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Obama Throws Fairness Doctrine Under the Bus

Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:26:03 am PDT

Barack Obama says he does not support the return of the Fairness Doctrine.

There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the Fairness Doctrine, but one very important one does not: presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama.

The Illinois senator’s top aide said the issue continues to be used as a distraction from more pressing media business.

“Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,” press secretary Michael Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday.

Whew! Good thing Barack Obama has the reputation of always standing by his decisions and keeping his word.

cough

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1 Dianna  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:27:26am

He's got months to say something else.

2 yesandno  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:27:36am

has he changed his mind yet.............

how about now?

3 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:27:37am

Well now, I now agree with him on one important point. My liberal friends' heads will explode over this.

4 psyop  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:27:46am

Holy Crap!

Something Obama and I agree on.

There was bound to be something.

5 pegcity  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:28:22am

has he changed his mind yet?

how bout now?

6 bosforus  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:28:31am

This changes nothing.

7 psyop  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #2 yesandno

has he changed his mind yet.............

how about now?

LOL....

As soon as enough pressure is put on him, he will change.

CHANGE!

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:28:52am

Are the koslings crying yet?

9 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:28:54am

Israel has a fairness doctrine but only during election campaigns.

Each candidate or their supporters must be given equal time, even on interview shows, but only during elections.

10 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:29:55am
“Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,” press secretary Michael Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday.

Pardon me, but the Senator has been a lying sack of shit for quite some time now.

11 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:31:17am

For some reason I don't trust him here.....

12 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:31:29am

He was for it before he was against it.

/Next up- he'll waffle.

13 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:31:40am

His word is worth - what exactly?

14 mj  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:31:44am

Why would he support it? It might mean that the press would have to give equal time to McCain!

15 RTLM  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:31:48am

Clarification countown....

16 mbruce  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:32:06am

He will lie his way into the WH only to be collared by Pelosi and her minions, or worse.
Don't trust him for a second on ANYTHING!

17 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:32:42am

Who could be against fairness?

18 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:32:51am

He probably doesn't realize that re-imposing it would (allegedly) help Liberals get their bankrupt opinions back on commercial radio. Once he does, he'll throw throwing the Fairness Doctrine under the bus, under the bus.

Obama reminds me of the Ourorboros, constantly eating his own tail.

19 turn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:32:57am

And Pelosi will come out and condemn his position in 5, 4, 3 ...

Not!

20 ointmentfly  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:33:08am

The fairness doctrine would cripple his position seated opon the the puckered lips of the mainstream press...

21 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:33:20am
22 calvin coolidge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:33:27am

Yeah, but once he gets your vote.......CHANGE!

23 psyop  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:33:29am

re: #15 RTLM

Clarification countown....

Oh, is THAT was they are...

I always thought he was outright changing his position. I feel alot better knowing he is just clarifying his statement.

24 alegrias  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:34:00am

Al Franken, failed former comedian of failed, bankrupt AirAmerica begs to differ. And Al Franken is running for Senator of Minnesota to remove the Failure option from the (Anti)Fairness doctrine.

25 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:34:19am

Wait until tomorrow, when he gives an interview on CNN, and "clarifies" his position.

26 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:34:25am

He doesn't support the fairness doctrine, but what kind of judges, officials, and cronies to fill all kinds of government positions would he want? The same kind that would have no problem finding that the fairness doctrine is needed, warranted, and legal.

The same thing with the Kennedy v. LA case yesterday. He didn't like the outcome because it was simply outrageous. However, he wants to get more judges like those who ruled against a state imposing such a penalty for child rape.

You cannot trust what this guy has to say about anything, and he will throw anyone under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

27 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #24 alegrias

Al is behind in the polls.

28 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:35:03am

January 20th, 2009,, President B H Obama

"oh ,,,,, THAT 'Fairness Doctrine'. I didn't know thats the one they were talking about. Of COURSE I'm all for it. Give me the bill Nancy, I'll gladly sign it! "

/my nightmare

29 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:36:06am

re: #26 lawhawk

You cannot trust what this guy has to say about anything, and he will throw anyone under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

That is so cynical. And true.

30 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:36:46am

Sure.......just let someone else do it. We are at the wink and nod stage of the Obama campaign.

31 bosforus  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #25 Golem Akbar

Wait until tomorrow, when he gives an interview on CNN, and "clarifies" his position.

The Democratic puppet is out of control! Quick, someone reattach the strings!

32 mean Gene  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:37:16am

re: #9 Ben Hur

Israel has a fairness doctrine but only during election campaigns.

Each candidate or their supporters must be given equal time, even on interview shows, but only during elections.

But America is in a perpetual election......so.....


(Has he changed his mind yet?

How about now?)

33 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:37:28am

re: #14 mj

Why would he support it? It might mean that the press would have to give equal time to McCain!

Ha!
The Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to the MSM because they are only delivering news, not commentary. That's right! Call all that biased clap-trap "news" and you're off the hook.

*spit

34 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #27 Sharmuta

Al is behind in the polls.

He has a fallback position as a crappy comedian.

35 BuddyG  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:38:22am
36 alegrias  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:38:28am

re: #27 Sharmuta

Al is behind in the polls.

* * *
Sharmuta, may Al Franken FAIL & fall behind all the way to election time.

His great opponent Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) actually stood up to the UN and debated Scottish "Gorgeous George" the repugnant Hezbollan member of Britain's parliament & friend of Saddam Hussein who took Oil for Food chits.

Franken is a worm compared to noble Norm Coleman.

37 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:38:48am

re: #34 debutaunt

He has a fallback position as a crappy comedian human being .

fixed

38 BGOH  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:38:54am

I'll believe that when me s**t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet...

39 BignJames  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:39:08am

I'd love to see Nancy Pelosi grab him by the ear and scold him.

40 turn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:06am

re: #33 wolfie

Ha!
The Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to the MSM because they are only delivering news, not commentary. That's right! Call all that biased clap-trap "news" and you're off the hook.

*spit

Maybe Rush should start framing his show as a "news" broadcast. I'm sure he could come up with a funny slant to that.

41 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #33 wolfie

Ha!
The Fairness Doctrine doesn't apply to the MSM because they are only delivering news, not commentary. That's right! Call all that biased clap-trap "news" and you're off the hook.

*spit

OK, then Rush Limbaugh is reclassified as a news program on par with Meet The Press.

Now let's see what the moonbats have to say.

42 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:20am

re: #40 turn

GMTA.

43 shibumi  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:21am

Barack Obama:

Everything to everyone at every time.

Disagree with one of his opinions? Don't worry. He'll eventually come around and agree with you.

Change of opinion you can believe in!

44 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:33am

re: #18 Diamond Bullet

They don't care about getting their views on radio. They already have NPR, which is the only viable left-wing radio outlet (precisely because WE are forced to subsidize it.)
All they want is to get conservatives off the radio.
They want to silence us. That's all.

45 turn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:35am

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

GMTA

47 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:40:42am

The real fairness doctrine is the 1st amendment.

48 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:41:20am

OT:

I just posted this in the spinoffs...

The historic Move America Forward "From the Frontlines" webathon will be broadcast LIVE today from 4 PM to Midnight EST...

Melanie Morgan and Michelle Malkin will be anchoring a livestreamed, 8-hour fund-raising “web-a-thon” to send the largest number of care packages to our troops overseas in U.S. history.

This is an excellent cause for our troops who will appreciate these packages from us. I hope Charles makes a thread for this webathon.

49 Intrepid  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:41:34am

I can believe that he is against the Fairness Doctrine - look at all that wonderful press he's been getting as opposed to McCain. Why would he want to give up all that simpering, gooey worship?

50 Arkay  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:42:05am

The reporter misunderstood him. Actually he meant that he does not support the Fairness Doctrine being imposed on the Internet.

51 Dianna  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:42:35am

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

Clever!

52 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:42:50am

re: #49 Intrepid

I can believe that he is against the Fairness Doctrine - look at all that wonderful press he's been getting as opposed to McCain. Why would he want to give up all that simpering, gooey worship?

Will they include television or will the FD just apply to talk radio?

53 bosforus  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:43:32am

Nothing on Kos about it yet. But then again, doing a search for "fairness doctrine" for diaries posted in the last 6 months shows no results so they probably don't care too much anyway.

54 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:43:33am

Somebody fix this man a waffle--he's going to need it.

55 Rogue198  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:43:41am

After/If he wins, we'll be hearing his this from the Oval Office as he signs the Fairness Doctrine into law.

"I regret having to do this, this was not the Talk Radio I knew."

56 yesandno  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:43:43am

How about now?

He won't ever support the fairness doctrine
he will support an "equality" doctrine instead...

if someone we deem conservative....99% of America to their way of thinking...then they must be given "equal time"....

This isn't about fairness....its about equality

/hand me the duct tape, my head is coming apart..........

57 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:44:18am

re: #46 karmic_inquisitor

Nice catch !
ROFL !

Yeah, right. I really trust these people.
/

58 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:44:32am

re: #36 alegrias

Here's the poll numbers for the MN senate race.

59 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:44:41am

Much as I dislike Obama, I'm not going to pile on to him for actually supporting a position I agree with this time.

Also, as far as I know Obama did not come out in support of the Doctrine before (could be wrong), so it seems unfair to accuse him of "hypocrisy", flip-flopping, etc. on this particular point.

60 kyjed  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:45:48am

Re: # 9 Ben Hur

"Each candidate or their supporters must be given equal time, even on interview shows, but only during elections."

Our election cycle seems to start the day after each election, so that would not work here.

61 Dahveed  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:46:31am

Obama would throw his own grandmother under the bus to get elected.

62 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:47:13am

re: #2 yesandno

has he changed his mind yet.............

how about now?

Channeling the Verizon "can you hear me know" guy ...

"Do I have your vote now? [steps in new direction on issue] Do I have your vote now?"

63 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:47:24am

re: #49 Intrepid

I can believe that he is against the Fairness Doctrine - look at all that wonderful press he's been getting as opposed to McCain. Why would he want to give up all that simpering, gooey worship?

Once again, the Fairness Doctrine does not apply to the unfair MSM.
As long as it's classified as "news," it's not applied.

The Fairness Doctrine never did anything to balance out the leftwing bias of the MSM.

They (including MSMers) want it back so they can shut up conservative radio.

64 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:47:37am

re: #60 kyjed

Re: # 9 Ben Hur

"Each candidate or their supporters must be given equal time, even on interview shows, but only during elections."

Our election cycle seems to start the day after each election, so that would not work here.


You're right.

We should have a 6 week campaign like in Britain.

65 pegcity  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:48:37am

re: #9 Ben Hur

So does Canada.

It's bullshit cause everyone knows the networks always spout the liberals propganda regardless

66 maddogg  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:48:46am

Man! Obama changes speeds and directions faster than a mourning dove in the third week of the season.

67 Intrepid  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

Will they include television or will the FD just apply to talk radio?

It would be narrow and pointed to only those media in which McCain and/or conservatives are painted in a favorable light. That's what makes it "fair", doncha know.

/

68 jorline  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:50:20am

Obama talking out his butt again?

69 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:50:36am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Here's the poll numbers for the MN senate race.

Now that, unlike Al, is funny!

70 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:51:18am

re: #61 Dahveed

Obama would throw his own grandmother under the bus to get elected.

Didn't he do that already?

71 ec marm  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:51:47am

Barack!It's only a matter of time before he will Change!his mind.You can believe it!

72 J.S.  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:52:01am

Obama changing his mind is the kind of "change" we can all believe in.

73 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:52:33am

re: #61 Dahveed

Obama would throw his own grandmother under the bus to get elected.

where have you been? She's been under there since just about day 1

74 turn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:53:05am

Don't worry everyone, if Obama gets elected and signs the FD into law we can always take our case to the SCOTUS and get it overturned as unconstitutional .. oh wait

75 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:53:17am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

You beat me ,,,see my 73 ,,,, GMTA ,,, I'm just a slow typer

76 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:53:19am

The Nigerian "Get-Rich Scheme" Finally Arrives to Obama's Website ...

I have just received a message from a person with a profile at this site promising quick million bucks in my bank account.

They know where to mine for suckers.

77 yesandno  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:53:39am

I cannot image sitting through a speech by Al. Fingernails on the chalkboard.
The perverted smile. The assumption that he actually knows something. The devolution of critical thinking at its best.

78 jorline  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:54:11am

DNC keynote speakers for BHO.

79 maddogg  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:54:23am

Obama is gonna need an industrial car crusher to get all his shady friends and leftist past actions under that bus. He is a shameless bald faced liar, as are almost all communists.

80 Intrepid  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:55:21am

re: #63 wolfie

Once again, the Fairness Doctrine does not apply to the unfair MSM.
As long as it's classified as "news," it's not applied.

The Fairness Doctrine never did anything to balance out the leftwing bias of the MSM.

They (including MSMers) want it back so they can shut up conservative radio.

They have so lost in the talk radio medium - even that ridiculous "Air America" (puke) can't sustain itself. It's a sour grapes thing, I think. The hatred for Limbaugh, Boortz, Savage and the like runs deep, especially in light of their '94 congressional losses.

81 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:55:21am

If this keeps up, Obama will have stood for everything that I do at some point.

Of course, that also means that at other points, he has stood against everything I stand for.

I think I am in favor of voting for him today. Tomorrow, not so much. November, definitely not.

/"It only matters when it counts", might be a good campaign slogan for him now. Or in Latin "Is tantum res ut is duco".

82 MJBrutus  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:56:07am

Give him a day and he'll blame his staffer for getting it wrong.

83 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:57:06am

"That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets."


That sounds like he has left himself quite a bit of wiggle room, better clear a little more space under that bus.

84 DeafDog  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:57:09am

"Whew! Good thing Barack Obama has the reputation of always standing by his decisions and keeping his word."

Good one!

85 Beobachter  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:58:56am

He may not support it, but he won't veto it either, if he should, g*d forbid, become POTUS.

86 trailortrash  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 9:59:42am

re: #2 yesandno

has he changed his mind yet.............

how about now?

and now?

88 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:01:13am

re: #80 Intrepid

They have so lost in the talk radio medium - even that ridiculous "Air America" (puke) can't sustain itself. It's a sour grapes thing, I think. The hatred for Limbaugh, Boortz, Savage and the like runs deep, especially in light of their '94 congressional losses.

So true!
They cannot stand to have any competition whatsoever. They want a total monopoly of the mass media.
I remember the hysteria of the left when Rush Limbaugh broke onto the national scene. It was the first time conservatism had a mass voice and the left couldn't stand it. (They still can't.)
Then there's Fox news. Once again, hysteria.

They don't want us to hear any other viewpoint. It's unfair if we do!

89 Athos  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:03:44am
Whew! Good thing Barack Obama has the reputation of always standing by his decisions and keeping his word.

ROFL - And we all thought J 'effin Kerry was the king of the flipflops.

The ground clearance of the Obama bus has to be measured in yards given all of the bodies tossed under it....either that or the bus is stuck on its belly - all four wheels spinning and the lamestream media is trying its best to hide that fact from the American people.

90 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:04:05am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Much as I dislike Obama, I'm not going to pile on to him for actually supporting a position I agree with this time.

Also, as far as I know Obama did not come out in support of the Doctrine before (could be wrong), so it seems unfair to accuse him of "hypocrisy", flip-flopping, etc. on this particular point.

Well I have just done a search of the pdfs at barackobama.com and he does not have a stated position of the fairness doctrine.

Point taken.

However, if you search the blogs at my.bo.com, you find overwhelming and heated support for the fairness doctrine (except today, of course, where suddenly there is support by some for "our next president's" position.

Barack stays vague on so many issues and simply uses well crafted rhetoric and propaganda to indicate the direction that best suits his current needs. He never stated a position on the fairness doctrine (I assume) because he had the Nancy-Pelosi-Angry-Left-"Progressives" locked up. Now he gets to "move to the center".

All politicians do this. What is interesting is to see how all these "new, fresh faces" in our political process simply buy whatever he says without a second thought - even when his (now) stated position contradicts their own.

27 posts on the Fairness Doctrine at my.bo.com, with 23 supporting the reimposition of it.

91 bosforus  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:04:38am

re: #89 Athos

ROFL - And we all thought J 'effin Kerry was the king of the flipflops.

Didn't you see the flip-flop crown on Obama's head? Oh wait, those are his ears. zzzzzing!

92 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:05:19am

re: #83 bulwrk

"That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets."

That sounds like he has left himself quite a bit of wiggle room, better clear a little more space under that bus.

He will simply re-name the Fairness Doctrine, then. All he means is that he wants MORE of what the FD did.
network neutrality = leftwing only....the "Fairness Doctrine"
public broadcasting= forcing us to pay for leftist propaganda
minority ownership= forcing us to subsidize or favor media run by Sharpton, Wright, La Raza, and CAIR

93 maddogg  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:05:21am

I suspect Obama was for it before he was against it.

94 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:05:56am

With a Democrat headlock on both houses of Congress, there is no way in HELL that he would veto a Fairness Doctrine bill from them.

95 jaunte  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:06:37am

When the Clintons were in power I used to think that they were the epitome of arrogance, narcissism, and lust for power, but Obama has surpassed both of them. Every vote, principle, or relationship that hints of getting between him and his goal gets tossed aside. It's astonishing that so many voters can't see the emptiness there.

96 Athos  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:06:47am

re: #88 wolfie

I don't think the entire issue is the competition - its the success of the competition that is driving them nuts. The hard left just cannot accept that conservative talk radio and fair / balanced news can make money while their outlets cannot do so without weathering major losses.

Imagine how conservative radio or TV would be if they had the annual investment from the government that PBS gets.

97 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:06:56am

Sen. John F. Kerry was the king of all flip flops until Sen. Barrack "I'll change my mind and you'll believe it" H. Obama stepped onto the scene and eclipsed him. At this rate, if BHO does not become POTUS, who do you suppose they'll trot out in 4 years to surpass BHO's plethora of beach footwear?

98 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:08:34am

re: #83 bulwrk

"That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets."


That sounds like he has left himself quite a bit of wiggle room, better clear a little more space under that bus.

He is a POS huckster.
He's just going to rename it the Democracy in Media Bill.

99 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:09:14am

re: #94 Russkilitlover

With a Democrat headlock on both houses of Congress, there is no way in HELL that he would veto a Fairness Doctrine bill from them.

It will be called something else, that's all.

100 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:09:15am

re: #92 wolfie

Exactly, the two biggest hammers in the fairness doctrine tool box, his current position means nothing.

101 opnion  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:09:54am

Just lying to the Kaffir, as is permissible by the Noble Koran.
Wait, it is racist to point about Barry's Muslim background.

102 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:10:55am

re: #96 Athos

correct. It all stems from their mentality that there should be no "losers" so nobodies "feelings" are hurt. In youth sports, no keeping score. In school, don't post grades because someone that got a "D" would feel bad if his freind got an "A".

103 yitzy  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:12:28am

I agree with Obama's position.

OW! That hurt my brain when I said that. Guess I'll have to practice some more.

I agree with Obama's position. OW!
I agree with Obama's position. OW!
......

104 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:12:29am

re: #97 Jetpilot1101

It will be hill's shot in 4 years when BHO flames out

105 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:13:32am

re: #96 Athos

Well yes, the success of the competition is, as you say, what matters.
To them SUCCESS=power, i.e. a MASS audience.
They fear any power that opposes their own.

106 Dahveed  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:14:34am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

re: #73 sattv4u2

Well, there you have it.

107 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:14:39am

re: #104 chicagodudewhotrades

It will be hill's shot in 4 years when BHO flames out

Possibly and since I don't see McCain around for two terms, we are going to need a Ronaldus Magnus to run against her.

108 MarineMomSue  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:14:58am

Did the obamameister forget to check with the 'dear speaker' about this?

She gave an emphatic "YES" when asked recently if she supports revivial of the Fairness Doctrine

109 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:15:45am

Hmmm... apparently logic and reasoning were also thrown under the bus as Obama claims that McCain's energy policy is nothing but gimmicks.

I see that the construction of 45 nuclear power plants would be a gimmick according to Obama. Gotcha. How many watts is Obama's energy policy going to create - 0. McCain's? 45,000 megawatts if each facility produces a typical 1,000 MW of power. Yeah, I'd call that a gimmick alright./

110 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:16:10am

re: #100 bulwrk

Exactly, the two biggest hammers in the fairness doctrine tool box, his current position means nothing.

You zeroed in on the money quote!This guy is a real snake in the grass.

111 wolfie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:18:11am

re: #103 yitzy

I suggest you go to comment # 83 and see what Obama really has in mind before you say that.
He just wants to rename the FD but increase it's horrid provisions.

112 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:18:42am

Does anyone have a link to something McCain has said about this issue?

113 rollingdivision  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:19:40am

Obama will run as far to the right as his nutroots will allow. Soon, he'll be for winning in Iraq and drilling for oil, but just until the election of course. Don't know about "fairness" doctrine though. I'm going to some nutroot sites to review their marching orders for Obama on the fairness doctrine.

114 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:21:05am

re: #89 Athos

ROFL - And we all thought J 'effin Kerry was the king of the flipflops.

The ground clearance of the Obama bus has to be measured in yards given all of the bodies tossed under it....either that or the bus is stuck on its belly - all four wheels spinning and the lamestream media is trying its best to hide that fact from the American people.

The Obama bus.

115 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:21:41am

I found a link regarding McCain's position on the Fairness Doctrine. He appears to be on the right side of this issue.

116 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:24:55am

FD Under The Bus
The cyclist appears to be the Fairness Doctrine.

117 Athos  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #109 lawhawk

Fundamentally, Obama does not see anything wrong with the current energy situation and prices. In fact, he would prefer higher prices and more challenges with energy supplies as it would force not only additional conservation but provide the case for even greater government intervention and control of energy (nationalization of the domestic energy industry).

If there is a plan that lacks any grasp on reality or gravitas, it is the plan of the hard left to just let the situation founder even further and then have them and the government arrive in the nick of time to save the nation.

Do these people have any grasp on reality or are they just locked in their fantasy world of neo-marixst theories?

118 Athos  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:27:07am

re: #114 CyanSnowHawk

Exactly - but even with that, it's getting pretty crowded under that thing.

I wonder what clearance is needed if he get's elected and throws the country under the bus.

119 Clio  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:27:22am

The Obama campaign is coming to remind me of the days when I was first learning to ride.

The students rode is a large indoor ring, all following the instructor around and around the ring. Every once in a while the instructor would call out "CHANGE" -- and then every rider had to turn his/her horse around to trot in the opposite direction.

When you could CHANGE fast enough, you could advance from trot to canter.

Obama seems up to gallop.

120 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:27:34am
The Illinois senator’s top aide said the issue continues to be used as a distraction from more pressing media business.

There's a principled position.
/not

Why does that remind me of Palestinian statements like they are against murdering Israeli citizens because it's counterproductive to their negotiations.

121 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:28:12am

re: #112 Lawrence Schmerel

Does anyone have a link to something McCain has said about this issue?

afraid to

122 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:37:56am

Did he say he supported it before? No? Then it's not under the bus. Let's use the term for when it really happens (and it genuinely happens plenty).

I hate what Obama stands for, but we should still be consistent and fair with our criticisms anyway.

123 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:49:28am

I saw the stupidest bumper sticker yesterday on the back of a VW bug. It said "A PBS mind in a Fox News World" There were scratches all over the car. I wonder when the scratches got put on the car before or after this idiot put the sticker on the back of his car? My guess would be after....what a tool!

124 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:55:30am

re: #123 redheadredstate

I saw the stupidest bumper sticker yesterday on the back of a VW bug. It said "A PBS mind in a Fox News World" There were scratches all over the car. I wonder when the scratches got put on the car before or after this idiot put the sticker on the back of his car? My guess would be after....what a tool!

People who declare their vast superiority via a bumper sticker are incredibly silly.

125 redheadredstate  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:00:05am

re: #124 debutaunt

People who declare their vast superiority via a bumper sticker are incredibly silly.

I know this was a bit OT but I thought of the Fairness Doctrine when I saw it. The left has not only PBS but all the other networks plus CNN etc...We have Fox News and AM talk radio. The nano second we get some type of outlet for our views the left starts screaming about fairness. When I saw this sticker I wondered why this person felt so threatened by Fox News that they would take the time and trouble to put such a sticker on their car.

BTW the only bumper sticker I have on my car says "proud parent of an Irish Dancer"....that's the only statement I wish to make, that and the sticker helps me to find my car because it's a generic white sedan LOL.

126 mean Gene  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:00:35am

Does Obama even understand his own view?

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., unlike some other party leaders, does not support "reimposing" the Fairness Doctrine, according to press secretary Michael Ortiz. "He [Obama] considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible," Ortiz wrote in an e-mail.


[Link: www.smartbrief.com...]
Are we to be forced to open the airwaves or what?

127 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:49am

He just hasn't read it yet.

128 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:37:58am

re: #3 Golem Akbar

Well now, I now agree with him on one important point. My liberal friends' heads will explode over this.

We'll have to see how Hussein Obama votes, abstains, etc, with the counter legislation that the Republicans are trying to get to the floor for a vote.

Obama is simply trying to say things that appear to bring him to the "center", which is basic campaigning 101.

This appearing to go to the "center" will come with more frequency as the election draws near.

Obama can't not believe in the Fairness Doctrine, at its core, is exactly what is at Hussein Obama's core, the stripping of Constitutional freedoms.

It is the marxist/communist/socialist way, and Obama must be a liberal first, foremost and above everything else, he's simply changing his rhetoric a bit to try and appear "moderate.

His actions and his records speak loudest, he is till the most leftist politician in Washington, and his actions haven't changed that, regardless of what he says.

129 LonnyE  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:44:12am

re: #109 lawhawk

Hmmm... apparently logic and reasoning were also thrown under the bus as Obama claims that McCain's energy policy is nothing but gimmicks.

I see that the construction of 45 nuclear power plants would be a gimmick according to Obama. Gotcha. How many watts is Obama's energy policy going to create - 0. McCain's? 45,000 megawatts if each facility produces a typical 1,000 MW of power. Yeah, I'd call that a gimmick alright./

The existing pre-certified advanced designs are roughly 600 MWe. The lower core power density in these new designs is one of the key reasons why the safety systems can be simplified. Regardless, agree that only a loon would consider 45 new nuclear plants to be a gimmick ;)

130 hazzyday  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:46:15am

I thought the same thing. From the new perspective of the throne he will recant his lessor ideas from the election run. And he will decree that with new information and new responsibilties that there is now a pressing need for the fairness doctrine in the United State to address social justice.

I think it's common for people in promotions that have a lot of inexperience to vastly misread and overreach and end up in mistrust.

131 jhn1  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:56:34am

Well, as long as he does not have inside information as to asymmetrical enforcement, I suspect that, like public campaign financing, this is a no-brainer.
He does not want "Fairness" as long as it could apply to the broadcast media now covering him and his campaign., and "the glow", and the "he makes me quiver" and the general reframing of all the issues towards B.O.'s positions.
I suspect that at least 80% of the daily local TV broadcasts could be violations, and at least 97% of the big 3 network broadcasts could be sued , especially if under the same legal reimbursement provisions the ACLU has made out so well at.

Actually, the MSM's best chance would then be to quit claiming the news programs as "community service" and just quit lying as to the impartiality of news reporting. Pay the higher FCC licensing fee and let the "news" program stand or fall on its own profitibility.

132 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:04:43pm
133 bill-tb  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:07:48pm

Good cop bad cop. Don't pay any attention to what the post turtle says, it's all about what he does.

134 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:09:17pm
135 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:14:29pm
136 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:19:08pm

re: #26 lawhawk

He doesn't support the fairness doctrine, but what kind of judges, officials, and cronies to fill all kinds of government positions would he want? The same kind that would have no problem finding that the fairness doctrine is needed, warranted, and legal.

Of course - why should you have to take a position that will alienate half of the population when you can appoint minions to do it for you and then raise your hands and say "I will support the __________'s decision!"

Everytime he opens his mouth about his idea of "change, " I see more and more of my liberty trounced on.

137 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:30:57pm

re: #136 Carolina Girl
I can't wait to here what this ash%^& has to say about the
Heller decision.....
Hope he puts his foot in it,right up to his knee!

138 LeonidasOfSparta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:39:43pm

Klonsky needs to move over and make room-- I give it 48 hours at the most before he changes his mind and buckles to the demands of "popularity" and shoves his thoughts on the "fairness doctrine" under da bus.

here come da bus, here come da bus!

139 LeonidasOfSparta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:42:10pm

I just don't get the wording "re-imposed" that the Obamination bobblehead used-- it's never been IMPOSED to begin with (or did I miss something?)

140 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:49:41pm
141 vagabond trader  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 12:54:15pm

re: #126 mean Gene

I suspect that his own view is even more liberal than the so called Fairness Doctrine.It's the old quota system imposed on radio station ownership.More women,"minorities", disabled, gays,commies, et al.

142 mean Gene  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 1:02:23pm

re: #141 vagabond trader

I suspect that his own view is even more liberal than the so called Fairness Doctrine.It's the old quota system imposed on radio station ownership.More women,"minorities", disabled, gays,commies, et al.


Sure, it is much more liberal.
But hasn't the idiot ever heard of incrementalism?
Don't most commies use the old "thesis, antithesis, synthesis,'' dialectic anymore?

143 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 1:47:00pm

#117 Athos

Do these people have any grasp on reality or are they just locked in their fantasy world of neo-marixst theories?

Their fantasy is to take over the world.

144 Catttt  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 1:51:38pm

In my cystal ball, I see a headline from the future:

Obama Camp Disavows last June's 'Inartful' Statement on Fairness Doctrine by Michael Ortiz

Here is a handy template for future use:

Obama Camp Disavows insert date 'Inartful' Statement on insert subject by insert scapegoat

145 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 2:00:44pm

I put this on another thread, but it really belongs here (sorry for the re-posting) --

Barry Angel, teen heartthrob --
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

146 edr  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 2:07:59pm

Hmmmm.

They'll just call it something else.

147 LeonidasOfSparta  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 2:11:39pm

#140
thanks buzzsawmonkey

I think BHussein is, in reality, just a "poseur" (or a tosser, whichever Brit phrase you prefer)

;)

148 Soccer Fan  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 2:40:19pm

re: #9 Ben Hur

Israel has a fairness doctrine but only during election campaigns.

Each candidate or their supporters must be given equal time, even on interview shows, but only during elections.

Brazil has a similar election policy... each party and candidate is entitled to equal time on the public airwaves (TV and radio). The problem is there are umpteen parties and many of them (at least 50% have no chance of winning a seat anywhere, not even in local races much less national). There are elections every two years just like here in the USA and election season has a defined beginning "which if I remember correctly is 3 months before election day which is also in November. Elections in Brazil are agony because of this equal time doctrine although since a large portion of the electorate is either totally or functionally illiterate it is believed that this is the only way most voters can hear the candidates positions.

An interesting comment is that there are parties that start on the left which probably starts with the Brazilian Communist party (although their candidates are always stating that they are not Marxists!) but there are no similar hard right candidates or parties so the middle ground is much farther left than here in the USA. The hardest right parties you can find espouse much of what we call conservativism and the centrist parties are very similar to the Democrats here. Their equivalent to the Republican party are the "Toucans" (the Social Democracy Party) and the party in charge today of which President Lula is the Worker's Party. To his credit although he is still much farther left than my tastes would want Lula has been astonishingly fiscally conservative and has kept his far left tendencies to a minimum. Interestingly enough certain issues have no middle ground primarily social issues such as abortion or homosexual marriage are almost universally not accepted among any party even the far left. To complete I find that the tendency to go towards the right across the country as the people more and more see that individual rights, gun ownership, private property rights, and less government is a better thing.

149 jdow-antijihad  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:35:36am

He's canny enough to be aware of little details such as the vicious bias of the video and print media against McCain or any Republican. Heck, they're even biased against Democrats who are not Communist enough, such as Hillary.

{^_^}


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