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Cranky DB Server Open Thread

Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:45:14 pm PDT

Our database server has been a bit cranky this afternoon; here’s an open thread while we continue sorting things out...

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1 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:45:57pm

Bad DB Server! Bad!

2 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:45:58pm
3 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:46:21pm

re: #1 Iron Fist

Bad DB Server! Bad!

I'm not leaving a tip.

4 Mardukhai  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:46:35pm

Whew. I was going through serious LGF withdrawal.

5 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:46:53pm

This too, shall pass.

6 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:46:53pm
7 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:47:46pm

I like open threads.

8 Mardukhai  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:47:50pm

Perhaps hamsters aren't the way to power a server. Perhaps ferrets, or frisky kittens.

9 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:48:00pm

Sorry to hear there are problems. I just about went into convulsions when I couldn't access the site for 15 minutes. :D

10 vxbush  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:48:12pm

Aaaaaaah. Much better.

11 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:48:25pm

We're BAAAAAAACK.

12 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:48:35pm

I had a cranky Chili's server once.

13 bosforus  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:49:01pm

the hamsters have unionized?

14 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:49:04pm

I thought the hamsters were getting groomed while Charles got a haircut.

15 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:49:07pm

re: #8 Mardukhai

Too much mischief. Besides, can you imagine when the kittens decided it was time to sleep? No warning, just a sudden crash.

16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:49:18pm
17 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:49:25pm

Remember, lizards.

In case of emergency, click here.

18 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:50:08pm

Maybe we need to tip the server more?

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:50:30pm
20 faraway  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:50:36pm

Updated for the Obama seal clubbing:
Don Obama clubs a seal in Chicago

21 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:50:47pm

We can all share our strategies for coping without LGF!

I tried doing some 'work', and while the time didn't exactly fly by, eventually LGF was back, and I could put that behind me!
/
In all seriousness, I found out that both my boss and our supervisor were laid off today. Gonna be time to update the ol' resume tonight, that's for sure.

22 Stinky Beaumont[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:50:48pm
23 littleoldlady  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:51:17pm

WHEW!

24 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:51:59pm

re: #22 Stinky Beaumont

Just a quick test here...

Reading you five by five, Mr. Beaumont.

25 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:52:44pm

Whew, I was starting to show withdrawal symptoms there.

26 Nemo  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:52:54pm

MYSql is a very good dbms; ever give postgresql a try though? Both are great for the price but considering the traffic and data served up from your site, I wonder how performance would compare? From what I understand, Postgresql handles concurrency better. But I am unfamiliar with PHP support with it. For what that is worth. :)

27 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:53:00pm

re: #21 nikis-knight
Yes, unfortunately when mgmt goes- staff are often next. Not always, but...

28 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #26 Nemo

MYSql is a very good dbms; ever give postgresql a try though? Both are great for the price but considering the traffic and data served up from your site, I wonder how performance would compare? From what I understand, Postgresql handles concurrency better. But I am unfamiliar with PHP support with it. For what that is worth. :)


What? EOM

29 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:54:11pm

That didn't last long.

While we don't have full details, someone at Obama's press center, when asked if the seal would be used going forward said simply, "No."

30 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:54:22pm

Uh, oh, I quoted a deleted post!

31 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:55:34pm

re: #30 Dar ul Harb

You're f*cked now.

32 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:55:46pm

It had to be said!

33 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:56:23pm

re: #29 razorbacker

That didn't last long.

I saw this!

Obama dumpa da possumus.

34 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:56:30pm

What did I miss?! What got deleted?

35 BGOH  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:56:39pm

Man I'm starting to rely on this place too much...

36 Stinky Beaumont[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:57:02pm
37 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:57:06pm

Whew...I thought you'd never be back..
Look Basketball season is over.. I need you!
Don't let that server crash again!
/The hoopster pacing back and forth eyeing another bottle of Merlot..should I or shouldn't I...?
If I do..i'm blaming you.

38 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:57:35pm

Whew, finally back up.

Those hamsters don't realize the power they hold in their little furry feet.

Thank goodness though, I had to resort to reading the DKos to pass the time.

Oh for what it's worth, Kos is going to be on Olbermann tonight.

Talk about adding insult to injury ...

39 Roentgen  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:58:04pm

re: #36 Stinky Beaumont

That monkey wrench gives me the creeps.

40 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:58:06pm

re: #36 Stinky Beaumont

Love the avatar. Is that the banning stick or the server repair tool?

41 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:58:11pm

Somebody's a sloooooooow learner.

42 BGOH  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:58:19pm

re: #38 turn

Whew, finally back up.

Those hamsters don't realize the power they hold in their little furry feet.

Thank goodness though, I had to resort to reading the DKos to pass the time.

Oh for what it's worth, Kos is going to be on Olbermann tonight.

Talk about adding insult to injury ...

Oh thank god. I thought I was the only one who did that.

It has not been a pleasant afternoon...

43 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:59:02pm

re: #29 razorbacker

I'm glad it's gone. But it should never have been used at all!

44 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:59:02pm

re: #34 theparson

What did I miss?! What got deleted?

The database hamsters got too close to Obama's ego and were crushed by tidal forces.

45 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:59:41pm

re: #42 BGOH

Yeah, got to keep an eye on the dark side once in a while.

46 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 1:59:42pm

Stinky deleted himself?

47 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:00:06pm

re: #44 Dar ul Harb

Unh uh! You stay away from me. You're the reposter.

48 Stinky Beaumont  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:00:16pm

Workin in a coal mine, goin down down down...

49 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:00:21pm

re: #23 littleoldlady

WHEW!

Indeed! :)

50 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:00:40pm

These aren't the hamsters that I once knew.

51 bosforus  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:00:53pm

re: #33 OldLineTexan

I saw this!

Obama dumpa da possumus.

All possums eventually end up under a bus.

52 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:01:05pm

re: #46 The Other Les

Stinky deleted himself?

Inverse exhibitionist.

53 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:01:11pm

re: #39 Roentgen

That monkey wrench gives me the creeps.

That is a pipe wrench.

54 BGOH  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:01:15pm

re: #45 turn

Yeah, got to keep an eye on the dark side once in a while.

Agreed, but I'm trying to quit drinking. Those little excursions certainly don't help.

55 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:01:31pm

re: #1 Iron Fist

Bad DB Server! Bad!

No treat for it!

56 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:01:43pm

re: #44 Dar ul Harb

The database hamsters got too close to Obama's ego and were crushed by tidal forces.

Of course Obama appears to be as mentally dense as a neutron star...

57 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:02:32pm

What was Kate Moss thinking?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

58 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:02:37pm

re: #54 BGOH

Agreed, but I'm trying to quit drinking. Those little excursions certainly don't help.

Drink! oh wait ...

59 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:02:38pm

I'm pretty sure that he's kidding. But I don't speak for Frank.

My Vision for America
Posted by Frank J. at 11:10 AM

I'm afraid conservatives aren't very engaged in politics right now as it doesn't look like we'll have any candidates to fight for in the near future. Still, we need to have our own vision for the future to continue to work towards. With all the second guessing about Iraq, it's starting to look like we'll never be able to assert ourselves confidentially overseas again. That won't do. I envision and continue to envision an America that knows to do what is right and doesn't care about popularity on the world stage. In short, I envision an America that's confident enough in itself to be an asshole.

MY VISION FOR AMERICA

I want an America with foreign policy like the Incredible Hulk: You make us angry, we smash the crap out of everything.

I want an America that will take a crap on some other nation's lawn, and then that nation will thank us just for acknowledging their existence.

I want an America that causes contiguous countries to build their own walls on our border in a vain attempt to protect themselves.

I want an America that will invite itself into other nation's houses, drink all their beer, piss on their furniture, and the only thing we worry about afterwards is where to get more booze.

I want an America that's always looking for cool new things to nuke.

I want an America that declares war on Saturn and bullies all the other nations into joining us on the declaration.

I want an America that shows up drunk and looking for a fight to every U.N. meeting.

I want an America that invades the next Islamic country that pisses us off and then forcefully converts everyone there to Wiccan just because we think that would be funny.

I want an America that is all for passing tons of international laws and regulations with the running assumption that none of them, of course, applies to us.

I want an America that other nations are less concerned about receiving foreign aid from than not receiving our foreign detriment.

I want an America that surprises other countries by busting right through the wall yelling, "Oh yeah!" just like the Kool-Aid guy.

I want an America that announces there should only be six continents and it has a sentimental attachment to Antarctica.

I want an America that causes other countries to pay Rand McNally to get themselves delisted.

60 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:02:49pm

It's not the one with the nipples.

61 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:02:59pm

re: #53 GeeWiz

That is a pipe wrench.

Shoot. And here I am needing to loosen up a monkey. Guess I'll go get my toolbox.

62 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:03:00pm

Main page is still down, but was able to get in thru Fallback.

Of course I see this right after I post there.

63 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:03:14pm

re: #56 The Other Les

Of course Obama appears to be as mentally dense as a neutron star...

Well, it would be impolitic to refer to him as an African-American Hole.

64 Render  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:03:51pm

Charles and Stinky have been whacking each other for days now.

I dig in deeper when the nukes start flying.

MASSIVE
OVERKILL,
R

65 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:04:18pm

Well we're up. And I was actually getting some work done. /Gotta stop doing that...

66 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:04:38pm

re: #59 razorbacker

I want an America that will take a crap on some other nation's lawn, and then that nation will thank us just for acknowledging their existence.

67 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:05:16pm

re: #57 MandyManners

What was Kate Moss thinking?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Channeling MM's .... who gives a shit!

/

68 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:05:31pm

re: #57 MandyManners

What was Kate Moss thinking?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Lordy. K. Richards lives and Carlin is dead.
K. Richards looks like he died in May.

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:16pm
70 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:33pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Lordy. K. Richards lives and Carlin is dead.
K. Richards looks like he died in May.

1978.

71 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:38pm

re: #59 razorbacker

Actually converting everyone in Pukistan to Wicca would be a step up.

72 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:41pm

re: #66 MandyManners

I want an America that will take a crap on some other nation's lawn, and then that nation will thank us just for acknowledging their existence.

A little harsh, but I'm down with it.

73 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:52pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

chaaaa ching!

74 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:06:56pm

Though the "O" does look like a cipher.

75 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:07:21pm

re: #5 rawmuse

This too, shall pass.

I said that about my brother's kidney stone. He didn't find it funny.

76 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:07:52pm

Charles - When you get the chance, please check your DNS. It seems as if the Ads from vizu.com and other places are slowing down the hamsters.

77 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:08:42pm

I knew someone who worked in ammunition storage at Fort Benning who thought George Carlin had already died in 1985.

78 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:08:52pm

re: #60 MandyManners

It's not the one with the nipples.

DAMN!

79 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:09:02pm

re: #59 razorbacker

I'm pretty sure that he's kidding. But I don't speak for Frank.

Now that's funny right there.

80 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:09:17pm

re: #67 turn


She needs a clue-by-four upside her head.

81 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Lordy. K. Richards lives and Carlin is dead.
K. Richards looks like he died in May.

He forgot to iron his face.

82 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:09:44pm

re: #75 Hard Right

I said that about my brother's kidney stone. He didn't find it funny.

Nothing funny about kidney stones. They're proof that Stan exists.

83 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:10:23pm

re: #82 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I hate that freakin Stan!

84 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:10:24pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I'm surprised she showed up at all. Everyone knows a Rolling Stone gathers no Moss.

ROFLMAO!

If we could get you in front of a mic, you'd be the next Carlin.

85 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:11:11pm

re: #72 GeeWiz

A little harsh, but I'm down with it.

I want an America that will invite itself into other nation's houses, drink all their beer, piss on their furniture, and the only thing we worry about afterwards is where to get more booze.

86 Venezuela lover  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:11:53pm

I was having withdrawal symptoms while the server was down. I actually had to look elsewhere for the news.
It is Charles Johnson appreciation time again.

87 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:12:06pm

re: #78 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

DAMN!

Someone photoshopped Jerry Hall's legs.

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:12:38pm
89 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:13:00pm

I want an America that shows up drunk and looking for a fight to every U.N. meeting.

90 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:13:30pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

BIG PHOTOSHOP IS RIPPING US OFF!

Wood's daughter is a cutie.

91 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:14:07pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Lordy. K. Richards lives and Carlin is dead.
K. Richards looks like he died in May.

May...1996

92 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:14:16pm

I want the kind of America where everyone holds hands and drinks a Coke together, where little cartoon bluebirds sing sweetly and land on your shoulder, where Tom catches Jerry and gives him a big kiss and a hug!

93 Atweber  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:14:45pm

Braaaack---sounds a bit bodily functiony

94 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:15:11pm

re: #82 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Nothing funny about kidney stones. They're proof that Stan exists.

So I hear...and fear. I don't want kidney stones.

95 Shug  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:15:46pm

Did you hear the server is young.
It's inexperienced.
It has a funny name
It's black.

It has a fiesty hard drive

96 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:16:19pm
97 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:16:58pm

re: #57 MandyManners

What was Kate Moss thinking?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Aren't there any laws in Britain prohibiting the desecration of a corpse?

I'm pretty sure that Ron Woods is dead, and you'll never convince me that Keith Richards is alive. I mean, Patti's obviously got her hand up his behind working him like a ventriloquist's dummy. Look at the pictures for Pete's sake.

98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:13pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

Kid Kneestones was a pretty good welterweight in his day.

You're thinking of Kid Minneapolis, out of Philadelphia.

99 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:19pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

Kid Kneestones was a pretty good welterweight in his day.

Dropped many a man I hear.
(arrrrrrg)

100 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:20pm

re: #40 GeeWiz

Love the avatar. Is that the banning stick or the server repair tool?

Both. ;-)

101 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:23pm

re: #38 turn

Whew, finally back up.

Those hamsters don't realize the power they hold in their little furry feet.

Thank goodness though, I had to resort to reading the DKos to pass the time.

Oh for what it's worth, Kos is going to be on Olbermann tonight.

Talk about adding insult to injury stupidity ...

Fixed it

102 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:24pm

re: #92 theparson

I want the kind of America where everyone holds hands and drinks a Coke together, where little cartoon bluebirds sing sweetly and land on your shoulder, where Tom catches Jerry and gives him a big kiss and a hug!

I want an America that causes other countries to pay Rand McNally to get themselves delisted.

103 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:29pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I want an America that shows up drunk and looking for a fight to every U.N. meeting.

That was me in 2001.

104 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:31pm

re: #92 theparson

I want the kind of America where everyone holds hands and drinks a Coke together, where little cartoon bluebirds sing sweetly and land on your shoulder, where Tom catches Jerry and gives him a big kiss and a hug!

We tried that back in the '70's, and it was quickly followed by the Iran hostage crisis.

105 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:17:48pm

re: #98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You're thinking of Kid Minneapolis, out of Philadelphia.


+1 for the Naked Gun ref!

106 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:18:27pm

re: #97 razorbacker

Aren't there any laws in Britain prohibiting the desecration of a corpse?

I'm pretty sure that Ron Woods is dead, and you'll never convince me that Keith Richards is alive. I mean, Patti's obviously got her hand up his behind working him like a ventriloquist's dummy. Look at the pictures for Pete's sake.

What's up with that ratty bandana?! I know he can afford to have the suit pressed.

107 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:19:25pm

re: #106 MandyManners

What's up with that ratty bandana?! I know he can afford to have the suit pressed.

Keeps the head attatched to the body.

108 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:20:28pm

re: #38 turn

Whew, finally back up.

Those hamsters don't realize the power they hold in their little furry feet.

Thank goodness though, I had to resort to reading the DKos to pass the time.

Oh for what it's worth, Kos is going to be on Olbermann tonight.

Talk about adding insult to injury ...

How can any building contain that much flaming ignorance?

109 loflyer  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:20:44pm

Afternoon guys, I had jury duty today, boring, but it was interesting to note all the trial cases ended up pleading guilty to lesser charges than going to trial. We had no lunch but they let us go at 13:30, could have been worse by a long shot...

110 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:21:11pm

re: #108 MandyManners

How can any building contain that much flaming ignorance?

re: #108 MandyManners

How can any building contain that much flaming ignorance?

Moonbat China syndrome?

111 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:21:18pm

re: #107 Hard Right

Keeps the head attatched to the body.

I wonder how much money he's spent on drugs in his life.

112 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:22:10pm

re: #110 Hard Right

Moonbat China syndrome?

Won't viewers glow?

113 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:22:28pm

re: #111 MandyManners

I wonder how much money he's spent on drugs in his life.

More than the GDP of some countries I would imagine.

114 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:22:48pm

re: #111 MandyManners

I wonder how much money he's spent on drugs in his life.

LOL. So does he.
You'd think he would have stopped when he realized he snorted his dad's ashes.
After Iran nukes evrything it will cockroaches and K Richards left.

115 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:22:58pm

re: #111 MandyManners

I wonder how much money he's spent on drugs in his life.

I suspect enough to finance my retirement and then some!

116 Roentgen  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:16pm

re: #53 GeeWiz

You have no idea how embarrassing that was for me. I'm going to go out and pound some nails, hoping I start to feel better about myself.

117 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:20pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Won't viewers glow?

Nope. They're too dull (rimshot) Sorry.

118 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:21pm

re: #113 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

More than the GDP of some countries I would imagine.

I wouldn't doubt it. I wonder if he's still doing any.

119 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:40pm

re: #108 MandyManners

How can any building contain that much flaming ignorance?

I'm really going to have to take a peek tonight, hell I can't understand a single thing Olbermann says. I just need to verify Kos is in the same groove and see how they play off one another.

120 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:47pm

re: #85 MandyManners

I want an America that will invite itself into other nation's houses, drink all their beer, piss on their furniture, and the only thing we worry about afterwards is where to get more booze.

Can we start with the French? We'll be nice and drink their Armagnac, Cognac and Bordeaux before switching to beer. (Ow. My head's throbbing.)

While I appreciate good diplomacy and good toiletpaper, sometimes you need to fall back on the Greco-Roman roots of civilization: "Might makes right."

I keep expecting to wake up and find that the US has decided to redo our Flag in pastels...

121 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:23:50pm

re: #114 Hard Right

LOL. So does he.
You'd think he would have stopped when he realized he snorted his dad's ashes.
After Iran nukes evrything it will cockroaches and K Richards left.

Didn't he say it was a joke?

122 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:24:10pm

re: #109 loflyer

Afternoon guys, I had jury duty today, boring, but it was interesting to note all the trial cases ended up pleading guilty to lesser charges than going to trial. We had no lunch but they let us go at 13:30, could have been worse by a long shot...

I've never been called for jury duty. Was it interesting?

123 redheadredstate  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:24:27pm

I was experiencing blog withdrawl so I went to Powerline, Michelle Malkin, Hugh Hewitt. They're good but LGF is better. They don't have the pithy comments over there the way we do here. I love pithy.

124 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:24:31pm

Wow, I got tons of work done this afternoon. I wonder why?

/

Anyway, via NRO's The Corner, here are The World's 5 Strangest Holidays.

I think we should raise money to send Iron Fist (and a cameraperson) to next year's Tinku Festival in Bolivia.

125 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:24:33pm

re: #115 GeeWiz

I suspect enough to finance my retirement and then some!

Isn't there a country that has banned him?

126 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:24:58pm

re: #122 angst

I've never been called for jury duty. Was it interesting?

I know you said it was boring, but wondered if the cases had any potential.

127 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:25:02pm

re: #117 Hard Right

Nope. They're too dull (rimshot) Sorry.

LOL!

128 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:25:45pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Didn't he say it was a joke?

After he caught a lot of flak, yes.
Then again, he may actually have thought he did. The man is living proof of zobies existing.

129 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:26:04pm

re: #119 turn

I'm really going to have to take a peek tonight, hell I can't understand a single thing Olbermann says. I just need to verify Kos is in the same groove and see how they play off one another.

Will they tingle for each other?

130 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:26:07pm
131 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:26:12pm

re: #123 redheadredstate

I was experiencing blog withdrawl so I went to Powerline, Michelle Malkin, Hugh Hewitt. They're good but LGF is better. They don't have the pithy comments over there the way we do here. I love pithy.

Tim Blair, Sweetness-light always act as methadone to LGF's crank....

132 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:26:16pm

re: #116 Roentgen

LOL! Common mistake. Don't be so hard (as nails) on yourself. One of many tools of my trade, my reason for knowing the difference.

133 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:26:17pm

re: #128 Hard Right

After he caught a lot of flak, yes.
Then again, he may actually have thought he did. The man is living proof of zobies existing.

Zobies?

134 theparson  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:01pm

I hate Zobies!

135 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:06pm

re: #130 taxfreekiller

So, mad enough yet?

need more?

[Link: www.DiarioLibre.com...]
June 19,

MCCain promete reforma migratioria

ya, Juan goes to them in Spanish

"I will work for "immigration reform" aka amnesty my first day in office

translate that

have sent this to
realwest for translation

And Obama wont?

136 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:10pm

re: #133 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Zobies?

Zombies. Sorry, I'm off balance without my tail.

137 redheadredstate  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:24pm

re: #133 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Zobies?

Perhaps Doobies?

138 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:29pm

re: #120 David IV of Georgia

Can we start with the French? We'll be nice and drink their Armagnac, Cognac and Bordeaux before switching to beer. (Ow. My head's throbbing.)

While I appreciate good diplomacy and good toiletpaper, sometimes you need to fall back on the Greco-Roman roots of civilization: "Might makes right."

I keep expecting to wake up and find that the US has decided to redo our Flag in pastels...

And Winnie the Pooh instead of the bald eagle.

139 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:27:45pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Will they tingle for each other?


I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

140 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:28:14pm

re: #139 turn

I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

Gah! My brain!

141 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:28:25pm

re: #128 Hard Right

After he caught a lot of flak, yes.
Then again, he may actually have thought he did. The man is living proof of zobies existing.

Sheryl Crow said her one-sheet thingy was a joke.

142 redheadredstate  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:28:46pm

re: #139 turn

I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

Eww now there's a visual I didn't need. Brain bleach, I need brain bleach!

143 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:28:53pm
144 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:29:16pm

re: #139 turn

I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

We'll get to see their O face.

OH OH OH OH!

You know what I'm talking about.

OH!

145 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:29:21pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Sheryl Crow said her one-sheet thingy was a joke.

Possible. It's hard to tell sometimes with some of these moonbats.

146 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:29:29pm

Priceless HRC quote. (4/5ths of the way down).

I'm going to be looking for people who respect that the constitution is an organic, growing, evolving set of principles that have stood the test of time.

'kay, how does something stand the "test of time" yet evolve as times change?

And BHO is left of HRC. YIKES!

147 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:30:02pm

re: #139 turn

I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH! BRAIN BLEACH!

148 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:30:02pm

re: #139 turn

I said Olbermann, not Mathews. Get him on Olbermann and they orgasm together.

I knew it was Matthews. I thought the entire staff at MSNBC had gone tingly for moonbats.

149 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:30:24pm

re: #122 angst

I've never been called for jury duty. Was it interesting?

Move here to DC, and register to vote. Guaranteed, you'll be called every two years, like clockwork.

150 loflyer  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:30:39pm

re: #122 angst

I've never been called for jury duty. Was it interesting?

Boring as hell! The only saving grace was an interesting book and friendly jurors and deputies. They kept us under tight control per the judge, but allowed us access an outside smoking area. I have seen better but it could of been a lot worse. I appreciate the deputies giving us every break they could....

151 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:30:40pm

Hurk...still dry....heaving.

152 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:31:17pm
153 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:31:25pm

re: #150 loflyer

Boring as hell! The only saving grace was an interesting book and friendly jurors and deputies. They kept us under tight control per the judge, but allowed us access an outside smoking area. I have seen better but it could of been a lot worse. I appreciate the deputies giving us every break they could....

The jury rooms in Seattle had WIFI.

154 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:31:40pm

re: #145 Hard Right

Possible. It's hard to tell sometimes with some of these moonbats.

For some reason I think of Mellencamp when I hear her name, and then I think of corn husks.

155 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:31:58pm
156 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:32:33pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Sheryl Crow said her one-sheet thingy was a joke.

It's called an attempt to change the laughing at them into a laughing with them kinda thing. It may work with the MSM, but it won't fly here. One of many reasons I like to hang out here, good people and good material. Thanks Charles for the venue.

157 turn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:32:45pm

re: #144 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

We'll get to see their O face.

OH OH OH OH!

You know what I'm talking about.

OH!


LOL.

I was really serious when I said I don't understand a single thing Olbermann says. It's like it's one big idiotic conspiracy theory after another. You could say a multiple orgasm of conspiracy theory.

/sorry, couldn't resist

Later all, time to go walk the black lab along the American river.

158 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:32:49pm

re: #146 JCM

Priceless HRC quote. (4/5ths of the way down).


'kay, how does something stand the "test of time" yet evolve as times change?

And BHO is left of HRC. YIKES!

I'd also like to know what the hell she means by "organic", as used in tha sentence. (The word is either entirely redundant, or completely silly, depending on what she meant.)

159 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:33:15pm

re: #146 JCM

Priceless HRC quote. (4/5ths of the way down).

'kay, how does something stand the "test of time" yet evolve as times change?

And BHO is left of HRC. YIKES!

I remember reading that. And I thought- she's a lawyer?
We are so lucky to have a constitution. Pity the poor souls who have to live in countries where they make it up as they go.
Not that we can't here- it's just a hell of a lot harder.

160 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:33:23pm

re: #53 GeeWiz

That is a pipe wrench.

Nay, nay that is a Stillson wrench

161 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:33:41pm

re: #154 MandyManners

For some reason I think of Mellencamp when I hear her name, and then I think of corn husks.

I think of Heckle and Jeckel...even though they are magpies and not crows. Too many cartoons as a child.

162 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:34:13pm

re: #158 Occasional Reader

I'd also like to know what the hell she means by "organic", as used in tha sentence. (The word is either entirely redundant, or completely silly, depending on what she meant.)

Ain't good what ever she means. In this case I think growing, adapting to new situations. In other words if she doesn't like it, it's gonna change.

163 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:34:32pm

Good afternoon, lizards. Glenn Reynolds has a suggestive sentence here:

HE TELEGRAPH: Extremists are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Britain's young Muslims, a disturbing police report warns. Well, they're trying to inspire loyalty. Liberal secular society isn't trying, and acts vaguely ashamed of itself to boot.

I think this is exactly right. If you fail to ask for loyalty, or fail continuously to link advantages to loyalty over time, you'll create a loyalty gap even if you don't attack loyalty per se. Rivals rush into the vacuum, and then you have a serious problem.

164 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:34:34pm

re: #144 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Upding for the Office Space reference.

165 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:34:53pm

re: #154 MandyManners

For some reason I think of Mellencamp when I hear her name, and then I think of corn husks.

Maybe that's some of that "natrual TP" the bats talk about?

166 see bs  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:35:01pm

I saw LFG was down and feared the worst for a sec...glad to see the lizard-nation back up!

167 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:35:28pm

re: #160 HDrepub

Nay, nay that is a Stillson wrench

Um that should be Stilson PIMF

168 loflyer  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:35:33pm

re: #153 JCM

The jury rooms in Seattle had WIFI.

They made me return my cell phone to my vehicle. I had turned it off. but that made no difference. The presiding judge had picked up on the truly awesome capibilities of an average cell phone..

169 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:36:04pm

re: #165 Hard Right

Maybe that's some of that "natural TP" the bats talk about?

170 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:36:43pm

Well, it's time to go run over pedestrians again. BBL.

171 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:36:55pm

re: #168 loflyer

They made me return my cell phone to my vehicle. I had turned it off. but that made no difference. The presiding judge had picked up on the truly awesome capibilities of an average cell phone..

The rules might have changed if I got seated, both times I was the first one tossed by the attorneys on a peremptory challenge.

172 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:37:03pm

re: #93 Atweber

Braaaack---sounds a bit bodily functiony

Back in the day and in some circles, it was a competition to who could belch the loudest... the term they used was "Braaaaking".

In other news, according to the Wall Street Journal "A Knight's Tale: Modern Jousting Sees Renaissance".

LIÈGE, Belgium -- Fred Piraux has been grooming his horse Thorgal three hours a day, polishing replica 15th-century armor and taking lessons in medieval dancing.

Next month, the 38-year-old Belgian police instructor will level his lance at a fearsome opponent, Frenchman Tino Lombardi, in a bid for the top spot with the International Jousting League.

"It's not about the prize you win. It's about hearing your rivals' wives weep," says Mr. Piraux. A squire helps the chevalier squeeze into a metal breastplate. Mr. Piraux hoists himself onto his chocolate-brown steed and gallops through the fields on the outskirts of this industrial Belgian town.

The advent of firearms ended the medieval sport of jousting in the 17th century. But the Internet has resurrected it and, today, mounted men in full armor charge at each other for glory and global rank.

About 1,000 people world-wide take part in this sport, estimates the International Jousting Association, though only 200 have the equipment and expertise to joust competitively. The International Jousting League, a separate organization, has 47 jousters from San Diego to Paris who compete at castles and fields around the world.

Does this count as "Weird"?

173 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:37:39pm

re: #138 MandyManners

And Winnie the Pooh instead of the bald eagle.

I like Winnie the Pooh. He's stuffed with fluff, didntja know?
but there is a dark underside...

174 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:37:49pm

re: #150 loflyer

Boring as hell! The only saving grace was an interesting book and friendly jurors and deputies. They kept us under tight control per the judge, but allowed us access an outside smoking area. I have seen better but it could of been a lot worse. I appreciate the deputies giving us every break they could....

So I guess they never told you what kind of cases were on the dock? I suppose too much potential for chitchatting amongst the jurors. I haven't ever been called, and its not like there's a huge pool of jurors here. Although maybe the crime rate just isn't high enough. I'd like to go at least once.

175 HDrepub  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:38:25pm

re: #154 MandyManners

For some reason I think of Mellencamp when I hear her name, and then I think of corn husks.

No, no Mandy, you feed the husks to the cattle and use the cobs for TP.

176 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:38:27pm

Today I've been getting pissed off emails, and emails from people saying they'll pray for me, and emails demanding that I immediately delete their accounts. The tone ranges from "angry caveman" (a recently banned YEC) to people who seem honestly disappointed in me for not living up to their image. All because I think science should be taught in science classrooms.

Oh well. All in a day's grind.

177 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:38:44pm

re: #171 JCM

The rules might have changed if I got seated, both times I was the first one tossed by the attorneys on a peremptory challenge.

Was it your "Celebrate Diversity" T-shirt?

178 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:39:33pm

re: #144 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

We'll get to see their O face.

OH OH OH OH!

You know what I'm talking about.

OH!

Taking one of them over to Tom Smykowski's party, eh?

179 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:39:43pm

Archbishop of Canterbury's control over Anglicans 'is ending'

The Archbishop of Canterbury's control over the worldwide Anglican Communion is ending as the balance of power shifts to developing countries, according to a leading conservative.

The Rt Rev Robert Duncan, the Bishop of Pittsburgh, echoed the words of other traditionalists who have warned this week that the church is "disintegrating" and faces a historic split over homosexuality and same-sex unions.

Speaking at a breakaway summit in Jerusalem, he said all Anglicans face the choice of remaining true to Scripture or following liberals on a road to "disunity and destruction".

Bishop Duncan claimed the "crisis" over sexuality called for a new settlement of Anglicanism similar to that which formed the current church in the Reformation.

A quick look at the conservative leaders also show they are also some of the more vocal church leaders in the fight against Islamization.

180 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:41:30pm

re: #143 taxfreekiller
Paraphrasing:
From an interview w/ La Opinion, a Spanish-language newspaper in Los Angeles.
McCain vehemently denies that he has turned his back on immigration reform.
It will be a high priority and first thing on the agenda.
He will advocate basically the same thing as in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
He says it did not pass the Senate because Americans want to ensure border control before passing amnesty.
In order to get the reform through, the borders will have to be secured.
That is the political reality.

To the interviewer's question about whether Obama is right in calling McCain simply a "continuation" of Bush, McCain answers that it is obviously not so since he has sometimes opposed Bush's policies. McCain adds that it would be far, far more accurate to say that Obama wants to be a continuation of Jimmy Carter.

181 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:41:32pm

re: #176 Charles

And they're still at it in the last ID Teacher thead from yesterday.

/Ding, Ding goes the Trolley.

182 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:42:21pm

re: #176 Charles

Today I've been getting pissed off emails, and emails from people saying they'll pray for me, and emails demanding that I immediately delete their accounts. The tone ranges from "angry caveman" (a recently banned YEC) to people who seem honestly disappointed in me for not living up to their image. All because I think science should be taught in science classrooms.

Oh well. All in a day's grind.

Charles

Science and science only should be taught in the classroom the rest is for there home or there church to teach them!

183 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:42:46pm

re: #177 Occasional Reader

Was it your "Celebrate Diversity" T-shirt?

That and asking if it was okay to clean 'em in jury room.
;-).

My mistakes... I dressed professionally, I paid attention, didn't ask stupid questions, and said I would judge on the merits and evidence. I think the attorneys decided I wasn't one to be BS'ed.

184 loflyer  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:42:47pm

re: #171 JCM

The rules might have changed if I got seated, both times I was the first one tossed by the attorneys on a peremptory challenge.

Two things bugged me about jury duty, We were not allowed to ask any questions, And no public filming of the trial was allowed. If it is a public trial why not broadcast the events?

185 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:42:53pm

re: #172 Conservative in Liberal Hands

If you have the money, I guess you can live in whatever time period you want. In some places, if you fancy the 18th century, you could probably walk around, nose full of snuff, in powdered wig and tights. Or maybe you like the gaslight era and call yourself a steampunk. The possibilities are endle... er, timeless.

186 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:43:38pm

re: #176 Charles

Today I've been getting pissed off emails, and emails from people saying they'll pray for me,


I wonder when praying for someone became an insult. I get it all the time too.

187 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:43:44pm

I propose a compromise solution; they can teach ID in public schools, but only in Phys. Ed., during Dodge Ball games.

188 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:43:51pm

re: #173 David IV of Georgia

I like Winnie the Pooh. He's stuffed with fluff, didntja know?
but there is a dark underside...

*sniff*

189 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:43:52pm

re: #176 Charles

Oh well. All in a day's grind.

And balky DB servers and code too... I guess this counts as one of those "Interest Times" the Ancient Oriental Gentleman was talking about - as in "May you live in Interesting Times." HANG IN THERE!

190 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:44:31pm

re: #176 Charles

Science in a science classroom? What's next, religion in Church?

191 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:44:32pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I wonder when praying for someone became an insult. I get it all the time too.

No idea, but I used to see this stuff on talk.origins a lot. For some reason the YECs loved to crosspost it to alt.atheism as well.

192 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:44:39pm

re: #175 HDrepub

No, no Mandy, you feed the husks to the cattle and use the cobs for TP.

Oh, gross.

193 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:45:06pm

re: #172 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Jousting is actually the official state sport of Maryland, I think!
I have seen jousting tournaments in the northern Shenandoah Valley of VA....near Harrisonburg.
If you ever get a chance to see one, by all means go. Fascinating.
You have everyone from preppy horse-people (ugh) to rednecks(yay!) competing.

194 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:45:58pm

Anyone remember the video game, Joust?

195 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:46:13pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Oh, gross.

You'll get calluses on your butt after awhile, then it's better than Charmin.
/

196 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:46:41pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I wonder when praying for someone became an insult. I get it all the time too.

I the inverse: "Get some professional help" :)

197 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:46:54pm

re: #194 godfrey

Anyone remember the video game, Joust?

Yup, flying ostriches over lava = win

198 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:47:19pm

re: #194 godfrey

Anyone remember the video game, Joust?

Played on my HP48 in Differential Equations and Linear Alegbra classes, with the IR port we'd have tournaments.

199 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:47:41pm

I get the inverse

PIMF

200 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:47:51pm

re: #193 wolfie

Cool! I knew that there was something called the "Society for Creative Anarchy" or something like that, where they used to "joust". I'll try see it.

201 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:48:03pm

re: #158 Occasional Reader

I'd also like to know what the hell she means by "organic", as used in tha sentence. (The word is either entirely redundant, or completely silly, depending on what she meant.)

It means growing via 'natural' fertilizer. Crap, in plain language.

202 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:48:07pm

re: #188 MandyManners

I wasn't my usual careful self and didn't look at the whole site I linked to. The pictures developed in a way that demented junior high boys appreciate, but few others.

203 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:48:18pm

re: #176 Charles

Why not suggest that French grammar should not be taught in civics classes and see what kind of hate mail you get?!

204 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:48:30pm
205 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:48:44pm
206 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:49:02pm

re: #198 JCM

Heh, for me it was after junior high football games, when we all walked down the hill to the arcade next to McDonald's. ... We were there for the whole video arcade era, weren't we?

207 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:49:36pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I wonder when praying for someone became an insult. I get it all the time too.

It's okay to pray for someone but, it crosses some serious boundaries if you tell her you're doing it after she's told you not to do it.

208 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:49:41pm

re: #179 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Archbishop of Canterbury's control over Anglicans 'is ending'


A quick look at the conservative leaders also show they are also some of the more vocal church leaders in the fight against Islamization.

A mere coincidence?
I think not.

209 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:49:55pm

re: #179 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Archbishop of Canterbury's control over Anglicans 'is ending'

A quick look at the conservative leaders also show they are also some of the more vocal church leaders in the fight against Islamization.

This article misses the mark by not mentioning how unhappy many American Anglicans are over all of this. Several Episcopalian Churches have broken with Canterbury to follow an African Archbishop. Falls Church (the city in Virginia is named after it) is one of the most prominent examples, and they're being taken to court over it.

210 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:50:35pm

re: #206 godfrey

Heh, for me it was after junior high football games, when we all walked down the hill to the arcade next to McDonald's. ... We were there for the whole video arcade era, weren't we?

I was never much good at 'em. Didn't have enough quarters to get good.

211 godfrey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:50:42pm

re: #204 taxfreekiller

My legislative betters sold a big chunk of our toll road to a Mexican firm, IIRC.

212 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:50:58pm

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

Gotcha! ;)

213 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:50:59pm

re: #202 David IV of Georgia

I wasn't my usual careful self and didn't look at the whole site I linked to. The pictures developed in a way that demented junior high boys appreciate, but few others.

I laughed my butt off.

214 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:50:59pm

re: #187 Occasional Reader

I propose a compromise solution; they can teach ID in public schools, but only in Phys. Ed., during Dodge Ball games.

WE HAVE A SOLUTION !

215 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:51:05pm
216 loflyer  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:51:20pm

Charles; I know you wont let the e-mails bring you down. Probably 99 percent of us back you 100 percent. Keep up the great work, (and lay off on ID). Most of us agree with evolution, and the rest are not changing thier minds...

217 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:51:28pm

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

Middle Kingdom, I presume?

218 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:51:55pm

re: #185 godfrey

I read a science fiction story several years ago that had an interesting premise. (Can't recall the name at the moment.) It centers around an insurance company statistician, in the near future, after we've gone through a "limited", but horrible, World War III. Much to his surprise, he finds that the populations of certain nuked US cities have actually started growing strongly. Eventually, he finds out that these areas are being populated by time travelers from the future, who consider his own, ghastly era to be romantic. Someone from the Time Travel control board (or whatever) catches up to him and explains that now that he's discovered this, he'll have to be dispatched himself... either to the future or the past, his choice. But, the controller explains, everyone who makes this one-way journey winds up miserable. The truth is, you're only cut out to live in your own time period. The conceit of the story winds up being that most of the bums you meet on the street are down-on-their-luck time travelers, unable to hack it in our own time.

219 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:52:04pm

re: #181 Honorary Yooper

And they're still at it in the last ID Teacher thead from yesterday.

/Ding, Ding goes the Trolley.

They never stop. I'll give creationists that, they're very persistent.

220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:52:18pm
221 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:53:34pm
222 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:53:59pm

re: #176 Charles

Hang in there Charles. I know I don't need to remind you that your supporters FAR exceed the detractors. I totally understand the "grind" you speak of. On a daily basis, I deal with "lunch ladies" over the phone placing their service calls for problems that consist of nothing more than "the nut behind the wheel". Gets very tedious very quick, but it's a living. Oh, well life goes on.

223 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:54:01pm

re: #200 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Cool! I knew that there was something called the "Society for Creative Anarchy" or something like that, where they used to "joust". I'll try see it.

Yes, I 've heard of that too.

But jousting is a serious sport. Technically it's not jousting, but tilting at the ring.
But it's a real sports competition. Some of the competitors dress archaically, but most don't. They do have (simple) medievalish opening & closing ceremonies, tho.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:54:40pm
225 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:55:05pm

re: #219 Charles

They never stop. I'll give creationists that, they're very persistent.

Can you put them on a treadmill and let the hamsters have a breather?

226 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:55:29pm

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

It's the Teenaged Earth Creationists

In the beginning, all was empty and void... a veritable Teenage Wasteland, whoa yeah, it's only Teenage Wasteland...

227 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:56:01pm
228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:56:15pm

re: #223 wolfie

But jousting is a serious sport. Technically it's not jousting, but tilting at the ring.

Can I bring a shotgun? (Just seems that it would make the whole thing a lot easier.)

229 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:56:20pm

re: #219 Charles

They never stop. I'll give creationists that, they're very persistent.

That's been my experience with them as well. And they'll keep bringing up the same references and documents several times after you have already debunked them and proven them wrong several times. It's the definition of insanity, IMHO. They keep up with the same old tired arguments and keep expecting a different result each time.

I don't know how many times I've explained how Flood Geology is full of holes and doesn't fit what we see in geomorphology.

230 chukardog  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:56:41pm

Interesting to see how Mysql does now that Sun bought them. Charles, was it a hardware issue or a DB/software issue.

231 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:57:11pm

re: #226 Occasional Reader

In the beginning, all was empty and void... a veritable Teenage Wasteland, whoa yeah, it's only Teenage Wasteland...

Teenagers make me look positively sanguine.

232 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:58:13pm

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder if any creationists ever evolve into people who understand the distinction between science and religion?

I've heard of a few. One has written a book recently.

233 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:58:23pm

re: #219 Charles

I think that the creationists are actually scary, and that they display some of the same irrationality as the fundamentalist islamics.

Just sayin'.

234 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:59:05pm

Sally, take my hand
we'll travel south cross land
put out the fire,
and don't look past my shoulder


(Some of the best rock lyrics ever written, IMHO; compare/contrast to "Westron Wind")

235 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 2:59:32pm

re: #209 angst

This article misses the mark by not mentioning how unhappy many American Anglicans are over all of this. Several Episcopalian Churches have broken with Canterbury to follow an African Archbishop. Falls Church (the city in Virginia is named after it) is one of the most prominent examples, and they're being taken to court over it.

I'm just so f--king happy that it started here in NH with Rev Gene Robinson. What the hell is happening to New Hampshire?

236 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:00:16pm

re: #233 Ojoe

I think that the creationists are actually scary, and that they display some of the same irrationality as the fundamentalist islamics.

Just sayin'.

I mentioned that to a YEC in the Lounge, about the similarities in irrationality. He wound up getting very pissed off with me, and ignited a Lizard Lounge Flame War for the evening.

237 faraway  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:00:20pm

Creation only helps explain what science cannot. Scientific evidence and creation are beautiful partners.

That's not hard to understand is it? We keep trying to help you.

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:00:21pm
239 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:00:33pm

re: #229 Honorary Yooper

That's been my experience with them as well. And they'll keep bringing up the same references and documents several times after you have already debunked them and proven them wrong several times. It's the definition of insanity, IMHO. They keep up with the same old tired arguments and keep expecting a different result each time.

I don't know how many times I've explained how Flood Geology is full of holes and doesn't fit what we see in geomorphology.

My next door neighbor is a computer engineer and creationist. You should see the literature he gave me to read. Full of footnotes, and references and very scientific-looking. I could see how it could fool someone who wasn't terribly sophisticated regarding the quality of evidence. I'm still not sure what his excuse is, though, because I think he should know better, but maybe not.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:00:41pm

re: #176 Charles

I teach astronomy in an online university, and I tell my students they can believe what they want, but they have to understand the science. If they want to, they can say "Scientists believe...." and put in something that scientists believe, but they don't. I've had only one student actually do that.

In my current class, I'm trying to convince a student the other way - that science doesn't mean religion is wrong; they are separate fields and can be reconciled, each describing its own area. Science doesn't say whether religion is correct or not, just some interpretations. He doesn't have to believe in a Creator if he doesn't want to, but he shouldn't say that science says that there is no creator.

241 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:01:01pm

re: #228 Occasional Reader

Can I bring a shotgun? (Just seems that it would make the whole thing a lot easier.)

Now, listen here you cotton pickin' low life! This is a FINESSE sport! :D

In the 3 or 4 competitions we've been to, BTW, some of the winners look like they spend their free time blowing squirrels off the back porch w/ a shotgun. And some of the wives look like they've spent a lifetime cleaning up the yard afterwards. (But that's another story.)

242 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:01:13pm

re: #230 chukardog

Interesting to see how Mysql does now that Sun bought them. Charles, was it a hardware issue or a DB/software issue.

It looks like it might have been just some huge system logs that needed zapping, dragging down the system. Not a MySQL problem -- an overall server problem. I believe we have it sorted now.

243 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:01:17pm

re: #229 Honorary Yooper

The flood story might come from a real though not worldwide event, the over-topping of Mediterranean waters at a former land bridge between the med and the black sea, some think.

At the rising of the sea after the last ice age.

244 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:02:06pm

re: #236 Honorary Yooper

I mentioned that to a YEC in the Lounge, about the similarities in irrationality. He wound up getting very pissed off with me, and ignited a Lizard Lounge Flame War for the evening.

How do you follow anything in there. I went into check it out once and got a head ache

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:02:45pm
246 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:02:51pm

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

It seems there are some confused atheists out there too...
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

247 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:03:21pm

re: #239 angst

My next door neighbor is a computer engineer and creationist. You should see the literature he gave me to read. Full of footnotes, and references and very scientific-looking. I could see how it could fool someone who wasn't terribly sophisticated regarding the quality of evidence. I'm still not sure what his excuse is, though, because I think he should know better, but maybe not.

That's something I did notice while I was at college. The computer people, CS majors and the like, tended to be YECs more often than anyone else on campus.

The geologists and geological engineers on the other hand, had not a YEC among them. Every other major was a mixed bag.

248 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:04:33pm

re: #234 Occasional Reader

Babba O'Reilly is one of my all time favorite songs. I also think that Roger Daltry was never in better voice than on Who's Next.

249 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:05:03pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I decided long ago that perception was the way to go, not belief.

And that faith was OK too, since it is something you can have, whereas belief was something you had to do, and it wore you out.

250 bosforus  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:05:08pm

re: #247 Honorary Yooper

That's something I did notice while I was at college. The computer people, CS majors and the like, tended to be YECs more often than anyone else on campus.

The geologists and geological engineers on the other hand, had not a YEC among them. Every other major was a mixed bag.

They probably thought CS stood for Creationist Science.

251 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:05:57pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

But who is their "God"?

If the junior sentator from Illinois counts, the percentage would be closer to 89%.

252 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:06:00pm

re: #235 BBev

I'm just so f--king happy that it started here in NH with Rev Gene Robinson. What the hell is happening to New Hampshire?

NH is a study in contrasts, for sure.
I'm guessing you have an influx of yuppies fleeing the city for a quieter way of life, only to bring their crappy values with them. After they reach a critical mass, they re-make their new home into the old one.
Then whine about the traffic and the cost of a latte.
It's happening out here in the Wild West, for sure.

253 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:06:11pm

re: #233 Ojoe

I think that the creationists are actually scary, and that they display some of the same irrationality as the fundamentalist islamics.

Just sayin'.

I'll say this in my defense (being a creationist). A lot of my fellow Christians have mistakenly decided the gospel is a bludgeon. Some to be applied frequently and with great fervor.

So I do apologize for any angst these, misaiming overly zealous folks are causing you.

Speaking for my self and to them. KNOCK IT OFF! You are causing more damage than good. You can't not use force, arguments or logic. It's the wrong realm! All you do with these tactics is cause people to erect barriers.

254 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:06:11pm

re: #243 Ojoe

It was origianly a Babylonian myth involving Gilgamesh. IIRC he floated into the Persian gulf and landed on an island.

255 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:06:45pm

re: #243 Ojoe

The flood story might come from a real though not worldwide event, the over-topping of Mediterranean waters at a former land bridge between the med and the black sea, some think.

At the rising of the sea after the last ice age.

Yeah, but when I hear the YECs attempting to explain the Grand Canyon or the Appalachian coal seams by using Noah's Flood, it's rediculous.

There's a few alternatives for a possible Middle Eastern flood inspiring the story (Noah and Gilgamesh), your senario above between the Med and and Black Sea, a huge Tigris and Euphrates flood, and a tsumani in the Indian Ocean.

256 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:06:52pm
257 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:07:03pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

I like that!

258 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:07:11pm

(I'm glad a couple of those nuts were flushed out of their shells, by the way.)

259 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:07:14pm

re: #172 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Does this count as "Weird"?

No. That counts as frickin' cool.

260 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:07:16pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It seems there are some confused atheists out there too...
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

ROLFMAO! Boy have they got some 'splaining to do.

261 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:06pm

re: #249 Ojoe

But would you consider yourself an atheist who believes in god? I think there's something odd going on with that survey.

262 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:21pm

re: #252 angst

Latte what the hell is a latte?
sarc/

263 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:31pm

re: #253 JCM

True. Someone once told me that you spread the Gospel by the touch of the soul, not the end of the sword.

(not that anyone is using a sword, buy you understand...)

264 JimmyTheClaw  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:33pm

re: #56 The Other Les

Of course Obama appears to be as mentally dense as a neutron star...

i was thinking higgs field but neutron star will do

265 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:35pm

re: #255 Honorary Yooper

They've discovered ancient shorelines and drowned settlements under the Black Sea & they think the whole place filled up very quickly.

266 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:08:47pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

It was origianly a Babylonian myth involving Gilgamesh. IIRC he floated into the Persian gulf and landed on an island.

With Gilgamesh
The Skipper, too
The Millionaire
and his wife
The Moooovie Star...
and the rest*


________________________________________
*the older version, this being Babylonian and all

267 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:09:04pm

re: #258 Charles

(I'm glad a couple of those nuts were flushed out of their shells, by the way.)

Speaking of people being flushed out...

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

268 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:09:12pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Yes, weird survey.

269 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:09:55pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

Technicians may often be incredibly adept at certain tasks without grasping a larger picture. If they pass themselves off as "scientists" to the even less sophisticated they can do a lot of damage.

I wonder if it doesn't have to do with actually designing experiments and following the scientific method. There would be very little need for that in computer science- maybe the term "computer science" is a little loose?

270 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:10:13pm

re: #258 Charles

(I'm glad a couple of those nuts were flushed out of their shells, by the way.)

ok no one asked who were they?

271 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:10:14pm

Coffee mug empty, back to work, BBL.

272 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:10:19pm

re: #258 Charles

(I'm glad a couple of those nuts were flushed out of their shells, by the way.)

... flushed out of their shells ...
If you're going after the turtles, that my be a problem!
It's turtles all the way down, and I'm sticking to it!
/ ;-P

273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:10:20pm
274 Dianna  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:10:22pm

Nap time!

Glorious nap!

275 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:11:12pm

re: #247 Honorary Yooper


Good way to meet women/men?

Aside from offering an explaination of the universe and your place in it...I would think the best way for a computer "geek" to meet people of the opposite sex might be, well, in church.

I know it was a draw for me in my FCA days.

276 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:11:24pm

re: #57 MandyManners

What was Kate Moss thinking?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Good grief! What a tacky looking buncha people (except for the bride & groom). Can't those folks afford to look good?

277 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:11:44pm

re: #262 BBev

Latte what the hell is a latte?
sarc/

One of those things people drink when they can't handle it straight up.
Lattes and mochas are actually the driving force behind the obesity epidemic, BTW. It's not McDonald's, it's Starbucks.

278 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:11:59pm

5,814 people do something stupid.

[Link: recordonline.com...]

279 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:12:25pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

What the site you linked to does not mention is the extended homosexual interlude between Gilgamesh and Enkidu

I missed that episode. Is that the one with Phil Silvers?

280 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:12:34pm

re: #263 brainwizard73

True. Someone once told me that you spread the Gospel by the touch of the soul, not the end of the sword.

(not that anyone is using a sword, buy you understand...)

Exactly, In Ephesians the Word is liken to a sword. But that is for the spiritual warfare, not the gospel. The gospel is gift, freely given, and freely accepted, a gift which can never be compelled on any one.

281 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:12:58pm

re: #277 angst

One of those things people drink when they can't handle it straight up.
Lattes and mochas are actually the driving force behind the obesity epidemic, BTW. It's not McDonald's, it's Starbucks.

You're right about that. A full day's worth of completely empty calories in one of those . . .

282 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:13:03pm
283 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:13:08pm

re: #277 angst

One of those things people drink when they can't handle it straight up.
Lattes and mochas are actually the driving force behind the obesity epidemic, BTW. It's not McDonald's, it's Starbucks.

I drink my coffee strong and black.

284 corncat  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:13:20pm

I thought only termites ate house salads.....

285 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:13:51pm

re: #270 BBev

ok no one asked who were they?

I'm not talking about anyone who still has an account.

(A fanatic, a fraud, and a phony.)

286 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:13:57pm

re: #266 Occasional Reader

HA!

287 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:14:39pm

re: #285 Charles

I'm not talking about anyone who still has an account.

(A fanatic, a fraud, and a phony.)

Hell thats no fun.

288 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:14:56pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

You're right about that. A full day's worth of completely empty calories in one of those . . .

While back Seattle Least Intelligence did an "expose" on the high calories in Starbucks stuff.

DUH! said I.

289 Dahveed  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:15:04pm

Charles just threw his server under the bus.

290 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:15:19pm

re: #278 The Other Les

5,814 people do something stupid.

[Link: recordonline.com...]

Stupid? How about environmentally criminal?

Has anyone bothered to measure the carbon footprint of these 5,814 Obamatons?

291 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:15:28pm

re: #285 Charles

I'm not talking about anyone who still has an account.

(A fanatic, a fraud, and a phony.)

You really have that Kevin Nealon vibe going there.

292 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:17:52pm

re: #269 angst

I wonder if it doesn't have to do with actually designing experiments and following the scientific method. There would be very little need for that in computer science- maybe the term "computer science" is a little loose?

Kind of like "political science"?
Some of these disicplines would be more accurate if they replaced the word science with studies.

293 faraway  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:18:03pm

re: #285 Charles

(A fanatic, a fraud, and a phony.)


Obama had an account here?

294 Empire1  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:18:32pm

Thank the gods! LGF is back! I was starting to have withdrawal symptoms ... not a pretty sight.

295 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:18:34pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

the oral tradition that when Noah gets drunk he is sodomized and/or castrated


I hadn't heard that one before. Too bad the left that out it's a valuable lesson; Choose your drinking buddies wisely.

296 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:18:36pm

re: #68 rawmuse

Lordy. K. Richards lives and Carlin is dead.
K. Richards looks like he died in May.


Oh, Kieth Ricards actually is dead. He's been dead for years.
He just keeps doing concerts ou of habit.
When he fell out of the coconut tree on his head, I was not surprised.
The surprise is that he actually got up in a coconut tree.

297 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:19:29pm
298 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:19:43pm
re: #285 Charles

(A fanatic, a fraud, and a phony.)

Sounds like a Johnny Carson Karnac routine

299 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:20:18pm

re: #290 brainwizard73

Stupid? How about environmentally criminal?

Has anyone bothered to measure the carbon footprint of these 5,814 Obamatons?

Not being a Gaianist I must confess that the thought never occurred to me that there would be an issues carbon footprints on their part. Although it would be nice if they would reduce their fuel consumption to something closer to zero and thus leave more for the rest of us.

300 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:20:28pm

Obama campaign drops seal on podium

After days of media mockery, Barack Obama has decided to stop using a presidential-looking seal that his campaign designed and affixed to his podium on Friday.

Journalists said the seal, which features an eagle clutching arrows and an olive branch, smacks of arrogance. John McCain's camp had a field day, calling the seal “laughable, ridiculous, preposterous and revealing - all at the same time.”

The seal was conspicuously missing from Obama's lectern when he spoke to a group of women in Albuquerque on Monday. Not surprising, given how much grief Obama took from a normally laudatory press corps after unveiling the seal at an appearance in Chicago on Friday.

“What a bizarre and dumb idea,” railed NBC political director Chuck Todd. “It really feeds the arrogance narrative.”

/what will the Obamarama do next?

301 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:20:48pm

I didn't realize that everybody gets their own seal from Obama.

Even kids!

For the first time in campaign history, children ages 12 and under, have a place to go and actually vote
302 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:21:04pm

re: #280 JCM

I think the entire debate on this site and other places is likely about something else. Some other real issue or philosophical argument. It seems like any reasonable person could see where science and religion meet and where they are separate...almost like a Venn Diagram.

I guess I just will keep spending bile on anyone that insultingly and rudely yanks ID et al into non-IDish threads. I seem to make so many friends that way.

303 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:21:43pm
304 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:21:46pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

Obama campaign drops seal on podium

/what will the Obamarama do next?

The possum's under the bus!

305 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:22:04pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout


I think that advice is in Proverbs somewhere.

306 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:22:05pm

re: #264 JimmyTheClaw

i was thinking higgs field but neutron star will do

If Obama is dense as a neutron star, he's made of neutronium, and thus a replicator. Where are the Asgard when we need them?
(Stargate reference for the science fiction clueless)

307 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:22:21pm

re: #296 opnion

I do believe he's listed on the voting rolls in Illinois..........several times.

sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep

308 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:22:23pm

re: #56 The Other Les

Of course Obama appears to be as mentally dense as a neutron star...

I wuz gonna say intergalactic vacuum, but maybe "black hole" would be a better metaphor?

One extreme or another.

309 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:01pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

Obama campaign drops seal on podium


/what will the Obamarama do next?

What's the problem with the seal? I'm actually all in favor of allowing Obama to become a Make-Believe President.

310 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:18pm

re: #283 BBev

I drink my coffee strong and black.


Me, too. Cheap and ubiquitous- unless I'm really cranky, then it's a double espresso. So I guess those fancy coffeehouses are good for something. However, it's really funny when they put them in these huge takeout cups- you can tell hardly anyone goes for the hard stuff. I just laugh and ask if they want me to lick the sides, but really, the poor kids don't have a choice. At least here in Boonietown. I wonder if they they have itty-bitty takeout cups in the Big City?

311 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:49pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

another day, another chance to put his foot in his mouth, or get embarssed by disturbing old friends, or fire campaign staff, or wish he had less carzy fanatical followers blogging for him, etc.

312 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:53pm

re: #299 The Other Les

You have to love the argument...no matter the intrisic goodness, or stupidity, of an act, it's likely that it "hurts" the enviroment. So, I figure it is a way to turn the other edge of the sword on the Left.

313 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:57pm

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

If Obama is dense as a neutron star, he's made of neutronium, and thus a replicator. Where are the Asgard when we need them?
(Stargate reference for the science fiction clueless)

I think McCain may be their hologram.

314 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:23:59pm

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

If Obama is dense as a neutron star, he's made of neutronium, and thus a replicator. Where are the Asgard when we need them?
(Stargate reference for the science fiction clueless)

Were the replicators supposedly made of neutronium? Seems odd... wouldn't they each weigh like a bazillion tons?

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:06pm

After checking the survey I linked to earlier I think people are lying to the pollsters. 12% of atheists claim to pray regularly and 10% believe in heaven.

316 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:27pm

Is it my imagination or is LGF particularly snappy right now?

317 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:41pm

re: #307 wolfie

I do believe he's listed on the voting rolls in Illinois..........several times.

sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep


Indeed, & he votes straight Domocrat.

318 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:45pm

re: #300 Killian Bundy

This is the hubcap design on the Obama bus...not under the bus, on the bus.

319 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:49pm

re: #308 itellu3times

I wuz gonna say intergalactic vacuum, but maybe "black hole" would be a better metaphor?

One extreme or another.

That's an African-American Hole, sir!

320 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:55pm

re: #302 brainwizard73

I think the entire debate on this site and other places is likely about something else. Some other real issue or philosophical argument. It seems like any reasonable person could see where science and religion meet and where they are separate...almost like a Venn Diagram.

I guess I just will keep spending bile on anyone that insultingly and rudely yanks ID et al into non-IDish threads. I seem to make so many friends that way.

I posted several times on the separation between the two. And the the necessity of treading lightly on that area in between. Frankly I am more put out by the boorish behavior, and thin skins exhibited by my fellow Christians than anything else.

321 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:24:59pm
322 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:25:00pm

re: #308 itellu3times

I wuz gonna say intergalactic vacuum, but maybe "black hole" would be a better metaphor?

One extreme or another.

Racist!

323 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:25:17pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

After checking the survey I linked to earlier I think people are lying to the pollsters. 12% of atheists claim to pray regularly and 10% believe in heaven.

Not necessarily lying. I know people who claim to be "atheists", but then will say "of course, I believe in some sort of greater power, etc.". I think they're just unclear on the definition, basically.

324 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:25:22pm

re: #319 The Other Les

That's an African-American Hole, sir!

I was afraid of that ...

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:25:40pm

re: #12 theparson

mmmmmm...Chilis.

326 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:25:47pm

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

Wouldn't Obama be a "White Dwarf"?

Small, annoying and incredibly dense?

327 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:26:33pm
328 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:26:40pm

re: #326 brainwizard73

Wouldn't Obama be a "White Dwarf"?

Small, annoying and incredibly dense?

And the result of a bloated gasbag of a red star burning out ...

329 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:26:52pm

re: #320 JCM

What was the line? "By your immediate and relentless defense of doctrinal minutae they will know you are mine."? ... Something like that? ;)

330 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:26:54pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

After checking the survey I linked to earlier I think people are lying to the pollsters. 12% of atheists claim to pray regularly and 10% believe in heaven.


How does the song go. "I can swsear ther ain't no heaven, but I pray there ain't no hell."

331 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:27:23pm

re: #326 brainwizard73

Wouldn't Obama be a "White Dwarf"?

Small, annoying and incredibly dense?

Why not a brown dwarf, never had enough fuel to really get going in the first place?

332 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:27:35pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Then wouldn't they be agnostics? There was an agnostic category in the survey.

333 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:27:44pm

re: #310 angst

Me, too. Cheap and ubiquitous- unless I'm really cranky, then it's a double espresso. So I guess those fancy coffeehouses are good for something. However, it's really funny when they put them in these huge takeout cups- you can tell hardly anyone goes for the hard stuff. I just laugh and ask if they want me to lick the sides, but really, the poor kids don't have a choice. At least here in Boonietown. I wonder if they they have itty-bitty takeout cups in the Big City?

My double espresso is day old heated down coffee. Yum!

334 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:27:49pm

re: #320 JCM

Yes. Boorish behavior is the last bastion of scoundrels...and the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

335 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:27:59pm

Now you knew good and well that if you have a headline like this...Apes plan for the future...you're liable to get a final statement like this..

Since planning involves mental time travel, it could also mean that chickens raised for meat dread their final moments, if they learn to associate certain objects or happenings with death.

"An animal that can anticipate an event might benefit from cues to aid prediction, but may also be capable of expectations rendering it vulnerable to thwarting, frustration and pre-emptive anxiety," Siobhan Abeyesinghe, a member of the Biophysics Group at the Silsoe Research Institute, told Discovery News.

In future, such research could therefore lead to more humane treatment of captive birds and animals.

And I'll bet that's not all it leads to, also.

336 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:02pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

Were the replicators supposedly made of neutronium? Seems odd... wouldn't they each weigh like a bazillion tons?

They would, which is something that annoys me about the show. Although they're only part neutronium.
The stargates (a network of gates connected by wormholes that allow almost instantaneous interstellar travel), I'll accept, but the neutronium part I have trouble with.
Besides, I like the woman who plays Samantha Carter.

337 offendi  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:11pm

Charles-

Maybe you need to send an afternoon talk show host in New York a bill?
Seems like Steve Malzberg's recent programs frequently focus on the issues that have appeared on LGF the night before/day of the broadcast.

Coincidence? Certainly. Perhaps.

338 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:24pm

re: #328 itellu3times

And the result of a bloated gasbag of a red star burning out ...

That's would pretty much describe the Democratic Party.

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:45pm

re: #331 itellu3times

Racist!

340 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:51pm

re: #326 brainwizard73

Wouldn't Obama be a "White Dwarf"?

Small, annoying and incredibly dense?

No, being a Marxist, he's a Red Dwarf.
(Cue Lister and Rimmer, and the cat)

341 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:53pm

re: #328 itellu3times

Bullseye!

342 faraway  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:28:56pm

Obama: The Great Pretender

343 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:29:02pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Then wouldn't they be agnostics? There was an agnostic category in the survey.

Maybe.

344 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:29:47pm

re: #334 brainwizard73

Yes. Boorish behavior is the last bastion of scoundrels...and the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

Now what did they do?.

(I've been working today.)

345 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:29:52pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Then wouldn't they be agnostics? There was an agnostic category in the survey.

Most of the "agnostics" I know say something about the "some kind of power" dealie; but a few self-described "atheists" say the same. I try to correct them.

346 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:30:27pm

re: #64 Render
MASSIVE
OVERKILL,
R

Hi, Render -- please click my football. I stand by the salty language, but I have corrected another minor problem in my profile that you brought to my attention. Thanks for that.

Also, I do owe everyone a small correction/retraction: Earlier on LGF, I characterized Discarded Lies as a "slow-motion trainwreck," but I now see that I was wrong to have done so.

A much better metaphor would be that my past week (and final days) on DL have been like a slow-motion extended dance remix of this showstopper from Meredith Willson's The Music Man, with me in the Marian the Librarian role.

Incidentally, if any DLers happen to notice this comment, Hermione Gingold's delivery of "BALZAC!" is deservedly immortal... and I trust they will understand what I'm recommending they do.

347 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:30:58pm

re: #331 itellu3times

See, now that would have been funnier. If only I had paid more attention during the astronomy unit of my biology class.

I didn't even know there was such thing as a "brown dwarf"...I looked at Bob Barr today, and he was pink...not brown.

348 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:09pm

re: #329 nikis-knight

What was the line? "By your immediate and relentless defense of doctrinal minutae they will know you are mine."? ... Something like that? ;)

LOL! And if don't agree to the mintae, there's always the auto de fe!

349 offendi  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:13pm

I have decided to support Barack Obama for the position of President of Iran. In that matter we will have "peace in our time"!

350 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:29pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

I hadn't heard that one before. Too bad the left that out it's a valuable lesson; Choose your drinking buddies wisely.

Some evile companions once pulled pulled the trousers down of a fellow that had passed out, then vasalined his behind and pulled them back up.

Nothing was ever said, but the fellow had a funny look about him for quite a while.

Evile, evile companions. I, naturally, was too pure of heart and spirit to participate.

351 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:32pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

Ted Rall

/he needs drawing lessons

352 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:36pm

re: #340 Kosh's Shadow

No, being a Marxist, he's a Red Dwarf.
(Cue Lister and Rimmer, and the cat)

If only BHO could go away for a few million years...

353 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:45pm

re: #314 Occasional Reader

thinly plated neutronium

354 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:31:57pm

re: #334 brainwizard73

Yes. Boorish behavior is the last bastion of scoundrels...and the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

I think WA democrats are trying to take the title from MN.

355 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:32:11pm

re: #336 Kosh's Shadow

They would, which is something that annoys me about the show.

It also seems unlikely that you could shoot something made of neutronium to pieces with a 12-gauge. Of course, there's no really clear definition of "neutronium" in actual science, so I guess the writers can make it do whatever they want.

One thing I'll say in favor of SG on the technical side; they've always been one of the most firearms-savvy shows on television.

356 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:33:22pm

re: #344 The Other Les

Lefty operatives in MN are accusing Norm Coleman of "green-screening" in his wife into commercials. Not only not classy, downright weird.

357 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:34:02pm
358 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:34:04pm

re: #329 nikis-knight

What was the line? "By your immediate and relentless defense of doctrinal minutae they will know you are mine."? ... Something like that? ;)

good shot! heh.

359 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:34:10pm

re: #356 brainwizard73

Is he the one running against Al Franken?

360 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:34:17pm

re: #346 Throbert McGee

with me in the Marian the Librarian role.

And Charles/LGF as Ol' Miser Madison, by metaphoric extension.

361 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:34:27pm

re: #356 brainwizard73

Lefty operatives in MN are accusing Norm Coleman of "green-screening" in his wife into commercials. Not only not classy, downright weird.


Is she a babe, or not a babe? It does make a difference.

362 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:35:33pm

re: #359 nikis-knight

Yes, the incumbant United States Senator. You can rip Coleman on some things, but this kind of is over the top.

363 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:35:39pm

re: #292 nikis-knight

Kind of like "political science"?
Some of these disicplines would be more accurate if they replaced the word science with studies.

Yes. Just because it's called a science doesn't make it so, as we've argued long and hard on these threads in recent days.

There's a real push for evidenced-based data, but it's really hard to apply to human behavior unless the outcomes are already quantified in some way, e.g. economics. Human behavior is very complex, especially at the level of a group or population. I got a degree in management after being in the sciences and it's a whole 'nother ball game.

364 schultzw  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:35:45pm

re: #359 nikis-knight

yes, Coleman is the incumbent and Franken is his opponent

I'm glad in in MN for election season!

365 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:35:52pm

re: #346 Throbert McGee

Incidentally, if any DLers happen to notice this comment, Hermione Gingold's delivery of "BALZAC!" is deservedly immortal

From

Password: The Lost Episodes

A: "Honoré de Balzac"


Q: What is the French expression for "no hitting below the belt"?

366 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:36:18pm

re: #346 Throbert McGee

is this a contender for "most obscure post" award? or is it just me? =-)

367 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:36:24pm

re: #176 Charles

So basically they are upset because...

A) you have an opinion

B) you express said opinion on your blog on the internet

AAHHHH! People expressing their opinions freely on the net! How the heck did that happen?! There ought to be a law...

368 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:36:42pm

re: #361 opnion

She is, shall we say, not hideous.

She is rather fetching...

369 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:37:04pm

I'm not much on Data Base Servers but,did you try reading a Winnie-the-Pooh book to it? Oh,the Rev Comm Party post has been yanked from the Light Beings site. You would think a Light Being would see those things comming wouldn't you?

370 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:37:11pm

re: #336 Kosh's Shadow

They would, which is something that annoys me about the show. Although they're only part neutronium.
The stargates (a network of gates connected by wormholes that allow almost instantaneous interstellar travel), I'll accept, but the neutronium part I have trouble with.
Besides, I like the woman who plays Samantha Carter.

It's not the same without Jack, though.

371 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:37:18pm

re: #347 brainwizard73

See, now that would have been funnier. If only I had paid more attention during the astronomy unit of my biology class.

Your biology class had an astronomy unit? Yer twistin' my melon, man. I hope you got this part:

We are stardust, we are golden
We are ten billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

372 LeonidasOfSparta  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:37:27pm

It's unconscienable that Newsweek is suddenly talking about "the orwellian" horrors of Mugabe today-- WHERE WERE THEY 10 YEARS AGO? Why are they now suddenly giving printspace to the murderous rampages of the Liberal's Darling Little Communist Thug? He has destroyed Zimbabwe!

$1 = 1 Billion Zimbabwean dollars

What a monster.

373 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:38:11pm

re: #366 hillbilly geek

is this a contender for "most obscure post" award? or is it just me? =-)


Yes, but oddly intriguing

374 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:39:00pm

re: #371 itellu3times

Yeah, I had to think about it, but I had astronomy during 10th grade biology. I think it was actually called "Life Sciences" back then. But I guess it had to do with understanding the physical world around you...and beyond.

You would think it would fit better somewhere else? Physics class?

375 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:39:24pm

re: #363 angst

Yes. Just because it's called a science doesn't make it so, as we've argued long and hard on these threads in recent days.

There's a real push for evidenced-based data, but it's really hard to apply to human behavior unless the outcomes are already quantified in some way, e.g. economics. Human behavior is very complex, especially at the level of a group or population. I got a degree in management after being in the sciences and it's a whole 'nother ball game.

Which is precisely why managing economies and populations is a losing proposition. Something the left hasn't figured out yet.

376 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:39:34pm

re: #333 BBev

My double espresso is day old heated down coffee. Yum!

All our caffeine are belong to BBev!

377 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:39:36pm

re: #368 brainwizard73

She is, shall we say, not hideous.

She is rather fetching...

Well, then it's probably not so bad.
The Governor of Illinois has a cute wife, but he's goin to the joint anyway.

378 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:39:54pm

re: #372 LeonidasOfSparta

It's unconscienable that Newsweek is suddenly talking about "the orwellian" horrors of Mugabe today-- WHERE WERE THEY 10 YEARS AGO? Why are they now suddenly giving printspace to the murderous rampages of the Liberal's Darling Little Communist Thug? He has destroyed Zimbabwe!

$1 = 1 Billion Zimbabwean dollars

What a monster.

They're hoping you've forgotten how much the left shilled for him in the past.

379 bosforus  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:40:12pm

Well, that's it for me today. Screw database errors.

380 GeeWiz  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:40:59pm

Okay, here goes nothing. Until now, I have avoided this whole ID vs Evolution debate because it arouses deep passions on both sides. I have my belief system and you have yours. I see no reason to convince anyone to change to my belief system in order to give it credence. I believe what I do regardless of what you believe. I don’t see your beliefs as a threat to mine and you should not see mine as a threat to yours. I have witnessed this debate here and sensed that some posters had the need to convert others to their point of view in order to confirm their view. I sense a weakness in those posters belief system. If you are confident in your position, you need no one to confirm it. I find this whole debate to be tedious and unproductive since nothing will change in the ideological war we are fighting here. I could be wrong, just ask my ex.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:41:42pm
382 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:41:45pm

re: #374 brainwizard73

Yeah, I had to think about it, but I had astronomy during 10th grade biology. I think it was actually called "Life Sciences" back then. But I guess it had to do with understanding the physical world around you...and beyond.

You would think it would fit better somewhere else? Physics class?

In California, last I checked, there's a general science class around 8th grade, but the high school biology class is all biology. I'm not sure astronomy gets covered at all, more's the shame.

383 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:42:06pm

re: #334 brainwizard73

Yes. Boorish behavior is the last bastion of scoundrels...and the Minnesota Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.

Redundant! Like using criminal attorney... you only need the second one, folk with common sense (thats almost all lizards) understand what you mean.

384 Empire1  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:42:18pm

re: #71 The Other Les

Actually converting everyone in Pukistan to Wicca would be a step up.

Quite a large step, at that, especially if it were British Traditional -- Gardnerians and Alexandrians have a tendency to worship sky-clad. {evil grin} But even Eclectic would be a great improvement!

385 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:42:26pm

re: #372 LeonidasOfSparta

Do you think that Obama has a plan to get rid of Mugabe?

Don't you think that is a question that should be asked of him? Instead, this will be the question:

"Senator, when you meet without precondition with President Mugabe, will you say anything to him about his government's policies that have resulted in the deaths of democracy and his citzens, or will you just tell him not to chill the gift bottle of merlot you are giving him?"

386 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:42:43pm

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

re: #378 wolfie

I haven't decided whether the Left has connived at getting the inner cities to resemble Africa, or connived at getting Africa to resemble the inner cities.

Or both.

Both, but in the quest for "Authenticity" so izzallcool.

387 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:43:09pm

re: #375 JCM

Which is precisely why managing economies and populations is a losing proposition. Something the left hasn't figured out yet.

That is very true. We don't understand it well enough to go tinkering with something that seems to literally have a life of its own- the ebb and flow and interwoven complexities of the economy and behavior is just fascinating. And everything that we do has unanticipated consequences, which just goes to show you how little we know.

As soon as you think you've got all the variables nailed down, another one pops up.

388 right_on_target  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:43:49pm

re: #204 taxfreekiller

of some note:

The Penn. turnpike got a "NOT FOR SALE SIGN"

[Link: www.lockhaven.com...]

In Louisiana some state official wanted to sell or lease our Lake Pontchartrain Causeway (24 mile bridge) to a private firm (the Shaw Group). There was an uproar about that. The idea is dead now

389 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:43:53pm

re: #371 itellu3times

Your biology class had an astronomy unit? Yer twistin' my melon, man. I hope you got this part:

We are stardust, we are golden
We are ten billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

In my online astronomy class, we discuss our being made of stardust, and I often quote the song. Yes, it is a moonbatty song, but ...
I also like the Queen song "39" to illustrate relativistic time dilation.

Have to go home now, so I'll miss some of the replies to this.

390 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:44:14pm

re: #376 angst

All our caffeine are belong to BBev!

Hey I only drink 2 post a day, good thing I have the office to myself (1,800 sf) I move a little fast.

391 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:44:40pm

re: #390 BBev

Pimf/ pots

392 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:46:09pm

re: #391 BBev

Pimf/ pots

That's what happens when you type too fast.

393 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:47:14pm

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

re: #378 wolfie

I haven't decided whether the Left has connived at getting the inner cities to resemble Africa, or connived at getting Africa to resemble the inner cities.

Or both.

Seems like both.
Same ideological mix of socialism, low expectations, tolerance for corruption among "right-thinking" elites, ..............and anti-white racism.
It works pretty well for the politicos.
Not so well for the people.

394 right_on_target  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:47:16pm

re: #223 wolfie

Yes, I 've heard of that too.

But jousting is a serious sport. Technically it's not jousting, but tilting at the ring.
But it's a real sports competition. Some of the competitors dress archaically, but most don't. They do have (simple) medievalish opening & closing ceremonies, tho.

Any windmills for practice?

395 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:48:22pm

re: #382 itellu3times

In California, last I checked, there's a general science class around 8th grade, but the high school biology class is all biology. I'm not sure astronomy gets covered at all, more's the shame.

I taught some astronomy, a couple weeks worth, in a "physical science" class, which was not college prepratory (sp?). Meaning, it was a graduation credit, but little help on transcripts for colleges. Though, since there was no state testing in the classes, or so they thought, they told me to teach whatever.
Then, they found out that all classes had to take the state tests in the closest class, so they got to take the physics test. I never saw the scores, but I'm sure most were well below what one would expect to get by filling in bubbles at random.

After I left, that class was replaced with an "earth science" class, which presumably has even more astronomy. I would have been teaching it, though I myself have never had any geology or astronomy classes.

396 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:49:18pm

someone told me I should post my link comment "rant" on a thread, and since I don't see an appropriate thread to post it to, here it goes...


A phony seal? So what? What has any of this silly factual stuff to do with electing a president? So what if BHO has no real-world credentials... according to the girls on "The View" he is "youngish" and "cool" and Ellen Degenerate showed that just like her, he has pretty good rhythm; and he's well, tall and sort of black in a Tiger Woodsy sort of way, and kind of good-looking (and we all know how important THAT is), and his voice is real relaxing and kind of chocolatey, and he knows how to pose for the camera, in fact he's quite the poseur!

And he knows all the right people - well actually all the Left people, and well, gee, the liberal media loves him and has anointed him and many of America's females like The View ladies dream of having sex with him because he's, well, black-ish; and blacks like him because he's almost sort of like nearly pretty close to one of them, I mean if you strip away his white half and his effete style. And muslims love him because he's sort of one of them in that he wants to bring "change" to the US, the same kind of change they want to bring, and tv comedians love him because they are so blinded by and can't seem to quite get past their visceral hatred for Bush. And college kids love him because they want to bring equality to the White House at any price, and Mr O is young-ish and hip-ish and went to a liberal school like them and learned to hate the US from all their Far Left University prof's, just like Barak. And then there is Mrs O, who is tall and sort of very much the independent woman type who doesn't mind showing her legs now and then and is far the more extreme Marxist-Muslim in the family who learned her skills in a law firm associated with all the other America-haters her husband surrounded himself with just to get himself elected in the first place; and when Fred Sanford's sister in law "Awnt" Ester can't (as Fred S usually greeted her) have her "face pushed into dough to make gorilla cookies" anymore, I think we may have found a good
replacement.

So, please all you stupid Conservatives and Republicans, stop whining about Barry's almost complete lack of experience, his fair-to-middlin' IQ, his inability to complete a coherent sentence without a bunch of turncoat political consultant white guys writing a speech for him, stop
quoting all his muslim and Marxist statements from books he wrote, stop bringing up all those other factual stats which you mention which totally disqualify him from being a US president... heck, look on the positive side... he's got all these other sexy things going for him. Ask any dimwit, they'll tell ya'.

And what does that old fart McCain bring to the party? Nothing. Crap like patriotism. Pfff! Who needs it?

397 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:49:20pm

re: #393 wolfie

What is happening in Zimbabwe is a travesty of epic proportions. Sadly, I don't know that the world gives enough of a care to do anything about it.

If ever there were a perfect use of the U.N., this would be it.

398 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:50:21pm

re: #385 brainwizard73

Do you think that Obama has a plan to get rid of Mugabe?

Don't you think that is a question that should be asked of him? Instead, this will be the question:

"Senator, when you meet without precondition with President Mugabe, will you say anything to him about his government's policies that have resulted in the deaths of democracy and his citzens, or will you just tell him not to chill the gift bottle of merlot you are giving him?"

"No, if anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking Merlot!"

399 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:50:40pm

re: #372 LeonidasOfSparta

Is there evidence extant that the MSM was backing Mugabe before he turned Zimbabwe in to a commie toilet? If so, it would be damning.

400 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:50:41pm

re: #395 nikis-knight

I taught some astronomy, a couple weeks worth, in a "physical science" class, which was not college prepratory (sp?). Meaning, it was a graduation credit, but little help on transcripts for colleges. Though, since there was no state testing in the classes, or so they thought, they told me to teach whatever.
Then, they found out that all classes had to take the state tests in the closest class, so they got to take the physics test. I never saw the scores, but I'm sure most were well below what one would expect to get by filling in bubbles at random.

After I left, that class was replaced with an "earth science" class, which presumably has even more astronomy. I would have been teaching it, though I myself have never had any geology or astronomy classes.

The few times I've seen a "earth science" curricula it was a form of "OMYGODWEREKILLINGTHEPLANET" little earth, little science, lot of hysteria an guilt.

401 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:51:03pm

re: #393 wolfie

Seems like both.
Same ideological mix of socialism, low expectations, tolerance for corruption among "right-thinking" elites, ..............and anti-white racism.
It works pretty well for the politicos.
Not so well for the people.

Never forget the Leftist mantra: Ideas are more important than people.

402 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:51:44pm
403 right_on_target  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:52:03pm

re: #260 JCM

ROLFMAO! Boy have they got some 'splaining to do.

I swear there ain't no Heaven and pray there ain't no Hell!
Who sang that?

404 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:52:05pm

If anyone else lives in Arizona...I am here on business...maybe someone can explain to me how human beings can live in this heat.

I think a roadrunner just burst into flames on I-10 south of Phoenix. I know.

I saw it happen.

405 red satellite  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:52:11pm

What home grown terrorism? CAIR to comment?

406 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:53:09pm

re: #392 angst

That's what happens when you type too fast.

Thats what happens when you have a stong drink when you get home and did not have lunch.

407 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:53:18pm

re: #59 razorbacker

"pig" -

Does sound a bit "JINGO" - I would be satisfied with TR - Somewhat revised - "Speak Clearly - AND - Carry a HUGE CLUB."

-S-

408 JCM  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:53:39pm

re: #404 brainwizard73

If anyone else lives in Arizona...I am here on business...maybe someone can explain to me how human beings can live in this heat.

I think a roadrunner just burst into flames on I-10 south of Phoenix. I know.

I saw it happen.

But it's a dry heat.
/

409 nikis-knight  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:53:52pm

re: #400 JCM

When I was in high school, after the AP Chem test, we had some lessons on environmental chemistry. I even wrote some short apocalyptic stories about global warming and ozone depletion.

410 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:53:58pm

re: #396 Stuck-in-CA

Great rant!

411 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:03pm

re: #398 Lucius Septimius

Who invited you on the trade mission?

Actually, I think political oppression is best served with a chilled Riesling. Something light and springy to compliment the seared violations of human rights.

412 LittleRed1  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:05pm

Re. #404. You don't go outside between dawn and dusk. Just like the four-footed lizards.

413 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:08pm

re: #401 Lucius Septimius

Never forget the Leftist mantra: Ideas are more important than people.

Bingo!

414 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:33pm

re: #403 right_on_target

I swear there ain't no Heaven and pray there ain't no Hell!
Who sang that?

Blood Sweat & Tears

415 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:39pm
416 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:54:39pm

re: #406 BBev

Thats what happens when you have a stong drink when you get home and did not have lunch.

Does half a Hershey bar count?

417 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:55:39pm
418 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:55:39pm

re: #401 Lucius Septimius

Never forget the Leftist mantra: Ideas are more important than people.


Any Liberal can break in to ,'To dream the Impossible Dream, on cue."

419 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:55:41pm

re: #403 right_on_target

I swear there ain't no Heaven and pray there ain't no Hell!
Who sang that?

Is that from Old Man River? That Lucky Ol' Sun?
No, the sun one is "I'm tired of living, but scared of dying."
Hmmm..........

420 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:55:52pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

"A perfect case for the UN?" Surely you jest! Mugabe is the epitome of what 3/4 of the leaders of the UN member states are or would like to be.

Hey, the U.N. is a bunch of tools, but if there was any real use of that body, this would be the type of situation it could actually help. Sadly, your analysis on the other member states is more true than not, and that makes it problematic.

421 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:56:51pm

Good evening, Lizards!

422 opnion  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:56:58pm

re: #414 Lucius Septimius

Blood Sweat & Tears

ding ding ding, We have a winner! Otherwise known as BS&T back in the day

423 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:57:15pm
424 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:57:22pm

re: #419 wolfie

Is that from Old Man River? That Lucky Ol' Sun?
No, the sun one is "I'm tired of living, but scared of dying."
Hmmm..........

It is this one, I think.

425 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:57:23pm

re: #109 loflyer

Afternoon guys, I had jury duty today, boring, but it was interesting to note all the trial cases ended up pleading guilty to lesser charges than going to trial. We had no lunch but they let us go at 13:30, could have been worse by a long shot...

13 o'clock? Was it another O.J. trial?

426 stevieray  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:57:33pm

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

re: #378 wolfie

I haven't decided whether the Left has connived at getting the inner cities to resemble Africa, or connived at getting Africa to resemble the inner cities.

Or both.

Its the flip side of the idea of evolutionary convergence -- devolutionary convergence. Its sort of like resetting human society to the base level.

427 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:57:57pm

re: #408 JCM

Anyone who says that either is from Minnesota or without a cold beer to take the edge off.

In my case; both.

Ugh. It is so flippin' hot.

Still the Pima County Air and Space Museum has the Arizona Aviation Hall of Fame and guess is in there? John McCain.

I smiled.

428 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:58:55pm

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Is "opposition party flank steak" a white or red meat?

429 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:59:14pm

Hey Goddess.

Well, dinner bell's a ringin'. Later, all.

430 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:59:42pm

re: #427 brainwizard73

Anyone who says that either is from Minnesota or without a cold beer to take the edge off.

In my case; both.

Ugh. It is so flippin' hot.

Still the Pima County Air and Space Museum has the Arizona Aviation Hall of Fame and guess is in there? John McCain.

I smiled.

My wife had a conference in Scottsdale, I went along for a break. Her company was cheap so it was July, 117&deg. I spent most of the day in the pool bar.

431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 3:59:50pm
432 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:00:37pm

re: #421 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess, where is the best place to teach astronomy; in biology class, physics class, or in something called "Life Sciences" or "Natural Sciences"?

433 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:02:03pm

And here I thought I was banned ....

434 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:02:45pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Sheryl Crow said her one-sheet thingy was a joke.

Another fad that just refused to catch on.

435 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:02:51pm

woah. Carlin's dead?
Dude... what?

Long live one of the funniest men in show business.
He now knows whether creation, evolution or ID is right, if he knows anything at all.

God rest his soul.

436 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:03:48pm

re: #416 angst

Does half a Hershey bar count?

For lunch or in your drink?

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:04:07pm
438 JeremyR  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:04:14pm

re: #396 Stuck-in-CA

Also with McCain we know he will never surrender since he can no longer lift his arms above his head. face high to block a sucker punch or jab yes, surrender, no.
(Some times I think thats just an excuse to explain why he is so tough as nails hard headed. He wouldn't raise em even if he could.)

439 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:04:45pm

Secret of the 'lost' tribe that wasn't Tribal guardian admits the Amazon Indians' existence was already known, but he hoped the publicity would lift the threat of logging.

They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an 'undiscovered tribe' in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.

Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.

440 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:04:47pm

re: #435 hillbilly geek

Ahhhhhh...

I hope for the best for everyone and George might have been a good guy underneath, but he probably said enough stuff in his life that he might be on "stand-by" for the big plane to the pearly gates.

441 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:05:15pm

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

"Tired of livin' and scared of dyin'" is Old Man River.

Same diff!
Did you know that Stars and Stripes Forever and the Toreador Song from Carmen are the same song?
Ditto with Santa Claus Is Coming to Town and Here Comes Peter Cottontail and Frosty the Snowman.
They all just morph together for me!

This is one of the many reasons why the musically adept wolves in the pack slink outdoors when I start humming.

442 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:05:20pm
443 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:05:25pm

re: #366 hillbilly geek

is this a contender for "most obscure post" award?

Possibly -- it was mainly a follow-up to Render based on a conversation that he and I had earlier on LGF, but I thought I should still put it on the public record. So I was a little obscure, but hopefully not too much.

444 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:05:31pm

re: #436 BBev

For lunch or in your drink?

For lunch. You know how I hate those fancy drinks.
It was melting and I had to put it out of its misery.

445 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:05:50pm

re: #439 jcm

Fake but accurate.

446 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:06:34pm
447 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:07:00pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you know, white meat (pork, chicken, turkey, poultry, fish) is often served with white wines and red meat (beef, lamb, other game) is often a red wine match.

When Barack goes to visit Mugabe with his wine, which should he bring, white or red?

448 missouri boy  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:07:10pm

This Irishman finds a magic lamp..rubs it and out pops a Genie.
Genie says "I"ll give you 3 wishes". The Irishman says "I want a pint of beer that never goes empty" Immediately, he has a pint in hand and as he drinks, it always fills back up!
The Genie says "What about the other 2 wishes?" The Irishman takes the pint from his lips and says "I'll have 2 more of these!"

449 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:07:25pm

re: #432 brainwizard73

Goddess, where is the best place to teach astronomy; in biology class, physics class, or in something called "Life Sciences" or "Natural Sciences"?

If astronomy is not offered as a separate elective, I can see its being incorporated into a physical science course or maybe even an earth science/geology course.

Physics is too much on its own. I wouldn't have it as part of biology or life sciences; the key to those is carbon-based life forms.

Remember, though, that I'm an English teacher, so it's just my opinion!

450 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:08:05pm
451 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:08:57pm

re: #433 Typicalwhitey

And here I thought I was banned ....

"T-W" -

LGF allows a lot of space, trust me on that one. Of course, if you were another "T-W" in the world, you would have been "KRAMDENED," Ralphie boy.

-S-

452 hillbilly geek  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:09:05pm

re: #448 missouri boy

lol lol lol

453 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:09:30pm

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

I respectfully disagree, as a song parodist and lyric repository.

I concede ignominious defeat!

454 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:10:07pm

re: #207 MandyManners

It's okay to pray for someone but, it crosses some serious boundaries if you tell her you're doing it after she's told you not to do it.

We need a special prayer sarc tag.

455 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:10:15pm
456 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:10:23pm

re: #346 Throbert McGee

LOL- you're analogy cracks me up.

457 recklessprocess  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:10:42pm

Please go digg it

458 recklessprocess  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:11:04pm

Oops, please go digg it here
[Link: digg.com...]

459 missouri boy  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:11:49pm

My wife showed me this info commercial about how only one dollar a day will support a child in the Congo........I sending all my kids over there.

460 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:12:39pm

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, if you are not familiar with Robeson singing "Old Man River," do check out the link upthread.

I did. I probably haven't heard him sing that in 20 yrs.
Wonderful.


So you honestly think that if a band slipped from S&ST into the Toreador Song anyone would notice?

461 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:13:36pm

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

"buzz" -

Politics apart, which were truly weird in the 1930's, Paul Robeson was a truly talented man.

-S-

462 Typicalwhitey  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:13:45pm

re: #451 Dr. Shalit

"T-W" -

LGF allows a lot of space, trust me on that one. Of course, if you were another "T-W" in the world, you would have been "KRAMDENED," Ralphie boy.

-S-

I was just teasing doc.
On the last thread, some were asking where everyone was, I posted " I am here"
Then I tried to post " at least I think I am" and it wouldn't post lol

463 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:14:15pm

re: #404 brainwizard73

If anyone else lives in Arizona...I am here on business...maybe someone can explain to me how human beings can live in this heat.

I think a roadrunner just burst into flames on I-10 south of Phoenix. I know.

I saw it happen.

We lose more roadrunners that way.

Heat? What heat? Oh, you're from out of town. Silly tourist, this is our winter. ;)
You get used to it somewhat. You then find a way to avoid going outside unecessarily....like when your house is on fire. Besides, in that situation it's cooler inside the burning house.

464 BBev  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:14:38pm

re: #448 missouri boy

This Irishman finds a magic lamp..rubs it and out pops a Genie.
Genie says "I"ll give you 3 wishes". The Irishman says "I want a pint of beer that never goes empty" Immediately, he has a pint in hand and as he drinks, it always fills back up!
The Genie says "What about the other 2 wishes?" The Irishman takes the pint from his lips and says "I'll have 2 more of these!"

Hell you need some good buddy's to drink with.

465 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:14:43pm

re: #449 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks. A ruling from the academic dean is always helpful.

Say, when you teach your students the Bard, do you just do the obvious pieces; Romeo/MacBeth/Much Ado/Hamlet or do you also include Richard III and Henry V?

I swear that if my Literature teacher had exposed me to Richard III and Henry V in high school and not concentrated on keeping the foppish theater/high school musical/avant garde types happy with (sorry) silly sonnets and some of the lighter parts of the above plays, I might have been an English major instead of a useless political science history major.

I think it is a gender thing: Boys (ones not in the above mentioned class of theater fops) like Richard III and Henry V...they have elements that boys understand and seem to gravitate towards.

You must mix and match within your curriculum, right?

466 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:14:44pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It seems there are some confused atheists out there too...
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAA

467 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:15:17pm

OT: Are there any experts that can opine on the legality of this?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

Just curious.

468 Empire1  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:17:33pm

re: #200 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Cool! I knew that there was something called the "Society for Creative Anarchy" or something like that, where they used to "joust". I'll try see it.

Society for Creative Anachronism. Not my thing, but a lot of folks seem to enjoy it.

469 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:19:38pm

re: #467 Pianobuff

Probably legal.

Probably not appropriate without a careful screening of the message before hand. You don't want to be the teacher/principal that gets nailed for indoctrination...even if you think the same way.

470 angst  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #466 debutaunt

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA A

More agnostics "believed in God" than "didn't know."
That's a HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, too.

471 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:23:27pm

re: #466 debutaunt

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA A

Was this poll taken in Florida? Just wondering...

472 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #462 Typicalwhitey

"T-W" -

I am subscribed to ZOGBY, took a survey today and after two questions regarding Nuclear Energy answered in the affirmative - LIKE, BUILD THEM - and sending those answers - got back an "ERROR PAGE" - stuff that makes you go "...hmmmm!..." I feel your "AURA."

-S-

473 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:24:18pm
474 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:24:25pm

re: #469 brainwizard73

Probably legal.

Probably not appropriate without a careful screening of the message before hand. You don't want to be the teacher/principal that gets nailed for indoctrination...even if you think the same way.

Given that one of the classes they want to contact is on "Political Thought and Radicalism" I suppose the white-noise generator is already cranked up to 10 anyway.

Thanks.

475 paxnhymn  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:26:19pm

re: #471 Hard Right

Was this poll taken in Florida? Just wondering...


an old military saying...there are no athiests in foxholes....there's a helluva lot more "foxholes" in the world than there used to be....

476 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:26:48pm

re: #465 brainwizard73

Thanks. A ruling from the academic dean is always helpful.

Say, when you teach your students the Bard, do you just do the obvious pieces; Romeo/MacBeth/Much Ado/Hamlet or do you also include Richard III and Henry V?

I swear that if my Literature teacher had exposed me to Richard III and Henry V in high school and not concentrated on keeping the foppish theater/high school musical/avant garde types happy with (sorry) silly sonnets and some of the lighter parts of the above plays, I might have been an English major instead of a useless political science history major.

I think it is a gender thing: Boys (ones not in the above mentioned class of theater fops) like Richard III and Henry V...they have elements that boys understand and seem to gravitate towards.

You must mix and match within your curriculum, right?

We teach Romeo and Juliet in 9th grade. The kids act the whole thing out in class, complete with foam swords. Of course I kept chiming in to be sure they "got" what was going on,

I love Richard III, especially the Ian McClellan Nazi version.

477 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:26:57pm

re: #471 Hard Right

I've seen similar results in polls regarding atheists before. The whole thing seems odd and I have no good explanation for it. I suspect people lie to pollsters on atheism for some odd reason.

478 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:27:16pm

re: #26 Nemo

MYSql is a very good dbms; ever give postgresql a try though? Both are great for the price but considering the traffic and data served up from your site, I wonder how performance would compare? From what I understand, Postgresql handles concurrency better. But I am unfamiliar with PHP support with it. For what that is worth. :)

I did look into postgresql, but I liked MySQL's feature set better. Plus, there's a lot more info online and in books for MySQL. Now that I've figured out how to tune the server, I'm really pleased with MySQL's performance.

479 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:28:14pm

re: #477 Killgore Trout

I've seen similar results in polls regarding atheists before. The whole thing seems odd and I have no good explanation for it. I suspect people lie to pollsters on atheism for some odd reason.

Weird.
Maybe they don't believe in pollsters?

480 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:28:26pm

re: #473 buzzsawmonkey

Yes he was. And although he was an apologist for Stalin, he also had the nerve to sing a Yiddish song at a concert in the Soviet Union to express solidarity with his Jewish artist friends who were being disappeared.

People forget, perhaps, that in its time the show Showboat was considered a powerful statement in favor of racial equality, and against Jim Crow. There is the subplot of the singer who is 1/32 black, who is forced to leave the showboat because of miscegenation laws--and who helps the heroine when she is down and out. "Old Man River" was intended as a statement against black oppression. When the heroine makes a hit towards the end of the show, she does so by using a "black song" in a white context.

I LOVE that show, and it's so refreshing to read a comment from someone who GETS IT. I've had more arguments with people who though the show was "racist."

481 brainwizard73  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:29:13pm

re: #476 goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks.

Plane boarding now...soon to be out of the heat of Arizona. Good luck all.

482 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:20pm

Gaza Truce Still Holding Strong Despite The Firing Of Mortors At Israel From Gaza.

ie: Don't worry.....Israel hasn't threatened the peace/calm yet.

This is in addition to the smuggling of weapons that is still ongoing

483 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:25pm
484 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:29pm

re: #473 buzzsawmonkey

"buzz" -

To make a long story short, my maternal Grandfather was a "left of center" small businessman, (Grocery Store). His (United Fruit) Banana Salesman was "Rosen the Communist." After the 1939 "Pact" - Grandfather reconsidered to say the least. Post-War, let's just say that Grandfather was a "Hagannah Enabler."

-S-

485 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:43pm

re: #471 Hard Right

Was this poll taken in Florida? Just wondering...

They thought they were voting for Al Gore.

486 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:49pm

re: #481 brainwizard73

Thanks.

Plane boarding now...soon to be out of the heat of Arizona. Good luck all.

Why don't you take a complimentary scorpion home as a present? We have tons of 'em.

487 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:30:55pm

re: #474 Pianobuff

Given that one of the classes they want to contact is on "Political Thought and Radicalism" I suppose the white-noise generator is already cranked up to 10 anyway.

Thanks.

And this class is in a high school?
A public school?

488 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:31:09pm

re: #438 JeremyR

Also with McCain we know he will never surrender since he can no longer lift his arms above his head. face high to block a sucker punch or jab yes, surrender, no.
(Some times I think thats just an excuse to explain why he is so tough as nails hard headed. He wouldn't raise em even if he could.)

:-)
No doubt about that.

489 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:31:52pm
490 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:32:40pm

re: #485 jcm

They thought they were voting for Al Gore.

They should have hung up on Chad.

491 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:33:32pm

"Get over it" says Obama ... to Hillary supporters!

"If women take a moment to realise that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it," he said, according to Congresswoman Yvette Clark.

The phrase "get over it" was viewed as dismissive by some of those present. "Don't use that terminology," Congresswoman Diane Watson told him.

492 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:34:21pm
493 Geepers  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:34:37pm

Violence in Iraq Drops to Four-Year Low

WASHINGTON, June 23, 2008 – Violence in Iraq dropped in May to its lowest level in four years, according to a Defense Department report released to Congress today.

The report highlighted that all major violent indicators dropped during the reporting period by as much as 80 percent.

Civilian deaths in May dropped to a two-year low.

Other assertions in the report include:

-- Expanded oil revenues are sufficient to support development and reconciliation programs;

-- The Iraqi economy is expected to grow by 7 percent this year;

-- Oil production is expected to increase by 10 percent this year;

-- Lower inflation has boosted Iraqi purchasing power and provided a more stable environment for private sector development. Core inflation dropped to 12 percent in 2007, down from 32 percent in 2006.

494 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:34:40pm

re: #491 itellu3times

um...wouldn't that be.....sweety, get over it!

495 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:34:41pm

re: #403 right_on_target

I swear there ain't no Heaven and pray there ain't no Hell!
Who sang that?

Mario Lanza.

496 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:35:00pm

re: #487 wolfie

And this class is in a high school?
A public school?

Well, it appears to be high school although it's not specific on public/private.

We had one political science offering when I was in HS, more overview stuff - and certainly not radicalism but that was a while ago so maybe things have changed.

497 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:35:11pm
498 bulwrk  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:36:25pm

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

thats an oldie

499 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:36:31pm
500 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:36:54pm

re: #476 goddessoftheclassroom

We teach Romeo and Juliet in 9th grade. The kids act the whole thing out in class, complete with foam swords. Of course I kept chiming in to be sure they "got" what was going on,

I love Richard III, especially the Ian McClellan Nazi version.

I had "studied" as opposed to "read", Romeo and Juliet in school a few times and remember watching a movie of it and being surprised that there was swordfighting. The teachers were much keener on all the "a rose by any other name would be as sweet..." stuff.

501 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:37:00pm

I've been very shocked lately that some of my links have gotten no to so little attention. Not because they are mine, but because I would have figured that these topics would have been of great interest to LGF. Is it lack of interest, or just fatigue on the Kiffeyeh and Israel issue?

502 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:37:09pm

Will Smith On Obama: 'First Time' in Years it’s Good to Be an American

Yep, that's what he meant.

Move over hamsters, now I'm feeling cranky, too.

503 Geepers  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:37:43pm

WrathofG-d (#482),

Gaza Truce Still Holding Strong Despite The Firing Of Mortors At Israel From Gaza.

That's an insultingly stupid headline.

504 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:38:58pm

re: #502 itellu3times

Will Smith On Obama: 'First Time' in Years it’s Good to Be an American

Yep, that's what he meant.

Move over hamsters, now I'm feeling cranky, too.

I read an interview years ago where Will Smith called America racist. He's just another hollywood a**hole. F*ck you WS.

505 Lively  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:39:09pm

re: #502 itellu3times

Will Smith On Obama: 'First Time' in Years it’s Good to Be an American

Yep, that's what he meant.

Move over hamsters, now I'm feeling cranky, too.

Him and Michelle. Two peas in a pod.

/no more Will Smith movies for me.

506 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:39:10pm

re: #492 buzzsawmonkey

What clueless folk have you been talking to?

This was some time ago. Sadly, many people think they know things because they've heard them.

507 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:39:30pm

re: #488 Stuck-in-CA

"Stuckster" -

As a Patriotic American, Sen. John S. McCain has NO PEER, and NOTHING to PROVE. I disagree with him on some policy matters. I will take the "ED KOCH" position here - AS - If you agree with me on 8 or 9 things out of 12 - VOTE for ME - If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 - See a Psychiatrist.
Sen. McCain is working his way from 6-7 out of 12 to at least an "8," I will therefore vote for him.

-S-

508 Lively  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:40:01pm

re: #501 WrathofG-d

I've been very shocked lately that some of my links have gotten no to so little attention. Not because they are mine, but because I would have figured that these topics would have been of great interest to LGF. Is it lack of interest, or just fatigue on the Kiffeyeh and Israel issue?


If you put them up there in that link viewer, I never have time to look up there......

509 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:40:48pm

re: #502 itellu3times

Will Smith On Obama: 'First Time' in Years it’s Good to Be an American

Yep, that's what he meant.

Move over hamsters, now I'm feeling cranky, too.

Maybe he's just angling for an upcoming starring role in the blockbuster hope and change movie.

510 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:40:53pm

re: #500 David IV of Georgia

I had "studied" as opposed to "read", Romeo and Juliet in school a few times and remember watching a movie of it and being surprised that there was swordfighting. The teachers were much keener on all the "a rose by any other name would be as sweet..." stuff.

I was lucky to have had an excellent ninth grade English teacher who taught "Romeo and Juliet" well, though I remember that we all had to get something signed from our parents to allow us to watch the movie because of some extremely brief nudity. Later she showed us a considerably more prurient film version of "Midsummer's Night Dream" and dispensed with notifying anyone.

511 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:40:59pm

re: #503 Geepers

WrathofG-d (#482),

That's an insultingly stupid headline.

It's proof that morons can get journalism degrees while avoiding being educated.

512 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:41:30pm

re: #504 Hard Right

I read an interview years ago where Will Smith called America racist. He's just another hollywood a**hole. F*ck you WS.

If America is [deleted] racist how come millions of CTWP go see you in your movies?

513 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:41:53pm

re: #509 Pianobuff

Maybe he's just angling for an upcoming starring role in the blockbuster hope and change movie.

Or Spike Lee's next movie:
White Devils and their Joooooo Masters.
/

514 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:42:04pm

re: #512 jcm

If America is [deleted] racist how come millions of CTWP go see you in your movies?

White Guilt, obviously.

515 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:42:32pm

re: #500 David IV of Georgia

I had "studied" as opposed to "read", Romeo and Juliet in school a few times and remember watching a movie of it and being surprised that there was swordfighting. The teachers were much keener on all the "a rose by any other name would be as sweet..." stuff.

OH, I had SO much fun with this! In addition to the characters, I had the kids be the set, too--doorways, trees, flowers, walls, even the balcony.

I had little props and costume accents, too. The kids really KNEW that play when we were done.

516 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:42:54pm

re: #477 Killgore Trout

I've seen similar results in polls regarding atheists before. The whole thing seems odd and I have no good explanation for it. I suspect people lie to pollsters on atheism for some odd reason.

Maybe they don't even believe in the question.

517 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:43:19pm

re: #503 Geepers


Ok 1st the headline used for the link was mine, not the actual headline.

It was an "inside" joke of sorts. I was trying to poke fun at the fact that the Truce has been broken, but noone is calling it such. If you have been following the conflict then you know that noone calls a truce between Israel and the Arabs "broken" until Israel is forced to respond. That was the joke I was trying to point out. Both parties will consider the "hudna" to still be in place despite the fact that Israel is being fired at.

518 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:43:37pm

re: #513 Hard Right

Or Spike Lee's next movie:
White Devils and their Joooooo Masters.
/

How about Chocolate City Slickers?

519 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:43:38pm
520 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:43:48pm

re: #503 Geepers

I'm impressed they actually held the truce for four days.

521 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:44:56pm

re: #510 Lucius Septimius

I was lucky to have had an excellent ninth grade English teacher who taught "Romeo and Juliet" well, though I remember that we all had to get something signed from our parents to allow us to watch the movie because of some extremely brief nudity. Later she showed us a considerably more prurient film version of "Midsummer's Night Dream" and dispensed with notifying anyone.

I was amazed at how many kids picked up on the sexuality in R&J. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm so naive! To their credit, they asked me whether what they though Shakespeare was saying was really what he was saying very respectfully, and I answered them truthfully--Shakespeare knew how to keep the groundlings interested...

522 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:45:41pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

This one's for you Buddha boy.

523 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:46:00pm
524 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:46:00pm

re: #508 Lively

No, I put them in the threads. I had one of a CNN executive (I believe) working for Anderson Cooper and wearing a no-mistake b&W Kiffeyeh. It got ZERO traction. (a sort of Kiffeyeh on a "cook" selling donuts is important, but a CNN head honcho wearing it...gets nothing)

I also had a link about Olmert stating that Alliyah should not longer be emphasized by Jewish groups. He pretty much states in the article that "the mass immigration movement is over....so start worrying about the diaspora".

Maybe I should just get my own blog (ha! as if I have the time or computer know how)

525 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:46:15pm

re: #512 jcm

If America is [deleted] racist how come millions of CTWP go see you in your movies?

Exactly. Just because he experienced some racism in his life, the whole country must be racist according to him.
I'm a Latino that looks white. If went by the times I was openly abused based solely on my race, I would think almost every African-American and Hispanic was racist.
Unlike WS, I understand there are and always will be a small number of such scum in the world and that it is not a reflection on society or this country.

526 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:46:24pm

re: #510 Lucius Septimius

I was lucky to have had an excellent ninth grade English teacher who taught "Romeo and Juliet" well, though I remember that we all had to get something signed from our parents to allow us to watch the movie because of some extremely brief nudity. Later she showed us a considerably more prurient film version of "Midsummer's Night Dream" and dispensed with notifying anyone.

I saw the Romeo and Juliet film you speak of in my high school senior English class. I also saw on that same TV in the same English class John Hinkley shoot Ronald Reagan.

527 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:47:55pm

Have a great day LGF, I"m out for now. (just in case anyone cared)

528 BGOH  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:47:57pm

Hey everyone. Are the hamsters back under Charles' iron-fisted control?

529 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:48:32pm

re: #518 Pianobuff

How about Chocolate City Slickers?

Even better. +1

530 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:48:57pm

re: #527 WrathofG-d

Ciao, babe.

531 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:49:06pm

re: #527 WrathofG-d

Have a great day LGF, I"m out for now. (just in case anyone cared)

{WrathofG-d}
OF COURSE we care! Have a great evening!

532 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:49:28pm

re: #530 Lucius Septimius

Ciao, babe.

The Cult
Sonic Temple

533 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:49:43pm

re: #514 Lucius Septimius

White Guilt, obviously.

Heh!

Denzell Washington said something similar awhile back. I for one find the statements insulting.

534 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:49:44pm

re: #519 buzzsawmonkey

"buzz"

Ca Plus le change, le meme chose (Loosely Translated, "The More Things Change, the More they Remain the Same") - generally Attributed to Nostrdamus - OR - "MEET the NEW BOSS - SAME as the OLD BOSS (Won't Get Fooled Again)" Peter Townshend, ca. 1970.

-S-

535 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:50:19pm

re: #522 Sharmuta

Wow, haven't heard that one in ages.

536 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:52:25pm

re: #533 jcm

Heh!

Denzell Washington said something similar awhile back. I for one find the statements insulting.

Not merely insulting, but downright bigoted and......dare I say it?.....racist.

537 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:53:01pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Well- the Buddha figure just made me think of you.

538 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:53:28pm

For those interested: there were some bloated log files in both the Apache and MySQL server directories, and also a whole lot of meaningless session files. We cleaned them out ("cat /dev/null > *_log" does it quick) and restarted Apache and MySQL, and things are better again.

Sort of a case of hamster constipation, you might say.

539 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:55:18pm

Don't tell me there are still YECs in that last science teacher thread.

540 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:56:17pm

re: #538 Charles

For those interested: there were some bloated log files in both the Apache and MySQL server directories, and also a whole lot of meaningless session files. We cleaned them out ("cat /dev/null > *_log" does it quick) and restarted Apache and MySQL, and things are better again.

Sort of a case of hamster constipation, you might say.

Is cat/dev/nul a harsh chemical laxative, or a gentle over night one? People for the Ethical Treatment of Hamsters want to know.

541 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:56:43pm

re: #538 Charles

For those interested: there were some bloated log files in both the Apache and MySQL server directories, and also a whole lot of meaningless session files. We cleaned them out ("cat /dev/null > *_log" does it quick) and restarted Apache and MySQL, and things are better again.

Sort of a case of hamster constipation, you might say.

I advise lotsa' lettuce and carrots.

542 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:57:25pm

re: #541 MandyManners

I advise lotsa' lettuce and carrots.

Don't forget the oat bran.

543 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 4:57:32pm

re: #538 Charles

Charles -

Glad that "Stinky" and the other Hamsters are no longer "Vershtopped."

-S-

544 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #404 brainwizard73

If anyone else lives in Arizona...I am here on business...maybe someone can explain to me how human beings can live in this heat.

I think a roadrunner just burst into flames on I-10 south of Phoenix. I know.

I saw it happen.

No, the roadrunner was hit with the new Acme RoadRunner Fryer Laser.

545 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:02:08pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

It seems there are some confused atheists out there too...
New Pew survey: 21% of atheists believe in God

This might make you feel better.

57% of Evangelical Christians were willing to accept that theirs might not be the only path to salvation.

546 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:08:13pm

re: #542 Lucius Septimius

Do Hamsters get enemas?

547 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:08:17pm

Much as I like this site, I have to register a complaint.
Never have understood why LGF doesn't come with a disclaimer reflecting it's addictiveness.

548 wolfie  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:09:07pm

Okay, here's a science question!

You ever notice that people from Colorado explain that their state is turning left because of California moonbats moving in? North Carolinians blame growing leftism on Carpetbagging commies. Vermonters bemoan the conquest of their state by Massachusetts moonbats. Virginians tremble over the Red creep spilling in from DC.

It would seem that moonbats come into sane areas from the lunar regions, but there is no concommitant migration of the sane to the moonbat lands. And although we have reason to believe that the sane reproduce at as high a rate as the moonbats do, the relative proportion of idiotarians grows apace.

Are we dealing with a virus or a bacterium?
Cancer?
Teenage mutant ninja fungus?

549 Dustyvet  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:10:09pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

I told you--Purina Hamster Chow is the only thing!

A Hamster just popped out of my mini tower holding a small picket sign reading:


Management Unfair to Labor! Hamster Local #1644

550 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:10:20pm

re: #546 MandyManners

Itty-bitty ones.

551 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:10:29pm
552 G'day Mate  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:11:08pm

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

553 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:11:44pm

re: #319 The Other Les

That's an African-American Hole, sir!

I already did that joke, way way upthread.

But the more that I think about it, he's more like a burnt-out light bulb. Either empty inside or full of gas, not very enlightening, and when you see him, you really want CHANGE.

554 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:11:55pm
555 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:12:44pm

Charles, I think I may have found a bug/hiccup. On the home page, the rating box and the little drop-down menu for spinoff links do not appear unless I click on the link for one of the drop-down menus in the left sidebar. When I do that, the page reloads and all the drop-down menus work again. However, if I just reload the home page without clicking one of the sidebar menus, the spinoff link menu and rating box don't show up. This has been happening for a couple of days, even after I clear the cache; FWIW, I'm using Firefox 3 with Vista.

556 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:13:00pm

re: #554 jcm

Good thing they are outside

557 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:13:20pm

re: #404 brainwizard73

If anyone else lives in Arizona...I am here on business...maybe someone can explain to me how human beings can live in this heat.

It's terrible from May to October. I lived there for 14 yrs. You will notice all the people at the bus stops standing shoulder to shoulder in a diagonal line across the sidewalk. They are trying to get relief from the 1" wide line of shade the bus sign is creating. And that's no lie. People flood their lawns to irrigate because the water from a sprinkler will evaporate before it hits the ground. Even the scorpions complain in the summer.

558 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:14:02pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

For every one of asswipes like that, there are 100 like this.

559 NoSpam  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:14:08pm

re: #513 Hard Right

Or Spike Lee's next movie:
White Devils and their Joooooo Masters.
/

Don't forget the stoopid I-talians...

/Ugh, his movies make me angry. *channeling Family Guy* "That's about as realistic as a white man's dialogue in a Spike Lee movie."

560 hermeneutics  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:14:22pm

re: #548 wolfie

Okay, here's a science question!

You ever notice that people from Colorado explain that their state is turning left because of California moonbats moving in? North Carolinians blame growing leftism on Carpetbagging commies. Vermonters bemoan the conquest of their state by Massachusetts moonbats. Virginians tremble over the Red creep spilling in from DC.

A serious answer here. Don't you think that people are self-sorting into regions where they feel comfortable? But not fairly. Conservatives are huddling in what were once liberal-free-zones ... but now the darn liberals are fleeing their own political messes and trying to mess up ours. There's nowhere left to go, Wolfie. Plant your flag and defend your turf.

Good luck.

561 hermeneutics  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:15:42pm

re: #557 Stuck-in-CA

It's terrible from May to October. I lived there for 14 yrs. You will notice all the people at the bus stops standing shoulder to shoulder in a diagonal line across the sidewalk. They are trying to get relief from the 1" wide line of shade the bus sign is creating. And that's no lie. People flood their lawns to irrigate because the water from a sprinkler will evaporate before it hits the ground. Even the scorpions complain in the summer.

I'm here for two days and Phoenix is hellish. Those who can leave for the summer do so. For whatever it is worth, from Sept 15 to June 15 is gorgeous ... the rest of the time it is hell.

562 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:18:00pm

re: #552 G'day Mate
That guy is a indecent human.
Conversely,
You ever listen to Beccy Cole? Poster Girl. I purchased her cd.
Took about 3 weeks to get shipped from down under, but worth the wait.

563 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:18:20pm

re: #502 itellu3times

Will Smith On Obama: 'First Time' in Years it’s Good to Be an American

Yep, that's what he meant.

Move over hamsters, now I'm feeling cranky, too.


Yeah...the Russians, French, etc. are all really happy at the idea of having a weak President they can push around and control. I'd be happy too if I were them.

564 Alouette  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:18:46pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

What a fucking slimebag.

565 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:19:07pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

What a shitbag

566 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:20:14pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

Sorry as hell I was dumb enough to click that link.

I don't have the vocabulary to describe that bit of bi-pedal feces in socially acceptable language.

Reccommend that anyone who does, be forewarned--it's vile.

567 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:21:37pm

re: #508 Lively

If you put them up there in that link viewer, I never have time to look up there......

funny, ever since the link viewer, I rarely come to the threads anymore. There are so many great articles up there.

568 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:22:00pm

re: #566 irongrampa

It's vile within the first ten seconds. The asshole refers to those buried in the military cemetery as "so-called heroes." I didn't get much past one minute.

569 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:22:17pm

re: #548 wolfie

Okay, here's a science question!

You ever notice that people from Colorado explain that their state is turning left because of California moonbats moving in? North Carolinians blame growing leftism on Carpetbagging commies. Vermonters bemoan the conquest of their state by Massachusetts moonbats. Virginians tremble over the Red creep spilling in from DC.

It would seem that moonbats come into sane areas from the lunar regions, but there is no concommitant migration of the sane to the moonbat lands. And although we have reason to believe that the sane reproduce at as high a rate as the moonbats do, the relative proportion of idiotarians grows apace.

Are we dealing with a virus or a bacterium?
Cancer?
Teenage mutant ninja fungus?

There is something the reproduction arguement folks haven't considered.
Because moobati do not reproduce as vigorously as the sane, they need other ways of building their numbers. Namely: Indoctrination at every turn. The schools, news, and entertainment are their primary vehicles for brainwashing.

570 Charles  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:22:51pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

Michael Crook is a twisted little person who's well-known for these kinds of stunts. A weasel with mental problems, and a pathological need for attention. Linking to him and talking about him is what he wants. Just sayin'.

571 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:22:53pm

re: #568 Fat Jolly Penguin

Didn't watch the entire piece of shit either.

572 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:23:02pm

re: #509 Pianobuff

Maybe he's just angling for an upcoming starring role in the blockbuster hope and change movie.

Maybe he figures he's a shoe-in to play Obama in the made-for-TV-movie about the black man who ALMOST became President. It airs right after he loses the election.

573 dustyvet  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:24:04pm

re: #558 jcm

For every one of asswipes like that, there are 100 like this.

Mr. Crook should try this little trick at any Veterans Hospital in the United States with live Veterans, I can guarantee the son of a bitch won't leave under his own power.

574 NoSpam  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:24:18pm

re: #552 G'day Mate

As a former member of the Australian armed forces and the grand son of a man who proudly served alongside the US military in the Pacific during WW2, I cannot properly articulate the rage I feel inside of me about the content of this video.

It is one of the most sickening things I have ever seen.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

To all Americans I would say that if this is representative of leftists in your country, you are doomed.

Soros Handpuppet...

About thirty seconds of that and I had to turn it off because I swear I was about to smash my laptop with my fist.

Unfortunately, far too many of them *are* like that. When I was in college (and dressed like a combat goth) I would frequently be approached by these mindless-sounding tools who were handing out flyers (for the DNP, I believe, as they seemed fairly organized) who would chitter away about how I should "help them save the world from George W. Bush*"

I would usually just growl at them to go away and I looked intimidating enough for them to listen, but sometimes I got one like that little snit in the video. Those awful memes are so seared into their brains that they're just physically incapable of thinking outside the little box they've stuffed themselves in. The douchebag in that video probably thinks he's being hip and edgy, too. I was often torn between feeling sorry for them and wanting to grab them, tape their eyelids open, and force them to sit and watch a tape reel of every Reagan speech ever given set to loop.


*Though I guess I should have given them credit for not using some variant of Chimpy McBushcohitlerburton...*sigh*

575 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:24:32pm

re: #512 jcm

If America is [deleted] racist how come millions of CTWP go see you in your movies?


I think you meant..."USE TO go see you in your movies".

576 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:24:52pm

re: #493 Geepers

Violence in Iraq Drops to Four-Year Low

[and a bunch of positive economic reports elided]

I blame Bush! If he hadn't overthrown Saddam, we wouldn't be oppressing these people under the yoke of capitalism!

577 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:25:08pm

re: #565 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What a shitbag

Crook makes a habit of being a shit.

578 NoSpam  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:25:40pm

re: #558 jcm


Ahhh, sanity. *heartbeat slowing. Blood pressure, subsiding...*

579 NoSpam  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:28:33pm

re: #577 jcm

THREAD NEEDS MORE HAPPY

/Rock on, PW.

580 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:30:12pm

re: #578 NoSpam

Ahhh, sanity. *heartbeat slowing. Blood pressure, subsiding...*

Crook is a spoiled narcissistic little shit, who found he can get his 15 seconds with that kind of stunt.

581 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:31:17pm

Heading for a different thread--how irritating can a mother fish be?

582 G'day Mate  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:32:08pm

Sorry to all for raising the topic, I was just so upset by what that P.O.S posted. I just cant think of any much lower.

jcm, thanks for the link to the patriot guard riders, made me feel a lot better.

583 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:32:37pm

re: #561 hermeneutics

I'm here for two days and Phoenix is hellish. Those who can leave for the summer do so. For whatever it is worth, from Sept 15 to June 15 is gorgeous ... the rest of the time it is hell.

Every other license plate in San Diego is from the state of Arizona from June to Sept. In the winter Phx gets the "snowbirds" from the cold states. In the summer San Diego gets the "sun birds" from Phx.

584 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:32:44pm

re: #579 NoSpam

THREAD NEEDS MORE HAPPY

[Link: youtube.com...]

/Rock on, PW.

Operation Support Our Troops

585 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:36:57pm

re: #582 G'day Mate

Sorry to all for raising the topic, I was just so upset by what that P.O.S posted. I just cant think of any much lower.

jcm, thanks for the link to the patriot guard riders, made me feel a lot better.

Don't be sorry. The good people of the US are too busy with family, faith and work, those folks by in large are thankful.

586 Carridine  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:37:40pm

Talkin' about hamsters...

My wife calls me to help, urgency in her voice... I drop everything, and rush to the front porch where masses of red ants are overwhelming 3 unfortunate hamsters...

I mean, 30 ants biting down on one hamster... so I grab one, and de-bug it in about 45 seconds, then spray the cage and environs with bug-spray, then grab the third hamster and pluck-&-kill red ants as fast as I can...

We changed the wood-chips, gently bathed the poor animals, and this morning two of them were bouncy and chipper, the third may have lost his eyes...

It was a new phenomenon, we've never seen ants swarming like this, taking down LIVE animals...

587 Stuck-in-CA  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:38:39pm

re: #582 G'day Mate

Sorry to all for raising the topic, I was just so upset by what that P.O.S posted. I just cant think of any much lower.

.

I had to turn it off within 10 seconds because my blood started boiling and I was afraid I would add to the global warming. I take comfort knowing that disgusting POS is going straight to hell.

588 Dustyvet  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:49:03pm

re: #586 Carridine

Talkin' about hamsters...

My wife calls me to help, urgency in her voice... I drop everything, and rush to the front porch where masses of red ants are overwhelming 3 unfortunate hamsters...

I mean, 30 ants biting down on one hamster... so I grab one, and de-bug it in about 45 seconds, then spray the cage and environs with bug-spray, then grab the third hamster and pluck-&-kill red ants as fast as I can...

We changed the wood-chips, gently bathed the poor animals, and this morning two of them were bouncy and chipper, the third may have lost his eyes...

It was a new phenomenon, we've never seen ants swarming like this, taking down LIVE animals...


No there's a thought, Michael Crook and a half million red ants...

589 jcm  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:50:48pm

re: #588 Dustyvet

No there's a thought, Michael Crook and a half million red ants...

Now you're on to something. With a squad of Marines with a fire hose standing nearby..... he'd just have to apologize.... and they'd walk away.

590 Fredlike  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 5:57:35pm

re: #586 Carridine

I thought hamsters were house critters.

Also where every you live I think I'll stay a way. We had hordes of those miniature ants a couple of years a go, but other than being a pain to get rid off I never felt my life threatened.

The latest Indiana Jones has a bit overdone eating of people by ants seen. sorta like the one in the Mummy with the beetles.

591 Dustyvet  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 6:04:21pm

re: #590 Fredlike

I thought hamsters were house critters.

Also where every you live I think I'll stay a way. We had hordes of those miniature ants a couple of years a go, but other than being a pain to get rid off I never felt my life threatened.

The latest Indiana Jones has a bit overdone eating of people by ants seen. sorta like the one in the Mummy with the beetles.

Beatles have mums...:)

592 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 6:13:01pm

re: #456 Sharmuta

LOL- your analogy cracks me up.

I wasn't necessarily trying to be funny -- I'm just a relentless proselytizer for The Music Man, and love recommending it to anyone who didn't re-watch the movie three million times growing up. (But only the Robert Preston version -- accept no imitations!)

593 justadot  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 6:39:45pm

re: #285 Charles

Those three five won't be missed.

594 Carridine  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 6:47:22pm

re: #590 Fredlike
Well, Fredlike, I live in suburban Bangkok, and we've been putting the hamster cages out on the front porch for 3 months now, no problem...

But if your ants where you live are giving you a problem, use the Aspartame trick... sprinkle some aspartame where your ants congregate, and they'll take it into their nests, and DIE.

Sweet and simple.

595 NoSpam  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 7:02:35pm

re: #594 Carridine

Well, Fredlike, I live in suburban Bangkok, and we've been putting the hamster cages out on the front porch for 3 months now, no problem...

But if your ants where you live are giving you a problem, use the Aspartame trick... sprinkle some aspartame where your ants congregate, and they'll take it into their nests, and DIE.

Sweet and simple.

I've also heard that drawing a thick circle of chalk around what areas you want to keep free of ants works pretty well too, but you have to get good coverage (like chalk lines on a sports field)

596 winston06  Mon, Jun 23, 2008 9:49:53pm

Frustrating

597 Throbert McGee  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 1:57:17pm

re: #323 Occasional Reader

Not necessarily lying. I know people who claim to be "atheists", but then will say "of course, I believe in some sort of greater power, etc.". I think they're just unclear on the definition, basically.

Not necessarily a lie OR unclearness on the definition -- it could be that they're just going by a different definition than you are.

The main thing to keep in mind is that "atheism" doesn't refer to a clearly specifiable set of doctrines, like "Hassidic Judaism" or "Mormonism." It's a broad, umbrella term just like "theism" is, and like "theism" it can apply to a pretty diverse bunch of worldviews.

Anyway, when some people say "I'm an atheist but I believe in some sort of higher power," it's possible that what they really mean is something along these lines:

I was raised Catholic, but I now totally deny the existence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, because I think that a 3-in-1 Deity makes as much sense as invisible pink unicorns. I looked into Judaism, but I honestly doubt that there's a G-d as depicted in the Torah, either. However, I am still optimistic that the universe is overseen by a Benevolent, Eternal Intelligence -- a "God" of the kind that Deists like Thomas Jefferson sorta/kinda believed in.

Of course, there is the alternative possibility that the self-described "atheist who believes in God" has just taken some massive bong hits.

One way to be sure is to get a bunch of your favorite snack crackers (I recommend Triscuits), top them with a mix of chocolate cake frosting and dry cat food, and offer some to the apparently confused god-believing atheist. If he gobbles them up and wants seconds? Diagnosis: Stoned out of his gourd! But if not, he probably just has a really nuanced take on where to draw the lines among atheism, agnosticism, Spinoza-style pantheism, Deism, etc.


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