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The Discovery Institute's 'Wedge Strategy'

Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:09:45 pm PDT

This is important background information on the Discovery Institute, the main hub of the repackaged creationism that’s been dubbed “intelligent design.” The Wedge Strategy is an internal Discovery Institute memo never intended to be released to the public, that was leaked to the Internet in 1999. It spells out their long term plan to “defeat materialism” and science (represented especially by the theory of evolution) and replace it with fundamentalist, evangelical Protestant theism.

The Wikipedia page correlates a lot of the sources and has statements from both scientific critics and “intelligent design” spokesmen: Wedge strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The full text of the Wedge Strategy document is posted on the web here: The Wedge Strategy - Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture.

And here’s a fascinating, detailed look behind the scenes at the Discovery Institute’s promotion of the stealth creationist bill just signed into law by Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal: The Discovery Institute, the LA Family Forum, and the “LA Science Education Act.”

This paragraph is especially pertinent, in light of recent LGF slugfests.

Creationists are always forced to morph into something less recognizable — and, they hope, less legally vulnerable — after losses in federal court. “Creation science” had morphed into “intelligent design” after the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1987 Edwards v. Aguillard ruling barred public schools from teaching it. However, after Kitzmiller, that term, too, is legally dangerous, so DI had to disguise its efforts yet again. Consequently, “intelligent design” creationists now shroud ID in multiple alternative identities: “critical analysis of evolution,” “teaching the controversy,” teaching the “strengths and weaknesses of evolution,” “evidence for and against evolution,” and, in the form of legislation in Louisiana and five other states this year, “academic freedom.” These code terms are instantly recognized by DI’s supporters as announcements of creationist initiatives. However, the local foot soldiers cannot be relied on to stick to the DI terminological playbook. Early in the effort, Sen. Nevers candidly told a reporter that he introduced the legislation on behalf of the LFF because “they believe that scientific data related to creationism should be discussed when dealing with Darwin’s theory.” (emphasis added) After some quick spinning for the media (and probably some additional coaching), Nevers got back on message.

The Discovery Institute has posted a reply to the controversy over the Wedge Strategy: CSC - The ‘Wedge Document’: So What?

The first word in their statement is a typo. It’s been there for years.

Conspircay theorists in the media continue to recycle the urban legend of the “Wedge” document, which Discovery Institute has responded to in the past, in detail.

UPDATE at 6/29/08 8:20:13 am:

I’m glad to report that they finally fixed the typo.

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1 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:10:52pm

They are trying to give us a wedgie.

2 uncleFuzzy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:12:35pm

I have my own 'wedge strategy'. That's why I went to boxers in college.

3 Macker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:12:37pm

re: #1 Shug

They are trying to give us a wedgie.

Robin [smacks fist]: Holy Wedgies, Batman!
Batman: That's right, chum.

4 Shay4l  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:15:17pm

Ack! ID thread

See y'all later or tomorrow

5 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:15:39pm
Creation science” had morphed into “intelligent design”

I prefer the term evolved

6 ContraJihadi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:18:32pm

I am not especially fond of Karl Marx either, but regressing to pre-Kantian dogmatism is not the way to combat Marxism.

Yes, there is quite an agenda in this Wedge, far more than relates to the purported scientific issues.

7 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:18:44pm

Here's some more background information:

Phillip Johnson (he's also an AIDS denialist)
Theistic realism

He (Johnson) criticizes those who accept the understanding of the material world that is presented by methodological naturalism yet still express faith that God exists. Their reasoning draws a dichotomy between faith and science that Johnson considers to be irrational.

8 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:19:07pm

Call me when they take over California or New York.

/this is hardly a threat to our national education system

9 Gordon Marock  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:20:11pm

It is super simple. If you want your kids to leard about ID, send them to a religious school or home school them. I attended a private Jesuit High School, where our Biology class was taught by a teacher who stood directly beneath a crucifix. ID was never mentioned in biology, but Drosophila were mentioned and studied. We had some wild free ranging discussions in religion class, but there was no overlap. ID is not science, and never will be. If you cannot come to grips with the fact that death may be followed by eternal oblivion, don't go to science class. Full stop.

10 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:20:53pm

re: #5 Shug

I prefer the term evolved

Maybe devolved would be better.

11 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:21:09pm
The Discovery Institute has posted a reply to the controversy over the Wedge Strategy: CSC - The ‘Wedge Document’: So What?

Isn't it just the height of intellectual discourse to shrug your shoulders and say "so what?" These people are supposed to be intelligent- yet the best defense they have is "so what?" LAME.

12 victor_yugo  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:22:01pm

Cue the shoutfest.

13 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:22:36pm

re: #8 Killian Bundy

Call me when they take over California or New York.

/this is hardly a threat to our national education system

Not yet it isn't, but that is what the wedge is all about. What we could really use is a wedge against the socialist indoctrination that's going on.

14 psyop  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:23:17pm

re: #5 Shug

LOL!

*spit take*

15 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:23:26pm

re: #10 Syrah

Maybe devolved would be better.


Mutated without a net change in total DNA

16 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:24:09pm

re: #13 CyanSnowHawk

Not yet it isn't

/and it never will be

17 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:24:30pm

Letsss get ready to Ruuuuuuuummble!

18 ContraJihadi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:24:56pm

My cat is meowing for dinner.

Be brave, lizards.

19 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:25:59pm

re: #18 ContraJihadi

My cat is meowing for dinner.

Be brave, lizards.

Yeah, cats eat lizards!

20 Gordon Marock  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:26:00pm

I remember a great discussion in my High School religion class about Trans-substantiation. It went like this:

Me: Can you perform communion with Jack Daniels and Twinkies instead of bread and wine?

teacher: No.

Me: Doesn't that simply place a limit on the molecular structures that the spirit of God can enter into?

teacher: OK, fine, you can use Jack Daniels and Twinkies if that is all you can get ahold of. Next question.

21 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:26:23pm
22 psyop  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:27:40pm

This kind of thing is one of the many reasons we need charter schools, and overall school choice.

If you want to teach your kids "ID", or perhaps anthropogenic global warming, or whatever, send them to a school that adheres to that curriculum.

If no such school exists, please, teach your kids what is important to you.

23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:27:52pm
The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.

- Saint Thomas Aquinas

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:28:33pm

Conspircay!

25 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:29:09pm

I admire those who are trying to raise people's awareness of this. Even following the discussions in LGF Spy can be grueling.

26 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:29:55pm
Phase I is the essential component of everything that comes afterward. Without solid scholarship, research and argument, the project would be just another attempt to indoctrinate instead of persuade. A lesson we have learned from the history of science is that it is unnecessary to outnumber the opposing establishment. Scientific revolutions are usually staged by an initially small and relatively young group of scientists who are not blinded by the prevailing prejudices and who are able to do creative work at the pressure points, that is, on those critical issues upon which whole systems of thought hinge. So, in Phase I we are supporting vital witting and research at the sites most likely to crack the materialist edifice.

Phase II. The pnmary purpose of Phase II is to prepare the popular reception of our ideas. The best and truest research can languish unread and unused unless it is properly publicized. For this reason we seek to cultivate and convince influential individuals in pnnt and broadcast media, as well as think tank leaders, scientists and academics, congressional staff, talk show hosts, college and seminary presidents and faculty, future talent and potential academic allies. Because of his long tenure in politics, journalism and public policy, Discovery President Bruce Chapman brings to the project rare knowledge and acquaintance of key op-ed writers, journalists, and political leaders. This combination of scientific and scholarly expertise and media and political connections makes the Wedge unique, and also prevents it from being "merely academic." Other activities include production of a PBS documentary on intelligent design and its implications, and popular op-ed publishing. Alongside a focus on influential opinion-makers, we also seek to build up a popular base of support among our natural constituency, namely, Chnstians. We will do this primarily through apologetics seminars. We intend these to encourage and equip believers with new scientific evidence's that support the faith, as well as to "popularize" our ideas in the broader culture.

Phase III. Once our research and writing have had time to mature, and the public prepared for the reception of design theory, we will move toward direct confrontation with the advocates of materialist science through challenge conferences in significant academic settings. We will also pursue possible legal assistance in response to resistance to the integration of design theory into public school science curricula. The attention, publicity, and influence of design theory should draw scientific materialists into open debate with design theorists, and we will be ready. With an added emphasis to the social sciences and humanities, we will begin to address the specific social consequences of materialism and the Darwinist theory that supports it in the sciences.

I love how they even foresee needing to use the courts to foist this on the schools, yet it's the anti-IDers who are accused of using leftist tactics and activism with the courts.

27 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:29:57pm

There's no room for discussion when your version of the truth is the only one.

Does that sound familiar?

The truth is not negotiable. It is.

28 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:30:10pm

re: #15 Shug

Mutated without a net change in total DNA

Mutated would work too.

29 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:32:04pm

The following is an excerpt from Neil Shubin's book Your Inner Fish: "In the midst of the press hubbub, my son's preschool teacher asked me to bring in the fossil and describe it. I dutifully brought a cast of Tiktaalik into Nathaniel's class, bracing myself for the chaos that would ensue. The twenty four- and five-year-olds were surprisingly well behaved as I described how we had worked in the Arctic to find the fossil and showed them the animal's sharp teeth. Then I asked what they thought it was. Hands shot up. The first child said it was a crocodile or an alligator. When queried why, he said that like a crocodile or lizard it has a flat head with eyes on top. Big teeth, too. Other children started to voice their dissent. Choosing the raised hand of one of these kids, I heard: No, no, it isn't a crocodile, it is a fish, because it has scales and fins. Yet another child shouted, "Maybe it is both." Tiktaalik's message is so straightforward even preschoolers can see it."

The only excuse that can be accepted for a non-scientific argument against evolution is a person who takes, on faith, the belief that the world is 10,000 to 5,000 years old to be true. Even then, ask someone to explain why there aren't hundreds of examples of modern species being fossilized next to "allegedly" ancient species. Why is there no evidence of man walking alongside velociraptors and the diplodicus?

Here's your out, if you ever feel a bit sheepish about your insistance that observable facts are wrong, citing faith as your only evidence: God intelligently designed a system that scientists recognize as evolution.

30 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:32:19pm

Comparisons to DKos in 5...4...3...

31 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:32:49pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

I admire those who are trying to raise people's awareness of this. Even following the discussions in LGF Spy can be grueling.

I realized that I hadn't posted a thread about the Wedge Strategy yet, even though it really is an important source document to understand the forces at work behind this whole brouhaha.

32 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:33:16pm
33 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:33:28pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

- Saint Thomas Aquinas

Excellent!

The wedge is a dogma that won't hunt.

34 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:34:48pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Conspircay!

Theory.

35 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:35:25pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you.

36 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:37:31pm

I grabbed that Schwinn Voyageur, by the way. Disc brakes and everything for about $200. It ain't the lightest bike, but it's good for errands where it doesn't make sense to take the road bike with the shoes and the clothes, etc.

/flipping the bird to saudi arabia, one grocery trip at a time

37 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:38:11pm

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

38 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:38:21pm

re: #13 CyanSnowHawk

Not yet it isn't, but that is what the wedge is all about. What we could really use is a wedge against the socialist indoctrination that's going on.

Which is vastly more insidious, far-reaching, and damaging than anything Creationists have been able to muster, or will.

Typo? You ought to see some of the emails I receive from professors.

39 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:38:51pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.

-St. Augustine

40 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:38:55pm

re: #16 Killian Bundy

/and it never will be

It has been in the past. The banning of the teaching of evolution the 1910s and 1920s led to the US falling behind in science by the 1950s. Only the Soviet launch of Sputnik reversed that.

41 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:39:26pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

Because that's the way God wanted it!
/

42 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:39:26pm
to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions

*bonk*

43 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:39:27pm

re: #29 DeathtotheSwiss

"Why is there no evidence of man walking alongside velociraptors and the diplodicus?"

What do you mean? There's evidence:
[Link: www.petesmoviepage.com...]

44 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:40:09pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

The answer is simple - apologies to George - we didn't evolve from monkeys or apes. We evolved from ape-like creatures, the primate strain that eventually became Homo Sapiens.

45 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:40:16pm

Here is a song about evolution that explains it all. For this Saturday night thread.....

46 finallyalizard  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:40:26pm

i used to check this blog out to see what was really going on, now I just check in to see how many ID vs. Evo stories Charles is posting. It has really turned into a fun site...YEAH! And yes i expect plenty of "reds" especially from the lizards that live on Charles's nutsack, have fun boys and girls.

47 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:40:40pm

re: #43 MJ

"Why is there no evidence of man walking alongside velociraptors and the diplodicus?"

What do you mean? There's evidence:
[Link: www.petesmoviepage.com...]

Convinced me..... doesn't the T-Rex get indigestion on a diet of humans?

48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:40:59pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

Why would we have different species at all then? Wouldn't one single type of life form make more sense? Or maybe different species found different survival mechanisms in adapting to their habitat.

49 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:41:04pm

Classy creationist!

50 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:41:12pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

i used to check this blog out to see what was really going on, now I just check in to see how many ID vs. Evo stories Charles is posting. It has really turned into a fun site...YEAH! And yes i expect plenty of "reds" especially from the lizards that live on Charles's nutsack, have fun boys and girls.

Buh-bye!

51 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:41:43pm

Usually they just send that stuff in email.

52 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:42:10pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

It has been in the past.

So has the gold standard.

/something else that's not making a comeback in this country

53 Gordon Marock  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:42:11pm

Okay, look. I have rethought my entire position on this issue, because, you know, if science is , like, true, then one day time machines would be invented, so, like, why haven't any time travellers visited us yet?

54 Maximu§  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:42:29pm

I'll just stay outta this one. This Roman Catholic ends up making too many enemies when I speak out, but I'll light a candle for all lgf members in mass tomarrow and I think God does smile down on this website.

55 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:42:54pm

This always gets so nutty. The Creationists fight like they are taking incoming motrars.
Evolution does not defeat God. Did Darwin have it exactly right?
Probably not. If Jaques Coosteau had invented SCUBA gear earlier , Darwin would have been able to view the underwater world.
That might have changed some things, but not the basic concept.
If you have a cat, why? But notice that it does not have saber teeth.

56 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:43:08pm

Wedge:

nature and hurnan beings are created by God

There are "hurnan" beings, too? O wonder!

57 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #54 Maximu§

Your Church supports the teachings of evolution, btw.

58 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:43:20pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

finallyalizard is nolongeralizard.

59 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:43:23pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

i used to check this blog out to see what was really going on, now I just check in to see how many ID vs. Evo stories Charles is posting. It has really turned into a fun site...YEAH! And yes i expect plenty of "reds" especially from the lizards that live on Charles's nutsack, have fun boys and girls.

Are you talking about this one? Or the one behind it?

60 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:44:21pm

I have lizards on my nutsack?

61 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:44:27pm

re: #38 Globular Cluster

Which is vastly more insidious, far-reaching, and damaging than anything Creationists have been able to muster, or will.

Typo? You ought to see some of the emails I receive from professors.

I'm an engineer. Some of the correspondence I get from my coworkers is, disheartening. It's not lolspeak yet, but it is evolving into it.

62 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:44:54pm

re: #53 Gordon Marock

Okay, look. I have rethought my entire position on this issue, because, you know, if science is , like, true, then one day time machines would be invented, so, like, why haven't any time travellers visited us yet?

My return trip is scheduled for tomorrow... uh or was it yesterday, ahhh, let me check the schedule.

63 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:34pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

can you change your name to finallybooted?

64 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:37pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

Humans and other hominids share common ancestors. We didn't evolve from them; we AND they evolved from these common ancestors.

We don't find 5 million year old human fossils, but we don't find 5 million year old gorilla, chimpanzee or orangutan fossils either. We find fossils of extinct hominids from which some of these species evolved. Go back another 20 million years, and you'll find fossils of protohominids from which all of these species evolved - including many now-extinct ones.

65 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:45pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

I dunno, wouldn't hurt to check...
/

*ducks*

66 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:49pm

re: #44 Charles

The answer is simple - apologies to George - we didn't evolve from monkeys or apes. We evolved from ape-like creatures, the primate strain that eventually became Homo Sapiens.

Actually, there is nothing in evolutionary theory that precludes the co-existence of an ancestor and its evolved descendants. In fact, this is common. A given species population can become isolated into groups and only one group acquires the mutation that fuels an evolutionary step.

Carlin's point simply shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution and natural selection.

67 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:49pm

We worry so much about Evolution. Let's argue this vision of heaven...

/They never said anything about Jesus doing any such thing in Sunday school....

68 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:45:50pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?


ouch

69 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:46:35pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

So has the gold standard.

/something else that's not making a comeback in this country

Careful, what comes around can go around again. We all thought there'd never a another jihad, and now look at what we have coming out of the Middle East. They thought there'd never be another big war after WWI. They got into a bigger one.

70 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:46:48pm

re: #43 MJ

"Why is there no evidence of man walking alongside velociraptors and the diplodicus?"

What do you mean? There's evidence:
[Link: www.petesmoviepage.com...]

You've just turned my world upside down!

71 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:46:50pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

Fuck you.

72 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:47:04pm

I see this issue has finally driven Charles over the edge.


TALK TO ACTION is a far left blog that links to DailyKos and the ACLU, among many others. You want to use that to support your argument...feel free, but don't complain when people start questioning your credibility.

I'm not the first one to say this, and I probably won't be the last, but I think you're making a big mistake by pursuing this path....

73 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:47:05pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

Does that make you some sort of marsupial?

74 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:47:06pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

Ick! Get 'em off! Get 'em off!

75 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:47:55pm

re: #46 finallyalizard

In the words of Stan Marsh [NSFW]

I see your working hard at trying to get the bogus "LGF is now DKos" meme to stick.

76 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:47:59pm

I just skimmed through the DI's response to attacks on the Wedge Document and it seems fairly reasonable. I still don't see them as the group of monsters that people claim them to be.

77 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:48:11pm

I think we can all agree the chicken is one damn fine bird.

78 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:48:15pm

You don't remember me
But I remember you
Tears on my pillow
Lizards on my nutsack put there by you oooo ooooo

79 Lizard by the Bay  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:48:48pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

I would have a doctor look at that, Charles.

80 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:48:49pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

/the scientific term is scrotum

81 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:48:51pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

In the words of Stan Marsh [NSFW]

I see your working hard at trying to get the bogus "LGF is now DKos" meme to stick.

Interesting story, finallyalizard has changed his nic to notanymorealizard...

82 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:01pm

re: #36 Charles

In a twisted way I am totally comfortable with the masses drinking the Global Warming™ Kool Aid. The more energy efficient we become the better. The less pollution we emit the better.

That being said, I am not naive enough to believe my carbon dioxide emissions will heat up the planet. Any action we take must be responsible and deal with possible consequences (food prices).

The GW scare will lead to technological advances that will reduce our dependance on fossil fuel, and improve the quality of life for our kids.

83 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:19pm

Another fun tactic of the creationists is outright lying and fraud such as depicted by Henry Morris in The Genesis Flood, or half truths like misrepresenting Karl Popper.

84 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:21pm

re: #80 Killian Bundy

/the scientific term is scrotum

Around our house we just call it extra elbow skin.....

85 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:21pm

Great! Another Saturday night slug fest! I refuse to argue the matter, as far as I am concerned we all evolved from one celled amoeba....

86 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:36pm

re: #80 Killian Bundy

/the scientific term is scrotum

I thought that was a planet near uranus?

87 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:49:57pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

Penicillin should clear that right up.

88 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:50:22pm

re: #54 Maximu§

I'll just stay outta this one. This Roman Catholic ends up making too many enemies when I speak out, but I'll light a candle for all lgf members in mass tomarrow and I think God does smile down on this website.

Just remember that Pope John Paul II issued an encyclical accepting the Theory of Evolution as legitimate science in 1996.

89 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #72 xleatherneck

People might question my credibility? The horror. Why, that's never happened before.

What will I do?

90 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:50:39pm

re: #87 Racer X

Penicillin should clear that right up.

There are topical solutions for it too....

91 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:50:45pm

re: #74 DeathtotheSwiss

Ick! Get 'em off! Get 'em off!

"I have lizards on my nut sack"
Was that not heard coming from the Oval Office during the Clinton years?

92 Timbre  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:50:58pm
BERKELEY, Calif. — In December 2006, protesters angry about campus expansion plans clambered into the branches of a threatened oak grove at the University of California, Berkeley. (FOX News)

The hominoids descended from the trees; the moonbats climb back up. The cycle of evolution continues.

93 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:51:08pm

re: #72 xleatherneck

You've dinged down a lot of articles for quite some time, and have a mere 122 comments since 2006. Quite interesting.

94 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:51:44pm

re: #54 Maximu§

I, like you, like to sit these out. These tend to pull out some really nasty comments.

I will just wait until someone tries to take this topic and wedge it into a thread on...say, terrorism and apple pie recipes, then I lay into them for mucking it up. Usually nicely, but if they are bores, look out.

95 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:51:55pm

re: #88 Salamantis

Just remember that Pope John Paul II issued an encyclical accepting the Theory of Evolution as legitimate science in 1996.

No reason to stay out of it. I think the discussions lately have been much more civil. Probably because many of those prone to explode have been banned....

96 michael78244  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:52:36pm

re: #54 Maximu§

I agree and its a shame that it has gone this far. For the record, I read the Wedge Wiki and it has not changed my mind that Intelligent Design should be discussed in the classroom along with Darwinism. The material does not have to come from DI and no mention of religion needs to be made.

As a wise man once said "And thats all I have to say about that".

97 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:53:17pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

Yahoo.

98 Charles  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:53:18pm

I just checked, and I'm very happy to announce that I do NOT have lizards on my nutsack.

another urban legend

99 Winslow  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:53:47pm

In Defense of “Darwinism”

A Term Paper


Part I: The Dawn of Darwinism

Recently, there has been some controversy regarding the propriety of the term: “Darwinism.” It has been alleged that this term is nothing more than a smear, and should not be used in respectable discourse. In this term paper, I will defend this term.

“Darwinism” has been a legitimate term, in continuous use by leading evolutionary theorists, for nearly one hundred and fifty years. In the late 19th century, the naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, friend and colleague of Darwin, staunch defender of natural selection, and famed discoverer of the Malaysian flying frog, entitled his 1889 book: Darwinism. Strangely, the heir to the Alfred Russel Wallace estate has claimed, with an odd fervor, that Wallace’s publisher chose this title, and that the book should properly be referred to by Wallace’s original working title, Flying Frogism.

In the early 20th century, “Neo-Darwinism” was used to distinguish current theory from the earlier “classical Darwinism.” Throughout the 20th century, the centenarian and preeminent evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr interminably argued in terms of Darwinism, in speech and in his written works. In his Harvard Gazette obituary, Mayr was quoted as saying: “I’m an old-time fighter for Darwinism.” Further, he was said to have said: “I say, ‘Please tell me what is wrong with Darwinism. I can’t see anything wrong with Darwinism.’” In his magnum diatribus, entitled One Long Argument, Mayr, master of the rhetorical device argumentum ad infinitum, laboriously contended: “What is Darwinism? ... Darwinism is not a simple theory that is either true or false but is rather a highly complex research program that is being continuously modified and improved.”

100 Winslow  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:54:26pm

In Defense of "Darwinism"


Part II: Frogism and Beyond

At the dawn of the 21st century, the evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, whose work has been noted by Gibbons, likewise used the term “Darwinism,” as in his 2002 tome The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, Part I, Chapter 2: The Essence of Darwinism and the Basis of Modern Orthodoxy: An Exegesis of the Origin of Species. Gould was subsequently flogged, turned on the rack, and burned at the stake by Creationists, who claimed that Gould’s use of the term “Orthodoxy” scientifically proved that Darwinism is a heretical atheistic religion. Following Gould’s infernal death on May 20, 2002, 5/20 Truthers scientifically proved that the creationist attacks on Gould had actually been orchestrated by Ernst Mayr. On trial for orchestration, Mayr argued his own case, at length. Tragically, on January 3, 2005, while presenting his closing argument, Ernst Mayr was killed in a spectacular kamikaze flying frog attack, orchestrated by the crazed cult leader of the Church of Flying Frogism, Alfred Russel Wallace IV.

So now, ID crusaders are trying to use the term “Darwinism” as a smear. So what? Look how they use the word “theory.” Shall we abandon “theory”? What about “science,” “proof,” and “truth”? You name it, they misuse it. For a century and a half, “Darwinism” has been, dare I say it, a perfectly cromulent word. It should not summarily be thrown under the bus, just because of the mad gyrations of the dancing fools of the Disco Institute.

101 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:54:38pm

re: #98 Charles

It's early yet.

102 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:54:38pm

I can't believe it.

Did a yahoo search for Lizards and Scrotum

there is a video out there. (at [Link: www.spike.com...]

not gonna post the link since it contains nudity but people can find it.

apparently there are lizards on a nut sack!

103 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:54:53pm

re: #98 Charles

I just checked, and I'm very happy to announce that I do NOT have lizards on my nutsack.

another urban legend

It is amazing how many of us are probably able to make that kind of check right now with just a cursory glance downward.

/Blogging in PJs be damned!

104 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:55:48pm

This reminds me of when Ivan, in The Brothers Karamozov, says he finds it easy to believe in God, but impossible to believe in the world.

Or, perhaps, vice-versa?

105 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:55:50pm

re: #96 michael78244

I agree and its a shame that it has gone this far. For the record, I read the Wedge Wiki and it has not changed my mind that Intelligent Design should be discussed in the classroom along with Darwinism. The material does not have to come from DI and no mention of religion needs to be made.

As a wise man once said "And thats all I have to say about that".

Michael:
The ID movement is driven by the Discovery Institute, and it is intended to shape "public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values" The Wedge Strategy is the governs Discovery Institute's campaigns to insert ID into science classes. No one is "projecting" a Christian religion on ID - it is what it is, and what it is, is an attempt to insert evangelical Protestant values and beliefs into the public school system via ID in science classes.

ID and the Discovery Institute cannot be separated, in the case of ID in science classes.

106 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:56:05pm

re: #98 Charles

I just checked, and I'm very happy to announce that I do NOT have lizards on my nutsack.

another urban legend

Did you look underneath? Look harder. These may be miniature lizards.

107 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:56:10pm

re: #96 michael78244

Considering that Intelligent Design necessates a designer of some kind, how do you propse teaching without:

A. A supernatural designer of some kind, i.e. God, or
B. Space aliens being the designer.

Either way, it is not falsifiable, and therefore not science. You might as well teach Chariots of the Gods as fact then. It is no different than teaching Intelligent Design as science.

108 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:56:17pm

re: #82 Racer X

I think you miss the over lying theme to global warming fanaticism.
It's not about saving the planet, it's about creating socialism and consolidating power in the hands of government.
Same objective Liberals have always had. Just put in a new package for sale.

109 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:56:45pm

re: #96 michael78244

I agree and its a shame that it has gone this far. For the record, I read the Wedge Wiki and it has not changed my mind that Intelligent Design should be discussed in the classroom along with Darwinism. The material does not have to come from DI and no mention of religion needs to be made.

As a wise man once said "And thats all I have to say about that".

No, because Evolution is science. Belief in God is faith.
I believe in God, but that belief is not given to scientific inquiry.
Science is science and Faith is Faith. Bad idea to mix them.

110 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:56:45pm

Does this thread mean I can finally quit perusing the "Creationist Bill Signed by Jindal" thread?

111 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:57:04pm

If Barack Obama thought he had lizards on his nutsack, would he look down or call his wife to ask?

112 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:57:11pm

re: #106 Globular Cluster

Did you look underneath? Look harder. These may be miniature lizards.

Would you like him to describe the actual check? I am sure there some websites out there that cater to that.....

113 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:57:28pm

re: #72 xleatherneck

I see this issue has finally driven Charles over the edge.


TALK TO ACTION is a far left blog that links to DailyKos and the ACLU, among many others. You want to use that to support your argument...feel free, but don't complain when people start questioning your credibility.

I'm not the first one to say this, and I probably won't be the last, but I think you're making a big mistake by pursuing this path....


I'd question the path if it weren't one he didn't want to go. You can't ask Charles to support something he doesn't believe in or hold back just because his position is going to offend a few allies in other subjects.

Charles isn't asking you to drop your faith, he's not asking any of us to do that. This is his website and he can do whatever he wants with it. And, speaking as a member of a growing minority of secular conservatives (though definitely not a representative of them) I have to say this is an issue that needs attention.

Having the government teach your child religion is so far away from a conservative idea that it smacks of leftism. Why on Earth can't you teach your own children your religion without having everyone else's child taught that way too?

114 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:57:32pm

re: #111 brainwizard73

If Barack Obama thought he had lizards on his nutsack, would he look down or call his wife to ask?

There is no nut sack. NEVER!

baghdad bob

115 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:00pm

Here are the first two paragraphs of the Wedge document:

The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built.

True.

Its influence can be detected in most, if not all, of the West's greatest achievements, including representative democracy, human rights, free enterprise, and progress in the arts and sciences.

True again.

Yet a little over a century ago, this cardinal idea came under wholesale attack by intellectuals drawing on the discoveries of modern science.

Note the wiggle word, "intellectuals." This enables the writer to paint scientists later with the same brush used to tar (justly) Marx and Freud. They go wrong at precisely this point. The problem isn't the scientific method, but "intellectuals" who use materialism to pull all kinds of shenanigans. Why don't they just go after those "intellectuals," and leave actual science alone?

Debunking the traditional conceptions of both God and man, thinkers such as Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, and Sigmund Freud portrayed humans not as moral and spiritual beings, but as animals or machines who inhabited a universe ruled by purely impersonal forces and whose behavior and very thoughts were dictated by the unbending forces of biology, chemistry, and environment.

Darwin, however, wasn't a cynical ideologue like the other two.

You know, it's possible to worry about stupid materialists and confront their ideas without attacking science itself.

116 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:02pm

re: #13 CyanSnowHawk

Not yet it isn't, but that is what the wedge is all about. What we could really use is a wedge against the socialist indoctrination that's going on.

Freetoken brought up an excellent point this morning. We combat this with better education on civics, the American form of government, and probably history too.

117 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:25pm

#89 Charles
People might question my credibility? The horror. Why, that's never happened before.
What will I do?


I'm talking about people who are loyal to this site.

Go ahead, make light of it, it's your site, and your reputation....

118 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:27pm

I thought the intersection of Carlin's passing with the ID discussions was somewhat timely. Thank you for all comments. I'm just an Apeman.

119 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:44pm

re: #111 brainwizard73

If Barack Obama thought he had lizards on his nutsack, would he look down or call his wife to ask?

He's throw it under the bus.

/ouch.

120 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:58:54pm

re: #114 Shug

I just couldn't resist.

121 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 5:59:05pm

re: #98 Charles

I just checked, and I'm very happy to announce that I do NOT have lizards on my nutsack.

another urban legend

Sorry Chuck, not going to buy it until there's been an independent investigation into the matter.

122 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:00:05pm

re: #117 xleatherneck

If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

123 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:00:21pm

re: #103 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

It is amazing how many of us are probably able to make that kind of check right now with just a cursory glance downward.

/Blogging in PJs be damned!

eww, I did not need that picture in my head.

124 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:00:28pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Your citation is directly in contradiction with the response of the DI cited above.

125 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:00:35pm

I'm kinda tired of low time lizards, still damp with shells on their backs coming in here and dropping steaming piles.

You're saying absolutely nothing new. It shows a complete ignorance of the previous discussions on the topic. It's nothing but a fart in a cotillion.

Either add something fresh, debate the topic or STFU and crawl back under your rock.

126 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #122 MandyManners

If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

And then the Scientologists as well...

127 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:01:13pm

re: #112 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

Um, no.

/the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my your sockpuppet's sockpuppet

128 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:01:15pm

Lizards carved from nuts.

For your viewing pleasure and enlightenment.

129 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:01:35pm

I wonder how many Darwinist will have a death-bed conversion?

130 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:01:46pm

re: #95 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

I guess you weren't here last night/this morning, when a certain drunken someone might have set a record for highest number of deletions in one thread.

(I haven't been here long enough to know for certain.)

131 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:01:59pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

Why is everybody looking at me?

132 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:24pm

#93 Honorary Yooper
You've dinged down a lot of articles for quite some time, and have a mere 122 comments since 2006. Quite interesting.

That's because you're an idiot. I've never dinged any comments, up or down, so please, stop spreading lies.

133 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:26pm

re: #126 DeathtotheSwiss

And then the Scientologists as well...

Will Tom Cruise be jumping on the couches in teachers' lounges?

134 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:28pm

re: #98 Charles

I just checked, and I'm very happy to announce that I do NOT have lizards on my nutsack.

another urban legend


Man I hope not. That would not be very comfortable.

135 MacGregor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:45pm

Happy Saturday night all! Sagan speculated re: #121 DeathtotheSwiss

Sorry Chuck, not going to buy it until there's been an independent investigation into the matter.

Oh no, not a throbbing nutsack!

136 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #127 Killian Bundy

Um, no.

/the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my your sockpuppet's sockpuppet

How right you are. Please note that the previous post was only done with love.

137 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:02:58pm

re: #129 n in wi

The Subgenius church preaches that you should join as many religions as possible before dying. You know...to cover your ass...

138 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:03:03pm

re: #129 n in wi

I wonder how many Darwinist will have a death-bed conversion?

I'm wondering where oh where is my SUMMER !

139 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:03:39pm

re: #108 n in wi

Nah - I get that part too.

I'm just thinking about what my kids will have to deal with in 50 years.

I want the flying cars and moving sidewalks and stuff like we were promised when we were kids!

140 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:03:39pm

re: #129 n in wi

I wonder how many Darwinist will have a death-bed conversion?

Very disingenuous. You are equating science and atheism to make your version of religion look better. Heal thyself first, and leave the rest of us practicing Christians who don't believe your literalist tripe alone.

141 MacGregor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:03:48pm

pimf - what a mess

142 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #36 Charles

I grabbed that Schwinn Voyageur, by the way. Disc brakes and everything for about $200. It ain't the lightest bike, but it's good for errands where it doesn't make sense to take the road bike with the shoes and the clothes, etc.

/flipping the bird to saudi arabia, one grocery trip at a time

I used to love my Schwinn trashbike, it not only develops character Charles, but also makes you cherish the finer cycles in life.

143 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:04pm

re: #130 Josephine

I guess you weren't here last night/this morning, when a certain drunken someone might have set a record for highest number of deletions in one thread.

(I haven't been here long enough to know for certain.)

Who, please?

144 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:05pm

I'll be glad to see another Saturday Night Music Thread.

145 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:15pm

re: #128 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

Lizards carved from nuts.

For your viewing pleasure and enlightenment.

Is your avatar a young George Galloway?

Side note: explain the evolution of the creature on the right.

146 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:30pm

re: #132 xleatherneck

#93 Honorary Yooper
You've dinged down a lot of articles for quite some time, and have a mere 122 comments since 2006. Quite interesting.

That's because you're an idiot. I've never dinged any comments, up or down, so please, stop spreading lies.

Very disingenuous, you've dinged down quite a few articles on ID. Want me to show you?

147 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:35pm

re: #129 n in wi

I wonder how many Darwinist will have a death-bed conversion?

I had to ding you down. Believing in science does not make one an atheist.

148 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:04:52pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

no doubt checking his nut sack for ...lizards

149 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:01pm

re: #122 MandyManners

If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

Dear Mandy, you ain't said shit. They will demand their Dear Prophet & all the Allah crap. Superstition will rule!

150 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:06pm

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Very disingenuous, you've dinged down quite a few articles on ID. Want me to show you?

Yes!

151 ted  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:09pm

Nutsacks can support amphibians as well as reptles:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

152 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:14pm

re: #130 Josephine

I guess you weren't here last night/this morning, when a certain drunken someone might have set a record for highest number of deletions in one thread.

(I haven't been here long enough to know for certain.)

And someone was blogging while drunk? Shocking!

153 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:27pm

Man, there typos all over that document. Was it OCR'd and never checked?

in Phase I we are supporting vital witting and research

All in favor of vital witting, say aye.

154 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:28pm

re: #124 Globular Cluster

I'm sorry - I'm dense - I don't get what you're trying to tell me.

155 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:34pm

re: #70 DeathtotheSwiss

You've just turned my world upside down!

Yeah, it's pretty powerful evidence.
So is this one:

[Link: timesonline.typepad.com...]

156 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:36pm

re: #139 Racer X

Nah - I get that part too.

I'm just thinking about what my kids will have to deal with in 50 years.

I want the flying cars and moving sidewalks and stuff like we were promised when we were kids!

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

157 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:05:51pm

re: #144 godfrey

I'll be glad to see another Saturday Night Music Thread.


Here is my song nomination

158 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:06:13pm

re: #130 Josephine

That was so appalling. I've never been embarrassed by my own patience before, but... that did it.

159 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:06:23pm

re: #140 Honorary Yooper

huh? I see nothing wrong with n in wi's comment. Would not a Darwinist not beleive in ID, and by extension in all that follows? So a "conversion" would mena he would hope that there IS something beyond this existence

160 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:06:28pm

re: #149 opnion

Dear Mandy, you ain't said shit. They will demand their Dear Prophet & all the Allah crap. Superstition will rule!

This is why I send The Kid to a private, religious school. He learns science in science classes and religion in chapel.

161 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:07:02pm

re: #155 MJ

Yeah, it's pretty powerful evidence.
So is this one:

[Link: timesonline.typepad.com...]

Lack of globular cluster proves that's a fake try again.

162 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:07:25pm

once again,the arguement is whether id should be taught in a public schools' science class.
What someone believes is their own buisness.when it comes to creation,My opinion is no better than anyone elses(wasn't there,didn't see it.)but that being said,id no more belongs in a science class than any other religious teaching.

163 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:07:46pm

re: #151 ted

Nutsacks can support amphibians as well as reptles:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

I love the picture of the person calling to tell someone that she got crabs from them. She looks so happy. I doubt that would be the case. (I wouldn't know, sockpuppets aren't good breeding grounds for crabs, evolution and all has made us immune).

164 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:03pm

re: #147 MandyManners

I had to ding you down. Believing in science does not make one an atheist.

Point taken. I should not have assumed they are not compatible.

165 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:08pm

re: #160 MandyManners

This is why I send The Kid to a private, religious school. He learns science in science classes and religion in chapel.

I admire that, You have your head screwed on. We did the same thing

166 Milk Toast Intolerant  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:21pm

re: #92 Timbre

The hominoids descended from the trees; the moonbats climb back up. The cycle of evolution continues.

I don't care which side of the debate you're on; that right there is funny.

167 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:21pm

re: #126 DeathtotheSwiss

don't bring the blessed great lord xenu into this!

168 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:42pm

re: #145 jcm

Is your avatar a young George Galloway?

Side note: explain the evolution of the creature on the right.

I wish. He's so dreamy.

169 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:47pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

I'm sorry - I'm dense - I don't get what you're trying to tell me.

Did you read the DI response that Charles posted?

170 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:08:55pm

re: #148 n in wi

no doubt checking his nut sack for ...lizards

Nope non on mine.

171 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:09:00pm

re: #160 MandyManners

My thoughts too.

172 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:09:02pm

re: #156 DeathtotheSwiss

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

LOL!

173 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:09:03pm

re: #160 MandyManners

This is why I send The Kid to a private, religious school. He learns science in science classes and religion in chapel.

A very lucky kid. Very.

174 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:09:16pm

re: #165 opnion

Tuition is going through the roof.

175 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:09:18pm

Hey- I know!

Maybe some people should, you know- read the links Charles provided, to get a better understanding on what it is they're talking about before they continue on spouting rhetoric directly lifted from the people promoting this Very Bad Idea™.

176 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:10:05pm

re: #145 jcm

Is your avatar a young George Galloway?

Side note: explain the evolution of the creature on the right.

As for the question, its confusing, he's confused....

177 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:10:42pm

re: #171 Shug

It's a more rounded education than he would get in public schools.

178 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Tuition is going through the roof.

Ah, wait until college. Otta sight!

179 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:11:03pm

re: #173 NY Nana

Thanks, Nana! How're your grandbabies?

180 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:11:26pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?
George Carlin

Discuss

My grandfather came from England, but there's still an England.

181 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:11:35pm

re: #129 n in wi

I wonder how many Darwinist will have a death-bed conversion?

Who cares?

What has that got to do with teaching religious dogma in science class?

I.D. is fundamentalist Christian young-earth creationism dressed up as science. It is not science. It does not stand up to the rigors of science.

Science teachers should teach science in science class. No more, no less. Science class = science lessons.

182 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:11:45pm

re: #161 jcm

Lack of globular cluster proves that's a fake try again.

Well, there always this place:

[Link: creationmuseum.org...]

183 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:12:23pm

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

184 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:12:24pm

re: #178 opnion

Ah, wait until college. Otta sight!

Sshhhhhhh.

185 once and future angeleno  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:12:46pm

Friends, it's a free country; the Demobrats want us all drinking *their* brand of KoolAid, but we know we don't like that brand. Do we want to take the same approach to others on this issue -- one idea, one party, one way to view biology?

So what if there are folks who hold what some (many) of us think are outmoded ideas? True, teaching in public schools should not be limited to religious dogma, but that doesn't mean we need to ridicule people who haven't see the evolutionary light.

We ought to be humble enough to recognize that there are lots of things we don't know, and that includes all the intricate bits of natural history. We should allow others to go down a different path -- as long as it doesn't include flying airplanes into tall buildings.

In high school in the great Midwest, I recall a rather dense fellow student with beady little eyes who set her jaw and said "How can they take one little tiny bone and claim they know it came from a big dinosaur and know what the dinosaur looked like?" A reasonable question, even if she was not susceptible to a reasonable answer. But this is nothing like the aforesaid airplanes-and-buildings believers.

The Amish don't believe in electricity or vaccinations, but we don't ridicule them. Chill.

186 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:12:59pm

re: #183 Thanos

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

I was wondering about that, too.

187 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:13:05pm

re: #125 jcm

Amen, Lizard!

188 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:13:29pm

Here's what I do not get. Let's say Genesis is a liturgical document, not a historical record, and its story was never intended to function as a literal rendering of the creation of the universe. Let's say it's more like a figurative parable. Even if you grant all that, Genesis, like a parable, can still be true. It could still be true that God created the universe, that certain things happened first, second, third, etc., and that the latest event, as far as we're concerned, was our own emergence, and our extraordinary nature and relative position among species. The basic truths of Genesis is that God is massively powerful, loving, and creative, and that we are powerful, loving, creative creatures, i.e. made in the image of God. Why would any evangelical protestant be threatened by the way this story is told? Why is their conception of Biblical truthfulness so limited?

190 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:13:35pm

re: #183 Thanos

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

God bless the USMC!

191 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:14:00pm

re: #37 solomonpanting

If man conservatives evolved from monkeys moonbats and apes progressives , why do we still have monkeys and apes? moonbats and progressives


Shug

Discuss

192 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:14:04pm

re: #185 once and future angeleno

The Amish don't try to shove their beliefs down our throats or the throats of our kids.

193 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:14:23pm

re: #129 n in wi

what if god used evolution to create man?

194 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:14:42pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Sshhhhhhh.

I'm sorry,but I am paying in state tuition & holy crap!

195 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:15:18pm

re: #185 once and future angeleno

not buying it

196 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:15:21pm

re: #169 Globular Cluster

Did you read the DI response that Charles posted?

Yes. So, the "creator" they are talking about - this is the creator recognized by . . . who? Hindus?

197 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #193 Boondock St. Bender

what if god used evolution to create man?

Thats it! We have a winner!

198 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:15:41pm

re: #193 Boondock St. Bender

what if god used evolution to create man?

What if? I don't understand why that is so offensive to people.

199 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:16:44pm

re: #192 MandyManners

The Amish don't try to shove their beliefs down our throats or the throats of our kids.

thats because they don't have cars and can't get to our kids

200 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:16:47pm

re: #198 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

It offends them because it attacks the way they think the Bible is true.

201 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:04pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

It has been in the past. The banning of the teaching of evolution the 1910s and 1920s led to the US falling behind in science by the 1950s. Only the Soviet launch of Sputnik reversed that.

This is balderdash.

1) The teaching of evolution was banned only in certain states and localities. It was taught in most public schools before the 1957 launch of Sputnik.
2) There is no evidence that the US was "behind" the Soviet Union in science at any time. The launching of Sputnik in 1957 surprised us only because we thought we were much further ahead than we were.
We had also underestimated the resources they were pouring into the space program.
3) Twelve short years after Sputnik we put a man on the moon. The scientists who did it were educated before teaching evolution in public schools was universal. In any case, evolutionary theory hasn't got a thing to do with it.

Let's not use bad, comic-book history to argue against the DI's pseudo-science.

202 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:05pm

re: #198 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

Neither do i .(not in the buisness of telling god how to run things)

203 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:10pm

re: #143 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet

Someone with a faster, newer computer than mine (science!) will have to help us out: I don't remember his nic or the title of the thread. (Sorry; my memory is bad.) It's actually kind of sad and scary, not funny at all.

204 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:33pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

thats because they don't have cars and can't get to our kids

Yeah, but look at the price of gas!

205 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:34pm

re: #181 Josephine

Perhaps more importantly, we need to keep our eye on the bigger picture, BECAUSE of the ease of saying, "Well, I'll just have my (our) kids taught the way I want them to be taught..."

If we're talking about 'learning how to reason', that can be good.

But remember that it is VERY DIS-UNIFYING, very Balkanizing for Americans to just shrug and say, 'Let them learn their Creationist ID stuff... WE are studying REAL science...'

In a few years we can hardly talk to each other...

/oh, wait! That's how it is now...

206 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:36pm

#113 DeathtotheSwiss

207 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:17:58pm

re: #181 Josephine

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total

208 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:18:07pm

re: #201 wolfie

Actually, wolfie, the launch of Sputnik didn't surprise us. General Medaris knew about it. He didn't let on because he knew it would scare the country into action.

209 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:18:10pm

re: #203 Josephine

Someone with a faster, newer computer than mine (science!) will have to help us out: I don't remember his nic or the title of the thread. (Sorry; my memory is bad.) It's actually kind of sad and scary, not funny at all.

murtaq - or something similar. Is that the one?

210 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:18:44pm

re: #60 Charles

I have lizards on my nutsack?

better 'n nutsacks on yer lizard..I'm just sayin'...

211 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:18:45pm

re: #207 n in wi

There is fossil data to prove evolition

212 loveguru  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:18:48pm

re: #193 Boondock St. Bender

Then you are not intellactual... World top Intelactual is a Islamist and Creationist ..... Check my the link i posted in Spinoff. and analyze yourself...

Oh, i just forgot to add.... 6th Top intellactual 2008 is Tariq Ramadan with respect to that list...

213 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:12pm

re: #200 godfrey

It offends them because it attacks the way they think the Bible is true.

I know. Sigh.

214 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:33pm

re: #188 godfrey

Because they subscribe to a literal interpretation. Interestingly enough, when The Fundamentals came out, there was hardly even a mention of evolution, Darwin or On the Origin of Species. Their main problem was with another book that came out around the same time, The Life of Jesus Critically Examined, by David F. Strauss. Couple with Seventh Day Adventists, and you have the modern fundamentalist creation movement.

215 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:33pm

re: #188 godfrey

Here's what I do not get. Let's say Genesis is a liturgical document, not a historical record, and its story was never intended to function as a literal rendering of the creation of the universe. Let's say it's more like a figurative parable. Even if you grant all that, Genesis, like a parable, can still be true. It could still be true that God created the universe, that certain things happened first, second, third, etc., and that the latest event, as far as we're concerned, was our own emergence, and our extraordinary nature and relative position among species. The basic truths of Genesis is that God is massively powerful, loving, and creative, and that we are powerful, loving, creative creatures, i.e. made in the image of God. Why would any evangelical protestant be threatened by the way this story is told? Why is their conception of Biblical truthfulness so limited?

Frankly because their view of Christianity is limited. Virtually every denomination out their has their interpretation of what the correct view of scripture is. They cling to dogma instead of seeking God and truth. I grew up in a family of generations of preachers, left, and returned to Christianity. I know some of the "inside" stuff.

They find a comfortable spot, and instead of pursing, seeking God and truth. Defend a point with fanatical vigor. And miss everything else.

216 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:48pm

This problem will never be resolved so long as politicians and government bureaucrats are involved in the education system.

We could beat the DI trogs back for a day or even a year but they and others with similar intent to use the authority of the state to impose their weltanschauung on the young will always come back to try again.

So long as the education system exist in the political realm it will be susceptible to the whims and vagaries of the shifting dogmas within our culture.

217 Sabnen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:51pm

This past year we had a Sunday School Teacher for adults who I just loved. We would discuss, among other things, Intelligent Design. Whenever the discussion got too wired up by some in the class he would pop up two pictures on the overhead screen.

On the left was a picture of the new $27 million dollar fundamentalist Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky and on the right a starving child with the caption below saying "I can be fed for only 25 cents a day."

It always left the fundamentally minded speechless and told them to put their money where there mouths were and that acts are more important than words and theory.

218 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:19:52pm

re: #202 Boondock St. Bender

Exactly.

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:20:08pm

re: #207 n in wi

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total

One is based on the use of the scientific method to create a hypothesis to test a theory, the other is based on "Because we say so". Which one belongs in a science class?

220 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:20:09pm

re: #115 godfrey

AMEN ! Well said!

221 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:20:45pm

re: #211 Shug

There is fossil data to prove evolition

Which whateverSUARUS did we evelve from ?

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:01pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Which whateverSUARUS did we evelve from ?

EVOLVE ,,, PIMF

223 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:16pm

re: #158 Sharmuta

That was so appalling. I've never been embarrassed by my own patience before, but... that did it.

Please don't be embarrassed by your kindness, Shar. You reached out and appealed to reason and past shared commonalities but he was too far gone. At least you know you tried. Maybe one day he'll realize it and understand that you tried to help him.

224 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:24pm

re: #207 n in wi

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total

No, there is a scientific underpining for Evolution. It is unfair to try to toss Faith in to it , Faith by defintion is unproveable.

225 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:49pm

re: #207 n in wi

Where in WI are you?

226 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:51pm

re: #222 sattv4u2

EVOLVE ,,, PIMF

Back in line, you need another round of evolution of the spelling genes.

227 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:21:58pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Which whateverSUARUS did we evelve from ?

We didn't. If you're looking for our ancestors, you need to look at the small furry mammals underfoot of the SUARUSes.

228 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:22:00pm

re: #193 Boondock St. Bender

what if god used evolution to create man?

An absolute possibility in my mind. We need not eliminate any mention of God from the equation.

229 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:22:01pm

re: #196 reine.de.tout

Yes. So, the "creator" they are talking about - this is the creator recognized by . . . who? Hindus?

It doesn't matter. Apparently you don't understand the Enlightenment roots of the Declaration of Independence.

Address their point. The influence of God on Western civilization, whether justified or not, has been been great, and is simply a fact. Nothing more, nothing less.

230 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:22:06pm

Speking of DARWINism. Someone today climbed over a fence in a restricted area at SIX FLAGS/ Georgia and was decapitated by the BATMAN ride !

231 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:02pm

re: #230 sattv4u2

Speking of DARWINism. Someone today climbed over a fence in a restricted area at SIX FLAGS/ Georgia and was decapitated by the BATMAN ride !

And of course the tool's family is going to sue. The fence is there for a REASON!

232 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:04pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Which whateverSUARUS did we evelve from ?


flavaflavisaurus

233 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:09pm

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One is based on the use of the scientific method to create a hypothesis to test a theory, the other is based on "Because we say so". Which one belongs in a science class?

Just so.

234 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:21pm

re: #212 loveguru

Then you are not intellactual...

thats the best compliment i've had all day...(had a security guard tell me a had a cute butt,..for an old guy.this tops even that!)

235 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:27pm

re: #230 sattv4u2

Speking of DARWINism. Someone today climbed over a fence in a restricted area at SIX FLAGS/ Georgia and was decapitated by the BATMAN ride !

I tried warning them.

236 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:32pm

re: #223 Josephine

Who was he? I somehow managed to miss this by going to learn dances, and then going to bed.

237 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:23:40pm

re: #231 jcm

And of course the tool's family is going to sue. The fence is there for a REASON!

2 fences, actually

238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:10pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Which whateverSUARUS did we evelve from ?

Dont know yet. Science was busy proving the world was round, that the earth revolves around the sun, that man could fly and other such "truths" that were thought to be heretical at one time so the study of evolution has lagged a bit.

239 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:12pm

re: #235 Bat Boy

I tried warning them.

hehehehehe

240 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:19pm

re: #183 Thanos

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

How many Marines do you know that would tell someone else to "watch what you say, you might offend someone"?

241 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:21pm

re: #228 n in wi

Oops, sorry, bad ding. Thought you said something different. My bad.

242 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:24pm

#113 DeathtotheSwiss
I have to say this is an issue that needs attention.

This is an issue that has no clear lines of demarcation (unlike the preeminent issue this website is intended for) and only causes chaos....something that we don't need right now. That's just my opinion though, comical as it is to some...

243 loveguru  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:26pm

re: #213 the sockpuppet of my sockpuppet is my sockpuppet
re: #230 sattv4u2

so did God created Infidels too in the same way, as he created the believers ?

244 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:36pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

2 fences, actually


I hope Six Flags sues the family for any damages to the coaster

245 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:36pm

re: #236 Honorary Yooper

It was Murqtaad.

246 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:24:49pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

2 fences, actually

I wonder if he's parents every said no to him.

247 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:25:17pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont know yet. Science was busy proving the world was round, that the earth revolves around the sun, that man could fly and other such "truths" that were thought to be heretical at one time so the study of evolution has lagged a bit.

Gee, you would have thunk that would have been near the top of the list of THINGS TO DO, instead of inventing things like PAM or VELCRO !

248 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #231 jcm

And of course the tool's family is going to sue. The fence is there for a REASON!

Not just one fence, but TWO fences.

249 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:25:44pm

re: #244 Shug

I hope Six Flags sues the family for any damages to the coaster

The patrons sue for the inconvenience of the ride being shut down.
Fire department charges for the response and clean up.

250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:26:00pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

Gee, you would have thunk that would have been near the top of the list of THINGS TO DO, instead of inventing things like PAM or VELCRO !

You got to pay the bills first.

251 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:26:21pm

re: #243 loveguru

re: #230 sattv4u2

so did God created Infidels too in the same way, as he created the believers ?

Bat Boy, the missing-est of links, say yessss!

Bat Boy, Out!

252 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:26:25pm

re: #230 sattv4u2

That was someone's child, and so many others saw it, and will never forget the horror they witnessed on what was to be a fun day at an amusement park.

May he rest in peace.

Look up 'compassion' and 'empathy' in the dictionary.

253 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:26:32pm

re: #242 xleatherneck

#113 DeathtotheSwiss
I have to say this is an issue that needs attention.

This is an issue that has no clear lines of demarcation (unlike the preeminent issue this website is intended for) and only causes chaos....something that we don't need right now. That's just my opinion though, comical as it is to some...

It's Charles' website. It's "intended" for whatever he wants to talk about.

254 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:26:57pm

re: #242 xleatherneck

This is an issue that has no clear lines of demarcation (unlike the preeminent issue this website is intended for)

You mean, like, um, cycling?

255 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:04pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont know yet. Science was busy proving the world was round, that the earth revolves around the sun, that man could fly and other such "truths" that were thought to be heretical at one time so the study of evolution has lagged a bit.


As Galileo said leaving the Court, 'It's still round."

256 michael78244  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:15pm

re: #231 jcm

And of course the tool's family is going to sue. The fence is there for a REASON!

Ah, but was there a warning that said climbing this fence may cause decapitation?

257 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:17pm

re: #240 DeathtotheSwiss

How many Marines do you know that would tell someone else to "watch what you say, you might offend someone"?


zero

258 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:25pm

re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth

You mean, like, um, cycling?

No, programming.

259 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:33pm

re: #229 Globular Cluster

It doesn't matter. Apparently you don't understand the Enlightenment roots of the Declaration of Independence.

Address their point. The influence of God on Western civilization, whether justified or not, has been been great, and is simply a fact. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is not an excuse to try to subvert the Constitution and the Establishment Clause.

This country was founded by people FLEEING theocracies- Christian theocracies, at that. Would you uphold only one aspect of our founding and deny another?

260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:51pm

Here is a question for a creationist: You're saying God's plan could not cover billions of years and rely on a process called evolution to work? Plenty of other of God's miracles have an observable scientific procss, why discount evolution as another of his miracles?

261 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:27:57pm

Madrasahs don't teach the scientific method.
Look how advanced they are.

I need 2 advils after typing that, just developed a splitting headache.

262 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:28:02pm

re: #228 n in wi

Yes, it seems evangelical protestants often use "creation" to speak of a past event, when in fact, it is clearly ongoing. To speak of God's creativity is to speak of it as an ongoing process, which makes a lot of logical sense, because God is not "in" time like the rest of us, but outside of it, above it, transcending time altogether. To God, "creation" is what God perceives total simul (all at once). So yes, the entire span of evolution -- past, present, and future -- is all part of one incomprehensibly massive creative Act.

263 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:28:28pm

Any more dramatic exits?

264 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:28:50pm

The thing that bothers me most about the DI institute and the movements behind them is that they are clearly a sidelined minority in Christianity. Where faith should bring strength, they bring weakness in the form of subterfuge and lies. Where faith should bring peace and joy, they foster vitriol and hate. Where faith should be abiding, they tremble before reality and empircal evidence of the universe the G-D they believed in created. Where faith should help others they instead profit and build temples to falsity (see the instructional post above about the $27 million dollar creationism museum while we know people starve.)

Is that Christianity? I say no, that instead it is Christianity warped by a dark lens of narrow minds.

265 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:10pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

I demand the Space Pope avatar or I'm leaving!

266 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:17pm

#122 MandyManners
If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

I'm not advocating for Intelligent Design, but I am advocating that this website regain it's bearings and sanity...

267 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:25pm

re: #240 DeathtotheSwiss

How many Marines do you know that would tell someone else to "watch what you say, you might offend someone"?

Zero.

268 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:25pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Any more dramatic exits?

I shall be flipping my cape around me, and in a puff of smoke flying out the window in a few minutes....

269 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:33pm

re: #256 michael78244

Ah, but was there a warning that said climbing this fence may cause decapitation?

There is now, leave his head on it.

270 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:48pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

thats because they don't have cars and can't get to our kids

LOL!

Seriously, I've never known an Amish person to be pushy with her/his beliefs.

271 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:29:54pm

re: #207 n in wi

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total

I.D. does not stand up to the rigors of science. Evolution does. Therefore, evolution qualifies to be taught in science class and I.D. does not.

Have you read the Wedge Strategy?

272 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:30:15pm

re: #264 Thanos

The thing that bothers me most about the DI institute and the movements behind them is that they are clearly a sidelined minority in Christianity. Where faith should bring strength, they bring weakness in the form of subterfuge and lies. Where faith should bring peace and joy, they foster vitriol and hate. Where faith should be abiding, they tremble before reality and empircal evidence of the universe the G-D they believed in created. Where faith should help others they instead profit and build temples to falsity (see the instructional post above about the $27 million dollar creationism museum while we know people starve.)

Is that Christianity? I say no, that instead it is Christianity warped by a dark lens of narrow minds.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

273 RTLM  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:30:37pm

OT
Surinam Pipa Toad (medium gross warning)

274 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:30:41pm

re: #252 NY Nana

chances are that he was probably trying to retrieve something.(wallet,glasses,etc.)i wouldn't have done it myself,but i cannot see the justification in suing the park.
you raise a very good point.he was someones kid.sad story really.

275 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:30:47pm

I'm going to open a bottle and raise a toast to hominids.

276 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:30:47pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

murtaq - or something similar. Is that the one?

Yes.

277 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:31:03pm

re: #266 xleatherneck

#122 MandyManners
If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

I'm not advocating for Intelligent Design, but I am advocating that this website regain it's bearings and sanity...

This website was sane? Crap, what the URL for Sweetness and Light? If this place get 'sane' by xleathernecks standards, I. Am. Outy!

278 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:31:32pm

re: #273 RTLM

OT
Surinam Pipa Toad (medium gross warning)

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That's cooool!

279 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:31:40pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

Ok,

280 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:28pm

re: #273 RTLM

OT
Surinam Pipa Toad (medium gross warning)

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Some Clearisel would help with that immediately.

281 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:34pm

All this talk of lizards and nutsacks has led us away from another important alternative to the Darwinian worldview and ID. What about the Turtles All The Way Down hypothesis? Turtles All The Way Down makes as much sense, and has as much place in the classroom as ID.

282 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:34pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Any more dramatic exits?

Kirly just did one in the Lounge about 1/2 an hour ago when the topic [ID] was mentioned. Left in a huff when some of us disagreed with her about Scripture.

283 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:52pm

re: #274 Boondock St. Bender

chances are that he was probably trying to retrieve something.(wallet,glasses,etc.)i wouldn't have done it myself,but i cannot see the justification in suing the park.
you raise a very good point.he was someones kid.sad story really.

nope, from the report the local Atlanta station just sent thru here (work) to CNN says he was part of a larger group that scaled both fences to get in free

284 loveguru  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:56pm

re: #251 Bat Boy

What must i do ? becuase i am not intellectual, and above that i am creationist....

Do you know, world Top Intellectual is a Creationist and Islamist.....

I was just trying to learn, how to accept acceptable language of those Torjan horses, and to learn how one can earn money from being a Creationist...

285 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:32:58pm

re: #212 loveguru

Funny... I always thought Mike Myers was a better speller.

/

OT: I saw him years ago when he was in Second City in Toronto and he was the brightest, funniest one in the whole show. With beautiful dark, auburn hair, to boot...

286 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:33:36pm

re: #281 ErnieG

All this talk of lizards and nutsacks has led us away from another important alternative to the Darwinian worldview and ID. What about the Turtles All The Way Down hypothesis? Turtles All The Way Down makes as much sense, and has as much place in the classroom as ID.

I have put forth a paper on the feasibility of it being guano all the way down.

287 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:33:44pm

re: #282 Honorary Yooper

That's not a surprise. I think Kirly made a dramatic exit from the comments section last week.

288 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:33:44pm

re: #242 xleatherneck

#113 DeathtotheSwiss
I have to say this is an issue that needs attention.

This is an issue that has no clear lines of demarcation (unlike the preeminent issue this website is intended for) and only causes chaos....something that we don't need right now. That's just my opinion though, comical as it is to some...


Wow. Your arrogance is breath-taking. This is not your blog. You don't have a say in how it's run.

289 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:01pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont know yet. Science was busy proving the world was round, that the earth revolves around the sun, that man could fly and other such "truths" that were thought to be heretical at one time so the study of evolution has lagged a bit.

Somewhere in between, science was also busy proving that intelligence is related to skull size (craniometry), that darker skinned races are inferior, that mercury cures stomach upset, that infection is related to bad humours, that the soul is located in the Pineal Gland (Descartes), that love of foosball is located somewhere on the upper left section of the brain (phrenology), and history winds up in a utopian state after five stages of conflict.

Love of science and recognition of its power is commendable. Worship of science is dangerous, misplaced, and just as pathetic as the 4400-year Creationist causing a ruckus in a Kansas school.

290 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:18pm

re: #281 ErnieG

All this talk of lizards and nutsacks has led us away from another important alternative to the Darwinian worldview and ID. What about the Turtles All The Way Down hypothesis? Turtles All The Way Down makes as much sense, and has as much place in the classroom as ID.

Only if we allow the Flying Spaghetti Monster equal time

291 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:31pm

To all, The point of keeping science as science is well taken.
My point is that I see it dangerous to our culture to remove God, or spirituality or faith from all public discussion. Perhaps science class is not the appropriate venue, but creationism could be explored in public school. Other controversial issues are. Having a theory openly discussed need not be an endorsement.
It would be a good thing to give evidence supporting both sides of an issue and let a student come up with their own conclusion.
It is not math where the is a definite provable answer.

292 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:40pm

re: #185 once and future angeleno

one idea, one party, one way to view biology?

The only people who should be talking about alternate ways to view biologists are people who have something concrete or revolutionary to the conversation. IDiots do not add anything, in fact they take away.

Microevolution has been proven, macroevolution is observable through paleontology. Read Neil Shubin's Your Inner Fish and explain why we haven't found fossils of woodchucks in the same rock as ancient now-extinct jelly-fish?

293 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:46pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

you've got to be kidding.stupid,what a waste.

294 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:34:48pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

Woohoo!

295 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:21pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

That's not a surprise. I think Kirly made a dramatic exit from the comments section last week.

She got very upset when it was suggested that the first part of Genesis should be taken as allegory for what it can teach us.

296 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:21pm

re: #266 xleatherneck

"...but I am advocating that this website regain it's bearings and sanity..."

You know what Marx wrote:

"Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.”

You're free to resign.

297 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:25pm

re: #229 Globular Cluster

It doesn't matter. Apparently you don't understand the Enlightenment roots of the Declaration of Independence.

Address their point. The influence of God on Western civilization, whether justified or not, has been been great, and is simply a fact. Nothing more, nothing less.

The influence of Judeo-Christian philosophy on Western civilization has been great, in my opinion. Do you think I have an issue with that?

However, I am not willing to turn over the faith teaching of my child to public school teachers. I will do it, or I will have her instructed in religion classes through our church. And in fact, she attends a Catholic school, and does indeed take religion classes. And she also takes science classes that are science.

298 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:39pm

re: #179 MandyManners

All fine, thanks. The little guy is in this picture. ;)

299 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:53pm

Howard Ahmanson is a board member and major funder of the
Discovery Institute.
"During the 1970s, he became a disciple of R. J. Rushdoony, an Armenian cleric who preached the doctrine of "reconstructionism", a brand of Christian fundamentalism which advocates governance by Old Testament law." [Link: www.nndb.com...]

300 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:35:57pm

re: #281 ErnieG

Hook up with Lizard JCM, he's working very hard on it.

301 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:03pm

Greatest Dramatic exits of all time

T. Rex
Garth Brooks
The Dodo

302 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:06pm

re: #262 godfrey

Ding! You are on a roll tonight!

303 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:12pm

re: #284 loveguru

What must i do ? becuase i am not intellectual, and above that i am creationist....

Do you know, world Top Intellectual is a Creationist and Islamist.....

I was just trying to learn, how to accept acceptable language of those Torjan horses, and to learn how one can earn money from being a Creationist...

Please make sure to use the / sarcasm tag when you talk about the top intelectual being some obscure Turkish religious leader. Please also note that Torjans have the tendency to break at the wrong moment. Bat Boy prefers Durex.

304 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:28pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

This is not an excuse to try to subvert the Constitution and the Establishment Clause.

This country was founded by people FLEEING theocracies- Christian theocracies, at that. Would you uphold only one aspect of our founding and deny another?

I don't. Why don't you read the ff'in document that Charles posted and do tell me where, from what I posted, ever on LGF, that I desire theocracy?

305 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:35pm

re: #217 Sabnen

Thank you for sharing that.

306 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:39pm

re: #229 Globular Cluster

It doesn't matter. Apparently you don't understand the Enlightenment roots of the Declaration of Independence.

And, there is a lot I do not understand, I freely admit it.

307 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:36:40pm

re: #266 xleatherneck

#122 MandyManners
If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

I'm not advocating for Intelligent Design, but I am advocating that this website regain it's bearings and sanity...

Again, this is not your blog.

308 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:37:01pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Any more dramatic exits?

I wandered through a drunken exit on last night's thread.

Hadn't seen Murqtaad in many moons. And probably won't ever again after that display.

309 opnion  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:37:47pm

re: #257 HoosierHoops

zero


Hey Hoosier. On an earlier link I gave you my compliments on raising Marines. You did a lot right.

310 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:37:50pm

#146 Honorary Yooper

Very disingenuous, you've dinged down quite a few articles on ID. Want me to show you?

Go fuck yourself, I've done no such thing.

311 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:14pm

re: #298 NY Nana

All fine, thanks. The little guy is in this picture. ;)

Aw, the little cutie is growing fast!

312 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:31pm

re: #302 wolfie

Actually, that should be tota simul.

Mea culpa.

313 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:33pm

re: #310 xleatherneck

#146 Honorary Yooper

Very disingenuous, you've dinged down quite a few articles on ID. Want me to show you?

Go fuck yourself, I've done no such thing.

Isn't that an evolutionary dead-end?

314 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:46pm

re: #281 ErnieG

All this talk of lizards and nutsacks has led us away from another important alternative to the Darwinian worldview and ID. What about the Turtles All The Way Down hypothesis? Turtles All The Way Down makes as much sense, and has as much place in the classroom as ID.

You are aware NASA is suppressing Hubble images supporting the Turtle theory?

315 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:48pm

re: #299 jaunte

Howard Ahmanson is a board member and major funder of the
Discovery Institute.
"During the 1970s, he became a disciple of R. J. Rushdoony, an Armenian cleric who preached the doctrine of "reconstructionism", a brand of Christian fundamentalism which advocates governance by Old Testament law." [Link: www.nndb.com...]

Have you sent that to Charles?

316 loveguru  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:38:54pm

re: #285 Josephine

I found it Ironic, how our society is once again moving on a way to describe what is a Religion, rather then describing what is not a Religion(and certainly killing Human on name of God is not religion).....

what ever, its 1926 events repeating in fast track... at least in 1926, they had to resist and execute a lot of Hindus to give way to ARyan race theory... this time there is hardly any resistance... and Freedom of Speech is Dammed for religious sensitivities...

317 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:39:13pm

The Discovery institute folks continually bring up Global warming theory being taught in school, and believe it or not it's something that should be.
Why? Because it's based on empirical evidence, and can be falsified by contrary evidence and fact, as Global Warming now is. Earlier I posted a link about Sunspot cycle 24 being already late by two months. If it cools, global warming will take a tremendous blow. You can already see the scientists jumping from that bandwagon by droves as more and more evidence comes in, and Al Gore isn't doing open interviews anymore. You think there might be a reason?

318 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:39:22pm

re: #304 Globular Cluster

I've read the Wedge, have you?

I've read "so what?" and don't believe them- do you?

319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:39:37pm

re: #289 Globular Cluster

I think there is plenty of room for both, in their proper place. Science separated from morality and manipulated by personal or societal bias is just as bad as Religion which ignores reality or seeks to oppress and silence non-believers.

320 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:39:47pm

re: #314 jcm

You are aware NASA is suppressing Hubble images supporting the Turtle theory?

HAHAHAHA. You owe me a new, non-juice covered screen! How are the kids?

321 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:40:01pm

re: #314 jcm

You are aware NASA is suppressing Hubble images supporting the Turtle theory?

LOL. Literally.

322 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:40:04pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

Hey shithead,

Stop fucking insulting me.

I didn't insult you personally. In the time I've left to go to dinner and come back, you've taken it upon yourself (among others) to personally insult me.

Just because some of you don't like my stance on sarcasm tags, and don't like my reasons for not using them, doesn't mean you have to resort to schoolyard bully tactics.

Some of these claims from a few of you:

1) Claiming I'm a Democrat? (Where the fuck does that come from?)

2) Claiming that I'm a Paulnut? (Where the fuck did you get that one from? Learn how to fucking use Google and see what their opinion is of me.)

3) Claiming I'm a guy. (Huh?)

4) Saying I must be some sort of geeky nerd because of my opinions on sarcasm tags? (Fuck off)

5) Saying I have no right to my opinion about procedural etiquette because I don't have to spout off and reply to every topic? (Maybe I don't say something until it really needs saying - ever thought of that?)

And for what it's worth, I've been posting on and off LGF since the "Jenin Massacre" in 2002. I just didn't use this name until recently. I stopped for a while. I came back. I did so again a number of times.

You guys have pissed me off and personally insulted me for several posts. There was no reason for it. I didn't go around personally insulting people in that thread. I was making a commentary on general uses of sarcasm tags. If you took it personally, that's tough. But the fact that you reply by deliberately insulting me personally isn't the way to go about it and shows just how stupid you really can be.

Capito?

Oh wait...I'm sorry...

/rant

P.S. I didn't say I was leaving LGF. I said I was going out. No wonder some of you need sarcasm tags if you can't even read plain English.

323 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:40:30pm

re: #301 Shug

Greatest Dramatic exits of all time

T. Rex
Garth Brooks
The Dodo

Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove.

324 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:40:43pm

re: #315 MandyManners

No, I was assuming he knew about it already. I know I've seen Thanos mention Rushdoony before.

325 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:06pm

re: #322 Summer

xanax
single malt

repeat

326 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:07pm

re: #291 n in wi

To all, The point of keeping science as science is well taken.
My point is that I see it dangerous to our culture to remove God, or spirituality or faith from all public discussion. Perhaps science class is not the appropriate venue, but creationism could be explored in public school. Other controversial issues are. Having a theory openly discussed need not be an endorsement.
It would be a good thing to give evidence supporting both sides of an issue and let a student come up with their own conclusion.
It is not math where the is a definite provable answer.

It is. There are many history courses that teach comparative world religion.

327 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:32pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

This is not an excuse to try to subvert the Constitution and the Establishment Clause.

This country was founded by people FLEEING theocracies- Christian theocracies, at that. Would you uphold only one aspect of our founding and deny another?

Would you uphold one part of the establishment clause and not another ?
The whole amendment says Congress shall establish no religion, Nor inhibit the expression of.
And I am paraphrasing.

328 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:33pm

re: #308 JammieWearingFool

Threats of murder and ass-whuppins don't seem to go over well with the blog owner.

329 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:34pm

re: #313 Bat Boy

Isn't that an evolutionary dead-end?

*snicker*

330 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:41:44pm

re: #320 Bat Boy

HAHAHAHA. You owe me a new, non-juice covered screen! How are the kids?

Doing great, smarter than 'ole dad and twice as fast. But I make up for with old age and treachery.

331 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:01pm

re: #316 loveguru

and Freedom of Speech is Dammed for religious sensitivities...

not around adults it isn't,trouble starts when those who behave like children cannot stand that others think differently than themselves.

332 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:09pm

re: #329 MandyManners

*snicker*

Hiya Mandy!

333 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:34pm

re: #264 Thanos

ding ding ding AND hearted.

334 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:44pm

re: #207 n in wi

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total


cool..over 200 comments before someone broke this stupid out...way to go yec's!

335 loveguru  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #303 Bat Boy

Please make sure to use the / sarcasm tag when you talk about the top intelectual being some obscure Turkish religious leader. Please also note that Torjans have the tendency to break at the wrong moment. Bat Boy prefers Durex.

Durex might be better... as Billy boy was the reason to mount Turkish Islamist Creationist at Worlds top intellactual 2008® place !

336 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #322 Summer

Can I have your baby ?

337 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:43:10pm

re: #295 Honorary Yooper

It's a bummer. We've lost a lot of long time lizards over this. It's just about as divisive and the Vlaams Belang thing.

338 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:43:11pm

re: #330 jcm

lol

Plus, you get discounts.

339 eclectic infidel  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:43:44pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

Yeah, cats eat lizards!

Not mine. If they saw one, they'd probably assume it's a very, very small weird cat and try to play with it.

340 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:43:53pm

re: #332 Bat Boy

Hiya' Bat Boy! That's one freaky avatar.

341 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:01pm

re: #308 JammieWearingFool

I wandered through a drunken exit on last night's thread.

Hadn't seen Murqtaad in many moons. And probably won't ever again after that display.

Jammie,

He was deservedly banned.

342 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #312 godfrey

Deus te perdonabit !

343 Anna D  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:10pm

I'm much less concerned about some ID manifesto than I am about the Muslim Brotherhood's manifesto. This site should focus on Islamism and quit worrying about Darwin. He will sink or swim on his own. Science and God are not mutually exclusive. I can see the wonder and awe in mitochondria as I scientifically examine their structure and function.

344 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:13pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here is a question for a creationist: You're saying God's plan could not cover billions of years and rely on a process called evolution to work? Plenty of other of God's miracles have an observable scientific procss, why discount evolution as another of his miracles?

You will never see this question answered. My dad answers it by saying evolution is possible, but so is ID. Then we argue politics and science for hours on end enjoying every minute of it.

345 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:15pm

re: #207 n in wi

Are there not other Theories thought in science class?
Lets say maybe ,man made global warming.
Creationism and evolution both could be considered theory as neither can be completely proved or disproved in total

That evolution happens is a fact. That it happens via mutation and natural selection is a fact. That the mechanism in which the mutations occurs is DNA is a fact. That the mechanism by means of which natural selection occurs is the surrounding environment is a fact.

There are certain details that have not yet been fully fleshed out, and the scientific debate concerning them is robust, but the basic core of evolution is beyond all rational dispute. The thousands of identical artifactual retroviral DNA sequences found in the identical locations in our DNA and in the DNA of our closest primate relatives, the repeatable evolution of citric acid metabolizing capacity in E. Coli in laboratories, the continuous filling in of our fossil records, and millions upon millions of observed data aggregate into a massive and irrefutable mountain of empirical evidence.

Please present to me a single scientific support for creationism. You can't. It isn't testable, and thus is not science, but religion.

346 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:41pm

re: #341 NY Nana

I have never seen anybody here who was banned and didn't deserve it.

347 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:43pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

Can I have your baby ?

I believe she offered sex a number of times. But be careful at first. Use a Torjan.

348 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:44:46pm

re: #338 godfrey

lol

Plus, you get discounts.

I always wondered how my dad always knew what I was up to...

349 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:03pm

re: #318 Sharmuta

I've read the Wedge, have you?

I've read "so what?" and don't believe them- do you?

You don't believe them? Oh. Very scientific. I guess there's nothing to talk about then, since you simply don't believe anything that doesn't suit you.

Yes, I've read the Wedge Document. You say you've read the DI response? Oh well, I just don't believe you.

350 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:21pm

re: #327 n in wi

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Thankfully- I can quote myself:

I'm going to beat this horse within an inch of it's life.

First off- the second part IN NO WAY invalidates the first part.

Second- laws promoting the teachings of Biblical creation would in fact be passing laws "respecting" an establishment of religion.

Third- government cannot stop a private school from teaching whatever they want on this matter. Government cannot stop a private organization such as a Church or mosque from preaching whatever they want on this subject.

Fourth- government IS told they cannot impose an established state religion or pass laws stopping people from practicing their religion. If you cannot grasp how legislating the teachings of Biblical Creation intrudes on the Rights of non-Christians on both counts of the First Amendment, then I just can't help you.

351 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:21pm

re: #324 jaunte

No, I was assuming he knew about it already. I know I've seen Thanos mention Rushdoony before.

There's a couple links to old articles in spinoffs above, they younger Rushdoony and Ahmanson have softened, they've backed away from "stone all gays and adulterers to death" kind of speaking, but the sentiment and vitriol remains, as you can see if you take a leafing through the Chalcedon website.

352 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:27pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

dude we discussed this,it's only gonna turn out bad.

353 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #340 MandyManners

Hiya' Bat Boy! That's one freaky avatar.

You should see me hungover!

354 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:45:57pm

re: #349 Globular Cluster

So what?

355 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:46:08pm

re: #342 wolfie

Deus te perdonabitbat !

Fixed it for you.

356 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:46:10pm

#183 Thanos
I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.


If you have an issue with anything I'm saying, then be a man and address it, rather than behave like a paranoid juvenile. It doesn't speak well for you or this site...

357 reno911  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:47:12pm

Who designed the creationist who taught Darwin about science?

358 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #301 Shug

Greatest Dramatic exits of all time

T. Rex
Garth Brooks
The Dodo

Vanilla ice
billy ray Cyrus
Britney spears

359 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:47:59pm

re: #347 Bat Boy

I believe she offered sex a number of times. But be careful at first. Use a Torjan.

so her "FUCK OFF"s is foreplay!

360 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:48:08pm
#191 Shug

re: #37 solomonpanting


If man conservatives evolved from monkeys moonbats and apes progressives , why do we still have monkeys and apes? moonbats and progressives

Shug

Discuss

Perhaps the line of evolution is inverted here?
;P

361 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:48:28pm

re: #349 Globular Cluster

Do you believe vlaams belang when they say they're not fascists? Or did you look at their overall record and think they were disingenuous?

I don't believe vlaams belang, and I don't believe the disco institute for the same reason- THEY ARE DISINGENUOUS.

362 freetoken  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:48:35pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

This issue is not one that will be easily reconcilable to many lizards, I think, especially those who see it as a personal attack on their belief system.

My approach has been to view it (and discuss it) as being a civics problem. E.g., from a link I posted earlier today (on a recent Stein interview):

Although the judge in the 2005 Dover, Pa., trial that put the Darwinian debate on the witness stand ruled strongly against efforts to inject intelligent design into school science curricula, Stein is nonplussed. "That was one judge in one robe in one courtroom," he says. "When I was a child, there were judges who said blacks could not go to school with whites and judges who allowed anti-Jewish covenants in housing contracts. The law is just what judges say about it at any one time. And science is not supposed to be worked out by clever lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union."

So, according to Stein creationism isn't allowed in public schools only because of "one judge in one robe in one courtroom." If he really believes that, and if many Americans do also, then our civics education is as bad (or worse) than our science education.

363 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:48:46pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

Accurate, concise and well-stated, Sharmy!

364 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:48:52pm

re: #356 xleatherneck

#183 Thanos
I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.


If you have an issue with anything I'm saying, then be a man and address it, rather than behave like a paranoid juvenile. It doesn't speak well for you or this site...

He. Doesn't. Think. You. Are. Genuine. Possibly. He. Thinks. You. Are. An. Asshole.

Can I be called 'Bat Man' now for addressing it clearly and directly?

365 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:49:13pm

re: #359 sattv4u2

so her "FUCK OFF"s is foreplay!

Consider it her kink.

366 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:49:16pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

Threats of murder and ass-whuppins don't seem to go over well with the blog owner.

I didn't think so.

367 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:49:30pm

re: #361 Sharmuta
still can't get over the name "the disco institute"

368 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:49:49pm

re: #325 Shug

xanax
single malt

repeat

fixed

369 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:06pm

re: #365 Bat Boy

Consider it her kink.

I'm getting moist !

370 xleatherneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:06pm

#186 MandyManners

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

I was wondering about that, too.

The one person I didn't expect to display a cult mentality.

I'm disappointed in you.....

371 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:10pm

re: #327 n in wi

Would you uphold one part of the establishment clause and not another ?
The whole amendment says Congress shall establish no religion, Nor inhibit the expression of.
And I am paraphrasing.

And you know . . . let's just say that there was no such thing as the "establishment clause". Just pretend for a moment.

In the pursuit of the best possible education for our children, wouldn't we still want faith and religion taught at home and/or in church or religion or philosophy, or maybe even history classes, and science in science classes?

372 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:12pm

re: #322 Summer

Hey shithead,

Stop fucking insulting me.

I didn't insult you personally. In the time I've left to go to dinner and come back, you've taken it upon yourself (among others) to personally insult me.

Just because some of you don't like my stance on sarcasm tags, and don't like my reasons for not using them, doesn't mean you have to resort to schoolyard bully tactics.

Some of these claims from a few of you:

1) Claiming I'm a Democrat? (Where the fuck does that come from?)

2) Claiming that I'm a Paulnut? (Where the fuck did you get that one from? Learn how to fucking use Google and see what their opinion is of me.)

3) Claiming I'm a guy. (Huh?)

4) Saying I must be some sort of geeky nerd because of my opinions on sarcasm tags? (Fuck off)

5) Saying I have no right to my opinion about procedural etiquette because I don't have to spout off and reply to every topic? (Maybe I don't say something until it really needs saying - ever thought of that?)

And for what it's worth, I've been posting on and off LGF since the "Jenin Massacre" in 2002. I just didn't use this name until recently. I stopped for a while. I came back. I did so again a number of times.

You guys have pissed me off and personally insulted me for several posts. There was no reason for it. I didn't go around personally insulting people in that thread. I was making a commentary on general uses of sarcasm tags. If you took it personally, that's tough. But the fact that you reply by deliberately insulting me personally isn't the way to go about it and shows just how stupid you really can be.

Capito?

Oh wait...I'm sorry...

/rant

P.S. I didn't say I was leaving LGF. I said I was going out. No wonder some of you need sarcasm tags if you can't even read plain English.

Ya OK, you have said it all but please use a "Sarc tag"

373 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:33pm

re: #311 MandyManners

Aw, the little cutie is growing fast!

Thanks. He will be 2 in August....and he now sings and is on tune...not from our side of the family. NY Grampa and I are both perfect monotones, but our kids and grandkids are all great singers. Go figure!

374 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:37pm

By the way, Darwin's Origin of Species (6th edn.) begins with three quotations:

"But with regard to the material world, we can at least go so far as this-- we can perceive that events are brought about not by insulated interpositions of Divine power, exerted in each particular case, but by the establishment of general laws."--Whewell: "Bridgewater Treatise".

"The only distinct meaning of the word 'natural' is STATED, FIXED or SETTLED; since what is natural as much requires and presupposes an intelligent agent to render it so, i.e., to effect it continually or at stated times, as what is supernatural or miraculous does to effect it for once."--Butler: "Analogy of Revealed Religion".

"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or
an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain, that a man can search too far
or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's
works; divinity or philosophy; but rather let men endeavour an endless
progress or proficience in both." -- Bacon: "Advancement of Learning".

375 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:50:49pm

re: #365 Bat Boy

Consider it her kink.

I would think that would be her dismount, not foreplay

376 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:51:20pm

re: #367 Boondock St. Bender

still can't get over the name "the disco institute"

Killgore coined a good one.

I'm just glad he's moved on to the Space Pope- I see it as a good diss at the disco institute since the "creator" could be aliens with their wide open definition.

377 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:51:39pm

re: #370 xleatherneck

I'm sure she crushed!

378 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:51:46pm

re: #372 BBev

No, I didn't say it all. They're still insulting me.

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:51:48pm

re: #372 BBev

Ya OK, you have said it all but please use a "Sarc tag"

I know what we should do. Everytime SUMMER posts withOUT a sarc tag, we should all use 2 on our next post !

380 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:52:12pm

X, we are dissapointed in you as well.

381 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:52:34pm

re: #353 Bat Boy

You should see me hungover!

Must be quite the sight.

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:52:38pm

re: #372 BBev

Or better still. Petition Charles that a SARC TAG is AUTOMATICALLY placed at the end of EVERY post !

383 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:08pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

you forgot the sarc tag

384 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:16pm

re: #379 sattv4u2

I know what we should do. Everytime SUMMER posts withOUT a sarc tag, we should all use 2 on our next post !

I have to make dinner, I will be back for the fun

385 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #372 BBev

apparently foul language,and anatomical impossabilities are fine,just don't use a sarc tag....this is a tough room.

/

386 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:31pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

Or better still. Petition Charles that a SARC TAG is AUTOMATICALLY placed at the end of EVERY post !

/sarc

387 reno911  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:45pm

What's a sarc tag?

388 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:50pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

Or better still. Petition Charles that a SARC TAG is AUTOMATICALLY placed at the end of EVERY post !

/sarc

whew..feel better

389 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:53:54pm

re: #378 Summer

No, I didn't say it all. They're still insulting me.

Did you get that thin skin from the same place Obama got his?

(damn , there I go again ,,, BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD ! )

390 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:02pm

re: #385 Boondock St. Bender

Oh, but it's okay to insult me for post after post?

391 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:07pm

re: #317 Thanos

The Discovery institute folks continually bring up Global warming theory being taught in school, and believe it or not it's something that should be.
Why? Because it's based on empirical evidence, and can be falsified by contrary evidence and fact, as Global Warming now is. Earlier I posted a link about Sunspot cycle 24 being already late by two months. If it cools, global warming will take a tremendous blow. You can already see the scientists jumping from that bandwagon by droves as more and more evidence comes in, and Al Gore isn't doing open interviews anymore. You think there might be a reason?

I disagree with you. I do not think anything should be taught in public schools (K-12) that is not established science.
You are right that AGW, unlike ID theories, falls into the category of science because it is subject to emprical proof or disproof. But I woild like any new material like this to stand the test of time before being presented in a basic science course.
Kids are not prepared to make judgments about the relative validity of new theories. Save those for college majors who have mastered some of the basics first.

And BTW, for ten years kids have been indoctrinated about AGW.....and it still continues. It has been taught as indisputable fact to millions. Who knows when, if ever, the schools will catch up w/ developing data? Chances are, they won't....not ever. They'll just move on to the next fad w/o missing a step.

392 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:08pm

I'm gonna go get some....

/sleep

393 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

Do you believe vlaams belang when they say they're not fascists? Or did you look at their overall record and think they were disingenuous?

I don't believe vlaams belang, and I don't believe the disco institute for the same reason- THEY ARE DISINGENUOUS.

There is plenty of evidence that vlaams and the BNP are fascist. What's astonishing about the Wedge document is how ho-hum it actually is. DI is what? Twelve fellows, not including the board?

394 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:18pm

re: #346 Shug

I have never seen anybody here who was banned and didn't deserve it.

Nor have I. Amazing how some have the chutzpah to return as sockpuppets, but like the Mounties, Charles always gets the man...or female. Some take a bit longer than others. but invariably...

395 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:34pm

re: #375 Shug

I would think that would be her dismount, not foreplay

So, do you think she jumps to the floor from the bed, arches her back, throws her arms in the air like Evita, and yells 'Fuck Off'? So things get good when you see her chalking her hands stepping up to the bed and yelling 'Fuck On'? How long do you think the routine lasts? Is there a floor routine? Is she judged on flexibility? Is there peppy music playing? These are things to know.

396 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:40pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I think you and i lobbied heavily for the space pope.and kilgore listened.
DEMOCRACY WORKS!

397 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:44pm

re: #390 Summer

Oh, but it's okay to insult me for post after post?


I won't.
You're doing a good enough job of that yourself

398 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:45pm

re: #383 Shug

you forgot the sarc tag

I'm printing signs and T-Shirts

AUTO SARC TAGS
AUTO SARC TAGS
AUTO SARC TAGS

399 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:54:48pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

It's a bummer. We've lost a lot of long time lizards over this. It's just about as divisive and the Vlaams Belang thing.

Yeah, who thought then that the VB and their ilk had so many supporters?

Just remember, there are no sacred cows, and this issue is a sacred cow to some, and it's getting BBQ'd here.

400 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:55:14pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Any more dramatic exits?

The night is young.

401 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:55:23pm

re: #383 Shug

you forgot the sarc tag

/I think sarc tags are pretty ff'in gay.

So is writing stuff like this.

402 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:55:33pm

re: #393 Globular Cluster

Did you, you know, read the links in my #7? I have more, if you want.

403 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:00pm

re: #370 xleatherneck

#186 MandyManners

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

I was wondering about that, too.

The one person I didn't expect to display a cult mentality.

I'm disappointed in you.....


I'm not one of the people who think you're planted. I'm just somebody who sees you as the conformist who is trying to tell Charles how he should run his website.

What gets me is, this isn't the first post about the subject that Charles has posted, and yet the Lizard population is still incredibly thick. You've misjudged how many allies on this subject that you have and the fact that this website is still around proves it.

If you only want to read posts where you, Charles and everyone agree with eachother then maybe you should stick to the terrorism posts. But realize that, regardless of the site's popularity, it is still owned by one Charles Johnson and will contain posts about his thoughts and views. The thing is, I don't agree with Chuck all the time, and I'm not telling him how he should do things, why are you?

404 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:04pm

re: #397 Shug

Please explain how.

Because I responded after being insulted for several posts while I was away?

405 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:19pm

re: #400 Josephine

The night is young.

And most of us are still sober.

406 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:38pm

re: #402 Sharmuta

Did you, you know, read the links in my #7? I have more, if you want.

I don't believe you.

407 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #378 Summer

summer,we're having fun with you.there's a difference.

408 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:56:46pm

re: #370 xleatherneck

#186 MandyManners

I've long thought xleatherneck to be a moby from the far right, no real leatherneck would place an "x" in front of it.

I was wondering about that, too.

The one person I didn't expect to display a cult mentality.

I'm disappointed in you.....

Agreeing with someone makes me a member of a cult?

409 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:06pm

Muslim Creation

A definition of evolution
Unfortunately this guy shoots himself in the foot right at the start...

So let me just start off by briefly going over a few things that all modern scientists and most people who have had the opportunity to learn basic scientific facts know to be true--as definitely and undeniably true as the fact that the earth is not flat or that it goes around the sun.

Top Ten countdown of creation stories

I've been reading while you all argue in the other room.... it would help if some of you knew how to manage volume control.

/

410 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:10pm

re: #405 Bat Boy

And most of us are still sober.

And fully dressed.

Or are we.......

411 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:13pm

More Darwin:

many naturalists think that something more is meant by the Natural System; they believe that it reveals the plan of the Creator; but unless it be specified whether order in time or space, or both, or what else is meant by the plan of the Creator, it seems to me that nothing is thus added to our knowledge

Then there is this:

To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual. When I view all beings not as special creations, but as the lineal descendants of some few beings which lived long before the first bed of the Cambrian system was deposited, they seem to me to become ennobled.

By the way, Darwin wrote beautifully. I wish all scientists could write so well.

412 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #371 reine.de.tout

I've said as much in my previous post.

413 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:18pm

re: #378 Summer

Do YOU have the power to perceive THEIR comments as 'on-target' OR as 'off-target'?

If YOUR perceptions are under YOUR control, cannot YOU CHOOSE TO PERCEIVE their comments as inaccurate, ill-informed and non-descriptive?

It is, after all, YOUR CHOICE, Summer...

414 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:18pm

re: #405 Bat Boy

And most of us are still sober.

I'm working on that. (See avatar.)

415 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:19pm
Johnson calls his movement "The Wedge." The objective, he said, is to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to "the truth" of the Bible and then "the question of sin" and finally "introduced to Jesus."

But hey! So what?

/source

416 Fredlike  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:29pm

I have been staying out of these ID discussions, but I must say at least Charles is giving people a forum to respond. The Wedge issue however does not appear to be all that timely given the 1999 date of the memo and the 2003 response.

The response clearly states the the DI is not anti-science but is anti scientific-materialism and that they had a plan and probably have a revised one by now to do their best to support the fight against materialism as a philosophy.

I am not a supporter of ID or the Discovery Institute but I say what's wrong with supporting what you believe.

417 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:31pm

re: #404 Summer

Please explain how.

Because I responded whined over and over after being insulted for several posts while I was away?


fixed

(no / )

418 Dan G.  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:32pm

re: #317 Thanos

Yes, there seems to be a disconnect with the concept of observations (warming) and the theories that explain them (CO2 vs. the sun). The IDer's, I believe, even deny the observations of evolution (i.e. fossils), not just the theory of how it happened (mutations etc...).

419 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:57:42pm

re: #406 Globular Cluster

You're a petty ass.

420 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:58:10pm

re: #407 Boondock St. Bender

You're not. You were insulting me. Several of you were. I didn't personally insult any of you. Now I'm pissed off. If I went around claiming you must be a Democrat because of your ideas on sarcasm tags, and then saying you had your head stuck up your ass, that you were a Paulnut, that you were disingenuous in your identity, and other such things, you'd probably get pissed off as well.

421 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:58:25pm

Disco Institute music:

422 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:58:47pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Agreeing with someone makes me a member of a cult?

No silly, being a member of a cult makes you a member of a cult. Not agreeing with xleatherneck make you smart.

423 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:58:56pm

re: #322 Summer

So, are you saying you're upset?

424 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:59:10pm

re: #405 Bat Boy

And most of us are still sober.

I am doing my part to solve that problem.

425 reno911  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:59:16pm

I'm thinking joke tags would be cool. Then I would know when to laugh. How about insult tags? Maybe some single letter call signs and brevity codes too.

426 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:59:16pm

re: #410 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And fully dressed.

Or are we.......

Time for a scrotal lizard check.

427 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:59:40pm

re: #423 MandyManners

Yes I am. What some of you were posting was way out of line. I didn't go out of my way to insult people. I think you owe me an apology.

428 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #419 Sharmuta

You're a petty ass.

Yes, he/she is

429 unixrab  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:07pm

....and Charles continues his jihad against ID :( meh.

430 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:09pm

re: #397 Shug

re: #404 Summer

Please explain how.

Because I responded after being insulted for several posts while I was away?

no ,, it's because you managed to become tedious, redundant, and a whiner in a mere two posts where YOU started the "insults" by calling anyone who used a sarc tag obviously stupid!

I've had my fun, but now you're like a whiney 3 year old that didn't get ice cream for breakfast. Geezz ,, get over yourself

now THOSE were INSULTS !

431 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:18pm

re: #414 ErnieG

I'm working on that. (See avatar.)

Nice work. Have some for me. I am only and hagiophage and not a drinker.

432 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:24pm

re: #390 Summer

Oh, but it's okay to insult me for post after post?

no it is not! sorry joining this late..1/2 half through the IRL race..
we have been chating about the /sarc tag for an hour or two..
No one should just insult you constantly..

433 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:39pm

re: #390 Summer

Guys, this lovefest is better taken to the Lounge where one liner insults can be given copiously.

434 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:53pm

re: #390 Summer

summer,we can be very abusive around here.(god knows how many inside jokes are based on that very thing)but,we all take it in stride.
by being indignant you kinda fuel the fire.
lets get on with something else,so we can get to know you better.

435 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:55pm

Is it time to bring out comment 1189 again?

436 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #421 jaunte

Thanks- think I'll pull up my Donna Summer station at pandora.

437 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:00:59pm

re: #391 wolfie

Sorry to disagree, but you can prove that anthropormorphic warming exists very simply if you live in an urban area. Take a drive on an windless day with a thermometer. Go about twenty miles out of town, measure the temperature, then drive back into the urban area and measure temperature it will be higher in the urban area if the two locations are the same elevation and weather.

The bad thing about global warming isn't greenhouse theory, or teaching that MMGW exists, it's the assumption that there are no balancing natural factors, and that larger factors of climate variability are dismissed. It's the notiion that it's a crisis. In other words there's nothing wrong with much of the science behing Global warming theory, there's a lot wrong with the crisis-mongering politics behind it.

438 reno911  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:01:29pm

We need more acronyms too. I especially like silly acronyms that have serious meaning.

439 kansas  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:01:39pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Fuck you.

I thought this was too harsh. Then I read the post from Finallyalizard. I would ask finally why he ever bothered. Finally a lizard was probably tired of being a kossack. Oh yeah, interesting how the liberals have evolved..................into progressives.

440 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:04pm

re: #419 Sharmuta

You're a petty ass.

Just spell my name right. That's all I ask.

441 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:25pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

I don't think you actually read posts. If you did, you would have seen that my stance is to the contrary.

And after going on post after post, writing my name in all caps like some asshole bully calling out somebody else, I have a right to state that you're a moronic asshole who doesn't know when to shut the fuck up and stop insulting people who didn't come out and insult you personally in the first place.

442 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:33pm

re: #355 Bat Boy

Fixed it for you.

You get that creepy bat outa there! :O

443 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:36pm

In case anybody was wondering , Todd Jones sucks

444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:40pm

re: #438 reno911

We need more acronyms too. I especially like silly acronyms that have serious meaning.

I'm partial to TLA and ETLA. 2 of my favorites.

445 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:02:58pm

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm partial to TLA and ETLA. 2 of my favorites.

TMI

446 michael78244  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:03:05pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

I thought I addressed this in the other thread, but oh well, lets do it again.

First off- the second part IN NO WAY invalidates the first part.

I agree. The first part of the first amendment which reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" does not invalidate the second part which reads "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Second- laws promoting the teachings of Biblical creation would in fact be passing laws "respecting" an establishment of religion.

I disagree with this one. You say "Biblical" creation and I say Intelligent Design. No need to bring religion into this. You are projecting Christianity. If ID is taught with no reference at all to religion, then there is no promoting of a particular religion.

Third- government cannot stop a private school from teaching whatever they want on this matter. Government cannot stop a private organization such as a Church or mosque from preaching whatever they want on this subject.

Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Fourth- government IS told they cannot impose an established state religion or pass laws stopping people from practicing their religion. If you cannot grasp how legislating the teachings of Biblical Creation intrudes on the Rights of non-Christians on both counts of the First Amendment, then I just can't help you.

See #2

447 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:03:10pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

Took the fun out of it for me too.

448 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:03:23pm

Ah, rye whiskey. Now there's a drink.

/off to lounge

449 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:03:46pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

no it is not! sorry joining this late..1/2 half through the IRL race..
we have been chating about the /sarc tag for an hour or two..
No one should just insult you constantly..

/yea i know that's like a big fat lazy softball pitch at the 4th of july picnic.

450 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:03:54pm

re: #437 Thanos

Urban Heat Island Effect...ahem...

Maybe Killgore's right, maybe it's just a lack of science-education that leads to so many ID believers and Global Warming Marks.

451 amused  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:04:55pm

Barbara Forrest was an expert witness at the Dover, PA trial that tossed ID out. Here's a link to an interview at Point of Inquiry:

[Link: www.pointofinquiry.org...]

Barbara Forrest - The Wedge of Intelligent Design

In this discussion with D.J. Grothe, Barbara Forrest examines the intelligent design movement, its history and its agenda, and the so-called “wedge strategy,” including the ID movement’s public relations efforts and other methods the movement has used to advance the widespread public acceptance of intelligent design. She also talks about the Discovery Institute and the implications of the theory of evolution for belief in God.

452 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:04:57pm

re: #425 reno911

I'm thinking joke tags would be cool. Then I would know when to laugh. How about insult tags? Maybe some single letter call signs and brevity codes too.

Insult tag.

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

453 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:05:01pm

re: #427 Summer

i am sorry if you were hurt.honestly.

454 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:05:02pm

re: #434 Boondock St. Bender

I take what people say at face value.

And maybe you missed it: I've been on LGF in one way or another since 2003. I know what it's like around here. I know better than most of you. I don't appreciate being treated like a pariah or being insulted in attack posts after I'm gone. It's WAY out of line and uncalled for.

Some of you still owe me an apology.

455 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:05:06pm

re: #427 Summer

Yes I am. What some of you were posting was way out of line. I didn't go out of my way to insult people. I think you owe me an apology.

With all due respect but, apologize for what? For trying to lighten a situation?

You're an intelligent, well-written woman and I have no beef with you.

456 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:05:34pm

Don't know about the rest of you, but those images of Summer's are most interesting.

457 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:05:55pm

re: #416 Fredlike

I have been staying out of these ID discussions, but I must say at least Charles is giving people a forum to respond. The Wedge issue however does not appear to be all that timely given the 1999 date of the memo and the 2003 response.

The response clearly states the the DI is not anti-science but is anti scientific-materialism and that they had a plan and probably have a revised one by now to do their best to support the fight against materialism as a philosophy.

I am not a supporter of ID or the Discovery Institute but I say what's wrong with supporting what you believe.


Materialism is the basis of all science. The supernatural is the basis of all religion.

They might as well have said "scientific reliance on real world facts".

458 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:06:09pm

re: #442 wolfie

You get that creepy bat outa there! :O

Oye, mijita Boliviana! Lo hice con carino y tiernura - como lo conocen solo los murcialegos..

459 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:06:09pm

re: #441 Summer

I don't think you actually read posts. If you did, you would have seen that my stance is to the contrary.

And after going on post after post, writing my name in all caps like some asshole bully calling out somebody else, I have a right to state that you're a moronic asshole who doesn't know when to shut the fuck up and stop insulting people who didn't come out and insult you personally in the first place.

Does this mean we're not going to the prom together?

460 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:06:33pm

Summer is cool

461 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:06:33pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

Killgore coined a good one.

I'm just glad he's moved on to the Space Pope- I see it as a good diss at the disco institute since the "creator" could be aliens with their wide open definition.

Extraterrestrial BeeGees !
Hot damn!

462 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:06:35pm

re: #446 michael78244

You say "Biblical" creation and I say Intelligent Design. No need to bring religion into this. You are projecting Christianity. If ID is taught with no reference at all to religion, then there is no promoting of a particular religion.

Hence the disingenuousness of the DI. This leaves the door open to space aliens (and the Space Pope!). Do you really expect me to believe Phillip Johnson's strategy is about promoting space aliens as the Creator? Get real. I'm not fooled by your DI talking points.

463 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:07:17pm

I've posted this link many times before and I'll be following it with two personal favorites:
[Link: www.talkorigins.org...]

And then for global warming debate at it's best:
[Link: climatedebatedaily.com...]

And for fans of Mystery Science Theater (Joel rocks!):
[Link: www.cheepnis.com...]

464 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:07:22pm

re: #459 sattv4u2

Does this mean we're not going to the prom together?

and as far as men are concerned going to the prom is like getting married

/stirring the pot

465 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:07:23pm

re: #393 Globular Cluster

What's astonishing about the Wedge document is how ho-hum it actually is. DI is what? Twelve fellows, not including the board?

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, THE UNITED STATES IS BEING OVERRUN BY THE RAMPAGING THEOCRACY!

/make sure you have at least three weeks worth of food and water and plenty of ammunition

466 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:07:31pm

re: #460 HoosierHoops

Not if global warming has it's way.

467 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:07:35pm

re: #452 jcm

Insult tag.

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

Insult tag? (*)

468 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:08:16pm

re: #450 DeathtotheSwiss

Urban Heat Island Effect...ahem...

Maybe Killgore's right, maybe it's just a lack of science-education that leads to so many ID believers and Global Warming Marks.

And urban heat islands do not add to the overall temperature?

Are urban heat bubbles man made?

Yes or no please, it's simple.

469 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:08:21pm

re: #467 Bat Boy

Older insult tag:
(_*_)

470 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:08:41pm

re: #467 Bat Boy

Insult tag? (*)


(!)

asshole tag

471 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:08:45pm

re: #469 jaunte

Older insult tag:
(_*_)

That's the one!

472 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:08:57pm

re: #461 wolfie

Extraterrestrial BeeGees !
Hot damn!

Disco Inferno!

473 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:06pm

(*)(*)

474 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:19pm

Perky!

475 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:32pm

re: #473 MandyManners

who you calling a boob?!

476 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:42pm

Gotta' go rassle. bbl

477 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:45pm

re: #452 jcm

Insult tag.

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

I am so stealing that.

478 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:49pm

Todd Jones SUCKS

479 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:52pm

re: #468 Thanos

Are urban heat bubbles man made?

Yes, after three 89 cent bean burritos at Taco Bell.

480 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:09:54pm

re: #396 Boondock St. Bender

I think you and i lobbied heavily for the space pope.and kilgore listened.
DEMOCRACY WORKS!

Hah! Looks like a wedge strategy against Hitchinism to me!

481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:06pm

(0)

Goatse!

482 MacGregor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:22pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Agreeing with someone makes me a member of a cult?

cult de sack?

483 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:28pm

Hmm- maybe Fox Mulder was right. The Truth is out there and we're the result of aliens!

484 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:29pm

re: #468 Thanos

No they don't because they are insignificant the global temperature.

Global temperature coincides nicely with rising and falling temperature of the sun, thank you.

485 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:36pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

(0)

Goatse!

My eyes, she burns!

486 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:55pm

re: #457 Thanos

Materialism is the basis of all science. The supernatural is the basis of all religion.

They might as well have said "scientific reliance on real world facts".


Or "Intelligent Design rests on scientific reliance on supernatural intervention."

Oxymoronic.

Self de-legitimizing. Inauthentic.

487 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:58pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

aaarrgghh! now i need more brain bleach to forget that again!

488 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:10:59pm

re: #473 MandyManners

(*)(*)

I am disappointed in you!

489 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:11:21pm

I'm dismayed that LGF doesn't have a list of blogs from Iraqis, because it's so obvious how the winds have changed over there.

Charles, please.

Let's get a list of the indigenous reporters on the ground via their blogs. I's absolutely obvious that the situation is much better there, we deserve to be advised of those who are willing to comment on the good and the bad that exist side-by-side in that nascent democratic nation.

They may need more help that we can and may provide. Democracy doesn't just happen.

490 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:11:35pm

re: #316 loveguru

I found it Ironic, how our society is once again moving on a way to describe what is a Religion, rather then describing what is not a Religion(and certainly killing Human on name of God is not religion).....

what ever, its 1926 events repeating in fast track... at least in 1926, they had to resist and execute a lot of Hindus to give way to ARyan race theory... this time there is hardly any resistance... and Freedom of Speech is Dammed for religious sensitivities...

Agreed.

However, to too many Muslims, killing humans in the name of Allah is indeed part of their religion.

491 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:11:36pm

re: #471 Bat Boy

That's the one!

(_*_)

It is!

492 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:01pm

re: #480 wolfie

Hah! Looks like a wedge strategy against Hitchinism to me!

Wedgie strategy?

493 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:06pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

(0)

Goatse!

Thanks, just sitting down to eat......
;-P

494 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:13pm

re: #453 Boondock St. Bender

How could I not be? But, for what it's worth, apology accepted. Thank you.

re: #460 HoosierHoops

Thanks.

re: #455 MandyManners

That wasn't what some people were doing two hours ago.

re: #459 sattv4u2

You never have anything intelligent to say. Furthermore, seeing the way that you write, I doubt you even could muster up the courage to ask me in person.

495 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:35pm

re: #492 Bat Boy

Wedgie strategy?

That's almost an atomic wedgie!

496 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:49pm

re: #489 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You mean like, Iraqi Bloggers Central?

497 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:54pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

(0)

Goatse!

So damn glad I never looked at the video, but only read about it.

498 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:12:57pm

How many public school districts nationwide, if any, are currently teaching ID in science class?

/I mean, what are we really talking about here?

499 michael78244  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:13:12pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

Hence the disingenuousness of the DI. This leaves the door open to space aliens (and the Space Pope!). Do you really expect me to believe Phillip Johnson's strategy is about promoting space aliens as the Creator? Get real. I'm not fooled by your DI talking points.

I really don't care what you BELIEVE.

500 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:13:16pm

re: #468 Thanos

And urban heat islands do not add to the overall temperature?

Are urban heat bubbles man made?

Yes or no please, it's simple.

The land area of urban "heat Islands" is extremely small and does not signifigantly affect global tempertaures. The fact that Antartica is growing would tend to negate urban heat islands....

501 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:13:21pm

re: #473 MandyManners

(*)(*)

I don't get it. Why is that owl looking up at the sky?

502 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:13:48pm

re: #495 jcm

That's almost an atomic wedgie!

I believe that was the caption from the main page.

503 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:14:16pm

re: #289 Globular Cluster

Somewhere in between, science was also busy proving that intelligence is related to skull size (craniometry), that darker skinned races are inferior, that mercury cures stomach upset, that infection is related to bad humours, that the soul is located in the Pineal Gland (Descartes), that love of foosball is located somewhere on the upper left section of the brain (phrenology), and history winds up in a utopian state after five stages of conflict.

Love of science and recognition of its power is commendable. Worship of science is dangerous, misplaced, and just as pathetic as the 4400-year Creationist causing a ruckus in a Kansas school.

And then science corrected these errors, none of which is seriously held by any significant number of reputable scientists in the respective fields today. Science is self-correcting, something that cannot be said for ancient dogmas eternally frozen in self-claimed perfection.

504 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:14:30pm

Noam, thx. Why isn't that here?

505 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:14:33pm

re: #500 loflyer

The land area of urban "heat Islands" is extremely small and does not signifigantly affect global tempertaures. The fact that Antartica is growing would tend to negate urban heat islands....

The problem with urban heat islands many of the surface temperature measuring stations which used to be outside of urban areas have been surrounded by them. Thus affecting the measurements.

506 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:14:42pm

re: #484 DeathtotheSwiss

No they don't because they are insignificant the global temperature.

Global temperature coincides nicely with rising and falling temperature of the sun, thank you.

I quite agree except the "no" part. To say that we contribute nothing makes our counterarguments less strong.

The two major flaws in MMGW theory are carbon forcing and the strength of it's effects, and the need to base policy on malthusian computer models. We need to point out that balogna exactly and with the strength of truth on our side.

507 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:15:01pm

re: #467 Bat Boy

Insult tag? (*)

re: #466 n in wi

Not if global warming has it's way.

clever...
everybody is right
a /sarc tag isn't needed.
except when i post..but just me..

508 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:15:22pm

re: #482 MacGregor

cult de sack?

Actually, Raul Cul de Sac was a Spanish conquistador who explored Florida. Many streets in Florida subdivisions are named in his honor.

509 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:15:41pm

re: #504 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Noam, thx. Why isn't that here?

I got it out of the Anti-idiotarians list.

510 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

How many public school districts nationwide, if any, are currently teaching ID in science class?

/I mean, what are we really talking about here?

/as opposed to teaching grade schoolers about homosexuality

511 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:15:55pm

re: #508 ErnieG

A conquistador? No wonder lefties hate suburbia.

512 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:16:50pm

re: #507 HoosierHoops

clever...
everybody is right
a /sarc tag isn't needed.
except when i post..but just me..

The key is to be continually insipid and pithy like me so one doesn't need to go through the extra effort of a sarc tag.

/

513 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:16:59pm

re: #494 Summer
Okay, so here it goes. From YOUR 1st salvo >
I'm probably in the extreme minority here but I think that sarcasm tags are unnecessary and extremely gauche.

you called all who use the tag "EXTREMELY GAUCHE"

They also give me the impression that people can't read between the lines and demonstrates a severe lack of humor.

you also called us HUMORLESS

the rest of you diatribe was along the same lines, stating that we're too stupid to recognize sarc or humor without the tag

(I still luv ya, though)

514 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:17:15pm

re: #505 jcm

The problem with urban heat islands many of the surface temperature measuring stations which used to be outside of urban areas have been surrounded by them. Thus affecting the measurements.

Agreed, there is a bias in the temperatures due to the large amount of reporting stations within heat islands, not to mention the poor postioning of a signifigant amount of stations.

515 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:17:29pm

re: #290 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Only if we allow the Flying Spaghetti Monster equal time

Don't forget Cthulhu, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

516 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:17:32pm

punching out guys.stay safe.

517 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:17:53pm

re: #508 ErnieG

Actually, Raul Cul de Sac was a Spanish conquistador who explored Florida. Many streets in Florida subdivisions are named in his honor.

Keep the drinking up you are getting there!

518 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:18:10pm

re: #512 Bat Boy

The key is to be continually insipid and pithy like me so one doesn't need to go through the extra effort of a sarc tag.

/

A few more of these and I'll be pithed.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:18:15pm

Evening lizards...what did I miss today?

520 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:18:15pm
521 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:18:28pm

re: #499 michael78244

Is Phillip Johnson's strategy to promote Christian theology or space aliens?

522 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:18:54pm

re: #500 loflyer

The land area of urban "heat Islands" is extremely small and does not signifigantly affect global tempertaures. The fact that Antartica is growing would tend to negate urban heat islands....

The effects of Carbon are also quite small.... we need to go into the argument with all facts. I'm certainly no supporter global warming, on the other hand I won't argue with some of the science they use, that wouldn't be true nor right. Man made global warming is a fact, what's essential in the argument is to prove or disprove that it's significant enough to matter.

523 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:07pm

/

you really can't get anymore pithy than that

524 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:25pm

re: #514 loflyer

Agreed, there is a bias in the temperatures due to the large amount of reporting stations within heat islands, not to mention the poor postioning of a signifigant amount of stations.

Good coverage of the issues with measurement.

525 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:27pm

re: #291 n in wi

To all, The point of keeping science as science is well taken.
My point is that I see it dangerous to our culture to remove God, or spirituality or faith from all public discussion. Perhaps science class is not the appropriate venue, but creationism could be explored in public school. Other controversial issues are. Having a theory openly discussed need not be an endorsement.
It would be a good thing to give evidence supporting both sides of an issue and let a student come up with their own conclusion.
It is not math where the is a definite provable answer.

Well, first evidence would have to be found that supports so-called intelligent design. So far, none has been forthcoming.

526 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:43pm

OK, this probably belongs - well, somewhere else, but it's interesting given the previous thread and people's interest in Jindal:

www.2theadvocate.com...] target="_blank">

Recall targets Jindal
527 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:46pm

re: #473 MandyManners

(*)(*)

oIo

528 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:55pm

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards...what did I miss today?

Nothing yet, we are just doing nut sack checks, insulting xleatherneck, watching Summer use all the curse words in her vocab for foreplay, and Mandy just went for something. She'll be back.

529 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:19:55pm

re: #508 ErnieG

Actually, Raul Cul de Sac was a Spanish conquistador who explored Florida. Many streets in Florida subdivisions are named in his honor.

I thought that was Ponce De Leon or Desota. There are several Desota falls located in the SE.

530 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:20:08pm

re: #523 HoosierHoops

/

you really can't get anymore pithy than that

You talkin' to me?

531 Franktalk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:20:18pm

I am a YEC but could care less about ID. My faith does not come from science which is a self proclaimed naturalistic, materialistic, guessing game. Anyone that would use science to decide where they should place their faith is looking in the wrong place.

532 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:20:39pm

re: #473 MandyManners

(*)(*)

Very perky.

533 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:20:49pm

re: #526 reine.de.tout

OK, this probably belongs - well, somewhere else, but it's interesting given the previous thread and people's interest in Jindal:

messed up somehow - here's the link:

Recall Targets Jindal

534 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:20:50pm

re: #515 Salamantis

Don't forget Cthulhu, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Silly, Azathoth created the universe, Cthulhu is simply a Great Old One.

Its obvious we need more classes on Lovecraftian Creationism in our public schools.

535 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:21:12pm

re: #513 sattv4u2

There's a difference between my opinion on sarcasm tags being extremely gauche and saying you're on the other side of the fence because of your opinion on it. Not to mention the comments about my head being stuck up my ass, or that I'm a Ron Paul supporter (again...did you look that up yet? I doubt you have. I've ripped Ron Paul apart in public where it counts and made an impression. Have you?)

And just because I think that sarcasm tags point to an "acceptable" level of stupidity in society doesn't mean that you have to insult me personally - which you did. Time, after time, after time.

You were WAY out of line.

536 freedombilly  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #390 Summer

Oh, but it's okay to insult me for post after post?

Take a deep breath...

537 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:21:43pm

re: #532 jcm

Very perky.

must be hard to find a bra that covers those ,, ummm,, tips up !

538 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:21:45pm

re: #527 Globular Cluster

oIo

you need to change the 'I' to I. Its all about girth baby.

I hear Bill Clinton's was like this I.

539 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:21:56pm

re: #532 jcm

Very perky.

( ) ( )
* *

not so perky

540 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:22:07pm

re: #423 MandyManners

So, are you saying you're upset?


Summer was upset from a previous thread.

541 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:22:09pm

re: #437 Thanos

I'm not talking about micro-warming. I'm talking about the whole kit and kaboodle of AGW as taught by Al Gore & Co. I'm talking about every school I know around here being given An Inconvenient Truth and buckets of fancy teaching materials focusing exclusively on man-made warming, etc. etc.

All I'm saying is that just because something IS in the realm of science doesn't mean it should be taught in kiddie schools. Let it stand the test of time in the world of pros before presenting it as fact to kids.

BTW, this is Appalachia. I hate to think what they teach in Berkeley.

542 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:22:46pm

re: #522 Thanos

The effects of Carbon are also quite small.... we need to go into the argument with all facts. I'm certainly no supporter global warming, on the other hand I won't argue with some of the science they use, that wouldn't be true nor right. Man made global warming is a fact, what's essential in the argument is to prove or disprove that it's significant enough to matter.

Wouldn't this current sunspot cycle sugest strongly that that the anthropogenic aspects of "global warming" are significantly insignificant?

543 kansas  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:22:47pm

Global warming here in Kansas for 600000 years.
Glaciers moved into the northeastern tip of Kansas about 600,000 years ago, from roughly the Kansas River on the south to the Big Blue River on the west. These were massive walls of ice; geologists have estimated that the glacier was 500 feet thick where Lawrence is located today. In the time since glaciers were in northeastern Kansas, erosion has erased much of the evidence of their visit, but bright red and pink boulders of metamorphic rock, called Sioux Quartzite, were carried to Kansas by glaciers from regions as far north as Minnesota and are still found throughout the area.

Must have been some big SUVs to melt that sucker. Either that or Algorosaurus Flatulatus.

544 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:22:56pm

re: #539 Shug

More like this:

( . ) ( . )

545 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:08pm

re: #538 Bat Boy

you need to change the 'I' to I. Its all about girth baby.

I hear Bill Clinton's was like this I.

More of a °J°

546 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:10pm

re: #539 Shug

( ) ( )
* *

not so perky

Dammit, you're funny!

547 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:29pm

The pictures at Ali Mohammed's site are just stunning. Except for architectural differences, it could be any great city on this earth.

Americans tend to be very provincial.

548 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:31pm

re: #545 jcm

More of a °J°

Perfect!

549 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:32pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

Whatever the number today, the Wedge Strategy is a perfect example of Thin-Entering Wedge. Pun not intended, but certainly applicable in this case, Killian

550 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:32pm

re: #528 Bat Boy

Nothing yet, we are just doing nut sack checks, insulting xleatherneck, watching Summer use all the curse words in her vocab for foreplay, and Mandy just went for something. She'll be back.

Thanks!

Mandy looks perky tonite.

551 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:46pm

Misseur Scaramanga
(*) (*)

*

552 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:53pm

re: #405 Bat Boy

And most of us are still sober.

Speak for yourself.

/

553 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:57pm

re: #530 ErnieG

You talkin' to me?

maybe.. I forgot to quote the post..How are you doing?

/ ( place your own tag here)

554 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:23:59pm

re: #503 Salamantis

And then science corrected these errors, none of which is seriously held by any significant number of reputable scientists in the respective fields today. Science is self-correcting, something that cannot be said for ancient dogmas eternally frozen in self-claimed perfection.

Religion doesn't correct? So modern Jews believe adultery is punishable by death? 99% of Christians believe that the earth is 4400 years old?

The point is, science has been responsible for grievous errors that resulted in massive death tolls, just as religion has. It still makes horrible mistakes and it always will. Worship science and you go down the same path to intolerance and murder as you do if you become a religious fanatic.

555 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:24:03pm

Boy, do I feel dumb. After almost 10K posts, I now finally know what that crazy "/" thingy is! Here all along I'd been using it sorta like breadcrumbs in the woods, so I could find my way back to my last post.

Sheesh!

/

556 Franktalk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:24:13pm

re: #543 kansas

Yes Jaba the Gore

557 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:24:32pm

re: #513 sattv4u2

Okay, so here it goes. From YOUR 1st salvo >
I'm probably in the extreme minority here but I think that sarcasm tags are unnecessary and extremely gauche.

you called all who use the tag "EXTREMELY GAUCHE"

They also give me the impression that people can't read between the lines and demonstrates a severe lack of humor.

you also called us HUMORLESS

the rest of you diatribe was along the same lines, stating that we're too stupid to recognize sarc or humor without the tag

(I still luv ya, though)

Yup. thats what happened.

558 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:04pm

re: #555 Cartman

Boy, do I feel dumb. After almost 10K posts, I now finally know what that crazy "/" thingy is! Here all along I'd been using it sorta like breadcrumbs in the woods, so I could find my way back to my last post.

Sheesh!

/

Thanks for explaining that. Now you know why nobody was taking you seriously.

559 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:12pm

re: #547 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The pictures at Ali Mohammed's site are just stunning. Except for architectural differences, it could be any great city on this earth.

Americans tend to be very provincial.

Nice looking town, Baghdad is. The bridges remind me of places like St Louis.

560 MacGregor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:17pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

How many public school districts nationwide, if any, are currently teaching ID in science class?

/I mean, what are we really talking about here?

None that I know in CT. They teach agw in science, politics, current events, and health. Different agenda up here, but it doesn't take away the urgency of disco nationally injecting religion into science.

561 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:23pm

re: #553 HoosierHoops

maybe.. I forgot to quote the post..How are you doing?

/ ( place your own tag here)

Better by the minute.

562 kansas  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:28pm

re: #556 Franktalk

Yes Jaba the Gore


Buurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppp

563 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:46pm

re: #538 Bat Boy

you need to change the 'I' to I. Its all about girth baby.

I hear Bill Clinton's was like this I.

I need a larger font and a wider screen.

564 Franktalk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:25:57pm

Where was Dan Rather when the wedge was found?

565 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:26:29pm

re: #458 Bat Boy

Oye, mijita Boliviana! Lo hice con carino y tiernura - como lo conocen solo los murcialegos..

Me parece que de veras eres chupacabra !

566 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:26:35pm

Dammit, I'm going to miss the music thread.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:26:36pm

re: #551 Shug

Misseur Scaramanga
(*) (*)

*

LOL!

568 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:26:43pm

re: #564 Franktalk

Where was Dan Rather when the wedge was found?

In a Kinko's in Texas.

569 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:26:53pm

Come on, michael78244. I'm waiting. Is ID really about some grand nameless Creator? Maybe it's aliens! Maybe it's Vishnu! Maybe it's Allah!

Or is it the old creationism in a new box, meaning Biblical creation?

You sure you want allah's creation taught in schools? It could happen with your definition.

570 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:14pm

re: #562 kansas

Buurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppp

Just don't pull his finger.

571 Franktalk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:21pm

re: #568 jcm

I thought so

572 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:28pm

re: #531 Franktalk

I have no problem with that. I think science vs faith is a completely different debate. With the Disco Institute we're talking science vs. pseudoscience.

573 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:34pm

re: #535 Summer

There's a difference between my opinion on sarcasm tags being extremely gauche and saying you're on the other side of the fence because of your opinion on it. Not to mention the comments about my head being stuck up my ass, or that I'm a Ron Paul supporter (again...did you look that up yet? I doubt you have. I've ripped Ron Paul apart in public where it counts and made an impression. Have you?)

And just because I think that sarcasm tags point to an "acceptable" level of stupidity in society doesn't mean that you have to insult me personally - which you did. Time, after time, after time.

You were WAY out of line.


A), I didn't call you a Paul supporter, and even if I did, refute it without "wwahhh ,,, you're insulting me"
B), calling all that use the sarc tag GAUCHE and having a LACK OF HUMOR and/ or INTELLIGENCE is okay by your standards, but defending that use (as we did) is "insulting " you ,,,geezz , why does the word WHAAA come to mind again?
C) As stated in the previous thread, you were asked nicely to drop it. You insisted on perpetuating it, then when you got hammered for it you resorted to ,,, ,, whats that word again ? Oh yes ,, WHAAAA

574 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:36pm

re: #570 MandyManners

Just don't pull his finger.

Thats not his finger!

575 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:47pm

re: #558 Bat Boy

Thanks for explaining that. Now you know why nobody was taking you seriously.

Likewise, I'm sure.

576 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:27:57pm

re: #425 reno911

I'm thinking joke tags would be cool. Then I would know when to laugh. How about insult tags? Maybe some single letter call signs and brevity codes too.

Welcome to Canada.

We'll tell you when it's safe to laugh.

577 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:28:08pm

Correction, and I apologize for the error, but it's Ali Mohamed's site.

My regrettable error.

578 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:28:21pm

re: #574 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats not his finger!

Yikes!

579 kansas  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:28:33pm

re: #570 MandyManners

Just don't pull his finger.


That could make the polar bears drown.

580 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:28:47pm

re: #545 jcm

More of a °J°

o&#10004o

581 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:29:37pm

re: #547 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The pictures at Ali Mohammed's site are just stunning. Except for architectural differences, it could be any great city on this earth.

Americans tend to be very provincial.

How does your first paragraph lead to your second?

582 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:29:39pm

re: #565 wolfie

Me parece que de veras eres chupacabra !

Weno, tal vez solo soy un joven asolito en un mundo que le rechaza por sus differencias, y solo ando en busqueda del amor verdadero.... ah, no, soy el chupacabra.

583 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:30:30pm

Evolving banners at the Discovery Institute, 1996-2002:
[Link: www.ncseweb.org...]

584 godfrey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:30:45pm

Speaking of creation myths, what were the Bakuba eating?

Mbombo, the white giant ruled over this chaos. One day, he felt a terrible pain in his stomach, and vomited the sun, the moon, and the stars. The sun shone fiercely and water steamed up in clouds. Gradually, the dry hills appeared. Mbombo vomited again, this time the trees came out of his stomach, and animals, and people, and many other things: the first woman, the leopard, the eagle, the anvil, monkey Fumu, the first man, the firmament, medicine, and lighting.

A case of bad yams, sounds like.

585 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:30:53pm

re: #327 n in wi

Would you uphold one part of the establishment clause and not another ?
The whole amendment says Congress shall establish no religion, Nor inhibit the expression of.
And I am paraphrasing.

To allow particular religious dogmas to be taught in public school would indeed respect one or more establishments of religion - the ones that adhered to those particular religious dogmas - over one or more other religions who didn't share their adherence to those dogmas. It is therefore prohibited by the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

586 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:31:25pm

re: #583 jaunte

Ha!

587 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:31:26pm

re: #560 MacGregor

but it doesn't take away the urgency of disco nationally injecting religion into science.

Lots of fringe groups/movements want to do lots of things. That doesn't mean they'll be successful at getting their way.

/I'll admit, I haven't read every comment in all the ID threads, but I don't recall seeing any examples of a public school district where ID is currently being taught in science class, as a matter of policy

588 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:31:27pm

re: #575 Cartman

Likewise, I'm sure.

I said that with love. But on the other hand if you are looking to bat boy for something more insightful than talking about a marsupial nutsack, you got another thing coming.

/

589 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:31:53pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

How does your first paragraph lead to your second?

True, Americans aren't the only ones who can be provincial. Many Europeans can, as can a lot of Chinese and Indians, and Africans, and Middle Easterners.

I think it's in human nature.

590 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:32:46pm

re: #522 Thanos

The effects of Carbon are also quite small.... we need to go into the argument with all facts. I'm certainly no supporter global warming, on the other hand I won't argue with some of the science they use, that wouldn't be true nor right. Man made global warming is a fact, what's essential in the argument is to prove or disprove that it's significant enough to matter.

Modern technology does promote localized warming as seen in heat islands. The fact that global temperatures have been dropping for the last decade despite "intense or extreme", "green house" emissions would seem to prove that man-made emissions are insignificant in the global scheme of things. Volcano's are huge producers of "green house" gases, dwarfing human production, and we used to have a lot more of them earlier than what we see now. The Earth did not follow the evolution of Venus, and modern scientific models are badly flawed. It would help if the media didn't buy into an unproven theory. Reminds me of the "Y2K" fiasco that was publicized as the "end of the world" by our media, then when not one fracking incident had occurred, they quietly shut up and the hysteria passed with no responsibility of the media driven hysteria acknowledged.
/Journalists; they want to change the world for all the wrong reasons....

591 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:33:04pm

re: #589 Honorary Yooper

Remember this graphic comment on provincialism?
[Link: strangemaps.files.wordpress.com...]

592 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #554 Globular Cluster

It still makes horrible mistakes and it always will.


Those 'horrible mistakes' were mostly in the 6 centuries prior to 1844, or the transition years into this Day, where reading and access to written records are both widespread and near instantaneous.

The previous 6,000-year world restricted the power of reading, writing and reasoning accurately to priesthoods and the kingly caste... but today, Cluster, that power has been given to The People, so such 'horrible mistakes' are much less apt to happen. AlGorism is one of the biggest, but also probably one of the last, as ration and reason grow stronger, and take their place in human affairs.

593 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:33:37pm

re: #573 sattv4u2

You asked me to drop it, and you took it for two hours while I was away, even going so far as to start posting about me in this thread.

And you think I was beating a dead horse?

I guess it's okay for you to do that though, since you have one and a half thousand posts of purile crap under your belt.

I did drop it - for two hours. I would have left well enough alone had you stopped as well. You didn't. You brought it up again...and again.... And then you accuse me of "whining" when I respond after your relentless insults while I am gone?

You should look in the mirror and learn to shut the hell up.

594 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:33:41pm

re: #588 Bat Boy

By all means, knock yourself out.

595 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:33:43pm

OT
Watching a video biography of Winston Churchill on PBS. Very interesting. WC is the most famous person I ever met. Still clear in my head after these many years. A giant in history, despite Buchanan's recent attempt at a takedown. Churchill vs. Buchanan - what a turkey shoot.

596 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:34:12pm

Fairly Good Summations:

Science Is

Science Is Not

BTW - I like when it's obtained oIo better my self, easier to find a use for it...

597 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:34:26pm

re: #465 Killian Bundy

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, THE UNITED STATES IS BEING OVERRUN BY THE RAMPAGING THEOCRACY!

/make sure you have at least three weeks worth of food and water and plenty of ammunition

Heh. Retyped from the "so what" document:

At the time the "Wedge Document" was being used by Darwinists to stoke fears about theocracy, the Chariman of Discovery Institute's Board was Jewish. The present Chairman says he is "not religious", and our various officers and fellows represent an eclectic range of religious views ranging from Roman Catholic to Presbyterian to agnostic -- hardly a fundamentalist cabal!

598 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:34:31pm

black cod with miso
Use white fish of your choice. Works great on the grill.

599 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:34:36pm

Someone missed their nap this afternoon, I fear.

600 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:34:39pm

re: #591 jaunte

Remember this graphic comment on provincialism?
[Link: strangemaps.files.wordpress.com...]

Heh, yeah. :-) LOL! I think New Yorkers can be the most provincial of them all (espcially Manhattanites).

601 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:35:31pm

re: #583 jaunte

Evolving banners at the Discovery Institute, 1996-2002:
[Link: www.ncseweb.org...]

Now that's an interesting evolution.

602 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:36:33pm

re: #590 loflyer

Modern technology does promote localized warming as seen in heat islands. The fact that global temperatures have been dropping for the last decade despite "intense or extreme", "green house" emissions would seem to prove that man-made emissions are insignificant in the global scheme of things. Volcano's are huge producers of "green house" gases, dwarfing human production, and we used to have a lot more of them earlier than what we see now. The Earth did not follow the evolution of Venus, and modern scientific models are badly flawed. It would help if the media didn't buy into an unproven theory. Reminds me of the "Y2K" fiasco that was publicized as the "end of the world" by our media, then when not one fracking incident had occurred, they quietly shut up and the hysteria passed with no responsibility of the media driven hysteria acknowledged.
/Journalists; they want to change the world for all the wrong reasons....

Going back over the record the '30s where a temperature spike but ecomonic activity and human output decreased, and post WWII activity spike but temperatures dropped.

AGW is a convenient horse to which many hitched a political agenda too. The horse is turning out to be a broken down old nag.

603 Franktalk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:36:38pm

re: #592 Karridine


, as ration and reason grow stronger, and take their place in human affairs.

You have more faith in man than I do

604 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:37:03pm

re: #592 Karridine


Those 'horrible mistakes' were mostly in the 6 centuries prior to 1844, or the transition years into this Day, where reading and access to written records are both widespread and near instantaneous.

The previous 6,000-year world restricted the power of reading, writing and reasoning accurately to priesthoods and the kingly caste... but today, Cluster, that power has been given to The People, so such 'horrible mistakes' are much less apt to happen. AlGorism is one of the biggest, but also probably one of the last, as ration and reason grow stronger, and take their place in human affairs.

So... science makes fewer insane hypotheses today because "power has been given to the people". I feel safe now.

And please, call me "Glob".

605 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:37:34pm

re: #591 jaunte

Remember this graphic comment on provincialism?
[Link: strangemaps.files.wordpress.com...]

Great find! I was thinking of that very cover but had no idea how to find it.

606 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:38:19pm

re: #604 Globular Cluster

So... science makes fewer insane hypotheses today because "power has been given to the people". I feel safe now.

And please, call me "Glob".

Well Glob, pass me a beer!

607 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:38:38pm

re: #593 Summer

You asked me to drop it, and you took it for two hours while I was away, even going so far as to start posting about me in this thread.

And you think I was beating a dead horse?

I guess it's okay for you to do that though, since you have one and a half thousand posts of purile crap under your belt.

I did drop it - for two hours. I would have left well enough alone had you stopped as well. You didn't. You brought it up again...and again.... And then you accuse me of "whining" when I respond after your relentless insults while I am gone?

You should look in the mirror and learn to shut the hell up.

When did you go away, I was there from yur first words in this subject and I have not seen you stop talking about it of one minute.

608 swamprat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:39:42pm
re: #593 Summer

You asked me to drop it, and you took it for two hours while I was away, even going so far as to start posting about me in this thread.

And you think I was beating a dead horse?

I guess it's okay for you to do that though, since you have one and a half thousand posts of purile crap under your belt.

I did drop it - for two hours. I would have left well enough alone had you stopped as well. You didn't. You brought it up again...and again.... And then you accuse me of "whining" when I respond after your relentless insults while I am gone?

You should look in the mirror and learn to shut the hell up.


Charm school?
/

609 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:39:43pm

re: #604 Globular Cluster

And please, call me "Glob".

I was thinking Bular.

610 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:40:39pm

re: #609 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking Bular.

Glob Bular's day off?

611 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:41:04pm

re: #592 Karridine


Those 'horrible mistakes' were mostly in the 6 centuries prior to 1844, or the transition years into this Day, where reading and access to written records are both widespread and near instantaneous.

The previous 6,000-year world restricted the power of reading, writing and reasoning accurately to priesthoods and the kingly caste... but today, Cluster, that power has been given to The People, so such 'horrible mistakes' are much less apt to happen. AlGorism is one of the biggest, but also probably one of the last, as ration and reason grow stronger, and take their place in human affairs.

Reason grows stronger?
Reason was stronger in the 20th century than, say, in the 18th?
Oooooooookay!
(Whatever you're smokin', pass me some!)

612 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:41:05pm

re: #609 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking Bular.

Cluster.....
;-P

613 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:41:17pm

re: #609 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking Bular.

I watched War Games last night.

614 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:41:52pm

re: #593 Summer

You asked me to drop it, and you took it for two hours while I was away, even going so far as to start posting about me in this thread.

And you think I was beating a dead horse?

I guess it's okay for you to do that though, since you have one and a half thousand posts of purile crap under your belt.
I did drop it - for two hours. I would have left well enough alone had you stopped as well. You didn't. You brought it up again...and again.... And then you accuse me of "whining" when I respond after your relentless insults while I am gone?

You should look in the mirror and learn to shut the hell up.


now now ,, I only have 5,850 posts of "purile crap" under my belt. My other 9 posts are actually very lucid! (some of those don't even have a SARC tag! Can you beleive it?)

I still think we should run thru the forest together naked and make babies. How's next Tuesday for you ?

615 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:42:13pm

More resources from the National Center for Science Education:
[Link: www.ncseweb.org...]

616 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:42:26pm

re: #604 Globular Cluster

I don't know what 'feeling safe' has to do with the widespread teaching of literacy and reasoning, or the widening access to the internet and all the documents it has, Glob.

We humans are in a PROCESS, upward spiral, no matter how inane or self-defeating we SEEM at times. We're HU-MNS, God-Creatures, and we struggle upward...

Haven't you been following the evolutionary gist here? :D

617 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:42:33pm

re: #607 BBev

When did you go away, I was there from yur first words in this subject and I have not seen you stop talking about it of one minute.

hey , you tryin to horn in on my girl ?

618 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:43:25pm

re: #613 MandyManners

I watched War Games last night.

Some of us were in "war games" thirty years ago, I suspect our experiance was different than the movie...

619 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:43:25pm

re: #613 MandyManners

I watched War Games last night.

I watched Dark City again. Love that movie.

620 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:44:18pm

re: #618 loflyer

Some of us were in "war games" thirty years ago, I suspect our experiance was different than the movie...

You didn't get to change Ally Sheedy's science grade?

621 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:44:23pm

re: #611 wolfie

So you're saying our access to informed opinion and factual reality is today lessened? THAT is the thrust, Wolfie...

I ain't into smokin' NOTHING!

622 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:44:31pm

re: #619 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched Dark City again. Love that movie.

Never heard of it.

623 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:44:43pm

Would We All Behave Like Animals? A Conversation
by William Thwaites
[Link: www.ncseweb.org...]

624 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:45:02pm

re: #619 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched Dark City again. Love that movie.

A progenitor to the Matrix?

625 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:45:10pm

re: #590 loflyer

Reminds me of the "Y2K" fiasco that was publicized as the "end of the world" by our media, then when not one fracking incident had occurred

There were a few scattered incidents around the world. I happen to know, for instance, that key records in the Jamaican national police force were wiped clean. Oops. But certainly nothing remotely close to what was predicted.

626 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:45:26pm

re: #614 sattv4u2

now now ,, I only have 5,850 posts of "purile crap" under my belt. My other 9 posts are actually very lucid! (some of those don't even have a SARC tag! Can you beleive it?)

I still think we should run thru the forest together naked and make babies. How's next Tuesday for you ?

I don't know what is going between the two of you, but your post was hilarious!

627 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #617 sattv4u2

hey , you tryin to horn in on my girl ?

I'm still not sure it is a girl. So I will let you check it out first.

628 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:45:55pm

re: #612 jcm

Cluster.....
;-P

That's "Mr. Cluster" to you.

629 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:46:04pm

re: #620 MandyManners

You didn't get to change Ally Sheedy's science grade?

Nah, we blew it up.....

630 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:46:11pm

re: #625 Occasional Reader

There were a few scattered incidents around the world. I happen to know, for instance, that key records in the Jamaican national police force were wiped clean. Oops. But certainly nothing remotely close to what was predicted.

I paid good money to make that happen.

631 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:46:42pm

re: #627 BBev

I'm still not sure it is a girl. So I will let you check it out first.

now THAT is just not right...

632 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:46:43pm

re: #630 MandyManners

I paid good money to make that happen.

And how much fun did you have there? ;-)

633 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:47:09pm

Nutsack - check

Boobs - check

Pull my finger - check

Run through the woods naked and make babies?

Entertaining thread.

634 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:47:37pm

re: #616 Karridine

We're HU-MNS

Actually, I'm "human".

635 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:47:40pm

re: #617 sattv4u2

hey , you tryin to horn in on my girl ?

Actually, she sounds more like a very unhappy Ex-wife....

636 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:47:43pm

re: #631 joecitizen

now THAT is just not right...

Ya well maybe not for you but for me it sounds like a very good plan.

637 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #633 Racer X

you forgot the sarc tag

638 Josephine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:48:06pm

Good night, folks.

Here's a recap for those just joining us:

Someone posted up top about missing his/her summer and I thought he/she was talking about the weather. (I'm just glad I didn't ding it up or down or there would have been hell to pay.)

Much profanity, joking and righteous indignation ensued. Legs were pulled and a new rule about sarc tags was suggested.

Note to file: we've been having a bizarre summer so far in Toronto. Lots of heat and humidity as per usual, plus lots of thunderstorms.

(Insert curse words as desired, shake well, cook overnight and check on the leftovers in the morning.)

/
//
///

(High five!)

639 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:48:19pm

re: #626 loflyer

I don't know what is going between the two of you, but your post was hilarious!

Truth be told, I'm not sure either, But I AM ammusing myself here at work. Passes the time

640 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:48:29pm

re: #634 Occasional Reader

Actually, I'm "human".

I prefer homo sapiens sapiens, thankyouverymuch.

641 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:48:59pm

re: #628 Globular Cluster

That's "Mr. Cluster" to you.

*snaps to attention*
Yes Sir! Mr. Cluster Sir!
*hand salute*

642 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:49:04pm

Ahhhh...the bubble scene in the movie Tommy.

/VH1C

643 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:49:05pm

re: #555 Cartman

{{{ Cartman }}} ;)

644 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:49:06pm

re: #624 Syrah

A progenitor to the Matrix?

Actually, a bunch of the sets for Dark City were later used in the original Matrix.

re: #622 MandyManners

A guy wakes up in a hotel room with complete amnesia and finds a dead prostitute when the phone rings and he is told he was part of a secret project which erased his memory and to run if he wants to live.

645 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:49:49pm

re: #639 sattv4u2

Truth be told, I'm not sure either, But I AM ammusing myself here at work. Passes the time

So you get paid for having all this fun. Nice.

646 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:49:49pm

re: #633 Racer X

Nutsack - check

Boobs - check

Pull my finger - check

Run through the woods naked and make babies?

Entertaining thread.

Don't forget
‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›
and
(*)

647 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:50:18pm

re: #614 sattv4u2

Stop being a sexist pig, please. Are you planning on calling me "sweetie" next?

648 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:50:25pm

re: #625 Occasional Reader

There were a few scattered incidents around the world. I happen to know, for instance, that key records in the Jamaican national police force were wiped clean. Oops. But certainly nothing remotely close to what was predicted.

I can believe that, but nothing was reported by the mass media, I am especially bitter because our management chose to ignore our opinions and wasted millions on unnecessary upgrades that were obsolete four years later. The dot.com crash occurred afterwords and it took years before IT recovered...

649 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:50:29pm

re: #638 Josephine

Bye Josephine.

(////

(opposable thumbs!)

650 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:50:41pm

re: #640 Honorary Yooper

I prefer homo sapiens sapiens, thankyouverymuch.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

651 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:50:49pm

re: #643 NY Nana

♥ Nana ♥

652 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:51:26pm

Are there really people who believe Genesis is the factual account of how we got here? Thats downright scary.

My first experience debating someone like that was when I was about 10 years old and my buddy's dad was a preacher in a neighborhood "holy roller" Church, I'm not sure of the denomination. I mentioned something about dinosaurs and the guy overheard it and scoffed at the notion that there was ever such a thing as dinosaurs. I asked him well what about all the fossils? His reply was that fossils were just rocks that scientists tried to say were bones. I laughed at him.

That did not go over well.

653 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:51:37pm

re: #647 Summer

Stop being a sexist pig, please. Are you planning on calling me "sweetie" next?

naaahhh ,,, I prefer shnookums,

654 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:02pm

re: #632 Honorary Yooper

And how much fun did you have there? ;-)

You'll have to ask my cabana boy.

655 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:24pm

re: #653 sattv4u2

naaahhh ,,, I prefer shnookums,

Get a room you two!

656 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:39pm

re: #648 loflyer

I am especially bitter

Cling to your gun! It'll make you feel better.

:P

657 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #655 Honorary Yooper

Get a room you two!

Beat me too it ;-)

658 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #644 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, a bunch of the sets for Dark City were later used in the original Matrix.

re: #622 MandyManners

A guy wakes up in a hotel room with complete amnesia and finds a dead prostitute when the phone rings and he is told he was part of a secret project which erased his memory and to run if he wants to live.

Bizarre.

659 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:51pm

re: #646 jcm

Don't forget
‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›
and
(*)

...and the proper txt symbols for Bill Clinton's naughty bits.

660 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:53pm

Will testosterone and IQ come next?

661 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:52:55pm

re: #653 sattv4u2

And you complain about Obama? You're worse. At least he apologized.

662 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:27pm

The identity of the Discovery Institute, and their agenda to subvert the constitution, is relatively new to me, but as I read about them I can see that they have been at this for a little over 20 years. They show no signs of giving up on this political agenda of theirs any time soon.

The fact that they have been unsuccessful all these years is most certainly not because people have chosen to ignore the threat they pose to constitutional law and science education, but because people who see this clear threat are fighting it, and drawing attention to it as Charles does here.

663 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:30pm

public school intelligent design curriculum

/after a quick perusal, it seems it's gone down in legal flames everywhere it's been attempted to be introduced so far

664 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:31pm

re: #658 MandyManners

A guy wakes up in a hotel room with complete amnesia and finds a dead prostitute when the phone rings and he is told he was part of a secret project which erased his memory and to run if he wants to live.

Is he Elliot Spitzer ?

665 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:33pm

re: #654 MandyManners

You'll have to ask my cabana boy.

Did it make Hedonism II look downright prudish? :-)

666 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:41pm

re: #658 MandyManners

Bizarre.

It's actually very good, in a bizarre sort of way.

667 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:53:50pm

re: #652 Mich-again

His reply was that fossils were just rocks that scientists tried to say were bones

I think we had this conversation before... technically, they are rocks, of course.

668 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:15pm

re: #645 BBev

So you get paid for having all this fun. Nice.

yeah ,, as soon as the Indy Race highlights are done I'm outta here

669 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:33pm

re: #659 ErnieG

...and the proper txt symbols for Bill Clinton's naughty bits.

How's this

J

670 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:38pm

re: #665 Honorary Yooper

Did it make Hedonism II look downright prudish? :-)

I signed a confidentiality pledge. I cannot talk about it.

671 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:46pm

get it

It's curved

672 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #658 MandyManners

Bizarre.

It also has my favorite tag line in movie history.

"They built the city to see what makes us tick. Last night one of us went off."

673 BigJohn  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:55pm

re: #555 Cartman

I know what you mean. I'm not in your league in posts, but just today, I was wandering what the "/" meant and I thought about asking.

And by god, now I know.

674 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:54:59pm

re: #652 Mich-again

Are there really people who believe Genesis is the factual account of how we got here?

Yes.

Thats downright scary.

What's more scary is they've formed their own lobby to push this idea into our schools, and they vote.

675 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:00pm

re: #666 Syrah

It's actually very good, in a bizarre sort of way.

Who killed the hooker?

676 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:08pm

re: #661 Summer
Yeah, he apologized, but he put sarc tag on it.

677 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:14pm

re: #630 MandyManners

I paid good money to make that happen.

And I got it done, didn't I?

678 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #660 Thanos

Will testosterone and IQ come next?

LMAO! High five!

679 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:33pm

re: #661 Summer

And you complain about Obama? You're worse. At least he apologized.

thats because he's a wussy man. I'm a manly man, So if Tuesday is no good for you, how about Thursday? (can't be Wednesday, thats the day we sexist pigs have our meetings!)

680 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:40pm

A Disco Institute front group made headlines today.....
Christians challenge teaching of evolution

A Christian group promoting intelligent design theory over evolution has sent teaching material to schools that critics say is religious propaganda and sloppy pseudoscience.

The Education Ministry says the unsanctioned material does not breach the Education Act and there are no plans to ban its distribution.

But officials stress the theory of evolution underpins the science curriculum and schools have a responsibility to teach theories that are subject to accepted scientific scrutiny.

Focus on the Family has sent The Privileged Planet CD and booklet to 400 high schools, asking that they be made available to science teachers and school libraries.

Waikato University biological sciences senior lecturer Alison Campbell says the material champions creationism - the belief that God created the world as described in the Book of Genesis - claiming the universe is too perfect to have been produced by chance so must be the work of an intelligent designer.

It represented a religious viewpoint, she said, not a scientific one, and had no place in science classrooms.

"It's an underhand way of getting creationist material into schools."

681 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:51pm

re: #668 sattv4u2

yeah ,, as soon as the Indy Race highlights are done I'm outta here

So are you hooking up with Summer after that?
sarc/

682 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:55:54pm

re: #616 Karridine

I don't know what 'feeling safe' has to do with the widespread teaching of literacy and reasoning, or the widening access to the internet and all the documents it has, Glob.

We humans are in a PROCESS, upward spiral, no matter how inane or self-defeating we SEEM at times. We're HU-MNS, God-Creatures, and we struggle upward...

Haven't you been following the evolutionary gist here? :D

In the 20th Century, societies were industrialized and science was exploding in power and explanatory precision as never before. During that century, Stalin murdered 50 million, Hitler exterminated 6m Jews, 3M Soviet POW's, and millions more. WWII casualties surpassed 72 million. This is not including WWI.

Science gives people better and more powerful toys. MRI machines and atom bombs, polio vaccines and machine guns. It is amoral. It is the same idiotic man that uses these toys in the 21st century and does untold multiples more damage as the idiotic man like Vlad the Impaler, who threaded pikes up 20,000 rectums.

683 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:18pm

re: #675 MandyManners

Who killed the hooker?

Someone check the Kennedy compound... everyone's alibi checks out?

684 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:20pm

re: #676 n in wi

Yeah, he apologized, but he put sarc tag on it.

SHHHH ,,I typed the sarc tag in invisible ink !

685 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:24pm

re: #675 MandyManners

Who killed the hooker?

Watch the movie.

686 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:35pm

re: #677 Occasional Reader

And I got it done, didn't I?

I'll forever be in your debt.

687 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:42pm

re: #621 Karridine

So you're saying our access to informed opinion and factual reality is today lessened? THAT is the thrust, Wolfie...

I ain't into smokin' NOTHING!

Just kidding about the smoking, K !
Access to information and/or opinion, in and of itself, does nothing to increase reasoning ability, much less wisdom. A billion semi-literate fools schooled in nonsense are not necessarily an improvement over illiterate peasants relying on tradition.

688 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:49pm

re: #661 Summer

And you complain about Obama? You're worse. At least he apologized.

he apologized ?

where ?

689 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:56:51pm

I forgot to mention that the argument "so what" is.... sophisticated.

690 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:57:02pm

The Pizza is here so Bat Boy must leave. Wolfie, indeed it is goat pizza. Everyone, have a great evening. It has been fun.

691 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:57:10pm

re: #652 Mich-again

Are there really people who believe Genesis is the factual account of how we got here? Thats downright scary.

My first experience debating someone like that was when I was about 10 years old and my buddy's dad was a preacher in a neighborhood "holy roller" Church, I'm not sure of the denomination. I mentioned something about dinosaurs and the guy overheard it and scoffed at the notion that there was ever such a thing as dinosaurs. I asked him well what about all the fossils? His reply was that fossils were just rocks that scientists tried to say were bones. I laughed at him.

That did not go over well.

I'll bet the look on his face was priceless.

692 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:57:47pm

re: #681 BBev

So are you hooking up with Summer after that?
sarc/

see my 679,,, we're frolicking naked thru the woods either Tuesday or Thursday, Her choice. But she has to bring the adult beverages

693 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:58:04pm

re: #683 Occasional Reader

Someone check the Kennedy compound... everyone's alibi checks out?

They're alibiing each other.

694 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:58:35pm

re: #673 BigJohn

I know what you mean. I'm not in your league in posts, but just today, I was wandering what the "/" meant and I thought about asking.

And by god, now I know.


The actual history of the tag on LGF was that it was to be used to avoid conflict...

695 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:58:42pm

re: #693 MandyManners

They're alibiing each other.

As usual.

696 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:58:46pm

re: #693 MandyManners

They're alibiing each other.

right. At the Kennedy compound, you're either part of the alibi or you're the reason they need one

697 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:58:58pm

re: #684 sattv4u2

I meant when Obama apologized, he put /sarg down there in the corner.

698 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:07pm
699 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:13pm

re: #694 MJ

The actual history of the tag on LGF was that it was to be used to avoid conflict...

That went well.

700 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:20pm

re: #682 Globular Cluster

as the idiotic man like Vlad the Impaler, who threaded pikes up 20,000 rectums.

However, he did get the Caliphate's attention with that stunt.

701 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:34pm

re: #697 n in wi

I meant when Obama apologized, he put /sarg down there in the corner.

in the corner under the bus?

702 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:43pm

re: #695 Honorary Yooper

As usual.

I could make a crude joke about the family that slays together but, I won't.

703 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:46pm

re: #669 Shug

How's this

J

°J°

704 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:52pm

re: #634 Occasional Reader

Actually, I'm "human".


Yes, so am I, and the word comes from Sanskrit roots, Hu- GOD
and M'N creature (NOT MALE)

HuMan is the God-creature. That's all I meant, and I intended it as praise, not criticism.

705 Bat Boy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 7:59:58pm

re: #693 MandyManners

They're alibiing each other.

Does that require kneepads or KY?

/Bat Boy, out!

706 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:06pm

re: #696 Shug

right. At the Kennedy compound, you're either part of the alibi or you're the reason they need one

True, dat.

707 Vikingstar  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:06pm

Reading these threads on ID and the fight to save materialistic evolution can be painful.

Look, folks, if the greatest threat we face is the Great Intelligent Design Conspiracy, then we are pretty well off.

Perosnally, I'm more concerned about people whose religious beliefs explicitly tell them they MUST kill "infidels", or people who believe that they can start the Muslim version of Armaggedon, or the people who want to make America into a Socialist utopia, or the people who actually believe that carbon is a pollutant, or the people who believe that Israel is the only reason the Middle East is about to go "boom", or the people who believe that God is white and hate blacks, or the people who believe that God is black and hates whites, or the people who believe that America is the sole root of evil in the world today, or the people who think we're not taxed enough yet, or the people who think the Fairness Doctrine is about encouraging free speech, or the people who think that Pat Buchanan makes sense, or about 5,000 other things.

Compared to this and the 5,000 things I didn't mention, worrying about ID should be pretty low on the priority list, don't you think?

...but then, I'm just as extreme right-wing fundamentalist Christian crackpot, so what do I know?

708 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:06pm

re: #703 jcm

AAii it's got eyes!

709 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:20pm

re: #690 Bat Boy

The Pizza is here so Bat Boy must leave. Wolfie, indeed it is goat pizza. Everyone, have a great evening. It has been fun.

Judging by your avatar, your evolution is incomplete...

710 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:36pm

re: #705 Bat Boy


go eat your Pizza

711 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:39pm

re: #692 sattv4u2

see my 679,,, we're frolicking naked thru the woods either Tuesday or Thursday, Her choice. But she has to bring the adult beverages

Dude I'm still not sure it's a she but I'm just saying. I have been wrong before. Summer are you a gal?

712 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:00:44pm

re: #702 MandyManners

I could make a crude joke about the family that slays together but, I won't.

How about the family that drinks together and ought never be allowed to drive a car?

713 n in wi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:01:03pm

re: #701 sattv4u2

Right next to granny

714 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:01:08pm

re: #705 Bat Boy

Go eat your pizza before it gets cold.

715 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:01:22pm

re: #682 Globular Cluster

Is that the "Science leads you to killing people" argument?

716 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:01:51pm

re: #667 Occasional Reader

I think we had this conversation before... technically, they are rocks, of course.

Which kind? Metamorphic, igneous or sedimentary? Now I will admit that sometimes the paleontologists go too far like when they find a new sort of jawbone and then extrapolate exactly what the creature may have looked like in its entirety down to the color of the skin. Thats more of a guess than anything. But as a whole to deny that dinosaurs ever walked the earth and that carbon dating is baseless, thats just head in the sand nonsense.

717 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:01:58pm

re: #711 BBev

Dude I'm still not sure it's a she but I'm just saying. I have been wrong before. Summer are you a gal?

well, if Summer is NOT a girl, I'll insist he wear a jock strap as we frolick !

718 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:02:05pm

Pizza os good, but a waitress sandwich is better

719 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:02:06pm

re: #435 jaunte

Is it time to bring out comment 1189 again?

You called? ;)

Just in case...

720 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:02:23pm

An old couple, well into their ninties were still in good health thanks to her switching to healthy food choices, were killed in a freak car accident.
Arriving in heaven, they were greeted by St. peter and escorted to a fabulous mansion with a stunning view of a golf course.
"Here is your new home," said St. Peter.
"We can't afford anything like this, we're on a fixed income and have little left of our nest egg," said the old man.
St Peter said,"Its free, this is heaven. look at this wonderfl golf course, nothing on earth compares, and best of all, it changes every time you play."
"But what about club house due? What about greens fees?" asked the old man.
"Its FREE! This is H E A V E N,' said St. Peter.
"What will we eat?" Asks the wife.
St. Peter leads them into a huge kitchen stocked with ever kind of food and spice imaginable.
"But what about low cholesterol? What about low fat and sodium free foods?" Asks the wife.
"There is no more disease, illness is a thing of the past," says St. Peter.
"You and your blasted bran muffins," Shouts the old man to his wife, "I could have been her ten years ago."

721 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:02:34pm

re: #707 Vikingstar

Don't you understand that if allow ID to be taught in the public schools, the Islamic creation myth must be taught, too?

722 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:02:56pm

re: #719 NY Nana

Fast work!

723 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:00pm

re: #704 Karridine

Yes, so am I, and the word comes from Sanskrit roots, Hu- GOD
and M'N creature (NOT MALE).

I don't think that's the correct etymology, no offense.

724 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:01pm

re: #708 jaunte

AAii it's got eyes!

Nah! but check for lizards on the nutsacks.

725 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:04pm

re: #717 sattv4u2

well, if Summer is NOT a girl, I'll insist he wear a jock strap as we frolick !

Holy crap , thats funny. I would hope there would be far more clothing then that in that case.

726 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:15pm

re: #699 ErnieG

That went well.


Actually Ernie, having been here since 2001, I can't remember anyone who ever complained about it use until today. I've seen plenty of arguments when it wasn't used though.
Go figure.

727 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:35pm

re: #687 wolfie

EXACTLY! Agreed, billions of semi-literate, ill-informed are arguably WORSE than an informed priesthood and a benign king ruling us...

Yet the learning IS taking roots, the use of THIS VERY WEBSITE offers a chance and motivation to LEARN, and we can inform ourselves and admit mistrakes...

And 'fact-checking my azz' is a phenomenon only recently come into play, and it mitigates powerfully for a reality-based knowledge, both shared and discrete, Wolfie...

728 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:38pm

re: #726 MJ

ditto

729 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:45pm

re: #707 Vikingstar

Reading these threads on ID and the fight to save materialistic evolution can be painful.

Look, folks, if the greatest threat we face is the Great Intelligent Design Conspiracy, then we are pretty well off.

/especially since the ID freaks have yet to get their agenda past the court challenges and into a public school science curriculum

730 Salamantis  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:03:51pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

Hence the disingenuousness of the DI. This leaves the door open to space aliens (and the Space Pope!). Do you really expect me to believe Phillip Johnson's strategy is about promoting space aliens as the Creator? Get real. I'm not fooled by your DI talking points.

It's even worse. To teach Intelligent Design in schools disadvantages and discriminates not only those secularists who do not buy it, but also Buddhists, Taoists, and members of other religions that do not see an intelligence beind the creation of the universe, not to mention Pagans, Animists and other Polytheists, whose religions see more than one.

731 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:00pm

re: #690 Bat Boy

The Pizza is here so Bat Boy must leave. Wolfie, indeed it is goat pizza. Everyone, have a great evening. It has been fun.

I knew it !A chupacabra trying to pass as the bat boy!

732 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:06pm

re: #723 Occasional Reader

I don't think that's the correct etymology, no offense.

So we haven't been human that long after all.
/

733 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:20pm

re: #707 Vikingstar

Compared to this and the 5,000 things I didn't mention, worrying about ID should be pretty low on the priority list, don't you think?


There's very little chance that Islam will win in the long run because they they are a xenophobic Luddite culture with no understand of the Enlightenment or Reason. The only way they can win is if we become like them.

734 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:30pm

re: #716 Mich-again

Which kind? Metamorphic, igneous or sedimentary?

I was being partly flippant, of course. They aren't "rocks", but they are mineral in nature... the living tissue is long gone due to the process of fossilization.

735 MacGregor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:31pm

re: #696 Shug

right. At the Kennedy compound, you're either part of the alibi or you're the reason they need one

The sign on the compound gate reads: "Warning - Trespassers will be Violated."

736 BigJohn  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:04:50pm

re: #694 MJ

Thank you. \\\\\

737 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:05:01pm

What happens at the Kennedy compound stays at Kennedy compound. Joseph Kennedy was a crook who made a fortune during the Prohibition on bootleg alcohol. He was a Nazi advocate and damn poor ambassador to England. It's amazing JFK is acknowledged as a revered leader with the background of his father and family.

738 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:05:17pm

re: #729 Killian Bundy

/especially since the ID freaks have yet to get their agenda past the court challenges and into a public school science curriculum

How much will that cost taxpayers in legal fees?

739 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:05:21pm

re: #736 BigJohn

Thank you. \\

Is that an anti-sarc ?

740 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:05:45pm

re: #716 Mich-again

Well, fossils are sedimentary rock if you want to be techinical. Minerals replace bone. Now, that doesn't happen in all fossils, especially the most recent ones. Then we have fossils that are entirely composed of impressions with no bone structure what-so-ever.

741 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:05:53pm

re: #711 BBev

Yes, I am.

742 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:06:22pm

I / am / sorry.

743 windhorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:06:42pm
744 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:07pm

I guess it comes down to the question of how was evolution created? And biology is the observation of evolution in action. It's an important educational objective that shouldn't be formed or shaped solely by a conservative religious movement.

I don't have a problem thinking that God is behind Biology and evolution. I do have a problem with ID stating that evolution is wrong and that a verse in the Bible is the alternative.

The ID folks are VB reincarnated. Same low demeanor about life. Ben Stein could do well to realize where he has cast his vote.

There is something about becoming old or going to prison that engenders quick religion into people so that they sometimes get taken by the first bad idea that comes along. To put that in perspective for Ben Stein, it's getting tempted by an apple.

745 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:28pm

re: #741 Summer

Yes, I am.

I know I'm just bustin ya.

746 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:30pm

re: #664 Shug

re: #658 MandyManners

A guy wakes up in a hotel room with complete amnesia and finds a dead prostitute when the phone rings and he is told he was part of a secret project which erased his memory and to run if he wants to live.

Is he Elliot Spitzer ?

No, with Spitter, the hooker was alive, and his carreer was dead.

747 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:34pm
748 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:40pm

re: #711 BBev

Dude I'm still not sure it's a she but I'm just saying. I have been wrong before. Summer are you a gal?

re: #741 Summer

Yes, I am.

BBev ,,,,, moth ball the jock strap

749 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:07:48pm

re: #723 Occasional Reader

No offense taken. That etymology lists the RECENT derivations. I'll see if I can find the Sanskrit, which predates the Latin.

750 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:08:02pm

re: #740 Honorary Yooper

Well, fossils are sedimentary rock if you want to be techinical. Minerals replace bone. Now, that doesn't happen in all fossils, especially the most recent ones. Then we have fossils that are entirely composed of impressions with no bone structure what-so-ever.

Not entirely....
DNA Extracted from Dinosaur Bones
Some exceptions do exist where the organic tissues have survived.

751 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:08:18pm

re: #733 Killgore Trout

There's very little chance that Islam will win in the long run because they they are a xenophobic Luddite culture with no understand of the Enlightenment or Reason. The only way they can win is if we become like them.

They know that and they're working on it. The multi-culti PC crap is not by accident. Look at how far they've come in Europe, and in Canada.

752 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:08:37pm
753 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:08:49pm

re: #741 Summer

Yes, I am.

You have held up well with everything, You fit in here very well.

754 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:08:57pm

re: #739 Shug

Is that an anti-sarc ?

The tag is evolving.

755 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:06pm

re: #751 ErnieG

They know that and they're working on it. The multi-culti PC crap is not by accident. Look at how far they've come in Europe, and in Canada.

Thanks to Gramscian whoredom.

756 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:10pm

re: #738 MandyManners

How much will that cost taxpayers in legal fees?

So, what, you want to round up all the ID people and shoot them? This is America, they're free to push whatever agenda they want, just like all the other education lobbies.

/the point is, they're beating their collective heads against a judicial wall, the courts, State and Federal, are having none of it

757 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:31pm

re: #750 jcm

Not entirely....
DNA Extracted from Dinosaur Bones
Some exceptions do exist where the organic tissues have survived.

As I said, it doesn't happen in all fossils. In some, the bone is replaced with minerals, yet others are preserved as bone.

758 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:48pm

re: #754 MJ

The tag is evolving.

God Created the Sarc in his own image. You will have no other sarc other than the /

/

759 BigJohn  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:48pm

re: #739 Shug

I just want people to know where I stand.

760 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:09:56pm

re: #749 Karridine

No offense taken. That etymology lists the RECENT derivations. I'll see if I can find the Sanskrit, which predates the Latin.

You can derive. I call shotgun.

761 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:10:16pm

re: #662 Slumbering Behemoth

The identity of the Discovery Institute, and their agenda to subvert the constitution, is relatively new to me, but as I read about them I can see that they have been at this for a little over 20 years. They show no signs of giving up on this political agenda of theirs any time soon.

The fact that they have been unsuccessful all these years is most certainly not because people have chosen to ignore the threat they pose to constitutional law and science education, but because people who see this clear threat are fighting it, and drawing attention to it as Charles does here.

Unfortunately, it appears they are beginning to have some success, given the bill Jindal signed here in La. These things are done in slow, incremental steps, until complete success is achieved.

762 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:10:27pm

re: #749 Karridine

No offense taken. That etymology lists the RECENT derivations. I'll see if I can find the Sanskrit, which predates the Latin.


heh..I love you word guys...

763 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #707 Vikingstar

Compared to this and the 5,000 things I didn't mention, worrying about ID should be pretty low on the priority list, don't you think?

No, and here's why. It all falls under the umbrella of saving our American way of life; of defending the Constitution from all threats both foreign and domestic; of doing right by our kids and giving them the tools they'll need to keep this American way of life, to defend the Constitution from all threats both foreign and domestic.

764 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:10:49pm

re: #734 Occasional Reader

the living tissue is long gone due to the process of fossilization.

Uh Oh, yer getting all technical on this skoal dipping Budweiser swilling urban redneck!

765 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:11:18pm

re: #753 BBev

I've been here since 2003.

766 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:11:36pm

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

767 Suzette  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #122 MandyManners

If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

In my opinion this cannot be said enough. This will open doors that we really do not want opened.

768 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:11:53pm

re: #747 ploome hineni

watch it, or all the 'men' on the thread will accuse you of not having a sense of humor

and tell you to chill

they are only joking

joking

/:P

Ploome - did you just use a sarc tag?

You need to check out Summer's feelings on the use of the sarc tag. Previous thread, I think.

769 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:11:58pm

re: #760 ErnieG

LMAO! :D

770 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #749 Karridine

No offense taken. That etymology lists the RECENT derivations. I'll see if I can find the Sanskrit, which predates the Latin.

Then its a case of convergent evolution. Sanskrit and Latin coming to the same word, by two different paths.

771 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:15pm

re: #758 Shug

God Created the Sarc in his own image. You will have no other sarc other than the /

/

lol

772 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:24pm

Or since 2002...after Jenin. It was a long time ago. I might be off by six months or so. Long enough to have seen this place when most of you weren't here.

773 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:27pm

re: #756 Killian Bundy

So, what, you want to round up all the ID people and shoot them? This is America, they're free to push whatever agenda they want, just like all the other education lobbies.

/the point is, they're beating their collective heads against a judicial wall, the courts, State and Federal, are having none of it

What in the world?!

774 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:28pm

re: #765 Summer

I've been here since 2003.

Ya I know as you have told us, so why can't you get the hang of the Sarc/ tag?

Kidding

775 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:30pm

re: #737 loflyer

What happens at the Kennedy compound stays at Kennedy compound. Joseph Kennedy was a crook who made a fortune during the Prohibition on bootleg alcohol. He was a Nazi advocate and damn poor ambassador to England. It's amazing JFK is acknowledged as a revered leader with the background of his father and family.

The medias spun his loss into a win wit hthe Cuban Missle crisis. That and his war record plus an untimely death gave him his place in history rather then his involvment in dubious policies that the dems now love to project onto Republicans adnausium.

776 FinnAgain  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:12:33pm

re: #137 DeathtotheSwiss

Blasphemy!
There is only one true "Bob"!

/

777 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:13:29pm

re: #766 Syrah

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

I love the X-files line.

778 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:13:31pm

Just a note to those posting links, use the far right Icon that looks like a sideways infinity symbol to post your links. The first window inserts the URL of the source, the second window provides the description, use it. You will get more "hits" for your link, guaranteed! Good luck!

779 BigJohn  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:13:58pm

re: #772 Summer

What did it look like? Was there life?

780 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:11pm

re: #766 Syrah

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

That was, ... ahh.... different.

781 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #756 Killian Bundy

So, what, you want to round up all the ID people and shoot them?

Shoot them, no. But can we give 'em wedgies?

782 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #707 Vikingstar

Getting self informed is painful? Well yes if the mind is lazy, brain cells will complain and prefer beer.

ID could just as well be named Islamic Design. It's a perfect conduit for Sharia. Islamist's can argue for Sharia in the US on the basis of ID. It will not be that hard for them to hijack the concept as a concept of the Prophet.

None of the ID proponents would ever be capable of framing the constitution. They shouldn't be allowed to do so now. If they want God and Evolution to be discusses, they need a little respect for Dino and the Flintstones.

783 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:23pm

re: #767 Suzette

In my opinion this cannot be said enough. This will open doors that we really do not want opened.

This, to me, is the most important issue 'cause CAIR is lurking around the halls of our public schools just looking for a chance to shove Islam down our kids' throats.

784 MJ  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:26pm

re: #772 Summer

Or since 2002...after Jenin. It was a long time ago. I might be off by six months or so. Long enough to have seen this place when most of you weren't here.

What name did you post under?

785 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:35pm

re: #772 Summer

Or since 2002...after Jenin. It was a long time ago. I might be off by six months or so. Long enough to have seen this place when most of you weren't here.

So?

786 mfarmer1  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:14:36pm

re: #652 Mich-again

Are there really people who believe Genesis is the factual account of how we got here? Thats downright scary.

I'll wager the number is larger than we think. I always get kinda creeped out when I think 1 out ten drivers around me believes that for example, or 1 out of five drivers around me thinks we never landed on the moon, or that one of the two other drivers near me thinks that 19 crazed Muslim terrorists had nothing to so with 9-11.

As is often stated here, there's a bad craziness out there.

My first experience debating someone like that was when I was about 10 years old and my buddy's dad was a preacher in a neighborhood "holy roller" Church, I'm not sure of the denomination. I mentioned something about dinosaurs and the guy overheard it and scoffed at the notion that there was ever such a thing as dinosaurs. I asked him well what about all the fossils? His reply was that fossils were just rocks that scientists tried to say were bones. I laughed at him.

Wow, I bet the "Planet of the Apes" movies really sent that guy into a tizzy!

787 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:15:17pm

re: #766 Syrah

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

I love that song and video.

788 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:15:42pm

re: #766 Syrah

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

He has BHO's ears!

789 Neshobanakni  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:16:00pm

Charles:

Why are you evolving into someone who despises us (believers)? Most of us don't ignore the evidence of evolution, or pretend it's not real. We just believe it doesn't happen by accident.

You're becoming very rigid in your ideology. It's like you're way beyond us foolish Jews or Christians. Holy Reason is on your side, and once the Islamists are vanquished, those other god-botherers are next.

How much of the science do you truly understand? Are you also worried about water vapor and carbon dioxide? Global Warming must be real, because some computer models show it's true. All climate change must be human-caused, since volcanic eruptions, sunspots, and ice ages have never happened without us, the mighty human race, having caused it.

From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard.

Tom on the rez.

790 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:16:11pm

re: #761 reine.de.tout

Unfortunately, it appears they are beginning to have some success, given the bill Jindal signed here in La. These things are done in slow, incremental steps, until complete success is achieved.

Wait for the lawsuits, the ink on that law is barely dry.

/as far as I can tell, they have a perfect record, the ID proponents have lost every time they've tried this

791 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:16:11pm

Okay Kiddies. I'm heading home. Anyone thats still here in an hour os so, see ya then!

and SUMMER, in case you're gone, don't forget!

Forest,, Tuesday, about dusk. I'll be the one in the jock strap with a rose in my teeth ( or is that in a rose with a jock starp in my teeth?)

we;ll see ,,,

Just for you ,,

SARC/

792 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:16:27pm

re: #766 Syrah

A them song for the ID threads.

[questionable taste warning]

I thought it was this one....

793 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:16:34pm

re: #750 jcm

Not entirely....
DNA Extracted from Dinosaur Bones
Some exceptions do exist where the organic tissues have survived.

Ah, crap... now they're gonna build that frickkin' tourist trap off the coast of Costa Rica.

794 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:17:11pm

re: #762 joecitizen

Yeah, I'm some kinda weirdo...

I learned Thai after I learned Korean after I learned English, and when I asked the Thai word for human I learned it sounds like manoot, deriving once again from Sanskrit, as does much of Thai.

the man- part is derivative, the -oot is actually from a root -oosya, but the ya is silent and that means the trailing -s is pronounced -t

But it is my love for language, the opposable thumb for the brain, that makes me a weirdo among outcasts, Joe, I'm IN with the OUT-crowd! :D

795 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:17:16pm

re: #781 Occasional Reader

Shoot them, no. But can we give 'em wedgies?

I don't think that the Supreme Court will stand still for that.

796 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:17:37pm

re: #766 Syrah

They stole Hussein's ears!

797 Suzette  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:18:22pm

re: #783 MandyManners

This, to me, is the most important issue 'cause CAIR is lurking around the halls of our public schools just looking for a chance to shove Islam down our kids' throats.


You are quite right. It isn't a matter of belief in God or trying to get children to not believe in God. DI ... is making a huge mistake. CAIR will push their agenda full throttle in the schools then it will be all mucked up.
/teach your children well at home on religion.

798 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:18:37pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni


From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard

No no thats not true. I'm a Catholic and a Lizard.

799 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:18:43pm

re: #772 Summer

Or since 2002...after Jenin. It was a long time ago. I might be off by six months or so. Long enough to have seen this place when most of you weren't here.

Shall I begin building the podium for the medal ceremony?

Sheesh.

800 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:04pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni

Charles:

Why are you evolving into someone who despises us (believers)? Most of us don't ignore the evidence of evolution, or pretend it's not real. We just believe it doesn't happen by accident.

You're becoming very rigid in your ideology. It's like you're way beyond us foolish Jews or Christians. Holy Reason is on your side, and once the Islamists are vanquished, those other god-botherers are next.

How much of the science do you truly understand? Are you also worried about water vapor and carbon dioxide? Global Warming must be real, because some computer models show it's true. All climate change must be human-caused, since volcanic eruptions, sunspots, and ice ages have never happened without us, the mighty human race, having caused it.

From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard.

Tom on the rez.

I don't believe it happened by accident but, THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

The point is, we cannot allow one religion's POV to be taught in a science class 'cause religion is not science and, if we teach one, then we will be forced to teach Islam's creation myth.

801 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:19pm

re: #715 Slumbering Behemoth

Is that the "Science leads you to killing people" argument?

I don't think so. As I read it, Glob is pointing out that progress in science and technology, both of which are amoral, does not mean progress in civilization, wisdom, or simple decency. IOW, as much as we need and value sci-tech, we cannot live by it alone.

As someone said once: "Science can tell us how to do something, but cannot tell us why or when to do it."

802 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:29pm

re: #793 Occasional Reader

Ah, crap... now they're gonna build that frickkin' tourist trap off the coast of Costa Rica.

I'll let you have my seat on the first test run.

803 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:36pm

re: #691 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'll bet the look on his face was priceless.

I went to Catholic schools and had regular debates with the protestant kids in the neighborhood about how all Catholics were going to hell. In between our fun and games of throwing snowballs at cars and shooting muskrats with our wrist rockets. The nuns never taught us anything bad about protestants. Now I know there have been nutty Catholics who have said similar things about Protestants but I personally was never subjected to any of that crap in 12 years of Catholic schooling. We had religious differences, but we were still buddies all through our youth.

As for the preacher, we just kind of agreed to disagree. It was one of those, I don't care enough about you to worry about what you think of me things.

804 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:42pm

re: #790 Killian Bundy

/as far as I can tell, they have a perfect record, the ID proponents have lost every time they've tried this

Not for lack of trying for over 20 years now, and certainly not because people chose to ignore the DI's agenda as a threat to the constitution.

805 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:19:46pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni

Charles:

Why are you evolving into someone who despises us (believers)? Most of us don't ignore the evidence of evolution, or pretend it's not real. We just believe it doesn't happen by accident.

You're becoming very rigid in your ideology. It's like you're way beyond us foolish Jews or Christians. Holy Reason is on your side, and once the Islamists are vanquished, those other god-botherers are next.

How much of the science do you truly understand? Are you also worried about water vapor and carbon dioxide? Global Warming must be real, because some computer models show it's true. All climate change must be human-caused, since volcanic eruptions, sunspots, and ice ages have never happened without us, the mighty human race, having caused it.

From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard.

Tom on the rez.

I have watched glorious sunsets and pondered God's role in creation of our planet. I find it difficult to believe that our earth evolved from single cell organisms.

806 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:20:53pm

re: #770 Honorary Yooper

May, in fact, be just that, Yooper...

I'm looking for a definitive linkie, but what I remember was from a PRINT version of Webster's Unabridged... you know, one of those wunnerful references that had the word, and its ROOTS off to the right of the word, [Lat. human; Sans. hu-man...] Old French or High German...

But may be convergent, different paths back to the same meaning...

807 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:20:54pm

re: #797 Suzette

You are quite right. It isn't a matter of belief in God or trying to get children to not believe in God. DI ... is making a huge mistake. CAIR will push their agenda full throttle in the schools then it will be all mucked up.
/teach your children well at home on religion.

And, at church and in private school.

808 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:22:22pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni

Charles:

Why are you evolving into someone who despises us (believers)? Most of us don't ignore the evidence of evolution, or pretend it's not real. We just believe it doesn't happen by accident.
. . .

From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard.


Not true - there is no "despising" of believers.

809 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:22:36pm

re: #802 jcm

I'll let you have my seat on the first test run.

Hell, no. I'm a lawyer. You saw what happened to the lawyer, right?

810 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:22:44pm

Its been said 100's of times. Belief in evolution does not equate to atheism.

811 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:22:56pm

Neanderthal treasure trove 'at bottom of sea'

Some of the world's best preserved prehistoric landscapes survive in pristine condition at the bottom of the North Sea, archaeologists claimed yesterday.

Academic interest in what are being described as drowned Stone Age hunting grounds is likely to increase dramatically after the discovery of 28 Neanderthal flint axes on the sea bed off the East Anglian coast.

Dating from at least 50,000-60,000 years ago, they were found with other flint artefacts, a large number of mammoth bones, teeth and tusk fragments, and pieces of deer antler. The sea bed location was probably a Neanderthal hunters' kill site or temporary camp site.

The axes – one of the largest groups ever found – were spotted by a keen-eyed amateur archaeologist when a consignment of North Sea gravel arrived at the Dutch port of Flushing.

The cache was found 8 miles off Great Yarmouth and is the most northerly point in the North Sea that Neanderthal tools have been discovered. It had been feared that the ice sheets that destroyed most pre-ice age Brit-ish landscapes had done the same to the land surfaces which existed where the North Sea is now.

But archaeologists now suspect that some Neanderthal landscapes have survived under the North Sea. What's more, they are now certain that hundreds or even thousands of square miles of post-ice age prehistoric landscapes do survive there. On land they have largely been destroyed or degraded by centuries of agriculture, later human settlement and natural erosion.

The North Sea is of immense value to archaeologists and is the largest area of drowned landscape in Europe. "It's vital that parts of it should be considered as a potential World Heritage site," said Professor Vince Gaffney of the University of Birmingham, a leading authority on North Sea archaeology.

812 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:23:41pm

re: #801 wolfie

If that was truly Glob's gist, then I will be more than happy to be wrong in my original assessment.

813 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:23:45pm

re: #774 BBev

Since 2002? I call bull, and here is the proof:

Summer
Web site URL:
[Link: summerseale.wordpress.com...]

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:56 pm

No. of comments posted: 133
No. of links posted: 0

814 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:02pm

re: #800 MandyManners

The point is, we cannot allow one religion's POV to be taught in a science class 'cause religion is not science and, if we teach one, then we will be forced to teach Islam's creation myth.


Or scientology's aliens from beyond, or Spaghetti Monster's monsterism...

The purpose of American government is to govern human needs, NOT impose religious beliefs.

I concur yr analysis, Mandy

815 jcm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:13pm

re: #809 Occasional Reader

Hell, no. I'm a lawyer. You saw what happened to the lawyer, right?

LOL!

816 Fierce Guppy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:13pm

re: #122 MandyManners

If we allow ID into public schools, Muslims will demand that their creation mythology be taught, too.

What is the difference between Islamic creation mythology and Christian creation mythology? I thought they were identical.

817 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:20pm

Looks like Hamas has decided to become puppets of the Zionist Entity.

Hamas: Truce violators in Gaza will be arrested

818 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:24pm

re: #806 Karridine

The sun is setting here, Karridine. So, what's tonight's battle about?

819 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:26pm

re: #798 BBev

And I am a Jewish lizard.

820 Suzette  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:45pm

re: #807 MandyManners

Exactly.....or they will have to learn Islam in science class too...or wicca or whatever.
/my two sons were taught about God and they chose to believe in God...but it isn't the schools that should teach these things.

821 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:50pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni

This post is so full of logical fallacies and conjecture it makes my head spin.

822 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:24:58pm

re: #785 MandyManners

So, somebody commented in the other thread that I didn't have the right to criticize posting procedures because I had only a few posts under my name.

It's a bullshit ad hominem, really, but it was made as an accusation. So I'm reminding people that it is a worthless insult and that it shouldn't have been made in the first place.

And, MJ, I won't tell you who I posted under. I've never been banned. I just decided to change my name after a few years. I've never left LGF. I did post under another name and I got tired of posting after a while and stopped. I never stopped reading.

There has always been far too much of a cliquish attitude in recent years at LGF and I got tired of precisely that. And some of you tonight have demonstrated that admirably well.

823 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:25:13pm
824 loflyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:26:16pm

re: #811 NJDhockeyfan


Whoa! this would indicate that sea levels were much lower 50 thousand years ago. I thought global seas rising was a component of man-made global warming...

825 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:26:20pm

re: #813 NY Nana

I changed my name to Summer Seale when I joined Second Life and took that name.

I said that I posted under different names in the past.

Read what I say before you accuse me of lying.

826 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:26:43pm

re: #792 Sharmuta

I thought it was this one....

Both are good, but the Bloodhound Gang Video and song IMHO is slightly more appropriate because it is much more offensive. These ID/DI threads have a confrontational quality that the Fat Boy Slim song and video does not reflect.

827 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:26:55pm

re: #813 NY Nana

Since 2002? I call bull, and here is the proof:

If Summer looks anything like that I don't care how long she has been around, Nice.

828 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:14pm

re: #804 Slumbering Behemoth

Not for lack of trying for over 20 years now, and certainly not because people chose to ignore the DI's agenda as a threat to the constitution.

And they don't have anything to show for 20 years of trying, kind of a recurring pattern, no? ID doesn't threaten the Constitution, it's the other way around judging from the results.

/if they ever manage to get ID past the courts and into a public school classroom, then I'll worry about it

829 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:14pm

re: #799 Cartman

Let's hope that the banning stick will strike before it's finished.

830 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:28pm

re: #826 Syrah

I suppose- besides, Fat Boy Slim is Killgore's theme.

831 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:31pm

re: #825 Summer

I changed my name to Summer Seale when I joined Second Life and took that name.

I said that I posted under different names in the past.

Read what I say before you accuse me of lying.

Do you look like the pic?

832 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:31pm

re: #794 Karridine

Yeah, I'm some kinda weirdo...

I learned Thai after I learned Korean after I learned English, and when I asked the Thai word for human I learned it sounds like manoot, deriving once again from Sanskrit, as does much of Thai.

the man- part is derivative, the -oot is actually from a root -oosya, but the ya is silent and that means the trailing -s is pronounced -t

But it is my love for language, the opposable thumb for the brain, that makes me a weirdo among outcasts, Joe, I'm IN with the OUT-crowd! :D

Language!

833 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:27:40pm

re: #823 ploome hineni

I read it, so what?

I have other feelings

:D

Okey-dokey. Just tryin' to keep you out of the path of the wrath of Summer.

834 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:28:02pm

re: #820 Suzette

Exactly.....or they will have to learn Islam in science class too...or wicca or whatever.
/my two sons were taught about God and they chose to believe in God...but it isn't the schools that should teach these things.

An interesting Gallup poll came out that tangentially defends your notion of restricted subject matter in public classrooms. The majority of Americans believe the government is doing too many things that should be left to individuals -- 50 to 43 percent agree with this statement. Interestingly, 72 percent of Reps but only 36 percent of Dems agree. Thus, it would be the expansionist Dems who tend to introduce most debatable subjects in public schools.

835 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:28:23pm

I wonder if Killgore can procure me the world's tiniest violin?

836 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:28:39pm

re: #811 NJDhockeyfan

The "great flood" stories abound in nearly all religions. Retold over generations by the ones that survived and their descendants.

837 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:28:45pm
838 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:29:06pm

re: #814 Karridine

The purpose of American government is to govern human needs, NOT impose religious beliefs.

What you said.

839 NY Nana  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:29:07pm

re: #822 Summer

There has always been far too much of a cliquish attitude in recent years at LGF and I got tired of precisely that. And some of you tonight have demonstrated that admirably well.

You don't feel at home here, poor baby? You know where the door is.

840 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:29:16pm

re: #789 Neshobanakni

Charles:

Why are you evolving into someone who despises us (believers)? Most of us don't ignore the evidence of evolution, or pretend it's not real. We just believe it doesn't happen by accident.

You're becoming very rigid in your ideology. It's like you're way beyond us foolish Jews or Christians. Holy Reason is on your side, and once the Islamists are vanquished, those other god-botherers are next.

How much of the science do you truly understand? Are you also worried about water vapor and carbon dioxide? Global Warming must be real, because some computer models show it's true. All climate change must be human-caused, since volcanic eruptions, sunspots, and ice ages have never happened without us, the mighty human race, having caused it.

From now on, I guess the only real lizard is an atheist lizard.

Tom on the rez.

Nice strawman, mind if I set fire to it?

First of all, one need not believe in the literalist view to be either a Christian or a Jew. In fact, some of us view this literalism as a heresy.

Secondly, the Discovery Institute (as if they're interested in discovering anything at all) is letting the camel's nose in under the tent. Once the literalists' view is taught in a science class as science, what's to stop the Islamists from teaching theirs?

Thirdly, it does not matter how much of the science Charles understands, this is more a political issue than a scientific one. The DI is a political group attempting to push it's literalist religious ideas on the rest of us and violate the Establishment Clause while doing so. Here's an off tidbit of trivia, it was evangelical Christians who wanted the Establishment Clause in the first place as they wanted no government interference in their religious practices (which I fully support - govt has no place in religion). If they get ID taught as science in public schools, effectively the DI is violating the Establishment Clause by having govt endorce a religious practice, theirs. A religious practice not shared by most Christians and Jews (not to mention Hindus, Bhuddists, Taoists, and others).

Fourthly, there are many Christian and Jewish lizards who are very much real lizards.

Fifthly, the same science you pull the information about volcanoes, sun spots, and ice ages, comes from the same source that also has evolution, an old Earth, and the Big Bang. It's the height of hypocracy to use them and deny the others.

841 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #816 Fierce Guppy

What is the difference between Islamic creation mythology and Christian creation mythology? I thought they were identical.

I have no idea.

842 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:29:29pm

re: #818 hermeneutics

The usual, Herme...

"Charles HATES Christians!" ... No, he doesn't

"Charles HATES Belief" ... Uhm, no

"ID can/should be taught in school!" ... alongside Islamism? Scientology?

"You're a poo-poo head, insulting me!" ... oh, look, waaay over there...

/and how YOU, Neutics?

843 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:30:04pm

re: #831 BBev

I get pretty tired of that question. But thanks for asking anyway. =)

844 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:30:16pm

They're rerunning the very first SNL.

/hosted by George Carlin

845 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:30:16pm

re: #820 Suzette

Exactly.....or they will have to learn Islam in science class too...or wicca or whatever.
/my two sons were taught about God and they chose to believe in God...but it isn't the schools that should teach these things.

Scares the crap outta' me.

846 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:30:55pm

re: #832 joecitizen

EXCELLENT link, Joe!

847 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:30:57pm

re: #839 NY Nana

You don't feel at home here, poor baby? You know where the door is.

Hay hold on a minute here. If she looks like that pic I think she can stay for a while. Someone lock the door.

848 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:16pm

Summer

I hope you are not one of the Lizards on Charles' Ball Sack

849 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #822 Summer

There has always been far too much of a cliquish attitude in recent years at LGF and I got tired of precisely that. And some of you tonight have demonstrated that admirably well.

Hi Summer.

850 joecitizen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #813 NY Nana

Since 2002? I call bull, and here is the proof:


Summer explained this upthread,Nana...

851 swamprat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:29pm

bc? is that you?

852 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:33pm

re: #822 Summer

I'm not aware of any cliquish nature about LGF but, if I've done anything to make you feel unwanted, I apologize.

853 Summer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:43pm

re: #839 NY Nana

You're just proving my point.

Again, you don't have to personally insult me. Others have said what I just said and they have been correct. And they weren't jumped on for making that point either.

854 BBev  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:51pm

re: #843 Summer

I get pretty tired of that question. But thanks for asking anyway. =)

OK other have asked but not me.

855 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:31:59pm

re: #835 Cartman

It'll cost you. I don't "work" for free.

856 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:00pm

Well, evolution or no, if the Bible is wrong, then world events are unfolding pretty much according to what was prophesied in it, maybe not to the letter, but the folks who wrote it were, in fact, on to something. I don't have to trot out the entire list of items that have been proven out, but that list gets a little longer with time. It might have been easier for me to discount the entire book out of hand, were not for that darned list.

857 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #842 Karridine

I'm okay, Karradine. Sorta.

858 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #828 Killian Bundy

And they don't have anything to show for 20 years of trying, kind of a recurring pattern, no? ID doesn't threaten the Constitution, it's the other way around judging from the results.

I did not say that ID threatens the constitution, I said that the DI's political agenda threatens the constitution. As far as your "other way around" statement goes, would you care to expand on that?

/if they ever manage to get ID past the courts and into a public school classroom, then I'll worry about it

You don't have to worry about it if you don't want to There are plenty of other people out there who have been doing that work for you, which is precisely why the DI has been losing for 20+ years now.

859 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:32pm

re: #844 Killian Bundy

They're rerunning the very first SNL.

/hosted by George Carlin

I've got the entire first season on DVD

:)

860 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:44pm

re: #813 NY Nana

Since 2002? I call bull, and here is the proof:

A lurker, or a jerker? My chain is leaving bruises.

861 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:32:51pm

I wouldn't want to be a part of any clique that would have me as a member.

862 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:33:43pm

re: #861 Mich-again

The Balzac Lizards?