Wow, do I hope the left decides this is a viable strategy.

This from the man that almost started WWIII out of arrogance.

He's widely mocked outside of the US.

And what about that train?

Weasely Clark is a weasel (News of the tautological :-)

Considering the crap Wesley Clark pulled in Bosnia, he's not one to talk.

What a jackass.

And of course being a "community organizer" is?

Maybe McCain doesn't have the best qualifications for being president, but his opponent's qualifications aren't even good enough for his current position as Senator.

Will the MSM point this out?

Weasely, why you wearing a war criminals hat?

‘I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president,” former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Wesley Clark told Face the Nation on Sunday.

1. And according the American Voters in the last election Wes, neither is being a desk jockey.
2.. Screw you

Hypocrisy and Irony

Words fail me

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

And of course being a "community organizer" is?

Maybe McCain doesn't have the best qualifications for being president, but his opponent's qualifications aren't even good enough for his current position as Senator.

Will the MSM point this out?

Not commenting on this, just bears repeating.

I found that story last night and couldn't believe that moron said those things.
Of course, he is the darling of kos and they are posting multiple diaries about how McCain has no foreign policy experience.

‘I don’t think riding in a fighter plane swift boat and getting shot down at is a qualification to be president,” former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Wesley Clark told Face the Nation on Sunday.

I don't remember good Old Wes saying anything like this about Kerry

PS: screw you again Wes

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Clark bar!

I want Clark barred.

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Clark bar!

Is that like a Baby Ruth in a pool?

"This is not the Wesley Clark I knew"

Clark thrown under the Bush in 5,4,3,2...

If Obama was white, the MSM would be comparing him to George McGovern.

re: #15 jcm

Is that like a Baby Ruth in a pool?

I'm Wes Clark, and I'm reporting for dootie

BTW, would be cool to have the word "Supreme" in your job title.

What does Clark know about military matters? Oh I remember. He was a general once. Nearly got the US into a shooting war with the Russians in Kosovo until saner heads prevailed.

Right. And we should listen to Clark why? Because he's a Democrat?

He's nothing more than a smear merchant engaging in depraved audacity by attacking McCain's military record and experience as qualifications to be President when Obama lacks any experience at all.

Amazing. Obama has all the moonbat military men supporting him. All the Carter team. When will Pat Bucanan give his support to Obama?

More seriouosly, if McCain's service isn't enough, what about Obama's. Frankley, he has no more resume than I do when it comes to doing things that one would think of as making one qualified for the Presidency. ¹/₂ term as a Senator? Hell, he doesn't have enough experience for a lesser leadership role in the Senate.

As for outside experience, well, has the man ever held a real job? Chicago political hack doesn't count.

Weasely, did you kiss his ass too?

‘I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president

And Obama's qualifications are...? You sure you want to go there Wesley?

Is this the asshole who almost got us into a shooting war with the Russians?

Then again, Clark could simply be Hillary's revenge on Obama - after all, he was in Clinton's camp before she bailed. /revenge is a dish best served cold. /old klingon proverb

Yup, at least with McCain, he won't let any foreign powers attack us or mess with us, he apparently wants to do that himself .

As a pilot myself, I agree that riding around in a fighter plane and getting shot down does not automatically qualify one to be president. It was how McCain conducted himself after being shot down that makes him thousands of times more qualified than Clark to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

So Wesley, "certainly honor[s] his service as a prisoner of war", but through omission, implies that he does not similarly honor McCain's combat service, and then actually demeans McCain's leadership of a fighter squadron, dismissing it as not being a 'wartime squadron'. Disgusting...

re: #12 Typicalwhitey

I found that story last night and couldn't believe that moron said those things.
Of course, he is the darling of kos and they are posting multiple diaries about how McCain has no foreign policy experience.

Which is the height of irony when one takes Senator Obama's foreign policy experience into account.

If Senator McCain has zero foreign policy experience, then Senator Obama's foreign policy expericenc is in negative double digits.

Ratko after the private meeting with Weasely.

re: #24 MandyManners

Good morning Miss Manners.

I honestly expected them to try to just not mention McCain's service. Bringing it up in any way other than "fawning" over it is downright stupid!

Demean a Navy Pilot for saying that his job in VietNam was no big deal, is a huge slap in the face to all VN Naval Pilots.

kos on his comments to the DLC about Senator Lieberman
What a fricken loser.

Clark went on to say: “That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn’t a wartime squadron.”

Someone remind me, which wartime squadron was commanded by Rear Admiral Obama?

It’s a matter of gauging your opponents

Sen. McCain has BHO beat on this front. He knows that you just can't "talk" to someone like ShortShit and make him be nice.

POS.

re: #33 Typicalwhitey

kos on his comments to the DLC about Senator Lieberman
What a fricken loser.

Bad link.

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama was a community aggrandizer organizer. That's real service.

Exactly which "communities" did he "organize" and how well are those "communities" thriving today?

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good morning Miss Manners.

I honestly expected them to try to just not mention McCain's service. Bringing it up in any way other than "fawning" over it is downright stupid!

Demean a Navy Pilot for saying that his job in VietNam was no big deal, is a huge slap in the face to all VN Naval Pilots.

Yeah, Clark stepped on his wahoo here.

re: #33 Typicalwhitey,

Linkey no workey.

So will Wesley Clark be the next victim of the Obama Bus?

*Bump* *Bump*

re: #20 Golem Akbar

Amazing. Obama has all the moonbat military men supporting him. All the Carter team. When will Pat Bucanan give his support to Obama?

Once Obama says how he really feels about the Jews ("I'm pandering to them because I need their support to get elected, then I'll throw them under the bus."), Pat will support Obama.

re: #33 Typicalwhitey

Oops here it really is:

What a loser

Snip:

So there I was, in the lion's den, calling Joe Lieberman an asshole.

And people applauded and cheered.

I'm not sure what that means, but I got the DLC to applaud me calling Lieberman an asshole. That means something.

What a concise arguement against Senator Lieberman's policies...sheesh!

I'm sure Obama will step out and "clarify" the comments.

I still think a great nic for Obama would be;

"The Great Clarifyer"

Eh, Obama is using Clark now....but later, he will throw him under the bus with the others.

Will this merit a "this is not the Wesley Clark I knew"? Place your bets.

For the past 7 years, we have heard that Bush isn't fit to be President because:
A) He didn't serve in combat
B) Neither of his kids enlisted.

Now that McCain fulfills both of those requirements, the goalposts have moved.

McCain's war time military experience was during WAR TIME, unless I'm way off. If not Vietnam, certainly the Cold War was on during McCain's military career, which fumbling stumbling Weasly WestPointy Clark nearly re-ignited during Clinton's failed presidency.

Was Clark doing dope in Hope with fellow Arkansan Bill Clinton at some point?

And of course, being a community (RE: communist) organizer grants one much more experience in gauging one's enemies than being locked up and tortured for five years. I mean, Barack has been a field general in the fight against the capitalists for his entire life!

Why is it that the left hates the military 90% of the time, excepting the politically motivated kooks like Clark? Oh yeah...they're useful...

re: #39 MandyManners,

"Wahoo"? Is that a euphamism for "dick"? How characteristically understated of you, Mandy.

:-)

I can't think of anything germane, nor witty, so I will just echo "Screw you, Wesley Clark."

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

Ack! You beat me.

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

So will Wesley Clark be the next victim of the Obama Bus?

*Bump* *Bump*

That's not the Wesley Clark I once knew. Toss.

Clark explained: “In the matters of national security policy making, it’s a matter of understanding risk.”

Right, and that's why you nearly got us into war with the Russians.

Oh, and of course your guy Obama is all about gauging opponents and understanding risk, isn't he?

Wes Clark is the political version of an internet troll

I would normally not say anything like this, but Clark's such a tool.

Wes - shouldn't you be out shooting unarmed civilians somewhere? How dare he take potshots (for that now chickensh*t Obama) about McCain - what exactly qualifies you to make these judgements, Wes-buddy?

Seriously, how close were you to starting a hot war with Russia, how stupid exactly are you? These are not rhetorical questions, how f*cking dumb are you, you political hack, POS?

/better now.

Nothing, but nothing pisses me off more politically than to have someone question McCains wartime service/credentials.

Obama is not fit to wipe McCains boots in this matter.

Why would they attack McCain on this matter, I can't believe there is anyone, Dem or Republican, that would doubt McCain on this issue.
The man had the guts to refuse early release while being tortured, never knowing if the torture would result in death!

That took guts that probably 99.99% of us simply do not have!

re: #21 Iron Fist

More seriouosly, if McCain's service isn't enough, what about Obama's. Frankley, he has no more resume than I do when it comes to doing things that one would think of as making one qualified for the Presidency. ¹/₂ term as a Senator? Hell, he doesn't have enough experience for a lesser leadership role in the Senate.

As for outside experience, well, has the man ever held a real job? Chicago political hack doesn't count.

* * *
Dear IronFist,

Hack with Hope is ENOUGH qualifications for many Americans, in their COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Yes, electing a Chicago sheister with no military experience while we're in a GLOBAL WAR is what Democrats think is right. And military democrats want another appeasement minded lawyer for president.

Gotta love that Face Disgrace The Nation.
And General Clark is such a good little Dem tool - sure sounds like he's running for something.

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Markos is just pissed that his boy Lamont lost the general election to Lieberman.

Markos, the Dudmaker.

Anybody feel like puking?
The msm makes me sick.
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Wesley Clark shows how low the Barack Obama campaign will go through their surrogates.

These are George Soros' surrogates.

From 2006:
Billionaire Soros Gives Financial Boost to General Clark

Hello George!

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama was a community aggrandizer organizer. That's real service.

* * *
And...Porkmeister for Rev. Wright's favorite charity! $15 million or more to the Taqiyyah United Caliphate Coverup organization in Chicago. Delivering old fashioned pork to Chicago, not too shabby for a "new, change, hope" kinda guy.

And Obama, that community organizin' rocket scientist messiah - don't get me started about his qualifications...

Since when does greasing the palms of every crooked developer in Illinois trump 30 years of elected service on top of a harrowing military one?

How many of those developments you greased palms for are actually still fit for humans to live in, and do you give a fat rats ass about that? How organized is this community you represented, exactly?

Wesley Clark is an asshole. WTF did he ever do? F* him and the moped he rode in on.

re: #34 Occasional Reader

Someone remind me, which wartime squadron was commanded by Rear Admiral Obama?

McCain commanded that unit during the Cold War - at a time when pilots were required to be prepared for a fight with the Soviets at any time...

re: #38 VegasRick

Exactly which "communities" did he "organize" and how well are those "communities" thriving today?

Do mean to imply, sir, that the South Side of Chicago is anything less than a tranquil (and socialist) paradise? How dare you!

re: #38 VegasRick

Exactly which "communities" did he "organize" and how well are those "communities" thriving today?

The have one hell of a bus stop.

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

I know.
But now there are multiple diaries on there condemning McCains service.
I have never seen anything like that site, as soon as one of their tools says something they all jump on the bandwagon.
So very easily led.

Fron 2007:
Why is Wesley Clark defending Soros?

This isn't the first time he has made such comments.

He said much of the same on Morning Joe on MSDNC a few weeks ago.

re: #47 Dave the.....,

Just like the goalposts of victory in Iraq. As long as it is a Republican or a Republican's war, it'll never be good enough. OTOH, a Democrat can dodge the draft, and he's fit to be Commander in Chief.

Not to mention getting blow jobs while discussing foreign policy.

*spit*

re: #47 Dave the.....

For the past 7 years, we have heard that Bush isn't fit to be President because:
A) He didn't serve in combat
B) Neither of his kids enlisted.

Now that McCain fulfills both of those requirements, the goalposts have moved.

With the moonbat left the goalposts are moving constantly... even on the same day they may move and then go back to their original position... never attempt to apply logic to the triple L's.

re: #28 SaracensAtTheGates

As a pilot myself, I agree that riding around in a fighter plane and getting shot down does not automatically qualify one to be president. It was how McCain conducted himself after being shot down that makes him thousands of times more qualified than Clark to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

* * *
McCain ALSO had the chutzpah to stand up to Ronald Reagan, whom he adored, in 1983 when our Marines were sent to Lebanon without adequate security.

McCain was right, Reagan was wrong, and it cost America about 190 murdered Marines.

McCain stood up to the biggest baddest Commander in Chief during the Cold War, for what was right. Weasely Clark isn't fit to lick McCain's flip flops.

re: #73 Iron Fist

,

Just like the goalposts of victory in Iraq. As long as it is a Republican or a Republican's war, it'll never be good enough. OTOH, a Democrat can dodge the draft, and he's fit to be Commander in Chief.

Not to mention getting blow jobs while discussing foreign policy.

*spit*

It all depends what the definition of is is.

Clark...what a tool. He was removed for cause. That means some level of reporting fraud or serious moral failure. Not worth the effort of a court marshal, but serious enough for immediate termination and removal from position of authority.

Oden is another life support system for an ass hole.

Wasn't this the same Wesley Clark who was fired by Bill Clinton from his NATO position because he threatened nukes when confronting a Russian general in the Balkans? Isn't this the same Wesley Clark who whored his political allegiance to which ever Party would offer him the best deal after 9-11?

It looks like Wesley is willing to throw a fellow military veteran under the bus to curry favor and perhaps a nice, fat Secretary position in a Obama administration. Would you classify Clark as a REMF?

The media left is preparing to deploy its cherished Vietnam mythology on a massive scale.

Some on left target McCain's war record

But farther to the left—and among some of McCain's conservative enemies as well—harsher attacks are circulating. Critics have accused McCain of war crimes for bombing targets in Hanoi in the 1960s.

Then there is this classic invocation of the Myth:

The newsletter CounterPunch published this April an article by Doug Valentine headed 'Meet the Real John McCain: North Vietnam's Go-To Collaborator.'

Valentine suggested McCain contemplated suicide—something the candidate has written about, and attributed in part to his guilt at not withstanding torture—because he was a 'war criminal' whose bombs fell on civilians.

Finally, some undiluted Radio Hanoi propaganda from that period:

'I wouldn't characterize anybody who fought in Vietnam as a war hero,' said Medea Benjamin, a co-founder of the theatrical anti-war group Code Pink. 'In 23 bombing sorties, there must have been civilians that were killed and there's no heroism to that.'

'Anyone who can't look back and admit how wrong it was to be in Vietnam and be killing civilians deserves to be challenged,' she said, though she stressed that her group is more focused on McCain's present support for the war in Iraq than on his past.

I wouldn't spit on the Stalinist pig Medea Benjamin if her ass were on fire. There is still time to settle accounts with many of the Vietnam era traitors, though probably not Ted Kennedy (we know about), Chomsky (age 78), or Cronkite (90).

In ten years, maybe less, the power of the media-industrial complex and its stereotyped 60s cultural paradigm will have declined to the point at which real action is possible.

Conservative commentator Daniel Flynn thinks the en masse resurrection of the iconic 60s traitors will backfire on Obama this year.

Let us hope he is right.

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, this is the same bs soros pulls every four years.

As a hard and fast rule, I have a deep and abiding love and respect for all military people, past, present and future. Having said that, I have absolutely zero respect for this moonbat turncoat, My late father was a thrice-decorated WWII vet, and despised this guy. He taught me to think for myself, but in this instance his opinion is all I need. So, from me and my Pop to you, Clark - sod off.

re: #65 mich-again

Wesley Clark is an asshole. WTF did he ever do? F* him and the moped he rode in on.

I'll tell you what he did. He almost started WWIII.

Expect some "daring" media droid to go to Vietnam and interview some alleged victims of McCain's bombing missions (with Stalinist minders just off camera and a hefty bonus waiting at home).

re: #49 BGOH

And of course, being a community (RE: communist) organizer grants one much more experience in gauging one's enemies than being locked up and tortured for five years. I mean, Barack has been a field general in the fight against the capitalists for his entire life!

Why is it that the left hates the military 90% of the time, excepting the politically motivated kooks like Clark? Oh yeah...they're useful...

* * *
West Point Wes Clark, doing the "swift boatin" Dems said they don't do.

re: #3 Ben Hur

This from the man that almost started WWIII out of arrogance.

He's widely mocked outside of the US.

Little historical footnote: the general who told him he wasn't going to start WWIII for him was the British General Mike Jackson - see here [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #67 Occasional Reader

Do mean to imply, sir, that the South Side of Chicago is anything less than a tranquil (and socialist) paradise? How dare you!

It's the baddest part of town.

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yah, but ya have to remember that Clark is helping Vice Commander Obama go after the military vote.

/Say what?

Clark...what a tool. He was removed for cause.

That is perfect.

re: #79 Avery Bullard

Wasn't this the same Wesley Clark who was fired by Bill Clinton from his NATO position because he threatened nukes when confronting a Russian general in the Balkans? Isn't this the same Wesley Clark who whored his political allegiance to which ever Party would offer him the best deal after 9-11?

It looks like Wesley is willing to throw a fellow military veteran under the bus to curry favor and perhaps a nice, fat Secretary position in a Obama administration. Would you classify Clark as a REMF?

I don't know what REMF is, but if it is analogous of repugnant a**hole then I say yes!

re: #54 Occasional Reader

Right, and that's why you nearly got us into war with the Russians.

Oh, and of course your guy Obama is all about gauging opponents and understanding risk, isn't he?

* * *
Clinton said we'd beat Milosevich in a year (1995)
America still has troops there!

America out of Bosnia! End Clinton's War for ____________!
I blame Wesley Clark's failure to plan for the end of the fighting.

Saw that one, and to tell the truth, so did Bob Schiefer as he tried to get Gen. Clark to STFU. Clark is obviously the "one S.O.B." that doesn't get the message.

-S-

I just did a monster.com search for a job titled community organizer and got 3 results, all in Ohio. I guess Obama and gang must have organized all of illinois and now moved on to Ohio. If a job is legitimate and is needed shouldn't there be listings all over the country?

REMF - Rear Echelon MF.

I am not sure what an MF is, unless someone here would call Wes a mother f*, you get the pic.

/ I thought that was just assumed.

re: #90 loppyd

I don't know what REMF is, but if it is analogous of repugnant a**hole then I say yes!

Rear Echelon Mother... uh, Fouler

I think LGFer Macker said it all with this link he posted at #247 on the Overnight thread:
[Link: www.antiwar.com...]

Don't send Obama to Ohio, we have enough problems.

re: #50 Iron Fist

,

"Wahoo"? Is that a euphamism for "dick"? How characteristically understated of you, Mandy.

:-)

Chief Wahoo McDaniel - not a dick.

re: #86 yma o hyd

Little historical footnote: the general who told him he wasn't going to start WWIII for him was the British General Mike Jackson - see here [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'm aware.

He came out off that situation like a bad-ass

weasel clark is not fit to shine McCain's boots.

this is exceptionally low. i'm not sure what else to say about it.

Let Bud Day discuss Obama's qualifications. That would be telling.

Obama's friend Bernadine Dohrn in 1969

THe strategy seems a little to obvious. Have a surrogate (Clark), raise this up the flag pole & see who salutes.
If it breakks bad, the Obama campaign can say that they had nothing to do with it. "We respect Senator McCain's record , blah, blah,blah."

By the way, according to one of the job descriptions for a "community organizer" one of the qualifications is to have a "desire to save the world" - you just can't make this stuff up - the truth is even funnier.

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Clark bar!

Oh yeah - that reminds me: Water found on Mars!

I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war.

Really. Which branch of the service is that?

re: #58 alegrias

* * *
Dear IronFist,

Hack with Hope is ENOUGH qualifications for many Americans, in their COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Yes, electing a Chicago sheister with no military experience while we're in a GLOBAL WAR is what Democrats think is right. And military democrats want another appeasement minded lawyer for president.

Dear alegrias -
you don't get it, do you!
See - its because BHO has no experience he can start with a clean slate and HOPE to get rid of the terrible military mindset and so CHANGE the attitude to all those poor misguided terrorist nations!
See, they only need BHO's guidance and fresh HOPE, in order to CHANGE their attitude!
Experience is only a hindrance - and who needs it if they just have HOPE! Then they can CHANGE!

Now do you understand?

;-)

One's got a weasel and the other's got a flag.

McTool DaWeez Clark was not removed because of his run-in, contributing factor perhaps, but there is more. Spectacular poor judgment is cumulative.

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, would be cool to have the word "Supreme" in your job title.

Only if you sing with Diana Ross.

I think Wesley is nuttier than a Clark bar.

re: #91 alegrias

* * *
Clinton said we'd beat Milosevich in a year (1995)
America still has troops there!

America out of Bosnia! End Clinton's War for ____________!
I blame Wesley Clark's failure to plan for the end of the fighting.

Yes, but we rescued Muslims. We brought them back to the States , so that they could plot attacks on Military bases in New Jersey.

re: #107 Mauser

What does that mean?

I expect Sandy Berger to come out soon and tell us all that John McCain doesn't have the ethics to be President.

For some undeterminable reason, Weasley Clark confuses being well-known with being significant.

A retired general that nobody listens to appearing on a tv show that nobody watches. What more could you ask for?

This from the only American General to be SUCCESSFULLY deposed by a mutiny by his own men!

That's right, look it up. Clarke's men mutinied against him, and their mutiny was upheld by the Pentagon, that's why he had to leave the Army!

The man is a complete disgrace.

re: #99 Ben Hur

Just looking at Weasel Clark's face and comparing it to General Mike Jackson's - well as a squaddie I'd know whom I'd prefer as my commanding officer!

re: #108 yma o hyd

Dear alegrias -
you don't get it, do you!
See - its because BHO has no experience he can start with a clean slate and HOPE to get rid of the terrible military mindset and so CHANGE the attitude to all those poor misguided terrorist nations!
See, they only need BHO's guidance and fresh HOPE, in order to CHANGE their attitude!
Experience is only a hindrance - and who needs it if they just have HOPE! Then they can CHANGE!

Now do you understand?

;-)

* * *
Now I comprendo--mucho change-o, or as Fidel Castro says, Viva la Changey Revolucion, and Change or Death!

Wesley Clark is a bottom feeding tool.

I suppose little Wesley feels John Kerry's 4 month and 12 day stint with a camera in Vietnam (then abandonment of his men to come home and lie about shit in his winter soldier testimony and hang with that anti-American twit Jan Fonda) accounts for heroism?

behold - the modern leftist.

re: #118 Banner Not too mention trying to start a war with Russia, using British surrogates and subordinates! See my link at #96!

Wesley Clark is a disgrace. Under his command the civillians at Waco were burned alive as a result of armored US military vehicles smashing the compound.

He also covorted with Bosnian war criminals in 1994.

LINK

During one highly-publicized meeting Mladic and Clark, all smiles, gladly exchanged hats, and posed for photographers. It was a particularly shameful moment, one that General Clark never mentions. Making matters worse (if that's possible), the infamous "hat-swap" meeting, which occurred in 1994, was not officially authorized. "It's like cavorting with Hermann Goering" one U.S. official complained at the time.

re: #118 Banner

This from the only American General to be SUCCESSFULLY deposed by a mutiny by his own men!

That's right, look it up. Clarke's men mutinied against him, and their mutiny was upheld by the Pentagon, that's why he had to leave the Army!

The man is a complete disgrace.

* * *
Hey hey hey, Clark was top man at West Point! A genius! How can an "elite" graduate with straight As be a disgrace?

I was wondering how Wes Clark became a general?

Did Clinton do that?

re: #124 alegrias

* * *
Hey hey hey, Clark was top man at West Point! A genius! How can an "elite" graduate with straight As be a disgrace?

I went to Berkeley...having A's does not mean one does well in real life...

re: #122 realwest

Not too mention trying to start a war with Russia, using British surrogates and subordinates! See my link at #96!

Yep - and thus putting General Jackson into a pretty hairy position:

"Had he complied with General Clark's order, there was a chance the British troops under his command could have come into armed conflict with the Russians; doing this without prior orders from Britain would have led to his dismissal for gross insubordination. On the other hand, defying Clark would have meant disobeying a direct order from a superior NATO officer (Clark was a four-star general; Jackson only a three-star). Jackson ultimately chose the latter course of action, reputedly saying "I won't start World War III for you"

(From this site: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Here's another article about Clark's inglorious military career. [Link: www.antiwar.com...]

re: #93 Soccer Fan

I just did a monster.com search for a job titled community organizer and got 3 results, all in Ohio. I guess Obama and gang must have organized all of illinois and now moved on to Ohio. If a job is legitimate and is needed shouldn't there be listings all over the country?

I was on my choir's board for several years. Does that mean I can be President, too?

re: #127 yma o hyd

Yep - and thus putting General Jackson into a pretty hairy position:

"Had he complied with General Clark's order, there was a chance the British troops under his command could have come into armed conflict with the Russians; doing this without prior orders from Britain would have led to his dismissal for gross insubordination. On the other hand, defying Clark would have meant disobeying a direct order from a superior NATO officer (Clark was a four-star general; Jackson only a three-star). Jackson ultimately chose the latter course of action, reputedly saying "I won't start World War III for you"

(From this site: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That sounds scary! Specially after I saw the DVD of the Sum of All Fears...

Did MSM expose this about Clark? Or did they hide it on page 6?

re: #128 TalkinKamel

Here's another article about Clark's inglorious military career. [Link: www.antiwar.com...]

Wow!

Given that Clark attempted to bomb the CNN bureau in Belgrade and ordered the British General Michael Jackson to engage Russian troops in combat at the end of the war, we feel events amply vindicated our forecast.

So... why does CNN supported him? Because he is a Democrat?

What a colossal moron!

So Wes, in understanding risk, just what does a A4 pilot go through in attack planning to avoid having a SA-2 climb up his ass?

Just asking.
/sarc

re: #131 Psaturn

Yes, exactly. Because CNN sees him as being on the "right side" (no matter what whimsical little pranks he pulls.)

re: #83 loppyd

I'll tell you what he did. He almost started WWIII.

And he wants to see if he can succeed next time, with Obama in office.

re: #130 Psaturn

As I recall, the MSM tried to shuffle it aside at the time---meanwhile, continuing to ballyhoo our splendid little war against the Serbs. I might be wrong, but, as I remember, it was the blogs that covered this story.

re: #135 TalkinKamel

As I recall, the MSM tried to shuffle it aside at the time---meanwhile, continuing to ballyhoo our splendid little war against the Serbs. I might be wrong, but, as I remember, it was the blogs that covered this story.

I think you are right..

Here's are several articles that outlining Obama's "alleged" activist work in Chicago
[Link: www.pittsburghlive.com...]
[Link: www.plnewsforum.com...]
[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

VERY ENLIGHTENING FACTS THAT HAVE SOMEHOW BEEN HUSHED.

I was aware of only about 40% of this stuff.

BHO has really been scraping the barrel for some military street-cred and through associations of either nefarious or incompetent failures demonstrates, yet again, his absolute lack of judgement.

The Daily Kos Kidz enthusiastically agree with Wesley Clark, of course: Daily Kos: what was so special about what McCain did as a POW?

That would be called showing character.

I would love to see Barry Hussein and the little Kos Kiddies undergo what McCain had to endure at the hands of the filthy NVA captors. I'm no McCain supporter, I don't really even like the guy, but to live through that hell on earth and emerged in one piece, you are made of tough stuff. Think Barry and his pot smoking supporters would fare as well? I seriously doubt it, He can't even take criticism over his big ears without crying about it nor can he even do his own dirty work. he is a spoiled whiney little gutless candyass and the same goes for the kos kiddies. there isn't an ounce of testosterone in the entire bunch combined.

Oh yea, and Wesley "Ashley Wilkes" Clark was a disaster of a General. he was a political animal, similar to General Meade who used connections to riase up the ranks.

re: #140 bubbasbbq

I share your sentiments about McCain. I;m not a fan but I admire his courage
and strength. This is what builds character - not limp-wristed whining wackjobs who whine about every little thing like Barry does.

Nice of the general to give us his views as he is vying for the Dem VP slot. It is most certainly unbecoming of an officer to bad mouth his fellow military.

Here is a fact: Wesley Clark would have been a lousy POW and falls well short of McCain's national hero status.

McCain freely chose continued imprisonment and torture, rather than selling out his country and his fellows, thus showing his character. The toughest choice Clark ever had to make was whether to wear the shiny jacket with all the nice medals, or the camo that would make him look like a real fighting man. I believe the literary term would be poltroon.

It's amazing how someone would even try to play this moral equivalence game to downgrade McCain's military service that included 5 years as a POW.

The diarist and diary at Daily Kos sickens me, and I hope other blogs expose it for what it represents.

The most important reason people like Weasel Clark and BHO and the whole of the left hate McCain is is blatant honesty.
It is something one cannot fake.
It jumps at you from every page of his autobiography.
If you haven't read it yet - do so!

"Daily Kos: what was so special about what McCain did as a POW?"

I never had a doubt that kos kidz wouldn't know.

Wow-Wesley is a one of those small little pellets that come out the ass of a rabbit.

Wesley Clark dismissed McCain's command time (subsequent to his release) because it wasn't in "wartime".

I guess Wes Clark considers his brief stint commanding observing the air campaign in Kosovo as "wartime command".

Clark has much to answer for, like:

"why did you try to provoke World War 3 with the Russians over who got to drive into an airport first?"

and

"what on earth motivated you to exchange hats for a photo op with a genocidal war criminal?"

Both incidents demonstrate that Wes Clark's experience in uniform did nothing to curb his ego from making huge mistakes and diminishing US prestige abroad.

Email those links to anyone who thinks Wes Clark has ONE OUNCE of credibility regarding international affairs.

Even democrat Bob Beckel, Mondale's campaign strategist, said disgraced fired former General Wes Clark should "shut up. Just shut up" about McCain's war record (late yesterday on a Fox News political program.)

re: #146 yma o hyd

The most important reason people like Weasel Clark and BHO and the whole of the left hate McCain is is blatant honesty.
It is something one cannot fake.
It jumps at you from every page of his autobiography.
If you haven't read it yet - do so!

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There are also videos & documentaries of American POWs during the Vietnam War. "Return with Honor" comes to mind.

These POWS served their country more honorably while being tortured in Southeast Asia 24 hours a day for YEARS, better than Wesley Clark did while pampering Ratko Mladic or Milosevich and clinking champagne glasses living the high life in Europe.

Plenty of bloggers at my.barackobama.com agree with Wes Clark.

82 posts at the time of this post. Expect many more.

Ugly. Sick. Pathetic.

We could have had the "Change" that Barack is offering us by simply surrendering to the USSR in the Cold War.

Then again, Russians have respect for military service. Scratch that last comment.

Like I said in a previous thread, I'd give him the finger before I'd salute the POS.

re: #141 bubbasbbq

"Ashley Wilkes" Clark was a disaster of a General. he was a political animal, similar to General Meade who used connections to riase up the ranks.

Meade defeated Lee at Gettysburg and was not particularly well connected, are you sure you don't mean McClellan?

re: #112 bombarafat

Weasely Clark is nuttier than squirrel turds.

Clark is an ass. Anyone here ever hear of Capt. Lance Sijan, USAF. His story is incredible, I read it several years ago and have never forgotten it. We are blessed as a nation to have had so many, such ax McCain and Sijan and innumerable others serve with such honor and courage. Every school child in America should know Sijan's story.

While on a flight over North Vietnam, Captain Sijan ejected from his disabled aircraft and successfully evaded capture for more than six weeks. During this time, he was seriously injured and suffered from shock and extreme weight loss due to lack of food. After being captured by North Vietnamese soldiers, Captain Sijan was taken to a holding point for subsequent transfer to a prisoner of war camp. In his emaciated and crippled condition, he overpowered one of his guards and crawled into the jungle, only to be recaptured after several hours. He was then transferred to another prison camp where he was kept in solitary confinement and interrogated at length. During interrogation, he was severely tortured; however, he did not divulge any information to his captors. Captain Sijan lapsed into delirium and was placed in the care of another prisoner. During his intermittent periods of consciousness until his death, he never complained of his physical condition and, on several occasions, spoke of future escape attempts. Captain Sijan's extraordinary heroism and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty at the cost of his life are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.

Capt. Lance Sijan, USAF, Medal of Honor

Into the Mouth of the Cat at Amazon

Bring the bus plz... Hussein O will throw weasel Clarck under the bus soon

re: #157 winston06

The bus is warming up.

Ah, Weasley Clark has been thrown under the bus: [Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
Sure didn't take long, did it?

Kosser "bobdevo" had this "talking point" to say in a list of things he thinks will work against Senator McCain:

He lost another plane on the flight deck of a carrier before being shot down over N. Vietnam.

Can you say Forrestal? What kind of complete moron would think being in the Forrestal disaster is a point against someone? ? ?

re: #17 Shug

I'm Wes Clark, and I'm reporting for as dootie

fixed that

re: #159 realwest

Ah, Weasley Clark has been thrown under the bus: [Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
Sure didn't take long, did it?

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On another thread someone suggested this way Obama can make news by "defending" McCain's military record, and pretend to honor McCain...

Trial balloon, pretending to "swift boat" McCain.

re: #159 realwest

Ah, Weasley Clark has been thrown under the bus: [Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
Sure didn't take long, did it?

The throwing under the bus statement deserves to be printed here:

Here's a statement from Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Wes Clark's controversial comments about McCain's military service. "As he's said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by General Clark."

re: #159 realwest

Ah, Weasley Clark has been thrown under the bus: [Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
Sure didn't take long, did it?

Record time. Either BO is getting better with practice or he has some kind of standard form he uses.

Rush is tearing Wesley a new one as I type.

What the heck does he think McCain saw when his plane was being shot down? Do you think he saw rounds being fired at him, heard the plane spiraling down and crashing? How about the ENEMY coming after him? The ENEMY that you have when you are in a WAR. The same enemy that tortured him for years. Would we have expected anything less from this total nitwit? Obama better distance himself as fast as he can from this twit. Because when he tries to make ecuses for him, he will lose respect from vets on both the right and LEFT side of the fence. I truly hope he keeps flapping his mouth!

re: #166 LeatherNeckLady

"This is not the Wesley Clark that I knew...um, know,...um, I mean...is there any room under that bus?"

Ok. So 1967 Viet Nam wasn't in full swing?

McCain and about a dozen other pilots were transferred from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. He VOLUNTEERED for that

The Forrestal was out of commission, due to the weapons explosion on deck. McCain was injured by flying debris from that.

But of course for Weasley Clark.......he would know what really happened in Viet Nam.

LOL Slarty. Oh yes there is plenty of room under that bus! Also would like to add an x to "ecuses". re: #167 SlartyBartfast

Wesley Clark puts the wheeze back in weasel.

# 168 Brees

McCain’s capture and imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam, when his plane was shot down by a missile over Hanoi. He fractured both arms and a leg, nearly drowned and parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. After he regained consciousness, a crowd attacked him, crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him. He was then transported to Hanoi's main Hoa Lo Prison. The rest is history!

Clark better tread very, very lightly as the ice is thinning quickly under his feet.

Go ahead, Gen. Clark.

We can have Lt. Col. Swindle and Col. Day here in short order to respond, sir.

Wow, what a complete tool Clark has become.

And don't you love the reversal. 2004: vote for the Veteran! 2008: who cares about veterans?

re: #36 Cartman

POS.

I'll second that.

Clark’s moronic statements bring to mind a wonderful quote from Monty Python.

“You are a remarkable twit!”

The utter stupidity of the left never ceases to amaze me. Why on earth would Obama think it would be a good idea to use the man who was relieved of his Nato command (by a democrat President, no less) as a surrogate to attack the military service of a POW? They are way past ordinary stupid. They've entered the realm of black hole stupidity.

Gen. Clark, with all due respect, you Sir and the shitbird Murtha can kiss my shrapnel scarred ass.

OOORAH and SEMPER FI!re: #177 MarineGrunt

re: #145 gman

It's amazing how someone would even try to play this moral equivalence game to downgrade McCain's military service that included 5 years as a POW.

The diarist and diary at Daily Kos sickens me, and I hope other blogs expose it for what it represents.

Unfortunately, only some will.

The same thing is going on conservative blogs... without naming names I'll tell you that I see this kind of commenting very frequently on at least one blog that I consider to be extremely conservative.

McCain is getting no quarter from disgruntled, disenfranchised (mostly evangelical) far-right-wing RINO screamers who try to discredit McCains' military service because they think that McCain has "dissed" them... lovely people who self-identify as the "conservative base" of the Republican party.

It's a shameful thing to see on republican/conservative blogs, but its' even more shameful when the blog/site owner does nothing. There is usually someone who speaks up on McCains' behalf, but in far too many instances the comments are left to stand even though they're reported.

Some of the commentators actually appear to be anti-military, as they will also attack fellow commentators who have loved ones in the military if they dare to voice even a modicum of support for Mr. McCain.

It's beyond repulsive.

McCain should vigorously defend himself and fight back indignantly. But I don't expect he will. He campaigns as if he were ambivalent about winning or losing.

re: #173 A.W.

Wow, what a complete tool Clark has become.

And don't you love the reversal. 2004: vote for the Veteran! 2008: who cares about veterans?

It only matters when the veteran is a Dim.

Fair enough, Mr. Clark. How does Senator Obama's military experience stack up against Senator McCain's? What? Why are you looking at me like that?

re: #180 Lawrence Schmerel

McCain should vigorously defend himself and fight back indignantly. But I don't expect he will. He campaigns as if he were ambivalent about winning or losing.

In that respect a McCain Presidency would be a Bush Third Term: an exercise in diffidence, an unwillingness to speak out about what is important, and a complete lack of defending one's position against attacks warranted or unwarranted.

re: #180 Lawrence Schmerel

McCain should vigorously defend himself and fight back indignantly. But I don't expect he will. He campaigns as if he were ambivalent about winning or losing.

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McCain has said he would rather win the war in Iraq than ....something. It's clear McCain put country winning over self winning. If we care about our country, McCain shouldn't have to defend his military record, that's what the rest of us are for.

There's plenty of evidence our POWs served their country far more honorably than their detractors.

Being shot down doesn't qualify one for being US President, but I think serving 20+ years in Congress ought to count for something.

If McCain isn't qualified, then how on earth was John Kerry qualified?

re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans

In that respect a McCain Presidency would be a Bush Third Term: an exercise in diffidence, an unwillingness to speak out about what is important, and a complete lack of defending one's position against attacks warranted or unwarranted.

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Fellow party members get no "Profiles In Courage" awards for the last several years. It's true more allies could have gone out there before the cameras and tried to undo or answer the BDS-addled assaults on the President and his policies.

Did Harry Truman spend his presidency defending himself, or making the hard calls, and to hell with detractors?

re: #178 LeatherNeckLady

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Clark bar!

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I want Clark barred.

I want a Clark barrel.

Hey General Clark -

"You see that flash of light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear!"

Thank you for your service! re: #187 MarineGrunt

Its ok- Obama just gave a speech on what patriotism means, so his surrogates can smear McCains military service all they want.

Hes got cover.

And yes- it will probably work.

Damn we have sunk.

Let's play twister....like in twist the facts. So when Kerry ran service was important and Bush being in the Guard was trashed. Now Weasley Clark says McCain's record doesn't qualify him, but Obama's nothingness does? Jesus H Christ.

Whoops, there he goes!

re: #186 alegrias

Did Harry Truman spend his presidency defending himself, or making the hard calls, and to hell with detractors?

Truman DID defend himself by way of telling them all to go to hell if they didn't get out of the way. President Truman may have been a blunt speaker who pulled no punches, but he did know when to speak out to further his agenda; and when to let others do his speaking for him. Bush neither stands on the soapbox nor lets others step up.

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OT: currently am watching a History Channel Documentary, "Hitler and the Occult", and am just gob-smacked at the parallels with the Messianic Fervor surrounding Der Fuehrer and The Obamassiah. Utterly chilling.

The Army of Obama Clarifiers remind me of the Shutzstaffel, even to the intent of the name (German for "Protective Squadron").

Regardless, Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more briefings, period. That's it."

-Spring 1999

June of 1999 saw the Pristina International Airport
confrontation with the Russians.

By April of 2000 Clark had been relieved of his command and forced into retirement.

"General Hugh Shelton would say of Clark during his 2004 campaign that "the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote," though Shelton never elaborated further on what these issues were."

It's really bad form for a 3-star (Clark) to lie to a 4-star (Shelton).

BTW - Hugh Shelton had endorsed Hillary for President.

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Given his education and reported intelligence, Weasel Clark should have been the best of an era.

Instead, we got one brief moment of Silver Star honor and courage in Vietnam, followed by a career full of monumental screw-ups covered-up by higher powers.

DISMISSED,
R

re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perfectly said.

I am speechless

How in living hell did that man become a general. I'm repeating myself but providing him with a bully pulpit is no different than giving it to Sharpton or any of the other ethically impaired carpetbaggers clogging our airwaves. Stop. it.

How did he graduate as Valedictorian from West Point?

He's a dumbass. Did I mention he is also an asshat?

Of course Bobbie Beckel wants Wesley to "shut up" Even Bobbie B eckel understands what a stupid thing Wesley has done.Since Wesley seems so desperate for attention I just hope he keeps on talking because all that will do is help McCain and remind everyone that Barack's "Organizing Experience" is not and never will be the same as military service.

My brother went to West Point. His distain for Wesley Clark and the language he uses to describe him are not fit to print here.

In the first couple dozen comments at the Dkos diary there's been a 9/11 truther, some people saying McCain is a traitor and a liar and linking to some totally shady Youtube video, and a few voices of reason saying "it's a fight we can't win, so drop it". even that from the voices of "reason" it's pretty slim pickin's when it comes to reasonable. Rather than "drop it - we can't win" they should be saying "You guys are retarded, go away you are embarrassing".

formerly/nihilist

It will be interesting to see how fast all the Democrats little feet move to get away from this bozo. It is a good thing his mouth is so big, it has to house those two monster feet he keeps inserting!

Clark is a scumbag who I wouldn't allow to run an elevator for me.

Neither, come to think of it, would I allow Oliar who's worthlessness knows no bounds.

re: #62 MacGregor

These are George Soros' surrogates.

From 2006:
Billionaire Soros Gives Financial Boost to General Clark

Hello George!

Soros - he promotes assholes.

AN ASS HAT CALLING A BONA FIDE HERO AN ASS HAT -
WHO'S THE ASS HAT NOW GENERAL ?

Barry couldn't swing the endorsement of Col. Sanders or Capt. Crunch, so he went with General Disgrace.

re: #201 quickrob

In the first couple dozen comments at the Dkos diary there's been a 9/11 truther, some people saying McCain is a traitor and a liar and linking to some totally shady Youtube video, and a few voices of reason saying "it's a fight we can't win, so drop it". even that from the voices of "reason" it's pretty slim pickin's when it comes to reasonable. Rather than "drop it - we can't win" they should be saying "You guys are retarded, go away you are embarrassing".

formerly/nihilist

They may also be retarded because Clark is clearly wrong: McCain showed leadership as an officer and as a P.O.W. -- he's a super hero in my book. Leadership is a quality I look for in a president.

Obama did the right thing by rejecting Clark's statement.

Going forward, please refer to BO as the fine, young Irish lad, Barry Obama. I stole it off a blog but can't remember which. When one references BO in that manner, it gives everyone significant pause since we're so indoctrinated these days in avoiding ethnic controversy at all costs, including addressing the truth.

re: #138 Russkilitlover

BHO has really been scraping the barrel for some military street-cred and through associations of either nefarious or incompetent failures demonstrates, yet again, his absolute lack of judgement.

When your in the bottom of the barrel yourself Wesly Clark is all you can get.

Clark is a modern McClellan.

Lincoln fired him, then beat him.

McCain will only be able to do both to Clark by proxy.

Beating Barry in November and then sending his little tin General back to quiet non-entityhood.

Clark is unfit to clean McCain's latrine.

re: #204 FrogMarch

Obama is Soros' surrogate. Soros is driving the bus.

It's a well-worn strategy, create surrogate groups to do the dirty work by proxy. No need to conspire, everybody understands the game (except the credulous leaders of the West, that is).

That's Weasely Clark, Weasely...

McCain is claiming that his experience as a POW is what makes him qualified to Pres?

I thought it was all time in the senate and his political endeavors that he claimed made him qualified.

Huh. Weird.

re: #179 irish rose

Unfortunately, only some will.

The same thing is going on conservative blogs... without naming names I'll tell you that I see this kind of commenting very frequently on at least one blog that I consider to be extremely conservative.

McCain is getting no quarter from disgruntled, disenfranchised (mostly evangelical) far-right-wing RINO screamers who try to discredit McCains' military service because they think that McCain has "dissed" them... lovely people who self-identify as the "conservative base" of the Republican party.

It's a shameful thing to see on republican/conservative blogs, but its' even more shameful when the blog/site owner does nothing. There is usually someone who speaks up on McCains' behalf, but in far too many instances the comments are left to stand even though they're reported.

Some of the commentators actually appear to be anti-military, as they will also attack fellow commentators who have loved ones in the military if they dare to voice even a modicum of support for Mr. McCain.

It's beyond repulsive.

Oh, do you mean FR? LOL
Unfortunately, there are a bunch of freepers who fit what you just described. I'm getting tired of that stuff over there,, in all honesty.

Clark should do some homework... McCain was XO, then CO, of VA-174, not VF-174. The squadron transitioned from fighter to attack in about 1966. In 1987, I re-enlisted for shore duty and left a squadron of 8 aircraft and about 250 people, and I thought shore duty was going to be a breeze. When I checked into VA-174, I learned that my new 'breeze' shore duty outfit was about 800 people and 65 aircraft. It was a Cold War squadron and it was a training outfit. Claiming that VA-174 wasn't a 'wartime' squadron is like attempting to belittle the Blue Angels as a 'non-combat' squadron.