TWIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Evevning all.

Maybe old ideas stir because the new ones don't work so great.

I think I read that book. Demon Haunted World?

Toke!

I wonder if this thread will have billions and billions of coments before it is done...

...it is the overnight thread, after all...

Hey, who left the thread open? Are you related to ConED? Were you born in a barn?

What's the drinking word?

LGF just crossed the 5.5 million comment mark.

re: #8 jcm

What's the drinking word?

Why need one?

FYI:

You can no longer have the letter combination WTF in your vehicle tags in North Carolina.

No mention of it's mirror image brother FTW.

Charles -

Taken from the book from the attic?

re: #8 jcm

Prestodigitalis

re: #8 jcm

What's the drinking word?

"The"

McCain's youtube has only 6207 subscribers, which doesn't look good. I subscribed just now to make it look less embarrassing. [Link: www.youtube.com...] if you want to help.

Catastrophe! Dog has lost her toy du jour under the chair. G-d Forbid she be separated from it for more than the time it takes someone to throw it and her to retreive.

She seems to think there is something evil at play here. Gremlins, Dingos or Demons?

Personally, I blame the cat. (don't let him know I said that)

re: #11 illegal upchuck

FYI:

You can no longer have the letter combination WTF in your vehicle tags in North Carolina.

No mention of it's mirror image brother FTW.

Dyslexics get to keep WFT.

re: #15 Toasty

McCain's youtube has only 6207 subscribers, which doesn't look good. I subscribed just now to make it look less embarrassing. [Link: www.youtube.com...] if you want to help.

McCain voters might actually have jobs....

...or at least jobs with firewalls and filters...

Someone predicted we would hit 6 million comments by September.

Sagan sounds like Jimmy Carter. Doom and Gloom is self-actuating.

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

- RWR

The N.R.A. is suing the San Francisco Housing Authority.
It seems there is an older gay guy that lives there, been assaulted more than once. He wants to keep his gun.

re: #20 reno911

Sagan Obama sounds like Jimmy Carter. Doom and Gloom is self-actuating.

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

- RWR

(fixed that for ya)

Ustedes son todos malos, y espero que tengan de bocadillos!

Vous sont touts mauvais, est j'espere que vous avait des casse-crouts!

OT: I'm trying to find an objective critique of Veterans for Peace and I'm just finding page after page of stuff BY V.P. people. About the only thing I can find is a page that says the founder of this org. is a fake Vietnam vet. Can anyone direct me to a page that exposes this organization?

re: #20 reno911

Sagan sounds like Jimmy Carter. Doom and Gloom is self-actuating.

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

- RWR

Sagan was the nuclear winter, whiner. Now I enjoyed Cosmos and some of his other stuff. Put his Nuclear Winter rants put me off.

re: #10 MandyManners

Why need one?

Of course we need one, I think it should be "a"... or maybe "and"..

Charles Johnson, thank you for this forum and the dedication and hard work. You are a tireless, amazing human.

I did enjoy reading The Demon-Haunted World, even if Carl did suffer from more than a bit of Conservative Derangement Syndrome.

Most people on youtube seem to be kids, or at least that's the impression I get.

re: #26 Yankee Division Son

Of course we need one, I think it should be "a"... or maybe "and"..

Picky. Picky. Picky.

re: #15 Toasty

This is a demographic election. Over 40s don't give much of a thought to youtube cred.

We'll see if the ever wondrous yet unreliable youth vote shows up.

History isn't with them, but the peak of the "echo boom" hits 18 this year.

If Obama keeps going back on his primary positions he may lose some of their enthusiasm and they may not show.

We'll see.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.

The demons smell weakness. The best and brightest of the West have been taught to loathe their inheritance, to assail the foundations of the civilization that birthed them, fed them, nurtured their minds... and in the absence of vigilance, the monsters move from the edges to the center. Neglect breeds pestilence, wounds allow infections. The Dark Agers from without and within see opportunity and seize it.

re: #8 jcm

"unreason"

re: #24 Tigger2005

OT: I'm trying to find an objective critique of Veterans for Peace and I'm just finding page after page of stuff BY V.P. people. About the only thing I can find is a page that says the founder of this org. is a fake Vietnam vet. Can anyone direct me to a page that exposes this organization?

Start here.

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

re: #21 rawmuse

The N.R.A. is suing the San Francisco Housing Authority.
It seems there is an older gay guy that lives there, been assaulted more than once. He wants to keep his gun.

You'd think that, now that gun ownership is a civil right, the ACLU would take up the case.

/ooops. they are too busy defending NAMBLA and the KKK.

PRONOUNCEMENT:

(cue the long brass horn-thingies)

The Drinking Word for this evening is:

...any word with one or more letters in it's composition.

That is all.

(we now return you to the thread, already in progress)

re: #21 rawmuse

The N.R.A. is suing the San Francisco Housing Authority.
It seems there is an older gay guy that lives there, been assaulted more than once. He wants to keep his gun.

Hey, these gays are probably some happy people now.

3rd day of bad air in California. I have developed a smokers cough. And I do not smoke.

I actually liked Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan. From what I remember he left open the question of G-d. I seem to remember he thougt the "great mysteries" were awe inspiring. I think the point of the book was to remind us that science has lead us away from evil for the most part (witch trials etc).

But it was a long time ago when I read it. That's what I got out if it anyway.

I gotta sleep Lizards. Drink-on.

People we have been here before on what seems to be the edge of the abyss. Take heart that this is not the end but a new beginning . America is strong and is and will always be the true bastion of freedom. Times my look rough but we have been here before and we will prevail!

re: #37 RememberSekhmet?

I have a feeling they are the ones that brought in the NRA.

Ay yay yay! Tonight was my first (and last) creationism thread. I've never seen more dishonest debating and dirty pool outside of the Daily Kos.

re: #42 Lizard by the Bay

Ay yay yay! Tonight was my first (and last) creationism thread. I've never seen more dishonest debating and dirty pool outside of the Daily Kos.

Ya I tend to stay ouy of them

re: #42 Lizard by the Bay

Ay yay yay! Tonight was my first (and last) creationism thread. I've never seen more dishonest debating and dirty pool outside of the Daily Kos.

Lots of fun aren't they?

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

If he's going to have a youtube account at all, I'd like it to be at least popular. I never subscribed to a youtube account before, but I felt bad to see the low numbers.

re: #35 karmic_inquisitor

That subject is likely too repellent for our dear friends at the ACLU. They'd rather defend something that would weaken America.

re: #6 average_guy

I wonder if this thread will have billions and billions of coments before it is done...

...it is the overnight thread, after all...

And you know how if you cut a starfish in half, it'll grow into two intact starfishes? So, if you dump a starfish into a blender... billlllions and billllions of little starfishies! :D :D :D :D

(Saw that in a gag-cartoon in STARLOG many moons ago! Haha!)

re: #44 jcm

Lots of fun aren't they?

Not really.I agree with Charles on his stance,

Our vote is in our hands, but this election is in God's hands, by whatever name you call God. This same God has watched out for this country before, and will do so again. When I get afraid as I watch this election, this is what I remind myself.

re: #43 BBev

Ya I tend to stay ouy of them

I've dipped my toes in, but to my chagrin it seems too people are yelling to listen to a voice of reason (IMHO).

re: #42 Lizard by the Bay

Ay yay yay! Tonight was my first (and last) creationism thread. I've never seen more dishonest debating and dirty pool outside of the Daily Kos.

Then you haven't spent much time at my.barackobama.com.

re: #15 Toasty

McCain's youtube has only 6207 subscribers, which doesn't look good. I subscribed just now to make it look less embarrassing. [Link: www.youtube.com...] if you want to help.

I just did so, too. Let's all do it.

re: #48 BBev

Not really.I agree with Charles on his stance,

//

I agree for the most part with Charles also. Despite that I'm fundamental in my Christian Theology and a creationist who also believes in the scientific evidence.

I have an old Sagan book I treasure which I think is called Intelligent Life in the Universe or something like that and early on he quotes from a trial of some sort where a very misguided man is trying to convince everyone that he has been visited by extraterrestrial life..it is a very hilarious exchange.

But then Sagan goes on to describe the impossibility of interstellar space travel because of its unimaginable vastness, the impossibility of flight with any possible means we have now or can envision having, that even theoretically going at a speed near the speed of light that the astronauts would be old men if and when they ever returned and that those on earth time would be the astronauts' great great grandchildren and no one might even remember the flight's origins over three hundred years' previously.

Food and fuel storage would be nearly insurmountable problems and who could predict the prolonged effects of weightlessness, boredom and lonliness.

Not to mention navigating the asteroid belt etc etc etc etc.

very interesting.

SNL is going to rerun the first SNL...
Hosted by George Carlin.

re: #20 reno911

Sagan sounds like Jimmy Carter. Doom and Gloom is self-actuating.

"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."

- RWR

That is one of the things I SO love about this place. It is SUCH a font of good quotations!

re: #45 Toasty

I don't disagree with you and agree with your sentiment.

I am just not worried about it.

The "swing voters" this year are middle aged male independents in the Ohio Valley. They aren't on youtube.

An interesting quote from the BHA (according to Apple).

re: #22 average_guy

Fortunately, Sagan never ran for office.

re: #52 NomadOfNorad

I just did. Under "coalitions" I looked for Curmudgeons. Did not find it...

re: #52 NomadOfNorad

I just did so, too. Let's all do it.

You know, part of me would like to help John McCain. Even though I disagree with him on many topics, I sincerely think he's a good person.

However...as a conservative, he has no use for me and hasn't done anything but shove quasi-liberal ideas down my throat.

Which makes me somewhat less inclined to do something helpful for him.

On topic, I liked Carl Sagan very much (especially the Cosmos series) but disagreed with him on many issues. In the 80's, for example, he advocated unilateral disarmament and stoked fears of "nuclear winter" to advance this cause (as if nuclear war itself wouldn't be bad enough).

I have his book "The Demon-Haunted World" and agree with most of what he said in it. I don't think Sagan had that much of a problem with religion or spirituality per se, it was willfully irrational thinking that bothered him. I disagree with him that, in the U.S., we have had a tendency to respond to threats by abandoning rational thought.

However, the I.D. movement does fit the mold as an irrational and simplistic response to a perceived threat. It makes no sense to defend religious faith, morality, and the social contract through lies and deception and by promoting fallacious logic and reasoning.

re: #61 shibumi

Get over it, please. I did. We all did. Got to play the hand we are dealt.

re: #57 karmic_inquisitor

That's true.. I guess it's not to worry about. Youtube does seem to be mostly kids.

re: #32 stevieray

Indeed they do.

The more people turn their backs on G-d and the objective truth of His Word, the more they are handed over to deception, illusion, and flatout stupidity.

"Because they refused to acknowledge the truth, therefore G-d handed them over to strong delusion that they should believe a lie."
(paraphrase of II Thess. 4:10-11.)

re: #61 shibumi

Which makes me somewhat less inclined to do something helpful for him, other than vote for him come November.

Fixed

re: #53 jcm

//

I agree for the most part with Charles also. Despite that I'm fundamental in my Christian Theology and a creationist who also believes in the scientific evidence.

I have heard the voise of God and I can understand where you are coming from but the evidence of evaluation to me is true.

re: #54 paint-right

Hawking started "A Brief History of Time" with humor but it was quite charitable.

IIRC, he had finished a lecture and was confronted by an older woman who said that he didn't understand crap (my words) and that the world that we knew was on the back of a turtle.

Hawking then asked "What is the turtle standing on."

He was impressed with her quick reply - "It is turtles all the way down."

He didn't trash her for it - instead he used the exchange to illustrate the problems of evidence and theory in Cosmology.

re: #36 illegal upchuck

PRONOUNCEMENT:

(cue the long brass horn-thingies)

The Drinking Word for this evening is:

...any word with one or more letters in it's composition.

That is all.

(we now return you to the thread, already in progress)

We are gonna get plastered....! :-/

its getting better all the time

re: #34 jcm

That's Iraq Veterans Against the War. I can't find any mention of Veterans for Peace. It's been around for about 30 years.

re: #61 shibumi

You know, part of me would like to help John McCain. Even though I disagree with him on many topics, I sincerely think he's a good person.

However...as a conservative, he has no use for me and hasn't done anything but shove quasi-liberal ideas down my throat.

Which makes me somewhat less inclined to do something helpful for him.

Two biggies.

GWoT, McCain will fight on.
Courts, Heller was 5-4 two close on such a fundamental issue.

We lose both if McCain loses.

re: #52 NomadOfNorad

I just did so, too. Let's all do it.

It couldn't hurt.

Has anybody heard from wanumba lately? She hasn't been in here since June 7th.

re: #71 Tigger2005

That's Iraq Veterans Against the War. I can't find any mention of Veterans for Peace. It's been around for about 30 years.

No links? Sorry....

re: #68 karmic_inquisitor

oh thanks, i was wondering what all the turtle references were in several threads here..( the threads that shall not be named)

That's very funny.... turtles all the way down. LOL

re: #67 BBev

Teach the controversy!

/Turtle stack was an inside job

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Hey Killgore I see you have gone back to your old pic. I like it better then the other.

re: #78 BBev

I'll keep it in rotation.

re: #53 jcm

//

I agree for the most part with Charles also. Despite that I'm fundamental in my Christian Theology and a creationist who also believes in the scientific evidence.

I'll have to speak with my uncle, a Church of Christ minister on the concept of the two being mutually correct. The Good Book teaches the (IMHO) basic principle of Creation, but doesn't really go into anything beyond that as far as 'new and improved' models of the animal kingdom.

Be interesting to see what he has to say.

Can anyone tell me, under a BHO regime, will my carbon taxes be included with my 1040 form, or will there be a schedule CO2?

re: #81 suboptimal

nyuk nyuk nyuk

Could this be why the Artic is melting?

re: #70 Killgore Trout

its getting better all the time

Nuh-ah.

re: #67 BBev

I have heard the voise of God and I can understand where you are coming from but the evidence of evaluation to me is true.

Simply put I seek and believe in Truth, both spiritual and physical. Where there are perceived discrepancies I look at our interpretation and understanding of the evidence. I don't concoct bizarre explanations to make it fit, I wait and seek the truth.

re: #83 rawmuse

Could this be why the Artic is melting?

Hey way don't you give l Gore a call I think he should know about this.

re: #81 suboptimal

Can anyone tell me, under a BHO regime, will my carbon taxes be included with my 1040 form, or will there be a schedule CO2?

There will be a GTS form for all global taxes, including the carbon taxes and the tribute money we will be paying the UN.

Well, tomorrow comes early. So nitey-night all!

re: #61 shibumi

You know, part of me would like to help John McCain. Even though I disagree with him on many topics, I sincerely think he's a good person.

However...as a conservative, he has no use for me and hasn't done anything but shove quasi-liberal ideas down my throat.

Which makes me somewhat less inclined to do something helpful for him.

Unfortunately, in this case, he's the lesser of two evils. It's either him... or Obama! (Spit!)

I still wish Guliani had stayed in the race after Florida. Damnit! Why the frell did he give up so easily?!?!?

Check this out:

Rat on a Cat on a Dog

re: #80 illegal upchuck

I'll have to speak with my uncle, a Church of Christ minister on the concept of the two being mutually correct. The Good Book teaches the (IMHO) basic principle of Creation, but doesn't really go into anything beyond that as far as 'new and improved' models of the animal kingdom.

Be interesting to see what he has to say.

To me God of the Bible is one of Truth

Psa. 98:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.

What we see in creation is what it is. It is not falsified as a test of faith, if god where to place false, misleading clues in creation, it undermines his authority as God. Therefore if I believe in Scripture (which I do) the evidence is also accurate.

The problem is us, misinterpreting both scripture and the evidence.

re: #90 Racer X

Check this out:

Rat on a Cat on a Dog

It's the Brementown Musicians in real life!

re: #85 jcm

Simply put I seek and believe in Truth, both spiritual and physical. Where there are perceived discrepancies I look at our interpretation and understanding of the evidence. I don't concoct bizarre explanations to make it fit, I wait and seek the truth.

It to me was not bizarre and it changed my life in a positive way it has happened to me more then once in my life and each time it has made me stronger. i'M not trying to push anything on to anyone as it should be we should all live our lives with our own faith.

re: #90 Racer X

Check this out:

Rat on a Cat on a Dog

I want to see a YEC on a Atheist on a Muslim.

I'm heading to bed... have been working on formatting & posting a page of pics from last week's Summer Solstice Parade in Santa Barbara in between reading/posting in the last few threads.

Here's a teaser - Green Priest?

re: #93 BBev

It to me was not bizarre and it changed my life in a positive way it has happened to me more then once in my life and each time it has made me stronger. i'M not trying to push anything on to anyone as it should be we should all live our lives with our own faith.

Exactly, my Christianity is not something to be pushed, it is to be shared and offered. I'll discuss it, debate it, and defend it, but never ever push it.

re: #95 slokat

I'm heading to bed... have been working on formatting & posting a page of pics from last week's Summer Solstice Parade in Santa Barbara in between reading/posting in the last few threads.

Here's a teaser - Green Priest?

Father Pfleger, eat your heart out !

re: #95 slokat

Yep - it is a moonbat commune in that town.

re: #96 jcm

Exactly, my Christianity is not something to be pushed, it is to be shared and offered. I'll discuss it, debate it, and defend it, but never ever push it.

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

A quote in relation to the OP:

"The world is increasingly governed not so much by capitalism, or communism, or social democracy, or even tribal barbarism, as by a false lexicon of political cliches, accumulated over half a century and now assuming a kind of degenerate sacerdotal authority.... We all know what they are...." ~ Paul Johnson (quoted from Israeli Ambassador Herzog's speech at the UN in 1975)

re: #95 slokat

I'm heading to bed... have been working on formatting & posting a page of pics from last week's Summer Solstice Parade in Santa Barbara in between reading/posting in the last few threads.

Here's a teaser - Green Priest?

This one we get in Fremont neighborhood of Seattle.

Body Paint on bikes.

re: #96 jcm

Exactly, my Christianity is not something to be pushed, it is to be shared and offered. I'll discuss it, debate it, and defend it, but never ever push it.

I feel the same way. If you push it, you just drive people away from the faith. You should be a sermon in shoes, though. That is, your LIFE should be enough of a demonstration of Christ that it draws people to Him just from them watching you.

re: #91 jcm

To me God of the Bible is one of Truth

Psa. 98:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.

What we see in creation is what it is. It is not falsified as a test of faith, if god where to place false, misleading clues in creation, it undermines his authority as God. Therefore if I believe in Scripture (which I do) the evidence is also accurate.

The problem is us, misinterpreting both scripture and the evidence.

I can appreciate the 'it is what it is' argument, but one can't discount the evolution (sorry) of different species into something stronger, better, healthier, etc.

That's the part that makes me wonder about the compatibility of the two.

I am very optimistic about the future, frankly.

First, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism is at an end. It is rising no more due to the incredible dedication, tenacity, brain power and flexibility of our armed forces (esp the Marines and Army) in Iraq.

If you asked any serious person 6 years ago if we'd ever develop the tactics, weapons and will to systematically confront and defeat the "asymmetric threat" of terror, most would have answered "no." the assumption was that we'd do what we know best and hope to either wipe them out or drain the swamp.

At this time we have the tactical capability and force structure to systematically dictate the tempo of war with a terror driven insurgency in an urban environment. An unreal accomplishment.

They can't beat us. That was their only means of sustained attack. They are down to taking potshots.

Second, the US drives the most flexible economy in the world and in the history of civilization. It will be hard for BO to dismantle. If he is POTUS, he will become quickly concerned with exploiting it because his ego demands a legacy and his followers will accept any contradiction of prior policy as "smart" and "tactical" (As they have on FISA, campaign finance reform and guns in the last week. He will change on Iraq, too, before November and his followers will follow nonetheless).

The energy "crisis" we have will pass. Our economy has grown less oil dependent since the 70s and will continue to do so as price provides a structural incentive to bypass oil. Our oil demands are driven by consumers, not industry. The American consumer is incredibly adaptable.

The cheap dollar is already driving export growth (you'll see more of that reported in the coming months) and our long term trade deficits have parked many dollars off shore which will be "repatriated" as cheap, high quality American products are sold and investment is made in our economy.

Third, Americans are good, hard working and decent people. We can also be naive and prone to all sorts of appeals to our sense of justice. That is what troofers have exploited. That is what Obama is exploiting. But we always come around to the rational course and ultimately reject the charismatics and demagogues. That is our history and will continue to be our history.

Can't we all just get a bong?

re: #99 zombie

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

It tells you to go out into all the earth and preach the gospel. It does not tell you to ram it down their throats, though.

re: #101 jcm

This one we get in Fremont neighborhood of Seattle.

Body Paint on bikes.

That looks very much like a movie I recently watched.
"Species, The Awakening"

re: #24 Tigger2005

OT: I'm trying to find an objective critique of Veterans for Peace and I'm just finding page after page of stuff BY V.P. people. About the only thing I can find is a page that says the founder of this org. is a fake Vietnam vet. Can anyone direct me to a page that exposes this organization?

couldn't find anything either, but these folks might be able to help.

re: #105 Racer X

Can't we all just get a bong?

LMAO!

re: #104 karmic_inquisitor

Awesome post!

re: #99 zombie

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

I do by trying to help my fellow man and to me that may be holding a door open for someone or letting someone cut into traffic, just treating people with the golden rule.

re: #99 zombie

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

Yeah, but I don't recall any instances where either Jesus or any of the apostles preached to a captive audience, so to speak. Listening was voluntary.

In any case, I think jcm might say that he himself was not called to be a preacher.

re: #99 zombie

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

Evangelism yes, which is sharing the gift, no more.

I find "fire insurance" gospel, repent or burn in hell, "prosperity" gospel, believe and you'll be materially blessed, and all the others distasteful.

It's about gift and relationship with God, freely given and most importantly freely accepted. My great commission, my evangelical duty is to present it.

Acceptance or rejection is without judgement on my part.

re: #105 Racer X

Can't we all just get a bong?

Pass that bong

re: #101 jcm

This one we get in Fremont neighborhood of Seattle.

Body Paint on bikes.

I have come across some really nifty body-painted nude pictures, but I just LOVE this one! It really makes me laugh, joyously.

You got a link to the actual Flickr page this one came from?

re: #111 BBev

I do by trying to help my fellow man and to me that may be holding a door open for someone or letting someone cut into traffic, just treating people with the golden rule.

Personally, when someone cuts in front of me, I want to beat them with a golden ruler.

So Carl Sagan wouldn't fervently applaud ID being taught in public schools? Another one for the wedge heap...

re: #116 zombie

Personally, when someone cuts in front of me, I want to beat them with a golden ruler.

As I said when "I let them cut in front" otherwise I agree with you.

re: #103 illegal upchuck

I can appreciate the 'it is what it is' argument, but one can't discount the evolution (sorry) of different species into something stronger, better, healthier, etc.

That's the part that makes me wonder about the compatibility of the two.

It's not mutually exclusive. I believe the Bible is an accurate, internally consistent spiritual text. Without the spirit of wisdom and revelation it is not possible to understand the Bible completely. Studying the bible logically will get you lost, it's not logical, it's spiritual.

With my education I have a great deal of confidence in the fossil record, astrophysics, biology etc... The evidence and stages are clear.

There is also a lot of unknown, areas where both sides project ideas into and then try to claim.

re: #104 karmic_inquisitor

I myself am very pessimistic about the country's prospects.
I really appreciate reading another perspective so well expressed.

re: #116 zombie

Personally, when someone cuts in front of me, I want to beat them with a golden ruler.

I beat Hell and guts out of a computer with a 3-hole punch once. Does that count?

re: #116 zombie

Personally, when someone cuts in front of me, I want to beat them with a golden ruler.

Mind you that I drive a Dodge 2500 dented to hell so if someone pisses me off that way there will be a very large ruler next to them

Sagan could be kind of a dweeb, though...

re: #62 Tigger2005

I watched Cosmos as a kid and have been turned onto science ever since. I was a bio major in college, and it struck me that the scientific mind tends to reduce things to a basic logical string, cause, effect; hypothesis, data, hypothesis revision; etc. There's also a strong detachment from the human aspect of thought which tends to seep into the political. More money for poor people? Sure it'll eliminate poverty? No nukes means no holocaust, no nuclear winter? QED. Of course some scientists are more connected to the human aspect of experience, but most tend to reduce political problems to simple equations. A paradox, to be sure. I'm willing to tolerate the noble intentions of abstract thinkers, b/c to a certain extent they inform the conservative viewpoint. Take Sagan's adamant stance against nukes. Well okay, let's strive for a world where a nuclear holocaust will never occur, but at the same time maintain a position of strength throughout.

/my 2 cents

re: #115 NomadOfNorad

I have come across some really nifty body-painted nude pictures, but I just LOVE this one! It really makes me laugh, joyously.

You got a link to the actual Flickr page this one came from?

Here you go..

re: #83 rawmuse

Could this be why the Artic is melting?

This is why its melting....

/Sorry....

re: #102 NomadOfNorad

I feel the same way. If you push it, you just drive people away from the faith. You should be a sermon in shoes, though. That is, your LIFE should be enough of a demonstration of Christ that it draws people to Him just from them watching you.

Exactly!

i was in line today at kolhs- had a large purchase- the gal in back of me had 1 item-i told her to go ahead- the cashier was amazed- common courtesy has disappeared -

re: #128 mikeymom

I did the samething today also.

re: #125 jcm

Ah, thank you. Now I can download it at full size.

re: #129 BBev

ine step closer to our wings?

re: #104 karmic_inquisitor

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

re: #128 mikeymom

/Would you believe that the same thing happens in NY, in Costo, where there is no express line?

re: #119 jcm

I'm not sure what you mean by "logical."
I'm not sure "logical" and "spiritual" are mutually exclusive.
I AM sure that logic is by no means exclusive to science.

Did you mean to say it's not a "scientific" text?

re: #131 mikeymom

one step closer to our wings?

I'm hoping I already have them.

re: #133 NY Nana

heh--im orig from n.y.--poughkeepsie--co is much better--

re: #56 NomadOfNorad

That is one of the things I SO love about this place. It is SUCH a font of good quotations!

Speaking of Fonts...this question is for Charles and Stinky. What is the typeface utilized in the LGF banner?

re: #119 jcm

FWIW, we are a very limited species. But we are clever.

For events we can't directly observe, we figure out how to perceive them nonetheless. We observe the effects and then reason out the causes. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle still blows me away in its cleverness and simplicity.

We will continue to peel back the mysteries and reason past the seemingly insurmountable roadblocks.

But there are so many phenomena that we can't account for. This one is an example. There is a whole universe for us to explore and understand and we are just at the starting line.

A God that would create a static universe ruled by simple and obvious laws would be torturing us.

re: #137 Macker

You're right. I shoulda said Founts. :D

re: #135 BBev

if you ve read any of my stories of dealing w/ my mom in law- i look like john travola in "michael"--but i keep it under my coat--lol

Can someone tell me why on earth I left here and stayed gone for a year? I have discovered I really missed these discussions.

re: #139 NomadOfNorad

You actually got that right.

re: #141 illegal upchuck

you were too busy vomiting i would guess-welcome back

re: #140 mikeymom

if you ve read any of my stories of dealing w/ my mom in law- i look like john travola in "michael"--but i keep it under my coat--lol

Same here but with out the coat and I got a hair cut.

re: #134 wolfie

I'm not sure what you mean by "logical."
I'm not sure "logical" and "spiritual" are mutually exclusive.
I AM sure that logic is by no means exclusive to science.

Did you mean to say it's not a "scientific" text?

The Bible in greek has two words for scripture, Rhema and Logos. Many teach Rhema as being spoken and logos as written. Rhema is deeper, it is the word actualized, understood and effective as a spiritual reality. This is not something I can explain or teach, each must experience it individually. It goes so far beyond logical understanding of the text.

Logic is part of it the mind and intellect must be used, but that only takes you so far. And is a dead end in understand the scriptures, because there is so much more there.

re: #144 BBev

chain chain chain--chain of fools--

re: #141 illegal upchuck

Can someone tell me why on earth I left here and stayed gone for a year? I have discovered I really missed these discussions.

ROFL!

Welcome back, then!

Love your nick, BTW!

re: #141 illegal upchuck

Can someone tell me why on earth I left here and stayed gone for a year? I have discovered I really missed these discussions.

I've been here for 4 years and I have gone many a long time saying nothing but reading much.

re: #142 Macker

You actually got that right.

Dang! Corrected myself too soon! :D

Thank you. :)

re: #138 karmic_inquisitor

FWIW, we are a very limited species. But we are clever.

For events we can't directly observe, we figure out how to perceive them nonetheless. We observe the effects and then reason out the causes. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle still blows me away in its cleverness and simplicity.

We will continue to peel back the mysteries and reason past the seemingly insurmountable roadblocks.

But there are so many phenomena that we can't account for. This one is an example. There is a whole universe for us to explore and understand and we are just at the starting line.

A God that would create a static universe ruled by simple and obvious laws would be torturing us.

God explicit state he hid things for us to discover.

re: #146 mikeymom

chain chain chain--chain of fools--

and like him I have always loved my woman

re: #136 mikeymom

heh--im orig from n.y.--poughkeepsie--co is much better--

And I am originally from the Boston suburbs.

Up until about a year ago, people just stopped offering. They used to. And I think that the cost of gas and food now is impacting on people...it is scary.

And we are due for another mini heat wave..already sweating from the humidity...90%, and 68 degrees.

On with the A/C, and I am going to sleep!

/Doesn't this picture look adorable? You can feel the insincerity luv....

*cough* *cough*

G'nite, all! Sweet dreams.

re: #151 BBev

AND he smelled like choc chip cookies--oh my- and damn he could dance

re: #150 jcm

God explicit state he hid things for us to discover.

Such as hyperspace, subspace, or foldspace?

This is soooo coool Phoenix Scrapes to Icy Soil in Wonderland

re: #147 NomadOfNorad

ROFL!

Welcome back, then!

Love your nick, BTW!

Thanks, and thanks. It's from a Lewis Grizzard book. I miss ol' Lewis. Died too young.

BBev, I started back about a week ago, just lurking, wondering if I should ever post again. I just don't feel as smart and well-spoken (well-written?) as most of the Lizards.

re: #153 mikeymom

AND he smelled like choc chip cookies--oh my- and damn he could dance

I have been known to be light on my feet.

re: #152 NY Nana

ya know--you USED to me one of my favs--that pic is just--well-two words BRAIN BLEACH--

re: #152 NY Nana

She's fixin' to spit in his ear.

re: #154 Macker

Such as hyperspace, subspace, or foldspace?

ID space? (As per my comments in the previous thread re: space-opera tech)

re: #154 Macker

Such as hyperspace, subspace, or foldspace?

Prov. 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

You never know what he's concealed.

It's late, it's been fun, my beers gone.

Night all.

"Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty."
Samuel Adams

re: #160 NomadOfNorad

ID space? (As per my comments in the previous thread re: space-opera tech)

No please keep ID out of this thread!

re: #157 BBev

is that the same as being light in the loafers? not that there is any thing wrong with that

re: #156 illegal upchuck

Thanks, and thanks. It's from a Lewis Grizzard book. I miss ol' Lewis. Died too young.

BBev, I started back about a week ago, just lurking, wondering if I should ever post again. I just don't feel as smart and well-spoken (well-written?) as most of the Lizards.

Don't let our smartness (and sometimes smartassness :-) deter you. We're an inclusive bunch. :D

re: #163 mikeymom

is that the same as being light in the loafers? not that there is any thing wrong with that

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOO

re: #83 rawmuse

Could this be why the Artic is melting?

Yup!
Reported and spin-off-linked by me way back in January! ! !

hello?

^{_{/echo chamber}}

It's important to remember that Carl Sagan did "billions and billions" of bong hits.

re: #167 docremulac

It's important to remember that Carl Sagan did "billions and billions" of bong hits.

And he could not save one for me!

re: #164 NomadOfNorad
Mighty kind of you. I'll keep that in mind.

hi lee-how you? im being goofy tonight--wanna join?

re: #162 BBev

No please keep ID out of this thread!

Sorry, wrong kind of ID. Earth: Final Conflict's definition: InterDimensional (think "hyperspace").

I WANT me an ID Portal! (Teleport station.)

Dang, where are the Taelons when you need them?!?!?

re: #156 illegal upchuck

BBev, I started back about a week ago, just lurking, wondering if I should ever post again. I just don't feel as smart and well-spoken (well-written?) as most of the Lizards.

Well, shucks- that doesn't stop some people from posting.

I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudo-science and superstition will seem year by year more tempting

You worry that? Seems Like you've been promoting that.

re: #172 Sharmuta

re: #99 zombie

But aren't there sections in the Bible encouraging evangelism?

We got some perceptual problems goin' on here.

Scripture definitely encourages the sharing of the Good News.
However, Believers are to be attractive in the way they do it.

Learning and Living God's Word . . . that's called "Lifestyle Evangelism"

St. Francis of Assissi said, "Preach the Gospel all the time. If necessary, use words"

There have been way too many instances of self-righteous make-Believers who totally repel, rather than attract people -- by some really flawed reasoning, they feel that they can consign folks to Hell -- they can't, that's YHWH's job.

BTW- YHWH makes us righteousness -- we can't make ourselves righteous.

re: #158 mikeymom

ya know--you USED to me one of my favs--that pic is just--well-two words BRAIN BLEACH--

*Sob* What can I do to get back in your good graces?

I have to live in the same state with that bitch...have some mercy!

/There is just not enough brain bleach to erase that image.

re: #174 mikeymom

opps--nevermind

re: #172 Sharmuta

Well, shucks- that doesn't stop some people from posting.

Ya like me when it's 2 am and all the beer is now gone.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was hydrogen." "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." For every beginning, there is an ending. Every ending is just a beginning. From big bang to black hole, evolution is cosmification. The red giant will consume today's material dream. Our destiny is the eternal space between the atomic particles we see, where everlasting Truth and Love - Christ, abides. In the end was the Word, and the Word was God.

/pleasant dreams

re: #173 Murqtaad

Oh, Murq....

Do you know what Phillip Johnson- the founder of the modern ID movement has said?

Johnson calls his movement "The Wedge." The objective, he said, is to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to "the truth" of the Bible and then "the question of sin" and finally "introduced to Jesus."

re: #180 Sharmuta

Murqie- I hope you realize- that's not science- it's proselytizing, and it's what they want to do in schools.

re: #159 illegal upchuck

She's fixin' to spit in his ear.

Can you imagine what he would like to do to Shrill?

I cannot believe that this 'alliance' between the Billaries and Hussein will last. Can you just imagine Shrill going to a restaurant to do lunch with Michelle?

/They had better warn PETA, because a lot of fur is going to fly.

re: #176 NY Nana

ok--send me some vodka--all is forgiven--lol--we left n.y in '95 and i thought i was away from her--i used to say if she ever ran from pres i was outta here-little did i know obama was on the horizon--YIKES!

I have to get some sleep.

Murq- I hope you think about what I've said. Trust Charles, if nothing else.

re: #180 Sharmuta

If that was his plan (as a way to preach the Gospel), then he's going about it the wrong way. Brings us back to the "drives people away" matter we touched on above.

See you all.

For some reason, the Sagan quote reminds me of this song: Perennial Quest.

Lyrics. Because not everyone can understand Deathmetalese.

re: #180 Sharmuta

No sweetheart,

I didn't. I guess if yer right, my trig fing isithcy. I'm just not very happy with the way LGF has turned these last 12 months. Maybe I don't belong here....

Got a big day tomorrow today (wifey's birthday). I'm heading for bed. Good morning, all.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

re: #145 jcm

I agree....although you phrased it better than I would have!

I'm just a little cranky about the confusion between the words "logical" (or "rational") and "scientific."

AAAAAHHHHHHH!

BTW- YHWH makes us righteousness -- we can't make ourselves righteous.

Scuzzi.

re: #152 NY Nana

You trying to give us nightmares? Eeeek!

re: #104 karmic_inquisitor

Thank you, karmic! I really needed that boost!

Love ya sharm,

If I don't see ya bye monday I hope I'll get back to ya before the fall.

Good night all

nighy all--bless you-see ya soon- God bless America

re: #21 rawmuse

The N.R.A. is suing the San Francisco Housing Authority.
It seems there is an older gay guy that lives there, been assaulted more than once. He wants to keep his gun.

Suit will fail. Should fail. He who owns the place decides whether guns are allowed or not. City owned, city decision to allow guns or not.

195 and 196,

Bless you, and america!

re: #197 lostlakehiker

But the fact that it is CITY owned (i.e. government-owned) means that they're bound by the US Constitution and cannot violate it. Ergo, their not allowing guns directly conflicts with the 2nd Amendment.

re: #183 mikeymom

ok--send me some vodka--all is forgiven--lol--we left n.y in '95 and i thought i was away from her--i used to say if she ever ran from pres i was outta here-little did i know obama was on the horizon--YIKES!

Will this hold you for tonight? ;)

I told NY Grampa when they left the White House, and Shrill's hands had to be pried off the fence, that Shrill would run for President Commissar, and he said I was nuts. Damn, I should have made a bet! He is just as scared of Shrill as I am, and the house she used for photo ops is up county from us.

I joke about the election, but it is not funny! The worst candidates since Jimma and Bubba...but we live in a post-9/11 world that requires the best of the best. I will vote for McCain, holding my nose when I fill in my absentee ballot, and I wish that any lizard who throws a tantrum, and refuses to vote would be suspended for at least a month by Charles.

I am 70, but think of my kids and grandkids, and shudder. What will life be like for them?

Speaking of demon haunted worlds, aren't we seeing a lot of magical nonsense thinking these days? Prices are up because of speculators? Global warming is because of sun warming? Obama is a light worker? Trooferism in all its glorious variety?

re: #192 wolfie

You trying to give us nightmares? Eeeek!

Sorry, Wolfie.

I am still online, rather than asleep, as I am giving myself nightmares after seeing that picture..please don't show it to your kids, anyone!

That picture, as scary as it is, speaks volumes about the Demonrat candidates.

Obama must have majored in Cartoon with a double in BS. He is really ignorant.

re: #170 mikeymom

hi lee-how you? im being goofy tonight--wanna join?

Born that way! Comes natural to me!

I'm good and sleepy (sometimes helps in the goofy department).

You good?

re: #203 pat

Toon physics, even! :D

re: #152 NY Nana

OOO. A Double Air Kiss.

re: #202 NY Nana

I still think the Hildebeast is waiting, waiting, waiting......HOPING that some dramatic CHANGE of events will give her the nomination after all.

Fairness Despotism

Forty years ago, Walter Cronkite could declare on the evening news that the Vietnam War was lost, and that's the way it was. Do Americans want to return to those days by reviving the so-called Fairness Doctrine?

Think of it in terms of consumer choice. You're on vacation, and you take your family into the $10.95 all-you-can-eat buffet. How would you like it if, when you walk up to fill your plate with lobster and ribs, you find the government has made the restaurant replace those with liver and brussels sprouts?

That's the approach the Democratic Congress is taking to political speech on the airwaves: You as an American don't know what's good for you. If you listen mostly to conservative talk radio, or watch Fox News, then you should be force-fed things you don't want. (It takes government force because, as the Air America debacle proved, people don't listen to liberal talk radio.)

Obama: Riding Tall In The Straddle

Reacting to the Heller decision, Obama said he'd uphold the rights of gun owners, rights denied by the D.C. and Chicago bans, saying: "I know what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We need to work together to enact common sense laws."

But such bans don't work anywhere, and Obama once thought the D.C. ban was both common sense and constitutional.

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence through common sense, effective safety measures," Obama said in a statement that makes his position perfectly unclear.

/Obama will take your guns, Pelosi will take your talk radio

re: #197 lostlakehiker

Suit will fail. Should fail. He who owns the place decides whether guns are allowed or not. City owned, city decision to allow guns or not.

what part of "to keep and bear arms" is an individual right did you not understand?

re: #207 wolfie

"CHANGE" ! ! !

Drink!

Unfortunately, I can't escape the impression that Sagan would be Kumbaya-ing with Mamma Ass right now if he were still alive. He was probably thinking of Reagan when he wrote this.

I'm agonizing over my diminished place and purpose in the cosmos! WAAAAAH!

I watched Cosmos and read the book, too, so I'm sort of a fan. Though I see that the DVD set is four times as expensive on Amazon than the first season of The Universe. I'm sure I'd much rather sit through that again than Sagan's nasal prattling on. I'm a nice guy, and even I sometimes had a strnage urge to knock the books out of his hands and steal his lunch money.

How scary is it when Billary ('shucks, bomb the tent. and why do them sudanese need aspirin anyway? hey? send Lewinski out for pizza. i'm doing some national security stuff') is more concerned about America than this affirmative action dimwit?

re: #206 pat

OOO. A Double Air Kiss.

Here's back at you!

I really have to go to sleep. I just hate the marks on my face when I sleep on the keyboard!

G'nite again, all...sweet dreams. I will have the nightmare for all of you that had to see that photo. But look at the bright side! It is a really great appetite suppressant, and if that doesn't work? I have one of Helen Thomas! ;)

G'nite, Leepro!

re: #199 NomadOfNorad

I think you have it backwards. If the city said, you may not bring guns onto your own property, that would be one thing. If the city said, you may not bring guns into my city property, that is their prerogative as owner. The city may also forbid guns on city buses, in city parks, in City Hall, and so on.

The owners of a stadium may forbid guns inside their stadium. The owner calls the shots.

re: #205 NomadOfNorad

Toon physics, even! :D

Cartoon Laws of Physics

re: #156 illegal upchuck

Thanks, and thanks. It's from a Lewis Grizzard book. I miss ol' Lewis. Died too young.

BBev, I started back about a week ago, just lurking, wondering if I should ever post again. I just don't feel as smart and well-spoken (well-written?) as most of the Lizards.

that doesn't sem to stop some folxs......

Lew was a fav of mine, even here in the PRC.

re: #210 NomadOfNorad

"CHANGE" ! ! !

Drink!

DOUBLES!

Nite, Nana. Sleep well.

re: #207 wolfie

I still think the Hildebeast is waiting, waiting, waiting......HOPING that some dramatic CHANGE of events will give her the nomination after all.

So help me, that is exactly, word for word. that I have been saying. I think I have also posted..the October surprise? G-d forbid. But I think that there is enough animosity against the Billaries that would play against Shrill.

At least that is what I keep telling myself.

re: #218 pat

Nite, Nana. Sleep well.

Ha, ha! fooled you! ;)

Seriosly, it is 2:45 AM here. Ouch!

re: #215 Macker

Law Of The Death Of Girls With Great Boobs In Monster Movies
/same vein. gold.

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

re: #213 NY Nana

Here's back at you!

I really have to go to sleep. I just hate the marks on my face when I sleep on the keyboard!

G'nite again, all...sweet dreams. I will have the nightmare for all of you that had to see that photo. But look at the bright side! It is a really great appetite suppressant, and if that doesn't work? I have one of Helen Thomas! ;)

G'nite, Leepro!

{ { {Nana} } }

re: #214 lostlakehiker

I think you have it backwards. If the city said, you may not bring guns onto your own property, that would be one thing. If the city said, you may not bring guns into my city property, that is their prerogative as owner. The city may also forbid guns on city buses, in city parks, in City Hall, and so on.

The owners of a stadium may forbid guns inside their stadium. The owner calls the shots.

I'm sorry, but that sounds too much like trying to use the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law.

The point behind the 2nd Amendment was to bar THE GOVERNMENT from taking away a common citizen's ability to arm himself in the place in which he lives, or within his own everyday community. If a person is barred by law from having a gun in the place in which he lives, that is fundamentally wrong. You're trying to split hairs, and it ain't gonna fly.

re: #220 NY Nana

OMG, you caught me being naughty. lol. Go To Bed!

Gathering darkness and demons stirring? I judge this thread is ripe for the joke of ancient cosmic terror.

Knock knock!

Who's there?

Cthul.

Cthul who?

Cthulu Fh'tagn!

/geeks get it

re: #222 LeePro

{ { {Nana} } }

Same to you...too tired to do the hugs...

re: #224 pat

OMG, you caught me being naughty. lol. Go To Bed!

And you go to your room, young man! ;)

I am really closing down, honest!

re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My last tour of The Mountains Of Madness was disappointing. lol

re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of demons and cthulhu-esque critters gathering... the next Hellboy movie looks interesting. The first one was fun. (And even had actual, Cthulhu-ish critters in it! Large and nasty ones, in fact.)

"Really, how big can it be?" [Gets yanked out of frame by a giant tentacle]

re: #229 NomadOfNorad

Speaking of demons and cthulhu-esque critters gathering... the next Hellboy movie looks interesting. The first one was fun. (And even had actual, Cthulhu-ish critters in it! Large and nasty ones, in fact.)

"Really, how big can it be?" [Gets yanked out of frame by a giant tentacle]

I'm looking forward to it. Enjoyed the first one a lot.

What, dead thread already?

Del Toro's next flick is supposed to be an adaptation of At the Mountains of Madness...

re: #231 NomadOfNorad

Action on the Jindal thread, with murqtad now threatening to kill someone...

Slow night, maybe I should check how the market ended up.

¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

G'nite {Lizards}!

re: #231 NomadOfNorad

What, dead thread already?

who died?

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.

Demons, huh?

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of
ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant
that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own
direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing
together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of
reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go
mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety
of a new dark age.
--H.P. Lovecraft

re: #223 NomadOfNorad

I'm sorry, but that sounds too much like trying to use the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law.

The point behind the 2nd Amendment was to bar THE GOVERNMENT from taking away a common citizen's ability to arm himself in the place in which he lives, or within his own everyday community. If a person is barred by law from having a gun in the place in which he lives, that is fundamentally wrong. You're trying to split hairs, and it ain't gonna fly.

tell it to the mountain brother.....

we shall be free.

re: #227 NY Nana

And you go to your room, young man! ;)

I am really closing down, honest!

shouldn't you send him to your room?

/saw it on a bumper sticker

...billions and billions of bucks for 'Bama....

re: #219 NY Nana

Concur yr "Hillary is waiting, lurking..." analysis, Nana!

For example, in the first round of voting for the Democratic National presidential candidate in Denver, one of the delegates (say, the 27th on the list) votes 'Obama!', BUT SHE WAS PLEDGED TO HILLARY, so Hillary immediately files suit in federal court to declare the proceedings null, for the reason that ON THE FIRST BALLOT, delegates are required to vote their pledge...

AND she lists in her suit EVERY OTHER QUESTIONABLE ASPECT of Hussein's very being, (possible racketeering [Rezko], probably NOT an American citizen [demanding valid birth certification]...)

AND Denver erupts in righteous fury, their Obamaster being thus called for his crimes... how rude!

And by Hillary, no less, a Democrat she says!

Gotta love some of these baseball 'retro' nights. Tonight the Padres and Mariners wore their 1978 uniforms. Two last place teams going head-to-head in San Diego and the biggest draw was probably those technicolor 70s uniforms.....

They did the same thing when the Red Sox came out to San Diego last year, too....the Red Sox unis of any era are pretty tame compared to most of the Padres uniforms from the last 40 years or so....(they'll even go back to the PCL days on some weekends).

re: #233 freetoken

Slow night, maybe I should check how the market ended up.

Decomposing in a ditch, identifiable only by dental records.

Carl Sagan was a fraud.

Did I mention he was a fraud?

Can someone write a cheerful note? Something to brighten the picture? A little hope perhaps that we're not headed towards idiocracy?

I find myself getting profoundly depressed at all of the stuff I read here and in most conservative blogs. And no, I don't feel like avoiding it all , putting on a white wool coat and uttering "baaaa" for the rest of my life. Avoidance and appeasement are no answer.

It seems like we're a quarter of the way into "Atlas Shrugged", but instead of just socialists mucking things up, we also have a ton of nuts who want to kill everyone too, and make most dystopian observations look like a cartoon.

I work in technology and I'm pretty confident in 10 to 15 years Japan and South Korea will have robots that will be able to do a lot of menial labour. (please keep reading, this isn't an insane tangent)...

Many futurists I've read talk about jacking up the intelligence for single robots. I think if you set up a server farm and bluetooth the whole factory/location, then you're set, one big brain to run lots of machines.

This brings my depressing question state at the moment.

What happens in 20 years when the exceedingly low skilled are simply not needed? We see the rise in radical islam or communism in poor countries with bad economies, what happens when even their labor is too expensive?

Why do all these socialists keep pushing the welfare state, social justice and rights tribunals/witchunts? Why is every Kos post a neverending book, instead of short n' sweet like on conservative sites?

When can I read the news without wondering if our water has PCP in it instead of fluoride?

I'm not giving up, or savagely depressed. Just bummed out. It seems like "the truth is out there" and people just aren't reading it or caring.

I apologize for this rambling, it's length seems to mimic the long-winded crap I've seen on the Kos site.

re: #214 lostlakehiker

I think you have it backwards. If the city said, you may not bring guns onto your own property, that would be one thing. If the city said, you may not bring guns into my city property, that is their prerogative as owner. The city may also forbid guns on city buses, in city parks, in City Hall, and so on.

The owners of a stadium may forbid guns inside their stadium. The owner calls the shots.

however, people do not reside in stadiums, buses, city hall etc.... (parks are an open issue, especially in SF, given the homeless population). the Court was quite clear that the people (us, the great unwashed), had a fundamental right to defend ourselves in our homes.

is a government funded residence any less of a home than another?
if, by your logic, the 2nd amendment doesn't cover it, than by extension, none of the others does either...... it's a lovely world you've conjured up. are you sure you want to keep it?

The Demon-Haunted World should be required reading for schoolchildren everywhere. It teaches people that the difference between science and superstition is far more than just a matter of procedure, but is a question of attitude.

That said, in some of his attitudes, I didn't appreciate what I saw as a kind of cynical nihilism.

The man was still a world-altering mind, and the kind of guy we need more of. I'm sorry he's not here, even though I'm sure he would vote for Obama.

re: #244 AverageCdn

What happens in 20 years when the exceedingly low skilled are simply not needed?

Trust me, there will always be a need for someone to pour concrete for new buildings, and to put small quantities of odd-shaped things into cardboard cartons. We aren't going to build an entire machine dedicated to doing some menial task that costs US$0.15 per unit.

Why is every Kos post a neverending book, instead of short n' sweet like on conservative sites?

Because the only way Koslings can appear to make an argument, is by obfuscating their factual deficiency with verbosity.

re: #245 redc1c4

In any event, a designated gun-free zone (such as a school or a park) is really a designated defenseless target-rich zone. I, personally, think all gun-free zones should be declared illegal. Null and void.

But that's a slightly different issue than the one we were discussing, even though it's one that intersects with this one. One to never lose sight of, though.

re: #243 victor_yugo

Carl Sagan was a fraud.

Did I mention he was a fraud?

Is there any content in those links at all? I see only ignorance, and no evidence of him being any kind of fraud. Sorry.

re: #248 NomadOfNorad

I, personally, think all gun-free zones should be declared illegal. Null and void.

What about airports?

re: #244 AverageCdn

What happens in 20 years when the exceedingly low skilled are simply not needed? We see the rise in radical islam or communism in poor countries with bad economies, what happens when even their labor is too expensive?

We're moving toward cool fusion units which can generate safe, virtually unlimited power.

Moving toward virtually free, instantaneous web/knowledge access.

Moving toward free, voluminous clean de-salinated water; which means we can water, fertilize and plant the Sahara Desert, and feed everyone AND their voluminous offspring to triple, quadruple the number we have now...

And with 1/10th of New Mexico devoted to vertical algae farm, we'll have more than enough fuel oil (yes, we have algae tailored to produce jet fuel) AND vegetable oil AND plant matter to power the North American continent...

So we're moving toward a world where many things we think indispensable today will be unnecessary, but we'll also have the basics to give to marginally unskilled, and we'll be able to support the crippled, halt, maimed and blind IF they do not want to work...

Work at what? Got me, Average, but maybe service industries and art and entertainment and teaching...

And don't worry about Muslims, they will find out sooner or later that the al-Qaim CAME May 22, 1844 and the al-Mahdi was with humankind from 1853 to 1892 (Micah 7:15) and they'll change into Followers of the Light... leaving only a tiny minority of bitter, splodeydopes and their follower-less mullahs and imams...

Is THAT good enough news? :D

re: #243 victor_yugo

Hope you are not serious about the natural elements claim...

re: #248 NomadOfNorad

In any event, a designated gun-free zone (such as a school or a park) is really a designated defenseless target-rich zone. I, personally, think all gun-free zones should be declared illegal. Null and void.

But that's a slightly different issue than the one we were discussing, even though it's one that intersects with this one. One to never lose sight of, though.

how could i lose sight of something i'm constantly scanning?

/11B10 %-)

re: #201 lostlakehiker

Speaking of demon haunted worlds, aren't we seeing a lot of magical nonsense thinking these days? Prices are up because of speculators? Global warming is because of sun warming? Obama is a light worker? Trooferism in all its glorious variety?

You are right on the money.

It occurred to me the other day that as much as the left accuses the right of practicing the so-called "politics of fear", if you take Republican rhetoric about terrorists and replace all references to terrorists ("Al Queda", "Osama", "the terrorists" etc.) with the word "Republican", you get the exact same thing. They've been practicing the politics of fear since at least the mid-60's.

Fear the Rethuglican bogeyman! He'll starve your granny, steal your paycheck and kick your dog! Booga boogah!

re: #254 Pawn of the Oppressor

And if they eliminate Republicans from society, they'll have to invent a whole new boogeyman to fill people with fear and lies about.

re: #250 Lizard by the Bay

What about airports?

what about them?

licensed, legal carry persons would identify themselves, since they are law abiding citizens. terrorists, OTOH, would shit themselves, in such a high threat environment.

the Thousands Standing Around would undoubtedly bitch, but that's because their cake j*bs would be in jeopardy.

next issue please. %-)

re: #255 NomadOfNorad

And if they eliminate Republicans from society, they'll have to invent a whole new boogeyman to fill people with fear and lies about.

"THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL! Only your vote and the contents of your wallet can save us!"

re: #256 redc1c4

Thank you, you said it better than I could have. I totally agree with you on this.

re: #258 NomadOfNorad

Thank you, you said it better than I could have. I totally agree with you on this.

/me bows, smiles shyly, and waves to the crowd.....

re: #249 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is there any content in those links at all? I see only ignorance, and no evidence of him being any kind of fraud. Sorry.

Did you actually read them?

Carl Sagan was an anti-religious bigot. Without that, he never would have gotten his funding to make Cosmos for PBS. But his replacement argument for the origin of humanity was specious.

re: #252 freetoken

Hope you are not serious about the natural elements claim...

I'm damn serious. Sagan claimed on his show that no element heavier than (either nickel or iron) could be fused in our Sun, so anything heavier came from "star stuff," like exploded supernovae. The Gabon natural reactors put the lie to that.

Well, I'm gonna hit the sack here... which I should have done two hours ago... :D

Nighty night lizards. Sweet dreams, weet dreams, and maybe even wet dreams to those that want it.

(Urk! Did I actually say that last bit? I think I've been hanging out with the wrong crowd... :-)

This is probably one of the sickest news story I have seen lately: 4 NY teens arrested for hurling rocks at bus of Jewish toddlers

"Four New York teenagers have been arrested on hate crime charges for throwing rocks at a school bus full of Jewish toddlers, Police said.

Police said the three girls and one boy yelled epithets last month as they broke windows on the bus in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Crown Heights. The children were not hurt.

The case was part of a string of incidents that have stirred tensions between black and Jewish residents in Crown Heights. The teens were all 14 and are black.

The flash points have included an assault on a black college student and an attack on an Orthodox Jewish teen.

A race riot erupted in 1991 after a Jewish driver hit and killed a 7-year-old black boy. A 29-year-old Hasidic scholar was stabbed to death in the chaos.