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Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:06:44 pm PDT

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

Richard Feynman

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1 sadhu  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:28pm

who is the knower?

2 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:33pm
Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

I have no idea what he said so am I following his example?

3 RTLM  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:39pm
4 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #1 sadhu

who is the knower?


that's not the knower I knew

5 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:34pm

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?”

While others will probably vote for McCain.

6 kawabunga  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:35pm

I have his lecture series. A genius.

7 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:53pm

On vacation in the Wisconsin Dells this week with the family. Some of you may have seen where the torrential rains washed away a highway and surrounding land and drained a lake. Saw it today from the river and it was insane. Mother nature sure is a bitch when she gets pissed.

8 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:10:48pm
9 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:11:27pm

I know!
- The Shadow

I know nothing!
- Sgt Schultz

10 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:11:38pm

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

11 kansas  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:12:42pm

Headline
Rocket Attacks Threaten Mideast Truce

In other words, Israel might respond, but until they do the "truce" holds.
Shit.

12 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:06pm

re: #10 angst

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

Well you can know where it is but nothing else. If you know anything else, you don't know where it is.

13 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:11pm

re: #10 angst

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

They can't even tell you if the damn cat is alive or dead. That takes a biologist.

14 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:21pm

How did Obama get to know? How does anyone know Obama?

15 kansas  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:24pm

re: #9 The Shadow Do

I know!
- The Shadow

I know nothing!
- Sgt Schultz


Me neither.

Barack Obama

16 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:39pm

re: #5 solomonpanting

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?”

While others will probably vote for McCain.

What better choice is there? Barr? Mmmm, no. Obama, Mmmmm no.

17 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:52pm

re: #14 DesertSage

How did Obama get to know? How does anyone know Obama?

I know Obama knows nothing.

18 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:04pm

More madness from the State Department

The U.S. government is considering sending envoys to Iran for the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution to boost contact between the two nations.
The U.S. State Department was considering opening a so-called interests section in Tehran to handle such issues as visa processing and other consular services, Financial Times reported Tuesday.


Looks like it's up to the Israeli to destroy the Iranian reactors because this sounds like we won't

19 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:11pm

re: #12 jcm

Well you can know where it is but nothing else. If you know anything else, you don't know where it is.

Well, that's one of the many possible states of knowing.

20 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:50pm

One.
We are one.
One is the beginning.
Are you one , Herbert ?

21 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:06pm
22 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:21pm
"As early as February 1997, mega-speculator George Soros's Quantum Fund started attacking Thailand's currency, the baht, and by June-July, it was taking short positions against (i.e., betting on the fall of) the Philippines peso, the Indonesian rupiah, and the Malaysian ringgit, which sent the currencies falling by 40-70% percent. On July 28, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad called Soros a ``criminal.''

The (Wall Street) Journal leapt to Soros's defense. It ran, on the front page of its Sept. 19 Asian and European editions, an article entitled ``Malaysia's Mahathir Finds Strange Source for Soros Campaign; Asian Country's Media Tap U.S. Conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche Jr.'' The Journal wrote that much of the information that the friends of Mahathir in Malaysia have used to skewer Soros, came from EIR and Lyndon LaRouche. The Journal perhaps thought that presenting the Mahathir-LaRouche relationship would be damaging to Mahathir. Indeed, what it did, was to draw the battle lines between Soros, speculator hit-man for the British Commonwealth, and LaRouche, whose record of accurate economic forecasts for 40 years is well known, and whose plan for a development-vectored new world monetary system, would destroy the financier oligarchy.

"

23 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:40pm

Al Gore is currently smiling in an ad in the side bar! He is looking slimmer and more tanned, probably because of global warming. He knows everything./

25 ted  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:59pm

I think he plagiarized this from Stinky Beaumont's dissertation on Existential Philosophy.

26 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:16:42pm
“How can you live without knowing?”

The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. If that isn't already a quote, I'll claim that one. That pretty much describes how I feel about things.

27 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:16:48pm

re: #23 snowcrash

That's got to be an old photo of Al.

28 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:17:18pm

re: #19 angst

Well, that's one of the many possible states of knowing.

Know it all!

29 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:17:47pm

re: #23 snowcrash

But what do I know.

30 wolfie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:18:03pm

re: #11 kansas

Headline
Rocket Attacks Threaten Mideast Truce
In other words, Israel might respond, but until they do the "truce" holds.
Shit.


ROFL ! I bet the MSMer who wrote that headline thinks it's sane!

31 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:18:25pm

re: #24 Typicalwhitey

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

32 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:24pm

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

33 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:32pm

The more I know, the less I know I know.

34 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #28 jcm

Know it all!

One of my many possible states of being. Albeit vanishingly unlikely.
That's what I love about quantum physics. Anything is possible, including the possibility that I have a clue.

35 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:00pm

re: #32 zombie

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

You rang?

36 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:45pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

maybe he just hates zombies

37 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:47pm

re: #33 ggt

The more I know, the less I know I know.

That is one of the most important things to know.
The other is to know what you don't know.

38 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:49pm

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

39 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:21:15pm

re: #27 jaunte
No, I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of global warming. He is tan and hungry. I'm not an intellectual heavyweight like Al but I can connect the dots!/

40 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:21:55pm

re: #31 Mich-again

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money? I want to know, and if Uncle Sam is going to pick up the tab for the deadbeats, what about those of us that managed to pay on-time, every-time.

41 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:07pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

But, isn't that law anti-capitalist, and pretty much a restriction on our freedoms?

42 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:08pm

re: #33 ggt

The more I know, the less I know I know.

That's the agnostics' credo!

43 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:09pm

re: #9 The Shadow Do

thanks for quoting my distant relative

plus one!

44 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #32 zombie

Men as smart as Feynman aren't jerks, they are eccentric.

45 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:35pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

I only read "Six Easy Pieces," I never saw the lectures. The book was okay, as far as I could understand it.

46 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #38 DesertSage


So the speculators take their action outside the US. What are these guys thinking?

47 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:52pm

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money? I want to know, and if Uncle Sam is going to pick up the tab for the deadbeats, what about those of us that managed to pay on-time, every-time.

Screwed again

48 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #37 jcm

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

49 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:24pm

re: #41 Mars Needs Neocons

But, isn't that law anti-capitalist, and pretty much a restriction on our freedoms?

yep, I forgot my sarcasm tag.

50 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:54pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

It's on Fox Business, the majority will never see it. All of the minority will.

51 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:16pm

re: #44 Neo Con since 9-11

Men as smart as Feynman aren't jerks, they are eccentric.

An English teacher of mine once said that rich people are not crazy, they are eccentric. Only the poor are considered crazy.

52 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:25pm

re: #49 DesertSage

yep, I forgot my sarcasm tag.

And I forgot to mention that mine was just stating the Democratic party platform.

53 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:30pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

We could have CA coast, FL coast, and other Gulf Coast fields on line in less than a year. If Congress lifts the moratoriums.

54 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:30pm

re: #37 jcm

That is one of the most important things to know.
The other is to know what you don't know.

One of my favorite songs EVER:

Justin Hinds And The Dominoes - Save A Bread

Today can be gladness, mister, you don't know
Tomorrow can be sadness, sister, you don't know
What makes the world go round, round and round?
You'll never know, you don't know

So save a bread, mister, save it for the future
Save a bread, sister, because things will be better
You know not the minute nor the hour man shall come
You know not the minute nor the hour, the time is now

What you know, you know, and what you don't know, you don't know
The greatest thing is to know that what you don't know, you don't know
Anywhere you go, what you don't know, you don't know

55 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:50pm

re: #31 Mich-again

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

Actually, I think they're behind the copper theft plague. There's a lot of campaign funding that could come from that.

Smash & Grab For Obama! ;)

56 winston06  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:52pm

have a good night every body

57 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:02pm

re: #48 Mich-again

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

The trick lies in knowing the difference.

58 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:14pm

Additional quotes attributed to Richard Feynman:


The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

There is a computer disease that anybody who works with computers knows about. It's a very serious disease and it interferes completely with the work. The trouble with computers is that you 'play' with them!

59 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:15pm

re: #45 angst

I only read "Six Easy Pieces," I never saw the lectures. The book was okay, as far as I could understand it.

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

60 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:16pm

re: #48 Mich-again

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

Then there's t the known, the unknown, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns?

Donald made sense to me. I don't know why everyone thought that was so funny.

61 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:23pm

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

62 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:41pm

OOOOOOH, it's on YouTube!

Justin Hinds & The Dominoes - 'Save a Bread'

A classic!

63 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:43pm

re: #46 jaunte

who speculates the speculators?

64 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:53pm

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money?

I'd have to say yes. Because if you can still make your house note you must be one of those evil capitalistic "winners in life's lottery".

65 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:26:32pm

re: #47 Creeping Eruption

Screwed again

Responsibility sucks.

66 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:26:55pm

re: #61 schultzw

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

I though we already had one. It is called the Department of Defense.

67 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:07pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

I wondered where the hell that title came from. I have to admit, popular culture is not my strong point!

68 protestshooter  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:14pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

Had a cool van though. (Feynman diagrams on the side and license place QUANTUM). It was kind of famous in the 'hood.

69 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:29pm

re: #61 schultzw

"Meaningful levels of humanitarian aid and development aid would also be central to the Dept."
Whether the taxed agree or not. Because it's for Peace!

70 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:41pm

re: #60 angst

Then there's t the known, the unknown, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns?

Donald made sense to me. I don't know why everyone thought that was so funny.

I heard Donald on that, and said "damn straight!" Those who make fun, don't understand.

71 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:45pm

re: #61 schultzw

Department of Peace = US Marines.

We already got them.

72 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:26pm

re: #53 jcm

We could have CA coast, FL coast, and other Gulf Coast fields on line in less than a year. If Congress lifts the moratoriums.

All the congress would have to do is give the OK o drill in those areas and the speculative price of crude would drop by half.
Laws against speculation would only backfire and make things worse.

73 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

Some folks think that peace is the opposite of war. Therefore, due to this, they want to all hold hands and sing kumbayah while waiting for the Bush Legacy tour to come.

74 formercorpsman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:50pm

re: #59 DesertSage

One of the best.

75 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:00pm

re: #37 jcm

I will tell you that sometimes I suprise myself with what I know. Or rather, what I remember. It's always suprising to remember something you didn't know you knew.

76 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:02pm
It isn't what you know, it's who you blow.

monica Lewinsky

77 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:09pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

I say pass the law - but it expires in 60 days. If it works leave it. If not - oh well.

78 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:24pm

re: #63 schultzw

I hesitate to speculate on mankind's drive to peculate.

79 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:52pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk
Bill Whittle posted an essay a while back showing how, at a certain point, when scofflaws become too numerous, it is in the individual's self-interest to GO WITH THEM!

/and then social order collapses...

80 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:27pm

re: #51 Creeping Eruption

An English teacher of mine once said that rich people are not crazy, they are eccentric. Only the poor are considered crazy.

Same standard applies to geniuses. Look at Einstein.

resorted to collecting cigarette butts from the streets to circumvent his doctor's effort to stop him from smoking.


In anyone else, this behavior would get them labeled a bum, but the genius was just eccentric

81 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:30pm

re: #38 DesertSage


Nothing will happen if we wait for Congress. The Private Sector has to step forward and starting the ball rolling. Flex-Fuel cars, New-type fuel stations --whatever.

It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

82 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:38pm

re: #72 DesertSage

True that. And don't forget ANWR.

But I might go a step further even and propose offshore drilling rigs alongside floating refineries that would fill up tankers of gasoline. Forget the NIMBY idiots.

83 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:51pm

re: #67 angst

I wondered where the hell that title came from. I have to admit, popular culture is not my strong point!

Again, my sense of humor is dry tonight. That was a joke, the movie was named "Five Easy Pieces".

Sorry about that.

84 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:59pm

re: #70 jcm

I heard Donald on that, and said "damn straight!" Those who make fun, don't understand.

Well, it's exactly how you have to make a diagnosis in the ER at 3am. It made perfect sense to me.

85 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:08pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

Classic.

86 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:35pm

re: #58 freetoken

Additional quotes attributed to Richard Feynman:
The trouble with computers is that you 'play' with them!

So I see he was smart enough to see where the productivity increases that were promised to us by the brave new world of computers went.

87 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:55pm

Every time I look at that background image at the BHO website, I get the strange urge to head over to IHOP for some waffles.

88 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:03pm

re: #57 jcm

Isn't that the LGF prayer?

Wisdom to know the difference?

89 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #72 DesertSage

All the congress would have to do is give the OK o drill in those areas and the speculative price of crude would drop by half.
Laws against speculation would only backfire and make things worse.

The oil speculators actually moderate price spikes.

90 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:07pm

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

91 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:33pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

My favorite, too.

92 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:58pm

re: #75 ggt

I will tell you that sometimes I suprise myself with what I know. Or rather, what I remember. It's always suprising to remember something you didn't know you knew.

It's surprising the trivial stuff the I remember, I think I've been wasting brain space on THAT!

93 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:10pm

re: #61 schultzw

I thought we already had two actually:

The Department of Justice.
&
The Department of Defense.

94 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:35pm

re: #93 ggt

AND Homeland Security

95 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:37pm

re: #88 ggt

Isn't that the LGF prayer?

Wisdom to know the difference?

Some of the ID threads lot of folks lost sight of it.

96 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:34:10pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

All detailed in "The Shadow Party". He was even asked to help the dollar after 9-11 and did the opposite.

97 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:34:56pm

re: #73 schultzw

"Peace is not the absense of conflict, Peace is Justice"

I forgot the Rabbi who said that, I heard his lecture once.

98 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:35:12pm

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

99 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:35:45pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

The man who broke the Bank of England

Soros don't give a fuck as long a the buck ends in his pocket.

100 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:36:08pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

I think that you are going to take a fair number of hits for that.

101 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:36:28pm

re: #83 DesertSage

Again, my sense of humor is dry tonight. That was a joke, the movie was named "Five Easy Pieces".

Sorry about that.

Right. I knew Feynman was making a play on words from something- I just didn't know what. But, of course, the movie could well have been "Six Easy Pieces," for all I know! I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

102 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:37:17pm

re: #92 jcm

It's surprising the trivial stuff the I remember, I think I've been wasting brain space on THAT!

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

103 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:37:39pm

re: #100 Creeping Eruption

I think that you are going to take a fair number of hits for that.

One of those hits might be with a 6 iron through the windshield.

104 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:08pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

I'm not an intense movie fan but Nicholson to me is a quintessential anti-hero.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:10pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

I was thinking he wanted to crash the economy first, so we'd vote for "change".

Why do I keep seeing Soros as a villain in a Bond movie? If Obama loses, those Bond villains are pretty nasty to those minions who fail them.

106 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:13pm

re: #20 shug

One.
We are one.
One is the beginning.
Are you one , Herbert ?

I am not Herbert.   I reach.

107 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:21pm

re: #103 CyanSnowHawk

One of those hits might be with a 6 iron through the windshield.

For starters

108 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:39:41pm

re: #102 Mars Needs Neocons

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

109 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #101 angst

Right. I knew Feynman was making a play on words from something- I just didn't know what. But, of course, the movie could well have been "Six Easy Pieces," for all I know! I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

Abbie Hoffman was one of the Chicago seven, Dustin Hoffman was The Graduate.

110 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

I was thinking he wanted to crash the economy first, so we'd vote for "change".

Why do I keep seeing Soros as a villain in a Bond movie? If Obama loses, those Bond villains are pretty nasty to those minions who fail them.

I've said before, he is the real Ernesto Blofeld. The problem is we don't have a real Bond to take him down.

111 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:21pm

re: #102 Mars Needs Neocons

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

My entire family is hell on wheels with Trivial Pursuit, except in the entertainment category it's rare any of us miss a question.

Balderdash is another one, we know most of the words already.

As long as it's family it's fun, guests get massacred.

112 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:33pm

Jack Nicholson looks like he does not change his underwear and his breath stinks. Easiest way to make up with my wife is to put one of his movies on a TV.

113 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:44pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

Sports questions destroy me.

114 Rancher  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:14pm

re: #90 pat
He is a guide to how we should prepare.

115 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:21pm

re: #111 jcm

My entire family is hell on wheels with Trivial Pursuit, except in the entertainment category it's rare any of us miss a question.

Balderdash is another one, we know most of the words already.

As long as it's family it's fun, guests get massacred.

We've taken to destroying each other in Uno, at least its fair all around.

116 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

I am in the same type of boat. All my friends will start of a question with "Okay you might know this. . . ."

/was once called a well of useless information once.
//pointed out to same person all knowledge is useful at some period of time.

117 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:41pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

My wife and daughter also tell me to shut up during Jeopardy so they have time to come up with the answer before I do.

118 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:15pm

re: #113 Mars Needs Neocons

Sports questions destroy me.

They usually do for me, but I remembered something from a comic book I had read years earlier.

119 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:22pm

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

My wife and daughter also tell me to shut up during Jeopardy so they have time to come up with the answer before I do.

Tried out for Jeopardy. My damn test had 6 sports questions.

120 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:42pm

re: #112 pat

For him its been downhill since The Shining. Of course thats one of the greatest movies ever so..

121 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:48pm

re: #115 Mars Needs Neocons

We've taken to destroying each other in Uno, at least its fair all around.

Uno, another family favorite is Rook (similar to spades), some skill in playing the cards dealt, but we know each other so well bluffing doesn't work.

122 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:56pm

I know nothing. Hrummmmph

123 StudSupreme  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:57pm

re: #16 coquimbojoe

There IS a better choice - if you have a time machine.

The PERFECT presidential candidate for our time:
Themistocles.

Tied for first place with the above:
Publius Fabius Maximus.

Home boys both, fast and true.

124 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:14pm

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

They usually do for me, but I remembered something from a comic book I had read years earlier.

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

125 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:14pm

Interesting how us lizards are fountains of knowledge, while the Kos Sacks are fountains of ranting garbage.

126 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:31pm

re: #109 DesertSage

Abbie Hoffman was one of the Chicago seven, Dustin Hoffman was The Graduate.

Yes, but I was thinking of Jack Nicholson when I typed that!

127 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:32pm

re: #101 angst

I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

Oh, I'm pretty sure you'd have no problem with that one.

Dustin Hoffman is alive.
Abbie Hoffman has been dead for 19 years.

128 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:06pm

re: #112 pat
Not a Nicholson fan, but LIKED him in "Wish Bucket"

129 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:23pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

Nicholson has the same appeal to me that Tom Waits does. They are both crude and full of pathos, and a reasonable person would be repulsed by their rough edges and lack of polish.

But I still dig them both, and I really don't understand it, but there it is.

Sometimes I have to listen to Waits with my headphones because no one would understand why someone digs both him and Ravel or Copland.

130 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:26pm

re: #127 opilio

Oh, I'm pretty sure you'd have no problem with that one.

Dustin Hoffman is alive.
Abbie Hoffman has been dead for 19 years.

Okay, if I saw them side by side, I could do it.

131 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:29pm

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:50pm

"Dark City" is an underrated classic of a movie.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

133 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:23pm

re: #131 Mich-again

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

I put my mom (RIP) up against you! She was brutal!

134 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:31pm

re: #120 Mich-again

For him its been downhill since The Shining. Of course thats one of the greatest movies ever so..

Ditto. Good book to. Movie a bit less supernatural than the book, but an excellent performance. But we have seen the same repressed anger too many times. If he was a dog, I would have shot him by now.

135 Salem  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:42pm

How can you eat when it's snowing? That's easy, I always eat when it's snowing. How can you eat yellow snow is what I want to know.

136 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:57pm

re: #106 opilio

Are you one , Herbert ?

I gave to Hope a watch of mine: but he
an Anchor gave to me.
Then an old prayer-book I did present,
And he an optic sent.
With that, I gave a vial full of tears,
But he, a few green ears.
Ah, Loyterer, I'll no more, no more I'll bring!
I did expect a ring.

- George Herbert.

137 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:04pm

Why I loathe Hollywood:
[Link: www.startribune.com...]

138 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:10pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

139 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:12pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons Ah, there you are! By the time I finished typing and posting an answer to your question in the prior thread, you'd come over here.
SO here's a repost (sorry folks)
re: #1023 Mars Needs Neocons I don't know either - you'd think that the US Department of Labor would be able to coordinate with the US DoD, but I'm not so sure.
What I AM sure about, is that 8 Vietnam Vets, all employed at very demanding, full time jobs, with precious little funding, managed to find full time -career type jobs for over 4,000 of our fellow Vietnam Vets in 11 years - and if we'd had more help, and money, we could easily have placed another 8,000 all in NYC alone.
Those figures by the Department of Labor may have been inflated, but I've known - personally - too many Vietnam Vets (real ones, not the make believe or wannabeen types) who were horribly discriminated against for at least two reasons: one, the media tended to portray us as drug addicted psychopaths (The Columbia School of Journalism, at our request, studied the characters in TV shows and found, over a period of just two years, that Vietnam Vets were ELEVEN times more likely to play drugged out or psychotic killers than they were cops) and the second is: America was truly tired by the Vietnam War - the homeland was not exactly complacent about it - and in it's rush to forget the war, also hurried did all it could to forget the warriors who fought it.
Then, of course, was the fact that the average age of a combat vet in Vietnam was 19 - very few had jobs to return to and had to start job searching as the economy went into a dive while Ford was President.

140 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:23pm

re: #126 angst

Yes, but I was thinking of Jack Nicholson when I typed that!

Well, I can't help you out with that :')

141 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:49pm

re: #112 pat

According to a friend who has socialized with him at a Hollywood party, you are correct.

142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:47:26pm

re: #138 Creeping Eruption

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

I've got a RT graphic novel floating around here some where.

143 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:47:36pm

re: #113 Mars Needs Neocons

Me, too, except once. I knew that the last horse to win the Triple Crown prior to Secretariat was Citation.

144 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:48:31pm

re: #131 Mich-again

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

Back in grad school, my wife and I shredded the others with "squid" and "lox" (no bagels, though)

145 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:48:44pm

My mom was brutal at bridge. I was once a serious chess player, but had to give it up when I started dreaming chess and moving people around the room in my imagination at class or meetings. Went on to cribbage. Did well.

146 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:11pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

Back in grad school, my wife and I shredded the others with "squid" and "lox" (no bagels, though)

"Penguin" wins at hangman every time.

147 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:22pm

re: #140 DesertSage
Hey Sage - how are you doing tonight?

148 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:28pm

re: #122 pat

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

149 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:41pm

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've got a RT graphic novel floating around here some where.

Next is to dig up some Judge Dredd. Its been so long, I'm not sure if some of this stuff is still being published.

150 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:21pm

re: #139 realwest

Ah, there you are! By the time I finished typing and posting an answer to your question in the prior thread, you'd come over here.
SO here's a repost (sorry folks)
re: #1023 Mars Needs Neocons I don't know either - you'd think that the US Department of Labor would be able to coordinate with the US DoD, but I'm not so sure.
What I AM sure about, is that 8 Vietnam Vets, all employed at very demanding, full time jobs, with precious little funding, managed to find full time -career type jobs for over 4,000 of our fellow Vietnam Vets in 11 years - and if we'd had more help, and money, we could easily have placed another 8,000 all in NYC alone.
Those figures by the Department of Labor may have been inflated, but I've known - personally - too many Vietnam Vets (real ones, not the make believe or wannabeen types) who were horribly discriminated against for at least two reasons: one, the media tended to portray us as drug addicted psychopaths (The Columbia School of Journalism, at our request, studied the characters in TV shows and found, over a period of just two years, that Vietnam Vets were ELEVEN times more likely to play drugged out or psychotic killers than they were cops) and the second is: America was truly tired by the Vietnam War - the homeland was not exactly complacent about it - and in it's rush to forget the war, also hurried did all it could to forget the warriors who fought it.
Then, of course, was the fact that the average age of a combat vet in Vietnam was 19 - very few had jobs to return to and had to start job searching as the economy went into a dive while Ford was President.

I gotcha and replied down thread. I'm double threading past my bedtime.

/Somebody stop me!

151 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:34pm

re: #136 Dianna

I gave to Hope a watch of mine: but he
an Anchor gave to me.
Then an old prayer-book I did present,
And he an optic sent.
With that, I gave a vial full of tears,
But he, a few green ears.
Ah, Loyterer, I'll no more, no more I'll bring!
I did expect a ring.

- George Herbert.

Prosperity cannot be restored by raids upon the public Treasury.

- Herbert Hoover

152 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:40pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

are those whole stories or covers? if stories where?

153 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:40pm

re: #135 Salem

How can you eat when it's snowing? That's easy, I always eat when it's snowing. How can you eat yellow snow is what I want to know.


Zappa had a song about that -
Watch out where the huskies go

154 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:50pm

re: #148 Dianna

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

Is that like saying, "I'm the most plain!" if you're Amish?

155 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:55pm

re: #133 jcm

Well then I'll take your word and tip my hat. As for the rest of the 6+ billion still out there, bring it on beyotches!

156 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #148 Dianna

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

Lequinn

157 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:06pm

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting how us lizards are fountains of knowledge, while the Kos Sacks are fountains of ranting garbage.

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

158 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:19pm

re: #151 opilio

Oh! That's GOOD!

And from null-grey-bland Herbert Hoover, no less!

159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:41pm

re: #149 Creeping Eruption

Next is to dig up some Judge Dredd. Its been so long, I'm not sure if some of this stuff is still being published.

Kind of hard to find in the states. There was a cheap, campy version that got licensed over here which sucked. I got a few issues I scrounged up from overseas, so much better. Judge Death was one of the greatest villians ever.

160 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:45pm

re: #138 Creeping Eruption

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

I'm a bit nervous about that movie. Of course I've scene a few comic to scene comparisons and it looks dead on. Just wish Moore wasn't such a radical moonbat. (at least he seems to be judging by some of his comments about the US.)

161 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:53pm

re: #129 rawmuse

Not so!

I think Tom Waits is sporadically brilliant, and Ravel had about 3 moments of brilliance, and (do we mean Aaron Copeland? I hope so) could imitate brilliance well enough to fool me six times in 30.

162 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:52:35pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor.

The sense of humor is proportional to intelligence. Thus explaining the dour and ignorant nature of the typical KosKid.

163 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:52:51pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

How can anyone stay sane without a sense of humor?
/rhetorical question about the Kossies - and Muslims, another group with no sense of humor.

164 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:21pm

I do know this, it getting late.
Morning comes early.
The day is long.
So it's off to bed with me.

“He who is brave is free.”
Seneca

We remain the home of the brave.
We remain the home of the free.

N☭bama.

165 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:33pm

re: #143 Dianna

Me, too, except once. I knew that the last horse to win the Triple Crown prior to Secretariat was Citation.


It always amazes me when I actually am able to answer one.

re: #152 pat

are those whole stories or covers? if stories where?

Whole, but it's not really on the up and up. I just can't help myself. I buy what I can, but I have a need to read them all.

166 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:58pm

After a home invasion murder, Three fully armed complete with body armor Mexican Military personnel arrested here in Phoenix. They were attempting to lure Phx. Police into ally ambush after allowing themselves to be chased into ally at 7TH. ST, and Mcdowell. Ran out of ammunition. This is an act of war.

167 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:02pm

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kind of hard to find in the states. There was a cheap, campy version that got licensed over here which sucked. I got a few issues I scrounged up from overseas, so much better. Judge Death was one of the greatest villians ever.

Was that published by AD 2000 (I think that was the outfit that put out Rouge Trooper, Strontium Dog, etc...British company?) Any suggestions where to look?

168 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:44pm

re: #161 Dianna

Well, that is why music is subjective.
And Copland has no "e".
I loves me some Copland. And Holst. And Ravel, and Stravinsky.

169 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:58pm

re: #151 opilio

Hoover was right, but don't tell anyone, or the whole imaginary structure of entitlements will collapse, and we'll actually have to find jobs for section 8 types.

170 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #147 realwest

Hey Sage - how are you doing tonight?

Hey RW! Long time no speak!
We were just talking about Jack Nicholson.

171 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:24pm

re: #166 jainphx

linky?

172 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #154 angst

Yes.

173 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:47pm

re: #161 Dianna

Not so!

I think Tom Waits is sporadically brilliant, and Ravel had about 3 moments of brilliance, and (do we mean Aaron Copeland? I hope so) could imitate brilliance well enough to fool me six times in 30.

Did anyone here not have to play Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man in high school band?

I like Rodeo the best. It's not often one finds classical music used to sell beef.

174 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:06pm

re: #166 jainphx

After a home invasion murder, Three fully armed complete with body armor Mexican Military personnel arrested here in Phoenix. They were attempting to lure Phx. Police into ally ambush after allowing themselves to be chased into ally at 7TH. ST, and Mcdowell. Ran out of ammunition. This is an act of war.

Link?

Armed Mexican troops in the US? Can we build the damn wall already?

175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:14pm

re: #167 Creeping Eruption

Was that published by AD 2000 (I think that was the outfit that put out Rouge Trooper, Strontium Dog, etc...British company?) Any suggestions where to look?

Try here, though the site is undergoing maintenance right now.

I'm trying to get a hold of some of the old Games Workshop stuff myself.

176 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:20pm

re: #168 rawmuse

Stravinsky needed someone to explain that the violins don't always have to be shrilling away in alt. Really. Otherwise, he's not bad.

177 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:29pm

7 straight days of rain in the forecast here. Thunderstorms scattered like Waffle House hash browns.

We have about 50 people due here for a graduation party Saturday. If it rains, I guess we'll play Euchre and Scrabble. And drink. I almost forgot that part.

178 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:30pm

re: #169 Dianna

Hoover was right, but don't tell anyone, or the whole imaginary structure of entitlements will collapse, and we'll actually have to find jobs for section 8 types.

HEY! I'm trying my damndest. I'm jumping through all of the hoops and still looking for work.

I know you don't mean me. Just having fun with you.

179 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:31pm
Rouge Trooper

"Hey, Thweetie, got time for a Rouge Trooper? You're JUST MY TYPE, Handsome..."

"Gittaway from me, you fag!"

/or was it a typothetical mistrake?

180 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:50pm

re: #150 Mars Needs Neocons Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

181 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:57:35pm

re: #156 pat

LeGuin. Ursula K.

Daughter of one of the most brilliant anthropologists of the 20th Century, and it shows.

182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:57:38pm

re: #174 CyanSnowHawk

Link?

Armed Mexican troops in the US? Can we build the damn wall already?

Wouldn't be the first time. There was an incident a few years back where Mexican army opened fire on U.S. police around the border.

183 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:03pm

I gotta go to sleep, Lizards!

weet dreams!

184 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:14pm

re: #173 angst

Did anyone here not have to play Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man in high school band?

I like Rodeo the best. It's not often one finds classical music used to sell beef.

Personally I like Stewart Copeland myself.

185 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:37pm

re: #166 jainphx Link?

186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:53pm

re: #179 Carridine

"Hey, Thweetie, got time for a Rouge Trooper? You're JUST MY TYPE, Handsome..."

"Gittaway from me, you fag!"

/or was it a typothetical mistrake?

"Are those....transvestites? OH SHIT, THEY HAVE GUNS!"

- Eddie Izzard on the Transvestite Paratrooper Brigade

187 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:09pm

re: #183 ggt

I gotta go to sleep, Lizards!

weet dreams!

Were you trying to type "sweet dreams" or "wet dreams"?

188 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:09pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Try here, though the site is undergoing maintenance right now.

I'm trying to get a hold of some of the old Games Workshop stuff myself.

Thanks for the link, I'll check back to see when it has been fixed. Wonder oif they have actual old issues for sale.

189 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:41pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

As a group, they're remarkable obtuse.

I occasionally comment over there, and the other day I left a sarcastic 2 sentence response to another commenter basically calling him an idiot. The KosKids failed to penetrate the sarcasm, and my comment received 5 up-dings, including one from the author of the original comment!

190 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:45pm

Copland was a socialist, but in those days, if you weren't, you were a rat fink.

191 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:11pm

re: #180 realwest

Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

ARNG - 1988-1990 Cannon Crewmember
Air Force 1990-1995 SP

Desert Shield (1 day)
Desert Storm
Whatever the hell we called it in 91-92

I'm getting a lot of support from the VA, but they're getting as frustrated as I am.

I'll try to email you, but I've had some problems with the system so I'll blue my nic too, just in case you don't get anything.

192 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:21pm

re: #173 angst

I had to sing the bits about "Dancing ladies, making matches, playing games, singing snatches."

I'd dearly love to forget.

193 AZfederalist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:39pm

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

I thought we already had one. It is called the Department of Defense.

Yep, the old Latin saying: Si Vera Pacem, Para Bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war) has always been a truism. Works on a small scale (you aren't going to mess with the body builder down the block), works on a large scale: if we had a pair in the 70's, Iran wouldn't be pursuing nukes now.

194 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:48pm

re: #187 angst

Were you trying to type "sweet dreams" or "wet dreams"?

LOL

195 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:59pm

Too many fires in California. The air was not good today. Can we have some of your rain, Mich-again?

196 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #170 DesertSage
Yeah, Sage, long time no receive e-mail from you!
LOL! Jack Nicholson - fraid I can't really add anything to the discussion; I've seen him in some great movies/roles and some crappy ones but somehow or other he seems to play the same type of person, ya know?

197 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #180 realwest

Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

Yep it went to a blank page again. It's done that everytime since I upgraded to Firefox 3

198 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #192 Dianna

I had to sing the bits about "Dancing ladies, making matches, playing games, singing snatches."

I'd dearly love to forget.

Thank God I just listen to the instrumentals!

199 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:38pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wouldn't be the first time. There was an incident a few years back where Mexican army opened fire on U.S. police around the border.

I remember. The corruption down there is insane, but I have to think that the crooks wouldn't be flailing so much if the Gov't. crackdowns were not having an effect. With luck, in 25 years, it might be a nice place to visit again. Until then, they don't get tourist dollar one from me or my family.

200 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:02:04pm

Speaking of Tom Waits, this is still my favorite. Not to get morbid or anything, but it's in my last will and testament that it be played at my service. I guess I just sorta connect with it. ;)

201 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:02:11pm

re: #174 CyanSnowHawk

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

202 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:03:08pm

re: #177 Mich-again

7 straight days of rain in the forecast here. Thunderstorms scattered like Waffle House hash browns.

We have about 50 people due here for a graduation party Saturday. If it rains, I guess we'll play Euchre and Scrabble. And drink. I almost forgot that part.

I feel your pain. See my number 7 above.

203 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:03:54pm

re: #195 rawmuse

Can we have some of your rain, Mich-again?


I haven't turned on my sprinklers once this year and yet the lawn is the best I can remember. Sorry, wish we could help you out there.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:04:59pm

re: #200 Cartman

I'm partial to What's he building in there?

205 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:14pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

It does. I live within 20 miles of the border. I will not go down there.

206 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:17pm

re: #198 angst

Isn't it just awful?

207 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:21pm

By the way, any comic junkies that want to know how I do what I do, drop me an email. Just promise me that you will continue to buy, we can't read em if they can't afford to write em.

208 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:31pm

Hey Dianna, the Financial District just had a power transformer blow. No electricity right now. Bring a flashlight tomorrow.

209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:12pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

Your average civilian is safer in Iraq than he is in Mexico.

Some one needs to go down there and clear house.

210 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:52pm

re: #193 AZfederalist

Yep, the old Latin saying: Si Vera Pacem, Para Bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war) has always been a truism. Works on a small scale (you aren't going to mess with the body builder down the block), works on a large scale: if we had a pair in the 70's, Iran wouldn't be pursuing nukes now.

Is that where the term Parabellum (as in 9mm) came from?

211 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:55pm

re: #208 rawmuse

Oh, peachy.

212 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:05pm

Good night everybody.

213 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:17pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.


I always flash on this guy who played the revolutionary in Dr. Zhivago. He never smiled once in the movie.

214 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:29pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

215 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:52pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.


Kill them all, and sort out the bodies. Better than watching our National Guard runaway because they are unarmed. Bush. spit.

216 Murqtaad  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:02pm

obamessiah.blogspot.com

217 whitehatguy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:06pm

I knew Feynman and I'm sorry you're no Feynman.

218 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:39pm

re: #214 Dianna

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

Remember reading in history where anyone with the money and urge could form a brigade and go charging off into whatever war interested them?

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:42pm

re: #214 Dianna

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

I was thinking something on a slightly larger scale, but the pussies in DC are bought and paid for already,

220 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #215 pat

Sigh.

221 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:09:16pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I'm partial to What's he building in there?

To each his own, I guess. ;)

222 whitehatguy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:11pm

I know, therefore I am not not.

223 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:33pm

Whenever I need a lift, I play
This I Dig of You.

224 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:44pm

re: #218 Mars Needs Neocons

It was a much more free-wheeling era. These days, we'd have various federal agencies descending on us so fast we'd be in jail before our heads stopped spinning.

heck, at this rate, I'd hesitate to make a date to go shooting!

225 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:15pm

re: #224 Dianna

It was a much more free-wheeling era. These days, we'd have various federal agencies descending on us so fast we'd be in jail before our heads stopped spinning.

heck, at this rate, I'd hesitate to make a date to go shooting!

That's no lie.

226 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:23pm

Excuse me a few minutes.

227 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:53pm

re: #171 BlueCanuck

Don't have, it was on the J.D. Hayworth radio program today. The house invasion was to kill the drug dealers in the house, they killed one but expended most of their ammo attacking the house. The open boarder Mayor tried to keep it quiet, should hit the media tomorrow.

228 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:59pm

We can't mention Mr Waits without Chocolate Jesus

229 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:13:56pm

I don't care if it rains or freezes ling as I got my chocolate Jesus glued to the back of the fridge.

230 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:14:25pm

re: #223 rawmuse

Whenever I need a lift, I play
This I Dig of You.

That definitely shakes the moneymaker. ;)

231 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:15:24pm

Night all.

Kosh, Krager, whoever else. I'm serious, drop me an email. I'll try to help on the comic front anyway I can. Comics preservation is vital.

232 tackle  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:15:25pm

Longtime incumbent Rep. Chris Cannon (RINO-UT) has just lost a primary against newcomer, constitution-leaning Chaffetz. Voters were pissed here and were ready for a change.
Cannon supported amnesty, as did his brother Joe Cannon of the Deseret Morning News.
Change!

233 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:17:02pm

...and you could hear a pin drop.

234 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:02pm

re: #233 Cartman

...and you could hear a pin drop.

and echo

235 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:20pm

Rawmuse, I can't find anything on the blown transformer.

Linkage? Help?

236 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:24pm


Cool Hand Luke
Plastic Jesus. Some realize it's for real. lol

237 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:30pm

Home invasion, bad stuff. I have survived one.
That little incident made me get serious about security.

238 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:25pm

re: #235 Dianna

Heard on KSFO, local coverage. The transformer is on Drumm St.
No linky yet.

239 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:32pm

re: #237 rawmuse

It would tend to!

240 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:44pm

re: #233 Cartman

It's the quiet before the storm.

241 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:20:19pm

re: #238 rawmuse

OK. I'll go over to ksfo's website and see what they can tell me. If anything.

I may need to call my boss.

242 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:21:06pm

re: #191 Mars Needs Neocons I just sent you an e-mail. Hopefully it'll get through. I haven't received an e-mail from you.

243 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:21:37pm

re: #237 rawmuse

This seems to be a drug war that started in Mexico. The drug dealers came to Arizona to stay alive. The perpetrators were Special forces Mexican army working for the cartel.

244 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:22:31pm

re: #243 jainphx

Pros! That is some scary shit.
My incident was a kid on PCP, along with his pals.

245 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:22:34pm

re: #232 tackle

By a rather significant margin too.

246 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:23:32pm

re: #244 rawmuse

Pros! That is some scary shit.
My incident was a kid on PCP, along with his pals.

Outcome - if you don't mind my asking?

247 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #243 jainphx

Then it's not an act of war. What precisely it ought to be defined as, I'm not sure, except as an insane level of corruption.

248 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:25:18pm

Well all y'all it's been an interesting night, as usual, but I gotta get some sleep!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all!

249 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:25:26pm

re: #244 rawmuse

Yeah they were in full Armored outfit with Phoenix Police shirts. The scary part is this happened Sunday, if J.D. didn't find out about it we would never have known.

250 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:26:04pm

I give up. I can't find any word on what the blown transformer will mean for my morning commute, or my boss', so I am going to bed.

Take care, lizards.

251 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:27:28pm

re: #232 tackle

Longtime incumbent Rep. Chris Cannon (RINO-UT) has just lost a primary against newcomer, constitution-leaning Chaffetz. Voters were pissed here and were ready for a change.
Cannon supported amnesty, as did his brother Joe Cannon of the Deseret Morning News.
Change!

Jason Chaffetz, I believe, used to be a democrat organizer....

252 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:27:57pm

re: #246 Creeping Eruption

I am here, ain't I?
The unfortunate lad was last seen being carried off on a buckboard, restrained hand, chest and foot, by the SFPD.
He is serving for multiple felonies, along with his buds.

But there was about 10 minute bloody struggle in my kitchen in which the outcome was uncertain. If you have never fought an 18 year kid on PCP, I hope you never do. Adrenaline comes in handy.

It broke my heart really, I used to play basketball with him when he was a child.

253 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:28:56pm

re: #247 Dianna

The fact that they were Army personnel, should count for something. You may be right, but I don't want another country's military people here doing drug business killings and what have you.

254 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #251 coquimbojoe

Jason Chaffetz, I believe, used to be a democrat organizer....

His dad had married Kitty Dukakis before she married Gov Dukakis....

255 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:31:45pm

re: #252 rawmuse

I am here, ain't I?
The unfortunate lad was last seen being carried off on a buckboard, restrained hand, chest and foot, by the SFPD.
He is serving for multiple felonies, along with his buds.

But there was about 10 minute bloody struggle in my kitchen in which the outcome was uncertain. If you have never fought an 18 year kid on PCP, I hope you never do. Adrenaline comes in handy.

It broke my heart really, I used to play basketball with him when he was a child.

Never have - hope to never have to in the future. I have been lucky. Outside a few scuffles on the playground when I was a kid, I have only been in one fight in my life when I was a bouncer in college. Not a fair fight either - he was drunk and I was stone cold sober.

256 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:32:14pm

Well, I seem to have misplaced my circadian rythms somewhere. I'm off to try and find 'em.

G'nite, all.

257 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:37:13pm
258 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:37:37pm

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

I hope that was my last one.

259 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:38:37pm

re: #257 Syrah

Drill Drill Drill, build Refineries, then Drill Drill Drill.

260 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:40:58pm

re: #258 rawmuse

Drugs do funny thing to otherwise descent people.

261 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:41:53pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

Did you notice this from Breitbart

Zombie Time: "World Can't Wait and various freelance America-dislikers responded [to the Star Spangled Banner] by giving the Nazi salute and screaming in protest."

262 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:44:25pm

re: #259 jainphx

Drill Drill Drill, build Refineries, then Drill Drill Drill.

Oh and stop wasting corn by turning it into gas. Converting sugar into gas is much more efficient unless environmental types close down 300 sq miles of sugar production

263 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:44:27pm

Feynman... The Einstein for the second half of the 20th. Century.

Still relevant so long after his all too short life.
What a seeker of truth... what a downright good human being.

Sadly missed

264 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:45:35pm

Oooh, due to the sheer numbers of linkages, I didn't see that my latest Berkeley report got linked on the lefty-ish "SFist," the local franchise of a city-by-city gossip blog empire.

I've noticed, more and more recently, that some left-leaning and semi-moonbatty sites are beginning to link to me in numbers higher than ever. Not sure what is casuing this shift.

The best part is that SFist counts as a "news source" to Google, so that eventually it will crop up on Google News too.

265 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:46:28pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

Ohhh I get it now!

Just put your hand in my pockets and help yourself.

/sarc/ OFF

266 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:46:47pm

re: #261 solomonpanting

Did you notice this from Breitbart

Zombie Time: "World Can't Wait and various freelance America-dislikers responded [to the Star Spangled Banner] by giving the Nazi salute and screaming in protest."

Ooooh! Excellent. Thanks for that catch.

Hey Ma -- I'm on tee-vee!

267 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #262 Neo Con since 9-11

They can't figure out why the cost of food is going up, the idiots are turning it into fuel. Less efficient and more costly, and subsidized by tax payers, makes no sense.

268 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:24pm

re: #266 zombie

Congratulations

269 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:48pm

Read this article in the Denver Post very carefully.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Denver mayor John Hickenlooper is saying that federal officials have ensured that they will be sending a lump sum check to Denver for 50 million dollars before the Democratic National Convention to cover the security costs incurred by the city.

In addition, the article claims that other monies will be provided for ancillary costs. Please note that not one federal official has been named. So we now have Denver's mayor and Colorado's do-nothing governor, both democrats, claiming that the feds are coming to the rescue of the DNC, who at last check was 16 million dollars short of meeting their financial promises for their convention.

No named sources, but the money's on the way. The Federal government is authorized to dispense 16.5 million dollars to each party for security costs for their conventions, so I definitely smell a rat. Why should America's taxpayers pay for a party function?

The dems are setting this up as a publicity hit big time against George Bush prior to November. They want to claim that they've been screwed out of their money by crooked politics.

Watch out for this one, it may get really ugly. No sources named in any statements anywhere in the article for the dispersement of more than 50 million dollars by the administration reeks as a bald-faced lie by the dems.

It just keeps getting better.

270 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:50:48pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

If we developed alternative sources of energy, oil prices would drop.
In the 1970s prices were high until work on alternatives got serious. The spigots opened, the prices dropped, and people who invested in alternatives got screwed.

271 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:50:52pm

Economy on brink of recession, Greenspan says

We are feeling it at work. The projected lack of work for this summer is getting unnerving.

272 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:52:28pm

Islamic terrorists attack Danish Embassy in Pakistan, France retreats..

273 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #271 Syrah

Economy on brink of recession, Greenspan says

We are feeling it at work. The projected lack of work for this summer is getting unnerving.

Soros is partying like its 1929

274 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:05pm

re: #266 zombie

Ooooh! Excellent. Thanks for that catch.

Hey Ma -- I'm on tee-vee!

Good work Zombie.

275 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:09pm

Send Barack Your Baby.

Obviously a joke site. What's not really all that funny is the news report I spotted this on also talked about how people would "crowd surf" their infant children out to Obama to be kissed at rallies and the like.

/spun off

276 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:43pm

Weird. I just did a search on Google News for Zombietime for the last month: no SFist listing, but four others -- and the top one, for a British tabloid satire called "Anorak" I can't get to work. Strange.

Well, life goes on...What have I done for me lately?

277 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:53pm

re: #272 Yankee Division Son

Islamic terrorists attack Danish Embassy in Pakistan, France retreats..

/link fixed (?)

278 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:56:08pm

re: #32 zombie

I think the death of Feynman's first wife (Arlene) from TB the same week as the Alamagordo test bent him out of shape more than a little, for a while.

Pompous he generally was not. (Except with self-important blowhards and kooks. Like a top gun of the old west, he attracted such people and had to dispatch them as efficiently as practical, much to his displeasure and annoyance). Neils Bohr sought him out for serious private discussions. Bohr understood that RPF was not driven by ego, and was quite willing to be found wrong or uninformed. Perhaps more important to Bohr, he trusted Feynman to be candid and scrupulously (even brutally) honest about things discussed, especially science. Murray Gell-Mann knew this also. Gell-Mann was pompous, but deservedly so. And Feynman knew that, too.

Some books about Feynman I've especially liked:
Feynman's Rainbow: A Search for Beauty in Physics and in Life by Leonard Mlodinow
Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman by James Gleick
Brighter than a Thousand Suns: A Personal History of the Atomic Scientists by Robert Jungk (about several people)

279 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:58:46pm

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

Soros is partying like its 1929

I still think Soros is actually just Ernst Stavros Blofeld in disguise.

280 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #278 abolitionist

Well, maybe he's not as bad as I thought. The stories I heard from the physics geeks I used to know made him sound dismissive and a bit sadistic.

281 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:03:54pm

By all the good real property you can. Panic is the medias role in economies.

282 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:24pm

Looks like Ol'merde will stay in office longer.

He needs to be out before Iran builds nukes and ships them to Hizballah.
Labor, Kadima agree to avoid dissolution of Knesset

283 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:24pm

So do you guys figure that the nazi terrorist pig in GB who had 39,000 child porn pics had a signed color 8x10 of Josef Mengele in the middle of his wall of matted and framed porn pics of little girls?

That image just really makes me want to puke. There is evil in this world, and it feeds upon itself.

It's sad that they couldn't bring the child abuse photos into the terror trial. I hope somebody takes care of this guy in prison.

284 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:29pm

possible outbreak of Industrial Disease at 2H6's place of w*rk, so i'm on standby as a warm form.

tonight's fruit cup has been located & improved, and i'm off to the rack.

L8r!

285 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:09:10pm

re: #32 zombie

I am surprised, zomb -- I can see how you would think him egotistical (he may not always have been a gentleman to women in his life, although they got a piece of him too) but sanctimonious, how?
Based on his posthumous hagiographies or what?
I knew him very distantly, he already had cancer of everything (got more than a dose of radiation during the Manhattan project) and undergrads were donating blood for him. Last time I saw him he was walking ahead of me, crossed the street to the campus and stopped to look at some yellow asters in a raised flower pot.
I caught up and passed him and was on my way and he was still looking at one flower, for minutes and minutes.

286 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:09:29pm

re: #282 Kosh's Shadow

Looks like Ol'merde will stay in office longer.

He needs to be out before Iran builds nukes and ships them to Hizballah.
Labor, Kadima agree to avoid dissolution of Knesset

Carl has a good piece on this in the spinoffs.

287 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:13:57pm
Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

OK, #2, what this means is, it's just automatic. You're born ignorant. Everybody is ignorant. The world is awash in questions and mostly no answers, or pat wrong answers.

The problem is, how do you get to where you do know?

Galileo, some time back, made the observation that anyone who thought he understood everything had never had to really understand anything. It is rather a challenge to understand even a simple thing like the swing of a mass at the end of a rope. Galileo was the first to make any real headway with it.

288 Mauser  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:14:30pm

I have a lot of trouble really believing Orson Scott Card is a Democrat, when he writes things as intelligent as this:

[Link: www.ornery.org...]

President Bush said, "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

Thus he stated, quite clearly, how delusional are those who think that what we have in our war with radical Islam is a "failure to communicate." There is no failure: communication has been crystal clear. Our enemies have announced their firm intention to destroy our civilization, to kill all the Jews, and to kill any Muslim who doesn't go along with their program. Iran has announced its intention, if they get nuclear missiles, to obliterate Tel Aviv. Al Qaeda has declared its intention to destroy the West.

We are not misunderstanding their intentions -- they have acted exactly according to these stated goals whenever they have had the power to do so.

There is nothing we can do, short of killing them or surrendering to them, that will stop them from acting as they have been acting for decades -- murderously and relentlessly. There is certainly nothing we can say.

There are no "root causes" we can address. Al Qaeda and Iran keep changing their statements of what we have done that provokes them. We withdrew our forces from Saudi Arabia -- and Al Qaeda no longer used that as their excuse for attacking us. But they kept on attacking. The excuse was the illusion -- the implacable hatred was the reality.

Nor have they misunderstood us. Those who hate us are among the best-educated people in the Muslim world. The more they know us, the more they hate and fear our civilization's influence on the Muslim world. They know that radical Islam is even less well-suited to deal with modern science and technology than fundamentalist Christianity, which has made its accommodations. To match the technological and scientific superiority of the West, they have to educate their children in something other than the Quran. Therefore they want to tear down the West and make sure everybody's children learn nothing but the Quran. In equal ignorance, the advantage of the West would disappear.

Furthermore, in the cases where we have negotiated with terrorists, they have almost never kept their word. When Ronald Reagan stupidly negotiated with Iran to buy, with American weapons, the freedom of hostages held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, our hostages were released (except those that had already been murdered) -- but they simply took more hostages. They finally stopped, not because of negotiations, but because the taking of hostages was no longer accomplishing what they wanted.

As for the Palestinians, they have never kept any agreement. Israel makes concessions; the Palestinians make promises. The Palestinians break the promises; Israel refuses to make any more concessions; and then the Palestinians scream that it's Israel that is not keeping the treaty. The Palestinians murder Israeli schoolchildren, and when Israel strikes back against terrorists, the Palestinians scream about Israeli aggression.

In short, there is no negotiation with people who have decided that everything we are and hope for and believe in must be torn down and destroyed. And it is amazing to me that the people most determined to rely on negotiations with these terrorists are precisely the people whose purported values are the first ones that these terrorists would destroy, if they were ever given the chance to decide how the West should live.

I didn't mean to quote such a long passage (from a much longer essay) but there didn't seem to be a good place to cut it off before the whole idea was complete.

289 Purple Prose  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:16:28pm

That Feynman quote perfectly describes what 99% of scientists are doing. Don't ever be fooled by media hype, which wants to create a circus out of science. Science is slow and steady and self-correcting. Any individual finding is always just a small piece in a huge puzzle. But the media want to take each finding and hype into something huge. This is not the fault of scientists. It is the fault of the media.

Science is doing what it always does: slowly, carefully amassing data: experimental data or more historical data, like fossils, and then trying to explain them by some hypothesis or theory that makes additional predictions. The testable predictions may upon further experimentation show that the hypothesis was incorrect or limited to a particular case and not general enough, but that is the beauty of the process. Every good experiment yields some information. That information may be true just in a limited set of circumstances, but it then leads to more experiments that yield more information that then allow for more general interpretations, and so on.

The media, however, work on a 24-hour news cycle. They are fundamentally incompatible with the slow and tentative nature of science. They want THE answer to THE question that they want to focus on for that day. Science's strength is that it says that we are constantly striving toward greater definition of what is true, but we don't get there with one scientific study. And even after a million studies, things are still deemed tentative - another bit of information could arise that calls into question the generality of a theory, so then that theory needs to be amended or even discarded for something that is even better at explaining experimental reality.

That obviously doesn't work for the news cycle.

So it's not scientists that are the weenies for over-promising or over-interpreting. They all know that things are so complex that whatever they do as individuals is just a small part of a larger process that provides pieces to the whole puzzle.

It's the media. The media makes monkeys out of everyone, scientists, politicians, celebrities. Yet the media just responds to what they perceive as the public's desire for new and easy-to-digest information and instructions (do this and don't do that or this is good but that is bad). So we all need to change and not expect everything all at once. Patience. Accept your ignorance. Be happy you don't know everything. Don't expect others to tell you the absolute truth. What a boring world it would be if we all knew everything or could turn to someone or some creed that would tell us what absolute truth was. We don't need that. There is enough fascism in the world.

290 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:16:34pm

re: #280 zombie

one has to learn to be dismissive when one is the recipient of several "unified theory of everything" manuscripts a week.
He did read newspapers during physics colloquia, asking Gell-Mann closer to the wrap-up, "does this guy know anything?" -- if Gell-Mann said yes, Feynman would look up and ask questions. But there is so much hot air in physics, one has to have strong filters like that. He was very cool with undergrads.

291 tackle  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:18:56pm

re: #254 coquimbojoe

I heard there was a Dukakis connection. He also worked for gov. Huntsman, I think. Seemed to go far right for the election. Knew what buttons to push, anyway.

292 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:20:13pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

Send Barack Your Baby.

Obviously a joke site. What's not really all that funny is the news report I spotted this on also talked about how people would "crowd surf" their infant children out to Obama to be kissed at rallies and the like.

/spun off

OMG! That is just SICK!

btw, did you notice (above), he's ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-ack! Wanted to comment on his excellent find of a story, but... well... not up for any more dick-slaps lately.

293 2senseplain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:21:37pm

re: #32 zombie

2nd the motion. I went to school with his son and sometimes he was the one to pick him up from play dates. Completely self-centered unsocialized but he was allowed to get away with it because of his brilliance at physics. Being smart or even knowing a lot of cultural stuff doesn't nessecarily fit you out to be a decent human being.

294 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:22:02pm

re: #270 Kosh's Shadow

If we developed alternative sources of energy, oil prices would drop.
In the 1970s prices were high until work on alternatives got serious. The spigots opened, the prices dropped, and people who invested in alternatives got screwed.

Actually, oil prices won't drop even if we do develop alternate energy. Dow just announced a 25% price increase. Oil is their feedstock. The highest and best use of oil is as feedstock. Dow can get those price increases precisely because the stuff one makes from oil is vital.

Its use to power home heating, automobiles, and, top silliness, generators, is doomed. But the value of the chemicals and plastics you can make from oil is so high, now that we and India and China have the skills to make the cool stuff with it, is so great that the limiting factor, oil, will go ever higher.

Iron ore prices are up 85% just this week. Same thing. The limiting factor is the raw material. We have the skill to make all sorts of cool things with iron. We don't know how to make iron from water. It has to come from iron ore.

We must develop wind, solar, and nuclear power. Nuclear is not optional in this mix. And while we're waiting for that to come online, we'll have to get our electricity by burning coal.

We'll need more electricity than ever, because we'll be heating our homes with it (heat pumps) and driving our cars on it (plug in battery powered). That's the best scenario. If we can't swing that, it's going to be pretty ugly.

295 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:24:55pm

re: #292 LeePro

Morning {LeePro} hows things today?

296 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:25:34pm

I heard from a life long Republican today that he will vote for Obama because Obama will lower taxes, stop the Muslims from killing us, close the borders, destroy big oil and the drug companies, and pay for his medical needs.
Need I say that Bush's in-eloquence, unwillingness to secure the borders, kiss Saudi ass, inept hiring practices, has cost this nation the it's soul. We are left in the hands of an arrogant, racist fool and discredited mental dwarves. Who wish to deconstruct America .

297 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:26:44pm

re: #294 lostlakehiker

Actually, oil prices won't drop even if we do develop alternate energy. Dow just announced a 25% price increase. Oil is their feedstock. The highest and best use of oil is as feedstock. Dow can get those price increases precisely because the stuff one makes from oil is vital.

Its use to power home heating, automobiles, and, top silliness, generators, is doomed. But the value of the chemicals and plastics you can make from oil is so high, now that we and India and China have the skills to make the cool stuff with it, is so great that the limiting factor, oil, will go ever higher.

Iron ore prices are up 85% just this week. Same thing. The limiting factor is the raw material. We have the skill to make all sorts of cool things with iron. We don't know how to make iron from water. It has to come from iron ore.

We must develop wind, solar, and nuclear power. Nuclear is not optional in this mix. And while we're waiting for that to come online, we'll have to get our electricity by burning coal.

We'll need more electricity than ever, because we'll be heating our homes with it (heat pumps) and driving our cars on it (plug in battery powered). That's the best scenario. If we can't swing that, it's going to be pretty ugly.

If we had a source to replace most of our energy, demand would drop, and so would prices.
And the oil ticks could open the spigots deliberately to put the alternatives out of business again.

But I still think we need more nuclear power plants in the US. Iran, no.

298 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:27:49pm

re: #296 pat

Ah, a Creative Destructionist?

299 Nightwatch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:29:16pm

The great ness of commenting on such an attacked blogg site is the way you attract so MANY flies, gnats, fleas, and other blood suckin insects of the lefty, Commie, Marxists swamps, what they don't know is that the RED BUG ZAPPER OF DOOM is gently sucking them in for the terminal FRY.
Was that a BBBBBIIIIIIZZZZ and the smell of ?CHICKEN? NAW, just the smell of burning enlarged puppet heads of G W with their loser actors inside! OOPS....forgot to call the Fire Dept............Harsh?

Keep pushing your waist-coat obama-mate soon to be JUST another pol-pusher vote fer me cause I CHANGE when you least expect it......player........PLAYER. And his WIFE, 1st lady or 1st flame-thrower? OOOOOHHHHHH YAHHHHH this cycle has TOXIC written all over it! Bunkers? or DEEPER BUNKERS, u decide......

300 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:29:42pm

re: #294 lostlakehiker

Chinese steelmakers agree to pay Rio Tinto 96% more for iron ore

Global inflation fears deepened yesterday as Chinese steelmakers agreed to a record increase in annual iron ore prices - a move likely to boost the cost of cars, machinery and other products.

Had that news article open in a tab all day... thanks for reminding me to post it.

Yes, inflation is alive and well.

Concur on your statement, especially with the need to expand sources for electricity.

I remember the days of 29 cents gasoline... those days (and my youth) are gone...

We must live in the present and prepare for the future... a future where oil is priced according to its scarcity rather than the wishes of easily manipulated constituencies.

301 Karridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:30:44pm

re: #288 Mauser

I also GreenHearted this, thank you, Mauser!

I am especially glad that Card, a Democrat, sees this. We don't make things up. We don't need some shadowy 'them' to wield fear like a shibboleth. We don't kill our own in order to scream, 'Terrorists!'

We have been attacked, ARE under attack and WILL BE ATTACKED unless and until the Muslims see and recognize the al-Qaim and al-Mahdi, come in the year 1260 as promised.

We can't kill them all. We will NEVER submit to their medieval barbarism. They will not stop attacking.

We need a Deus ex Machina... that Muslims recognize as well as Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus and atheists...

302 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:38:49pm

re: #295 BlueCanuck

Morning {LeePro} hows things today?

Very GOOD {Blue}!

How are you?

303 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:41:11pm

Now we know the price of an endorsement - 10 big ones....

A deal on debt

In a call with his national finance committee today, Senator Barack Obama asked his top donors to help Senator Hillary Clinton retire $10 million of campaign debt.

"Obama said that if folks are inclined, they ought to give what they could," said a Democrat familiar with the call.

Still sounds a bit half hearted... Anyway, $10M for an endorsement isn't that bad really. What gets me though is the brash mercantilism of it all. Next thing you know they will offer contracts on futures markets for endorsements and fund raising.

304 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:45:06pm

What's that smell?

305 yehoshua  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:49:32pm

Sorry, but that Feynman quote leaves me cold . . . and it is part of the "know nothing" philosophy that leads to self-destruction. I would strongly doubt that Feynman was a man of faith, because true knowledge and faith go hand in hand. The only way we will triumph over radical Islam is through a deep knowledge and faith that our cause is just and that our way of life is good. Faith in God, faith in country, faith in doing what is right will pull us through. Our soldiers know what is right and they alone stand between us and the abyss.

306 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:49:57pm

re: #304 LeePro

What's that smell?

I didn't understand it, so let it go.
/I am so slow.:(

307 Cutting Edge  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:54:14pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

Zombie,

I also met Feynman years ago and my assessment was exactly as you described.

I've also met other Nobel Prize winners and there behavior was entirely opposite Feynman's.

I've never understood why people kissed his ass so much.

CE

308 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #304 LeePro

I'm thinking 8 year old and Republican.

309 yehoshua  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:57:13pm

The more I think about this quote, the more shocked I am that it would appear on this site. It sounds like a multi-cultural, everything is relative quote from a wishy-washy fence-sitter. Please, I hope this site is not turning in the wrong direction.

310 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:58:34pm

re: #302 LeePro

Doing good. A little busy with a whole bunch of stuff. GF is working as a stylist on a T.V. show right now so I am doing a lot of puppy sitting.

311 pat  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:00:30am

re: #310 BlueCanuck

Doing good. A little busy with a whole bunch of stuff. GF is working as a stylist on a T.V. show right now so I am doing a lot of puppy sitting.

Stuck with the dogs while the old lady is working the cameras. Hmmm

312 pat  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:00:54am

nite all.

313 freetoken  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:03:00am

re: #309 yehoshua

Another Feynman quote:

Scientific views end in awe and mystery, lost at the edge in uncertainty, but they appear to be so deep and so impressive that the theory that it is all arranged as a stage for God to watch man's struggle for good and evil seems inadequate.

314 LeePro  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:04:12am

Gotta go!   ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

Eyelids at least an hour past toothpick!

'Nite {Lizards}!

315 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:04:33am

re: #311 pat

Stuck with the dogs while the old lady is working the cameras. Hmmm

It's a rough life, but someone has to do it. It really must suck being her. ;)

316 yehoshua  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:12:32am

re: #313 freetoken

If you interviewed our soldiers in Iraq, I am sure the vast majority believe in God and would proclaim that their faith is of great assistance to them in their daily struggles. Skeptics, atheists, and agnostics are loathe to fix bayonets and fight.

317 Mel Lono  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:16:06am

re: #3 RTLM

Sorry, i'm late to the party.

George Carlin: Stop Saving the Effing Planet!

An interesting take on the Gaia Hypothesis: Essentially, that the earth is one enormous bio-feedback mechanism.

318 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:17:08am

There are no atheists in foxholes.

Everybody in combat prays.

BEEN
TOLD,
R

319 Spiritualized  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:17:51am

'King' getting upset that history is being accurately reported:

"Jordan is Palestine" Plan is Receiving Attention

Jordan is in an uproar over the revival of the "Jordanian option" - the thesis that Jordan is the true home to the "Palestinians." Reports that a top advisor to US Presidential candidate John McCain is promoting this idea have led to a flurry of press reports in the Arab media, as well as a denial from Jordan's King Abdullah himself.

Some officials in Israel and the United States, however, feel it's the only way to prevent the formation of a Palestinian state.

The King responded defensively to the option, declaring in an interview with a Lebanese newspaper last week, “This country was made to stay. Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine."

Guess who also doesn't like the idea? Secretary of State for 'Palestine':

Elon said his plan enjoys the strong support of US Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kansas), "who has been actively promoting it. He spoke to [US Secretary of State] Condoleeza Rice about it, and when she said it has no chance of being accepted by the Arabs, he went to Jordan - and found that the situation was not as simple as she said.

320 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:21:41am

The Obama Plan to "End" the War:

Dunkirk:

Chosin:

Saigon:

SIMPLE
AS
THAT,
R

321 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:29:54am

re: #319 Spiritualized

If McCain himself supports the Jordanian option and receives endorsements like this from Bolton like this,

The former ambassador, often labeled a resolute neo-conservative, said he found McCain's stance on Iran far more realistic than that of the Bush administration.


I may go from reluctant supporter to enthusiastic supporter.

322 RTLM  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:31:30am

re: #317 Mel Lono

Sorry, i'm late to the party.

An interesting take on the Gaia Hypothesis: Essentially, that the earth is one enormous bio-feedback mechanism.

Sort of like a giant ant hill.

(red ones)

323 MirrorField  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:32:48am

re: #305 yehoshua

Sorry, but that Feynman quote leaves me cold . . . and it is part of the "know nothing" philosophy that leads to self-destruction.

I have to disagree. It is the "we know everything worth knowing" philosophy that leads to stagnation (read: death) in every enterprise. If you think you know everything, you become vulnerable to anyone willing to discover and adapt to some interesting tidbit of knowledge which gives them an edge.

The only way we will triumph over radical Islam is through a deep knowledge and faith that our cause is just and that our way of life is good.

Which is exactly what islamists believe in and happens to be wrong. How islam will be defeated will be a combination of superior military and economic power, combined with willingness to change and adapt. The Western way of life is superior precisely because of that adaptability.

Faith in God, faith in country, faith in doing what is right will pull us through. Our soldiers know what is right and they alone stand between us and the abyss.

Which is also exactly what islamists believe in (just replace "country" with "umma") and happens to be wrong. What will pull west through will be superior economics, superior political system, superior technology and tangible, proven knowledge of all these. Which is why Al Qaeda and other terrorists fear westernized Iraq so much: It will illuminate to everyone the aforementioned reasons for weakness and poverty of arab nations. Which is also one of the most important reasons Israel is the shining beacon of middle-east and surrounding arab dictatorships loathe it's very existence (religion just provides handy propaganda for that loathing). It worked against communism and it will work against islamism, only tactics will vary.

324 yehoshua  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:36:52am

Communism was defeated by people of faith such as Solzhenitzyn and Shiransky. Moslem faith supports a cult of death. Our faith supports life. There is a difference.

325 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:40:26am

re: #324 yehoshua

Communism was defeated partly because of American economic growth while the Soviets were at war with Afghanistan, and partly because their governments became too excessively bureaucratic for their own good. It's why their former satellite states are now our newest allies.

326 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:47:55am

US Military: Clash on Afghan-Pakistani border was with Taliban.

"The Pakistani government maintains the US military struck a paramilitary outpost in Mohmand. A Pakistani military spokesman "condemned this completely unprovoked and cowardly act on the post and regretted the loss of precious lives of our soldiers."

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===

Afghan base in Paktika hit with rounds launched from Pakistan.

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===

June 19th.

Nineteen civilians and six Taliban were killed after the Taliban ambushed and looted a convoy in Kurram Pakistan.

June 20th.

Taliban warn Pakistani truckers to stop NATO oil supply.

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]

===

"Yesterday, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said three additional combat brigades are needed to fight the Taliban and train Afghanistan forces."

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===


Umm...Admiral, how many more convoys are you planning to run through enemy held territory in Pakistan? You're going to need all three of those combat brigades just to keep the supply lines open - for those three brigades.

How about first getting rid of the dead weight foreign units that aren't allowed to fight by their governments?

HOT
SEASON,
R

327 Mel Lono  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:48:28am

re: #322 RTLM

Sort of like a giant ant hill.

Don't get the analogy, but appreciate the return. Scenarios in the book depict plankton blooms when C02 levels rise in the ocean, and at the extreme, increased cancer and HIV rates to limit human growth. Yeah, I know.

328 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:01:12am

re: #296 pat

I heard from a life long Republican today that he will vote for Obama because Obama will lower taxes, stop the Muslims from killing us, close the borders, destroy big oil and the drug companies, and pay for his medical needs.
Need I say that Bush's in-eloquence, unwillingness to secure the borders, kiss Saudi ass, inept hiring practices, has cost this nation the it's soul. We are left in the hands of an arrogant, racist fool and discredited mental dwarves. Who wish to deconstruct America .

"... pay for his medical needs"

That's what he's really saying. The rest is camouflage.

329 RTLM  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:06:15am

I'm posting this pic here for later use -

Carbomite Maneuver alien pilot.

(Nasa's Dr. Hansen)


Nite all

330 zombie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:25:48am

re: #324 yehoshua

re: #325 laZardo

My analysis is that Soviet communism was defeated because we literally bankrupted it. Mainly through the arms race and also through a variety of proxy wars.

The Vietnam War, the Soviet-Afghan War and various smaller conflicts were actually all simply battles in the much larger "Cold" war (that wasn't really that cold) between the USSR and the US. We'd support one side, the Russians would have to support the other. Because capitalism allowed for economic growth in the US, we could afford it; but because their socialist economy necessarily lead to stagnation, the Soviet Union, over time, could no longer afford it. Eventually they just ran out of money and could not hold their empire together. It was sheer random chance that the breakup happened during nthe Bush I presidency -- nothing he did personally (as president at least) led to the downfall. And while Reagan certainly accelerated their bankruptcy by upping the ante in the arms race and in proxy wars, forcing the Soviets to spend massive sums on military funding they could not even begin to afford, Reagan did not singlehandedly bring down the Soviet Union either. It was a cumulative effort over many presidencies.

In this sense, I see the Vietnam War as actually a victory for our side. Because while, after literally decades of trying, the Viet Cong eventually seized power after we left, it cost the Soviets mountains of cash to prop the Viet Cong up that whole time, and in the end their victory was a pyrrhic victory. The Viet Cong won, at a cost of draining the entire Soviet treasury. Which (I can only assume) was the whole point of our involvement in the war in the first place. Then El Salvador, Angola, Star Wars, Afghanistan, stealth technology, on and on -- the Soviets simply bled dry and their military disintegrated. And without the threat of Soviet oppression and invasion, the Warsaw pact crumbled in a couple of weeks -- game, set and match to the US.

331 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:35:42am

re: #330 zombie

That and the Vietnamese ironically were the ones to drive out Pol Pot. Gotta love that Sino-Soviet split.

332 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:51:23am

Fruit cup in 10.9.8....

333 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

334 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:00:12am

re: #332 Neo Con since 9-11

Fruit cup in 10.9.8....

May I please have chicken soup, in my fruit cup...I been up and down all night with the flu, and a temp of 101...:(

335 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:02:14am

{Dusty Vet!}

Oy. :-( I hope you feel better!

/throws in some extra Vitamin C and B Complex

336 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:03:10am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

/threw out the ones red tampered with earlier. :)

337 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:03:57am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Thanks for that! ;-)

338 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:12:35am

re: #330 zombie

After waiting more than 20 years to find them, I read two different books on the USS Pueblo incident, which I was flown out of the States in 36 hours to cover in my Army Security Agency capacity... Top Secret and all...

And I agree with Zombie: we bankrupted the Soviet Union, part of that bankrupting being because ONE of the encryption machines captured in the bowels of the USS Pueblo (the ONLY US ship EVER 'captured') was tricked out so that ONE key would always transmit its real value, no matter how they set the code to encrypt...

No matter HOW they transmitted their secrets, WE were breaking them out into plaintext as they sent them!

So the ChiCom and KorCom gloated, and used the machine to send 'at the expense and to the chagrin of the US running-dog imperialists!'

But after 5 years they suspected something, and after 9 years they figured it out and stopped using that 'secure' machine...

In the meantime, the ChiCom AND the Soviet spy networks had been SO SERIOUSLY COMPROMISED, so many operatives were known and so many methods revealed that it would have require in excess of one year's total Gross Domestic Product and a decade or so to rebuild that spy network...

Those USS Pueblo guys DIDN'T know of this, but they were heroes all the more for it!

339 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:30:44am

re: #330 zombie

Very nice analysis, zombie.

BTW, Feynman recounted that for much of his career, he was purposefully "irresponsible." More time that way for science (and other pursuits). He mostly avoided such things as committees, mentoring individual students, writing letters of recommendation, etc. He was involved in reviewing school science textbooks for California for a while, but he just could not cope gracefully with the abundance of errors, stupidity and insanity he kept finding.

340 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:35:50am

Is it feed a dolt and starve a beaver?


Thud (head on keyboard)

341 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:44:48am

re: #340 Dustyvet

Is it feed a dolt and starve a beaver?

Thud (head on keyboard)

QWERTY HEAD!

Take something* to reduce the fever with two glasses of water or some juice and go to bed.

/aspirin, tylenol, whatever...
//Jewish mother mode off

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:49:32am
343 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:53:27am

re: #342 ploome hineni

Nah. They have a better plan. They're buying us.

'Morning, ploooome!

344 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:59:09am

re: #1 sadhu

who is the knower?

Who know?

So anyway...

I'm about to start my third day on a temp work assignment.

And I think I shall add a new definition to the New Devil's Dictionary.

Nerd: Someone who at a party will sit down in a corner with a sketchbook and draw a self portrait of himself as a Traveller Character.

For Example, this fellow:

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:03:15am
346 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:06:47am

CAIR's Traitorous Cop Ally


[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

347 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:06:53am

Now this is an interesting thought:

[Link: freefall.purrsia.com...]

348 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:09:37am

re: #347 The Other Les

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that one this morning. In fact the current story line is pretty thought provoking over all.

349 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:10:33am

re: #330 zombie

Reagan did not singlehandedly bring down the Soviet Union either. It was a cumulative effort over many presidencies.

This particular revision is quite popular among academics. Like the de facto abolition of Lincoln's Birthday and Washington's Birthday in favor of the queasy "Presidents' Day", this historical quarter-truth serves only to erase the distinction between great Presidents and horrible ones, between accomplishment and appeasement.
To be sure, there was a steady pressure maintained a la George Kennan, but containment is not a winner. It's a holding action. Containment exerts as much pressure on the vessel as on the substance, if you don't mind a clumsy metaphor. We had Presidents who gave ground and took ground, sometimes in the same Presidency, and I certainly don't expect anybody to be perfect--even a President. But more credit is due the irresistible energy of our Republican form of government and our Capitalist system of economics than is due to the average president until 1976. Those winning systems are where most of the real pressure came from.
Cumulative, it was not, however. Not in the balance, as we needed to pay even more than the Soviets did for ostensibly comparable military and associated systems, because of our relatively low tolerance for loss. A Soviet system mostly needed to work. An American system needed to work, to assure public safety, and to bring its crew home safely in equal measure. So we could build anything they could, but for a vastly increased cost.
Recall that the Soviets were seen as roughly on par with us going into the Carter administration, and while fears of a "Missile Gap" were more than the actual gap warranted, the Soviets had established a manned space station as early as 1971, had far more submarines and ships than we did, some of which were startlingly powerful (Kirov, Slava, and any of the -12 or -19 shooter subs). The Soviets had an incredible amount of conventional air and ground force poised to bash through the Fulda gap and lay waste to Western Europe in a way that the immense Soviet Union was largely immune to due to simple geography. We had the harder and more expensive job of defense, and much of the technological advantage in military systems which we now take as a given was on the drawing boards at the time.
Enter President Carter, who felt that the morally correct answer was to live and let live, that the privations and depredations of Communism were no worse than freedoms and potential of a Republic. He not only believed that we could not win, he felt that we *should not* win.
And so he pared the military, abandoned our allies, and gave away our nuclear parity to reduce the "instability" of a roughly even match (as usual for men who prefer stability to freedom). President Carter had attempted to settle for a tie in a win-or-lose contest. His preferred method of bringing about peace was to ensure that we could not win and therefore would not fight.
Whatever cumulative effects might have accrued were squandered by the Carter administration. His four years saw allied governments fall to Communists and Islamists, and in the case of Afghanistan, a merely unfriendly government was knocked over (in the name of shoring it up, of course) by our increasingly ascendant adversary. Everywhere you looked, the world had gone either from good to bad or from bad to worse.
Detente was dead, replaced by Soviet expansion. Containment was also dead. We were losing the Cold War, and with the stagflation produced by dubious collectivist economic theories of stewardship (dating back to LBJ in particular, and FDR in general, and revived with a tinker's interest by the Carter Admin), we were losing the economic power which was the only thing that might reverse the otherwise disastrous trend.
With 200 chars left, I'll simply point out that we had no cumulative advantage by 1980--we were screwed. President Reagan and Pope John Paul II brought down the Soviet Union.

350 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:13:56am

Good morning, lizards.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...] Million Pledged at Palestinian Conference

Because the hundreds of millions spent so far has worked out so well.

Donors at an international conference in Berlin have pledged more than $200 million for projects to strengthen the Palestinian Authority's police and legal institutions.

A German official says the commitments of $242 million at the one-day conference Tuesday exceeded expectations. Participants from more than 40 countries had originally hoped to raise at least $184 million to fund such projects as police training and building prisons and courthouses.

International Middle East envoy, Britain's former Prime Minister Tony Blair told the conference Palestinians need to build a judicial system to help establish the infrastructure for a Palestinian state.

On the sidelines of the conference, the Mideast Quartet of international peace brokers met in the German capital Tuesday to call for calm between Israelis and Palestinians. The group urged both sides to fully respect a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, hours after reports surfaced of a Palestinian rocket attack on Israel.

The group expressed hope the truce would endure and lead to improved security for Palestinians and Israelis, as well as a return to "normal civilian life" in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

The Middle East Quartet groups the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations.

Fools and their money are soon parted.

351 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:15:41am

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

Good grief, don't you know "Six Easy Pieces" is the SEQUEL to "Five Easy Pieces," and stars Shia LeBeouf?

352 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:22:12am

Rusty at the Jawa Report links to a report that the ChiComs have demolished a mosque and confiscated all the Korans because the Muslims didn't promote the Olympics. No rioting so far in the Muslim world. Hm, I wonder why. Say Anything has more.

353 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:29:05am

re: #352 godfrey

Excellent. I like the "China just flat doesn’t care what they think and that staging protests won’t make a damn bit of difference?" quote on Say Anything. Good stuff.

354 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:34:13am

re: #353 rightwinger3

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

355 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:34:30am

re: #352 godfrey

Old news. Sort of. Jammiewearingfool posted this on his site on Monday I think. We both posted it in spinoff links for the same day.

356 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:35:09am

re: #355 BlueCanuck

And no thread? I'm surprised.

357 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:35:58am

re: #354 godfrey

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

Christians who haven't been thoroughly pussified, let's hope. Knights Hospitallers type Christians...

358 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:37:45am

re: #354 godfrey

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

Yeah, I'm with you there. Everything you mention should be very interesting to watch, and see how everything plays out.

359 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:42:49am

re: #357 Tigger2005

That's the big question. Most of those Chinese are young males.

360 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:43:33am

re: #354 godfrey

Given that the Chinese Communists aren't very friendly toward Muslims in their own borders, this should get interesting.

361 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:03am

Have you all seen footage of Hitler singing at a Nazi rally? Or am I way late to this party, too? lol

362 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:26am

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD morning.

363 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:30am

re: #359 godfrey

That's the big question. Most of those Chinese are young males.

And most of the Russians just across the border are young females. And China has a shortage of young women. And Russia has a shortage of young men. And China has too many people. And Russia has too much land.

Things will remain very interesting in our lifetimes.

364 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:45:24am

Morning, WM!

365 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:45:59am

re: #363 MajorPribluda

When hasn't it been interesting in history? My belief is that the only time it's going to be boring is right after the time the sun goes nova. :)

/nothing left to worry about.

366 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:46:37am

Morning Writer Mom. How's things today?

/looks to be a beautiful day today.

367 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:46:54am

Just poking my head into the thread. Gotta rustle up some lizard young'uns and hit the road..

368 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:06am

Writermom! I'm about to make breakfast.

369 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:37am

re: #366 BlueCanuck

Good-everything's good. I went to see "You Don't Mess With the Zohan" last night..lol.

370 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:55am

re: #368 godfrey

Feeeeeeeeed meeeeee!

371 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:48:57am

re: #365 BlueCanuck

When hasn't it been interesting in history? My belief is that the only time it's going to be boring is right after the time the sun goes nova. :)

/nothing left to worry about.

Right. And if we don't do something about this now that could happen within the next 15 billion years. I'm cereal.

372 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:17am

re: #361 godfrey

I prefer it in the original English.

373 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:25am

re: #369 WriterMom

Planning on seeing that to. heard nothing but good about.

374 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:42am

re: #363 MajorPribluda

Talk about your Sino-Soviet split right there.

375 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:51:23am

re: #18 Neo Con since 9-11

More madness from the State Department

The U.S. government is considering sending envoys to Iran for the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution to boost contact between the two nations.
The U.S. State Department was considering opening a so-called interests section in Tehran to handle such issues as visa processing and other consular services, Financial Times reported Tuesday.


Looks like it's up to the Israeli to destroy the Iranian reactors because this sounds like we won't


How would you like to try recruiting for that job at State? "Average overseas tour length? 444 days--why do you ask?"

376 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:59:19am

re: #375 MajorPribluda

How would you like to try recruiting for that job at State? "Average overseas tour length? 444 days--why do you ask?"

Some of the best spooks work for State?

Nothing else they do makes sense.

377 Stoniebob  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:03:05am

and they just might.

June 21, 2008: U.S. officials revealed that Israel has conducted a large air force exercise (over a hundred F-16s, F15s and support aircraft) that flew way out over the Mediterranean, in what appeared to be a rehearsal for an air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel said nothing about the exercise.

378 Lee Coller  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:10:07am

re: #61 schultzw

So new instead of being the world's "cop" we'll be the world's therapist?

379 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:12:09am

re: #377 Stoniebob

and they just might.

June 21, 2008: U.S. officials revealed that Israel has conducted a large air force exercise (over a hundred F-16s, F15s and support aircraft) that flew way out over the Mediterranean, in what appeared to be a rehearsal for an air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel said nothing about the exercise.


"Like their counterparts in Pakistan, for about a decade U.S. officials kept the existence of this project a secret. The reason, one participant in deliberations told me last year, was straightforward. “So long as Khushab wasn’t public, there was a chance the president could get them to stop it,” he said. “But as soon as the Pakistanis told you it was real, we had no card to play. Once it was out in the open, Pakistan would never back down.”

[Link: www.armscontrolwonk.com...]

380 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:14:09am
381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:20:01am

To know, know, know me
Is to loathe, loathe, loathe me...

382 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:22:27am

re: #361 godfrey

Have you all seen footage of Hitler singing at a Nazi rally? Or am I way late to this party, too? lol

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

383 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:25:12am

re: #374 laZardo

Back in the day, 1965-68, I was hanging out on various mountain-tops on the NorK DMZ, dealing with NorK commie problems, BUT...

we would occasionally get air-to-ground in Russian simultaneous to air-to-ground in Chinese, as MiG took on MiG in the Sino-Soviet border airspace...

NO love lost between those two, LaZardo, regardless their public smooching!

384 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:25:59am

re: #382 Tigger2005

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

No bollacks, so if they gave them to him - maybe they'd get used for something.

385 Nannette  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:28:08am

American Arab Terrorist Objects to Judge being Jewish

A Lebanese-American who has pleaded guilty to being involved in terrorism asked his judge to disqualify himself because he is Jewish, The Associated Press reported. Fawzi Mustapha Assi, 48, went against the advice of his lawyer and told the court that Judge Gerald E. Rosen is biased because he is Zionist and cannot be impartial.

Judge Rosen rejected the request, saying it was made too late in the case and that the court already "had bent over backwards" to be sure of a fair hearing. Assi was arrested in 1998 when he tried to board a plane to Lebanon with equipment for Hizbullah. He will be sentenced in two months.

386 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:31:08am

re: #385 Nannette

He probably sat smugly all through the 'kangaroo court', thinking he held an ace as his hole card, and was greatly gobsmacked when, upon playing it, he was trumped by American law and logic!

/Haw fletching haw, Bud! YOU made a real Assi out of yourself!

387 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:32:54am

re: #61 schultzw

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]


SOUNDS LIKE THE STATE DEPT TO ME.

388 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:34:30am

Who do you think can deliver the most votes in November?

La Raza and LULAC?

As near as I can tell, John McCain could pretty much give a damn what the conservatives think. He got where he is without much help from conservatives, and may not think he'll be needing much help from conservatives in the future.. McCain may really believe that a big flood of "hispanic" McCainiacs will make up for low turnout among pro-border Republicans. I really don't see that happening, but what do I know?

Or

The Chicago machine?

To start out lets get on with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) smiling his way to the nomination, if only he could shake the pesky associations with the Chicago Mob, its ties to the Democratic Machine and the relationship with one Antoin "Tony" Rezko. It is not everyday that one gets to see a Presidential candidate appear on the witness list of reputed mobster, and we might even get to hear the money exchanges between said mobster, Tony Rezko, Michelle Obama's interest in the neighbor's yard, and a bit of funding coming from the mobster's friend, Nadhmi Auchi, to help pay for the deal so that Mrs. Obama could have some 'gardening space' which would, more or less, include a whole lot next door.

Remember, the Chicago boyz pushed JFK over the top.

389 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:38:29am

re: #387 yochanan

"Peace Studies" professors everywhere are hoping for posts in such a department.

Maybe the idea is just a sop for their support. I can't see how it could possibly work from an organizational pov.

390 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:39:50am

re: #382 Tigger2005

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

But...but...but...he was sooooooo eloquent! His speeches were soooooo uplifting! He was for Hooooooppppppeeeee and Channnnnggggeeeee. He made the German volk proud to be German again. He wanted to restore Germany's standing in the world's eyes.

Herr Hitler didn't allow those Germans to continue to drive as much as they wanted, keep their houses at 72 degrees and eat as much as they wanted. No sirree, he fixed that happy crapee.

391 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:40:52am

re: #388 razorbacker

This stinks, grossly.

Backer, elections like this make me want to return Stateside and campaign for election reforms, to include AT LEAST a change on the ballot:

"Obama"

"McCain"

"None of the Above"

***
And if a plurality votes None of the Above, we've got 30 days to field a different set of candidates, with the same option on the bottom!

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:44:23am

re: #379 akak

I love your nic. Keep meaning to tell you.

393 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:45:05am

This morn I was p*ssing and moaning to my wife about the presidential election and I said something like, "This has to be the two crappiest choices in my whole life."

And my wife said, "You've been saying that for years, and next time they always manage come up with someone worse."

Honest you guys, it's a complaint, not a challenge.

394 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:46:39am

re: #391 Karridine

I think the U.S.A's problem is that the politicians running for president spend so much of the time at it, by the time the actual election is done every poor soul is exhausted and fed up. Look at it. Shrillary and Nobama have been campaigning since late 2007. Some of them even earlier. So they are looking at almost a year and a half of campainging. Probably one reason why there is a low turnout for elections.

/give me Canadian elections that at the most last two months.

395 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:46:59am

Bada-bing!

"...complaint, NOT a challenge!" :D

396 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:47:07am

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love your nic. Keep meaning to tell you.

Thanks.

397 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:48:20am

re: #394 BlueCanuck

I think the U.S.A's problem is that the politicians running for president spend so much of the time at it, by the time the actual election is done every poor soul is exhausted and fed up. Look at it. Shrillary and Nobama have been campaigning since late 2007. Some of them even earlier. So they are looking at almost a year and a half of campainging. Probably one reason why there is a low turnout for elections.

/give me Canadian elections that at the most last two months.

You make a good point. But with a two month cycle it would be POTUS Obama in a landslide. At least this way we get to have a bit of buyer's remorse set in before actually voting.

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:48:59am

re: #397 razorbacker

Takes a loooooooooooooooong time to vet candidates.

399 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:49:26am

re: #394 BlueCanuck

Roger THAT!

And I noted that Hillary, Nobama and McShane ALL missed several votes in Congress recently...

For Nobama, he'd just vote "Present!" but Shrillary and McCain MIGHT have voted for or against something... you know, Change? make a difference? Give us hope?

400 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:05am

re: #397 razorbacker

Maybe. But then again would Nobama probably wouldn't have been in position to be POTUS due to a little less exposure on the trail.

401 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:11am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whyzzat?

402 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:16am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Takes a loooooooooooooooong time to vet candidates.


Sarah Palin for POTUS & McCain for VP

403 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:51:07am

re: #402 akak

Oooh! Sign ME up! Yes for THAT!

404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:53:13am

re: #401 Karridine

For the public to at least have some idea who the candidate is. Otherwise, we're just going to see what the consultants want us to see. No time for slip-ups.

"But with a two month cycle it would be POTUS Obama in a landslide."


...Razorbacker

405 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:53:37am

Morning Lizards.

Kiss goodbye to your sales, Stonewall tells 'homophobic' Heinz after advert is pulled

Gay rights supporters have been urged to boycott Heinz products, after the company dropped a mayonnaise advertisement that showed two men kissing.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:54:16am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Ewwwwwww! For mayo? What were they thinking?

407 TimeQuake  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:55:45am

...

408 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:56:12am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Maybe. But then again would Nobama probably wouldn't have been in position to be POTUS due to a little less exposure on the trail.

Obama is one of those guys that, them closer you look, the more you see that makes you go Naaaaaah.

It's like only being able to afford one car, and buying a full-on racer. Cool at first, then you notice you can't carry your groceries home, it's painfully loud, there's no place for your sweetie to ride and the mileage sucks.

409 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:56:15am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

So "10%" of the population is going to bring down Heinz?

/talk about delusions of grandeur.

410 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:58:04am

re: #408 razorbacker

using the same analogy, and the orginal sticker price was way more than you thought you could afford.

411 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:00:51am

re: #404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hmmm.... y'know, I think you're right... but in the wake of an active contest that has HAD discussion, and suggestions, we should be able to come up with somebody a lot faster than 6 months to a year!

Again, I see the wisdom in taking a bit longer to consider candidates AND subject them to a public scrutiny, Fat Blessed Veterinarian.

412 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:01:43am

re: #344 The Other Les

Who know?

So anyway...

I'm about to start my third day on a temp work assignment.

And I think I shall add a new definition to the New Devil's Dictionary.

Nerd: Someone who at a party will sit down in a corner with a sketchbook and draw a self portrait of himself as a Traveller Character.

For Example, this fellow:

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

ayn rand G-D is dead
G-D AYN RAND IS DEAD

413 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:03:21am

Crowded wards 'add to patient infection risks'

In England, the number of hospital beds has been cut by more than 25 per cent since 1981, from more than 200,000 to fewer than 140,000, but patient numbers have soared.

/Universal health care at its finest

414 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:04:06am

re: #410 BlueCanuck

using the same analogy, and the orginal sticker price was way more than you thought you could afford.

My Daddy always claimed that the road to ruin for a working man was too-easy credit. He was more of a pay-as-you-go type.

Chapped me no end as a child. But on his death I was able to go around town and pay off his outstanding bills out of my wallet.

And I don't carry much cash.

415 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:04:43am

re: #414 razorbacker

And that is pure wisdom.

416 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:06:14am

re: #414 razorbacker

Smart Dad.

/caring son...

417 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:07:16am

re: #402 akak

Sarah Palin for POTUS & McCain for VP

SARAH PALIN IS A MILF
at least when you get screwed by her (as all politicans tend to do) you might like it

JUST KIDDING TAG

418 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:08:50am

re: #417 yochanan

Mighty
Intelligent
Lovely
Filly, eh?

419 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:10:01am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

Kiss goodbye to your sales, Stonewall tells 'homophobic' Heinz after advert is pulled

Gay rights supporters have been urged to boycott Heinz products, after the company dropped a mayonnaise advertisement that showed two men kissing.

WHAT NO MAYO WITH THE SAUSAGE?

420 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:11:28am

re: #418 Karridine


There is a muslim terrorist group called the M.I.L.F. i bet they aren't happy if they ever google there groups name.

421 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:13:29am

Good morning Lizards............

422 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:14:09am

bokar tov dorian

423 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:15:13am

re: #422 yochanan

bokar tov dorian

Shalom yochanan.....................

424 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:15:51am

BBIAWhile...

425 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:17:13am

See all y'all tonight. I've got to pack a bag and then go out and attempt to snatch a few bucks from the ravenous maw of the capitalistic beast.

Hope I don't lose a finger.

426 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:19:51am

was reading WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY'S book

Getting it RIGHT

were he eviserated both the john birch society and ayn rand. wondering out loud should i send a copy of Buckley book Nuremberg the Reckoning to PAT PUKEANAN?

WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY JR. you will be missed!

427 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:19:53am

Good morning, all. Another hot one inside the perimeter (or "ITP" as they say).

There was some fun batting around a suspected Paulian last night.

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:20:46am

re: #425 razorbacker

Hell, I'm hoping to take one! heh heh heh. (hope that sounds malevolent enough!)

429 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:21:12am

re: #412 yochanan

Speaking of Traveller. 5th Edition has been out about a month now. Cleaned up version fo the original edition

So I'm a geek. sue me

430 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:21:39am

Mornin' all. Those Gaia lovers in Cali better get out there and do a sacrifice. 842 active fires from a lighting storm, not dumbass humans.

431 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:22:20am

Attention all Lizards, Dr Rusty over at Jawa has a must read, ket me stress this... This is a Not Safe For Muslims article... Read this article at your own risk...

432 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:22:55am

Good morning ping, Lucius....

433 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:23:16am

re: #427 Lucius Septimius

How much fun was it? Damn, that idiot Richardson on Fox, again!

434 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:24:01am

re: #432 doriangrey

Mornin' DG. Any fires in SD county?

435 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:24:14am

re: #429 Jewels (AKA Julian)

there's a few of us on here. I heard about D&D fourth edition and started looking for third editions.

/and none of that broken 3.5 either.

//well maybe some of the 3.5's with lots of house rules to balance.

436 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:24:22am

re: #430 pingjockey

Mornin' all. Those Gaia lovers in Cali better get out there and do a sacrifice. 842 active fires from a lighting storm, not dumbass humans.

Oh for crying out loud, please do not stir up the imbeciles living out here...

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:24:31am

Out to take a finger. Later Taters!

438 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:25:10am

re: #433 pingjockey

How much fun was it? Damn, that idiot Richardson on Fox, again!

Not that I know of, but then I just got up and haven't watched the news yet either....

439 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:25:20am

re: #430 pingjockey

Mornin' all. Those Gaia lovers in Cali better get out there and do a sacrifice. 842 active fires from a lighting storm, not dumbass humans.

just think of all the co2 sent by mother gaia

440 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:25:23am

re: #436 doriangrey

Mwahahaha! I am the pot stirrer or moonbat baiter, take your pick.

441 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:26:08am

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Out to take a finger. Later Taters!

You leave razorbacker fingers alone you crazy veggie.....

442 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:27:35am

re: #435 BlueCanuck

Heh...Well. I've to core book for Traveller and it's exactly what it is. the core rules. clean. concisce. to the point. and not farted up witha lot of pretty pictures. It's a book to be used and I rather like it that way.

that being said...no errors or cockups I've found so far in it

443 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:27:35am

re: #439 yochanan

That oughta cool things down. Was watching a show on Discover about 'super volcanos. One went off down in Malayasia 100k plus years ago and....gasp caused global cooling, like an ice age.

444 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:29:00am

re: #417 yochanan

Who is Sarah Palin?

445 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:29:02am

Well, I have extended my stay here but now I have to go. Have a good day lizards and may all our cali brothers be safe.

446 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:29:18am

can we have global cooling in the summer and global warming in the winter? how about a little june snow.

447 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:29:23am

re: #443 pingjockey

That oughta cool things down. Was watching a show on Discover about 'super volcanos. One went off down in Malayasia 100k plus years ago and....gasp caused global cooling, like an ice age.

Damn volcano's driving their gas guzzling SUV around screwing up the climate...

448 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:29:33am

re: #445 BlueCanuck

Later eh.

449 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:30:05am

re: #445 BlueCanuck

Well, I have extended my stay here but now I have to go. Have a good day lizards and may all our cali brothers be safe.

Take off hoser..........

450 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:30:19am

re: #447 doriangrey

Apparently those damn SUVs have made it to Mars too.

451 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:30:20am

one would think that our canadian lizards would like a little global warming esp in jan and feb in quebec city.

452 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:31:01am

re: #432 doriangrey

Mornin, your dudeness.

453 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:31:20am

chicago had a real winter this year first time in a couple of decades.

454 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:31:35am

re: #450 pingjockey

Apparently those damn SUVs have made it to Mars too.

Yup, apparently you can go anywhere in the solar system in a good old gas guzzling SUV...

455 sadhu  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:31:40am

re: #344 The Other Les

Who know?

First base.

456 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:32:24am

re: #433 pingjockey

How much fun was it? Damn, that idiot Richardson on Fox, again!

It was reasonably fun -- he tried to keep up an argument in support of Bob Barr's candidacy. When he raised the "phony war on terror" flag was when the fun really got started. He hung in for a while and then fled.

457 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:33:28am

re: #456 Lucius Septimius

Phony war on terror? That musta really started the ball rolling!

458 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:34:14am

re: #447 doriangrey

Damn volcano's driving their gas guzzling SUV around screwing up the climate...

No, it was George W. Bush in his neocon zionist time machine.

459 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:34:22am

Did anyone check out the Jawa article I linked to up thread? I'm telling you, it's a doosey... Dr. Rusty is sure to get fatwad for this one...

460 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:34:48am

FNC going to talk about fireworks safety, reminds me I need to go to the Indian res and get the good fireworks.

461 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:34:58am

re: #456 Lucius Septimius

It was reasonably fun -- he tried to keep up an argument in support of Bob Barr's candidacy. When he raised the "phony war on terror" flag was when the fun really got started. He hung in for a while and then fled.

he got his paulite azz stomped on you can find bits of it in the trash will all the other moonbat rubbish.

462 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:35:17am

re: #457 pingjockey

Phony war on terror? That musta really started the ball rolling!

You bet. Way too many Desert Storm vets and friends and parents of currently deployed troops for it to be allowed to make that claim unchallenged.

463 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:35:45am

re: #461 yochanan

I miss all the fun. :(

464 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:36:55am

re: #463 pingjockey

at least this was fun i can't stand the whole I.D. fighting though

465 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:38:08am

re: #464 yochanan

at least this was fun i can't stand the whole I.D. fighting though

I can stand it either, but it is kind of fun watching Charles have his fun with it.

466 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:38:49am

re: #459 doriangrey

Did anyone check out the Jawa article I linked to up thread? I'm telling you, it's a doosey... Dr. Rusty is sure to get fatwad for this one...

For this line if nothing else:

Yes, Muhammad was a pedophile. Yes, Muhammad was a sick bastard. Yes, if Muhammad was alive today he'd be serving time in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiary.

Preach it, Rusty! Preach it!

467 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:39:08am

re: #464 yochanan

re: #465 doriangrey

Yep. That ID stuff gets vile. I usually just watch in horrified fascination.

468 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:39:44am

IDF closes Gaza cargo crossings following Kassam attacks

Hamas leader Khalil al-Haya said Wednesday that while Hamas remained committed to the cease-fire, it would not act as Israel's "police force" in confronting terrorists who breech the truce.
Kassams are fired at Israel...

He said Hamas was exerting pressure on Islamic Jihad to stop the rocket fire, but stressed that Hamas would not confront rocket launching squads on the ground.

/Ummmm.... Isn't hamas the "duly elected government?" and therefore responsible for policing their territory.

// We all saw this coming from the start. Too bad Olmert wouldn't listen.

469 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:40:59am

re: #468 Bubblehead II

Duly elected gov't=inmates running the asylum.

470 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:41:36am

Good Morning Lizards.. It's going to be a hot one today
in Indiana..
how is everyone this fine morning?

471 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:41:40am

M 1000, now we're talking fireworks!

472 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:42:37am

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Fine, did you all get that 7 in. of rain?

473 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:43:08am

re: #467 pingjockey

re: #465 doriangrey

Yep. That ID stuff gets vile. I usually just watch in horrified fascination.

Let me put my comment into perspective. As a born again Christian whose education was very heavily slanted in the hard sciences (Physic's major for 3 years (plus 2 years of college credit physic's in high school) before changing my major to music) I personally have no problem reconciling my Christian faith and science.

474 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:43:33am

re: #459 doriangrey

Yep, and WriterMom got a hat tip from him. Way to go

475 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:46:05am

re: #474 Bubblehead II

Yep, and WriterMom got a hat tip from him. Way to go

Yup, saw that... WriterMom be da bomb diggity.......

476 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:47:56am

It isn't a statement here or there that reveals Buchanan's fixation with Jews -- it's the consistent theme of it that appears in his statements over the years. Even William F. Buckley reluctantly concluded that Buchanan was an anti-Semite after carefully reviewing dozens of his statements about Jews in a very long National Review article. And John Muravchik, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, concluded a similar review in Commentary Magazine by saying that "Taken cumulatively, Buchanan's rhetoric about Jews pretty clearly betrays an underlying sense of grievance or irritation

I THINK IT WAS CLEAR WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY JR. THOUGH PAT PUKEANAN WAS A BIGOT. NOTHING RELUCTANT ABOUT HIS NATIONAL REVIEW PIECE.

477 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:48:02am

re: #471 pingjockey

M 1000, now we're talking fireworks!

Sigh...................Cant have them things here in the Peoples Communist Republic of Kalifornia...

478 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #477 doriangrey

Don't they sell them on the res out bu the casino in the east county?

479 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:49:54am

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Doin' fine.

You made a hit with that one post last night.

62 updings ...

480 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:51:00am

re: #478 pingjockey

Don't they sell them on the res out bu the casino in the east county?

I'm pretty sure the answer to that is not NO, but HELL NO....

481 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:51:15am

re: #472 pingjockey

Fine, did you all get that 7 in. of rain?


It was dry here yesterday..
spent time out on the golf course..

482 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:51:30am

re: #473 doriangrey

To me the whole thing is a theological debate and I don't debate religion at all. I am a Jew and believe in G-d but it goes against my whole being to debate religious beliefs esp since Jews were forced to do this in Europa.

483 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:51:41am

Well folks it has been fun, but now it is time to go do battle with busted pumps and leaking hot tubs. Have a fine day y'all.

484 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:54:38am

good morning lizards!

485 Beobachter  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:59:01am

Good morning Lizards.

The statement

I don't know anything

can never be logically correct, because if you know that you don't know anything, you know something.

486 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:00:26am

re: #482 yochanan

To me the whole thing is a theological debate and I don't debate religion at all. I am a Jew and believe in G-d but it goes against my whole being to debate religious beliefs esp since Jews were forced to do this in Europa.

My dear friend, let us not deceive ourselves. Were it not for the Jewish tradition of questioning everything and seeking logical rational answers to their questions that became part and parcel of the Christian faith there would be no science to day. While Aristotle and Protagoras may have been the fathers of science, they also pretty much killed their own child with their other beliefs. It was the Christian and Jew's who revived it. And not to defend their religions, but because they believed that god created the universe using laws and principals that were not magic, that could be understood if diligently studied.

487 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:01:03am

re: #484 Typicalwhitey

good morning T.W.P.

488 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:01:10am

Well folks time for me to head off to work as well.

489 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:01:14am

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

Doin' fine.

You made a hit with that one post last night.

62 updings ...

that's a cool nick
Thank you..but all the credit goes to Jordan and his service in the Marines...So many people have been so kind.. The last couple of months in Iraq he was begging us to tell all the church groups and friends to stop sending care packages..that he simply didn't have any more need for socks/underwear/candy/canned tuna and the like..
He sent a picture his buddy took of him giving away candy to the local kids and they published the picture on the front page of our local paper.. So now we say he's famous around these parts.

490 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #489 HoosierHoops

that's a cool nick
Thank you..but all the credit goes to Jordan and his service in the Marines...So many people have been so kind.. The last couple of months in Iraq he was begging us to tell all the church groups and friends to stop sending care packages..that he simply didn't have any more need for socks/underwear/candy/canned tuna and the like..
He sent a picture his buddy took of him giving away candy to the local kids and they published the picture on the front page of our local paper.. So now we say he's famous around these parts.

Well god bless you and Jordan.

491 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:02:11am

re: #417 yochanan

SARAH PALIN IS A MILF
at least when you get screwed by her (as all politicans tend to do) you might like it

JUST KIDDING TAG

The Presidency is always about the figurehead! just ask Bill

/lol

Hotair had some good stuff on her yesterday, she seems to get it.

Don't think for a minute he'll pick her, if Lindsay Graham is chosen will any Republicans vote for him?

492 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:02:58am

Obama to Bush: Hamas must recognize Israel

“We must press Egypt to devote more resources and effort to stopping the smuggling of weapons into Gaza from the Sinai, where much of Hamas’ weaponry arrives from,” Democratic US presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama said in a letter addressed to US President George W. Bush.

This isn't going to win him any brownie points with the RoP.

/cair seething in 5...4...3...2...1

493 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:04:17am

re: #459 doriangrey

Did anyone check out the Jawa article I linked to up thread? I'm telling you, it's a doosey... Dr. Rusty is sure to get fatwad for this one...

In a somewhat related story (from yesterday's BotW):

The Great and General Court of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is considering passing a "Jessica's law." Named after 12-year-old Jessica Lunsford, who was raped and murdered by a repeat sex offender, the proposed law would require a mandatory 20-year prison sentence for anyone convicted of raping a child under 12.

The Boston Herald reports that Rep. James Fagan is a critic of the legislation:

Fagan, a defense attorney, infuriated victims' rights advocates during a recent House debate when he said he would "rip apart" 6-year-old victims on the witness stand and "make sure the rest of their life is ruined."

In a fiery soliloquy on the House floor, Fagan said he'd grill victims so that, "when they're 8 years old they throw up; when they're 12 years old, they won't sleep; when they're 19 years old, they'll have nightmares and they'll never have a relationship with anybody."

Fagan did not return calls seeking comment.

What political party does Fagan belong to? The Herald doesn't say, but we'll give you three guesses.

494 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:04:46am

re: #489 HoosierHoops

I am sure some one else can use the stuff. even if he doesn't I am sure at least he knows the ave American thinks of him and his comrades

495 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:07:08am

[Link: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...]

This is particularly evident as MEND's open source war against the government and its corporate partners (Shell, Chevron, etc.) speeds up. In one week, they have taken out over 400,000 barrels a day of oil

496 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:08:25am

Youth walks free after gang attack on priest

A drunken teenager who beat up a priest walked free yesterday after the judge accepted the attack was a 'one-off mistake'.

Babul Islam was one of three Asian youths who attacked Canon Michael Ainsworth in his churchyard.

The 19-year-old punched the vicar in the head while others kicked him ' one all¬egedly shouting 'f*****g priest' ' only stopping when passers-by intervened.

His battered victim spent nearly two weeks in hospital after the assault, which prosecutor Carl May-Smith said 'had a profound effect on him'.

The shop assistant admitted being extremely drunk during the attack but denied it was religiously-motivated ' a claim upheld by Judge Glenn Brasse.

Islam and the two other assailants set upon Mr Ainsworth in March, leaving him with cuts and bruises. When the 57-year-old clergyman returned to the congregation at St George-In-The-East church in Shadwell, east London, his face was still swollen and he had black eyes.

Hey, it was a simple mistake. Coulda happened to anyone. Shoot, I accidentally beat up 3 priests last week.

/

497 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:08:40am

Oh brother! A little help here anyone? This is a brainwashed 19 yr. old girl I've been trying to explain Gaza to...


As for your view that the media is overwhelmingly sympathetic towards Palestinians, I couldn't disagree more. In fact last semester I did a project for my Intercultural Communication class in which I examined Western portrayals of Muslims and Arabs. I based my research primarily on articles from peer-reviewed academic journals, though occasionally used excerpts from my textbook for that class. All of the literature that I read on the subject concluded that there were no positive portrayals of Muslims or Arabs in Western media.

Obviously, her freshman research paper would stand up against any but the most powerful sources any of you can supply me with.

498 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:13:41am

re: #497 Spenser (with an S)

It all has to do with how one defines "sympathetic" or "positive." I'm sure the communications course used Marxist-grounded definitions which would ensure that ANY Western discussion would be negative through the imposition of stereotypes, eurocentric concepts of logic, etc.

Rather than try to provide evidence to the contrary, interrogate her evidence -- what were the excerpts? What was the subject of the articles? How many did she use? What were the journals? What was the context of the material? Next step is to examine the logic. How did she determine that the statements were "unsympathetic" or "not positive"? My suspicion is that the excerpts are either fundamentally innocuous or taken out of context, while the definitions are whack.

499 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:13:59am

re: #493 Lucius Septimius

What political party does Fagan belong to? The Herald doesn't say, but we'll give you three guesses.

My guess would be the NAMBLA wing of the democrat party.

*SPIT*

/Good Morning Everybody!

500 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:15:18am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Guaranteed if the situation were reversed that it would be unquestionably labeled a "hate crime."

501 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:17:08am

re: #497 Spenser (with an S)

She probably begins with the assumption that the Paleostinians are fundamentally "correct" as the oppressed, while the West and the "Zionist entity" are fundamentally "wrong" as imperialist oppressors.

Evidence is useless against ideological bigotry, unfortunately.

502 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:19:00am

re: #500 Lucius Septimius

Guaranteed if the situation were reversed that it would be unquestionably labeled a "hate crime."

Of course and CAIR would be right there screaming for 'justice'.

503 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:19:52am

re: #501 Lucius Septimius

She probably begins with the assumption that the Paleostinians are fundamentally "correct" as the oppressed

Ding, ding, ding! You are correct! Now I just need to ask her how a tiny, greatly hated country could oppress an enormous region like the Arab middle-east and why their "brothers" with billions won't help them.

504 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:19:57am

re: #502 NJDhockeyfan

Of course and CAIR would be right there screaming for 'justice'.

From the official CAIR dictionary:

Justice = behead the wicked kaffir!

505 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:21:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The situation in Israel remains as it has been, and so are the demands by the terrorists for the release of hundreds of Palestinian terrorists from Israeli jails in exchange for Shalit, Goldwasser, and Regev. It's a swap meet, but the terrorists demands haven't changed one iota. Olmert and the Israeli government is more than willing to cede vital security interests, but history has repeatedly shown that appeasement of the terrorists only results in more attacks and kidnapping operations to put us right back in this situation.

506 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:22:08am
507 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:22:14am

re: #489 HoosierHoops

Thank your son for all he's done. It's soldiers and Marines like him that make us proud.

508 Lively  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:22:30am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan


I cannot believe that. Letting them walk encourages more of the same.

509 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #503 Spenser (with an S)

Ding, ding, ding! You are correct! Now I just need to ask her how a tiny, greatly hated country could oppress an enormous region like the Arab middle-east and why their "brothers" with billions won't help them.

They are all in thrall to the moneyed power of the imperialist powers. We maintain terrorist regimes that oppress their own people in order to exact the greatest profit for Bush and his cronies, while creating a "phony war on terror" to justify ruthless suppression of dissent at home and imperialist adventures abroad.

/ see how easy it is?

510 Lively  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:24:18am

Morning lizards.

I joined Weight Watchers yesterday for the first time in my life. It was kinda like church except they were preaching portion control, fruits, vegetables and lean meats.

511 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:24:59am

re: #509 Lucius Septimius

see how easy it is?

Wow, you speak fluent moonbat!

512 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:25:53am

re: #511 Spenser (with an S)

Wow, you speak fluent moonbat!

Years of practice.

513 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:26:41am

Today may see the release of Heller - there's only a few days left in the term, so buckle down for what will likely be a wild ride. Speculation has it that Scalia penned the Heller decision because he has yet to sign a majority opinion so far this term, though that remains to be seen. Seven cases remain on the docket for the term.

514 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:27:05am

re: #500 Lucius Septimius

Guaranteed if the situation were reversed that it would be unquestionably labeled a "hate crime."

No, not in there. This is a 'hate crime in the UK:

An acclaimed British author could be charged with committing a hate crime after offering a scathing criticism of Islamic radicalism.

Ian McEwan, author of widely praised novels Atonement and Enduring Love, condemned Muslim extremists for attempting to establish a tyrannical society intolerant of women and homosexuals. His comments were made in the context of defending his friend and fellow novelist Martin Amis, who had previously been denounced as a racist for other supposedly anti-Islamic remarks.

“Martin is not a racist,” McEwan told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. “And I myself despise Islamism, because it wants to create a society that I detest, based on religious belief, on a text, on lack of freedom for women, intolerance towards homosexuality and so on – we know it well.”

He also attacked pro-Muslim political correctness. “As soon as a writer expresses an opinion against Islamism, immediately someone on the left leaps to his feet and claims that because the majority of Muslims are dark-skinned, he who criticizes it is racist,” he said.

McEwan’s comments caused an uproar and were promptly denounced by the Muslim Council of Britain.

515 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:28:27am

Teen arrested in hate crime


An Arapahoe County teenager has been arrested and another is under investigation on suspicion of painting swastikas on a Jewish homeowner's garage door.
516 jcw46  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:29:21am

re: #60 angst

Then there's t the known, the unknown, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns?

Donald made sense to me. I don't know why everyone thought that was so funny.


re: #70 jcm

I heard Donald on that, and said "damn straight!" Those who make fun, don't understand know.


Fixed that for ya :>

517 Lively  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:29:23am

re: #492 Bubblehead II

Obama to Bush: Hamas must recognize Israel

“We must press Egypt to devote more resources and effort to stopping the smuggling of weapons into Gaza from the Sinai, where much of Hamas’ weaponry arrives from,” Democratic US presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama said in a letter addressed to US President George W. Bush.

This isn't going to win him any brownie points with the RoP.

/cair seething in 5...4...3...2...1


I wouldn't be so sure CAIR will be seething. They know Obama has his fingers crossed behind his back.

518 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:30:56am

Anyone see that link above that claims to have proof the "birth certificate" Markos posted on Obama's behalf was BS?

If true, Markos is laughing his butt off--to bad it will only come back to bite him in that situation.

519 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:32:10am

re: #515 NJDhockeyfan

Teen arrested in hate crime

Please, stop with the hate crimes business. If you are over 12 years old, it's OK to be offended.

520 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:32:34am

re: #518 Hard Right

It was real.

521 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:34:01am

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (74 degrees, going up to 96 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this fine morning?

522 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:34:18am

re: #518 Hard Right

Anyone see that link above that claims to have proof the "birth certificate" Markos posted on Obama's behalf was BS?

Any certificate like that must have an embossed state seal and a date of issue, period. It's a fake.

523 jcw46  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:35:30am

re: #101 angst

Abby's the dead one.

524 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:36:01am

re: #522 faraway

Any certificate like that must have an embossed state seal and a date of issue, period. It's a fake.

Here's the link another lizard submitted.
[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

525 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:37:28am
526 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:37:32am

re: #521 realwest

Mornin' Real. Doing ok today, but we'll see how I am after working out.

I'll drop you a line later today.

527 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:38:00am
528 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:38:35am

Morning lizards. So I went to see "You Don't Mess With the Zohan" last night. It was really too long, and Mr. WriterMom and I agreed that it had an underlying 'can't we all get along' crappy theme to it, but there were still places where we were laughing hysterically. If anyone knows Israelis, or has been hit on by Israeli men-you'll really have a good giggle. I actually thought that underneath some of the slapstick was some pretty sophisticated commentary on the Middle East.

529 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:41:05am

re: #528 WriterMom

It does look like a funny movie.

530 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:42:03am

my congress critter is a left wing donk not just your run of the mill donk and she always gets 70% of the vote even when her hubby was sitting in federal pen for bank fraud and tax evasion for their joint tax return which she also signed.

i am for term limits at least we would get different crooks and it would take them time to learn on the job

531 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:42:36am

re: #517 Lively

I wouldn't be so sure CAIR will be seething. They know Obama has his fingers crossed behind his back.


Do muslims cross their fingers, or make a crescent?

532 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:42:43am
533 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:42:44am

Not good. Guy went postal at work

6 dead in Henderson, Ky., plastics plant shooting

Philbrook says the employee began arguing with a supervisor around midnight, then shot the supervisor before opening fire in a break room. Police say the shooter ended the rampage by killing himself.

534 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:43:21am
535 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:43:22am

re: #521 realwest

Hey {realwest}!
How are you this morning?

We had one helluva lighting storm yesterday and last night.

536 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:43:27am

Good Morning all —

Mt. Wilson Towercam, eastern light upon another tower.

Camp Breakfast, eat all you want !

May they eat all they want in other countries too, bless this food Amen.

537 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:43:54am

re: #528 WriterMom

Morning lizards. So I went to see "You Don't Mess With the Zohan" last night. It was really too long, and Mr. WriterMom and I agreed that it had an underlying 'can't we all get along' crappy theme to it, but there were still places where we were laughing hysterically. If anyone knows Israelis, or has been hit on by Israeli men-you'll really have a good giggle. I actually thought that underneath some of the slapstick was some pretty sophisticated commentary on the Middle East.

I have to agree about everyone getting along part, but liked the movie. Very funny. Never been hit on by Israeli men...or women for that matter. I can always hope for the latter, though.
I did find the gratuitous Adam Sandler butt shots to be too much, but I'm a guy.

538 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:44:26am
539 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:44:51am

re: #526 Lucius Septimius Hey Lucius - glad to hear you're going to go work out - do a few reps for me, would ya?! LOL!
E-mail me when you get a chance, please, I'd love to hear from you!

540 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:45:34am

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

That's what a trailer is designed to do. Think of how many trailers you've seen that contain all the decent moments in a film.

That's not the case here. Go see it.

541 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:45:58am
542 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:47:57am

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

Considerate of him to save the state the cost of a trial and incarceration. Would that the jihadis were so considerate. Whatever became of that much-vaunted Arabian politeness?

So many places scrimp on security and it allows stuff like this to happen. Now a bunch of families will suffer as a result. RIP.

543 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:48:28am

re: #535 Typicalwhitey

Hi Typicalwhitey! I'm doing fine - we finally made it through a night without having t-storms or losing power!
How are you doing? Was there any damage done by that lightning storm?

544 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:48:54am

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, when they (jihadists) do kill themselves, they tend to take out a large number of innocents with their explosive belts.

545 jcw46  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:50:15am

re: #193 AZfederalist

Yep, the old Latin saying: Si Vera Pacem, Para Bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war) has always been a truism. Works on a small scale (you aren't going to mess with the body builder down the block), works on a large scale: if we had a pair in the 70's, Iran wouldn't be pursuing nukes now.


We had a pair. The pr*ck-in-charge was a feckless fool.

546 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:50:46am

in Ill. you would be lucky if you could get a R.I.N.O. elected here at least in Chicagoastan it is between moderate/liberal donks vs. moonbat leftist donks.

some of you would call me a R.I.N.O i guess since I am centerist and or moderate on many social issues. I really don't care who you want to bonk when i am not looking none of my bonking bus.

547 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:51:02am

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

RE: Solar;

I'm a centrist & I must say that ultimately the sun will have to supply most of our energy needs, other sources will not last nearly as long.

It is fortunate indeed that the sun will shine, shine, shine for billions of years more, and for free too. And the amount of energy it dumps on us every day completely dwarfs any reasonable energy needs we may ever have.

The moonbats are right in this area, and had we been on the ball since the 1970s in developing solar (includes wind & wave & bio fuels) we would not be in the mess we are in now, paying high prices driven up by over demand for an oil supplied to us by enemies.

There you have it.

548 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:51:08am

re: #537 Hard Right

There was just an added layer of funny when you are more familiar with Israeli culture. So-we pretty much agree.

549 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:52:35am

re: #541 taxfreekiller

Morning, tfk. The only problem I have with term-limits is something I noticed here in MI when we implemented them for state offices. The reps. change frequently, but the staffers and lobbyists stay the same. The newbies inevitably are led around by the "pros" who know the ins and outs and how to "get things done". Not that it shouldn't be tried, but we have to figure out those issues also. FWIW.

550 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:52:54am

Joe Klein: People Like Obama Aren’t Let Into Republican Country Clubs


In a statement reminiscent of Howard Dean’s controversial statement from 2005 about the RNC and "people of color," Time magazine columnist Joe Klein blasted Karl Rove’s recent slam of Barack Obama on Monday’s "Election Center" program on CNN. "I just think that the image is kind of hilarious when you think about it: Barack Obama at a country club sipping a martini. It's kind of a parody of the Republican view of the world. Everybody belongs to -- since when [did] we start letting people like Barack Obama into Republican country clubs?"

"People like Barack Obama"? That sounds like Dean’s "You think the RNC could get this many people of color into a single room?... Maybe if they got the hotel staff in there."

551 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:53:13am

Quincy Jones wants a Minister Secretary of Culture in the Obama Administration.

The BET Awards were all about Obama last night.

During his monologue, host D.L. Hughley cracked jokes about Obama. Other attendees were more flattering. Backstage, Humanitarian Award winner Quincy Jones said he wanted Obama to be elected and create a Secretary of Culture position.
552 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #543 realwest

No damage but I have a little story about one of my dogs.
He is a little guy but the toughest of my dogs (including my german shepard lol)
He kills marauding animals, like coons and such, he won't let them get near the house and his mommy lol.
Once I saw him chase off two great danes that out weighed him by a hundred pounds each easily.

But if a thunderstorm approaches, he must HIDE in the shower in my back bathroom. We live on a farm and don't normally allow animals in the house, but he is so terrified that even my husband takes pity on him and lets him in LOL.

So...coyotes, bears, dinosaurs, wooly mammoths..not a problem.
But thunderstorms........

553 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:54:39am

re: #551 Who Watches the Watchmen?

And a Ministry of Mind Control, Secretary of Nationalization of Industry...blah blah.

554 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:54:40am

re: #548 WriterMom

just not sure i want to see HOLLYWIRD'S VIEW OF ISRAELI CULTURE

555 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:55:32am

re: #550 NJDhockeyfan

Joe Klein: People Like Obama Aren’t Let Into Republican Country Clubs

But but but I thought it was the Republicans that were racist?!?

556 BBev  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:55:43am

re: #543 realwest

Hey Real I just got back and everything was fine.

557 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:56:05am

re: #547 Ojoe


The moonbats are right in this area, and had we been on the ball since the 1970s in developing solar (includes wind & wave & bio fuels) we would not be in the mess we are in now, paying high prices driven up by over demand for an oil supplied to us by enemies.

Perhaps, but the moonbats would have had better luck (and would still have better luck) if they approached the question from another direction than the "worship gaia, doom and gloom, live with less, capitalism stinks" mantra.

Far too many of the eco-conscious type view energy independence as a matter for themselves alone -- for the ideological/spiritual elite. The idea of making it accessible to the masses goes against their way of thinking.

558 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:56:44am
559 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:57:03am

The other day i had a black lumpin' go off on me because i openly supported John McCain this is going to get much worse before it is all over.

560 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:57:21am

re: #557 Lucius Septimius

True what you say.

561 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:57:33am

re: #556 BBev Hey that's just EXCELLENT NEWS! Congratulations!

562 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:58:16am

re: #550 NJDhockeyfan

Joe Klein: People Like Obama Aren’t Let Into Republican Country Clubs

I wouldn't let commies into my country club.

563 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:58:24am

re: #547 Ojoe

RE: Solar;

I'm a centrist & I must say that ultimately the sun will have to supply most of our energy needs, other sources will not last nearly as long.

It is fortunate indeed that the sun will shine, shine, shine for billions of years more, and for free too. And the amount of energy it dumps on us every day completely dwarfs any reasonable energy needs we may ever have.

The moonbats are right in this area, and had we been on the ball since the 1970s in developing solar (includes wind & wave & bio fuels) we would not be in the mess we are in now, paying high prices driven up by over demand for an oil supplied to us by enemies.

There you have it.

Not so sure about that. There has been quite a lot of work done on solar, and it still isn't up to snuff. In fact, no one is has been able to make it efficient enough for our needs. Even if it had been an absolute priority, I doubt it would that much further along.

564 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:58:41am

No matter what color they are.

565 BBev  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:58:59am

re: #561 realwest


Now it's time to EAT

566 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 6:59:04am

re: #559 yochanan

The other day i had a black lumpin' go off on me because i openly supported John McCain this is going to get much worse before it is all over.


It is racist if you support McCain.
But it is not racist to support Obama because of his skin color.

/spit!

567 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:00:17am

re: #558 Ojoe

Way cool!

568 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:00:34am

re: #545 jcw46

We had a pair. The pr*ck-in-charge was a feckless fool.

And tool.

569 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:01:04am

re: #563 Hard Right

I've designed passive solar houses that gather the energy equivalent of 300 gallons of oil every heating season. It's doable, and nothing exotic.

Check out "The Passive Solar Energy Book" by Mazria (Rodale Press).

570 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:01:21am

re: #563 Hard Right

Not so sure about that. There has been quite a lot of work done on solar, and it still isn't up to snuff. In fact, no one is has been able to make it efficient enough for our needs. Even if it had been an absolute priority, I doubt it would that much further along.

There are ways of doing it that work for certain contexts -- some good stuff has been worked out for farmers, as I understand.

571 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #530 yochanan

I heard your Congresscritter on the radio this morning trying to defend why drilling would not lower oil prices. She's a dipshit, IMHO.

572 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:02:21am

when i lived in israel back in the 80's we used solar to heat water but as it was in jerusalem you always needed a back up heater for the winter time. it would work very well between april and october though.

it seems to me that most of the alterative energy sources only work at the margins of our needs fine to do but why do the donks refuse to use things we know will work like nuke power and our own oil, gas, coal, and hydro power.

BECAUSE THE ECO NUTS WHO ARE HOLDING THEM BY THE SHORT CURLIES WILL NOT LET THEM

573 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:03:12am

re: #567 Lucius Septimius

That's a current image, only a few hours old. Here's the main page to get it, and other current solar images too:

Current solar images

574 sevoguy  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:03:41am

Does anyone have any information about the DC vs. Heller before the Supreme Court? The decision should be out any day now.

575 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:03:56am

G'morning Lizard Land! Gimme coffee or gimme zzzzzz

576 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #559 yochanan
Good morning yochanan! Uh, what did you do when that Black guy went off on you?

577 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:04:28am

re: #558 Ojoe

The sun today

My, but it's hot!

Hey, BTW, I had left open a browser window open on my notebook, with the towercam picture; I happened to open the window last night, about 12:30am our time (10:30pm PDT), and was greeted by an excellent picture showing the lights of SoCal. I was impressed.

578 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:04:50am

Well, first case handed down is a victory for Exxon-Mobil - as it struck down the punitive damages award.

579 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:04:52am

re: #551 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Don't most Communist regimes have this or something similar?

580 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:04:54am

Drive by post: Has any one talked to Miguel since this happened?

Suspected drug hitmen killed six people in Ciudad Juarez in northern Mexico on Tuesday, the latest in a killing spree that has left 41 people dead in the city since the start of the weekend, police said.
581 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:05:06am

re: #574 sevoguy,

SCOTUSBlog is doing live feeds. Don't know if Heller will come down today, but it has to be soon.

582 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:05:09am

re: #577 Ward Cleaver

My, but it's hot!

Hey, BTW, I had left open a browser window open on my notebook, with the towercam picture; I happened to open the window last night, about 12:30am our time (10:30pm PDT), and was greeted by an excellent picture showing the lights of SoCal. I was impressed.


Linkage!

583 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:05:45am

re: #577 Ward Cleaver

The towercam is my default opener so I can see what's happening in the San Gabriel Mountains !

584 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:03am

re: #572 yochanan

when i lived in israel back in the 80's we used solar to heat water but as it was in jerusalem you always needed a back up heater for the winter time. it would work very well between april and october though.

it seems to me that most of the alterative energy sources only work at the margins of our needs fine to do but why do the donks refuse to use things we know will work like nuke power and our own oil, gas, coal, and hydro power.

BECAUSE THE ECO NUTS WHO ARE HOLDING THEM BY THE SHORT CURLIES WILL NOT LET THEM

When your house is on fire, and your neighbors are throwing gas on it, they have an ulterior motive. What is the Liberals ulterior motive?

585 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:05am

Off to work, BBL

586 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:22am

re: #578 lawhawk

Well, first case handed down is a victory for Exxon-Mobil - as it struck down the punitive damages award.

Wow!

587 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:29am

Here's the Exxon v. Baker case. The $2.5 billion in punitive damages awarded by the court below is vacated as excessive. Had it been upheld, the damages in this one case alone would have been more than all other punitive damages cases awarded to date combined.

588 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:34am

re: #570 Lucius Septimius Hey Lucius, I must have misunderstood you - I thought you were going off to exercise now - if you're gonna exercise out dooors, y'all ought to wait until later in the day when it cools down some; it's supposed to get to 96degrees here in Charlotte - must be pretty damn hot where you are, too.

589 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:36am

Minister of New Symbols and Logos

Minister of Minarets

Minister of Black Liberation Theology

590 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:06:39am

re: #569 Ojoe

I've designed passive solar houses that gather the energy equivalent of 300 gallons of oil every heating season. It's doable, and nothing exotic.

Check out "The Passive Solar Energy Book" by Mazria (Rodale Press).

Is it terribly expensive? Is it easy to use? Sincerely asking-not arguing.

591 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:07:07am

re: #583 Ojoe

The towercam is my default opener so I can see what's happening in the San Gabriel Mountains !

Oh, this?

592 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:07:43am

Heartache over losing out on punitive damages or Hellfire missiles resulted in the death of 22 Taliban, but mostly hellfire.

593 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:07:45am

re: #571 Honorary Yooper

SHE LOVES THE NORTHWESTERN RICH WHITE LIBERAL CROWD, problem is the donk refusal to do anything rational about oil will hurt poor and working americans a lot more than the rich liberals who can afford there fancy hybids and solar panels. working people are stuck driving PRE DRIVEN CARS or taking slow dirty, crowed buses.

you can be sure you will never see the congresscritter on the bus.

594 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:07:54am

Put those puppies to work ladies...behold...the bra that powers an ipod:


...It turns out that the physics of breast motion have been studied closely for the last two decades by a gamut of researchers, most of them women. LaJean Lawson, a former professor of exercise science at Oregon State University, has studied breast motion since 1985 and now works as a consultant for companies like Nike to develop better sports bra designs. Lawson was enthusiastic about my idea but warned it would be tricky to pull off. You would need the right breast size and the right material, she explained, and the bra itself would have to be cleverly designed. "It's just a matter of finding the sweet spot, between reducing motion to the point where it's comfortable but still allowing enough motion to power your iPod," she said.

Lawson explained that breasts move on three different axes: from side to side, front to back, and up and down. The most motion is generated on the vertical axis. Naturally, the bigger the breast, the more momentum it generates. "Let's face it—if you're a double-A marathoner, you're probably not going to get that iPod up and running," Lawson said. Measurements compiled by Lawson and her colleagues show that a D-cup in a low-support bra can travel as much as 35 inches up and down (35 inches!) during exercise, while a B-cup in a high-support bra barely moves an inch.

Fabric and design are also important factors in distance traveled. Elastic fabric allows the breast to move more. Choosing between an encapsulation design, in which the cups are separated, or a compression design, where they are hugged close to the body, can also affect breast motion. An encapsulation design further reduces motion because two smaller masses are easier to control than one large one. "Also, if you have a really high neckline, the breasts won't fly up," Lawson said. So I was in the market for an elastic, compression-style bra with a low neckline. Sexy!

Of course, even a bra that perfectly maximized motion (without sacrificing support and comfort) would be useful to me only if there were a way to turn that motion into energy. For a primer on how to do that, I turned to Professor Zhong Lin Wang of Georgia Tech, who is currently working to develop fabric made from nanowires that will capture energy from motion. Wang's wires are about 1/1,000th the width of a human hair. When woven together in a fabric, these nanowires rub up against one another and convert the mechanical energy from the friction into an electric charge. According to Wang, the fabric is cheap to produce and surprisingly efficient; his team hopes to use it to create energy-generating T-shirts and other articles of clothing. A square meter of fiber produces about 80 milliwatts of power, which is enough to run a small device like a cell phone. Wang expects to have a shirt available for purchase within five years.

Many bra patterns call for about a meter of fabric, which would probably mean that a regular bra would have enough energy to power an iPod. But the fabric could also be layered, doubling or even tripling the amount of energy produced. I asked Wang whether his fabric could be used to make a bra. "Bras would be ideal," he said. "There is a lot of friction and movement in that general area. And the fabric would be thick."

Science!

595 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:08:12am

re: #584 coquimbojoe

When your house is on fire, and your neighbors are throwing gas on it, they have an ulterior motive. What is the Liberals ulterior motive?

1) Political currency---It's the Reps fault!
2) Another step to bring down America and grab more power

596 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:08:43am

re: #524 Hard Right

Here's the link another lizard submitted.
[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

And it's a good link, IMHO. He (she?) shows what a real Hawai'ian Certification of Live Birth looks like. The Daily Kos one is printed on the same paper, and may even be the same form, but it is not an official copy. The dKos one is compared to an official Cert. of Live Birth. The differences, IMHO, are striking, and this is most telling:

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

If Hawai'i only sends them out via mail, then how did Markos Moulitsas get one that is not folded, not sealed, and not signed?

Then there's a little problem with the margins. If you compare the two, notice that the margins on the sealed Cert. of Live Birth are larger than the BHO one.

I'm still calling bullshit on the BHO Cert. of Live Birth, and still calling a fake.

597 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:09:29am

re: #576 realwest

he keep it verbal since i had a rather sharp wood carving tool in my hand at the time. he is one of the local beggers the pester the rich guilty liberal college kids that offen go to the cafe i was sitting at.

598 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:09:46am

re: #592 lawhawk

Heartache over losing out on punitive damages or Hellfire missiles resulted in the death of 22 Taliban, but mostly hellfire.


MSNBC--Ptui!
They just had to place negative spin on the story. B*stards.

599 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:09:58am

re: #573 Ojoe

That's a current image, only a few hours old. Here's the main page to get it, and other current solar images too:

Current solar images

Bookmarked -- thanks.

600 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:10:17am
601 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:10:52am

Good morning folks... I want to share this fine comment on a threadbare excuse,

On what it means to actually support the troops

...some people's expression of "support" for our troops in perspective:

...in fact, they try to hide their hatred behind shallow slogans like, "We support the troops by wanting to bring them home."

Of course, any thinking person understands right away that "wanting to bring home" volunteers who wish to be where they are, is insulting to those very same volunteers.

"I support firemen by preventing them from fighting fires ... because it's dangerous" "I support police officers by keeping them from fighting crime ... because it's dangerous."

I do think you can support the troops without supporting the mission - it's a fine line to walk, but it's possible.

But I also believe that most of those who say they do, don't. Not really. They don't support the use of armed force - which is what the troops signed up for. Or they support it in the abstract, but would have such ridiculous ROE in place as to completely handcuff the commanders on the ground - hence this ongoing myth propagated by the likes of Stephane Dion and Jack Layton that you can separate security and reconstruction in Kandahar.

No, before you tell me you "support the troops," I need to be convinced you a) understand what they can and can't do in real life, and b) are willing to let them do it when the situation warrants. Because only then can you convince me that you just don't think they should be doing it in this particular case.

Anything else is empty and misleading rhetoric.

Amen.

602 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:10:54am

re: #588 realwest

No -- I'll have to stick around for a few minutes to feed the baby. And trust me -- I'm doing my exercise indoors these days.

603 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:10:59am
604 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:11:05am

re: #580 Neo Con since 9-11

Drive by post: Has any one talked to Miguel since this happened?

Lately there have been news stories here about people driving across the border from El Paso to Juarez, to fill up at PEMEX stations, since gas is around $2.99 a gallon there. Some of the people mentioned that they were a little nervous going there because they might get caught up in a shootout.

605 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:11:16am

Good morning.

So, is HoosierHoops the all-time LGF upding champ-een?

606 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:12:08am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

i told my wifie about this and when i asked her if she would power the whole house WELL IF LOOKS COULD KILL.

607 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:12:08am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan


An ipod?

Mine got me a house, car and I get to be a stay at home mom.....
AMATEURS!

608 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:12:17am

And for those who were wondering why Israel hasn't sacked Olmert yet, here's more evidence that the Knesset is in worse shape than the US Congress. Olmert struck a deal to hold primaries within Kadima (his party) in September - avoiding the wrath of Israelis sick and tired of his nonsense.

609 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:12:33am

re: #596 Honorary Yooper

I am not concerned with the missing paper folds or the margin problems.

The certificate could have been picked up personally and not mailed. Or it could have been mailed in a large envelope.

Kos said he clipped the margins (why I dont know or care)

It's a fake , though. Stick with the missing embossed state seal (think 3D or raised).

610 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:12:39am

re: #597 yochanan Well I'm glad you retained your diginity - I don't know but that I would have gone off on him (verbally) over Obama and his many, many lies and the racist Blacks who vote for him only because he's Black.

611 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:13:52am

So McCain wants to drill for oil and build new nuclear plants. Obama wants to use Al Gore's method of higher gas prices forcing the US to build more solar, wind, and other "alternative" energy scams...er...plans [oy]. I linked it above.

Why can't we build one new nuclear plants per state per year?

612 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:01am

re: #590 Hard Right

No it is not expensive, it is all in how you arrange the components of the house, things you would have to pay for anyway. Briefly: elongate the house somewhat east to west, put most of the glass on the south; size the roof overhangs to let in winter sun and keep out summer sun; insulate well & provide enough "thermal mass" inside the house so it heats up gradually and retains the heat at a comfortable temperature. There are strategies for cooling off the house at night during the summer too. (It's all in that book, the "professional Edition" has some more info but the first edition is fine too.) You do need back-up heat for stretches of dim days but it will not be used much. And you would have bought a heater for a regular house anyway.


The Passive Solar Energy Book

613 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:07am

re: #610 realwest

Well I'm glad you retained your diginity - I don't know but that I would have gone off on him (verbally) over Obama and his many, many lies and the racist Blacks who vote for him only because he's Black.


I can never understand that if you don't vote for Obama because of his skin color you are a racist, but if you do voter for him because of his skin color you are not a racist.

Seems to me one is the same as the other.

614 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:14am

re: #596 Honorary Yooper

I agree, Yoops. They're hiding.

615 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:17am

re: #608 lawhawk

And for those who were wondering why Israel hasn't sacked Olmert yet, here's more evidence that the Knesset is in worse shape than the US Congress. Olmert struck a deal to hold primaries within Kadima (his party) in September - avoiding the wrath of Israelis sick and tired of his nonsense.

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

Winston Churchill.

616 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:25am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Put those puppies to work ladies...behold...the bra that powers an ipod:

Science!

Now there's an alternative energy source I can fully embrace. So to speak.

617 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:33am

re: #584 coquimbojoe

When your house is on fire, and your neighbors are throwing gas on it, they have an ulterior motive. What is the Liberals ulterior motive?

To reduce the United States to a third world economy in order to "punish us for our hegemony" and make the populace more willing to embrace a communist government?

/Hey, I'm naturally suspicious...

618 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:14:55am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Well, Loppy has a talking bra, so why can't they make one that will power an iPod.

619 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:15:17am

And from another S.Ct. case via ScotusBlog:

The Justice Kennedy opinion in Kennedy v. LA is categorical -- the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.

So it was written, so shall it be done. So sayeth the men and woman in robes.

620 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:15:52am

re: #596 Honorary Yooper

If Hawai'i only sends them out via mail, then how did Markos Moulitsas get one that is not folded, not sealed, and not signed?

Then there's a little problem with the margins. If you compare the two, notice that the margins on the sealed Cert. of Live Birth are larger than the BHO one.

I'm still calling bullshit on the BHO Cert. of Live Birth, and still calling a fake.

It is interesting. I was surprised to see KOS get such a document. Perhaps they didn't after all. Hopefully we'll see more on this.

621 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:04am

re: #619 lawhawk

And from another S.Ct. case via ScotusBlog:

The Justice Kennedy opinion in Kennedy v. LA is categorical -- the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.

So it was written, so shall it be done. So sayeth the men and woman in robes.

I was kind of ambivalent about that case.

622 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:08am

re: #619 lawhawk


the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.


Whew, at least the Obama cult cant chop off our heads for hate speech.

623 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:09am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan
Early morning breast thread. Who needs coffee, now?

624 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:26am
625 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:46am

re: #596 Honorary Yooper I think what's most telling is that Obama doesn't simply release his birth certificate to the media. End all inquiries and NO it wouldn't enable anyone to use it for identity theft purposes.
I tend to agree with Killgore Trout that Obama was born in Hawaii when it was a state and that should be the end of it, but maybe Obama's campaign is smart, not just street-style crafty - as long as we focus on what they know is a non-issue, it takes away from our energies to expose him for the uber liberal that he is.
THAT'S where Republican's should attack him - as another in a long line of tax and spend liberals, at a time when a lot of American families are having trouble making ends meet as it is. Higher taxes won't create jobs for them, nor do anything except push prices higher for us. He can and should be hit very hard on this point.

626 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #609 faraway

It strikes me as interesting that the BHO one has the date on the back, but no seal or signature. Why does the seal and signature appear so well on the other Cert. of Live Birth along with the date, but only the date shows up on the BHO one?

I believe almost nothing Markos Moulitsas has to offer or say.

627 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:18:09am

New-water car!

Made In Japan.

628 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:18:31am

Now I'm late to work.

BBL

629 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:18:37am

re: #623 Golem Akbar

Don't get too excited-it might be a Manziere that they are talking about.

630 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:19:03am

SCOTUS opinion in D.C. vs. Heller (gun control) due any minute.

631 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:19:30am

The Battle for Basra

A thorough & detailed report on exactly what happened and what the current situation is.

632 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:19:33am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Put those puppies to work ladies...behold...the bra that powers an ipod:

Science!

I once found a site that generates a simulation of how breasts of various sizes would move during different exercises without a sports bra.
And some people thought heroin was addictive....;)

633 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:20:12am

re: #629 WriterMom

Don't get too excited-it might be a Manziere that they are talking about.


Now my day ruint, ruint I tell ya. Back to my coffee....

634 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:20:23am

re: #608 lawhawk

Again I must refer you to Carl's excellent article in the spin offs

635 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:20:37am

re: #605 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. - uh, what?

636 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:20:46am

re: #624 buzzsawmonkey

There's a joke about "silicon valley" in there somewhere...

Or "silicone" valley?

637 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:21:11am

re: #619 lawhawk

And from another S.Ct. case via ScotusBlog:

The Justice Kennedy opinion in Kennedy v. LA is categorical -- the death penalty is forbidden for crimes against individuals that do not result in death.

So it was written, so shall it be done. So sayeth the men and woman in robes.

So if it horribly maims, cripples, or leaves the victim in a vegetative state, they get to live.
Time to reign in the SC! >:(

638 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:21:45am

re: #633 Golem Akbar

Awwwww. Should I do a little Happy Dance? Crump Style? A Crumpy Dance?

639 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:21:49am

Heller's not being decided today. Wah.

640 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:21:54am

re: #610 realwest

Well I went home later and printed 40 anti obama stickers which i will 'liberally' distrube at my leasure.


currently my fav is a large N with a circle with a slash through it

NO/ bama ! the O/ being in red the rest in black rather graphic

641 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:09am

re: #639 Iron Fist

Heller's not being decided today. Wah.

WHAT?! ARRRRRRG!

642 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:16am

re: #625 realwest

I agree it's a side issue, but it goes to show that the Obama camp will not be honest in any way, shape, or form with even the simplest and smallest items.

643 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:17am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Put those puppies to work ladies...behold...the bra that powers an ipod:


Science!

Is there a correlation between endowment and power generated?

644 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #636 Ward Cleaver

No-silicone mountains not valleys.

645 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:49am

re: #632 Hard Right

this is a computer simulation NOT THE REAL GIRL

646 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:22:57am

re: #640 yochanan

Well I went home later and printed 40 anti obama stickers which i will 'liberally' distrube at my leasure.


currently my fav is a large N with a circle with a slash through it

NO/ bama ! the O/ being in red the rest in black rather graphic

I found a site that lets you make your own. I didn't as I don't want my car vandalized by "tolerent liberals".

647 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:23:17am

Heller isn't being released today... the suspense will have to wait at least 24 more hours....

648 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:23:19am

re: #643 jcm

Sure-in your dreams!

649 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:23:40am

re: #627 WriterMom

It's a hoax. The MSM really should talk to somebody before they run these stories.

650 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:23:43am

re: #641 Hard Right

WHAT?! ARRRRRRG!

Thursday, maybe.

Delay good or bad news. I tend to think delay means close split 5-4, which could be trouble.

651 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:24:16am

re: #643 jcm


OF COURSE SIZE MATTERS.

652 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:24:38am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

Really? Oh well...guess I better find some better lost tribe photos to post.

653 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:24:55am

re: #638 WriterMom

Awwwww. Should I do a little Happy Dance? Crump Style? A Crumpy Dance?


If you can crump, that would indeed make me happy...[gangstah!].

654 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:25:09am

re: #632 Hard Right

I once found a site that generates a simulation of how breasts of various sizes would move during different exercises without a sports bra.
And some people thought heroin was addictive....;)

I've seen that - it's a site in the UK.

655 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:25:30am

re: #635 realwest

Good morning O.R. - uh, what?


Check the top 10 posts.

656 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:25:33am

I'm not so sure we should execute child molesters. Life in prison as the sex toy for all the other inmates sounds appropriate.

657 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:25:38am

re: #648 WriterMom

Sure-in your dreams!

Those who are well endowed generate more alternative energy, this is not fair to the less well equipment. We need a government program to ensure equality of energy output.

658 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:25:47am

re: #645 yochanan

this is a computer simulation NOT THE REAL GIRL

True, but fascinating still. BTW, forgot to mention the simulation is without clothing. Didn't know they could move like that and still stay attached. ;)

659 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:00am

re: #647 lawhawk

Heller isn't being released today... the suspense will have to wait at least 24 more hours....

They're probably waiting so they can release it on the heels of the news about the guy going postal down in Ky that was reported in #533.

660 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:06am

Somebody show me the link the the fauxbama birth certificate, please.

661 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:15am

re: #652 WriterMom

Heh.

662 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:15am

re: #643 jcm

Is there a correlation between endowment and power generated?

If that were the case, June in her pre-breast cancer days could have powered an electric range. I'm jus' sayin'.

663 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:23am

re: #646 Hard Right

DON'T OWN A CAR mostly i put um on ad benchs, new york slime vending boxes and lamp posts.

664 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:32am

re: #650 jcm,

I think it's a 5-4 split either way. The question is which way it is decided. I don't like how so many of the 5-4 splits have come down on the Left side of the issue. OTOH, if they decide for DC in this case, then the Second Amendment is meaningless. And if the Second Amendment is meaningless, then so is the entire Bill of Rights.

I can't imagine the Court really ruling that way.

665 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:26:40am

re: #647 lawhawk

Heller isn't being released today... the suspense will have to wait at least 24 more hours....

Maybe we'll get a twofer; uphold gun owners' rights to gun down the child rapists that the state can't put to death.

666 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:12am

re: #641 Hard Right

WHAT?! ARRRRRRG!

Damn.

667 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:23am

re: #643 jcm

Is there a correlation between endowment and power generated?


Always has been.........

668 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:35am

SCOTUS Live blog.

There are seven outstanding cases left to be decided. If the Court does not issue decisions today in all remaining cases, one or more opinion days may be scheduled this week.
669 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:37am

re: #642 Honorary Yooper Didja really expect that they would be honest? Seriously?
I still think it's just a silly diversion, nothing more than that.

670 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:45am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

It's a hoax. The MSM really should talk to somebody before they run these stories.

I knew it was too good to be true.
I did see one about a car that runs on compressed air. We'll see how that pans out.

671 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:27:56am

re: #664 Iron Fist,

If Scalia writes Heller, I think we'll be pleased with the Decision. I was hoping for Alito. He's on the record as seeing the Second Amendment protecting home-made machineguns :-)

672 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:03am

re: #660 redstateredneck

Somebody show me the link the the fauxbama birth certificate, please.

It was the subject of a thread about ten days ago.

673 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:20am

Afghan Army Acts: Decisive, Overwhelming

The prison break and the aftermath. Summary: about 50 or more Taliban successfully broke a prison in Kandahar, freeing some 200 to 300 Taliban prisoners. Within days, Afghan & Canadian troops surrounded & killed some 125 Taliban who had tried to infiltrate the Arghandab valley.

674 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:24am

re: #664 Iron Fist

,

I think it's a 5-4 split either way. The question is which way it is decided. I don't like how so many of the 5-4 splits have come down on the Left side of the issue. OTOH, if they decide for DC in this case, then the Second Amendment is meaningless. And if the Second Amendment is meaningless, then so is the entire Bill of Rights.

I can't imagine the Court really ruling that way.

An Obama court would.

675 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:36am

re: #672 Ward Cleaver

It was the subject of a thread about ten days ago.

Story of my life...

676 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:45am

re: #660 redstateredneck

Somebody show me the link the the fauxbama birth certificate, please.

Here: This site shows the BHO one with another side-by-side.

677 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:28:47am

re: #670 Hard Right

I knew it was too good to be true.
I did see one about a car that runs on compressed air. We'll see how that pans out.

I remember that. Wish I could remember the name.

678 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:29:28am

re: #675 redstateredneck

Story of my life...

Search back through the June threads. The picture was there.

679 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:29:56am

re: #653 Golem Akbar

LOL. Now THAT would be funny...In one of my past lives perhaps...

680 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:04am

re: #677 Ward Cleaver

I remember that. Wish I could remember the name.

It is made by Tata in India....

681 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:14am

re: #669 realwest

Yeah, but Obama did start wearing his 57 state lapel pin.

682 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:22am

re: #669 realwest

It's likely that is it in fact a diversion, but adding this to everything else simply fuels the fire. It's one more piece of evidence that the BHO camp is not honest, and should not be trusted with the White House.

683 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:23am

re: #649 Killgore Trout
Hi Killgore - you do realize that you're asking the MSM to actually do some, you know, reporting about what would certainly be Headline/page1 above the fold news if it were true, don't you?
Besides, if it was true, what good would that do for Obama?!

684 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:34am

re: #632 Hard Right

I once found a site that generates a simulation of how breasts of various sizes would move during different exercises without a sports bra.
And some people thought heroin was addictive....;)

Ah yes, the Shock Absorber site.

685 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:30:44am

re: #677 Ward Cleaver

I remember that. Wish I could remember the name.

Tata Motors made that prototype.

686 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:31:32am

Meanwhile, the wheels of justice turn slowly, but turn they do. The three JFK bomb plotters have been extradited from Trinidad to stand trial in the US. They will be arraigned this afternoon in Brooklyn. They join a fourth defendant to stand trial for plotting to blow up the avgas farm or a gas line that runs into JFK airport, causing untold damage and casualties.

687 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:31:45am

Tata?

LOL. This really is the boob thread.

688 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:31:54am

if you don't care about cost lots of things can be done, once cost enter the picture most if not all the moonbat ideas fall by the wayside.

689 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:32:07am

re: #674 Kosh's Shadow,

An Obama Court is the best reason to vote for McCain. If necessary, it is the only reason necessary to vote McCain.

I am very afraid of an Obama Presidency. Hopefully, a strong Heller decision is in the works. That would at least serve as a check on the gun grabber in Obama.

690 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:32:15am

re: #663 yochanan

DON'T OWN A CAR mostly i put um on ad benchs, new york slime vending boxes and lamp posts.

Hahahahaha! Guerilla info distribution. They'll go nuts trying to scrape them off. Sadly, we need more of it.
I've been at bookstores and watched people deliberately turn only conservative books around so you can't see the front of them. I don't just mean one or two books either. Now tell me liberalism isn't a mental illnes.

691 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:32:36am

re: #650 jcm I obviously don't know how the SCOTUS will come down on Heller, but I really think it's going to be a narrow decision - not by vote, but in terms of the scope of the decision; I think SCOTUS will limit the decision to the DC area law period. No great declarations for or against the Second Amendments guaranty of the right to bear arms.

692 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:32:39am

re: #627 WriterMom

I have yet to read a reasonable explanation of how water as fuel works. There are a number of people pushing "water fueled cars" and all of them sound fishy.

693 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #690 Hard Right

Hahahahaha! Guerilla info distribution. They'll go nuts trying to scrape them off. Sadly, we need more of it.
I've been at bookstores and watched people deliberately turn only conservative books around so you can't see the front of them. I don't just mean one or two books either. Now tell me liberalism isn't a mental illnes.

I've seen that. Usually I turn them back over, and then retaliate against the liberal books.

694 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:33:39am

re: #684 NJDhockeyfan

Ah yes, the Shock Absorber site.

ARRRRG! I'm at work and can't click the link!

695 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:33:47am

re: #681 DesertSage

could obama let the cat out of the bag MAYBE HE IS GOING TO TAKE 7 CANADIAN PROVANCES OVER?

696 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:33:53am

re: #664 Iron Fist

,

I think it's a 5-4 split either way. The question is which way it is decided. I don't like how so many of the 5-4 splits have come down on the Left side of the issue. OTOH, if they decide for DC in this case, then the Second Amendment is meaningless. And if the Second Amendment is meaningless, then so is the entire Bill of Rights.

I can't imagine the Court really ruling that way.

It should be a slam dunk 9-0. "The right of people" is a phrase repeated in the Bill of Rights. If SCOTUS finds against the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The right of the people is essentially null and void.

697 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:34:18am

re: #605 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

So, is HoosierHoops the all-time LGF upding champ-een?


Can i trade those dings in for whats behind door #2?

698 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:34:28am

re: #676 Honorary Yooper

Here: This site shows the BHO one with another side-by-side.

So, the certificate was a fake. Hmmmm...

699 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:34:34am

re: #678 Ward Cleaver

Search back through the June threads. The picture was there.

Found it. Thanks, Ward.

700 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:34:54am

re: #692 Kenneth

There have been a long string of hoaxes. Conspiracy nuts even claim one guy was murdered by the oil companies.

701 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:34:55am

re: #695 yochanan

could obama let the cat out of the bag MAYBE HE IS GOING TO TAKE 7 CANADIAN PROVANCES OVER?

MANIFEST DESTINTY IS RIPPING US OFF!

702 illegal upchuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:35:07am

Good news, everyone:

The Supremes have struck down the death penalty for child-rape. Cruel and Unusual, the usual, tired, liberal argument.

As if being raped as a child (or any other time) isn't cruel and unusual...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

703 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:35:41am

re: #694 Hard Right

ARRRRG! I'm at work and can't click the link!

Click the Favorites heart, then look at it when you get home.

704 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:35:43am

re: #690 Hard Right
some of them stay up a long time others not so much. but it feels good to do it. and does cost me much as i do the wood cuts and print them myself.

705 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:36:13am

re: #676 Honorary Yooper

Here: This site shows the BHO one with another side-by-side.

Thanks.

706 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:36:56am

re: #691 realwest

I obviously don't know how the SCOTUS will come down on Heller, but I really think it's going to be a narrow decision - not by vote, but in terms of the scope of the decision; I think SCOTUS will limit the decision to the DC area law period. No great declarations for or against the Second Amendments guaranty of the right to bear arms.

They might, however the case revolves around the question "is the right to keep and bear arms" a individual right, or collective (militia) right. What I think they leave open the definition of "reasonable restriction."

707 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:37:12am

re: #664 Iron Fist

,

I think it's a 5-4 split either way. The question is which way it is decided. I don't like how so many of the 5-4 splits have come down on the Left side of the issue. OTOH, if they decide for DC in this case, then the Second Amendment is meaningless. And if the Second Amendment is meaningless, then so is the entire Bill of Rights.

I can't imagine the Court really ruling that way.

Well, the libs in the court have lost the ability to even pretend they are basing their decisions on the original intent of the founding fathers. They are now doing what they must feel the liberals in Congress should have done.
I'm very worried about this decision.

708 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:37:20am

re: #655 Occasional Reader OK - I checked the first 10 comments, nada. Went to spinoff links and checked first 10 of them, nada, went and checked the highest posted spinoff links, nada.
You sure you have the right thread?!

709 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:37:22am

Obama: to bamboozle, mislead, dissemble, con, deceive, or hoodwink.

710 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:37:31am

re: #692 Kenneth

I have no idea. I wish stupid could be used as a source of fuel because there is so much of it around...

711 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:37:59am

re: #709 faraway

Obamboozle!

712 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:38:39am

re: #692 Kenneth

I have yet to read a reasonable explanation of how water as fuel works. There are a number of people pushing "water fueled cars" and all of them sound fishy.

As long as they use chemical energy and not nuclear fusion, water fueled cars violate conservation of energy. Well, maybe not. water mixed with sodium or potassium releases hydrogen, but the sodium or potassium would cost more than gasoline and give less power.

Moonbats think companies are hiding things like super betteries, etc.
But all these energy sources would have tremendous use in submarines; the military somewhere would develop it to make a sub with the endurance of a nuke but much smaller. Such boats don't exist, therefore no one has developed such a power source.

713 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:38:43am

re: #702 illegal upchuck

FRANKLY I think we should make sure the prisoners know why perverts are in jail I think they would settle the issue and for a lot less money than the state doing it.

even the thugs in jail offen have young brothers and sisters and pervs are at the bottom of the feeding chain in jail.

714 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:40:05am

re: #702 illegal upchuck

Good news, everyone:

The Supremes have struck down the death penalty for child-rape. Cruel and Unusual, the usual, tired, liberal argument.

As if being raped as a child (or any other time) isn't cruel and unusual...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

They should let the molesters be raped by all the other inmates for the rest of their lives.
Oops, that would be cruel and unusual as well. But the state wouldn't be administering it.

715 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:40:32am

OBAMA(SELF REDACTED)

716 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:41:07am

re: #679 WriterMom

LOL. Now THAT would be funny...In one of my past lives perhaps...

So You Think You Can Dance is one of my summer favorites (until they bring back Amazing Race). Crumping looks pretty hard. At least I know what it is, but if it ever is a dance at the next party I attend....yikes.

717 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:42:02am

re: #714 Kosh's Shadow

They should let the molesters be raped by all the other inmates for the rest of their lives.
Oops, that would be cruel and unusual as well. But the state wouldn't be administering it.

Cruel? Yes! Unusual? Not so much.

718 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:42:05am
I'll make one update, though - according to Obama, Johansson is lying about trading lengthy e-mail exchanges. "She sent one email to Reggie, who forwarded it to me," Obama said, referring to his 26-year-old personal assistant, Reggie Love. "I write saying, 'thank you Scarlett for doing what you do,' and suddenly we have this email relationship."

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

Boker effen Tov.

719 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:42:29am

re: #681 DesertSage
ROTFLMAO! Hey Sage, thanks for that one! Hope you're doing well today my friend!

720 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:42:31am

re: #696 jcm,

I agree 100%, but I doubt Ginsburg, et al concur. The Second Amendment is the only one that uses the terminology "shall not be infringed". That is pretty broad. As broad as, say, the right to abortion that isn't defined in the Bill of Rights.

IMHO, nearly all Federal, and State, gun control laws violate the Second Amendment. Those who don't like the Constitution shoud try to change it, not ignore it.

721 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:43:16am

How Iran is avoiding international sanctions

Iran's main conduit in avoiding sanctions has been Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. There are historical reasons for this: since the beginning of the 20th century, Dubai and Iran have enjoyed close trade relations. Also, Dubai welcomed several waves of Iranian immigrants.

Not a week goes by without an Iranian minister or official visiting Dubai.

The 350,000 Iranians of Dubai compose the third largest community after the Indians and the Pakistanis. The large fortunes belong to families of Iranian origin. There are 8,200 Iranian companies today in Dubai compared to 6,500 in 2005.

Dubai has become Iran's back-up base and Iranian companies that do business abroad prefer to be based in the emirate. More than 200 flights each week link Dubai to the main Iranian cities. The port ships merchandise of all kinds to Iran, from cars to electric machinery and food.

The official trade figure between the two countries is $6 billion annually, but the smuggling amounts to an estimated additional $1.2 billion a year. Out of that $1.2 billion figure about $250 million stems from U.S. goods, supposedly banned from entering Iran

722 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:43:37am

re: #706 jcm

It goes back to how the court framed the issue when it accepted the case. I expect a narrow ruling striking down the DC law, but if it is more expansive, that's fine.

723 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:43:54am

Later all -- keep chumming the waters of indignation.

724 sparrowlake  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:44:04am
Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.
— Richard Feynman

You ougtta know.
Good morning lizards.

725 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:44:05am

re: #718 Ben Hur

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

Boker effen Tov.

Is she stalking Obama?

/

726 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:44:48am

re: #684 NJDhockeyfan
Dayum, I gotta bookmark that site right now! LOL!

727 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:45:01am

Well, this will generate some seething from the usual suspects. Salman Rushdie was knighted by the Queen of England today.

728 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:45:32am

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

SMART AND A HOTTIE.

729 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:45:40am
730 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:46:47am

re: #716 Golem Akbar

I love it, too...some of the choreography is so inspired-so brilliant, and I just love the judges. Did you see the piece last season with the judge/choreographer who had lost her father? The reunion of father and daughter in heaven? It was so beautiful. And this time, there was a choreographer whose daughter had Reyes syndrome...the piece was very moving-lyrical-that dancer reminded me of Grace Kelly. I also loved the Broadway number.

731 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:46:54am

re: #712 Kosh's Shadow

As long as they use chemical energy and not nuclear fusion, water
fueled cars violate conservation of energy. Well, maybe not. water
mixed with sodium or potassium releases hydrogen, but the sodium or
potassium would cost more than gasoline and give less power.


Moonbats think companies are hiding things like super betteries, etc.

But all these energy sources would have tremendous use in submarines;
the military somewhere would develop it to make a sub with the
endurance of a nuke but much smaller. Such boats don't exist, therefore
no one has developed such a power source.

That's what they want you to believe - we're through the looking glass here, people!
/

732 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:47:29am

re: #726 realwest

Hours of fun.

733 pabarge  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:47:33am

What's down with Pajamas Media? Are they ever going to get back up? And, how come LFG is running when Pajamas is down for the count?

734 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:47:34am

re: #703 Ward Cleaver

Click the Favorites heart, then look at it when you get home.

Many, many, thank yous and one upding for educating a fellow lizard.

735 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:47:57am

re: #702 illegal upchuck
Actually it could be good news, if the 4 good guys swapped their votes on this for one vote on Heller.
And yes indeed, that sort of thing does happen at SCOTUS.

736 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:48:11am

re: #725 Ward Cleaver

ONCE YOU GO CHOC. YOU DON'T GO BACK.
SARCASIM AND TOM FOOLERY.

737 illegal upchuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:49:18am

(off-topic in an off-topic thread)

Happy Anniversary to me. I'm a 2-year old Lizard today.

Lizardling?

/where's my cake?

738 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:49:19am

re: #712 Kosh's Shadow

As long as they use chemical energy and not nuclear fusion, water fueled cars violate conservation of energy. Well, maybe not. water mixed with sodium or potassium releases hydrogen, but the sodium or potassium would cost more than gasoline and give less power.

Moonbats think companies are hiding things like super betteries, etc.
But all these energy sources would have tremendous use in submarines; the military somewhere would develop it to make a sub with the endurance of a nuke but much smaller. Such boats don't exist, therefore no one has developed such a power source.

A little bit of water can boost energy, early jet engines used water injection boost and it works in internal combustion engines. Water has a 1700-1 vapor to liquid expansion ratio. So dumping a little water in give a big boost in gas expansion. With jet engines it's an open systems so the moisture is not an issue. With an internal combustion engine the water give a boost but is hard on the engine which is why it's not in general use.

Water as fuel, hydrolysis into Oxygen and Hydrogen uses a ton of power, and fusing the Hydrogen to helium works in bombs but there are no generating fusion power plants.

739 jorline  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:49:35am

U.S. Supreme Court Strikes Down Louisiana Law Allowing Execution for Child Rape.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

740 kansas  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:49:55am

Here's something funny to get your day off right:

Obama Camp Requests Briefing From Pentagon Brass
So I'm thinking they'll send three representives, one with hands over eyes, one with hands over ears, and one with foot in mouth, that would be Obama.

741 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:50:03am

COCONUT!

742 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:50:35am

re: #704 yochanan

some of them stay up a long time others not so much. but it feels good to do it. and does cost me much as i do the wood cuts and print them myself.

I almost made one that said:
$4 Gas-Brought to you by the Democrats
If I had the abilty to make them by hand, I might do it too. Keep up the good work.

743 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:04am

re: #740 kansas

Here's something funny to get your day off right:

Obama Camp Requests Briefing From Pentagon Brass
So I'm thinking they'll send three representives, one with hands over eyes, one with hands over ears, and one with foot in mouth, that would be Obama.

They should give them enough information to scare the bejeezus out of him.

744 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:08am

re: #712 Kosh's Shadow

The reports imply some sort of "new & improved" method of electrolysis. Maybe a novel catalyst helps lower the energy required to split water, but I don't see how it could work for "free". Also one guy claims his system turns water into "HHO gas" ... which is clearly nonsense.

745 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:22am

re: #722 lawhawk

It goes back to how the court framed the issue when it accepted the case. I expect a narrow ruling striking down the DC law, but if it is more expansive, that's fine.

Even striking down DC is a step, maybe the poor folks in IL can leverage off that.

746 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:22am

Good morning, Lizards!

747 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:30am

re: #728 yochanan

[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com...]

SMART AND A HOTTIE.

Wow, that's an excellent letter.

748 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:37am

re: #737 illegal upchuck

Happy happy.

749 illegal upchuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:51:47am

'Morning Goddess.

750 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:52:03am

re: #734 Hard Right

Many, many, thank yous and one upding for educating a fellow lizard.

Hey, no problem, that's how I handle them.

751 jorline  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:52:23am

re: #740 kansas

Here's something funny to get your day off right:

Obama Camp Requests Briefing From Pentagon Brass
So I'm thinking they'll send three representives, one with hands over eyes, one with hands over ears, and one with foot in mouth, that would be Obama.

I love the way BHO assumes that he the election is over and he has been anointed.

752 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:52:41am

re: #709 faraway

Obama: to bamboozle, mislead, dissemble, con, deceive, or hoodwink.

Standard Operating Procedure in Cook County and Chicago, Illinois.

753 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:52:59am

re: #725 Ward Cleaver

Is she stalking Obama?

/

I think she must have just watched Black Orpheus. As Obama tells it " the musical retelling of the myth of Orpheus, a tale of doomed love". "a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different." This movie made his Mom fall for Obama Sr.

Maybe Obama should be called the Black Orpheus

754 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:53:24am

re: #727 lawhawk

As Sir John Guilgud said,

"Once a queen, always a queen, but once a night is not enough."

755 Pyrocles  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:53:54am

Yeah! Don't you think the military got some cool stuff after reverse-engineering the alien spacecrafts recovered from Roswell and sequestered in Area 51?

They have all that stuff, man!

/Moonbat loon

re: #731 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what they want you to believe - we're through the looking glass here, people!
/

756 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:54:03am

re: #737 illegal upchuck
Happy Anniversary - never mind you're cake, where are our drinks?! Tradition is that the one having the anniversary buys a round for the house!

757 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:54:36am

re: #744 Kenneth

The reports imply some sort of "new & improved" method of electrolysis. Maybe a novel catalyst helps lower the energy required to split water, but I don't see how it could work for "free". Also one guy claims his system turns water into "HHO gas" ... which is clearly nonsense.

An engineer friend of says that another engineer friend of his has one of those things, and has documented a significant mileage improvement. I'm still skeptical.

758 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:55:14am

re: #744 Kenneth

The reports imply some sort of "new & improved" method of electrolysis. Maybe a novel catalyst helps lower the energy required to split water, but I don't see how it could work for "free". Also one guy claims his system turns water into "HHO gas" ... which is clearly nonsense.

We had an arsonist run around the Northwest in the early '80s using high temperature acceleratants. Squirt water on it, the heat is so intense it breaks the hydrogen - oxygen bonds. Hydrogen + oxygen + fire = OH SHIT! You're water explodes back in your face.

759 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:55:15am

re: #732 rawmuse

Hours of fun.

Great way to kill a day...or three

760 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:55:17am

re: #753 faraway

I think she must have just watched Black Orpheus. As Obama tells it " the musical retelling of the myth of Orpheus, a tale of doomed love". "a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different." This movie made his Mom fall for Obama Sr.

Maybe Obama should be called the Black Orpheus

Now that was a weird movie.

761 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:56:09am

re: #740 kansas
Yeah, well once he is the OFFICIAL candidate of the Dem party, maybe. But just as with "his" seal, Sen. Obama is a tad premature and presumptuous.

762 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:56:44am

Well, off for training for what I'm supposed to be doing...6 months after they hired me. :o

763 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:57:17am

re: #746 goddessoftheclassroom Good morning {goddess} how are you today?

764 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:57:33am

re: #727 lawhawk

Well, this will generate some seething from the usual suspects. Salman Rushdie was knighted by the Queen of England today.

One of their final symbolic protests as they slide toward islam.

765 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:57:37am

Coffee.C-O-F-F-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E
Anyone have coffee?

766 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:57:47am

re: #727 lawhawk

Well, this will generate some seething from the usual suspects. Salman Rushdie was knighted by the Queen of England today.

When I first saw this story I thought: It's a trap! Like the scene from Goodfellas when Tommy DeVito thinks he's going to be "made". Liz will have Rushdie all lined up to be knighted, then she'll swing the sword and behead him. Archbishop Rowan will burst into applause.

(Okay, Liz wouldn't really do this... but I'm not so sure about Chuck)

767 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:57:49am
768 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:04am

Here in my neighborhood the tragic news is of a triple killing, father and 2 sons. Likely a road rage incident. Be nice to your fellow motorists.

769 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:05am

re: #751 jorline

I love the way BHO assumes that he the election is over and he has been anointed.


Look out for more "after talking with the pentagon brass i now realize that we will have to be cautious in removing troops" then more watered down troop removal statements between now and nov.

770 kansas  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:06am

re: #761 realwest

Yeah, well once he is the OFFICIAL candidate of the Dem party, maybe. But just as with "his" seal, Sen. Obama is a tad premature and presumptuous.

Are premature and presumptuous racist slurs? ; )

771 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:19am

re: #765 wolfie

Coffee.C-O-F-F-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E
Anyone have coffee?

I got coffee.

772 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:38am

re: #765 wolfie

Decaf or regular? Here ya go, hon.

773 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:58:44am

re: #730 WriterMom

I love it, too...some of the choreography is so inspired-so brilliant, and I just love the judges. Did you see the piece last season with the judge/choreographer who had lost her father? The reunion of father and daughter in heaven? It was so beautiful. And this time, there was a choreographer whose daughter had Reyes syndrome...the piece was very moving-lyrical-that dancer reminded me of Grace Kelly. I also loved the Broadway number.


Yes, it's excellent. My father was a choreographer so I grew up with an appreciation for dance. I'm not much of a dancer, myself, however, unless I've had a few vodkas and the band starts playing kazaztski music...

Hey, idea: best dance movies!
7 Brides for 7 Brothers
All That Jazz
Singin' in the Rain (make 'em laugh with Gene Kelly and Donald O'Conner the best ever)

774 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:59:01am
775 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:59:01am

re: #748 WriterMom

Happy happy.

Don't forget the cookies.

776 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:59:26am

re: #763 realwest

Good morning {goddess} how are you today?

{illegal upchuck}
{realwest}

I'm doing really well today. A friend came over last night, and I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

Today I'm getting the Lizard-in-Training to power wash and restain the front porch steps...

777 faraway  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 7:59:42am

Obama, the Black Orpheus.

Per wiki,

he could charm birds, fishes and wild beasts, coax the trees and rocks into dance, and even divert the course of rivers. He was one of the handful of Greek heroes to visit the Underworld and return; even in Hades his song and lyre did not lose their power.

practised magical arts, especially astrology; founded or rendered accessible many important cults,

778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:00:06am

re: #755 Pyrocles

Yeah! Don't you think the military got some cool stuff after
reverse-engineering the alien spacecrafts recovered from Roswell and
sequestered in Area 51?

They have all that stuff, man!

/Moonbat loon


Everyone knows that UFOs don't have corporeal form - they're interdimensional, not interstellar, craft.

779 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:00:33am

re: #708 realwest

OK - I checked the first 10 comments, nada. Went to spinoff links and checked first 10 of them, nada, went and checked the highest posted spinoff links, nada.
You sure you have the right thread?!

"Top 10 comments", on the upper left hand side of this page. HoosierHoops blew the doors off the thing with 67 (and counting) updings on a post last night.

780 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:00:39am
781 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:02:48am

re: #729 taxfreekiller

Of note: the Dubai ports deal.

we have sell out money whores in Washington D.C.

and we better get their ass's gone or its our ass's.

Dubai owns the ports, works with Iran on smuggling.
Great way to bring a nuke into the US.

782 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:03:45am

re: #771 Ward Cleaver

re: #772 rawmuse

THANK YOU THANK YOU
Ahhhhh :)

783 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:04:17am

re: #778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Everyone knows that UFOs don't have corporeal form - they're interdimensional, not interstellar, craft.

Good thing Indy Jones stopped them from stealing our magnetic gunpowder.

784 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:04:25am
785 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:04:56am

re: #772 rawmuse

Decaf or regular? Here ya go, hon.

What is this "decaf" of which you speak? HERETIC!

786 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:05:03am

re: #773 Golem Akbar

What about Footloose and Dirty Dancing?

LOL.

787 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:05:07am

re: #739 jorline

U.S. Supreme Court Strikes Down Louisiana Law Allowing Execution for Child Rape.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Assholes.

Abort the court.

788 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:05:31am

re: #785 Occasional Reader

Decaf is CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.

789 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:05:39am

I hafta go see what Hoosier Hoops said.

790 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:05:58am

re: #785 Occasional Reader

What is this "decaf" of which you speak? HERETIC!

DE-CAF coffee ='s Hot Brown Water

791 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:09am

And I'll add:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO BREW DECAF IN THE OFFICE POT IN THE MORNING

792 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:28am

re: #784 taxfreekiller

Dear America,

The head in the sand deal is not going to work, they are going to dig
your sorry head up and beat the shit out of you due to the sand in your eyes still.

And for all those conservatives who don't like McCain because he sounds too liberal for them, make a comparison test, side by side, McCain versus Obama. It's really obvious. There is a clear choice, and there's a lot at stake.

793 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:37am

re: #790 sattv4u2

Good one. Seriously. What. Is. The. Point.

794 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:37am

OK, Scotch?

795 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:45am

re: #742 Hard Right

Between being able to carve wood blocks and having a collection of letterpress type wood and metal i can keep the costs down

got a large roll of white contact paper and can print them for a few cents each. the on line places sell bumper stickers for way too money to put them up as agaprop.

796 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:06:58am

re: #744 Kenneth

The reports imply some sort of "new & improved" method of electrolysis. Maybe a novel catalyst helps lower the energy required to split water, but I don't see how it could work for "free". Also one guy claims his system turns water into "HHO gas" ... which is clearly nonsense.

Even if electrolysis took just the power of the bond between the atoms in a water molecule, (100% efficiency), and you had a 100% effiicient fuel cell, the best you could do is break even. The fuel cell would power the electolysis, and have no power left over.
But this is not allowed by the second law of thermodynamics; there will be some losses in the system.

797 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:07:08am

re: #779 Occasional Reader Holy Crap! I just KNEW I shoulda posted more yesterday - I need the updings! LOL!

798 jorline  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:07:26am

$300B Housing Rescue Plan Passes Key Senate Test

Still, conservative Democrats known as "Blue Dogs" are concerned about how to pay for the measure, and members of the Congressional Black Caucus call it unacceptable, arguing it doesn't do enough to address the needs of black Americans.


Now this is something that really pisses me off. Why do we have a subdivided racial Congress? What would happen if there were a White Congressional Caucus?

Congress, wonder why your approval numbers are so low?

Represent ALL Americans, you'd be amazed at what you can accomplish as a whole.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

799 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:07:35am

re: #779 Occasional Reader

"Top 10 comments", on the upper left hand side of this page. HoosierHoops blew the doors off the thing with 67 (and counting) updings on a post last night.

Absolutely one of the finest troll smackdowns in history.

800 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:07:42am

re: #791 WriterMom

And I'll add:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO BREW DECAF IN THE OFFICE POT IN THE MORNING

I am so picky about my coffee that I take in my own coffeemaker and gourmet coffee. I have my mega cup at home and then one at work after lunch.

801 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:07:46am

Angry Kids Protest Gas Prices After Mom Cancels Cable TV

Go Mom! At least they are getting some exercise. Both physical and in futility.

802 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:08:14am

re: #791 WriterMom

And I'll add:

BEHEAD THOSE WHO BREW DECAF IN THE OFFICE POT IN THE MORNING

I was just about to post the same thing, beat me to it!

803 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:08:25am

re: #786 WriterMom

What about Footloose and Dirty Dancing?

LOL.

Oh, come now. Everyone knows that the best dance movie of all time was Cool as Ice, starring Vanilla Ice. This film also featured the greatest acting and best writing, ever.

804 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:08:39am

re: #786 WriterMom

What about Footloose and Dirty Dancing?

LOL.


Both very good. Grease is also a fun dance movie. And any Bob Fosse movie.

805 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:08:49am

re: #800 goddessoftheclassroom

I am so picky about my coffee that I take in my own coffeemaker and gourmet coffee. I have my mega cup at home and then one at work after lunch.

goddess is a coffee snob!
;-P

806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:08am

re: #787 MandyManners

Assholes.

Abort the court.


I would actually agree with the ruling, if only because

Victim advocates also warned the death penalty could do more harm than good if it led perpetrators to kill victims who may be the only witness to the crime.

If the rapist knows that he'll be put on death row anyway if he's caught, why wouldn't the bastard kill the victim & only witness?

807 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:09am

re: #794 rawmuse

OK, Scotch?

Nice recovery there, muse!

808 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:23am

re: #797 realwest

Heh. I think we need a Bottom Ten Comments as well. You know, the most dinged down comments.

809 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:33am

re: #793 WriterMom

Good one. Seriously. What. Is. The. Point.

Why, it's the same point as no-alcohol beer. Which is... (I'll get back to you.)

810 vxbush  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:43am

Caffeine good.

811 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:57am

re: #800 goddessoftheclassroom

I am so picky about my coffee that I take in my own coffeemaker and gourmet coffee. I have my mega cup at home and then one at work after lunch.


Here. Enjoy.

812 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:09:58am

re: #727 lawhawk

Well, this will generate some seething from the usual suspects. Salman Rushdie was knighted by the Queen of England today.

Rushdie was forced to accept round-the-clock protection after "The Satanic Verses," was published in 1988. The Iranian government withdrew the death sentence in 1998 and Rushdie has gradually returned to public life.

For real?

813 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:10:39am

Speaking of Top 10 Comments, I do notice that Charles has apparently now recused his own posts. A good thing to do, IMHO.

814 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:11:10am

re: #806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If the rapist knows that he'll be put on death row anyway if he's caught, why wouldn't the bastard kill the victim & only witness?

I hit POST instead of PREVIEW. I didn't intend to post what I did. I

815 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:11:13am

Mugabe backers threaten voters

Zimbabweans say regime supporters have told citizens their ballots will be traced so they can later be slain if they vote wrong.

816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:11:17am

re: #790 sattv4u2

DE-CAF coffee ='s Hot Brown Water


Hot Brown Water sounds like a cool jazz trio.

817 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:11:36am

re: #806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I would actually agree with the ruling, if only because

Of course, the issue for SCOTUS isn't supposed to be "is this law a good idea", rather "does this law violate the 8th Amendment".

818 jorline  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:11:41am

re: #787 MandyManners

Assholes.

Abort the court.

Being a proud Texan, I support state mandated euthanasia. If anyone deserves the death penalty it's a child rapist!

819 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:12:32am

re: #815 NJDhockeyfan

He learned that from Saddam. It worked for him, too. Saddam was elected by 100% percent many times.

820 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:09am

re: #792 Golem Akbar

And for all those conservatives who don't like McCain because he sounds too liberal for them, make a comparison test, side by side, McCain versus Obama. It's really obvious. There is a clear choice, and there's a lot at stake.

No question that McCain is the lesser of two evils, and will get my vote. That doesn't mean we have to like it though.

821 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:10am

re: #815 NJDhockeyfan

Mugabe backers threaten voters

Just like BushHitler!

/

822 eon  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:13am

re: #744 Kenneth

The reports imply some sort of "new & improved" method of electrolysis. Maybe a novel catalyst helps lower the energy required to split water, but I don't see how it could work for "free". Also one guy claims his system turns water into "HHO gas" ... which is clearly nonsense.

Morning (late), Lizards.

Commercials for this "miraculous" thing are showing up late at night on TV around here. And BION, AutoZone is now selling a widget that supposedly does this stunt.

The EPA and DOT tested several of these gadgets recently, and found that even when they worked as advertised (which most of them don't), the only result is an increase in manifold pressure. This is consistent with the effects of water/ethanol injection as seen on aircraft piston engines in WWII (notably the German Daimler-Benz DB605 and the British Rolls-Royce Merlin and its later descendant, the Griffon). This does cause an increase in engine output (SHP), but at the expense of increased fuel consumption in addition to accelerated engine wear due to higher operating pressures/temperatures.

That said, DOT did find that some people who bought these Rube Goldberg creations and put them on their cars (many are nothing but a 1-gallon milk jug and an electrolysis rig like we all built in chemistry class in grade school) did experience improved MPG. Because they also tuned their cars up properly, drove slower, accelerated and decelerated less abruptly, made sure their tires were properly inflated, and did all the other things that DOT recommends you do to improve your gas mileage, regardless of whether you spent $100 to put a milk jug and a couple of electrodes in your car's fuel system or not.

In medicine, this is called a placebo effect. These "HHO" setups are nothing but expensive sugar pills for cars, and their (not too well informed) owners.

I think it's time the FTC had a look at this business.

As for me, I'll just stick to the "gadget" I use to improve my gas mileage. A tire-pressure gauge I bought at Lowe's for 99 cents.


cheers

eon

823 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:16am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Of course, the issue for SCOTUS isn't supposed to be "is this law a good idea", rather "does this law violate the 8th Amendment".

Yeah, but then they'd actually have to read it.

824 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:25am

re: #816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Hot Brown Water sounds like a cool jazz trio.


So let's see: decaf coffee, no-alcohol beer, kissing your sister.
It's so clear.

825 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:35am

re: #819 rawmuse

He learned that from Saddam. It worked for him, too. Saddam was elected by 100% percent many times.

and on a "bad" day, 98%

826 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:36am

re: #712 Kosh's Shadow

As long as they use chemical energy and not nuclear fusion, water fueled cars violate conservation of energy.

Never had a water rocket as a kid?

Just envision a Cadillac Escalade spewing water out behind as the light turns green, ...

827 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:48am

re: #802 jcm

decaf is to coffee as a blow doll is to sex


BOTH ARE FAKE.

828 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:13:55am

re: #805 jcm

goddess is a coffee snob!
;-P

Absolutely!

For the past three years I've had a student volunteer to be my "coffee elf" and make the coffee for me (after suitable training).

829 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:14:17am

re: #824 Golem Akbar

So let's see: decaf coffee, no-alcohol beer, kissing your sister.
It's so clear.

whats wrong with me kissing your sister !?!?!?!?!

830 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:14:47am

re: #809 Occasional Reader

It is....hallal.

831 rawmuse  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:14:52am

re: #829 sattv4u2

Have you SEEN my sister?

832 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:14:59am

as a bit of irony, I used to work on this guys internet when I worked for Windstream/Alltel/Aliant, LT&T

[Link: www.charter.net...]

833 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:07am

re: #831 rawmuse

Have you SEEN my sister?

has she seen ME !?!?!?!

834 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:18am

re: #824 Golem Akbar

So let's see: decaf coffee, no-alcohol beer, kissing your sister.
It's so clear.

What the hell is wrong with my sister?

835 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:27am

re: #808 Honorary Yooper Uh, no, no I don't think that's necessary at all! LOL!

836 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:29am

re: #820 Ford_Prefect

No question that McCain is the lesser of two evils, and will get my vote. That doesn't mean we have to like it though.

We can work with McCain and those he appoints for the courts. I doubt we'll be able to do that with Obama. I can enthusiastically support McCain after considering the alternative.

837 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:44am

GMTA
Many GMTA

838 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:46am

re: #834 wolfie

What the hell is wrong with my sister?

she drinks de-caf and non-alcy beer !

839 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:15:54am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

I have only two syllables for you, my friend:

Ish.
Tar.

840 illegal upchuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:16:21am

re: #756 realwest


Bar's open, drinks are on me. -->

841 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:16:33am

re: #808 Honorary Yooper

Except most of them get [deleted].

842 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:16:58am

re: #758 jcm

We had an arsonist run around the Northwest in the early '80s using high temperature acceleratants. Squirt water on it, the heat is so intense it breaks the hydrogen - oxygen bonds. Hydrogen + oxygen + fire = OH SHIT! You're water explodes back in your face.

I don't think so, and even if it happened at about 11,000,000 degrees, it would still sap energy from the fire to do it. However, if the fire had enough latent energy to turn large amounts of water instantly to superheated steam, it might seem like an explosion, but that takes a LOT of energy, water really soaks up a lot of heat.

843 eon  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:17:10am

re: #815 NJDhockeyfan

Mugabe backers threaten voters

Which is why we have secret ballots.

We still do, don't we?

/Here in OH, with Jennifer "Miss" Brunner as SecState, I'm not so sure, these days.

cheers

eon

844 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:17:23am

re: #804 Golem Akbar

Grease is fantastic. I know the entire movie off by heart.

845 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:17:32am

re: #829 sattv4u2

whats wrong with me kissing your sister !?!?!?!?!


I...never thought of it that way. Okay...go ahead...[lol]

846 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:18:27am

Blond, white schoolboy is al-Qa'eda extremist, say police

A schoolboy aged 12 has been identified as an al-Qaeda inspired extremist after sending beheading videos to his classmates, police have disclosed.

Anti-terrorism chiefs have said the example revealed how violent extremism is spreading “like a virus infecting young minds”.

The blonde, white schoolboy from West Yorkshire is among 120 people being dealt with by police in a new anti-terrorism scheme targeting al-Qa’eda inspired youths.

847 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:18:37am

re: #823 wolfie

Yeah, but then they'd actually have to read it.

Heh.

But "heh" said... okay, the theory here is apparently (based on just reading news reports of the case, haven't read the case itself) what's called "proportionality review" of the 8th Amendment. This is the concept that "cruel and unusual" doesn't just refer to flogging felons to death or pulling their toenails out; but also to the question of whether a given punishment is all out of proportion to the particular crime (even if the same punishment WOULD be appropriate for a more serious crime).

I think it's a non-crazy reading of the 8th to suggest that at SOME level, at least, this is plausible. If a State were to enact the death penalty for jaywalking, say. (Of course, this particular case was about child rape.)

848 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:19:17am

re: #838 sattv4u2

she drinks de-caf and non-alcy beer !

Okay. THAT sister. The moonbat.
I meant the other one!

849 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:19:28am

re: #846 NJDhockeyfan

Beat ya to it...in spin offs. What do you make of that. I think it's a very WEIRD story. Like 'even white non-Muslims are terrorists'. I mean give me a break.

850 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:19:29am

re: #831 rawmuse

Have you SEEN my sister?

Why, is she missing?

/

851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:19:42am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Of
course, the issue for SCOTUS isn't supposed to be "is this law a good
idea", rather "does this law violate the 8th Amendment".


You & your "strict" interpretation of the Constitution. It's a living document & can mean whatever the hell the Court decides it means.

/How I wish I could open up a casino & play poker according to a "living" Hoyle.

852 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:20:03am

re: #828 goddessoftheclassroom

Coffee elf? I love it.

853 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:20:11am

re: #826 itellu3times

Never had a water rocket as a kid?

Just envision a Cadillac Escalade spewing water out behind as the light turns green, ...

The energy for that came from the kid pumping it up compressing the air inside the rocket. The water is just reaction mass.

I had one but liked the Estes rockets better.

854 bosforus  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:20:13am

So let's say Obama gets elected. What would have to happen during his presidency to make the Obamatons not reelect him?

855 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:20:44am

re: #828 goddessoftheclassroom

Absolutely!

For the past three years I've had a student volunteer to be my "coffee elf" and make the coffee for me (after suitable training).

I have a coworker who brings his own coffee and coffee press to work. He gets much good natured grief over his "snobbishness."

856 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:20:50am

re: #847 Occasional Reader

Agreed.

857 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:21:14am

re: #828 goddessoftheclassroom Huh, "a student volunteer" hey?!
Sounds more like a teacher's pet to me! LOL!

858 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:21:24am

re: #816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sounds like the Gaza strip and their sewage shitsuation.

859 vxbush  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:22:39am

re: #855 jcm

I have a coworker who brings his own coffee and coffee press to work. He gets much good natured grief over his "snobbishness."

Hey, I bring my own water to work. That's not any worse.

860 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:22:52am

Gah, enough about "best dance movies", I feel like someone's about to drag me away and give me a frickkin' pedicure.

How about a more manly topic, like "best close-quarter combat movies"? GRRR!

861 wolfie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:23:22am

re: #854 bosforus

So let's say Obama gets elected. What would have to happen during his presidency to make the Obamatons not reelect him?

The Obamatons are probably hopeless. It's all the useful idiots and yellow-dog Democrats that might turn on him if he is as incompetent as Jimmah.

862 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:23:55am

re: #851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

/How I wish I could open up a casino & play poker according to a "living" Hoyle.

I thought Hoyle was for Bridge?

863 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:24:10am

re: #854 bosforus

864 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:24:39am

re: #768 rawmuse

Here in my neighborhood the tragic news is of a triple killing, father and 2 sons. Likely a road rage incident. Be nice to your fellow motorists.

Wow, that's awful.

Either their description of the suspect vehicle is wrong, or the picture is wrong. The 300M is a front-wheel-drive, aerodynamic sedan, while the newer 300 in the picture is a rear-wheel-drive sedan.

865 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:24:43am

re: #832 Jewels (AKA Julian) Whoa, I remember him from "48 Hours" - a bruiser for sure!
Still doesn't have a chance in hell of winning though.

866 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:25:11am

re: #836 Golem Akbar

We can work with McCain and those he appoints for the courts. I doubt we'll be able to do that with Obama. I can enthusiastically support McCain after considering the alternative.

The thing that I find frustrating is that this will mean eight more years (hopefully) of dealing with someone that isn't a true conservative and is far too willing to deal with the other side and end up conceding too much to them.

867 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:25:25am

re: #844 WriterMom

Grease is fantastic. I know the entire movie off by heart.

My problem with it; don't the bad guys sort of... win?

I mean, Sandy turns into a greaser tramp at the end of the flick. That's not a happy ending, IMO.

868 jcm  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:25:40am

re: #859 vxbush

Hey, I bring my own water to work. That's not any worse.

Water Snob!

Seattle area tap water is really good. And we've got filtered coolers at work. I've been some places where the tap was down right nasty.

869 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:25:50am

re: #854 bosforus

So let's say Obama gets elected. What would have to happen during his presidency to make the Obamatons not reelect him?

gakk ,,, every time I try to utter those words I sort of throw up in my throat !

GGAAAAKKKKK

870 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:25:50am
871 illegal upchuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:26:01am

re: #799 jcm

Better than (forgot his name's) troll hammer?

872 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:26:01am

re: #777 faraway

Obama, the Black Orpheus.

Per wiki,

Barack is Morpheus.

873 realwest  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 8:26:02am

re: #840 illegal upchuck
Now that's the spirit! LOL!
Happy Anniversary!