Yes Kos, god forbid Congress does something that might make us safer.

Idiots...

"suck off Repugs."

Klassy!

They do have a talent for turning a phrase, don't they?

The comments make perfect sense to me. It's what dims do.

Funny thing is, the lefties would be the first to use surveillance to watch what we do instead of the jihadis.

What hypocrites.

WE R IN UR FONE!

Was just about to comment on the utter joy I feel anytime a war funding or FISA bill passes.

HaHa
The Libs are gonna have a cow
LOL

Look, not to sound stupid, but can some explain why this is a good thing? I'm afraid all I have seen is left-wing media "explaining" it and I really don't know the facts.

Thanks :)

Hey, little Dems, come on over here. I have somthin' for ya!

It's a double whammy. Not only did FISA get passed - with telecom immunity of a sort, but the war appropriations bill did as well.

That howling you hear? That's the sound of lefties not realizing that their brand of politics doesn't hold as much sway in DC as they thought, even with a majority in the House and Senate.

No more phoning their al Qaeda Den Mothers without Uncle Sam listening in. Poor little Jihadis!

re: #2 MandyManners

"suck off Repugs."

Klassy!

Yeah, shows what the Daily Kos is made of, doesn't it.

I take it you're proud of what you've wrought, Markos Moulitsas. *spit*

re: #6 Sharmuta

WE R IN UR FONE!

ROFLMAO!

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Funny thing is, the lefties would be the first to use surveillance to watch what we do instead of the jihadis.

What hypocrites.

But of course. Those who hold divergent viewpoints are far far far more dangerous than those who take up arms against civilians because they don't believe in the same religion...

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Many of them played this to give each other cover. The only ones worth a damn are Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Pete Stark, Wexler and maybe a handful of the others. The rest, particularly the leadership, isn't worth shit.

HAHAHA!

I love the smell of exploding kossacks in the morning.

re: #11 lawhawk

Damned those moderate democrats needing to show the voters back in fly-over country they're not whacknuts in order to get re-elected!

Libs got backed into a corner on this one. Too close to election, they could not, not vote for it. McCain would have had a field day and it would have revived the doubts about Obama's....uh....fortitude.

re: #9 ninjadan

Look, not to sound stupid, but can some explain why this is a good thing? I'm afraid all I have seen is left-wing media "explaining" it and I really don't know the facts.

Thanks :)

It makes it easier to catch those who plot the overthrow of civilization.

"It's not "Casual Friday" - It's "Caustic Friday."

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

I love the smell of exploding kossacks in the morning.

It smells like...........like.......patuchi!

re: #11 lawhawk

It's a double whammy. Not only did FISA get passed - with telecom immunity of a sort, but the war appropriations bill did as well.

That howling you hear? That's the sound of lefties not realizing that their brand of politics doesn't hold as much sway in DC as they thought, even with a majority in the House and Senate.

Now if we can only translate this into some kind of major Mo for McCain?

re: #6 Sharmuta

WE R IN UR FONE LISS-NIN 2 UR JEE-HOD.

Last week, they were celebrating Kucinich go on the record and that this was the greatest Congress ever. Now they're pissed and they're calling it the worse Congress ever. Stay classy, kos kidz.

re: #9 ninjadan

FISA - the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act, enables the government to use national intelligence means to gather intel on all manner of sources, including communications coming into the US from foreign countries. The telecoms were helping out, and ACLU and others filed suit to stop it. An amendment was offered up to give them immunity, and that's held up passage. The version passed provides immunity of a sort - since the AG's office can basically say that the telecoms were acting under authorization of the President for the period involved.

All this stems from the fact that the FISA courts didn't operate as efficiently as necessary to allow intel gathering in an efficient and timely manner post 9/11.

Democrats For Terrorists advocacy group intends to sue. King Justice Stevens to rule based on the unapproved EU Constitution, which he finds preferable.

re: #11 lawhawk

It's a double whammy. Not only did FISA get passed - with telecom immunity of a sort, but the war appropriations bill did as well.

That howling you hear? That's the sound of lefties not realizing that their brand of politics doesn't hold as much sway in DC as they thought, even with a majority in the House and Senate.

and their heads explode, but it doesn't seem to stop them.

Congress to crazies:

We'll talk your talk, but when we vote you'll find
That we have not entirely lost our mind.

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Funny thing is, the lefties would be the first to use surveillance to watch what we do instead of the jihadis.

What hypocrites.

It's downright Wilsonian.

re: #28 DistantThunder

and their heads explode, but it doesn't seem to stop them.

Super-zombies?

By 4:00pm Hussein Obama will be promising to repeal it
Hey Soros !
Hows that ROI going
LOL

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

I love the smell of exploding kossacks in the morning.

And they're pretty damn fast to bring out their long knives on their own in Congress as well, if they don't follow the glue-sniffing, LSD-dropping, whigged-out line of the Great Orange Satan.

Take two Pat Buchanan op-eds and call me in the morning.

You'll feel a lot better.

Anything that ticks off the Kos Kids is good for America. I was worried about this one but this is great news. With all the bad news we've been getting lately it's nice to see that something sane can come from the government. Now on to the election and defeating BHO!

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Funny thing is, the lefties would be the first to use surveillance to watch what we do instead of the jihadis.

What hypocrites.

But they really don't care if it's legal or not.

Thank you, folks :D

I appreciate you bearing with my ignorance. So, the potential for abuse isn't what the libs are screaming it is, then?

re: #29 buzzsawmonkey

Congress to crazies:

We'll talk your talk, but when we vote you'll find
That we have not entirely lost our mind.

No...they lost their minds a long time ago. It's the meds that enable them to occasionally vote for bills that might actually benefit the country.

re: #33 Honorary Yooper

Progressive walk in lock-step. You could say it's the mantra of-

nothing outside the site, no one against the site.

OH NOES! THE GUVMINT CAN GET MY STEW RECIPE WHEN IZ TALK TO MYZ MAMA. LAWDY LAWDY!

re: #30 Sharmuta

It's downright Wilsonian.

Very much so. I fear that we could see something similar under an Obama administration with the Kossacks near the top.

OOOOOO this is good news - now if we can just get a break on a judge or two.....I know it is wishful thinking!

Here's another beaut:

Barack...not one dime

I'm pissed..I'm pissed at the Iraq spending bill and I'm pissed about the FISA and I can't take it any more. I've donated to Obama in the past and I don't intend to give again if he capitulates on this "compromise". Its ironic that Obama would send out a huge appeal for money because he is opting out of public financing, well show some backbone and maybe people will line up to give you that dough.

He he he

re: #39 Sharmuta

Progressive walk in lock-step. You could say it's the mantra of-

nothing outside the site, no one against the site.

Gee, that makes the Daily Kos sound downright fascist when you put it that way. ;-)

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH NOES! THE GUVMINT CAN GET MY STEW RECIPE WHEN IZ TALK TO MYZ MAMA. LAWDY LAWDY!

Their real stupidity is thinking the government isn't snooping anyway, legal or not.

The thing is, is this law retroactive? Will it cover Hepting vs. AT&T, the seminal case in this dipute?

If so, I'll have to update my first-hand report on this very topic.

AL-HARAMAIN v. BUSH SURVEILLANCE HEARING

(and "Hepting v. AT&T" NSA surveillance case)

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

San Francisco, August 15, 2007

FISA wont matter if we just send the captured terrorists to trial.

Can we send a taser blast over the phone lines?

This really is a glimpse into the Lefty mind set.
It is, about fairness to them. The jihadis do not have the capability that we do to tap phones. That is just unfair.
It is that thinking that leads them to conclude that we should destroy our nukes , while defending terrorist states like Iran going nuclear.
It's all about being fair.

...... gazing....

What was it that someone said lately, 'when you house is on fire, and your neighbors are throwing gas on it, they have an ulterior motive'....

What is the Kos kids' motive for keeping us from getting the terrorists?

re: #37 ninjadan

Thank you, folks :D

I appreciate you bearing with my ignorance. So, the potential for abuse isn't what the libs are screaming it is, then?

They think that Chimpy Bushitler and the Repugs will be listening to them.

Change!

re: #28 DistantThunder

and their heads explode, but it doesn't seem to stop them.

I think the head explosions don't hurt them because there's really nothing significant inside to harm.

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

You have to wonder if the koslings will take after Dear Leader and toss Congress under the bus.

re: #27 pat

Democrats For Terrorists advocacy group intends to sue. King Justice Stevens to rule based on the unapproved EU Constitution, which he finds preferable.

Actually, the EU has looser rules on listening in. I worked for a voicemail company and read the document describing the requirements for Germany, to make it easy for the government to retrieve voicemail.

This also would cause koskids heads to explode.

Progressives: Beating up people and taking their stuff since the Old Stone Age.

Liberals say such disgusting things, they don't want the government to hear how much they really do hate America - hence the fear of surveillance.

re: #46 zombie

You should add that to the spinoffs as "related to post".

If my government wasn't surveilling terrorism suspects, I'd sue for malpractice.

More funding for the NSA! Stat!

BREAKING: House Dems suck off Repugs. Again.
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BREAKING: House Dems suck off Repugs. Again.

Drat, I was kinda hoping he would stay stuck in this loop forever and bring the whole dailykos site down. Why stop at 12 lines? Why not 10, or 15? It's the same with their massive overuse of exclamation points - from a clinical perspective there must be some method to their madness.

re: #19 Russkilitlover

Libs got backed into a corner on this one. Too close to election, they could not, not vote for it. McCain would have had a field day and it would have revived the doubts about Obama's....uh....fortitude.

The mythical Obama fortitude. Rumors exist but proof is scant. I believe it is his Achilles heel, that needs to be exploited. "Present"ed to the American public, like his voting record.

re: #57 Sharmuta

You should add that to the spinoffs as "related to post".

Well, it's pretty out-of-date -- it's from ten months ago!

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH NOES! THE GUVMINT CAN GET MY STEW RECIPE WHEN IZ TALK TO MYZ MAMA. LAWDY LAWDY!

I continually freak out my liberal co-workers by telling them I don't care if the government listens to my phone calls. My phone conversations are pretty banal, and if the Feds want to waste their time on me, that's fine.

amazing how something good for our country, makes them suffer and thrash abt.
they really aren't right in the head.

re: #56 DistantThunder

Liberals say such disgusting things, they don't want the government to hear how much they really do hate America - hence the fear of surveillance.

They'd use this same measure in a heartbeat against their own enemies - you know the ones.... patriotic Americans.

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Funny thing is, the lefties would be the first to use surveillance to watch what we do instead of the jihadis.

What hypocrites.

They always accuse the Republicans of doing what they would do themselves.

It's important to note that there are provisions in the bill that actually make it harder to gather intelligence. For example, A FISA warrant is now needed to wiretap Americans who are overseas. (That's why it's a compromise, not a suck-off KosKidz.)

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, the EU has looser rules on listening in. I worked for a voicemail company and read the document describing the requirements for Germany, to make it easy for the government to retrieve voicemail.

This also would cause koskids heads to explode.

I posted this yesterday.

STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Sweden's Parliament narrowly approved a contentious law Wednesday that gives authorities sweeping powers to eavesdrop on all e-mail and telephone traffic that crosses the Nordic nation's borders.

SNIP.

Re # 46 zombie

The thing is, is this law retroactive? Will it cover Hepting vs. AT&T, the seminal case in this dipute?

If so, I'll have to update my first-hand report on this very topic.

AL-HARAMAIN v. BUSH SURVEILLANCE HEARING
(and "Hepting v. AT&T" NSA surveillance case)

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

San Francisco, August 15, 2007

Anyone know where to find what the vote count was for these bills? I'm curious how many Dems saw reason.

re: #63 shibumi,

How many people on terrorist watch lists do you call in Pakistan? That's really the only people who have to worry about this anyway.

re: #56 DistantThunder

Liberals say such disgusting things, they don't want the government to hear how much they really do hate America - hence the fear of surveillance.

And don't forgot their recreational drugs. Don't want Uncle Sam knowin' about that.

re: #61 zombie

But is' a good report, and it is related to the post. People might like the refresher.

I guess the moonbats do have concern since they are trying to destroy the US from the inside.

re: #61 zombie

I'll just say it- if you don't- I will.

Please delete my No. 75, Charles, too. I guess I just lost my head.

I apologize.

Echelon is a system used by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept and process international communications passing via communications satellites. It is one part of a global surveillance systems that is now over 50 years old. Other parts of the same system intercept messages from the Internet, from undersea cables, from radio transmissions, from secret equipment installed inside embassies, or use orbiting satellites to monitor signals anywhere on the earth's surface. The system includes stations run by Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, in addition to those operated by the United States. Although some Australian and British stations do the same job as America's Echelon sites, they are not necessarily called "Echelon" stations. But they all form part of the same integrated global network using the same equipment and methods to extract information and intelligence illicitly from millions of messages every day, all over the world.

Echelon
The dems do not even know about this
Pre FISA
Clinton turned it on

Thanks!

I never cease to be amazed at how absolutely partisan the Democrats have come. It does not matter if a bill is good for this country, if it has anything to do with Republicans or Bush it must be defeated at all costs. Imagine if KosKidz were actually members of Congress...wow C-Span might actually be entertaining to watch...

That popping sound you hear is millions of moonbat heads exploding.

And it's quite the disturbance in the farce.

Hilarious.

Shove it, Kos.

LOL

Y'all, remember, they'll be checking LGF for hate filled comments.

re: #46 zombie

It's my understanding that it does: HR 3773, as agreed:

Section 802:

(a) Requirement for Certification-

`(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no civil action may lie or be maintained in a Federal or State court against any person for providing assistance to an element of the intelligence community, and shall be promptly dismissed, if the Attorney General certifies to the court that--

`(A) any assistance by that person was provided pursuant to an order of the court established under section 103(a) directing such assistance;

`(B) any assistance by that person was provided pursuant to a certification in writing under section 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) or 2709(b) of title 18, United States Code;

`(C) any assistance by that person was provided pursuant to a directive under sections 102(a)(4), 105B(e), as in effect on the day before the date of the enactment of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, or 703(h) directing such assistance; or

`(D) the person did not provide the alleged assistance.

`(2) REVIEW- A certification made pursuant to paragraph (1) shall be subject to review by a court for abuse of discretion.

re: #63 shibumi

I continually freak out my liberal co-workers by telling them I don't care if the government listens to my phone calls. My phone conversations are pretty banal, and if the Feds want to waste their time on me, that's fine.

I'm the same way. If the goverment is really interested in me talking to my wife about what to pick up from the store on the way home, well thats at least 1 person interested in the conversation.

This is off topic. There was a pledged Hillary delegate on Fox this morning. She is from Wisconsin, I believe last name, Amblet.
She organized a web call among other Hillary delegates to support McCain. She thinks that Barry is to extreme.
Here's a shocker, the Obama campaign & left blogs have branded her a racist. There have been death threats against her & her children.
Don't mess with the lightworker!

The lamentation of the Koslims is music to my ears. Sing on.

re: #84 redstateredneck

Y'all, remember, they'll be checking LGF for hate filled comments.

Yep. I screwed up.

#69

Re # 46 zombie

The thing is, is this law retroactive? Will it cover Hepting vs. AT&T, the seminal case in this dipute?

If so, I'll have to update my first-hand report on this very topic.

AL-HARAMAIN v. BUSH SURVEILLANCE HEARING
(and "Hepting v. AT&T" NSA surveillance case)

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

San Francisco, August 15, 2007

What I meant to say was that I was not surprised about this given the court and the city this case originates from.

PIMF!

re: #79 LeftJustAintRight

The deal is that it's a political tactic in order to raise awareness on things that's not relevant at all. But right now, the democrat's have been trying to exploit people's "anger" at the telecoms for allowing it until they're in the clear to finally shut down the frivolous lawsuits.

re: #74 Sharmuta

OK: Done! Added.

Gonna' take a break.

That popping sound you hear is millions of moonbat heads exploding.

Moonbat brains flying about? Well, that explains the smell of poo.

will Obama vote against it? btw,saw a report that Jack Murtha is on the proposed VP list.

I think the immunity clause for the telecomm companies is being applied retroactively in this case. I thought thats how I heard it on the radio this morning.

re: #92 zombie

Right on!

re: #73 shibumi

And don't forgot their recreational drugs. Don't want Uncle Sam knowin' about that.

And the underage girls they then have to transport across state lines to clean up their "issues." Or the High price ones they pay.

re: #71 Duke6855

293-129

re: #73 shibumi

And don't forgot their recreational drugs. Don't want Uncle Sam knowin' about that.

It's actually illegal to use information on any other criminal activity discovered by accident in any of these phone taps. Only stuff relevant to the investigation at hand.

re: #95 beens21

will Obama vote against it? btw,saw a report that Jack Murtha is on the proposed VP list.

Yes, he will vote against it. He needs to secure the krazy kos kidz' votes. If they're actually relevant.

re: #72 Iron Fist

,

How many people on terrorist watch lists do you call in Pakistan? That's really the only people who have to worry about this anyway.

My liberal co-workers are convinced that this sort of thing (along with the Patriot Act) is really some sort of police-state tactic by Herr Bush to stop all personal freedoms, which I suppose includes the freedom to talk to terrorists.

And yes, I am well aware I know individuals who have the reasoning abilities of a hamster on crack.

re: #81 Sizzlack

I never cease to be amazed at how absolutely partisan the Democrats have come. It does not matter if a bill is good for this country, if it has anything to do with Republicans or Bush it must be defeated at all costs. Imagine if KosKidz were actually members of Congress...wow C-Span might actually be entertaining to watch...

C-Span would than have to be X-Rated.

I'm sorry.

That was inappropriate.

re: #86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm the same way. If the goverment is really interested in me talking to my wife about what to pick up from the store on the way home, well thats at least 1 person interested in the conversation.

LOL!

re: #101 Kaitian868

Yes, he will vote against it. He needs to secure the krazy kos kidz' votes. If they're actually relevant.

He probably will, but this is the time, and the smart political move, to move back towards the center. We will see.

re: #87 opnion

This is off topic. There was a pledged Hillary delegate on Fox this morning. She is from Wisconsin, I believe last name, Amblet.
She organized a web call among other Hillary delegates to support McCain. She thinks that Barry is to extreme.
Here's a shocker, the Obama campaign & left blogs have branded her a racist. There have been death threats against her & her children.
Don't mess with the lightworker!

Paula Abeles

re: #95 beens21

will Obama vote against it? btw,saw a report that Jack Murtha is on the proposed VP list.

Oh, please. According to the Obamessiah, Murtha has too much military experience for VP. If he claims McCain does, then Murtha certainly does.

If he does, he'll just be handing us more ammo. :-)

re: #56 DistantThunder

Liberals say such disgusting things, they don't want the government to hear how much they really do hate America - hence the fear of surveillance.

I have to disagree with your premise. I do not like the "authorities" snooping around me either, for privacy reasons, and because it is a violation of my rights, and a reduction of my freedom. The Funding Fathers would probably all be in prison within a year in the current societal situation. Make no mistake, they would be labeled as nuts' rebels, and agitators and hauled off to prison because they would not stand for the government usurping the rights of it's citizens like the government has for the last 50 years. Do you really think the Constitution gives the government the power to tell you what light bulbs you can use. Do you think the government has the authority to define thought crimes and prosecute people for what they decide they might be thinking?

re: #95 beens21

will Obama vote against it? btw,saw a report that Jack Murtha is on the proposed VP list.

Hah that's good for a laugh. And last night I read John Edwards was a possibility too. That's a sure fire way for Obama to do well...pick a fringe member of Congress to be your running mate...so they can guarantee you...what...the Populist vote?

The children. My God--I mean Superior Being of your choice--the children.

DUmmies and Kommies beware...

re: #106 Nevergiveup

He probably will, but this is the time, and the smart political move, to move back towards the center. We will see.

Considering he's the most liberal Senator in the senate, I really doubt he will bother to try and do that. He's got the media in his pockets to try and help label him as a "moderate".

Pinhead popcorn!

re: #71 Duke6855

re: #71 Duke6855

Anyone know where to find what the vote count was for these bills? I'm curious how many Dems saw reason.

[Link: www.usa.gov...]

Let the left wing head popping commence.

Have these bills passed the Senate yet? I'm just wondering when Bush will sign them.

re: #103 Beobachter

C-Span would than have to be X-Rated.

True. We'd see way to many naked asses due to the Kossacks mooning the other side every time they didn't hear something they liked.

Something that has always amazed me is the connipition "liberals" have about FISA, and yet how they tolerate the IRS, which is infinitely more intrusive.

Typical left-wingers: those who want to attack us are good, those who want to protect us are evil. Truly Orwellian.