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Science: Report Rules Out Subatomic Doomsday

Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:49:29 pm PDT

I don’t know about you, but I’m going to sleep a little bit better tonight knowing that the scientists aren’t going to tear a hole in the fabric of the universe.

Or maybe they’re just saying that.

Europe’s CERN particle-physics lab has issued its long-awaited report on safety issues surrounding the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s biggest and most expensive atom-smasher. Some have feared that when the collider reaches full power, sometime next year, it might create microscopic black holes or other exotic phenomena that could endanger Earth. The new report, like earlier safety studies, rules out the possibility of global danger.

Critics of the collider are pursuing a federal lawsuit challenging the safety claims - and they’re likely to continue the doomsday debate even in the wake of this report.

The report’s argument follows the basic line used in past reports: Even the most energetic collisions planned for the LHC are far less powerful than cosmic-ray collisions that have been going on for billions of years.

“Nature has already generated on Earth as many collisions as about a million LHC experiments – and the planet still exists,” CERN said in its lay-language summary of the report. “Astronomers observe an enormous number of larger astronomical bodies throughout the universe, all of which are also struck by cosmic rays. The universe as a whole conducts more than 10 million million LHC-like experiments per second. The possibility of any dangerous consequences contradicts what astronomers see - stars and galaxies still exist.”

The report also delves into the theoretical implications even if it turns out that microscopic black holes may hang around longer than most scientists think, and still ends up ruling out the catastrophic risk. In the stable-black-hole scenario, physicists do not expect the black holes to gobble up matter and grow to a monster size. Instead, they would interact - or not interact - with the particles they came across.

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1 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:50:38pm

That's a relief.

Can it make the Obamas go away?

2 Little Boomer  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:51:18pm

whew!

3 redshirt  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:52:36pm

Well, i think that is still more likely than manmade global warming.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:53:19pm

The Luddites will not be satisfied!

5 freetoken  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:53:28pm

It's only a theory.

6 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:54:38pm

This reminds me that I need to brush up on my amateurish knowledge of physics so I know what they're talking about when they flip the switch.

7 redshirt  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:56:32pm

Actually, all this is irrelevant, this is the real cause for concern!

8 jcm  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:57:29pm

Not so fast Charles....

20 Ways the World Could End Swept away

1. Asteroid impact
2 .Gamma-ray burst
3. Collapse of the vacuum
4. Rogue black holes
5. Giant solar flares
6. Reversal of Earth's magnetic field
7. Flood-basalt volcanism
8. Global epidemics
9. Global warming
10. Ecosystem collapse
11. Biotech disaster
12. Particle accelerator mishap
13. Nanotechnology disaster
14. Environmental toxins
15. Global war
16. Robots take over
17. Mass insanity
18. Alien invasion
19. Divine intervention
20. Someone wakes up and realizes it was all a dream

Sleep well....

9 mossley  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:57:54pm

Unfortunately, with what passes as scientific education nowadays, the response is going to be: Yeah, that's what they say...

10 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:58:03pm

Darn, and I was hoping for a subatomic doomsday.

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:58:10pm

The only disaster here is that we didn't build it, the Euros did. Good for them.

12 freetoken  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 7:58:14pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

The Perimeter Institute's Public Lecture series is pretty good for meaty but accesible information. I gave a link last night to a recent cosmology talk.

However, last year they had someone speak on the LHC. Here is the website of their videos; scroll down to the lecture from last November. The Flash player gives the vugraphs as well as the video.

13 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:00:32pm

Can they use that to dematerialize the Democrats?

14 Whiterasta  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:00:34pm

re: #8 jcm

Add in Y2K and The bird flu pandemic. GM crops and DDT, too.

15 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:01:39pm

re: #12 freetoken

Cool. Watching now....

16 jcm  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:02:12pm

re: #14 Whiterasta

Add in Y2K and The bird flu pandemic. GM crops and DDT, too.

WE'RE ALL GONNA' DIE AND YOUR MAKING JOKES!
/

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #7 redshirt

Actually, all this is irrelevant, this is the real cause for concern!

It's 390m wide. And it could hit Earth in 31 years time

Dang. Now we won't know if global warming will do us in.

18 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:19pm

Fabric of the universe is ripstop Nomex with 10% Lycra so it won't bind when it expands.

19 Charles  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:23pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

The only disaster here is that we didn't build it, the Euros did. Good for them.

Maybe if we teach intelligent design in science class we'll be able to catch up.

/sorry, that was unforgivably snarky

20 looking closely  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:24pm
The new report, like earlier safety studies, rules out the possibility of global danger

Well, there you go.
The scientists running this bit have written on a piece of paper than nothing could possibly go wrong.
I feel a lot safer now.

21 Purple Prose  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:26pm

Pakistan is working on this problem. If they don't succeed in tearing a hole in the universe and bringing about the Islamic apocalypse, they are going to wait until Obama is president and tear US a new one.

22 shibumi  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:29pm

Kind of OT:

Whenever I read the acronym CERN I think of NICE from the C.S. Lewis book That Hideous Strength.

From Orwell's review of the above book:

A company of mad scientists – or, perhaps, they are not mad, but have merely destroyed in themselves all human feeling, all notion of good and evil – are plotting to conquer Britain, then the whole planet, and then other planets, until they have brought the universe under their control

I'm pretty sure CERN isn't planning to conquer Britain, but are we certain that they are not evil geniuses that are secretly plotting our destruction?

23 Racer X  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:03:50pm

We're gonna go BOOM! in 31 years? Well, at least we'll be warm.

24 jcm  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:04:02pm

Later Lizards.....

"I am well aware of the toil and blood and treasure that it will cost to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the gloom I can see the rays of ravishing light and glory. I can see that the end is worth more than the means."

John Adams.

These words remain true today.

25 Inquisitive  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:04:02pm

And if they are wrong......well we all go to go some way some day.....why not by science(being said in jest)

26 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:04:27pm

So I should still contribute to my 401K.

27 looking closely  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:04:41pm

re: #19 Charles

Maybe if we teach intelligent design in science class we'll be able to catch up.

/sorry, that was unforgivably snarky


Hey. . .
Only in *science* classrooms.

28 freetoken  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:05:16pm

re: #19 Charles

Definitely need to cast out that demon...

29 Paul  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:05:42pm

Pesonally, I'd rather go out with a bang rather than a whimper.

30 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:06:05pm

Yeah, sure. And they said the wheel wouldn't run over any toes.

31 Inquisitive  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:06:24pm

re: #25 Inquisitive

go---got to go PIMF!

32 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:08:52pm

re: #19 Charles

Your science hurts my feelings.
/

33 pat  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:08:55pm

Much more worried about the Higgins boson. ;)

34 Macker  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:09:30pm

I remember when this story broke 3 months ago. I recorded this "dramatic headline" In the Spirit of Charles...

35 mossley  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:09:56pm

re: #14 Whiterasta

You forgot SARS, the disaster-that-wasn't from a few years ago. It amazes me that while journalists rightly make the bottom of lists of public trust, people still believe the paranoid predictions they make.

I asked a friend who went out and stocked up on rice a few weeks ago why they believed an AP story that there was a shortage when the local stores had the shelves stocked with it on sale. "But it was in the paper." He wasn't happy when I asked him if he saw the baby Elvis had with the Bigfoot abroad the UFO.

36 jamgarr  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:10:19pm

1) Admit the risk
Upside - The satisfaction (for the 8 minutes it takes for all terran matter to cross the newly-formed event horizon) of knowing that you called it.
Downside - Being labelled a lunatic for the remainder of your (extended) life.

2) Say there's no risk
Upside - If you get the above-mentioned extended life you have the satisfaction and perks of having called it.
Downside - What can the world do to you in 7 minutes and 59 seconds that would make the next second any better or any worse?

/Easy

37 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:10:24pm

re: #12 freetoken

I'm really impressed by their presentation. Video on the left, enlarged graphs on the right. Very well done.

38 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:10:44pm

"And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big fucking lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend."

39 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:11:06pm

So is this the FNDT?

40 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:11:59pm

Of course CERN started the Web.

/i thought i remembered that

41 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:11:59pm

re: #38 Reno911

Don't take that wrong anyone.

42 joecitizen  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:12:27pm

re: #41 Reno911

Don't take that wrong anyone.

Heathen!

43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:12:43pm

Imagine what a weapon an artificially created blackhole could make. Pull apart an enemy facility at a sub atomic level with no pesky fallout to worry about.

Sorry, I have a tendency to try and militarize everything.

44 freetoken  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:13:00pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Some of the videos are better than others. The "What Banged?" presentation is pretty good, though you have to follow carefully at the end to not miss the comparisons between the two models of the universe.

45 BignJames  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:13:05pm

Yeah, but nonotechnology is still gonna' turn everything to 'gray goo'.


/read that somewhere...must be true

46 Paul  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:13:27pm

There's still hope. Water found on Mars.

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:13:50pm

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

Schrödinger's Shot Glass!
/Drink!
//Or not!
///Or both!

48 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

The only disaster here is that we didn't build it, the Euros did. Good for them.

Which means it's use will soon be governed by Shari'a.

YOWZA!

49 redshirt  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:14:23pm
Downside - What can the world do to you in 7 minutes and 59 seconds that would make the next second any better or any worse?


Make love to my wife! Wait,that would still leave me 5 minutes

50 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:15:06pm
51 alilianstrom  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:15:09pm
Whenever I read the acronym CERN I think of NICE from the C.S. Lewis book That Hideous Strength.

Just so you know - CERN has a software application for Windows that is called NICE.

The ILC is the next big thing in Accelerator physics. With any luck it'll get built at Fermilab

52 gopninja  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:15:40pm

but i thought black holes were only 10,000 years old...

53 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:16:35pm

re: #52 gopninja

but i thought black holes were only 10,000 years old...

No, 8,000. God waited a few years for that little surprise.

54 jamgarr  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:16:47pm

re: #49 redshirt

Make love to my wife! Wait,that would still leave me 5 minutes


Redshirts should not be heard to predict the likelihood of future, sudden catastrophic events - otherwise they wouldn't be redshirts.

55 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:17:28pm

re: #21 Purple Prose

Pakistan is working on this problem. If they don't succeed in tearing a hole in the universe and bringing about the Islamic apocalypse, they are going to wait until Obama is president and tear US a new one.

I thought this was the purpose of Iran's nuclear program - bring the Mahdi

56 snowcrash  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:18:18pm

I hope the science writers can explain any new findings SIMPLY because it will be interesting but complicated.

57 shibumi  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:18:31pm
re: #22 shibumi

I'm pretty sure CERN isn't planning to conquer Britain, but are we certain that they are not evil geniuses that are secretly plotting our destruction?


For clarification, I was being facetious.

58 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:19:08pm

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

The first Web page.

I searched for Al Gore's name under people and history. Couldn't find it.

59 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:19:17pm

Scientists say a lot of things:...

Scientists: Weather extremes consistent with global warming

Scientists build robot that can replicate itself

I'm not worried about a hole in the fabric of the universe, but I am skeptical when I hear any news story that starts with "scientists say..."

Wish I wasn't, but I am.

60 jaunte  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:19:36pm

re: #57 shibumi

They have been eating a lot of citrate lately.

61 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:20:25pm

Microscopic black holes. Cool. Eff a paper shredder, looky what I got at Staples !

And the jihadis are still pettin' their rub rock.

62 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:21:14pm
"Scientists build robot that can replicate itself."

Big disappointment. The robot spent all day masturbating.

63 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:21:40pm

There was a science fiction book several years ago that postulated exactly this scenario. Can't remember the title or the author (Hoyle maybe?). The plot included a combination of chaos theory and quantum theory. The hero of the book had access to a device that was able to send messages through time (forgot the exact methodology, but it was credible in a modern physics sense). Anybody want to bet that is where the moonbats opposing this got their idea? I seriously doubt any of them have the brainpower to come up with such a theory on their own -- and I'll bet all of them believe in the non-causal origin of the universe as well (while we're being snarky).

64 shibumi  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:21:52pm

re: #51 alilianstrom

Just so you know - CERN has a software application for Windows that is called NICE.

The ILC is the next big thing in Accelerator physics. With any luck it'll get built at Fermilab

What a bizarre coincidence.

Great news if they can get it built at Fermilab. A project like that would do a lot of good for the local economy.

65 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:22:10pm

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo


Scientists build robot that can replicate itself

OH MY GOD! The metal ones really ARE coming!

I've seen this episode of South Park. It doesn't end well, people!

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:22:25pm
67 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:22:26pm

re: #62 HelloDare

Big disappointment. The robot spent all day masturbating.

"Who's gonna clean up this oil slick?"

68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:22:56pm

re: #61 SasquatchOnSteroids

Microscopic black holes. Cool. Eff a paper shredder, looky what I got at Staples !

And the jihadis are still pettin' their rub rock.

Well, they would be unlocking the primal secrets of the universe, but they're just too busy grinding their foreheads into a carpet with their butts in the air 7 times a day to get around to it.

69 freetoken  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:23:06pm

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

Scientists say a lot of things:...

Scientists: Weather extremes consistent with global warming


If you are interested, this is the report I believe UsaToday is referencing.

70 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:23:18pm

re: #8 jcm

Not so fast Charles....

20 Ways the World Could End Swept away

Sleep well....

Oh, thank you. Thank you veryfuckingmuch.

71 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:23:35pm

re: #58 HelloDare

I searched for Al Gore's name under people and history. Couldn't find it.

I can remember when most Web pages looked that simple.

/1993

72 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #48 BGOH

Don't write off the Europeans yet. Developments like this give them the edge on particle physics for probably about the next decade or so. We have a chance to beat them but scrapped our collider in the mid 90's. Countries like India, Israel, Brazil and the UK are pushing really hard on biotech. The US is less enthusiastic. We are very close to dropping the ball.

73 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:24:22pm

re: #18 HelloDare

Fabric of the universe is ripstop Nomex with 10% Lycra so it won't bind when it expands.

That would be awesome material for maternity bras!

74 Dianna  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:24:29pm

re: #19 Charles

Nah. I like it.

On the other hand, I'm listening to Dolly Parton and the Bodeans, so my taste can be questioned.

75 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:24:50pm

re: #62 HelloDare

That was messed up, but funny.

Robots. Everybody dance!

76 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:07pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Well, it doesn't do anything for Obama's little girls, so I'm not surprised.

/I'm only half joking there, btw...

77 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:17pm

re: #56 snowcrash

I hope the science writers can explain any new findings SIMPLY because it will be interesting but complicated.

Science writers stink. It's going to be very difficult to understand what's going on because most of the writers reporting it in the MSM won't understand what they're talking about.

78 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:22pm

re: #67 Ward Cleaver

Not going there.

79 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:28pm

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Imagine what a weapon an artificially created blackhole could make. Pull apart an enemy facility at a sub atomic level with no pesky fallout to worry about.

Sorry, I have a tendency to try and militarize everything.

If Hamas keeps importing weapons into Gaza, the could reach critical mass and cause a black hole to form, wiping out Gaza.
/do I need to?

80 Dianna  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:39pm

re: #33 pat

You mean the Higgs Boson? The culprit in Through the Looking Glass? In which a very nice bar-fly got red-shirted, without ever putting in an appearance?

81 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:25:59pm

re: #66 taxfreekiller

Whew...thanks tkf!

82 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:26:13pm

re: #73 MandyManners

That would be awesome material for maternity bras!

I need a fan. Starting to sweat.

83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:27:17pm

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

If Hamas keeps importing weapons into Gaza, the could reach critical mass and cause a black hole to form, wiping out Gaza.
/do I need to?

Oh darn, that would be a real shame.

84 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:27:42pm

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

85 snowcrash  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:28:09pm

I could make some allusions to the discovery of the role of dark matter and dark energy and the rate of the expansion of the universe but the Democrats might call me a racist./s

86 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:28:19pm

"You maniacs! You sucked it all! You sucked it all to hell!"

/Planet of the Miniature Black Holes

87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:28:30pm

re: #73 MandyManners

That would be awesome material for maternity bras!

Why are boobs like toys on Christmas?

They're meant for the kids but Dad always ends up playing with them

89 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:29:25pm

The yerps are worried about subatomic particle collisions yet they drive 250 km/hour in 2,000 kg cars on the Autobahn.

90 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:07pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

With you there. That's just insanely arrogant.

91 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:10pm

The Mayans said we only have 4 years left anyway.

Oh an BTW, it's good to be back online!

92 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:19pm
93 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:25pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Yes, that was the subject of a lot of talk earlier. I speculated that arugula is in the eagle's right talon, organic asparagus is in the left.

94 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:28pm

Look at it this way, if they did create atomic doomsday, our problems are all over. Run toward the light, grasshopper.

95 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:29pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

That, and we shut down our contribution being built in Texas when it went over budget. Anybody remember the superconducting supercollider? Congress killed it when it went over its budget. Overspending on welfare programs and fraud? That's OK. Overspent on science and basic research (or a defense program for that matter)? Off with their heads!

97 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:52pm

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

I need a fan. Starting to sweat.

Hold steady, Ward. June's drawn a cold bath for you.

98 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:30:55pm

re: #85 snowcrash

I could make some allusions to the discovery of the role of dark matter and dark energy and the rate of the expansion of the universe but the Democrats might call me a racist./s

See, I was thinking that if CERN destroyed Earth with this thing, the usual suspects would find a way to blame Bush.

You know "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon"? They don't even bother with six degrees anymore. It's "Two Degrees of The Bush Administration".

99 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:31:02pm

re: #44 freetoken

Robert Orr looks like a professor at Hogwort's.

100 Purple Prose  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:31:29pm

re: #55 Kosh's Shadow

I thought this was the purpose of Iran's nuclear program - bring the Mahdi

Iran's got Pakistan's "technology" thanks to Khan, who himself got Pakistan's nukes by stealing the technology from others. Pakistan is the most hopeless of all Muslim nations. It has no culture of its own. It is not Arab or Persian. It was purely colonized and defeated by Islam, and its national identity is just the western Muslim portion of old British India. It can't even keep order in its own country, unlike Iran or the Arab nations. It's a basket case.

Plus, Obama has blown kisses toward Iran and Arab nations but has threatened to go into Pakistan's Pashtun's areas with or without Pakistan's blessing. Pakistan may be the only Muslim nation, besides Iraq for different reasons, where Obama is not loved.

101 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:31:42pm

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*sigh*

*snicker*

*sigh*

Oh, heck. LOL!

102 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:31:53pm

And there's always Monkey vs. Robot.

103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:32:34pm

re: #91 RememberSekhmet?

The Mayans said we only have 4 years left anyway.

Oh an BTW, it's good to be back online!

My theory on that.

The Mayans said fuck it, we're not carving anymore stones. If we get that far ahead, we'll make some more.

104 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:32:36pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Did you see this: Obama's original logo. Scroll down.

105 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:33:05pm
106 shibumi  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:33:32pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

For some reason, it reminds me of a kid in school playing dress up. The caption should read: "Little Barack dresses up and plays President." Because that's all he'll ever do even if he is elected.

Also...remember at the beginning of the year, when the Democrats kept calling Hillary the next President of the United States? Did that work out the way they planned?

I've heard them doing that for Obama now. It's not good to count your chickens, you know the rest.

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:33:46pm

re: #95 AZfederalist

Yup. It's a shame.

108 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:33:49pm

re: #93 HelloDare

Like I said, if it was posted already, my apology.

Just got back in with the kids from Kung Fu Panda. They had a ball.

This has me steamed. More than steamed.

What an arrogant cocksucker, standing behind his own modified version of the presidential seal he has not even earned yet.

That son of a bitch.

109 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:34:11pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

That seal pisses me off. He's counting his eggs before they're hatched.

110 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:34:29pm

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

That always cheers me up. Thanks.

111 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:34:59pm

re: #96 Ringo the Gringo

Wow, that's amazing. A couple times, a part of my brain knew I was seeing something before it came into my visual consciousness. Hard to explain.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:35:06pm

re: #100 Purple Prose

Iran's got Pakistan's "technology" thanks to Khan, who himself got Pakistan's nukes by stealing the technology from others. Pakistan is the most hopeless of all Muslim nations. It has no culture of its own. It is not Arab or Persian. It was purely colonized and defeated by Islam, and its national identity is just the western Muslim portion of old British India. It can't even keep order in its own country, unlike Iran or the Arab nations. It's a basket case.

Plus, Obama has blown kisses toward Iran and Arab nations but has threatened to go into Pakistan's Pashtun's areas with or without Pakistan's blessing. Pakistan may be the only Muslim nation, besides Iraq for different reasons, where Obama is not loved.

I could do a rollicking parody of Buchanan right now if I just had the energy.

113 Timbre  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:35:22pm

A priest, a rabbi, and an imam walked into a microscopic black hole...

114 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:35:59pm

Obama is suffering from premature inauguration.

115 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:36:42pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

That always cheers me up. Thanks.

One of my favorite YouTube videos!

116 Racer X  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:37:09pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Robert Orr looks like a professor at Hogwort's.

LOL!

I am watching now. Fascinating.

117 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:37:11pm

re: #106 shibumi

I guess this hits me in the same way I would consider someone wearing ribbons, medals, etc. in the military that they never earned for starters.

Pure arrogance.

I know I fixate on some obscure shit here at times, but this just has me fuming.

What a bastard.

118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:37:13pm

re: #113 Timbre

A priest, a rabbi, and an imam walked into a microscopic black hole...

And the imam declared it the 54000456785th hole-iest site in Islam

119 snowcrash  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:37:22pm

re: #105 Ringo the Gringo
Didn't some Carnegie Mellon researchers use LGF for some whole language research not too long ago? I remember a thread, maybe.

120 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #113 Timbre

A priest, a rabbi, and an imam walked into a microscopic black hole...

You gotta do that with a Jackie Mason accent.

121 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:38:13pm

re: #119 snowcrash

Didn't some Carnegie Mellon researchers use LGF for some whole language research not too long ago? I remember a thread, maybe.

That spinster woman?

/ducking

122 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:38:33pm

re: #116 Racer X

It's a little technical but there's some funny stuff there too. "Here's an engineer praying that he's hooked it up correctly"

123 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:39:49pm
124 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:40:12pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My theory on that.

The Mayans said fuck it, we're not carving anymore stones. If we get that far ahead, we'll make some more.

LOL!

"And fuck this human sacrifice shit!"

125 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the imam declared it the 54000456785th hole-iest site in Islam

Bee-ay-yoo-ti-ful!

126 ypnxjkb  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:41:20pm

Who cares, didn't you know we are all going to die in 2012 anyway.
so drive fast, smoke often and screw everyone.

127 ted  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:41:39pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Oh, thank you. Thank you veryfuckingmuch.

Jeez Mandy, don't get your knickers all twisted up in a knot.
:>)

128 Racer X  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:42:26pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

It's a little technical but there's some funny stuff there too. "Here's an engineer praying that he's hooked it up correctly"

He is doing a great job of keeping it "real". Not stuffy or boring at all.

129 zmdavid  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:43:11pm

Parent accused of abuse because of psychic reading:
[Link: junkfoodscience.blogspot.com...]

130 Purple Prose  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:46:30pm

Obama is a clear and present danger to the security of the US. It's not that he is a Muslim or any such other nonsense. He is most likely an agnostic with no more vision than a desire for power. His association with Wright and Wright's church was a political calculation, and he probably had a filial attachment to Wright, since he never had a father figure in his life anyway.

The problem is that Obama would be a weak vacillator in a time when Islamists think that they finally after 1,400 years of jihad see the final annihilation of the West at hand. They are wrong, but the emboldening they will feel with a weak US president when they feel like they are in the ascendent will lead to many, many deaths. All the work done to push back Islamic jihad could evaporate and we'd be back to square one. Just as they were planning 9/11 during Clinton's term, an Obama presidency would be a gift of hudna to jihadis who would plan and lay the logistical groundwork for another 9/11. That could come after his presidency or during it, but there is little doubt that an Obama presidency would make it much, much easier for the jihadis.

And what of the cultural jihadis? If you think CAIR is brazen now, just wait until they get the Obama green light. You ain't seen nothing yet. We'll see cultural and legal advances toward jihad that make what we've seen in the last few years seem like child's play, while at the same time traditional boom boom jihadis will be emboldened and be under far less pressure.

131 HelloDare  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:47:19pm

re: #123 MandyManners

'Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away.

Did you see the video to the right. John McCain is Dr. Strangelove. Cute.

132 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:48:08pm

re: #94 rawmuse

Look at it this way, if they did create atomic doomsday, our problems are all over. Run toward the light, grasshopper.

Well, as Dr. Who showed tonight, run away from the shadows.
No, not shadows of Vorlons, those are OK. (Different SF show reference)

133 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:48:29pm

re: #95 AZfederalist

That, and we shut down our contribution being built in Texas when it went over budget. Anybody remember the superconducting supercollider? Congress killed it when it went over its budget. Overspending on welfare programs and fraud? That's OK. Overspent on science and basic research (or a defense program for that matter)? Off with their heads!

Yeah, we're still pissed about that down here.

134 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:48:36pm

"We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution."

- BHO

Oh OK...it was BH (Bill Hicks)

135 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:49:15pm

re: #95 AZfederalist

That, and we shut down our contribution being built in Texas when it went over budget. Anybody remember the superconducting supercollider? Congress killed it when it went over its budget. Overspending on welfare programs and fraud? That's OK. Overspent on science and basic research (or a defense program for that matter)? Off with their heads!

What was worse, was that Japan initially wanted in on the project, but Congress refused. Then when it went over budget, they asked Japan, and they were upset at our earlier refusal.

136 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:49:53pm

re: #84 formercorpsman

OT: If anyone posted this already, I'm sorry.

This pisses me way off.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Sorry to go OT here, but seriously, why does every piece of "art" surrounding the Obama campaign have a Soviet flair to it? I mean, they aren't even trying to hide it.

Am I the only one who has noticed this?

137 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:50:57pm

re: #136 BGOH

Stanley Anne.

138 Dianna  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:51:29pm

re: #129 zmdavid

Great. It's whack-a-mole time, again.

139 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:51:38pm

I'm out guys, have a good night.

140 Reno911  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:52:05pm

re: #136 BGOH

It's the same reason BHO's propaganda is so sophisticated...

BHO has real live communists working for him.

141 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:52:41pm

OT - My wife was just looking for an exercise video and she came across this: Exercising with poodles

This is what will happen if the fabric of the universe is torn.

142 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:53:00pm

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

Yep, I'm from there before we got moved to Tucson. Knew several people laid off after that fiasco.

143 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:53:12pm

re: #137 formercorpsman

Stanley Anne.

Umm...gotta admit I'm missing this one.

144 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:54:41pm

I remember seeing a documentary on the making of the first atomic bomb at Los Alamos. Some of the top scientists were not sure if it would actually work, and some even feared there was a chance it would set off a global disaster by igniting the earth's atmosphere in some sort of chain reaction.

On 7-16-1945 the first test was successful, but they were also surprised by the yield, far larger than they had figured on

.

145 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:55:57pm

re: #136 BGOH

Sorry to go OT here, but seriously, why does every piece of "art" surrounding the Obama campaign have a Soviet flair to it? I mean, they aren't even trying to hide it.

Am I the only one who has noticed this?

I've noticed it, too, and so have other lizards.
Change = Revolution.

146 BGOH  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 8:59:26pm

re: #145 Kosh's Shadow

I've noticed it, too, and so have other lizards.
Change = Revolution.

Seriously. If you look at those two seals side by side, the BHO "seal" has a decidedly stark, angular design structure that I would readily identify with either fascist, or Soviet design. That isn't even to mention all of the cheap, silly two-tone prints of Obama looking skyward.

When do we see images of a smiling Barack toiling in the fields with a sickle and hammer? Is that being reserved for October?

147 pat  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:00:34pm

re: #144 Yankee Division Son

Fermi thought it might ignite the Earth. Had mathematics that showed it. (Global Warming)

148 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:01:25pm

re: #144 Yankee Division Son

I read that Enrico Fermi ripped up some shreds of paper and dropped them after they saw the bomb explode in the distance measured how far the bits of paper blew and then used that to figure out how powerful the blast was and his estimate was later proved to be quite accurate.

I hope we still have scientists on our side that smart.

149 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:02:31pm

re: #145 Kosh's Shadow

Not to go too off the deep end here, but the Germans during the 30's had a slogan also, "We must change"

Obama ain't that original, is he?

150 transient  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:06:19pm

Is there any way to make a very small black hole over, say, Teheran? Natanz?

151 So?  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:12:57pm

Don't place too much faith in science my friends.

152 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:15:40pm

re: #147 pat

re: #148 Mich-again


"Finally, on July 16, 1945, at 5:30 a.m., an incredible burst of light exploded over the desert in south central New Mexico. Trinity, as the test shot was known, answered many of the questions the scientists had been asking. The bomb’s yield, equivalent of 18,000 tons of TNT, astounded even the scientists who had spent years making painstaking calculations..."

I should search for some Fermi quotes.. interesting stuff.

153 justadot  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:17:13pm

re: #95 AZfederalist

Overspending on welfare programs and fraud? That's OK. Overspent on science and basic research (or a defense program for that matter)? Off with their heads!

…and I expect it to be exponentially worse if Obama is elected. His ideas for NASA already scare the hell out of me. I hope that projects like GLAST, etc. won't fall by the wayside. Lean years are ahead for science under an Obama administration.

154 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:18:46pm

Shame on you people! Shame, do you hear? Over 150 comments on the subject of "will this giant particle accelerator blow up the world", and not a single Ghostbusters quote?

Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad"?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

155 Charles  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:19:14pm

re: #151 So?

Don't place too much faith in science my friends.

That way lies madness.

And computers. And cable TV. And cell phones. And microwave ovens. And air conditioners.

Wouldn't want those things around.

156 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:24:15pm

re: #152 Yankee Division Son

From Wikipedia...

Fermi was present as an observer of the Trinity test on July 16, 1945. Engineer Jack Aeby saw Fermi at work:
“As the shock wave hit Base Camp, Aeby saw Enrico Fermi with a handful of torn paper. "He was dribbling it in the air. When the shock wave came it moved the confetti. He thought for a moment."

Fermi had just estimated the yield of the first nuclear explosion. It was in the ball park.[12]"


Fermi's strips-of paper estimate was ten kilotons of TNT; the actual yield was about 19 kilotons[13][14]

Not a bad estimate actually. Amazing even.

157 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #155 Charles

He can't be serious about that remark. The / key on the keyboard must be missing. /

158 Summer  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:28:31pm

I was just posting about this topic 2 days ago, alleviating everyone's fears.

I beat CERN to it. Pretty good, right?

Right?

159 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:34:37pm

re: #156 Mich-again

Have to agree, although almost twice the expected yield makes me think of a scene in the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid when they blew up the entire train car trying to blow just a safe inside.

"Think ya used enough dynamite there Butch?"

160 cicero05  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:36:13pm

This is great. Ever since I described the Large Hadron Collider to my daughter, she's been freaked out about the possibility that it will create a black hole that will swallow the solar system.

I told her that the scientists are "pretty sure" that it won't happen.

Heh.

161 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:42:49pm

re: #159 Yankee Division Son

Being off by a factor of 1.8 is a good estimate in the engineering world. We're usually satisfied to be within an order of magnitude. Now when estimating how many labor hours it will take skilled trades to finish a job I usually use the "double and zero" methodology. I first estimate how many man-hours it should take, and then double it and add a zero.

Can I patent that?

162 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:49:06pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Can I patent that?

You could have, but now that you've made it public... not so much.

163 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:54:10pm

re: #157 Mich-again

Boss digs science.

164 So?  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 9:55:29pm

re: #155 Charles

That way lies madness.

And computers. And cable TV. And cell phones. And microwave ovens. And air conditioners.

Wouldn't want those things around.

For every good thing science brings us, it also brings the opposite.
Sure every item you mentioned is good, but it has also created evil.


computers good = identity theft bad
cable TV good = obesity & mind numbing 6 hr. per day addiction bad
microwave ovens quick & easy food = break down of nutritional content of food as molecular structure is changed bad
cell phones good = brain tumors not so good
air conditioners , well where you live Charles all good.

The point is we are ultimately responsible for for the products we produce and consume. Unfortunately, consumption has speeded up without questioning that perhaps, just perhaps, gadget X mayhave some significant drawbacks down the line. No, I'm not against progress, nor am I advocating death to science, I am hoping that companies become more responsible companies for the products and science they produce.

Get back to me in 15 years on cell phones.

The Cern experiment go ahead without a hitch and will advance our knowledge of the universe and life itself.
But just today, an anti-smoking drug prescribed to over 750,000 people was pulled as it was found to cause aggressive and psychotic behavior. Science is not a panacea with forethought. That's what I was implying.

165 spidly  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:07:03pm

Obama speaking of hard work and personal responsibility is surely wearing the fabric thin.

166 desertdweller  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:07:33pm

FINALLY!

A new conspiracy for the Troofers, EnvironMENTALists and Paulbots to chase after.

167 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:12:53pm

re: #161 Mich-again

I've always used the approach that you take the estimate, double it, then convert it to the next highest unit. Thus a 1 day estimate is doubled to 2 and converted to weeks for a realistic estimate of 2 weeks.

/Unfortunately, it's usually not too far off

168 too-old to-???  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:14:40pm

re: #63 AZfederalist

That sounds like "Thrice upon a time", by P. James Hogan.

There was another one I remember reading, I believe it was titled "Earth", but it didn't have any time machine in it. Just some aliens trying to destroy the Earth using microscopic black holes, and other aliens trying to save the Earth, with out being noticed.

169 desertdweller  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:18:21pm

re: #167 AZfederalist

Just use Pi.

170 hillbilly geek  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:23:09pm

Seen on a t-shirt at CERN:
I'm a nuclear scientist. If you see me running, try to keep up.

171 hillbilly geek  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:39:04pm

How about:
Does this place really suck, or is it just me?

Thank you! I'll be here all night! I really crack me up!

• crickets •

172 hillbilly geek  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 10:42:28pm

Hey!

........hey!


Where did everybody go?


.......go


....go


..go

173 AZfederalist  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 11:08:07pm

re: #168 too-old to-?

That sounds like "Thrice upon a time", by P. James Hogan.
.

That was it

174 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 11:08:28pm
175 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 11:13:38pm
176 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 11:35:00pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

The only disaster here is that we didn't build it, the Euros did. Good for them.

Here's what happened to our program.

177 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jun 20, 2008 11:36:23pm

re: #174 ploome hineni

I'm baaaaaaaaaaack

one reason I like it here( at LGF), is that there are fewer wackos posting here than at other sites

Ever notice that there's a wacko posting at every site you go to?

Heh.

178 Psaturn  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 12:00:05am

re: #174 ploome hineni

I'm baaaaaaaaaaack

one reason I like it here( at LGF), is that there are fewer wackos posting here than at other sites

Ploomie...I think you chased them out...

What was the name of that Bosnian or Albanian chick who was Jewish and atheist and several of you had arguments with her?

179 kyleb  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 12:11:20am

Earth's epitaph:
They forgot to carry the two.

180 The Dajjal  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 4:46:46am

In the movie "The Mist", scientists accidentally tore a hole in the fabric of the universe and this strange thick fog poured through the hole and within days had swept over the entire planet.

What people encountered in the fog was the essence of the movie.

Good flick if you haven't seen it. Be advised, the ending really screws with your head.

181 big L  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 7:12:00am

So who is adjacent tothe Hadron if there is a black hole?
France? Switzerland?
/ah well...

182 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 7:16:47am

re: #57 shibumi

For clarification, I was being facetious.

I think that was clear from the start for anyone who's read the (excellent!) book, as I assume your down-dingers had not.

Would make a great movie, too, a tv mini-series. OK, it's not SpiderMan, nor even Dune, but would be a nice adult flick and thought-provoking, as Hollywood has pretty much forgotten how to do.

183 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 7:19:13am

re: #179 kyleb

Earth's epitaph:
They forgot to carry the two.

I thought it was, "If you can't take an interest in your own fate, don't complain now!" just before the Vogons blow the place up to make way for an intergalactic bypass. On second thought, if we can hijack the hitchhike, I think we can use:
Mostly Harmless.

184 iurockhead  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 7:32:51am

Hmmmm. The CERN accelerator is slated to be used to confirm the work done by Henrick Svensmark, demonstrating the mechanism by which the sun controls our climate. Upshot: more cosmic rays = more low clouds = cooling climate. Fewer cosmic rays = fewer clouds = warming climate. Once finally established, this work will show that all the warming of the last 150 years, and the recent cooling, are due to magnetic activity of the son. So what's my point?

Those pushing the lawsuit and trying to stop the CERN project might be more concerned about preserving the integrity of the global warming alarmists, rather than worrying about the world blowing up. It would be consistent with their tactics so far, suppress anything that hurts their cause.

So, who is behind the opposition to this project? Some digging is in order.

185 iurockhead  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 7:34:18am

Oops.

magnetic activity of the son sun

186 Smilin' Jack  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 8:23:26am

Oh, goody! A new crisis on which to blow taxpayer money and impoverish everyone but us! Let's get started immediately.

Who's gonna do the Environmental Impact Study? Better start computing the projected Carbon Footprint. Someone contact the unions and figure out what trades we'll need, any specialized qualifications, and the wage premium they'll need to actually do some work. Better start a set-aside fund for bribing the heads of any third world nations that become involved. When do we start pouring concrete? Better contact that concrete testing firm in NYC, the one with the reputation. Oh, and Lawyers! We'll need lots of Lawyers!

C'mon, folks. Do something? With the leadership we've got, that would only magnify the havoc this thing causes. It would be better to just let it hit.
SJ

187 Smilin' Jack  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 8:34:59am

Oops! Thought this was the Apophis thread. Well we'll see how the CERN thing goes. If we all disappear into a subatomic black hole, we'll know the Environmental Impact Study was incomplete....and that the Muslims, at their worst, are no match for Western ingenuity at its best.
SJ

188 indythinker  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 8:47:05am

For those of you keeping score at home:

Evolution: trust science

Global warming: don't trust science

Mini-black holes: trust science

Barack Obama: don't trust scientists, who overall support him


Got it.

189 kirche  Sat, Jun 21, 2008 11:26:29am

if these scientists are wrong and they do create a little black hole that begins to consume the earth, they could win the nobel peace prize (hastily awarded) for finally solving the middle east problem once and for all...

190 Abu Kuffar  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 8:09:36am

re: #62 HelloDare

Big disappointment. The robot spent all day masturbating.


LOL!


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