Some really cool photographs. Will make you see the beauty in both God and science.

Whoever thought one would preclude the other, as if, either, or...

Wow, stinky does philosphy too?

I myself believe there is no one answer. Some things can be answered by science but some questions can only be answered by faith.

Charles will be jealous of those pics. Nice.

Lao Tstinky

My spouse is off visiting her Mom. I could really misbehave if so inclined.
Hmm...
(devil horns sprouting on head even as I speak)
I am going to leave the TV on all night. To the bass fishing channel!
Woot!

The Way of Lao.

Reminds me of a quote from Star Wars Episode III:

'Only the Sith deal in absolutes.'

Well said, Charles.

re: #3 chicagodudewhotrades

Wow, stinky does philosphy too?

I wanna' see him assume the lotus position.

Wise.

Evolution is this this millennia's "earth is the center of the universe and if you believe otherwise you're not a Christian" controversy.

And just like that, hopefully, one day all Christians will have accepted evolution just like they now accept that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Plato Beaumont?

Stinky Aristotle?

Blowing through heaven and earth, and in our hearts and the heart of every living thing, is a gigantic breath–a great Cry–which we call God. Plant life wished to continue its motionless sleep next to stagnant waters, but the Cry leaped up within it and violently shook its roots: "Away, let go of the earth, walk!" Had the tree been able to think and judge, it would have cried, "I don't want to. What are you urging me to do? You are demanding the impossible!" But the Cry, without pity, kept shaking its roots and shouting, "Away, let go of the earth, walk!"

It shouted in this way for thousands of eons; and lo! as a result of desire and struggle, life escaped the motionless tree and was liberated.
Animals appeared–worms–making themselves at home in water and mud. "We're just fine here," they said. "We have peace and security; we're not budging!"
But the terrible Cry hammered itself pitilessly into their loins. "Leave the mud, stand up, give birth to your betters!"
"We don't want to! We can't!"
"You can't, but I can. Stand up!"
And lo! after thousands of eons, humans emerged, trembling on their still unsolid legs.
The human being is a centaur; our equine hoofs are planted in the ground, but our body from breast to head is worked on and tormented by the merciless Cry. We have been fighting, again for thousands of eons, to draw ourselves, like a sword, out of our animalistic scabbard. We are also fighting–and this is our new struggle–to draw ourselves out of our human scabbard. Humans call in despair. "Where can I go? I have reached the pinnacle, beyond is the abyss." And the Cry answers, "I am beyond. Stand up!" All things are centaurs. If this were not the case, the world would rot into inertness and sterility.

Nikos Kazantzakis, Report to Greco

But does God believe in Evolution?
I can't wait to find out.
As for the existence of God, I have no idea if She exists, where They live, which political party He belongs to, what Its favorite color is.........etc..........etc..........

Power to the Correct People!
(Even the agnostics.)

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment. "
-- LaoTzu

The truth is not stinky
but Stinky is the truth

Word.

My Republican AG nominee in MT has now received national attention. Interesting article, worth a look.

That's interesting in the the Tao wouldn't argue with evolution- it would accept it as the Tao. Very wise man, that Lao Stinky.

"Evolution is Intelligent Design"

-P.J. O'Rourke On The Wealth of Nations

re: #18 Sharmuta

Er- in that.

Brandon Rush traded to Indiana!
I need a beer!
woo-hooo!

The Tao of Pee Yeew

re: #21 HoosierHoops

Brandon Rush traded to Indiana!
I need a beer!
woo-hooo!

Who is this Brandon Rush of whom you speak, and is he worth one beer?

re: #1 stevieray

Some really cool photographs. Will make you see the beauty in both God and science.

Gorgeous.

The smokestack has the outline of the face of Jesus, side view - does anyone else see it? It is amazing what you see in clouds and smoke.

Hippie version:

It's amazing what you see after clouds of smoke.

A riddle:

Keffiyah over face
Che' TShirt, jeans/cargo pants
Depends or other large diaper...

Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

I always knew humanity was the centaur of the universe.

That's a very fauning response, don'cha think?

re: #27 BigPapa

A riddle:

Keffiyah over face
Che' TShirt, jeans/cargo pants
Depends or other large diaper...

Answer: Aging hippie?

.... a Recreate68 'protester' prepared for the Brown Note. I'm too lazy to do a photoshop job, but anybody with a modicum of talent and a few minutes of time...

re: #23 The Shadow Do

Who is this Brandon Rush of whom you speak, and is he worth one beer?

hey shadow..It's open thread and i'm blogging about the NBA draft..
and here come the Caps..INDIANA SCORD RUSH!
LARRY LEGEND HAS BRILLIANT DRAFT!
Sorry..i always wanted to do the cap thing...that was kindof fun..
:)

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

And while we're on the subject of fauns...

re: #33 mikalm

It's the Pan-theistic thread.

re: #31 BigPapa

LOL !

re: #33 mikalm

And while we're on the subject of fauns...

omigod...... :O

I have always felt that the view that God could not have used evolution to develop this world is a slap at God's abilities.

The logic seems to go like this. God gave man a brain that he can use to observe the world. Using that brain, man observes and finds out all sorts of things about our world, where oil is located, how the strata of the Grand Canyon formed, why water erodes sandstone to make caves, etc.

However, when man uses their god-given brain to observe the fossil records and sees obvious evidence that evolution occurred, man is supposed to ignore it. That is the opposite of what the brain was given for.

What this ends up meaning is that God is mean-spirited, rewarding man in some instances and punishing man for using the same ability in other instances.

To say that God could not have used evolution is to diminish gods powers.

re: #33 mikalm

What now? Faunsa and Flora and Cherubimina and Centaroids?

I cut my shirt sleeves off at the shoulders today.
I'm exercising my constitutional right to bare arms.

Is the like the Tao of Stinky? Or Stinky of Laos? No, Stinky of Taos--that's it. In any case, that pipe wrench of his gives me the willies.

re: #32 HoosierHoops

hey shadow..It's open thread and i'm blogging about the NBA draft..
and here come the Caps..INDIANA SCORD RUSH!
LARRY LEGEND HAS BRILLIANT DRAFT!
Sorry..i always wanted to do the cap thing...that was kindof fun..
:)

I'm with ya Hoosier, being an ex hoosier myself. But I'm not too sure about all the excitement? Isn't he a small forward and isn't he going to have to become a guard? Can do? How long? How good?
/don't get too excited about draft picks. Most end up sucking.

BAH! I deny it all. Behold the true word:

Funk upon a time
In the days of the Funkapus
The concept of specially-designed Afronauts
Capable of funkatizing galaxies
Was first laid on man-child
But was later repossessed
And placed among the secrets of the pyramids
Until a more positive attitude
Towards this most sacred phenomenon,
Clone Funk,
Could be acquired

(we want the funk, give up the funk)
There in these terrestrial projects
It would wait, along with its coinhabitants of kings and pharoahs
Like sleeping beauties with a kiss
That would release them to multiply
In the image of the chosen one:
Dr Funkenstein.
And funk is its own reward.
May I frighten you?

re: #39 jim in virginia

How about the right to arm bears?

I carry this over from the previous thread because I think it is just that important. Please visit these links and participate.

video of telethon

And to donate to our brave warriors, go here.

we also get the ex-blue devil mcdaniel in the trade..heard he was good?

re: #42 spidly

Amen, my brother. (Say it like Bootsy Collins)

re: #44 GeeWiz

Way to go, Gee Wiz !

re: #7 rawmuse

My spouse is off visiting her Mom. I could really misbehave if so inclined.
Hmm...
(devil horns sprouting on head even as I speak)
I am going to leave the TV on all night. To the bass fishing channel!
Woot!

Leave the toilet seat up, the whole time!

re: #39 jim in virginia

I cut my shirt sleeves off at the shoulders today.
I'm exercising my constitutional right to bare arms.

wear that getup too long and you'll be tweeking, putting 6" lift on your truck, and beating up women

re: #38 Carridine

Best fictional work on the subject: Arthur Machen's The Great God Pan. Very dark, classic horror novella...

Oh boy!
Mr Wolf is taking the little animals out for ice cream
and I am going to take a bubble bath ! :)
bbl

re: #51 wolfie

Oh boy!
Mr Wolf is taking the little animals out for ice cream
and I am going to take a bubble bath ! :)
bbl

Calgon: Take me away!

re: #41 The Shadow Do

I'm with ya Hoosier, being an ex hoosier myself. But I'm not too sure about all the excitement? Isn't he a small forward and isn't he going to have to become a guard? Can do? How long? How good?
/don't get too excited about draft picks. Most end up sucking.

hey shadow..Mr. Rush just won a national championship and is coming to Indy...
I know most draft picks suck..unlike the NFL.. it's really wierd..
hey ex-hoosier..what part of the country do you know live in?
( 5 bucks says cali..hahaha)

re: #48 Roentgen

Leave the toilet seat up, the whole time!

Heathen !

I've got a question:

I've noticed recently that two new or new-ish lizards don't have a football or other avatar next to their nics.

Does anyone know why this would be? (I'm just curious.)

Good evening all! Finally back up after my hard drive took a permanent vacation! That just stinks , except my computer is sooo fast now!

re: #56 CapeCoddah

Good evening all! Finally back up after my hard drive took a permanent vacation! That just stinks , except my computer is sooo fast now!

Hope you had everything backed up

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

True. But that doesn't make evolution by random mutation any less RIDICULOUS and impossible.

re: #10 white rabbit

Wise.

Evolution is this this millennia's "earth is the center of the universe and if you believe otherwise you're not a Christian" controversy.

And just like that, hopefully, one day all Christians will have accepted evolution just like they now accept that the Earth revolves around the sun.

I don't know if I will ever accept the theory of evolution in toto in its present form but, I'm closer to that than I am to the ID folks.

re: #57 HoosierHoops

Business computer, I back it up obsessively, its the only one I have with all the client and dispatch info on it. If I don't back up, you don't get picked up when your flight arrives! Plus, I have a great tech who can get anything back.

re: #59 MandyManners

nobody accepts "The" theory of evolution in toto, because it's not one complete ideology. There are several different theories which attempt to explain the subject. Scientists debate and research and study the issue and continually update the theories. That's how science works.

re: #53 HoosierHoops

hey shadow..Mr. Rush just won a national championship and is coming to Indy...
I know most draft picks suck..unlike the NFL.. it's really wierd..
hey ex-hoosier..what part of the country do you know live in?
( 5 bucks says cali..hahaha)

OK, ya owe me $5 son. I'm in Texas via Colorado. Left Ft Wayne area then on to Terre Haute about 35 years ago. That's right, I predate Larry Legend at ISU (go trees) bless his ugly ass perfect basketball god soul.

Go Mavs!

re: #53 HoosierHoops

hey shadow..Mr. Rush just won a national championship and is coming to Indy...
I know most draft picks suck..unlike the NFL.. it's really wierd..
hey ex-hoosier..what part of the country do you know live in?
( 5 bucks says cali..hahaha)

how bout JO to the Craptors?

They say there is a 50:50 chance that the North Pole will be open water this year.
Linkie

So, if the ice at the North Pole is melted, like why isn't NYC, Miami, LA, SFO, Seattle, ... underwater like all the eco-freaks said would happen?

re: #7 rawmuse

My spouse is off visiting her Mom. I could really misbehave if so inclined.
Hmm...
(devil horns sprouting on head even as I speak)
I am going to leave the TV on all night. To the bass fishing channel!
Woot!

WOW!
Way to burn the candle at both ends!

Just a little "pass it on" feel-good story. I saw an accordion for sale on Craigslist, for a measly 100 dollars. I could tell from the picture it was a very good accordion, Italian, about 40 years old.

Well, I emailed the owner. Her mother dies (she was 80 years old) and it was the mothers accordion, and they wanted it to go to someone who had an appreciation for accordions.

Well, I'm coming out here, but I have played the accordion for over 45 years. I have an early electronic model (1962), very heavy, all tubes, and becuase of the weight, I rarely play it.

This accordion was just the right size. We arranged to meet near my apartment.

Well, when she showed up, I went to hand here the 100 cash, and she tells me that she wants to give me the accordion. I didn't see that coming.

She wouldn't take a penny for it, she said I sounded like someone who would treat the instrument well, and she wanted to pass it on to someone like me.

So, for all those accordion lovers out there, here's a little "Lady of Spain" to you and K.M of Lakewood Colorado.

Restores a little faith in people, doesn't it?

Walter in Golden, Co.

"The fact is that when you have that many fires - and there are still 700 fires left all over the state of California - you get stretched thin with the resources," Schwarzenegger said.
The state's largest fire, located about 20 miles east of the Big Sur fire in a more remote area of the Los Padres forest, also continued to vex firefighters, having scorched more than 92 square miles and destroyed two homes. The blaze, sparked by a campfire on June 8, was about 71 percent contained.

How much crap has California dumped into the atmosphere and caused Global warming over the last 10 years.

STOP GLOBAL WARMING,
GET RID OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

ESP BERKLEY.

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re: #28 Sharmuta

Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution

I'm going to continue to promote this book. It was written by a former creationist scientist, gives a great history of the controversy starting at Darwin, and lays out the scientific and theological problems with ID in layman's terms so that just about anyone can understand. It's very readable, and not lengthy. I hope some will give it a chance.

LOUISVILLE, Ky — Sonny Landham carved out a tough-guy reputation in a series of big-screen roles, from roughing up Sylvester Stallone to getting tossed out a window by Carl Weathers. He pulls no punches in his newest role: Libertarian challenger to a man known for political toughness, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Now 67 and living in northeastern Kentucky, the man who played Billy Bear in "48 Hours" and was killed by an alien in "Predator" admits his action-movie days are behind him. "I think I'm having wild action when I take two aspirin with my hot chocolate at night," he quipped.

SNIP

But the bid includes some campaign baggage that seems scripted for Hollywood, instead of socially conservative Kentucky. Early in his acting career in the 1970s, Landham bared it all in adult films.

Asked whether that could hurt him politically, Landham replied, "What can I do? That was a part of my life you cannot call back."

But he does express regrets.

"If I was going to do it now — knowing that I'm going to have four children, knowing that I was going to run for office — no, I wouldn't make that choice," he told The Associated Press in an interview. "But at the time I made the choice of getting a paycheck, staying alive for your big break."

Landham also served more than 2 1/2 years in federal prison after being convicted of making threatening and obscene phone calls to his ex-wife. The conviction was thrown out by a federal appeals court that found he committed no crime.

SNIP

Yeah. Right.

re: #68 ted

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Smile whenhyou say that.

Ya know , every time Charles starts a thread like this, there are bruised feelings. But it deals with the eternal question & lots of preconceived notions. The exploration of the fundamental question is fascinating.
I have usually been a bystander because I generally agree with the quotation at the top.
However , i did comment that no matter what , nobody actually believed in the Genesis account of Creation.
I was so wrong . The literalists shocked me.
It is a fairy tale. Ancient man's way of trying to explain things.
A belief in a Deity is not predicated on Genesis.

And why does the tab in my IE Browser say "#ctop" on this page? Must be due to GorbalWarming too.

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Very nice.

re: #71 MandyManners

:>) And dont forget the eggroll.

re: #61 Kenneth

nobody accepts "The" theory of evolution in toto, because it's not one complete ideology. There are several different theories which attempt to explain the subject. Scientists debate and research and study the issue and continually update the theories. That's how science works.

I just will never buy the idea that we descended from apes. I believe that God created humans as distinct creatures, endowed with reason and a soul.

re: #48 Roentgen

Leave the toilet seat up, the whole time!

Yeah, & let the dog drnnk out of it & both of you have a beer.

re: #50 mikalm

Best fictional work on the subject: Arthur Machen's The Great God Pan. Very dark, classic horror novella...

Machen was a great writer. Overlooked by many because of the competition in that time. His writing was as great as Lovecraft or Howard.

re: #68 ted

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胡锦涛主席 的回答引起 了符祥瀚小 朋友的极大 兴趣："我&#x60F 3;当国家主&#x5E2 D;，怎么样&#x624 D;能当国家 主席？"在&#x723 D;朗的笑声&#x4E2 D;，胡锦涛&#x8BE D;重心长地&#x8BF 4;："不管你&#x9 57F;大以后想&#x5 E72;什么，从&#x5 C0F;都要好 好学习，培 养自己良好 的品德，锻 炼一个健康 的体魄，这 样将来不管 干什么你都 一定能成功 。"】

re: #62 The Shadow Do

OK, ya owe me $5 son. I'm in Texas via Colorado. Left Ft Wayne area then on to Terre Haute about 35 years ago. That's right, I predate Larry Legend at ISU (go trees) bless his ugly ass perfect basketball god soul.

Go Mavs!

I bow to you sir...
kind regards..

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

That's an awesome story. I always tell my kids that despite what they may hear on the news, and that they will meet jerks, there are way more good people I the world than bad ones.

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Just a little "pass it on" feel-good story. I saw an accordion for sale on Craigslist, for a measly 100 dollars. I could tell from the picture it was a very good accordion, Italian, about 40 years old.

Well, I emailed the owner. Her mother dies (she was 80 years old) and it was the mothers accordion, and they wanted it to go to someone who had an appreciation for accordions.

Well, I'm coming out here, but I have played the accordion for over 45 years. I have an early electronic model (1962), very heavy, all tubes, and becuase of the weight, I rarely play it.

This accordion was just the right size. We arranged to meet near my apartment.

Well, when she showed up, I went to hand here the 100 cash, and she tells me that she wants to give me the accordion. I didn't see that coming.

She wouldn't take a penny for it, she said I sounded like someone who would treat the instrument well, and she wanted to pass it on to someone like me.

So, for all those accordion lovers out there, here's a little "Lady of Spain" to you and K.M of Lakewood Colorado.

Restores a little faith in people, doesn't it?

Walter in Golden, Co.

That is so sweet!

Of course, you could use some of that $100 you saved to buy a care package as part of the telethon at Soldiers' Angels...

re: #76 MandyManners

I just will never buy the idea that we descended from apes. I believe that God created humans as distinct creatures, endowed with reason and a soul.

GMABWTA!

{MandyManners}

MWAH!

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

— Lao Stinky

That I have no disagreement!

Richard Dawkins in an interview was asked this:

Is atheism the logical extension of believing in evolution?

Dawkins said this:

They clearly can't be irrevocably linked because a very large number of theologians believe in evolution. In fact, any respectable theologian of the Catholic or Anglican or any other sensible church believes in evolution. Similarly, a very large number of evolutionary scientists are also religious. My personal feeling is that understanding evolution led me to atheism.

So...what is he saying or insinuating here?

Stinky is a pretty wise person. Shouldn't that be the Tao of Stinky?

re: #68 ted

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Damn, my post got eaten...

Try this again...

(Inspecting seal on my fresh bottle of coke)

re: #75 ted

:>) And dont forget the eggroll.

Make mine vegetarian, please.

Ted, you didn't send me the Decoder Ring... I think it says something about drinking more Ovaltine.

re: #44 GeeWiz

I carry this over from the previous thread because I think it is just that important. Please visit these links and participate.

video of telethon

And to donate to our brave warriors, go here.

Thanks for reminding me. I had meant to do that all day. Looks like I'm going to have to call them direct, as my perfectly pristine credit was declined. They may be having verification problems.

re: #6 itellu3times

itu3t -

Lao Tstin Ky anyone? - Actually it is more or less what Albert Einstein said.

-S-

re: #64 Max Darkside

They say there is a 50:50 chance that the North Pole will be open water this year.
Linkie

So, if the ice at the North Pole is melted, like why isn't NYC, Miami, LA, SFO, Seattle, ... underwater like all the eco-freaks said would happen?

Undersea volcanoes may be the reason.

Just keep believing there is no God.

Tell him that when you get there.

[Link: heritage.stsci.edu...]

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

WOW!
Way to burn the candle at both ends!

Toilet seat, up night. Oh, yeah.

Up ALL night.
PIMF

re: #65 Typicalwhitey

go TO Michelle's web site to contribute moneys to our troops in care packets send to them!Michelle Malkin's web site Hot air.com!

re: #82 goddessoftheclassroom

Great segue, Goddess! And, an awesome idea.

re: #76 MandyManners

I just will never buy the idea that we descended from apes.

Obviously you've never met my brother-in-law...

But seriously, I believe humans decended from apes, and we have a soul. Maybe apes have ape-souls too?

re: #79 SasquatchOnSteroids

This page is from the Thoughts of Chairman Mao Lao Stinky...Available from The Peoples Press in Berkely, CA., for $3.95

S'up?

re: #76 MandyManners

I just will never buy the idea that we descended from apes. I believe that God created humans as distinct creatures, endowed with reason and a soul.

No evidence to the contrary that I have seen Mandy. In fact it looks like other apes are distinct in their lineage along the ole family tree. Would not surprise this old agnostic to find we sprung from some relatively hairless branch along the way (no offense to recent hair salon experiences).

re: #67 ibmkeyboard

How much crap has California dumped into the atmosphere and caused Global warming over the last 10 years.

STOP GLOBAL WARMING,
GET RID OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

ESP BERKLEY.

I care less about that than the amount of crap California has dumped into other states. (Human Detritus).

And this doesn't mean Cali lizards, you guys have given me an optimism for California that I didn't have before. I thought Cali was the moonbat mother hive.

re: #92 ibmkeyboard

Just keep believing there is no God.

Tell him that when you get there.

[Link: heritage.stsci.edu...]

'I could swear there ain't no heaven, but I pray there ain't no hell"
Blood , Sweat & Tears

re: #91 rawmuse

Undersea volcanoes may be the reason.

Russian general fires Arctic warning
Posted by: briantibbetts on Jun 26 - 07:48



A tough-talking Russian general is reheating the rhetoric of Arctic politics ahead of a large-scale military training exercise in Siberia, commenting in the country's official army newspaper that "wars these days are won and lost well before they are launched."

[Link: www.canada.com...]

I'll be back.re: #84 Psaturn

Gee- I think he's saying that for him, he's most comfortable as an atheist.

I've also read accounts of islamic apostates becoming atheists. Is this to say that any muslim looking critically at islam is going to end up an atheist?

re: #82 goddessoftheclassroom

That is so sweet!

Of course, you could use some of that $100 you saved to buy a care package as part of the telethon at Soldiers' Angels...

Ok, I sent them some money through PayPal. Thanks for the suggestion.

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #84 Psaturn

He is saying that was HIS personal feeling on the matter. Believing in evolution did not make me an atheist.

re: #64 Max Darkside

They say there is a 50:50 chance that the North Pole will be open water this year.
Linkie

So, if the ice at the North Pole is melted, like why isn't NYC, Miami, LA, SFO, Seattle, ... underwater like all the eco-freaks said would happen?

"Max" -

Think of what happens in a glass of WATER with ICE in it when the ICE MELTS - Figure the Oceans are more or less like that.

-S-

re: #60 CapeCoddah

Business computer, I back it up obsessively, its the only one I have with all the client and dispatch info on it. If I don't back up, you don't get picked up when your flight arrives! Plus, I have a great tech who can get anything back.

that's great.
everybody i know uses NAS 1 TB drives and we all back each others stuff up...

re: #91 rawmuse
That was interesting:

"The scientists say the heat released by the explosions is not contributing to the melting of the Arctic ice, but Sohn says the huge volumes of CO2 gas that belched out of the undersea volcanoes likely contributed to rising concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."

re: #91 rawmuse

Undersea volcanoes may be the reason.

Thank you.

re: #97 Kenneth

Obviously you've never met my brother-in-law...

But seriously, I believe humans decended from apes, and we have a soul. Maybe apes have ape-souls too?

No no no! Dogs have souls. God loves dogs. Who wouldn't?

re: #80 HoosierHoops

I bow to you sir...
kind regards..

And to you Hoosier. Perfect NBA finals Mavs vs. Pacers

re: #101 Mars Needs Neocons

LOL, try Massachusetts!

re: #86 SasquatchOnSteroids

Try this instead.

[Link: www.popsoda.com...]

re: #101 Mars Needs Neocons

I care less about that than the amount of crap California has dumped into other states. (Human Detritus).
wished I would have said that.

heh

re: #83 goddessoftheclassroom

My hair withstood the test of tests: 2.5 hours in the ER after The Kid slipped on the wet garage floor this afternoon and smacked the snot out of his head. I rushed him to the hospital while I was stinking wet to my very roots. I'm glad to report that his head looked better than mine when it was all over.

The charming moment of the day: he asked the CAT scan radiologist afterwards if the "radiation will damage my nuts." My knees buckled while I coughed myself silly to cover up the laughter. Her eyebrows flew up into her hair-line. I leaned over and told her that he had attended football camp a week ago and learned all kinds of interesting words.

Just gotta' love little boys.

re: #111 opnion

No no no! Dogs have souls. God loves dogs. Who wouldn't?

Ok, well did you hear about the agnostic insomniac with dysexia?

He used to lay awake at night wondering if there was a dog.

re: #97 Kenneth

Obviously you've never met my brother-in-law...

But seriously, I believe humans decended from apes, and we have a soul. Maybe apes have ape-souls too?

Beats me.

The problem with the theory of evolution (remember, it's only a theory) is that it ultimately equates amoeba with people. Belief in the theory of evolution leads to immorality since, according to this theory, there is no more holiness/specialness in a human being than there is in a single-celled creature. Evolution preaches survival of the fittest, not survival of the the humblest, the holiest, the closest to God.

re: #108 HoosierHoops

That's probably very good advice, but, over my head. I know just enough to be dangerous...

Russian general fires Arctic warning
A tough-talking Russian general is reheating the rhetoric of Arctic politics ahead of a large-scale military training exercise in Siberia, commenting in the country's official army newspaper that "wars these days are won and lost well before they are launched."

NO BLOOD FOR ICE !
BABY POLAR BEARS IN CROSSFIRE !
OMG!

/LLL

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

S'up?

^

re: #116 MandyManners

My respect for The Kid is considerable!

LOL!

Hmmm, I wonder if this has any relation to Lao Stinky...just curious.

re: #84 Psaturn

So...what is he saying or insinuating here?

He's being a dick, that's how he makes a living. Just like Hitchens, Coulter and Howard Stern.

re: #117 Kenneth

Ok, well did you hear about the agnostic insomniac with dysexia?

He used to lay awake at night wondering if there was a dog.

Actually, yes & it is still funny. You know in an off beat way.

re: #116 MandyManners

You poor soul. I pity the mothers of boys. Boys are like men, only more so.
It is a miracle we survive boyhood. Some don't, I know.

re: #82 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you for helping me get the word out!

re: #108 HoosierHoops

that's great.
everybody i know uses NAS 1 TB drives and we all back each others stuff up...

"HH" -

You are giving me a case of "Byte Envy." Mine is a 250 Gb SimpleTech carried over from my old 'pute. One of the few, the brave, that run on FireWire as well as USB as the old laptop could not be converted to USB2.

-s-

re: #112 The Shadow Do

And to you Hoosier. Perfect NBA finals Mavs vs. Pacers

And what about mark Cuban? He grad's from IU.. creates a website with real time sports broadcasts and sells it to Yahoo.com for 1 billon dollars...and buys a basketball team.. Mark is great!

re: #116 MandyManners

Sounds like this will be one of many trips to the ER, "The Kid" sounds like a handful. Hope they're always this uneventful for you.

re: #107 Dr. Shalit

"Max" -
Think of what happens in a glass of WATER with ICE in it when the ICE MELTS - Figure the Oceans are more or less like that.
-S-

Sorry, I left the SARC tag off of my post. I'm an Engineer and modestly fam with fisics.

re: #111 opnion

I sure agree with that, I KNOW my pooches have souls!

re: #119 yehoshua

No it doesn't. That is a straw man argument (again).

Evolution has absolutely nothing to say about any spiritual or theological matter. Nothing.

And you should learn what the term "scientific theory" means.

re: #123 Kenneth

My respect for The Kid is considerable!

LOL!

He scares the shit out of me at times. At many of those very same times, I stand in awe of him.

Oh lookie! Obama Blog Nuthouse Roundup just landed upstairs! Woo hoo!

【坐在最前 面的小姑娘 何翁琳琳第 一个发问： "北京奥运� x4F1 A;五个福娃� x4E2 D;，我最喜� x6B2 2;欢欢和晶 晶，您最喜 欢哪一个？ "琳琳的问� x989 8;引来一片� x7B1 1;声。胡锦� x6D9 B;笑着告诉� x597 9;："五个福 A03;我都喜 欢。"

You talkin' dirty, Ted?

Dirty talk will get ya banned.

re: #64 Max Darkside

They say there is a 50:50 chance that the North Pole will be open water this year.
Linkie

So, if the ice at the North Pole is melted, like why isn't NYC, Miami, LA, SFO, Seattle, ... underwater like all the eco-freaks said would happen?

Another myth of Global Warming science.

Things "float" when the mass of the water they displace equals the mass of that thing.

Want to know how much a cruise ship weighs? Calculate the volume of the ship below the water line and multiply by the mass of water for each unit of volume.

Icebergs are made up of water. That water in the iceberg is no heavier than the water surrounding it. It "floats" because water takes up more space when frozen than when liquid. (anyone can take a 2 liter jug of water and freeze it over night and find the jug busted open the next morning).

The part of the iceberg that sits above the waterline represents exactly the amount of volume expansion for that mass of water when frozen. When that iceberg melt it will occupy exactly the same amount of space as did the portion of the iceberg under the water line (except for the now drowned polar bear that was on top).

The Arctic Ice "flood theory" is a fraud. Outright.

re: #127 rawmuse

You poor soul. I pity the mothers of boys. Boys are like men, only more so.
It is a miracle we survive boyhood. Some don't, I know.

Maybe it was fated that I have a boy since I was raised in a female atmosphere and once was utterly clueless about you men.

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh lookie! Obama Blog Nuthouse Roundup just landed upstairs! Woo hoo!

I dunno whether I'm up to that, sorry, just had enough of nutjobs, lately.

re: #116 MandyManners

My hair withstood the test of tests: 2.5 hours in the ER after The Kid slipped on the wet garage floor this afternoon and smacked the snot out of his head. I rushed him to the hospital while I was stinking wet to my very roots. I'm glad to report that his head looked better than mine when it was all over.

The charming moment of the day: he asked the CAT scan radiologist afterwards if the "radiation will damage my nuts." My knees buckled while I coughed myself silly to cover up the laughter. Her eyebrows flew up into her hair-line. I leaned over and told her that he had attended football camp a week ago and learned all kinds of interesting words.

Just gotta' love little boys.

I'm impressed that he knows to be concerned!

I'm glad all is well know. Did he need stitches?

re: #93 rawmuse

Toilet seat, up night. Oh, yeah.

You're a wild man!

re: #111 opnion

No no no! Dogs have souls. God loves dogs. Who wouldn't?

My Dad, who went to Catholic school, told me that a classmate of his, upon being informed by the nun/teacher that dogs don't have souls and therefore won't be in Heaven, stubbornly and loudly maintained that in that case, he didn't want to go to Heaven.

re: #119 yehoshua

The problem with the theory of evolution (remember, it's only a theory) is that it ultimately equates amoeba with people. Belief in the theory of evolution leads to immorality since, according to this theory, there is no more holiness/specialness in a human being than there is in a single-celled creature. Evolution preaches survival of the fittest, not survival of the the humblest, the holiest, the closest to God.

That does not defeat the science. Evolution is not easy to deny.

Darwins 'Theory" can be debated, but I do believe that Evolution is a settled fact. Look at a dog, partiularly leys say a poodle.
Look like a wolf to you?
Evolution does not defeat a belief in God.

re: #128 GeeWiz

Thank you for helping me get the word out!

My pleasure! As I said on another link, I can't stand to be hot and sweaty, and that's what our troops live with every day in the summer.

re: #104 Sharmuta

I'll be back.

Gee- I think he's saying that for him, he's most comfortable as an atheist.

I've also read accounts of islamic apostates becoming atheists. Is this to say that any muslim looking critically at islam is going to end up an atheist?

I don't know, Shar. I've read articles that have stated that large numbers of Muslims are converting to Christianity. (I followed other people's links and didn't save them.)

It's possible that, after being out of Islam for a few years, some might feel that they are able to trust another religious institution again.

It is extremely painful and psychologically disconcerting to have truly believed in something only to learn that you were completely wrong. If you truly believed in God but followed a bad teaching, what does that say about God? Why would God have allowed you to be so wrong when all you wanted to do was serve Him? It can be a shattering experience after which the only alternative for some might be to turn away from religion completely.

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like this will be one of many trips to the ER, "The Kid" sounds like a handful. Hope they're always this uneventful for you.

We had so many one summer in Denver that I was worried they would have CPS all in my business.

I'll never forget the time he jumped off his bed and put a divot in his cheekbone.

re: #116 MandyManners

OK, now, that's funny! thank god he is OK, Mandy! I remember once years ago, when my youngest daughter was maybe 4, we were at a gas station, and the folks at the pump next to us were Asian. The terror leaned out the window, and asked the gentleman if he worked in a Chinese restaurant!. I almost died, but, he thought it was hilarious, and told me not to be embarrassed, he had little ones too!

re: #133 CapeCoddah

I sure agree with that, I KNOW my pooches have souls!

I believe in heaven, you have to watch where you step.
All dogs go to heaven.

re: #10 white rabbit

Wise.

Evolution is this this millennia's "earth is the center of the universe and if you believe otherwise you're not a Christian" controversy.

And just like that, hopefully, one day all Christians will have accepted evolution just like they now accept that the Earth revolves around the sun.

The proof that we revolve around the sun is contained in mathematic equations which are beyond the reach of understanding of 90% of the population of the world.

It is however, believed by rote by those that have no ability to understand the theory.

This parallels the issues in genetic biology, how you interpret the comparison is up to you....

re: #129 Dr. Shalit

"HH" -

You are giving me a case of "Byte Envy." Mine is a 250 Gb SimpleTech carried over from my old 'pute. One of the few, the brave, that run on FireWire as well as USB as the old laptop could not be converted to USB2.

-s-

oh lawd Doctor.. I have friends that downloaded every song known to man when Napster was in the hey day..
But nobody gets through the firewall...
regards doc

re: #137 A Kiwi Infidel

【坐在最前 面的小姑娘 何翁琳琳第 一个发问： "北京奥运&# x4F1 A;五个福娃&# x4E2 D;，我最喜&# x6B2 2;欢欢和晶 晶，您最喜 欢哪一个？ "琳琳的问&# x989 8;引来一片&# x7B1 1;声。胡锦&# x6D9 B;笑着告诉&# x597 9;："五个福 A03;我都喜 欢。"

You talkin' dirty, Ted?

Dirty talk will get ya banned.

What's he saying?!

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter: Can you play like this guy?

re: #130 HoosierHoops

And what about mark Cuban? He grad's from IU.. creates a website with real time sports broadcasts and sells it to Yahoo.com for 1 billon dollars...and buys a basketball team.. Mark is great!

Yes, yes he is. Why the hell does he not love America? I really hope he is successful in buying the Cubs and finds someone to buy his B-Ball club in Dallas - one that I can reconcile with. Apologies to Cubs fans though none is needed - he will work like crazy to bring you a winner.

re: #135 MandyManners

Kids will say things you will chuckle over for weeks. A recent conversation with my son (age 3):

"What's that, Daddy?"

"Um, that's my nipple."

"Does it make milk?"

"No, Daddy nipples don't make milk."

"So it's just a decoration then?"

"Yeah, just a decoration."

Why?

re: #141 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm impressed that he knows to be concerned!

I'm glad all is well know. Did he need stitches?

I have no idea how he knows about radiation and the effects. Well, I take that back. He watches all kinds of things on TV and he reads a lot.

No stitches this time.

re: #143 Occasional Reader

My Dad, who went to Catholic school, told me that a classmate of his, upon being informed by the nun/teacher that dogs don't have souls and therefore won't be in Heaven, stubbornly and loudly maintained that in that case, he didn't want to go to Heaven.

Bad, bad nun. Very bad nun. Very bad.

re: #113 CapeCoddah

LOL, try Massachusetts!

LOL, so I've heard. But I haven't lived in three states overrun by Massachutsecans (?not sure what they are?)

re: #134 Kenneth

"Theory" means acceptable until a better theory takes its place.
But every scientific "truth" always rests on a theory. Newton's theory of motion was disproved by Einstein's theory of relativity. A theory is never absolute.
Understanding of the theory of evolution makes the average person feel so clever. That's why people cling to it. Belief that God created a human being in one fell swoop is too simple a concept for people to appreciate.

re: #151 HoosierHoops

oh lawd Doctor.. I have friends that downloaded every song known to man when Napster was in the hey day..
But nobody gets through the firewall...
regards doc

"HH" -

ROTFLAMO regarding Napster in the old days - AND - the times I had to purge my boss's daughter's computer after extended "Morpheus" and like sessions.

-S-

re: #148 CapeCoddah

OK, now, that's funny! thank god he is OK, Mandy! I remember once years ago, when my youngest daughter was maybe 4, we were at a gas station, and the folks at the pump next to us were Asian. The terror leaned out the window, and asked the gentleman if he worked in a Chinese restaurant!. I almost died, but, he thought it was hilarious, and told me not to be embarrassed, he had little ones too!

Kids can be a blessing when it comes to cross-cultural understanding.

re: #155 Kenneth

re: #135 MandyManners

Kids will say things you will chuckle over for weeks. A recent conversation with my son (age 3):

"What's that, Daddy?"

"Um, that's my nipple."

"Does it make milk?"

"No, Daddy nipples don't make milk."

"So it's just a decoration then?"

"Yeah, just a decoration."

Why?

**************
What was your answer to that one?!

Yes, yes he is. Why the hell does he not love America
why do you say that? I have never read anything that would imply mark doesn't love america...he may have little bit different political view..I'm sure he loves america..
You know how those bitch billionaires are..sometimes you just got to slap em down.. I'm kidding.. I'm sure mark loves america..

re: #159 yehoshua

"Theory" means acceptable until a better theory takes its place.
But every scientific "truth" always rests on a theory. Newton's theory of motion was disproved by Einstein's theory of relativity. A theory is never absolute.
Understanding of the theory of evolution makes the average person feel so clever. That's why people cling to it. Belief that God created a human being in one fell swoop is too simple a concept for people to appreciate.

Well, Newton's laws are used most of the time, because Einstein's effects are quite small at normal speeds. Newton wasn't wrong, his theories are an approximation, and a quite good one for most uses.

And if G-d created Man in "one fell swoop" why did He leave evidence otherwise? Is He vindictive?
I think he created Man via evolution, and left us the evidence to help us understand Him better.

re: #124 NY Nana

Hmmm, I wonder if this has any relation to Lao Stinky...just curious.

"Who wants to eat stinky tofu that does not stink?"

LOL!

re: #146 Josephine

Why would God have allowed you to be so wrong when all you wanted to do was serve Him?

Hhmm, automatons that are programmed to do what ever you say -v/s- creatures that choose to follow you?

I do not pretend to know the mind of G-d, yet if we are in his image, we might at least be able to understand the basic reasons? Hopefully....

re: #158 Mars Needs Neocons

Taxed to death, that's why they flee! NOW, our esteemed governor, "Give it away all" Deval, or "Cadillac Deval" wants to raise revenue by installing satellite trackers on every car, and charging us a $.05 per mile road use fee. In which case, I will be fleeing to a state near you!

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

— Lao Stinky

I agree.

...but it seems to me that if you believe in both, then you believe in intelligent design.

/...I have not read any comments on this thread.

re: #138 karmic_inquisitor

The ice in glaciers represents more water. If all the glaciers in the world melted, the sea level would rise by some 160 cm.

re: #164 Kosh's Shadow

And if G-d created Man in "one fell swoop" why did He leave evidence otherwise? Is He vindictive?

Hhhmm, like today's earlier thread that consists of most of a head and a few limb bones?

re: #104 Sharmuta

I'll be back.

Gee- I think he's saying that for him, he's most comfortable as an atheist.

I've also read accounts of islamic apostates becoming atheists. Is this to say that any muslim looking critically at islam is going to end up an atheist?

re: #106 CapeCoddah

He is saying that was HIS personal feeling on the matter. Believing in evolution did not make me an atheist.

Ah! Remember he is the most eminent evolutionary biologist we have and he said this:

understanding evolution led me to atheism.

Here are two numbers for you:

95: percentage of liberals who believe in the theory of evolution

5: percentage of conservatives who believe in the theory of evolution

re: #167 CapeCoddah

Taxed to death, that's why they flee! NOW, our esteemed governor, "Give it away all" Deval, or "Cadillac Deval" wants to raise revenue by installing satellite trackers on every car, and charging us a $.05 per mile road use fee. In which case, I will be fleeing to a state near you!

You're welcome and bring any ideological friends you may.

re: #161 MandyManners

Mandy, you are lucky to have a boy. Try having 2 girls. After I put them to bed, I used to sit by myself in a corner of the basement , rocking back and forth and practice hangman's noose tying, in case the day came when I just could not take it any more. Girls are rough! (and that is being polite!)
Now, I'm overjoyed my oldest had a girl. JUSTICE IS ON THE WAY!

re: #163 HoosierHoops

Yes, yes he is. Why the hell does he not love America
why do you say that? I have never read anything that would imply mark doesn't love america...he may have little bit different political view..I'm sure he loves america..
You know how those bitch billionaires are..sometimes you just got to slap em down.. I'm kidding.. I'm sure mark loves america..

Exhibit A : Redacted

/I'm not so sure.

re: #172 yehoshua

Here are two numbers for you:

95: percentage of liberals who believe in the theory of evolution

5: percentage of conservatives who believe in the theory of evolution

That's utter bullshit, and you know it.

Anyone who's interest has been piqued by the Supreme Court decisions coming down the last couple of days should check out two books that I am very fond of:

Scalia Dissents: Writings of the Wittiest, Most Outspoken Justice by Kevin A. Ring

and

Men In Black: How the Supreme Court Is Destroying America by Mark Levin

Great reads.

About "Before the Beginning" -- I posted this on that ID thread a couple of days ago. I'll repeat it:

With respect to scientific cosmology...there are a number of resources available. Martin Rees (a British cosmologist and astrophysicist) wrote (for lay people) "Before the Beginning" (in 1997). In "Before the Beginning" Rees does ask the question -- what was before the Big Bang? (might add, that there are theories about an expansionary universe, followed by a contraction (the contraction phase is referred to by "the big crunch" -- after the big crunch comes a singularity -- a Big Bang -- thus, the universe is oscillating.)

Brian Greene in "The Elegant Universe" also devotes a chapter to "Reflections on Cosmology." (In this chapter, Greene puts "the Big Bang to the test"). Greene also addresses the question of "Before the beginning?" Greene writes: "...Gasperini and Veneziano suggest there there may be a whole prehistory to the universe -- starting long before what we have so far been called time zero -- that leads up to the Planckian cosmic embryo. In this so-called pre-big bang scenario, the universe began in a vastly different state than it does in the big bang framework...The pre-big bang scenario...has already generated a significant amount of heated, yet fruitful debate..." (p. 362).

Also, the Bell Curve is bunk -- repeat -- it's Bunk...(The Bell Curve won an Ignoble Prize a decade or so ago.)

Well i just check in... The same tonight! Oh well, see ya tomorrow!Sweet, i mean weet dreams to all!

re: #171 Psaturn

So, he is still just a fallible human being. We are all different, and believe different things. one situation will affect 100 people 100 different ways. It means nothing, except that was HIS personal belief. Nothing more than that.

re: #176 Cartman

That's utter bullshit, and you know it.

That sounds like one of those surveys I always get.

"Would you like to take a survey?"
"Sure"
"What political party are you with for our information?"
"Republican"
"Thank you for your time...click"

7 times in 3 years.

re: #172 yehoshua

Here are two numbers for you:

95: percentage of liberals who believe in the theory of evolution

5: percentage of conservatives who believe in the theory of evolution

You're kidding, right?

re: #179 beachkatie

Don't go - help turn the tide?

re: #175 The Shadow Do

Exhibit A : Redacted

/I'm not so sure.

Hey.. I couldn't follow your link...help me out here

re: #177 freedombilly

Anyone who's interest has been piqued by the Supreme Court decisions coming down the last couple of days should check out two books that I am very fond of:

Scalia Dissents: Writings of the Wittiest, Most Outspoken Justice by Kevin A. Ring

and

Men In Black: How the Supreme Court Is Destroying America by Mark Levin

Great reads.

Haven't read #1
Loved #2

Evolution

re: #181 Mars Needs Neocons

I get those "scientific" polls, too.

re: #183 slokat
I don't see changing any one's mind on this idea of theory!

re: #188 beachkatie

Was talking about changing minds... just changing the topic!

If more of us talked about something else, then the discussion would evolve to accommodate our new environment that we designed...

re: #166 slokat

I'm sorry but I don't understand your comment.

re: #146 Josephine

I would say the majority of apostate muslims convert to Christianity, but the book, Leaving Islam has quite a few essays from muslims who are now atheists. And that was my point- not all apostate muslims will choose the same path- as is the same for evolution believing scientists. To try to use Dawkins to somehow smear evolutionary biologists is just unfair.

re: #152 MandyManners

What's he saying?!

I will make easy for you.

I got now idea what he said, except, 6D9, jumped out and, therfore, reading in context I assume the whole thing is "pillow talk", as they say in the orient.

re: #189 slokat

Wasn't talking about changing minds... just changing the topic!/blockquote>

what I thought I had created....

re: #191 Sharmuta

Good point.

Bloody heck it sure is Friday afternoon, PIMF "now idea" should be "no idea"

re: #174 CapeCoddah

Mandy, you are lucky to have a boy. Try having 2 girls. After I put them to bed, I used to sit by myself in a corner of the basement , rocking back and forth and practice hangman's noose tying, in case the day came when I just could not take it any more. Girls are rough! (and that is being polite!)
Now, I'm overjoyed my oldest had a girl. JUSTICE IS ON THE WAY!

Part of me would've loved to have had a girl. Most girls are eager to please and don't like messes.

I was not one of those girls.

It really doesn't matter. I'm thrilled that I have a healthy and happy child!

re: #171 Psaturn

AND THAT IS HIS OPINION!

It's very disingenuous of you and others to try to smear science because of one man's opinion.

re: #180 CapeCoddah

So, he is still just a fallible human being. We are all different, and believe different things. one situation will affect 100 people 100 different ways. It means nothing, except that was HIS personal belief. Nothing more than that.

I understand what you are saying...

Unfortunately, he is actively attacking believers and making comments about their beliefs.

He wrote the book God Delusion.

Dawkins said this in [Link: richarddawkins.net...]

In 2001, the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) based in the City University of New York, reported some surprising figures. The great majority of the US adult population call themselves Christian: 160 million adults. But what group takes second place? Jews? No. For all their formidable electoral clout, the 2.8 million Jews are massively outnumbered by the nearly 30 million non-religious or secular Americans. Organizing atheists is like herding cats. But if the unbelievers of America could only get their act together a tenth as effectively as the legendarily powerful Jewish lobby, what might they not achieve? Maybe at least some candidates for high office would gain the courage to tell us what they truly believe. And still get elected.

re: #190 Josephine

I'm sorry but I don't understand your comment.

Darn... wasn't trying to be obtuse.
Too simple version: Why is it God's fault?

re: #171 Psaturn

"him" is the operative word. Many here have stated that believe in evolution didn't lead them to atheism. Are you calling them liars? Are you insinuating that they're not "true" believers?

In science, when the same input (belief in evolution) leads to opposite outputs (faith retained vs. atheism) the variable is considered NON-CAUSAL.

What is your person opinion of those who maintain that they believe in god and evolution (don't copy and paste someone elses opinion)?

re: #186 buddyg

Evolution

I could drive that. In fact, I could drive both (not at the same time, mind, that would be taking evolution to the extreme)

I love that quote from "Lao Stinky."

I still get to be a Christian and believe in Evolutionary Theories for life on Earth.

It's my belief system. You enjoy yours.

re: #198 Psaturn

Now you're just pissing me off.

re: #182 freedombilly

Let's just say that far, far more liberals than conservatives believe in the theory of evolution.

re: #172 yehoshua

Did you just make those numbers up? Because the 95:5 and 5:95 coincidence is just a wee bit too cute to be believed.

re: #189 slokat

OK'! Michelle is collecting For our troops care packages ! It last till 11:00pm tonight! Hot air .com!

re: #204 yehoshua

OK, now how does that justify your falsification of data?

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Hey.. I couldn't follow your link...help me out here

DePalma film funded and produced by Cuban. Message: American soldiers are terrorists.

link

re: #68 ted

Chan eil mi gur tuigsinn.

re: #204 yehoshua

Let's just say that far, far more liberals than conservatives believe in the theory of evolution.

Well, that's just a tad different that 5%, isn't it?

re: #165 Josephine

"Who wants to eat stinky tofu that does not stink?"

LOL!

And this:

[...]"Their stinky tofu really stinks very bad. Once my schoolmate rode a bus passing our neighbourhood, he could smell the stink from inside the bus," a high school student was quoted on a television broadcast.

Stinky tofu lovers fear that authorities' crackdown on the delicacy on air pollution grounds may lead to the closure of many stinky tofu shops and roadside stalls.

Cable TV channel TVBS reported that Kuang Tou Lao is not the smelliest stinky tofu restaurant in Taipei. TVBS showed an unnamed stinky tofu vendor who rubs a type of smelly gravel onto the tofu to make it more pungent.

Stinky tofu originated in southern China. Vendors store tofu in a jar to make it ferment and then fry the tofu cubes in hot oil, making the bean curd white and soft inside but golden and crispy outside.

In Taiwan, a plate of stinky tofu costs about T$30. It is eaten together with soy sauce, chilly sauce, garlic sauce and pickled cabbage.[...]

/Dinner, anyone? Yoo, hoo, Stinky?

re: #206 beachkatie

OK'! Michelle is collecting For our troops care packages ! It last till 11:00pm tonight! Hot air .com!

Anybody watch Army Wifes? My wife and I do. I think
it's well written and doesn't make the soldiers out to be victims.

Public health experts use the term "men who have sex with men," or MSM, because many of these men are not strictly homosexual or even bisexual.

Front page of MSNBC on escalation of HIV cases in men who have sex with men. So read it wondering why they didn't use the term homosexual. So if having sex with the same sex isn't homosexual WTF is it?

re: #210 Cartman
Real numbers for you....
Republicans, Democrats Differ on Creationism

There is a significant political divide in beliefs about the origin of human beings, with 60% of Republicans saying humans were created in their present form by God 10,000 years ago, a belief shared by only 40% of independents and 38% of Democrats.

re: #198 Psaturn

I truly dislike Dawkins for a number of reasons:

1. His arrogance.
2. His militant anti-religious ideology he calls "atheism". THe man is a as vehemently militant as any true beleiver ever was.
3. And now I can add, his anti-Semitism.

re: #206 beachkatie

cool re: care packages!

I'm not sure I ever read which beach is referenced in your nic?re: #212 NonNativeTexan

re: #146 Josephine

I don't know, Shar. I've read articles that have stated that large numbers of Muslims are converting to Christianity. (I followed other people's links and didn't save them.)

It's possible that, after being out of Islam for a few years, some might feel that they are able to trust another religious institution again.

It is extremely painful and psychologically disconcerting to have truly believed in something only to learn that you were completely wrong. If you truly believed in God but followed a bad teaching, what does that say about God? Why would God have allowed you to be so wrong when all you wanted to do was serve Him? It can be a shattering experience after which the only alternative for some might be to turn away from religion completely.

That is the double-edged sword of God's greatest gift that most, even spiritual people fail to understand. His greatest gift besides life, is the right of free will. Even the angels don't have that right. We have the right to make the wrong decisions. The negative side to that is that God will gently and subtly give us a glimpse into His will for us, but he ain't letting us cheat on the test. with free will comes the test of faith. He will not twart His greatest gift to us!

re: #204 yehoshua

Let's just say that far, far more liberals than conservatives believe in the theory of evolution.

That is at least a starting point for a discussion. I just wondered where you got the numbers for 95% of liberals and 5% of conservatives believing in evolution. I wouldn't argue a huge slant towards liberals believing in evolution but my gut tells me that it is no where near to that degree.

re: #204 yehoshua

Umm... the official Muslim view is anti-eveolution too. They have their own ID explanation for fossils.

re: #192 A Kiwi Infidel

I will make easy for you.

I got now idea what he said, except, 6D9, jumped out and, therfore, reading in context I assume the whole thing is "pillow talk", as they say in the orient.

Should I blush?

my computer is getting ahead of my fingers tonight.... blending and editing my posts.

Hope it's not approaching singularity....

re: #205 Kenneth

Did you just make those numbers up? Because the 95:5 and 5:95 coincidence is just a wee bit too cute to be believed.

This is not the first time that Kenneth has made my point for me a wee bit more articulately than I have.

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Hey! What happened to Buddha/Hitchens?

re: #221 slokat

OT, cool pic. Did you take it?

re: #216 slokat

cool re: care packages!

I'm not sure I ever read which beach is referenced in your nic?re: #212 NonNativeTexan

beachkatie..
I was trying to help change the subject...

re: #197 Sharmuta

AND THAT IS HIS OPINION!

It's very disingenuous of you and others to try to smear science because of one man's opinion.

Sharmuta...Dawkins apparently is using his platform as a scientist to advance atheism.

I am not doing the smearing of science (remember, I am a scientist myself).

By the way, Jerry Coyne (famous from the last thread on Behe) and Richard Dawkins wrote an article together...

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

re: #210 Cartman

Also see: breakdown by religion
Christians and Muslims are at the bottom of the list.

re: #212 NonNativeTexan

Only army wives I've watched is some of our locals waiting for their soldier to come home... (not on tv).

re: #214 Killgore Trout

I was just pointing out that the 5% figure thrown out here was nonsense. I knew it without having to look it up.

re: #228 slokat

Only army wives I've watched is some of our locals waiting for their soldier to come home... (not on tv).

I can understand that..

re: #223 paxnhymn

I was being hassled for anti-Catholic rhetoric so I had to "change".

re: #212 NonNativeTexan

I guess i need to turn the tube on again to see that world again.....hunh?

re: #232 beachkatie

I guess i need to turn the tube on again to see that world again.....hunh?

Mostly a waste of time, but it's kinda like a fireplace, it's just
on in the background.

re: #224 Dan G.

OT, cool pic. Did you take it?

if you are talking about my lizard self taking a drink... wish I could say yes. But, found it on a Russian photography fanzine site.

re: #208 The Shadow Do

DePalma film funded and produced by Cuban. Message: American soldiers are terrorists.

link

Cuban not doubt produced some movies..some not so smart..or pc.
If i have a billion dollars to invest..well besides he condo in turtle bay HI..the vineyard in Napa and the ranch in Indiana.. I might produce a few crummy movies..but i doubt it.
I think our local boy loves america..i really do

re: #215 Kenneth

I don't like him either, and in no way do I want my previous comments to be misconstrued as some sort of defense of him. However- he is entitled, just as much as the rest of us are, to come to whatever conclusion(s) regarding Faith as the next person.

As I was trying to get at before, some people's path to atheism stems from islamic apostasy. They found the koran irrational, and apply the same logic to the Bible. That's how it works for them, and as an American, I'll grant them that. Do I agree with them- no, but they have that right in my mind. So too does Dawkins, and I disagree with him on Faith as well. We all come to grips with matters of Faith in our own way, on our own path. To try to use science as a club to beat people over the head that it's somehow atheistic because of one man's opinion is disingenuous, to say the least.

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I was being hassled for anti-Catholic rhetoric so I had to "change".

ohhh...I see...pissin' on peoples shoes again, I see.LOL! Well, hell, I'm accused of being anti-RC every week and I was one for 30 years, so welcome to the club, my friend.

re: #226 Psaturn

And Dawkins' smear (and it is a smear, not an argument) is very unscientific. That's the thing I resent most about him. He wears his lab coat like a vestiment, making theological arguments which he pretends are scientific reasoning.

re: #233 NonNativeTexan
Iv'e heard that same background noise too! ;)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was hydrogen."

re: #231 Killgore Trout

I was being hassled for anti-Catholic rhetoric so I had to "change".

Trying to figure out what fossil evidence would have been found that supports that change...

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re: #238 Kenneth

And Dawkins' smear (and it is a smear, not an argument) is very unscientific. That's the thing I resent most about him. He wears his lab coat like a vestiment, making theological arguments which he pretends are scientific reasoning.

I really think dawkins is more a secular humanist, and that IS a religion into itself....

re: #198 Psaturn

Again, HIS PERSONAL OPINION. I don't give a shit what he thinks! I am a firm believer in evolution. I am a firm believer in god. MY PERSONAL OPINION! this is a ridiculous argument. I believe what I believe, and he is wrong about me. I am sure I am not the only person who disagrees with his conclusions. You can re-post it as often as you wish, but my answer will not change. Just because he said it, does not make it true. Kinda like if, in my opinion, I believe the sky is green. I would be wrong, no matter haw many arguments I put forth to try and prove my point. What he believes, personally, has no effect whatsoever on what I believe, period!

re: #199 slokat

Darn... wasn't trying to be obtuse.
Too simple version: Why is it God's fault?

I'm not saying it would be God's fault. It depends on how much you believe God is involved in your day-to-day life.

If you ask God every day to lead you in the right way and you trust Him to do so, but He allows you to follow a false teaching or bad interpretation, then it would follow (in the minds of some) that He did not care enough to make sure you found the right teaching, that He abandoned you despite the love in your heart for Him and your honest desire to follow Him.

re: #240 Kreuzueber Halbmond
you SURE IT WASN'T NITROGEN?

re: #236 Sharmuta

Yes, Dawkins has the right to say & write what he does, even if he abuses his position as a respected scientist to make unscientific ideological arguments against religion.

re: #226 Psaturn

If you're looking for me to defend Dawkins past his right to believe in God or not, you will be sorely disappointed.

It's pretty sad that you'd take issue with Dawkins using science as a platform to promote his agenda, but constantly turn around to use DI talking points when they do the same thing.

re: #222 freedombilly

You are too kind, sir.

Creation/ Evolution continuum.

It's not a dichotomy.

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Cuban not doubt produced some movies..some not so smart..or pc.
If i have a billion dollars to invest..well besides he condo in turtle bay HI..the vineyard in Napa and the ranch in Indiana.. I might produce a few crummy movies..but i doubt it.
I think our local boy loves america..i really do

Crap..that was horrible english..
So i'm saying wth a billion dollars i would buy a napa vineyard..a condo in HI. a ranch in Indiana..and produce a few stupid movies..
That doesn't mean he hates america..he was just trying to make a buck..
/ i just threw up a little in my mouth

re: #246 Kenneth

He does himself and science a disservice just as much as the IDers do themselves, science and God a disservice.

re: #174 CapeCoddah

3 sons were so much easier to bring up than our 1 daughter...but now that she is happily married, and has a nearly 22 month old toddler son? Now? She is a different person, and the kind of mother every kid should have, and I actually know something! ;) She and our son in law are the very best of parents.

I nearly fainted the first time she asked for advice. I promise you, it does get better. I used to feel like I belonged in the NY State Home for the Terminally Stupid™!

Your girls will appreciate you...now they are testing their boundaries, and they would not unless they felt very secure.

Good luck!

re: #196 MandyManners

That is all that counts. I love my girls to distraction, even though there were times... I do wish I had had a boy, though, in addition. But, it was not to be. I am holding out hope for a grandson one day, although the granddaughter is just a blast! It is so cool to have her call me what I called my beloved great grandmother.

re: #251 Sharmuta

Yup. Two sides of the same coin.

re: #200 Dan G.

"him" is the operative word. Many here have stated that believe in evolution didn't lead them to atheism. Are you calling them liars? Are you insinuating that they're not "true" believers?

In science, when the same input (belief in evolution) leads to opposite outputs (faith retained vs. atheism) the variable is considered NON-CAUSAL.

What is your person opinion of those who maintain that they believe in god and evolution (don't copy and paste someone elses opinion)?

Hi DanG..

That is why I made one word that Dawkins used BOLD...re: #200 Dan G.

About

What is your person opinion of those who maintain that they believe in god and evolution (don't copy and paste someone elses opinion)?

Since I have a degree in Biology, I am familiar with evolution and I understand the nuances of evolution.

I have no argument with micro evolution...it has been supported beyond the shadow of doubt. Any religious believers that think otherwise would be wrong.

It is the MACRO aspect that is the challenging part. Even Coyne said it in the infamous quote that Behe quoted and left the rest out. The quote that Behe left out was this

its theoretical foundations and the experimental evidence supporting it are weak, and there is no doubt that mutations of large effect are sometimes important in adaptation.

We hasten to add, however, that we are not “macromutationists” who believe that adaptations are nearly always based on major genes. The neo-Darwinian view could well be correct. It is almost certainly true, however, that some adaptations involve many genes of small effect and others involve major genes. The question we address is, How often does adaptation involve a major gene? We hope to encourage evolutionists to reexamine this neglected question and to provide the evidence to settle it.

Every Obama supporter is an advocate for evolution. Every PETA fanatic is a fanatic advocate for evolution. After all, every furry creature has the same rights as you or I, is part of the same chain of being as you and I. Let's not drill for oil in Alaska because we would be violating the rights of some furry creature, even as poor people cannot pay for gas and we enrich terrorist anti-American regimes with U.S. petrodollars.

I got told point blank over beer this evening: "the only reason that we have high gas prices is that GWB quit pursuing alternatives 15 years ago".

I asked which alternatives & was told "alternative fuels, solar & electricity"

So I replied - ethanol & food shortages, solar to do what? and how are you making the electricity?

Blank stare, until his phone rang and he had to go outside to talk....

re: #238 Kenneth

And Dawkins' smear (and it is a smear, not an argument) is very unscientific. That's the thing I resent most about him. He wears his lab coat like a vestiment, making theological arguments which he pretends are scientific reasoning.

I understand what you are saying.

Unfortunately he is what the religious people epitomize the scientist as...