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Overnight Open Thread

Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:27:55 pm PDT

The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either case, tyrant or martyr, he is a monster.

— E. M. Cioran

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1 Typicalwhitey  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:29:24pm

Where do you come up with these great quotes?

2 Carridine  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:29:35pm

See yez from home!

3 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:31:08pm

Obama-mania. MSM fanaticism.

4 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:32:09pm

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

5 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:33:56pm

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?

6 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:35:57pm

"there is no present-day politician that I see as more sympathetic and admirable than Hitler"E.M. Cioran
While expressing his approval for the Night of the Long Knives — "what has humanity lost if the lives of a few imbeciles were taken"
E.M. Cioran

He knew something about tyrants

7 BGOH  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:36:14pm

FWIW, I'm open overnight, too.

8 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:38:15pm

re: #1 Typicalwhitey

Where do you come up with these great quotes?

I think I read that quote in a fortune cookie. Anyone notice that fortune cookies don't tell your fortune anymore? The give advice. But I guess "advice cookies" doesn't have the same name recognition.

9 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:00pm

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

10 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:38pm

re: #4 slokat

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

If he's dumb enough to throw me under the bus, he'll never see his muffler bering again.

11 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:39:48pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....

12 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:40:07pm

Thanks to a Lizard who will remain nameless, I now have Primus on the brain.

13 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:40:55pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?


I'm partial to the 500 S&W.

:)

14 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:15pm
for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
15 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:21pm

re: #10 TrollBot PrtoType Six

the oiled muffler bearing, or the sealed muffler bearing?
//

16 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:41:38pm

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire

17 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:07pm

Hey, I think I found the Obama campaign song!

18 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:42pm

re: #11 slokat

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....

I wish it was that easy.

/The good ol' days!

19 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:42pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

20 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:42:59pm

re: #15 slokat

the oiled muffler bearing, or the sealed muffler bearing?
//

No preference, I enjoy munching on either type.
// {;-)™

21 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't agree with much of anything E.M. Cioran wrote, he was a self described "Hitlerist"

22 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:28pm

re: #9 Egfrow

I don't exactly subscribe to that statement as really meaningful. Some of the USA's founding fathers are considered Fanatics by today's standards and many have died for the cause. I have also fought for my country and laid my life on the line. I guess that makes me a monster also.

I think the quote is referring a fanatic being one who kills for the idea...

23 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:36pm

re: #17 RememberSekhmet?

Hey, I think I found the Obama campaign song!

You mean it's not the Who's "Magic Bus"?

24 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

...and who'd watch the "Wheel of Advice"?

25 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:44:19pm

re: #14 psaturn

I dunno who said it, but:

"He who lives by the sword, gets shot be he who doesn't."

:D :D :D :D

26 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:44:55pm

re: #25 NomadOfNorad

I dunno who said it, but:

"He who lives by the sword, gets shot be he who doesn't."

:D :D :D :D

Here here!

27 psaturn  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:47:58pm

re: #21 Neo Con since 9-11

I don't agree with much of anything E.M. Cioran wrote, he was a self described "Hitlerist"

Wow...you are right!

And also:

Although Cioran was never a member of the group, it was during this time in Romania that he began taking an interest in the ideas put forth by the Iron Guard - a far right organization whose nationalist ideology he supported until the early years of World War II, despite allegedly disapproving of their violent methods.

28 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:01pm

re: #8 Bob in Breckenridge

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

29 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:09pm

Hackers break into Hamas website

A ring-wing Israeli group hacked into websites of organizations and activist groups Thursday, including those of the armed wing of Hamas, Izzadin Kassam, and left-wing Israeli organizations. The group of hackers, calling themselves the 'Extremist Zealots,' boasted that they had broken into numerous sites.

Izzadin Kassam's site displayed a blank white screen and Hebrew text notifying of a technical error.

The websites of Arab Israeli political party Balad, and left-wing activist groups 'Hagada Hasmolanit' and 'Occupation' featured a black background with an Israeli flag, and the emblem of the 'Extremist Zealots' group, similar to that of Meir Kahane's Kach movement.

/with screenshots

30 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:27pm

"Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone renounced violence forever? I could then conquer the whole stupid planet with just a butter knife."

--Anonymous

31 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:48:53pm

I am deeply thankful for all of the brave men and woman who have served, and those who gave their lives for our freedoms.

The idea of freedom is a good one, and worth fighting and dying for.

32 RTLM  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:49:32pm

Damn - I hadn't thought about or listened to George Carlin ii the last several years. Now that he's gone I'm thinking about and listening and missing him a lot.

It was the same fpor me with Charles Schulz.

33 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:35pm

re: #30 NomadOfNorad

That might have been Marvin Martian....

But truly, if no one will fight the bully gets his way.

34 tradewind  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:48pm

So true...... another gem from the funniest man in the world.........
Someone should send a copy to the Times-Picayune, although Nagin probably wouldn't get it.
[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

35 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:50:56pm

"They change the skies but not themselves, those who travel over the seas."---Homer, I believe.

"Wherever you go, there you are."---a wise Muppet.

36 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:51:24pm

re: #16 Dustyvet

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire

Sounds an awful lot like "voted for, before voted against" to me!

37 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:22pm

5-4 Supreme court judges are fanatics.

38 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:34pm

"Academics are a herd of independent thinkers."

--Anonymous

39 republic  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:41pm

re: #36 LeePro

“Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them”


Voltaire


Sounds an awful lot like "voted for, before voted against" to me!

Sounds a lot like a certain four and sometimes five Supreme Court "Justices".

The four and a half leftist kooks.

40 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:53:46pm

re: #28 slokat

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

There's the msm and Wesley Clark.

41 StudSupreme  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:29pm

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

42 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:43pm

"Wherever I'm at, that's the place to be."

- some fool who can make a party outta nuthin'.

43 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:54:56pm

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

44 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:55:22pm

re: #11 slokat

Hhmm "Advice Teller" sounds like you are paying your mom to tell you how to run your life....


re: #18 Bob in Breckenridge

I wish it was that easy.

/The good ol' days!

Reminds me of one afternoon years ago... had to "remind" my mom (R.I.P.) that I was 54 and she could stop "teaching me" now.

45 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:56:53pm

If there was a best out of nine tournament and you one 5-4 they'd call you the champion, not say it was a split decision, let's here from the losers...

/just my observation.

issue never should've had to go to SCOTUS in the first place, hurray for checks & balances!

46 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:02pm

It seems that anyone who stands up and wants to support the constitution in it's true context is labeled as a fanatic or an extremist.

47 slokat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:16pm

I'm tired one = won

goodnight!

48 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 10:58:55pm

"Men use thought only as authority for injustice, and employ speech only to conceal their thoughts."
--Voltaire

49 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #46 Egfrow

"A right is not what someone gives you, it's what no one can take from you."
--Ramsey Clark

50 desertdweller  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:04:40pm

Over $1M donated in care packages in today's telethon. UstreamTV had only a few glitches, there were about 2,500 to 3,000 concurrent viewers of the video stream while I watched, and 1,000 in the chat room.

Congratulations, an internet first!

51 Egfrow  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:04:49pm

re: #49 NomadOfNorad

Ramsey Clark, Always speaks without regard to morality his definition is surely not mine. His version of rights are 'do what ever you want.'

52 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:03pm

re: #4 slokat

What will we ever do, if BHO throws the over night thread under the bus....

over turn the bus..... %-)

53 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:12pm

CHARLIE DANIELS ON OBAMA

Guns and Church

Since I identify with the people who fall into Barrack Obama's elitist description about people of faith who keep firearms I'm not very happy with Barrack Obama's recent remarks.

He said something to the effect that us rednecks cling to our guns and our religion when we get frustrated and I would like to take umbrage to these remarks. My faith goes much deeper than his superficial explanation and I love my guns even when I'm not frustrated.

And I am not by myself. I was going to church and shooting guns before Mr. Obama was even born and come from a long line of good people who have been doing it for generations.

To me this latest Obama blunder only helps reveal the depth of condescension the far left wing of the Democrat party has for the folks out here in flyover country.

Mr. Obama's remarks are insulting to a lot of folks. It's kind of like Abraham Lincoln said, 'God must love the common people because he made so many of them'.

His remarks make me think that Obama doesn't know the people of this country very well. I'm sure he knows the jet set and the Hollywood bunch, the limousine liberals and the save the whales, kill the babies crowd, but does he think that the ordinary people don't count? Does he think that they're so stupid that they don't know who he's talking about when he says these things? Does he think their opinions aren't important? Apparently.

How can a man stand in front of America and tell people what he wants to do for them and have so little respect for a whole segment of the population. In fact, a very large segment. Does that mean that he would only represent the high-minded liberal ideals of the far left and ignore the rest of us?

What kind of Commander and Chief would he make if he doesn't respect the very people who make up the lion's share of the armed forces.

You may say I'm over reacting, but I'm getting sick and tired of him making these elitist statements and saying that he had been taken out of context or some other flimsy excuse.

After his wife's remark about not being proud of this country and his pastor's statements calling America the U.S.K.K.K.A. and his own statement about not wanting his daughter punished with a baby, it makes me wonder what kind of a man Obama really is and what kind of a president he'd make.

Would he be an antigun advocate pushing the effort to take the firearms out of innocent citizen's hands? Would he not respect the religious beliefs of America, not taking them into account in his agenda?

I really don't know much about the man and neither does America. He basically came from out of nowhere and as the facts come out little by little, they don't make a particularly confident picture.

I have a great fear that if our military gets broken by another president, this time we're not going to have time to fix it again and what that spells for America, I don't even want to contemplate.

Oh well, I guess I'll grab my gun and go to church.

Pray for our troops.

54 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:05:59pm

re: #28 slokat

One last riff to prove the point you made a bout Advice Cookies...

Does anyone hire a "Soldier of Advice"?

Great point!

55 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:04pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

Still got that new thread smell....

So which catridge had more stopping power- 10mm or 41AE?

what are you pushing down the barrel? FMJ? JHP? SJHP? etc.....

56 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:37pm

re: #52 redc1c4

Hey red. It's poker night. In case I'm caught napping.

57 tradewind  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:06:48pm

re: #51 Egfrow

(But he did such a fabulous job for Saddam).

58 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:07:14pm

"Fire....BAD!"

-Frankenstein

59 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:08:10pm

I have an existential map, it has "you are here" written all over it.
--Steven Wright

60 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:09:05pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks to a Lizard who will remain nameless, I now have Primus on the brain.

po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play.

/white smoke %-)

61 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:09:35pm

Does anyone, except Bush, believe that OPEC is interested in lowering oil prices or futures?

62 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:10:25pm

"You can't change* film with a kid on your back".
-Roger Miller

*Drink!

63 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:10:41pm

re: #56 Mel Lono

Hey red. It's poker night. In case I'm caught napping.

lucky you.... i generally have to wait for weekend mornings.

/or were you talking about cards? %-)

64 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:11:41pm

"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers."
--Henry Louis Mencken

65 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:13:56pm

Nice package!

/warning - shrinkage.

66 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:14:03pm

re: #41 StudSupreme

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"

67 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:15:30pm

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

awesome.

68 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:16:45pm

A quote that goes way over my head:

"po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play."

-redc1c4

Wahcu talkin' 'bout, Red?

69 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:03pm

re: #63 redc1c4

lucky you.... i generally have to wait for weekend mornings.

/or were you talking about cards? %-)

Morning wood is always good.

70 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:19pm

A woman goes to her boyfriend's parents' house for dinner. This is to be her first time meeting the family and she is very nervous.

They all sit down and begin eating a fine meal. The woman is beginning to feel a little discomfort, thanks to her nervousness and the broccoli casserole. The gas pains are almost making her eyes water. Left with no other choice, she decides to relieve herself a bit and lets out a dainty little fart.

It wasn't loud, but everyone at the table heard the poot. Before she even had a chance to be embarrassed, her boyfriend's father looked over at the dog that had been snoozing at the women's feet, and said in a rather stern voice, "Ginger!" The woman thought, "this is great!" and a big smile came across her face.

A couple minutes later, she was beginning to feel the pain again. This time, she didn't even hesitate. She let a much louder and longer fart rip. The father again looked at the dog and yelled, "dammit Ginger!" Once again the woman smiled and thought, "yes!"

A few minutes later the woman had to let another one rip. This time she didn't even think about it. She let rip with a fart that rivaled a train whistle blowing. Again, the father looked at the dog with disgust and yelled, "dammit Ginger, get away from her before she shits on you!"

71 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:30pm

re: #67 gop_patriot

{gop} ! ! !

Haven't seen you lately! How are you?

72 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:17:32pm

re: #66 rawmuse

You should always go to other people's funerals. Otherwise they won't come to yours.

73 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:04pm

re: #70 Racer X

A woman goes to her boyfriend's parents' house for dinner. This is to be her first time meeting the family and she is very nervous.

They all sit down and begin eating a fine meal. The woman is beginning to feel a little discomfort, thanks to her nervousness and the broccoli casserole. The gas pains are almost making her eyes water. Left with no other choice, she decides to relieve herself a bit and lets out a dainty little fart.

It wasn't loud, but everyone at the table heard the poot. Before she even had a chance to be embarrassed, her boyfriend's father looked over at the dog that had been snoozing at the women's feet, and said in a rather stern voice, "Ginger!" The woman thought, "this is great!" and a big smile came across her face.

A couple minutes later, she was beginning to feel the pain again. This time, she didn't even hesitate. She let a much louder and longer fart rip. The father again looked at the dog and yelled, "dammit Ginger!" Once again the woman smiled and thought, "yes!"

A few minutes later the woman had to let another one rip. This time she didn't even think about it. She let rip with a fart that rivaled a train whistle blowing. Again, the father looked at the dog with disgust and yelled, "dammit Ginger, get away from her before she shits on you!"

ROFLMAO!

74 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:30pm

re: #70 Racer X

ROFL!

75 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:38pm

Yogi Berra on jazz music

This one is one of my faves.

76 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:19:54pm

re: #41 StudSupreme

We need some Yogi Berra quotes....................

re: #66 rawmuse

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"

"You can't think and hit at the same time."
--Yogi Berra

77 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:06pm

He hits from both sides of the plate. He's amphibious. Yogi Berra

78 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:29pm

re: #71 LeePro

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

79 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:43pm

Yogi- "90% of the game is half mental."

80 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:20:59pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

A quote that goes way over my head:

"po' Primus...... they won't have much room to play."

-redc1c4

Wahcu talkin' 'bout, Red?


you said they were on your brain..... i was making a nasty crack about it's size.

/in good fun, of course. %-)

81 Dustyvet  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:21:57pm

re: #79 Bob in Breckenridge

Yogi- "90% of the game is half mental."

If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else.
Yogi Berra

82 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:22:17pm

"All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it."

83 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:07pm

Yogi- Steve McQueen looks good in this movie. He must have made it before he died.

84 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:09pm

re: #75 rawmuse

Yogi Berra on jazz music

This one is one of my faves.

Hilarious!
Jazz, to me, sounds like when the orchestra is tuning up before the real concert.

85 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:24pm

It is a lot to wade through, but there is some real cognitive dissonance showing up at this bo.com comment thread.

"Out of curiosity, what is going on with folks today? Did I miss something? People are up in arms about the 2nd amendment ruling. People are up in arms about the FISA court thing (well, telecom civil immunity part) and people are just generally cranky. "

and

"Gun rights are a wedge issue and it will be successfully used against Democrats because it is always effective. I know the topic very well and I agree with Obama's statement on this ruling but it is backpedaling defensive and that always loses."

and

"If Sen. Obama represents "Change we can believe in," then why does he willingly accept telecom immunity for violators of the 4th amendment? Sen. Obama spoke about filibustering this bill if telecom immunity was present, and now he is betraying a promise he made? Be a leader, Sen. Obama! A leader takes a stand on principles! We do not need another politician! Do not dismiss the 4th amendment of the Constitution. Thank you,"

These are some of the voices. Many others on the thread just tell everyone else "donate!"

As time goes on and Obama weakens in their eyes they will lose some enthusiasm for him. That will undermine turnout, which is the only factor producing big poll numbers for him.

86 Racer X  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:23:53pm

Hung Chow calls in to work and says, Hey, boss I not come work today, I really sick. I got headache, stomach ache and my legs hurt. I not come work.

The boss says, You know Hung Chow, I really need you today. When I feel like this I go to my wife and tell her give me sex. That makes everything better and I go work. You try that.

Two hours later Hung Chow calls again: Boss, I do what you say and I feel great. I be at work soon. You got nice house.

87 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:13pm

re: #82 rawmuse

Who was that? Doesn't sound like a Yogi quote... :D

88 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:53pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

anaphylaxis, based upon they symptoms and my personal experience...... what did they give you, and did they at least tell you to not take any more of the antibiotic? did you contact your pharmacy & primary care giver/prescriber?

btw: out of professional curiosity, what was the antibiotic?

/been there, done that x3.

89 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:24:55pm

Once, Yogi's wife Carmen asked, "Yogi, you are from St. Louis, we live in New Jersey, and you played ball in New York. If you go before I do, where would you like me to have you buried?" To this, Yogi replied, "Surprise me."

90 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:26:33pm

I'd find the fellow who lost it, and, if he was poor, I'd return it. (When asked what he would do if he found a million dollars.)

91 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:26:58pm

re: #87 NomadOfNorad

Yogi. yes.

92 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:11pm

re: #87 NomadOfNorad

Who was that? Doesn't sound like a Yogi quote... :D

[Link: www.hotsound.com...]


not hard to come up with this stuff

93 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:14pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

94 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:24pm

re: #85 karmic_inquisitor

Missed one (maybe the best) :

BHO,

Yet another issue where you ride the fence and wait to see what the response to your comments are.

As an Illinois senator from the Chicago area, your views on this and other issues are well known.... despite what you say.

My stomach is churning. It isn't from the deep dish pizza I just downed. It's from the stuff that comes from you.

Obama's act will wear thin with his whacko base - the whacko base that caucused for him and bought him a nomination.

After that you peel off a good % of the Hillary supporters and McCain is the next POTUS.

95 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:27:52pm

re: #84 LeePro

Hilarious!
Jazz, to me, sounds like when the orchestra is tuning up before the real concert.

i'm not that fond of jazz (except Dixieland) either...... but then again, i don't particularly like classical either.

/barbarian

96 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:04pm

re: #78 gop_patriot

Ohhh, just getting over a very serious reaction to antibiotic. :/ Went to the ER two days in a row because my throat was closing. covered with hives, it was really bad. today's the first day that I can even type, my hands were too swollen and i felt too bad. started Sat. night. gaah they are going away but keep trying to come back; dr said this could go on for another week or two. :(

how are you? :)

OMG! ! ! That's AWFUL! Will pray - HARD! My daughter had a reaction to penicillin when she was an infant. Scary as shit!

I am fine. Dental work in coupla weeks. Ugh.

97 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:25pm

re: #80 redc1c4

you said they were on your brain..... i was making a nasty crack about it's size.

/in good fun, of course. %-)

OH! And I didn't even catch it. Double-zing!

Curse you, Red! I'll get you if it's the last thing I do.
/

98 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:39pm

I'd say he's done more than that. (When asked if first baseman Don Mattingly had exceeded expectations for the current season.)

99 mahatma coat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:28:44pm

good morning from a dreary ,cloudy Corcaigh..........excellent quote at the top

100 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:29:51pm

re: #95 redc1c4

i'm not that fond of jazz (except Dixieland) either...... but then again, i don't particularly like classical either.

/barbarian

Red - You gotta do New Orleans before you die. Just don't stay longer than 3 days or the odds will start running against you.

101 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:30:11pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

if you tell your pharmacy, they will screen for it in the future. also ask when you get your meds, and insist that you speak with a pharmacist. it's your right, at least here in CA.

you're luck to be alive, as am i. my allergy is due to w*rk place exposure, as are 2 of my reactions.

102 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:32:11pm

re: #100 Mel Lono

Red - You gotta do New Orleans before you die. Just don't stay longer than 3 days or the odds will start running against you.

been there, done that, more than once. Preservation Hall Jazz band is plyaing here in the Valley sunday night, if you're interested. 2H6 told me we're going. %-)

103 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:32:47pm

People usually get what is coming to them, unless it has been mailed
--anonymous

104 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:33:04pm

re: #101 redc1c4

if you tell your pharmacy, they will screen for it in the future. also ask when you get your meds, and insist that you speak with a pharmacist. it's your right, at least here in CA.

you're luck to be alive, as am i. my allergy is due to w*rk place exposure, as are 2 of my reactions.

Yeah, that was many moons ago, and every doc I go to gets the no-cephalosporins-I-so-effing-mean-it lecture ever since.

105 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:34:18pm

I'm about to fall over, y'all. Niters!

106 zombie  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:34:52pm

re: #99 mahatma coat

good morning from a dreary ,cloudy Corcaigh..........

Here in northern California, we're living under thick atmospheric blanket of choking smoke. It's absolutely bizarre. The sun was deep red, still high in the sky, at 4 o'clock this afternoon, and by 6:30 or so -- still over two and a half hours before actual sunset -- the sun simply disappeared behind impenetrable layers of haze. Open any window and door, and the acrid smell of fire burns your nostrils. My smoke alarm has gone off twice already just from the air!

This has been going on for almost a week. Tomorrow is supposed to be even worse.

And yet there is no fire within 50 miles of where I currently am. It's the cumulative smoke of reportedly over 1000 smallish fires all over the state.

It's certainly one of the strangest "meteorological" periods I've ever witnessed around here.

There's no political dimension to any of this. Shocking, I know! Just a lot of smoke.

107 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:35:21pm

re: #88 redc1c4

anaphylaxis, based upon they symptoms and my personal experience...... what did they give you, and did they at least tell you to not take any more of the antibiotic? did you contact your pharmacy & primary care giver/prescriber?

btw: out of professional curiosity, what was the antibiotic?

/been there, done that x3.

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

108 Mel Lono  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:35:25pm

re: #102 redc1c4

hmmm on my way back from Acton that night.

109 RedPepper  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:36:08pm

“The man who promises everything is sure to fulfil nothing, and everyone who promises too much is in danger of using evil means in order to carry out his promises, and is already on the road to perdition.” ~ Carl Gustav Jung

/are you listening, BHO ?

110 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:37:17pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Sounds like me with any kind of cephalosporin. I was manning the queue monitoring desk at work when the reaction hit. I was getting too hot, and next thing I knew, I was on the floor and surrounded by paramedics.

Dumbass HMO doctor prescribed a cephalosporin after I told him I don't react well.

Yikes! I took cephalo-something just a coupla weeks ago. No reaction for me, but yikes anyway!

111 rawmuse  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:38:49pm

re: #106 zombie

I am practically despondent over it. I love the outdoors, but I can't hack it lately. My dog misses our 4 mile hikes. It definitely is a bad time here.

112 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:39:12pm

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

OH! And I didn't even catch it. Double-zing!

Curse you, Red! I'll get you if it's the last thing I do.
/

Need any help?

/

113 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:10pm

re: #104 RememberSekhmet?

Yeah, that was many moons ago, and every doc I go to gets the no-cephalosporins-I-so-effing-mean-it lecture ever since.

don't tell them "i don't do well"..... use the medical code word "anaphylactic reaction" *that* should do the trick.

114 mahatma coat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:21pm

106 zombie........I guess a bit of cloud isn't much to complain about 'but going hillwalking today and a bit of sun would have been nice.

115 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:40:48pm

re: #93 RememberSekhmet?

Scary! my penicillin reaction was pretty fast like that, but it just so happened that my mom, always prepared with her first aid kit, had diphenhydramine on her and gave me about 50mgs immediately. The doctor said it saved my life, we were way out on the beach (didn't used to put warning labels on meds about reactions to the sun) and hospital was miles away. :/
Glad you're OK!

re: #96 LeePro

(((LEE))) thanks so much, i wanted to come online and ask for prayers but the most I could manage was just to sort of lurk for a minute. :/ really, i was pathetic. miserable. Give me the good old flu any day over an allergic reaction. UGH

Praying for your dental stuff, that it will be easy and you'll recover very well. :)

116 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:42:53pm

Liberals: Liberals are trapped in a "vortex" of inner emotional turmoil from which logic and reality appear with aching appeal as tiny lights at the end of a very long tunnel . . .
---R. Heinlein

117 pat  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:43:37pm

Maybe the reason the Obama people hide his real Birth Certificate is because the Doctor noted that he could cry and laugh at the same time.
/he has no principals. none

118 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:44:48pm

re: #106 zombie

that's awful. hope they get the fires out soon.

119 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:44:55pm

re: #107 gop_patriot

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

You're HERE?!?!?

W'll, dayum then!
Isn't there something I can do?
Anything?

You at parents' or girlfriend's?

120 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:50:05pm

Well, I'm bailing now before the matchsticks propping my eyelids open finally snap...

Night, lizards. Sweet dreams! :D

121 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:51:04pm

re: #119 LeePro

You're HERE?!?!?

W'll, dayum then!
Isn't there something I can do?
Anything?

You at parents' or girlfriend's?

I'm good, thank you! (((HUG))) :) that's awesome of you to offer; believe me, I would have absolutely called you if i needed more help.

fortunately, i have the parents, and in-laws. friend is a nurse, between them all I'm getting great care. Dh and two older kids went home, dh, and son had to work, dd went to camp for the weekend. i'm here with the 5 year old and the grandparents are doting on him, he's loving the attention.

lol i have had NO pride for a few days, just was about to go out of my mind. really, it made me nuts. you wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near me. ROFL

122 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:51:15pm

re: #86 Racer X

The local bar was so sure that its bartender was the strongest man around that they offered a standing $1000 bet. The bartender would squeeze a lemon until all the juice ran into a glass, and hand the lemon to a patron. Anyone who could squeeze one more drop of juice out would win the money. Many people had tried over time (weight-lifters, longshoremen, etc.) but nobody could do it.

One day this scrawny little man came into the bar, wearing thick glasses and a polyester suit, and said in a tiny squeaky voice " I'd like to try the bet" After the laughter had died down, the bartender said OK, grabbed a lemon,
and squeezed away. Then he handed the wrinkled remains of the rind to the little man.

But the crowd's laughter turned to total silence as the man clenched his fist around the lemon and six drops fell into the glass. As the crowd cheered, the bartender paid the $1000, and asked the little man "what do you do for a living? Are you a lumberjack, a weight-lifter, or what?" The man replied "I work for the IRS."

/sneak attack!

123 freetoken  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:52:03pm

Emile Cioran has many zingers attributed to him:

A civilization is destroyed only when its gods are destroyed.


God - a disease we imagine we are cured of because no one dies of it nowadays.


In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world.
124 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:52:41pm

re: #107 gop_patriot

yep. i'm allergic to penicillin, demerol and now cipro. because it wasn't *immediate* anaphylaxis, like when i took penicillin, but came on slowly, i was taking diphenhydramine (benadryl) for the first day. That night it got very bad and went to ER, they gave me more diphenhydramine, a steroid, and epinephrine. Went home, after observation for a few hours with a prescription for a dose pack of steroids. got a little better, then it happened again a day later. same thing, so got a scrip for an epi pen, and they made me an appointment with an allergy specialist the next day, he put me on prednisone and zyrtec, in addition to yucca supplements and continued diphenhydramine. Made A HUGE DIFF and now i'm getting well. yay.

when i get back home, (i'm still in memphis because I was too sick to drive home) i'll alert my pharmacy and drs.

sucked to be me for the last few days. the hives were maddening.

double check with your doc, but you're likely to be allergic to all "floxins" from now on..... make sure everyone (doc, pharmacists, family members) knows, and those that "can't remember" have it in writing so they can hand it over if you're unconscious or the ilk. allergy tags are a good idea too.

too bad about the Demerol though.... %-)

and from personal experience do *NOT* take caffeine in any form while you're on the steroids.....

/got a lot done that day. %-)

125 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:55:13pm

re: #118 gop_patriot

that's awful. hope they get the fires out soon.

we're going to burn from now until the rains, if any, come this fall.....

126 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:55:53pm

re: #121 gop_patriot

I'm good, thank you! (((HUG))) :) that's awesome of you to offer; believe me, I would have absolutely called you if i needed more help.

fortunately, i have the parents, and in-laws. friend is a nurse, between them all I'm getting great care. Dh and two older kids went home, dh, and son had to work, dd went to camp for the weekend. i'm here with the 5 year old and the grandparents are doting on him, he's loving the attention.

lol i have had NO pride for a few days, just was about to go out of my mind. really, it made me nuts. you wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near me. ROFL

Right! Pride has no place in the sick-room! Best to sit back and let others do for you for a change!

Still wish there was something... you know... chicken soup? ...something! (Nana would be so proud!)

I am happy that you're on the mend. Will still pray...

127 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:57:00pm

re: #108 Mel Lono

hmmm on my way back from Acton that night.

they're playing here at 6PM.

email me if you want more details..... did i give you my cell #?

128 LeePro  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:57:08pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL!

129 Jim C.  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:58:12pm

"Fear... those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them." - "The Name of the Rose", Umberto Eco

[Thomas Babington Macaulay] has the journalist's air of being a specialist in everything, of taking in all points of view and being always on the side of the angels: he merely annoys a reader who has the least experience of knowing things, of what knowing is like. There is not two pence worth of real thought or real nobility in him.

C.S. Lewis, 1923

130 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 26, 2008 11:58:39pm

re: #124 redc1c4

thanks, i'll ask the pharmacist. definitely buying some tags now. sheesh, how dorky. but necessary.

don't mind not taking demerol, they subbed morphine for it. ;) have been drinking mostly water and decaf iced tea. i've showed everyone how to use the epi pen, too. hope we never need it of course. and that stuff BURNS when it goes in. shot, no prob. medicine, OUCH. :/

131 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:02:40am

re: #125 redc1c4

In case anyone missed it, here is the image of the day from the 25th showing the smoke from the fires over California. If you have the bandwidth recommend downloading the 250m resolution image.

132 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:04:13am

re: #126 LeePro

:) you rock. i actually tried to email you to let you know i was here, but my email didn't set up properly on this computer. ugh. felt to bad to keep working on it, gave up and logged off. going to work on that tomorrow.

oh, I had the southern version of chicken soup tonight for getting well; commissary barbecue courtesy of my mother in law! that's probably what started healing me. ;)

133 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:07:40am

re: #131 freetoken

that's amazing. were most of the fires caused by lightning, or were they deliberately set? looks too green in the northern part of the state to be burning!

are any fires near you?

134 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:21am

re: #133 gop_patriot

nevermind, read the caption on the first page, duh. ;)

135 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:22am

The fires are mostly by lightning.

136 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:08:58am

re: #135 rawmuse

:) how are you, rawmuse? And slumbering, you still here? hope y'all are doing well.

137 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:11:02am

I am fine, except for the aforementioned smoke. Ms. Rawmuse is off in the midwest visiting her mom. I am here with the pets. Cedar Falls is where the missus is going.

138 LeePro  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:11:02am

re: #132 gop_patriot

:) you rock. i actually tried to email you to let you know i was here, but my email didn't set up properly on this computer. ugh. felt to bad to keep working on it, gave up and logged off. going to work on that tomorrow.

oh, I had the southern version of chicken soup tonight for getting well; commissary barbecue courtesy of my mother in law! that's probably what started healing me. ;)

Magic potion! And very cool M.i.L.!

I gotta go now............. q-w-e-r-t-y—face is not attractive!

You have my phone #...

G'nite {gop} and all my {Lizard faves}!

139 rawmuse  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:12:30am

Goodnight Lizards! Here is hoping that tomorrow is a better day.

140 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:12:50am

re: #133 gop_patriot

I'm way down south...

The news wires attribute the fires to lightning strikes. A very dry soil combined with low humidity at the bottom of the troposphere keeps the rain (falling from the cooler air several thousand feet above) from hitting the ground. However, the electrons don't give a damn and lightning strikes anyway.

California is in a serious drought condition and likely to get worse.

141 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:13:13am

re: #112 LeePro

He burned me good. At the rate I am going, I need all the help I can get.

/tell 'em he's ugly and his momma dresses him funny!
//I got nuthin'.

142 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:13:59am

re: #137 rawmuse

well i hope the smoke doesn't get any worse. can't be good for you. :/ Hope your wife has a nice trip seeing her mom. :)

143 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:14:49am

re: #133 gop_patriot

that's amazing. were most of the fires caused by lightning, or were they deliberately set? looks too green in the northern part of the state to be burning!

are any fires near you?

lightning...... it maybe green, but it's a very *dry* green. not only that, but years of preventing the minor brush fires that would clear out deadwood & undergrowth in the name of "protecting the forrest" have left everything vulnerable to firestorms that burn *everything*, including the top soil.

it's the same problem we have down south: the hills are designed to burn every couple years, but we don't let it happen, so when they *do* burn, you're guaranteed a disaster.

144 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:16:11am

re: #127 redc1c4

I think it's on the martini list

145 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:17:33am

re: #106 zombie

Having done it twice in the last 4 years, my recommendation is to get an air purifier if you can get your hands on one. Doesn't have to be big - a small one will do if you have everyone sleep in the same room.

Makes sleep more bearable. When the smoke lifts it will linger in the house and "airing out" by opening the windows doesn't do much.

For anyone in a rural area near the fires, get a generator - you will probably need it.

146 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #140 freetoken

they call that dry lightning where I live. lol

re: #143 redc1c4

oh yeah, i read about that the last time it burned out there. stupid liberal policy. thanks greenies. Sheesh.

147 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:18:20am

re: #140 freetoken

I'm way down south...

The news wires attribute the fires to lightning strikes. A very dry soil combined with low humidity at the bottom of the troposphere keeps the rain (falling from the cooler air several thousand feet above) from hitting the ground. However, the electrons don't give a damn and lightning strikes anyway.

California is in a serious drought condition and likely to get worse.

kinda hard to get "below median" here with rainfall in the summer, since it never does.... maybe they mean it's likely to be extra hot?

/that'd suck.

148 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:22:26am

re: #144 Mel Lono

I think it's on the martini list

that's what i member, but at my age.....

anyway, it's a free show, at the park, with an $8 charge for parking.....

might be worth it to leave Acton a skosh early, and hang a right on the 118 to Topanga..... i'll be the fat bastard in the Hawaiian shirt & shorts with the cute blond. gimme a call if you want to link up.

(well, one of them, anyway. %-)

149 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:02am

BTW, on the overnight (electronic) trading, dead Texas dinosaur squeezin's are going for over $140/bbl on the front month, and over $141 the following two months.

Up up and away...

150 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:46am

Time for my date with Craig. no Tivo here. Night all.

151 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:25:50am

re: #136 gop_patriot

Oops, missed that. Still here, somewhat. Doin' well enough not to complain. You?

152 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:26:54am

Flirting with $141 and $142 now... for being dead those Texas dinos certainly have a lot of life in them...

153 Mel Lono  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:27:04am

re: #148 redc1c4

But no booze or BBQ at the venue, heh?

154 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:36:57am

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Doing much better now, see my #78 for the backstory. :p

glad you're well. are you near the fires? (you're in CA aren't you?)

155 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:42:18am

re: #152 freetoken

Flirting with $141 and $142 now... for being dead those Texas dinos certainly have a lot of life in them...


no worries: Congress has said they will address the issue and resolve it.

/white smoke (lots of it %-)

156 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:43:37am

re: #153 Mel Lono

But no booze or BBQ at the venue, heh?

there's a BJ's just a few blocks over (decent beer) or i could do up some Q and we'll sneak in the booze. i haven't found any *really* good BBQ anywhere in the Valley.

157 gop_patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:43:53am

Well, I'm exhausted. Goodnight. It was good to 'see' everyone again, i was going through LGF withdrawals. :)

talk to y'all later

158 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:46:57am

re: #157 gop_patriot

Well, I'm exhausted. Goodnight. It was good to 'see' everyone again, i was going through LGF withdrawals. :)

talk to y'all later

best wishes....... and talk to your doc & your pharmacist.

159 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:50:51am

re: #154 gop_patriot

Re: your #78...Shit, that's awful. Cheers to a quick recovery!

Yup, near the fires. Near enough to see a hazy sky that is comprised of nothing but smoke. The air is thick with it. The eyes, nostrils, and throat burn from it. Still, the morons let their children play outside despite the warnings.

160 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:58:20am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

Re: your #78...Shit, that's awful. Cheers to a quick recovery!

Yup, near the fires. Near enough to see a hazy sky that is comprised of nothing but smoke. The air is thick with it. The eyes, nostrils, and throat burn from it. Still, the morons let their children play outside despite the warnings.

natural selection.....

161 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 12:59:45am

Mc Cain's problem?...... one of them, anyway.

/ah lurves this comic

162 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:04:20am
163 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:19:53am

since no one's looking, i'll just mosey on over to the fridge and fix up tonight's fruit cup for LoL...... it must warm her heart no end to know that people like me care enough to help out. %-)

/white smoke

164 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:01am

Heh heh heh, since this is an open thread. I give you my answer to the threat of global warming caused by cattle. :)

/call me Igor and fire up the grill.
//drive by posting maybe, depends on red's shenanigans.

165 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:04am

re: #163 redc1c4

Since the dead Texas dino squeezin's are still pulling > $141/bbls you might want to extra-spike it tonight.

166 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:22:45am

re: #163 redc1c4

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

167 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:23:30am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

Correction. Shot over. :)

168 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:24:27am

re: #164 BlueCanuck

Beef prices have not risen significantly over the past year, unlike most food items (many of which are up dramatically.)

According to some, the story is that the cattle ranchers are dumping their stock now as the cost of feed/care is too high, thus the glut of beef on the market. If that is so, then enjoy it now because in the near future the price could skyrocket.

169 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:32:00am

re: #168 freetoken

Please, don't burst my bubble.

/still stoking the coals for the half cow in my imagination.

170 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:33:40am

re: #162 redc1c4

Heh, I do so love the "ur doin it rong" kinda stuff.

171 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:33:49am

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Nice thing about smoke? it makes a great target for a fire mission battery.

/incoming.

go ahead and hit the smoke.....

/Firefinder & MLRS %-)

172 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:35:27am

re: #167 BlueCanuck

Correction. Shot over. :)

just stay right where you are..... you have incoming mail at that position.

(never heard of shoot & scoot? too late now....... %-)

"SPLASH!"

173 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:37:34am

re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, I do so love the "ur doin it rong" kinda stuff.

fail blog is funnier n' hell too, IMHO.

174 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:37:38am

re: #172 redc1c4

I blames teh internets.

/got distracted by the evil that is face book.

//also I forgot to designate who my FOO was.

175 Karridine  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:40:54am

re: #168 freetoken

Buy as much as practical, FREEZE IT, and enjoy through several months of skyrocketing beef prices! Nummm....

176 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:41:34am

re: #174 BlueCanuck

I blames teh internets.

/got distracted by the evil that is face book.

//also I forgot to designate who my FOO was.

as long as they're a fighter, your Foo will be okay.

/or at least popular %-)

177 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:43:37am

re: #175 Karridine

Buy as much as practical, FREEZE IT, and enjoy through several months of skyrocketing beef prices! Nummm....

or buy th cheap, tough cuts no one likes, and BBQ them......

yum! (but now i'm hongree...... %-)

178 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:45:18am

re: #177 redc1c4

or at least use a good pot roast recipe.

/damn up this late may as well see what happens at fruitcup time.

179 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:47:09am

re: #173 redc1c4

No doubt...my personal favorite.

Oh, so, sad.

180 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:48:40am

re: #178 BlueCanuck

or at least use a good pot roast recipe.

/damn up this late may as well see what happens at fruitcup time.

the usual: double vision, incoherence, tracers and various color shifts, and that's just LoL.....

you'd make pot roast instead of BBQ? you're a barbarian.

181 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:50:06am

re: #180 redc1c4

*sigh* no space for a proper BBQ pit. the travails of not owning a home, and living in a vertical development.

182 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:50:08am

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

No doubt...my personal favorite.

Oh, so, sad.

and i meet people who make me think it's likely true.

(and then there are the ones that can barely read at all, let alone for comprehension. %-)

183 Karridine  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:52:34am

re: #177 redc1c4

Oooh, YAS! That hits the spot! One of the reasons I stayed in Thailand is because of the widespread use of charcoal cooking of beef, pork and chicken, day after day... its ALWAYS 'summer vacation!'

***
Just got here, and now I gotta go... buy groceries etc at The Mall... I might as well be in Poughkeepsie!

CUL, Lizards!

184 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:54:10am

re: #181 BlueCanuck

*sigh* no space for a proper BBQ pit. the travails of not owning a home, and living in a vertical development.

have you considered a Weber Smokey Mountain?

they turn out contest winning Q (assuming you have the chops), take up very little room, and will hold a temp for hours without minding.

/i love mine %-)

185 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:56:36am

re: #184 redc1c4

thanks for the tip. hearted. Just need a balcony now to place it. :)

/but don't underestimate the power of a good pot roast.

//would still take Q over pot roast anyday though.

186 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 1:57:41am

Police Union Standing By Mexican Militia Reports

[Link: kfyi.com...]

187 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:00:05am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

188 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:02:33am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Three cheers for the fruitcup...

Did you see my link upstairs about the food prices? You are being very generous in providing us with fruit... If you wish to be more frugal you might need to turn to beef.

189 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:03:19am

re: #185 BlueCanuck

thanks for the tip. hearted. Just need a balcony now to place it. :)

/but don't underestimate the power of a good pot roast.

//would still take Q over pot roast anyday though.

not even a balcony? you po' bastid...... i don't suppose i should mention i have 3 smokers, 1 charcoal, 1 propane and 1 NG grill, all in their purpose built pagoda out by the pool?

/sympathy, but no hugs
(the whole cootie issue, don't 'cha know %-)

190 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:04:44am

freetoken! :-)

I picked a bad year to give up meat...
;-)

/you really don't have to tell me anything about food prices.
//even dog and cat food went up AT LEAST 30%

191 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:05:36am

re: #187 littleoldlady
Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the cup of goodness. And now I must be going.

re: #189 redc1c4

Tease, rub in your wealth of foodie cookery. Will you accept a dap?

192 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:05:52am

Who's here?

Karridine! :-)

red! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

I thought you weren't working again until Sunday?

193 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:07:05am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

your late & it tastes funny...........

/at least it's free! %-)

194 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:06am

I am way off the mark, and going further off.

Here, are, some roasts.

/ignore the canned laughter...

G'nite Lizards.

195 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:32am

re: #192 littleoldlady

BlueCanuck! :-)

I thought you weren't working again until Sunday?

Ummmm, not working. Stayed up late. :(

196 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:32am

Slumbering is going to slumber? ;-)

197 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Habit, eh? ;-)

198 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:09:30am

re: #191 BlueCanuck

Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the cup of goodness. And now I must be going.

re: #189 redc1c4

Tease, rub in your wealth of foodie cookery. Will you accept a dap?

a little dap 'll do ya? i'm thinking "not".

/too old to be hip & too kool to try. %-)

199 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:09:54am

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Ummmm, not working. Stayed up late. :(

no GF tonight?

200 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:12:43am

re: #193 redc1c4

Better late than...

/hmm. what's worse than being late?

I'm lucky that BlueCanuck was here tonight.

201 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:14:47am

Well folks, I am now off to bed. Scary thing is I am going early. Have fun and see you all next timi

202 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:15:19am

re: #200 littleoldlady

Better late than...

/hmm. what's worse than being late?

I'm lucky that BlueCanuck was here tonight.

for all the good it did...... %-)

203 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:15:42am

good morning all................................Friday, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

204 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:19:07am

re: #203 smokefire

good morning all................................Frida y, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

who waits until 5?

/i don't even wait for fryday....... %-)

205 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:19:35am

'Night, Blue! :-)

re: #203 smokefire

good morning all................................Frida y, it is 5 O'Clock +/- here

Yeah! Same here!

/we must be in the same place! ;-)

206 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:22:13am

re: #205 littleoldlady

East Coast, New England, the "quiet corner" of CT.

You have got to see this...........................

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

207 smokefire  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:24:36am

re: #206 smokefire

....................I will stick to my jeans, work uniform, sweats, and the occasional shorts. Thats right I'm one of those clinging to my guns, church, and conservative ideals.

208 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:26:51am

re: #206 smokefire

Opportunist!

/sheesh
//shorts, sandals, MAN BAG!?

209 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:28:03am

re: #206 smokefire

East Coast, New England, the "quiet corner" of CT.

You have got to see this...........................

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

came up null on my end..... some sort of weird East Coast thing?

210 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:33:35am

re: #209 redc1c4

some sort of weird East Coast thing

Nope. Just plain weird.

/as if YOU on the Left Coast should talk...

211 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:35:57am

Morning yawl.

Just headed to bed, thought I'd stop by and say Howdy.

212 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:36:43am

BC! :-) :-) :-)

213 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:37:26am

Hi LoL, always a pleasure to see you.

214 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:38:22am

Munching on a few strawberries before crawling under the covers.

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:38:26am

re: #213 Birkenstock Cowboy

How've you been?

216 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:39:26am

re: #210 littleoldlady

Nope. Just plain weird.

/as if YOU on the Left Coast should talk...

the link didn't w*rk for me, so i couldn't say....

besides: i'm the only normal person i know. %-)

217 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:41:04am

re: #216 redc1c4

Okay. THAT'S scary!

218 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:41:16am

Mostly good lately. The normal aches and pains associated with my profession. My back has been holding up well and other then a mild ear infection I seem to me in general good health.

219 Steffan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:42:56am

Oh, my.

Charles Krauthammer rips Obama a new fundamental orifice.

The money quote:

The truth about Obama is uncomplicated. He is just a politician (though of unusual skill and ambition). The man who dared say it plainly is the man who knows Obama all too well. "He does what politicians do," explained Jeremiah Wright.

When it's time to throw campaign finance reform, telecom accountability, NAFTA renegotiation or Jeremiah Wright overboard, Obama is not sentimental. He does not hesitate. He tosses lustily.

Why, the man even tossed his own grandmother overboard back in Philadelphia -- only to haul her back on deck now that her services are needed. Yesterday, granny was the moral equivalent of the raving Reverend Wright. Today, she is a featured prop in Obama's fuzzy-wuzzy get-to-know-me national TV ad.

Not a flinch. Not a flicker. Not a hint of shame. By the time he's finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.

220 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:43:17am

Perhaps time for some archeology news...

Ancient painted coffins found

Published: Friday, 27 June, 2008, 01:21 AM Doha Time
CAIRO: A team of Egyptian archaeologists has discovered several painted wooden coffins, including some dating back to the 13th century BC rule of pharaoh Ramses II.

“These coffins were found in the tombs of senior officials of the 18th and 19th dynasties,” near Saqqara, Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt’s Supreme Council of Antiquities said yesterday.

“Some coloured unopened coffins dating back to the 6th century BC were found as well as some coffins dating back to the time of Ramses II,” who ruled from 1279 to 1213 BC, he said.

According to some accounts Ramses II is the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

221 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:44:26am

re: #218 Birkenstock Cowboy

Diving, right?

/still slightly coffee deprived this morning
//hope my remembering function is functioning!

222 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:46:49am

re: #221 littleoldlady
Correct, I work underwater doing hull services. Physically demanding work but it keeps me in good shape.

223 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:49:08am

re: #217 littleoldlady

Okay. THAT'S scary!

then my w*rk here is done....

L8r!

/nap time %-)

224 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:51:04am

re: #222 Birkenstock Cowboy

DIVER DAN :-)

/yeah, I'm old... :-/

225 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:51:23am

'Night, red.

226 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:54:29am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Hilarious

227 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:55:57am

re: #226 Birkenstock Cowboy

WOW. I don't remember it being THAT good. ROTFL!

228 Birkenstock Cowboy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:57:58am

Alrighty then. Time to hit the rack.

Goodnight Yawl

229 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 2:58:29am

'Night, BC! :-)

Hope to see you again soon!

230 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 3:00:00am

I need to get to work.

/I don't WANT to get to work, but I need to...

Good day, ALL!™

231 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:05:54am
Barack Obama said he is glad the Supreme Court has bolstered the second amendment's legal power but stressed that its ruling

does not mean the end of gun control.

Be sure to wear your FLIP FLOPS when you go to the beach!

you are cute when you talk out both sides of your mouth.
/don't eat redneck crackers.

232 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:08:20am

Morning Lizards.

N. Korea destroys nuclear reactor tower

PYONGYANG, North Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Friday destroyed a water cooling tower at a facility where officials acknowledge they extracted plutonium to build nuclear weapons, according to a CNN producer on the scene.

/but not until they got what they REALLY wanted.

On Thursday, North Korean officials turned over to China a 60-page declaration, written in English, that details several rounds of plutonium production at the Yongbyon plant dating back to 1986.

In it, North Korea acknowledges producing roughly 40 kilograms of enriched plutonium -- enough for about seven nuclear bombs, according to the U.S. State Department.

233 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:12:45am
North Korea on Friday destroyed a water cooling tower at a facility where officials acknowledge they extracted plutonium to build nuclear weapons

Its all Bush's fault.

234 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:13:27am

re: #232 Bubblehead II

Interestingly enough :

This Day in History

235 hans ze beeman  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:16:08am

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

236 rightwinger3  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:18:29am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

I believe that's The Emperor of Star Wars fame.

237 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:19:35am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Bwah.

/today I will make her tour and clean the Iranian out house.

238 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:20:47am

Gaza truce broken yet again as 2 mortar shells hit w. Negev

One of the shells landed near Kibbutz Kfar Aza, in the Sha'ar Hanegev region, while the other hit an open area. No one was wounded and no damage was reported.

/But it's not the fault of Hamas. They can't control the other groups *SPIT*

239 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:21:31am

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

and the official NORK mouth piece says we started it.

240 suntory_boss  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:26:45am

Interesting article on Obama's choice of music. If you look in the comments, on a website dedicated to MUSIC, Obama supporters are bashing Israel.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

241 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:26:57am

later

anyone else having to work Fridays?

high price of fuel creates 4 day work week.

in your dreams.

/we need a southern union.

242 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:27:30am

Some of the quotes in this article are just....WHAT!?

Gun ban ruling has Chicago thinking it's next

243 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:30:12am

The British Labour Party takes another hit.

Gordon Brown’s anniversary ruined by Henley disaster

It was certainly a gory night for Labour. Fifth place in a by election with just three per cent of the vote is not the sort of way Gordon Brown would wish to mark his first anniversary as Prime Minister.

A little over a thousand people voted Labour and even two tiny parties - the Greens and the BNP - beat them. In the last election Labour was a distant third here with 6,862 votes.

244 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:31:46am

re: #241 ibmkeyboard

later

anyone else having to work Fridays?

high price of fuel creates 4 day work week.

in your dreams.

/we need a southern union.

I switched to a 4-day work week @ month ago.
In my case, though, my son is out of school and I chose to have 3-day weekends. The fuel savings are a bonus, but my employer pays 1/2 my fuel for the week anyhow. 84 mile round trip, negotiated a couple of years ago.

245 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:34:10am

Time to go.
Have a good day.

246 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:43:47am

I think Gov. Palin would be a great choice for VPOTUS

247 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 4:57:35am

I guess with the destruction of the North Korean
nuclear tower, we won't hear many talking points concerning
Bush's failed North Korea policy. Iraq is off the table now, too.
It was funny the dems said Bush's Iraq policy was failed because
it was unilateral.(it wasn't). Bush's North Korean policy was failed
because is was multi-lateral and we weren't involved enough.
But, people have short memories.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:01:40am

re: #247 NonNativeTexan

Remember Kerry in a debate saying he would have one on one talks with the NOKs? Bush basically replied it was a stupid idea, we have to have everyone on board and freeze them out.

Bush was right Kerry. Suck on it

249 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:03:43am

Thank godness Kerry lost. What a dark day in the US that
would have been.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:04:29am

re: #249 NonNativeTexan

Hey Bud, just you and me. Who you wanna talk smack about?

251 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:04:51am

re: #247 NonNativeTexan

Yep, and it'll all be gas and housing.

I'll ralph if they bring out the old It's The Economy, Stupid slogan again. Like they know how to do anything but run it into the ground.

Gotta take mini-me to the doctors for his shots, c ya's.

252 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:05:07am

Whoever else ain't here, of course..

253 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #252 NonNativeTexan

Whoever else ain't here, of course..

I'm here and listening. Watch those North Koreans carefully folks. They have destroyed a cooling tower for PR purposes, but I haven't seen the reactor itself dynamited yet. The cooling tower can be quickly built again if desired.
But hey this is a start, and I hope they are sincere, and Pres. Bush wins the argument, again, heh.

254 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:09:54am

re: #253 HDrepub

I'm here and listening. Watch those North Koreans carefully folks. They have destroyed a cooling tower for PR purposes, but I haven't seen the reactor itself dynamited yet. The cooling tower can be quickly built again if desired.
But hey this is a start, and I hope they are sincere, and Pres. Bush wins the argument, again, heh.

In the tyrant world, saving face is a big deal. So, Kim Is Ill being
humbled is a good thing.

255 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:10:37am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Good Morning. These people are nuckin futs. Cute nose.

256 gwillie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:11:27am

I got a reply to one of my blog post that I think is a real eye opener. I had mentioned the often denied claim that environmental extremists would like to reduce the population to around 400,000,000. Well I guess I miss read that because this guy thinks 6,000,000 is about the best we can do, oh and try not to hurt any frogs on the way out.

Thanks for the plug, even if you do disagree. I don't think I count as a movement, however. I think the post of mine to which you link is pretty original and not based on readings in a movement.

As for limiting the population, just be sure to understand these important things about me.

1) I do not support any legislation to actually limit human numbers.
2) I support programs that have the effect of voluntarily limiting numbers, such as educating women and getting them into the workforce.
3) I do not claim to know where the actual limit will be. This is something that, since we will not likely limit our numbers voluntarily, will be limited by planetary resources.

If I am right, and we do not take action to limit our numbers voluntarily, we are in for some very painful times during The Great Human Die-Off, which will be carried out by nature, ruthlessly.

Also, I feel, based on my own admittedly non-scientific observations, that the number of humans left when the population stabilizes will not be as high as 400 million. I think that, by my calculations, 300 million is a number we know to be unsustainable. Perhaps 60 million is sustainable. Perhaps 6 million is sustainable.

Perhaps our large brains will prove to be counter to survival and the species will simply go extinct.

If so, it would be my hope to minimize the damage to other species on the way out. We have already caused a mass extinction greater than the one that killed off the non-avian dinosaurs 65.3 million years ago. Let's hope we can stop ourselves from creating a mass extinction of the proportions of the Permian/Triassic extinction 250 million years ago.

Since we're already in a mass extinction, it makes sense to pay attention to the observed fact that large warm-blooded species fare very poorly in mass extinction events. Humans are a large warm-blooded species.

257 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:15:38am
The fanatic is incorruptible: if he kills for an idea, he can just as well get himself killed for one; in either case, tyrant or martyr, he is a monster.
— E. M. Cioran

IMO this is total bullshit, hardly worthy of being called a philosophical observation. Monsters are not necessarily fanatics and they are certainly corruptible. More importantly a whacko who is killed for his beliefs is not in the same moral league as a whackjob who kills for his. And we all know there are good monsters and bad monsters.
Good morning LGFers.

258 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:15:47am

#256 gw

Zero population growth is another bad idea for the western world.
Turns out, the way we are going, zero pop growth is turning
into zero population.

259 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:18:52am

re: #256 gwillie

Hey, die-off! Always a popular subject around here....

While I have astounding prognostication abilities, there still are paths into the future that are occluded from my eyesight.... among them the future human population on this planet.

We have a high probability of continuing our warfare ways, which means we could have sudden huge die-offs... or not.

For the year 2100 I could believe anything from that 6,000,000 figure to one considerably higher (say 10 billion.)

Doubt that many of us will live to the year 2100 to be sure, though.

260 gwillie  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:19:58am

re: #256 gwillie

woops I forgot to block quote the lefties reply, I'm sure you're all smart enough to know where he starts his rant, second paragraph.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:28am

re: #259 freetoken

Every man woman and child on the planet earth could stand in an 8 square foot spot and fill up an area about half the size of Rhode Island.

262 Beobachter  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:38am

re: #235 hans ze beeman

The Dinnerjacket introduces his wife

She's a first lady, so it's probably a Prada burqa

Boy, she's a cutie, isn't she.

263 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:56am

Good morning folks. 73 degrees as the sun also rises over Chambodia. Another hot steamy one today, and I ain't talking cheesecake.

Zero population growth? My Darwinian fitness is a healthy 1.75, so I'm cool.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:20:58am

re: #260 gwillie

I had to work at it...but I figured it out. Whew, thought you were nutz!

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:21:25am

re: #263 Lucius Septimius

LUCIUS! Enjoying summer?

266 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:02am

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Every man woman and child on the planet earth could stand in an 8 square foot spot and fill up an area about half the size of Rhode Island.

People who talk about overcrowding never have flown over
Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, Kansas,..

267 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:36am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sort of -- yesterday was way too hot, then I discovered the kids and pushed the thermostat up to about 90.

268 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:22:36am

re: #255 opnion

LOL, wasn't that picture taken during the swimsuit competition?


Morning Lizards! Happy Friday!

269 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:23:15am

Chicago's Mayor Daley is pretty near hysterical about the Court 2nd Amendment ruling yesterday.
He is claiming that it will make things like the Old West, with gun fights in the streets.
Huh? Gun violence in Chicago is at an all time high, even with a strict hand gun ban. A criminals job description is , well criminality.
This should actually bring the violence down if the thugs think the other guy might be packin.

270 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:24:02am

re: #258 NonNativeTexan

#256 gw
Zero population growth is another bad idea for the western world.
Turns out, the way we are going, zero pop growth is turning
into zero population.

Yeah right, if we can't outfight 'em let's try to outscrew 'em.
And while we're at it, let's see if we can out-terrorize 'em too.
I'll be damned if I will allow my reproductive behaviour to be dictated by my enemies. Instead, I'd rather secure the borders and fight the bastards.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:24:57am

re: #266 NonNativeTexan

When you read this tripe, you'd think that the planet was the equivalent of a freakin' Who concert.

(Remember Who concerts? Got really crowded, people got trampled to death, etc.?)

272 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:08am

re: #262 Beobachter

Attractive nose. LOL.

273 Dizzy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:22am

Complaint against Mark Steyn DISMISSED!

Dizzy

274 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:30am

#270 Sparrow
Bad morning?

275 republic  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:25:38am
The Patriot Post
Founders' Quote Daily

"Nothing more than a change of mind, my dear."


-- James Madison (responding to his niece asking what was wrong,
28 June 1836)

Reference: James Madison: Commander in Chief, Brandt, vol. 6 (520)

276 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:06am

re: #266 NonNativeTexan

People who talk about overcrowding never have flown over
Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, Kansas,..

I like what P.J. O'Rourke says about it -- for most of the Paul Ehrlich type population-panickers, it's a case of "enough of me, way too much of you."

The real issue, historically speaking, has to do with incentives to having smaller families, and the most effective one has been stable property rights. The "western" demographic pattern that emerged in the thirteenth century (there have been occasional blips in the eighteenth and nineteenth century) involved smaller family size -- 2-4 children on average being the standard -- and was associated with the end of serfdom.

In many places in the third world, large families are still perceived of as an economic necessity, and, not surprisingly, those places are ones where property rights are practically non-existent.

277 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:51am

An ideal response to the population reduction nutbars is "You and your family first, pal."

278 rightside  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:27:56am

re: #269 opnion

I live south of DC, and always wondered when the local news said there was another shooting with a handgun. That's impossible I said to myself, handguns are not allowed in the District, so how could they have been used to shoot someone?

279 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:06am

re: #272 sparrowlake

Attractive nose. LOL.

Uncovered meat!

280 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:06am

re: #43 Killian Bundy

Obam's new Seal.

/Michael Ramirez

oho! and a HEH.

281 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:28:58am

re: #268 rightside

LOL, wasn't that picture taken during the swimsuit competition?


Morning Lizards! Happy Friday!


Yup, she has that competition nailed. If she takes Miss congeniality, then Miss Iran is within reach. I think that politics might come into play, you know, fix in for some Ayatollah's sweetie.

282 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:04am

re: #274 NonNativeTexan

#270 Sparrow
Bad morning?

I'm working on it. LOL.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:37am

re: #276 Lucius Septimius

Interesting. My mother was one of 12, my dad one of 9...farming necessity. They moved to the city, average 3 kids each...Ceptin' my Aunt Nan...9 kids, Mormon farming family.

284 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:29:51am

#276 LS

I agree, an agriculture intensive society does have a lot
to do with. By the way, that is way too much thinking for this early:)

285 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:30:04am

re: #278 rightside

Handguns are magical totems of violence. There mere existence in society leads to crime. One cannot touch one without being filled with a neanderthal-ish patriarchial masculinist desire to kill people. They must be banned and destroyed, and Gaia cleansed of their very presence, except in places like the Middle East where having hand guns and shooting them in the air in celebration is part of the authentic native culture.

/kostard off.

286 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:31:26am

re: #53 Bob in Breckenridge

CHARLIE DANIELS ON OBAMA

Guns and Church

Since I identify with the people who fall into Barrack Obama's elitist description about people of faith who keep firearms I'm not very happy with Barrack Obama's recent remarks.

He said something to the effect that us rednecks cling to our guns and our religion when we get frustrated and I would like to take umbrage to these remarks. My faith goes much deeper than his superficial explanation and I love my guns even when I'm not frustrated.

And I am not by myself. I was going to church and shooting guns before Mr. Obama was even born and come from a long line of good people who have been doing it for generations.

To me this latest Obama blunder only helps reveal the depth of condescension the far left wing of the Democrat party has for the folks out here in flyover country.

Mr. Obama's remarks are insulting to a lot of folks. It's kind of like Abraham Lincoln said, 'God must love the common people because he made so many of them'.

His remarks make me think that Obama doesn't know the people of this country very well. I'm sure he knows the jet set and the Hollywood bunch, the limousine liberals and the save the whales, kill the babies crowd, but does he think that the ordinary people don't count? Does he think that they're so stupid that they don't know who he's talking about when he says these things? Does he think their opinions aren't important? Apparently.

How can a man stand in front of America and tell people what he wants to do for them and have so little respect for a whole segment of the population. In fact, a very large segment. Does that mean that he would only represent the high-minded liberal ideals of the far left and ignore the rest of us?

What kind of Commander and Chief would he make if he doesn't respect the very people who make up the lion's share of the armed forces.

You may say I'm over reacting, but I'm getting sick and tired of him making these elitist statements and saying that he had been taken out of context or some other flimsy excuse.

After his wife's remark about not being proud of this country and his pastor's statements calling America the U.S.K.K.K.A. and his own statement about not wanting his daughter punished with a baby, it makes me wonder what kind of a man Obama really is and what kind of a president he'd make.

Would he be an antigun advocate pushing the effort to take the firearms out of innocent citizen's hands? Would he not respect the religious beliefs of America, not taking them into account in his agenda?

I really don't know much about the man and neither does America. He basically came from out of nowhere and as the facts come out little by little, they don't make a particularly confident picture.

I have a great fear that if our military gets broken by another president, this time we're not going to have time to fix it again and what that spells for America, I don't even want to contemplate.

Oh well, I guess I'll grab my gun and go to church.

Pray for our troops.

Worth repeating. for the great unwashed....

287 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:52am

Good morning Lizards.......

288 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:55am

re: #35 RememberSekhmet?

"They change the skies but not themselves, those who travel over the seas."---Homer, I believe.

"Mmmmm....donuts!"---Homer

289 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:32:59am

re: #59 NomadOfNorad

I have an existential map, it has "you are here" written all over it.
--Steven Wright

Doesn't Steven also have a map that's actual size?

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:33:08am

Going to buy a handgun today....gonna ask the guy what to get. Have no clue, gonna take lessons, gonna be responsible, gonna practice.

If I need to use it in self-defense, the police will ask me, "Why did you shoot him six times?" I will reply, "Ran out of bullets."

Does that make me a Monster?

291 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:33:27am

re: #284 NonNativeTexan

I've been up for a while -- I'm used to teaching 8 AM classes.

292 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:34:39am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going to buy a handgun today....gonna ask the guy what to get. Have no clue, gonna take lessons, gonna be responsible, gonna practice.

If I need to use it in self-defense, the police will ask me, "Why did you shoot him six times?" I will reply, "Ran out of bullets."

Does that make me a Monster?

Only if your gun had a 11 round clip and you fired all eleven rounds and only hit him six time. Then yes you are a monster...for wasting so much precious ammo...

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:34:42am

re: #289 FrogMarch

Tried to fold it. Took MONTHS.

Had a scale key, said "One mile equals one mile".

294 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:37:06am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

Oooh. Thanks. Great advice!

296 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:37:08am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

Handguns are magical totems of violence. There mere existence in society leads to crime. One cannot touch one without being filled with a neanderthal-ish patriarchial masculinist desire to kill people.

Also very good for killing family pets.

297 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:07am

UK spending cuts force army aviation regiment to disband

The British Army's only homeland security and civil-emergency support aviation regiment is to disband by April 2009 as an economy measure.

UK drops last two Type 45s to halve class size

The UK government has publicly acknowledged that plans to order two additional Type 45 'D'-class air-defence destroyers for the Royal Navy (RN) have been abandoned, reducing the class offtake to just six ships.

This brings the class size down to just half of that originally envisaged at the outset of the programme.

Repair delays leave Canada without operational subs

Ten years after buying four Victoria-class (Upholder) diesel-electric submarines from the UK, the Canadian Navy is again without an operational underwater unit.

Two boats, HMCS Victoria and HMCS Windsor, are undergoing extended docking work periods, which are taking longer than anticipated and will not be completed until late 2009.

We can't afford war no more.

298 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:10am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

ROTFLMAO................Just get a S&W .50 Mag.... If your going to be a monster you might as well be packing a monster...

299 Right Brain  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:25am

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.

Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.

300 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:39am

re: #294 jaunte

You can save some money if you take lessons first and try a few different models out before you buy. Get the one you're most comfortable firing.

Isn't it better to get the one that makes the biggest effin hole in the target?

301 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:40am

Today is the resumption of the baseball Civil War in Chicago Sox/Cubs.
Parking lots at trains are half empty & so are the downtown streets.
Lots of people with hats & jerseys on.
After last weekend's Cub sweep at Wrigley , the Sox are looking for a little pay back. This is really fun.
Go SOX!

302 pittrader1988  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:38:51am

Funny how the folks that want market transparency are the same folks that do everything they can to keep the financial markets opaque.

Investment banks caused the credit crunch themselves. Now that they have brought our financial system to the brink, they are saying we need more transparency. When solutions to this problem are proffered, they fight them tooth and nail. The banks are making too much money off opaque markets.

Kind of like a teen ager setting his own curfew.

303 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:39:24am

re: #285 Lucius Septimius

except in places like the Middle East where having hand guns and shooting them in the air in celebration is part of the authentic native culture.

/kostard off.

Yes, they have been shooting in the air in celebration in the Middle East for thousands of years. Except before, they threw their spears straight up in the air.

304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:40:55am

re: #298 doriangrey

I'd be askeered of it!

305 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:11am

re: #299 Right Brain

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.

Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.


I think history will be much kinder to George W. Bush than the current MSM idiots have been. He has run his administration by doing what he thought was right for the long term, not what was necessarily popular at the time being, or met the so-called "conventional wisdom".

306 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:20am

re: #300 sparrowlake

A .22 in the right spot works better than a .50 in the ceiling.

307 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:41:28am

re: #300 sparrowlake

Isn't it better to get the one that makes the biggest effin hole in the target?

Only if the point of having a gun is to you know, defend yourself... Otherwise you might as well get yourself one of those little .25 cal pistols that just piss off the people you shoot...

308 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:42:21am

re: #303 Tigger2005

Yes, they have been shooting in the air in celebration in the Middle East for thousands of years. Except before, they threw their spears straight up in the air.

Don't you know they invented gunpowder? And guns? And printing? And calculus? And the washing machine? And radio? And computers?

309 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:42:58am

OMG - Ball Girl! - how did she do that? Make sure to watch the re-play. Incredible if it's true.

310 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:21am

re: #306 jaunte

A .22 in the right spot works better than a .50 in the ceiling.

Better for what? Pissing off a cracked out gang banger?

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:22am

re: #307 doriangrey

Oh, I want them dead! Dead I tell ya!

(love the little animals tho...just not the bad human animals)

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:47am

re: #309 FrogMarch

Not. Saw it yesterday...faked. Promotional thing.

313 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:43:59am

re: #293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes - that's right. It took him months to fold it - LOL!

314 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:44:01am

re: #305 HDrepub

I think history will be much kinder to George W. Bush than the current MSM idiots have been.

Likely so.

It amazes me how the MSM genuinely believe that they get to decide what is "historic" and what is not, and to determine future generations' view of the present. Their arrogance is boundless.

315 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:44:12am

One more from Jane's before I leave:

Need a women? No problem...

Yemen's role in trafficking Iraqi women

In the last three years, Yemen has become a centre for trafficking Iraqi women.

In Yemen, this has focused on transhipment; the women are brought to Yemen and then sold to clients in other countries, mainly the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC) countries.

I'm wondering why something can't be done about this.

316 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:11am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not. Saw it yesterday...faked. Promotional thing.

ah. first glance - I thought - no way anyone can jump that high.

317 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:24am

re: #308 Lucius Septimius

Don't you know they invented gunpowder? And guns? And printing? And calculus? And the washing machine? And radio? And computers?

Don't forget discoverd America. Columbus had a Muslim Navigator.
Strange since the whole idea was to find a sea route to the East , in order to avoid being killed by Muslims on the land route.
It does exp[lain though how they got lost.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:45:46am

I have been supportive of Bush since the beginning. Misteps here and there, but I have never questioned his intentions. That's just me. Yell at me if you want, but there it is.

319 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:27am

re: #314 Lucius Septimius

Likely so.

It amazes me how the MSM genuinely believe that they get to decide what is "historic" and what is not, and to determine future generations' view of the present. Their arrogance is boundless.

The MSM needs to go back to reporting the news, instead of trying to make the news or install the latest "talking points".

320 jaunte  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:48am

re: #310 doriangrey

I just mean that if the shooter isn't comfortable with the handgun, it gives them fewer chances to shoot accurately.

321 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:46:51am

re: #316 FrogMarch

ah. first glance - I thought - no way anyone can jump that high.

Two steps up the wall is still quite amazing, and she's a cutie pie as well...

322 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:26am

re: #299 Right Brain

Whereas dozens of you have mentioned Korea and Bush, we must all be thinking alike, many conservative writers, and some not-so-conservative writers, have been chuckling about the success in Iraq as indicative of President Bush's foreign policy working long term.
Now with the AMAZING success he has had in N. Korea his legacy is secure: a President who got it right more often than he got it wrong.

I agree with your sentiment, but I can't help thinking Dubya is at best an idiot savant - and that the magnificent troops are winning the Iraq war in spite of the administration's bungling. And I wouldn't uncork the champagne just yet on N.K.

323 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:57am

re: #315 freetoken

One more from Jane's before I leave:

Need a women? No problem...

Yemen's role in trafficking Iraqi women


I'm wondering why something can't be done about this.

Meanwhile China is negotiating a big trade agreement with Yemen. I guess the chicks are part of the deal.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:47:58am

Gotta run kids. You guys play nice. Gonna visit a couplea gun shops.

How much should I plan on spending on a first handgun? Not looking for a collectors item or anything. Three to five hundred do me?

325 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #320 jaunte

I just mean that if the shooter isn't comfortable with the handgun, it gives them fewer chances to shoot accurately.

With a .50 mag, you dont have to shoot accurately, once that mother goes off everyone is running for cover....

326 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:48:54am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have been supportive of Bush since the beginning. Misteps here and there, but I have never questioned his intentions. That's just me. Yell at me if you want, but there it is.

I'm with you. I have always thought he tried to do what was best for our protection, often at great political cost. He has never been poll driven like Bill Clinton.

327 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run kids. You guys play nice. Gonna visit a couplea gun shops.

How much should I plan on spending on a first handgun? Not looking for a collectors item or anything. Three to five hundred do me?

I'd say more like $500 to $900. As a starter gun your best bet is probably a Glock 9mm.

328 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:50:32am

I'm outta here too. Gonna strap on my handgun and go for a walk. I'm legal too.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:51:53am

re: #327 doriangrey

I've shot a glock. Easy to handle, I was pretty accurate with it. I've shot a handgun perhaps 12 times. 10 times with that glock. Thanks.

330 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #262 Beobachter

it could be easy to be a tranny in iran all covered up.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:25am

re: #330 yochanan

Mr. B. J. Hooker?

332 George guy  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:41am

re: #323 Lucius Septimius

Meanwhile China is negotiating a big trade agreement with Yemen. I guess the chicks are part of the deal.

That would make sense; the Chinese do have a shortage in that particular area.

333 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:53:45am

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (74 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) bright, sunny and humid
Charlotte!
I'm lucky to be here this morning, since we lost our electrical power for about 20 minutes and it's been sorta "erratic" all morning long.

How is everyone this fine morning?

334 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:54:13am

Morning Everyone!

I don't really know what everyone's been talking about so far, I read upto about comment #53 -- excellent post, but I'm having some philisophical/value based doubts going on.

Essentially, here is my dilemma. I think Israel Apartheid Week (yeah, sorry for bringing this up again) is an abomination and I'd love to see it disappear from Campuses forever. However, the only way to do that would be to start putting restrictions on free speech. Stating explicitly that that kind of speech inevitably leads to intimidation, fear, and eventually violence if left unchecked.

I feel very strongly against IAW, but also do not want to compromise the integrity of free speech. Specifically, I'm afraid of not being able to draw the political correctness line... if they cannot bring up their conception of Israel Apartheid, what will I not be able to bring up against them? I feel it would provide a precedent on which other groups (Arabic, Muslim, Persian, etc.) would be able to demand that no criticism be leveled against them. (I don't feel that IAW is a criticism, its an outright lie, but thats not how the 90% of other students who know nothing of the issue would view it).

Anyways, I may have started talking in circles. But that is my dilemma. How do I prevent the abomination of IAW without sparking a precedent of PC-ness that would overwhelm anyone's rights to criticize and offend (if necessary)?

335 HDrepub  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #327 doriangrey

I'd say more like $500 to $900. As a starter gun your best bet is probably a Glock 9mm.

Glock makes an outstanding weapon, but for carry guns in this price range Kahr has the corner on concealment and weight I have a Kahr P-40 Covert model, in .40 S&W, weighing 17 oz and very slim in profile. It doesn't have the mag capacity of a Glock but that's why it's more concealable.

337 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:55:50am

re: #333 realwest

Mornin' Real.

Too frickin' hot.

338 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:56:55am

re: #323 Lucius Septimius

China has a young woman deficit that is estimated to be in the several million. Too many baby girls killed at birth...

339 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:00am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've shot a glock. Easy to handle, I was pretty accurate with it. I've shot a handgun perhaps 12 times. 10 times with that glock. Thanks.

Thats actually what make the Glock 9mm such a perfect beginners gun. It's size and weight make it fairly easy to be accurate with and 9mm doesnt have a great deal of recoil but still has good knock down power, so unless you are literately shooting a PCP or crack crazed lunatic or someone with body armor they are going down with one or two shots.

340 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:36am

re: #333 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (74 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) bright, sunny and humid
Charlotte!
I'm lucky to be here this morning, since we lost our electrical power for about 20 minutes and it's been sorta "erratic" all morning long.

How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning realwest, hope you are feeling well this morning...

341 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:38am

re: #330 yochanan

it could be easy to be a tranny in iran all covered up.

Yep, and if you're a kinky two-income Iranian family you could hire a tranny Irani nanny.

342 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #337 Lucius Septimius Morning Lucius, it is waay too hot and waay too humid already today.
I suspect our power loss and mini-outtages are from folks using their A/C units more and earlier than usual.
How's it by you?

343 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:57:50am

re: #338 freetoken

China has a young woman deficit that is estimated to be in the several million. Too many baby girls killed at birth...

Nice to see how "reproductive rights" are working for all those progressives over there.

344 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:16am

re: #334 rlevitin

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

345 eon  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:17am

re: #310 doriangrey

Better for what? Pissing off a cracked out gang banger?

Morning (late), Lizards.

The late Jeff Cooper said it best, in the motto of the old SouthWest Combat Pistol League (SWCPL); Diligencia- Vis- Celeritas. Or in English, "Accuracy-Power- Speed." Meaning that you need all three in appropriate proportions to accomplish the mission.

A .22 hit to a nerve center is a lot more discouraging to an assailant than a loud miss from a .500 S&W. By the same token, a drugged-up or frenzied assailant may not notice a minor caliber hit, even a fatal one, in time to prevent him from harming or killing you. It takes time for the brain and CNS to notice that, say, the heart has a hole in it and blood supply is dropping precipitately. The projectile must inflict enough damage for the CNS to take notice within no more than a couple of seconds to do you any good. This depends as much on the state of the target as the caliber of your weapon.

As a general rule, the break point for rapid incapacitation seems to be at about 450-500 foot pounds muzzle energy. This is more or less irrespective of bore size, within limits; the hands-down best "stopper" seems to be the .357 Magnum, 125-grain hollow-point (no matter who makes it- Remington, Federal, whoever). Rounds with similar ballistics (hot 9mms, .357 SIG, .40 S&W, 10mm Auto) seem to do equally well. Below 400 FPE, things can get dicey (with apologies to the .45 ACP and 9 x 19mm Para fans out there). (Truth in advertising; I use a 9 x 23mm Largo, delivering a 124-gr JHP at 1250 for 425 FPE).

My personal advice is also drawn from Col. Cooper;

"God forbid that you ever have to shoot, but if you do, shoot twice."


Gotta run. Have a great day, Lizards.

/And keep your powder dry


cheers

eon

346 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:58:57am

re: #342 realwest

I'm doing ok -- still trying to adjust to the blood pressure meds. I was pretty loopy all day yesterday. Not like anyone would notice. It did come in handy during a committee meeting. I'd say something outrageous and people would look at me and I'd just say "it's the drugs."

Worked in college, why not now?

347 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 5:59:07am

re: #340 doriangrey

Hey dorian - yeah, I'm doing ok, thanks - how about you? How's your 'vette? How long until she's back on the road again?

348 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:24am

Overnight oil traded up a bit. November WTI had a high of $143! August is still over $140 with 1 minute to go before the pit trading.

Up up and away?

349 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:29am

re: #341 sparrowlake
ROFL! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED for making that one! LOL! Funny as hell though!
Good morning to you and thanks for the chuckle!

350 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:00:37am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

Hmmm, your not the same Ford_Prefect that used to post over at Aceshardware by any chance are you?

351 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:02:40am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the terrorists have been busy in Gaza again -firing off mortars at Israel. Yet the media continues to push the notion that there's a ceasefire.

Amazing. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

352 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:02:49am

Well I'm off to work have a nice day all ya'll Lizards out there....

353 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:03:44am

re: #350 doriangrey

Hmmm, your not the same Ford_Prefect that used to post over at Aceshardware by any chance are you?

No. To be honest I am new to this whole blogging thing. I just started doing it here in the last week or so. You guys inspired me.

As for the name, I am just a big fan of the Hitchhikers series.

354 doriangrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:04:33am

re: #351 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the terrorists have been busy in Gaza again -firing off mortars at Israel. Yet the media continues to push the notion that there's a ceasefire.

Amazing. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Just remember, the MSM believes that its only a cease fire when the Jew's walk into the ovens and dont fight back.

355 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:06:25am

re: #349 realwest

Hi Real.
I am duly chastened.

356 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:06:51am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

Yeah, but they've been saying this crap for 4 years. That was the policy of Jewish organizations and groups on campuses when it first started in 2004, and it has only been getting worse and worse.

They have students who are registered "part-time" and get paid essentially to agitate. The Jewish students who become targets of all this crap are full-time students, while I seriously wish it was possible, they cannot be expected to "fight bad speech with more speech" its just not logistically possible to counter their propaganda.

I just agree with what you are saying about the whole attention thing. Hence my dilemma.

357 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:08:05am

re: #345 eon Hi eon! Sorry you had to run - it's not as if I'm an expert or anything, but my Dad (rip) once said to me, just as I was going into the Army, that he'd carried a .45 pistol (1911 model) as his service weapon (he was a fighter jock so he had it only in a just-in-case situation) that with a .45, if you hit the bad guy in the pinky finger you'd knock him down. My smart-ass reply was why not shoot him in the head instead of the pinky? But Dad was right - other than a .44 Magnum and MAYBE a .357 Magnum, there isn't a better "stopper" out there (don't know about the .50 cal Desert Eagle cause I could hit anything with it to find out what the stopping power ight be!).

358 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:08:59am

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

359 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:04am

re: #344 Ford_Prefect

Trying to stop people from speaking their mind generally just brings them more attention. I feel it is better to let them talk as eventually they are sure to say something that shows the world just how stupid they are.

There is also this excellent video to illustrate just how bad its gotten:

360 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:38am

re: #346 Lucius Septimius LOL! Once you get used to it, I'm sure you'll go back to being you're same old loopy self!
;')

361 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:09:49am

re: #358 WriterMom

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

Morning WriterMom... maybe u can give me a hand, can you look up and read my post #334?

362 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:11:25am

re: #358 WriterMom

Good morning.

If anyone sees OR around these parts-this one is for him:

What Ferengis Can Teach Us About Free Speech

That's good.

363 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:13:31am

Good morning lizards!

364 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:14:55am

re: #356 rlevitin

Yeah, but they've been saying this crap for 4 years. That was the policy of Jewish organizations and groups on campuses when it first started in 2004, and it has only been getting worse and worse.

They have students who are registered "part-time" and get paid essentially to agitate. The Jewish students who become targets of all this crap are full-time students, while I seriously wish it was possible, they cannot be expected to "fight bad speech with more speech" its just not logistically possible to counter their propaganda.

I just agree with what you are saying about the whole attention thing. Hence my dilemma.

They only have the right to speak if their agenda is within the bounds of legitimate political debate and does not over cross over the line of promoting hate against campus minorities and actual intimidation.
I happen to think that most of these assholes have crossed the line.

365 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:15:23am

re: #334 rlevitin

Good morning. I am a free speech absolutist, but here is the dilema with "Israel Apartheid Week" in my opinion. I have a problem with universities allowing fully discredited "scholars" such as Ward Churchill come and do their thing under the guise of academic freedom and thereby grant them legitimacy when they are clearly antisemtic POS. So, I think any lobbying or demonstrating against this should be a careful scrutiny of who is being presented as a legitimate academic. I think these people should be allowed to speak about anything, unless it crosses the line of threatening harm or real incitement. But there is something very important-the alumni and the local Jewish community have to stop donating to the universities who insist on carrying on with these events. Vote with your wallet-it's the most effective message to a university. No big fancy chairs in someone's name...no annual donations. That's a more effective protest. And the local Jewish communities also have to take a stand-they leave it to a few brave student activists to do their thing. I would say it's important to go to the lectures, document and video tape them and shine the light on these a-holes.

366 yesandno  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:15:43am

OT

Not sure this has been brought up as I haven't read everything here.

But the Canadian Human Rights Commission dismissed the case against Maclean's for publishing excerpts from Mark Steyn's book:

[Link: www.marksteyn.com...]

Another one for the good guys!

367 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:16:06am

Did I miss a specific event?

I'm going to read upthread...maybe I missed something. Just finished my coffee.

368 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:17:14am

Coffee .... mmmmm.

369 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:17:49am

re: #366 yesandno
YEA! I hadn't heard about that decision and I think it's great!
And, iirc, that's the first time the CHRC has ruled against a complainant, too!

370 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:18:21am

re: #366 yesandno

Just read about that on Ezra. It's MOST EXCELLENT!

371 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:18:37am

re: #364 sparrowlake

They only have the right to speak if their agenda is within the bounds of legitimate political debate and does not over cross over the line of promoting hate against campus minorities and actual intimidation.
I happen to think that most of these assholes have crossed the line.

That is the line that we are trying tow right now. It is essentially our last refuge, the whole "it's not political debate, it's hate speech" argument.

There are two problems with that though, first, they never book a hall and invite a speaker and say "we are going have hate speech" they say "this is political debate" and it inevitably turns hateful. Or else regardless they turn it into a "free speech" debate which causes a lot of media ruckus and makes Jews and the administration and everyone else who is sane look like evil censoring groups.

372 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:20:42am

re: #367 WriterMom

Did I miss a specific event?

I'm going to read upthread...maybe I missed something. Just finished my coffee.

Is that for me? No, my post 334 was the first one I made today. Its just been on my mind. I am going to be on the executive of a couple jewish groups at my campus, so its something I'm gonna need to deal with.

373 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:16am

re: #340 doriangrey

Good morning realwest, hope you are feeling well this morning...


good morning all.. going to get hot today in Indiana..
i think like 90 degrees..weeeee!

374 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:27am

re: #255 opnion

LOL. Yah-it's a huge turn-on.

375 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:21:59am

re: #372 rlevitin

Where are you? What city?

376 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:22:00am

re: #371 rlevitin

That is the line that we are trying tow right now. It is essentially our last refuge, the whole "it's not political debate, it's hate speech" argument.
There are two problems with that though, first, they never book a hall and invite a speaker and say "we are going have hate speech" they say "this is political debate" and it inevitably turns hateful. Or else regardless they turn it into a "free speech" debate which causes a lot of media ruckus and makes Jews and the administration and everyone else who is sane look like evil censoring groups.

Absolutely correct. So that's why Writer Mom is correct when she points out the importance of taping/filming them and exposing their hate speech to the light of day.

377 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #372 rlevitin

Is that for me? No, my post 334 was the first one I made today. Its just been on my mind. I am going to be on the executive of a couple jewish groups at my campus, so its something I'm gonna need to deal with.

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?

378 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:23:29am

Good morning lizards.

Headline on Drudge: O.J. says, "Anybody else wouldn't be going to court."

Me to O.J.: "Anybody else couldn't get away with murder."

379 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:24:02am

re: #377 Lucius Septimius

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?


Good advice.

380 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:24:21am

re: #359 rlevitin

There is also this excellent video to illustrate just how bad its gotten:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

381 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:25:22am

re: #373 HoosierHoops

good morning all.. going to get hot today in Indiana..
i think like 90 degrees..weeeee!

It was 105 degrees yesterday afternoon. But it dropped to 75 for the evening.

/reporting from sunny Florida

382 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:05am

re: #375 WriterMom

Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

re: #377 Lucius Septimius

Good luck. Just make sure you develop really good relations with campus security and don't let the administration intimidate you into keeping your mouth shut when the nasties get all kinds of support and you don't.

You know about FIRE, right?

FIRE? and the administration has been excellent, but the groups running Israel Apartheid Week (they are being sponsored by CUPE - - a government union here) have been putting IMMENSE pressure on the administration, and while they are taking a lot of "symbolic" actions to show support for us, I fear the end result will be nothing has changed.

383 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:12am

re: #371 rlevitin Good morning!
I have to say that I'm sort of an admirer (sort of? boy there's an understatement!) of Thomas Jefferson who said that he believed in totally free speech; let anyone say anything that they want to
(as opposed to any sort of governmental censorship) and let the ideas expressed compete with each other in the "Market Place of Ideas". Ole TJ had great faith in the good sense of the average everyday American to separate the wheat from the chaff in the war of ideas and words.
I don't think they had "teenagers" or "prolonged adolescence" then the way we do now, but I suspect he'd feel the same way today.
And, as hateful and spiteful as a lot of speech is, I'd rather err on the side of protecting Free Speech than in censorship.
Also, FWIW, I think Free Speech is, perhaps, our most precious freedom.

384 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:26:35am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

It's definitely a problem.

385 Lively  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:27:09am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect

I have to admit that I had no idea it was that bad. I must say that I am speechless.

Wow, that's intense. There's really a lot of hate in that video. Why do we let them get away with that. I had no idea that kind of thing went on either.

386 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:27:35am

re: #382 rlevitin

Foundation for Individual Rights in Education -- Alan Kors' organization. They do lots of pro bono legal work for first amendment cases.

387 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:29:41am

re: #377 Lucius Septimius FIRE? Um what do you mean by that?

388 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:15am

re: #387 realwest

What I just said above you ...

389 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:37am

re: #383 realwest

Good morning!
I have to say that I'm sort of an admirer (sort of? boy there's an understatement!) of Thomas Jefferson who said that he believed in totally free speech; let anyone say anything that they want to
(as opposed to any sort of governmental censorship) and let the ideas expressed compete with each other in the "Market Place of Ideas". Ole TJ had great faith in the good sense of the average everyday American to separate the wheat from the chaff in the war of ideas and words.
I don't think they had "teenagers" or "prolonged adolescence" then the way we do now, but I suspect he'd feel the same way today.
And, as hateful and spiteful as a lot of speech is, I'd rather err on the side of protecting Free Speech than in censorship.
Also, FWIW, I think Free Speech is, perhaps, our most precious freedom.

Yeah, thats one of the pillars of my dilemma. lol. I'm a fan of the Voltaire saying "I may disagree with what you say, but I would defend with my life your right to say it". Except in this case I don't really feel that way about what they are saying =P.

I'd agree with the whole "marketplace of ideas" thing, but as I mentioned above, they have got people who are paid full-time activists. We just cannot counter their propaganda point for point, and as much as I'd like to hope that nobody is convinced by anything they say, there is a disappointing amount of ignorant people out there who will believe the first thing they hear.

390 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:30:57am

re: #388 Lucius Septimius Ah, didn't see that until I posted the question, nevermind!

391 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:31:52am

re: #386 Lucius Septimius

Ahh, I see interesting. I'll have to look into it. I am Canadian, so they may not be able to help out at all, but I'll definitely check out their website.

Thanks.

392 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:32:05am

Well -- it's been fun, but I gotta run. Lot's to do today.

Have a great day, ya'll.

393 godfrey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:33:07am

re: #53 Bob in Breckenridge

That is great stuff from Charlie Daniels.

re: #334 rlevitin

How do I prevent the abomination of IAW without sparking a precedent of PC-ness that would overwhelm anyone's rights to criticize and offend (if necessary)?

You can't prevent people from staging misleading events and saying stupid, hateful things. What you can do is patiently undermine everything they're doing on the one hand, and getting up in their face on the other. Mobilize opposition. Get other people involved so it doesn't look like your personal crusade (sic), so you don't burn out, and so it outlives your own time on campus. Get faculty support. Be nice to the administration. You're right, and just, and you will win. The fight is everywhere.

394 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:33:13am

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.

395 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:34:17am
396 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:36:29am

Again-I don't think 'hate speech' is an issue. Let them be hateful and wallow in their filth. I want to know who they are. My approach would be to focus on:

1) Jewish donations to the school
2) The legitimacy of 'academics' who come to the campus
3) Documenting the presentations to see if there is any actual incitement, and uploading to YouTube, and/or letting local media who are sympathetic know about the events
4) Organize peaceful counter lectures/demonstrations with good fact sheets and also invite media and document/videotape

Of course they are hateful SOBs, but 'hate' should not be the rallying cry.

397 opnion  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:37:06am

re: #278 rightside

I live south of DC, and always wondered when the local news said there was another shooting with a handgun. That's impossible I said to myself, handguns are not allowed in the District, so how could they have been used to shoot someone?


See how that works? Ban guns & the gangbangers use water baloons. Much safer

398 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:38:09am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.

That's very disturbing.

399 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:38:23am

re: #389 rlevitin "there is a disappointing amount of ignorant people out there who will believe the first thing they hear."
I quite agree with you on that, but the question for TJ (and for me) is the same: do you let the fact that there are a lot of ignorant people (not to mention STUPID, hateful people) change your value system?
I watched about as much of that video as I could stomach this early in the AM and have to say it's the worst propoganda for their side that I can imagine. Yes some ignorant souls might agree with them, but I don't want to see our public policy based upon the ignorance of (hopefully) the few.
As for those who are STUPID and HATEFUL there is little we can do, for there is no cure for STUPID.
Also would point out that TJ and I are talking about GOVERNMENTAL censorship, not private censorship.
For waaaaaay too many years now, academic types
(or at least the administrative parts of Academia) have allowed too much Hatefull and disgusting speech to go on in the name of "academic freedom" but that's something that, frankly, the alum's of any particular college or university have more control over than anyone else.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:39:11am

Here's some good news to brighten up your morning...

Governor Bobby Jindal Signs Chemical Castration Bill

BATON ROUGE – Governor Bobby Jindal today signed the Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill, SB 144, authorizing the castration of convicted sex offenders.

Governor Bobby Jindal said, “The Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill is a good bill, and I am especially glad to sign it into Louisiana law today, on the same day the Supreme Court has made an atrocious ruling against our state’s ability to sentence those who sexually assault our children to the fullest extent. Those who prey on our children are among the very worst criminals imaginable.

“Not only as the Governor of this great state, but as a father of three children, I believe that sexually assaulting a child is one of the very worst crimes and I am glad we have taken such strong measures in Louisiana to put a stop to these monsters’ brutal acts. I want to send the message loud and clear – to the Supreme Court of the United States and beyond – make no mistake about it, if anyone wants to molest children and commit sexual assaults on kids they should not do so here in Louisiana. Here, we will do everything in our power to protect our children and we will not rest until justice is won and we have fully punished those who harm them.”

401 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:40:25am

re: #399 realwest

For waaaaaay too many years now, academic types
(or at least the administrative parts of Academia) have allowed too much Hatefull and disgusting speech to go on in the name of "academic freedom" but that's something that, frankly, the alum's of any particular college or university have more control over than anyone else.

Absolutely. I'm trying to remember the campaign started by the alumni of an American university it was huge...something about giving them the finger, or nails...anyone remember? My brain hurts.

402 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:05am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Awesome. Second best punishment!

403 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:11am

re: #396 WriterMom

Again-I don't think 'hate speech' is an issue. Let them be hateful and wallow in their filth. I want to know who they are. My approach would be to focus on:

1) Jewish donations to the school
2) The legitimacy of 'academics' who come to the campus
3) Documenting the presentations to see if there is any actual incitement, and uploading to YouTube, and/or letting local media who are sympathetic know about the events
4) Organize peaceful counter lectures/demonstrations with good fact sheets and also invite media and document/videotape

Of course they are hateful SOBs, but 'hate' should not be the rallying cry.

Yes, that seems to be the best course of action.
Step 1) is really not so easy to do. Because it is both hard to contact those who donate, and also because it would probably be hard to get them to agree.
Step 2) is something that I hadn't thought of specifically, but it's definitely something we should do. (Thanks! =D)
Step 3) is something I was thinking we definitely should do, and hasn't been sufficiently done in the past.
Step 4) is the main focus of the groups now, getting peaceful counter lectures going/educating as many people as possible, particularly prior to February when this whole is likely to bubble up again.

404 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:35am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Horrendous. And his son shot the video.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:41:36am

re: #385 Lively

Wow, that's intense. There's really a lot of hate in that video. Why do we let them get away with that. I had no idea that kind of thing went on either.

Related from DKos:

One is struck by the continual use of terrorism against civilians on the part of Israel and its bungling accomplice in the Middle East, the US government. The mindset is clearly one of civilized western values Americans and Israeli, taking action against Arab non-western "savages".

From the human rights group B'Tselem, portrayed in the US media as anti-Semitic, although they are Israeli Jews, we have more reports of Israeli IDF tactics against Arab non-combatants. These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq.

406 BobbyKay  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:42:08am

The brother has been charged in Toronto-area honour killing:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

407 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #403 rlevitin

Feel free to contact me by e-mail if you need any other advice. I am in Toronto and may be able to assist in some other ways.

408 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:43:13am

re: #396 WriterMom

You make some very good points. Nothing speaks louder to the Universities than money. Make sure that all the local Jewish organizations and business owners etc are aware of this and that they use their dollars to take a stand.

409 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:44:03am
410 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:46:31am
411 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:47:29am
412 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:48:01am

So, like many other folks, check in with Drudge from time to time. Saw his headline earlier this morning - the doom and gloom of the Arctic polar ice cap melting away... and then decided to take a closer look.

For starters, the scientists were offering probabilities - and that was a worst case scenario (or best case, if you think global warming is manmade and happening). Then, the articles mention that the Northwest Passage would open up for the first time in recorded history, even though that would be news to Roald Amundsen, who navigated the Passage from 1900 to 1903. How'd he manage it without it being recorded in history?

Junk science and poor reporting... go hand in hand.

413 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:48:10am

BTW - Very late last night or very early this AM, someone asked if anyone had heard that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama - I certainly don't want to perpetuate a myth, and would like to think that Powell is to smart and too perceptive a man to do that, but has anyone heard about this?

414 freetoken  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:49:16am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

From your link:

"This bill also provides that a court may instead order a physical castration instead of the chemical castration. Convicted sex offenders who undergo castration must still serve their full sentence, as their treatment will not affect their sentencing. "

Something tells me this will not hold up...

415 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:49:50am

re: #412 lawhawk

So, like many other folks, check in with Drudge from time to time. Saw his headline earlier this morning - the doom and gloom of the Arctic polar ice cap melting away... and then decided to take a closer look.

For starters, the scientists were offering probabilities - and that was a worst case scenario (or best case, if you think global warming is manmade and happening). Then, the articles mention that the Northwest Passage would open up for the first time in recorded history, even though that would be news to Roald Amundsen, who navigated the Passage from 1900 to 1903. How'd he manage it without it being recorded in history?

Junk science and poor reporting... go hand in hand.


Aren't there active volcanos under the North Pole, or somewhere close by?

416 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:50:05am

re: #407 WriterMom

Feel free to contact me by e-mail if you need any other advice. I am in Toronto and may be able to assist in some other ways.

I think I'd need to have your e-mail for that? ;)

and thanks. I appreciate it!

417 sparrowlake  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:07am

re: #406 BobbyKay

The brother has been charged in Toronto-area honour killing:
[Link: www.thestar.com...]

Like father, like son - such horrible, sick, Islamofascist scum.
BTW, have you noticed how completely and thoroughly MSM has buried this case (and the whole issue) for the past few months? It will be interesting to see how long it takes for this story to be reburied.

418 yochanan  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:09am

re: #365 WriterMom

i am not a free speech absalutist for me if the goal is hate and genocide than F''' UM. better to smash um when they are a small group than to have to fight for your lives when they are a big group.

419 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:51:28am

re: #394 Wyatt Earp

Morning, Lizards! At least you didn't have to wake up knowing everyone wants to kill you.


This asshole is already being portrayed as a free speech martyr by certain circles here in Philly.

420 realwest  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:54:42am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning to you!
"These tactics resemble those used by US Marines in Haditha, Iraq." Of course one can expect no better from Kos, but I'd think even they would know that so far ALL the Marines at Haditha have been cleared and only one remains to be put through the UCMJ ringer.
Thank you very much, John Fucking Murtha, you S.O.B.
As for the substance of the comment, it's not atypical, of course, for Kos to try to differentiate Anti-Semitism from Anti-Jewish, but then again, Kos has never been known for his depth of intellectual thinking or originality of same.

421 akak  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:54:46am
Jindal To SCOTUS: “F.U.! I’ll Castrate Child Rapists!”

President Glenn Beck Wouldn’t Detain Terror Suspects - He’d Shoot Them In The Head

/well hey our ticket isn't written in stone yet?

422 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:57:24am

re: #418 yochanan

yoch-if they say 'we're gonna kill the Jews' or something like that, then let the police take care of it. If they whine about the Jewish conspiracy, or want to give 24/7 b*jobs to the Palestinians-who cares? If they assault someone-police.

423 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:57:54am

re: #416 rlevitin

I put my nic in blue-you can e-mail me using the LGF safe mail.

424 rlevitin  Fri, Jun 27, 2008 6:58:25am