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Overnight Open Thread

Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:27:55 pm PDT

The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either case, tyrant or martyr, he is a monster.

— E. M. Cioran

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1 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:29:24pm

Where do you come up with these great quotes?

2 Carridine  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:29:35pm

See yez from home!

3 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:31:08pm

Obama-mania. MSM fanaticism.

4 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:32:09pm

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

5 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:33:56pm

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?

6 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:35:57pm

"there is no present-day politician that I see as more sympathetic and admirable than Hitler"E.M. Cioran
While expressing his approval for the Night of the Long Knives — "what has humanity lost if the lives of a few imbeciles were taken"
E.M. Cioran

He knew something about tyrants

7 BGOH  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:36:14pm

FWIW, I'm open overnight, too.

8 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:38:15pm

re: #1 Typicalwhitey

Where do you come up with these great quotes?

I think I read that quote in a fortune cookie. Anyone notice that fortune cookies don't tell your fortune anymore? The give advice. But I guess "advice cookies" doesn't have the same name recognition.

9 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:00pm

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

10 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:38pm

re: #4 slokat

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

If he's dumb enough to throw me under the bus, he'll never see his muffler bering again.

11 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:48pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....

12 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:40:07pm

Thanks to a Lizard who will remain nameless, I now have Primus on the brain.

13 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:40:55pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?


I'm partial to the 500 S&W.

:)

14 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:15pm
for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
15 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:21pm

re: #10 TrollBot PrtoType Six

the oiled muffler bearing, or the sealed muffler bearing?
//

16 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:38pm

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire

17 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:07pm

Hey, I think I found the Obama campaign song!

18 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:42pm

re: #11 slokat

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....

I wish it was that easy.

/The good ol' days!

19 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:42pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

20 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:59pm

re: #15 slokat

the oiled muffler bearing, or the sealed muffler bearing?
//

No preference, I enjoy munching on either type.
// {;-)™

21 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't agree with much of anything E.M. Cioran wrote, he was a self described "Hitlerist"

22 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:28pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

I think the quote is referring a fanatic being one who kills for the idea...

23 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:36pm

re: #17 RememberSekhmet?

Hey, I think I found the Obama campaign song!

You mean it's not the Who's "Magic Bus"?

24 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

...and who'd watch the "Wheel of Advice"?

25 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:44:19pm

re: #14 psaturn

I dunno who said it, but:

"He who lives by the sword, gets shot be he who doesn't."

:D :D :D :D

26 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:44:55pm

re: #25 NomadOfNorad

I dunno who said it, but:

"He who lives by the sword, gets shot be he who doesn't."

:D :D :D :D

Here here!

27 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:47:58pm

re: #21 Neo Con since 9-11

I don't agree with much of anything E.M. Cioran wrote, he was a self described "Hitlerist"

Wow...you are right!

And also:

Although Cioran was never a member of the group, it was during this time in Romania that he began taking an interest in the ideas put forth by the Iron Guard - a far right organization whose nationalist ideology he supported until the early years of World War II, despite allegedly disapproving of their violent methods.

28 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:01pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

29 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:09pm

Hackers break into Hamas website

A ring-wing Israeli group hacked into websites of organizations and activist groups Thursday, including those of the armed wing of Hamas, Izzadin Kassam, and left-wing Israeli organizations. The group of hackers, calling themselves the 'Extremist Zealots,' boasted that they had broken into numerous sites.

Izzadin Kassam's site displayed a blank white screen and Hebrew text notifying of a technical error.

The websites of Arab Israeli political party Balad, and left-wing activist groups 'Hagada Hasmolanit' and 'Occupation' featured a black background with an Israeli flag, and the emblem of the 'Extremist Zealots' group, similar to that of Meir Kahane's Kach movement.

/with screenshots

30 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:27pm

"Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone renounced violence forever? I could then conquer the whole stupid planet with just a butter knife."

--Anonymous

31 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:53pm

I am deeply thankful for all of the brave men and woman who have served, and those who gave their lives for our freedoms.

The idea of freedom is a good one, and worth fighting and dying for.

32 RTLM  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:49:32pm

Damn - I hadn't thought about or listened to George Carlin ii the last several years. Now that he's gone I'm thinking about and listening and missing him a lot.

It was the same fpor me with Charles Schulz.

33 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:35pm

re: #30 NomadOfNorad

That might have been Marvin Martian....

But truly, if no one will fight the bully gets his way.

34 tradewind  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:48pm

So true...... another gem from the funniest man in the world.........
Someone should send a copy to the Times-Picayune, although Nagin probably wouldn't get it.
[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

35 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:56pm

"They change the skies but not themselves, those who travel over the seas."---Homer, I believe.

"Wherever you go, there you are."---a wise Muppet.

36 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:51:24pm

re: #16 Dustyvet

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire

Sounds an awful lot like "voted for, before voted against" to me!

37 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:22pm

5-4 Supreme court judges are fanatics.

38 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:34pm

"Academics are a herd of independent thinkers."

--Anonymous

39 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:41pm

re: #36 LeePro

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire


Sounds an awful lot like "voted for, before voted against" to me!

Sounds a lot like a certain four and sometimes five Supreme Court "Justices".

The four and a half leftist kooks.

40 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:46pm

re: #28 slokat

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

There's the msm and Wesley Clark.

41 StudSupreme  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:29pm

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

42 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:43pm

"Wherever I'm at, that's the place to be."

- some fool who can make a party outta nuthin'.

43 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:56pm

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

44 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:55:22pm

re: #11 slokat

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....


re: #18 Bob in Breckenridge

I wish it was that easy.

/The good ol' days!

Reminds me of one afternoon years ago... had to "remind" my mom (R.I.P.) that I was 54 and she could stop "teaching me" now.

45 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:56:53pm

If there was a best out of nine tournament and you one 5-4 they'd call you the champion, not say it was a split decision, let's here from the losers...

/just my observation.

issue never should've had to go to SCOTUS in the first place, hurray for checks & balances!

46 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:02pm

It seems that anyone who stands up and wants to support the constitution in it's true context is labeled as a fanatic or an extremist.

47 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:16pm

I'm tired one = won

goodnight!

48 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:55pm

"Men use thought only as authority for injustice, and employ speech only to conceal their thoughts."
--Voltaire

49 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #46 Egfrow

"A right is not what someone gives you, it's what no one can take from you."
--Ramsey Clark

50 desertdweller  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:04:40pm

Over $1M donated in care packages in today's telethon. UstreamTV had only a few glitches, there were about 2,500 to 3,000 concurrent viewers of the video stream while I watched, and 1,000 in the chat room.

Congratulations, an internet first!

51 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:04:49pm

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

Ramsey Clark, Always speaks without regard to morality his definition is surely not mine. His version of rights are 'do what ever you want.'

52 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:03pm

re: #4 slokat

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

over turn the bus..... %-)

53 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:12pm

CHARLIE DANIELS ON OBAMA

Guns and Church

Since I identify with the people who fall into Barrack Obama's elitist description about people of faith who keep firearms I'm not very happy with Barrack Obama's recent remarks.

He said something to the effect that us rednecks cling to our guns and our religion when we get frustrated and I would like to take umbrage to these remarks. My faith goes much deeper than his superficial explanation and I love my guns even when I'm not frustrated.

And I am not by myself. I was going to church and shooting guns before Mr. Obama was even born and come from a long line of good people who have been doing it for generations.

To me this latest Obama blunder only helps reveal the depth of condescension the far left wing of the Democrat party has for the folks out here in flyover country.

Mr. Obama's remarks are insulting to a lot of folks. It's kind of like Abraham Lincoln said, 'God must love the common people because he made so many of them'.

His remarks make me think that Obama doesn't know the people of this country very well. I'm sure he knows the jet set and the Hollywood bunch, the limousine liberals and the save the whales, kill the babies crowd, but does he think that the ordinary people don't count? Does he think that they're so stupid that they don't know who he's talking about when he says these things? Does he think their opinions aren't important? Apparently.

How can a man stand in front of America and tell people what he wants to do for them and have so little respect for a whole segment of the population. In fact, a very large segment. Does that mean that he would only represent the high-minded liberal ideals of the far left and ignore the rest of us?

What kind of Commander and Chief would he make if he doesn't respect the very people who make up the lion's share of the armed forces.

You may say I'm over reacting, but I'm getting sick and tired of him making these elitist statements and saying that he had been taken out of context or some other flimsy excuse.

After his wife's remark about not being proud of this country and his pastor's statements calling America the U.S.K.K.K.A. and his own statement about not wanting his daughter punished with a baby, it makes me wonder what kind of a man Obama really is and what kind of a president he'd make.

Would he be an antigun advocate pushing the effort to take the firearms out of innocent citizen's hands? Would he not respect the religious beliefs of America, not taking them into account in his agenda?

I really don't know much about the man and neither does America. He basically came from out of nowhere and as the facts come out little by little, they don't make a particularly confident picture.

I have a great fear that if our military gets broken by another president, this time we're not going to have time to fix it again and what that spells for America, I don't even want to contemplate.

Oh well, I guess I'll grab my gun and go to church.

Pray for our troops.

54 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:59pm

re: #28 slokat

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

Great point!

55 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:04pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?

what are you pushing down the barrel? FMJ? JHP? SJHP? etc.....

56 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:37pm

re: #52 redc1c4

Hey red. It's poker night. In case I'm caught napping.

57 tradewind  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:48pm

re: #51 Egfrow

(But he did such a fabulous job for Saddam).

58 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:07:14pm

"Fire....BAD!"

-Frankenstein

59 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:08:10pm

I have an existential map, it has "you are here" written all over it.
--Steven Wright

60 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:09:05pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks to a Lizard who will remain nameless, I now have Primus on the brain.

po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play.

/white smoke %-)

61 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:09:35pm

Does anyone, except Bush, believe that OPEC is interested in lowering oil prices or futures?

62 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:10:25pm

"You can't change* film with a kid on your back".
-Roger Miller

*Drink!

63 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:10:41pm

re: #56 Mel Lono

Hey red. It's poker night. In case I'm caught napping.

lucky you.... i generally have to wait for weekend mornings.

/or were you talking about cards? %-)

64 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:11:41pm

"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."
--Henry Louis Mencken

65 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:13:56pm

Nice package!

/warning - shrinkage.

66 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:14:03pm

re: #41 StudSupreme

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"

67 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:15:30pm

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

awesome.

68 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:16:45pm

A quote that goes way over my head:

"po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play."

-redc1c4

Wahcu talkin' 'bout, Red?

69 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:03pm

re: #63 redc1c4

lucky you.... i generally have to wait for weekend mornings.

/or were you talking about cards? %-)

Morning wood is always good.

70 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:19pm

A woman goes to her boyfriend's parents' house for dinner. This is to be her first time meeting the family and she is very nervous.

They all sit down and begin eating a fine meal. The woman is beginning to feel a little discomfort, thanks to her nervousness and the broccoli casserole. The gas pains are almost making her eyes water. Left with no other choice, she decides to relieve herself a bit and lets out a dainty little fart.

It wasn't loud, but everyone at the table heard the poot. Before she even had a chance to be embarrassed, her boyfriend's father looked over at the dog that had been snoozing at the women's feet, and said in a rather stern voice, "Ginger!" The woman thought, "this is great!" and a big smile came across her face.

A couple minutes later, she was beginning to feel the pain again. This time, she didn't even hesitate. She let a much louder and longer fart rip. The father again looked at the dog and yelled, "dammit Ginger!" Once again the woman smiled and thought, "yes!"

A few minutes later the woman had to let another one rip. This time she didn't even think about it. She let rip with a fart that rivaled a train whistle blowing. Again, the father looked at the dog with disgust and yelled, "dammit Ginger, get away from her before she shits on you!"

71 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:30pm

re: #67 gop_patriot

{gop} ! ! !

Haven't seen you lately! How are you?

72 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:32pm

re: #66 rawmuse

You should always go to other people's funerals. Otherwise they won't come to yours.

73 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:04pm

re: #70 Racer X

A woman goes to her boyfriend's parents' house for dinner. This is to be her first time meeting the family and she is very nervous.

They all sit down and begin eating a fine meal. The woman is beginning to feel a little discomfort, thanks to her nervousness and the broccoli casserole. The gas pains are almost making her eyes water. Left with no other choice, she decides to relieve herself a bit and lets out a dainty little fart.

It wasn't loud, but everyone at the table heard the poot. Before she even had a chance to be embarrassed, her boyfriend's father looked over at the dog that had been snoozing at the women's feet, and said in a rather stern voice, "Ginger!" The woman thought, "this is great!" and a big smile came across her face.

A couple minutes later, she was beginning to feel the pain again. This time, she didn't even hesitate. She let a much louder and longer fart rip. The father again looked at the dog and yelled, "dammit Ginger!" Once again the woman smiled and thought, "yes!"

A few minutes later the woman had to let another one rip. This time she didn't even think about it. She let rip with a fart that rivaled a train whistle blowing. Again, the father looked at the dog with disgust and yelled, "dammit Ginger, get away from her before she shits on you!"

ROFLMAO!

74 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:30pm

re: #70 Racer X

ROFL!

75 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:38pm

Yogi Berra on jazz music

This one is one of my faves.

76 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:54pm

re: #41 StudSupreme

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

re: #66 rawmuse

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"

"You can't think and hit at the same time."
--Yogi Berra

77 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:06pm

He hits from both sides of the plate. He's amphibious. Yogi Berra

78 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:29pm

re: #71 LeePro

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

79 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:43pm

Yogi- "90% of the game is half mental."

80 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:59pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

A quote that goes way over my head:

"po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play."

-redc1c4

Wahcu talkin' 'bout, Red?


you said they were on your brain..... i was making a nasty crack about it's size.

/in good fun, of course. %-)

81 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:21:57pm

re: #79 Bob in Breckenridge

Yogi- "90% of the game is half mental."

If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else.
Yogi Berra

82 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:22:17pm

"All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it."

83 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:07pm

Yogi- Steve McQueen looks good in this movie. He must have made it before he died.

84 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:09pm

re: #75 rawmuse

Yogi Berra on jazz music

This one is one of my faves.

Hilarious!
Jazz, to me, sounds like when the orchestra is tuning up before the real concert.

85 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:24pm

It is a lot to wade through, but there is some real cognitive dissonance showing up at this bo.com comment thread.

"Out of curiosity, what is going on with folks today? Did I miss something? People are up in arms about the 2nd amendment ruling. People are up in arms about the FISA court thing (well, telecom civil immunity part) and people are just generally cranky. "

and

"Gun rights are a wedge issue and it will be successfully used against Democrats because it is always effective. I know the topic very well and I agree with Obama's statement on this ruling but it is backpedaling defensive and that always loses."

and

"If Sen. Obama represents "Change we can believe in," then why does he willingly accept telecom immunity for violators of the 4th amendment? Sen. Obama spoke about filibustering this bill if telecom immunity was present, and now he is betraying a promise he made? Be a leader, Sen. Obama! A leader takes a stand on principles! We do not need another politician! Do not dismiss the 4th amendment of the Constitution. Thank you,"

These are some of the voices. Many others on the thread just tell everyone else "donate!"

As time goes on and Obama weakens in their eyes they will lose some enthusiasm for him. That will undermine turnout, which is the only factor producing big poll numbers for him.

86 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:53pm

Hung Chow calls in to work and says, Hey, boss I not come work today, I really sick. I got headache, stomach ache and my legs hurt. I not come work.

The boss says, You know Hung Chow, I really need you today. When I feel like this I go to my wife and tell her give me sex. That makes everything better and I go work. You try that.

Two hours later Hung Chow calls again: Boss, I do what you say and I feel great. I be at work soon. You got nice house.

87 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:13pm

re: #82 rawmuse

Who was that? Doesn't sound like a Yogi quote... :D

88 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:53pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

anaphylaxis, based upon they symptoms and my personal experience...... what did they give you, and did they at least tell you to not take any more of the antibiotic? did you contact your pharmacy & primary care giver/prescriber?

btw: out of professional curiosity, what was the antibiotic?

/been there, done that x3.

89 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:55pm

Once, Yogi's wife Carmen asked, "Yogi, you are from St. Louis, we live in New Jersey, and you played ball in New York. If you go before I do, where would you like me to have you buried?" To this, Yogi replied, "Surprise me."

90 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:26:33pm

I'd find the fellow who lost it, and, if he was poor, I'd return it. (When asked what he would do if he found a million dollars.)

91 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:26:58pm

re: #87 NomadOfNorad

Yogi. yes.

92 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:11pm

re: #87 NomadOfNorad

Who was that? Doesn't sound like a Yogi quote... :D

[Link: www.hotsound.com...]


not hard to come up with this stuff

93 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:14pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

94 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:24pm

re: #85 karmic_inquisitor

Missed one (maybe the best) :

BHO,

Yet another issue where you ride the fence and wait to see what the response to your comments are.

As an Illinois senator from the Chicago area, your views on this and other issues are well known.... despite what you say.

My stomach is churning. It isn't from the deep dish pizza I just downed. It's from the stuff that comes from you.

Obama's act will wear thin with his whacko base - the whacko base that caucused for him and bought him a nomination.

After that you peel off a good % of the Hillary supporters and McCain is the next POTUS.

95 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:52pm

re: #84 LeePro

Hilarious!
Jazz, to me, sounds like when the orchestra is tuning up before the real concert.

i'm not that fond of jazz (except Dixieland) either...... but then again, i don't particularly like classical either.

/barbarian

96 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:04pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

OMG! ! ! That's AWFUL! Will pray - HARD! My daughter had a reaction to penicillin when she was an infant. Scary as shit!

I am fine. Dental work in coupla weeks. Ugh.

97 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:25pm

re: #80 redc1c4

you said they were on your brain..... i was making a nasty crack about it's size.

/in good fun, of course. %-)

OH! And I didn't even catch it. Double-zing!

Curse you, Red! I'll get you if it's the last thing I do.
/

98 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:39pm

I'd say he's done more than that. (When asked if first baseman Don Mattingly had exceeded expectations for the current season.)

99 mahatma coat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:44pm

good morning from a dreary ,cloudy Corcaigh..........excellent quote at the top

100 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:29:51pm

re: #95 redc1c4

i'm not that fond of jazz (except Dixieland) either...... but then again, i don't particularly like classical either.

/barbarian

Red - You gotta do New Orleans before you die. Just don't stay longer than 3 days or the odds will start running against you.

101 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:30:11pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

if you tell your pharmacy, they will screen for it in the future. also ask when you get your meds, and insist that you speak with a pharmacist. it's your right, at least here in CA.

you're luck to be alive, as am i. my allergy is due to w*rk place exposure, as are 2 of my reactions.

102 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:32:11pm

re: #100 Mel Lono

Red - You gotta do New Orleans before you die. Just don't stay longer than 3 days or the odds will start running against you.

been there, done that, more than once. Preservation Hall Jazz band is plyaing here in the Valley sunday night, if you're interested. 2H6 told me we're going. %-)

103 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:32:47pm

People usually get what is coming to them, unless it has been mailed
--anonymous

104 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:33:04pm

re: #101 redc1c4

if you tell your pharmacy, they will screen for it in the future. also ask when you get your meds, and insist that you speak with a pharmacist. it's your right, at least here in CA.

you're luck to be alive, as am i. my allergy is due to w*rk place exposure, as are 2 of my reactions.

Yeah, that was many moons ago, and every doc I go to gets the no-cephalosporins-I-so-effing-mean-it lecture ever since.

105 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:34:18pm

I'm about to fall over, y'all. Niters!

106 zombie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:34:52pm

re: #99 mahatma coat

good morning from a dreary ,cloudy Corcaigh..........

Here in northern California, we're living under thick atmospheric blanket of choking smoke. It's absolutely bizarre. The sun was deep red, still high in the sky, at 4 o'clock this afternoon, and by 6:30 or so -- still over two and a half hours before actual sunset -- the sun simply disappeared behind impenetrable layers of haze. Open any window and door, and the acrid smell of fire burns your nostrils. My smoke alarm has gone off twice already just from the air!

This has been going on for almost a week. Tomorrow is supposed to be even worse.

And yet there is no fire within 50 miles of where I currently am. It's the cumulative smoke of reportedly over 1000 smallish fires all over the state.

It's certainly one of the strangest "meteorological" periods I've ever witnessed around here.

There's no political dimension to any of this. Shocking, I know! Just a lot of smoke.

107 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:35:21pm

re: #88 redc1c4

anaphylaxis, based upon they symptoms and my personal experience...... what did they give you, and did they at least tell you to not take any more of the antibiotic? did you contact your pharmacy & primary care giver/prescriber?

btw: out of professional curiosity, what was the antibiotic?

/been there, done that x3.

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

108 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:35:25pm

re: #102 redc1c4

hmmm on my way back from Acton that night.

109 RedPepper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:36:08pm

“The man who promises everything is sure to fulfil nothing, and everyone who promises too much is in danger of using evil means in order to carry out his promises, and is already on the road to perdition.” ~ Carl Gustav Jung

/are you listening, BHO ?

110 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:37:17pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

Yikes! I took cephalo-something just a coupla weeks ago. No reaction for me, but yikes anyway!

111 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:38:49pm

re: #106 zombie

I am practically despondent over it. I love the outdoors, but I can't hack it lately. My dog misses our 4 mile hikes. It definitely is a bad time here.

112 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:39:12pm

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

OH! And I didn't even catch it. Double-zing!

Curse you, Red! I'll get you if it's the last thing I do.
/

Need any help?

/

113 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #104 RememberSekhmet?

Yeah, that was many moons ago, and every doc I go to gets the no-cephalosporins-I-so-effing-mean-it lecture ever since.

don't tell them "i don't do well"..... use the medical code word "anaphylactic reaction" *that* should do the trick.

114 mahatma coat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:21pm

106 zombie........I guess a bit of cloud isn't much to complain about 'but going hillwalking today and a bit of sun would have been nice.

115 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:48pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Scary! my penicillin reaction was pretty fast like that, but it just so happened that my mom, always prepared with her first aid kit, had diphenhydramine on her and gave me about 50mgs immediately. The doctor said it saved my life, we were way out on the beach (didn't used to put warning labels on meds about reactions to the sun) and hospital was miles away. :/
Glad you're OK!

re: #96 LeePro

(((LEE))) thanks so much, i wanted to come online and ask for prayers but the most I could manage was just to sort of lurk for a minute. :/ really, i was pathetic. miserable. Give me the good old flu any day over an allergic reaction. UGH

Praying for your dental stuff, that it will be easy and you'll recover very well. :)

116 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:42:53pm

Liberals: Liberals are trapped in a "vortex" of inner emotional turmoil from which logic and reality appear with aching appeal as tiny lights at the end of a very long tunnel . . .
---R. Heinlein

117 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:43:37pm

Maybe the reason the Obama people hide his real Birth Certificate is because the Doctor noted that he could cry and laugh at the same time.
/he has no principals. none

118 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:44:48pm

re: #106 zombie

that's awful. hope they get the fires out soon.

119 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:44:55pm

re: #107 gop_patriot

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

You're HERE?!?!?

W'll, dayum then!
Isn't there something I can do?
Anything?

You at parents' or girlfriend's?

120 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:50:05pm

Well, I'm bailing now before the matchsticks propping my eyelids open finally snap...

Night, lizards. Sweet dreams! :D

121 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:51:04pm

re: #119 LeePro

You're HERE?!?!?

W'll, dayum then!
Isn't there something I can do?
Anything?

You at parents' or girlfriend's?

I'm good, thank you! (((HUG))) :) that's awesome of you to offer; believe me, I would have absolutely called you if i needed more help.

fortunately, i have the parents, and in-laws. friend is a nurse, between them all I'm getting great care. Dh and two older kids went home, dh, and son had to work, dd went to camp for the weekend. i'm here with the 5 year old and the grandparents are doting on him, he's loving the attention.

lol i have had NO pride for a few days, just was about to go out of my mind. really, it made me nuts. you wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near me. ROFL

122 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:51:15pm

re: #86 Racer X

The local bar was so sure that its bartender was the strongest man around that they offered a standing $1000 bet. The bartender would squeeze a lemon until all the juice ran into a glass, and hand the lemon to a patron. Anyone who could squeeze one more drop of juice out would win the money. Many people had tried over time (weight-lifters, longshoremen, etc.) but nobody could do it.

One day this scrawny little man came into the bar, wearing thick glasses and a polyester suit, and said in a tiny squeaky voice " I'd like to try the bet" After the laughter had died down, the bartender said OK, grabbed a lemon,
and squeezed away. Then he handed the wrinkled remains of the rind to the little man.

But the crowd's laughter turned to total silence as the man clenched his fist around the lemon and six drops fell into the glass. As the crowd cheered, the bartender paid the $1000, and asked the little man "what do you do for a living? Are you a lumberjack, a weight-lifter, or what?" The man replied "I work for the IRS."

/sneak attack!

123 freetoken  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:52:03pm

Emile Cioran has many zingers attributed to him:

A civilization is destroyed only when its gods are destroyed.


God - a disease we imagine we are cured of because no one dies of it nowadays.


In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world.
124 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #107 gop_patriot

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

double check with your doc, but you're likely to be allergic to all "floxins" from now on..... make sure everyone (doc, pharmacists, family members) knows, and those that "can't remember" have it in writing so they can hand it over if you're unconscious or the ilk. allergy tags are a good idea too.

too bad about the Demerol though.... %-)

and from personal experience do *NOT* take caffeine in any form while you're on the steroids.....

/got a lot done that day. %-)

125 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #118 gop_patriot

that's awful. hope they get the fires out soon.

we're going to burn from now until the rains, if any, come this fall.....

126 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:55:53pm

re: #121 gop_patriot

I'm good, thank you! (((HUG))) :) that's awesome of you to offer; believe me, I would have absolutely called you if i needed more help.

fortunately, i have the parents, and in-laws. friend is a nurse, between them all I'm getting great care. Dh and two older kids went home, dh, and son had to work, dd went to camp for the weekend. i'm here with the 5 year old and the grandparents are doting on him, he's loving the attention.

lol i have had NO pride for a few days, just was about to go out of my mind. really, it made me nuts. you wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near me. ROFL

Right! Pride has no place in the sick-room! Best to sit back and let others do for you for a change!

Still wish there was something... you know... chicken soup? ...something! (Nana would be so proud!)

I am happy that you're on the mend. Will still pray...

127 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:57:00pm

re: #108 Mel Lono

hmmm on my way back from Acton that night.

they're playing here at 6PM.

email me if you want more details..... did i give you my cell #?

128 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:57:08pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL!

129 Jim C.  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:58:12pm

"Fear... those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them." - "The Name of the Rose", Umberto Eco

[Thomas Babington Macaulay] has the journalist's air of being a specialist in everything, of taking in all points of view and being always on the side of the angels: he merely annoys a reader who has the least experience of knowing things, of what knowing is like. There is not two pence worth of real thought or real nobility in him.

C.S. Lewis, 1923

130 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:58:39pm

re: #124 redc1c4

thanks, i'll ask the pharmacist. definitely buying some tags now. sheesh, how dorky. but necessary.

don't mind not taking demerol, they subbed morphine for it. ;) have been drinking mostly water and decaf iced tea. i've showed everyone how to use the epi pen, too. hope we never need it of course. and that stuff BURNS when it goes in. shot, no prob. medicine, OUCH. :/

131 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:02:40am

re: #125 redc1c4

In case anyone missed it, here is the image of the day from the 25th showing the smoke from the fires over California. If you have the bandwidth recommend downloading the 250m resolution image.

132 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:04:13am

re: #126 LeePro

:) you rock. i actually tried to email you to let you know i was here, but my email didn't set up properly on this computer. ugh. felt to bad to keep working on it, gave up and logged off. going to work on that tomorrow.

oh, I had the southern version of chicken soup tonight for getting well; commissary barbecue courtesy of my mother in law! that's probably what started healing me. ;)

133 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:07:40am

re: #131 freetoken

that's amazing. were most of the fires caused by lightning, or were they deliberately set? looks too green in the northern part of the state to be burning!

are any fires near you?

134 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:21am

re: #133 gop_patriot

nevermind, read the caption on the first page, duh. ;)

135 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:22am

The fires are mostly by lightning.

136 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:58am

re: #135 rawmuse

:) how are you, rawmuse? And slumbering, you still here? hope y'all are doing well.

137 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:11:02am

I am fine, except for the aforementioned smoke. Ms. Rawmuse is off in the midwest visiting her mom. I am here with the pets. Cedar Falls is where the missus is going.

138 LeePro  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:11:02am

re: #132 gop_patriot

:) you rock. i actually tried to email you to let you know i was here, but my email didn't set up properly on this computer. ugh. felt to bad to keep working on it, gave up and logged off. going to work on that tomorrow.

oh, I had the southern version of chicken soup tonight for getting well; commissary barbecue courtesy of my mother in law! that's probably what started healing me. ;)

Magic potion! And very cool M.i.L.!

I gotta go now............. q-w-e-r-t-y—face is not attractive!

You have my phone #...

G'nite {gop} and all my {Lizard faves}!

139 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:12:30am

Goodnight Lizards! Here is hoping that tomorrow is a better day.

140 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:12:50am

re: #133 gop_patriot

I'm way down south...

The news wires attribute the fires to lightning strikes. A very dry soil combined with low humidity at the bottom of the troposphere keeps the rain (falling from the cooler air several thousand feet above) from hitting the ground. However, the electrons don't give a damn and lightning strikes anyway.

California is in a serious drought condition and likely to get worse.

141 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:13:13am

re: #112 LeePro

He burned me good. At the rate I am going, I need all the help I can get.

/tell 'em he's ugly and his momma dresses him funny!
//I got nuthin'.

142 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:13:59am

re: #137 rawmuse

well i hope the smoke doesn't get any worse. can't be good for you. :/ Hope your wife has a nice trip seeing her mom. :)

143 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:14:49am

re: #133 gop_patriot

that's amazing. were most of the fires caused by lightning, or were they deliberately set? looks too green in the northern part of the state to be burning!

are any fires near you?

lightning...... it maybe green, but it's a very *dry* green. not only that, but years of preventing the minor brush fires that would clear out deadwood & undergrowth in the name of "protecting the forrest" have left everything vulnerable to firestorms that burn *everything*, including the top soil.

it's the same problem we have down south: the hills are designed to burn every couple years, but we don't let it happen, so when they *do* burn, you're guaranteed a disaster.

144 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:16:11am

re: #127 redc1c4

I think it's on the martini list

145 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:17:33am

re: #106 zombie

Having done it twice in the last 4 years, my recommendation is to get an air purifier if you can get your hands on one. Doesn't have to be big - a small one will do if you have everyone sleep in the same room.

Makes sleep more bearable. When the smoke lifts it will linger in the house and "airing out" by opening the windows doesn't do much.

For anyone in a rural area near the fires, get a generator - you will probably need it.

146 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #140 freetoken

they call that dry lightning where I live. lol

re: #143 redc1c4

oh yeah, i read about that the last time it burned out there. stupid liberal policy. thanks greenies. Sheesh.

147 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:18:20am

re: #140 freetoken

I'm way down south...

The news wires attribute the fires to lightning strikes. A very dry soil combined with low humidity at the bottom of the troposphere keeps the rain (falling from the cooler air several thousand feet above) from hitting the ground. However, the electrons don't give a damn and lightning strikes anyway.

California is in a serious drought condition and likely to get worse.

kinda hard to get "below median" here with rainfall in the summer, since it never does.... maybe they mean it's likely to be extra hot?

/that'd suck.

148 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:22:26am

re: #144 Mel Lono

I think it's on the martini list

that's what i member, but at my age.....

anyway, it's a free show, at the park, with an $8 charge for parking.....

might be worth it to leave Acton a skosh early, and hang a right on the 118 to Topanga..... i'll be the fat bastard in the Hawaiian shirt & shorts with the cute blond. gimme a call if you want to link up.

(well, one of them, anyway. %-)

149 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:02am

BTW, on the overnight (electronic) trading, dead Texas dinosaur squeezin's are going for over $140/bbl on the front month, and over $141 the following two months.

Up up and away...

150 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:46am

Time for my date with Craig. no Tivo here. Night all.

151 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:50am

re: #136 gop_patriot

Oops, missed that. Still here, somewhat. Doin' well enough not to complain. You?

152 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:26:54am

Flirting with $141 and $142 now... for being dead those Texas dinos certainly have a lot of life in them...

153 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:27:04am

re: #148 redc1c4

But no booze or BBQ at the venue, heh?

154 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:36:57am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Doing much better now, see my #78 for the backstory. :p

glad you're well. are you near the fires? (you're in CA aren't you?)

155 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:42:18am

re: #152 freetoken

Flirting with $141 and $142 now... for being dead those Texas dinos certainly have a lot of life in them...


no worries: Congress has said they will address the issue and resolve it.

/white smoke (lots of it %-)

156 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:43:37am

re: #153 Mel Lono

But no booze or BBQ at the venue, heh?

there's a BJ's just a few blocks over (decent beer) or i could do up some Q and we'll sneak in the booze. i haven't found any *really* good BBQ anywhere in the Valley.

157 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:43:53am

Well, I'm exhausted. Goodnight. It was good to 'see' everyone again, i was going through LGF withdrawals. :)

talk to y'all later

158 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:46:57am

re: #157 gop_patriot

Well, I'm exhausted. Goodnight. It was good to 'see' everyone again, i was going through LGF withdrawals. :)

talk to y'all later

best wishes....... and talk to your doc & your pharmacist.

159 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:50:51am

re: #154 gop_patriot

Re: your #78...Shit, that's awful. Cheers to a quick recovery!

Yup, near the fires. Near enough to see a hazy sky that is comprised of nothing but smoke. The air is thick with it. The eyes, nostrils, and throat burn from it. Still, the morons let their children play outside despite the warnings.

160 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:58:20am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

Re: your #78...Shit, that's awful. Cheers to a quick recovery!

Yup, near the fires. Near enough to see a hazy sky that is comprised of nothing but smoke. The air is thick with it. The eyes, nostrils, and throat burn from it. Still, the morons let their children play outside despite the warnings.

natural selection.....

161 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:59:45am

Mc Cain's problem?...... one of them, anyway.

/ah lurves this comic

162 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:04:20am
163 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:19:53am

since no one's looking, i'll just mosey on over to the fridge and fix up tonight's fruit cup for LoL...... it must warm her heart no end to know that people like me care enough to help out. %-)

/white smoke

164 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:01am

Heh heh heh, since this is an open thread. I give you my answer to the threat of global warming caused by cattle. :)

/call me Igor and fire up the grill.
//drive by posting maybe, depends on red's shenanigans.

165 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:04am

re: #163 redc1c4

Since the dead Texas dino squeezin's are still pulling > $141/bbls you might want to extra-spike it tonight.

166 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:45am

re: #163 redc1c4

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

167 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:23:30am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

Correction. Shot over. :)

168 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:24:27am

re: #164 BlueCanuck

Beef prices have not risen significantly over the past year, unlike most food items (many of which are up dramatically.)

According to some, the story is that the cattle ranchers are dumping their stock now as the cost of feed/care is too high, thus the glut of beef on the market. If that is so, then enjoy it now because in the near future the price could skyrocket.

169 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:32:00am

re: #168 freetoken

Please, don't burst my bubble.

/still stoking the coals for the half cow in my imagination.

170 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:33:40am

re: #162 redc1c4

Heh, I do so love the "ur doin it rong" kinda stuff.

171 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:33:49am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

go ahead and hit the smoke.....

/Firefinder & MLRS %-)

172 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:35:27am

re: #167 BlueCanuck

Correction. Shot over. :)

just stay right where you are..... you have incoming mail at that position.

(never heard of shoot & scoot? too late now....... %-)

"SPLASH!"

173 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:37:34am

re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, I do so love the "ur doin it rong" kinda stuff.

fail blog is funnier n' hell too, IMHO.

174 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:37:38am

re: #172 redc1c4

I blames teh internets.

/got distracted by the evil that is face book.

//also I forgot to designate who my FOO was.

175 Karridine  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:40:54am

re: #168 freetoken

Buy as much as practical, FREEZE IT, and enjoy through several months of skyrocketing beef prices! Nummm....

176 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:41:34am

re: #174 BlueCanuck

I blames teh internets.

/got distracted by the evil that is face book.

//also I forgot to designate who my FOO was.

as long as they're a fighter, your Foo will be okay.

/or at least popular %-)

177 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:43:37am

re: #175 Karridine

Buy as much as practical, FREEZE IT, and enjoy through several months of skyrocketing beef prices! Nummm....

or buy th cheap, tough cuts no one likes, and BBQ them......

yum! (but now i'm hongree...... %-)

178 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:45:18am

re: #177 redc1c4

or at least use a good pot roast recipe.

/damn up this late may as well see what happens at fruitcup time.

179 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:47:09am

re: #173 redc1c4

No doubt...my personal favorite.

Oh, so, sad.

180 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:48:40am

re: #178 BlueCanuck

or at least use a good pot roast recipe.

/damn up this late may as well see what happens at fruitcup time.

the usual: double vision, incoherence, tracers and various color shifts, and that's just LoL.....

you'd make pot roast instead of BBQ? you're a barbarian.

181 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:50:06am

re: #180 redc1c4

*sigh* no space for a proper BBQ pit. the travails of not owning a home, and living in a vertical development.

182 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:50:08am

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

No doubt...my personal favorite.

Oh, so, sad.

and i meet people who make me think it's likely true.

(and then there are the ones that can barely read at all, let alone for comprehension. %-)

183 Karridine  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:52:34am

re: #177 redc1c4

Oooh, YAS! That hits the spot! One of the reasons I stayed in Thailand is because of the widespread use of charcoal cooking of beef, pork and chicken, day after day... its ALWAYS 'summer vacation!'

***
Just got here, and now I gotta go... buy groceries etc at The Mall... I might as well be in Poughkeepsie!

CUL, Lizards!

184 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:54:10am

re: #181 BlueCanuck

*sigh* no space for a proper BBQ pit. the travails of not owning a home, and living in a vertical development.

have you considered a Weber Smokey Mountain?

they turn out contest winning Q (assuming you have the chops), take up very little room, and will hold a temp for hours without minding.

/i love mine %-)

185 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:56:36am

re: #184 redc1c4

thanks for the tip. hearted. Just need a balcony now to place it. :)

/but don't underestimate the power of a good pot roast.

//would still take Q over pot roast anyday though.

186 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:57:41am

Police Union Standing By Mexican Militia Reports

[Link: kfyi.com...]

187 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:00:05am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

188 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:02:33am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Three cheers for the fruitcup...

Did you see my link upstairs about the food prices? You are being very generous in providing us with fruit... If you wish to be more frugal you might need to turn to beef.

189 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:03:19am

re: #185 BlueCanuck

thanks for the tip. hearted. Just need a balcony now to place it. :)

/but don't underestimate the power of a good pot roast.

//would still take Q over pot roast anyday though.

not even a balcony? you po' bastid...... i don't suppose i should mention i have 3 smokers, 1 charcoal, 1 propane and 1 NG grill, all in their purpose built pagoda out by the pool?

/sympathy, but no hugs
(the whole cootie issue, don't 'cha know %-)

190 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:04:44am

freetoken! :-)

I picked a bad year to give up meat...
;-)

/you really don't have to tell me anything about food prices.
//even dog and cat food went up AT LEAST 30%

191 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:05:36am

re: #187 littleoldlady
Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the cup of goodness. And now I must be going.

re: #189 redc1c4

Tease, rub in your wealth of foodie cookery. Will you accept a dap?

192 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:05:52am

Who's here?

Karridine! :-)

red! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

I thought you weren't working again until Sunday?

193 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:07:05am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

your late & it tastes funny...........

/at least it's free! %-)

194 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:06am

I am way off the mark, and going further off.

Here, are, some roasts.

/ignore the canned laughter...

G'nite Lizards.

195 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:32am

re: #192 littleoldlady

BlueCanuck! :-)

I thought you weren't working again until Sunday?

Ummmm, not working. Stayed up late. :(

196 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:32am

Slumbering is going to slumber? ;-)

197 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Habit, eh? ;-)

198 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:09:30am

re: #191 BlueCanuck

Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the cup of goodness. And now I must be going.

re: #189 redc1c4

Tease, rub in your wealth of foodie cookery. Will you accept a dap?

a little dap 'll do ya? i'm thinking "not".

/too old to be hip & too kool to try. %-)

199 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:09:54am

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Ummmm, not working. Stayed up late. :(

no GF tonight?

200 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:12:43am

re: #193 redc1c4

Better late than...

/hmm. what's worse than being late?

I'm lucky that BlueCanuck was here tonight.

201 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:14:47am

Well folks, I am now off to bed. Scary thing is I am going early. Have fun and see you all next timi

202 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:15:19am

re: #200 littleoldlady

Better late than...

/hmm. what's worse than being late?

I'm lucky that BlueCanuck was here tonight.

for all the good it did...... %-)

203 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:15:42am

good morning all................................Friday, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

204 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:19:07am

re: #203 smokefire

good morning all................................Frida y, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

who waits until 5?

/i don't even wait for fryday....... %-)

205 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:19:35am

'Night, Blue! :-)

re: #203 smokefire

good morning all................................Frida y, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

Yeah! Same here!

/we must be in the same place! ;-)

206 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:22:13am

re: #205 littleoldlady

East Coast, New England, the "quiet corner" of CT.

You have got to see this...........................

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

207 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:24:36am

re: #206 smokefire

....................I will stick to my jeans, work uniform, sweats, and the occasional shorts. Thats right I'm one of those clinging to my guns, church, and conservative ideals.

208 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:26:51am

re: #206 smokefire

Opportunist!

/sheesh
//shorts, sandals, MAN BAG!?

209 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:28:03am

re: #206 smokefire

East Coast, New England, the "quiet corner" of CT.

You have got to see this...........................

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

came up null on my end..... some sort of weird East Coast thing?

210 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:33:35am

re: #209 redc1c4

some sort of weird East Coast thing

Nope. Just plain weird.

/as if YOU on the Left Coast should talk...

211 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:35:57am

Morning yawl.

Just headed to bed, thought I'd stop by and say Howdy.

212 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:36:43am

BC! :-) :-) :-)

213 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:37:26am

Hi LoL, always a pleasure to see you.

214 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:38:22am

Munching on a few strawberries before crawling under the covers.

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:38:26am

re: #213 Birkenstock Cowboy

How've you been?

216 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:39:26am

re: #210 littleoldlady

Nope. Just plain weird.

/as if YOU on the Left Coast should talk...

the link didn't w*rk for me, so i couldn't say....

besides: i'm the only normal person i know. %-)

217 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:41:04am

re: #216 redc1c4

Okay. THAT'S scary!

218 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:41:16am

Mostly good lately. The normal aches and pains associated with my profession. My back has been holding up well and other then a mild ear infection I seem to me in general good health.

219 Steffan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:42:56am

Oh, my.

Charles Krauthammer rips Obama a new fundamental orifice.

The money quote:

The truth about Obama is uncomplicated. He is just a politician (though of unusual skill and ambition). The man who dared say it plainly is the man who knows Obama all too well. "He does what politicians do," explained Jeremiah Wright.

When it's time to throw campaign finance reform, telecom accountability, NAFTA renegotiation or Jeremiah Wright overboard, Obama is not sentimental. He does not hesitate. He tosses lustily.

Why, the man even tossed his own grandmother overboard back in Philadelphia -- only to haul her back on deck now that her services are needed. Yesterday, granny was the moral equivalent of the raving Reverend Wright. Today, she is a featured prop in Obama's fuzzy-wuzzy get-to-know-me national TV ad.

Not a flinch. Not a flicker. Not a hint of shame. By the time he's finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.

220 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:43:17am

Perhaps time for some archeology news...

Ancient painted coffins found

Published: Friday, 27 June, 2008, 01:21 AM Doha Time
CAIRO: A team of Egyptian archaeologists has discovered several painted wooden coffins, including some dating back to the 13th century BC rule of pharaoh Ramses II.

“These coffins were found in the tombs of senior officials of the 18th and 19th dynasties,” near Saqqara, Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt’s Supreme Council of Antiquities said yesterday.

“Some coloured unopened coffins dating back to the 6th century BC were found as well as some coffins dating back to the time of Ramses II,” who ruled from 1279 to 1213 BC, he said.

According to some accounts Ramses II is the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

221 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:44:26am

re: #218 Birkenstock Cowboy

Diving, right?

/still slightly coffee deprived this morning
//hope my remembering function is functioning!

222 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:46:49am

re: #221 littleoldlady
Correct, I work underwater doing hull services. Physically demanding work but it keeps me in good shape.

223 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:49:08am

re: #217 littleoldlady

Okay. THAT'S scary!

then my w*rk here is done....

L8r!

/nap time %-)

224 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:51:04am

re: #222 Birkenstock Cowboy

DIVER DAN :-)

/yeah, I'm old... :-/

225 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:51:23am

'Night, red.

226 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:54:29am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Hilarious

227 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:55:57am

re: #226 Birkenstock Cowboy

WOW. I don't remember it being THAT good. ROTFL!

228 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:57:58am

Alrighty then. Time to hit the rack.

Goodnight Yawl

229 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:58:29am

'Night, BC! :-)

Hope to see you again soon!

230 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 3:00:00am

I need to get to work.

/I don't WANT to get to work, but I need to...

Good day, ALL!™

231 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:05:54am
Barack Obama said he is glad the Supreme Court has bolstered the second amendment's legal power but stressed that its ruling

does not mean the end of gun control.

Be sure to wear your FLIP FLOPS when you go to the beach!

you are cute when you talk out both sides of your mouth.
/don't eat redneck crackers.

232 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:08:20am

Morning Lizards.

N. Korea destroys nuclear reactor tower

PYONGYANG, North Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Friday destroyed a water cooling tower at a facility where officials acknowledge they extracted plutonium to build nuclear weapons, according to a CNN producer on the scene.

/but not until they got what they REALLY wanted.

On Thursday, North Korean officials turned over to China a 60-page declaration, written in English, that details several rounds of plutonium production at the Yongbyon plant dating back to 1986.

In it, North Korea acknowledges producing roughly 40 kilograms of enriched plutonium -- enough for about seven nuclear bombs, according to the U.S. State Department.

233 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:12:45am
North Korea on Friday destroyed a water cooling tower at a facility where officials acknowledge they extracted plutonium to build nuclear weapons

Its all Bush's fault.

234 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:13:27am

re: #232 Bubblehead II

Interestingly enough :

This Day in History

235 hans ze beeman  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:16:08am

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

236 rightwinger3  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:18:29am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

I believe that's The Emperor of Star Wars fame.

237 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:19:35am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Bwah.

/today I will make her tour and clean the Iranian out house.

238 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:20:47am

Gaza truce broken yet again as 2 mortar shells hit w. Negev

One of the shells landed near Kibbutz Kfar Aza, in the Sha'ar Hanegev region, while the other hit an open area. No one was wounded and no damage was reported.

/But it's not the fault of Hamas. They can't control the other groups *SPIT*

239 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:21:31am

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

and the official NORK mouth piece says we started it.

240 suntory_boss  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:26:45am

Interesting article on Obama's choice of music. If you look in the comments, on a website dedicated to MUSIC, Obama supporters are bashing Israel.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

241 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:26:57am

later

anyone else having to work Fridays?

high price of fuel creates 4 day work week.

in your dreams.

/we need a southern union.

242 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:27:30am

Some of the quotes in this article are just....WHAT!?

Gun ban ruling has Chicago thinking it's next

243 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:30:12am

The British Labour Party takes another hit.

Gordon Brown’s anniversary ruined by Henley disaster

It was certainly a gory night for Labour. Fifth place in a by election with just three per cent of the vote is not the sort of way Gordon Brown would wish to mark his first anniversary as Prime Minister.

A little over a thousand people voted Labour and even two tiny parties - the Greens and the BNP - beat them. In the last election Labour was a distant third here with 6,862 votes.

244 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:31:46am

re: #241 ibmkeyboard

later

anyone else having to work Fridays?

high price of fuel creates 4 day work week.

in your dreams.

/we need a southern union.

I switched to a 4-day work week @ month ago.
In my case, though, my son is out of school and I chose to have 3-day weekends. The fuel savings are a bonus, but my employer pays 1/2 my fuel for the week anyhow. 84 mile round trip, negotiated a couple of years ago.

245 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:34:10am

Time to go.
Have a good day.

246 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:43:47am

I think Gov. Palin would be a great choice for VPOTUS

247 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:57:35am

I guess with the destruction of the North Korean
nuclear tower, we won't hear many talking points concerning
Bush's failed North Korea policy. Iraq is off the table now, too.
It was funny the dems said Bush's Iraq policy was failed because
it was unilateral.(it wasn't). Bush's North Korean policy was failed
because is was multi-lateral and we weren't involved enough.
But, people have short memories.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:01:40am

re: #247 NonNativeTexan

Remember Kerry in a debate saying he would have one on one talks with the NOKs? Bush basically replied it was a stupid idea, we have to have everyone on board and freeze them out.

Bush was right Kerry. Suck on it

249 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:03:43am

Thank godness Kerry lost. What a dark day in the US that
would have been.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:04:29am

re: #249 NonNativeTexan

Hey Bud, just you and me. Who you wanna talk smack about?

251 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:04:51am

re: #247 NonNativeTexan

Yep, and it'll all be gas and housing.

I'll ralph if they bring out the old It's The Economy, Stupid slogan again. Like they know how to do anything but run it into the ground.

Gotta take mini-me to the doctors for his shots, c ya's.

252 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:05:07am

Whoever else ain't here, of course..

253 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #252 NonNativeTexan

Whoever else ain't here, of course..

I'm here and listening. Watch those North Koreans carefully folks. They have destroyed a cooling tower for PR purposes, but I haven't seen the reactor itself dynamited yet. The cooling tower can be quickly built again if desired.
But hey this is a start, and I hope they are sincere, and Pres. Bush wins the argument, again, heh.

254 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:09:54am

re: #253 HDrepub

I'm here and listening. Watch those North Koreans carefully folks. They have destroyed a cooling tower for PR purposes, but I haven't seen the reactor itself dynamited yet. The cooling tower can be quickly built again if desired.
But hey this is a start, and I hope they are sincere, and Pres. Bush wins the argument, again, heh.

In the tyrant world, saving face is a big deal. So, Kim Is Ill being
humbled is a good thing.

255 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:10:37am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Good Morning. These people are nuckin futs. Cute nose.

256 gwillie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:11:27am

I got a reply to one of my blog post that I think is a real eye opener. I had mentioned the often denied claim that environmental extremists would like to reduce the population to around 400,000,000. Well I guess I miss read that because this guy thinks 6,000,000 is about the best we can do, oh and try not to hurt any frogs on the way out.

Thanks for the plug, even if you do disagree. I don't think I count as a movement, however. I think the post of mine to which you link is pretty original and not based on readings in a movement.

As for limiting the population, just be sure to understand these important things about me.

1) I do not support any legislation to actually limit human numbers.
2) I support programs that have the effect of voluntarily limiting numbers, such as educating women and getting them into the workforce.
3) I do not claim to know where the actual limit will be. This is something that, since we will not likely limit our numbers voluntarily, will be limited by planetary resources.

If I am right, and we do not take action to limit our numbers voluntarily, we are in for some very painful times during The Great Human Die-Off, which will be carried out by nature, ruthlessly.

Also, I feel, based on my own admittedly non-scientific observations, that the number of humans left when the population stabilizes will not be as high as 400 million. I think that, by my calculations, 300 million is a number we know to be unsustainable. Perhaps 60 million is sustainable. Perhaps 6 million is sustainable.

Perhaps our large brains will prove to be counter to survival and the species will simply go extinct.

If so, it would be my hope to minimize the damage to other species on the way out. We have already caused a mass extinction greater than the one that killed off the non-avian dinosaurs 65.3 million years ago. Let's hope we can stop ourselves from creating a mass extinction of the proportions of the Permian/Triassic extinction 250 million years ago.

Since we're already in a mass extinction, it makes sense to pay attention to the observed fact that large warm-blooded species fare very poorly in mass extinction events. Humans are a large warm-blooded species.

257 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:15:38am
The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either case, tyrant or martyr, he is a monster.
— E. M. Cioran

IMO this is total bullshit, hardly worthy of being called a philosophical observation. Monsters are not necessarily fanatics and they are certainly corruptible. More importantly a whacko who is killed for his beliefs is not in the same moral league as a whackjob who kills for his. And we all know there are good monsters and bad monsters.
Good morning LGFers.

258 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:15:47am

#256 gw

Zero population growth is another bad idea for the western world.
Turns out, the way we are going, zero pop growth is turning
into zero population.

259 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:18:52am

re: #256 gwillie

Hey, die-off! Always a popular subject around here....

While I have astounding prognostication abilities, there still are paths into the future that are occluded from my eyesight.... among them the future human population on this planet.

We have a high probability of continuing our warfare ways, which means we could have sudden huge die-offs... or not.

For the year 2100 I could believe anything from that 6,000,000 figure to one considerably higher (say 10 billion.)

Doubt that many of us will live to the year 2100 to be sure, though.

260 gwillie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:19:58am

re: #256 gwillie

woops I forgot to block quote the lefties reply, I'm sure you're all smart enough to know where he starts his rant, second paragraph.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:28am

re: #259 freetoken

Every man woman and child on the planet earth could stand in an 8 square foot spot and fill up an area about half the size of Rhode Island.

262 Beobachter  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:38am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Boy, she's a cutie, isn't she.

263 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:56am

Good morning folks. 73 degrees as the sun also rises over Chambodia. Another hot steamy one today, and I ain't talking cheesecake.

Zero population growth? My Darwinian fitness is a healthy 1.75, so I'm cool.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:58am

re: #260 gwillie

I had to work at it...but I figured it out. Whew, thought you were nutz!

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:21:25am

re: #263 Lucius Septimius

LUCIUS! Enjoying summer?

266 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:02am

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Every man woman and child on the planet earth could stand in an 8 square foot spot and fill up an area about half the size of Rhode Island.

People who talk about overcrowding never have flown over
Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, Kansas,..

267 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:36am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sort of -- yesterday was way too hot, then I discovered the kids and pushed the thermostat up to about 90.

268 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:36am

re: #255 opnion

LOL, wasn't that picture taken during the swimsuit competition?


Morning Lizards! Happy Friday!

269 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:23:15am

Chicago's Mayor Daley is pretty near hysterical about the Court 2nd Amendment ruling yesterday.
He is claiming that it will make things like the Old West, with gun fights in the streets.
Huh? Gun violence in Chicago is at an all time high, even with a strict hand gun ban. A criminals job description is , well criminality.
This should actually bring the violence down if the thugs think the other guy might be packin.

270 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:24:02am

re: #258 NonNativeTexan

#256 gw
Zero population growth is another bad idea for the western world.
Turns out, the way we are going, zero pop growth is turning
into zero population.

Yeah right, if we can't outfight 'em let's try to outscrew 'em.
And while we're at it, let's see if we can out-terrorize 'em too.
I'll be damned if I will allow my reproductive behaviour to be dictated by my enemies. Instead, I'd rather secure the borders and fight the bastards.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:24:57am

re: #266 NonNativeTexan

When you read this tripe, you'd think that the planet was the equivalent of a freakin' Who concert.

(Remember Who concerts? Got really crowded, people got trampled to death, etc.?)

272 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:08am

re: #262 Beobachter

Attractive nose. LOL.

273 Dizzy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:22am

Complaint against Mark Steyn DISMISSED!

Dizzy

274 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:30am

#270 Sparrow
Bad morning?

275 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:38am
The Patriot Post
Founders' Quote Daily

"Nothing more than a change of mind, my dear."


-- James Madison (responding to his niece asking what was wrong,
28 June 1836)

Reference: James Madison: Commander in Chief, Brandt, vol. 6 (520)

276 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:06am

re: #266 NonNativeTexan

People who talk about overcrowding never have flown over
Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, Kansas,..

I like what P.J. O'Rourke says about it -- for most of the Paul Ehrlich type population-panickers, it's a case of "enough of me, way too much of you."

The real issue, historically speaking, has to do with incentives to having smaller families, and the most effective one has been stable property rights. The "western" demographic pattern that emerged in the thirteenth century (there have been occasional blips in the eighteenth and nineteenth century) involved smaller family size -- 2-4 children on average being the standard -- and was associated with the end of serfdom.

In many places in the third world, large families are still perceived of as an economic necessity, and, not surprisingly, those places are ones where property rights are practically non-existent.

277 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:51am

An ideal response to the population reduction nutbars is "You and your family first, pal."

278 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:56am

re: #269 opnion

I live south of DC, and always wondered when the local news said there was another shooting with a handgun. That's impossible I said to myself, handguns are not allowed in the District, so how could they have been used to shoot someone?

279 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:06am

re: #272 sparrowlake

Attractive nose. LOL.

Uncovered meat!

280 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:06am

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

oho! and a HEH.

281 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:58am

re: #268 rightside

LOL, wasn't that picture taken during the swimsuit competition?


Morning Lizards! Happy Friday!


Yup, she has that competition nailed. If she takes Miss congeniality, then Miss Iran is within reach. I think that politics might come into play, you know, fix in for some Ayatollah's sweetie.

282 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:04am

re: #274 NonNativeTexan

#270 Sparrow
Bad morning?

I'm working on it. LOL.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:37am

re: #276 Lucius Septimius

Interesting. My mother was one of 12, my dad one of 9...farming necessity. They moved to the city, average 3 kids each...Ceptin' my Aunt Nan...9 kids, Mormon farming family.

284 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:51am

#276 LS

I agree, an agriculture intensive society does have a lot
to do with. By the way, that is way too much thinking for this early:)

285 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:30:04am

re: #278 rightside

Handguns are magical totems of violence. There mere existence in society leads to crime. One cannot touch one without being filled with a neanderthal-ish patriarchial masculinist desire to kill people. They must be banned and destroyed, and Gaia cleansed of their very presence, except in places like the Middle East where having hand guns and shooting them in the air in celebration is part of the authentic native culture.

/kostard off.

286 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:31:26am

re: #53 Bob in Breckenridge

CHARLIE DANIELS ON OBAMA

Guns and Church

Since I identify with the people who fall into Barrack Obama's elitist description about people of faith who keep firearms I'm not very happy with Barrack Obama's recent remarks.

He said something to the effect that us rednecks cling to our guns and our religion when we get frustrated and I would like to take umbrage to these remarks. My faith goes much deeper than his superficial explanation and I love my guns even when I'm not frustrated.

And I am not by myself. I was going to church and shooting guns before Mr. Obama was even born and come from a long line of good people who have been doing it for generations.

To me this latest Obama blunder only helps reveal the depth of condescension the far left wing of the Democrat party has for the folks out here in flyover country.

Mr. Obama's remarks are insulting to a lot of folks. It's kind of like Abraham Lincoln said, 'God must love the common people because he made so many of them'.

His remarks make me think that Obama doesn't know the people of this country very well. I'm sure he knows the jet set and the Hollywood bunch, the limousine liberals and the save the whales, kill the babies crowd, but does he think that the ordinary people don't count? Does he think that they're so stupid that they don't know who he's talking about when he says these things? Does he think their opinions aren't important? Apparently.

How can a man stand in front of America and tell people what he wants to do for them and have so little respect for a whole segment of the population. In fact, a very large segment. Does that mean that he would only represent the high-minded liberal ideals of the far left and ignore the rest of us?

What kind of Commander and Chief would he make if he doesn't respect the very people who make up the lion's share of the armed forces.

You may say I'm over reacting, but I'm getting sick and tired of him making these elitist statements and saying that he had been taken out of context or some other flimsy excuse.

After his wife's remark about not being proud of this country and his pastor's statements calling America the U.S.K.K.K.A. and his own statement about not wanting his daughter punished with a baby, it makes me wonder what kind of a man Obama really is and what kind of a president he'd make.

Would he be an antigun advocate pushing the effort to take the firearms out of innocent citizen's hands? Would he not respect the religious beliefs of America, not taking them into account in his agenda?

I really don't know much about the man and neither does America. He basically came from out of nowhere and as the facts come out little by little, they don't make a particularly confident picture.

I have a great fear that if our military gets broken by another president, this time we're not going to have time to fix it again and what that spells for America, I don't even want to contemplate.

Oh well, I guess I'll grab my gun and go to church.

Pray for our troops.

Worth repeating. for the great unwashed....

287 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:52am

Good morning Lizards.......

288 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:55am

re: #35 RememberSekhmet?

"They change the skies but not themselves, those who travel over the seas."---Homer, I believe.

"Mmmmm....donuts!"---Homer

289 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:59am

re: #59 NomadOfNorad

I have an existential map, it has "you are here" written all over it.
--Steven Wright

Doesn't Steven also have a map that's actual size?

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:33:08am

Going to buy a handgun today....gonna ask the guy what to get. Have no clue, gonna take lessons, gonna be responsible, gonna practice.

If I need to use it in self-defense, the police will ask me, "Why did you shoot him six times?" I will reply, "Ran out of bullets."

Does that make me a Monster?

291 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:33:27am

re: #284 NonNativeTexan

I've been up for a while -- I'm used to teaching 8 AM classes.

292 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:34:39am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going to buy a handgun today....gonna ask the guy what to get. Have no clue, gonna take lessons, gonna be responsible, gonna practice.

If I need to use it in self-defense, the police will ask me, "Why did you shoot him six times?" I will reply, "Ran out of bullets."

Does that make me a Monster?

Only if your gun had a 11 round clip and you fired all eleven rounds and only hit him six time. Then yes you are a monster...for wasting so much precious ammo...

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:34:42am

re: #289 FrogMarch

Tried to fold it. Took MONTHS.

Had a scale key, said "One mile equals one mile".

294 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:37:06am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

Oooh. Thanks. Great advice!

296 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:37:08am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

Handguns are magical totems of violence. There mere existence in society leads to crime. One cannot touch one without being filled with a neanderthal-ish patriarchial masculinist desire to kill people.

Also very good for killing family pets.

297 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:07am

UK spending cuts force army aviation regiment to disband

The British Army's only homeland security and civil-emergency support aviation regiment is to disband by April 2009 as an economy measure.

UK drops last two Type 45s to halve class size

The UK government has publicly acknowledged that plans to order two additional Type 45 'D'-class air-defence destroyers for the Royal Navy (RN) have been abandoned, reducing the class offtake to just six ships.

This brings the class size down to just half of that originally envisaged at the outset of the programme.

Repair delays leave Canada without operational subs

Ten years after buying four Victoria-class (Upholder) diesel-electric submarines from the UK, the Canadian Navy is again without an operational underwater unit.

Two boats, HMCS Victoria and HMCS Windsor, are undergoing extended docking work periods, which are taking longer than anticipated and will not be completed until late 2009.

We can't afford war no more.

298 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:10am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

ROTFLMAO................Just get a S&W .50 Mag.... If your going to be a monster you might as well be packing a monster...

299 Right Brain  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:25am

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.

Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.

300 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:39am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

Isn't it better to get the one that makes the biggest effin hole in the target?

301 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:40am

Today is the resumption of the baseball Civil War in Chicago Sox/Cubs.
Parking lots at trains are half empty & so are the downtown streets.
Lots of people with hats & jerseys on.
After last weekend's Cub sweep at Wrigley , the Sox are looking for a little pay back. This is really fun.
Go SOX!

302 pittrader1988  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:51am

Funny how the folks that want market transparency are the same folks that do everything they can to keep the financial markets opaque.

Investment banks caused the credit crunch themselves. Now that they have brought our financial system to the brink, they are saying we need more transparency. When solutions to this problem are proffered, they fight them tooth and nail. The banks are making too much money off opaque markets.

Kind of like a teen ager setting his own curfew.

303 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:39:24am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

except in places like the Middle East where having hand guns and shooting them in the air in celebration is part of the authentic native culture.

/kostard off.

Yes, they have been shooting in the air in celebration in the Middle East for thousands of years. Except before, they threw their spears straight up in the air.

304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:40:55am

re: #298 doriangrey

I'd be askeered of it!

305 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:11am

re: #299 Right Brain

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.

Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.


I think history will be much kinder to George W. Bush than the current MSM idiots have been. He has run his administration by doing what he thought was right for the long term, not what was necessarily popular at the time being, or met the so-called "conventional wisdom".

306 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:20am

re: #300 sparrowlake

A .22 in the right spot works better than a .50 in the ceiling.

307 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:28am

re: #300 sparrowlake

Isn't it better to get the one that makes the biggest effin hole in the target?

Only if the point of having a gun is to you know, defend yourself... Otherwise you might as well get yourself one of those little .25 cal pistols that just piss off the people you shoot...

308 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:42:21am

re: #303 Tigger2005

Yes, they have been shooting in the air in celebration in the Middle East for thousands of years. Except before, they threw their spears straight up in the air.

Don't you know they invented gunpowder? And guns? And printing? And calculus? And the washing machine? And radio? And computers?

309 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:42:58am

OMG - Ball Girl! - how did she do that? Make sure to watch the re-play. Incredible if it's true.

310 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:21am

re: #306 jaunte

A .22 in the right spot works better than a .50 in the ceiling.

Better for what? Pissing off a cracked out gang banger?

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:22am

re: #307 doriangrey

Oh, I want them dead! Dead I tell ya!

(love the little animals tho...just not the bad human animals)

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:47am

re: #309 FrogMarch

Not. Saw it yesterday...faked. Promotional thing.

313 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:59am

re: #293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes - that's right. It took him months to fold it - LOL!

314 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:44:01am

re: #305 HDrepub

I think history will be much kinder to George W. Bush than the current MSM idiots have been.

Likely so.

It amazes me how the MSM genuinely believe that they get to decide what is "historic" and what is not, and to determine future generations' view of the present. Their arrogance is boundless.

315 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:44:12am

One more from Jane's before I leave:

Need a women? No problem...

Yemen's role in trafficking Iraqi women

In the last three years, Yemen has become a centre for trafficking Iraqi women.

In Yemen, this has focused on transhipment; the women are brought to Yemen and then sold to clients in other countries, mainly the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC) countries.

I'm wondering why something can't be done about this.

316 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:11am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not. Saw it yesterday...faked. Promotional thing.

ah. first glance - I thought - no way anyone can jump that high.

317 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:24am

re: #308 Lucius Septimius

Don't you know they invented gunpowder? And guns? And printing? And calculus? And the washing machine? And radio? And computers?

Don't forget discoverd America. Columbus had a Muslim Navigator.
Strange since the whole idea was to find a sea route to the East , in order to avoid being killed by Muslims on the land route.
It does exp[lain though how they got lost.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:46am

I have been supportive of Bush since the beginning. Misteps here and there, but I have never questioned his intentions. That's just me. Yell at me if you want, but there it is.

319 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:27am

re: #314 Lucius Septimius

Likely so.

It amazes me how the MSM genuinely believe that they get to decide what is "historic" and what is not, and to determine future generations' view of the present. Their arrogance is boundless.

The MSM needs to go back to reporting the news, instead of trying to make the news or install the latest "talking points".

320 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:48am

re: #310 doriangrey

I just mean that if the shooter isn't comfortable with the handgun, it gives them fewer chances to shoot accurately.

321 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:51am

re: #316 FrogMarch

ah. first glance - I thought - no way anyone can jump that high.

Two steps up the wall is still quite amazing, and she's a cutie pie as well...

322 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:26am

re: #299 Right Brain

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.
Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.

I agree with your sentiment, but I can't help thinking Dubya is at best an idiot savant - and that the magnificent troops are winning the Iraq war in spite of the administration's bungling. And I wouldn't uncork the champagne just yet on N.K.

323 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:57am

re: #315 freetoken

One more from Jane's before I leave:

Need a women? No problem...

Yemen's role in trafficking Iraqi women


I'm wondering why something can't be done about this.

Meanwhile China is negotiating a big trade agreement with Yemen. I guess the chicks are part of the deal.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:58am

Gotta run kids. You guys play nice. Gonna visit a couplea gun shops.

How much should I plan on spending on a first handgun? Not looking for a collectors item or anything. Three to five hundred do me?

325 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #320 jaunte

I just mean that if the shooter isn't comfortable with the handgun, it gives them fewer chances to shoot accurately.

With a .50 mag, you dont have to shoot accurately, once that mother goes off everyone is running for cover....

326 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:48:54am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have been supportive of Bush since the beginning. Misteps here and there, but I have never questioned his intentions. That's just me. Yell at me if you want, but there it is.

I'm with you. I have always thought he tried to do what was best for our protection, often at great political cost. He has never been poll driven like Bill Clinton.

327 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run kids. You guys play nice. Gonna visit a couplea gun shops.

How much should I plan on spending on a first handgun? Not looking for a collectors item or anything. Three to five hundred do me?

I'd say more like $500 to $900. As a starter gun your best bet is probably a Glock 9mm.

328 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:50:32am

I'm outta here too. Gonna strap on my handgun and go for a walk. I'm legal too.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:51:53am

re: #327 doriangrey

I've shot a glock. Easy to handle, I was pretty accurate with it. I've shot a handgun perhaps 12 times. 10 times with that glock. Thanks.

330 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #262 Beobachter

it could be easy to be a tranny in iran all covered up.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:25am

re: #330 yochanan

Mr. B. J. Hooker?

332 George guy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #323 Lucius Septimius

Meanwhile China is negotiating a big trade agreement with Yemen. I guess the chicks are part of the deal.

That would make sense; the Chinese do have a shortage in that particular area.

333 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:45am

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (74 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) bright, sunny and humid
Charlotte!
I'm lucky to be here this morning, since we lost our electrical power for about 20 minutes and it's been sorta "erratic" all morning long.

How is everyone this fine morning?

334 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:54:13am

Morning Everyone!

I don't really know what everyone's been talking about so far, I read upto about comment #53 -- excellent post, but I'm having some philisophical/value based doubts going on.

Essentially, here is my dilemma. I think Israel Apartheid Week (yeah, sorry for bringing this up again) is an abomination and I'd love to see it disappear from Campuses forever. However, the only way to do that would be to start putting restrictions on free speech. Stating explicitly that that kind of speech inevitably leads to intimidation, fear, and eventually violence if left unchecked.

I feel very strongly against IAW, but also do not want to compromise the integrity of free speech. Specifically, I'm afraid of not being able to draw the political correctness line... if they cannot bring up their conception of Israel Apartheid, what will I not be able to bring up against them? I feel it would provide a precedent on which other groups (Arabic, Muslim, Persian, etc.) would be able to demand that no criticism be leveled against them. (I don't feel that IAW is a criticism, its an outright lie, but thats not how the 90% of other students who know nothing of the issue would view it).

Anyways, I may have started talking in circles. But that is my dilemma. How do I prevent the abomination of IAW without sparking a precedent of PC-ness that would overwhelm anyone's rights to criticize and offend (if necessary)?

335 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #327 doriangrey

I'd say more like $500 to $900. As a starter gun your best bet is probably a Glock 9mm.

Glock makes an outstanding weapon, but for carry guns in this price range Kahr has the corner on concealment and weight I have a Kahr P-40 Covert model, in .40 S&W, weighing 17 oz and very slim in profile. It doesn't have the mag capacity of a Glock but that's why it's more concealable.

337 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:55:50am

re: #333 realwest

Mornin' Real.

Too frickin' hot.

338 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:56:55am

re: #323 Lucius Septimius

China has a young woman deficit that is estimated to be in the several million. Too many baby girls killed at birth...

339 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:00am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've shot a glock. Easy to handle, I was pretty accurate with it. I've shot a handgun perhaps 12 times. 10 times with that glock. Thanks.

Thats actually what make the Glock 9mm such a perfect beginners gun. It's size and weight make it fairly easy to be accurate with and 9mm doesnt have a great deal of recoil but still has good knock down power, so unless you are literately shooting a PCP or crack crazed lunatic or someone with body armor they are going down with one or two shots.

340 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:36am

re: #333 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (74 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) bright, sunny and humid
Charlotte!
I'm lucky to be here this morning, since we lost our electrical power for about 20 minutes and it's been sorta "erratic" all morning long.

How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning realwest, hope you are feeling well this morning...

341 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:38am

re: #330 yochanan

it could be easy to be a tranny in iran all covered up.

Yep, and if you're a kinky two-income Iranian family you could hire a tranny Irani nanny.

342 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #337 Lucius Septimius Morning Lucius, it is waay too hot and waay too humid already today.
I suspect our power loss and mini-outtages are from folks using their A/C units more and earlier than usual.
How's it by you?

343 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:50am

re: #338 freetoken

China has a young woman deficit that is estimated to be in the several million. Too many baby girls killed at birth...

Nice to see how "reproductive rights" are working for all those progressives over there.

344 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:16am

re: #334 rlevitin

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

345 eon  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:17am

re: #310 doriangrey

Better for what? Pissing off a cracked out gang banger?

Morning (late), Lizards.

The late Jeff Cooper said it best, in the motto of the old SouthWest Combat Pistol League (SWCPL); Diligencia- Vis- Celeritas. Or in English, "Accuracy-Power- Speed." Meaning that you need all three in appropriate proportions to accomplish the mission.

A .22 hit to a nerve center is a lot more discouraging to an assailant than a loud miss from a .500 S&W. By the same token, a drugged-up or frenzied assailant may not notice a minor caliber hit, even a fatal one, in time to prevent him from harming or killing you. It takes time for the brain and CNS to notice that, say, the heart has a hole in it and blood supply is dropping precipitately. The projectile must inflict enough damage for the CNS to take notice within no more than a couple of seconds to do you any good. This depends as much on the state of the target as the caliber of your weapon.

As a general rule, the break point for rapid incapacitation seems to be at about 450-500 foot pounds muzzle energy. This is more or less irrespective of bore size, within limits; the hands-down best "stopper" seems to be the .357 Magnum, 125-grain hollow-point (no matter who makes it- Remington, Federal, whoever). Rounds with similar ballistics (hot 9mms, .357 SIG, .40 S&W, 10mm Auto) seem to do equally well. Below 400 FPE, things can get dicey (with apologies to the .45 ACP and 9 x 19mm Para fans out there). (Truth in advertising; I use a 9 x 23mm Largo, delivering a 124-gr JHP at 1250 for 425 FPE).

My personal advice is also drawn from Col. Cooper;

"God forbid that you ever have to shoot, but if you do, shoot twice."


Gotta run. Have a great day, Lizards.

/And keep your powder dry


cheers

eon

346 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:57am

re: #342 realwest

I'm doing ok -- still trying to adjust to the blood pressure meds. I was pretty loopy all day yesterday. Not like anyone would notice. It did come in handy during a committee meeting. I'd say something outrageous and people would look at me and I'd just say "it's the drugs."

Worked in college, why not now?

347 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:59:07am

re: #340 doriangrey

Hey dorian - yeah, I'm doing ok, thanks - how about you? How's your 'vette? How long until she's back on the road again?

348 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:24am

Overnight oil traded up a bit. November WTI had a high of $143! August is still over $140 with 1 minute to go before the pit trading.

Up up and away?

349 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:29am

re: #341 sparrowlake
ROFL! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED for making that one! LOL! Funny as hell though!
Good morning to you and thanks for the chuckle!

350 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:37am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

Hmmm, your not the same Ford_Prefect that used to post over at Aceshardware by any chance are you?

351 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:02:40am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the terrorists have been busy in Gaza again -firing off mortars at Israel. Yet the media continues to push the notion that there's a ceasefire.

Amazing. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

352 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:02:49am

Well I'm off to work have a nice day all ya'll Lizards out there....

353 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:03:44am

re: #350 doriangrey

Hmmm, your not the same Ford_Prefect that used to post over at Aceshardware by any chance are you?

No. To be honest I am new to this whole blogging thing. I just started doing it here in the last week or so. You guys inspired me.

As for the name, I am just a big fan of the Hitchhikers series.

354 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:04:33am

re: #351 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the terrorists have been busy in Gaza again -firing off mortars at Israel. Yet the media continues to push the notion that there's a ceasefire.

Amazing. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Just remember, the MSM believes that its only a cease fire when the Jew's walk into the ovens and dont fight back.

355 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:06:25am

re: #349 realwest

Hi Real.
I am duly chastened.

356 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:06:51am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

Yeah, but they've been saying this crap for 4 years. That was the policy of Jewish organizations and groups on campuses when it first started in 2004, and it has only been getting worse and worse.

They have students who are registered "part-time" and get paid essentially to agitate. The Jewish students who become targets of all this crap are full-time students, while I seriously wish it was possible, they cannot be expected to "fight bad speech with more speech" its just not logistically possible to counter their propaganda.

I just agree with what you are saying about the whole attention thing. Hence my dilemma.

357 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:08:05am

re: #345 eon Hi eon! Sorry you had to run - it's not as if I'm an expert or anything, but my Dad (rip) once said to me, just as I was going into the Army, that he'd carried a .45 pistol (1911 model) as his service weapon (he was a fighter jock so he had it only in a just-in-case situation) that with a .45, if you hit the bad guy in the pinky finger you'd knock him down. My smart-ass reply was why not shoot him in the head instead of the pinky? But Dad was right - other than a .44 Magnum and MAYBE a .357 Magnum, there isn't a better "stopper" out there (don't know about the .50 cal Desert Eagle cause I could hit anything with it to find out what the stopping power ight be!).

358 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:08:59am

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

359 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:04am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

There is also this excellent video to illustrate just how bad its gotten:

360 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:38am

re: #346 Lucius Septimius LOL! Once you get used to it, I'm sure you'll go back to being you're same old loopy self!
;')

361 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:49am

re: #358 WriterMom

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

Morning WriterMom... maybe u can give me a hand, can you look up and read my post #334?

362 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:11:25am

re: #358 WriterMom

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

That's good.

363 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:13:31am

Good morning lizards!

364 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:14:55am

re: #356 rlevitin

Yeah, but they've been saying this crap for 4 years. That was the policy of Jewish organizations and groups on campuses when it first started in 2004, and it has only been getting worse and worse.

They have students who are registered "part-time" and get paid essentially to agitate. The Jewish students who become targets of all this crap are full-time students, while I seriously wish it was possible, they cannot be expected to "fight bad speech with more speech" its just not logistically possible to counter their propaganda.

I just agree with what you are saying about the whole attention thing. Hence my dilemma.

They only have the right to speak if their agenda is within the bounds of legitimate political debate and does not over cross over the line of promoting hate against campus minorities and actual intimidation.
I happen to think that most of these assholes have crossed the line.

365 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:15:23am

re: #334 rlevitin

Good morning. I am a free speech absolutist, but here is the dilema with "Israel Apartheid Week" in my opinion. I have a problem with universities allowing fully discredited "scholars" such as Ward Churchill come and do their thing under the guise of academic freedom and thereby grant them legitimacy when they are clearly antisemtic POS. So, I think any lobbying or demonstrating against this should be a careful scrutiny of who is being presented as a legitimate academic. I think these people should be allowed to speak about anything, unless it crosses the line of threatening harm or real incitement. But there is something very important-the alumni and the local Jewish community have to stop donating to the universities who insist on carrying on with these events. Vote with your wallet-it's the most effective message to a university. No big fancy chairs in someone's name...no annual donations. That's a more effective protest. And the local Jewish communities also have to take a stand-they leave it to a few brave student activists to do their thing. I would say it's important to go to the lectures, document and video tape them and shine the light on these a-holes.

366 yesandno  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:15:43am

OT

Not sure this has been brought up as I haven't read everything here.

But the Canadian Human Rights Commission dismissed the case against Maclean's for publishing excerpts from Mark Steyn's book:

[Link: www.marksteyn.com...]

Another one for the good guys!

367 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:16:06am

Did I miss a specific event?

I'm going to read upthread...maybe I missed something. Just finished my coffee.

368 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:17:14am

Coffee .... mmmmm.

369 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:17:49am

re: #366 yesandno
YEA! I hadn't heard about that decision and I think it's great!
And, iirc, that's the first time the CHRC has ruled against a complainant, too!

370 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:18:21am

re: #366 yesandno

Just read about that on Ezra. It's MOST EXCELLENT!

371 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:18:37am

re: #364 sparrowlake

They only have the right to speak if their agenda is within the bounds of legitimate political debate and does not over cross over the line of promoting hate against campus minorities and actual intimidation.
I happen to think that most of these assholes have crossed the line.

That is the line that we are trying tow right now. It is essentially our last refuge, the whole "it's not political debate, it's hate speech" argument.

There are two problems with that though, first, they never book a hall and invite a speaker and say "we are going have hate speech" they say "this is political debate" and it inevitably turns hateful. Or else regardless they turn it into a "free speech" debate which causes a lot of media ruckus and makes Jews and the administration and everyone else who is sane look like evil censoring groups.

372 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #367 WriterMom

Did I miss a specific event?

I'm going to read upthread...maybe I missed something. Just finished my coffee.

Is that for me? No, my post 334 was the first one I made today. Its just been on my mind. I am going to be on the executive of a couple jewish groups at my campus, so its something I'm gonna need to deal with.

373 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:16am

re: #340 doriangrey

Good morning realwest, hope you are feeling well this morning...


good morning all.. going to get hot today in Indiana..
i think like 90 degrees..weeeee!

374 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:27am

re: #255 opnion

LOL. Yah-it's a huge turn-on.

375 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #372 rlevitin

Where are you? What city?

376 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:22:00am

re: #371 rlevitin

That is the line that we are trying tow right now. It is essentially our last refuge, the whole "it's not political debate, it's hate speech" argument.
There are two problems with that though, first, they never book a hall and invite a speaker and say "we are going have hate speech" they say "this is political debate" and it inevitably turns hateful. Or else regardless they turn it into a "free speech" debate which causes a lot of media ruckus and makes Jews and the administration and everyone else who is sane look like evil censoring groups.

Absolutely correct. So that's why Writer Mom is correct when she points out the importance of taping/filming them and exposing their hate speech to the light of day.

377 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #372 rlevitin

Is that for me? No, my post 334 was the first one I made today. Its just been on my mind. I am going to be on the executive of a couple jewish groups at my campus, so its something I'm gonna need to deal with.

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?

378 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:23:29am

Good morning lizards.

Headline on Drudge: O.J. says, "Anybody else wouldn't be going to court."

Me to O.J.: "Anybody else couldn't get away with murder."

379 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:24:02am

re: #377 Lucius Septimius

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?


Good advice.

380 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:24:21am

re: #359 rlevitin

There is also this excellent video to illustrate just how bad its gotten:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

381 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:25:22am

re: #373 HoosierHoops

good morning all.. going to get hot today in Indiana..
i think like 90 degrees..weeeee!

It was 105 degrees yesterday afternoon. But it dropped to 75 for the evening.

/reporting from sunny Florida

382 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:05am

re: #375 WriterMom

Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

re: #377 Lucius Septimius

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?

FIRE? and the administration has been excellent, but the groups running Israel Apartheid Week (they are being sponsored by CUPE - - a government union here) have been putting IMMENSE pressure on the administration, and while they are taking a lot of "symbolic" actions to show support for us, I fear the end result will be nothing has changed.

383 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:12am

re: #371 rlevitin Good morning!
I have to say that I'm sort of an admirer (sort of? boy there's an understatement!) of Thomas Jefferson who said that he believed in totally free speech; let anyone say anything that they want to
(as opposed to any sort of governmental censorship) and let the ideas expressed compete with each other in the "Market Place of Ideas". Ole TJ had great faith in the good sense of the average everyday American to separate the wheat from the chaff in the war of ideas and words.
I don't think they had "teenagers" or "prolonged adolescence" then the way we do now, but I suspect he'd feel the same way today.
And, as hateful and spiteful as a lot of speech is, I'd rather err on the side of protecting Free Speech than in censorship.
Also, FWIW, I think Free Speech is, perhaps, our most precious freedom.

384 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:35am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

It's definitely a problem.

385 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:27:09am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

Wow, that's intense. There's really a lot of hate in that video. Why do we let them get away with that. I had no idea that kind of thing went on either.

386 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:27:35am

re: #382 rlevitin

Foundation for Individual Rights in Education -- Alan Kors' organization. They do lots of pro bono legal work for first amendment cases.

387 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:29:41am

re: #377 Lucius Septimius FIRE? Um what do you mean by that?

388 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:15am

re: #387 realwest

What I just said above you ...

389 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:37am

re: #383 realwest

Good morning!
I have to say that I'm sort of an admirer (sort of? boy there's an understatement!) of Thomas Jefferson who said that he believed in totally free speech; let anyone say anything that they want to
(as opposed to any sort of governmental censorship) and let the ideas expressed compete with each other in the "Market Place of Ideas". Ole TJ had great faith in the good sense of the average everyday American to separate the wheat from the chaff in the war of ideas and words.
I don't think they had "teenagers" or "prolonged adolescence" then the way we do now, but I suspect he'd feel the same way today.
And, as hateful and spiteful as a lot of speech is, I'd rather err on the side of protecting Free Speech than in censorship.
Also, FWIW, I think Free Speech is, perhaps, our most precious freedom.

Yeah, thats one of the pillars of my dilemma. lol. I'm a fan of the Voltaire saying "I may disagree with what you say, but I would defend with my life your right to say it". Except in this case I don't really feel that way about what they are saying =P.

I'd agree with the whole "marketplace of ideas" thing, but as I mentioned above, they have got people who are paid full-time activists. We just cannot counter their propaganda point for point, and as much as I'd like to hope that nobody is convinced by anything they say, there is a disappointing amount of ignorant people out there who will believe the first thing they hear.

390 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:57am

re: #388 Lucius Septimius Ah, didn't see that until I posted the question, nevermind!

391 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:31:52am

re: #386 Lucius Septimius

Ahh, I see interesting. I'll have to look into it. I am Canadian, so they may not be able to help out at all, but I'll definitely check out their website.

Thanks.

392 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:32:05am

Well -- it's been fun, but I gotta run. Lot's to do today.

Have a great day, ya'll.

393 godfrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:33:07am

re: #53 Bob in Breckenridge

That is great stuff from Charlie Daniels.

re: #334 rlevitin

How do I prevent the abomination of IAW without sparking a precedent of PC-ness that would overwhelm anyone's rights to criticize and offend (if necessary)?

You can't prevent people from staging misleading events and saying stupid, hateful things. What you can do is patiently undermine everything they're doing on the one hand, and getting up in their face on the other. Mobilize opposition. Get other people involved so it doesn't look like your personal crusade (sic), so you don't burn out, and so it outlives your own time on campus. Get faculty support. Be nice to the administration. You're right, and just, and you will win. The fight is everywhere.

394 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:33:13am

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.

395 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:34:17am
396 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:36:29am

Again-I don't think 'hate speech' is an issue. Let them be hateful and wallow in their filth. I want to know who they are. My approach would be to focus on:

1) Jewish donations to the school
2) The legitimacy of 'academics' who come to the campus
3) Documenting the presentations to see if there is any actual incitement, and uploading to YouTube, and/or letting local media who are sympathetic know about the events
4) Organize peaceful counter lectures/demonstrations with good fact sheets and also invite media and document/videotape

Of course they are hateful SOBs, but 'hate' should not be the rallying cry.

397 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:37:06am

re: #278 rightside

I live south of DC, and always wondered when the local news said there was another shooting with a handgun. That's impossible I said to myself, handguns are not allowed in the District, so how could they have been used to shoot someone?


See how that works? Ban guns & the gangbangers use water baloons. Much safer

398 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:38:09am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.

That's very disturbing.

399 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:38:23am

re: #389 rlevitin "there is a disappointing amount of ignorant people out there who will believe the first thing they hear."
I quite agree with you on that, but the question for TJ (and for me) is the same: do you let the fact that there are a lot of ignorant people (not to mention STUPID, hateful people) change your value system?
I watched about as much of that video as I could stomach this early in the AM and have to say it's the worst propoganda for their side that I can imagine. Yes some ignorant souls might agree with them, but I don't want to see our public policy based upon the ignorance of (hopefully) the few.
As for those who are STUPID and HATEFUL there is little we can do, for there is no cure for STUPID.
Also would point out that TJ and I are talking about GOVERNMENTAL censorship, not private censorship.
For waaaaaay too many years now, academic types
(or at least the administrative parts of Academia) have allowed too much Hatefull and disgusting speech to go on in the name of "academic freedom" but that's something that, frankly, the alum's of any particular college or university have more control over than anyone else.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:39:11am

Here's some good news to brighten up your morning...

Governor Bobby Jindal Signs Chemical Castration Bill

BATON ROUGE – Governor Bobby Jindal today signed the Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill, SB 144, authorizing the castration of convicted sex offenders.

Governor Bobby Jindal said, “The Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill is a good bill, and I am especially glad to sign it into Louisiana law today, on the same day the Supreme Court has made an atrocious ruling against our state’s ability to sentence those who sexually assault our children to the fullest extent. Those who prey on our children are among the very worst criminals imaginable.

“Not only as the Governor of this great state, but as a father of three children, I believe that sexually assaulting a child is one of the very worst crimes and I am glad we have taken such strong measures in Louisiana to put a stop to these monsters’ brutal acts. I want to send the message loud and clear – to the Supreme Court of the United States and beyond – make no mistake about it, if anyone wants to molest children and commit sexual assaults on kids they should not do so here in Louisiana. Here, we will do everything in our power to protect our children and we will not rest until justice is won and we have fully punished those who harm them.”

401 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:40:25am

re: #399 realwest

For waaaaaay too many years now, academic types
(or at least the administrative parts of Academia) have allowed too much Hatefull and disgusting speech to go on in the name of "academic freedom" but that's something that, frankly, the alum's of any particular college or university have more control over than anyone else.

Absolutely. I'm trying to remember the campaign started by the alumni of an American university it was huge...something about giving them the finger, or nails...anyone remember? My brain hurts.

402 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:05am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Awesome. Second best punishment!

403 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:11am

re: #396 WriterMom

Again-I don't think 'hate speech' is an issue. Let them be hateful and wallow in their filth. I want to know who they are. My approach would be to focus on:

1) Jewish donations to the school
2) The legitimacy of 'academics' who come to the campus
3) Documenting the presentations to see if there is any actual incitement, and uploading to YouTube, and/or letting local media who are sympathetic know about the events
4) Organize peaceful counter lectures/demonstrations with good fact sheets and also invite media and document/videotape

Of course they are hateful SOBs, but 'hate' should not be the rallying cry.

Yes, that seems to be the best course of action.
Step 1) is really not so easy to do. Because it is both hard to contact those who donate, and also because it would probably be hard to get them to agree.
Step 2) is something that I hadn't thought of specifically, but it's definitely something we should do. (Thanks! =D)
Step 3) is something I was thinking we definitely should do, and hasn't been sufficiently done in the past.
Step 4) is the main focus of the groups now, getting peaceful counter lectures going/educating as many people as possible, particularly prior to February when this whole is likely to bubble up again.

404 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:35am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Horrendous. And his son shot the video.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:36am

re: #385 Lively

Wow, that's intense. There's really a lot of hate in that video. Why do we let them get away with that. I had no idea that kind of thing went on either.

Related from DKos:

One is struck by the continual use of terrorism against civilians on the part of Israel and its bungling accomplice in the Middle East, the US government. The mindset is clearly one of civilized western values Americans and Israeli, taking action against Arab non-western "savages".

From the human rights group B'Tselem, portrayed in the US media as anti-Semitic, although they are Israeli Jews, we have more reports of Israeli IDF tactics against Arab non-combatants. These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq.

406 BobbyKay  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:42:08am

The brother has been charged in Toronto-area honour killing:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

407 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #403 rlevitin

Feel free to contact me by e-mail if you need any other advice. I am in Toronto and may be able to assist in some other ways.

408 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:43:13am

re: #396 WriterMom

You make some very good points. Nothing speaks louder to the Universities than money. Make sure that all the local Jewish organizations and business owners etc are aware of this and that they use their dollars to take a stand.

409 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:44:03am
410 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:46:31am
411 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:47:29am
412 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:48:01am

So, like many other folks, check in with Drudge from time to time. Saw his headline earlier this morning - the doom and gloom of the Arctic polar ice cap melting away... and then decided to take a closer look.

For starters, the scientists were offering probabilities - and that was a worst case scenario (or best case, if you think global warming is manmade and happening). Then, the articles mention that the Northwest Passage would open up for the first time in recorded history, even though that would be news to Roald Amundsen, who navigated the Passage from 1900 to 1903. How'd he manage it without it being recorded in history?

Junk science and poor reporting... go hand in hand.

413 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:48:10am

BTW - Very late last night or very early this AM, someone asked if anyone had heard that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama - I certainly don't want to perpetuate a myth, and would like to think that Powell is to smart and too perceptive a man to do that, but has anyone heard about this?

414 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:49:16am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

From your link:

"This bill also provides that a court may instead order a physical castration instead of the chemical castration. Convicted sex offenders who undergo castration must still serve their full sentence, as their treatment will not affect their sentencing. "

Something tells me this will not hold up...

415 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #412 lawhawk

So, like many other folks, check in with Drudge from time to time. Saw his headline earlier this morning - the doom and gloom of the Arctic polar ice cap melting away... and then decided to take a closer look.

For starters, the scientists were offering probabilities - and that was a worst case scenario (or best case, if you think global warming is manmade and happening). Then, the articles mention that the Northwest Passage would open up for the first time in recorded history, even though that would be news to Roald Amundsen, who navigated the Passage from 1900 to 1903. How'd he manage it without it being recorded in history?

Junk science and poor reporting... go hand in hand.


Aren't there active volcanos under the North Pole, or somewhere close by?

416 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:50:05am

re: #407 WriterMom

Feel free to contact me by e-mail if you need any other advice. I am in Toronto and may be able to assist in some other ways.

I think I'd need to have your e-mail for that? ;)

and thanks. I appreciate it!

417 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:07am

re: #406 BobbyKay

The brother has been charged in Toronto-area honour killing:
[Link: www.thestar.com...]

Like father, like son - such horrible, sick, Islamofascist scum.
BTW, have you noticed how completely and thoroughly MSM has buried this case (and the whole issue) for the past few months? It will be interesting to see how long it takes for this story to be reburied.

418 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:09am

re: #365 WriterMom

i am not a free speech absalutist for me if the goal is hate and genocide than F''' UM. better to smash um when they are a small group than to have to fight for your lives when they are a big group.

419 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:28am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.


This asshole is already being portrayed as a free speech martyr by certain circles here in Philly.

420 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:54:42am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning to you!
"These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq." Of course one can expect no better from Kos, but I'd think even they would know that so far ALL the Marines at Haditha have been cleared and only one remains to be put through the UCMJ ringer.
Thank you very much, John Fucking Murtha, you S.O.B.
As for the substance of the comment, it's not atypical, of course, for Kos to try to differentiate Anti-Semitism from Anti-Jewish, but then again, Kos has never been known for his depth of intellectual thinking or originality of same.

421 akak  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:54:46am
Jindal To SCOTUS: “F.U.! I’ll Castrate Child Rapists!”

President Glenn Beck Wouldn’t Detain Terror Suspects - He’d Shoot Them In The Head

/well hey our ticket isn't written in stone yet?

422 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:57:24am

re: #418 yochanan

yoch-if they say 'we're gonna kill the Jews' or something like that, then let the police take care of it. If they whine about the Jewish conspiracy, or want to give 24/7 b*jobs to the Palestinians-who cares? If they assault someone-police.

423 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:57:54am

re: #416 rlevitin

I put my nic in blue-you can e-mail me using the LGF safe mail.

424 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:58:25am

re: #420 realwest

Good morning to you!
"These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq." Of course one can expect no better from Kos, but I'd think even they would know that so far ALL the Marines at Haditha have been cleared and only one remains to be put through the UCMJ ringer.
Thank you very much, John Fucking Murtha, you S.O.B.
As for the substance of the comment, it's not atypical, of course, for Kos to try to differentiate Anti-Semitism from Anti-Jewish, but then again, Kos has never been known for his depth of intellectual thinking or originality of same.

That just makes Israeli tactics that much more like the US Marines in Haditha -- It's all hype and condemnation, with no truth to it ;)

425 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:58:28am

Good Friday moring all. The sun is out and I'm feeling good.

426 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:58:54am

re: #418 yochanan

i am not a free speech absalutist for me if the goal is hate and genocide than F''' UM. better to smash um when they are a small group than to have to fight for your lives when they are a big group.


I would be very reluctant to restrict speech, unless it clearly advocated violence.
This anti Israeli hate is pathetic & should just be ridiculed.
The problem is that academia restricts speech all of the time.
Any other point of view is usually consuidere too provacative to allow on campus.
When someone like Daniel Pipes does get on campus, security is lax & threatening behavior of protesters is tolerated.
The hipocracy is stunning

427 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:59:04am

re: #414 freetoken
Yep, I tend to agree with you. Our SCOTUS has put death by lethal injection on hold as it amounts to cruel and unusual punishment and I can't imagine them feeling any different about surgical OR chemical castration.

428 Timbre  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:59:47am
The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either case, tyrant or martyr, he is a monster.

One of the best quotes I have ever read.

429 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:00:37am

re: #427 realwest


cruel and unusual punishment
Odd how that never appiles to the victm?

430 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:01:19am

re: #425 Dustoff-507
Good morning! You're feeling good? Uh, I don't think y'all want to be out HERE this morning then!
LOL!

431 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:01:53am

re: #430 realwest


Ahhh heck realwest. I love the heat. Bring it on! (-:

432 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:03:43am

Good Morning Lizards! It's muggy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning.

Been reading about Heller this morning. Interesting. They Chicago battle as already begun. It will be an interesting year.

This morning's Tribune has a picture of Daley. It is a close-up of his face contorted and he looks like a cry-baby. I can't seem to find it on the internet to link here. It is classic.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about it?

433 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:04:40am

re: #427 realwest

Some states have offered voluntary chemical castration as a means of preventative medicine.

The obvious problem with physical castration is what occurs if a conviction is overturned at a later date?

Not a good mark on Louisiana or Jindal.

434 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:05:21am

re: #431 Dustoff-507
Oh man, you can have it - but only if you take the humidity with it.
Seriously, we lost power for several minutes early this morning (enough to screw up more than a few folk's Friday morning work routine, like getting out of bed on time) and have had sporadic outtages ever since, and I think it's cause many more folks either went to bed with the A/C on (at midnight last night it was 80 degrees here) or turned it on very early this morning than is usual and it affected our power grid.

435 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:06:31am

re: #432 ggt


Well in Seattle. My &%^$$ mayor has said BS to the law/guns and well push for more rules to stop us from having a gun. . God I hate libs. )-:

436 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:06:45am

Your tax dollars hard at work - PBS to air WWII documentary anti-American propaganda smear piece which portrays America & the Allies as just as bad as the Nazis. Somewhere, Pat Buchanan is smiling.

437 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:07:52am

Massachusetts Rep. Bill Delahunt (Sack of Shit-D) tells Dick Cheney's chief of staff David Addington he's glad al-Qaeda know what he looks like.

438 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:08:05am

re: #434 realwest


Hey buddy, you should remember them days. Take a shower, 10 mins later your wet again, but no shower! LOL

439 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:08:51am

re: #436 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


I heard about that too. &%%#@#$%^ Jerks.

440 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:09:14am

re: #433 freetoken
Well yeah, but that same argument has been used in capital punishment cases as well - what happens if you execute someone found guilty of, say, murder in the first degree and then later, after he is killed by the State (i.e., US) it turns out that he was innocent. There really can't be any absolutes in terms of crime and punishment because it's all done by humans who are always fallible.
But with castration, one would think that someone who believes he is innocent, he would refuse castration.
But you're also right, this doesn't make Jindal look any too good.

441 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:09:35am

re: #413 realwest

Good Morning, Real! Yes, I heard it on Fox News yesterday. What a disappointment.

442 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:10:26am

Good Friday morning all.

This article gets a big freakin' "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" from me:


Gun-Plagued Cities Decry Handgun Ruling

(CBS/AP) Washington's blanket ban on handguns will fall and tight gun laws in places like Chicago and San Francisco are sure to come under attack. But most of the nation's firearms regulations will probably stay on the books, and some politicians said Thursday's Supreme Court decision won't hinder their efforts to prevent bloodshed.

Arrest those evil guns!

443 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #436 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I always thought that "during war" all bets were off. Meaning, that different rules apply than do to peace-time civilized society. There are guys in the white hats vs. the guys in black hats. They are both wearing hats.

Some how the idea that the guys in white hats are going to behave like they are sitting for afternoon tea has perpetrated society.

War is hell, it's worse if you lose.

the Gitmo decision has me baffled.

444 RedPepper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:10:57am

re: #429 Dustoff-507

cruel and unusual punishment
Odd how that never appiles to the victm?

What I don't get is this: how does any punishment that ends up putting the perp out of his misery qualify as "cruel"?

These people just have no imagination ...

445 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:11:01am

re: #432 ggt Good morning to you ggt! It's really hot and muggy here too!
We're talking about the usual things: war, peace, freedom of speech, Heller and such!

446 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:12:20am

re: #445 realwest

Hey rw! Hot where you are? It's absolutely thick here. I keep expecting it to pour down rain.

447 turn  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:12:35am

Morning all,

Woke up this morning and was laying there in bed just thinking. I was reflecting on the huge drop in the market yesterday and how my 401k is whithering away. Then I thought back to last night where I heard on the news the national deficit has nearly doubled under Bush's watch and wondered just how much of that increase could be attributed to 911 (I'll research that a little later). Hell, I'm normally a pretty positive person but then thoughts of all the other disasters America has been through since 911 started running though my head. Then I thought about all the friggin fires raging out here in California and the fact that I'd be breathing Beijing air for another day. I started to get a bit depressed. All of a sudden, and for no particular reason, I suddenly had an urge to hear Bush's prayer at the 911 remembrance. I played it as soon as I made it into work. I feel much better now.

"To the children and parents and spouses and families and friends of the lost, we offer the deepest sympathy of the nation. And I assure you, you are not alone. Just three days removed from these events, Americans do not yet have the distance of history, but our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil."

G.W. Bush - POTUS

This country has and is continuing to sacrifice blood and money for what will be seen as a truly noble cause in history. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, and now Korea. Even if you don't support Bush you have to admire him for his resolve.

I'd encourage you all to listen and reflect back.

[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com...]

448 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:13:07am

re: #444 RedPepper


LOL....

449 Neo_  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:13:33am

There has been much written about how the MSM has lost interest in the Iraq War now that some level of victory seems much nearer.

Now we find out there may be an alternate explanation ..

Photos: Lara Logan Sex Scandal, "Laura" & Michael Ware Make the Tabs .. h/t

.. I guess they had other "affairs" [pun intended] to mind.
Mind you Iraq can be a dangerous place without "protection."

450 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:13:41am

re: #432 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! It's muggy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning.

Been reading about Heller this morning. Interesting. They Chicago battle as already begun. It will be an interesting year.

This morning's Tribune has a picture of Daley. It is a close-up of his face contorted and he looks like a cry-baby. I can't seem to find it on the internet to link here. It is classic.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talking about it?


Daley really needs to calm down. The gun ban does not work. Maybe going another way will work better.

451 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:13:53am

re: #438 Dustoff-507 Yeah, but I was MUCH younger then and it didn't bother me quite so much! LOL!

452 Alouette  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:14:24am

Hey, I'm going to Toronto for the weekend! Loading the car up with stuff for the grandkids (my son in Toronto has 3 boys and 3 girls). I just hope some wiseass border officer doesn't ask us, "Who do you think you are, Santa Claus?"

453 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:14:35am

re: #17 RememberSekhmet?

Hey, I think I found the Obama campaign song!

I think that 'The Wheels on the Bus Go Round and Round' would be even better.

454 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:15:15am

re: #449 Neo_


I wonder if there is a combat badge for this action. War is hell. (-:

455 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:15:27am

Just in case you wanted to read the article. Daley vows to fight for Chicago Gun Ban. Interesting the on-line poll at the bottom has 72 percent of respondents citing the SCOTUS decision correct.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:15:44am
457 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:15:49am

re: #450 opnion

Daley really needs to calm down. The gun ban does not work. Maybe going another way will work better.

The gun ban does work - it keeps guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens of Chicago. It's not about protecting "the people," it's about controling them.

458 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:16:24am

re: #441 Beach Lover
Ah shit. Did he give his reasons why he was endorsing Obama? (other than the same reason 90+% of Blacks voted for Obama in the primaries).
Cause I can't think of ANY achievements Obama has accomplished (other than probably winning the Dem nomination) and certainly he looks like a little kid compared to McCain. And I don't even like McCain all that much!

459 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:16:26am

re: #451 realwest


Ahhhhh, gezzz Realwest. Your not a day over 35. Now stop your bi#ching. (-:


/I'm going to pay for this one.

460 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:16:50am

re: #436 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Your tax dollars hard at work - PBS to air WWII documentary anti-American propaganda smear piece which portrays America & the Allies as just as bad as the Nazis. Somewhere, Pat Buchanan is smiling.

Here's the Wiki article on the author, Niall Ferguson. Reading about some of his other positions (he supported going into Iraq, and he believes the EU is a disaster waiting to happen), I just want to go, "WTF?" when I hear about this book and documentary. I just don't get this guy.

461 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:17:06am

re: #447 turn

Hey don't let the MSM get you down. Try Bill Whittle's podcast with Tim Conway Jr. . Linky is somewhere in the article.

462 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:18:51am

re: #244 SasquatchOnSteroids

I switched to a 4-day work week @ month ago.
In my case, though, my son is out of school and I chose to have 3-day weekends. The fuel savings are a bonus, but my employer pays 1/2 my fuel for the week anyhow. 84 mile round trip, negotiated a couple of years ago.

We switched to a 4-day work week recently as well. Our employer eliminated 1/2 hour per employee per week of non-productive "breaktime", and we employees save on fuel costs. Good idea all around now that you mention it.

463 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:19:00am

re: #455 ggt

Just in case you wanted to read the article. Daley vows to fight for Chicago Gun Ban. Interesting the on-line poll at the bottom has 72 percent of respondents citing the SCOTUS decision correct.

Throw his ass in jail for violating the law.

464 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:19:02am

re: #435 Dustoff-507

Well in Seattle. My &%^$$ mayor has said BS to the law/guns and well push for more rules to stop us from having a gun. . God I hate libs. )-:

Thank G-d I live in Everett. I can't stand Mayor Nickels.
Just curious, which area of Seattle is your Fire Dept in?

465 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:19:08am

re: #442 Ward Cleaver
Good morning Ward! Hope all is well in the Cleaver household today!
"Arrest those evil guns!"
Just for once I'd love to see pressure put on gun control groups to show just how many people were shot - not just murdered - shot by legallly obtained and licensed guns.
Fucking media has been incredibly STUPID on the issue of gun-control for my entire adult life and I don't suspect that they are gonna change now.

466 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:19:38am

re: #339 doriangrey

Thats actually what make the Glock 9mm such a perfect beginners gun. It's size and weight make it fairly easy to be accurate with and 9mm doesnt have a great deal of recoil but still has good knock down power, so unless you are literately shooting a PCP or crack crazed lunatic or someone with body armor they are going down with one or two shots.

I tire of this kind of talk. "Go down with one or two shots"? How about placement? These things aren't magic, you have to hit with them, and a handgun is a shit tool to hit somebody with by any measure. The human body is enormously complex, to say nothing of your stress response and the laws of physics that come into play between your trigger squeeze and a hit on a BG (rule of thumb that I've heard is that your group sizes double or triple under stress). It's entirely possible to fire fifteen times and only wound an assailant, or hit him once, nick an artery, and have him drop dead on the spot. "X number of shots to stop" is BS in the same vein as people asking the cops why they didn't shoot to wound, or shoot the gun out of somebody's hand.

There are cases of criminals surviving full magazines of .45 to the torso, and cases where cops were shot with a .22 and fell over dead. By the numbers, I recall that the most lethal caliber in the world is some form of .38... Because criminal types are usually packing cheap, shitty .38s.

Stay out of trouble, carry the biggest caliber you can reliably hit with, and practice. Everything else is hot air.

467 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:19:50am

re: #458 realwest

Not that it matters, but have you noticed that Michelle's shoulders are wider and more muscular than Barry's.

She needs to find a different sport, something that will make her less bulky. She's a pretty girl, but without sleeves she looks like a guy.

468 RedPepper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:20:14am

re: #458 realwest

Brotherly love?

469 turn  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:20:37am

re: #458 realwest

Ah shit. Did he give his reasons why he was endorsing Obama? (other than the same reason 90+% of Blacks voted for Obama in the primaries).
Cause I can't think of ANY achievements Obama has accomplished (other than probably winning the Dem nomination) and certainly he looks like a little kid compared to McCain. And I don't even like McCain all that much!

I wouldn't even credit Obama with the nomination win, I think the DNC rigged the election with the Florida and Pennsylvania stunt.

470 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:21:24am

re: #447 turn Thank you for that. Thank you very much for the perspective of which you reminded me.

471 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:22:01am

Dudes. Dudettes.

[nods head in both directions]

472 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:22:13am

re: #452 Alouette

Have fun-the city is emptying out...long weekend...

473 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:22:53am

re: #471 vxbush

Helllo.

*nods back*

and how are you doin' today?

474 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:22:57am

Anyone else notice the few clips shown on the tube of McCain yesterday? He looked even more frail than normal! What's up with that? Where are his advisers....now is the time to drive home his energy point with some force.

Even the liberal, lying media would cover it if he got a little hot under the collar!
JMHO

475 rednaxela  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:23:05am

Just a quick note for the record:

I am currently using the free wifi service at Hong Kong international airport and LGF works, i.e. not a hate site.

476 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:23:32am

re: #473 rlevitin

Helllo.

*nods back*

and how are you doin' today?

So far, okay. I got to sleep in this morning and that always helps.

477 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:23:37am

re: #455 ggt Yeah, but that 72% won't matter; Daley can turn out far more votes than that with his "Chicago Machine"! LOL!

478 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:23:38am

re: #471 vxbush

Dudes. Dudettes.

[nods head in both directions]

Good mornin'

479 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:23:42am

re: #464 Cygnus


Well to tell you the truth. I live in Mukilteo. I have a few friends & fire fighters who live in Seattle. Nickels is a dang fool.

480 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:24:31am

re: #475 rednaxela

Just a quick note for the record:

I am currently using the free wifi service at Hong Kong international airport and LGF works, i.e. not a hate site.

Good to know, if I ever end up on that side of the world.

481 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:24:49am

from the article I linked above --- who writes this stuff?

"Despite a local prohibition on possessing handguns in Chicago since 1982, the city has been plagued by gun violence courtesy of a plentiful supply of firearms from legal gun dealers from south suburban Riverdale to Mississippi."

482 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:24:50am

re: #472 WriterMom

Its true, everyone is gone for the weekend.

I just feel like clarifying.... I also live in Toronto for the summer, and I have lived in Toronto my whole life, except for last year when I went away to Hamilton for University. I'll be going back there for the year, but we'll see when next Summer comes around. I'm a Toronto boy at heart.

483 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:25:50am

re: #436 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Your tax dollars hard at work - PBS to air WWII documentary anti-American propaganda smear piece which portrays America & the Allies as just as bad as the Nazis. Somewhere, Pat Buchanan is smiling.

I didn't think it was in dispute that our tactics became brutal after years and years of war? I mean, we did burn entire cities to ash, you know... After the Germans did it first. But pointing out that we did the same things to them as they did to us isn't "revisionism", it's reality.

If my grandmother had died during the firebombing of Kassel I wouldn't be here...

484 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:26:22am

re: #474 Beach Lover

I notice McCain looks almost albino sometimes. He needs better make-up artists or to spend a few mintues in the sun each day. The visual comparison with Barry isn't good.

Channelling memories of the Nixon v Kennedy debate. Visuals are important.

485 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:27:11am

re: #474 Beach Lover

Anyone else notice the few clips shown on the tube of McCain yesterday? He looked even more frail than normal! What's up with that? Where are his advisers....now is the time to drive home his energy point with some force.

Even the liberal, lying media would cover it if he got a little hot under the collar!
JMHO

You know, I'm really not the biggest fan of McCain. His age really does worry me a bit, and he really does look quite frail. Just looking at how much Bush has aged in his tenure as POTUS, makes me worry for McCains health.

On the other hand, ANYTHING is better than BHO.

486 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:27:39am

re: #484 ggt

I notice McCain looks almost albino sometimes. He needs better make-up artists or to spend a few mintues in the sun each day. The visual comparison with Barry isn't good.

Channelling memories of the Nixon v Kennedy debate. Visuals are important.

How said that the color of the skin will be used to judge, rather than the content of the character.

/apologies to M.L. King, Jr.

487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:27:57am

re: #471 vxbush

Dudes. Dudettes.

[nods head in both directions]

Or the same direction in Zombie's case.

488 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:28:29am

re: #481 ggt

from the article I linked above --- who writes this stuff?

"Despite a local prohibition on possessing handguns in Chicago since 1982, the city has been plagued by gun violence courtesy of a plentiful supply of firearms from legal gun dealers from south suburban Riverdale to Mississippi."

I would like to explore the relationships between the press and power, because that is the standard party line of the Daley/Menino "ilregahl faiyirahms"*** axis. That could have been written by their press office, not an actual journalist. It sickens me to see their propaganda bullshit copied verbatim into a supposed "news" item.

*** Menino pronunciation

489 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:28:30am

re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or the same direction in Zombie's case.

Heh. Quite true. But Zombie usually isn't up when I show up.

490 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:28:30am

re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL.

491 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:28:54am

re: #459 Dustoff-507
No, no you're not gonna pay for it, but your math teachers should! LOL!
Hey, I'm not embarrassed by my age; I earned every one of those years and trust me, I've got more miles on me than the odometer shows! LOL!

492 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:29:01am

re: #479 Dustoff-507

Well to tell you the truth. I live in Mukilteo. I have a few friends & fire fighters who live in Seattle. Nickels is a dang fool.

Not too far from where I'm at! Mukilteo is a nice town but the housing is expensive, especially in places like Harbour Pointe. Nickels cracked me up when he proposed a ban on water bottles. Nuts.

493 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:29:18am

re: #486 vxbush

How said that the color of the skin will be used to judge, rather than the content of the character.

/apologies to M.L. King, Jr.

I love the Dennis Miller line, (paraphrased)

"I'm not worried about the color of Obama's skin, i'm worried about how thin it is"

494 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:30:21am

re: #458 realwest

Who was it...Armstrong Williams? that recently has been on saying he that even though he is a conservative Rep., and can't say he is,( but maybe, voting for BO) he is "torn" about what this election means to the black community. First ever and all that.

I guess that wish of MLK, content of character over color of skin only works one way.

495 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:00am

In case anyone missed it yesterday, Scalia's opinion on Heller.

[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]

496 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:01am

Good morning, Lizards.

497 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:21am

re: #488 Pawn of the Oppressor

IIRC at the beginning of our Country, Hamilton (Madison?) and Jefferson each controlled their own papers --either thru outright ownership or by control of the editor. I forget the circumstances. The media war was brutal.

I'm not sure it's too different today.

Thank G-d (and algore) for the Internet and Charles Johnson.

498 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:32am

re: #491 realwest

LOL.... I know what you mean, after my morning run... O-man do I feel it.


I could scream 'MEDIC' But everyone would just laugh!

499 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #442 Ward Cleaver,

Now it is official. Pro-gun-control is anti-civil rights. Take 'em to court.

500 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:31:51am

re: #491 realwest

Hey, real, what did your oncologist say this week? I never heard.

/always concerned about you, dude

501 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:32:36am

re: #496 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Morning, goddess. You are well today, I hope?

502 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:33:22am

re: #492 Cygnus


I know how $$$$ it is here and now my city leaders are on a spending spree. )-:

I retired ffom the Muk fire dept back in Dec.

503 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:33:42am

re: #482 rlevitin Huh, please forgive my ignorance, but why is Canada having a three day weekend this weekend?

504 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:33:58am

re: #334 rlevitin

If I had to deal with a school where organizations were running Israel Apartheid Week, I'd work with a campus group to hold pro-Israel events. Bring in Daniel Pipes, or similar speakers. The best remedy for hate speech is more speech.

If the school refuses, then point out they are being discriminatory. If they claim is is a security issue, then they need to work with law enforcement. If they don't, then they are condoning religious discrimination, and in fact, condoning threats of violence. Any students making threats of violence should be expelled, and, if they're foreign nationals, deported.

Unfortunately, this would result in loss of Arab money for the school. Too bad.

505 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:35:07am

re: #497 ggt

IIRC at the beginning of our Country, Hamilton (Madison?) and Jefferson each controlled their own papers --either thru outright ownership or by control of the editor. I forget the circumstances. The media war was brutal.

I'm not sure it's too different today.

Thank G-d (and algore) for the Internet and Charles Johnson.

Of course, TV and 24/7 news instill the MSM message more insidiously than newspapers that take time and effort to read. Viet Nam was on the TV every evening when I was growing up.

The internet levels the playing field by getting more truth/less bias out to the people. I really think many Obamaniacs aren't stupid; they're just brainwashed.

506 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:35:15am

re: #503 realwest


Because they can?

507 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:35:57am

re: #503 realwest

Huh, please forgive my ignorance, but why is Canada having a three day weekend this weekend?

It's Canada Day, July 1st, which is the tuesday, but some workplaces are pulling it to the monday.

It's the Canadian July 4th ;)

508 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:36:09am

re: #496 goddessoftheclassroom Hey, good morning back atcha {goddess}! How are you today?

509 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:36:11am

re: #504 Kosh's Shadow


Grrrrr!

Sorry, I can't understand the Israel paranoia that seems to abound.

Idiots!

Thank you for your work.

510 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:36:46am

re: #419 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This asshole is already being portrayed as a free speech martyr by certain circles here in Philly.

Hey, have you freed Mumia yet?

511 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:37:06am

re: #504 Kosh's Shadow

If I had to deal with a school where organizations were running Israel Apartheid Week, I'd work with a campus group to hold pro-Israel events. Bring in Daniel Pipes, or similar speakers. The best remedy for hate speech is more speech.

If the school refuses, then point out they are being discriminatory. If they claim is is a security issue, then they need to work with law enforcement. If they don't, then they are condoning religious discrimination, and in fact, condoning threats of violence. Any students making threats of violence should be expelled, and, if they're foreign nationals, deported.

Unfortunately, this would result in loss of Arab money for the school. Too bad.

Yeah, we are working to get more speakers, the problem comes down to money. It is downright EXPENSIVE to get these people to come!


Anyways, we are backlogged like mad at work, so I gotta get off LGF. Maybe I'll see u all later.

512 akak  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:37:10am

Jindal To SCOTUS: “F.U.! I’ll Castrate Child Rapists!”

notice how he hasn't said/used alleged?

possible overturned convictions should not castrate the justice system

513 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:37:21am

Good Morning, {all y'all}! Happy Friday.

514 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:37:30am

re: #500 vxbush
Drop me an e-mail and I'll tell you. Not really fit for filling up Charles' bandwith with!

515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:37:36am

re: #510 madisonsfriend

Hey, have you freed Mumia yet?

He's neither freed nor fried.

516 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:11am

re: #483 Pawn of the Oppressor

I didn't think it was in dispute that our tactics became brutal after years and years of war? I mean, we did burn entire cities to ash, you know... After the Germans did it first. But pointing out that we did the same things to them as they did to us isn't "revisionism", it's reality.

If my grandmother had died during the firebombing of Kassel I wouldn't be here...

Are we morally equal to them? I get that our side did things that now, with the luxury of 60+ we can look back and say, 'erm, maybe that wasn't the best idea', but at the time was it necessary for the effort? Did we do things to break the spirit of the enemy that now seem to be frivolous wastes of life? Probably.

I am sure we weren't always in side side of angels in some instances, but overall, dare I say it, we had God on our side. One just has to imagine the outcome of a German victory and then compare it to the real outcome to see the differences and that moral equivalence is for fools. (Fortunately we have the ability to see the outcome of a leftist victory also. Of the three competing ideologies only one finished and tried to amend the situation to evrybodies' benefit).

517 RedPepper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:17am

re: #484 ggt

Negatory on that "few minutes in the sun" stuff.

Skin cancer survivor ...

518 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:18am

re: #484 ggt

Agree. But, couple the fraility with the paleness, and that lack of force in any messge...not to mention he won't SAY anything with conviction, is gonna kill us in the election. Any points he will get by being a POW is gonna be lost when compared to what he is now. Look at what they tried to do to Reagan, and there's no comparison.

519 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:34am

re: #511 rlevitin

Yeah, we are working to get more speakers, the problem comes down to money. It is downright EXPENSIVE to get these people to come!


Anyways, we are backlogged like mad at work, so I gotta get off LGF. Maybe I'll see u all later.

You know, that would be a good use of all the money that Jewish organizations collect to fight anti-Semitism. It might be hard to get that money, but it would be an excellent use for it.

520 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:34am

re: #515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wish I could help him out but I am busy with those undeserving causes like Darfur, Israel and people with disabilities

521 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:36am

re: #496 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Morning teacher, here's your apple.....

522 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:47am

re: #505 goddessoftheclassroom

I'd like to think they aren't stupid also.

There is something very powerful in the desire to be with the "in" crowd. As long as the MSM keeps saturating us with Barrymania, I think a lot of people will vote for him for purely unconscious reasons.

It's almost a High School mentality.

I haven't seen John and Cindy McCain on the cover of People.

523 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:53am

re: #515 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Hey, have you freed Mumia yet?

He's neither freed nor fried.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Damn shame.

524 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:38:56am
525 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:15am

re: #455 ggt

Just in case you wanted to read the article. Daley vows to fight for Chicago Gun Ban. Interesting the on-line poll at the bottom has 72 percent of respondents citing the SCOTUS decision correct.

Daley was rather red faced last night as well. It was pretty funny to watch him make intellectual leaps to justify keeping the handgun ban and to fight any attempt to get rid of it. I swear I thought I saw a vein in his forehead pop during the press conference.

That gun ban works so well, Chicago is one of the most dangerous cities in the US. It works so well, we had a shootout on the Dam Ryan Expressway just last week. It works so well, the GDs, LKs, VLs, etc have no trouble getting access to guns and shooting up neighborhoods to make them look like Baghdad and Beirut. It works so well, Da Mayor need armed bodyguards out and about in the city.

526 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:24am

re: #518 Beach Lover

Hey, gf! What's up? Day off?

527 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:28am

re: #514 realwest

Drop me an e-mail and I'll tell you. Not really fit for filling up Charles' bandwith with!

Done.

528 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:32am

re: #514 realwest

me too!

529 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:43am

re: #507 rlevitin Ah!
Well then, to all our Canadian Lizards and Friends:
Happy Canada Day!

530 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:39:53am

re: #503 realwest

Huh, please forgive my ignorance, but why is Canada having a three day weekend this weekend?

Confederation Day. That's July 1st.

531 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:40:04am

re: #523 Dustoff-507


Fried that is.

532 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:40:32am

yo yo yo

533 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:40:49am

re: #532 Hengineer

yo yo yo

ADRIENNNNNNNE!

534 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:41:18am

re: #499 Iron Fist

,

Now it is official. Pro-gun-control is anti-civil rights. Take 'em to court.

In San Francisco, which has some of the toughest handgun regulations in the U.S., Mayor Gavin Newsom said the ruling "just flies in the face of reality. You just wish the Supreme Court could spend a week in public housing and then come out with this decision. It's very easy and comfortable to stand there with security guards and metal detectors and make these decisions."

Two thoughts:

1) Yeah, those public housing projects were just oases of calm and tranquility until yesterday, weren't they?

2) And I suppose Mayor Newsom forgoes having any armed security himself, right?

535 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:04am

re: #525 Honorary Yooper

Daley doesn't have to worry, he has guns.

536 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:10am

re: #533 madisonsfriend

ADRIENNNNNNNE!

I LUV YOOO!

537 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:10am

re: #522 ggt

I'd like to think they aren't stupid also.

There
is something very powerful in the desire to be with the "in" crowd. As
long as the MSM keeps saturating us with Barrymania, I think a lot of
people will vote for him for purely unconscious reasons.

It's almost a High School mentality.

I haven't seen John and Cindy McCain on the cover of People.

Reminds me of why Johnny Ramone became a Republican. Everyone he knew was going to vote for JFK because he was so handsome & popular. Johnny Ramone, being neither, said "F*ck that, I'm voting for Nixon!"

538 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:22am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Virginia Islamic Academy had its corporate charter revoked and never filled out IRS forms

Busted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

539 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:30am

re: #529 realwest

Ah!
Well then, to all our Canadian Lizards and Friends:
Happy Canada Day!

Yep, and in Detroit-Windsor, the entire week is celebrated as a Freedom Festival (July 1st and July 4th).

540 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:30am

re: #519 Kosh's Shadow

You know, that would be a good use of all the money that Jewish organizations collect to fight anti-Semitism. It might be hard to get that money, but it would be an excellent use for it.

Don't hold your breath. They are only interested in right wing Neo Nazis or boogah boogah scarey Christians.

541 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:48am
542 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:42:51am

re: #536 Hengineer

I LUV YOOO!

Great, but get a room, people.

543 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:43:10am

re: #530 Honorary Yooper

Confederation Day. That's July 1st.

Canada was part of the Confederacy? Man, just when I though I had history figured out...

544 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:43:17am

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Two thoughts:

1) Yeah, those public housing projects were just oases of calm and tranquility until yesterday, weren't they?

2) And I suppose Mayor Newsom forgoes having any armed security himself, right?

3) I suppose all those people with guns in public-housing projects legally purchased their weapons from licensed dealers with full background checks, right?

545 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:43:32am

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Good morning. I posted an article for you this morning...it's from the National Post. "What the Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech". It's written by a Canadian lawyer. It was awesome.

546 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:01am

Realwest

OK good buddy. I'm sitting at my desk with a t-shirt on and jeans on. Talking off to do some diving today. The water looks nice a clear.

Have a great weekend buddy and to all of my lizard friends. (you too Charles)

547 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:02am

re: #542 vxbush

Great, but get a room, people.

Gah--forgot the sarc tag....

548 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:05am

re: #535 ggt

Daley doesn't have to worry, he has guns.

But of course, the elite can have guns, including that nutcase, Dorothy Tillman when she was an Alderman. Dingbat brought and brandished a gun in the middle of a city council meeting.

549 Pyrocles  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:09am

NPR was almost crying this morning due to the "imminent gun violence about to be unleashed". They played brief snippets of two pro-gun quotes, while playing whole interviews of several anti-gun mayors and law-enforcement officers.

re: #442 Ward Cleaver

Good Friday morning all.

This article gets a big freakin' "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" from me:


Gun-Plagued Cities Decry Handgun Ruling


Arrest those evil guns!

550 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:25am

In the meantime, we're finally on our way back!

Soon to be in the Med

551 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:40am

re: #540 WriterMom

Don't hold your breath. They are only interested in right wing Neo Nazis or boogah boogah scarey Christians.

I thought that there was some program to train Jewish college students to counteract the Anti-Israel crap on campuses. Was that Panim or Aish or AIPAC, maybe? I am not saying it is a big program but I am pretty sure I saw it being offered for college students to come to Dc for the project.

552 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:42am

re: #545 WriterMom

Good morning. I posted an article for you this morning...it's from the National Post. "What the Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech". It's written by a Canadian lawyer. It was awesome.

When can I get the Ferengis to teach me about their holodecks?

553 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:52am

re: #544 Hengineer

Toronto's leftist mayor is not only calling for a ban on guns, but a ban on recreational shooting in the city, or Greater Toronto Area. So smart! Just ban guns-it will make everyone so much safer! Especially gun clubs.

[thunk]

554 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:56am

re: #441 Beach Lover
Just as a P.S. - not only did I think Colin Powell was a better man than the obviuosly is, I think he has now just made himself completely irrelevent in serious political/philospohical circles.

555 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:44:58am

re: #543 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just Southern Canada

556 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:03am

re: #548 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, she was arrested down South awhile back.

557 Boston Patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:21am

Gotta disagree with you here, Charles..."Fanatic" is what Ayn Rand called and Anti-Concept. It means nothing, and is used to blur the lines between legitimate (i.e. objectively true) ideas and their opposite.

I'm a "fanatic" for freedom and individual rights. Does that make me a "monster"?

Americans have fought in numerous wars to protect freedom. Does that make them "monsters"?

I will both kill and die for my political freedom and liberty. I'm not a monster. The individual who kills and dies for religion, socialism, totalitarianism, etc....he is the monster.

"Fanaticism" as such doesn't mean anything. You have to ask: Fanatic about what?

Don't fall into the hole of moral relativism.

558 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:21am

re: #548 Honorary Yooper

But
of course, the elite can have guns, including that nutcase, Dorothy
Tillman when she was an Alderman. Dingbat brought and brandished a gun
in the middle of a city council meeting.

Did she hold it sideways, all gangsta-like?

559 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:33am

C-SPAN 3 --Washington Journal is discussing Heller.

560 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:33am

re: #542 vxbush

Great, but get a room, people.

ROCKY- get it?

561 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:45:56am

re: #551 madisonsfriend

There are Canadian equivalents but for the most part the organized community stays very quiet.

562 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:03am

re: #552 coquimbojoe

When can I get the Ferengis to teach me about their holodecks?

Rule #12: Anything worth selling is worth selling twice.

563 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:06am

re: #526 redstateredneck

Hey, you! Just had a few minutes before getting ready for work. How bout you? Spending much time at the lake this summer? How is FOS..haven't seen him around lately..or m or the rest of the old gang. I try to check in and read some when I can. I miss our afternoon DDT talks of "all the great important things"!

564 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:13am

{goddess}

565 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:21am

re: #557 Boston Patriot

Gotta disagree with you here, Charles..."Fanatic" is what Ayn Rand called and Anti-Concept. It means nothing, and is used to blur the lines between legitimate (i.e. objectively true) ideas and their opposite.

I'm a "fanatic" for freedom and individual rights. Does that make me a "monster"?

Americans have fought in numerous wars to protect freedom. Does that make them "monsters"?

I will both kill and die for my political freedom and liberty. I'm not a monster. The individual who kills and dies for religion, socialism, totalitarianism, etc....he is the monster.

"Fanaticism" as such doesn't mean anything. You have to ask: Fanatic about what?

Don't fall into the hole of moral relativism.

Ayn Rand Cultist!

Run!

566 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:32am

re: #553 WriterMom

Toronto's leftist mayor is not only calling for a ban on guns, but a ban on recreational shooting in the city, or Greater Toronto Area. So smart! Just ban guns-it will make everyone so much safer! Especially gun clubs.

[thunk]

Recreational shooting- in DC, that happens late at night esp on the weekend.

567 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:46:50am

Rightside, yellow!

568 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:47:11am

re: #557 Boston Patriot

Perhaps "zealot" would be a better word.

569 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:47:16am

re: #566 madisonsfriend

Recreational shooting- in DC, that happens late at night esp on the weekend.

Just like the recreational shooting in the gun-free zone of Virginia Tech!

570 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:47:21am

re: #560 madisonsfriend

ROCKY- get it?

I know; I dropped my sarc tag, so I messed up. Mea culpa.

571 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:47:58am

re: #570 vxbush

I know; I dropped my sarc tag, so I messed up. Mea culpa.

QED

572 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:48:37am

re: #569 Hengineer

Just like the recreational shooting in the gun-free zone of Virginia Tech!

Hey, DC had a gun ban since 1976(I got the date from someone here yesterday) so I am to understand that while I couldn't legally own a gun, everyone else in DC seems to have had one.

573 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:48:46am

re: #556 ggt

Yeah, she was arrested down South awhile back.

Yeah, I know, I cheered. :-) It was priceless watching her get arrested.

The Trib had an asinine editorial this morning:

Repeal the Second Amendment

Funny how the Chicago papers are up in arms over it, and yet, cities perceived as more violent have just reported the story as is.

574 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:48:52am

re: #552 coquimbojoe

Hollabacks?

575 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:06am

Gonna need a revision of this

576 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:06am

re: #572 madisonsfriend

exactly!

577 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:18am

re: #558 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Did she hold it sideways, all gangsta-like?

I don't remember, but she did conceal it within her purse, fully loaded.

578 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:32am

re: #554 realwest

me,too!

579 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:45am

re: #570 vxbush

I know; I dropped my sarc tag, so I messed up. Mea culpa.

Ok- plus Hengineer is almost my son's age so let's keep it clean!

580 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:49:56am

re: #553 WriterMom

Toronto's leftist mayor is not only calling for a ban on guns, but a ban on recreational shooting in the city, or Greater Toronto Area. So smart! Just ban guns-it will make everyone so much safer! Especially gun clubs.

[thunk]

"recreational shooting in the city" ?

People walking around downtown Toronto taking pot shots at pidgeons?

581 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:50:07am

re: #572 madisonsfriend

Hey, DC had a gun ban since 1976(I got the date from someone here yesterday) so I am to understand that while I couldn't legally own a gun, everyone else in DC seems to have had one.

I know it seems REALLY bad to notice this, but isn't the city of DC like 95% African-American (and at least 90% Democrat)?

582 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:50:15am

re: #566 madisonsfriend

It's the Crack Dealers Whores Gangs and Pimps Territory Shooting Club...nothing to worry about.

583 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:50:52am

re: #579 madisonsfriend

Ok- plus Hengineer is almost my son's age so let's keep it clean!

Hah, and I still recognized the Rocky quote

584 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:11am

re: #567 Hengineer

Hengineer! green! (I think)

585 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:19am

re: #576 ggt

exactly!

the map someone posted said politicians and police were exempt from the gun ban- WTF(I mean I understand police but why politicians?)

586 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:19am

re: #508 realwest

Hey, good morning back atcha {goddess}! How are you today?

{realwst}

I'm trying to overcome entropy but not very successfully...

BTW: does anyone know the status of newsjunkie_ky's step dad? I haven't read any updates, and I'm afraid I may have missed something.

587 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:39am

And just because i can:

Rule of Acquisition #276: Overbooking is standard practice.

588 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:43am

re: #534 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. - just for once, I'd love the MSM to try to do some actual reporting on a relatively simple (I'd think) matter: of all the gun violence committed in the US over say the last 10 years or so (or if the US is too broad an area for research, then say Chicago or San Francisco) to see how many of the guns used in said violence were licensed/registered firearms.
I'm actually surprised that the NRA doesn't have stats on that, but the effin' MSM in any particular big City ought to be able to figure that out fairly easily, I'd think.

589 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:51:44am

re: #550 Hengineer

In the meantime, we're finally on our way back!

Soon to be in the Med


Godspeed.

590 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:25am

re: #580 sattv4u2

Well actually there was one really tragic case of someone who had just been at a gun club with his licenced weapon shooting at a bouncer at a strip club IIRC and an innocent bystander was killed. This gave the Mayor more motivation so to speak. Of course the thing that nobody wants to say is that most of the crime here is because of Jamaican drug dealers.

591 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:25am

re: #584 rightside

Hengineer! green! (I think)

lol dude I was saying hello (yellow)....get it?

592 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:30am

re: #540 WriterMom

Don't hold your breath. They are only interested in right wing Neo Nazis or boogah boogah scarey Christians.

Then it is time for new organizations. I think there might be some, but they aren't that big yet.
But this is why my donations don't go to the traditional groups.

593 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:46am

re: #585 madisonsfriend

That's right, elected officias are exempt. So in the gun-control utopian version, the military, police and elected officials will be armed, but the general populace will not.

What does that sound like?

594 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:46am

re: #585 madisonsfriend

the map someone posted said politicians and police were exempt from the gun ban- WTF(I mean I understand police but why politicians?)

silly lizard. Politiciansd need SOMETHING to protect the cahs in their freezers !

595 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:52:49am

re: #587 vxbush

And just because i can:

Rule of Acquisition #276: Overbooking is standard practice.

My most prominent memory of Ferengis was when Troi and her mom were kidnapped by them. What's with the ear thingy?

596 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:53:16am

re: #592 Kosh's Shadow

Me either. I go to Israel, put the money into the economy directly. I also give to Magen David Adom and Beit Halochem.

597 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:53:23am

re: #545 WriterMom

Good morning. I posted an article for you this morning...it's from the National Post. "What the Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech". It's written by a Canadian lawyer. It was awesome.

Quite good. And it's both funny and sad that she says:

I'd love to use a real-life example, but the activities of human rights commissions have already slid too far down the slippery slope for my tastes, so I dare not. Instead, consider the fictitious aliens portrayed on the Star Trek television series, the Ferengi.

I will note, however, that I'm not really happy with the way ST portrayed the Ferengi; they were evil capitalists in the pure, good, quasi-socialist world of the future. (And it could also be argued that they were Der Sturmer-esque caricatures of Jews.)

598 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:53:37am

re: #563 Beach Lover

I miss our afternoon DDT talks of "all the great important things"!


Ahhh, the important issues of the day.
;-)
Not much of that going on any more, I'm afraid.

599 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:53:42am

PIMF ,,, POLITICIANS ,,, CASH ,,

600 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:53:44am

re: #594 sattv4u2

silly lizard. Politiciansd need SOMETHING to protect the cahs in their freezers !

cash? cahs sounds like Mass. for cars

601 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:54:06am

re: #595 MandyManners

My most prominent memory of Ferengis was when Troi and her mom were kidnapped by them. What's with the ear thingy?

Umlaux? (Not sure of spelling) It's a form of foreplay, I believe.

Rule #8: Small print leads to large risk.

602 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:54:10am

re: #591 Hengineer

Not until now LOL, in literal mode of course. Fair Winds and following seas shipmate, on a safe voyage home.

603 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:55:12am

re: #600 madisonsfriend

cash? cahs sounds like Mass. for cars

having been born and raised just outside of Boston (and lived there for almost 45 years ) whats wrong with CAHS ?

604 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:55:32am

re: #597 Occasional Reader

The latest in the saga is hilarious and pathetic. It's on Ezra's blog...I won't spoil it with you but basically it goes like this "So, two lesbians walk into a comedy show and start making out in the front row and heckling the comic..."

605 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:55:49am

My cat is laying next to me and twitching like crazy in her sleep. She's dreaming! I wonder if she's chasing mice....

606 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:05am

re: #573 Honorary Yooper

"On Tuesday, five members of the court edited the 2nd Amendment. In essence, they said: Scratch the preamble, only 14 words count.

In doing so, they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens."

I love how the gun-grabbers are all pretending to be big advocates of judicial restraint all of a sudden.

607 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:15am

re: #588 realwest


I don't think stats are kept on that. When trying to do research on the subject a while back, I did some searches on WISQAR - government crime data base --I think actually Health and Human Services database, not FBI.

Anyway, the only category was for crime committed with a firearm. Not, legal or non-legal firearm, not defense or criminal intent. Suicide was factored out.

There is not check-box on police reports for "defensive" use of firearms or "illegal" weapon use.

Checker gets what the checker gets.

Just remember, when either side of the issue starts spouting figures, they probably aren't official figures. They don't exist.

608 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:26am

re: #604 WriterMom

The latest in the saga is hilarious and pathetic. It's on Ezra's blog...I won't spoil it with you but basically it goes like this "So, two lesbians walk into a comedy show and start making out in the front row and heckling the comic..."

I read that, too.

It's crazy.

609 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:28am

re: #602 rightside

Not until now LOL, in literal mode of course. Fair Winds and following seas shipmate, on a safe voyage home.

Thanks, once we hit the Med we'll be kinda busy, as there will be a few Navy ships (and NATO ships that will need fuel), but for the most part it should be a speedy trip home.

We're even going to a Spanish port that no other MSC ship has gone to yet (that anyone on here knows of).

Originally it would've been Lisbon, Portugal, but I guess we got shut down from that.

610 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:47am

re: #606 Occasional Reader

"On Tuesday, five members of the court edited the 2nd Amendment. In essence, they said: Scratch the preamble, only 14 words count.

In doing so, they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens."

I love how the gun-grabbers are all pretending to be big advocates of judicial restraint all of a sudden.

And if people would actually go and read the decision, they would see that the preamble was very carefully evaluated.

Losers.

611 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:50am

re: #593 ggt

That's right, elected officias are exempt. So in the gun-control utopian version, the military, police and elected officials will be armed, but the general populace will not.

What does that sound like?

Sounds to me like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Communist China, Communist Cuba, etc, etc.

612 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:56:53am

re: #598 redstateredneck

well that's too bad, but at least I'm not missing any fun parties :-)
Those were the good ole days...drinks and frivolity with friends! At least you are still here!
Well..hafta run...you all have a great weekend!

613 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:57:06am

re: #573 Honorary Yooper Uh, other than Detroit, which cities are more violent or are perceived as more violent than Chicago?

614 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:57:11am

re: #605 vxbush

My cat is laying next to me and twitching like crazy in her sleep. She's dreaming! I wonder if she's chasing mice....

or a nightmare ,,, giant mice chasing HER !

615 docremulac  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:57:31am

Lying is a sacrament to the left.

Regarding the Times poll showing McCain behind by 15 points? Only 22% of the people polled were Republicans according to the Wall St Journal.

Wall St Journal showing how the libs got those poll numbers.

The most exciting concept in life to progressives is the "Lie that's technically not a lie" like the above poll asking if you'll vote Republican taken of non-Republicans. It's like those repetitive articles on the "Epidemic of suicides in the Military" that leave out the fact that Military suicides are a fraction of what they are in the general population.

The way to gain stature in the progressive community is to come up with a new way to lie about something in a way that's hard to catch.

But then again, a progressive's whole life is a lie. They're communists that don't want anybody to know the Communist Manifesto is their Bible so why shouldn't lying extent into everything they do.

I think it gives them a rush and makes them feel good. Feeling good right now is the only thing liberals care about since they don't believe in the future, their country, their people, hope, life, or faith. Life to them is a miserable burden, so if they can grab some power, steal some money, hurt somebody or otherwise feel good just for the day, they consider it a good day.

616 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:58:13am

re: #605 vxbush

more likely she is deep in plotting the complete subjugation of human-kind.

617 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:58:38am

re: #596 WriterMom

Me either. I go to Israel, put the money into the economy directly. I also give to Magen David Adom and Beit Halochem.

Me, too- our last trip was pretty expensive- but I justified it by saying how much was going to the Israeli economy(there was a huge difference in this trip - a tour- and my others- much fancier hotels- I thought the buffets were big before!). My "house" charity(the money you find in the laundry, the sofa, the floor, outside) is Mogen David Adom. I also send pizza,burgers, soda to the IDF.

618 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:58:55am

re: #545 WriterMom

Good morning. I posted an article for you this morning...it's from the National Post. "What the Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech". It's written by a Canadian lawyer. It was awesome.

I don't get it. The Ferengis have their own society, and seem good enough citizens on DS-9. The National Post can just scratch my lobes.

619 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:01am

re: #616 ggt

more likely she is deep in plotting the complete subjugation of human-kind.

LOL! Very true, with her.

620 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:04am

re: #603 sattv4u2

having been born and raised just outside of Boston (and lived there for almost 45 years ) whats wrong with CAHS ?

Can you put them in your freezer? You must have a really big house!

621 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:17am

re: #613 realwest

uh, I think we might be living in one! :-(

622 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:22am

re: #613 realwest

Uh, other than Detroit, which cities are more violent or are perceived as more violent than Chicago?


We're trying real hard here in Philly.

623 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:25am

re: #575 SasquatchOnSteroids Yeah, but I wish they could make a map showing just two things: States where gun ownership is legal/illegal and States by murder rate by illegally obtained firearms.

624 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 7:59:46am

re: #613 realwest

Uh, other than Detroit, which cities are more violent or are perceived as more violent than Chicago?

East L.A., New Orleans, East St. Louis, Washington D.C., Newark N.J.

625 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:00:01am

re: #608 goddessoftheclassroom

The comic was, of course, incredibly vulgar. But the government should stay the hell out of comedy clubs forcryingoutloud.

626 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:00:03am

re: #605 vxbush

My cat is laying next to me and twitching like crazy in her sleep. She's dreaming! I wonder if she's chasing mice....

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

/I am such a cat nut...

627 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:00:07am

re: #618 itellu3times

I don't get it. The Ferengis have their own society, and seem good enough citizens on DS-9. The National Post can just scratch my lobes.

Rule #259: Wealth not yours might well as not exist.

628 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:00:31am

re: #620 madisonsfriend

Can you put them in your freezer? You must have a really big house!

or a really small CAH !

629 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:00:57am

re: #617 madisonsfriend

Perfect. I think it's a much better way to support Israel.

630 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:01:12am

re: #623 realwest

Yeah, but I wish they could make a map showing just two things: States where gun ownership is legal/illegal and States by murder rate by illegally obtained firearms.

I would imagine John Lott has stats like that (More Guns, Less Crime).

631 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:01:49am

re: #627 vxbush

Rule #259: Wealth not yours might well as not exist.

Really? Isn't there another rule like, "All wealth is yours, it just doesn't know it yet"?

632 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:01:58am

re: #618 itellu3times

The National Post can just scratch my lobes.

ROFL.

633 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:02:27am

re: #587 vxbush

Rule 266: When in Doubt, lie.

634 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:02:33am

re: #625 WriterMom

The comic was, of course, incredibly vulgar. But the government should stay the hell out of comedy clubs forcryingoutloud.

ABSOLUTELY! If it were America, I'd argue it's the right to assemble. Comedy club comics do tend to be vulgar and to attack hecklers--HELLO?

If a person doesn't want to be insulted or her sensibilities offended, she should choose not to be entertained at such an establishment. She and her friends were not a captive audience.

635 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:03:24am

re: #541 SasquatchOnSteroids

Asshat pic of the minute

Let's see... Illegal immigrants, Crime sweep... I don't see the problem.

636 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:03:27am

re: #593 ggt

That's right, elected officias are exempt. So in the gun-control utopian version, the military, police and elected officials will be armed, but the general populace will not.

What does that sound like?

Nazi Germany right before Hitler went on his Satanic war.

637 David Simon  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:03:40am

re: #611 Honorary Yooper

Sounds to me like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Communist China, Communist Cuba, etc, etc.

Amen. Leftist Utopian visions almost always end in dystopian realities. But it never stops them from moving on to the next bad idea.

638 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:03:53am

re: #630 Occasional Reader

John Lott, that's it !
Heard them talking about him on the radio home from work the other day. Made a mental note to write it down when I got home, wife asked me to take the SUV to the local shop when I got home, and....poof....forgot it.

Thanks !

639 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:04:02am
640 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:04:15am

re: #622 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We're trying real hard here in Philly.

Oh, I know, but Philly, city of brotherly love, home of the declaration and the liberty bell, and Rocky, and the cheesesteak, broad-shouldered cheese creamer to the world?

641 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:05:21am

re: #613 realwest

Uh, other than Detroit, which cities are more violent or are perceived as more violent than Chicago?

That was my point. The two Detroit papers are simply reporting the facts about the decision. The two Chicago papers have it as front page news, and the Tribune even has an editiorial against the decision.

Of course, Michigan is a "shall issue" concealed carry state, and an unregulated unconcealed carry state with no additional restrictions within the City of Detroit. Illinois has FOID cards, bans concealed and unconcealed carry, and even has cities than ban guns altogether, like Chicago.

Compare:

Detroit News

Chicago Sun-Times

Chicago Tribune

Compare the three from the editorial boards of each. The Detroit Free Press didn't even have an editorial comment from their board about it.

642 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:05:37am

re: #637 David Simon

They never, ever learn.

643 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:06:05am

There was one ST:DS9 ep (don't recall which) in which the writers gave Quark a pretty good F___-You line. After a human makes yet another cutting remark about the greedy Ferengi, he shoots back something like, "I've read about your history on Earth. Slavery. Genocide. It's true, we Ferengi aren't like you. We're better."

Heh.

644 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:06:27am

re: #609 Hengineer


Sweet. I've been to Malaga, Benidorm and Palma De Mallorca. All excellent, and topless beaches too. (Although topless means some you would rather not see that way LOL plenty of manboobs there too!)

645 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:06:34am

re: #607 ggt Huh, I find that really strange. I mean, last time I lived there, in NYC if you were caught possessing an illegal handgun you were mandatorily sentenced to one year in jail, even if the only crime you committed was the one of only owning an illegal handgun.
So I'd have to think a check of the court decisions in NYC Criminal Courts would yield some data on those caught committing crimes with unlicensed handguns - it would be an added on charge to a more serious offense like murder, armed robbery, rape, etc.

646 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:06:52am

re: #634 goddessoftheclassroom

Did you watch the clip of the comic? He had a pretty fantastic grip on the whole freedom of speech thing. Something like 'I don't care about your sexual orientation, I care if you are an asshole and a heckler'. LOL.

So, he's an equal opportunity asshole.

647 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:07:13am

re: #637 David Simon

Amen. Leftist Utopian visions almost always end in dystopian realities. But it never stops them from moving on to the next bad idea.

As James Lileks memorably put it: Utopia always seemed to come with a concentration camp attached. (Quoting from memory.)

648 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:07:30am

re: #644 rightside

Terrimolinos.

PARTay ParTAY.

649 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:08:21am

re: #612 Beach Lover
Ah, most of the DDTer's have been banned or just voluntarily decided to stop coming here, iirc.

650 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #643 Occasional Reader

There was one ST:DS9 ep (don't recall which) in which the writers gave Quark a pretty good F___-You line. After a human makes yet another cutting remark about the greedy Ferengi, he shoots back something like, "I've read about your history on Earth. Slavery. Genocide. It's true, we Ferengi aren't like you. We're better."

Heh.

I always had the uncomfortable feeling that the Ferengi were sort of based on stereotypes about Jews. But hey, I had the same sort of vague impressions of that about the dwarves in LOTR, but that was only partial, certainly, at most.

651 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:09:31am

re: #541 SasquatchOnSteroids

Asshat pic of the minute

Oh, please.

652 So?  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:10:24am

Fuck Bush, he's hosting Abu Dabba Doo

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Thye continue fucking with oil and we run there like sheep to make a buck. These people are building a paradise on your life blood. Fuck Abu Dabi. Fuck Bush.

/was I clear enough

653 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:11:00am

re: #626 goddessoftheclassroom

Heh--my grandkitty made it to stuffonmycat.com!

654 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:11:33am

re: #546 Dustoff-507

Realwest

OK good buddy. I'm sitting at my desk with a t-shirt on and jeans on. Talking off to do some diving today. The water looks nice a clear.

Have a great weekend buddy and to all of my lizard friends. (you too Charles)

I'm green (or whatever color a Lizard uses) with envy. Edmonds Underwater Park?

655 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:11:59am

re: #644 rightside

Sweet. I've been to Malaga, Benidorm and Palma De Mallorca. All excellent, and topless beaches too. (Although topless means some you would rather not see that way LOL plenty of manboobs there too!)

Si, Palma de Majorca is a gorgeous place, the topless beach of Magaluf was unbelievable.....(I'm drooling as we speak). We're supposed to go to La Coruna

656 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:13:07am

re: #652 So?

Not sure I understand your point.

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

657 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:13:41am

re: #594 sattv4u2

silly lizard. Politiciansd need SOMETHING to protect the cahs in their freezers !

You Bostonians sure talk funny.

658 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:08am

re: #648 WriterMom

Hard rock cafe! Still have the tank top somewhere!

659 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:19am

re: #652 So?

Right, if YOU were President, you'd just give all those oil-producing countries the finger, and then... sorry, what's the next step in the plan again? Something about collecting underpants, I think?

660 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:31am
661 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:37am

re: #657 debutaunt

You Bostonians sure talk funny.

you should see the way I dress!

662 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:51am

re: #620 madisonsfriend

Can you put them in your freezer? You must have a really big house!

Must be Tonka cahs.

663 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:54am

re: #655 Hengineer


We have a Spanish student in house right now, I will have to ask him about La Coruna

664 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:15:55am

re: #596 WriterMom

Me either. I go to Israel, put the money into the economy directly. I also give to Magen David Adom and Beit Halochem.

I haven't been to Israel in a few years; need to go back. Last trip was around 2001, before the latest intifada (like it isn't the same one that started in 1947, or earlier)
Magen David Adom gets my donations, as well as other orgnaizations. I had tried to donate to Navah recently (they support victims of terrorism and their families), but their web site was screwed up and donations didn't work.

665 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:16:19am
666 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:16:20am

re: #659 Occasional Reader

LOL ,,,, Plan A, screw them

Plan B ,,, ummmm,,, ?!?!?!?!?!

667 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:17:01am

re: #663 rightside

The MWR officer is trying to setup the ship's party there

668 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:17:56am

re: #660 FrogMarch

Evidence that civilization is collapsing.

Where are his bits and pieces?

669 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:18:12am

re: #615 docremulac
"I think it gives them a rush and makes them feel good" - Sorry, gotta disagree with you on that. Polls like that one are designed to win over uncommitted voters - you know, everyone loves a winner and wants to be able to say they voted for the winner.
But, as I've said before, the average American is much, much smarter than the ultra Left will ever give them credit for; once the average American is in the secret voting booth, I believe most of them pull the lever for the person who they feel they can trust and they don't trust "flip-floppers".
Geez, doesn't anyone remember the polls showing Kerry winning in 2004 by a SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE MARGIN? Or how Dan Rather and CBS tried to unlawfully sway that election with those phony, forged TANG memos which Sir Charles so quickly proved were lies (and thanks again for that Charles!).

670 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:18:56am

Holy smokes, I'm so far behind - why don't all y'all go get some coffee or something and give an old man a chance to catch up?!

671 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:19:05am

re: #650 itellu3times

I always had the uncomfortable feeling that the Ferengi were sort of based on stereotypes about Jews. But hey, I had the same sort of vague impressions of that about the dwarves in LOTR, but that was only partial, certainly, at most.

Of course, Armin Shimmerman (Quark) is Jewish.

672 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:19:14am

re: #660 FrogMarch

Evidence that civilization is collapsing.

For some reason, that would look so much better on someone who's female.

673 So?  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:19:23am

re: #659 Occasional Reader

Right, if YOU were President, you'd just give all those oil-producing countries the finger, and then... sorry, what's the next step in the plan again? Something about collecting underpants, I think?

I think the US should start pumping Iraqi oil for the next 10 years to repay us for the 4000 + lives lost... 40, 000 injured and maimed and the trillions spent.

And screw world opinion. How do they repay the US hand out contracts to every Tom, Dick & Abdul around the world.

Food prices are already sky-rocketing...

Wait till winter hits, it won't be funny...

Signing off for now. Have fun.

674 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:19:40am

re: #668 MandyManners

Where are his bits and pieces?

That's part of the evidence. the lack of bits and pieces.

675 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:20:04am

re: #615 docremulac

From that article:

But both polls appear to be outliers.

When I told Mr. w that the poll was an "outlier," he said, "No, it's an out-and-out liar." I thought that was funny 'cause it's true."

676 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:20:07am

re: #621 Beach Lover
What do you mean "We"?!?

677 Alouette  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:20:12am

re: #507 rlevitin

It's Canada Day, July 1st, which is the tuesday, but some workplaces are pulling it to the monday.

It's the Canadian July 4th ;)

Oh cool, so should I assume the traffic is all going in the opposite direction?

678 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:20:16am

gotta go to work. I'll catch up there.

679 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:21:12am

re: #665 MandyManners

Nelson Mandela's birthday party.

Happy Birthday commie!

680 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:21:27am

re: #624 sattv4u2
OK, I shoulda prefaced my remark with a "Large City", not portions or sections of cities.

681 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:21:28am

re: #670 realwest

Holy smokes, I'm so far behind - why don't all y'all go get some coffee or something and give an old man a chance to catch up?!

You're not doing so bad. You beat my response to #615 by 5 comments.

682 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:22:07am

re: #672 Honorary Yooper

For some reason, that would look so much better on someone who's female.

Yes. And actually if that model got a boob job and a nice wig - he'd be a female.

683 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:22:34am

re: #593 ggt

That's right, elected officias are exempt. So in the gun-control utopian version, the military, police and elected officials will be armed, but the general populace will not.

What does that sound like?

The motherland?

684 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:22:35am

re: #658 rightside

Picture a dozen Canadian high school girls with limited Spanish singing Billy Joel kareoke in Tormolinos with drunken English pub dudes. LOL.

685 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:22:55am

re: #630 Occasional Reader Hey thanks O.R., but do you have a link to that or is it another one of my ever increasing stack of Must Read Books?!

686 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:23:17am

re: #484 ggt

I notice McCain looks almost albino sometimes. He needs better make-up artists or to spend a few mintues in the sun each day. The visual comparison with Barry isn't good.

Channelling memories of the Nixon v Kennedy debate. Visuals are important.


McCain is what he is. He can't really get sun, because he had a case of skin cancer from the sun.
The difference in age, agility and energy with Obama puts McCain at a disadvantage. His awkward arm & sholder movement is due to his war injuries & torture.
McCains advantage is his resume and macho demeanor.
The 527's need to really get into gear for him. Obama is a fat target.

687 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:23:26am

re: #674 FrogMarch

That's part of the evidence. the lack of bits and pieces.

Blame Mens Fashion

688 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:23:49am

re: #587 vxbush

And just because i can:

Rule of Acquisition #276: Overbooking is standard practice.

I didn't know that the Ferengi ran the airline industry.

689 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:24:25am

re: #674 FrogMarch

That's part of the evidence. the lack of bits and pieces.

Like the dog that didn't bark?

690 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:24:42am

re: #684 WriterMom

OMG I think I was there to witness that! 1989? LMAO

691 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:24:56am

re: #679 Ward Cleaver

Happy Birthday commie!

Quite a collection of pretty people and moonbats.

692 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:25:36am

re: #672 Honorary Yooper

For some reason, that would look so much better on someone who's female.

There goes my appetite.

693 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:25:45am

re: #688 Cygnus

I didn't know that the Ferengi ran the airline industry.

Well now you know why most of the airline industry has such shitty customer service.

694 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:25:47am

re: #690 rightside

LOLOL.

695 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:00am

re: #684 WriterMom

Picture a dozen Canadian high school girls with limited Spanish singing Billy Joel kareoke in Tormolinos with drunken English pub dudes. LOL.

TORREMOLINOS!

696 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:30am

re: #693 Honorary Yooper

Did you ever see the comedy sketch where people talk about their unnatural fear of stewardesses? "You pay all this money for your $($(&**(&$% ticket and when it comes down to asking for another bag of STINKING PEANUTS, everone gets all scared...oh pppp-lease can I have another bag if it's not too much trouble, please Ms. Stewardess, please?"

697 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:35am

re: #686 opnion

McCain is what he is. He can't really get sun, because he had a case of skin cancer from the sun.
The difference in age, agility and energy with Obama puts McCain at a disadvantage. His awkward arm & sholder movement is due to his war injuries & torture.
McCains advantage is his resume and macho demeanor.
The 527's need to really get into gear for him. Obama is a fat target.

As someone was saying on Hewitt's show yesterday, the 527s are a little gun-shy to go after Obama on McCain's behalf, because they're afraid that McCain will denounce them if they go hard after Obama.

698 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:52am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

GA! The Pedant Patrol! Curses!

699 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:54am

re: #685 realwest

Hey thanks O.R., but do you have a link to that or is it another one of my ever increasing stack of Must Read Books?!

It's a book.

700 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:27:57am

re: #660 FrogMarch

Evidence that civilization is collapsing.

Uh...that's just wrong.

701 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:28:41am

re: #693 Honorary Yooper

Despite forking out a fortune in gold-pressed latinum

702 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:28:53am

re: #696 WriterMom

Did you ever see the comedy sketch where people talk about their unnatural fear of stewardesses? "You pay all this money for your $($(&**(&$% ticket and when it comes down to asking for another bag of STINKING PEANUTS, everone gets all scared...oh pppp-lease can I have another bag if it's not too much trouble, please Ms. Stewardess, please?"

Especially nowadays, all they have to do is point and you get hauled away by an air marshall or something.

703 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:29:01am

re: #696 WriterMom

Can't say I've seen that sketch. I saw the SNL one where the flight attendants are essentially shoving people off the plane.

Buh-bye.

704 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:29:19am

re: #683 Ward Cleaver

Uh, don't ya mean the Fatherland?!

705 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:29:39am

re: #691 MandyManners

Quite a collection of pretty people and moonbats.

I caught the rundown last night on Entertainment Tonight. The usual celebrity scum was there.

In other news, Ben Affleck has taken notice of the situation in the Congo, and has hooked up with the UN (bad idea).

706 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:30:16am

re: #696 WriterMom

Did you ever see the comedy sketch where people talk about their unnatural fear of stewardesses? "You pay all this money for your $($(&**(&$% ticket and when it comes down to asking for another bag of STINKING PEANUTS, everone gets all scared...oh pppp-lease can I have another bag if it's not too much trouble, please Ms. Stewardess, please?"

Very different on airlines in South America; it's like being on a plane in North America in the 1960s (or as I imagine it must have been). Fetching young things who, in addition, are nice to you. (Yes, I know that first part is terribly sexist... please don't denounce me to the CHRC!)

707 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:30:21am

re: #704 realwest

Uh, don't ya mean the Fatherland?!

I was thinking of Mother Russia.

708 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:30:44am

re: #705 Ward Cleaver

I caught the rundown last night on Entertainment Tonight. The usual celebrity scum was there.

In other news, Ben Affleck has taken notice of the situation in the Congo, and has hooked up with the UN (bad idea).

Oh but because he's white, he's rich, and he's famous people will all of a sudden take notice and fix it!

I mean for reals!

709 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:31:04am

re: #673 So? IF we were to "take" all of Iraqi's oil money, where would Iraq get the money to rebuild it's infrastructure, provide the governmental services necessary for a Democracy to provide for it's citizens and become Security Independent?!

710 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:31:08am

re: #680 realwest

OK, I shoulda prefaced my remark with a "Large City", not portions or sections of cities.

Top "murder rate" cities (stats for 2006)

Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, Newark, St. Louis, Oakland, D.C.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

711 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:31:24am

re: #705 Ward Cleaver

In other news, Ben Affleck has taken notice of the situation in the Congo, and has hooked up with the UN (bad idea).

Hey, if he can do for the Congolese what he did for the filmgoing public in Gigli...

712 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:31:33am

re: #671 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, Armin Shimmerman (Quark) is Jewish.

There is no hate in Trek universe, but even so, just sayin'. I've seen sf aliens based on Japanese, and certainly on Islam. Gives it a certain vague believability, even if you don't get the source, maybe more so if you don't get the source.

713 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:31:45am

re: #680 realwest

OK, I shoulda prefaced my remark with a "Large City", not portions or sections of cities.


The solution for gun crime is the same in any village, town, city, metropolis, it's called, if you commit a crime with a firearm, you are going to go away, either for a very long time, or for life.

Daley, Bloomberg, they both allow their city attorneys to either plea bargain or light sentence these criminals out, to the tune of up to and over, 30 repeat crimes, with firearms.

These criminals are often back out on the streets, even after serious gun crimes, within a year, sometimes, only months.

If they are serious about reducing gun crimes, as they say, why do they allow this?

Criminals don't care about any laws, much less gun laws, they don't even know what gun laws do or don't exist, so with little exception, every gun control law ONLY affects law abiding citizens who are not any part of the gun crime problems.

Sometimes it seems as if these mayors want the gun crime to perpetuate, so they can stay high on their "gun control" platforms, otherwise, if they were serious, and honest about wanting to reduce gun crimes, which they have total control over, at least in that they can insure that criminals are put away for a long time or for good, instead of letting them back out 30 plus times even after serious gun crimes.

They scream GUN CONTROL, while the only people who commit crimes with guns, are the criminals that they perpetually let back out on the streets.

I smell a rat, there!

714 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:32:02am

re: #697 Ward Cleaver

As someone was saying on Hewitt's show yesterday, the 527s are a little gun-shy to go after Obama on McCain's behalf, because they're afraid that McCain will denounce them if they go hard after Obama.

I think that the McCain campaign now accepts that they need the 527's to bail them out. He might do a mild rebuke, but nothing more.
At least that is what I am hearing.
Obama did not denounce the smear job that move on just did on McCain. With the public funding limitations, someone has to get the word out about Barry.

715 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:32:42am

re: #711 Occasional Reader

Hey, if he can do for the Congolese what he did for the filmgoing public in Gigli...

You mean put them to sleep?

716 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:33:16am

re: #700 Ford_Prefect

Uh...that's just wrong.


THe End of Days!

717 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:33:42am

re: #706 Occasional Reader

Very different on airlines in South America; it's like being on a plane in North America in the 1960s (or as I imagine it must have been). Fetching young things who, in addition, are nice to you. (Yes, I know that first part is terribly sexist... please don't denounce me to the CHRC!)

Dude, you should check out Emirates Airlines then.

Multi-ethnic flight attendents who are ALL very fetching, and gorgeous (man there was this Kenyan, if I wasn't going to a ship, I would've attempted to take her out).

Not to mention they treat you like royalty....in coach!

718 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:33:46am

re: #699 Occasional Reader Crap, I was afraid of that! Sigh, book number 212 for me to read.
Sigh.

719 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:34:07am

re: #713 republic

The solution for gun crime is the same in any village, town, city, metropolis, it's called, if you commit a crime with a firearm, you are going to go away, either for a very long time, or for life.

Daley, Bloomberg, they both allow their city attorneys to either plea bargain or light sentence these criminals out, to the tune of up to and over, 30 repeat crimes, with firearms.

These criminals are often back out on the streets, even after serious gun crimes, within a year, sometimes, only months.

If they are serious about reducing gun crimes, as they say, why do they allow this?

Criminals don't care about any laws, much less gun laws, they don't even know what gun laws do or don't exist, so with little exception, every gun control law ONLY affects law abiding citizens who are not any part of the gun crime problems.

Sometimes it seems as if these mayors want the gun crime to perpetuate, so they can stay high on their "gun control" platforms, otherwise, if they were serious, and honest about wanting to reduce gun crimes, which they have total control over, at least in that they can insure that criminals are put away for a long time or for good, instead of letting them back out 30 plus times even after serious gun crimes.

They scream GUN CONTROL, while the only people who commit crimes with guns, are the criminals that they perpetually let back out on the streets.

I smell a rat, there!

"Yeah, what's the big idea with putting all these people in prison?"

- bho

720 Spetiam  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:34:45am

Not to rehash old news...but where did Kos get Obama's certificate of live birth?

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

721 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:34:57am

In regards to the thread opening quote.

I am a fanatic!

Fanatic about...
LIFE
LIBERTY
PROPERTY

These rights are intrinsic to all.

722 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:36:08am

re: #707 Ward Cleaver
Ah and I was thinking of Germany! LOL! Different places, same results.

723 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:36:36am

Where's his records? Eight years in office in IL and no records? Nothing? Everything down the circular file?

This stinks - rotten to the core.

724 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:38:26am

re: #687 rightside

Blame Mens Fashion

It's a metrosexual world.

I don't know why that made me think of this?

725 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:38:49am

re: #717 Hengineer

Dude, you should check out Emirates Airlines then.

They don't go where I need to go.
I don't understand why US air carriers are chronically incapable of offering good service (with Continental being a partial exception).

726 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:39:02am

re: #719 Ward Cleaver

"Yeah, what's the big idea with putting all these people in prison?"

- bho


It seems like when these kook leftists, Mo Obama included, look at crime statistics, they can't, for whatever reason, see the criminal as involved.

It's always some other fault, "victim", etc.

Seriously, the burden is on these mayors, to insure that criminals go away for a long time when they commit gun crimes.

Duh!

727 godfrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:39:16am

re: #723 lawhawk

Stinks? From an executive, it's incompetent.

728 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:39:24am

re: #721 JCM

In regards to the thread opening quote.

I am a fanatic!

Fanatic about...
LIFE
LIBERTY
PROPERTY

These rights are intrinsic to all.

Property? Since there is only so much land how is property a right?

The pursuit of happiness is a much better right, our own founding fathers got that more precisely correct.

729 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:39:53am

re: #717 Hengineer

TAM (Brazil) is quite nice, too.

(OR likes Brazilian stewardesses, big surprise, right?)

730 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:40:06am

re: #725 Occasional Reader

They don't go where I need to go.
I don't understand why US air carriers are chronically incapable of offering good service (with Continental being a partial exception).

US Airways is actually pretty good, so is America West (US Air's partner).

I almost exclusively fly USAir/AmericaWest when in the states....

731 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:40:22am

re: #723 lawhawk

Where's his records? Eight years in office in IL and no records? Nothing? Everything down the circular file?

This stinks - rotten to the core.

Can't he be sued under the Freedom of Information Act?

Or is that something that only conservatives can be sued under.

732 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:40:35am

re: #729 Occasional Reader

TAM (Brazil) is quite nice, too.

(OR likes Brazilian stewardesses, big surprise, right?)

Hah, I've heard Singapore Airlines is THE best in the world.

733 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:41:20am

re: #728 Hengineer

Property? Since there is only so much land how is property a right?

You're kidding, aren't you?

Your right to possess, enjoy and dispose of the property which you lawfully acquire... that's a right.

734 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:41:44am

re: #720 Spetiam
Kos said that Obama (or more probably Obama's campaign gave it to him). But it's a NON-ISSUE. Obama was born in Hawaii when it was a state. Period. This bullshit about his not being qualified to be elected POTUS is just designed to distract us from all the all too real bad aspects of Obama being POTUS.
And Frankly, you've been registered here since 2004 and that's your 16th comment - tell the truth, you're an Obama or Kos or DU sleeper, ain'tcha?!

735 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:42:33am

re: #720 Spetiam

Not to rehash old news...but where did Kos get Obama's certificate of live birth?

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

I'm thinking Markos Moulitsas just made it up, or had it made up, based on a real Hawai'i Certification of Birth. The Obama campaign would've released it to the MSM, not to Moulitsas and the Daily Kos.

736 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:42:46am

re: #725 Occasional Reader

They don't go where I need to go.
I don't understand why US air carriers are chronically incapable of offering good service (with Continental being a partial exception).


We were on a Mexicana flight to Ixtapa some years ago.
They took off about 10 minutes late. They felt bad & to make it up, it was an open bar all of the way, with great snacks, one after another.
Olle!. The only downside is that they kept running drinks to the cockpit.
One guy would come out to use the washroom, go back & out would come the next one. Hell of a flight.

737 Spetiam  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:43:11am

re: #734 realwest

Whatever.

738 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:43:25am

re: #733 Occasional Reader

You're kidding, aren't you?

Your right to possess, enjoy and dispose of the property which you lawfully acquire... that's a right.

Nah, otherwise eminent domain would be considered unconstitutional.

739 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:43:37am

re: #735 Honorary Yooper

I'm thinking Markos Moulitsas just made it up, or had it made up, based on a real Hawai'i Certification of Birth. The Obama campaign would've released it to the MSM, not to Moulitsas and the Daily Kos.


There is no official seal stamped anywhere on the faux birth certificate of Mo Obama.

740 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:43:42am

re: #713 republic

It stems from the lefts inability to accept and recognize evil, that people are intrinsically good, and when they do wrong external forces caused them to do the act.

The gun enables the act, the person is absolved by the enablement of the gun.

For a lefty to accept the person is responsible for their act, the entire leftiest agenda of a nanny state protecting an person from all consequences of actions collapses.

It not just the guns, it's the entire leftist agenda they are preserving.

741 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:44:14am

re: #723 lawhawk

Where's his records? Eight years in office in IL and no records? Nothing? Everything down the circular file?

This stinks - rotten to the core.

Hey, you can't expect Obama to still have records from his time in office back in those dim, distant days of 2003. I mean, those things were probably written on papyrus scrolls or something.

742 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:44:57am

re: #725 Occasional Reader

They don't go where I need to go.
I don't understand why US air carriers are chronically incapable of offering good service (with Continental being a partial exception).

No idea, but I've never had bad service on Southwest. United and American on the other hand have been terrible. My experience with Northwest to Honolulu was that they weren't all that bad, but that was LAX (world's worst airport) to Honolulu.

It'll be a long time before I fly out of O'Hare again though. Midway is so much nicer.

743 godfrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:45:00am

re: #741 Occasional Reader

Besides, Obama was too busy "inspiring" people. He sees the big picture, man! Can't you see that?

744 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:45:13am

It might be a minor right, but the 3 big rights outlined in our Declaration of Independance are good indeed.

A pursuit of happiness is a much FREER right than that of property. It outlines the government (nor anyone else) can stop you from pursuing your dreams (provided they don't infringe on anyone else's pursuit).

745 ggt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:45:30am

Got distracted and now have to log-off to run errands.

Have a great day all!

746 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:46:05am

re: #738 Hengineer

Nah, otherwise eminent domain would be considered unconstitutional.

Except that the Constitution specifically provides for it.

You really think that there is no such thing as property rights?

747 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #723 lawhawk
All that shows is that he's smarter than Hillary was with her Rose Law Firm records (boxes of 'em) that someone, suddenly, showed up ON her desk in the WH.
Methinks WE all know that Obama is a liar and an empty suit; what we have to do is convince the MSM that there's a Pulitzer out there waiting for them to catch up to us!

748 godfrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:46:27am

re: #742 Honorary Yooper

It'll be a long time before I fly out of O'Hare again though. Midway is so much nicer.

Word. O'Hare is like a perpetual Berlin Airlift.

749 Yashmak  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:47:08am
These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq.

I assume the author means they're trumped up then.

750 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:47:42am

re: #742 Honorary Yooper

No idea, but I've never had bad service on Southwest. United and American on the other hand have been terrible. My experience with Northwest to Honolulu was that they weren't all that bad, but that was LAX (world's worst airport) to Honolulu.

It'll be a long time before I fly out of O'Hare again though. Midway is so much nicer.

I agree. Southwest is a great business model. They move people & do it with a great attitude.
United on the other hand is so understaffed, that they look for reasons not to fly & the arrogant attitude is infuriating.

751 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:47:48am

re: #740 JCM

It stems from the lefts inability to accept and recognize evil, that people are intrinsically good, and when they do wrong external forces caused them to do the act.

The gun enables the act, the person is absolved by the enablement of the gun.

For a lefty to accept the person is responsible for their act, the entire leftist agenda of a nanny state protecting an person from all consequences of actions collapses.

It not just the guns, it's the entire leftist agenda they are preserving.


This is why the areas that have the most strict gun control laws, has the highest gun crimes.

The left is dangerous at running anything, they'd be better off disbanding and moving to different countries..

752 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:47:53am

re: #748 godfrey

Word. O'Hare is like a perpetual Berlin Airlift.

One time we were there and some fool dropped a huge bag of coal on us.

753 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:48:03am

re: #723 lawhawk

Where's his records? Eight years in office in IL and no records? Nothing? Everything down the circular file?

This stinks - rotten to the core.

Obama did not keep any correspondence with the general public. Ditto for letters to or from state associations and lobbyists, memos on legislation and correspondence with Illinois state agencies. The campaign said Illinois agencies have copies of his requests for information or help, but accessing those records would involve contacting the agencies and asking them to comb though eight years of records to find correspondence from Obama."

He got early practice on shoving stuff down the memory hole.

754 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:48:12am

They're dictators and terrorists, but look what clean streets!

Hamas just celebrated its first anniversary of power in the Gaza Strip amid massive misinterpretations regarding the situation there.

Ironically, Hamas's victory and survival has little to do with Israel.

Instead, it rests on the rotten strategy of Yasir Arafat, who ruled the Palestinian movement for 35 years by establishing a weak, anarchic, corrupt and factionalized structure which he played like a violin. Only after Arafat's death did the Palestine Liberation Organization pay the price: Fatah collapsed in the Gaza Strip, first electorally, then militarily. Following which, having failed at governing, Fatah proved itself a failure in opposition as well.

As for Hamas, its power is founded on repression, radical ideology, international protection and an incompetent enemy. As one Palestinian storekeeper told an American reporter, "What can we do? Hamas is even stronger than a year ago. They can take me and put me away whenever they want."

FATAH IS its own worst enemy in combating Hamas.

President George Bush recently stated that a Fatah-ruled Palestinian state should be quickly developed since, "It will serve as an alternative vision to what is happening in Gaza."

This is rubbish. No matter how much money the West pumps in, the nationalists are not going to offer an attractive regime. Fatah's lower level of still-considerable repression as compared to Hamas is counterbalanced by the corruption and anarchy included in the package.

755 right wing zephyr  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:48:52am

re: #737 Spetiam

Whatever.

Clearly you didn't read the FAQ and lgf rules. Rule #1 If you don't post very much you're a moby, sleeper, or troll. If you start to post more, see rule #1

756 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:49:17am

I have only taken Southwest a couple of times, but hear good things about it.

United is awful. I think USAir is awful, too, I'm surprised to see anyone say anything positive about it. American is pretty bad, but has its good days.

757 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:49:25am

re: #752 debutaunt

One time we were there and some fool dropped a huge bag of coal on us.

Even Santa loses his luggage at O'Hare.

758 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:49:50am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

{realwest} Hello, luv.

*smoooooooooochie-smoooooooooch-SMOOOOOOCH*

How are you today and thanks very much for remembering our Canada Day next Tuesday. :D

759 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:50:02am

re: #757 Honorary Yooper

Even Santa loses his luggage at O'Hare.

Funny!

760 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:50:12am

re: #746 Occasional Reader

Except that the Constitution specifically provides for it.

You really think that there is no such thing as property rights?

I never said that, I just said it wasn't one of the "big three".

If I thought the big three were the only rights, then I would be screaming to throw out the Bill of Rights.

I'm just saying that our Founding Fathers were more correct in substituting "Pursuit of Happiness" in for "Property". Granted I think they did it in a spirit of Patrician versus Pleb, I do think there are property rights, as a bit of the property rights falls under "Pursuit of Happiness".

I just wonder why you mentioned those three rights, as if the Declaration of Independance was written that way.

761 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:50:15am

re: #731 republic

Can't he be sued under the Freedom of Information Act?

Or is that something that only conservatives can be sued under.

I don't think there's anything to FOIA. Someone familiar with IL law should check and see what was required to be kept by legislators and the state for his term in office and beyond.

When one thinks that this guy is coming onto the national stage with a tabula rasa, they aren't kidding. He literally has no background other than what his chosen outlets tell you he has.

762 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #735 Honorary Yooper Please see my # 734. And his/her/it's comment #737.
Nailed that sucker good.

763 zulubaby  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:50:53am

re: #724 FrogMarch

It's a metrosexual world.

I don't know why that made me think of this?

Crying, as I usually do when I watch Eddie Izzard.

764 David Simon  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:51:44am

re: #742 Honorary Yooper

It'll be a long time before I fly out of O'Hare again though. Midway is so much nicer.

As is Mitchell (Milwaukee). Definitely worth the drive. You easily make up the distance time because, unlike O'Hare, the flights are usually on time.

765 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:51:52am

re: #763 zulubaby

Crying, as I usually do when I watch Eddie Izzard.

I love his bit about Stoics not being so stoic when you poke them.

766 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:51:59am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

I have only taken Southwest a couple of times, but hear good things about it.

United is awful. I think USAir is awful, too, I'm surprised to see anyone say anything positive about it. American is pretty bad, but has its good days.

I guess it depends on where you fly. I've had no bad experiences with USAir yet.

(Of course I usually fly first class, when I do fly).

767 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:52:38am

re: #748 godfrey

Word. O'Hare is like a perpetual Berlin Airlift.

My favorite US airport, happily, is the one closest to me: Ronald Reagan (and don't you forget it, liberals) National Airport. It tends to run pretty smoothly, and if you have to spend time there, it's a lot more pleasant than most airports in terms of available food, services, etc. (No massage yet, though, AFAIK... damn.)

One good idea I saw in Sao Paulo airport recently; they have a kind of mini-hotel, right in the international departures terminal, where you can pay for as little as one hour (or up to 8, I think) to get a wee room with a bed and shower, if you have a long layover time.

768 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:52:55am

re: #761 lawhawk

I don't think there's anything to FOIA. Someone familiar with IL law should check and see what was required to be kept by legislators and the state for his term in office and beyond.

When one thinks that this guy is coming onto the national stage with a tabula rasa, they aren't kidding. He literally has no background other than what his chosen outlets tell you he has.


If the media did their job, which they say, is to be "watchdogs", Obama would have ben sunk over a year ago.

I still believe that when Americans are in the voting booth, when they really think about the seriousnes of this election, that many more than now won't vote Obama.

769 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:53:44am

re: #764 David Simon

As is Mitchell (Milwaukee). Definitely worth the drive. You easily make up the distance time because, unlike O'Hare, the flights are usually on time.

Mitchell's too far for me (as is Rockford for that matter). I have to go past O'Hare to get there. Midway, on the other hand, is just a short trip up the Stevenson, and I can even get off at First Avenue and take 55th Street to get there.

Oh how nice it would be to have Peotone.

770 SusanL  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:53:59am

We don't fly much, but when we go to Vegas every couple of years, we always fly Southwest. They are always friendly and efficient. The flights are pleasant (as they can be) and they get you where you are going with a minimum of fuss.

Although I will say, I flew on Lufthansa Air back in 1980 (lord how time flies) and they were amazing. I was traveling to Frankfurt with a toddler. They were extremely helpful.

I really think that it is all in the attitude. If management cares, as is obvious with Southwest, you get pleasant good service. I have also flown on United, not the same.

Got lots of work today, everyone be safe and have a great day.

S

771 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:54:05am

re: #758 Miss Trixie
Hey there {Miss Trixie} *smooch* right back to you! LOL!
I be doing ok, even better after outting a Kos, Du or Obama sleeper in my #762 and prior posts referenced therein!
How are you doing today?

772 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:54:41am

As someone who usually flies across country, I usually end up flying through Phoenix, Houston, and Las Vegas.

I almost always try to avoid the north half of the country, due to weather.

773 freedombilly  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:54:56am

re: #706 Occasional Reader

Ditto most Asian airlines. Let's just say it is hard to get too bored on a Singapore Airlines flight.

774 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:55:30am

re: #761 lawhawk

I don't think there's anything to FOIA. Someone familiar with IL law should check and see what was required to be kept by legislators and the state for his term in office and beyond.

When one thinks that this guy is coming onto the national stage with a tabula rasa, they aren't kidding. He literally has no background other than what his chosen outlets tell you he has.

I can't remember the specifics, but I thought there was a state law that required any employee of the state to keep records of all transactions with fellow employees and members of the state.

775 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:01am

re: #728 Hengineer

Property? Since there is only so much land how is property a right?

The pursuit of happiness is a much better right, our own founding fathers got that more precisely correct.

Do you have the right your life?
If you answer yes it follows you the right to Liberty.
Liberty, living your life as you choose.
Do you have the right to Liberty?
If you answer yes it follows you have the right to property.
Property is not just land.
Property is the product of what you expend you life on.
It used to be much clearer, you spend you time directly producing things with your own hands, it is clear if you gather the materials, and make something with that material, crops, tools, whatever, that created item, that PROPERTY is yours.

It is now more complicated, we use the medium of money. But money can be measured in time, time of your life. You work, you make money, you buy PROPERTY, your house, your car, you clothes, everything you've purchased, made or obtained via your own efforts is PROPERTY.

PROPERTY that you've obtained in exchange for a portion of you life. For you home, we can accurately calculate the amount of time of your life you spent in exchange for that property.

It's not just land, it's every thing you've worked for. Obtained in exchange for a portion of your life.

Life and property are equivalent, the first is used to obtain the later.
If you have a right to life, it there for follows you have the right to the product of that life, PORPERTY.

John Locke reader.

776 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:11am

re: #770 SusanL

We don't fly much, but when we go to Vegas every couple of years, we always fly Southwest. They are always friendly and efficient. The flights are pleasant (as they can be) and they get you where you are going with a minimum of fuss.

Although I will say, I flew on Lufthansa Air back in 1980 (lord how time flies) and they were amazing. I was traveling to Frankfurt with a toddler. They were extremely helpful.

I really think that it is all in the attitude. If management cares, as is obvious with Southwest, you get pleasant good service. I have also flown on United, not the same.

Got lots of work today, everyone be safe and have a great day.

S

Hilarious to be on a SW flight out of San Jose and having the crew chant: Thrust - thrust - thrust...

777 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:17am

re: #763 zulubaby
Hey, hi there zulubaby! It's good to see you again - do ya think you'll be able to post more frequently in the future (I hope!)?

778 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:33am

re: #760 Hengineer

I just wonder why you mentioned those three rights,

Actually, that wasn't me. But I do think "property rights" is something more concrete and enforceable than the more vague idea of "the pursuit of happiness", which speaks more to the REASON that we establish governments, rather than to a specifically enforceable right. And you'll note that, while enunciated in the Declaration, a specific "right" to the "pursuit of happiness" is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Why not? Because it's too broad an idea to be concretely enforceable against the government.

779 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:34am

re: #771 realwest

Hey there {Miss Trixie} *smooch* right back to you! LOL!
I be doing ok, even better after outting a Kos, Du or Obama sleeper in my #762 and prior posts referenced therein!
How are you doing today?

Be careful. You don't want to sprain your shoulder patting yourself on the back like that !

(j/k)

780 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:49am

re: #761 lawhawk

I don't think there's anything to FOIA. Someone familiar with IL law should check and see what was required to be kept by legislators and the state for his term in office and beyond.

When one thinks that this guy is coming onto the national stage with a tabula rasa, they aren't kidding. He literally has no background other than what his chosen outlets tell you he has.

Your link deserves its own thread.

781 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:56:50am

When Anonymity Fails, Be Nasty, Brutish and Short

Throughout the Bush presidency, he toiled in secrecy deep within the White House, a mysterious and feared presence who never stepped into the sunlight of public disclosure.

Read the whole thing. It's unbelievable how this journalist uses words like "feared" and "Gollum" and "slouched in his chair" to describe this guy. I don't know much about Addington, but since the dems hate him so much, I'm sure he's doing something right.

782 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:57:05am

I haven't flown since Spring of 2000. Managed to work around the few times the possibility has come up.

783 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:59:18am

Good morning, Great Lizard Master.

784 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:59:19am

re: #779 sattv4u2 LOL!
Well if I DON'T PAT myself on the back, who will?
(Sort of a take off on Mark Twain's comment about blowing your own horn: "It may be impolite to blow your own horn, but if you don't, you may never get to hear the music played!" LOL!

785 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 8:59:34am

re: #781 gop_patriot

When Anonymity Fails, Be Nasty, Brutish and Short


Read the whole thing. It's unbelievable how this journalist uses words like "feared" and "Gollum" and "slouched in his chair" to describe this guy. I don't know much about Addington, but since the dems hate him so much, I'm sure he's doing something right.

"Growled"?

786 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:00:12am

re: #778 Occasional Reader

Actually, that wasn't me. But I do think "property rights" is something more concrete and enforceable than the more vague idea of "the pursuit of happiness", which speaks more to the REASON that we establish governments, rather than to a specifically enforceable right. And you'll note that, while enunciated in the Declaration, a specific "right" to the "pursuit of happiness" is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Why not? Because it's too broad an idea to be concretely enforceable against the government.

Which is why we had the Bill of Rights, to attempt to enumerate more specifically what they meant I guess.

If we truly had a right to "property", then Governements would have no real power to tax. And while Libertarians would cheer at that, it would leave Governments completely toothless.

787 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:00:18am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

I have only taken Southwest a couple of times, but hear good things about it.

United is awful. I think USAir is awful, too, I'm surprised to see anyone say anything positive about it. American is pretty bad, but has its good days.

United IS awful. Flew BWI-O'Hare a couple of years ago. Stewardesses were rude and obnoxious. Took 20 minutes to get an extra pillow for my back. Had strained it a week before and couldn't get comfortable, even with the pills. The David Spade sketch on SNL was 100% accurate for that flight. Buh-Bye, Buh-Bye, Screw You, Buh-Bye.

788 freedombilly  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:11am

re: #767 Occasional Reader

My favorite US airport, happily, is the one closest to me: Ronald Reagan (and don't you forget it, liberals) National Airport. It tends to run pretty smoothly, and if you have to spend time there, it's a lot more pleasant than most airports in terms of available food, services, etc. (No massage yet, though, AFAIK...damn.)

I agree about Reagan National (I, too, never drop his name from the title and have had many eyes rolled at me). And that airport is close to heaven when Congress is not in session. There are no lobbyists and the place is like a ghost town.

My least favorite US airport is O'Hare. That place is one summer thunderstorm away from hour delays across the board. But one place that makes O'Hare seem calm and almost serene is the airport in Beijing. The chaos almost resembles an ant colony.

789 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:14am

Prediction: market crash - Bear market - democrat elation.

790 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:23am

re: #782 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I haven't flown since Spring of 2000. Managed to work around the few times the possibility has come up.


If the trip can be driven , I avoid the airport.
TSA Security is so time consuming and humiliating.
I am thinking of putting on a prayer hat & carrying a Koran & stinger missle. That should get me speedy entry & an upgrade.

791 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:27am

re: #778 Occasional Reader

Actually, that wasn't me. But I do think "property rights" is something more concrete and enforceable than the more vague idea of "the pursuit of happiness", which speaks more to the REASON that we establish governments, rather than to a specifically enforceable right. And you'll note that, while enunciated in the Declaration, a specific "right" to the "pursuit of happiness" is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Why not? Because it's too broad an idea to be concretely enforceable against the government.

Jefferson's draft of the Declaration first incorporated Lock's Life, Liberty and Property. This was changed to Pursuit of Happiness so that those who chose to pursue more intangible goals the philosophies would be covered.

792 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:36am

re: #785 MandyManners

"Growled"?

Also "barked" and "snarled", right there in the same paragraph.

But there's no political bias in WaPo, heavens no, perish the thought.

793 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:49am

re: #763 zulubaby

Crying, as I usually do when I watch Eddie Izzard.

He's hilarious.

794 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:01:59am

re: #780 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy. " Your link deserves its own thread." I couldn't agree more!

795 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:02:26am

re: #771 realwest

Hey there {Miss Trixie} *smooch* right back to you! LOL!
I be doing ok, even better after outting a Kos, Du or Obama sleeper in my #762 and prior posts referenced therein!
How are you doing today?

Hi honey! Good hunting, real. :D

I'm just fine - thanks for asking. I'm at home today as I've taken Firdays off for the summer and am I glad I did.

Oh, look. Dustoff's here. *peck*

:P

796 zulubaby  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:02:38am
And he was a mass-murdering fuckhead, as many important historians have said.

~ Eddie Izzard on Hitler.

797 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:03:51am

re: #791 JCM

Jefferson's draft of the Declaration first incorporated Lock's Life, Liberty and Property. This was changed to Pursuit of Happiness so that those who chose to pursue more intangible goals the philosophies would be covered.

Didn't the change also have to do with avoiding the slavery issue at that time?

798 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:04:21am

re: #786 Hengineer

If we truly had a right to "property", then Governements would have no real power to tax.

And if we truly had a right to "the pursuit of happiness", they wouldn't be able to tax, either. Come on. You're using a strawman definition of "right to property". Your "right to liberty" can be taken away, too; that doesn't mean it's non-existant.

799 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:04:50am

re: #796 zulubaby

~ Eddie Izzard on Hitler.

BWAHAHAHA! I love Eddie Izzard. :D

800 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:04:53am

re: #789 FrogMarch
But of course - if it's bad for America, it's good for the Dem's! That's why they and their cohorts the MSM can't possibly report bad news about/to America fast enough. It's why John Fucking Murtha tried and convicted those Marines at Haditha in the all too willing MSM.

801 Zach_the_Lizard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:04:54am

Well, I've finally gotten my Gentoo Linux install as I want it. I'm rocking the Enlightenment desktop environment now, and man does it look good. Not only that, but it consumes very little ram, like 50 to 70mb less than GNOME.

With everything compiled from source, my computer has been snappier. Also, as I can pick and choose what I want installed or not, I can end up with a much lighter environment that is quick and takes up very little ram. Of course, it would appear to me that Gentoo does end up using a bit more HDD space than, say, Ubuntu on the same computer due to all the development libraries and source code laying around.

Now I'm prepared to do this on a Solaris Ultra 10 workstation, a toy my dad picked up years ago. I can only imagine how long it'll take to install Gentoo on that.

I really like Gentoo. It is an excellent Linux learning tool that, though difficult at first, becomes second nature soon enough. I don't think I'd recommend it as a first distro, but certainly a second. Try out Ubuntu or Fedora or even some other friendly distro, such as OpenSUSE. After you try one of those, then you can move to Gentoo unless you are willing to learn.

802 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:04:57am

re: #786 Hengineer

Which is why we had the Bill of Rights, to attempt to enumerate more specifically what they meant I guess.

If we truly had a right to "property", then Governements would have no real power to tax. And while Libertarians would cheer at that, it would leave Governments completely toothless.

Wrong....
That's why the structure of government of the people, by the people, for the people. We as a society in the Constitution accept that there are certain functions and order provided by government, in exchange for that service to all, the common good. We exchange some of our property for that service. It's a beneficial agreement, government does things the individual cannot, the individual recognizes the need and pays, in property for the service.

803 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:05:59am

re: #788 freedombilly

One nice thing about Reagan National - I mean the newer/main terminal - is that it has high ceilings and lots of light. It makes a big psychological difference, as opposed to the "rabbit warren" feel of a lot of airports.

804 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:07:07am

re: #797 goddessoftheclassroom

Didn't the change also have to do with avoiding the slavery issue at that time?

If it was a change, logically Obama must have been behind it somehow.

805 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:08:14am

re: #800 realwest

But of course - if it's bad for America, it's good for the Dem's! That's why they and their cohorts the MSM can't possibly report bad news about/to America fast enough. It's why John Fucking Murtha tried and convicted those Marines at Haditha in the all too willing MSM.

Murtha is a f*head. The dems and their media cohorts have to pretend not to be giddy with joy. But we all know they are thrilled to see the stock market take a tumble. bad news for the country = good news for them.

Speaking of information you won't hear in the media:

806 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #798 Occasional Reader

And if we truly had a right to "the pursuit of happiness", they wouldn't be able to tax, either. Come on. You're using a strawman definition of "right to property". Your "right to liberty" can be taken away, too; that doesn't mean it's non-existant.

How does a pursuit of happiness stop them from taxing you?

Do you think that I think we don't have some sort of property rights? No, far from it, I do believe we have property rights, I just think that those were incorporated under a right to a pursuit of happiness in a more broader definition.

This website, is it Charles' property? Well intellectual property maybe, but that only protects content. The mere fact that Charles' is allowed to speak his mind on a website like this speaks of the pursuit of happiness.

We aren't a society of craftsman and laborers anymore. Sure we still have some, but we [as a society] have evolved.

807 David Simon  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #786 Hengineer

If we truly had a right to "property", then Governements would have no real power to tax.

Except that the Constitution provides for it:

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes

808 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:09:00am

re: #804 Occasional Reader Well your sentiments are correct, but in reality the only real "redraft" of the Declaration was done by Ben Franklin who deleted completely TJ's paragraph on the issue of slavery, namely TJ said that the new United States would forbid slavery in all it's forms.

809 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:09:17am

re: #797 goddessoftheclassroom

Didn't the change also have to do with avoiding the slavery issue at that time?

You are correct, Jefferson was a tad upset at the changes to "his" document.

810 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:09:46am

re: #767 Occasional Reader

My favorite US airport, happily, is the one closest to me: Ronald Reagan (and don't you forget it, liberals) National Airport. It tends to run pretty smoothly, and if you have to spend time there, it's a lot more pleasant than most airports in terms of available food, services, etc. (No massage yet, though, AFAIK... damn.)

One good idea I saw in Sao Paulo airport recently; they have a kind of mini-hotel, right in the international departures terminal, where you can pay for as little as one hour (or up to 8, I think) to get a wee room with a bed and shower, if you have a long layover time.

A mini hotel that you can pay by the hour? In Brazil, with Brazilian women?
/I better leave off here...

811 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:10:28am

re: #810 Kosh's Shadow

A mini hotel that you can pay by the hour? In Brazil, with Brazilian women?
/I better leave off here...

I just knew SOMEONE was going to bring that up...

812 vxbush  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:11:51am

re: #811 Occasional Reader

I just knew SOMEONE was going to bring that up...

I'll be honest--I'm surprised you didn't. :)

813 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:12:58am

re: #789 FrogMarch

Prediction: market crash - Bear market - democrat elation.

The terrorists are working on this, according to MEMRI:
Mujahideen Monitor U.S. Economy, Attempt to Undermine Dollar

814 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:13:14am

re: #802 JCM

Wrong....
That's why the structure of government of the people, by the people, for the people. We as a society in the Constitution accept that there are certain functions and order provided by government, in exchange for that service to all, the common good. We exchange some of our property for that service. It's a beneficial agreement, government does things the individual cannot, the individual recognizes the need and pays, in property for the service.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. Its just that some would argue the amount and nature of our payment (and how voluntary it is), just as many of us argue the nature of our government and its services it provides (in exchange for such payment).

I was just wondering at your statement in wishing to rewrite (or usurp) the Declaration of Independance in #721 JCM

In regards to the thread opening quote.

I am a fanatic!

Fanatic about...
LIFE
LIBERTY
PROPERTY

These rights are intrinsic to all.

While I'm not saying Locke was wrong, just incomplete.

"The Pursuit of Happiness" is more complete than just "property".

815 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:13:39am

re: #806 Hengineer

How does a pursuit of happiness stop them from taxing you?

It makes me unhappy.

I'm kidding, sort of. The point being, your overly-broad "taxation means there are no property rights" is just as off as an assertion that taxation means there's no right to the pursuit of happiness.

I do believe we have property rights, I just think that those were incorporated under a right to a pursuit of happiness

Uh, no, the "right to a pursuit of happiness" wasn't incorporated AT ALL, at least not specifically, in the document that eventually SET FORTH the enumerated, federal-level rights of the American people.

816 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:14:08am

re: #809 JCM Yes he was! But Ben Franklin, after explaining why the paragraph stating that there would be no slavery allowed in the new United States had to be deleted or else the war for independence, which would be difficult enough to win with ALL of the colonies joining together, would surely fail as the Southern Colonies would never agree to the Declaration's containing the outlawing of slavery. To which TJ is reported to have replied "But Ben, I'm a Southerner!"
To which - knowing about TJ's ego - replied, no, Tom, you are a quintessential human being.
Thereupon Tom agreed to delete references to slavery and changed "property" to pursuit of happiness.

817 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #801 Zach_the_Lizard

Gentoo Linux

Wasn't that a character from one of the Star Wars flicks?

818 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:14:46am

re: #807 David Simon

Yea, I know, because the first draft, the Articles of Confederation left the federal government so powerless it was completely meaningless.

819 Hoosierhoops  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:16:11am

re: #770 SusanL

We don't fly much, but when we go to Vegas every couple of years, we always fly Southwest. They are always friendly and efficient. The flights are pleasant (as they can be) and they get you where you are going with a minimum of fuss.

Although I will say, I flew on Lufthansa Air back in 1980 (lord how time flies) and they were amazing. I was traveling to Frankfurt with a toddler. They were extremely helpful.

I really think that it is all in the attitude. If management cares, as is obvious with Southwest, you get pleasant good service. I have also flown on United, not the same.

I really like Frontier Airlines..also midwest connect is good.. ( they bake chocolate chip cookies on the plane.. I mean come on..Fresh cookies..

Got lots of work today, everyone be safe and have a great day.

S

820 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:16:33am

re: #814 Hengineer

"The Pursuit of Happiness" is more complete than just "property".

And, as I've said, it's also too vague to really incorporate as an enumerated right. It is, if you will, a "mission statement", not a concrete right.

821 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:17:31am

re: #815 Occasional Reader

I think its because of the reason you stated, it is so intagible, that to mention it in the Bill of Rights would lead to all sorts of crazy interpretations.

Which is why there is a seperation of Church and State, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, and so forth which allows many people to have the right to pursue their own happiness without entities like that controlling what happened (our original colonists included a large portion of those fleeing religious persecution, mind you).

822 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:18:20am

re: #812 vxbush

I'll be honest--I'm surprised you didn't. :)

Go ahead, make the inevitable followup observation about my use of the terms "layover time"...

823 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:18:44am

re: #822 Occasional Reader Heh.

824 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:23:50am
825 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:29:23am

re: #814 Hengineer

I use property very intentionally.

Our government in particular the liberals have forgotten the roots of the phrase. They do not see property as belonging to the individual, they see it as belonging to the collective, and through the largess of government we are allowed to keep some property.

They believe property is finite. If I have some, someone doesn't. When property is continually created by people working. Therefore since they view it as finite, the collective has a right to a share.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO WHAT WE MAKE AND EARN!

Government needs to respect property, all of it, all the time. And only ask for what's necessary and reasonable, for the enumerated powers of the government.

826 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:31:12am

re: #816 realwest

Yes he was! But Ben Franklin, after explaining why the paragraph stating that there would be no slavery allowed in the new United States had to be deleted or else the war for independence, which would be difficult enough to win with ALL of the colonies joining together, would surely fail as the Southern Colonies would never agree to the Declaration's containing the outlawing of slavery. To which TJ is reported to have replied "But Ben, I'm a Southerner!"
To which - knowing about TJ's ego - replied, no, Tom, you are a quintessential human being.
Thereupon Tom agreed to delete references to slavery and changed "property" to pursuit of happiness.

Given the egos involved it all the more astounding what was accomplished during the "Miracle in Philadelphia."

827 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:37:54am

re: #826 JCM Indeed it was! And especially considering that they were debating an idea that had never been tried before in the history of the World: that the governed should do the governing.
Indeed, after unanimously adopting the Declaration of Independence, NY delegate Robert Livingston asked those convened "If our experiment should fail, do you think Great Britain would take us back as colonies" (this question was recorded in several diaries of members in attendance).
To think that they could put aside, for the time being, all of their ego's (or at least most of them!) to agree to a concept for which there was no "road map" is all the more incredible.

828 Spetiam  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:44:16am

re: #755 right wing zephyr

From now on, I'll be sure to give a serious response to every rhetorical or baiting question (# 734), even if the questioner has already answered that question to their satisfaction. Thanks for the heads up.

829 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:45:00am

re: #827 realwest

Indeed it was! And especially considering that they were debating an idea that had never been tried before in the history of the World: that the governed should do the governing.
Indeed, after unanimously adopting the Declaration of Independence, NY delegate Robert Livingston asked those convened "If our experiment should fail, do you think Great Britain would take us back as colonies" (this question was recorded in several diaries of members in attendance).
To think that they could put aside, for the time being, all of their ego's (or at least most of them!) to agree to a concept for which there was no "road map" is all the more incredible.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

They risked everything. For what we have. Thousand paid in blood for it, thousand more, you and all our combat vets risked it all for what we have.

I cannot relay, the deep anger I have for so many of my countrymen who do not respect this. It not about left against right. It about the very fundamental regard for our history, what was given for it, what it means to the individual, what the whole IDEA is about. That so many are so eager to give up liberty, for so little.

830 JCM  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #829 JCM

HELL YES I'M A FANATIC!

;-P

831 Lazarus  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:55:37pm

re: #557 Boston Patriot

Gotta disagree with you here, Charles..."Fanatic" is what Ayn Rand called and Anti-Concept. It means nothing, and is used to blur the lines between legitimate (i.e. objectively true) ideas and their opposite.

I'm a "fanatic" for freedom and individual rights. Does that make me a "monster"?

Americans have fought in numerous wars to protect freedom. Does that make them "monsters"?

I will both kill and die for my political freedom and liberty. I'm not a monster. The individual who kills and dies for religion, socialism, totalitarianism, etc....he is the monster.

"Fanaticism" as such doesn't mean anything. You have to ask: Fanatic about what?

Don't fall into the hole of moral relativism.

The word "fanatic" does have a proper use. It is a valid concept. Merriam-Webster, usually a terrible dictionary, defines the adjective "fanatic" as:

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
832 the_flying_pig  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:31:42pm

I disagree with the quote from E.M. Cioran.

Patrick Henry says this: Give me liberty or give me death! That negates Cioran.


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