Strained? It's been f'ing broken.

I remember it used to be Hamas breaking Fatah's truces. Now, it's Fatah breaking Hamas' truces.

Hmm. I'm starting to get a little suspicious. It might be that these people don't want peace after all.

Al-Aqsa, islamic Jihad- why don't we just say "Pali terrorist"

Israel can't win this one, either. No matter what happens, they are wrong. Aha: the Israelis breathe, they have violated the truce...etc.

Sources in the Gaza Strip believe that the firing was meant to embarrass Hamas and to harm the ceasefire efforts.

Sources in sane lands believe that the firing was meant to kill Jews.

Closure?

re: #2 Pastorius

I remember it used to be Hamas breaking Fatah's truces. Now, it's Fatah breaking Hamas' truces.

Hmm. I'm starting to get a little suspicious. It might be that these people don't want peace after all.

Yeah, funny that.

"Truce"?

/you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

re: #2 Pastorius

I remember it used to be Hamas breaking Fatah's truces. Now, it's Fatah breaking Hamas' truces.

Hmm. I'm starting to get a little suspicious. It might be that these people don't want peace after all.

Ya' think?

and yet they are blaming israel because they won't open up the crossing points.

infuriating. the truce still holds while they're firing rockets but the second israel undertakes a rescue mission for gilad shalit [which they should and won't, and it's been 2 years, and i'm sure it's not feasible but that's just another frustration], the truce will be "shattered" by the zionist oppressors.

global ideological whiplash.

The truce isn't broken till the Israelis fire back. We all know this game by now.

Kragar doctrine time now.

Oh, I get it - it's Israel's fault, for closing the border crossings.

Screw you, al-Reuters.

re: #2 Pastorius

I remember it used to be Hamas breaking Fatah's truces. Now, it's Fatah breaking Hamas' truces.

Hmm. I'm starting to get a little suspicious. It might be that these people don't want peace after all.

How dare you? You must be a tool of the Zionist conspiracy. No doubt you get a Zionist paycheck!

It won't be broken until Israel retaliates.

The palis are like little kids. One keeps throwing things at his brother; when the brother slaps him back, the first one yells "Mommy, he hit me!"
And the UN is the enabling excuse for a parent. (Since the UN has a special "refugee agency" for the palis, they really are acting as a parent.)

Still a truce? The Palis must be expecting another shipment of arms.

Would the Main Stream Media please stop lying to us?

Is that too much to ask?

To Hamas truce = FIRE

Rockets being fired into civilian centers certainly tend to "strain" cease fires.

it's sorta like Good Cop, Bad Cop, Bad Jew

re: #16 The Other Les

Would the Main Stream Media please stop lying to us?

Is that too much to ask?

/It's not lying because they repeat it so often.

Strained Credulity

re: #20 Golem Akbar

/It's not lying because they repeat it so often.

If it's not true then it's a lie no matter how many times they repeat it.

Prunes are strained.

re: #22 The Other Les

If it's not true then it's a lie no matter how many times they repeat it.

But it is still believed as true...

This reminds me of when World War II strained Chamberlain's Peace in Our Time.

At this point, Israel should say clearly "No negotiation with Hamas. They don't keep their word. Palis, replace them or we will."
A week later, clean up the place. All Hamas leaders are killed or arrested and charged with war crimes.
Start with a warning - all civilians are to leave. Anyone trying to leave with weapons will be considered a terrorist.
Put up checkpoints, with cameras and remote sensing. blast-resistant.
Person gets scanned for weapons, door opens. Inside, if there were weapons, a trap toor opens. Anyone without weapons goes out another door.
After everyone who comes out is processed, the IDF goes in and anything that moves gets shot. Or maybe save Israeli lives and flatten the place. Then let them back, ONCE. If they get another terrorist government, they're gone. Drop them in Sinai or Jordan.

Let's not forget who claims credit for this attack. Fatah's al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. The so-called moderate terrorists.

re: #24 Golem Akbar

But it is still believed as true...

Only by morons.

re: #25 Diamond Bullet

This reminds me of when World War II strained Chamberlain's Peace inFor Our Time.

There you go.

re: #27 lawhawk

Let's not forget who claims credit for this attack. Fatah's al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. The so-called moderate terrorists.

Yeah, Fatah are the Good Guys according to the State Dept.

re: #25 Diamond Bullet

I thought Pat Buchanan recently proved that it was the British who (con)strained Hitler, and so Hitler was forced to go to war.

/

The remake of Andromeda Strain sucked

The quality of rockets is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from Gaza

re: #31 WriterMom

I thought Pat Buchanan recently proved that it was the British who (con)strained Hitler, and so Hitler was forced to go to war.

/

Its always the defender's fault that a war occurs. If you simply give in to an agressors every demand, then there would never be any conflict.

re: #28 The Other Les

Only by morons.

And the mentally lazy.

I'm starting to think that "cease fire" means something different there than it does in English.

There are three elements to the solution. Two are easy.

We can make plenty of stakes, and plenty of rope, ... but given the sheer numbers of these murderous buggers, we have an acute shortage of anthills.

I'm relieved to find out this morning that the SCOTUS is going to allow me (come and try to take take them, m'fers) to keep my guns. I think I'm going to need them.

re: #36 dachew

I'm starting to think that "cease fire" means something different there than it does in English.

Try this.

re: #36 dachew

I'm starting to think that "cease fire" means something different there than it does in English.

Hudna.

re: #2 Pastorius

I remember it used to be Hamas breaking Fatah's truces. Now, it's Fatah breaking Hamas' truces.

Hmm. I'm starting to get a little suspicious. It might be that these people don't want peace after all.

That can't be. Islam, after all, is a peaceful religion.

Ceasefire = rearm, reload.

Hamas saying it cannot/will not police any other group but their own when it comes to keeping the peace is like if LAPD said the Crips and Bloods the 18th Street gangs can all have at it.
Either you are the law of the land or you are not.
Hamas is trying to have it both ways.
What did Al Gore say? "There is no legal controlling authority....."

Wire Services:

"Several pieces of Palestinian defensive equipment were destroyed today when property put in place by the Israelis slammed into the oncoming devices. Witnesses said the rocket propelled devices commonly used to defend Palestinian babies against Jewish aggression exploded on contact with the buildings allegedly occupied by "Israeli" "school children". The devices were said to be totally destroyed by the buildings, a conclusion further confirmed by examination of pieces of the devices that were surgically removed from witnesses to the incident."

re: #41 Ford_Prefect

That can't be. Islam, after all, is a peaceful POS religion cult.

more better.

re: #27 lawhawk

Let's not forget who claims credit for this attack. Fatah's al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. The so-called moderate terrorists.

You are soooo confused. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is the militant wing of the moderate Fatah. Can't you keep your wings straight?!

re: #44 docremulac

Wire Services:

"Several pieces of Palestinian defensive equipment were destroyed today when property put in place by the Israelis slammed into the oncoming devices. Witnesses said the rocket propelled devices commonly used to defend Palestinian babies against Jewish aggression exploded on contact with the buildings allegedly occupied by "Israeli" "school children". The devices were said to be totally destroyed by the buildings, a conclusion further confirmed by examination of pieces of the devices that were surgically removed from witnesses to the incident."

Right. And I repeat: Israelis breathe [the air that we Palestinians need to stay alive].

re: #46 jamgarr

You are soooo confused. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is the militant wing of the moderate Fatah. Can't you keep your wings straight?!

"Its the People's Front of Judea! Or is it the Judean People's Front?"

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, Fatah are the Good Guys according to the State Dept.

The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Its the People's Front of Judea! Or is it the Judean People's Front?"

Did he say "Blessed are the cheesemakers"?

Oddly enough, liberals don't questions these peoples' right to bear rockets.

This from the mind's of the world's top ten intellectuals WriterMom linked.

Hamas can no more renounce the missiles than it can renounce its own grandmother.

Hey Charles, here on IE6 the typing is sloooooow again in this here comments textbox. I know you've fixed this six times, but it appears to have gotten broken for a seventh.

re: #43 mean Gene

Hamas saying it cannot/will not police any other group but their own when it comes to keeping the peace is like if LAPD said the Crips and Bloods the 18th Street gangs can all have at it.
Either you are the law of the land or you are not.
Hamas is trying to have it both ways.
What did Al Gore say? "There is no legal controlling authority....."

So the Israelis should say, if you cannot enforce a truce, you aren't worth negotiating with. If there is no authority capable of enforcing a truce, we come back in.

I thought that the current rockets were just Gaza High School graduates finishing up their final exams.

#33 The quality of rockets is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from Gaza

This is memorable. Kenneth, are you versed in copyright law?

Truce STRAINED by rocket fire?

I reject reality and substitute my own!

New definition of embedded.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Boker effen Tov.

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that the current rockets were just Gaza High School graduates finishing up their final exams.

They were trying out for Master Blasters.

re: #43 mean Gene

Hamas saying it cannot/will not police any other group but their own when it comes to keeping the peace is like if LAPD said the Crips and Bloods the 18th Street gangs can all have at it.

That would be the Daryl Gates policy, he was the police chief during the 1992 Rodney King riots, and that's pretty much what he said and did.

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

I thought that the current rockets were just Gaza High School graduates finishing up their final exams.

Well, they are taught all their lives to kill Jews. What else would the final be on?
(The elective course in homicide bombing really does involve a final exam.)

Believe me, when Israel responds, they'll be screaming that the truce is over.

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

So the Israelis should say, if you cannot enforce a truce, you aren't worth negotiating with. If there is no authority capable of enforcing a truce, we come back in.

Kind of what happened when Israel (under Sharon) left Gaza. The Palis weren't serious about negotiating, and Israel just up and left. With no agreements to break.

I was against it only as far as it didn't hold the Pali-Gazans to any kind of agreement, quid pro quo. Hamas has not broken their promises, since they've haven't made any.

re: #42 VegasRick

Ceasefire = rearm, reload.

Precisely. The Palestinians have never been decisively defeated (as were Jordan and Egypt). They'll have to be hammered into the ground.

[Link: blogs.indystar.com...]

You can not blame the Press here.

They are playing the same game that the pathetic, disgusting, [edited to not be banned], Israeli Government is playing. Pretend.

The same Israeli Government that while presented with daily proof that any deals with the barbarians enemy is worthless, continue on the "Peace Process" of conceding to Abbas, to Syria, to Hizbollah.

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Precisely. The Palestinians have never been decisively defeated (as were Jordan and Egypt). They'll have to be hammered into the ground.

And, since Hamas and Israel have not formally agreed to any kind of treaty, Israel may, at some point, just move back in.

Jihadis, Hezbollah
Life goes on...bra
La la, how the life goes on.

re: #62 Ben Hur

Believe me, when Israel responds, they'll be screaming that the truce is over.

95% of the article decrying the Israeli attack, with a minor footnote in the last paragraph stating "in response to rockets fired from Gaza".

Got to have that journalistic integrity in there.

[Link: i55.photobucket.com...]

The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Fatah’s military wing

Where American tax dollars are really put to use.

Thanks George. Thanks Condi.

15 Years Ago Today-- Bill Clinton Tomahawks Saddam Hussein

And don't you forget, before he bombed, he went to all our Arab allies, etc, to "build a coalition" - that new LLL requirement for any action - and, unlike with Bush Sr, THEY ALL SAID NO, and he did it unilaterally.

To the "INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY" (read Anti Israeli/ Anti West left leaning loons) what "CEASE FIRE" means is that Israel must CEASE FIRE(ing back) !

re: #71 Opinionated

Where American tax dollars are really put to use.

Thanks George. Thanks Condi.

It should say the Palestinian Authority.

Mentioning Fatah is their smokescreen.

re: #57 jill e

Truce STRAINED by rocket fire?

Hamas' diet is strained...figs and dates

re: #46 jamgarr

You are soooo confused. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is the militant wing of the moderate Fatah. Can't you keep your wings straight?!

My favorite wing;
"Brothers united in arms to defend the cult of islime against the oppressors of Zion and the greedy amerikans and their dirty people who support da jooossss and kill poor phakestani mindless brainwashed murderers for the sake of our false and phony prophet who was a murdering, pedophile, scumbag, goat fucker, POS to defend our muslime right to kill anybody, maim our own women and children ("it's in the book, allahdammit!") so we can maintain a disgusting likeness of the 7th century barbarians that we are and continue to kill, rape, lie, seethe, and any other disgusting thing that we can think of in the holey name of our shitty cult"

re: #66 Opinionated

They are playing the same game that the pathetic, disgusting, [edited to not be banned], Israeli Government is playing. Pretend

Is there a point to all this pretending? Perhaps prioritizing threats?
Iran is the worst, so concentrate on dealing with them and avoid other conflict to the point of pretending.

It is time to end the duplicity with one faction of Gazans playing victims and others playing with rockets. Carpet bomb and let the survivors decide how they want to live from that point.

...The Hudaybiyya Treaty allowed Muhammad and the Muslims to strengthen their ranks without needing to worry about a confrontation with the Quraysh tribe. After only two years (630 CE) the Muslims annulled the agreement and conquered Mecca. This agreement has since been exploited more than once by radical Muslim organizations that seek to justify the annulment of agreements signed with those characterized as "enemies".

Says a lot and this is from a Muslim web page

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I think that is something which is totally lost in western society now.

The idea of beating your enemy so bad, they either die or submit has been since the dawn of time.

Some may disagree, but when is enough?

When does it reach the final straw, and Israel, or any country in that matter, under constant attack, have the right to eliminate such threat, to the point is no longer a threat?

I might sound like a war monger, but I think Israel needs to get in the mode of fighting like she was before, and just unleash hell on the enemy.

Its not like the U.N. is actually doing anything in their favor for playing by the rules now as it is.

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

We love Achmed!
/'Silence! I keel you!'

re: #60 itellu3times

That would be the Daryl Gates policy, he was the police chief during the 1992 Rodney King riots, and that's pretty much what he said and did.

Exactly.
And afterwards he was gone.
And during, we had to call in the National Guard.
We personally walked our own perimeter with our guns plainly in view.
Day and night in shifts along with all our neighbors who had guns (I wasn't lending one out to anyone!)
I remember being in a convertible at a red light when the case was decided.
The man in the car next to mine opened his window and informed me I should probably get home quick!
I stocked up on supplies quickly and got home.
Hubby came home at dusk and the animals were already out; trying to block off freeway exits so as to loot drivers like him.
He muscled his way through even coming quite close to touching some of them. No way was he slowing down!

re: #71 Opinionated

Where American tax dollars are really put to use.

Thanks George. Thanks Condi.

George bought into the premise of the ROP.
Condi bought into a comparison between the 'Palestinians' and the civil right movement.

It's such a disappointment.

re: #74 Ben Hur

It should say the Palestinian Authority.

Mentioning Fatah is their smokescreen.

So much of American foreign aid to third world assholes goes to waste, doesn't it make you feel good that American aid to "Palestinian" terrorists is well used.

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

So the Israelis should say, if you cannot enforce a truce, you aren't worth negotiating with. If there is no authority capable of enforcing a truce, we come back in.

That would be logical.
Are the Israeli's led by logical men?

OT

Mexico invasion on US soil? Perhaps we should raid a few casa's across the border...black helicopters and special forces vs drug cartels.

Spencer said a police officer told him that one of the men captured said they were completely prepared to ambush Phoenix police, but ran out of ammunition.

[Link: kfyi.com...]

The retaliation should take place in Tehran, or else your just chasing water up a hill.

The Sarcone's hoagie and the cone of Bassett's did not show up so I need to get myself some lunch.

re: #80 formercorpsman

We had to do it to the Japanese (more precisely, to the Japanese ARMY.)

There are certain similarities.

Really, why even waste time thinking up whole new names for these groups. Just change the name Hamas to Hamaa and say, "The truce was with Hamas, so it no longer applies to us." Then, just go through the alphabet ... Hamab, Hamac, Hamad, and so on.

The world and the media would go right along with it. Yes, they're that stupid.

re: #83 debutaunt

George bought into the premise of the ROP.
Condi bought into a comparison between the 'Palestinians' and the civil right movement.

It's such a disappointment.

Ok. Even stupid people are allowed a mistake or two.

So what now with the American funded, and trained, and supported, Fatah firing at Israel?

Have you heard George or Condi say that such funding and aiding and supporting Islamic terrorists is going to end?

I've gotta get outta here. Expecting a critical phone call. Bye, all.

re: #62 Ben Hur

Believe me, when Israel responds, they'll be screaming that the truce is over.

When Israel responds they will unleash such fury .......on an an empty shack somewhere is Gaza that's going to just be devastating.

Then they will rush in aid and fuel.

re: #89 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Actually, major point you made.

Shintoism, (and some chemical additives) were catalysts for Kamikaze suicides bombers. (Blaring similarities here) In addition, providing the Emperor with healthy revenues.

MacArthur disestablished Shinto as the religion of State in postwar Japan. No apologies either.

re: #91 Opinionated

Ok. Even stupid people are allowed a mistake or two.

So what now with the American funded, and trained, and supported, Fatah firing at Israel?

Have you heard George or Condi say that such funding and aiding and supporting Islamic terrorists is going to end?

They aren't stupid people. They are deluded during very dangerous times.

re: #93 Opinionated

When Israel responds they will unleash such fury .......on an an empty shack somewhere is Gaza that's going to just be devastating.

Then they will rush in aid and fuel.

No, the Palis will have put a child in the shack, so they can say the Israelis killed him. Never mind the rocket launchers outside the shack.

re: #95 debutaunt

They aren't stupid people. They are deluded during very dangerous times.

Comparing the barbarians to the Civil Rights movement is more then being delusional.

Rice would be delusional if she thinks she remembers when Martin Luther King fired a rocket at Selma, otherwise the comparison is stupid, idiotic, malicious even.

And Bush overstepped delusional long ago.

Israelis aren't going to respond. Therein lies the problem. Olmert somehow managed to pull political survival out of his ass again this week.

re: #64 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Precisely. The Palestinians have never been decisively defeated (as were Jordan and Egypt). They'll have to be hammered into the ground.

There is nothing to decisively defeat. They just up and run, then scream that the scary evil joos stole their homes.

'Truce is strained by rocket fire' is about as accurate as my saying my diet was strained by eating hot fudge sundaes and banana splits every day.

re: #98 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Israelis aren't going to respond. Therein lies the problem. Olmert somehow managed to pull political survival out of his ass again this week.

It's really quite mind boggling. I almost wish I could be as slippery as him. Nothing bad would ever stick to me.

re: #101 rlevitin

It's really quite mind boggling. I almost wish I could be as slippery as him. Nothing bad would ever stick to me.

Olmert is but a symptom. The disease is Kadima, Labor, Shas, the Media, and the Supreme Court. And others.

re: #97 Opinionated

Comparing the barbarians to the Civil Rights movement is more then being delusional.

Rice would be delusional if she thinks she remembers when Martin Luther King fired a rocket at Selma, otherwise the comparison is stupid, idiotic, malicious even.

And Bush overstepped delusional long ago.

I agree with you. Condi grew up in Birmingham when it was called 'bombingham'.

I wonder what Ariel Sharon thinks of the Gaza 'disengagement' now.

The retreat from Gaza he pushed thru, which ran 180 degrees counter to his election platform. The retreat he conceived of and implemted to stop the leftist Istaeli judiciary from indicting him on financila irregularities his son subsequently served jail time for.

Ariel, what do you say?

Was it worth it?

Did it work out well?

No answer. Sigh.

re: #74 Ben Hur

It should say the Palestinian Authority.

Mentioning Fatah is their smokescreen.

You can add Palestinian Authority to George Carlin's list of oxymorons (Jumbo Shrimp, Military Intelligence, etc.).

re: #104 Maine's Michael

I wonder what Ariel Sharon thinks of the Gaza 'disengagement' now.

The retreat from Gaza he pushed thru, which ran 180 degrees counter to his election platform. The retreat he conceived of and implemted to stop the leftist Istaeli judiciary from indicting him on financila irregularities his son subsequently served jail time for.

Ariel, what do you say?

Was it worth it?

Did it work out well?

No answer. Sigh.

By the time of the Disengagement Sharon was probably already brain-damaged. For as long as two years before that I was saying he was acting like someone having small brain-strokes -- the kind that do not have physical effects but impair logical thinking. As a very obese man with a choleric temper he was just the type for it.

But surely his associates around him should have been able to see the symptoms. Maybe they did, but had their own purposes for going along with his literally crazy doings.

Hamas calls a cease fire and the people they have been working closer with the FATAH/PLO/PA/Mahmood Abbas/Abu Mazen "moderates" pick up the slack?

Ahhhh we now can see the bringing together of Hamas and Fatah that Condi and Bush have been working so closely on.

~I posted yesterday a link/article where Hamas stated they were fully committed to the cease fire but would not be taking any steps to stop "militants" from attacking Israel.

Way to go Olmert!

re: #106 Clio

I don't think it was dementia that led him to the whole disengagement plan. I think it was a combination, as Maine's Michael suggested-of diverting attention away from his scummy dealings and his son's scummy dealings. He got the media's fawning approval and tacit agreement to bury the story about his financial stuff in exchange for their hechsher of the Israeli media to keep it under wrap and the susequent 'etrog' treatment.

re: #106 Clio

Sharon was probably already brain-damaged. For as long as two years before that I was saying he was acting like someone having small brain-strokes --

Too bad the brain dead who voted for Olmert and Kadima don't have a similar medical excuse.

re: #80 formercorpsman

I think you do sound like a war monger.

And I like it.

Hubba hubba!

In case you wondered how the NY Times (using Reuters)is reporting this rocket attack on Israel- here is the headline:

Israel Keeps Gaza Crossings Closed for Second Day

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #111 Opinionated

In case you wondered how the NY Times (using Reuters)is reporting this rocket attack on Israel- here is the headline:

Israel Keeps Gaza Crossings Closed for Second Day

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Who
What
Where
When
WTF?

re: #112 debutaunt
well, of course, because it is Israel's fault- several people here pointed that out. Israeli buildings have destroyed Pali rockets- when the rockets hit the buildings. Just because the Hamas charter demands the destruction of Israel- Israel still has to help Gaza which Hamas terrorizes- I mean, governs.

How can it be a truce when one side doesn't abide by it?

re: #114 sadatoni

How can it be a truce when one side doesn't abide by it?

I've got really bad news for you. With questions like that you will never be an Israeli politician, a diplomat anywhere or work in the press or media.

You just know that when Israel defends itself from these rocket attacks the "Truce" will be over.

re: #114 sadatoni

How can it be a truce when one side doesn't abide by it?

Go to your room and write a headline.

Spinning and leaving out necessary facts is par-for-the-course for the MSM.

Such as this article where they discuss the injuried "protestors" at a "anti-Wall" protest.

From reading the article you learn that innocent Phakestinians came out to protest against the Apartheid wall that is stealing their land, and the evil IDF just began shooting at them.

BUT.....when you go to non MSM sources you find tha these "protestors" were attacking the IDF, physically destroying Israeli property, ripping down portions of the Anti-Terrorism fence, etc., and only after being asked numerous times to leave and stop did the IDF resort to rubber bullets and tear gas.

re: #110 WriterMom

Sorry I missed your post.</