over the oil companies was probably not well received by the leftist goons who hope to gain power and initiate that plan as the opportunity presents itself.
they may not be talking abt. it but they intend to do it.

Some Democratic congressman said yesterday that we should nationalize the refineries.

851 Sunlight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:04:09am

re: #843 nyc redneck

maxine waters awkward revelation abt. wanting to take over the oil companies was probably not well received by the leftist goons who hope to gain power and initiate that plan as the opportunity presents itself.
they may not be talking abt. it but they intend to do it.

I think they'll figure out some way to nationalize through court decisions.

852 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:04:29am

re: #815 WriterMom

Oslo Syndrome.

Yeah, and we all know how well that turned out.

853 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:04:42am

re: #844 Occasional Reader

(some people call me Maurice)

Coz he speaks of the properties of looovvve.

854 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:11am
855 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:18am

From the, "It's all About Israel Jihad" Files, 4 more Thais were killed by Islamists in Southern Thailand.

856 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:25am

re: #852 David Simon

{sigh}

857 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:45am
858 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:49am

re: #806 David Simon

Last night my father asked me why, if Obama is not a good friend to Israel, are so many rich Jews supporting him? I kid you not.

Cause too many jews are too used to voting Democratic. Old Habits die hard.

and SADLY, the Jewish American Population is growing less and less attached to Israel.

According to a recent study, less than half of jewish americans under the age of 35 would view the destruction of Israel as a "personal tragedy"

859 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:05:57am

re: #836 Nevergiveup

You would think that the last 15 years of vehement anti-semitism from the democratic left ( meaning the bulk of the party ) and the recent treatment of Joe Lieberman might start to balance all that out?


Again showing what a lie the anti-semites are saying. Jews do not vote their self-interest. They do not rule the media. They are not smarter than everyone else. Otherwise there would be no Jewish leftist/democrats any longer.

860 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:06:06am
861 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:06:33am

re: #853 WriterMom

Coz he speaks of the properties of looovvve.

No, "pompitous"! One of the best-ever made-up words.

862 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:15am

re: #861 Occasional Reader

Get out. All these years I have been thinking it's properties.

GA. I am mortified.

Must check lyrics.com

863 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:27am

re: #861 Occasional Reader

No, "pompitous"! One of the best-ever made-up words.

Plus, the only time this particular Maurice speaks of "property" is when he's talking about expropriating it.

864 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:43am

re: #688 realwest

I keep the tires inflated and the filters changed, but I must admit I do drive like a maniac at times. I drive in DC and Baltimore, and a willingness to throw the car around a bit at the right moment can halve your driving time... (I try hard to remember not to do this when I'm not actually in a hurry, except of course when I'm avoiding an accident.)

I do think we citizens should consider banding together and withholding taxes until the local transportation officials work out new traffic light timings that would NOT force people to stop at PRACTICALLY EVERY @#$$^%&! LIGHT on major arteries under normal conditions, driving at the speed limit, and pulling away from the previous light with moderate acceleration. And these officials would not be paid another penny of salary until they got it right.

Imagine how much extra mileage we'd all get if we didn't have to stop and start all the time. Or speed and/or accelarate hard in order to avoid stopping at almost all the lights.

There's a major road I have to drive on once or twice a week, and no matter the time of day, or the amount of traffic, or the direction I'm driving, I invariably have to stop at every single light. Traffic planning that's THAT bad really takes talent.

865 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:45am
866 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:47am

re: #859 Golem Akbar

Again showing what a lie the anti-semites are saying. Jews do not vote their self-interest. They do not rule the media. They are not smarter than everyone else. Otherwise there would be no Jewish leftist/democrats any longer.

When I am not furious about it, I want to cry.

867 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:07:54am

re: #838 buzzsawmonkey

She is locked into the "Roosevelt and liberalism are G-d" view that is all too widespread in her generation

Just out of curiousity, does she acknowledge that the New Deal didn't do jack shit when it came to lifting the country out of its economic doldrums (except perhaps, make it worse)?

868 godfrey  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:08:02am

re: #861 Occasional Reader

Pompatus of Love.

A step up from the "Wombat of Affection," you could say.

869 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:08:45am

re: #857 Iron Fist

,

It is a horrifying thought. The damage an Obama Administration can do is very real. It may be irrecoverable, especially to Israel. Four years is a long time to have a pro-Hamas Administration in charge. He said he wants an undivided Jerusalem, but he didn't say who'd be in charge.

Obama scares me, he really does. Either he really believes the bullshit about Winnie the Pooh, unicorns and puppies, he's a lightworker, etc., in which case he is delusional, or he is a total snake who is willing to play that he believes such nonsense to fool the gullible.

Either way, he is unfit for office. The choice this election should be very clear.

I'm afraid that Obama will win. The consequences will be dire, any way you stack them up.

Yeah, I agree. I can only hope the majority of Americans do as well.

870 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:09:04am
871 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:09:13am

re: #865 ploome hineni


many (not all) Jews
that you know

find new friends

I already have. They see me walking down the street and cross over to the other side. And that is just fine by me!

872 seekeroftruth  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:09:49am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Other than the inarticulate Maxine Waters stupidity from a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything on the Dems (or which Dems) wanting to nationalize the oil industry. Anyone got a link?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

873 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:09:56am

re: #864 lurking faith

I do think we citizens should consider banding together and withholding taxes until the local transportation officials work out new traffic light timings

DC is indeed AWFUL in terms of traffic light timing! Manhattan is much, much better at that.

874 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:09:59am
875 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:10:27am

re: #870 Ben Hur

Hamas television presents: How to kidnap an IDF soldier

I got an e-mail about this Palestinian Media Watch.

/is waiting for the next Israeli election
// is praying McCain wins

876 incanus  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:10:46am

Obama opts out of public financing, claiming it will out him at a disadvantage against John McCain.

Now how do you feel about this election?

877 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:10:54am

re: #868 godfrey

Pompatus of Love.

It's hard to have an argument about how to "correctly" spell a made-up word!

878 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:11:28am

re: #874 ploome hineni

oh

2000 years of torture, slaughter and expulsion vs "15 years of vehement anti-semitism from the democratic left"

piece of cake

The isolationist and anti-Semitic Republican party of the past is NOT responsible for all that.

879 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:12:00am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Other than the inarticulate Maxine Waters stupidity from a week or two ago, I haven't seen anything on the Dems (or which Dems) wanting to nationalize the oil industry. Anyone got a link?

Fox News has it here...Maurice Hinchey is among those calling for nationalization of refineries.

880 rlevitin  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:12:45am

re: #865 ploome hineni


many (not all) Jews
that you know

find new friends

I am in a number of jewish/israel advocacy groups on my campus, and I have to tell you, the majority of jewish students find the issue of Israel/Palestinians emotionally exhausting the point of forcibly shutting out any talk of it.

It was only once Israel Apartheid Week came about, and students no longer felt safe wearing Megan Davids around their necks, that many felt the need to get active.

881 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:12:47am
882 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:05am
883 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:27am

re: #865 ploome hineni


many (not all) Jews
that you know

find new friends


You mean and find new family?
However, I don't usually judge people on their political views, alone. Remember the Obama ad with the slutty girl who won't sleep with the guy because he is not a democrat? Most of my friends are democrats because most of my acquaintenances are democrats. Plus, I'm inner directed and don't need to be surrounded by mini-me's.

884 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:35am

re: #823 ploome hineni

#792 David Simon


yes

2000 years of religious persecution will do that

It's important to learn about the past - not to live in it.

885 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:44am
886 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:48am
887 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:13:52am

re: #864 lurking faith

To me, the keys to getting through DC relatively quickly are 1) Rock Creek Parkway (but look out for that unpredictable southbound bottleneck at Calvert), and 2) Mass Ave. And despite its horrible traffic light timing, Reno Drive is often preferable to Connecticut or Wisconsin Aves.

888 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:14:32am

Meet the New Opiate... (same as the old opiate)

889 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:14:43am

re: #850 Nevergiveup

Some Democratic congressman said yesterday that we should nationalize the refineries.


If that were to happen, when the inevitable shortages begin to occur all over the country, calls will be made to nationalize the service stations to equitably distribute the supply. Can you imagine the people at your local DMV being in charge of something so important? Only Dems can come up with such hare brain schemes.

890 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:14:48am
891 Sunlight  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:14:58am

re: #834 Golem Akbar

I want to add one more thing: many (not all) Jews no longer feel anything toward Israel. There's a lot of reasons for that, mostly revolving around the fact that they are too involved in their own assimiliation into western culture, and have divorced themselves from any Zionist idealism.

I would agree with you regarding the current "parent" generation. However, the "kid" generation is different. They are being raised on the amazement that is Israel (including URJ), are going on trips there with their parents, are choosing (an amazing number) to do a high school semester, or a summer, or a college year in Israel, are going on their birthright trip and staying to work on the kibbutz... and URJ has even started supporting the idea of aliya. In Modi'in, there's a URJ (or whatever they call Reform there) synagogue that just got govt funding to build a real building away from the hostilility of the orthodox daveners... (although, if I were them, I would take the initial grant just to publicize their "official" acceptance, but then reject any more govt funding so that they are not answerable in any way to the govt rabbis. That is something the U.S. has shown to be of great benefit - no govt involvement in religion).

But these same people are addicted to the "hipness" of the dem identification, seemingly no matter what they do.

892 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:15:20am

re: #877 Occasional Reader

But not hard to agree that 'I really like your peaches, want to shake your tree' is amazing.

893 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:15:53am

re: #883 Golem Akbar

You mean and find new family?
However, I don't usually judge people on their political views, alone. Remember the Obama ad with the slutty girl who won't sleep with the guy because he is not a democrat? Most of my friends are democrats because most of my acquaintenances are democrats. Plus, I'm inner directed and don't need to be surrounded by mini-me's.

Maybe, But I am finding it increasingly difficult to be around anyone who is supporting Obama. Unless they can articulate a rational reason why Obama deserves their support, and of course they can't, I am prone to rudely dismiss them as the rubes they are.

894 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:16:03am

Down here in my part of Texas the Barnett Shale is making news. My house and the whole neighborhood is sitting on one of the richest pockets of natural gas in the shale. They're estimating that there is millions of dollars of natural gas all around the North Texas area. Gas wells have been going up all over the place for the last couple of years. It's very difficult to get to the gas in the shale because they have to drill sideways and this costs a lot more than conventional drilling. At least here in Texas we are trying to find domestic energy sources.

895 David Simon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:16:20am

re: #834 Golem Akbar

I want to add one more thing: many (not all) Jews no longer feel anything toward Israel. There's a lot of reasons for that, mostly revolving around the fact that they are too involved in their own assimiliation into western culture, and have divorced themselves from any Zionist idealism.

I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment. Most of my family, save for one brother who's a complete loon, are ardent supporters of Israel.

Think Alan Dershowitz.

896 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:16:21am
897 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:16:53am
898 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:17:09am

re: #885 ploome hineni

you were talking about Christians, n'est pas?

You lost me, but I have a hunch we are basically on the same page so...

899 2by2  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 8:17:26am

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