If America ever needed a Mulligan, now would be the time.

I have no use for this man.

The kind and compassionate Left.

I don't have speakers at my work computer. What's he saying?

How, uh, nuanced.

Can't view the video from work :-( Is Hitchens trying to get thrown onto the bus?

If it's Hitchens, I'm betting I'm going to like it.

Will watch now.

Obama, a hack if there ever was one, is running circles around McCain.
Does Harry Reid have a wind powered car?

Sigh -- I guess that bumper sticker "**** it, McCain 08" fits.

The GOP is only human. No one should be "shot". But the price of freedom is constant vigilance, and we surely could do a better job checking our politicians' greed and effectiveness.

I still think the GOP is better than the alternatives.

re: #2 rawmuse

I have no use for this man.

The enemy of my enemy....

...is my enemy's enemy.

/neither do I

"The rage of the entitled."

He nails WAB pretty well.

If Christopher Hitchens were a novel, he'd be Withering Depths.

Sadly, I agree.

How did we end up with McCain as our candidate anyway? I seem to recall everyone but McCain at the top of the polls.

Clinton "a horrible primate."

LOL!

re: #13 chinesearithmetic

If Christopher Hitchens were a novel, he'd be Withering Depths.

Oh, very good!

How does PETA feel about that?

Hitchens on bill clinton- "A horrible primate... "

Now- that's just not fair to primates.

Who's the gap toothed hillbilly chick?

Calling GOP candidates like Thomas, Romney and Guiliani "pathetic" and "Losers" is really not justified. They are all a far cry above and beyond any of the Dems. Absent the monkey wrenching from the Dems, one of them would have been our candidate.

Hitchens sucks.

re: #8 pat

Obama, a hack if there ever was one, is running circles around McCain.
Does Harry Reid have a wind powered car?

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Not true. Technically, Obama is running AWAY from McCain, refusing to meet the GOP candidate without preconditions--except for a one-time ridiculous July the Fourth offer.

Speaking of Bill Clinton, Hitchens says:

"He is what he is -- a horrible primate."

Is there a transcript for those of us w/o speakers or unable to view YouTube at work?

For those who can't watch the video; Hitchens smashes the Obamas, the Clintons, McCain in particular, and the GOP in general. He's equal-opportunity gloomy, in a way.

Hitchens is good, but the interviewers -- amateur hour. Not a good format.

re: #14 Pastorius

Sadly, I agree.

How did we end up with McCain as our candidate anyway? I seem to recall everyone but McCain at the top of the polls.

The same way the GOP ended up with Bob Dole in '96 and GWB in '00 - it was "his turn". Fairness will sink the GOP...

If the Republican party does the spade work of constantly and aggressively pursuing every falsehood and venality of the Democrats, if they get out the message of who they are running against and what the consequences of failure will be, then they can have a victory on the order of the Gingrich revolution. If they try to be to clever by half and shade the differences then they will be crushed.

"...horrible primate..." that was funny.

I am having computer issues. What in hell is he saying?

Someone throw me a bone (no pun intended)....lol

re: #24 Occasional Reader

For those who can't watch the video; Hitchens smashes the Obamas, the Clintons, McCain in particular, and the GOP in general. He's equal-opportunity gloomy, in a way.

OK, fair enough. He should smash the Dems while he's at it.

re: #25 zombie

Hitchens is good, but the interviewers -- amateur hour. Not a good format.

Yeah, the Spunky Morning Show Crew approach...

Speaking generally, I have problems with people who have absolutely nothing good to say about anyone, at any time. The creep me out.

If Christopher Hitchens was shot it would be cosmic justice if he came back as a dog......in Gaza.

re: #28 Dan G.

"...horrible primate..." that was funny.

Let's just hope it's one that will miss out on natural selection.

re: #14 Pastorius

Sadly, I agree.

How did we end up with McCain as our candidate anyway? I seem to recall everyone but McCain at the top of the polls.

Here's how - you had a bunch of candidates who ran among the worst campaigns ever envisioned. They thought that you could skip over flyover country and start with Florida (Rudy) - which proved disastrous. Or didn't have the heart in it (Fred). Or were flat out loony (Paul). Or creepy (Huckabee). Or were born Mormon (Mitt).

I know I'm simplifying things quite a bit, but while each of those other campaigns stuttered, McCain kept on building slowly, until he became the frontrunner.

re: #20 rawmuse

Calling GOP candidates like Thomas, Romney and Guiliani "pathetic" and "Losers" is really not justified. They are all a far cry above and beyond any of the Dems. Absent the monkey wrenching from the Dems, one of them would have been our candidate.

Hitchens sucks.

I disagree. As a pundit, it is his role to slam everybody.

He does not spare the Dems in the slightest..

re: #34 Sharmuta

;)

Hitchens has spent too much time writing about Thomas Jefferson and the Founders. He really expects the current crop of U.S. presidential candidates to measure up. What a naive fool! ;-)

re: #29 Tilly

I am having computer issues. What in hell is he saying?

Someone throw me a bone (no pun intended)....lol

On the particular quote that Charles leads this thread with, he's saying that the GOP put up terrible candidates, "has-beens", and in particular that McCain is too old-ish, doesn't seem aware of what's going on, is famously intemperate, etc. I agree with rawmuse that he's painting with too broad a brush. OTOH, I think I hear him yearning for the GOP to come up with stronger candidates... again, I think... which is not a bad thing.

re: #37 Dan G.

Someone had to say it. ;p

McCain pulled in Dem voters in early OPEN primaries, which are, by all evidence designed to let political parties choose their preferred opponent.

"If the GOP Were a Dog, It Should Be Shot that would make the Democrats a steaming pile of dog shit"

/fixed

re: #34 Sharmuta

Let's just hope it's one that will miss out on natural selection.

He didn't. There's Chelsea. Now were she not to have kids, then Bill Clinton would miss out on natural selection.

re: #24 Occasional Reader

For those who can't watch the video; Hitchens smashes the Obamas, the Clintons, McCain in particular, and the GOP in general. He's equal-opportunity gloomy, in a way.

A pox on all their houses, may seem a worldly position to take but it's not very constructive.

I can't watch this at work, is he just ripping away with pithy put downs? Or is he going after policy positions?

re: #36 zombie

Then you agree with his broad generalizations? I am the GOP. Should I be shot?

Shoot them? But... but... but... Real Liberals don't believe in guns! How could he say that?

/Sarc

This is dumb. Hitch must be thinking, what high school newspaper do you represent?

re: #26 CIA Reject

The same way the GOP ended up with Bob Dole in '96 and GWB in '00 - it was "his turn". Fairness will sink the GOP...

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Disagree with your statement. McCain's campaign was considered collapsed last year, hardly the "next in line". Some folks wouldn't vote for the best candidate (Romney, in my opinion) but went for the folksy jokesy Southern pastor.

re: #14 Pastorius

Sadly, I agree.

How did we end up with McCain as our candidate anyway? I seem to recall everyone but McCain at the top of the polls.

The democrats chose him and the republicans chose Obama.

re: #40 Sharmuta

I was thinking about saying it... but I've got work to do and can't hang out and deal with the strawmen and red herrings of the copy and paste brigade all day.

It takes a Carter to get a Reagan. Unfortunately there are no Reagans. Pleanty of Carters - but no Reagans.

re: #45 rawmuse

Then you agree with his broad generalizations? I am the GOP. Should I be shot?

Hey, hey. He's using the "dog that should be shot" thing metaphorically, that's perfectly clear. Let's not make this into something it isn't.

re: #46 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Liberals believe in gun rights (they wrote the Constitution), leftists don't.

re: #41 rawmuse

When you take all of Hitchens'm statements as a whole, he's not saying anything much different from what a lot of people here and elsewhere are saying, i.e.:

"Amongst a crop of not-particularly good candidates, McCain is all we got."

If that really so controversial?

Hitchens also said he has never liked Obama, and hates his wife.

re: #50 Dan G.

LOL! There's always this weekend.

re: #51 FrogMarch

It takes a Carter to get a Reagan. Unfortunately there are no Reagans. Pleanty of Carters - but no Reagans.

I'd call McCain more of a Ford or a Bush I, not a Carter. He could still suprise us though.

Obama; however, out-Carters Carter.

I don't blame the republicans all the way. the left-wing media is a giant storm trooper front backed by Soros and idiots and liars - who cater to our uneducated emotionalist video game playing short attention span society.

You don't have to like Hitchens, but you do have to listen to him.

re: #53 Dan G.

I stand corrected! Unfortunately The Left has co-opted the term.

re: #30 Honorary Yooper

OK, fair enough. He should smash the Dems while he's at it.

Again, maybe I'm being too optimistic here, but; I get the sensation that he really thinks the Dems are simply beyond repair, which is why he doesn't bother saying much about them. (BIG CAVEAT HERE: This is an edited series of clips, he may well have talked for hours about the Democratic Party for all we know.) But to me he's sounding more like a frustrated Republican (though I think he'd deny it) than a leftist moonbat.

re: #35 lawhawk

They thought that you could skip over flyover country and start with Florida (Rudy) - which proved disastrous.

May be it's not so much the candidates as the process.

Giuliani may be exactly what the country needs, if what he did in NYC is proof, but because under no circumstance- because of one or two social issues- can he appeal to who controls in Iowa and such, he stands no chance of bringing the nation his needed talents.

The problems with Romney were
1) Hillary syndrome. He thought he could coast to victory.
2) His peers really dislike him for some reason, more than they did the nut-case Paul, and they communicated that to the audience more effectively than they made debating points against each other. It wasn't his religion. Hell in this year as a counterpoint to Islam Mormonism might have been a plus. The democrats were putting out red herring attacks on his faith because they were afraid of him. He was not my choice but I did see how he got derailed.

BBL. Got to buy ammo.

re: #36 zombie
"As a pundit, it is his role to slam everybody." Well, ok, that's one definition of a "pundit", but as for rawmuse's comment in #20 "Calling GOP candidates like Thomas, Romney and Guiliani "pathetic" and "Losers" is really not justified." I have to agree with rawmuse.

Maybe Hitch just doesn't do these sort of morning interview show formats very well.

re: #55 Sharmuta

I'm polishing up my fallacy/bullshit detector... What's more, I'm going to find some educational material to post as spin-offs to clean up some of the disinformation that has been spewed here.

re: #59 Conservative in Liberal Hands

They co-opt a lot of things- some of which we should really take back. The rest should be utterly rejected.

I love reading Hitchens: his content is provocative, style unmatched and quips entertaining. We could use a few more iconoclasts like Hitchens. And yes, I disagree with him often, but with trepidation.

re: #45 rawmuse

Then you agree with his broad generalizations? I am the GOP. Should I be shot?

I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but it's not especially out-of-line, nor surprising.

McCain is boring, and has practically no charisma.

I'll do everything in my power to get him elected, but I'm not going to fool myself that he's Mr. Thrilling.

So, yes, the GOP has somewhat blown it. Sure, Hitchens resorted to hyperbole, but that's a pundit's job.

re: #41 rawmuse

McCain pulled in Dem voters in early OPEN primaries, which are, by all evidence designed to let political parties choose their preferred opponent.

Yes. The weakest candidate from each party was chosen.

re: #52 Occasional Reader

Hey, hey. He's using the "dog that should be shot" thing metaphorically, that's perfectly clear. Let's not make this into something it isn't.

Obviously right.

And for what it's worth, I think he has a real point. I know that when McCain ended up the nominee, it certainly wasn't the happiest day of my life.

re: #14 Pastorius

Because the libs did to us what we tried to do to them with operation chaos. The msm pushed the "oh no, he's a Mormon" crap with Romney, they belittled and blamed Rudy (although he could have done better himself), Thompson never got out of the gate (I want my money back :)).

And, the GOP lost their back bone a long time ago. If they had any gumption, Scooter Libby would never have been persecuted. Karl Rove would be lauded and honored as he deserves instead of have been tossed under W's bus. Granted W's bus is much shorter then bambi's, but they all have them.

Honestly, I'm surprised Luap Nor didn't win the republican nomination, the way the msm tried to stack the election.

re: #66 Dan G.

Awesome- I look forward to see it.

re: #48 alegrias

* * *
Disagree with your statement. McCain's campaign was considered collapsed last year, hardly the "next in line". Some folks wouldn't vote for the best candidate (Romney, in my opinion) but went for the folksy jokesy Southern pastor.

I see your point, but it's been my observation in recent elections that the "financial conservative" and "social conservative" wings of the GOP tend to beat the sh*t out of each other in the early going so that at the end, when they need a candidate, the only one available is the old hack (or the old hack's son in the case of GWB).

re: #65 realwest

Maybe Hitch just doesn't do these sort of morning interview show formats very well.

I would do TERRIBLY if interviewed on a morning show. "WOULD YOU ALL QUIT BEING SO F*****G PERKY! IT'S 6 AM! WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!"

re: #38 quickjustice

Hitchens has spent too much time writing about Thomas Jefferson and the Founders. He really expects the current crop of U.S. presidential candidates to measure up. What a naive fool! ;-)

The Founding Fathers didn't have a press that was more interested in scandal than substance.

re: #62 opinionated

I agree. I loved Giuliani but he was unelectable. Too many ex wives, mistresses and one of his best buddies is a pedophile priest (allegedly). He never would have made it.

I pretty much agree with him overall.

re: #59 Conservative in Liberal Hands

They did, with help. I believe (would need to very with him though) that Rush used the term to malign left-leaning liberals... meaning those who believe in freedom, but tended towards socialism. The adjective "left-leaning" was meant to subdivide those who considered themselves liberals. However, people treat it as though left-leaning was meant to define (not divide) liberals... At any rate, the word is too good to allow it to be lost (liberal = free) so I'll be mentioning this quite frequently.

re: #69 zombie OK, please disregard my comment #65.

re: #27 lifeofthemind

If the Republican party does the spade work of constantly and aggressively pursuing every falsehood and venality of the Democrats, if they get out the message of who they are running against and what the consequences of failure will be, then they can have a victory on the order of the Gingrich revolution. If they try to be to clever by half and shade the differences then they will be crushed.

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Plenty of Democrats and Americans apparently want America to fail, under a lame leader, thinking the "world" will like us when we're down, but under a "likeable" charismatic.

re: #77 Kosh's Shadow

The Founding Fathers didn't have a press that was more interested in scandal than substance.

Actually, they did. You should read some of the slanders against John Adams from somes of the early newspapers regarding his presidency.

re: #67 Sharmuta

Amen! I abhor that the language is consistently shaped to the Left's advantage. Probably due to the preponderance of their pervasive influence in theater, art and poetry.

re: #58 Jonn Lilyea

You don't have to like Hitchens, but you do have to listen to him.

No thanks. F**k him. They should have asked him who he thinks he is going to vote for, that would be revealing.

re: #69 zombie

I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but it's not especially out-of-line, nor surprising.

McCain is boring, and has practically no charisma.

I'll do everything in my power to get him elected, but I'm not going to fool myself that he's Mr. Thrilling.

So, yes, the GOP has somewhat blown it. Sure, Hitchens resorted to hyperbole, but that's a pundit's job.

McCain, more than other candidates and potential candidates, has the potential of winning precisely because he's got that silly maverick reputation and appeals to Independents. Republican ID has been declining over the past few elections so it is imperative that the GOP chooses candidates with broader appeal. McCain fits this profile.

Granted, he's not Mr. Thrilling.

If you could manipulate world-historical events by choosing the presidential candidate -- but not the voter's will -- what "winner" would you have chosen?

re: #85 VegasRick

No thanks. F**k him. They should have asked him who he thinks he is going to vote for, that would be revealing.

Is he even a US citizen?

If he is: I can't imagine he'd vote for Obama in a million years.

re: #35 lawhawk

Here's how - you had a bunch of candidates who ran among the worst campaigns ever envisioned. They thought that you could skip over flyover country and start with Florida (Rudy) - which proved disastrous. Or didn't have the heart in it (Fred). Or were flat out loony (Paul). Or creepy (Huckabee). Or were born Mormon (Mitt).

I know I'm simplifying things quite a bit, but while each of those other campaigns stuttered, McCain kept on building slowly, until he became the frontrunner.

* * *
Mormons serve our country honorably, faithfully & well in all capacities, and there is STILL no religious test to be president of the USA.

re: #75 Occasional Reader Even more so if you were suffering from a hangover! Egads, I could NEVER do a morning show interview!

re: #88 zombie

He is

re: #88 zombie

Is he even a US citizen?

If he is: I can't imagine he'd vote for Obama in a million years.

He should say that.

re: #75 Occasional Reader

I would do TERRIBLY if interviewed on a morning show. "WOULD YOU ALL QUIT BEING SO F*****G PERKY! IT'S 6 AM! WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!"

I knew I loved you for some reason.

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

Actually, they did. You should read some of the slanders against John Adams from somes of the early newspapers regarding his presidency.

Indeed- he was quite glad to leave Washington.

re: #88 zombie

Is he even a US citizen?

Yep.

Hitchens became a United States citizen on the steps of the Jefferson Memorial, on his fifty-eighth birthday, April 13, 2007.

re: #89 alegrias

You're absolutely correct that there isn't a religious test, but that doesn't mean that people aren't prejudiced or biased or racist, etc. I do think some of that played a role in Mitt's failure to win the nomination.

I voted for McCain, my first Republican vote, in New York, although the nomination was a done deal. One of my heroes in journalism was Lars-Erik Nelson of the New York Daily News, who died during the Florida recount in the shocking manner of Tim Russert. McCain had a friendly relationship with Nelson, who turned out to be among the last of the "Herald Tribune Republicans" (Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, John Lindsay). I had voted for Gore, but was as indifferent in 2000 as many Republicans are about McCain. Even if Obama wins, I won't be as melancholy as I was when I learned that Nelson had died. McCain's not ideal, like ... me, i guess. But he's my man in 2008.

re: #89 alegrias

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Mormons serve our country honorably, faithfully & well in all capacities, and there is STILL no religious test to be president of the USA.

That was one of the reasons for the First Amendment's Establishment clause. In England at the time, one had to be a member of the Church of England to attend university or be elected to Parliament. The government controlled the church hierarchy and vice versa--bishops sat in the House of Lords.

re: #86 hermeneutics

If you could manipulate world-historical events by choosing the presidential candidate -- but not the voter's will -- what "winner" would you have chosen?

I'm actually not familiar enough with the pool of potential national politicians to even begin to choose one. It could be that McCain's all we conceivably could have gotten. But that doesn't stop us from peering into the black bag and saying, "Is that all you got in there?"

re: #71 Charles

Obviously right.

And for what it's worth, I think he has a real point. I know that when McCain ended up the nominee, it certainly wasn't the happiest day of my life.

That's about how it happened, McCain ended up the nominee.

But at least it didn't end up being Huckabee.

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

"Hyperboling for Columnists?"

Bzzzzzt.

Deduct 3 pun points.

I don't disagree with Hitch's characterization of this year's GOP but I would rather vote for a sick dog than for Obama.

Why? Several Supreme Court justices are likely to be retiring in the next few years. What will an Obama-appointed court do the First and Second Amendments, among many other things? Americans will be living with the consequences of this election for the next 100 years at the very least.

I don't like this negative, "anybody but..." approach to electoral politics either, but that is the hand we have been dealt and future generations will either curse us or thank us for how we play it.

re: #99 zombie

I'm actually not familiar enough with the pool of potential national politicians to even begin to choose one. It could be that McCain's all we conceivably could have gotten. But that doesn't stop us from peering into the black bag and saying, "Is that all you got in there?"

Fair enough.

re: #89 alegrias

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Mormons serve our country honorably, faithfully & well in all capacities, and there is STILL no religious test to be president of the USA.

Absolutely true, but their is an unfortunate and undeserved bias against Mormons by enough people in the GOP (who also vote) to make a difference.

It is not fair, but it is also true.

Plus, the media went out of it's way to help that bias along.

re: #93 MandyManners

We may be onto something here. Start our own network morning show, on which we gaze blearily at the camera and slurp down coffee, while mumbling the news and yawning frequently. Watch as we sweep the Nielsens.

re: #97 chinesearithmetic

I voted for McCain, my first Republican vote, in New York, although the nomination was a done deal. One of my heroes in journalism was Lars-Erik Nelson of the New York Daily News, who died during the Florida recount in the shocking manner of Tim Russert. McCain had a friendly relationship with Nelson, who turned out to be among the last of the "Herald Tribune Republicans" (Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, John Lindsay). I had voted for Gore, but was as indifferent in 2000 as many Republicans are about McCain. Even if Obama wins, I won't be as melancholy as I was when I learned that Nelson had died. McCain's not ideal, like ... me, i guess. But he's my man in 2008.

Ahhhh, I loved Lars' writing too. And you're right -- he was the last of a long line of high-minded political reporters.

re: #100 Ringo the Gringo

Thank goodness for that. I do not know if I could have brought myself to vote for him. Of all the GOP candidates, in my opinion, he was the worst (rp not counted). To me he seemed a cross between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. ICK!

S

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I agree. I loved Giuliani but he was unelectable. Too many ex wives, mistresses and one of his best buddies is a pedophile priest (allegedly). He never would have made it.

Things are getting worse by the day and in what will cause historians to scratch their heads in disbelief, our fate is in an electoral process that may result in a guy with far Leftist views and absolutely no experience or real achievements becoming our leader at the most crucial time.

The process will doom us.

re: #83 Honorary Yooper

Actually, they did. You should read some of the slanders against John Adams from somes of the early newspapers regarding his presidency.

The dvd set about John Adams shows that quite nicely.

Unfortunately it it's the nadir campaign.

"Wright is a tin can attached to Obama's tail"

ROFLMAO

You do the best with what you have. What I know is Obama will be a disaster and he needs to be prevented from getting to the Oval office if at all possible. McCain is a decent man who cares for the country. He also realizes that we are in a fight with despicable vermin that can not and should not be appeased. Obama is none of that.

Fred Thompson was my favorite.

I received my Thompson '08 bumpersticker in the mail the day he dropped out of the race.

re: #111 Ojoe

"Wright is a tin can attached to Obama's tail"

ROFLMAO

Now watch as they accuse Hitchens of racism for "insinuating that Obama has a tail" or some such thing.

re: #63 lifeofthemind

The problems with Romney were
1) Hillary syndrome. He thought he could coast to victory.
2) His peers really dislike him for some reason, more than they did the nut-case Paul, and they communicated that to the audience more effectively than they made debating points against each other. It wasn't his religion. Hell in this year as a counterpoint to Islam Mormonism might have been a plus. The democrats were putting out red herring attacks on his faith because they were afraid of him. He was not my choice but I did see how he got derailed.

* * *
I blame lazy voters. Romney wants to WIN THE WAR, is an ex-governor, successful in private ventures, US Olympic event execution, & government, charismatic, hard-working, relatively young, media-savvy...

What, GOP wanted a "savior"? GOP voters blew it expecting to be pandered to individually, regionally, religiously, whatever. GOP voters didn't think strategically about who could win the long race against the eventual Dem candidate.

re: #111 Ojoe

"Wright is a tin can attached to Obama's tail"

ROFLMAO

Good one, huh?

OT: Hey, Ojoe -- I need a book recommendation from you on site selection for solar/passive solar building. I don't want to make a mistake. Any ideas?

Christopher Hitchens is the type of intellectual who really THINKS and uses his brain to the fullest. I like him although I have found myself disagreeing with him on some unimportant issues.

Absent the monkey wrenching from the Dems, one of them (Giuliani, Thompson, Hunter, etc) would have been our candidate.

You've got to be kidding me. The chief reason we ended up with the candidate that we have, is that is how Republicans voted.

re: #109 debutaunt

The dvd set about John Adams shows that quite nicely.

Yes, that's one thing they showed rather accurately.

Newspapers in the 18th Century were full of opinions and vile attacks on their opponents. It was really only in the 20th Century that they started to claim they were unbiased reporters of the news. The claim was, and still is, utter bullshit.

re: #117 winston06

Christopher Hitchens is the type of intellectual who really THINKS and uses his brain to the fullest. I like him although I have found myself disagreeing with him on some unimportant issues.

He's a legal immigrant!

re: #115 alegrias

Romney wants to WIN THE WAR, is an ex-governor, successful in private ventures, US Olympic event execution, & government, charismatic, hard-working, relatively young, media-savvy...

I, too, am still mystified as to why he didn't make it.

I don't care for Hitchens, he had nothing good to say about anyone. Its easy to stand at the edges and throw stones at politicians. You got to do the best you can with what you got. What he said added nothing useful to the discussion.

re: #116 hermeneutics

Hey, Ojoe

... where you goin' with that
gun in your hand?

Think I'll have a few scotch and sodas. Think Hitchens will join me?

re: #115 alegrias

Yes but for some reason McCain, Thompson, Huckabee, Giuliani etc made it clear that the one thing they all agreed on was they loathed Romney and wouldn't want him as a Vice President despite his qualifications.

re: #78 Killgore Trout
Well I'm afraid I have to agree with you as for the primaries, but stack up Rudy's "negatives" against Obama's negatives and what you find is that Rudy's negatives are all personal ones; Obama (throwing in Wright, Ayers, Dornhen [sp -Ayers wife] and all that they stand for), his "equvialence" or "ambilvalence" about Israel; his lack of any sort of experience in government or governing, his inexperience with economic matters and I'm not so sure that, on balance, Rudy's failings are worse than Obama's FOR AMERICA.Of course, at the time, everyone thought that Hillary would be the Dem nominee, but still.
Rudy - for all of his personal "failings" would make a far better POTUS than Obama, especially now with the economy sputtering the way it is.
Rudy is remember, properly so, for his leadership in cleaning up crime in NYC and his leadership after 9/11, but he also dug the City out of virtual bankruptcy as well.
DAMNIT, I STILL WANT RUDY! LOL!

When McCain does his Peter Lorre laugh, it really gives me the creeps.

re: #122 maddogg

Hitchens has the Don Rickles schtick down to a Tee, except he forgot to call them hockey pucks.

re: #69 zombie

I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but it's not especially out-of-line, nor surprising.

McCain is boring, and has practically no charisma.

I'll do everything in my power to get him elected, but I'm not going to fool myself that he's Mr. Thrilling.

So, yes, the GOP has somewhat blown it. Sure, Hitchens resorted to hyperbole, but that's a pundit's job.

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Dear Zombie,

Must disagree. McCain is very charismatic & interesting, as his FORMER sycophantic media followers used to say all the time, before Obama came along and swept them off McCain's Straight Talk bus.

Unlike Obama, McCain spends more time on national security, defense & foreign policy issues than on being a glossy celebrity totalitarians and haters can love.

McCain doesn't pander well, that is true. But he will tell Ahmedinejad and others who threaten us, where to go.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

I, too, am still mystified as to why he didn't make it.

The Republicans split their votes in too many directions and McCain slipped through the middle.

I hope McCain selects Romney for the VP slot.

Think of how the Democrats have to really feel in secret. McCain is boring, but nobody thinks he'll be a disaster. Obama will be a disaster if he wins. He'll be worse than Nancy Pelosie as Speaker of the House (ain't she been a dansy). Assuming that America survives, Obama will do more damage than Jimmy Carter, and some of that damage will be to the Democratic Party.

No matter what they are saying in public, the party elites have to be freaking out.

re: #128 Mich-again

Hitchens has the Don Rickles schtick down to a Tee, except he forgot to call them hockey pucks.

I didn't like Don Rickles either.

A little foretaste of the legal system in Obamanation:

Our Leaders Are Not War Criminals

Almost 60 House liberals, along with prominent lawyers, journalists, and retired officials and military officers, are lobbing an inflammatory charge--"war crimes"--toward a large number of the Bush administration's most senior current and former officials and lawyers. These critics accuse them of approving torture and other illegal interrogation methods.

We are likely to hear a growing clamor for appointment of a special prosecutor, presumably by the next administration. And human-rights activists are already suggesting that their friends abroad should snatch and
prosecute any former members of what they call the Bush "torture team" who dare visit Europe. (emphasis added)

SCOTUS and DoJ appointments alone are reason enough to vote McCain. It is not ideal but it is what we have.

re: #122 maddogg

I don't care for Hitchens, he had nothing good to say about anyone. Its easy to stand at the edges and throw stones at politicians. You got to do the best you can with what you got. What he said added nothing useful to the discussion.

He reminds me of the disgruntled employee that does nothing but bad mouth the company but never goes out looking for another job and always remembers to pick up his paycheck every Friday.

re: #133 maddogg

I didn't like Don Rickles either.

I have met Don Rickles, he is a good guy.

re: #131 Iron Fist

Think of how the Democrats have to really feel in secret. McCain is boring, but nobody thinks he'll be a disaster. Obama will be a disaster if he wins. He'll be worse than Nancy Pelosie as Speaker of the House (ain't she been a dansy). Assuming that America survives, Obama will do more damage than Jimmy Carter, and some of that damage will be to the Democratic Party.

No matter what they are saying in public, the party elites have to be freaking out.

Are you kidding? They're ecstatic, Iron. This is their big chance to make "change" that, tragically, may be lasting. Since their goals include the extension of the fed government into many areas of common life, having a malleable, impressionable Obama as president is their best dream come true.

If they are cynical, it is because they know Obama can be rolled. Easily. And they'll be pushing him the direction they want to go.

If you look at the wild enthusiasm that Obama generates in the Democrats, and the general indifference that McCain generates, you can pretty much tell how this election's going to go. Leave aside the red-state/blue-state questions; the country's fairly evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. If it comes down to a question of voter turnout, a rainy day in Ohio pretty much sews up that state for Obama.

I'm still dreading the first face-to-face debate, when America actually sees how old McCain is in comparison to Obama. I have this horrible feeling that the polls swing 5 points in Obama's favor at that point, and it won't have a thing to do with the positions of the candidates. That would stink.

bbl

re: #126 realwest

Yeah, I really wish Rudy had made better personal choices with his life. He may run again next time but I don't have any hope he will ever win.

One thing that McCain must run on is Supreme Court nominations. The worst and most lasting effect of an Obama Presidency would be that he may select as many as three Supreme Court Justices which could "change" our country in irreversible ways.

McCain needs to drive this point home.

re: #116 hermeneutics

Well the best site has good solar exposure, which means you can see the sun's track across the sky unobstructed during the winter months. I don't know any book only on this subject.

Mazria's book "The Passive Solar Energy Book" either the regular or the professional edition will cover the subject.

Pacific Gas and Electric has free software that will Analise the solar exposure of any site if you take a fish-eye photo of the sky there: here is the web reference for that:

Sunpath software

There is also a small commercially available camera that has the info built in to Analise solar exposure. I forget who makes it at the moment but the people at PG & E will know.

Good luck

I'll be back July 3, have to attend to some family business in LA

Christopher Hitchens is in love with him self this was mental mastrabation at it's finest.

OT:
The latest levee failures are being blamed on muskrats burrowing into them. Somehow, I don't feel comforted in that knowledge. In fact, I think the Army Corps is coming up with ever more outlandish excuses for its ongoing failures.

re: #20 rawmuse

Calling GOP candidates like Thomas, Romney and Guiliani "pathetic" and "Losers" is really not justified. They are all a far cry above and beyond any of the Dems. Absent the monkey wrenching from the Dems, one of them would have been our candidate.

Hitchens sucks.

Sorry. As men and politicians, Thomas, and Giuliani are great men. As candidates running for President they were beyond "losers" and "pathetic". Hitchens was being kind.

Romney, OTOH, ran a decent campaign, but the party's fundies had too much Mormon hate. Strike 2 for the GOP base.

OT: The stock market seems like a bottomless pit these days.

re: #131 Iron Fist
Yes, I have to think that the Dem party "leaders" were so hell bent on stopping Hillary that they knew not what they did by putting Obama in a position to become the next POTUS.
Of course, Obama pulled most of his support from the very far left wing of the Dem party and - as he now tries to move to a more centrist postion - more and more "regular" Dem's are becoming disenchanted with him; either because he isn't radical enough (though they thought he was) or because he just really is an empty suit.

frankly people should not build on flood plains. bottom land is rich for one reason it floods on a semi regular basis. man thinks he can do so much feh.

Obama has a lot of people I know in a state of hypnosis. If he wins he will be America's first cult-leader president.

re: #137 hermeneutics

Are you kidding? They're ecstatic, Iron. This is their big chance to make "change" that, tragically, may be lasting. Since their goals include the extension of the fed government into many areas of common life, having a malleable, impressionable Obama as president is their best dream come true.

If they are cynical, it is because they know Obama can be rolled. Easily. And they'll be pushing him the direction they want to go.

I like that last line...heh..they gonna roll him and pass him around like a joint at a dead concert...lol...ol obama he gonna be the political version of the neigberhood door knob...everybody gets a turm...and with the way obama ben talking lately he sounding more and more like a political whore.

re: #136 lifeofthemind

I have met Don Rickles, he is a good guy.

Maybe I should have said I didn't like his act, I don't know him personally.

re: #133 maddogg

I didn't like Don Rickles either.

I loved him in Kelly's Heros, but then everyone in that was great.

re: #151 Ringo the Gringo

Obama has a lot of people I know in a state of hypnosis. If he wins he will be America's first cult-leader president.

JFK was a cult-leader but it was after he was dead.

re: #151 Ringo the Gringo

Obama has a lot of people I know in a state of hypnosis. If he wins he will be America's first cult-leader president.

Not first. There once was this family from Massachusetts...

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Is Jenny Craig responsible for your massive weight loss?

re: #145 lawhawk

OT:
The latest levee failures are being blamed on muskrats burrowing into them. Somehow, I don't feel comforted in that knowledge. In fact, I think the Army Corps is coming up with ever more outlandish excuses for its ongoing failures.

When is muskrat season?

McCain is a disaster! He is just like Obama except on National Defense!
McCain or Obama the result will be more of the same ole march towards socialism.

No matter if it is a RINO or a DIMO candidate they are all the same....political animals! Both parties have no interest in what is best for the US, but only what is best for THEM!

As I have stated before, we have 21st century problems with 20th century government providing the solutions.

However, to be real gloomy, consider this: It does not matter which party is in power, because we are subservient to the Judiciary anyway.

There is no separation of powers doctrine anymore and we are and will continue to be controlled by the Judiciary!

Ah yes, ambulance chaser lawyer one day and respected jurist the next. No where but America. Was this a great country or what?

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go do some chores now.
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

re: #144 yochanan

Christopher Hitchens is in love with him self this was mental mastrabation at it's finest.

The spell checker has quite a sense of humor.

re: #129 alegrias

* * *
Dear Zombie,

Must disagree. McCain is very charismatic & interesting, as his FORMER sycophantic media followers used to say all the time, before Obama came along and swept them off McCain's Straight Talk bus.

Dear alegrias,

I must disagree with your history. The only reason the media followers were sycophantic for McCain, was because they saw him as the most easily beat-able GOP candidate.

Never mind that their own candidate is a lawyer who's married to a b!tch who's a lawyer, and their former candidate is a lawyer who's a b!tch, married to a lawyer. Thanks for the help, Rush.

It seems to me some folks think Chris Hitchens is a "liberal". I have the impression he is not. He is one of the few to support the War in Iraq and as a result, lost many friends (in the intelligentsia).

I agree with Zombie and Charles here...Chris is not saying anything that we haven't said here.

I was thinking that the GOP did not have a good comprehensive plan dealing with the immigration and border issue.

McCain voted for 'amnesty' for the illegals a while ago and that got the conservatives upset at him.

It seems to me that some in GOP don't mind illegal immigrants as they can get 'cheap' labor. And Democrats see potential for more voters in the future.

re: #157 lizard by the bay

Not first. There once was this family from Massachusetts...

We can even go back further. There was once this military hero from Tennessee...

re: #147 Killgore Trout

OT: The stock market seems like a bottomless pit these days.

That ain't OT anytime we're talking politics.

Good Afternoon

The Messiah and the Pantsuit just took the stage in Unity, NH.

re: #147 Killgore Trout

OT: The stock market seems like a bottomless pit these days.

It must be predicting a recession that has yet to happen.

It seems to me some folks think Chris Hitchens is a "liberal". I have the impression he is not. He is one of the few to support the War in Iraq and as a result, lost many friends (in the intelligentsia).

He's only a "liberal" to some because he is an atheist.

re: #160 1 US Sheeple

I had to ding you down because obviously you have not paid enough attention to the differences between Obama and McCain.

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

places like holland and bangledesh have to build were it can flood that is all the land that they have. America is a big country and some places we build on just don't make any sence, flood plains, fire pron brush land, low areas in huricane pron places like N.O. now when N.O. was founded it made sence to have a major city there as it was the only way to ship things inland now it doesn't.

re: #96 lawhawk

You're absolutely correct that there isn't a religious test, but that doesn't mean that people aren't prejudiced or biased or racist, etc. I do think some of that played a role in Mitt's failure to win the nomination.

* * *
You're right too. I'm just disappointed in time of world war, with our survival as a free people at stake, GOP voters didn't put country ahead of personal private preferences.

Surely candidates who put our country's founding principles before their private faith practices deserve support.

Whereas, Dems put their faith in "changing" & evolving us to marxism & utopianism before our Constitution!

re: #147 Killgore Trout

OT: The stock market seems like a bottomless pit these days.

I went all cash three weeks ago. Phew.

re: #146 lizard by the bay

Sorry. As men and politicians, Thomas, and Giuliani are great men. As candidates running for President they were beyond "losers" and "pathetic". Hitchens was being kind.

Romney, OTOH, ran a decent campaign, but the party's fundies had too much Mormon hate. Strike 2 for the GOP base.

Thompson?

re: #137 hermeneutics,

If they are, they are nuts. I'm not talking about what they say in public. In public, Hillary supports Obama, but there is no way she really wants him to win. If he's as big a disaster as it looks like he'll be, the Democrats will lose the White House for a generation. Her chances at it will be gone.

Even if he's successful, her chances will be gone. She can't want that. And many of her supporters don't want that. They will be pulling for McCain, even if they aren't public about it.

Of course the Kos Kidz are thrilled. They're not in touch with reality, though.

Maybe it's because I'm in the South, but I'm not seeing the enthusiasm for Obama. Once you get away from the San Francisco Democrats it appears, to me at least, to fade away. I find it hard to believe that Obama will win, but I could be wrong.

This bitter muse has had a daunting year what with his home town boy Ken Livingston out not too mention Galloway. His contribution to understanding this lesser of two lessers' election is minuscule.

re: #151 Ringo the Gringo

Obama has a lot of people I know in a state of hypnosis. If he wins he will be America's first cult-leader president.

And that is terrifying.

Hunter Thompson was running?

re: #147 Killgore Trout

OT: The stock market seems like a bottomless pit these days.

There is a general malaise in the country...

High cost of oil and fuel, higher costs in food, regional disasters (flood and fire), house market almost crashing, credit market almost crashing, automobile manufacturers losing sales... combine to make it difficult to see positives in the future.

Shrill endorsing Mean Jean Shaheen for Senate.

She got ousted after one term as NH gov for proposing income taxes.

re: #174 hermeneutics

I went all cash three weeks ago. Phew.

I'm holding cash, paying 2%, which is about half real inflation, sucks.

re: #162 debutaunt
you win PRIMF

re: #159 NJDhockeyfan

Muskrat Love?

re: #163 victor_yugo

Operation chaos.

re: #169 debutaunt

It must be predicting a recession that has yet to happen.

The recession is in full bloom at a gas station near you.

No headscarves spotted in the crowd in Unity.

re: #175 itellu3times

Yes, Thompson. I wasn't sure how I did that, until I realized that rawmuse did it first and I copied the error.

"Who's more the fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?" -Obi Wan

re: #179 Charles

Hunter Thompson was running?

New documentary movie about him, saw the principals yacking about it on Charlie Rose couple of nights ago.

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Why can primitive tribespeople figure out how to build houses on stilts and we can't?

Ever been to Houma Louisiana? (Hope I spelled it correctly.) The houses are built at least twenty feet ABOVE the ground on stilts. Just fascinating. Even manufactured homes are hoisted onto platforms and then surrounded by a girding of wood so they can't blow off during hurricanes.

Its possible, then, to build an entire city above the water/hurricane line. In America.

re: #190 Charles

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

Yes.

McCain will fire up the base if he picks Mitt for VP.

IMHO

re: #179 Charles

Hunter Thompson was running?

he ran on the " give me 200 hits of blotter acid, a salt shaker full of coke and 3 bottles of tequila or give me death, whichever..." platform.... well he kind of fell off the platform....

"The rage of the entitled" in referring to Hillary and Obama's wife is one of the most provocative and clever lines I've ever heard.

This man can, at times, be absolutely brilliant.

re: #190 Charles

I think Romney wanted it.

Don't rule out Fred Thompson as an influence at least. He's working on stuff for McCain right now, according to my Fred contact.

re: #179 Charles

Hunter Thompson was running?

Of course not, silly. He can be counted on to deliver at least two votes for Obama in November though.

re: #182 itellu3times

I'm holding cash, paying 2%, which is about half real inflation, sucks.

And the jihadis are trying to run the dollar into the ground, as well:
From MEMRI:
Mujahideen Monitor U.S. Economy, Attempt to Undermine Dollar

Kossack:

Israel and Fatah Subverting Gaza Truce with Hamas

A deal for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza strip came into effect last week. It is becoming apparent that the party most committed to its success is, surprisingly, Hamas.

re: #196 Ringo the Gringo

I think Romney wanted it.

Damn skippy straight he did. Were it not for Huckleberry Hound and McCain's unholy pact he would be the nominee.

re: #186 itellu3times

The recession is in full bloom at a gas station near you.

You darned perception people.

This "rally" is G.A.

re: #190 Charles

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

Nope. GWB may make the right choices, but leadership is more than that. Leaders inspire and, at the very least, defend themselves and their decisions. Bush rolled over and played nice doggie with the press from day one. And when they kicked him anyway, he just found a corner to hide in, and stayed there for 8 years.

re: #194 Spider Mensch

he ran on the " give me 200 hits of blotter acid, a salt shaker full of coke and 3 bottles of tequila or give me death, whichever..." platform.... well he kind of fell off the platform....

He had Bat Country locked on for votes.

I would love to sit down and talk about Israel with Hitchens. I've never understood how he can be so obtuse on the issue.

re: #193 loppyd

McCain will fire up the base if he picks Mitt for VP.

You mean, it will be like setting his pants on fire?

re: #195 docremulac

"The rage of the entitled" in referring to Hillary and Obama's wife is one of the most provocative and clever lines I've ever heard.

This man can, at times, be absolutely brilliant.

I love his way with words.

re: #53 Dan G.

Liberals believe in gun rights (they wrote the Constitution), leftists don't.

Ah! So good to see you here DanG!

See? Different terms can be used differently today.

You differentiated liberals from leftists...

If you read today's papers, the leftists are now as defined as 'liberals'...

re: #194 Spider Mensch

he ran on the " give me 200 hits of blotter acid, a salt shaker full of coke and 3 bottles of tequila or give me death, whichever..." platform.... well he kind of fell off the platform....

Hunter and Fred in '08 the What the hell better dead than taking it serious ticket.

One is dead but can still walk around and chase the girls the other is alive but acts like he doesn't care if he is. Guess which is which? Vote and confuse the enemy!

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, it should be "Hyperboling for Column Lines."

+5 pun points!

Now you're in the positives again.

Good save!

re: #190 Charles

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

Huckabee and Romney wanted it very much.

Thompson was willing to accept it but not work for it.

Giuliani acted as if he knew he stood no chance but was waiting for a miracle.

McCain was in it to not be a quitter and he received the miracle Giuliani was hoping for.

re: #193 loppyd

McCain will fire up the base if he picks Mitt for VP.

IMHO

Mitt would fit. McCain needs someone stronger than he is, well-informed on the Islamism danger and prepared to take them on and Mitt would fill that post well.

re: #194 Spider Mensch

he ran on the " give me 200 hits of blotter acid, a salt shaker full of coke and 3 bottles of tequila or give me death, whichever..." platform.... well he kind of fell off the platform....

You forgot the case of Budweiser, two bags of grass, pint of raw ether, and 65 pellets of mescaline.

re: #190 Charles

"can you blame them?"

I think so. They took the job with all it's perks (Republican Senator or whatever) and the job is to save us from the Bolshevik dhimmicrats. When it comes time to fight they lay down and give us a guy running on a platform of "We're just like the dhimmicrats so vote for us".

Disgraceful.

Ok color me paranoid.

McCain is the Republican nominee because it is his turn. (The previous poster was correct.) McCain called in IOUs all across the board. I watched has his ads and links to his web site appear everywhere. He had a ton of money and a lot of Republicans either not bad mouthing the guy or supporting him outright.

That was looking right. Now looking left...
My opinion with no proof: He is in Soros pocket and on his payroll.

I wonder what Hitchens has to say about George Soros? Probably nothing.

re: #207 itellu3times

You mean, it will be like setting his pants on fire?

LOL

I was thinking more along the lines of the reaction of the attendees at CPAC when he suspended.

And if the Democrats were dogs............well, actually they are dogs.
(no offense to actual dogs who are much smarter and probably COULD run the country)

re: #170 lizard by the bay

He's only a "liberal" to some because he is an atheist.

Oh?

I have known theists who are very liberal...and leftists...

Go figure!

re: #202 debutaunt

The recession is in full bloom at a gas station near you

You darned perception people.

?

Can't trust the government numbers worth spit, but I can do the math, and so can the market. I'm mystified by how the Dow did NOT crash until May 19, since then it's been straight down, and where it stops, nobody knows.

re: #190 Charles

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

I agree. Everyone jumped all over Fred Thompson for not entering earlier or campaigning harder, but in my opinion that only showed good judgment.

re: #214 lizard by the bay

You forgot the case of Budweiser, two bags of grass, pint of raw ether, and 65 pellets of mescaline.

And his attorney.

re: #190 Charles

I thought there was a strange malaise on the GOP side in this election, where nobody seemed to really want the job, not even McCain.

Can you blame 'em?

I continue to have the horrible feeling that I'm living in a chapter of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

re: #216 TheHardHat

Ok color me paranoid.

McCain is the Republican nominee because it is his turn. (The previous poster was correct.) McCain called in IOUs all across the board. I watched has his ads and links to his web site appear everywhere. He had a ton of money and a lot of Republicans either not bad mouthing the guy or supporting him outright.

That was looking right. Now looking left...
My opinion with no proof: He is in Soros pocket and on his payroll.

I wonder what Hitchens has to say about George Soros? Probably nothing.

It is not that farfetched,

There was a past history of McCain being supported by Soros...

I am going to take a look around..

re: #112 Boxy_brown

Just gotta say that I love your nic & avatar!

re: #220 itellu3times

?

Can't trust the government numbers worth spit, but I can do the math, and so can the market. I'm mystified by how the Dow did NOT crash until May 19, since then it's been straight down, and where it stops, nobody knows.

I was just referring to the reality of what defines a recession. It's been predicted for a long time.

re: #179 Charles

Hunter Thompson was running?

It was the fear and loathing that made him do it.

re: #223 The Other Les

I continue to have the horrible feeling that I'm living in a chapter of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

I prefer to think of it as pre Veterans Revolt as put forward by Heinlein in "Starship Troopers"

re: #204 lizard by the bay

Nope. GWB may make the right choices, but leadership is more than that. Leaders inspire and, at the very least, defend themselves and their decisions. Bush rolled over and played nice doggie with the press from day one. And when they kicked him anyway, he just found a corner to hide in, and stayed there for 8 years.

This is so true, Bay. I don't think Bush made all the right decisions -- who does? But he could have articulated a cogent defense for his decisions, right or wrong. And he didn't.

Obama has this one advantage, or at least partially. When on script, he's a darn good speaker. He'd defend his (WRONG) choices eloquently.

Conversely, McCain does not appear to have the verbal skills to defend his decisions. He seems to have the gumption and the gonads to fight ... but not the skills. McCain is better, though, in impromptu speech -- he answers reporter questions far better than Obama.

re: #222 infidelia

And his attorney.

I also forgot the two dozen Amyls. But really, who uses Amyls anymore?

The one thing about George Bush is that he really doesn't care what liberals or conservatives think about him. He doesn't base his beliefs or his actions on what the polls are saying or because someone criticized him about something.

Rush Limbaugh is talking about the NRA and how they're now filing lawsuits in wake of yesterday's SP decision. The NRA does NOT care what liberals think about them....and they're winning.

Hunter Thompson did run for sheriff of Aspen Colorado in 1970.

re: #213 infidelia

Mitt would fit. McCain needs someone stronger than he is, well-informed on the Islamism danger and prepared to take them on and Mitt would fill that post well.

And his business background and firm grasp on economics.

Remember he refused to provide state police escort when Mohammed Khatami came to speak at Harvard on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks?

re: #160 1 US Sheeple

McCain is a disaster! He is just like Obama except on National Defense!
McCain or Obama the result will be more of the same ole march towards socialism.

No matter if it is a RINO or a DIMO candidate they are all the same....political animals! Both parties have no interest in what is best for the US, but only what is best for THEM!

As I have stated before, we have 21st century problems with 20th century government providing the solutions.

However, to be real gloomy, consider this: It does not matter which party is in power, because we are subservient to the Judiciary anyway.

There is no separation of powers doctrine anymore and we are and will continue to be controlled by the Judiciary!

Ah yes, ambulance chaser lawyer one day and respected jurist the next. No where but America. Was this a great country or what?

* * *
Love it or leave it. GAZE

re: #209 Psaturn

Ah! So good to see you here DanG!

See? Different terms can be used differently today.

You differentiated liberals from leftists...

If you read today's papers, the leftists are now as defined as 'liberals'...

Wait I thought they were now 'progressives'....

re: #216 TheHardHat

Ok color me paranoid.

McCain is the Republican nominee because it is his turn. (The previous poster was correct.) McCain called in IOUs all across the board. I watched has his ads and links to his web site appear everywhere. He had a ton of money and a lot of Republicans either not bad mouthing the guy or supporting him outright.

That was looking right. Now looking left...
My opinion with no proof: He is in Soros pocket and on his payroll.

I wonder what Hitchens has to say about George Soros? Probably nothing.

WALOC. You're full of it.

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I prefer to think of it as pre Veterans Revolt as put forward by Heinlein in "Starship Troopers"

Thank you for being an optimist.

:)

re: #216 TheHardHat

I remembered right, McCain was supported by Soros when he passed the McCain-Feingold bill...which was supported by Soros.

[Link: www.theconservativevoice.com...]

re: #216 TheHardHat

Do you even know what Soros stands for?

re: #219 Psaturn

Oh?

I have known theists who are very liberal...and leftists...

Go figure!

There are always outliers, but for the most part, an increase in religious saliency is directly proportional to an increase in Republican ID/conservatism.

Interestingly, it doens't matter which religion is salient or which "brand" of religion: Salient religionists (except Islam) vote R -- lapsed vote D.

THere is also a direct correlation between secularism and Democratic ID.

re: #237 The Other Les

Thank you for being an optimist.

:)

Although it would be nice to have a Ragnar working in the background.

re: #238 Psaturn

I remembered right, McCain was supported by Soros when he passed the McCain-Feingold bill...which was supported by Soros.

[Link: www.theconservativevoice.com...]

One bill does not put Sen. McCain in Soros' pocket.

re: #235 coquimbojoe

Wait I thought they were now 'progressives'....

Oh you are right...'Progressives'

re: #236 MandyManners

Um, what does WALOC mean?

I'm outta' here before I rip some new assholes. bbl

OT:
Anyone catch the latest Drudge headline/photo on the price of oil. I thought something was odd about the photo, and it looks like my hunch was right.

re: #239 MandyManners

Do you even know what Soros stands for?

Slimy
Octogenarian
Repugnant
Orchestrating
Shit?

It all goes to show how we revere the First Amendment in this country. Even a total blathering idiot can express his opinion. Indeed political speech is one of the most protected forms of speech under our Constitution.

However, there is no reason why I should agree with him or defend his position and many reasons why I should not.

Hill is giving what sounds like a second concession speech.

re: #244 goddessoftheclassroom

Um, what does WALOC mean?

I saw your post as I was logging out.

It means WhatALoadOfCrap.

Bye!

re: #243 Psaturn

Oh you are right...'Progressives'

My eraser is getting a workout.

Really gtg now.

"Anyone who thinks this is all over is kidding themselves"
And when it is all over, it won't be good.

re: #180 Psaturn

There is a general malaise in the country...

High cost of oil and fuel, higher costs in food, regional disasters (flood and fire), house market almost crashing, credit market almost crashing, automobile manufacturers losing sales... combine to make it difficult to see positives in the future.

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Please don't buy the ugly Carter malaise picture.

Many of us have NO mortgage or credit or weather or fuel problems.

And millions of foreigners still try to break into our country BECAUSE it's better than their countries, in all respects.

re: #246 lawhawk

OT:
Anyone catch the latest Drudge headline/photo on the price of oil. I thought something was odd about the photo, and it looks like my hunch was right.

What an ass.

re: #246 lawhawk

OT:
Anyone catch the latest Drudge headline/photo on the price of oil. I thought something was odd about the photo, and it looks like my hunch was right.

He is totally in the tank.

Rush mentioned his entire sight is all doom and gloom and "forecasts" of what could happen.

re: #246 lawhawk

Nice catch.

re: #136 lifeofthemind

I have met Don Rickles, he is a good guy.

Hey last week there was a group of us over at a friends home and he played an old VCR tape with don rickles roasting Dean Martin.
It was side splitting and we kept going ' you could never say that stuff today..they'd hang you'

re: #241 debutaunt

Although it would be nice to have a Ragnar working in the background.

Interesting thought. But he doesn't really know how to do a proper forced entry into a secure building. A trainee grunt from the Benning School for Boys would wasted him the moment he did his cinematic entrance.

re: #223 The Other Les

I continue to have the horrible feeling that I'm living in a chapter of ATLAS SHRUGGED.

re: #230 lizard by the bay

I also forgot the two dozen Amyls. But really, who uses Amyls anymore?

And the Shark.

re: #187 loppyd

No headscarves spotted in the crowd in Unity.

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That's discriminatory!

re: #259 The Other Les

Interesting thought. But he doesn't really know how to do a proper forced entry into a secure building. A trainee grunt from the Benning School for Boys would wasted him the moment he did his cinematic entrance.

One company of MI (Heinlein's original version, not the jokes from the movie) are all I'm asking for.

re: #261 alegrias

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That's discriminatory!

This rally is LAME.

The crowd is lackluster at best.

re: #261 alegrias

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That's discriminatory!

That's keeping the head down.

A koskid has posted a wife-beating McCain thread...

So... When DID McCain Stop Beating His Wife

Seriously.

We're all aware of this recent "joke" by McCain, being pressed about distancing himself from Nevada's scandal-ridden GOP Governor:

Said McCain, chuckling, "And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago."

We all know its a (poor) joke. But let's look at the facts. In extended...

...

Senator McCain, are you just verbally and emotionally abusive to your wives or are you also physically abusive?

Poll

When did McCain stop beating his wife?
He may be an ass, but he's not an abuser
33% 5 votes
I'd be surprised if he wasn't physically abusive at least once
53% 8 votes
We'd be shocked to learn the truth-- he's a serial abuser
13% 2 votes

re: #174 hermeneutics

I moved ours out too. I just can't trust the stupid people in this country not to elect Obama. I think the market will crash on November 5th if Obama wins. Why wouldn't it? He has promised to punish corporations (gotta appease the left you know) and tax the living crap out of everyone and everything that is productive and give it to those who refuse to be.

I know it is a stretch, but anyone remember the Star Trek episode with the elite living in the clouds and the workers living in abject poverty? Our future if we aren't careful.

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One company of MI (Heinlein's original version, not the jokes from the movie) are all I'm asking for.

Yes. That would work.

re: #190 Charles

No, considering how the press/msm has treated George Bush, would you want the job?