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Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:33:58 pm PDT

The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.

G.K. Chesterton

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1 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:35:00pm

TWIRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

2 Macker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:35:44pm

re: #1 MandyManners

Well that's better than HURLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:00pm

What kind of cheese? Venezulean Beaver Cheese?

4 Gislison  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:16pm

Perhaps they were cut short

5 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:30pm

Mummified Dinosaurs aside, is this a laughing matter?

6 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:48pm

We certainly have enough whine to go with that cheese.

7 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:56pm

Groove is in the Thread

8 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:56pm
9 LoFlyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:36:59pm

Drinks up!

10 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:38:39pm

Repost.

A Nigerian couple who immigrated to Austin a decade ago thought they had finally made it in America. On May 7, they closed on their first home in the States, buying a $283,000 Cedar Park house that had been headed for foreclosure.

It seemed like a good deal to Bobo and Joy Dickson. They did everything right, they thought. They got a mortgage lender, signed the papers, had the title put in their name .

But on May 14, they came home from work at their janitorial services company to find that all their furniture, family heirlooms, personal photos, clothes, even their daughter's piggybank, had disappeared.

After filing a theft report with the Cedar Park Police Department, the Dicksons were given the news. In a mix-up over whether the home was still facing foreclosure, Field Asset Services was hired to drill open the doors and seize the belongings.

Last week, Bobo Dickson, who owns the janitorial services company, said the family felt "violated. ... My family has gone through a lot, especially the kids, (who are 7 and 3). I don't have an answer to give them that would comfort them."

Cedar Park police officials said Field Asset Services told them that it carried out orders from a mortgage firm and that the Dicksons' belongings had been donated to area thrift shops. But a search of such shops turned up nothing.

SNIP

11 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:39:53pm
I chanced upon a chance to please
when chance served up a piece of cheese
by chance, it pleased
but then I sneezed
and had no chance to sneeze the cheese.

/famous lady poetess, Ima Pote

12 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:39:55pm

WHO CUT THE CHEESE

13 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:39:56pm

Thank G-d.

14 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:41:12pm

re: #12 yochanan

Stinking Bishop!

15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:41:18pm

Hmmm, Logan's Run or Zardoz? Which to watch?

16 LoFlyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:42:03pm

re: #10 MandyManners

And I thought I had "issues"!

17 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:42:19pm

THE LINE ON THE LEFT IS FOR GOV'T CHEESE

18 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:43:16pm

re: #10 MandyManners

That is just horrible. Those poor people. Hopefully, someone in their vicinity will be generous and hospitable.

19 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:43:36pm

re: #17 yochanan Of course the line is on the Left - Lefty only wants free stuff! (h/t Desert Sage)

20 Macker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:43:40pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Logan's Run. Gotta be stoned to watch Zardoz!

21 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:44:11pm

re: #16 LoFlyer

And I thought I had "issues"!

I hope this story stays around for a long time and that people reach out to this hard-working immigrant couple that pursued the American dream only to see it turn into a nightmare.

22 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:44:29pm

Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own

Emily Nordling has never met a Muslim, at least not to her knowledge. But this spring, Ms. Nordling, a 19-year-old student from Fort Thomas, Ky., gave herself a new middle name on Facebook.com, mimicking her boyfriend and shocking her father.

“Emily Hussein Nordling,” her entry now reads.

With her decision, she joined a growing band of supporters of Senator Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who are expressing solidarity with him by informally adopting his middle name.

The result is a group of unlikely-sounding Husseins: Jewish and Catholic, Hispanic and Asian and Italian-American, from Jaime Hussein Alvarez of Washington, D.C., to Kelly Hussein Crowley of Norman, Okla., to Sarah Beth Hussein Frumkin of Chicago.

Jeff Strabone of Brooklyn now signs credit card receipts with his newly assumed middle name, while Dan O’Maley of Washington, D.C., jiggered his e-mail account so his name would appear as “D. Hussein O’Maley.” Alex Enderle made the switch online along with several other Obama volunteers from Columbus, Ohio, and now friends greet him that way in person, too.

CHANGE!

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:44:45pm

When I was in Paris a few years ago I met up with an old family friend who showed me around the markets. At one of the cheese stalls she picked up a chunk of cheese and sniffed it. She held it out to me and said, "It smells like the feet of angels."
That's as close to cheese poetry I can muster.

24 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:45:17pm

re: #18 hermeneutics

That is just horrible. Those poor people. Hopefully, someone in their vicinity will be generous and hospitable.

I hope those responsible get the shit sued out of them.

How you wanna' bet that those who cleared out the house stole the good stuff and that's why it cannot be found in charity shops?

25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:45:17pm

re: #20 Macker

Logan's Run. Gotta be stoned to watch Zardoz!

More boobs in Zardoz.

26 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:45:24pm

The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.

re: #12 yochanan

WHO CUT THE CHEESE

Silent, but deadly!

27 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:46:11pm

There is no cheese haiku?

28 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:46:13pm

re: #17 yochanan

THE LINE ON THE LEFT IS FOR GOV'T CHEESE

I'll have the welfare cheese on rye.

29 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:46:55pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own


CHANGE!

Her middle name is "Stupid" in my book.

30 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:47:45pm

re: #28 CyanSnowHawk

I'll have the welfare cheese on rye.

Can I have some corned beef on mine?

31 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:48:58pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Repost.

A Nigerian couple who immigrated to Austin a decade ago thought they had finally made it in America. On May 7, they closed on their first home in the States, buying a $283,000 Cedar Park house that had been headed for foreclosure.

It seemed like a good deal to Bobo and Joy Dickson. They did everything right, they thought. They got a mortgage lender, signed the papers, had the title put in their name .

But on May 14, they came home from work at their janitorial services company to find that all their furniture, family heirlooms, personal photos, clothes, even their daughter's piggybank, had disappeared.

After filing a theft report with the Cedar Park Police Department, the Dicksons were given the news. In a mix-up over whether the home was still facing foreclosure, Field Asset Services was hired to drill open the doors and seize the belongings.

Last week, Bobo Dickson, who owns the janitorial services company, said the family felt "violated. ... My family has gone through a lot, especially the kids, (who are 7 and 3). I don't have an answer to give them that would comfort them."

Cedar Park police officials said Field Asset Services told them that it carried out orders from a mortgage firm and that the Dicksons' belongings had been donated to area thrift shops. But a search of such shops turned up nothing.

SNIP

Nice folks there at field asses services. Grand theft is grand theft, the question is, who gets the bill in civil court?

32 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:49:00pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezulean Beaver Cheese?

/that's conjuring up a pretty disgusting mental image using any definition of beaver

33 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:49:07pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, Logan's Run or Zardoz? Which to watch?

Just finished Goodfellas.

"You think I'm funny? Funny how? You think I'm a clown?"

34 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:49:10pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What kind of cheese? Venezulean Beaver Cheese?

Dare I ask?

(Also, why did I get "logged off" by switching from the last thread to this one... weird.)

35 Macker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:49:15pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Only one thing left for them to do:
أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

36 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:49:19pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

python cheese sketch lives on
sniffing paris angel feet
wensleydale anyone?

37 LoFlyer  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:50:05pm

How do you get on welfare anyway? I am really getting tired of the cute chicks, better dressed than I, and driving BMW's using WIC cards at the grocery store.....

38 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:50:20pm

re: #10 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - in your link, the EMC Mortgage Corp - the one's responsible for the "mix-up" said they'd make it up to the Dicksons with monetary damages.
But the Dicksons had discovered that: "all their furniture, family heirlooms, personal photos, clothes, even their daughter's piggybank, had disappeared."
How the hell are the Dicksons supposed to put a dollar value on family heirlooms, photographs and the like, much less erase the feelings of being violated when their property was illegally seized and stolen from them? And where the fuck is their property?
This is an extremely upsetting story and I hope EMC gets kicked in the nuts - literally speaking - by the court.

39 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:50:34pm
40 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:50:36pm

re: #32 Killian Bundy

/that's conjuring up a pretty disgusting mental image using any definition of beaver

Cindy Sheehan comes to mind

41 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

ohfortheloveofpete.

42 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:51:21pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own

CHANGE!

The Obam,a blog is chock full of posters with "Hussein" as a middle name. We pointed that out here a while back. Hey everyone Look at me! I'm Mich-Hussein-again. Woo hoo!

What a bunch of dumbasses.

43 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:51:29pm

Remember, blessed are the cheesemakers.

44 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:51:32pm

Well, praise be to Bacchus and Priapus (two of my favoritest pagan gods) that the open thread is open. It's kind of eerie, to me, that the Chesterton quote references "cheese," though... considering my recent, bird-flipping departure from Discarded Lies, where "cheese" is a frequent in-joke and from time to time even a thread topic.

45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:52:06pm

re: #34 Occasional Reader

Dare I ask?

(Also, why did I get "logged off" by switching from the last thread to this one... weird.)

Monty Python, see #8

And happens to me all the time, I have to log into almost every thread seperately.

And I went with Zardoz

46 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:52:31pm

re: #36 jaunte

Nice!

47 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:52:32pm

Please, this is the New America with the open borders. Call it by it's proper name : Queso

48 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:52:36pm

Just to be clear...

The Hanson Brothers will never change their names.

49 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:52:42pm

Very sleepy suddenly. Nighty-night, Lizards.

50 kevinmumaw  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:53:06pm

Next time we hear about police brutality, think about this as a relativity common type of behavior in Russia. Actually, it is somewhat funny, but at the same time, what a dick.

51 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:53:24pm

re: #26 solomonpanting

The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.


Silent, but deadly!

Naw, you're going deaf.

52 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:53:33pm

re: #34 Occasional Reader Same thing happens to me when I use the thread link at the upper right side of the page, but not at the lower right side of the page just above the comment section.
And I don't know why, either.

53 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:53:42pm

re: #43 Kosh's Shadow

Remember, blessed are the cheesemakers.

Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

54 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:07pm

Good nighty, Mandy

55 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:22pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Very sleepy suddenly. Nighty-night, Lizards.

Sleep tight, Mandy!

56 Macker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:25pm

Good night, Mandy!

57 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:26pm

The mouse loves his cheese
Swiss, Munster and Brie will do
Cheddar is better

58 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:31pm

re: #49 MandyManners

g'night

59 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:38pm

Dammit. Where's my Cheesey Poofs?

60 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:38pm

This explains part of it...

“I am sick of Republicans pronouncing Barack Obama’s name like it was some sort of cuss word,” Mr. Strabone wrote in a manifesto titled “We Are All Hussein” that he posted on his own blog and on dailykos.com.

heh.

61 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:44pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Weet dreams!

62 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:54:49pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, Logan's Run or Zardoz? Which to watch?

For weirdness and nudity go with Zardoz.

63 Shug  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:55:08pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

This explains part of it...


we are all Hussein .

Love,
Saddam

64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:55:09pm

re: #62 The Other Les

For weirdness and nudity go with Zardoz.

Nudity won!

65 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:55:17pm

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

EVEN arabs can be good people like those who saved jews in europe.

66 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #51 JeremyR

Naw, you're going deaf.

That's what my wife tells me, when I hear her.
:)

67 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:56:18pm

re: #20 Macker

Logan's Run. Gotta be stoned to watch Zardoz!

I wasn't.

But then I usually have jobs that require drug testing...

68 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:56:43pm

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

Damn you all to hell!

/I just went to post that

69 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:57:01pm
70 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:57:17pm

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

25 years ago, a friend of mine whipped out that welfare cheese line when we were playing a wargame (OGRE/GEV). Everybody in the room lost it, and one did the spit-take to end all spit-takes. The little cardboard counters floated gracefully away across the map on a river of Hawaiian Punch.

71 winston06  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:57:28pm

Have a great night every one

72 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:57:49pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Monty Python, see #8

And happens to me all the time, I have to log into almost every thread seperately.

And I went with Zardoz

I think the ending is prescient of the Caliphate overrunning decadent Europe..

73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:57:53pm

re: #69 SasquatchOnSteroids

Obama plays word association game in TV interview

My word:

Bus

Soros l Daddy

74 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:58:04pm

re: #66 solomonpanting

That's what my wife tells me, when I hear her.
:)

Mine doesn't talk to me any more, just pantomines then walks off in a huff.

75 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:58:20pm

re: #52 realwest


Oh! I nearly forgot! Earlier today Typicalwhitey asked any lizards on the night shift to say hello to you from him! Soooo:
HELLO TO YOU !......from Typicalwhitey

76 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:58:36pm

re: #69 SasquatchOnSteroids

Obama plays word association game in TV interview

My word:

Bus

Mine: "grandma"

77 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:59:01pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

yep, that's a good one.

78 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:59:03pm

Attn: Foodies
If you like cheese but are disappointed with the selection of Kraft Singles and bland Swiss at your local market I suggest you check out Irish Dubliner. It's pretty widely available and reasonably priced.

79 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 8:59:33pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan Hey there! Um, wasn't there a guy who's name was also Hussein who was a dictator in some ME country and committed Genocide against his own citizens, invaded a neighboring country and then got his ass roundly kicked by the US - and Coalition
forces and ultimately wound up swinging from a rope around his neck?

Wonder if that's not the real Hussein who's name their taking? Change? Hope? Anything and push anyone under the bus just for the chance to get power....hmmmmmmmmmm.
Well, I guess that means we can now all refer to him as Barack Hussein Obama!

80 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nudity won!

But, but... Jenny Agutter!

81 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:16pm

re: #76 Occasional Reader

Mine: "grandma"

I think that's the answer to my word.

82 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #74 JeremyR

Mine doesn't talk to me any more, just pantomines then walks off in a huff.

Now that speaks volumes.

83 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:43pm

re: #70 CyanSnowHawk

25 years ago, a friend of mine whipped out that welfare cheese line when we were playing a wargame (OGRE/GEV). Everybody in the room lost it, and one did the spit-take to end all spit-takes. The little cardboard counters floated gracefully away across the map on a river of Hawaiian Punch.

Groan.

(Still have my original Orge/GEV sets.)

84 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:49pm

re: #44 Throbert McGee

considering my recent, bird-flipping departure from...

We have all had bird flipping departures before. Some of us every day on the road. Not me of course, I'm the guy grooving to Electric Six in the slow lane going the speed limit wondering why everyone in the other lanes are in such a hurry.

85 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:00:51pm

re: #79 realwest

Hey there! Um, wasn't there a guy who's name was also Hussein who was a dictator in some ME country and committed Genocide against his own citizens, invaded a neighboring country and then got his ass roundly kicked by the US - and Coalition
forces and ultimately wound up swinging from a rope around his neck?

Wonder if that's not the real Hussein who's name their taking? Change? Hope? Anything and push anyone under the bus just for the chance to get power....hmmmmmmmmmm.
Well, I guess that means we can now all refer to him as Barack Hussein Obama!

I got a job today and I did not put 'Hussein' on the application.

86 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:01:04pm

re: #65 yochanan

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

EVEN arabs can be good people like those who saved jews in europe.

Yes. A brave and wise man. God bless him.

87 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:01:08pm

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own
CHANGE!

I'm telling y'all, BHO is fast becoming the Ron Paul of the left. The Crazies and The Stupids are flocking to him like sheep. He has become the Messiah of The Dumb.

88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:01:12pm

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

But, but... Jenny Agutter!

It was a close one, but Charlotte Rampling came out slightly ahead tonight.

89 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:01:33pm

putting up NO/ bama stickers in chi town wonder how long they will stay up

90 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:01:59pm

re: #71 winston06

Have a great night every one

Thanks, winston! You too!

91 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:02:10pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

but are disappointed with the selection of Kraft Singles and bland Swiss at your local market

Eh? I have a stunning variety of cheeses available within a one mile radius of my home. You could call where I live... Cheesesland.

92 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:02:22pm

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

My 16 year old son has absconded with my copy of Logan's Run, and won't admit it.

93 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:02:27pm

Here are two pages of pics from last weekend's Solstice Parade in Santa Barbara, California (of course).

As proof of our existence in a divine comedy, maybe?

Santa Barbara Solstice Parade 2008

94 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:02:29pm

re: #75 wolfie Why thank you wolfie, that's most kind of you!

95 Lightworker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:02:39pm

Vote for me and you can have all the cheese you need for free.

96 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:03:32pm

re: #85 NJDhockeyfan
HEY! That's great news! Who is the job with - is it BoA? Whatcha gonna do in the new job? That really is GREAT NEWS!
Mazel Tov!

97 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:03:51pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was a close one, but Charlotte Rampling came out slightly ahead tonight.

Thoughts For The Day

[Link: lesbates.blogspot.com...]

[Link: lesbates.blogspot.com...]

98 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:09pm

re: #95 Lightworker

Vote for me and you can have all the cheese you need for free.

Love the jacket.

99 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:18pm

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Eh? I have a stunning variety of cheeses available within a one mile radius of my home. You could call where I live... Cheesesland.

Wisconsin?

100 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:25pm

re: #93 slokat

The world's largest tin foil hat?

101 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:28pm

re: #82 solomonpanting

Now that speaks volumes.

I've found a good reply to her antics is to shout "Hey, I'm not deaf yet". that usually gets me the bird.

102 wee fury  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:38pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout
I buy Kraft singles for my neighbors dog.

103 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:04:47pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Attn: Foodies
If you like cheese but are disappointed with the selection of Kraft Singles and bland Swiss at your local market I suggest you check out Irish Dubliner. It's pretty widely available and reasonably priced.

Oh yes, that is some tasty cheese. It's so yeasty and bready it tastes almost like beer (which is somehow appropriate for an Irish cheese!).

The cats like it, also. The first time I ate it they actually stalked me.

104 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:05:28pm

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Most of the mainstream have a terrible selection of cheeses. I think it's just the American pallet. Here in Oregon, Tillamook is revered for it's cheese but it's just crappy American Cheese and bland Swiss.

105 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:05:44pm

re: #92 jaunte

My 16 year old son has absconded with my copy of Logan's Run, and won't admit it.

Tell him stalk actresses his own age.

I still got a crush on Brook Shields.

106 Lightworker  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:06:18pm

re: #98 SasquatchOnSteroids
Thanks, dry clean is a bitch though.

107 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:06:56pm

re: #93 slokat

Fantastic!

Hmmmm......a cowboy and a devil? Bush and Cheney !

108 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:07:29pm

Someday a tourist from another planet (not necessarily an alien) with come to Earth looking for the town of Cheeseburg, the legendary home of the cheeseburger.

109 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:07:33pm

re: #96 realwest

HEY! That's great news! Who is the job with - is it BoA? Whatcha gonna do in the new job? That really is GREAT NEWS!
Mazel Tov!

Thanks! No BoA. They haven't even interviewed me yet. I'm supposed to have a 30 minute interview over the phone Wednesday. I'm going to tell them they took too long.

Two of my mortgage clients work at one of the biggest car dealerships in the area. They bragged about me at the manager's meeting yesterday then called me and said I was hired as soon as I walked in the door. Now I'm a car salesman.

:)

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:08:10pm

re: #103 Pawn of the Oppressor

One of my favorite meals is Dubliner cheese, wine, baguette, and fresh figs. A little Patte and it's a real plowman's lunch.

111 Tasty Beverage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:09:04pm

re: #44 Throbert McGee

What happened with the DL crowd? I haven't been around much lately, so I'm sorry if you've already explained. Maybe you could link to an earlier comment where you tell the story.

And what was up with some of them wanting somebody (can't remember who) to sue Charles? (Lawrence Auster maybe?)

112 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:09:19pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
A car salesman? New or "Previously Owned?" And the brand of car you sell is.................?!?

113 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:09:45pm
114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:08pm
115 daledog  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:25pm
116 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:37pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

not the extra sharp cheddar!

117 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:42pm

The Lizard Lounge is a bitch tonight, it wants to open in the same window as the LGF bog.

Open the lounge in a new browser window, and prepare to be prepared.

118 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:43pm

re: #101 JeremyR

I've found a good reply to her antics is to shout "Hey, I'm not deaf yet". that usually gets me the bird.

Ahhh! To be young and in love.....

119 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:46pm

Sounbd like WWIII outside, the Countrary stampeders are shooting a few fireworks.

120 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:10:52pm

why would cheese have a halal label?

121 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:11:13pm

It's not FAS' first time to remove things from a private home by mistake.

[Link: www.corank.com...]

Good night for sure.

122 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:11:22pm

Oh, Kilgore, don't you want some arugula with that pate'?

123 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:01pm

what the hell is arugula?

124 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:01pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

One of my favorite meals is Dubliner cheese, wine, baguette, and fresh figs. A little Patte and it's a real plowman's lunch.

Do you follow proper etiquette and raise your pinkies on both hands when you eat that, dude? ;)

125 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:29pm

re: #123 yochanan

what the hell is arugula?

I think it's fancy lettuce.

126 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:35pm

re: #118 solomonpanting

Ahhh! To be young and in love.....

No kidding! my wife and I total 96 years.

127 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:44pm
128 carray  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:12:59pm

"Emily Nordling has never met a Muslim, at least not to her knowledge."

Really? She has never met a Muslim? She met 19 Muslims on 9/11/2001. She saw on the TV how Muslims danced and rejoiced and passed out candy. She has most likely watched videos of Muslims shouting 'allahu akbar' as they chopped off heads. She has seen Muslim women dressed in black sheets, faceless, sexless, invisible. She's heard of mommy's little mujahid from Orange County.

If she takes the time to find out, she'll discover that Islam prohibits Muslims from being friends with her, but authorizes Muslims to cut off her head if she refuses to convert to Islam or pay jizya.

Here's another good reason not to vote for Barack Obama: morons like Emily may decide to convert to Islam out of support for Obamessiah. We know what recent converts to Islam have done; the last thing we need is a bunch of Obamite converts running around chopping off heads and blowing people up. Dems are unstable enough as it is.

129 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:13:27pm

re: #123 yochanan It's a weed with aspirations!

130 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:13:43pm

re: #107 wolfie

you must have clicked through to my page 4 placeholder?

131 ArcherB  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:14:39pm

I'm afraid I don't like what LGF is becoming. It appears that it is turning into a more anti-Christian site than Kos, Fark, or SlashDot. It looks to me that every other article is about how evolution is true, therefor Christians are wrong, and "Evil Christians want to teach our kids The Bible!".

First, nearly all Christians believe evolution, so you're posting 25% of your articles to hammer .1% of Christians (but offending a much larger percentage!)

Next, the excuse that certain laws MAY be used to teach kids religion is the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT that libs use when they say "The PATRIOT Act MIGHT be used to take away our rights, so it must be thrown out." Both arguments are equally wrong as they are the same argument. Of course, the correct response is to wait until a law is abused before going against it and you punish the abuses to the fullest extent of the law. Then you fix whatever loophole allowed the abuse. Any law can be abused, but that doesn't mean that all laws should be overturned.

Maybe I should turn in my Little Green Card and call it a day. If I wanted to be called a "Flat-Earther" for going to church on Sunday morning, I could post on slashdot. I don't expect that kind of uncalled-for, untrue, and bigoted attack coming from people I thought were on my side.

I'm going to bed now. Good night all.

132 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:14:41pm

O.K # 123, it's the fancy stuff Obama was complaining about that was so expensive at Whole Foods, to those gun toting Religion clinging yokels. It's some sort of lettuce. Sorry I can't spell it right.

133 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:15:03pm

re: #112 realwest

A car salesman? New or "Previously Owned?" And the brand of car you sell is.................?!?

Toyota. The worst salesmen there make $60k. I know I'm capable of making much more. I want to bring mom home from work and this seems like the right place to do it.

I got concerned about BoA when I read this yesterday.

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:15:10pm
135 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:15:15pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I think it's just the American pallet

The pallet the cheese was delivered on?

And as for the American palate, the French (for instance) have been worried about being overtaken by American cuisine for a good quarter century now.

136 daledog  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:15:41pm

re: #89 yochanan

Good luck with that.

Chicagoan m'self. When I'm in a crowd of libs, I pretend I'm on my cell phone, and I say to my straw man "Are you kidding? That dude is dumber than Barack Obama". The gasps are deafening.

137 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:15:56pm

re: #124 Cartman Hey my friend, how are you doing tonight?
*cough* e-mail *cough*

138 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:16:56pm

re: #126 JeremyR

No kidding! my wife and I total 96 years.

What?! You're 76 and your wife is 20? You craddle-robber, you.

139 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:17:54pm

re: #131 ArcherB

Well, your 344 posts willl be sorely missed.

140 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:17:54pm

re: #131 ArcherB


If I wanted to be called a "Flat-Earther" for going to church on Sunday morning

If you can find a place where Charles Johnson has done that, I will mail you a $100 bill.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:18:11pm

re: #128 carray

"Emily Nordling has never met a Muslim, at least not to her knowledge."

Really? She has never met a Muslim? She met 19 Muslims on 9/11/2001. She saw on the TV how Muslims danced and rejoiced and passed out candy. She has most likely watched videos of Muslims shouting 'allahu akbar' as they chopped off heads. She has seen Muslim women dressed in black sheets, faceless, sexless, invisible. She's heard of mommy's little mujahid from Orange County.

If she takes the time to find out, she'll discover that Islam prohibits Muslims from being friends with her, but authorizes Muslims to cut off her head if she refuses to convert to Islam or pay jizya.

Here's another good reason not to vote for Barack Obama: morons like Emily may decide to convert to Islam out of support for Obamessiah. We know what recent converts to Islam have done; the last thing we need is a bunch of Obamite converts running around chopping off heads and blowing people up. Dems are unstable enough as it is.

That could result in walking Obama dynamite.

142 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:18:18pm

I THINK that I shall never sees
A poem lovely as cheese.

143 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:18:49pm

re: #130 slokat

you must have clicked through to my page 4 placeholder?

Yes, I did!
Great stuff! Colorful, to say the least!

144 Paul  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:18:52pm

re: #20 Macker

Logan's Run. Gotta be stoned to watch Zardoz!

Even being stoned doesn't help.

145 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:19:16pm

re: #124 Cartman

Nope , I pick the figs off the tree out front, eat with my hands, and rinse off with the hose before I go back in the house.

146 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:19:22pm

re: #131 ArcherB

I'm afraid I don't like what LGF is becoming. It appears that it is turning into a more anti-Christian site than Kos, Fark, or SlashDot. It looks to me that every other article is about how evolution is true, therefor Christians are wrong, and "Evil Christians want to teach our kids The Bible!".

Dude - Where did this come from? You're on the wrong thread.

I've seen numerous accusations that there is an "anti-Christian" bent on some of the threads, but very little real faith-bashing at all.

No one said Christians are wrong.

But many of us do not want public school teachers teaching some version of Christianity or any other faith during science classes.

That's it in a nutshell.

147 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:19:34pm

re: #123 yochanan

what the hell is arugula?

It's a variation of the Yahtze, which as we all know, is a Russian Tank.

148 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:19:45pm

re: #121 MandyManners

re: #110 Killgore Trout

You guys are STILL here ? You were here when I left work an hour ago !

(oh,, wait,,, I was here then too, and now I'm here AGAIN ,,, umm,, nevahmind)

149 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:19:55pm

[Link: www.bartleby.com...]

A SLAVE named Androcles once escaped from his master and fled to the forest. As he was wandering about there he came upon a Lion lying down moaning and groaning. At first he turned to flee, but finding that the Lion did not pursue him, he turned back and went up to him. As he came near, the Lion put out his paw, which was all swollen and bleeding, and Androcles found that a huge thorn had got into it, and was causing all the pain. He pulled out the thorn and bound up the paw of the Lion, who was soon able to rise and lick the hand of Androcles like a dog. Then the Lion took Androcles to his cave, and every day used to bring him meat from which to live. But shortly afterwards both Androcles and the Lion were captured, and the slave was sentenced to be thrown to the Lion, after the latter had been kept without food for several days. The Emperor and all his Court came to see the spectacle, and Androcles was led out into the middle of the arena. Soon the Lion was let loose from his den, and rushed bounding and roaring towards his victim. But as soon as he came near to Androcles he recognised his friend, and fawned upon him, and licked his hands like a friendly dog. The Emperor, surprised at this, summoned Androcles to him, who told him the whole story. Whereupon the slave was pardoned and freed, and the Lion let loose to his native forest.
“GRATITUDE IS THE SIGN OF NOBLE SOULS.”

150 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:20:17pm

re: #137 realwest

LOL. I know, I know! I am the biggest POS when it comes to e-mail, R-Dubs! I've had better days, but just happy to be here, my friend. You?

151 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:20:31pm

re: #138 solomonpanting

What?! You're 76 and your wife is 20? You craddle-robber, you.

LOL! I go for sixteen year olds!

152 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:20:31pm

Archer, please stay. None here are anti-Christian.Far from it. The intelligent design theory is a tough one.I'm not sure myself where to go with it. You are among friends.

153 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:21:15pm

re: #133 NJDhockeyfan
Ah yeah, I read that too - though apparently the overwhelming majority of job cuts will be on the Country-wide side of things!
I actually wondered if that news was gonna affect your interview - but apparently not. Have you thought at all about at least seeing what BoA has to say/offer? I only ask cause I've got two friends who are car salesman and both make between $75k and $90k a year, but they don't get any benefits - no health insurance, life insurance, paid vacations and stuff.

154 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:21:19pm

re: #123 yochanan

what the hell is arugula?

it is a tasty spicy salad green. it fell out of favor yrs. ago but was 'rediscovered' by the elitist food eaters in the '80's and now is the must have ingredient in a sald.
it is easy to grow and makes in a afew wks of planting. i grow it and love it. tho i do put it in the specialty greens area of the garden so the lettuce won't get an inferiority complex.
it is quite hardy and can winter over in mild climates and will reseed itself.
i am annoyed that jerks like b.o. and jon cary have 'cabbaged' onto to arugula. forget them. just eat it and enjoy it,

155 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Nope , I pick the figs off the tree out front, eat with my hands, and rinse off with the hose before I go back in the house.

Good man. I was gettin' worried about ya there for a minute.

156 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:22:16pm

re: #126 JeremyR

No kidding! my wife and I total 96 years.

I told my wife (who is 52) that when she hits 100, I'm trading her in for 5 - 20's

157 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:22:38pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

If you can find a place where Charles Johnson has done that, I will mail you a $100 bill.

Perhaps he was refering to various commenters?

158 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:22:44pm

re: #151 JeremyR

LOL! I go for sixteen year olds!

Ruh-roh.

159 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:23:06pm

re: #131 ArcherB

First, nearly all Christians believe evolution

I think you're misinformed. Maybe Killgore can put up some links, but since you've gone to bed, I doubt it's necessary. As to the rest of your post- I think you're looking to be a victim, frankly. None of that has occurred.

160 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:23:33pm

re: #155 Cartman

I'm simple, not fancy, just different.

161 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:23:57pm
162 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:24:13pm

[Link: www.bartleby.com...]
ONCE when a Lion was asleep a little Mouse began running up and down upon him; this soon wakened the Lion, who placed his huge paw upon him, and opened his big jaws to swallow him. “Pardon, O King,” cried the little Mouse: “forgive me this time, I shall never forget it: who knows but what I may be able to do you a turn some of these days?” The Lion was so tickled at the idea of the Mouse being able to help him, that he lifted up his paw and let him go. Some time after the Lion was caught in a trap, and the hunters, who desired to carry him alive to the King, tied him to a tree while they went in search of a waggon to carry him on. Just then the little Mouse happened to pass by, and seeing the sad plight in which the Lion was, sent up to him and soon gnawed away the ropes that bound the King of the Beasts. “Was I not right?” said the little Mouse.
“LITTLE FRIENDS MAY PROVE GREAT FRIENDS.”

163 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:24:30pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

*sigh*

remodeling?

164 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:25:18pm

Saudis pour billions into 'City of Knowledge' on holy site

The KEC project's backers hope that Medina's rich past will attract Muslim scientists as well as companies wanting to do business with the Arab and Muslim world, bolstering development on all fronts.

Okey dokey.

165 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:25:41pm

re: #130 slokat

Hey. Are you from Santa Barbara? Is UC Santa B a whacko place?
My daughter has reason to at least consider it for college....(full ride, long story.)
Not likely, since it's on the other side of the country, but...................

166 ContraJihadi  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:26:22pm

re: #44 Throbert McGee

Well, praise be to Bacchus and Priapus (two of my favoritest pagan gods) .

Gods? Or indulgences? Or am I making a distinction without a difference?

167 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:26:53pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

I told my wife (who is 52) that when she hits 100, I'm trading her in for 5 - 20's

LOL. I'm still doing better then my dad, Mom is 88, and I'm her youngest. What does that make him if I'm 80?

168 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:26:56pm

re: #93 slokat

I loved the images, Slo. Thanks for showing them to us!

Sorta a hybrid of pagan mystery religion and Mardi Gras (once Christian, but no more.) Truly bizarre.

Good night, folks.

169 Edouard  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:27:08pm

re: #131 ArcherB

I'm afraid I don't like what LGF is becoming. It appears that it is turning into a more anti-Christian site than Kos, Fark, or SlashDot....

[snip]

....First, nearly all Christians believe evolution, so you're posting 25% of your articles to hammer .1% of Christians....

Bzzzzt! Logic failure! Logic failure! Abort whining! Abort whining!

170 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:28:00pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

*sigh*

laughing out loud.

171 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:28:41pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

Ruh-roh.

See my 167, besides, they are legal here, and not tired old bar flies.

Actually, my wife comes from a family of cradle robbing women.

172 MisterCookie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:28:43pm

Charles!
Tisk tisk!
I find your use of a dash next to the name of the person the quote is attributed to to be an insult to mine (and other readers) intelligence! It quite surely is a result of the Communist hegemony's influence upon typography!

173 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:29:08pm

re: #153 realwest

Ah yeah, I read that too - though apparently the overwhelming majority of job cuts will be on the Country-wide side of things!
I actually wondered if that news was gonna affect your interview - but apparently not. Have you thought at all about at least seeing what BoA has to say/offer? I only ask cause I've got two friends who are car salesman and both make between $75k and $90k a year, but they don't get any benefits - no health insurance, life insurance, paid vacations and stuff.

This place has all those benefits and more. The owner is great. On top of the commissions he has quarterly competitions. The last one has 9 salesman going to Cancun in October. This quarter he's giving away $5000 watches.

174 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:29:21pm

re: #167 JeremyR

LOL. I'm still doing better then my dad, Mom is 88, and I'm her youngest. What does that make him if I'm 80?

puts you into the Guiness Book of World Records

You're 80, your Mom is 88, you were concieved when your Mom was 7 !?!?!?!?!

175 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:29:23pm

Wolfie, I am a Californian, Santa Barbara is one of the most liberal, places in Ca. If your daughter has any other place to go, do it.Private is better. That being said it isn't the worst State University. Probably UC Santa Cruz. Santa Barbara is an extremely wealthy liberal area. At least it's safer.

176 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:29:45pm

re: #135 Occasional Reader Oh, I'm ROTFLMAO here! I guess I have rather pedestrian taste in foods but wth is
this (from your link):

"At the same time the United States was snubbed when American chefs--who walked off with most of the top awards at the last two international Culinary Olympics--were excluded from a three-day conference called "The World's First Gastronomic Summit Meeting." The reason, explained organizer Henri Gault, a French food critic who last year lost a libel suit to a New York restaurant, was that the United States has a "less important" cuisine than such "top-rated" countries as France, Italy and China have."
International Culinary Olympics?!? What?
I think the French, as usual, are relying too much on a reputation that may have been desereved a few generations ago, but not now - just as with French wines.
But thanks for the informative article and the laughs!

177 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:30:45pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

puts you into the Guiness Book of World Records

You're 80, your Mom is 88, you were concieved when your Mom was 7 !?!?!?!?!

No, she was 41, I just didn't age as well as she has.

178 Mel Lono  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:31:02pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Cheese Shop

KT - I can't believe you came up with that one in only 8. Classic!

179 Thanos  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:31:37pm
180 RedPepper  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:31:39pm

Falstaff : Heavens defend me from that Welsh fairy, lest he transform me to a piece of cheese!

-- William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor, Act V, Scene V

/take that, G.K.C. !

181 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:31:41pm

re: #131 ArcherB

I'm afraid I don't like what LGF is becoming. It appears that it is turning into a more anti-Christian site than Kos, Fark, or SlashDot. It looks to me that every other article is about how evolution is true, therefor Christians are wrong, and "Evil Christians want to teach our kids The Bible!"..

Most of us anti-religion people aren't against Christianity. I recognize it, even without divinity, to be the best of the bunch. Though, I don't want anyone teaching my son things that require faith when evidence and reason will do.

First, nearly all Christians believe evolution, so you're posting 25% of your articles to hammer .1% of Christians (but offending a much larger percentage!)

That .1% is pretty damn vocal. And again, I apologize if I offend a perfectly reasonable christian. I think those agnostics and atheists who go out of their way to offend the faithful are perhaps a little jealous.

Maybe I should turn in my Little Green Card and call it a day. If I wanted to be called a "Flat-Earther" for going to church on Sunday morning, I could post on slashdot. I don't expect that kind of uncalled-for, untrue, and bigoted attack coming from people I thought were on my side.

I'm going to bed now. Good night all.

Good night, and so far nobody has been called names for being religious. Although I have been known to vehemently frown towards literalists.

182 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:32:36pm

re: #150 Cartman I'm doing ok, but would sure like to get an e-mail from ya!

183 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:33:16pm

How are you doing tonight realwest?

184 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:34:55pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

i understand the problem of gelitin being from animal product such as pork, but muslims can have milk and meat together. so i wondered about halal on dairy.

i used to work in a kosher butcher shop and we did have some moderate muslims who bought from us. and they would buy kosher marshmellows as well.

185 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:34:55pm

re: #175 nigella

Thanks! I was afraid that might be true.....both the affluence and the leftism, a distressing combination.

186 Dan G.  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:35:03pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

I'm sophmorishly waiting for you to have a typo when saying that.

187 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:35:31pm

re: #165 wolfie

I'm from San Luis Obispo, but have done a lot of work in SB over the years. The university is solid, but it's right on the beach, so it attracts a good share of party students.

188 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:35:39pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

This quarter he's giving away $5000 watches.

I would be very interesting in getting one. Assuming I could turn around and hock it, quickly.

(What do $5000 watches DO, again?)

189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:36:24pm

re: #188 Occasional Reader

I would be very interesting in getting one. Assuming I could turn around and hock it, quickly.

(What do $5000 watches DO, again?)

Same thing a $20 dollar watch does.

190 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:36:40pm

re: #165 wolfie

Hey. Are you from Santa Barbara? Is UC Santa B a whacko place?
My daughter has reason to at least consider it for college....(full ride, long story.)
Not likely, since it's on the other side of the country, but...................

Wolfie,
Think twice about letting your girl go to UCSB. Its a beautiful campus in a nice area and has a few good programs worth pursuing (music), but it will be a huge stretch for a homeschooled, Christian girl. Having said that, I sent my daugher to Pepperdine (south of UCSB in Malibu) and, in spite of the gross materialism and valley talk, she's getting a great education.

191 Mel Lono  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:36:46pm

re: #186 Dan G.

I'm sophmorishly waiting for you to have a typo when saying that.

Actually, that's how it all started, many moons ago.

192 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:37:02pm

i frankly don't give a hoot about I.D. the whole subject will not effect me at all.

i choose for personal reasons not to debate religion.

193 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:37:14pm

To be fair to Cabot, if they were going for a Kosher label, they were probably at least 90 percent of the way to a Halal label. Many mass-market foods that go for the Kosher label go for Halal as well, because the requirements are extremely similar.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:38:30pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Same thing a $20 dollar watch does.

I probably wouldn't wear a $5000 watch. I'd be too afraid of breaking it.

195 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:38:43pm

re: #183 Typicalwhitey
Hey hi! Wolfie was kind enough to pass along your message to me earlier! I'm doing ok, though getting ready for bed soon! How are you doing this evening?

196 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:38:48pm

re: #193 RememberSekhmet?

kosher is stricter than halal

197 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:39:16pm

re: #182 realwest

Working on it as we speak.

198 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:39:20pm

re: #163 sattv4u2

remodeling?

head, meet wall. The best part about banging your head against a brick wall is when you stop.

199 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:39:37pm

Wolfie, you're welcome. I have friends who had kids attend there, and also have friends living there. I guess it isn't the worst re- liberalism, and coming to California isn't all that bad. I would suggest Santa Clara University(Catholic) or even St Mary's College. My daughter attended St. Mary's and it was great. I'm sure there are many others.

200 Mel Lono  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:39:56pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Wolfie,
Think twice about letting your girl go to UCSB. Its a beautiful campus in a nice area and has a few good programs worth pursuing (music), but it will be a huge stretch for a homeschooled, Christian girl. Having said that, I sent my daugher to Pepperdine (south of UCSB in Malibu) and, in spite of the gross materialism and valley talk, she's getting a great education.

My best friend (best man) and also BIL went to UCSB. Party reputation definitely earned but also good engineering and marine science programs.

201 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:40:26pm

re: #192 yochanan

i frankly don't give a hoot about I.D. the whole subject will not effect me at all.

i choose for personal reasons not to debate religion.

The whole point of this blog is to debate a certain religion, and whether its radical adherents are retarded, mad, or both.

202 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:40:27pm

re: #187 slokat

I'm from San Luis Obispo, but have done a lot of work in SB over the years. The university is solid, but it's right on the beach, so it attracts a good share of party students.

Aaah! I should have thought of that! (We have the brochures showing the campus etc and it does look beautiful!)
Hmmmm.......so far we've got partying, big bucks, and moonbats!

203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:40:30pm

re: #194 NJDhockeyfan

I probably wouldn't wear a $5000 watch. I'd be too afraid of breaking it.

I can think of better uses for $5000 bucks. Hell, I havent even owned a watch for the last 10 years.

204 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:40:56pm

re: #192 yochanan

i frankly don't give a hoot about I.D. the whole subject will not effect me at all.

ID is important sometimes. My 24 y/o son and I were in a bar a few nights ago, and they wouldn't let him drink because he didn't have his ID.

205 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:41:07pm

i bet velveeta is halal

206 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:41:32pm

re: #193 RememberSekhmet?

To be fair to Cabot, if they were going for a Kosher label, they were probably at least 90 percent of the way to a Halal label. Many mass-market foods that go for the Kosher label go for Halal as well, because the requirements are extremely similar.

Halal is kosher for hate groupies.

207 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:41:58pm

re: #202 wolfie

so far we've got partying, big bucks, and moonbats!

And very good science programs.

208 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:42:04pm

Wolfie, Pepperdine is an grea tchoice. Ken Starr was the head there. Not sure if he still is. My Daughters best friend attended Pepperdine. Great school.

209 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:42:42pm

re: #196 yochanan

Right, so if you are already going for kosher, may as well pick up halal while you're at it.

210 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:42:45pm

re: #201 JeremyR

the problem with islam is the jihadist terrorists, sufi muslims for the most part don't belive in violent jihad.

without the terrorism i personly could careless about islam.

211 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:42:55pm

PIMF: great

212 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:43:13pm

Who Moved My Cheese?

Allegorical, Who Moved My Cheese? features four characters; two mice, "Sniff" and "Scurry", and two little people, miniature humans in essence, "Hem" and "Haw", live in a maze, a representation of one's environment, and look for cheese, representative of happiness and success. Initially without cheese, each group, the mice and humans paired off, travel the lengthy corridor searching for cheese. One day both groups happen upon a cheese-filled corridor in "Cheese Station C". Content with their find, the humans establish routines around their daily intake of cheese slowly becoming arrogant in the process.

(more. . .)

/ch ch change!

213 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:43:18pm

re: #208 nigella

Wolfie, Pepperdine is an grea tchoice. Ken Starr was the head there. Not sure if he still is. My Daughters best friend attended Pepperdine. Great school.

He's Dean of the law school.

Wolfie, What other schools is she considering? What is her potential major?

214 JeremyR  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:43:34pm

re: #210 yochanan

the problem with islam is the jihadist terrorists, sufi muslims for the most part don't belive in violent jihad.

without the terrorism i personly could careless about islam.

Unfortunately, with it, we are the bunny in the cross hairs.

215 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:43:51pm

re: #209 RememberSekhmet?

it is a marketing decision for most companies to put a kosher seal on there products.

216 UncleSam  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:46:23pm

re: #165 wolfie

Hey. Are you from Santa Barbara? Is UC Santa B a whacko place?
My daughter has reason to at least consider it for college....(full ride, long story.)
Not likely, since it's on the other side of the country, but...................

On the plus side, Santa Barbara has Woody's Bodacious Barbecue, the best BBQ place I've ever eaten at.
[Link: www.woodysbbq.com...]

217 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:46:40pm

we are not debating theology with islam

if we looked at it from only a theological point of view with nothing in the practice area such as islmo fascism but only in theology that would raise completly other kinds of issues.

218 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:47:14pm

re: #197 Cartman Hey, great! I am gonna go to sleep really soon, but you should feel free to take your time, I can always read it in the morning! No pressure from me (well, ok, a little pressure, but not much!).

219 Edouard  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:47:28pm

re: #165 wolfie

Santa Barbara has its full share of wackos -- but there are most certainly many conservatives there, although they are outnumbered.

Santa Barbara is also a hub for the Young America's Foundation, since it is the home of the newly remodeled Reagan Ranch Center. Of course, Reagan's Rancho del Cielo sits peacefully in the hills north of Santa Barbara. Encourage her if she is so inclined to find a way to connect up with these excellent & motivated young people.

220 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:47:43pm

heh heh heh. An image of what happens when my GF enters a cheese shop. :)

/yes she's a self admitted cheese addict.

221 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:47:49pm

re: #195 realwest

We had one wicked lighting and rainstorm last night!
Been to a b day party today.
I seem to always be arriving as you are leaving lol

222 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:48:00pm

LGF is a great place, where else can you discuss Colleges, Intelligent design, and barbeque all in one place?

223 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:48:52pm

re: #212 2SoonOld2LateSmart

I liked that book. I also remember liking 'I am the Cheese' when I read it, but I was about 11 so I don't remember it that well.
I've been on an Italian cheese kick lately with taleggio being the current favorite.

224 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:49:26pm

How a Marine gets his cheese.

225 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:49:51pm

re: #222 nigella

And handguns. Don't forget handguns.

226 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:49:59pm

re: #190 hermeneutics

Wolfie,
Think twice about letting your girl go to UCSB. Its a beautiful campus in a nice area and has a few good programs worth pursuing (music), but it will be a huge stretch for a homeschooled, Christian girl. Having said that, I sent my daugher to Pepperdine (south of UCSB in Malibu) and, in spite of the gross materialism and valley talk, she's getting a great education.

Yeah. The only reason it's even on the radar is because of the pretty brochures, a decent academic reputation, and the full ride they're offering her. Oh? Did I mention the pretty brochures?!
She was homeschooled 8 yrs then went to a Catholic HS, where she is one of the most conservative kids! I can't see her fitting in at UVA or Wm and Mary, much less a UC school!

227 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:50:24pm

huh? what does it mean when someone's "football" disappears?

228 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:50:44pm

Yeah, I forgot hand guns and more importantly cheese!

229 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:50:45pm

....see #222

230 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:51:00pm

it isn't theological reasons but political issues that put jews and christians on the same side at this point against islam in the past it wasn't always the case.

islamo fascism aka jihadist terrorism is the issue.

231 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:51:52pm

...second time tonight I saw this happen.... (is it me?)

232 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:52:21pm

re: #231 WindHorse

What did you see?

233 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:52:55pm

re: #208 nigella

Wolfie, Pepperdine is an grea tchoice. Ken Starr was the head there. Not sure if he still is. My Daughters best friend attended Pepperdine. Great school.

Yes, I've heard that it is a very good school and the sort of place where a conservative would not feel totally out of place.
Hermeneutics said her daughter went there!

234 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:53:03pm

I saw nigella's green football disappear...

235 yehoshua  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:53:04pm

G.K Chesteron was a rabid anti-semite and should not be quoted here.

236 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:53:16pm

Thomas Aquinas College may be a good fit for her. In California, though. Travel costs add up.

I told my daughter that she HAD to be at least six hours from home ... but no more than 16 driving hours away.

237 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:53:23pm

re: #231 WindHorse

...second time tonight I saw this happen.... (is it me?)

yes, too bad pretty sure it's not a good sign...

238 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:54:02pm

re: #237 slokat

I think you are correct.

239 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:54:13pm

Wolfie, you are a wise parent! Sounds like your daughter has a good background to rely on. Great job! There is hope for the next generation with a parent like you. I'm pretty proud of our two Children also. Both are conservative, responsible citizens, and parents.

240 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #234 WindHorse

I saw nigella's green football disappear...

She doesn't have a football. It's an avatar. Some kind of dog, though the pic is too small to tell.

241 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:54:28pm

re: #234 WindHorse

I saw nigella's green football disappear...

All I see is an avatar with a picture of what looks like a dog.

242 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:54:53pm

re: #220 BlueCanuck

That's just wrong after over 200 comments to have a similar a thought and get beat by 3 posts.

243 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:55:19pm

I disappeared? Can't believe I would be banned?

244 RememberSekhmet?  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:55:21pm

I'm gonna turn in, y'all. Weet Dreams!

245 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:55:23pm

I saw a football (I thought) and then it was gone. Look at #222.

246 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:55:36pm

re: #233 wolfie

Yes, I've heard that it is a very good school and the sort of place where a conservative would not feel totally out of place.
Hermeneutics said her daughter went there!

Yup, she's still there.

Pepperdine is about 50K a year. But Peppers, like other colleges, has scholarship money that is NOT need based. It can be done. (Her first year, no grants/scholarships. Her second year, 20K in scholarships. Her third year, 35K in scholarships.)

247 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:56:30pm

Windhorse. That is my avatar. It's an English Setter, my dog Nigel. That's a relief, I thought I was kicked out!

248 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:56:31pm
The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.

— G.K. Chesterton

re: #235 yehoshua

G.K Chesteron was a rabid anti-semite and should not be quoted here.

Really? I didn't know that. Link?

Interesting that Charles had a creationism thread, and then the very next thread had a quote from G.K. Chesterton, one of the leading Christian writers from a century ago!

Anti-Semite or not, Christian or not, quote-worthy or not -- I will say that his Father Brown mystery stories are (in my opinion) the best mystery series of all time. Even better than Sherlock Holmes, or Sam Spade/Continental Op.

249 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:56:57pm

....weird, when I refreshed the screen, nigella's avatar is still there.

huh... weirod

250 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:57:09pm

re: #247 nigella

You're not really here nigella.

251 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:57:25pm

re: #242 Metal Man

GMTA, but your's was the one I was looking for. :)

252 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:57:40pm

re: #250 DesertSage

You're not really here nigella.

Put down that drink, Sage. Now look again. See her?

253 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:57:46pm

re: #247 nigella

Yeah, it's really just a wierod dream.

254 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:58:01pm

re: #250 DesertSage

You're not really here nigella.

...we were all trying to be polite & not mention that little fact

255 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:58:42pm

re: #252 hermeneutics

Put down that drink, Sage. Now look again. See her?

I see her dog....

256 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:58:55pm

re: #255 DesertSage

I see her dog....

Close enough.

257 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:00pm

sorry ever'body.... must be my eyes playing tricks on me.

weirod.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:33pm

re: #247 nigella

Windhorse. That is my avatar. It's an English Setter, my dog Nigel. That's a relief, I thought I was kicked out!

It looks like Alf.

259 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:37pm

re: #213 hermeneutics

He's Dean of the law school.

Wolfie, What other schools is she considering? What is her potential major?

She's been doing the summer search thing. The four schools she has liked best are Hope, Hillsdale, Davidson, and Sewanee.

260 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:41pm

Hmmm, here's something interesting:

Chesterton's alleged 'anti-Semitism'

The question of G.K. Chesterton's 'anti-semitism' has been thoroughly discussed in many biographies and journals. Chesterton certainly made anti-Jewish remarks, which today's G.K. Chesterton Institute has no wish to condone or defend. These remarks, however, need to be undertood in their social and historical context, not in order to whitewash Chesterton, but to see how they do not invalidate his entire intellectual or spiritual legacy.

Above all they need to be read in the light of important statements he made repudiating anti-semitism towards the end of his life (he died in 1936, i.e. before the Second World War). As Kevin L. Morris writes in his C.T.S. booklet G.K. Chesterton (1994), Chesterton's prejudice was largely political in nature, bound up with his opposition to plutocracy and the 'sleaze' of his day, in which several prominent Jewish figures were implicated at the time:

'far from being a racist, he ridiculed racism, had Jewish friends, admired individual Jews, valued the Jewish faith, wanted the Jews to have the dignity of a Jewish nation-state, and, with the rise of Nazi Germany, denounced the persecution of the Jews.' 'I am quite ready to believe now,' he said, 'that Belloc and I will die defending the last Jew in Europe'.

In the biography Gilbert (Jonathan Cape, 1989, pp. 209-11), Michael Coren noted Chesterton's profound literary and personal friendship with the Jewish writer Israel Zangwill (not, by the way, his only such friendship), his cordial meetings with Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, and the important statement by the Wiener Library (London's archive on anti-semitism and Holocaust history) that Chesterton was never seriously anti-semitic: 'he was not an enemy, and when the real testing time came along he showed what side he was on.'

For its part, the G.K. Chesterton Institute wishes to build on the positive legacy of Chesterton and the writers associated with him, purifying that legacy of the mistakes of judgment that afflict imperfect and inconsistent men and women embroiled in the controversies and ethos of their day. Anti-semitism is incompatible with the Christian religion, a religion that G.K. Chesterton did more than most to defend, explain and represent in a life and writings that many Jews have loved as well as Christians.

261 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:44pm

re: #257 WindHorse


How much have you had to drink tonight..........

262 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 9:59:58pm

What are we drinkin?

*hic*

Whiskey and Vitamin Water here.

263 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

It looks like Alf.

I was just going to post the same comment!

264 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:00:40pm

Wolffie, it's true Private Colleges seem to have a lot more money available, which isn't only need based. My Daughter got pretty good scholarships for Saint Mary's College.The tuition was more than public Colleges, but the class sizes were small, and she graduated in four years without a problem. Not so in the public schools. The classes are huge, and it is difficult to graduate in four years.

265 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:00:48pm

re: #219 Edouard

Duly noted ! Thanks !

266 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:01:30pm

re: #260 zombie


Zombie been meaning to thank you for all your pictures of the wacky left.
I get a huge laugh out of them!

267 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:02:16pm

re: #131 ArcherB

I'm afraid I don't like what LGF is becoming. It appears that it is turning into a more anti-Christian site than Kos, Fark, or SlashDot.

First, ArcherB, let me introduce myself: I am a man and I greatly admire other men's penises. So great is this admiration that I have been known to give other men's penises shelter in my hands or in my mouth, to keep them warm and safe from the rain. (But I believe, however, that penises are much too nice to go anywhere near the smelly and bacteria-ridden "what-what" zone.)

Now, several months ago, Charles linked to a photo-essay by the esteemed zombie, which recorded some really disgusting public behaviors by men who value penises just as highly as I do, but whose values I do not otherwise share.

Zombie's photo-essay caused quite a sensation, and there were some limpwristed sissyfags who said that by publishing or re-publishing these images, people like Zombie and Charles and Michelle Malkin and others were being "anti-gay" and promoting "homophobia."

However, I myself was not among these whiners, because for all my personal failings, I was blessed by God with a massive pair.

My recommendation to you, then, is that you should attempt to grow at least a smallish pair yourself, and desist from whining about terribly difficult it is to be a Christian on LGF. Christians in China have it rough; you, however, display signs of being just a limpwristed sissyfag.

Having said all that... I think that ArcherB does make an excellent point here:

Next, the excuse that certain laws MAY be used to teach kids religion is the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT that libs use when they say "The PATRIOT Act MIGHT be used to take away our rights, so it must be thrown out."

To put it another way, Charles should avoid getting too overwrought about "stealth creationism" laws being a slippery slope to theocracy, just as he wishes that liberals would avoid getting overwrought about the Patriot Act being the first step on a slippery slope to fascist totalitarianism.

(And I'm not saying that Charles has been hysterical or overwrought; I'm just saying that ArcherB is entirely correct to remind Charles that he shouldn't exaggerate the threat posed by IDers.)

268 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:02:51pm

re: #248 zombie

Really? I didn't know that. Link?

Interesting that Charles had a creationism thread, and then the very next thread had a quote from G.K. Chesterton, one of the leading Christian writers from a century ago!

Anti-Semite or not, Christian or not, quote-worthy or not -- I will say that his Father Brown mystery stories are (in my opinion) the best mystery series of all time. Even better than Sherlock Holmes, or Sam Spade/Continental Op.


His book on eugenics and evils would interest you, Z., if you haven't already read it.

269 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:04:19pm

re: #266 Typicalwhitey

Zombie been meaning to thank you for all your pictures of the wacky left.
I get a huge laugh out of them!

Get a load of this one.

270 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:04:28pm

re: #264 nigella

Wolffie, it's true Private Colleges seem to have a lot more money available, which isn't only need based. My Daughter got pretty good scholarships for Saint Mary's College.The tuition was more than public Colleges, but the class sizes were small, and she graduated in four years without a problem. Not so in the public schools. The classes are huge, and it is difficult to graduate in four years.

Stanford University is now entirely free for everyone except the children of the wealthiest millionaires. Stanford has gotten so many immense donations from so many fantabulously wealthy graduates who went on to become dot-com millionaires that their endowment is staggering. Thus, they announced recently, that if you get admitted and have ANY "financial need" of any kind, then you will automatically get a full $45,000+/year scholarhsip. Not a loan -- full support.

271 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:04:34pm

re: #259 wolfie

She's been doing the summer search thing. The four schools she has liked best are Hope, Hillsdale, Davidson, and Sewanee.

Hillsdale I can speak to -- VERY good choice.

Here's how I would prioritize them (another mother's opinion!):
Hillsdale
Davidson
Sewanee
Hope

272 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:05:20pm

re: #201 JeremyR
Respectfully and without looking to split any hairs here, but the point of this blog is whatever the hell Charles wants it to be. Before 9/11 it most certainly was not an anti-jihadist blog and since 9/11 it has been an anti-jihadist blog and an anti-fascist blog and a pretty much anti-Kerry, now anti Obama blog and in many other ways a political blog, but even if your post of

"The whole point of this blog is to debate a certain religion, and whether its radical adherents are retarded, mad, or both."

was correct, it does not therefore follow that Charles would be anti-any religion who's primary tenents do not call on members to either convert, enslave or kill any non-believers.

The ENTIRE THRUST of all of Charles threads on this ID issue has been, that ID is not science, but is a faith-based psuedo science and Charles doesn't think it ought to be taught in public schools as part of the "Sciences" because it is a religion, not a science.
I personally find it regrettable that a lot of commenters went snarky on this, and some just downright bashed people of faith; to his credit, Charles did try to delete those comments. Nonetheless, from my perspective and maybe only my perspective, a number of lizards who's contributions to this blog helped to make it the best blog in the blogsphere didn't see things that way and have simply, and for the most part quietly, quit posting out here and that is OUR loss.

273 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:05:35pm

it isn't a drink thayng.... I literally saw two different footballs (or avatars) disappear as I watched. Then, I tried clicking on their names (which were black) and nothing happened. One was nigella's (#222). the other was earlier. I was just curious. Then, after "refreshing" the page.... it was normal again.

274 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:05:47pm

re: #269 rawmuse

What in the hell is that?

275 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:05:48pm

re: #266 Typicalwhitey

Zombie been meaning to thank you for all your pictures of the wacky left.
I get a huge laugh out of them!

Your laughter needs to be tinged with seething rage.

I've cornered the "infuriating humor" market.

But still -- thanks!

276 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:06:13pm

O.K. I see you are having fun at my expense. If I wasn't a Conservative I might consider contacting the ACLU, to represent me against the harassment I have received because of my Computer disability.You will be hearing from my Attorneys.

277 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:06:27pm

Wow Throbert, you did a complete 360 in one comment.

278 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:06:48pm

re: #273 WindHorse

I have some extra tinfoil if ya need it....


/I was just teasing you lol

279 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:07:23pm

re: #274 Typicalwhitey

What in the hell is that?

A man with flames tattooed on his face. A committed arsonist.

280 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:08:17pm

re: #111 Tasty Beverage

What happened with the DL crowd? I haven't been around much lately, so I'm sorry if you've already explained. Maybe you could link to an earlier comment where you tell the story.

And what was up with some of them wanting somebody (can't remember who) to sue Charles? (Lawrence Auster maybe?)

I've got a summary of the story; I'm trying to decide whether it's worth the tsuris of publishing it on my blog.

281 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:08:23pm

re: #270 zombie

Stanford University is now entirely free for everyone except the children of the wealthiest millionaires. Stanford has gotten so many immense donations from so many fantabulously wealthy graduates who went on to become dot-com millionaires that their endowment is staggering. Thus, they announced recently, that if you get admitted and have ANY "financial need" of any kind, then you will automatically get a full $45,000+/year scholarhsip. Not a loan -- full support.

No kidding? Interesting.

282 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:08:29pm

re: #275 zombie

I don't think I could attend without getting thrown in jail.
I would be the idiot in a screaming match with them.
I applaud your restraint.

283 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:08:40pm

re: #221 Typicalwhitey
Yeah, we lost power again for the third straight evening because of our wicked T-Storms too.
I wish we could coordinate our schedules better too, but mine is dictated by my med's routine I fear.
Course, there's always e-mail!

284 Syrah  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:13pm
The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.

— G.K. Chesterton

I ordered the Rib eye steak special at the local pub the other night.

The waitress asked me what kind of salad dressing I would like. "Thousand Island" I answered.

So what could go wrong.

Steak and fries.

A small salad on the side.

A Mack & Jack to help wash it all down.

The salad arrived smothered in cheese.

For most people, that would not be a problem. For me, it is. I am severly lactose intolerant.

I still forget to ask them to leave the cheese off of the salads.

When did they start adding cheese to the ef'en salads? What the hell people. I know ya'll like cheese on everything - but on iceberg lettuce? Are there no limits? Are there no bounds? Why must cheese be served on absolutely everything?

Why? Why? Great jumping jehosephat why?

It must be part of some secret Wisconsonian conspiracy to eventually eliminate everything that is not some form of cheese from the American diet. Its a conspiracy I tell ya!

(The steak and the beer were very good.)

/anti cheese rant off.

285 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:13pm

Hmmm... I need to come up with a good avatar-icon before the night is done.

286 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:27pm

And by the way, Nigel, my dog does not look like Alf. I feel another law suit coming on!

287 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:43pm

re: #279 rawmuse

What a moron.
Idiots like that with freakish tattoo's then wonder why people stare at them.

288 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:47pm

re: #278 Typicalwhitey

it's alright.... I know I sound whacked. Who knows what it was...

mebbe those desert people I met doing acid those many years ago

(now I've said too much...)

289 jzm  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:09:56pm

I have been a political watch dog for my family since September 11th 2001. I'm done with politicics, I know enough.
I will vote Republican no matter that I am unhappy with the whole frickin thing..
I agree with Charles on some issues, and not on others.

God Bless America,


OFF TO LALA LAND FOR NOW.

290 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:00pm

ooops
/

291 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:01pm

I teach at Stanford about 6 times a year.
They have their share of moonbats.
But in my experience the kids there are top shelf.

292 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:01pm

re: #279 rawmuse

A man with flames tattooed on his face. A committed arsonist.

Looks more like paint.

293 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:02pm

some tweaking is happening - at the moment the new comment button keeps refreshing the whole page.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:13pm

re: #279 rawmuse

A man with flames tattooed on his face. A committed arsonist.

He looks like the face painter on Seinfeld.

295 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:10:40pm

re: #234 WindHorse
Uh, Nigella has an avatar now - perhaps if you refreshed you'd see it!

296 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:11:37pm

re: #288 WindHorse

mebbe those desert people I met doing acid those many years ago

That was you?

297 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:11:53pm

re: #295 realwest

249 all over again!

298 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:12:12pm

re: #283 realwest

I didn't lose power, but I did lose the internet until today.
Thought I would die from withdrawal lol.
I clicked on your name and saw you are an attorney.
Funny because that is what I wanted to be when I was younger.

299 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:12:14pm

Drove from Northern to Southern California the last two days.

Less traffic, noticeably less, and the big rigs are driving quite slower.

I believe we are seeing some big changes here.

300 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:12:41pm

re: #285 Throbert McGee

Hmmm... I need to come up with a good avatar-icon before the night is done.

Easy there, Throbert. You've been pushing the envelope lately.

301 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:12:54pm

re: #240 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! How are you my friend? I think Nigella's dog is a Rottie myself, but you're right, it is too small to be able to ascertain with these old eyes, anyway! LOL!
Hope you're doing well !

302 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:13:07pm

re: #296 DesertSage

yeah.... I was the one driving the 1970 Gold Fleetwood.... were you there in the grand gyre of supreme nowness?

303 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:13:10pm

re: #236 hermeneutics

Thomas Aquinas College may be a good fit for her. In California, though. Travel costs add up.

I told my daughter that she HAD to be at least six hours from home ... but no more than 16 driving hours away.

I would LOVE for her to go to Aquinas, a Catholic version of St. Johns & much cheaper! (I'd be delighted for her to go to either of the St Johns, too.....I mean for academic reasons.)
She is, however, a serious athlete and wants to keep it up thru college. Those schools don't have NCAA sports.
On the other hand, the schools that have recruited her for sports are by and large ones she isn't interested in otherwise attending. She's too wise to fall for that.
We have also determined that any scholarship she is given should be at least 1/2 academic. (She has the grades and sky high SATs to merit it.) We don't want her to ever feel she has to play just for the money.
UCSB was one of the ones that is willing to pay full ticket with 2/3 of the scholarship academic and guaranteed for 4 yrs, if her grades are okay. Did I mention the brochures?!

She's looking for a good liberal arts program....probable major in humanities. Maybe classics.

304 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:13:17pm

re: #299 Ojoe

Drove from Northern to Southern California the last two days.

Did you drive up to Mt. Wilson?

305 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:13:47pm

re: #277 DesertSage

Wow Throbert, you did a complete 360 in one comment.

How exactly did I do a 360?

306 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:14:02pm

re: #299 Ojoe

Drove from Northern to Southern California the last two days.

Less traffic, noticeably less, and the big rigs are driving quite slower.

I believe we are seeing some big changes here.

Lots of folks I know have changed their driving habits. Many are not planning on driving very far on vacation this summer.

307 slokat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:14:36pm

re: #303 wolfie

What Sport?

308 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:14:36pm

re: #267 Throbert McGee

Now, several months ago, Charles linked to a photo-essay by the esteemed zombie, which recorded some really disgusting public behaviors by men who value penises just as highly as I do, but whose values I do not otherwise share.

Zombie's photo-essay caused quite a sensation, and there were some limpwristed sissyfags who said that by publishing or re-publishing these images, people like Zombie and Charles and Michelle Malkin and others were being "anti-gay" and promoting "homophobia."

However, I myself was not among these whiners

As I explained VERY laboriously in the introduction to my Folsom Street Fair report, even I questioned the wisdom of publishing the photos. But in the end (ha!), I decided that to self-censor in the name of political correctness would violate my principles. I went to report on what I saw, so I was duty bound to do so. It's not my responsibility that public BJs and jacking off were going on! If people don't want to gain a reputation for doing such things, then they shouldn't do them. Don't blame the messenger!

I also pointed out, and it remains true, that since I live in the SF area, and work in the "creative" field, the majority of my colleagues and friends are in fact gay. (And/or are kinky in some postmodern way.) The accusations of me having an anti-gay bias (which some crazed ACT-UP type stalkers implied) is simply ludicrous. Tomorrow is the Pride Parade in SF, and as in past years, I will be marching in it (as part of a charitable organization).

Since the normal Pride Parade is pretty G-Rated and uncontrversial, I won't be making a report out of it, though.

309 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:15:16pm

re: #300 Racer X

Easy there, Throbert. You've been pushing the envelope lately.

I don't get your meaning, Racer X.

310 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:15:31pm

re: #304 DesertSage

No, but in the morning here I will be able to see it.

When I was a kid we used to watch the cars in the horseless carriage club drive the toll road up.

311 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:15:53pm

re: #305 Throbert McGee

what two concenting aduilts do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my bus.

now doing it on the public street is a different matter, unless they are dogs then all bets are off.

312 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:15:55pm

re: #306 Racer X

I am alternating driving long distances with staying put. I went on vacation with my Mom (family reunion) and drove 1100 miles in a week.
But ever since I got back, no driving. Not once.
I walk and bike everywhere now.

313 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:15:59pm

As a little kid, it was determined I was hyperactive. So my lovely parents (mother is a shrink) sent me to some sort of weird program at Stanford for hyper kids.

Four years later, I had learned a lot about tennis (we'd warm up and pick up balls for the tennis team to "work off energy") and nothing else. Later, when sent to school on the east coast, I discovered I was YEARS behind.

Just a first-hand anecdote about Stanford...

314 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:16:12pm

re: #305 Throbert McGee

How exactly did I do a 360?

Oh man, do I have to go back and read the whole thing again?
Can I do it tomorrow, I'm really tired...I've been on a motorcycle all day?

315 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:17:28pm

re: #262 Racer X

What are we drinkin?

Well, according to those that want to compare us to Koslings, we must be drinking Kool-Aid.

/Myself? Icehouse.

316 WindHorse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:18:16pm

re: #313 hermeneutics

kind of sad.... only because one of my son's good friends was just shipped off for the same reason. Damn.

317 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:18:32pm

re: #308 zombie

If only the MSM had the same conviction to showing the whole truth most of these moonbat parades would never have gotten to this degree.

318 UncleSam  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:18:44pm

#267 Throbert McGee said, in regard to penises: "However, I myself was not among these whiners, because for all my personal failings, I was blessed by God with a massive pair."

You've got a pair of them?
I have actually seen this twice, both times, strangely enough, at the urinals in movie theaters. (One was a drive-in. Remember those?)
In both cases, there was one above the other, with the upper being larger.
Not that I was looking for 'em, but that's one of those things that just catches your attention when it appears in your peripheral vision, and then you've just gotta look.

319 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:18:58pm

human sexuality isn't just black and white there are a hell of a lot a grays inbetween.

320 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:19:23pm

re: #267 Throbert McGee

To put it another way, Charles should avoid getting too overwrought about "stealth creationism" laws being a slippery slope to theocracy,

It could be that Charles, and others, are more concerned about the confluence of science and religion, or, perhaps, the dilution of science in an ocean of "theological science."

321 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:19:33pm

re: #319 yochanan

human sexuality isn't just black and white there are a hell of a lot a grays inbetween.

Racist!

/

322 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:19:35pm

re: #269 rawmuse

Get a load of this one.

As you may remember, I took a photo of Paul Addis about 18 hours before he tried to burn down the cathedral.

The laziest anarchist in the room. [UPDATE: zombietime reader "mikalm" points out that this is actually a picture of notorious arsonist Paul Addis, who in August prematurely ignited the "burning man" effigy at this year's Burning Man festival, and who tried to burn down San Francisco's Grace Cathedral the day after this photo was taken. More info here. To confirm that this is indeed Paul Addis, look at this magnified version of the photo above, and compare the tattoos on both of his arms to the tattoos on Addis's arms visible in photos on this page; you'll see they match exactly.]
323 wolfie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:20:09pm

re: #271 hermeneutics

Hillsdale I can speak to -- VERY good choice.

Here's how I would prioritize them (another mother's opinion!):
Hillsdale
Davidson
Sewanee
Hope

Hermie, all I can say is GMTA !
We shall see!

324 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:21:03pm

re: #309 Throbert McGee

I don't get your meaning, Racer X.

Just curious to see your new avatar. Whip it out.

325 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:21:14pm

re: #322 zombie

That boy ain't right....

326 formercorpsman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:21:53pm

re: #291 rawmuse

VDH.

327 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:22:18pm

re: #323 wolfie

Hermie, all I can say is GMTA !
We shall see!

It is such an important decision -- for her and for you. My best to you, Wolfie. Blue nic if you wish.

328 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:22:37pm

re: #318 UncleSam

I don't even want to quote what you just said, but it did pique my curiosity, so I have just one question-
Which one did the urinating?

329 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:22:38pm

re: #301 realwest

Hey, buddy. Had a tough week. My deceased brother's daughter has had a slight return of her cancer - can be fixed with a little surgery, and my dad was diagnosed earlier this week. The oncologist gave him six months to a year, possibly more, even with chemo. I've been curled up in a ball for the last two days.

On the upside, I've discovered that I really like bourbon. That's probably not a good sign.

330 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:22:49pm

re: #326 formercorpsman

VDH.

Yes, I know him. It is my distinct privilege to.

331 Cartman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:22:55pm

I wonder if I should start prefacing my remarks here with "As one who personally admires vaginas...".

Nah, maybe not...

332 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:23:13pm

re: #287 Typicalwhitey

No, those idiots KNOW why people stare, and they not only relish the staring, but wring it for all its worth, getting all sensitive about THEIR physical advertisements of THEIR willingness to abuse themselves!

"Hey! You think its funny? You think I look FUNNY? Just because I have a penis tattooed on my nose extending down from my hairline... which is now receding? You think that's FUNNY, Moron?"

/been there, heard that, Whitey! :D

333 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:23:28pm

re: #322 zombie


ding ding ding we have a winner. hope the sfpd got that one too.

334 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:05pm

re: #331 Cartman

I wonder if I should start prefacing my remarks here with "As one who personally admires vaginas...".

Nah, maybe not...

Good decision.

And on that note, I REALLY need to sleep. Good night, all ... (again).

335 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:09pm

re: #329 Noam Sayin'

So sorry to hear that Noam.

336 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:12pm

re: #318 UncleSam

#267 Throbert McGee said, in regard to penises: "However, I myself was not among these whiners, because for all my personal failings, I was blessed by God with a massive pair."

You've got a pair of them?
I have actually seen this twice, both times, strangely enough, at the urinals in movie theaters. (One was a drive-in. Remember those?)
In both cases, there was one above the other, with the upper being larger.
Not that I was looking for 'em, but that's one of those things that just catches your attention when it appears in your peripheral vision, and then you've just gotta look.

Wait a minute, you've actually seen a man who has two.... never mind.

337 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:13pm

re: #298 Typicalwhitey
I sincerely hope that you've grown out of that phase and are NOT pursuing a career as a lawyer!
And I am a retired Attorney-at-law.

338 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:20pm

Zombie, I'm ashamed to mention that my second cousins son is "big" in the burning man festival. Always was a "strange" one. Don't want to know what exactly he "does" but from what I've heard he's pretty bizarre. Names Steve Johnson.

339 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:28pm

re: #318 UncleSam

I think Throbert was talking about a pair of balls, in the metaphorical sense.

340 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:45pm

re: #322 zombie

What a scumbag. I hope he's in jail for a long, long time?

341 UncleSam  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #328 DesertSage

I don't even want to quote what you just said, but it did pique my curiosity, so I have just one question-
Which one did the urinating?

The top one, as I recall.

342 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:24:54pm

re: #313 hermeneutics

As a little kid, it was determined I was hyperactive. So my lovely parents (mother is a shrink) sent me to some sort of weird program at Stanford for hyper kids.

Four years later, I had learned a lot about tennis (we'd warm up and pick up balls for the tennis team to "work off energy") and nothing else. Later, when sent to school on the east coast, I discovered I was YEARS behind.

Just a first-hand anecdote about Stanford...

I got two words for you: Richard Zimbardo.

Ethics has never been their string suit there. Experiments on humans was par for the course for decades at Stanford.

343 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:25:48pm

re: #341 UncleSam

The top one, as I recall.


That would certainly give it the upper hand.

344 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:26:06pm

Excuse me: PHILIP Zimbardo. Not Richard.

345 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:26:21pm

re: #337 realwest
Now you have my curiosity piqued.
Did you not enjoy being an attorney?

346 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:03pm

re: #313 hermeneutics

As a kid, Herme, I was an Air Force brat, and hit 5th grade in England, where my teachers were DECIDEDLY disconnected with real-world facts, in MANY cases...

But when I politely raised my hand (Ack! Gasp!) and courteously informed them of their mistake, I was sent to the office for caning. (the rapping of MY palms with a cane stick... PAINFUL!)

That STILL didn't change the facts, and the teachers were STILL factually wrong! :D

347 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:19pm

re: #308 zombie

As I explained VERY laboriously in the introduction to my Folsom Street Fair report, even I questioned the wisdom of publishing the photos. But in the end (ha!), I decided that to self-censor in the name of political correctness would violate my principles. I went to report on what I saw, so I was duty bound to do so. It's not my responsibility that public BJs and jacking off were going on! If people don't want to gain a reputation for doing such things, then they shouldn't do them. Don't blame the messenger!

Zombie -- I hope you didn't misunderstand my meaning; I completely approved of your Folsom Street Fair report, and completely disapproved of what the FSF stands for.

Okay, maybe I don't totally disapprove of everything at the FSF -- a few of the activities I'd be just fine with if they had occurred within the walls of a privately-owned sex club (of which there are many in our free nation) or under the bright noon sun in the isolated acres of a privately owned "swingers" resort (of which there are also many).

But not on a public city street -- even one that is nominally "closed off" for the occasion.

On the other hand, there were some behaviors on display at the FSF (such as condomless b*ttf*cking) that I emphatically detest no matter where they take place, and that I "defend" only in the same libertarian way that I "defend" a woman's personal right to rent out her vagina for crystal-meth money.

348 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:25pm

re: #335 Typicalwhitey

Thanks, dude.

349 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:39pm

Philip Zimbardo

Philip G. Zimbardo (born March 23, 1933) is an American psychologist and a professor emeritus at Stanford University. He is known for his Stanford prison experiment and his authorship of introductory psychology textbooks for college students. ...

The prison experiment

In the year 1971, Zimbardo accepted a tenured position as professor of psychology at Stanford University. There he conducted the infamous Stanford prison experiment, in which 24 normal college students were randomly assigned to be "prisoners" or "guards" in a mock prison located in the basement of the psychology building at Stanford (three additional college students were selected as alternates, but did not participate in the experiment).
The students quickly began acting out their roles, with "guards" becoming sadistic and "prisoners" showing extreme passivity and depression. Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to have exhibited "genuine" sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were emotionally traumatized and four had to be removed from the experiment early.
Ethical concerns surrounding the famous experiment often draw comparisons to the Milgram experiment, which was conducted in 1961 at Yale University by Stanley Milgram, Zimbardo's former high school friend.

That's Stanford for ya.

Only had to chase tennis balls? Count yourself lucky.

350 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:46pm

re: #343 solomonpanting

Heh

351 Racer X  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:27:54pm

re: #329 Noam Sayin'

Hang tough Noam. Spend time with your pops.

352 formercorpsman  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:28:26pm

re: #330 rawmuse

His stuff is top shelf.

Lucky you.

I mean that.

353 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:28:44pm

re: #336 Racer X

Wait a minute, you've actually seen a man who has two.... never mind.

If he had three, his pants would fit him like a glove.

/rimshot

354 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #352 formercorpsman

I concur entirely.

355 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:30:28pm

re: #348 Noam Sayin'

Thanks, dudette.


Fixed that for ya ;)
My brother has had lymphoma thrice and skin cancer once.
If you need to talk, just click on my name.

356 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:30:46pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

If he had three, his pants would fit him like a glove.

/rimshot

Plus, he could open a pawn shop...

357 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:30:56pm

re: #344 zombie

Excuse me: PHILIP Zimbardo. Not Richard.

I never met him, thankfully. He's a lightweight, intellectually, but he brings in those grants.

358 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:32:08pm

re: #329 Noam Sayin'
Shit Noam I'm really sorry to hear that news.
My original docs gave me 8 months to live and here I am going on 3 years now! Course my newer doctors are also hinting at a time-line, but it's all based on statistics; there is no way anyone, even the most gifted Oncologist can make a truly accurate predicition of "how long". And it is a very BAD idea to get too friendly with Bourbon or any other alcoholic drink in your circumstances. I know this from personal experience, too.
Maybe y'all ought to drop me a line instead of picking up some booze - and I'm serious, EVERY TIME you feel like boozing, drop me an e-mail.
Prayers going up for you and for all of yours.

359 jaunte  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:32:34pm

Here's a Zimbardo photo:
[Link: www.udel.edu...]

360 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:32:57pm

re: #349 zombie

Philip Zimbardo

That's Stanford for ya.

Only had to chase tennis balls? Count yourself lucky.

Well, not so lucky. New math. New english. Never graduated from high school.

Ended up at Yale, then Univ of Chicago. And I have a great backhand!

361 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:33:30pm

re: #340 Occasional Reader

What a scumbag. I hope he's in jail for a long, long time?

TYPICAL, head-shaking result:

In Nevada, where he merely prematurely burned up the "Burning man" sculpture four days before it was scheduled to be burned anyway, and which was rebuilt the following day, he was just sentenced to four years in state prison. But in San Francisco, where he tried to burn down the city's cathedral, he got -- three year's probation, and no jail time at all!

If anything ever showed the difference betwen Nevada and San Francisco, this is it.

362 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:33:57pm

re: #346 Karridine

As a kid, Herme, I was an Air Force brat, and hit 5th grade in England, where my teachers were DECIDEDLY disconnected with real-world facts, in MANY cases...

But when I politely raised my hand (Ack! Gasp!) and courteously informed them of their mistake, I was sent to the office for caning. (the rapping of MY palms with a cane stick... PAINFUL!)

That STILL didn't change the facts, and the teachers were STILL factually wrong! :D

You must have been a handful. At least they didn't try to drug you!

363 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:34:30pm

re: #361 zombie

But in San Francisco, where he tried to burn down the city's cathedral, he got -- three year's probation, and no jail time at all!

That is absolutely insane.

364 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:34:30pm

re: #348 Noam Sayin'

Hey Noam, sorry to hear about your Dad and your Niece. Hang in there buddy, and don't drink too much.

And remember, you have potential!

365 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:35:03pm

re: #363 Occasional Reader

That is absolutely insane.

SOP around here, sadly.

366 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:35:05pm

Noam, sorry to hear about your pain. Take comfort wherever you can get it. Booze probably isn't the best choice, but what ever gets you through......

367 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:35:22pm

re: #355 Typicalwhitey

*peeks*

Oh, you are a girl lizard. My bad.

I'm still just trying to comprehend why a family can be visited with such torment for three fucking years.

368 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:36:00pm

re: #348 Noam Sayin'

Sorry Noam, I meant my avatar.
That is where my email is.

369 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:36:06pm

re: #365 rawmuse

SOP around here, sadly.

Why does anyone even bother becoming a cop in San Francisco?

370 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:36:29pm

re: #360 hermeneutics

When you build a solar house don't use "Heat Rejecting" low-e glass, make sure you use "Heat Admitting" low-e glass. (low-e means low Emissivity, there is a coating on the glass that inhibits it from sending heat out of the house in the infrared). (I should have put this note into my post in the Hitchens thread).

371 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:37:07pm

re: #367 Noam Sayin'

Don't know Noam.
I lost a family member in Iraq and my mom died in a fire last year.

Sometimes shit just happens.

372 Roentgen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:37:20pm

re: #361 zombie

Lighting up the burning man before the folks were ready is pretty creepy stuff. I'd say he should have to spend six months, eight hours a day listening to Donny Osmond to repay society for that.

373 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:37:44pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

Why does anyone even bother becoming a cop in San Francisco?

In my case, it turned out to be somewhat Quixotic. I still give a shit, I guess.
Plus, the pay is great. Maybe double what I make presently.

374 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:38:21pm

re: #370 Ojoe

Ojoe -- I was just signing off when I saw your nic. I copied your last entry and will order the book you recommended ... the professional version.

This may be a silly question, but what is the impact of altitude on passive solar systems, if any? Does the relative thinness of the air make a difference?

375 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:38:25pm

re: #371 Typicalwhitey

I'm so sorry to hear that, TW.

376 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:39:18pm

re: #362 hermeneutics

Nah, I took care of that myself... later on... :(

/Sweat Dreams, Kiddo

377 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:39:26pm

re: #375 Occasional Reader

Thanks.
I am a firm believer in you are born with a certain amount of heartbeats.
And that is that.

378 nigella  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:39:51pm

Noam, I often wonder"Why Me". My mom died of cancer at age 67, my dad followed two years later.....Aunt three years ago and her daughter, my cousin at age 57, one year later. I think, why me? and the answer is, it isn't "me." I get to go on, I get to enjoy my family, my grandkids, even my 91 year old mother-in-law. Life is short. Live each day to its' fullest.

379 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:40:38pm

re: #345 Typicalwhitey
Yes and no. I loved interacting with clients, strategizing with them on deals and out-lawyering the other side's lawyers. But I HATED the administrative crap (time sheets were the bane of my existence) and if you're any good as a lawyer you get "promoted" periodically and ultimately made a partner (or, just as likely these days, a "member") of the law firm and with that come more and more administrative responsibilities and less and less opportunities to meet with clients, strategize with them and prepare for and out-lawyer the other side's lawyers.
Plus I don't recall any year that I was in practice when I didn't average a 65 billable hour work week (billable doesn't include talking to your friends, going out to eat and the like, so to put in 65 billable hours you'd wind up being in the office 75 or so EVERY WEEK.
But I LOVED teaching law! I was about to become the only Full Time Real Estate Full Professor (full time position at a greatly reduced rate of pay) ever in the history of the graduate program where I taught. Then came the cancer and everything in my life changed.

380 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:41:04pm

I'm out. Good night.

381 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:41:11pm

re: #378 nigella

Zackley!

Write ON!

382 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:41:47pm

By the way: Food note:
Eat all the FRIED food you please. America was built by people who ate fried stuff.

It may seem a minor point, but I think it is very very telling: can't eat all you want or other countries may not say OK, and on top of that, don't eat fried food, it is the new patriotism.

This is life-denying, and fascist, and small thinking.

I certainly hope that the D. party is soundly rejected in November.

383 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:42:31pm

re: #367 Noam Sayin'

*peeks*

Oh, you are a girl lizard. My bad.

I'm still just trying to comprehend why a family can be visited with such torment for three fucking years.

Maybe not my place but I'll throw this out.

You only feel pain if you care and there is no better help for those suffering than to know that they matter.

384 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:42:35pm

re: #379 realwest

Wow I am sorry about your cancer realwest.
I knew you had been ill, but I didn't want to pry.

No worries about me being a lawyer though, I am retired and raising my fifth grade daughter.
Which I LOVE!

385 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:43:02pm

So Hugh Hewitt has written a "Letter to a Young Obama Supporter" to try to reprogram the young Obamabot in your life with an infusion of accurate data.

Now he needs to write "Letter to an Old Meathead Obama Supporter" for Rob Reiner.

386 Roentgen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:43:12pm

This thread is in need of something up-beat. Let not your heart be troubled.

387 Karridine  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:43:21pm

BBIAW...

This month's (this years?) haircut is upon me...

388 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:46:10pm

re: #374 hermeneutics

The thin air lets in more sunlight so that's a plus.

In a minor way, it must be easier to heat the air inside the house if there is less of it, but that would be hard to measure directly & anyway you are heating the walls, floor, contents of the house too.

But the sun will be brighter at a higher altitude, that's all good.

389 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:47:43pm

re: #347 Throbert McGee

Zombie -- I hope you didn't misunderstand my meaning; I completely approved of your Folsom Street Fair report, and completely disapproved of what the FSF stands for.

No, everything's fine -- I didn't think you were expressing disapproval of my report. Your comment just reminded me that I had gotten many furious reactions from some other members of the gay community. Some of the scariest, nastiest attacks I've ever gotten from non-Muslims. I was pretty surprised!

390 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:48:02pm

re: #347 Throbert McGee

a little too much info

391 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:48:21pm

re: #388 Ojoe

thanks!

392 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:49:18pm

re: #391 hermeneutics

You are welcome

393 realwest  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:49:22pm

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all but I GOTTA get some sleep NOW!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

394 Typicalwhitey  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:50:00pm

re: #393 realwest

Night real!

395 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:50:57pm

I'm noticing that science fiction writers seem to have their eyes open about energy. Jerry Pournelle is the latest.

396 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:51:43pm

re: #312 rawmuse

I am alternating driving long distances with staying put. I went on vacation with my Mom (family reunion) and drove 1100 miles in a week.
But ever since I got back, no driving. Not once.
I walk and bike everywhere now.

Driving is one of my greatest pleasures. I'm dying here lately with these gas prices. I used to think nothing of driving over a thousand miles, stopping only for gas and food.

397 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:53:23pm

re: #346 Karridine

Was that a Brit school or one on base? In England I went to RAF Bruntingthorpe and RAF Molesworth to the dependent schools. Had one classmate that had gone to a Brit school for one year.

Dependent schools seemed to have had less flakes as teachers. Same at Laon AFB in France.

398 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:54:50pm

Thanks for all the good words, folks. This forum is a most wonderful place.

And don't worry about the drinking. I'm typically a wine drinker, and the bourbon thing is probably a passing fancy - although I've found it more palatable, neat, than some scotches. I might have to try some of that Basil Hayden's that Mandy's always going on about.

I just wish someone in charge would let this family have a break.

399 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 10:58:36pm

re: #398 Noam Sayin'

Noam, I for one am praying for solace and comfort for you and yours.
The Bitter Cup shall pass to all of us in time.

Give ear to my words, O LORD,
consider my sighing.
Listen to my cry for help,
my King and my God,
for to you I pray.
In the morning, O LORD, you hear my voice;
in the morning I lay my requests before you
and wait in expectation.

400 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:04:08pm

re: #398 Noam Sayin'

(((((Noam))))))

401 Roentgen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:09:26pm

Hang in there Noam. We need you.

402 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:10:22pm

Sorry, folks. Didn't mean to bring the thread down.

Perhaps a Ferrari ripping through the streets of Paris will liven us back up?

403 pat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:11:39pm

Just watched Obama on TV talking about energy. He must be the dumbest Presidential Candidate that ever ran for office. Carter's BS "Nuclear Engineer" credentials actually look good against this fool. He must have been hit in the head at The Trinity Church Of Hate post sermon dash to free cake.

404 pat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:13:09pm

re: #398 Noam Sayin'

Tomorrow is another day. And we all have the shoveling.

405 Sydney Carton  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:14:23pm

I always did like that quote by Chesterton.

406 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:15:39pm

Hey, Noam? Forget about the bucket of sapphires. Buy me this and I'm all yours.

407 Captkirk35  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:17:10pm

I recently moved to a new town, and my son enrolled in the local middle school for the last week and a half of the school year. In his science class, the subject was Global Warming (is there ever a time when it isn't). Being the couragous (maybe too much so) kid that he is, he asked his teacher if he had seen the movie, The Global Warming Swindle. Of course he hadn't, and gave my son the cold shoulder the rest of the week. Today we got his report card, and his science grade was an F. Mind you, he did no assignments during those last 8 days. Unreal.

408 yochanan  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:18:59pm

re: #407 Captkirk35

in my opinion i would go visit the pricipal at this point.

409 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:19:01pm

re: #406 MandyManners

For that, you gotta do stuff...

410 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:20:20pm

re: #409 Noam Sayin'

For that, you gotta do stuff...

I'll row the boat on our lake and bait your hook.

411 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:20:32pm

re: #407 Captkirk35

That sounds practically criminal. Fight it. Hard.
And people wonder why home schooling happens.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:20:48pm

Didja' get load of the wine cellar?

413 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:21:22pm

re: #407 Captkirk35

Fight it hard.

414 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:21:37pm

Ferrari fail.

415 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:21:55pm

re: #410 MandyManners

I'm talking about fishing, for pity's sake.

416 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:22:01pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Didja' get load of the wine cellar?

Still gotta do stuff.

417 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:22:44pm

re: #407 Captkirk35

I recently moved to a new town, and my son enrolled in the local middle school for the last week and a half of the school year. In his science class, the subject was Global Warming (is there ever a time when it isn't). Being the couragous (maybe too much so) kid that he is, he asked his teacher if he had seen the movie, The Global Warming Swindle. Of course he hadn't, and gave my son the cold shoulder the rest of the week. Today we got his report card, and his science grade was an F. Mind you, he did no assignments during those last 8 days. Unreal.

You should take that report card to the principal, explained what happened, and get that science teacher fired. Tell the principal in no uncertain terms that you will go to the media if your demands are not met. Demands = Kid gets grade raised, teacher gets canned.

418 Captkirk35  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #408 yochanan

Email already sent.

419 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:23:19pm

re: #414 Noam Sayin'

Ferrari fail.

Jonathan Quail Higgins a/k/a Robin Masters would've had fit.

420 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:23:41pm

re: #416 Noam Sayin'

How about that gazebo?

421 rawmuse  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:24:42pm

Goodnight Lizards!
Comfort and solace offered to the afflicted.
And afflictions to the comfortable. ;) (not)

422 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:24:48pm

re: #420 MandyManners

How about that gazebo?

Yes. You'd have to do stuff in that gazebo.

423 LeePro  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:24:54pm

re: #367 Noam Sayin'

I'm still just trying to comprehend why a family can be visited with such torment for three fucking years.

Sometimes it helps just to know you have such a family who cares about one another.

Praying for you...

424 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:25:17pm

I will say this: aside from refrigeration and sound recording, ibuprofen has to be mankind's greatest invention.

425 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:26:09pm

re: #422 Noam Sayin'

I'm starting to giggle. I'm gonna' try to go to sleep again.

Nighty-night, Lizards.

426 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:27:40pm

re: #425 MandyManners

Betcha dream about us...

doin' stuff.

Good night, Mandy.

427 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:28:20pm

re: #423 LeePro

Thank you.

428 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:28:48pm

In that gazebo...

429 Roentgen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:29:09pm

re: #424 zombie

I will say this: aside from refrigeration and sound recording, ibuprofen has to be mankind's greatest invention.

Jazz, football and beer?

430 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:29:27pm

re: #402 Noam Sayin'

Noam thats cool but my teenage years were set in the drivers seat of a great American V8. So if a ferrari sounded more like this it would be better:)

431 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:30:13pm

re: #424 zombie

I will say this: aside from refrigeration and sound recording, ibuprofen has to be mankind's greatest invention.

Used to pop the 800mg tabs like they were candy.

432 Roentgen  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:31:03pm

re: #418 Captkirk35

Email already sent.

Some things are better done in person. Give 'em hell.

433 Edouard  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:31:17pm

A good way to deal with it, when you're far away from someone and seeming to get farther, such as when someone close to you is ill and has embarked on a tough journey, is to remember favorite music that brings you closer to the person that you feel for.

Here is a great song by Butch Hancock, sung by a great performer in Joe Ely.

If You Were a Bluebird

434 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:34:08pm

re: #428 Noam Sayin'

In that gazebo...

Do not anger the Gazebo, or it shall destroy you!

435 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:35:03pm

re: #430 Metal Man

Great scene, though the sounds were dubbed in by a foley artist. Plus, I'm skeptical that a GTO could outrun a Mustang.

Just the same, for pure, balls to the wall production muscle, nothing beats American auto ingenuity.

436 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:37:35pm

re: #390 yochanan

a little too much info

You can never be too rich, too handsome, or have too much information.

437 zombie  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:39:35pm

re: #431 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Used to pop the 800mg tabs like they were candy.

800? Holy Cow. A single 200 is all I need to go from agonizing headache to total relief. I can't even imagine taking two of them, much less four of them at a time.

That must have been some kinda pain you were feeling.

Since I'm allergic to aspirin, and acetominophen (i.e. Tylenol) has no affect on me whatsoever, nor does Sodium Naproxen (Aleve), and anything more powerful (i.e. opiates or general anaesthesia) makes me severely nauseated, ibuprofen is like the only chemical that alleviates pain for me.

I only take about 2 or 3 pills a month at most, as needed, but the mere thought that ibuprofen even exists is so reassuring.

438 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:39:41pm

re: #65 yochanan

Interesting article, thanks for posting it!
(A special request though, to anyone posting a link -- if you're linking to a long article that has more than one page, please take a moment to back up your browser to the start of the article before copying the link for us. That way you're sending us to the beginning of the article, instead of the end ;-).)

439 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:40:28pm

re: #417 zombie

You should take that report card to the principal, explained what happened, and get that science teacher fired. Tell the principal in no uncertain terms that you will go to the media if your demands are not met. Demands = Kid gets grade raised, teacher gets canned.

More likely the principal does that Donald Sutherland thing from Invasion of the Body Snatchers .... . "Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh you're one of THEM! The Deniers!"

440 pat  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:40:58pm

Tylenol should be prescription only.

441 LeePro  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:41:15pm

re: #407 Captkirk35

I would go to principal and demand to be shown exactly what (assignments, papers, in-class work, etc.) that grade was based upon!

442 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:41:54pm

My favorite drug is hydrocodone. I'm shocked I'm not addicted to it. Gives me a warm peaceful fuzzy feeling... lol

443 Metal Man  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:43:51pm

re: #435 Noam Sayin'
Thats as close as I could find to the sounds I remember. All the squealing wrecks it though.

A buddy of mine owned a Triumph spitfire ( little british car IIRC) and I had a 1970 Buick GS. He always told me how he could beat me in a race with curves and my response was, only if you get to the first one before me.
Man I miss cheap gas and no responsibilities.

444 LeePro  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:44:11pm

re: #417 zombie

You should take that report card to the principal, explained what happened, and get that science teacher fired. Tell the principal in no uncertain terms that you will go to the media if your demands are not met. Demands = Kid gets grade raised, teacher gets canned.

Ooooooooooo. I LIKE that idea. DO IT, Captkirk35! ! !

445 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jun 28, 2008 11:44:23pm

re: #437 zombie

800? Holy Cow. A single 200 is all I need to go from agonizing headache to total relief. I can't even imagine taking two of them, much less four of them at a time.

USMC. They were the default dosage for anything from a sore ankle to head aches to having a fever. They'ld give you a dozen or so at a time. Most guys I knew would pop some prior to a hump so you would have it in your system already. I must have thrown away a hundred or so when I got out of the Corps.