Did the "Discovery" Institute discover this fossil?

Doubtful.

These are LDS dinosaurs.

a major new cache of very well-preserved dinosaur bones dating back to 4,400 years ago.

Why, that was way back near the beginning of time! Before the Flood, even!

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

The fossilized dinosaurs are from the same late Jurassic period as those at Dinosaur National Monument

Oh no!

Jeff Goldblum and Sam Neill were seen running at top speed away from the quarry.

John McCain knew that dinosaur when it was young.

re: #4 George guy

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

So it's a big hoax, is that what you're saying?

Aww....I thought that said 'Fossil Fuels'....

How old does a dearly departed dino have to be before he can become 89 Octane, anyway?

re: #8 Fenway_Nation

Aww....I thought that said 'Fossil Fuels'....

How old does a dearly departed dino have to be before he can become 89 Octane, anyway?

Every gallon of gas you put in your car is full of 'em.

said Scott Foss, a BLM paleontologist.

If he was descended from Mussolini, he'd be called Scott Foss-il Duce III.

Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D Trailer

(July 11th)

re: #9 Charles

Every gallon of gas you put in your car is full of 'em.

Actually, isn't oil mostly from prehistoric plants, not animals?

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

re: #13 Charles

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Are you surprised, Charles?

OT: Any news on Mobile LGF?

re: #14 Kirly

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

God planted those fossils to mess with your mind, confuse you. The earth will be 7,503 years old next Thursday.

re: #12 zombie

Actually, isn't oil mostly from prehistoric plants, not animals?

Plants, algae, small amphibious animals....that's what I always thought.

Ow! Ow! That smarts!

re: #13 Charles

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

Fossil Fuel- something to consider next time you fill up

It is generally accepted that they formed from the fossilized remains of dead plants and animals[1] by exposure to heat and pressure in the Earth's crust over hundreds of millions of years

re: #20 zombie

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

well,some of us have...

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old.

LOL I've always thought your writing style incorporated excellent humor, Charles, but these recent reason vs. unreason ones are cracking me up. haha good work.

By the way I've added a link to a video of Dumpster Muffin in my report now. Thanks to Ringo for finding it.

re: #18 DesertSage

Plants, algae, small amphibious animals....that's what I always thought.

Abiogenic Petroleum
What accounts for the clouds of methane in space? Certainly not decomposed dinosaurs.

That girl will go down in moonbat history just for her name alone.

re: #20 zombie

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

ahh tge giants in genesis

re: #24 zombie

By the way I've added a link to a video of Dumpster Muffin in my report now. Thanks to Ringo for finding it.

damn,it's far too late for dumpster muffins here,I just had a coupla pop tarts...

This story will probably be lost in the buildup to the Olympics, any or all renewed crackdowns in Tibet, shoddy schoolhouses built by party hacks on faultlines collapsing on grade-school kids or Beijing's cozy ties with the genocidal regime in Khartoum, but China just 'fessed up to taking and burying an American POW.

/RIP, SGT Desautels

I knew that dinosaur, and you are no dinosaur.

You can thank the great Georges Cuvier for realizing the true meaning of fossils. An unsung hero in the evolution story. He pre-dated Darwin by many decades.

re: #16 Charles

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

yes, i know. I was just letting you know why i dinged this one down. i really was just about to hit the plus when i saw that nonfunny remark.

i won't stick around looking for an answer since it's none of my business, but i'd really like to believe that you will at least consider the possiblity that you're wrong. What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

Contrary to an ongoing argument with another lizard, this post makes it 100% clear that this isn't all about ID for you. Well, you can't prove your theories anymore than i can prove the Biblical account of creation.

I didn't take too kindly to being compared to the taliban the other day either.

re: #25 HelloDare

I've heard about the abiogenic theory, but I've dove into reading about it yet (too busy with other things). It is an interesting idea...

re: #9 Charles

I know that much....I was wondering what the threshold was from when they are a bunch of dino bones in the ground waiting to be unearthed and displayed in various museums to when they become black oil, Texas Tea, bubblin crude, etc...

Or does it more vary with the geography involved..?

re: #32 Kirly

yes, i know. I was just letting you know why i dinged this one down. i really was just about to hit the plus when i saw that nonfunny remark.

i won't stick around looking for an answer since it's none of my business, but i'd really like to believe that you will at least consider the possiblity that you're wrong. What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

Contrary to an ongoing argument with another lizard, this post makes it 100% clear that this isn't all about ID for you. Well, you can't prove your theories anymore than i can prove the Biblical account of creation.

I didn't take too kindly to being compared to the taliban the other day either.

Dinosaurs mean I don't believe in God?

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

I will not watch any part of the olympics this time around, the thought disgusts me to my core.

re: #12 zombie

From what I understand, terrestrial plants become coal. Aquatic plants and bacteria become oil

You mean, I have to choose between dinosaurs or God?

God planted those fossils to mess with your mind, confuse you. The earth will be 7,503 years old next Thursday.

Damn, I better get a present...

I may be drelerious, it is late, but wasn't there a TX Creationist museum that sold a mastodon bone. In order to get the highest bid its AGE had to be verified? it was 40,000 yrs old but supposedly nothing is older than 10,000 years on Earth. Hmmm. the older the bone, the higher the bids at auction, Hmmm.

re: #39 JustAVoter

Damn, I better get a present...

so stop living in the past..

re: #16 Charles

Oh well. I thought it was pretty funny myself.

Silly you - you only thought that because it was...

:)

re: #36 Dan G.

I will not watch any part of the olympics this time around, the thought disgusts me to my core.

Bravo!
Mr. Wolf and I will skip the opening and closing ceremonies.
We'll probably watch a lot of the sports......sports is all we ever watch on TV usually anyway.
But I feel a little queasy about it.

A lot of oil comes from the Jurassic period. While it is OK to get these bones through what undoubtedly will be OPEN PIT MINING, drilling is not ok... Right? I'm sure it's OK as long as they aren't digging those bones in a Wildlife Reserve...

/No Blood for DinoBones!

If the previous 200 years of geology and archeology doesn't convince people that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, some more bones planted by Satan in the Midwest won't either.

The tired debate over science vs. religion aside, this find is an exiting one. The main challenge that Paleontology has is the very small amount of empirical evidence. Every new bone has the chance to change they way we think about the world at that time.

re: #42 Optimizer

Silly you - you only thought that because it was...

:)

/Do not taunt happy fun ball.

re: #38 Charles

You mean, I have to choose between dinosaurs or God?

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

re: #33 Dan G.

I've heard about the abiogenic theory, but I've dove into reading about it yet (too busy with other things). It is an interesting idea...

Freeman Dyson wrote the intro to Thomas Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. He buys the idea. There's a good 24-page explanation in Nine Crazy Ideas In Science, by Robert Ehrlick a professor of Physics at George Mason. He uses a cuckoo scale to rate the ideas. He gives Abiogenic oil zero cuckoos.

re: #13 Charles
We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

Ground Control to Major Tom
Ground Control to Major Tom
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

Ground Control to Major Tom
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God’s love be with you

Spoken:
Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Lift-off

Drifting off to dreamland . . .

Goodnight.

re: #49 NTropy

We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

don't let the knowledge hit you in the ass on the way out..

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

That's probably the root cause of my delusional belief that dinosaurs existed; I loved Godzilla as a child. That must have really screwed up my thinking.

re: #43 wolfie

What's next? Saudi Arabia where the women competitors have to wear burkas? Piss-poor judgement by the committee.

I believe in God.

I believe in the Bible.

I do not believe in any gross misinterpretations of the Bible that honestly purport that 1,000 years is exactly equal to one day to God. It's not only bad science, it's bad Biblical interpretation - the number 1,000 is hardly intended to be literal, it's purely figurative.

re: #48 HelloDare

Wasn't Gold found to be a plagerist?

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

Is it too late to mention his only son, Raptor Jesus?

I kid, I kid.

If there is a God, its certainly well within his power to trick all of us into believing the universe is really, really old. Not that I believe it isn't.

re: #48 HelloDare

Freeman Dyson wrote the intro to Thomas Gold's book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. He buys the idea. There's a good 24-page explanation in Nine Crazy Ideas In Science, by Robert Ehrlick a professor of Physics at George Mason. He uses a cuckoo scale to rate the ideas. He gives Abiogenic oil zero cuckoos.

I used to be "into" Thomas Gold, but some science-y friends of mine thought his idea was ridiculous, so I shut up, not being an expert on the Earth's crust.

I still think it's a pretty cool speculation, though.

A lot of people call me a dinosaur.
I disapprove of digital clocks, for one thing.
(No need to discuss that horrible, fancy invention called the telephone.)

But I do not identify with dinosaurs.
I prefer cows.

re: #55 Dan G.

Wasn't Gold found to be a plagerist?

Haven't heard that.

Hello Dare,

In re: the cuckoo scale, I would definitely say that from what I do know about the idea it is certainly PLAUSIBLE.

re: #49 NTropy

We creationists are the ones posting a continual stream of evolutionary links with snide comments about the Discovery Institute Charles. Just who is threatened?

Your site, your rules. It's becoming easier and easier every day to avoid LGF however.

Who said anything about the Discovery Institute in this thread?

You're quite right, though - I have absolutely zero respect for the Discovery Institute.

re: #53 Dan G.

What's next? Saudi Arabia where the women competitors have to wear burkas? Piss-poor judgement by the committee.

I'm cracking up picturing the gymnasts!

re: #49 NTropy

P.S. Thought you had thicker skin than that.

re: #59 HelloDare

Haven't heard that.

Not really a plagiarized -- he just didn't cite the Soviet papers he relied on for his first publication on the topic.

They're using this detail to smear his idea.

re: #51 joecitizen
Nice to see you too, Joe. When you contribute something of meaning other than a pile-on like that let me know. I'm sure there's something in your 1000+ comments that indicates an IQ about room temperature.

The comment wasn't directed at you in case you didn't notice.

re: #61 Charles
And that's been apparent. Ok - I (we?) get it.

The greatest archaeological hoax: Piltdown Man.

re: #59 HelloDare

I'll look it up again... but my initial peep into the literature produced a finding that he didn't cite the Russian's who actually first forwarded the idea and that his work mirrored it a bit too closely. But as stated before, I haven't read enough to pass my own judgment it (the plagerism accusation or the idea).

re: #32 Kirly

... What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him? ...

Seems to me that in that event, one would be justified in asking Him, "What was that dinosaur bones stuff all about? Why did you mislead me?" Or would it be too much to expect, for Him to be a grown-up?

re: #32 Kirly

What if there IS a God? And what if He did create the world in 6 literal days? What will you say to Him?

"Hey, trust me. Those guys were nuts. You wouldn't have believed them either."

re: #61 Charles

Who said anything about the Discovery Institute in this thread?

Actually I did, in the first comment.

But that was me -- not you.

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

re: #71 zombie

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

The Discovery Channel?

Atheism, atheism, atheism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{irreducible complexity}}

Darwinism, Darwinism, Darwinism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{just a "theory"}}

Secularism, secularism, secularism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{does it add to the genome}}

Humanism, humanism, humanism, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{big bang baloney}}

Nazism, nazism, nazism, blah, blah, blah....
_{^{evolution=eugenics}}

Evolutionists, evolutionists, evolutionists, blah, blah, blah...
_{^{belief in science requires a "leap of faith"}}

/did I miss one?

re: #71 zombie

Actually I did, in the first comment.

But that was me -- not you.

By the way: Exactly what has the Discovery Institute ever discovered? I must have missed that part.

Missed that one. OK, someone did bash the Discovery Institute. You're just mean.

Maybe it's just the depression of the election season getting to me. It just seems like every now and again all posts lead to a steaming pile though that's not your fault. I tend to look at these like threads where the abortion issue comes up. Nothing good comes from these posts and there tend to be a whole lot of bad feelings.

Where is goddess when we need her?
Oh, all right. It's a dirty job, but......................

PLAGIARISM
PLAGIARIZE

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, a Cliff's Notes version of the thread. Very handy! Now I don't have to read the whole thing.

re: #47 zombie

Or you can worship that perfect fusion of dinosaurs AND God:

God-zilla.

Just checking - can I laugh at this one? 'Cause this was a "LOL", too.

re: #65 NTropy

Nice to see you too, Joe. When you contribute something of meaning other than a pile-on like that let me know. I'm sure there's something in your 1000+ comments that indicates an IQ about room temperature.

The comment wasn't directed at you in case you didn't notice.

there are no private conversations on LGF..certainly you've been here long enough to know that AND how to be gracious toward the host..I stand by dinging down idiotic comments at any time and with malice aforethought..and I wouldn't go slinging IQ bullshit at anyone during this debate you young earth creationist you! heh...

re: #71 zombie

They discovered that being honest evangelicals fails to get their ideas into public schools (in re: school prayer).

They also discovered that they too can cater to the weak willed/ignorant by using leftist-styled propaganda to sell videos (Loose Change = anything by Mike Moore = Expelled)

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

I know! It's Manbearpig! I'm totally cereal!

re: #64 zombie

I don't know about that. In the book I read, he mentioned a Russian scientist a number of times. No longer have the book so I can't check the footnotes or references.

re: #81 NTropy

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

That is correct.
And his #1 wife was Mozzarella.

re: #81 NTropy

Is God-zilla's prophet Mo-zilla?

Best pun of the day!

I forget, did dinosaurs go extinct or turn into birds?

/evolutionist confusion ray

re: #83 HelloDare

Zomibe's probably right... just leftist hyperbole to smear the guy.

re: #86 Mr. Beamish

Why the false dichotomy?

re: #79 joecitizen
As far as I can tell, I have been gracious to our host. He is more than capable of defending himself (or disposing of me) if he feels it's necessary. And I have been here long enough (and avoided these threads enough) that a comment about being tired of them shouldn't raise hackles. Oh, and I don't happen to be among the young earth creationists either. But carry on - assume away.

re: #67 Charles

The greatest archaeological hoax: Piltdown Man.

Wasn't this considered the quintessential scientific hoax? A designation soon to be supplanted by Gore & Co, I'm sure...

re: #83 HelloDare

I don't know about that. In the book I read, he mentioned a Russian scientist a number of times. No longer have the book so I can't check the footnotes or references.

Supposedly he only referred to them AFTER he was called on it -- in his very first paper, he made no citations to Soviet scientists who had the same idea. He corrected that "oversight" in the book. Though it's certainly plausible that he wasn't aware of the Soviet theories before, since Russian stuff from the Cold War wasn't widely published here.

re: #89 NTropy

As far as I can tell, I have been gracious to our host. He is more than capable of defending himself (or disposing of me) if he feels it's necessary. And I have been here long enough (and avoided these threads enough) that a comment about being tired of them shouldn't raise hackles. Oh, and I don't happen to be among the young earth creationists either. But carry on - assume away.

the rating system is there for a reason and to be used...as for the rest,it is what it is.

re: #86 Mr. Beamish

I forget, did dinosaurs go extinct or turn into birds?

Both.

Most went extinct. A couple types survived and evolved into birds.

re: #88 Dan G.

Because asking if a meteor collision is responsible for turning dinos into birds was too subtle.

re: #91 zombie

Actually, I think that it was more accessible than one would assume. The anti-radar shape of the F-117 was based on a soviet mathematician's
paper.

re: #94 Mr. Beamish

But that happened more that 6,000 years ago... oops.

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old.

Charles, you appear to be going off the deep end by obsessively demeaning some of those who would otherwise have a great deal of respect for you. I'm surprised and disappointed to see this from you. Is this the real you or are you having some kind of personal difficulty?

Kudos for everything else, but this is becoming boorish.

re: #93 zombie

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

We may know a lot less about the origins of oil than we thought. The transition from peat to oil appears to be wrong. Coal may have biologic antecedents, but the quantity is proving scientifically suspect. It may be there is a non biologic origin. Like a recombintion of methane.
/hell, I don't know.

You know, I hate to admit this, but I can halfway understand why some people can't get their brains around evolution. Some of it's confusing and complicated even for people who believe in it (like myself).

But believing the Earth is 6000 years old? Uh, no, sorry. That's silly. Most adults should have enough common sense to see through that one.

If you can look at the Grand Canyon and think that a gigantic flood caused that, I have oceanfront property in Missouri to sell you.

re: #95 Dan G.

Actually, I think that it was more accessible than one would assume. The anti-radar shape of the F-117 was based on a soviet mathematician's
paper.

no it was from documents captured from germany during ww2 that were discovered in the 70's in an archive

re: #54 JustAVoter

I believe in God.

I believe in the Bible.

I do not believe in any gross misinterpretations of the Bible that honestly purport that 1,000 years is exactly equal to one day to God. It's not only bad science, it's bad Biblical interpretation - the number 1,000 is hardly intended to be literal, it's purely figurative.

Well, heck. First I hear Obama doesn't really mean exactly what he says today (big shocker, right?), and now you're saying the other diety doesn't either! A very disappointing day, all around...

/OK. I'll stop now.

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

And I bet they tasted just like chicken, too ...

re: #96 Dan G.

Crazy isn't it? Back then, rotting meat could turn into maggosts unless you put it into a bell jar.

re: #4 George guy

Of course, being that old, there shouldn't be any measurable amount of carbon-14 in dinosaur fossils.

Probably not. At the risk of being proven wrong, I believe the practical upper limit for C14 age dating is around 50,000 years.

Potassium-argon age dating might be more appropriate here, but the age of rock formations is quite easily cross-checked nowadays.

re: #77 zombie

Thank you, but I'm sure it's not comprehensive. I am certain I missed one or two debunkable* talking points.

*issat a word?

re: #104 Mr. Beamish

er.. maggots

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

I bet it tasted like chicken.

re: #100 white rabbit

You know, I hate to admit this, but I can halfway understand why some people can't get their brains around evolution. Some of it's confusing and complicated even for people who believe in it (like myself).

But believing the Earth is 6000 years old? Uh, no, sorry. That's silly. Most adults should have enough common sense to see through that one.

If you can look at the Grand Canyon and think that a gigantic flood caused that, I have oceanfront property in Missouri to sell you.

wouldnt that be riverfront

/sarc

re: #101 JimmyTheClaw

Oh.. my bad.

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

"Also note that molecular data shows that crocodiles are birds' closest living relatives.]"
[Link: www.talkorigins.org...]

re: #14 Kirly

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

Au contraire. I thought it was quite chuckle-worthy. :)

You guys have got the storyline wrong Bush went back in time and hunted down almost all of the dinos and buried them where he would drill oil wells. (and in places he wanted to invade)

The ones he missed had quickly decided to evolve into birds because they're hard to shoot with a dinosaur gun.

/

re: #57 zombie

Here is a short explanation of abiogenic oil as I understand it.

Scientist believe that oil comes from decayed living matter because it contains certain material, I think it's an isotope of carbon, that only exist in living matter. Gold says that the isotope is there because oil percolates up through a Deep Hot Biosphere (the title of his book). Deep petroleum deposits lack these biological traces. Also, petroleum has the type of isomers, right- or left-handed, I forget, that are found in synthetic oil instead of the other type of isomers that exist in biologically produced oil. There are a bunch of other reasons but I can't remember.

re: #103 RedPepper

And I bet they tasted just like chicken, too ...

Boy am I slow!

GMTA :)

re: #98 Mr. Beamish

I saw an article somewhere recently that suggested Tyrannosaurus rex is a genetic ancestor of the chicken.

Imagine the drumstick.

re: #30 pat

I knew that dinosaur, and you are no dinosaur.

That isn't the dinosaur Obama knew.

re: #104 Mr. Beamish

A bell jar 65.5 Million years ago?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

re: #111 Inquisitive

Oh yeah? On their mother or father's side? ;)

re: #115 wolfie

Maybe you type slow ...

re: #121 RedPepper

hunt peck hunt peck hunt peck...puff puff puff.....hunt peck

re: #113 slokat

You guys have got the storyline wrong Bush went back in time and hunted down almost all of the dinos and buried them where he would drill oil wells. (and in places he wanted to invade)

The ones he missed had quickly decided to evolve into birds because they're hard to shoot with a dinosaur gun.

/

And Cheney was personally trying to finish the last of them off...

re: #118 Dan G.

Exactly. In what other ways have anthropogenic glass-blowing technologies disrupted evolution? ;)

In reading these comments, I still can't tell if Charles' sarcasm about the age of the earth means he believes it is much younger than contemporary evolutionist or is mocking those who do.

re: #25 HelloDare

Abiogenic Petroleum
What accounts for the clouds of methane in space? Certainly not decomposed dinosaurs.

Obviously, there must be cows out there - if you know what I mean!

BIG, FAT ones!

;-)

[Hey - it's at LEAST as good a theory as you-know-what!]

And Charles, for what it's worth, this is an Associated Press story. Written by AP writer Mike Stark.

re: #110 Dan G.

Oh.. my bad.

i remember seeing a documentary when they first rolled out during the first gulf war and reading a few articles i could however be wrong or we both can be right if both were found around the same time because the soviets did overun parts of germany and grabbed all the tech they could find

re: #116 HelloDare

Imagine the drumstick.

yabba dabba dooo yummy bronto steack

re: #120 Mr. Beamish

Oh yeah? On their mother or father's side? ;)

Protorosaurus, Prolacerta (early Triassic) -- Possibly among the very first archosaurs, the line that produced dinos, crocs, and birds. May be "cousins" to the archosaurs, though.

Guess this would be concidered natures" down-sizing"
/

Goodnight, folks.

re: #124 Mr. Beamish

Huh? What does the experiment that demonstrates that multicellular ORGANISMS don't spontaneously generate have to do with unicellular spontanous generation?

And what does any of this have to do with evolution?

Completely unrelated ...

Does anyone have a copy of the keyword file for dKos that was found on the CMU "experiment" site? I need to look it over for some "research".

TIA

Clone the dinosaurs and send them to Mars!

re: #134 Salem

Clone the dinosaurs and send them to Mars Iran!

re: #130 Inquisitive

Guess this would be concidered natures" down-sizing"
/

Nature was forced to downsize due to the planet sequestering all that atmospheric carbon into oil and coal.

re: #100 white rabbit

You know, I hate to admit this, but I can halfway understand why some people can't get their brains around evolution. Some of it's confusing and complicated even for people who believe in it (like myself).

But believing the Earth is 6000 years old? Uh, no, sorry. That's silly. Most adults should have enough common sense to see through that one.

If you can look at the Grand Canyon and think that a gigantic flood caused that, I have oceanfront property in Missouri to sell you.

Maybe the Egyptians just didn't notice the dinosaurs walking around back near the Beginning 'cause they were hiding behind the Pyramids. Didja ever think of that?

/And to think I said I would stop. I guess I just "pulled an Obama". Ugh!

Must...go...to...bed...now.

If they cloned dinosaurs, and they did in fact taste like chicken. Would you buy fast food dino?

re: #34 Fenway_Nation

I know that much....I was wondering what the threshold was from when they are a bunch of dino bones in the ground waiting to be unearthed and displayed in various museums to when they become black oil, Texas Tea, bubblin crude, etc...

Or does it more vary with the geography involved..?

Remember, only part of a dinosaur is bones. The meat, the fat, and the hide, if they didn't get eaten by scavengers may well have been broken down by bacteria and converted into natural gas (methane). Some dino hide imprints and fossils ARE known, BTW.

It's generally accepted that petroleum is the product of degradation of organic material from small marine animals and algae. Shallow seas are much more productive of biomass than is the land, for the most part. Oil and gas are usually, but not always, found in rocks of marine origin. Oil and gas also migrate from where they are formed to where they are found. We draw a distinction between source rocks and reservoir rocks.

The abiogenic theory is interesting, but wells drilled to test it have not been successful. The proof of the conventional theory is that you can go down to your corner gas station and get a fill. The reason we continue to drill dry holes is not so much a flaw in the theory as it is simply the fact that it is difficult for us to accurately image the rocks thousands of feet beneath us. For instance, we might be drilling for a Devonian reef at 8500 feet, based on the interpretation of a seismic survey, and instead find only a local thickening of the platform limestone caused by a basement high.

re: #138 Dan G.

Are you kidding? Have you seen Supersize Me?

/who knew that order Big Macs for 30 consecutive days could be bad for one's health?

re: #138 Dan G.

If they cloned dinosaurs, and they did in fact taste like chicken. Would you buy fast food dino?

I'd go on a safari. No fun hunting chickens.

re: #132 Dan G.

Because the meteor that struck the earth that killed the dinosaurs between 4,000 and 65.5 million years ago left a lot a dead animals not covered by bell jars.

re: #139 Alberta Oil Peon

Thanks. Very informative.

Do you buy into "peak oil" theory? Sounds alarmist to me, but I'd rather rely on a pro's perspective.

re: #138 Dan G.

If they cloned dinosaurs, and they did in fact taste like chicken. Would you buy fast food dino?

Yes I'm looking forward to Kentucky Fried Dinos.

re: #135 wolfie

I know, let's all go to Mars! And then feed the Iranians to the dinosaurs. Where's that in the Quran, huh? Huh?...

re: #144 Neo Con since 9-11

Cretaceous Fried Chicken.

/it's flagellum-lickin good...

re: #145 Salem

I know, let's all go to Mars! And then feed the Iranians to the dinosaurs. Where's that in the Quran, huh? Huh?...

Hot damn! That's the kind of imperialism I could go for!

re: #119 Cognito

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I would agree.

(this time)

You mean, I have to choose between dinosaurs or God?

A straw man begging the question.

Actually, I'm sure there are some nice Iranians who don't in the least deserve to be fed to dinosaurs. Heck, I knew an Iranian once. Of course he was a total jerk, but still...

re: #142 Mr. Beamish

You are quite incomprensible...

From a wiki on Catholicism and Evolution:

Catholic Schools teach evolution, not theistic evolution, as part of their science curriculum. They teach the fact of evolution and the theory of its mechanisms. This is the same evolution curriculum that secular schools teach. Catholic schools do teach theistic evolution in their religion classes though. Bishop DiLorenzo of Richmond, chair of the Committee on Science and Human Values in a December 2004 letter sent to all U.S. bishops: "...Catholic schools should continue teaching evolution as a scientific theory backed by convincing evidence. At the same time, Catholic parents whose children are in public schools should ensure that their children are also receiving appropriate catechesis at home and in the parish on God as Creator. Students should be able to leave their biology classes, and their courses in religious instruction, with an integrated understanding of the means God chose to make us who we are."

Interesting that the Catholic Church makes an effort to keep science and theology seperate when it comes to evolution. No "false choice" required to pick God or Evolution.

Why can't the theories be compatible? Isn't it entirely possible that some humans evolved from primates and some are just Thetans trapped in unevolved human bodies?

re: #57 zombie

I used to be "into" Thomas Gold, but some science-y friends of mine thought his idea was ridiculous, so I shut up, not being an expert on the Earth's crust.

I still think it's a pretty cool speculation, though.

Speaking as a working geologist, I believe abiogenic oil may exist, in that it seems to chemically possible. But I'm certain that it's unlikely to ever be of economic importance because of one very salient point: there isn't much room for a "deep, hot biosphere" in the rocks of the Earth's mantle, which are heavy and dense, and almost totally devoid of pore space. It's the pore space, those little open voids between the mineral grains that make up a rock, that provide the room to host an oil or gas deposit, or a colony of bacteria cooking up said petroleum. Mantle rock is like building a hotel out of solid brick, all the way through, top to bottom, back to front, with no rooms in it. Might have a mighty nice facade, but you ain't going to get many guests in it.

re: #13 Charles

Even a story about dinosaurs threatens the creationists?

/good grief

1) No. Many creationists enjoy a good dino update. (Which is, again, for what it's worth, from the wicked Associated Press.)

2) It seems odd to feign surprise after including the stick-in-eye line, "Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old."

I say that not because I've got an interest in the recent LGF vs. Creationist fight. I say it because I don't.

Yeah. I doubt if most Iranians support either the mullahs or Ahmadinejad. A great many, no doubt, but probably not most.

re: #151 Dan G.

Thanks :)

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

Let's clone dinosaurs just so we can mercilessly mock them for going extinct without accomplishing a damn thing. I mean they had the earth all that time and no technology! Not even VHS!

SLACKERS!

re: #157 Mr. Beamish

Not a compliment... I've said as much to bums begging for change.

re: #158 infidel Alan

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

Well that explains everything. Now I can sleep well.

/Does anyone know if the nic "L Ron Hubbard" is taken yet?

re: #159 Salem

I'm interested in the potential as a food source. Use herbivores so that care would be cow-like, but he meat would directly compete with chicken...

re: #159 Salem

Let's clone dinosaurs just so we can mercilessly mock them for going extinct without accomplishing a damn thing. I mean they had the earth all that time and no technology! Not even VHS!

SLACKERS!

Dude! That was priceless. Perhaps I am a bit inebr, inhebr, um... drunk, but that made me laugh. A lot!

re: #158 infidel Alan

Bollocks. It was actually Xemu. Xenu didn't pay for his last engram removal. Xemu was in charge. Xenu is an infidel.

I think littleodlady put it best:

"I feel like I've been admitted into a big psychology experiment when these threads are posted".

( ~ )

re: #99 pat

We may know a lot less about the origins of oil than we thought. The transition from peat to oil appears to be wrong. Coal may have biologic antecedents, but the quantity is proving scientifically suspect. It may be there is a non biologic origin. Like a recombintion of methane.
/hell, I don't know.

Pat, peat is a precursor to coal, not oil.

I've seen coal chips under the microscope so many times I couldn't count it. Almost invariably, you can see a cellular structure like plant stems, or even wood grain. Once in a while, I see fossilized resin (which is technically the gem amber) in tiny blobs or droplets. Has a nice sparkle in the mike light, too.

re: #160 Dan G.

I took it as a compliment because I'm going for satire here. I've got cream pies for every one.

/because creationism vs. evolutionism arguments are so cream-pie worthy

re: #152 karmic_inquisitor

From a wiki on Catholicism and Evolution:

Interesting that the Catholic Church makes an effort to keep science and theology seperate when it comes to evolution. No "false choice" required to pick God or Evolution.

They don't teach French in math classes either.

re: #162 Dan G.

I'm interested in the potential as a food source. Use herbivores so that care would be cow-like, but he meat would directly compete with chicken...

PETD would be born along with the dinosaurs Dinosaurs have rights!, just like cockroaches and spaghetti-o-mold! Besides, all the dinosaur farts would eat right through our fragile ozone layer, or whatever.

re: #158 infidel Alan

Where'd they hide the oil?

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude! That was priceless. Perhaps I am a bit inebr, inhebr, um... drunk, but that made me laugh. A lot!

I'll have to work it into my routine. ;)

re: #162 Dan G.

I'm interested in the potential as a food source. Use herbivores so that care would be cow-like, but he meat would directly compete with chicken...

Shouldn't we all be eating Ostrich meat by now if giant chickens were the answer?

re: #143 karmic_inquisitor

Thanks. Very informative.

Do you buy into "peak oil" theory? Sounds alarmist to me, but I'd rather rely on a pro's perspective.

I think, ultimately, there will be an oil peak, but it will only be recognized in hindsight. As the oil price rises, it becomes financially possible to exploit oil (and gas) resources that were formerly passed over as too costly or difficult to extract. So "peak oil" becomes somewhat of a moving target because what wasn't a resource 20 years ago has now become one.

re: #172 Metal Man

Shouldn't we all be eating Ostrich meat by now if giant chickens were the answer?

You know what the problem with ostrich meat is?
It doesn't taste like chicken.

re: #164 Mr. Beamish

Bollocks. It was actually Xemu. Xenu didn't pay for his last engram removal. Xemu was in charge. Xenu is an infidel.

Your both wrong. It wasn't Xemu or Xenu, it was Xena
/Sorry had to be said.

re: #167 Mr. Beamish

Off target. It isn't evolution vs. creationism. Its whether religious beliefs should be injected into public school science class rooms in obvious conflict with the Constitution. The Wedge document that has been linked to quite a few times highlights this explicitly for anyone not keen enough to see it otherwise.

re: #172 Metal Man

Shouldn't we all be eating Ostrich meat by now if giant chickens were the answer?

There's a place up the road that sells Ostrich Jerky....

re: #169 Salem

Put a hose up there and collect the gas for energy!

re: #174 wolfie

"Ostrich. The other red meat."

Emu is pretty tasty as well.

The dinosaurs were toys that God got tired of playing with.

re: #174 wolfie
Never tried it chicken has always been cheaper. But I do remember all the hype selling breeding pairs for big bucks back in the 80s.

re: #172 Metal Man

The size wasn't the main attraction... it was the diet. Ostriches don't eat grass/leaves etc... don't they eat grain/sead type food like chickens? Or am I waaay off?

re: #162 Dan G.

I'm interested in the potential as a food source. Use herbivores so that care would be cow-like, but he meat would directly compete with chicken...

T-Rex might be pretty low in cholesterol, until he gobbled up Rosie O'Donnell and Mikey Moore, that is.

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

"Ostrich. The other red meat."

Emu is pretty tasty as well.

That I've never tried. I would imagine it tastes like ostrich. (?)

Gee, you coulda put a picture of McCain, or Byrd, up there instead of the brontosaur. That would have been funny.

re: #183 Alberta Oil Peon

I'd pay to watch that!

re: #185 calcajun

That conjured up a thought... how much time will the Obama campaign spend attacking the VP, with the obvious insinuation being that "he'd likely end up running the country anyway"?

I've had iguana a few times. (bro in P Rico)
Good stuff.
Tastes a lot like............yup.....................chicken.

re: #178 Dan G.

Put a hose up there and collect the gas for energy!

I think that might qualify as a financial incentive.

re: #188 wolfie

Gator tail and frog legs aren't far off either...

re: #182 Dan G.

All I know about Ostrich is they have the same threat response as the dems. Stick your head in the sand and hope for the best.

re: #187 Dan G.

That conjured up a thought... how much time will the Obama campaign spend attacking the VP, with the obvious insinuation being that "he'd likely end up running the country anyway"?

Well, let's see. Seems to me that would be unfair, misleading, tacky, and obnoxious. So.........
A LOT of time, I guess.

re: #184 wolfie

To be perfectly honest, it has been a very long time since I've sampled either. To the best of my recollection they both tasted like a rather tender, "sweeter" version of cow.

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

"Ostrich. The other red meat."

Emu is pretty tasty as well.

The big problem with raising ostrich and emu on a commercial scale is that there are no slaughterhouses and packing plants set up to handle them. They are too large for a chicken/turkey line, and too tall for a hog/cattle line. Also, they can be aggressive, and according to one rancher I met, emu are downright nasty.

Without packing plants, there's no market, and without a market, nobody will invest in a packing plant. So it remains a boutique meat.

re: #182 Dan G.

Omnivorous.

re: #195 Ma Sands

Thanks.

re: #166 Alberta Oil Peon

Having searched both the AGU and SPE (and other) sites for information, I have never come across anything that would even hint that Abiotic oil was thought of seriously (as a source of the oil we use) by the researchers in the field.

If you have any references I'd love to read them.

Everything I've found either traces back to (1) the original Soviet claim, (2) Gold, or (3) the Corsi popularization.

re: #190 Dan G.

Gator tail and frog legs aren't far off either...

Frog legs taste exactly like chicken. I can't imagine why anyone would pay big bucks to chow down on those little suckers. (OK, I did do it once.)

Gator tail?! Wow!
I guess it makes sense it'd taste like iguana.
But that would be a nice chunk o' chicken there!

re: #194 Alberta Oil Peon

The big problem with raising ostrich and emu on a commercial scale is that there are no slaughterhouses and packing plants set up to handle them. They are too large for a chicken/turkey line, and too tall for a hog/cattle line. Also, they can be aggressive, and according to one rancher I met, emu are downright nasty.

Without packing plants, there's no market, and without a market, nobody will invest in a packing plant. So it remains a boutique meat.

According to a semi reliable source another problem is that when you break their neck they run around like a hundred pound headless chicken doing all sorts of damage.

re: #198 wolfie

I've never bought frog legs... my dad used to go gigging (i.e. spearing with a pitchfork).

Similar story with gator tail... but I have also purchased it before.

re: #197 freetoken

Having searched both the AGU and SPE (and other) sites for information, I have never come across anything that would even hint that Abiotic oil was thought of seriously (as a source of the oil we use) by the researchers in the field.

If you have any references I'd love to read them.

Everything I've found either traces back to (1) the original Soviet claim, (2) Gold, or (3) the Corsi popularization.

When I said I believe it may exist, I meant that it may exist as a curiosity, or a phenomenon, but not as a commercially viable resource.

re: #176 Dan G.

Perhaps. I'm still trying to figure out if this topic is evolving or intelligently designed to go on ad infinitum. Personally, I think there's greater threats to the Constitution than attempting to force extra-Constitutional government-subsidized indoctrination centers to include this or that in their curriculum.

re: #200 Dan G.

I can see going after frogs, but going after gators sounds s-c-a-r-y!

BTW, ironic it is, when you put "origin of oil" into Google the second link you get back takes you to one of Charles' favorite spots, "answersingenesis":

Conclusion
All the available evidence points to a recent catastrophic origin for the world’s vast oil deposits, from plant and other organic debris, consistent with the biblical account of earth history.

re: #201 Alberta Oil Peon

When I said I believe it may exist, I meant that it may exist as a curiosity, or a phenomenon, but not as a commercially viable resource.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply otherwise... it is just that Abiotic Oil comes up here now and then and I'm trying to figure out if people get the idea from any source of which I do not already know.

re: #203 wolfie

Yea, its not child's play, but they are pretty dumb. Once their mouth is shut, its easy to keep it that way. Just mind the tail, its about as dangerous as the mouth. I've never done it, and I think that my father did it before they were protected... and so he likely just shot the damned thing.

re: #14 Kirly

uncalled for. not funny.

i was going to plus this newsworthy post until i saw that.

It makes a valid point?

I caught a bull-snake, once. :I

re: #199 Neo Con since 9-11

According to a semi reliable source another problem is that when you break their neck they run around like a hundred pound headless chicken doing all sorts of damage.

An ostrich's kick can tear your guts out.

I don't how they humanely kill chickens in packing plants. I know the hog plant in my town (which is quite new and hi-tech, the plant, that is, not the town) uses a tunnel filled with CO2. The hogs are herded into the tunnel, the gas causes them to go unconscious, and then they are bled out. They keep captive-spike pistols on hand for the rare animal that regains consciousness before it bleeds out.

The 4,400 comment was funny, and I think it served a point.

If you got offended by it, the young earth idea (I cant really even call it a theory) is probably a sacred cow (uh oh, a diety reference) so to speak. But I think the reason why Western Civilization has advanced and certain ones are still back in the 8th century, is that these sacred cow ideas can be challenged, and either found to be right or wrong.

So many ideas, that people thought were right, often because of their religious leaders told them so, were challenged by science and found to be wrong.

If you sincerely think the earth is 6,000 years old, then you should relish it being poked at and challenged if you think you can actually win in the areas of ideas.

Its just often when people get offended by having their ideas challenged (Algores rapid fans are a great example), its often because an article of faith to them has been challenged, with no way to back it up and rebut. Or when they attempt to rebut with their young earth idea, they try to find something unusual or that appears to be a contradiction, and claim that single event completely undermines the idea the earth is old, even though the vast massive preponderance of evidence points to a very very old Earth.

re: #194 Alberta Oil Peon

All true, as far as I know. Also, another obstacle that I see is that it is too far outside the norm for most. For many these are just freaky, ugly animals that they just don't want to eat. Again, it's been a long time since I've sampled either, but I do remember liking them, and I would eat them again if the opportunity was there.

Anyhow, I am seeing the "You must be this [............] sober to ride this thread" sign, and I am only about this [.] sober.

G'nite Lizards!

re: #173 Alberta Oil Peon

I think, ultimately, there will be an oil peak, but it will only be recognized in hindsight. As the oil price rises, it becomes financially possible to exploit oil (and gas) resources that were formerly passed over as too costly or difficult to extract. So "peak oil" becomes somewhat of a moving target because what wasn't a resource 20 years ago has now become one.

No question, 'peak oil' makes sense in the abstract, but the folks who flog it around in conversation usually miss the key two words 'economically recoverable'. If oil's trading at $20 a barrel, nothing's worth the effort. At $140 a barrel, you'd drill your backyard.

Some of us are old enough to remember the '70s, and the '80s, and the '90s.

I think what scares Big Oil right now as much as anything is the notion of committing to some huge exploration project with a $50 or $60 cost of recovery, then seeing the oil market tank (and new fields currently under development come online) and end up back where we were for a while in the late '90s with oil at $12 a barrel.

I don't think that's likely, but my utterly uneducated view is that there's easily over $50 of pure fluff in today's oil prices.

re: #52 Charles

That's probably the root cause of my delusional belief that dinosaurs existed; I loved Godzilla as a child. That must have really screwed up my thinking.

I was a Gorgo fan.

Have avoided this thread and others on LGF for good reason.

Just want you to believe in right and wrong. Don't ever want to take anything away from that.

Saw dinosaur tracks in northern Arizona. They are real.

Painted Desert, Arizona is something you have to visit to believe.

All this seems small (don't read these threads) so forgive me.

If you live in the "big city" and haven't seen all of the stars (except hollywood/) that are out there, you have no idea.

Maybe there is a brick wall beyond the moon and all of the stars you see in the night. What is on the other side of the brick wall? You can't answer that. It's spiritual. You have to believe.

Space goes on forever.
The Hubble Deep Field

We have to convince our Muslim friends that you do not get to the other side of the brick wall if you kill people indiscriminately.

Also embracing my Jewish friends (who I love).

We will hold down Russia and China. You have to do Iran.

Oh, and on dinosaur bones - didn't Bill Clinton's Department of the Interior put through a rule that these have to be turned over to the Native Americans just in case they might prove that someone was here before they were? They might lose their casino concessions and decades of special pleading to something large and cold-blooded.

re: #212 mrkwong

No question, 'peak oil' makes sense in the abstract, but the folks who flog it around in conversation usually miss the key two words 'economically recoverable'. If oil's trading at $20 a barrel, nothing's worth the effort. At $140 a barrel, you'd drill your backyard.

Some of us are old enough to remember the '70s, and the '80s, and the '90s.

I think what scares Big Oil right now as much as anything is the notion of committing to some huge exploration project with a $50 or $60 cost of recovery, then seeing the oil market tank (and new fields currently under development come online) and end up back where we were for a while in the late '90s with oil at $12 a barrel.

I don't think that's likely, but my utterly uneducated view is that there's easily over $50 of pure fluff in today's oil prices.

What really scares them is investing half a billion dollars in an oil field and some crazy dictator nationalizing their discovery.

And soon.

I don't believe in a brick wall.

The only emu I ever met was in a backyard a few doors down from a friend's house, in the middle of a beach town near San Diego. The story was, it was a "rescue" emu. UCSD, so they said, kept (or arranged the keeping) of several emus for their eggs. Eggs are apparently valuable immunology material; great big eggs are researchers' labor-savers. I never figured out if that particular bird was active, retired, or on sabbatical.

Didn't look very tasty, though.

Is Anorexia the supreme diety ?

DEITY DEITY DEITY DEITY

OT:
Just watched the launch of OSTM/Jason 2 mission from Vandenburg (about 50 miles north of here).
'Twas way cool and very visible from my balcony.
Yet another good thing about living in SoCal.

Now that's science!

re: #210 firepilot

Its just often when people get offended by having their ideas challenged (Algores rapid fans are a great example), its often because an article of faith to them has been challenged, with no way to back it up and rebut. Or when they attempt to rebut with their young earth idea, they try to find something unusual or that appears to be a contradiction, and claim that single event completely undermines the idea the earth is old, even though the vast massive preponderance of evidence points to a very very old Earth.

Bull. If you dig a hole 7926 miles deep, you're find Chinese artifacts under dinosaur beds.

re: #20 zombie

Until the late 1700s, most people thought fossils were the remnants of Biblical-era monsters. Mammoth skulls, for example, were thought to be the bones of the "Giants" mentioned in one of the Old Testament books.

Of course, we've learned a thing a thing or two since then.

we have?

/not always sure...... %-)

re: #221 least

OT:
Just watched the launch of OSTM/Jason 2 mission from Vandenburg (about 50 miles north of here).
'Twas way cool and very visible from my balcony.
Yet another good thing about living in SoCal.

Now that's science!

knew i'd forgot something.....

/schise!

Hey red.

re: #221 least

OT:

Just watched the launch of OSTM/Jason 2 mission from Vandenburg (about 50 miles north of here).

'Twas way cool and very visible from my balcony.

Yet another good thing about living in SoCal.

Now that's science!

I also had an excellent view from here in LaVerne. First stage burn was quite orange with a short narrow plume. The staging puff was obvious with a brighter white V or comet shaped second stage plume. i kept it in sight for about three minutes until burnout and the seperation puff. (7x50 binos)

re: #222 mr. beamish

Mr Beamish how is your point logical? It's a sphere? of course you would encounter chinese vases. But they would still be on top. Not under. With you intent you need to consider the earth having a center point and up and down radiating out from there. Not from your porch.

Again, I don't know what you're trying to show by blogging about obvious facts of evolution. It's as if you're trying to prove someone/thing wrong.

re: #227 hazzyday

OK, I give . . . what the frell is your avatar from?

/Dargo, off

re: #52 Charles

That's probably the root cause of my delusional belief that dinosaurs existed; I loved Godzilla as a child. That must have really screwed up my thinking.

yournext T-shirt?

re: #227 hazzyday

Mr Beamish how is your point logical? It's a sphere? of course you would encounter chinese vases. But they would still be on top. Not under. With you intent you need to consider the earth having a center point and up and down radiating out from there. Not from your porch.

hazzyday, you had better see a neurologist about that leg, the one you've lost feeling in, that is. Evidently, you can't tell when it's being pulled. ;>)

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm a lot more interested in where we're going than where we've been, too.

re: #227 hazzyday

Mr Beamish how is your point logical? It's a sphere? of course you would encounter chinese vases. But they would still be on top. Not under. With you intent you need to consider the earth having a center point and up and down radiating out from there. Not from your porch.

maybe he dug on a parabola....you know, to avoid the warm parts.

re: #232 kywrite

I'm a lot more interested in where we're going than where we've been, too.

not sure where we're going, but since it's a big hand basket, there's plenty of room.....

/still not comfortable though %-)

A few years ago a lady friend gave me a signed copy of this book, Dinosaurs of Eden: A Biblical Journey Through Time for my daughters, who were in middle school at the time.

She'd picked it up at a post-911 church sponsored event we both attended, at which the author, Ken Ham, was one of the speakers.

At the event, I learned a few things about Ham.
1) He hates poodles.
2) He insists there is only ONE human race, so racism is nonsense.
3) He believes Thomas Jefferson was INNOCENT of miscegenation.
4) He hates people who like poodles.

From the wiki article,

In 1979, Ham co-founded what was to be later known as the Creation Science Foundation (CSF) in Queensland, Australia with John Mackay. Controversy arose when Mackay "was excommunicated in the 1980s after making allegations of witchcraft and necrophilia against a fellow member of the ministry.

BTW, I trashed the book.

bolas always travel in pairs.
they mate for life.

re: #235 abolitionist

madness takes it's toll.......

/please have exact change ready. %-)

re: #236 least

bolas always travel in pairs.
they mate for life.

those are bolos.....

re: #236 least

bolas always travel in pairs.
they mate for life.

So do black widows.

re: #235 abolitionist

So you trashed the book why?
'Cause its association with an excommunicated guy?
'Cause you disagreed with it?
'Cause it was the wrong color?
Things didn't work out with the "lady friend"?
What's your point?

re: #235 abolitionist

2) He insists there is only ONE human race, so racism is nonsense.

I'm not sure about the rest of her arguments but she is right on that one.

re: #238 redc1c4

those are bolos.....

As their name implies, bolos are always solo.
(except when they -- very briefly -- get together for procreation)

re: #240 least

I trashed the book because it was filled with creationist propaganda -- insisting for example, that dinosaurs were conteporaneous with Adam and Eve. And no, things didn't work out with my "lady friend."

Gettin' loopy, just got up to watch for the launch.
Eyes are not behaving well (closing even when I don't want 'em too).
G'night, leeards.
G'night Dumpster Muffin, wherever you are.
Weet dreams.

The concept of a 6000 year old earth wasn't taught in my Methodist upbringing. I knew a person once who was dead certain that he was here on earth with a mission. That the purpose of Jesus was to help him to teach english to the other worlds out there. A 6000 year old earth is an obviously wrong interpetation of life. Jesus teaching English is more plausible.

The diversity in the country always surprises me. I wonder about the education and the mental state of people who cling to the notion of a 6000 year old earth. I am fine if they believe it. But I would also consider them closer to the taliban in thinking then to the average American, European, African,,, etc. Potential Seether.

And time is an illusion. One can experience a year of life in a dream that took only seconds. Time can fly and time can drag.

I see the necessity of treating the Bible as a divine reference. But the human interpetor is always deficient. Those who assume they have the real scoop are usually unbalanced. I would venture though that the Pope and the Dalai Lama have a better valid insight into the real life as represented by the long traditions they actively reprsent well. There is value in listening to them.

Things evolve, things change. Success involves understanding that concept and being confident in it. Time does test religions. Christianity holds up pretty well in my opinion. People like the discovery institiute and their political tactics don't hold up well. They do Christianity a disservice to put themselves up as an equal opposition to evolution.

The people who critizize Christianity because of flaws in people they see, make a large error in life. Christians are all sinners working to be better. They learn to accept their imperfections and do better, while the non believers that lambast them for their weakness are the weaker.

re: #231 Alberta Oil Peon

Lol.... i didn't know the author well enough then.

re: #229 least

OK, I give . . . what the frell is your avatar from?

/Dargo, off

Hermetic Cross

re: #243 abolitionist

OK - one more.
You attended a church event featuring Ken Ham, co-founder of the Creation Science Foundation.
You got a book titled "The Dinosaurs of Eden"
And you were expecting it not to be written from a Creationist POV? Logic it out.

Dude

Now really, weet dreams to all y'all.

re: #242 least

As their name implies, bolos are always solo.
(except when they -- very briefly -- get together for procreation)

they may be autonomous, but i don't think they reproduce.

Oops! Did I say “4,400?” That was just a guess. The real age is closer to 150 million years old.

Hilarious. I feel like I'm reading Fark.com.

The arguments about the earth's age were settled in the 19th century (some would even say in the 18th). There's no need to drag them into the 21st.

re: #250 AW

It has the ring of Clownie's dialogue in "Spawn"...

/but infinitely less cruel...

BTW, did any Lizards see The Kingdom?

I finally got to see that on DVD this week. I give it four fruitcups up...

re: #248 least

... And you were expecting it not to be written from a Creationist POV? Logic it out.

The main theme of the event and the talks was not creationism, at least not directly. It was more about the role of the bible and judeo-christian culture to the founding fathers, and in the development of this great country, which had been recently attacked by exponents of a contrary ideology.

the big question is: what to add to tonight's fruit cup

Blue Canuck is lying up over there in ambush, but why i'll never know, since i snuck in the other way and he never twitched.... that new GF must have him plum worn out.......

Estonian vodka and some absinthe for starters?

/& secret ingredient

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

re: #255 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

it tastes funny.....

and you're late. %-)

/white smoke

Go ahead and throw the vodka in, red.

/obviously I got up on the wrong side of the thread today...

re: #255 littleoldlady

Perfection.

SO
ADMIRABLE,
R

re: #256 redc1c4

I thunk she was one second EARLY, RedC

I pre-emptively threw in some vodka into my fruitcup to pre-empt red and build up an immunity/tolerance...

re: #255 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------------->
Help yourselves!

I'm so --------------> there!

:)

I'm showing 1/10th of a second late on my end.

Close enough for most government work.

TRIPLICATE,
R

Render! :-)

Karridine! :-)

Fenway! :-)