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Creationist Bill Signed by Jindal

Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:08:53 pm PDT

Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal has signed a stealth creationist bill into law, and American educational standards take a huge step backward: Science law could set tone for Jindal.

The creationist front group called the Discovery Institute is quietly crowing, and maintaining the fiction that the bill is not religiously-based.

At the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank that promotes intelligent design and backed the new education act, senior fellow John West said he and his colleagues did not directly lobby Jindal. The group did notify its supporters that groups such as the ACLU and the science organizations were pushing for a veto.

West said critics misunderstand the bill, which he said is not about creationism or intelligent design. Rather, he said, it’s about clarifying that teachers are free to expose their students to the debates that Darwinian scientists have among themselves.

Instead, too many public school students get a “watered-down” discussion of evolutionary theory or nothing at all from teachers, and administrators are too concerned with not angering parents.

“This bill is not a license to propagandize against something they don’t like in science,” West said. “Someone who uses materials to inject religion into the classroom is not only violating the Constitution, they are violating the bill.”

For some reason, though, religious advocacy groups seemed to receive a very different message.

The bill enjoyed support from the Louisiana Family Forum, a group that is upfront in its push for more religious expressions in the public sphere.

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1 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:09:27 pm reply quote 2

No VP slot for you.

2 debutaunt  6/27/08 12:10:15 pm reply quote 0

We know what could go wrong.

3 pegcity  6/27/08 12:11:25 pm reply quote 1

i thought America was done with this nonsense

4 Salem  6/27/08 12:11:56 pm reply quote -1

POS

5 The Shadow Do  6/27/08 12:12:03 pm reply quote 3

Republican. The stupid party.

6 Salamantis  6/27/08 12:12:15 pm reply quote 1

When the camel's nose gets into the tent, usually the rest of the camel follows.

7 HelloDare  6/27/08 12:12:22 pm reply quote 2

This is depressing.

8 zombie  6/27/08 12:12:49 pm reply quote 10

I don't know much about Bobby Jindal -- only read VP speculation here -- but it seems to me he just squandered whatever national political capital he might have had.

Oh well.

Next.

9 Killgore Trout  6/27/08 12:13:27 pm reply quote 6

He's going to double the salary of the legislature and incur needless legal fees for the inevitable lawsuit on the creationist bill. He's a dud.

10 bj1126  6/27/08 12:13:33 pm reply quote -6

I don't see what the big deal is. /shrug

Lots worse problems with our education system than potentially teaching ID.

11 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:14:46 pm reply quote 2

re: #10 bj1126

I don't see what the big deal is. /shrug

Lots worse problems with our education system than potentially teaching ID.

Does that mean it's okay to make it worse?

12 zombie  6/27/08 12:14:52 pm reply quote 4

If Louisiana wants to continue their downward spiral into third-world status, than I guess that's their choice.

13 Salamantis  6/27/08 12:15:52 pm reply quote 3

Yeah, right, shure; since we have other educational problems in our schools, why should we be concerned about bastardizing our science education with religious dogma?

14 NJDhockeyfan  6/27/08 12:16:03 pm reply quote 3

Yesterday he signed the “The Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill."

15 zombie  6/27/08 12:16:10 pm reply quote 9

re: #10 bj1126

I don't see what the big deal is. /shrug

Lots worse problems with our education system than potentially teaching ID.

No, actually, I'd place it in the top three problems.

ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

16 Pigtown Water Dog  6/27/08 12:17:10 pm reply quote 0

Oh, phooey.

Sooooo close, yet sooooo far away.

17 CyanSnowHawk  6/27/08 12:17:21 pm reply quote 3

re: #3 pegcity

i thought America was done with this nonsense

Not sure where you've been lately, but this is far from over. As long as large groups of people believe in their religious explanations for how the world works, they will try to get them taught in our government run schools. It's expected and will have to be fought forever.

18 scottishbuzzsaw  6/27/08 12:17:49 pm reply quote 2

'Squandered' is the perfect word. There seems to be an epidemic of it on the right.

19 redc1c4  6/27/08 12:18:06 pm reply quote 2

re: #8 zombie

I don't know much about Bobby Jindal -- only read VP speculation here -- but it seems to me he just squandered whatever national political capital he might have had.

Oh well.

Next.

he's certainly off my list. as they say down in Nawlins "It's not the heat, it's the stupidity."

what a twit.

20 Boondock St. Bender  6/27/08 12:18:30 pm reply quote 1

Well,...it is the south and louisiana....
(ducks and runs)

21 Picayune  6/27/08 12:18:31 pm reply quote -1

Charles: sent you a Times Picayune article on this topic a few minutes ago. Did you receive, cause I received a mail return error from Cox.net? If no, I will resend.

22 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:18:50 pm reply quote 8

re: #10 bj1126

I don't see what the big deal is. /shrug

Lots worse problems with our education system than potentially teaching ID.

Do you want the Islamic creation myth taught?

23 SusanL  6/27/08 12:18:51 pm reply quote 0

So much for Bobby Jindal. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

24 HelloDare  6/27/08 12:19:04 pm reply quote 1

Jindal was so good on every other issue. And he's a good speaker. Damn. Hope Sarah Palin doesn't have any skeletons in her walk-in closet.

25 redc1c4  6/27/08 12:19:21 pm reply quote 0

re: #12 zombie

If Louisiana wants to continue their downward spiral into third-world status, than I guess that's their choice.

i thought they were pretty much there already. this is just icing on the cake.

26 coquimbojoe  6/27/08 12:20:18 pm reply quote 8

re: #8 zombie

I don't know much about Bobby Jindal -- only read VP speculation here -- but it seems to me he just squandered whatever national political capital he might have had.

Oh well.

Next.

I agree I am very disappointed. The problem with teaching creationism in schools is the same on as teaching values when dealing with sex education. I say stick to the science. Is evolutionary science perfect? No, but the fossils are there in front of us, we need to interpret them the best we can, and just because scientific understanding changes, the attempt to teach to the best level we can isn't invalidated. The problem with the creation (I AM A BELIEVER) is it is based on faith and intangibles. I don't want others of another faith teaching their dogmas to my children, nor do they want me teaching mine to theirs.

Stick with the science, the rest we can figure out in Sunday School.

27 Salamantis  6/27/08 12:20:32 pm reply quote 0

I see Bobby Jindal becoming Huey Long before my eyes. How sad.

28 coquimbojoe  6/27/08 12:20:34 pm reply quote 0

re: #12 zombie

If Louisiana wants to continue their downward spiral into third-world status, than I guess that's their choice.

You mean they can sink further?

29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  6/27/08 12:20:43 pm reply quote 7

"will allow local school boards to approve supplemental materials for public school science classes as they discuss evolution, cloning and global warming."

How about they spend a little more time on reading, writing, and basic thinking skills and less on indoctrination and activism?

30 zombie  6/27/08 12:20:49 pm reply quote 30

To me, the top three educational problems in this country are:

1. Marxist indoctrination of students by leftist teachers, textbook companies, unions and pressure groups.

2. Affirmative action (and just as importantly, stealth affirmative action) watering down the overall standards for college admission, and giving an official imprimatur to institutionalized racist policies.

3. Political influence on scientific education, whether it be the man-made-global-warming fad or the "intelligent design" hoax.

31 Charles  6/27/08 12:21:11 pm reply quote 1

re: #21 Picayune

Charles: sent you a Times Picayune article on this topic a few minutes ago. Did you receive, cause I received a mail return error from Cox.net? If no, I will resend.

I think it's the same article -- I just checked the site to see what the status of the bill was. This got almost no national coverage.

32 kojirovance  6/27/08 12:21:19 pm reply quote 7

re: #15 zombie
ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

That door is already open. Look at any school science textbook and see what they have to say about anthropogenic global warming.

33 lawhawk  6/27/08 12:21:21 pm reply quote 2

And this will surely solve Louisiana's problems that have it ranking near the bottom of various education surveys. Seriously, how exactly does watering down science with this stuff help anyone?

The luster is clearly off Jindal, especially in light of the pay raise mess, which continues to see recall petitions filed.

This is also a self-inflicted mess, and he gets what he deserves in scorn and derision.

34 Killgore Trout  6/27/08 12:21:29 pm reply quote 5

From the Disco Institute....
Victory in Louisiana: Governor Jindal Signs Historic Science Education Act On Evolution and Education

The law is needed for two reasons. First, around the country, science teachers are being harassed, intimidated, and sometimes fired for trying to present scientific evidence critical of Darwinian theory along with the evidence that supports it. Second, many school administrators and teachers are fearful or confused about what is legally allowed when teaching about controversial scientific issues like evolution.
35 MJ  6/27/08 12:22:19 pm reply quote 1

Jindal is living proof that there is no intelligence in Intelligent Design.
He's what Mencken called a "yahoo".

36 Boondock St. Bender  6/27/08 12:22:34 pm reply quote 0

The govt. corruption in la.is already a national embarressment.(it makes me shake my head,and i'm from dirty jersey)why not their education system.

37 HelloDare  6/27/08 12:22:43 pm reply quote 0

Jindal's head is below water. Quick, check the levees.

38 sadhu  6/27/08 12:22:45 pm reply quote 4

re: #30 zombie

To me, the top three educational problems in this country are:

1. Marxist indoctrination of students by leftist teachers, textbook companies, unions and pressure groups.

2. Affirmative action (and just as importantly, stealth affirmative action) watering down the overall standards for college admission, and giving an official imprimatur to institutionalized racist policies.

3. Political influence on scientific education, whether it be the man-made-global-warming fad or the "intelligent design" hoax.


4. Parental involvement. #1 in my book.

39 karmic_inquisitor  6/27/08 12:23:05 pm reply quote 0

Idiocy.

I have long advocated the return of Louisiana to the French or Spanish (just the state - not the states that make up the rest of the purchase) since the state is basically a welfare case, with federal money pouring in (even before Katrina) with said money disappearing followed by an appeal for more so that "the problems can be fixed".

At this point, they would not take them.

40 Catttt  6/27/08 12:23:07 pm reply quote 1

Based on my reading about the law, this is not a "creationist bill."

... the law that will allow local school boards to approve supplemental materials for public school science classes as they discuss evolution, cloning and global warming.

41 zombie  6/27/08 12:23:35 pm reply quote 1

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"will allow local school boards to approve supplemental materials for public school science classes as they discuss evolution, cloning and global warming."

How about they spend a little more time on reading, writing, and basic thinking skills and less on indoctrination and activism?

BINGO!

42 coquimbojoe  6/27/08 12:23:46 pm reply quote 6

re: #34 Killgore Trout

From the Disco Institute....
Victory in Louisiana: Governor Jindal Signs Historic Science Education Act On Evolution and Education

I think theory critical of Darwinian evolution is probably fine. Teaching things that can only be 'proven' by one's spiritual experience is another thing entirely.

43 snowcrash  6/27/08 12:25:44 pm reply quote 1

I think he is positioning himself as a VERY conservative Republican, who will be guaranteed the GOP nomination if we survive 8 years of a liberal Obama nightmare. Just my pet theory.

44 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:26:22 pm reply quote 3

re: #42 coquimbojoe

I think theory critical of Darwinian evolution is probably fine. Teaching things that can only be 'proven' by one's spiritual experience is another thing entirely.

Bingo. One can debate the merits and deficiencies in evolution theory without bringing the supernatural into the equation.

45 zombie  6/27/08 12:26:38 pm reply quote 10

re: #32 kojirovance

ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

That door is already open. Look at any school science textbook and see what they have to say about anthropogenic global warming.

I agree. But two wrongs don't make a right.

We need to get rid of ALL political hoaxery disguised as science. If we just end up with two opposing sides each jousting to foist their particular lie on our kids, then it's a lose-lose situation.

I fight against leftist influence on schools just as much I do against creationism in the schools.

46 Dianna  6/27/08 12:26:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It's looking that way, yes.

47 zombie  6/27/08 12:27:50 pm reply quote 1

re: #38 sadhu

4. Parental involvement. #1 in my book.

Or lack thereof, I assume you mean.

48 FloatingRock  6/27/08 12:27:51 pm reply quote -14

If Jindal is McCain's VP pick I'm voting for Obama.

49 Iron Fist  6/27/08 12:28:29 pm reply quote 4

re: #48 FloatingRock,

If you are serious, then you, sir, are a moron.

50 Beobachter  6/27/08 12:28:39 pm reply quote 2

re: #15 zombie

No, actually, I'd place it in the top three problems.

ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

I would call it a slippery slope.

51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  6/27/08 12:29:08 pm reply quote -1

re: #48 FloatingRock

If Jindal is McCain's VP pick I'm voting for Obama.

Well, you're an idiot.

52 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:29:18 pm reply quote 2

re: #48 FloatingRock

If Jindal is McCain's VP pick I'm voting for Obama.

I'll still vote McCain. I'll just hope extra-hard that he doesn't croak in office.

53 zombie  6/27/08 12:29:23 pm reply quote 2
#40 Catttt
Based on my reading about the law, this is not a "creationist bill."

... the law that will allow local school boards to approve supplemental materials for public school science classes as they discuss evolution, cloning and global warming.

See? as I suspected, it opens the door to ALL political-scientific hoaxery.

A complete disaster.

Thanks for pointing that out.

54 jaunte  6/27/08 12:29:25 pm reply quote 0

re: #48 FloatingRock

"Don't vote idiotic."

55 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:29:31 pm reply quote 0

re: #49 Iron Fist

,

If you are serious, then you, sir, are a fucking moron.

56 loppyd  6/27/08 12:29:44 pm reply quote -1

re: #48 FloatingRock

If Jindal is McCain's VP pick I'm voting for Obama.

Good luck with that.

57 Shug  6/27/08 12:29:45 pm reply quote 0
a Seattle-based think tank

Not nearly enough thinking going on

58 Iron Fist  6/27/08 12:30:16 pm reply quote -2

re: #55 MandyManners,

Fixed :-)

59 MJ  6/27/08 12:30:21 pm reply quote -1

Jindal also wants to chemically castrate rapists.

Who knows, perhaps he'll want to cut of the hands of thieves next.

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

60 Dianna  6/27/08 12:30:39 pm reply quote 7

re: #30 zombie

A friend of mine told me yesterday that her niece came home from class and told my friend and her sister that they shouldn't have children, but adopt from other countries.

That's outrageous.

61 Salamantis  6/27/08 12:30:50 pm reply quote 3

re: #42 coquimbojoe

I think theory critical of Darwinian evolution is probably fine. Teaching things that can only be 'proven' by one's spiritual experience is another thing entirely.

There is no credible science that reasonably criticizes evolutionary theory; there are only internecine disputes about which particular evolutionary mechanisms accomplish it, and by which particular means - and these differences are tertiary, not fundamental.

62 lawhawk  6/27/08 12:31:05 pm reply quote 5

Folks, here's a copy of the law in question. Also posted to the spinoffs.

63 Catttt  6/27/08 12:31:08 pm reply quote 4

Too bad biology isn't more like chemistry. If you mix subjectivity into chemistry, it can blow up in your face.

64 karmic_inquisitor  6/27/08 12:31:37 pm reply quote 3

I really do think it is time to start a movement within political ranks to form a "Rationalist Coalition" that actually advocates policy based on a demonstrated, reasoned understanding of what problem is supposedly being "solved" with a piece of legislation.

First 3 targets -

(1) Intelligent design.

(2) Climate research funding that can't produce predictive outcomes, and back tested outcomes that conform to prior (and unadjusted) climate and geological records.

(3) Sarbanes Oxley (which has killed the competitiveness of public companies in this country that gross less than $100M a year). As a friend of mine who argues cases before the SEC said "bad facts lead to bad laws")

/feel free to add more.

65 hermeneutics  6/27/08 12:31:41 pm reply quote 0

OT -- I gotta run and thought you'd enjoy reading this. Sorry for not waiting until 100:

19 out of the top 50 newspapers are in the red. By my calculations, 17 of them are liberal-left. So how many of these propagandists will be around to fluff up Obama in November?

[Link: www.thestandard.com...]

66 dgax65  6/27/08 12:31:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #15 zombie

ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

Heretofore impartial science instruction? Does that include global warming indoctrination? Junk science has been pushed on school children for quite a while now. I don't agree with ID, but I doubt it will cost us as much as all the global warming hysteria-driven legislation that is out there.

67 Iron Fist  6/27/08 12:32:12 pm reply quote 2

re: #59 MJ,

Actually, he'd prefer to kill rapists, but the Supreme Court told him he can't. Who are you, the National Rapist's Association? It seems like a pretty reasonable solution to me.

68 Ben Hur  6/27/08 12:32:18 pm reply quote 0

Ray Nagin for VP!

69 Taqiyyotomist  6/27/08 12:32:25 pm reply quote -2

#0

GAZE

-Taq

70 zombie  6/27/08 12:32:48 pm reply quote 8

re: #48 FloatingRock

If Jindal is McCain's VP pick I'm voting for Obama.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not go nuts.

The federal government does not set science curriculum standards. That is exclusively a state-level decision. So Jindal's position on this would be irrelevant, as VP.

I wouldn't be happy if he got the nomination, but I'm quite certain he's a damn sight better than Obama, fer cryin' out loud. Every leftist propaganda lie in the playbook would be shoved down our kids' throats if Obama got elected.

71 buzzsawmonkey  6/27/08 12:32:55 pm reply quote 4

re: #60 Dianna

A friend of mine told me yesterday that her niece came home from class and told my friend and her sister that they shouldn't have children, but adopt from other countries.

That's outrageous.

I bet the next thing they'll tell the kids is that, having adopted someone from another country, it is the adoptive parents' task to raise the child in full awareness of its own proud ethnic heritage/tradition, rather than the parents' own.

72 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:32:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #60 Dianna

A friend of mine told me yesterday that her niece came home from class and told my friend and her sister that they shouldn't have children, but adopt from other countries.

That's outrageous.

Viva "The Screwfly Solution"... this pretty much proves that our current public education establishment has been infiltrated by space aliens.

73 lawhawk  6/27/08 12:33:38 pm reply quote 0

Also from the legislative history of SB 733:

It passed both the house and senate nearly unanimously:
The House passed the final version 94-3. The Senate passed this bill 35-0.

74 Step on a Bug  6/27/08 12:33:45 pm reply quote -15

Jees. Big Deal. what's wrong with ID Charles? Lighen up.

75 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:34:07 pm reply quote 1

re: #63 Catttt

Too bad biology isn't more like chemistry. If you mix subjectivity into chemistry, it can blow up in your face.

Exothermic reactions are a social construct!

76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  6/27/08 12:34:18 pm reply quote 0

re: #70 zombie

Guy had 85 posts while being registered for over a year. Drive by trolling.

77 JohnnyReb  6/27/08 12:34:52 pm reply quote 5

Moonbats to the left of me and moonbats to the right of me. How do I get away?

Leave religion out of public schools!

78 snowcrash  6/27/08 12:35:00 pm reply quote 0

re: #74 Step on a Bug
Did you lurk much before posting here?

79 zombie  6/27/08 12:35:15 pm reply quote 3

re: #60 Dianna

A friend of mine told me yesterday that her niece came home from class and told my friend and her sister that they shouldn't have children, but adopt from other countries.

That's outrageous.

That's beyond outrageous -- it's completely insane!

Tell your friend to follow up on the situation -- find out which teach taught them that, and pursue her.

80 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:35:42 pm reply quote 2

re: #64 karmic_inquisitor

/feel free to add more.

McCain-Feingold.

81 Dianna  6/27/08 12:36:13 pm reply quote 0

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Yep. I'm really outraged; the school has no business propagandizing 9 year olds this way.

I miss Tiptree/Sheldon.

82 Shug  6/27/08 12:36:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #74 Step on a Bug

Jees. Big Deal. what's wrong with ID Charles? Lighen up.


2 posts in 3 months.

curious

83 Beobachter  6/27/08 12:36:36 pm reply quote 0

re: #60 Dianna

A friend of mine told me yesterday that her niece came home from class and told my friend and her sister that they shouldn't have children, but adopt from other countries.

That's outrageous.

We need school vouchers. Paying school taxes plus private school is not cheap.

84 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:36:49 pm reply quote 6

re: #74 Step on a Bug

Jees. Big Deal. what's wrong with ID Charles? Lighen up.

Do you want the Muslim creation myth taught to kids?

85 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:36:52 pm reply quote 3

If Jindal is Obama's VP pick, I'm voting for McCain.

/what?

86 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:37:08 pm reply quote -3

re: #59 MJ

Jindal also wants to chemically castrate rapists.

Who knows, perhaps he'll want to cut of the hands of thieves next.

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Intemperate un-PC thought coming...

When will he legalize immolation as a legal form of divorce?

Okay, I'm done.

87 Sharmuta  6/27/08 12:37:19 pm reply quote 1
In signing the bill, Jindal issued a brief statement that read in part: "I will continue to consistently support the ability of school boards and BESE to make the best decisions to ensure a quality education for our children."

Governor- you did just the opposite.

88 dgax65  6/27/08 12:37:26 pm reply quote 1

So Bobby Jindal gets tossed under the GOP bus for one misstep? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He is still early in his political career and, so far, he has much more conservative credibility than most members of the GOP.

89 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:37:36 pm reply quote 0

re: #81 Dianna

I miss Tiptree/Sheldon.

But probably not enough to name your daughter "Raccoona"!

90 Ben Hur  6/27/08 12:37:40 pm reply quote 5

re: #79 zombie

That's beyond outrageous -- it's completely insane!

Tell your friend to follow up on the situation -- find out which teach taught them that, and pursue her.


Of course they left will be oblivious to the innate paternal racism of their stance.

They assume that the peoples of the third world aren't capable of raising their own children, with or without the whole village.

The third world is now a puppy shop for celebs.

Madonna "adopted" a child whose parents are alive and well.

91 Catttt  6/27/08 12:37:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #62 lawhawk

Folks, here's a copy of the law in question. Also posted to the spinoffs.

Excellent. Thank you for that.

92 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:38:17 pm reply quote 3

re: #84 MandyManners

Do you want the Muslim creation myth taught to kids?

I assume it begins with a Big Bang.

93 debutaunt  6/27/08 12:38:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I bet the next thing they'll tell the kids is that, having adopted someone from another country, it is the adoptive parents' task to raise the child in full awareness of its own proud ethnic heritage/tradition, rather than the parents' own.

Rosie must have some problem with our melting pot.

94 Dianna  6/27/08 12:38:52 pm reply quote 0

re: #79 zombie

Her sister - the child's mother - won't do any such thing. Fortunately, my friend told her niece that it's a good thing that no one told her mom that, or the child wouldn't exist. My friend further told her niece that she should have as many children as she wants.

95 Catttt  6/27/08 12:39:17 pm reply quote 0

re: #75 Occasional Reader

Exothermic reactions are a social construct!

My daddy was a chemistry teacher (and football coach). He loved chemistry (and football).

96 buzzsawmonkey  6/27/08 12:39:37 pm reply quote 8

re: #90 Ben Hur

It takes a village to sell a child.

97 zombie  6/27/08 12:39:38 pm reply quote 3

re: #66 dgax65

ID opens the door to political influence of heretofore impartial science instruction. It' s very dangerous road.

Heretofore impartial science instruction? Does that include global warming indoctrination? Junk science has been pushed on school children for quite a while now. I don't agree with ID, but I doubt it will cost us as much as all the global warming hysteria-driven legislation that is out there.

Like I said, both hoaxes are bad. Two wrings don't make a right.

The global warming thing is actually a passing fad that will be forgotten in 5 years. The creationist movement, however, has been around since the very week after Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, and shows no sign of letting up.
Because of this, I worry a bit more about ID than I do global warming.

98 wolfie  6/27/08 12:39:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #92 Occasional Reader

I assume it begins with a Big Bang.

I believe they called it the Big Bomb, though.

99 schultzw  6/27/08 12:40:04 pm reply quote -15

I don't see the big deal about teaching ID. It doesn't promote any one religion, and it seeks to explain a lot of what science can't. Can we at LGF get off of talking about ID vs. Evolution and focus on what really matters: keeping America safe from moonbats and terrorists!

100 Dianna  6/27/08 12:40:16 pm reply quote 0

re: #89 Occasional Reader

No. I'm not cruel!

It's bad enough that my mom saddled me with two 'n's.

101 Richard Romano  6/27/08 12:40:20 pm reply quote -18

The LGF headline is hysterical -- I'm disappointed in Charles, a man I respect deeply for the way he handles the important issues we face.

Tell me ONE medical discovery linked to evolution -- just one. I can tell you many medical discoveries linked to scientific experimentation and observation (operational science), and nothing at all to do with origins science (evolution or creation). You could be a snake handler or astrologer and still come up with a medical breakthrough.

The vote for support was 93-4, so it's not as if it was a "stealth" move by quasi-scientists.

102 Occasional Reader  6/27/08 12:40:29 pm reply quote 0

re: #90 Ben Hur

The third world is now a puppy shop for celebs.

Heh.

103 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:40:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #92 Occasional Reader

I assume it begins with a Big Bang.

Yep.

104 karmic_inquisitor  6/27/08 12:40:32 pm reply quote 4

re: #74 Step on a Bug

Jees. Big Deal. what's wrong with ID Charles? Lighen up.

I won't speak for the man, but this country had some great innovations that ushered in the era of prosperity and health you now enjoy.

One of the cornerstones was a free public education.

If that education becomes indoctrination into a model of the world that is incorrect and cannot produce repeatable, testable methods for further discovery, then kiss prosperity and job creation here goodbye.

Say goodbye to biomedical science here in the US, because we won't be capable of producing treatments other than what Christian Scientists currently offer.

What would the Discovery Institute then offer us? Divine Physics? Say goodbye to structures that can survive the first wind storm ...

I believe in God. I don't have to think every phenomena around me is exclusively being carried out by God's Hand to keep my faith.

105 HelloDare  6/27/08 12:40:44 pm reply quote 0

We could ask Jesus how he feels about teaching ID in schools.

The Jesus Christ Show is a radio program that airs every Sunday from 6 to 9 a.m. on KFI in Los Angeles, California. The show is billed as "Hosted by Jesus Christ". Jesus is played by its producer Neil Saavedra. The show will become a part of Premiere Radio Networks starting on June 1, 2008, and will be syndicated to several stations in the US.

"The Jesus Christ Show" began as a short segment on KFI’s The Bill Handel Show, when Saavedra was invited to play the role of Jesus as a serious guest for an Easter program segment.[1]

A podcast version of the show is available from KFI's web page.

You can take a cruise with Jesus Christ on September 3rd.

106 calculatorjockey  6/27/08 12:40:45 pm reply quote -16

I welcome teaching intelligent design in public schools, frankly.

Darwinian evolution is a crock. People generally accept it because they want to. It is the most absolutely flawed pack of nonsense that I have heard in public schools. It is less credible than global warming.

The fossil record doesn't support evolution, if anything, it argues against it.

However; I would be willing to vote against teaching ID in schools if science teachers were permitted to go on at length about the oodles of fatal flaws in the religion of evolution.

107 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:41:03 pm reply quote 6

re: #99 schultzw

I don't see the big deal about teaching ID. It doesn't promote any one religion, and it seeks to explain a lot of what science can't. Can we at LGF get off of talking about ID vs. Evolution and focus on what really matters: keeping America safe from moonbats and terrorists!

You've just told Charles that his furniture sucks.

108 Sharmuta  6/27/08 12:41:10 pm reply quote 4

Louisiana already got smacked down for sneaking creationism into schools once. I guess some people need lessons repeated.

109 debutaunt  6/27/08 12:41:11 pm reply quote 0

re: #82 Shug

2 posts in 3 months.

curious

Must have started reading a dictionary and was amazed.

110 Honorary Yooper  6/27/08 12:41:32 pm reply quote 9

re: #88 dgax65

So Bobby Jindal gets tossed under the GOP bus for one misstep? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He is still early in his political career and, so far, he has much more conservative credibility than most members of the GOP.

Since when did LGF become a GOP website? We're anti-idiotarian.

111 BuddyG  6/27/08 12:41:58 pm reply quote -5

re: #84 MandyManners

Do you want the Muslim creation myth taught to kids?


There shouldn't be teaching of any specific religion's dogma in public schools.
But there's nothing wrong with a generic mention that many people believe there is a creator of our Universe. A guiding force.

112 redc1c4  6/27/08 12:42:00 pm reply quote 0

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guy had 85 posts while being registered for over a year. Drive by trolling.

kinda what i thought..... and now we have "step on a bug".

(gamey buttocks for lunch, anyone? %-)

113 Dianna  6/27/08 12:42:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I missed Ben Hur's #90. Glad you didn't!

114 Lizard by the Bay  6/27/08 12:42:44 pm reply quote 8
I don't see the big deal about teaching ID. It doesn't promote any one religion, and it seeks to explain a lot of what science can't.

It promotes belief in a supernatural power, which is not science, no matter how you cook it up.

And folks, I'm not against religion in schools. In philosophy and social studies classes, it's almost a necessity to understanding human history and humanity. In science class? It's a joke.

115 Catttt  6/27/08 12:43:04 pm reply quote 0

re: #53 zombie

See? as I suspected, it opens the door to ALL political-scientific hoaxery.

A complete disaster.

Thanks for pointing that out.

The law does say "objective" in it and also "no religion or anti-religion or any of that religion stuff" in it. At any rate, it puts it in the hands of the school boards. Perhaps the school boards will be sharper than predicted. You never know. It could happen. Possibly. Mayhap.

116 redc1c4  6/27/08 12:43:18 pm reply quote 1

re: #78 snowcrash

Did you lurk much before posting here?

Magic 8-ball says "not likely" %-)

117 MandyManners  6/27/08 12:43:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #109 debutaunt

Must have started reading a dictionary and was amazed.

ROFLMAO!