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Pat Buchanan on Fox News Again

Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:04:12 pm PDT

Yes, again.

If Fox News is trying to sabotage the GOP, this is a terrific way to do it.

Where have you gone, William F. Buckley?

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1 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:05:05pm

Lotsa' people wondered why I despised that man in the 1990s.

2 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:05:24pm

Patty and Ailes go way,way back...

3 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:05:48pm

He's mad.

4 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:05:50pm

Where is the Antidote for this poison?

5 kevinmumaw  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:06:27pm

I was sitting in my office on the computer with Fox News blaring in the background, as is standard in the Mumaw home, and I thought I heard Pat...in fact, I think I hear him again!

6 HelloDare  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:06:28pm

Wish we could mix thread headline and be able to say, Buchanan on Mars.

7 kevinmumaw  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:07:39pm

OT? BTW anyone see Apocalypto? I got the Blu-Ray from Netflix today and watched it. I thought it was impressive.

8 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:08:15pm

Buchanan did one good thing: he did keep The Goracle from winning Florida.

Otherwise, his expiration date is way past.

9 Optimizer  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:08:17pm

Charles! Make him stop! :)

10 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:08:48pm

Maybe the other usual guest commentators in the line-up are on vacation. He is not even entertaining.

11 Charles  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:09:32pm

"Disgusted" doesn't even begin to describe it.

If Fox News is trying to sabotage the GOP, this is a terrific way to do it.

12 kevinmumaw  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:10:35pm

re: #10 snowcrash

Maybe the other usual guest commentators in the line-up are on vacation. He is not even entertaining.

Margaret Hoover was on tonight...she is super lovely!

13 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:11:15pm

re: #3 Ojoe

He's mad.

Barking mad.

14 BGOH  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:12:23pm

re: #11 Charles

Exactly. There is a reason why MSNBC has been using him as the voice of conservatism in their "coverage" of events for years. It isn't a good one, so far as conservatism is concerned.

15 boiledwombat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:12:41pm

One of the Saudi princes has an influential stake (more than 12% ownership) in Fox News.

I expect that an anti-Jewish commentator will be a persistent and welcomed feature on that channel - it's all so "Fair and Balanced" of course.

Even better that Pat Buchanan is labeled as a "conservative" and can sow confusion into the infidel ranks.

/sarc off

16 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:13:01pm

I'm just curious, as I must admit that I've never heard this story he is pimping. Is there even a tiny shred of truth to any of that bunk? Considering the source, I suppose I can answer my own query.

17 kevinmumaw  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:13:20pm

A tribute to Pat

18 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:13:52pm
19 BGOH  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:13:56pm

re: #16 Cartman

I'm just curious, as I must admit that I've never heard this story he is pimping. Is there even a tiny shred of truth to any of that bunk? Considering the source, I suppose I can answer my own query.

No.

20 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:14:01pm

re: #13 Syrah

Barking mad.


I heard him last night on "Howl of the Wolf Headlines", hosted by Liberal Leftists for Luna-See

21 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:14:55pm

re: #19 BGOH

No.

That's not quite what I was looking for.

22 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:16:00pm

re: #7 kevinmumaw

OT? BTW anyone see Apocalypto? I got the Blu-Ray from Netflix today and watched it. I thought it was impressive.

Never saw it in HD, but I thought it was a great movie.

23 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:17:59pm

Am I glad I wasn't watching Faux News tonight. I have just about given up. If I had been watching? 1 TV would have been destroyed, so help me.

WTF is wrong with what used to be a mostly reasonable source of news?

/Who next? Rosie?

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:18:12pm

Conservatism needs a nap.

25 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:18:35pm

re: #23 NY Nana

Am I glad I wasn't watching Faux News tonight. I have just about given up. If I had been watching? 1 TV would have been destroyed, so help me.

WTF is wrong with what used to be a mostly reasonable source of news?

/Who next? Rosie?

no,Huckabee...

26 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:18:51pm

re: #14 BGOH

Exactly. There is a reason why MSNBC has been using him as the voice of conservatism in their "coverage" of events for years. It isn't a good one, so far as conservatism is concerned.

True, but on MSLSD nobody saw him, except deranged moonbats.

27 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:19:12pm

Lizard News Channel...

28 BGOH  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:19:27pm

re: #21 Cartman

That's not quite what I was looking for.

Sorry. It's about bedtime for me. I'll just say this: his premises are so far off base as to make the entire manuscript a steaming pile of garbage.

29 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:19:53pm

re: #15 boiledwombat

I expect that an anti-Jewish commentator will be a persistent and welcomed feature on that channel - it's all so "Fair and Balanced" of course.

/sarc off

They do have a self-hating Jewish Demonrat...Girly Man.

30 Boolz  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:20:53pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Fahrenbalanced 9/11?

LOL

Seriously though, I don't think Buchanan is going to give a huge, enthusiastic endorsement of McCain anyway

31 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:21:22pm

re: #29 NY Nana

They do have a self-hating Jewish Demonrat...Girly Man.

/Now now, quit picking on Geraldo...

32 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:22:18pm

We could ask Fox to interview Joe American...

joe@joeamerican.us

33 Thanos  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:22:27pm

They need a new booking agent at Fox, seriously. Badly. There are tons of new faces they could be putting on instead.

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:22:54pm
35 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:23:29pm

re: #33 Thanos

They need a new booking agent at Fox, seriously. Badly. There are tons of new faces they could be putting on instead.

As long as they don't get rid of "War Stories".

36 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:23:36pm

Skeletor.

37 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:23:36pm

re: #28 BGOH

Sorry. It's about bedtime for me. I'll just say this: his premises are so far off base as to make the entire manuscript a steaming pile of garbage.

The reason I asked is that we've all heard of celebrations post-911 by people of Arabic/Islamic descent right here on our soil. I had never heard of a so-called Israeli connection to those disgusting displays. Did he (or someone else) just make up that crap about the moving company, etc.?

38 nichtdhimmi  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:24:11pm

Somebody enlighten me. Are Ron Paul and Pat related, ideologically? Don't they both believe the Mossad are responsible for 9/11? Aren't they both Troofers? Dressed-up antisemites?

39 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:24:37pm

re: #30 Boolz

LOL

Seriously though, I don't think Buchanan is going to give a huge, enthusiastic endorsement of McCain anyway

No. Not a chance of that.

40 Geekasaurus  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:25:27pm

re: #23 NY Nana

Am I glad I wasn't watching Faux News tonight. I have just about given up. If I had been watching? 1 TV would have been destroyed, so help me.

WTF is wrong with what used to be a mostly reasonable source of news?

/Who next? Rosie?

I rarely turn my TV on. I turned it on last week for 30 minutes, and ended up watching the History Channel while I ate dinner. I'm not sure which made me more sick: the History Channel or my dinner. In any case, I turned it off and am doing my part to save energy by not turning it on again for a long time. If I want news, I will go to Fox's website.

Mostly; I don't want news. My mind is like a computer: garbage-in=garbage out. The more I leave it turned off the smarter I become.

I am now listening to a some classical piano music and LGF'ing. Soon I will do something even smarter and crawl into bed. Its amazing how liberating it is to turn OFF the TV, and leave it off.

I strongly encourage my fellow lizards to also turn off the TV and become smarter.

41 infidel Alan  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:25:39pm

Oh-oh. McCain has said he's going with public financing of his campaign while Obama is not. McCain will be outspent 3 to 1, not that he wasn't toast already.

42 Charles  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:26:08pm

Amazingly, despite all the theories, it turns out that Pat Buchanan is only 6,000 years old.

43 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:26:12pm

re: #25 joecitizen

Forgot! And I actually was thinking he might be a good candidate...but that was before I knew very much about him. And Lanny Davis is now working for them. *spit* When the LA Times seems shocked...

Watch...Rosie will replace Hannity, who seems increasingly weird.

/Maybe they ate some of the bad tomatoes?

44 Thanos  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:26:56pm

re: #35 rightwinger3

As long as they don't get rid of "War Stories".

With you on that one, it's a fave for my dad and I.

45 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:27:01pm

re: #42 Charles

Amazingly, despite all the theories, it turns out that Pat Buchanan is only 6,000 years old.

I think his skull is filled with some primordial ooze.

46 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:27:06pm
47 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:27:37pm

re: #20 Carridine

I heard him last night on "Howl of the Wolf Headlines", hosted by Liberal Leftists for Luna-See

I not sure what Howl of the Wolf Headlines is but it led me to some Howlin' Wolf...

48 Thanos  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:27:55pm

As soon as his book tour is over I hope they forget he exists again.

49 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:28:03pm

re: #45 MandyManners

I think his skull is filled with some primordial ooze.

naw,just cheap wine..

50 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:28:25pm

Buchanan reminds me of George McGovern

51 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:28:46pm

re: #31 Bob in Breckenridge

/Now now, quit picking on Geraldo...

Ha! I haven't even started on him yet...thanks for the reminder!

What a bloviating putz.

/I self-nominate that for a rotating title.

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:28:56pm
53 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:29:02pm

re: #37 Cartman Hello my friend - yes Pat Buchanan made them up - or heard someone else say it and then - with his usual uncritical mind regarding Jews, regurgitated it.

54 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:29:09pm

re: #48 Thanos

As soon as his book tour is over I hope they forget he exists again.


he's had 10(!) frickin' best sellers..he'll be back...

55 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:29:35pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Conservatism needs a nap.

Conservatism does not need a nap. Conservatism needs some balls. It needs the balls to tell Pat Pukakanan to blow it out his posterior and leave the GOP and conservatives the hell alone.

The world would have been done a hell of a favor if Bush had appointed him the governor of the Farallon Islands or some other such godforsaken hell'n'gone to keep him out of our hair. (only half joking.)

Seriously, every time that poor excuse of a man opens his trap and says something awful, the RNC should put out a press release expressing how happy the Party is that Pat Buchanan abandoned the party to run against Bush in 2000, and that the party is much better off without him.

56 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:29:46pm

re: #47 experiencedtraveller

An early musical hero... along with Wolfman Jack... Muddy Waters... Huddy Ledbetter...

and an LP of Plains Indians Chants from the turn of the century, ET...

57 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:31:20pm

re: #42 Charles
Are you sure about that - he sure seems a LOT older than that, although the Anti-Semitic bullshit he's peddling isn't.

58 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:31:42pm

re: #43 NY Nana

Forgot! And I actually was thinking he might be a good candidate...but that was before I knew very much about him. And Lanny Davis is now working for them. *spit* When the LA Times seems shocked...

Watch...Rosie will replace Hannity, who seems increasingly weird.

/Maybe they ate some of the bad tomatoes?

He has to do a show with Colmes...every weekday...

59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:31:57pm
60 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:32:15pm

Welcome to the world of the MSM's absolute power over America. They didn't do it alone. The schools helped.

61 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:32:59pm

re: #60 Egfrow

and Hollywood.

62 Thanos  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:33:07pm

I knew Pat Buchanan wasn't really one of us back in the 90's from his numerous crossfire appearances.

Read down here, you can see he really agrees with leftist loon nihilist Jeremy Rifkin, indeed they are kindred souls.

[Link: eddriscoll.com...]

63 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:33:20pm
Pat Buchanan on Fox News Again

Better get used to it, he seems to be a new, regular H&C contributor, doesn't seem like he's going anywhere fast.

/speaking of travesty, anyone notice that Fox picked up Lanny Davis?

64 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:33:27pm
65 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:33:36pm

re: #53 realwest

Hello my friend - yes Pat Buchanan made them up - or heard someone else say it and then - with his usual uncritical mind regarding Jews, regurgitated it.

Thank you, RW. That's all I wanted to know. Let me know what's up with you via e-mail sometime, if you'd care to.

66 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:33:59pm

re: #55 Syrah Actually, William F. Buckley Jr. (RIP) did in fact throw Buchanan out of the Conservative movement - and rather forcefully at that in the early '60's I believe, for his Anti-Semitic Views.
Pat Buchanan is only a "conservative" in the eyes of people who hate conservatives or are fascists themselves.

67 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:34:24pm

How old is Pat anyway?
I know he's LOOOOOOOOOOONG past retirement age.

68 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:34:33pm

re: #61 Tarkus289

Hollywood is the MSM's headquarters. It's where Marxists dream of the gumdrop utopia everything is free and everyone has it.

69 Bob in Breckenridge[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:34:42pm
70 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:36:07pm

re: #51 NY Nana

Ha! I haven't even started on him yet...thanks for the reminder!

What a bloviating putz.

/I self-nominate that for a rotating title.

I knew who you meant. But he kinda fit the demographic also. : )

71 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:36:17pm

re: #67 wolfie

How old is Pat anyway?
I know he's LOOOOOOOOOOONG past retirement age.

See Charles' #42.

72 Dianna[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:36:49pm
73 Pastorius  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:37:16pm

Yes, I believe Fox is trying to sabotage Republicans. There is no excuse for putting Pat Buchanan on TV. His ideas fit with Keith Olberman, but he calls himself a Republican.

Additionally, Buchanan has proven himself to be an anti-Semite and historical demagogue.

74 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:37:20pm

re: #66 realwest

Actually, William F. Buckley Jr. (RIP) did in fact throw Buchanan out of the Conservative movement - and rather forcefully at that in the early '60's I believe, for his Anti-Semitic Views.
Pat Buchanan is only a "conservative" in the eyes of people who hate conservatives or are fascists themselves.

Unfortunately, Buckley didn't realize the only way to keep Buchanan out was to drive a stake through it's heart.

75 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:37:32pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge
was the racist tinged comment yours?

76 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey
They were all in Amerindian languages, but a couple of them reached right through the decades and grabbed me, Buzz, grabbed me heart and soul...

77 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:37:45pm

re: #66 realwest

Actually, William F. Buckley Jr. (RIP) did in fact throw Buchanan out of the Conservative movement - and rather forcefully at that in the early '60's I believe, for his Anti-Semitic Views.
Pat Buchanan is only a "conservative" in the eyes of people who hate conservatives or are fascists themselves.

Some things need to be repeated until the message becomes clear. The RNC needs to repeatably denounce that creep.

I am happy to hear that WFB Jr. did that. The party should at least have half the courage and integrity of WFB.

78 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:38:03pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, white house white was a typo. I cut and pasted it.

79 realwest[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:38:37pm
80 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:38:47pm

re: #56 Carridine

and an LP of Plains Indians Chants from the turn of the century

Now THAT I would definitely try. Got a link?

81 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:39:25pm

Fox has been pining for McCain for a while now and has assisted in shutting out the debate of Rommney, Thompson, and Giuliani. Even Rupert Murdoch believes Obama is a "Rock Star"

82 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:39:26pm

re: #78 Bob in Breckenridge Cut and pasted it from what?
Something you wrote?

83 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:39:57pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge

Keep the white house what?

84 swamprat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:40:01pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge

I'm telling EVERYONE that if the GOP plays this right, we can keep the White House white and take back the house and senate THIS YEAR! Write a new "Contract With America", and it needs to be done soon, within 3 months AT THE LATEST.


you're kidding, right?

85 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:40:23pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge

Please check you Swastika at the door.

86 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:40:37pm

re: #69 Bob in Breckenridge

WHAT THE FUCK? How stupid do they think we are?

Plenty. So far, they are right. We are stupid and the polls prove it.

87 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:41:21pm

re: #77 Syrah Amen to that; if the GOP had half the courage and integrity of William F. Buckley, Jr. all of us who are Republicans would be a hell of a lot better off than we are now.

88 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:41:38pm

re: #78 Bob in Breckenridge

It should be deleted.

While it might be a cut and paste. I think it would look no better then some of the more outrageous post on the Obama site if it were to remain.

89 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:42:11pm

Bob report yourself for editing. That comment cannot stay.

90 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:42:31pm

re: #80 experiencedtraveller

Sorry, ET, I lost the records circa 1972... it was a 2-LP set, if that helps, and I haven't searched for it for decades, Dewd...

/if you FIND THEM, please rattle my cage

91 legion  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:44:20pm

Kooky Buchanan wrote another book, its a bestseller, so he's on. Fox News is the one news channel to watch over all the others, what else are you gonna watch, PMSMBC? The Clinton News Network? Of course not. So stop ripping it. I also say don't let the White House turn Pinko- Commie which Obama and his America hating bomb throwing ilk are. Like they used to say in the 50's - better dead than Red!

92 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:44:47pm

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

"Girliman" always sounded to me like a name out of Lord of the Rings.

So help me, we could have a contest to see who Colmes most resembles in LOTR...my kids know all about it, but I really do not.

Lizards, any suggestions?

93 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:45:12pm

I sent that stupid Hannity a scathing email. The man, and several other talk show turds seem to be pushing for an Obama victory and dreaming of the big conservative landslide of 2012. He's such a fool

94 mr. beamish  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:45:20pm

Again, it must be said.

Pat Buchanan left the Republican Party in 1999, he wanted conservatives to follow him.

No conservatives in the Republican Party noticed that he left.

95 freakagriep  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:46:00pm

re: #92 NY Nana

Golem.

96 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:46:16pm

re: #92 NY Nana
Well, first off he resembles Saruman the Slimy

97 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:46:33pm

FWIW, I think McCain's taking public money is going to work in his favor for at least two reasons:
1. ALL of the polls I've read so far (if you go deep enough into them) have show that McCains' "Trust" factor is significantly higher that is Obama's. This move by McCain can only add to that, and I'll continue to believe that Americans will vote for, ultimately, the candidate that they can trust.
2. Obama would have had waaay more money than McCain even if McCain had also turned away
public funding.

98 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:46:53pm

re: #66 realwest

Actually I think it was in the late 1980's. Buchanan was a fierce anti-communist and Cold Warrior and, as long as that was Pat's main concern, he fit in w/ the conservative movement as a whole. Buchanan was not particularly hostile to Israel as long as they were pro-US and their enemies were pro-USSR.

Once the Cold War was over, minor differences became a sizeable rift, and the first place it showed up was in the attitude toward Israel. Buckley was convinced that Buchanan's views were not merely "criticisms of Israeli policy," but anti-semitic. At that point Buchanan had not shown his cards the way he has now, BTW, and many thought Buckley was possibly over-reacting. W/in a few years Buckley was more than vindicated, as we all know.
I remember following the controversy in National Review back then. Perhaps some other lizards do as well.

99 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:47:13pm

re: #38 nichtdhimmi

Somebody enlighten me. Are Ron Paul and Pat related, ideologically? Don't they both believe the Mossad are responsible for 9/11? Aren't they both Troofers? Dressed-up antisemites?

Short answer: Yes.

They are both the same special kind of ignorant, ueber-patriotic, isolationist, classically wrong-headed type of demagogue who's ideas date to the era roughly bracketed by William of Orange and Woodwow Wilson. They couple an admirable faith in the United States as an idea, with bigotry and foolishness that wouldn't be out of place at a KKK barbecue. They've gone so far 'round the bend we don't know what road they're on. They're so far right that they've gone left, and vice versa, and the only thing we're sure of is that precious few of their ideas would actually work in the real world.

100 rightwinger3  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:48:16pm

re: #92 NY Nana

So help me, we could have a contest to see who Colmes most resembles in LOTR...my kids know all about it, but I really do not.

Lizards, any suggestions?

Golem.

101 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:48:38pm

re: #78 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, white house white was a typo. I cut and pasted it.

Then ask that it be deleted!

102 Colonel Panik  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:48:49pm

re: #92 NY Nana

So help me, we could have a contest to see who Colmes most resembles in LOTR...my kids know all about it, but I really do not.

Lizards, any suggestions?


I don't know about Colmes but lots of people have said that Carville looks like Gollum.

Lord of the Flings: Starring Bill Clinton as Freedough Baggits.

103 legion  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:48:55pm

Obama has the anti-American billionaire George Soros behind him, plus most of the newspapers and television stations and NPR. We only have a few papers, Fox News and Conservative Talk-radio, and common sense.

104 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:49:02pm

re: #72 Dianna

Diana! I just dinged you down and reported you....only because you quoted something that was deleted. :O I feel mean!

105 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:49:10pm

The key to winning this year will be for our side to personally convince all of the "common sense" democrats that we know that obama is a farce.
Just give them the 5 minute run-down of all of his nonsense, and show them a clip or two including that 52 second anti military screed. While you are at it show them 2 or 3 pictures of the Twin Towers, intact and during and after. Common sense will prevail.

Never underestimate the curtain.

106 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:49:14pm

re: #40 Geekasaurus

I strongly encourage my fellow lizards to also turn off the TV and become smarter.

I would require a 12-step program..I used to, as a kid, watch test patterns, as TV was not 24-hours a day.

107 Thanos  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:49:15pm

time to get some sleeps.

108 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:49:22pm

re: #100 rightwinger3

Not really.

Actually, Colmes doesn't resemble any LOTR character. Not even Grima Wormtongue.

109 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:04pm

Um, Charles - would you kindly delete my comment #79 as I was so angry I unwittingly quoted the relevant racist text.
Sorry.

110 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:04pm

re: #104 wolfie

Don't worry about it. I should have known better.

111 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:10pm

re: #108 Dianna

Not really.

Actually, Colmes doesn't resemble any LOTR character. Not even Grima Wormtongue.

What about Ted the Miller's son?

112 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:19pm

re: #100 rightwinger3

I think you mean, Gollum

/a Golem is an animated humanoid made from clay or wood or stone...

113 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:39pm

re: #92 NY Nana

So help me, we could have a contest to see who Colmes most resembles in LOTR...my kids know all about it, but I really do not.

Lizards, any suggestions?

I think Alan Colmes looks like a penis with eyes

114 Stinky Beaumont[deleted]  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:50:46pm
115 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:51:11pm

re: #109 realwest

I don't remember which comment mine was, but it should be deleted, as well.

116 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:51:28pm

This nonsense about how WW2 was unnecessary?! What a crock. Hitler laid it all out in Mein Kampf. Germany needed Lebensraum, and the way to get it was to conquer Russia, kill off the Russians or enslave them, and re-people the place with Herrenvolk.

Now with that for an agenda, the Russians had no options. You can't cut a deal---how about if we just give you Russia up to the Arctic circle, and you let us keep Murmansk? Thinking in wider circles, what is Britain supposed to do? Stand aside? Her turn will come, and when it does, she won't have any chance at all.

What is the U.S. supposed to do? That sort of megalomaniac agenda has no end point we could have accepted. The only real possibilities, from where things stood in 1936, were war sooner, with better odds and lower casualties, or war later, with worse odds and heavier casualties.

So why is Buchanan pushing this book? An analogy comes to mind. Poland=Israel. And one more clue, one that Buchanan might not quite twig to: Daladier=Buchanan.

117 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:52:08pm

re: #111 Syrah

Huh?

Ted appears only in the Scouring of the Shire, and he's a watchman; he doesn't sound like Colmes, he sounds confused.

118 iowahawk  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:52:26pm

To be fair, Buchanan sounds better in the original German.

119 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:53:02pm

re: #118 iowahawk

To be fair, Buchanan sounds better in the original German.

Well said, IowaHawk

120 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:53:36pm

re: #118 iowahawk

We've been saying that since the 80's.

121 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:53:44pm

re: #104 wolfie

Diana! I just dinged you down and reported you....only because you quoted something that was deleted. :O I feel mean!

I did that to a couple of other quoters! Sorry! :O

122 Carridine  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:54:21pm

Gotta boogie, Lizards...

See You Later
CUL

123 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #105 Tarkus289 Never underestimate the curtain indeed. Please see my #97, first point.
It also explains why all the polls were SO WRONG about Kerry v. Bush in 2004. I do believe that rational people ulitmately pull the lever the the candidate in whom they feel they can place the most trust.

124 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:55:47pm

re: #121 wolfie

You were quite right to do so.

Don't worry about it.

125 gman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:55:52pm
But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.
Not until midwinter 1942 was the Wannsee Conference held, where the Final Solution was on the table.

And why did Hitler invade Russia? This writer quotes Hitler 10 times as saying that only by knocking out Russia could he convince Britain it could not win and must end the war.

This was just posted today on Buchanan's website.... pure crap!

126 Colonel Panik  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:56:08pm

re: #118 iowahawk

To be fair, Buchanan sounds better in the original German.


Actually it should be Spanish. Buchanan is a clerical fascist. Franco is his hero. He's as much as said so on several occasions IIRC.

Franco may be "still dead" as they said in that old SNL skit but the Partido Falangista is not. Look at all those Falangist videos in the youtube link.

127 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:56:36pm

If you want to understand WW2, and I mean really have an insight kind of understanding, see Downfall. The last survivor from the bunker insists that the movie overplayed a lot of things for drama, but Bruno Ganz' Hitler illustrates the man better than most history texts, IMO. Germany is ruined, the world is burning, everything is lost, and the man sits at his desk and tells his people "Well, at least I killed the Jews." He really was a broken soul, and a true believer in his own special destiny.

Also instructive would be a bit of study directed towards guys like Henry Ford, or Joe Kennedy, who approved of, or accomodated, the very same madman.

128 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:56:41pm

re: #95 freakagriep

Golem.

We have a winner! I could not think of his name! Thanks.

129 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:56:51pm

re: #65 Cartman Hey my friend - I might get around to it, but I'm not sure it's something you want to hear right now.
Truly sorry.

130 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:56:57pm

Dianna - tried to reply about the July meet - but found no way to email at your link. Did I miss something?

131 U.S.S. Nixon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:57:03pm

They allow him on MSNBC because he hates Neo-Con's so he will attack Bush etc. I saw the interview I thought it was a good one. He brought up a lot of good points.

132 stevieray  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:57:20pm

re: #98 wolfie

I remember those days.

Pat Buchanan is not conservative, he is right wing.

The right wing is to conservative as the left wing is to liberal. The two "wings" are generally authoritarian versions of their ideological cousins, and are able to hide among the libs and cons because they have some beliefs in common, and they often use the same language as their hosts. But you'll find they often are aiming for a vastly different outcome despite their surface similarities.

133 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:58:31pm

re: #107 Thanos

Sweet dreams!

134 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:58:40pm

re: #130 slokat

Try again?

Actually, give me a moment for some account management, and I'll delete my URL; it's not really working anyway.

135 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:59:22pm

I can still remember a time when I was an optimist.
But, the memory is fading.
Sort of like my eyelids are now.
Later, Lizards.

136 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:59:34pm

re: #114 Stinky Beaumont Hey Stinky - nice avatar, but if I were you I'd ask the boss for some power tools!

137 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 9:59:47pm

#130 slokat

Try now.

138 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:00:10pm

re: #117 Dianna

I may be wrong, or pickled with Gin, but I think he was also in the first part of the fellowship. Sam had a dust up with him in the green dragon before the adventure started IIRC.

I think he resembles Colmes in that he like Colmes, he lives with us in the "shire", but is willing to carry watter for our destroyers.

139 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:02pm

re: #125 gman

Sounds like Buchanan is blaming Britain and Churchill for the Holocaust!

I often think that the man is so terrified of a real war with the jihadis that he would sacrifice Israel "peace at any price" or even sacrifice other small states. Buchanan is a truly sick frightened old man who should leave the national stage and take his ugly conspiracies with him.

140 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #132 stevieray

I remember those days.

Pat Buchanan is not conservative, he is right wing.

The right wing is to conservative as the left wing is to liberal. The two "wings" are generally authoritarian versions of their ideological cousins, and are able to hide among the libs and cons because they have some beliefs in common, and they often use the same language as their hosts. But you'll find they often are aiming for a vastly different outcome despite their surface similarities.

He's Reich Wing, just like the Kosites like to say! LOL.

Pat Buchanan, Reich-Wing Rethuglican, and that's no joke...

141 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:39pm

re: #138 Syrah

The fellow they got Bill the pony from? That wasn't Ted.

I'd have to look up his name, and I think he was one of Saruman's half-orcs from Isengard.

142 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:42pm

re: #113 SpartanWoman

I think Alan Colmes looks like a penis with eyes

Are you trying to promote some sort of birth control? ;)

143 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:52pm

Um, forgot to mention, didn't notice anyone else say, last night on "So You Think You Can Dance", the last couple both wore blue kaffiyeh-style scarfs.

144 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:01:56pm

re: #132 stevieray

Wings isn't a good metaphor anymore...

The right Remora? The left Fungi?

In truth they are feeding of the energy and vitality of their hosts, and slowly draining them of both.

145 Boolz  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:02:19pm

re: #138 Syrah

you are correct sir...anybody for Colmes as "the Mouth of Sauron" from the Return of the King?

146 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:02:41pm

re: #144 slokat

Wings isn't a good metaphor anymore...

The right Remora? The left Fungi?

The left (cloven) hoof.

147 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:02:59pm

re: #129 realwest

Well, I'm here if you need a sounding board, my friend.

148 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:03:01pm

re: #145 Boolz

Does Colmes lack any other identity that The Mouth of...?

149 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:03:47pm

re: #139 SpartanWoman

Sounds like Buchanan is blaming Britain and Churchill for the Holocaust!

I often think that the man is so terrified of a real war with the jihadis that he would sacrifice Israel "peace at any price" or even sacrifice other small states. Buchanan is a truly sick frightened old man who should leave the national stage and take his ugly conspiracies with him.

Reminds me of Jimmy Carter.

150 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:03:56pm

re: #137 Dianna

#130 slokat

Try now.

Good thing we've both got partners... that brings back memories.

/

151 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:04:12pm

re: #147 Cartman
Thank you my friend. I will drop you a short e-mail, just to keep you posted on things.

152 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:04:59pm

Charles has a point here. Buchanan is not a Republican but plays one on TV.

153 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:05:17pm

re: #141 Dianna

In the Shire, at the local tavern, Ted was rude to Sam and The Gaffer; and was talking about progress and getting rid of the old ways.

Bill the Pony was given to Sam in Bree, and that's where you're thinking of the one that looked more than a little like he was half-orc. :)

154 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:05:33pm

Colmes is from the plant Xzfozna, he is 11 million years old, and has a brain the size of 1 ingot of Finkilium.

155 SpartanWoman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:05:33pm

re: #149 MandyManners

But somehow worse as he claims to be conservative. Take away his pro-life stand and a few minor details and he is really little different from the KOS kidz

156 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:05:59pm

re: #150 slokat

Yes, but...more to the point, did you send an e-mail? I know my nic is blue.

157 realwest  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:06:12pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep (after I write an e-mail) and so must say goodnight.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road.

And I still say WOW about the ice on Mars!

Goodnight all.

158 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:06:48pm

re: #153 gop_patriot

I thought there was some confusion among characters!

159 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:06:50pm

re: #142 NY Nana

Are you trying to promote some sort of birth control? ;)

Too late!

160 Cartman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:07:00pm

G'nite, RW.

161 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:07:07pm

Dianna got D'd? Sweet, smart Dianna?

162 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:07:33pm

If it weren't so miserably hot, I'd be in bed by now.

163 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:07:36pm

re: #141 Dianna

First part of the book. Before the wraths come looking for Frodo . . .

Sam essential had a long standing personal feud with him. I think it was a tying up of loose ends that Sam gets to face him again in the end.

Again, IIRC.

(I was really surprised by my response to the movies. I was able to spot most places were the lines and the story was changed. I had no idea that I had memorized so many of the details. It took a bit to put that aside so that I could enjoy the movies.)

164 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:08:04pm

re: #127 Pawn of the Oppressor

One of the things that impresed me the most about Hitler's final weeks is how much he wanted Germany to fight until every building was leveled and no Germans were left standing.......to go out in a kind of Gotterdammerung. He was disappointed the whole country didn't commit suicide.
He loved his idea of Germans, but not the actual people, who in any case needed his prescriptions to be purified and made new. In the end, he would have liked to see them all dead.

165 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:08:26pm

re: #161 pat

I quoted what I shouldn't have. My own fault.

Wolfie quite correctly reported me, in case Stinky missed my error in judgment.

166 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:08:36pm

re: #162 Dianna

Sorry, it is beautiful in my part, perfect Spring night.

167 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:09:29pm

re: #159 LeePro

OMG I just read SpartanWoman's description of Alan Colmes, LOL! I must have scrolled by it on accident before. Too funny.

/how are you, Lee? Did you see my new avatar? ;)

168 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:09:35pm

Wouldn't it be good if we could rate a comment from the SPY? Yes I know, lazy, lazy.

169 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:10:03pm

re: #165 Dianna

I quoted what I shouldn't have. My own fault.

Wolfie quite correctly reported me, in case Stinky missed my error in judgment.

I knew you would not be a party to distasteful talk. :)

170 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #166 Tarkus289

Oh, it's beautiful, if you're sitting outside, sipping wine with your significant other. It's not so good if you're lying on a tempurpedic mattress trying to sleep while your shoulder screams at you.

171 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:10:44pm

re: #169 pat

Thank you for your vote of confidence!

172 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:10:54pm

Nighty-night, Lizards!

173 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:11:56pm

re: #156 Dianna

had trouble deciding if the code had OO's or 00's in it... got past the super secret barrier and sent you an email, thanks!

174 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:12:16pm

re: #158 Dianna

:)

Well there are alot of weird names in those books, by gosh. LOL
Easy to confuse them even if you've read them many times, like we probably both have. ;)

175 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:12:35pm

re: #172 MandyManners

Goodnight, sleep well. :)

176 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:13:12pm

re: #173 slokat

Got it, and replied.

Details will be coming in the morning.

177 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:13:49pm

re: #174 gop_patriot

It's not just the names, it's the number of incidents with minor characters.

178 Dan G.  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:14:26pm

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Letters to Fox News might facilitate that...

179 Clemente  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:14:46pm

Could we get Patrick a bus ticket? I understand there's an open seat or two on the Obamamobile...

180 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #167 gop_patriot

OMG I just read SpartanWoman's description of Alan Colmes, LOL! I must have scrolled by it on accident before. Too funny.

/how are you, Lee? Did you see my new avatar? ;)

Hi. {gop}! I'm fine. How are you?

Ummm... your new avatar. Tired and very dense tonight...

? ? ?

181 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:15:10pm

re: #93 SpartanWoman

I sent that stupid Hannity a scathing email. The man, and several other talk show turds seem to be pushing for an Obama victory and dreaming of the big conservative landslide of 2012. He's such a fool

Yep, but they "support the troops" and are "true patriots" who just want to have the Obama debacle so the "True Conservatives" can rise again.

idiots

182 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:16:42pm

re: #155 SpartanWoman

But somehow worse as he claims to be conservative. Take away his pro-life stand and a few minor details and he is really little different from the KOS kidz

The result of the GOP obsession with abortion above all other issues.....

183 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #159 LeePro

Too late!

Oy! You are right...and look what he really looks like. Oh, the humanity!

184 winston06  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:17:08pm

Sean Hannity called him "My Friend". That's disgusting... I changed the channel once he appeared there and I kinda turned to my friend in the room saying plz change the channel I dont want to see this Fascist on tv.

185 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:17:14pm

re: #181 funky chicken

Do you really think Sean Hannity is in the bag for Obama? His radio show sure isn't!

186 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:17:28pm

re: #143 itellu3times

Um, forgot to mention, didn't notice anyone else say, last night on "So You Think You Can Dance", the last couple both wore blue kaffiyeh-style scarfs.

Er, also on Fox, fwiw.

187 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:17:29pm

re: #139 SpartanWoman

Sounds like Buchanan is blaming Britain and Churchill for the Holocaust!

I often think that the man is so terrified of a real war with the jihadis that he would sacrifice Israel "peace at any price" or even sacrifice other small states. Buchanan is a truly sick frightened old man who should leave the national stage and take his ugly conspiracies with him.

I do not think he is motivated by fear. I do not think he is frightened.
He is a tough cookie and was a hard Cold Warrior.
I think the main problem w/ him is anti-semitism and a consequent loathing of Israel. I don't say that's all that motivates him, but it's the key factor.

188 Boolz  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:18:28pm

re: #148 Dianna

Does Colmes lack any other identity that The Mouth of...?

If you get really, really close to the TV screen and look really, really hard, you can see the puppet strings

189 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:18:31pm

re: #162 Dianna

If it weren't so miserably hot, I'd be in bed by now.

I remember the hot summer nights in San Jose.

In bed, with only a sheet for cover and clothing. Sweating like pig in the still night air.

Yep.

Don't miss it a bit.

And we have a Science Fiction Museum here in Seattle.

190 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:19:06pm

re: #161 pat

Dianna got D'd? Sweet, smart Dianna?

It was only because she quoted someone else!

191 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:19:29pm

re: #183 NY Nana

Oy! You are right...and look what he really looks like. Oh, the humanity!

LOL!
Saw that earlier.

:D

192 gman  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:19:49pm

re: #139 SpartanWoman

Sounds like Buchanan is blaming Britain and Churchill for the Holocaust!

I often think that the man is so terrified of a real war with the jihadis that he would sacrifice Israel "peace at any price" or even sacrifice other small states. Buchanan is a truly sick frightened old man who should leave the national stage and take his ugly conspiracies with him.

He actually believes Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa because he was afraid of Britain. His agenda is transparent.

193 Boolz  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:20:06pm

Buchanan, like a LOT of people (both left and right), would sacrifice Israel for cheaper oil prices

194 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:20:29pm

re: #180 LeePro

My icon thingie, I thought it was funny. :)
Maybe I'm the only one! ROFLOL! Oh well.

We're doing great, thanks, hope you and JimPro are good.

195 lazlo  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:21:06pm

William F. Buckley would be dead.

196 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:21:46pm

I can't quite decide if Buchanan wants to help start the final war with the hidden Iman -or- if he wants the Arab states to jump on Israel so the US can go in and claim the whole region...

/can there be a cold war during global warming?

197 winston06  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:22:09pm

The only show on MSM that is worthy of my time is Special Edition with Brit Hume at 6 pm Eastern Time. I don't watch any thing else

198 winston06  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:22:39pm

re: #196 slokat

Buchanan is an anti-semite Fascist

199 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:22:49pm

Hannity and most conservatives have given up. McCain is OK on National Security, but is delusional on economics , the environment, and business. I mean, I have a degree in economics, and my Tax Preparer just told me that with oil and Obama the world will end. Hoard cash, gold, and jewels.

200 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:22:55pm

re: #164 wolfie

One of the things that impresed me the most about Hitler's final weeks is how much he wanted Germany to fight until every building was leveled and no Germans were left standing.......to go out in a kind of Gotterdammerung. He was disappointed the whole country didn't commit suicide.
He loved his idea of Germans, but not the actual people, who in any case needed his prescriptions to be purified and made new. In the end, he would have liked to see them all dead.

He is a fascinating psychological subject.

I think we are actually educated not to think too deeply about the implications of a guy like Hitler. Our schooling just labels him Evil, he was a bad guy, he blew up Europe and killed people in camps, next chapter... I think that's a mistake.

If you study him as a human, as a person with ideas, ambitions, dreams (such as they were) and desires just like the rest of us, you learn to see very dark, troubling patterns in certain kinds of thinking. When you see that he was essentially a true leftist, the culmination of everything born in the French Revolution, mob violence refined and distilled into a terrible, beautifully honed mechanized spearpoint, a Romantic in the worst possible sense, a nihilist and an annihilator, a guy who's chief characteristic was to slash and burn when he didn't get his way, and the apogee of the impulse that gives us Rousseau, Marx, Lenin, Franco, Stalin, etc... That impulse that says "If these fools won't see it my way, I'll set fire to the whole damned thing"... The whole false construct of "Left vs. Right" falls away, and you see the two poles of human vision, Rational vs. Romantic, laid bare.

The TV news will never be the same once you know this. It's quite stunning, and frankly I think being able to decode political ideas in these terms is something that the elites don't want. Elites being, in our society, anybody with influence to use or sell (that would be politicians and the media). Once you learn to smell out the Romantic impulse, the beating heart of every kill-all-the-productive-people, make-everybody-equally-miserable, wallet-frisking, Jew-burning, glass-breaking, accountability-erasing, judgement-blurring crackpot Theory of Everything put forth by our so-called "betters", the bottom line can't be hidden anymore.

And they hate that. They really hate that. Which is why the reality of dictatorship is something that is actively discouraged. Hell, these days they only teach "1984" because it can be spun as anti-Republican...

201 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:23:22pm

re: #189 Syrah

Sigh.

I'd think about being annoyed with you, but that would raise my temperature, and that's the last thing I want.

202 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:23:29pm

re: #199 pat

Ammo, food, water

203 joecitizen  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:23:32pm

re: #195 lazlo

William F. Buckley would be dead.

maybe so..but he might rise if he wasn't weighted down by all that he knew...

204 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:23:43pm

re: #195 lazlo

Unfortunately, yes. We really need him right now. Buchanan has been trying to sneak back into the Republican party since the honorable Buckley passed.

205 winston06  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:23:50pm

re: #202 Tarkus289

Survivalists?! Can I join in?

206 winston06  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:24:38pm

re: #204 Neo Con since 9-11

If that's the case, the 1920s and 1930s GOP will result in decades of Democratic run governments again.

207 Dan G.  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:24:47pm

re: #200 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well said.

208 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:24:48pm

re: #189 Syrah

Reading RAH got me turned on to the authors that he read... I enjoy E.E. Doc Smith & Burroughs, plus have most of their books.

209 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:24:58pm

re: #194 gop_patriot

My icon thingie, I thought it was funny. :)
Maybe I'm the only one! ROFLOL! Oh well.

We're doing great, thanks, hope you and JimPro are good.

Yes, the icon thingie...
I'm tired and thick in the head tonight... don't "get it."

:/

210 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:25:17pm

re: #105 Tarkus289

The key to winning this year will be for our side to personally convince all of the "common sense" democrats that we know that obama is a farce.
Just give them the 5 minute run-down of all of his nonsense, and show them a clip or two including that 52 second anti military screed. While you are at it show them 2 or 3 pictures of the Twin Towers, intact and during and after. Common sense will prevail.

Never underestimate the curtain.

Yes....if that video gets wide play, it's curtains for Obama. If the RNC doesn't play that thing over and over again in September and October, well ,they really are the stupid party.

211 Clemente  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:25:52pm

re: #188 Boolz

If you get really, really close to the TV screen and look really, really hard, you can see the puppet strings

Actually, I can't bring myself to get very close this soon after dinner, and yet I can barely see the puppet for all the strings!

212 RTLM  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:25:56pm

This would be a good question for Sean Hannity.

Sean, why have you not addressed the lying hypocrisy of Bob Beckel, your self described friend and the Pat Buchanan skulduggery?

213 guzziguy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:26:52pm

OT- but interesting.

Hamas TV is broadcasting instructions as how to kidnap IDF soldiers.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Sure, they're serious about the peace process.

/spit.

214 slokat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:27:03pm

re: #198 winston06

Buchanan is an anti-semite Fascist

...given, but what motivates his actions? He appears driven towards a goal, not just reacting against something.

215 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:27:21pm

re: #202 Tarkus289

lots of that at my house. Necessity where i live.Also Coleman stoves, lanterns, gas BBQs, candles, etc. :0

216 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:27:23pm

re: #205 winston06

All (almost) that reside here are welcome. We must repopulate in the aftermath.

217 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:27:26pm

If I was Jesus I'd bring back Buckley from the dead to kick Buchanan's ass.

218 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:27:43pm

re: #191 LeePro

Seriously, I used to watch H & C, but rarely now. Hannity has gotten scary...

219 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:28:04pm

re: #182 funky chicken

The result of the GOP obsession with abortion above all other issues.....

1-The GOP is far less obsessive about that issue than the Democrats. GOP leaders hold widely divergent views on the subject and the party leaders do not smack people out of the party for this. Unlike the Dems, they do not insist on strict conformity to one view. (You may remember than Gov Bob Casey of PA was never allowed to speak at a Dem convention as punishment for being pro-life.)
2- The abortion issue has not been a point of focus for either party this year.
3-Pat Buchanan is not a member of the Republican Party. He left it in 2000 and has not rejoined it.

220 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:28:44pm

re: #213 guzziguy

OT- but interesting.

Hamas TV is broadcasting instructions as how to kidnap IDF soldiers.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Sure, they're serious about the peace process.

/spit.

If they tell me how to kidnap the hot ones, I'll send them a check.

I loves me them M4-totin' hot Jewish gals.

221 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:28:51pm

re: #185 Dianna

Do you really think Sean Hannity is in the bag for Obama? His radio show sure isn't!

I think he likes to giggle along with Ann Coulter when she says disgusting things like "John McCain is exactly the same as Scott McClellan" and other things I heard on his show.

I haven't listened to him since that Ann Coulter appearance. I quit listening to Limbaugh months ago, and Ingraham too.

It's obvious why none of them can sustain a marriage, IMHO. Nagging, carping over every (and even imagined) imperfection of McCain's....just imagine that in a spouse. No gracias.

good night

222 Dan G.  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:29:05pm

Whenever Pat comes on air, pay attention to the sponsors. I'm sure they don't want to be identified with his bigotry.

223 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:29:49pm

wolfie, remember what the Ayatollah said on his flight back to Iran? The citizens were entirely expendable. Only Islam mattered. And Islam has no sense of humor.

224 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:30:14pm

re: #201 Dianna

Of course, the other side of that coin is that while you get essentially nine months of summer, I get nine months, sometimes ten months of winter.

I like the rain. It clears the air, which was the main reason why I moved here. My allergies were making it impossible for me to live in San Jose any longer. I was sick constantly.

Seattle is the land of the long winter. If you like the rain, it can be a very nice place to live. If not, well, this place is not for everybody.

If nothing else, it's good for summer vacations. Give it some thought. Check out the EMP.

225 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #196 slokat


can there be a cold war during global warming?

Now THAT is a most interesting question!

226 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:30:46pm

NYNana. Hi! :)

227 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:31:04pm

re: #221 funky chicken

Good night! Sleep well.

228 Ghost707  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:31:34pm

Only thing really worth watching is Brit Hume.

With Geraldo, Greta van Sustern and Alan Colmes ,Fox is almost a joke.
Although...Megyn Kelly is nice on the eyes.

229 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:31:35pm

re: #218 NY Nana

Seriously, I used to watch H & C, but rarely now. Hannity has gotten scary...

Me, too! ! !
Did you (anybody) see Laura Ingraham's new show? I only saw part of the first one... guests Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson...

"Just In"
5:00pm eastern

230 Dianna  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:31:52pm

re: #224 Syrah

For now, I think I have to stay here. Jobs and property are remarkable anchors.

231 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:31:53pm

re: #222 Dan G.

I wouldn't go that far. ;)

232 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:32:20pm

re: #229 LeePro

I LOVE Laura Ingrahm.

233 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:32:52pm

[Link: www.iht.com...]

U.S. says exercise by Israel seemed directed at Iran


good read

234 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:34:20pm

re: #213 guzziguy

OT- but interesting.

Hamas TV is broadcasting instructions as how to kidnap IDF soldiers.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

Sure, they're serious about the peace process.

/spit.

In line with my previous non-serious post... Really though, wouldn't it be better for everybody if Hamas would produce a video that has instructions on "How to ask an IDF soldier out on a date?"

"How to talk to pretty blonde Jewish girls without getting shot", by Mohammed Humpaslot... The dating manual for lonely guys in the Palestinian Territories! 100 hot tips for asking out those girls your imam doesn't want you to see. Only 2.95! Call now! Don't spend another night alone with your goat...

They could use a bit more love and a bit less death, frankly.

235 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:35:39pm

re: #228 Ghost707

Only thing really worth watching is Brit Hume.

With Geraldo, Greta van Sustern and Alan Colmes ,Fox is almost a joke.
Although...Megyn Kelly is nice on the eyes.

And Neil Cavuto.

236 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:37:05pm

re: #223 pat

wolfie, remember what the Ayatollah said on his flight back to Iran? The citizens were entirely expendable. Only Islam mattered. And Islam has no sense of humor.

Yes indeed. Yes I remember now.
Expendable.


But it's no problem if they get nukes, right?
////

237 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:39:20pm

re: #198 winston06

Here is an image that shows just what he is...you have him nailed. The potential is there, and it is frightening.

I honestly think that his Jew hate transcends that of some of the best-known Jew haters..he has the base to call upon, and too many negatives are happening that could cause a fascist movement to be built up...and I think it is already here.

Hussein will only encourage it clandestinely. He must not win...and I feel that he will do something that reveals the real Hussein, and lose to McCain. And Hussein's wife is a powder keg about to explode.

238 trigger girlie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:39:58pm

In college, I was a member of a GOP club, and the pres was this disgusting guy with poor hygiene habits whos main concern was gay people. Never mind Islam and illegal immigration. That was an embarrassment.

239 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:43:09pm

re: #238 trigger girlie

If you were around me, we would have walked out to the nearest lounge in a moment.

240 Syrah  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:43:24pm

re: #238 trigger girlie

Sounds familiar.

I was involved with the College Republicans in college some hundred years or so ago. Some of the people involved were pretty good, some were an embarrassment to the gene pool.

Such is the nature of such organizations.

241 pat  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:43:58pm

re: #238 trigger girlie

In college, I was a member of a GOP club, and the pres was this disgusting guy with poor hygiene habits whos main concern was gay people. Never mind Islam and illegal immigration. That was an embarrassment.

I was a leftie and would have let you convince me otherwise. lol

242 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:44:20pm

re: #237 NY Nana

Here is an image that shows just what he is...you have him nailed. The potential is there, and it is frightening.

I honestly think that his Jew hate transcends that of some of the best-known Jew haters..he has the base to call upon, and too many negatives are happening that could cause a fascist movement to be built up...and I think it is already here.

Hussein will only encourage it clandestinely. He must not win...and I feel that he will do something that reveals the real Hussein, and lose to McCain. And Hussein's wife is a powder keg about to explode.

Come upstairs ⤴ Nana. Scary new thread!

243 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:45:50pm

re: #209 LeePro

It's not you! Really, there's no deep meaning, not really anything to "get". LOL
I just thought it was kind of funny. It's actually a magnet that you can get here, this site puts old-fashioned photos with snarky comments on different items like purses and notepads- some are pretty funny. :)

A couple of my favorites are a woman sitting on a sofa, with the words "She was one cocktail away from proving his mother right", and a woman holding a big platter of food, with "the secret ingredient is resentment". Sarcastic, I love 'em.

244 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:46:04pm

re: #226 pat

Hi, Pat!

245 trigger girlie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:47:49pm

re: #241 pat

TSK TSK TSK, Pat ;p

246 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:47:50pm

re: #242 LeePro

I will meet you there...since we are both about the same height...

If it is scarier than Pat Buchanan and Hussein...

247 Murqtaad  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:55:03pm

I'm going to have to sound off like a Kossack.... Patricia is a DNC operative. They love his sound bites. He is either a DNC plant, or a complete moron. Why do they give this jackass airtime? Oh yeah, cuz he toes their (leftist) line. What a POS. FUck Pat. My 3/1 would eat him up. I'm sick of this shit. My buddies and I put ourselves on the line every day so assholes like him can spout lies and untruths. God will have his reckoning.

Semper Fi.

248 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:56:46pm

re: #243 gop_patriot

It's not you! Really, there's no deep meaning, not really anything to "get". LOL
I just thought it was kind of funny. It's actually a magnet that you can get here, this site puts old-fashioned photos with snarky comments on different items like purses and notepads- some are pretty funny. :)

A couple of my favorites are a woman sitting on a sofa, with the words "She was one cocktail away from proving his mother right", and a woman holding a big platter of food, with "the secret ingredient is resentment". Sarcastic, I love 'em.

Aha! Then I did "get it."

Just didn't want to appear... you know... snarky.

hee hee

249 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:57:42pm

re: #200 Pawn of the Oppressor

Read "For Your Own Good". Don't remember the author at the moment. It is a psychological dissection of three people in Germany that lived in the 1920's. One was Adolph and another was a serial killer. Don't remember the third. I am away from home at the present time and don't have access to the book. Goes into the culture in which they were raised. Late 1800's and early 1900's had what was known as "Schwartze Pedogogy" (sp). The basic premise was that you beat all sense of individuality out of a child and programed them with the responses you wanted. Used by the Nazi's in schools to weed out the morally weak as they considered them. Good Nazi's were not to be afraid of killing anyone, including relatives.

Lots of background info in books on that era If you can find them. One edition of Mein Kampf was printed in an edited version for the US. Differed from the German edition in the detailed future plans. Also, "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" is a good source of detail.

Read the novels of Erich Maria Remarque for background on that era. Reading any book published in that era can be a mind trip into the twilight zone.

250 wolfie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:57:44pm

re: #200 Pawn of the Oppressor

Great post.

I would have thrown Mao, Pol Pot, or Castro in there instead of Franco though.
Franco was not an ideologue. He was a professional soldier. He used the Falange but as soon as he got power he refused to share any of it with them. He was often brutal and ruthless and he had a huge ego, but he hated progressive dreaming, whether of the "left" or the "right." He was a reactionary whose only transcendent allegiances were to God Church, country, and military honor.
He was no bundle of joy, but he was no scorched earth utopian either.

251 Clemente  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:59:19pm

I like John Kasich, and sometimes Brian Williams. Best they've got, IMHO.

252 U.S.S. Nixon  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 10:59:55pm

Some of you people that say Pat is a leftist have lost there minds. Not wanting to protect Israel over anything else doesn't mean your for the left or a liberal.

253 Mr. Beamish  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:05:56pm

Pat Buchanan is a "conservative" in the same sense that Communist China is a "democratic people's republic." (i.e. because he says so despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.)

254 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:06:21pm

re: #252 U.S.S. Nixon

Some of you people that say Pat is a leftist have lost there minds. Not wanting to protect Israel over anything else doesn't mean your for the left or a liberal.

First...
learn spelling and punctuation.

255 LeePro  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:09:51pm

re: #243 gop_patriot

Signing off now, with special assistance from gop_patriot!

This should be my avatar!   LOL!

256 Mr. Beamish  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:11:51pm

re: #252 U.S.S. Nixon

Some of you people that say Pat is a leftist have lost there minds. Not wanting to protect Israel over anything else doesn't mean your for the left or a liberal.

Well, he's not as leftist as Hitler's Nazi Party, but Moonbat Pat's brand of national socialism doesn't belong in the conservative canon.

257 Murqtaad  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:14:24pm

252,

Other than being illiterate, and a moron, let me fill you in on something. Pat is an anti semite... and also a leftist wolf tryin to pass himself off as a republican. Youre a fucking moron. I live my life hoping to protect america from charlatans like him. You are a fukn wanker. Sod off swampy.

258 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:24:40pm

re: #252 U.S.S. Nixon

But blaming Israel for all the problems in the world, and trying to re-write WWII, so that it's all Churchill's fault, is a tad unbalanced, I think.

259 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:29:37pm

We need Buckley back!

260 markie  Thu, Jun 19, 2008 11:54:28pm

WFB could out-wit anyone, even now, exhumed and propped into his chair.

261 U.S.S. Nixon  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 12:32:19am

re: #257 Murqtaad

252,

Other than being illiterate, and a moron, let me fill you in on something. Pat is an anti semite... and also a leftist wolf tryin to pass himself off as a republican. Youre a fucking moron. I live my life hoping to protect america from charlatans like him. You are a fukn wanker. Sod off swampy.

re: #254 LeePro

First...
learn spelling and punctuation.

Hooray for mindless insults. Neither of you have proven were Pat is a leftist or a wolf trying to pass himself as a Republican. Learn the difference between a Neo-Con which you both obviously are and a true conservative like Pat is. People like you ruined the Party and are the reason were going to have some 1 term Senator be a President.

262 AmeriDan  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 12:54:18am

re: #261 U.S.S. Nixon

Neither of you have proven were Pat is a leftist or a wolf trying to pass himself as a Republican.

I don't believe that Pat needs their help, he's doing a fine job all by himself.

263 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 1:12:31am

re: #255 LeePro

Love it! :) Sorry, Firefox went goofy on me, didn't see your reply. I really love that site. Another good one is "she had no intention of suffering alone" on a picture with a woman looking, um, intense. LOL

Sleep well, LeePro. :)

264 AmeriDan  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 1:16:35am

re: #263 gop_patriot

Hi gop_patriot.

265 bubbasbbq  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 2:04:31am

Geez, what an asshole. Buchanan is NO conservative. He is a Nixonian hack that somehow got elevated to this pundit status through smoke and mirrors. he absolutely hates the entire Bush family and does everything he can to take them down. he was no fan of Reagan and continually distorts Reagan record to advance his perversity. That dungpile does not speak for me or represent my views in any way and I am sick and tired of these idiotic cable shows trying to make him some sort of conservative voice when the reality proves that Buchanan is only out for himself and to hell with everything else.

266 Rockman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 4:13:25am

There is no compelling reason to give Buchanan any airtime that he's not paying for. The same goes for Al Sharpton. Having them as guests on Fox News gives them standing and creates the illusion among many that their ideas must have some merit. The friendly banter between the hosts and these two gasbags is nauseating.

267 yochanan  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 5:18:14am

pat PUKEANAN & david duke SSDD

268 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 5:48:47am

good time to check and see if I can plus up my comment which would trick the lizards into thinking I said something good

269 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 5:49:25am

nope, can't be done, shooooot

270 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 5:53:00am

Buchanan is the Fast Eddie so far to the right, he's left.

271 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 5:57:34am

I agree. What is the point of Pat?

272 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:19:42am

When I heard he was a guest, I changed channels and did not return to Fox. What is wrong with Hannity? Is he trying to sabotage McCain? Many people mistakenly believe that Buchanan is a Republican or a "conservative" - he is not: he is a fascist sympathizer and that is practically a quote from Bill Buckley and William Bennett ("Pat flirts with fascism."). He is not an authority on ANYTHING. He is a vicious anti-Semite and a racist.re: #10 snowcrash

273 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:21:17am

re: #261 U.S.S. Nixon

Pat is not a "true conservative" - he is a Father Coughlin type who wants to go back to the good old days when he could run through the streets and insult Jews on Good Friday.

274 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:25:16am

re: #221 funky chicken
I think Coulter has come around because she finds B. Hussein obama genuinely scary. I suspect Hannity has also, but his fawning over Pukecannon is nauseating and incomprehensible.

275 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:30:07am

As soon as I saw Buchanan on I almost retched. It is disgusting the way Hannity refers to him as "my friend."

276 jill e  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:58:07am

I turned it off and started watching Antiques Roadshow.

277 yesandno  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 6:58:25am

Brit Hume represents the "Fox News Channel"...the rest of it is entertainment and opinion.

I don't believe in conspiracy...but I do believe in "pressure". Gibson made a mistake with his comment about Ledger...and paid for it by being removed from the TV. The had already watered him down with the addition of Heather. I personally think they wanted him to go...too many Islamic negative references.

ED Hill was put on hiatus last month for her comment about the terrorist fist. She was the most outspoken in the Fox and Friends morning show and was axed from that...after the buy in by the Saudi. She may have been out of line, but believe me when I say things have changed at that station...before she could have mispoke and moved on after an appology. Now, she gets removed...and who is politically correct?

And O'Reilly has become a PC individual with his stupid logic about this and that. Looks like he is always trying to balance what is evil to make it appear less so. Just me I am sure.

The addition of Buchanan is weird. He is everywhere...like he is working 24 hourse a day for the channel. Something distasteful going on...an agenda that has nothing to do with conservatives or Republicans...

I trust Brit Hume. The rest fall way far off the scale of believability any more.

Where are the adult programs where issues are discussed with the time needed to discuss them?...instead of 5 minutes on a topic and some idiots screaming their opinion regardless of fact for most of it? And I cannot believe that Skelator actually believes all he apparently defends....if so, he is dumber then a pine post. And Hannity isn't much better...he whines. Just constant throwing out of who said what, gotcha. No real analysis, facts, information.

Love Rush....Love Beck...they think.

278 Sceptic Tank  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:07:00am

re: #275 Joel

Hannity is another stand for nothing, as well as Bob Grant of ABC, genuflecting over this rabid anti-semite. Of all media types only Mike Savage denounced this Hitlerite clearly, at least on the day I heard him. Hit them in the ratings. That's what it is about other than Pat Buchanvald whose hatred is from the heart.

279 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:16:52am

re: #23 NY Nana

Am I glad I wasn't watching Faux News tonight. I have just about given up. If I had been watching? 1 TV would have been destroyed, so help me.

WTF is wrong with what used to be a mostly reasonable source of news?

/Who next? Rosie?

I turned off the minute I heard Hannity refer to Pat Buchenwald as "my friend."

280 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:22:56am

re: #278 Sceptic Tank

Hannity is another stand for nothing, as well as Bob Grant of ABC, genuflecting over this rabid anti-semite. Of all media types only Mike Savage denounced this Hitlerite clearly, at least on the day I heard him. Hit them in the ratings. That's what it is about other than Pat Buchanvald whose hatred is from the heart.

How any conservative can consider Buchanan to be a fellow conservative is beyond me. Buchanan - a rabid isolationist, anti Semite and sympathizer of Nazi Germany should be shunned by all decent people. Nobody on that show is a historian and I would immediately tell Buchanan that Britain did nto go to war to defend Poland's freedom- she went to war to defend her own freedom.

281 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:24:22am

re: #277 yesandno

It is now June 20, just 5 more months to go before O'Reilly starts bloviating about "the war on Christmas".

282 Land Shark  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:30:09am

Joel said:

"How any conservative can consider Buchanan to be a fellow conservative is beyond me. Buchanan - a rabid isolationist, anti Semite and sympathizer of Nazi Germany should be shunned by all decent people. Nobody on that show is a historian and I would immediately tell Buchanan that Britain did nto go to war to defend Poland's freedom- she went to war to defend her own freedom."

Well said, Joel. As a conservative I'm offended every time I hear this douchebag called a conservative. His ignorance of history is stunning. I bet he has a Hitler blow up doll he curls up with every evening. What a blithering idiot!

283 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:32:11am

re: #252 U.S.S. Nixon

Some of you people that say Pat is a leftist have lost there minds. Not wanting to protect Israel over anything else doesn't mean your for the left or a liberal.

We don't want Pat to protect Israel. What Buchanan wants is to throw the Jews of Israel to the wolves. He is a ***** bastard!

284 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:34:19am

re: #282 Land Shark

Thanks. I would love to see Charles Krauthammer or Victor Davis Hanson debate Buchanan and his paleocon Hitler Youth alumni friends at his wrongly name drag "The American Conservative."

285 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:34:19am

re: #282 Land Shark

Well said, Joel. As a conservative I'm offended every time I hear this douchebag called a conservative.

That is the problem with labels- you end up being compared to everyone who has or is given the same label. Buchanan is a hateful bastard(so we will only compare him to others given that label now)

286 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:34:53am

PIMF - "wrongly named rag"

287 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:36:38am

re: #285 madisonsfriend

Well said, Joel. As a conservative I'm offended every time I hear this douchebag called a conservative.

That is the problem with labels- you end up being compared to everyone who has or is given the same label. Buchanan is a hateful bastard(so we will only compare him to others given that label now)

If you ever read Buchanan's magazine (it is as painful a read as watching Keith Olbermann's spew fest "Countdown" - outside of his opposition to all non white immigrants, you would think you are reading Katrina vanden Heuvel's Marxist magazine "The Nation."

288 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:42:03am

re: #50 slokat

Buchanan reminds me of George McGovern

Taat old Marxist buzzard is still alive. The man who ruined the Democratic Party.

289 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:48:40am

re: #93 SpartanWoman

I sent that stupid Hannity a scathing email. The man, and several other talk show turds seem to be pushing for an Obama victory and dreaming of the big conservative landslide of 2012. He's such a fool

Correctamundo. There will be no 1994 for the GOP. Even if McCain wins, he is such a wishy-washy Republican the GOP will descend into minority status b/c that doddering old fool would rather laugh with the Democrats while sticking his thumb in conservatives eyes. Thank you very much GOP primary voters - the stupidest people in America. I can't wait for them to nominate Jeb Bush in 2012. /sarcasm

290 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:50:53am

re: #228 Ghost707

Only thing really worth watching is Brit Hume.

With Geraldo, Greta van Sustern and Alan Colmes ,Fox is almost a joke.
Although...Megyn Kelly is nice on the eyes.

Let's not forget Kirsten Powers and smoking hot Julie Banderas.

Alan Colmes is a real nancy boy.

291 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:52:40am

re: #98 wolfie

Buckley also got rid of Joseph Sobran. Sobran was so anti Semitic (he still is) that he makes Pat Buchanan seem like David Ben-Gurion.

292 Sceptic Tank  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:57:10am

re: #289 Joel

Correctamundo.
There will be no 1994 for the GOP. Even if McCain wins, he is such a
wishy-washy Republican the GOP will descend into minority status b/c
that doddering old fool would rather laugh with the Democrats while
sticking his thumb in conservatives eyes. Thank you very much GOP
primary voters - the stupidest people in America. I can't wait for them
to nominate Jeb Bush in 2012. /sarcasm

You are on a roll this morning. Conservative: the map is not the territory.

293 Joel  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:08:51am

re: #292 Sceptic Tank

The GOP Establishment (think Bush Sr, the execrable Trent Lott, Bill Frist et al) prefers an orderly line of succession to the nomination. That is how we got Bob Dole (although his take down of Scott McClellan was priceless), G W Bush, John McCain, etc., the Establishment will try to foist Jeb on us in 2012 pointing out how popular a governor he was in Florida and how he could bring all the millions of newly created Hispanic citizens into the GOP, yeah right! They think that because of the Obama disaster of a Presidency the country will have seen the light and will go back to what was in the past - the Presidency which gave us Alberto Gonzales, Karen Hughes, Scott McClellan, Condi Clueless Rice, Harriet Miers, Colin Powell, Michael Brown.

294 Opinionated  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:51:22am

The Buchanan Hitler/Nazis were not so bad theme continues.

Was the Holocaust Inevitable?

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

Some people want to make right with God before they die, seems Buchanon wants to get it on the record that he did all he could to excuse Hitler.

295 Lee Coller  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:07:18am

re: #196 slokat

I can't quite decide if Buchanan wants to help start the final war with the hidden Iman -or- if he wants the Arab states to jump on Israel so the US can go in and claim the whole region...

/can there be a cold war during global warming?

I dinged you but that was probably a little harsh. Buchanan may be a lot of things, but he's not an imperialist. He's merely an old-style antisemite.

296 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:11:49am

Several years ago I received an email from a columnist who will remain nameless to the effect that "every time Pat opens his mouth I am embarrassed as a Catholic." re: #284 Joel

297 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:13:45am

re: #282 Land Shark
And yet he is trotted out on talk shows as the token "conservative" or Republican. HE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN! The other douchbag is Taki, the doddering old anti-Semite and fellow editor of the stinking magazine that Buchanan is with.

298 Alibaba  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:39:29am

re: #294 Opinionated
Buchanan is a revisionist right up there with David Duke.

299 Kobyashi Maru  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:45:59am

OMG, they keep this creep in suspended animation in a temperature controlled crypt, and wheel him from his base @ MSNBC to wherever he is to appear next; apply sunlight proof makeup and awaken him for his comments.

If he is reviled on the left and reviled on the right, and he sure as heck doesn't speak for main Street, then exactly what constituency are they seeking by allowing him on air? How many Nazi-symp, anti-Jew, pro Pat people are there in both Fox Noise Channel and MostSuckyNewsBureauChannel? Must be a bigger demographic than we know!


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