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Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:06:44 pm PDT

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

Richard Feynman

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1 sadhu  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:28pm

who is the knower?

2 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:33pm
Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

I have no idea what he said so am I following his example?

3 RTLM  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:39pm
4 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #1 sadhu

who is the knower?


that's not the knower I knew

5 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:34pm

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?”

While others will probably vote for McCain.

6 kawabunga  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:35pm

I have his lecture series. A genius.

7 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:09:53pm

On vacation in the Wisconsin Dells this week with the family. Some of you may have seen where the torrential rains washed away a highway and surrounding land and drained a lake. Saw it today from the river and it was insane. Mother nature sure is a bitch when she gets pissed.

8 Macker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:10:48pm
9 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:11:27pm

I know!
- The Shadow

I know nothing!
- Sgt Schultz

10 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:11:38pm

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

11 kansas  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:12:42pm

Headline
Rocket Attacks Threaten Mideast Truce

In other words, Israel might respond, but until they do the "truce" holds.
Shit.

12 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:06pm

re: #10 angst

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

Well you can know where it is but nothing else. If you know anything else, you don't know where it is.

13 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:11pm

re: #10 angst

Well, of course he didn't know stuff. He was a quantum physicist. They never know where anything is.

They can't even tell you if the damn cat is alive or dead. That takes a biologist.

14 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:21pm

How did Obama get to know? How does anyone know Obama?

15 kansas  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:24pm

re: #9 The Shadow Do

I know!
- The Shadow

I know nothing!
- Sgt Schultz


Me neither.

Barack Obama

16 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:39pm

re: #5 solomonpanting

Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?”

While others will probably vote for McCain.

What better choice is there? Barr? Mmmm, no. Obama, Mmmmm no.

17 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:13:52pm

re: #14 DesertSage

How did Obama get to know? How does anyone know Obama?

I know Obama knows nothing.

18 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:04pm

More madness from the State Department

The U.S. government is considering sending envoys to Iran for the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution to boost contact between the two nations.
The U.S. State Department was considering opening a so-called interests section in Tehran to handle such issues as visa processing and other consular services, Financial Times reported Tuesday.


Looks like it's up to the Israeli to destroy the Iranian reactors because this sounds like we won't

19 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:11pm

re: #12 jcm

Well you can know where it is but nothing else. If you know anything else, you don't know where it is.

Well, that's one of the many possible states of knowing.

20 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:14:50pm

One.
We are one.
One is the beginning.
Are you one , Herbert ?

21 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:06pm
22 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:21pm
"As early as February 1997, mega-speculator George Soros's Quantum Fund started attacking Thailand's currency, the baht, and by June-July, it was taking short positions against (i.e., betting on the fall of) the Philippines peso, the Indonesian rupiah, and the Malaysian ringgit, which sent the currencies falling by 40-70% percent. On July 28, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad called Soros a ``criminal.''

The (Wall Street) Journal leapt to Soros's defense. It ran, on the front page of its Sept. 19 Asian and European editions, an article entitled ``Malaysia's Mahathir Finds Strange Source for Soros Campaign; Asian Country's Media Tap U.S. Conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche Jr.'' The Journal wrote that much of the information that the friends of Mahathir in Malaysia have used to skewer Soros, came from EIR and Lyndon LaRouche. The Journal perhaps thought that presenting the Mahathir-LaRouche relationship would be damaging to Mahathir. Indeed, what it did, was to draw the battle lines between Soros, speculator hit-man for the British Commonwealth, and LaRouche, whose record of accurate economic forecasts for 40 years is well known, and whose plan for a development-vectored new world monetary system, would destroy the financier oligarchy.

"

23 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:40pm

Al Gore is currently smiling in an ad in the side bar! He is looking slimmer and more tanned, probably because of global warming. He knows everything./

25 ted  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:15:59pm

I think he plagiarized this from Stinky Beaumont's dissertation on Existential Philosophy.

26 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:16:42pm
“How can you live without knowing?”

The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. If that isn't already a quote, I'll claim that one. That pretty much describes how I feel about things.

27 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:16:48pm

re: #23 snowcrash

That's got to be an old photo of Al.

28 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:17:18pm

re: #19 angst

Well, that's one of the many possible states of knowing.

Know it all!

29 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:17:47pm

re: #23 snowcrash

But what do I know.

30 wolfie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:18:03pm

re: #11 kansas

Headline
Rocket Attacks Threaten Mideast Truce
In other words, Israel might respond, but until they do the "truce" holds.
Shit.


ROFL ! I bet the MSMer who wrote that headline thinks it's sane!

31 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:18:25pm

re: #24 Typicalwhitey

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

32 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:24pm

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

33 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:32pm

The more I know, the less I know I know.

34 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #28 jcm

Know it all!

One of my many possible states of being. Albeit vanishingly unlikely.
That's what I love about quantum physics. Anything is possible, including the possibility that I have a clue.

35 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:00pm

re: #32 zombie

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

You rang?

36 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:45pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

maybe he just hates zombies

37 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:47pm

re: #33 ggt

The more I know, the less I know I know.

That is one of the most important things to know.
The other is to know what you don't know.

38 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:20:49pm

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

39 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:21:15pm

re: #27 jaunte
No, I'm pretty sure it's another side effect of global warming. He is tan and hungry. I'm not an intellectual heavyweight like Al but I can connect the dots!/

40 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:21:55pm

re: #31 Mich-again

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money? I want to know, and if Uncle Sam is going to pick up the tab for the deadbeats, what about those of us that managed to pay on-time, every-time.

41 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:07pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

But, isn't that law anti-capitalist, and pretty much a restriction on our freedoms?

42 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:08pm

re: #33 ggt

The more I know, the less I know I know.

That's the agnostics' credo!

43 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:09pm

re: #9 The Shadow Do

thanks for quoting my distant relative

plus one!

44 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:13pm

re: #32 zombie

Men as smart as Feynman aren't jerks, they are eccentric.

45 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:35pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

I only read "Six Easy Pieces," I never saw the lectures. The book was okay, as far as I could understand it.

46 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:48pm

re: #38 DesertSage


So the speculators take their action outside the US. What are these guys thinking?

47 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:22:52pm

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money? I want to know, and if Uncle Sam is going to pick up the tab for the deadbeats, what about those of us that managed to pay on-time, every-time.

Screwed again

48 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #37 jcm

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

49 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:24pm

re: #41 Mars Needs Neocons

But, isn't that law anti-capitalist, and pretty much a restriction on our freedoms?

yep, I forgot my sarcasm tag.

50 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:23:54pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

It's on Fox Business, the majority will never see it. All of the minority will.

51 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:16pm

re: #44 Neo Con since 9-11

Men as smart as Feynman aren't jerks, they are eccentric.

An English teacher of mine once said that rich people are not crazy, they are eccentric. Only the poor are considered crazy.

52 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:25pm

re: #49 DesertSage

yep, I forgot my sarcasm tag.

And I forgot to mention that mine was just stating the Democratic party platform.

53 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:30pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

We could have CA coast, FL coast, and other Gulf Coast fields on line in less than a year. If Congress lifts the moratoriums.

54 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:30pm

re: #37 jcm

That is one of the most important things to know.
The other is to know what you don't know.

One of my favorite songs EVER:

Justin Hinds And The Dominoes - Save A Bread

Today can be gladness, mister, you don't know
Tomorrow can be sadness, sister, you don't know
What makes the world go round, round and round?
You'll never know, you don't know

So save a bread, mister, save it for the future
Save a bread, sister, because things will be better
You know not the minute nor the hour man shall come
You know not the minute nor the hour, the time is now

What you know, you know, and what you don't know, you don't know
The greatest thing is to know that what you don't know, you don't know
Anywhere you go, what you don't know, you don't know

55 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:50pm

re: #31 Mich-again

I wonder how many Obamadisciples are donating to his campaign and skipping mortgage payments.

Actually, I think they're behind the copper theft plague. There's a lot of campaign funding that could come from that.

Smash & Grab For Obama! ;)

56 winston06  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:24:52pm

have a good night every body

57 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:02pm

re: #48 Mich-again

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

The trick lies in knowing the difference.

58 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:14pm

Additional quotes attributed to Richard Feynman:


The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

There is a computer disease that anybody who works with computers knows about. It's a very serious disease and it interferes completely with the work. The trouble with computers is that you 'play' with them!

59 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:15pm

re: #45 angst

I only read "Six Easy Pieces," I never saw the lectures. The book was okay, as far as I could understand it.

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

60 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:16pm

re: #48 Mich-again

There is the known, he unknown and the unknowable.

Then there's t the known, the unknown, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns?

Donald made sense to me. I don't know why everyone thought that was so funny.

61 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:23pm

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

62 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:41pm

OOOOOOH, it's on YouTube!

Justin Hinds & The Dominoes - 'Save a Bread'

A classic!

63 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:43pm

re: #46 jaunte

who speculates the speculators?

64 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:25:53pm

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, do I have to be delinquent in my mortgage(s) to qualify for the bail-out money?

I'd have to say yes. Because if you can still make your house note you must be one of those evil capitalistic "winners in life's lottery".

65 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:26:32pm

re: #47 Creeping Eruption

Screwed again

Responsibility sucks.

66 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:26:55pm

re: #61 schultzw

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

I though we already had one. It is called the Department of Defense.

67 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:07pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

I wondered where the hell that title came from. I have to admit, popular culture is not my strong point!

68 protestshooter  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:14pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

Had a cool van though. (Feynman diagrams on the side and license place QUANTUM). It was kind of famous in the 'hood.

69 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:29pm

re: #61 schultzw

"Meaningful levels of humanitarian aid and development aid would also be central to the Dept."
Whether the taxed agree or not. Because it's for Peace!

70 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:41pm

re: #60 angst

Then there's t the known, the unknown, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns?

Donald made sense to me. I don't know why everyone thought that was so funny.

I heard Donald on that, and said "damn straight!" Those who make fun, don't understand.

71 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:27:45pm

re: #61 schultzw

Department of Peace = US Marines.

We already got them.

72 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:26pm

re: #53 jcm

We could have CA coast, FL coast, and other Gulf Coast fields on line in less than a year. If Congress lifts the moratoriums.

All the congress would have to do is give the OK o drill in those areas and the speculative price of crude would drop by half.
Laws against speculation would only backfire and make things worse.

73 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

Some folks think that peace is the opposite of war. Therefore, due to this, they want to all hold hands and sing kumbayah while waiting for the Bush Legacy tour to come.

74 formercorpsman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:28:50pm

re: #59 DesertSage

One of the best.

75 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:00pm

re: #37 jcm

I will tell you that sometimes I suprise myself with what I know. Or rather, what I remember. It's always suprising to remember something you didn't know you knew.

76 shug  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:02pm
It isn't what you know, it's who you blow.

monica Lewinsky

77 Racer X  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:09pm

re: #38 DesertSage

Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts, Analysts Say

Its all so simple, Don't you see... congress just has to make a new law.

I say pass the law - but it expires in 60 days. If it works leave it. If not - oh well.

78 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:24pm

re: #63 schultzw

I hesitate to speculate on mankind's drive to peculate.

79 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:29:52pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk
Bill Whittle posted an essay a while back showing how, at a certain point, when scofflaws become too numerous, it is in the individual's self-interest to GO WITH THEM!

/and then social order collapses...

80 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:27pm

re: #51 Creeping Eruption

An English teacher of mine once said that rich people are not crazy, they are eccentric. Only the poor are considered crazy.

Same standard applies to geniuses. Look at Einstein.

resorted to collecting cigarette butts from the streets to circumvent his doctor's effort to stop him from smoking.


In anyone else, this behavior would get them labeled a bum, but the genius was just eccentric

81 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:30pm

re: #38 DesertSage


Nothing will happen if we wait for Congress. The Private Sector has to step forward and starting the ball rolling. Flex-Fuel cars, New-type fuel stations --whatever.

It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

82 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:38pm

re: #72 DesertSage

True that. And don't forget ANWR.

But I might go a step further even and propose offshore drilling rigs alongside floating refineries that would fill up tankers of gasoline. Forget the NIMBY idiots.

83 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:51pm

re: #67 angst

I wondered where the hell that title came from. I have to admit, popular culture is not my strong point!

Again, my sense of humor is dry tonight. That was a joke, the movie was named "Five Easy Pieces".

Sorry about that.

84 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:30:59pm

re: #70 jcm

I heard Donald on that, and said "damn straight!" Those who make fun, don't understand.

Well, it's exactly how you have to make a diagnosis in the ER at 3am. It made perfect sense to me.

85 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:08pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

Classic.

86 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:35pm

re: #58 freetoken

Additional quotes attributed to Richard Feynman:
The trouble with computers is that you 'play' with them!

So I see he was smart enough to see where the productivity increases that were promised to us by the brave new world of computers went.

87 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:31:55pm

Every time I look at that background image at the BHO website, I get the strange urge to head over to IHOP for some waffles.

88 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:03pm

re: #57 jcm

Isn't that the LGF prayer?

Wisdom to know the difference?

89 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #72 DesertSage

All the congress would have to do is give the OK o drill in those areas and the speculative price of crude would drop by half.
Laws against speculation would only backfire and make things worse.

The oil speculators actually moderate price spikes.

90 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:07pm

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

91 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:33pm

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

My favorite, too.

92 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:32:58pm

re: #75 ggt

I will tell you that sometimes I suprise myself with what I know. Or rather, what I remember. It's always suprising to remember something you didn't know you knew.

It's surprising the trivial stuff the I remember, I think I've been wasting brain space on THAT!

93 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:10pm

re: #61 schultzw

I thought we already had two actually:

The Department of Justice.
&
The Department of Defense.

94 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:35pm

re: #93 ggt

AND Homeland Security

95 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:33:37pm

re: #88 ggt

Isn't that the LGF prayer?

Wisdom to know the difference?

Some of the ID threads lot of folks lost sight of it.

96 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:34:10pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

All detailed in "The Shadow Party". He was even asked to help the dollar after 9-11 and did the opposite.

97 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:34:56pm

re: #73 schultzw

"Peace is not the absense of conflict, Peace is Justice"

I forgot the Rabbi who said that, I heard his lecture once.

98 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:35:12pm

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

99 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:35:45pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

The man who broke the Bank of England

Soros don't give a fuck as long a the buck ends in his pocket.

100 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:36:08pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

I think that you are going to take a fair number of hits for that.

101 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:36:28pm

re: #83 DesertSage

Again, my sense of humor is dry tonight. That was a joke, the movie was named "Five Easy Pieces".

Sorry about that.

Right. I knew Feynman was making a play on words from something- I just didn't know what. But, of course, the movie could well have been "Six Easy Pieces," for all I know! I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

102 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:37:17pm

re: #92 jcm

It's surprising the trivial stuff the I remember, I think I've been wasting brain space on THAT!

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

103 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:37:39pm

re: #100 Creeping Eruption

I think that you are going to take a fair number of hits for that.

One of those hits might be with a 6 iron through the windshield.

104 Drained Brain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:08pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

I'm not an intense movie fan but Nicholson to me is a quintessential anti-hero.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:10pm

re: #90 pat

Soros has been short on the dollar for years. One of the reasons he wants Obama is to collapse the American economy. I bet that Soros is short on all future currency positions, but long on resource positions. I would be interested in his Yuan position as well as the Yen. This information is highly classified, BTW. Soros is a creep. A real strange dude that has gone bizarre. Evil.

I was thinking he wanted to crash the economy first, so we'd vote for "change".

Why do I keep seeing Soros as a villain in a Bond movie? If Obama loses, those Bond villains are pretty nasty to those minions who fail them.

106 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:13pm

re: #20 shug

One.
We are one.
One is the beginning.
Are you one , Herbert ?

I am not Herbert.   I reach.

107 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:38:21pm

re: #103 CyanSnowHawk

One of those hits might be with a 6 iron through the windshield.

For starters

108 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:39:41pm

re: #102 Mars Needs Neocons

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

109 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #101 angst

Right. I knew Feynman was making a play on words from something- I just didn't know what. But, of course, the movie could well have been "Six Easy Pieces," for all I know! I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

Abbie Hoffman was one of the Chicago seven, Dustin Hoffman was The Graduate.

110 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:14pm

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

I was thinking he wanted to crash the economy first, so we'd vote for "change".

Why do I keep seeing Soros as a villain in a Bond movie? If Obama loses, those Bond villains are pretty nasty to those minions who fail them.

I've said before, he is the real Ernesto Blofeld. The problem is we don't have a real Bond to take him down.

111 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:21pm

re: #102 Mars Needs Neocons

Up until about 15 years ago my family referred to me as an inexhaustible font of useless trivia. Now its sometimes there, and sometimes it isn't. Only my father will play me in trivial pursuit though, even after two strokes he still barely beats me and destroys the rest of the family.

My entire family is hell on wheels with Trivial Pursuit, except in the entertainment category it's rare any of us miss a question.

Balderdash is another one, we know most of the words already.

As long as it's family it's fun, guests get massacred.

112 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:33pm

Jack Nicholson looks like he does not change his underwear and his breath stinks. Easiest way to make up with my wife is to put one of his movies on a TV.

113 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:40:44pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

Sports questions destroy me.

114 Rancher  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:14pm

re: #90 pat
He is a guide to how we should prepare.

115 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:21pm

re: #111 jcm

My entire family is hell on wheels with Trivial Pursuit, except in the entertainment category it's rare any of us miss a question.

Balderdash is another one, we know most of the words already.

As long as it's family it's fun, guests get massacred.

We've taken to destroying each other in Uno, at least its fair all around.

116 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

I am in the same type of boat. All my friends will start of a question with "Okay you might know this. . . ."

/was once called a well of useless information once.
//pointed out to same person all knowledge is useful at some period of time.

117 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:41:41pm

re: #108 Kosh's Shadow

Years ago, I was accused of cheating at Trivial Pursuit. I wasn't; I've just picked up a huge amount of random knowledge over the years.
Shocked my wife when I knew Knut Rockne invented the forward pass (I think that was the question)

My wife and daughter also tell me to shut up during Jeopardy so they have time to come up with the answer before I do.

118 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:15pm

re: #113 Mars Needs Neocons

Sports questions destroy me.

They usually do for me, but I remembered something from a comic book I had read years earlier.

119 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:22pm

re: #117 Kosh's Shadow

My wife and daughter also tell me to shut up during Jeopardy so they have time to come up with the answer before I do.

Tried out for Jeopardy. My damn test had 6 sports questions.

120 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:42pm

re: #112 pat

For him its been downhill since The Shining. Of course thats one of the greatest movies ever so..

121 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:48pm

re: #115 Mars Needs Neocons

We've taken to destroying each other in Uno, at least its fair all around.

Uno, another family favorite is Rook (similar to spades), some skill in playing the cards dealt, but we know each other so well bluffing doesn't work.

122 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:56pm

I know nothing. Hrummmmph

123 StudSupreme  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:42:57pm

re: #16 coquimbojoe

There IS a better choice - if you have a time machine.

The PERFECT presidential candidate for our time:
Themistocles.

Tied for first place with the above:
Publius Fabius Maximus.

Home boys both, fast and true.

124 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:14pm

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

They usually do for me, but I remembered something from a comic book I had read years earlier.

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

125 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:14pm

Interesting how us lizards are fountains of knowledge, while the Kos Sacks are fountains of ranting garbage.

126 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:31pm

re: #109 DesertSage

Abbie Hoffman was one of the Chicago seven, Dustin Hoffman was The Graduate.

Yes, but I was thinking of Jack Nicholson when I typed that!

127 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:43:32pm

re: #101 angst

I'm not sure I could tell Dustin Hoffman from Abby Hoffman.

Oh, I'm pretty sure you'd have no problem with that one.

Dustin Hoffman is alive.
Abbie Hoffman has been dead for 19 years.

128 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:06pm

re: #112 pat
Not a Nicholson fan, but LIKED him in "Wish Bucket"

129 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:23pm

re: #98 pat

Jack Nicholson has played the same part for the last 20 years, a slightly filthy man who repulses most. Sorry. I do not get it. Hack.

Nicholson has the same appeal to me that Tom Waits does. They are both crude and full of pathos, and a reasonable person would be repulsed by their rough edges and lack of polish.

But I still dig them both, and I really don't understand it, but there it is.

Sometimes I have to listen to Waits with my headphones because no one would understand why someone digs both him and Ravel or Copland.

130 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:26pm

re: #127 opilio

Oh, I'm pretty sure you'd have no problem with that one.

Dustin Hoffman is alive.
Abbie Hoffman has been dead for 19 years.

Okay, if I saw them side by side, I could do it.

131 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:29pm

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:44:50pm

"Dark City" is an underrated classic of a movie.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

133 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:23pm

re: #131 Mich-again

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

I put my mom (RIP) up against you! She was brutal!

134 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:31pm

re: #120 Mich-again

For him its been downhill since The Shining. Of course thats one of the greatest movies ever so..

Ditto. Good book to. Movie a bit less supernatural than the book, but an excellent performance. But we have seen the same repressed anger too many times. If he was a dog, I would have shot him by now.

135 Salem  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:42pm

How can you eat when it's snowing? That's easy, I always eat when it's snowing. How can you eat yellow snow is what I want to know.

136 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:45:57pm

re: #106 opilio

Are you one , Herbert ?

I gave to Hope a watch of mine: but he
an Anchor gave to me.
Then an old prayer-book I did present,
And he an optic sent.
With that, I gave a vial full of tears,
But he, a few green ears.
Ah, Loyterer, I'll no more, no more I'll bring!
I did expect a ring.

- George Herbert.

137 schultzw  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:04pm

Why I loathe Hollywood:
[Link: www.startribune.com...]

138 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:10pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

139 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:12pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons Ah, there you are! By the time I finished typing and posting an answer to your question in the prior thread, you'd come over here.
SO here's a repost (sorry folks)
re: #1023 Mars Needs Neocons I don't know either - you'd think that the US Department of Labor would be able to coordinate with the US DoD, but I'm not so sure.
What I AM sure about, is that 8 Vietnam Vets, all employed at very demanding, full time jobs, with precious little funding, managed to find full time -career type jobs for over 4,000 of our fellow Vietnam Vets in 11 years - and if we'd had more help, and money, we could easily have placed another 8,000 all in NYC alone.
Those figures by the Department of Labor may have been inflated, but I've known - personally - too many Vietnam Vets (real ones, not the make believe or wannabeen types) who were horribly discriminated against for at least two reasons: one, the media tended to portray us as drug addicted psychopaths (The Columbia School of Journalism, at our request, studied the characters in TV shows and found, over a period of just two years, that Vietnam Vets were ELEVEN times more likely to play drugged out or psychotic killers than they were cops) and the second is: America was truly tired by the Vietnam War - the homeland was not exactly complacent about it - and in it's rush to forget the war, also hurried did all it could to forget the warriors who fought it.
Then, of course, was the fact that the average age of a combat vet in Vietnam was 19 - very few had jobs to return to and had to start job searching as the economy went into a dive while Ford was President.

140 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:23pm

re: #126 angst

Yes, but I was thinking of Jack Nicholson when I typed that!

Well, I can't help you out with that :')

141 jaunte  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:46:49pm

re: #112 pat

According to a friend who has socialized with him at a Hollywood party, you are correct.

142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:47:26pm

re: #138 Creeping Eruption

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

I've got a RT graphic novel floating around here some where.

143 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:47:36pm

re: #113 Mars Needs Neocons

Me, too, except once. I knew that the last horse to win the Triple Crown prior to Secretariat was Citation.

144 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:48:31pm

re: #131 Mich-again

I shred at Scrabble. I don't care if the rest of the room teams up against me. I don't remember losing a game.

Back in grad school, my wife and I shredded the others with "squid" and "lox" (no bagels, though)

145 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:48:44pm

My mom was brutal at bridge. I was once a serious chess player, but had to give it up when I started dreaming chess and moving people around the room in my imagination at class or meetings. Went on to cribbage. Did well.

146 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:11pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

Back in grad school, my wife and I shredded the others with "squid" and "lox" (no bagels, though)

"Penguin" wins at hangman every time.

147 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:22pm

re: #140 DesertSage
Hey Sage - how are you doing tonight?

148 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:28pm

re: #122 pat

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

149 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:49:41pm

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've got a RT graphic novel floating around here some where.

Next is to dig up some Judge Dredd. Its been so long, I'm not sure if some of this stuff is still being published.

150 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:21pm

re: #139 realwest

Ah, there you are! By the time I finished typing and posting an answer to your question in the prior thread, you'd come over here.
SO here's a repost (sorry folks)
re: #1023 Mars Needs Neocons I don't know either - you'd think that the US Department of Labor would be able to coordinate with the US DoD, but I'm not so sure.
What I AM sure about, is that 8 Vietnam Vets, all employed at very demanding, full time jobs, with precious little funding, managed to find full time -career type jobs for over 4,000 of our fellow Vietnam Vets in 11 years - and if we'd had more help, and money, we could easily have placed another 8,000 all in NYC alone.
Those figures by the Department of Labor may have been inflated, but I've known - personally - too many Vietnam Vets (real ones, not the make believe or wannabeen types) who were horribly discriminated against for at least two reasons: one, the media tended to portray us as drug addicted psychopaths (The Columbia School of Journalism, at our request, studied the characters in TV shows and found, over a period of just two years, that Vietnam Vets were ELEVEN times more likely to play drugged out or psychotic killers than they were cops) and the second is: America was truly tired by the Vietnam War - the homeland was not exactly complacent about it - and in it's rush to forget the war, also hurried did all it could to forget the warriors who fought it.
Then, of course, was the fact that the average age of a combat vet in Vietnam was 19 - very few had jobs to return to and had to start job searching as the economy went into a dive while Ford was President.

I gotcha and replied down thread. I'm double threading past my bedtime.

/Somebody stop me!

151 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:34pm

re: #136 Dianna

I gave to Hope a watch of mine: but he
an Anchor gave to me.
Then an old prayer-book I did present,
And he an optic sent.
With that, I gave a vial full of tears,
But he, a few green ears.
Ah, Loyterer, I'll no more, no more I'll bring!
I did expect a ring.

- George Herbert.

Prosperity cannot be restored by raids upon the public Treasury.

- Herbert Hoover

152 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:40pm

re: #124 Mars Needs Neocons

I just access one of the 8000 comics I have been hoarding on my hard drive. (Since I lost my physical collection I have been in withdrawal)

are those whole stories or covers? if stories where?

153 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:40pm

re: #135 Salem

How can you eat when it's snowing? That's easy, I always eat when it's snowing. How can you eat yellow snow is what I want to know.


Zappa had a song about that -
Watch out where the huskies go

154 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:50pm

re: #148 Dianna

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

Is that like saying, "I'm the most plain!" if you're Amish?

155 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:50:55pm

re: #133 jcm

Well then I'll take your word and tip my hat. As for the rest of the 6+ billion still out there, bring it on beyotches!

156 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #148 Dianna

It's actually boastful to say that you're profoundly ignorant. Or, at least it was in The Left Hand of Darkness.

Lequinn

157 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:06pm

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting how us lizards are fountains of knowledge, while the Kos Sacks are fountains of ranting garbage.

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

158 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:19pm

re: #151 opilio

Oh! That's GOOD!

And from null-grey-bland Herbert Hoover, no less!

159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:41pm

re: #149 Creeping Eruption

Next is to dig up some Judge Dredd. Its been so long, I'm not sure if some of this stuff is still being published.

Kind of hard to find in the states. There was a cheap, campy version that got licensed over here which sucked. I got a few issues I scrounged up from overseas, so much better. Judge Death was one of the greatest villians ever.

160 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:45pm

re: #138 Creeping Eruption

Two weeks ago I went out and replaced my copy of Watchman (only comic to win the Hugo award - I think), got the itch, went online and started tracking down copies of Rogue Trooper.

I'm a bit nervous about that movie. Of course I've scene a few comic to scene comparisons and it looks dead on. Just wish Moore wasn't such a radical moonbat. (at least he seems to be judging by some of his comments about the US.)

161 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:51:53pm

re: #129 rawmuse

Not so!

I think Tom Waits is sporadically brilliant, and Ravel had about 3 moments of brilliance, and (do we mean Aaron Copeland? I hope so) could imitate brilliance well enough to fool me six times in 30.

162 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:52:35pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor.

The sense of humor is proportional to intelligence. Thus explaining the dour and ignorant nature of the typical KosKid.

163 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:52:51pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

How can anyone stay sane without a sense of humor?
/rhetorical question about the Kossies - and Muslims, another group with no sense of humor.

164 jcm  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:21pm

I do know this, it getting late.
Morning comes early.
The day is long.
So it's off to bed with me.

“He who is brave is free.”
Seneca

We remain the home of the brave.
We remain the home of the free.

N☭bama.

165 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:33pm

re: #143 Dianna

Me, too, except once. I knew that the last horse to win the Triple Crown prior to Secretariat was Citation.


It always amazes me when I actually am able to answer one.

re: #152 pat

are those whole stories or covers? if stories where?

Whole, but it's not really on the up and up. I just can't help myself. I buy what I can, but I have a need to read them all.

166 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:53:58pm

After a home invasion murder, Three fully armed complete with body armor Mexican Military personnel arrested here in Phoenix. They were attempting to lure Phx. Police into ally ambush after allowing themselves to be chased into ally at 7TH. ST, and Mcdowell. Ran out of ammunition. This is an act of war.

167 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:02pm

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kind of hard to find in the states. There was a cheap, campy version that got licensed over here which sucked. I got a few issues I scrounged up from overseas, so much better. Judge Death was one of the greatest villians ever.

Was that published by AD 2000 (I think that was the outfit that put out Rouge Trooper, Strontium Dog, etc...British company?) Any suggestions where to look?

168 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:44pm

re: #161 Dianna

Well, that is why music is subjective.
And Copland has no "e".
I loves me some Copland. And Holst. And Ravel, and Stravinsky.

169 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:54:58pm

re: #151 opilio

Hoover was right, but don't tell anyone, or the whole imaginary structure of entitlements will collapse, and we'll actually have to find jobs for section 8 types.

170 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:17pm

re: #147 realwest

Hey Sage - how are you doing tonight?

Hey RW! Long time no speak!
We were just talking about Jack Nicholson.

171 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:24pm

re: #166 jainphx

linky?

172 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #154 angst

Yes.

173 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:55:47pm

re: #161 Dianna

Not so!

I think Tom Waits is sporadically brilliant, and Ravel had about 3 moments of brilliance, and (do we mean Aaron Copeland? I hope so) could imitate brilliance well enough to fool me six times in 30.

Did anyone here not have to play Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man in high school band?

I like Rodeo the best. It's not often one finds classical music used to sell beef.

174 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:06pm

re: #166 jainphx

After a home invasion murder, Three fully armed complete with body armor Mexican Military personnel arrested here in Phoenix. They were attempting to lure Phx. Police into ally ambush after allowing themselves to be chased into ally at 7TH. ST, and Mcdowell. Ran out of ammunition. This is an act of war.

Link?

Armed Mexican troops in the US? Can we build the damn wall already?

175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:14pm

re: #167 Creeping Eruption

Was that published by AD 2000 (I think that was the outfit that put out Rouge Trooper, Strontium Dog, etc...British company?) Any suggestions where to look?

Try here, though the site is undergoing maintenance right now.

I'm trying to get a hold of some of the old Games Workshop stuff myself.

176 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:20pm

re: #168 rawmuse

Stravinsky needed someone to explain that the violins don't always have to be shrilling away in alt. Really. Otherwise, he's not bad.

177 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:29pm

7 straight days of rain in the forecast here. Thunderstorms scattered like Waffle House hash browns.

We have about 50 people due here for a graduation party Saturday. If it rains, I guess we'll play Euchre and Scrabble. And drink. I almost forgot that part.

178 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:30pm

re: #169 Dianna

Hoover was right, but don't tell anyone, or the whole imaginary structure of entitlements will collapse, and we'll actually have to find jobs for section 8 types.

HEY! I'm trying my damndest. I'm jumping through all of the hoops and still looking for work.

I know you don't mean me. Just having fun with you.

179 Carridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:31pm
Rouge Trooper

"Hey, Thweetie, got time for a Rouge Trooper? You're JUST MY TYPE, Handsome..."

"Gittaway from me, you fag!"

/or was it a typothetical mistrake?

180 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:56:50pm

re: #150 Mars Needs Neocons Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

181 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:57:35pm

re: #156 pat

LeGuin. Ursula K.

Daughter of one of the most brilliant anthropologists of the 20th Century, and it shows.

182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:57:38pm

re: #174 CyanSnowHawk

Link?

Armed Mexican troops in the US? Can we build the damn wall already?

Wouldn't be the first time. There was an incident a few years back where Mexican army opened fire on U.S. police around the border.

183 ggt  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:03pm

I gotta go to sleep, Lizards!

weet dreams!

184 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:14pm

re: #173 angst

Did anyone here not have to play Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man in high school band?

I like Rodeo the best. It's not often one finds classical music used to sell beef.

Personally I like Stewart Copeland myself.

185 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:37pm

re: #166 jainphx Link?

186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:58:53pm

re: #179 Carridine

"Hey, Thweetie, got time for a Rouge Trooper? You're JUST MY TYPE, Handsome..."

"Gittaway from me, you fag!"

/or was it a typothetical mistrake?

"Are those....transvestites? OH SHIT, THEY HAVE GUNS!"

- Eddie Izzard on the Transvestite Paratrooper Brigade

187 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:09pm

re: #183 ggt

I gotta go to sleep, Lizards!

weet dreams!

Were you trying to type "sweet dreams" or "wet dreams"?

188 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:09pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Try here, though the site is undergoing maintenance right now.

I'm trying to get a hold of some of the old Games Workshop stuff myself.

Thanks for the link, I'll check back to see when it has been fixed. Wonder oif they have actual old issues for sale.

189 opilio  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:41pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.

As a group, they're remarkable obtuse.

I occasionally comment over there, and the other day I left a sarcastic 2 sentence response to another commenter basically calling him an idiot. The KosKids failed to penetrate the sarcasm, and my comment received 5 up-dings, including one from the author of the original comment!

190 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 9:59:45pm

Copland was a socialist, but in those days, if you weren't, you were a rat fink.

191 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:11pm

re: #180 realwest

Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

ARNG - 1988-1990 Cannon Crewmember
Air Force 1990-1995 SP

Desert Shield (1 day)
Desert Storm
Whatever the hell we called it in 91-92

I'm getting a lot of support from the VA, but they're getting as frustrated as I am.

I'll try to email you, but I've had some problems with the system so I'll blue my nic too, just in case you don't get anything.

192 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:21pm

re: #173 angst

I had to sing the bits about "Dancing ladies, making matches, playing games, singing snatches."

I'd dearly love to forget.

193 AZfederalist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:39pm

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

I thought we already had one. It is called the Department of Defense.

Yep, the old Latin saying: Si Vera Pacem, Para Bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war) has always been a truism. Works on a small scale (you aren't going to mess with the body builder down the block), works on a large scale: if we had a pair in the 70's, Iran wouldn't be pursuing nukes now.

194 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:48pm

re: #187 angst

Were you trying to type "sweet dreams" or "wet dreams"?

LOL

195 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:00:59pm

Too many fires in California. The air was not good today. Can we have some of your rain, Mich-again?

196 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:27pm

re: #170 DesertSage
Yeah, Sage, long time no receive e-mail from you!
LOL! Jack Nicholson - fraid I can't really add anything to the discussion; I've seen him in some great movies/roles and some crappy ones but somehow or other he seems to play the same type of person, ya know?

197 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #180 realwest

Ah, read your post in the prior thread.
I thank you for your service to our Nation.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time of it and fear that part of it could be the unpopularity of Your war, just as mine was so unpopular.
Do ya mind me asking what you did in the service and what branch, dates and all? (my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail me directly). Don't know if I can help you with getting a job, but as one of the 8 Vietnam Vets who did in fact help so many others out, I do have some ideas as to ways you might be able to help yourself.
Oh, and as with the other work I did with Vietnam Veterans, any advice or help I can give you is for free.

Yep it went to a blank page again. It's done that everytime since I upgraded to Firefox 3

198 angst  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #192 Dianna

I had to sing the bits about "Dancing ladies, making matches, playing games, singing snatches."

I'd dearly love to forget.

Thank God I just listen to the instrumentals!

199 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:01:38pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wouldn't be the first time. There was an incident a few years back where Mexican army opened fire on U.S. police around the border.

I remember. The corruption down there is insane, but I have to think that the crooks wouldn't be flailing so much if the Gov't. crackdowns were not having an effect. With luck, in 25 years, it might be a nice place to visit again. Until then, they don't get tourist dollar one from me or my family.

200 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:02:04pm

Speaking of Tom Waits, this is still my favorite. Not to get morbid or anything, but it's in my last will and testament that it be played at my service. I guess I just sorta connect with it. ;)

201 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:02:11pm

re: #174 CyanSnowHawk

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

202 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:03:08pm

re: #177 Mich-again

7 straight days of rain in the forecast here. Thunderstorms scattered like Waffle House hash browns.

We have about 50 people due here for a graduation party Saturday. If it rains, I guess we'll play Euchre and Scrabble. And drink. I almost forgot that part.

I feel your pain. See my number 7 above.

203 Mich-again  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:03:54pm

re: #195 rawmuse

Can we have some of your rain, Mich-again?


I haven't turned on my sprinklers once this year and yet the lawn is the best I can remember. Sorry, wish we could help you out there.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:04:59pm

re: #200 Cartman

I'm partial to What's he building in there?

205 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:14pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

It does. I live within 20 miles of the border. I will not go down there.

206 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:17pm

re: #198 angst

Isn't it just awful?

207 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:21pm

By the way, any comic junkies that want to know how I do what I do, drop me an email. Just promise me that you will continue to buy, we can't read em if they can't afford to write em.

208 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:05:31pm

Hey Dianna, the Financial District just had a power transformer blow. No electricity right now. Bring a flashlight tomorrow.

209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:12pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.

Your average civilian is safer in Iraq than he is in Mexico.

Some one needs to go down there and clear house.

210 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:52pm

re: #193 AZfederalist

Yep, the old Latin saying: Si Vera Pacem, Para Bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war) has always been a truism. Works on a small scale (you aren't going to mess with the body builder down the block), works on a large scale: if we had a pair in the 70's, Iran wouldn't be pursuing nukes now.

Is that where the term Parabellum (as in 9mm) came from?

211 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:06:55pm

re: #208 rawmuse

Oh, peachy.

212 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:05pm

Good night everybody.

213 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:17pm

re: #157 Cartman

And they absolutely lack any semblance of a sense of humor. I find that awfully telling. They are very dark souls, most of 'em.


I always flash on this guy who played the revolutionary in Dr. Zhivago. He never smiled once in the movie.

214 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:29pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

215 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:07:52pm

re: #201 Dianna

It's happened a number of times; the trouble is, we can't tell if it's actually the Mexican army qua Mexican army, drug gangs with Mexican army equipment, or portions of the Mexican army rented out to drug gangs.

Frankly, neither can the Mexicans.

This should make you nervous.


Kill them all, and sort out the bodies. Better than watching our National Guard runaway because they are unarmed. Bush. spit.

216 Murqtaad  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:02pm

obamessiah.blogspot.com

217 whitehatguy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:06pm

I knew Feynman and I'm sorry you're no Feynman.

218 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:39pm

re: #214 Dianna

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

Remember reading in history where anyone with the money and urge could form a brigade and go charging off into whatever war interested them?

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:42pm

re: #214 Dianna

The problem being, if we form a lizard brigade, we'd be in trouble.

I was thinking something on a slightly larger scale, but the pussies in DC are bought and paid for already,

220 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #215 pat

Sigh.

221 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:09:16pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I'm partial to What's he building in there?

To each his own, I guess. ;)

222 whitehatguy  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:11pm

I know, therefore I am not not.

223 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:33pm

Whenever I need a lift, I play
This I Dig of You.

224 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:10:44pm

re: #218 Mars Needs Neocons

It was a much more free-wheeling era. These days, we'd have various federal agencies descending on us so fast we'd be in jail before our heads stopped spinning.

heck, at this rate, I'd hesitate to make a date to go shooting!

225 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:15pm

re: #224 Dianna

It was a much more free-wheeling era. These days, we'd have various federal agencies descending on us so fast we'd be in jail before our heads stopped spinning.

heck, at this rate, I'd hesitate to make a date to go shooting!

That's no lie.

226 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:23pm

Excuse me a few minutes.

227 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:53pm

re: #171 BlueCanuck

Don't have, it was on the J.D. Hayworth radio program today. The house invasion was to kill the drug dealers in the house, they killed one but expended most of their ammo attacking the house. The open boarder Mayor tried to keep it quiet, should hit the media tomorrow.

228 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:11:59pm

We can't mention Mr Waits without Chocolate Jesus

229 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:13:56pm

I don't care if it rains or freezes ling as I got my chocolate Jesus glued to the back of the fridge.

230 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:14:25pm

re: #223 rawmuse

Whenever I need a lift, I play
This I Dig of You.

That definitely shakes the moneymaker. ;)

231 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:15:24pm

Night all.

Kosh, Krager, whoever else. I'm serious, drop me an email. I'll try to help on the comic front anyway I can. Comics preservation is vital.

232 tackle  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:15:25pm

Longtime incumbent Rep. Chris Cannon (RINO-UT) has just lost a primary against newcomer, constitution-leaning Chaffetz. Voters were pissed here and were ready for a change.
Cannon supported amnesty, as did his brother Joe Cannon of the Deseret Morning News.
Change!

233 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:17:02pm

...and you could hear a pin drop.

234 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:02pm

re: #233 Cartman

...and you could hear a pin drop.

and echo

235 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:20pm

Rawmuse, I can't find anything on the blown transformer.

Linkage? Help?

236 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:24pm


Cool Hand Luke
Plastic Jesus. Some realize it's for real. lol

237 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:18:30pm

Home invasion, bad stuff. I have survived one.
That little incident made me get serious about security.

238 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:25pm

re: #235 Dianna

Heard on KSFO, local coverage. The transformer is on Drumm St.
No linky yet.

239 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:32pm

re: #237 rawmuse

It would tend to!

240 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:19:44pm

re: #233 Cartman

It's the quiet before the storm.

241 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:20:19pm

re: #238 rawmuse

OK. I'll go over to ksfo's website and see what they can tell me. If anything.

I may need to call my boss.

242 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:21:06pm

re: #191 Mars Needs Neocons I just sent you an e-mail. Hopefully it'll get through. I haven't received an e-mail from you.

243 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:21:37pm

re: #237 rawmuse

This seems to be a drug war that started in Mexico. The drug dealers came to Arizona to stay alive. The perpetrators were Special forces Mexican army working for the cartel.

244 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:22:31pm

re: #243 jainphx

Pros! That is some scary shit.
My incident was a kid on PCP, along with his pals.

245 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:22:34pm

re: #232 tackle

By a rather significant margin too.

246 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:23:32pm

re: #244 rawmuse

Pros! That is some scary shit.
My incident was a kid on PCP, along with his pals.

Outcome - if you don't mind my asking?

247 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #243 jainphx

Then it's not an act of war. What precisely it ought to be defined as, I'm not sure, except as an insane level of corruption.

248 realwest  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:25:18pm

Well all y'all it's been an interesting night, as usual, but I gotta get some sleep!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all!

249 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:25:26pm

re: #244 rawmuse

Yeah they were in full Armored outfit with Phoenix Police shirts. The scary part is this happened Sunday, if J.D. didn't find out about it we would never have known.

250 Dianna  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:26:04pm

I give up. I can't find any word on what the blown transformer will mean for my morning commute, or my boss', so I am going to bed.

Take care, lizards.

251 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:27:28pm

re: #232 tackle

Longtime incumbent Rep. Chris Cannon (RINO-UT) has just lost a primary against newcomer, constitution-leaning Chaffetz. Voters were pissed here and were ready for a change.
Cannon supported amnesty, as did his brother Joe Cannon of the Deseret Morning News.
Change!

Jason Chaffetz, I believe, used to be a democrat organizer....

252 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:27:57pm

re: #246 Creeping Eruption

I am here, ain't I?
The unfortunate lad was last seen being carried off on a buckboard, restrained hand, chest and foot, by the SFPD.
He is serving for multiple felonies, along with his buds.

But there was about 10 minute bloody struggle in my kitchen in which the outcome was uncertain. If you have never fought an 18 year kid on PCP, I hope you never do. Adrenaline comes in handy.

It broke my heart really, I used to play basketball with him when he was a child.

253 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:28:56pm

re: #247 Dianna

The fact that they were Army personnel, should count for something. You may be right, but I don't want another country's military people here doing drug business killings and what have you.

254 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:30:23pm

re: #251 coquimbojoe

Jason Chaffetz, I believe, used to be a democrat organizer....

His dad had married Kitty Dukakis before she married Gov Dukakis....

255 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:31:45pm

re: #252 rawmuse

I am here, ain't I?
The unfortunate lad was last seen being carried off on a buckboard, restrained hand, chest and foot, by the SFPD.
He is serving for multiple felonies, along with his buds.

But there was about 10 minute bloody struggle in my kitchen in which the outcome was uncertain. If you have never fought an 18 year kid on PCP, I hope you never do. Adrenaline comes in handy.

It broke my heart really, I used to play basketball with him when he was a child.

Never have - hope to never have to in the future. I have been lucky. Outside a few scuffles on the playground when I was a kid, I have only been in one fight in my life when I was a bouncer in college. Not a fair fight either - he was drunk and I was stone cold sober.

256 Cartman  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:32:14pm

Well, I seem to have misplaced my circadian rythms somewhere. I'm off to try and find 'em.

G'nite, all.

257 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:37:13pm
258 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:37:37pm

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

I hope that was my last one.

259 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:38:37pm

re: #257 Syrah

Drill Drill Drill, build Refineries, then Drill Drill Drill.

260 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:40:58pm

re: #258 rawmuse

Drugs do funny thing to otherwise descent people.

261 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:41:53pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

Did you notice this from Breitbart

Zombie Time: "World Can't Wait and various freelance America-dislikers responded [to the Star Spangled Banner] by giving the Nazi salute and screaming in protest."

262 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:44:25pm

re: #259 jainphx

Drill Drill Drill, build Refineries, then Drill Drill Drill.

Oh and stop wasting corn by turning it into gas. Converting sugar into gas is much more efficient unless environmental types close down 300 sq miles of sugar production

263 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:44:27pm

Feynman... The Einstein for the second half of the 20th. Century.

Still relevant so long after his all too short life.
What a seeker of truth... what a downright good human being.

Sadly missed

264 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:45:35pm

Oooh, due to the sheer numbers of linkages, I didn't see that my latest Berkeley report got linked on the lefty-ish "SFist," the local franchise of a city-by-city gossip blog empire.

I've noticed, more and more recently, that some left-leaning and semi-moonbatty sites are beginning to link to me in numbers higher than ever. Not sure what is casuing this shift.

The best part is that SFist counts as a "news source" to Google, so that eventually it will crop up on Google News too.

265 Aussie Infidel  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:46:28pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

Ohhh I get it now!

Just put your hand in my pockets and help yourself.

/sarc/ OFF

266 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:46:47pm

re: #261 solomonpanting

Did you notice this from Breitbart

Zombie Time: "World Can't Wait and various freelance America-dislikers responded [to the Star Spangled Banner] by giving the Nazi salute and screaming in protest."

Ooooh! Excellent. Thanks for that catch.

Hey Ma -- I'm on tee-vee!

267 jainphx  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #262 Neo Con since 9-11

They can't figure out why the cost of food is going up, the idiots are turning it into fuel. Less efficient and more costly, and subsidized by tax payers, makes no sense.

268 solomonpanting  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:24pm

re: #266 zombie

Congratulations

269 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:48:48pm

Read this article in the Denver Post very carefully.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Denver mayor John Hickenlooper is saying that federal officials have ensured that they will be sending a lump sum check to Denver for 50 million dollars before the Democratic National Convention to cover the security costs incurred by the city.

In addition, the article claims that other monies will be provided for ancillary costs. Please note that not one federal official has been named. So we now have Denver's mayor and Colorado's do-nothing governor, both democrats, claiming that the feds are coming to the rescue of the DNC, who at last check was 16 million dollars short of meeting their financial promises for their convention.

No named sources, but the money's on the way. The Federal government is authorized to dispense 16.5 million dollars to each party for security costs for their conventions, so I definitely smell a rat. Why should America's taxpayers pay for a party function?

The dems are setting this up as a publicity hit big time against George Bush prior to November. They want to claim that they've been screwed out of their money by crooked politics.

Watch out for this one, it may get really ugly. No sources named in any statements anywhere in the article for the dispersement of more than 50 million dollars by the administration reeks as a bald-faced lie by the dems.

It just keeps getting better.

270 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:50:48pm

re: #257 Syrah

Oil prices won't come down: OPEC president

If we developed alternative sources of energy, oil prices would drop.
In the 1970s prices were high until work on alternatives got serious. The spigots opened, the prices dropped, and people who invested in alternatives got screwed.

271 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:50:52pm

Economy on brink of recession, Greenspan says

We are feeling it at work. The projected lack of work for this summer is getting unnerving.

272 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:52:28pm

Islamic terrorists attack Danish Embassy in Pakistan, France retreats..

273 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #271 Syrah

Economy on brink of recession, Greenspan says

We are feeling it at work. The projected lack of work for this summer is getting unnerving.

Soros is partying like its 1929

274 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:05pm

re: #266 zombie

Ooooh! Excellent. Thanks for that catch.

Hey Ma -- I'm on tee-vee!

Good work Zombie.

275 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:09pm

Send Barack Your Baby.

Obviously a joke site. What's not really all that funny is the news report I spotted this on also talked about how people would "crowd surf" their infant children out to Obama to be kissed at rallies and the like.

/spun off

276 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:43pm

Weird. I just did a search on Google News for Zombietime for the last month: no SFist listing, but four others -- and the top one, for a British tabloid satire called "Anorak" I can't get to work. Strange.

Well, life goes on...What have I done for me lately?

277 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:55:53pm

re: #272 Yankee Division Son

Islamic terrorists attack Danish Embassy in Pakistan, France retreats..

/link fixed (?)

278 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:56:08pm

re: #32 zombie

I think the death of Feynman's first wife (Arlene) from TB the same week as the Alamagordo test bent him out of shape more than a little, for a while.

Pompous he generally was not. (Except with self-important blowhards and kooks. Like a top gun of the old west, he attracted such people and had to dispatch them as efficiently as practical, much to his displeasure and annoyance). Neils Bohr sought him out for serious private discussions. Bohr understood that RPF was not driven by ego, and was quite willing to be found wrong or uninformed. Perhaps more important to Bohr, he trusted Feynman to be candid and scrupulously (even brutally) honest about things discussed, especially science. Murray Gell-Mann knew this also. Gell-Mann was pompous, but deservedly so. And Feynman knew that, too.

Some books about Feynman I've especially liked:
Feynman's Rainbow: A Search for Beauty in Physics and in Life by Leonard Mlodinow
Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman by James Gleick
Brighter than a Thousand Suns: A Personal History of the Atomic Scientists by Robert Jungk (about several people)

279 Syrah  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 10:58:46pm

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

Soros is partying like its 1929

I still think Soros is actually just Ernst Stavros Blofeld in disguise.

280 zombie  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #278 abolitionist

Well, maybe he's not as bad as I thought. The stories I heard from the physics geeks I used to know made him sound dismissive and a bit sadistic.

281 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:03:54pm

By all the good real property you can. Panic is the medias role in economies.

282 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:24pm

Looks like Ol'merde will stay in office longer.

He needs to be out before Iran builds nukes and ships them to Hizballah.
Labor, Kadima agree to avoid dissolution of Knesset

283 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:24pm

So do you guys figure that the nazi terrorist pig in GB who had 39,000 child porn pics had a signed color 8x10 of Josef Mengele in the middle of his wall of matted and framed porn pics of little girls?

That image just really makes me want to puke. There is evil in this world, and it feeds upon itself.

It's sad that they couldn't bring the child abuse photos into the terror trial. I hope somebody takes care of this guy in prison.

284 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:07:29pm

possible outbreak of Industrial Disease at 2H6's place of w*rk, so i'm on standby as a warm form.

tonight's fruit cup has been located & improved, and i'm off to the rack.

L8r!

285 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:09:10pm

re: #32 zombie

I am surprised, zomb -- I can see how you would think him egotistical (he may not always have been a gentleman to women in his life, although they got a piece of him too) but sanctimonious, how?
Based on his posthumous hagiographies or what?
I knew him very distantly, he already had cancer of everything (got more than a dose of radiation during the Manhattan project) and undergrads were donating blood for him. Last time I saw him he was walking ahead of me, crossed the street to the campus and stopped to look at some yellow asters in a raised flower pot.
I caught up and passed him and was on my way and he was still looking at one flower, for minutes and minutes.

286 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:09:29pm

re: #282 Kosh's Shadow

Looks like Ol'merde will stay in office longer.

He needs to be out before Iran builds nukes and ships them to Hizballah.
Labor, Kadima agree to avoid dissolution of Knesset

Carl has a good piece on this in the spinoffs.

287 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:13:57pm
Some people say, “How can you live without knowing?” I do not know what they mean. I always live without knowing. That is easy. How you get to know is what I want to know.

OK, #2, what this means is, it's just automatic. You're born ignorant. Everybody is ignorant. The world is awash in questions and mostly no answers, or pat wrong answers.

The problem is, how do you get to where you do know?

Galileo, some time back, made the observation that anyone who thought he understood everything had never had to really understand anything. It is rather a challenge to understand even a simple thing like the swing of a mass at the end of a rope. Galileo was the first to make any real headway with it.

288 Mauser  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:14:30pm

I have a lot of trouble really believing Orson Scott Card is a Democrat, when he writes things as intelligent as this:

[Link: www.ornery.org...]

President Bush said, "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

Thus he stated, quite clearly, how delusional are those who think that what we have in our war with radical Islam is a "failure to communicate." There is no failure: communication has been crystal clear. Our enemies have announced their firm intention to destroy our civilization, to kill all the Jews, and to kill any Muslim who doesn't go along with their program. Iran has announced its intention, if they get nuclear missiles, to obliterate Tel Aviv. Al Qaeda has declared its intention to destroy the West.

We are not misunderstanding their intentions -- they have acted exactly according to these stated goals whenever they have had the power to do so.

There is nothing we can do, short of killing them or surrendering to them, that will stop them from acting as they have been acting for decades -- murderously and relentlessly. There is certainly nothing we can say.

There are no "root causes" we can address. Al Qaeda and Iran keep changing their statements of what we have done that provokes them. We withdrew our forces from Saudi Arabia -- and Al Qaeda no longer used that as their excuse for attacking us. But they kept on attacking. The excuse was the illusion -- the implacable hatred was the reality.

Nor have they misunderstood us. Those who hate us are among the best-educated people in the Muslim world. The more they know us, the more they hate and fear our civilization's influence on the Muslim world. They know that radical Islam is even less well-suited to deal with modern science and technology than fundamentalist Christianity, which has made its accommodations. To match the technological and scientific superiority of the West, they have to educate their children in something other than the Quran. Therefore they want to tear down the West and make sure everybody's children learn nothing but the Quran. In equal ignorance, the advantage of the West would disappear.

Furthermore, in the cases where we have negotiated with terrorists, they have almost never kept their word. When Ronald Reagan stupidly negotiated with Iran to buy, with American weapons, the freedom of hostages held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, our hostages were released (except those that had already been murdered) -- but they simply took more hostages. They finally stopped, not because of negotiations, but because the taking of hostages was no longer accomplishing what they wanted.

As for the Palestinians, they have never kept any agreement. Israel makes concessions; the Palestinians make promises. The Palestinians break the promises; Israel refuses to make any more concessions; and then the Palestinians scream that it's Israel that is not keeping the treaty. The Palestinians murder Israeli schoolchildren, and when Israel strikes back against terrorists, the Palestinians scream about Israeli aggression.

In short, there is no negotiation with people who have decided that everything we are and hope for and believe in must be torn down and destroyed. And it is amazing to me that the people most determined to rely on negotiations with these terrorists are precisely the people whose purported values are the first ones that these terrorists would destroy, if they were ever given the chance to decide how the West should live.

I didn't mean to quote such a long passage (from a much longer essay) but there didn't seem to be a good place to cut it off before the whole idea was complete.

289 Purple Prose  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:16:28pm

That Feynman quote perfectly describes what 99% of scientists are doing. Don't ever be fooled by media hype, which wants to create a circus out of science. Science is slow and steady and self-correcting. Any individual finding is always just a small piece in a huge puzzle. But the media want to take each finding and hype into something huge. This is not the fault of scientists. It is the fault of the media.

Science is doing what it always does: slowly, carefully amassing data: experimental data or more historical data, like fossils, and then trying to explain them by some hypothesis or theory that makes additional predictions. The testable predictions may upon further experimentation show that the hypothesis was incorrect or limited to a particular case and not general enough, but that is the beauty of the process. Every good experiment yields some information. That information may be true just in a limited set of circumstances, but it then leads to more experiments that yield more information that then allow for more general interpretations, and so on.

The media, however, work on a 24-hour news cycle. They are fundamentally incompatible with the slow and tentative nature of science. They want THE answer to THE question that they want to focus on for that day. Science's strength is that it says that we are constantly striving toward greater definition of what is true, but we don't get there with one scientific study. And even after a million studies, things are still deemed tentative - another bit of information could arise that calls into question the generality of a theory, so then that theory needs to be amended or even discarded for something that is even better at explaining experimental reality.

That obviously doesn't work for the news cycle.

So it's not scientists that are the weenies for over-promising or over-interpreting. They all know that things are so complex that whatever they do as individuals is just a small part of a larger process that provides pieces to the whole puzzle.

It's the media. The media makes monkeys out of everyone, scientists, politicians, celebrities. Yet the media just responds to what they perceive as the public's desire for new and easy-to-digest information and instructions (do this and don't do that or this is good but that is bad). So we all need to change and not expect everything all at once. Patience. Accept your ignorance. Be happy you don't know everything. Don't expect others to tell you the absolute truth. What a boring world it would be if we all knew everything or could turn to someone or some creed that would tell us what absolute truth was. We don't need that. There is enough fascism in the world.

290 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:16:34pm

re: #280 zombie

one has to learn to be dismissive when one is the recipient of several "unified theory of everything" manuscripts a week.
He did read newspapers during physics colloquia, asking Gell-Mann closer to the wrap-up, "does this guy know anything?" -- if Gell-Mann said yes, Feynman would look up and ask questions. But there is so much hot air in physics, one has to have strong filters like that. He was very cool with undergrads.

291 tackle  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:18:56pm

re: #254 coquimbojoe

I heard there was a Dukakis connection. He also worked for gov. Huntsman, I think. Seemed to go far right for the election. Knew what buttons to push, anyway.

292 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:20:13pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

Send Barack Your Baby.

Obviously a joke site. What's not really all that funny is the news report I spotted this on also talked about how people would "crowd surf" their infant children out to Obama to be kissed at rallies and the like.

/spun off

OMG! That is just SICK!

btw, did you notice (above), he's ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-ack! Wanted to comment on his excellent find of a story, but... well... not up for any more dick-slaps lately.

293 2senseplain  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:21:37pm

re: #32 zombie

2nd the motion. I went to school with his son and sometimes he was the one to pick him up from play dates. Completely self-centered unsocialized but he was allowed to get away with it because of his brilliance at physics. Being smart or even knowing a lot of cultural stuff doesn't nessecarily fit you out to be a decent human being.

294 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:22:02pm

re: #270 Kosh's Shadow

If we developed alternative sources of energy, oil prices would drop.
In the 1970s prices were high until work on alternatives got serious. The spigots opened, the prices dropped, and people who invested in alternatives got screwed.

Actually, oil prices won't drop even if we do develop alternate energy. Dow just announced a 25% price increase. Oil is their feedstock. The highest and best use of oil is as feedstock. Dow can get those price increases precisely because the stuff one makes from oil is vital.

Its use to power home heating, automobiles, and, top silliness, generators, is doomed. But the value of the chemicals and plastics you can make from oil is so high, now that we and India and China have the skills to make the cool stuff with it, is so great that the limiting factor, oil, will go ever higher.

Iron ore prices are up 85% just this week. Same thing. The limiting factor is the raw material. We have the skill to make all sorts of cool things with iron. We don't know how to make iron from water. It has to come from iron ore.

We must develop wind, solar, and nuclear power. Nuclear is not optional in this mix. And while we're waiting for that to come online, we'll have to get our electricity by burning coal.

We'll need more electricity than ever, because we'll be heating our homes with it (heat pumps) and driving our cars on it (plug in battery powered). That's the best scenario. If we can't swing that, it's going to be pretty ugly.

295 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:24:55pm

re: #292 LeePro

Morning {LeePro} hows things today?

296 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:25:34pm

I heard from a life long Republican today that he will vote for Obama because Obama will lower taxes, stop the Muslims from killing us, close the borders, destroy big oil and the drug companies, and pay for his medical needs.
Need I say that Bush's in-eloquence, unwillingness to secure the borders, kiss Saudi ass, inept hiring practices, has cost this nation the it's soul. We are left in the hands of an arrogant, racist fool and discredited mental dwarves. Who wish to deconstruct America .

297 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:26:44pm

re: #294 lostlakehiker

Actually, oil prices won't drop even if we do develop alternate energy. Dow just announced a 25% price increase. Oil is their feedstock. The highest and best use of oil is as feedstock. Dow can get those price increases precisely because the stuff one makes from oil is vital.

Its use to power home heating, automobiles, and, top silliness, generators, is doomed. But the value of the chemicals and plastics you can make from oil is so high, now that we and India and China have the skills to make the cool stuff with it, is so great that the limiting factor, oil, will go ever higher.

Iron ore prices are up 85% just this week. Same thing. The limiting factor is the raw material. We have the skill to make all sorts of cool things with iron. We don't know how to make iron from water. It has to come from iron ore.

We must develop wind, solar, and nuclear power. Nuclear is not optional in this mix. And while we're waiting for that to come online, we'll have to get our electricity by burning coal.

We'll need more electricity than ever, because we'll be heating our homes with it (heat pumps) and driving our cars on it (plug in battery powered). That's the best scenario. If we can't swing that, it's going to be pretty ugly.

If we had a source to replace most of our energy, demand would drop, and so would prices.
And the oil ticks could open the spigots deliberately to put the alternatives out of business again.

But I still think we need more nuclear power plants in the US. Iran, no.

298 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:27:49pm

re: #296 pat

Ah, a Creative Destructionist?

299 Nightwatch  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:29:16pm

The great ness of commenting on such an attacked blogg site is the way you attract so MANY flies, gnats, fleas, and other blood suckin insects of the lefty, Commie, Marxists swamps, what they don't know is that the RED BUG ZAPPER OF DOOM is gently sucking them in for the terminal FRY.
Was that a BBBBBIIIIIIZZZZ and the smell of ?CHICKEN? NAW, just the smell of burning enlarged puppet heads of G W with their loser actors inside! OOPS....forgot to call the Fire Dept............Harsh?

Keep pushing your waist-coat obama-mate soon to be JUST another pol-pusher vote fer me cause I CHANGE when you least expect it......player........PLAYER. And his WIFE, 1st lady or 1st flame-thrower? OOOOOHHHHHH YAHHHHH this cycle has TOXIC written all over it! Bunkers? or DEEPER BUNKERS, u decide......

300 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:29:42pm

re: #294 lostlakehiker

Chinese steelmakers agree to pay Rio Tinto 96% more for iron ore

Global inflation fears deepened yesterday as Chinese steelmakers agreed to a record increase in annual iron ore prices - a move likely to boost the cost of cars, machinery and other products.

Had that news article open in a tab all day... thanks for reminding me to post it.

Yes, inflation is alive and well.

Concur on your statement, especially with the need to expand sources for electricity.

I remember the days of 29 cents gasoline... those days (and my youth) are gone...

We must live in the present and prepare for the future... a future where oil is priced according to its scarcity rather than the wishes of easily manipulated constituencies.

301 Karridine  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:30:44pm

re: #288 Mauser

I also GreenHearted this, thank you, Mauser!

I am especially glad that Card, a Democrat, sees this. We don't make things up. We don't need some shadowy 'them' to wield fear like a shibboleth. We don't kill our own in order to scream, 'Terrorists!'

We have been attacked, ARE under attack and WILL BE ATTACKED unless and until the Muslims see and recognize the al-Qaim and al-Mahdi, come in the year 1260 as promised.

We can't kill them all. We will NEVER submit to their medieval barbarism. They will not stop attacking.

We need a Deus ex Machina... that Muslims recognize as well as Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus and atheists...

302 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:38:49pm

re: #295 BlueCanuck

Morning {LeePro} hows things today?

Very GOOD {Blue}!

How are you?

303 freetoken  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:41:11pm

Now we know the price of an endorsement - 10 big ones....

A deal on debt

In a call with his national finance committee today, Senator Barack Obama asked his top donors to help Senator Hillary Clinton retire $10 million of campaign debt.

"Obama said that if folks are inclined, they ought to give what they could," said a Democrat familiar with the call.

Still sounds a bit half hearted... Anyway, $10M for an endorsement isn't that bad really. What gets me though is the brash mercantilism of it all. Next thing you know they will offer contracts on futures markets for endorsements and fund raising.

304 LeePro  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:45:06pm

What's that smell?

305 yehoshua  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:49:32pm

Sorry, but that Feynman quote leaves me cold . . . and it is part of the "know nothing" philosophy that leads to self-destruction. I would strongly doubt that Feynman was a man of faith, because true knowledge and faith go hand in hand. The only way we will triumph over radical Islam is through a deep knowledge and faith that our cause is just and that our way of life is good. Faith in God, faith in country, faith in doing what is right will pull us through. Our soldiers know what is right and they alone stand between us and the abyss.

306 pat  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:49:57pm

re: #304 LeePro

What's that smell?

I didn't understand it, so let it go.
/I am so slow.:(

307 Cutting Edge  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:54:14pm

re: #32 zombie

You'd think, as a skeptic and an agnostic, I'd like Richard Feynman, as all my fellow skeptics do.

However, I really found him distasteful. I didn't like him at all. He was a good physicist, but to me, a first-class jerk.

Completely sanctimonious and thoroughly egotistical.

Zombie,

I also met Feynman years ago and my assessment was exactly as you described.

I've also met other Nobel Prize winners and there behavior was entirely opposite Feynman's.

I've never understood why people kissed his ass so much.

CE

308 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #304 LeePro

I'm thinking 8 year old and Republican.

309 yehoshua  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:57:13pm

The more I think about this quote, the more shocked I am that it would appear on this site. It sounds like a multi-cultural, everything is relative quote from a wishy-washy fence-sitter. Please, I hope this site is not turning in the wrong direction.

310 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jun 24, 2008 11:58:34pm

re: #302 LeePro

Doing good. A little busy with a whole bunch of stuff. GF is working as a stylist on a T.V. show right now so I am doing a lot of puppy sitting.

311 pat  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:00:30am

re: #310 BlueCanuck

Doing good. A little busy with a whole bunch of stuff. GF is working as a stylist on a T.V. show right now so I am doing a lot of puppy sitting.

Stuck with the dogs while the old lady is working the cameras. Hmmm

312 pat  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:00:54am

nite all.

313 freetoken  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:03:00am

re: #309 yehoshua

Another Feynman quote:

Scientific views end in awe and mystery, lost at the edge in uncertainty, but they appear to be so deep and so impressive that the theory that it is all arranged as a stage for God to watch man's struggle for good and evil seems inadequate.

314 LeePro  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:04:12am

Gotta go!   ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

Eyelids at least an hour past toothpick!

'Nite {Lizards}!

315 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:04:33am

re: #311 pat

Stuck with the dogs while the old lady is working the cameras. Hmmm

It's a rough life, but someone has to do it. It really must suck being her. ;)

316 yehoshua  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:12:32am

re: #313 freetoken

If you interviewed our soldiers in Iraq, I am sure the vast majority believe in God and would proclaim that their faith is of great assistance to them in their daily struggles. Skeptics, atheists, and agnostics are loathe to fix bayonets and fight.

317 Mel Lono  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:16:06am

re: #3 RTLM

Sorry, i'm late to the party.

George Carlin: Stop Saving the Effing Planet!

An interesting take on the Gaia Hypothesis: Essentially, that the earth is one enormous bio-feedback mechanism.

318 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:17:08am

There are no atheists in foxholes.

Everybody in combat prays.

BEEN
TOLD,
R

319 Spiritualized  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:17:51am

'King' getting upset that history is being accurately reported:

"Jordan is Palestine" Plan is Receiving Attention

Jordan is in an uproar over the revival of the "Jordanian option" - the thesis that Jordan is the true home to the "Palestinians." Reports that a top advisor to US Presidential candidate John McCain is promoting this idea have led to a flurry of press reports in the Arab media, as well as a denial from Jordan's King Abdullah himself.

Some officials in Israel and the United States, however, feel it's the only way to prevent the formation of a Palestinian state.

The King responded defensively to the option, declaring in an interview with a Lebanese newspaper last week, “This country was made to stay. Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine."

Guess who also doesn't like the idea? Secretary of State for 'Palestine':

Elon said his plan enjoys the strong support of US Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kansas), "who has been actively promoting it. He spoke to [US Secretary of State] Condoleeza Rice about it, and when she said it has no chance of being accepted by the Arabs, he went to Jordan - and found that the situation was not as simple as she said.

320 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:21:41am

The Obama Plan to "End" the War:

Dunkirk:

Chosin:

Saigon:

SIMPLE
AS
THAT,
R

321 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:29:54am

re: #319 Spiritualized

If McCain himself supports the Jordanian option and receives endorsements like this from Bolton like this,

The former ambassador, often labeled a resolute neo-conservative, said he found McCain's stance on Iran far more realistic than that of the Bush administration.


I may go from reluctant supporter to enthusiastic supporter.

322 RTLM  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:31:30am

re: #317 Mel Lono

Sorry, i'm late to the party.

An interesting take on the Gaia Hypothesis: Essentially, that the earth is one enormous bio-feedback mechanism.

Sort of like a giant ant hill.

(red ones)

323 MirrorField  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:32:48am

re: #305 yehoshua

Sorry, but that Feynman quote leaves me cold . . . and it is part of the "know nothing" philosophy that leads to self-destruction.

I have to disagree. It is the "we know everything worth knowing" philosophy that leads to stagnation (read: death) in every enterprise. If you think you know everything, you become vulnerable to anyone willing to discover and adapt to some interesting tidbit of knowledge which gives them an edge.

The only way we will triumph over radical Islam is through a deep knowledge and faith that our cause is just and that our way of life is good.

Which is exactly what islamists believe in and happens to be wrong. How islam will be defeated will be a combination of superior military and economic power, combined with willingness to change and adapt. The Western way of life is superior precisely because of that adaptability.

Faith in God, faith in country, faith in doing what is right will pull us through. Our soldiers know what is right and they alone stand between us and the abyss.

Which is also exactly what islamists believe in (just replace "country" with "umma") and happens to be wrong. What will pull west through will be superior economics, superior political system, superior technology and tangible, proven knowledge of all these. Which is why Al Qaeda and other terrorists fear westernized Iraq so much: It will illuminate to everyone the aforementioned reasons for weakness and poverty of arab nations. Which is also one of the most important reasons Israel is the shining beacon of middle-east and surrounding arab dictatorships loathe it's very existence (religion just provides handy propaganda for that loathing). It worked against communism and it will work against islamism, only tactics will vary.

324 yehoshua  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:36:52am

Communism was defeated by people of faith such as Solzhenitzyn and Shiransky. Moslem faith supports a cult of death. Our faith supports life. There is a difference.

325 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:40:26am

re: #324 yehoshua

Communism was defeated partly because of American economic growth while the Soviets were at war with Afghanistan, and partly because their governments became too excessively bureaucratic for their own good. It's why their former satellite states are now our newest allies.

326 Render  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:47:55am

US Military: Clash on Afghan-Pakistani border was with Taliban.

"The Pakistani government maintains the US military struck a paramilitary outpost in Mohmand. A Pakistani military spokesman "condemned this completely unprovoked and cowardly act on the post and regretted the loss of precious lives of our soldiers."

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===

Afghan base in Paktika hit with rounds launched from Pakistan.

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===

June 19th.

Nineteen civilians and six Taliban were killed after the Taliban ambushed and looted a convoy in Kurram Pakistan.

June 20th.

Taliban warn Pakistani truckers to stop NATO oil supply.

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]

===

"Yesterday, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said three additional combat brigades are needed to fight the Taliban and train Afghanistan forces."

[Link: www.longwarjournal.org...]

===


Umm...Admiral, how many more convoys are you planning to run through enemy held territory in Pakistan? You're going to need all three of those combat brigades just to keep the supply lines open - for those three brigades.

How about first getting rid of the dead weight foreign units that aren't allowed to fight by their governments?

HOT
SEASON,
R

327 Mel Lono  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 12:48:28am

re: #322 RTLM

Sort of like a giant ant hill.

Don't get the analogy, but appreciate the return. Scenarios in the book depict plankton blooms when C02 levels rise in the ocean, and at the extreme, increased cancer and HIV rates to limit human growth. Yeah, I know.

328 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:01:12am

re: #296 pat

I heard from a life long Republican today that he will vote for Obama because Obama will lower taxes, stop the Muslims from killing us, close the borders, destroy big oil and the drug companies, and pay for his medical needs.
Need I say that Bush's in-eloquence, unwillingness to secure the borders, kiss Saudi ass, inept hiring practices, has cost this nation the it's soul. We are left in the hands of an arrogant, racist fool and discredited mental dwarves. Who wish to deconstruct America .

"... pay for his medical needs"

That's what he's really saying. The rest is camouflage.

329 RTLM  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:06:15am

I'm posting this pic here for later use -

Carbomite Maneuver alien pilot.

(Nasa's Dr. Hansen)


Nite all

330 zombie  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:25:48am

re: #324 yehoshua

re: #325 laZardo

My analysis is that Soviet communism was defeated because we literally bankrupted it. Mainly through the arms race and also through a variety of proxy wars.

The Vietnam War, the Soviet-Afghan War and various smaller conflicts were actually all simply battles in the much larger "Cold" war (that wasn't really that cold) between the USSR and the US. We'd support one side, the Russians would have to support the other. Because capitalism allowed for economic growth in the US, we could afford it; but because their socialist economy necessarily lead to stagnation, the Soviet Union, over time, could no longer afford it. Eventually they just ran out of money and could not hold their empire together. It was sheer random chance that the breakup happened during nthe Bush I presidency -- nothing he did personally (as president at least) led to the downfall. And while Reagan certainly accelerated their bankruptcy by upping the ante in the arms race and in proxy wars, forcing the Soviets to spend massive sums on military funding they could not even begin to afford, Reagan did not singlehandedly bring down the Soviet Union either. It was a cumulative effort over many presidencies.

In this sense, I see the Vietnam War as actually a victory for our side. Because while, after literally decades of trying, the Viet Cong eventually seized power after we left, it cost the Soviets mountains of cash to prop the Viet Cong up that whole time, and in the end their victory was a pyrrhic victory. The Viet Cong won, at a cost of draining the entire Soviet treasury. Which (I can only assume) was the whole point of our involvement in the war in the first place. Then El Salvador, Angola, Star Wars, Afghanistan, stealth technology, on and on -- the Soviets simply bled dry and their military disintegrated. And without the threat of Soviet oppression and invasion, the Warsaw pact crumbled in a couple of weeks -- game, set and match to the US.

331 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:35:42am

re: #330 zombie

That and the Vietnamese ironically were the ones to drive out Pol Pot. Gotta love that Sino-Soviet split.

332 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 1:51:23am

Fruit cup in 10.9.8....

333 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

334 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:00:12am

re: #332 Neo Con since 9-11

Fruit cup in 10.9.8....

May I please have chicken soup, in my fruit cup...I been up and down all night with the flu, and a temp of 101...:(

335 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:02:14am

{Dusty Vet!}

Oy. :-( I hope you feel better!

/throws in some extra Vitamin C and B Complex

336 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:03:10am

re: #333 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

/threw out the ones red tampered with earlier. :)

337 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:03:57am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Thanks for that! ;-)

338 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:12:35am

re: #330 zombie

After waiting more than 20 years to find them, I read two different books on the USS Pueblo incident, which I was flown out of the States in 36 hours to cover in my Army Security Agency capacity... Top Secret and all...

And I agree with Zombie: we bankrupted the Soviet Union, part of that bankrupting being because ONE of the encryption machines captured in the bowels of the USS Pueblo (the ONLY US ship EVER 'captured') was tricked out so that ONE key would always transmit its real value, no matter how they set the code to encrypt...

No matter HOW they transmitted their secrets, WE were breaking them out into plaintext as they sent them!

So the ChiCom and KorCom gloated, and used the machine to send 'at the expense and to the chagrin of the US running-dog imperialists!'

But after 5 years they suspected something, and after 9 years they figured it out and stopped using that 'secure' machine...

In the meantime, the ChiCom AND the Soviet spy networks had been SO SERIOUSLY COMPROMISED, so many operatives were known and so many methods revealed that it would have require in excess of one year's total Gross Domestic Product and a decade or so to rebuild that spy network...

Those USS Pueblo guys DIDN'T know of this, but they were heroes all the more for it!

339 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:30:44am

re: #330 zombie

Very nice analysis, zombie.

BTW, Feynman recounted that for much of his career, he was purposefully "irresponsible." More time that way for science (and other pursuits). He mostly avoided such things as committees, mentoring individual students, writing letters of recommendation, etc. He was involved in reviewing school science textbooks for California for a while, but he just could not cope gracefully with the abundance of errors, stupidity and insanity he kept finding.

340 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:35:50am

Is it feed a dolt and starve a beaver?


Thud (head on keyboard)

341 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:44:48am

re: #340 Dustyvet

Is it feed a dolt and starve a beaver?

Thud (head on keyboard)

QWERTY HEAD!

Take something* to reduce the fever with two glasses of water or some juice and go to bed.

/aspirin, tylenol, whatever...
//Jewish mother mode off

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:49:32am
343 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:53:27am

re: #342 ploome hineni

Nah. They have a better plan. They're buying us.

'Morning, ploooome!

344 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 2:59:09am

re: #1 sadhu

who is the knower?

Who know?

So anyway...

I'm about to start my third day on a temp work assignment.

And I think I shall add a new definition to the New Devil's Dictionary.

Nerd: Someone who at a party will sit down in a corner with a sketchbook and draw a self portrait of himself as a Traveller Character.

For Example, this fellow:

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:03:15am
346 Dustyvet  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:06:47am

CAIR's Traitorous Cop Ally


[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

347 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:06:53am

Now this is an interesting thought:

[Link: freefall.purrsia.com...]

348 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:09:37am

re: #347 The Other Les

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that one this morning. In fact the current story line is pretty thought provoking over all.

349 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:10:33am

re: #330 zombie

Reagan did not singlehandedly bring down the Soviet Union either. It was a cumulative effort over many presidencies.

This particular revision is quite popular among academics. Like the de facto abolition of Lincoln's Birthday and Washington's Birthday in favor of the queasy "Presidents' Day", this historical quarter-truth serves only to erase the distinction between great Presidents and horrible ones, between accomplishment and appeasement.
To be sure, there was a steady pressure maintained a la George Kennan, but containment is not a winner. It's a holding action. Containment exerts as much pressure on the vessel as on the substance, if you don't mind a clumsy metaphor. We had Presidents who gave ground and took ground, sometimes in the same Presidency, and I certainly don't expect anybody to be perfect--even a President. But more credit is due the irresistible energy of our Republican form of government and our Capitalist system of economics than is due to the average president until 1976. Those winning systems are where most of the real pressure came from.
Cumulative, it was not, however. Not in the balance, as we needed to pay even more than the Soviets did for ostensibly comparable military and associated systems, because of our relatively low tolerance for loss. A Soviet system mostly needed to work. An American system needed to work, to assure public safety, and to bring its crew home safely in equal measure. So we could build anything they could, but for a vastly increased cost.
Recall that the Soviets were seen as roughly on par with us going into the Carter administration, and while fears of a "Missile Gap" were more than the actual gap warranted, the Soviets had established a manned space station as early as 1971, had far more submarines and ships than we did, some of which were startlingly powerful (Kirov, Slava, and any of the -12 or -19 shooter subs). The Soviets had an incredible amount of conventional air and ground force poised to bash through the Fulda gap and lay waste to Western Europe in a way that the immense Soviet Union was largely immune to due to simple geography. We had the harder and more expensive job of defense, and much of the technological advantage in military systems which we now take as a given was on the drawing boards at the time.
Enter President Carter, who felt that the morally correct answer was to live and let live, that the privations and depredations of Communism were no worse than freedoms and potential of a Republic. He not only believed that we could not win, he felt that we *should not* win.
And so he pared the military, abandoned our allies, and gave away our nuclear parity to reduce the "instability" of a roughly even match (as usual for men who prefer stability to freedom). President Carter had attempted to settle for a tie in a win-or-lose contest. His preferred method of bringing about peace was to ensure that we could not win and therefore would not fight.
Whatever cumulative effects might have accrued were squandered by the Carter administration. His four years saw allied governments fall to Communists and Islamists, and in the case of Afghanistan, a merely unfriendly government was knocked over (in the name of shoring it up, of course) by our increasingly ascendant adversary. Everywhere you looked, the world had gone either from good to bad or from bad to worse.
Detente was dead, replaced by Soviet expansion. Containment was also dead. We were losing the Cold War, and with the stagflation produced by dubious collectivist economic theories of stewardship (dating back to LBJ in particular, and FDR in general, and revived with a tinker's interest by the Carter Admin), we were losing the economic power which was the only thing that might reverse the otherwise disastrous trend.
With 200 chars left, I'll simply point out that we had no cumulative advantage by 1980--we were screwed. President Reagan and Pope John Paul II brought down the Soviet Union.

350 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:13:56am

Good morning, lizards.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...] Million Pledged at Palestinian Conference

Because the hundreds of millions spent so far has worked out so well.

Donors at an international conference in Berlin have pledged more than $200 million for projects to strengthen the Palestinian Authority's police and legal institutions.

A German official says the commitments of $242 million at the one-day conference Tuesday exceeded expectations. Participants from more than 40 countries had originally hoped to raise at least $184 million to fund such projects as police training and building prisons and courthouses.

International Middle East envoy, Britain's former Prime Minister Tony Blair told the conference Palestinians need to build a judicial system to help establish the infrastructure for a Palestinian state.

On the sidelines of the conference, the Mideast Quartet of international peace brokers met in the German capital Tuesday to call for calm between Israelis and Palestinians. The group urged both sides to fully respect a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, hours after reports surfaced of a Palestinian rocket attack on Israel.

The group expressed hope the truce would endure and lead to improved security for Palestinians and Israelis, as well as a return to "normal civilian life" in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

The Middle East Quartet groups the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations.

Fools and their money are soon parted.

351 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:15:41am

re: #59 DesertSage

Jack Nicholson was great in that movie. I especially liked the diner scene.

Good grief, don't you know "Six Easy Pieces" is the SEQUEL to "Five Easy Pieces," and stars Shia LeBeouf?

352 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:22:12am

Rusty at the Jawa Report links to a report that the ChiComs have demolished a mosque and confiscated all the Korans because the Muslims didn't promote the Olympics. No rioting so far in the Muslim world. Hm, I wonder why. Say Anything has more.

353 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:29:05am

re: #352 godfrey

Excellent. I like the "China just flat doesn’t care what they think and that staging protests won’t make a damn bit of difference?" quote on Say Anything. Good stuff.

354 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:34:13am

re: #353 rightwinger3

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

355 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:34:30am

re: #352 godfrey

Old news. Sort of. Jammiewearingfool posted this on his site on Monday I think. We both posted it in spinoff links for the same day.

356 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:35:09am

re: #355 BlueCanuck

And no thread? I'm surprised.

357 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:35:58am

re: #354 godfrey

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

Christians who haven't been thoroughly pussified, let's hope. Knights Hospitallers type Christians...

358 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:37:45am

re: #354 godfrey

I'm no fan the jackboot ChiCom state. It's clear that Muslims know whom to mess with, and whom to leave alone. They adapt their tactics accordingly. This century will be interesting. Christianity is growing rapidly in China. I wonder what the Muslim world thinks about soon having a few hundred million Chinese Christians on their left flank.

Yeah, I'm with you there. Everything you mention should be very interesting to watch, and see how everything plays out.

359 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:42:49am

re: #357 Tigger2005

That's the big question. Most of those Chinese are young males.

360 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:43:33am

re: #354 godfrey

Given that the Chinese Communists aren't very friendly toward Muslims in their own borders, this should get interesting.

361 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:03am

Have you all seen footage of Hitler singing at a Nazi rally? Or am I way late to this party, too? lol

362 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:26am

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD morning.

363 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:44:30am

re: #359 godfrey

That's the big question. Most of those Chinese are young males.

And most of the Russians just across the border are young females. And China has a shortage of young women. And Russia has a shortage of young men. And China has too many people. And Russia has too much land.

Things will remain very interesting in our lifetimes.

364 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:45:24am

Morning, WM!

365 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:45:59am

re: #363 MajorPribluda

When hasn't it been interesting in history? My belief is that the only time it's going to be boring is right after the time the sun goes nova. :)

/nothing left to worry about.

366 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:46:37am

Morning Writer Mom. How's things today?

/looks to be a beautiful day today.

367 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:46:54am

Just poking my head into the thread. Gotta rustle up some lizard young'uns and hit the road..

368 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:06am

Writermom! I'm about to make breakfast.

369 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:37am

re: #366 BlueCanuck

Good-everything's good. I went to see "You Don't Mess With the Zohan" last night..lol.

370 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:47:55am

re: #368 godfrey

Feeeeeeeeed meeeeee!

371 rightwinger3  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:48:57am

re: #365 BlueCanuck

When hasn't it been interesting in history? My belief is that the only time it's going to be boring is right after the time the sun goes nova. :)

/nothing left to worry about.

Right. And if we don't do something about this now that could happen within the next 15 billion years. I'm cereal.

372 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:17am

re: #361 godfrey

I prefer it in the original English.

373 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:25am

re: #369 WriterMom

Planning on seeing that to. heard nothing but good about.

374 laZardo  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:49:42am

re: #363 MajorPribluda

Talk about your Sino-Soviet split right there.

375 MajorPribluda  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:51:23am

re: #18 Neo Con since 9-11

More madness from the State Department

The U.S. government is considering sending envoys to Iran for the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution to boost contact between the two nations.
The U.S. State Department was considering opening a so-called interests section in Tehran to handle such issues as visa processing and other consular services, Financial Times reported Tuesday.


Looks like it's up to the Israeli to destroy the Iranian reactors because this sounds like we won't


How would you like to try recruiting for that job at State? "Average overseas tour length? 444 days--why do you ask?"

376 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 3:59:19am

re: #375 MajorPribluda

How would you like to try recruiting for that job at State? "Average overseas tour length? 444 days--why do you ask?"

Some of the best spooks work for State?

Nothing else they do makes sense.

377 Stoniebob  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:03:05am

and they just might.

June 21, 2008: U.S. officials revealed that Israel has conducted a large air force exercise (over a hundred F-16s, F15s and support aircraft) that flew way out over the Mediterranean, in what appeared to be a rehearsal for an air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel said nothing about the exercise.

378 Lee Coller  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:10:07am

re: #61 schultzw

So new instead of being the world's "cop" we'll be the world's therapist?

379 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:12:09am

re: #377 Stoniebob

and they just might.

June 21, 2008: U.S. officials revealed that Israel has conducted a large air force exercise (over a hundred F-16s, F15s and support aircraft) that flew way out over the Mediterranean, in what appeared to be a rehearsal for an air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel said nothing about the exercise.


"Like their counterparts in Pakistan, for about a decade U.S. officials kept the existence of this project a secret. The reason, one participant in deliberations told me last year, was straightforward. “So long as Khushab wasn’t public, there was a chance the president could get them to stop it,” he said. “But as soon as the Pakistanis told you it was real, we had no card to play. Once it was out in the open, Pakistan would never back down.”

[Link: www.armscontrolwonk.com...]

380 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:14:09am
381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:20:01am

To know, know, know me
Is to loathe, loathe, loathe me...

382 Tigger2005  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:22:27am

re: #361 godfrey

Have you all seen footage of Hitler singing at a Nazi rally? Or am I way late to this party, too? lol

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

383 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:25:12am

re: #374 laZardo

Back in the day, 1965-68, I was hanging out on various mountain-tops on the NorK DMZ, dealing with NorK commie problems, BUT...

we would occasionally get air-to-ground in Russian simultaneous to air-to-ground in Chinese, as MiG took on MiG in the Sino-Soviet border airspace...

NO love lost between those two, LaZardo, regardless their public smooching!

384 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:25:59am

re: #382 Tigger2005

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

No bollacks, so if they gave them to him - maybe they'd get used for something.

385 Nannette  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:28:08am

American Arab Terrorist Objects to Judge being Jewish

A Lebanese-American who has pleaded guilty to being involved in terrorism asked his judge to disqualify himself because he is Jewish, The Associated Press reported. Fawzi Mustapha Assi, 48, went against the advice of his lawyer and told the court that Judge Gerald E. Rosen is biased because he is Zionist and cannot be impartial.

Judge Rosen rejected the request, saying it was made too late in the case and that the court already "had bent over backwards" to be sure of a fair hearing. Assi was arrested in 1998 when he tried to board a plane to Lebanon with equipment for Hizbullah. He will be sentenced in two months.

386 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:31:08am

re: #385 Nannette

He probably sat smugly all through the 'kangaroo court', thinking he held an ace as his hole card, and was greatly gobsmacked when, upon playing it, he was trumped by American law and logic!

/Haw fletching haw, Bud! YOU made a real Assi out of yourself!

387 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:32:54am

re: #61 schultzw

I've been reminded again this evening about the push by some moonbats to create a Department of Peace in the Exec. Branch. Silly nonsense, if you ask me. What say you fellow lizards?

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]


SOUNDS LIKE THE STATE DEPT TO ME.

388 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:34:30am

Who do you think can deliver the most votes in November?

La Raza and LULAC?

As near as I can tell, John McCain could pretty much give a damn what the conservatives think. He got where he is without much help from conservatives, and may not think he'll be needing much help from conservatives in the future.. McCain may really believe that a big flood of "hispanic" McCainiacs will make up for low turnout among pro-border Republicans. I really don't see that happening, but what do I know?

Or

The Chicago machine?

To start out lets get on with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) smiling his way to the nomination, if only he could shake the pesky associations with the Chicago Mob, its ties to the Democratic Machine and the relationship with one Antoin "Tony" Rezko. It is not everyday that one gets to see a Presidential candidate appear on the witness list of reputed mobster, and we might even get to hear the money exchanges between said mobster, Tony Rezko, Michelle Obama's interest in the neighbor's yard, and a bit of funding coming from the mobster's friend, Nadhmi Auchi, to help pay for the deal so that Mrs. Obama could have some 'gardening space' which would, more or less, include a whole lot next door.

Remember, the Chicago boyz pushed JFK over the top.

389 godfrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:38:29am

re: #387 yochanan

"Peace Studies" professors everywhere are hoping for posts in such a department.

Maybe the idea is just a sop for their support. I can't see how it could possibly work from an organizational pov.

390 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:39:50am

re: #382 Tigger2005

I'll never understand the Hitler mystique or appeal...he looked like such a dweeb. But then I guess the beady eyes, pasty face, pudgy body, bad haircut and funny mustache caused a lot of people not to take him seriously until it was too late.

But...but...but...he was sooooooo eloquent! His speeches were soooooo uplifting! He was for Hooooooppppppeeeee and Channnnnggggeeeee. He made the German volk proud to be German again. He wanted to restore Germany's standing in the world's eyes.

Herr Hitler didn't allow those Germans to continue to drive as much as they wanted, keep their houses at 72 degrees and eat as much as they wanted. No sirree, he fixed that happy crapee.

391 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:40:52am

re: #388 razorbacker

This stinks, grossly.

Backer, elections like this make me want to return Stateside and campaign for election reforms, to include AT LEAST a change on the ballot:

"Obama"

"McCain"

"None of the Above"

***
And if a plurality votes None of the Above, we've got 30 days to field a different set of candidates, with the same option on the bottom!

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:44:23am

re: #379 akak

I love your nic. Keep meaning to tell you.

393 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:45:05am

This morn I was p*ssing and moaning to my wife about the presidential election and I said something like, "This has to be the two crappiest choices in my whole life."

And my wife said, "You've been saying that for years, and next time they always manage come up with someone worse."

Honest you guys, it's a complaint, not a challenge.

394 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:46:39am

re: #391 Karridine

I think the U.S.A's problem is that the politicians running for president spend so much of the time at it, by the time the actual election is done every poor soul is exhausted and fed up. Look at it. Shrillary and Nobama have been campaigning since late 2007. Some of them even earlier. So they are looking at almost a year and a half of campainging. Probably one reason why there is a low turnout for elections.

/give me Canadian elections that at the most last two months.

395 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:46:59am

Bada-bing!

"...complaint, NOT a challenge!" :D

396 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:47:07am

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love your nic. Keep meaning to tell you.

Thanks.

397 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:48:20am

re: #394 BlueCanuck

I think the U.S.A's problem is that the politicians running for president spend so much of the time at it, by the time the actual election is done every poor soul is exhausted and fed up. Look at it. Shrillary and Nobama have been campaigning since late 2007. Some of them even earlier. So they are looking at almost a year and a half of campainging. Probably one reason why there is a low turnout for elections.

/give me Canadian elections that at the most last two months.

You make a good point. But with a two month cycle it would be POTUS Obama in a landslide. At least this way we get to have a bit of buyer's remorse set in before actually voting.

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:48:59am

re: #397 razorbacker

Takes a loooooooooooooooong time to vet candidates.

399 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:49:26am

re: #394 BlueCanuck

Roger THAT!

And I noted that Hillary, Nobama and McShane ALL missed several votes in Congress recently...

For Nobama, he'd just vote "Present!" but Shrillary and McCain MIGHT have voted for or against something... you know, Change? make a difference? Give us hope?

400 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:05am

re: #397 razorbacker

Maybe. But then again would Nobama probably wouldn't have been in position to be POTUS due to a little less exposure on the trail.

401 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:11am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whyzzat?

402 akak  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:50:16am

re: #398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Takes a loooooooooooooooong time to vet candidates.


Sarah Palin for POTUS & McCain for VP

403 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:51:07am

re: #402 akak

Oooh! Sign ME up! Yes for THAT!

404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:53:13am

re: #401 Karridine

For the public to at least have some idea who the candidate is. Otherwise, we're just going to see what the consultants want us to see. No time for slip-ups.

"But with a two month cycle it would be POTUS Obama in a landslide."


...Razorbacker

405 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:53:37am

Morning Lizards.

Kiss goodbye to your sales, Stonewall tells 'homophobic' Heinz after advert is pulled

Gay rights supporters have been urged to boycott Heinz products, after the company dropped a mayonnaise advertisement that showed two men kissing.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:54:16am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Ewwwwwww! For mayo? What were they thinking?

407 TimeQuake  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:55:45am

...

408 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:56:12am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Maybe. But then again would Nobama probably wouldn't have been in position to be POTUS due to a little less exposure on the trail.

Obama is one of those guys that, them closer you look, the more you see that makes you go Naaaaaah.

It's like only being able to afford one car, and buying a full-on racer. Cool at first, then you notice you can't carry your groceries home, it's painfully loud, there's no place for your sweetie to ride and the mileage sucks.

409 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:56:15am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

So "10%" of the population is going to bring down Heinz?

/talk about delusions of grandeur.

410 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 4:58:04am

re: #408 razorbacker

using the same analogy, and the orginal sticker price was way more than you thought you could afford.

411 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:00:51am

re: #404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hmmm.... y'know, I think you're right... but in the wake of an active contest that has HAD discussion, and suggestions, we should be able to come up with somebody a lot faster than 6 months to a year!

Again, I see the wisdom in taking a bit longer to consider candidates AND subject them to a public scrutiny, Fat Blessed Veterinarian.

412 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:01:43am

re: #344 The Other Les

Who know?

So anyway...

I'm about to start my third day on a temp work assignment.

And I think I shall add a new definition to the New Devil's Dictionary.

Nerd: Someone who at a party will sit down in a corner with a sketchbook and draw a self portrait of himself as a Traveller Character.

For Example, this fellow:

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

ayn rand G-D is dead
G-D AYN RAND IS DEAD

413 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:03:21am

Crowded wards 'add to patient infection risks'

In England, the number of hospital beds has been cut by more than 25 per cent since 1981, from more than 200,000 to fewer than 140,000, but patient numbers have soared.

/Universal health care at its finest

414 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:04:06am

re: #410 BlueCanuck

using the same analogy, and the orginal sticker price was way more than you thought you could afford.

My Daddy always claimed that the road to ruin for a working man was too-easy credit. He was more of a pay-as-you-go type.

Chapped me no end as a child. But on his death I was able to go around town and pay off his outstanding bills out of my wallet.

And I don't carry much cash.

415 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:04:43am

re: #414 razorbacker

And that is pure wisdom.

416 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:06:14am

re: #414 razorbacker

Smart Dad.

/caring son...

417 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:07:16am

re: #402 akak

Sarah Palin for POTUS & McCain for VP

SARAH PALIN IS A MILF
at least when you get screwed by her (as all politicans tend to do) you might like it

JUST KIDDING TAG

418 Karridine  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:08:50am

re: #417 yochanan

Mighty
Intelligent
Lovely
Filly, eh?

419 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:10:01am

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

Kiss goodbye to your sales, Stonewall tells 'homophobic' Heinz after advert is pulled

Gay rights supporters have been urged to boycott Heinz products, after the company dropped a mayonnaise advertisement that showed two men kissing.

WHAT NO MAYO WITH THE SAUSAGE?

420 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:11:28am

re: #418 Karridine


There is a muslim terrorist group called the M.I.L.F. i bet they aren't happy if they ever google there groups name.

421 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:13:29am

Good morning Lizards............

422 yochanan  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:14:09am

bokar tov dorian

423 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 25, 2008 5:15:13am

re: #422 yochanan

bokar tov dorian

Shalom yochanan..