Did the "Discovery" Institute discover this fossil?

Doubtful.

These are LDS dinosaurs.

a major new cache of very well-preserved dinosaur bones dating back to 4,400 years ago.

Why, that was way back near the beginning of time! Before the Flood, even!

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

The fossilized dinosaurs are from the same late Jurassic period as those at Dinosaur National Monument

Oh no!

Jeff Goldblum and Sam Neill were seen running at top speed away from the quarry.

John McCain knew that dinosaur when it was young.

re: #4 George guy

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

So it's a big hoax, is that what you're saying?

Aww....I thought that said 'Fossil Fuels'....

How old does a dearly departed dino have to be before he can become 89 Octane, anyway?

re: #8 Fenway_Nation

Aww....I thought that said 'Fossil Fuels'....

How old does a dearly departed dino have to be before he can become 89 Octane, anyway?

Every gallon of gas you put in your car is full of 'em.

said Scott Foss, a BLM paleontologist.

If he was descended from Mussolini, he'd be called Scott Foss-il Duce III.

Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D Trailer

(July 11th)

re: #9 Charles

Every gallon of gas you put in your car is full of 'em.

Actually, isn't oil mostly from prehistoric plants, not animals?

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

re: #13 Charles

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Are you surprised, Charles?

OT: Any news on Mobile LGF?

re: #14 Kirly

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

God planted those fossils to mess with your mind, confuse you. The earth will be 7,503 years old next Thursday.

re: #12 zombie

Actually, isn't oil mostly from prehistoric plants, not animals?

Plants, algae, small amphibious animals....that's what I always thought.

Ow! Ow! That smarts!

re: #13 Charles

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

Fossil Fuel- something to consider next time you fill up

It is generally accepted that they formed from the fossilized remains of dead plants and animals[1] by exposure to heat and pressure in the Earth's crust over hundreds of millions of years

re: #20 zombie

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

well,some of us have...

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old.

LOL I've always thought your writing style incorporated excellent humor, Charles, but these recent reason vs. unreason ones are cracking me up. haha good work.

By the way I've added a link to a video of Dumpster Muffin in my report now. Thanks to Ringo for finding it.

re: #18 DesertSage

Plants, algae, small amphibious animals....that's what I always thought.

Abiogenic Petroleum
What accounts for the clouds of methane in space? Certainly not decomposed dinosaurs.

That girl will go down in moonbat history just for her name alone.

re: #20 zombie

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

ahh tge giants in genesis

re: #24 zombie

By the way I've added a link to a video of Dumpster Muffin in my report now. Thanks to Ringo for finding it.

damn,it's far too late for dumpster muffins here,I just had a coupla pop tarts...

This story will probably be lost in the buildup to the Olympics, any or all renewed crackdowns in Tibet, shoddy schoolhouses built by party hacks on faultlines collapsing on grade-school kids or Beijing's cozy ties with the genocidal regime in Khartoum, but China just 'fessed up to taking and burying an American POW.

/RIP, SGT Desautels

I knew that dinosaur, and you are no dinosaur.

You can thank the great Georges Cuvier for realizing the true meaning of fossils. An unsung hero in the evolution story. He pre-dated Darwin by many decades.

re: #16 Charles

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

yes, i know. I was just letting you know why i dinged this one down. i really was just about to hit the plus when i saw that nonfunny remark.

i won't stick around looking for an answer since it's none of my business, but i'd really like to believe that you will at least consider the possiblity that you're wrong. What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

Contrary to an ongoing argument with another lizard, this post makes it 100% clear that this isn't all about ID for you. Well, you can't prove your theories anymore than i can prove the Biblical account of creation.

I didn't take too kindly to being compared to the taliban the other day either.

re: #25 HelloDare

I've heard about the abiogenic theory, but I've dove into reading about it yet (too busy with other things). It is an interesting idea...

re: #9 Charles

I know that much....I was wondering what the threshold was from when they are a bunch of dino bones in the ground waiting to be unearthed and displayed in various museums to when they become black oil, Texas Tea, bubblin crude, etc...

Or does it more vary with the geography involved..?

re: #32 Kirly

yes, i know. I was just letting you know why i dinged this one down. i really was just about to hit the plus when i saw that nonfunny remark.

i won't stick around looking for an answer since it's none of my business, but i'd really like to believe that you will at least consider the possiblity that you're wrong. What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

Contrary to an ongoing argument with another lizard, this post makes it 100% clear that this isn't all about ID for you. Well, you can't prove your theories anymore than i can prove the Biblical account of creation.

I didn't take too kindly to being compared to the taliban the other day either.

Dinosaurs mean I don't believe in God?

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

I will not watch any part of the olympics this time around, the thought disgusts me to my core.

re: #12 zombie

From what I understand, terrestrial plants become coal. Aquatic plants and bacteria become oil

You mean, I have to choose between dinosaurs or God?

God planted those fossils to mess with your mind, confuse you. The earth will be 7,503 years old next Thursday.

Damn, I better get a present...

I may be drelerious, it is late, but wasn't there a TX Creationist museum that sold a mastodon bone. In order to get the highest bid its AGE had to be verified? it was 40,000 yrs old but supposedly nothing is older than 10,000 years on Earth. Hmmm. the older the bone, the higher the bids at auction, Hmmm.

re: #39 JustAVoter

Damn, I better get a present...

so stop living in the past..

re: #16 Charles

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

Silly you - you only thought that because it was...

:)

re: #36 Dan G.

I will not watch any part of the olympics this time around, the thought disgusts me to my core.

Bravo!
Mr. Wolf and I will skip the opening and closing ceremonies.
We'll probably watch a lot of the sports......sports is all we ever watch on TV usually anyway.
But I feel a little queasy about it.

A lot of oil comes from the Jurassic period. While it is OK to get these bones through what undoubtedly will be OPEN PIT MINING, drilling is not ok... Right? I'm sure it's OK as long as they aren't digging those bones in a Wildlife Reserve...

/No Blood for DinoBones!

If the previous 200 years of geology and archeology doesn't convince people that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, some more bones planted by Satan in the Midwest won't either.

The tired debate over science vs. religion aside, this find is an exiting one. The main challenge that Paleontology has is the very small amount of empirical evidence. Every new bone has the chance to change they way we think about the world at that time.

re: #42 Optimizer

Silly you - you only thought that because it was...

:)

/Do not taunt happy fun ball.

re: #38 Charles

You mean, I have to choose between dinosaurs or God?

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

re: #33 Dan G.

I've heard about the abiogenic theory, but I've dove into reading about it yet (too busy with other things). It is an interesting idea...

Freeman Dyson wrote the intro to Thomas Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. He buys the idea. There's a good 24-page explanation in Nine Crazy Ideas In Science, by Robert Ehrlick a professor of Physics at George Mason. He uses a cuckoo scale to rate the ideas. He gives Abiogenic oil zero cuckoos.

re: #13 Charles
We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

Ground Control to Major Tom
Ground Control to Major Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

Ground Control to Major Tom
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God’s love be with you

Spoken:
Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Lift-off

Drifting off to dreamland . . .

Goodnight.

re: #49 NTropy

We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

don't let the knowledge hit you in the ass on the way out..

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

That's probably the root cause of my delusional belief that dinosaurs existed; I loved Godzilla as a child. That must have really screwed up my thinking.

re: #43 wolfie

What's next? Saudi Arabia where the women competitors have to wear burkas? Piss-poor judgement by the committee.

I believe in God.

I believe in the Bible.

I do not believe in any gross misinterpretations of the Bible that honestly purport that 1,000 years is exactly equal to one day to God. It's not only bad science, it's bad Biblical interpretation - the number 1,000 is hardly intended to be literal, it's purely figurative.

re: #48 HelloDare

Wasn't Gold found to be a plagerist?

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

Is it too late to mention his only son, Raptor Jesus?

I kid, I kid.

If there is a God, its certainly well within his power to trick all of us into believing the universe is really, really old. Not that I believe it isn't.

re: #48 HelloDare

Freeman Dyson wrote the intro to Thomas Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. He buys the idea. There's a good 24-page explanation in Nine Crazy Ideas In Science, by Robert Ehrlick a professor of Physics at George Mason. He uses a cuckoo scale to rate the ideas. He gives Abiogenic oil zero cuckoos.

I used to be "into" Thomas Gold, but some science-y friends of mine thought his idea was ridiculous, so I shut up, not being an expert on the Earth's crust.

I still think it's a pretty cool speculation, though.

A lot of people call me a dinosaur.
I disapprove of digital clocks, for one thing.
(No need to discuss that horrible, fancy invention called the telephone.)

But I do not identify with dinosaurs.
I prefer cows.

re: #55 Dan G.

Wasn't Gold found to be a plagerist?

Haven't heard that.

Hello Dare,

In re: the cuckoo scale, I would definitely say that from what I do know about the idea it is certainly PLAUSIBLE.

re: #49 NTropy

We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

Who said anything about the Discovery Institute in this thread?

You're quite right, though - I have absolutely zero respect for the Discovery Institute.

re: #53 Dan G.

What's next? Saudi Arabia where the women competitors have to wear burkas? Piss-poor judgement by the committee.

I'm cracking up picturing the gymnasts!

re: #49 NTropy

P.S. Thought you had thicker skin than that.

re: #59 HelloDare

Haven't heard that.

Not really a plagiarized -- he just didn't cite the Soviet papers he relied on for his first publication on the topic.

They're using this detail to smear his idea.

re: #51 joecitizen
Nice to see you too, Joe. When you contribute something of meaning other than a pile-on like that let me know. I'm sure there's something in your 1000+ comments that indicates an IQ about room temperature.

The comment wasn't directed at you in case you didn't notice.

re: #61 Charles
And that's been apparent. Ok - I (we?) get it.

The greatest archaeological hoax: Piltdown Man.

re: #59 HelloDare

I'll look it up again... but my initial peep into the literature produced a finding that he didn't cite the Russian's who actually first forwarded the idea and that his work mirrored it a bit too closely. But as stated before, I haven't read enough to pass my own judgment it (the plagerism accusation or the idea).

re: #32 Kirly

... What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him? ...

Seems to me that in that event, one would be justified in asking Him, "What was that dinosaur bones stuff all about? Why did you mislead me?" Or would it be too much to expect, for Him to be a grown-up?

re: #32 Kirly

What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

"Hey, trust me. Those guys were nuts. You wouldn't have believed them either."

re: #61 Charles

Who said anything about the Discovery Institute in this thread?

Actually I did, in the first comment.

But that was me -- not you.

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

re: #71 zombie

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

The Discovery Channel?

Atheism, atheism, atheism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{irreducible complexity}}

Darwinism, Darwinism, Darwinism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{just a "theory"}}

Secularism, secularism, secularism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{does it add to the genome}}

Humanism, humanism, humanism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{big bang baloney}}

Nazism, nazism, nazism, blah, blah, blah....
_{^{evolution=eugenics}}

Evolutionists, evolutionists, evolutionists, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{belief in science requires a "leap of faith"}}

/did I miss one?

re: #71 zombie

Actually I did, in the first comment.

But that was me -- not you.

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

Missed that one. OK, someone did bash the Discovery Institute. You're just mean.

Maybe it's just the depression of the election season getting to me. It just seems like every now and again all posts lead to a steaming pile though that's not your fault. I tend to look at these like threads where the abortion issue comes up. Nothing good comes from these posts and there tend to be a whole lot of bad feelings.

Where is goddess when we need her?
Oh, all right. It's a dirty job, but......................

PLAGIARISM
PLAGIARIZE

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, a Cliff's Notes version of the thread. Very handy! Now I don't have to read the whole thing.

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

Just checking - can I laugh at this one? 'Cause this was a "LOL", too.

re: #65 NTropy

Nice to see you too, Joe. When you contribute something of meaning other than a pile-on like that let me know. I'm sure there's something in your 1000+ comments that indicates an IQ about room temperature.

The comment wasn't directed at you in case you didn't notice.

there are no private conversations on LGF..certainly you've been here long enough to know that AND how to be gracious toward the host..I stand by dinging down idiotic comments at any time and with malice aforethought..and I wouldn't go slinging IQ bullshit at anyone during this debate you young earth creationist you! heh...

re: #71 zombie

They discovered that being honest evangelicals fails to get their ideas into public schools (in re: school prayer).

They also discovered that they too can cater to the weak willed/ignorant by using leftist-styled propaganda to sell videos (Loose Change = anything by Mike Moore = Expelled)

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

I know! It's Manbearpig! I'm totally cereal!

re: #64 zombie

I don't know about that. In the book I read, he mentioned a Russian scientist a number of times. No longer have the book so I can't check the footnotes or references.

re: #81 NTropy

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

That is correct.
And his #1 wife was Mozzarella.

re: #81 NTropy

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

Best pun of the day!

I forget, did dinosaurs go extinct or turn into birds?

/evolutionist confusion ray

re: #83 HelloDare

Zomibe's probably right... just leftist hyperbole to smear the guy.

re: #86 Mr. Beamish

Why the false dichotomy?

re: #79 joecitizen
As far as I can tell, I have been gracious to our host. He is more than capable of defending himself (or disposing of me) if he feels it's necessary. And I have been here long enough (and avoided these threads enough) that a comment about being tired of them shouldn't raise hackles. Oh, and I don't happen to be among the young earth creationists either. But carry on - assume away.

re: #67 Charles

The greatest archaeological hoax: Piltdown Man.

Wasn't this considered the quintessential scientific hoax? A designation soon to be supplanted by Gore & Co, I'm sure...

re: #83 HelloDare

I don't know about that. In the book I read, he mentioned a Russian scientist a number of times. No longer have the book so I can't check the footnotes or references.

Supposedly he only referred to them AFTER he was called on it -- in his very first paper, he made no citations to Soviet scientists who had the same idea. He corrected that "oversight" in the book. Though it's certainly plausible that he wasn't aware of the Soviet theories before, since Russian stuff from the Cold War wasn't widely published here.

re: #89 NTropy

As far as I can tell, I have been gracious to our host. He is more than capable of defending himself (or disposing of me) if he feels it's necessary. And I have been here long enough (and avoided these threads enough) that a comment about being tired of them shouldn't raise hackles. Oh, and I don't happen to be among the young earth creationists either. But carry on - assume away.

the rating system is there for a reason and to be used...as for the rest,it is what it is.

re: #86 Mr. Beamish

I forget, did dinosaurs go extinct or turn into birds?

Both.

Most went extinct. A couple types survived and evolved into birds.

re: #88 Dan G.

Because asking if a meteor collision is responsible for turning dinos into birds was too subtle.

re: #91 zombie

Actually, I think that it was more accessible than one would assume. The anti-radar shape of the F-117 was based on a soviet mathematician's
paper.

re: #94 Mr. Beamish

But that happened more that 6,000 years ago... oops.

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old.

Charles, you appear to be going off the deep end by obsessively demeaning some of those who would otherwise have a great deal of respect for you. I'm surprised and disappointed to see this from you. Is this the real you or are you having some kind of personal difficulty?

Kudos for everything else, but this is becoming boorish.

re: #93 zombie

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

We may know a lot less about the origins of oil than we thought. The transition from peat to oil appears to be wrong. Coal may have biologic antecedents, but the quantity is proving scientifically suspect. It may be there is a non biologic origin. Like a recombintion of methane.
/hell, I don't know.

You know, I hate to admit this, but I can halfway understand why some people can't get their brains around evolution. Some of it's confusing and complicated even for people who believe in it (like myself).

But believing the Earth is 6000 years old? Uh, no, sorry. That's silly. Most adults should have enough common sense to see through that one.

If you can look at the Grand Canyon and think that a gigantic flood caused that, I have oceanfront property in Missouri to sell you.

re: #95 Dan G.

Actually, I think that it was more accessible than one would assume. The anti-radar shape of the F-117 was based on a soviet mathematician's
paper.

no it was from documents captured from germany during ww2 that were discovered in the 70's in an archive

re: #54 JustAVoter

I believe in God.

I believe in the Bible.

I do not believe in any gross misinterpretations of the Bible that honestly purport that 1,000 years is exactly equal to one day to God. It's not only bad science, it's bad Biblical interpretation - the number 1,000 is hardly intended to be literal, it's purely figurative.

Well, heck. First I hear Obama doesn't really mean exactly what he says today (big shocker, right?), and now you're saying the other diety doesn't either! A very disappointing day, all around...

/OK. I'll stop now.

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

And I bet they tasted just like chicken, too ...

re: #96 Dan G.

Crazy isn't it? Back then, rotting meat could turn into maggosts unless you put it into a bell jar.

re: #4 George guy

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

Probably not. At the risk of being proven wrong, I believe the practical upper limit for C14 age dating is around 50,000 years.

Potassium-argon age dating might be more appropriate here, but the age of rock formations is quite easily cross-checked nowadays.

re: #77 zombie

Thank you, but I'm sure it's not comprehensive. I am certain I missed one or two debunkable* talking points.

*issat a word?

re: #104 Mr. Beamish

er.. maggots

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

I bet it tasted like chicken.

re: #100 white rabbit

You know, I hate to admit this, but I can halfway understand why some people can't get their brains around evolution. Some of it's confusing and complicated even for people who believe in it (like myself).

But believing the Earth is 6000 years old? Uh, no, sorry. That's silly. Most adults should have enough common sense to see through that one.

If you can look at the Grand Canyon and think that a gigantic flood caused that, I have oceanfront property in Missouri to sell you.

wouldnt that be riverfront

/sarc

re: #101 JimmyTheClaw

Oh.. my bad.

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

"Also note that molecular data shows that crocodiles are birds' closest living relatives.]"
[Link: www.talkorigins.org...]

re: #14 Kirly

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

Au contraire. I thought it was quite chuckle-worthy. :)

You guys have got the storyline wrong Bush went back in time and hunted down almost all of the dinos and buried them where he would drill oil wells. (and in places he wanted to invade)

The ones he missed had quickly decided to evolve into birds because they're hard to shoot with a dinosaur gun.

/

re: #57 zombie

Here is a short explanation of abiogenic oil as I understand it.

Scientist believe that oil comes from decayed living matter because it contains certain material, I think it's an isotope of carbon, that only exist in living matter. Gold says that the isotope is there because oil percolates up through a Deep Hot Biosphere (the title of his book). Deep petroleum deposits lack these biological traces. Also, petroleum has the type of isomers, right- or left-handed, I forget, that are found in synthetic oil instead of the other type of isomers that exist in biologically produced oil. There are a bunch of other reasons but I can't remember.

re: #103 RedPepper

And I bet they tasted just like chicken, too ...

Boy am I slow!

GMTA :)

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

Imagine the drumstick.

re: #30 pat

I knew that dinosaur, and you are no dinosaur.

That isn't the dinosaur Obama knew.