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Israel to Free Child Killer

Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:55:09 am PDT

The rationale for prisoner exchanges like this may be understandable, but it doesn’t make the reality any less nauseating: Israel to Free Prisoners.

One of the prisoners being released to Lebanon is cold-blooded, remorseless child killer Samir Kuntar.

JERUSALEM, June 29 — Israel’s cabinet on Sunday approved a rare prisoner swap with the Shiite militia Hezbollah, agreeing to free a convicted murderer and others in exchange for two Israeli soldiers who are believed to be dead.

The soldiers — Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev — were captured in a 2006 cross-border raid by Hezbollah. The abduction sparked a month-long war in which Israel bombarded Lebanon from the air and Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets into northern Israel. The fighting killed more than 1,000 Lebanese and 159 Israelis.

While Israel has long said it did not know the fate of Goldwasser and Regev, on Sunday the government acknowledged that they had almost certainly died during the raid or shortly thereafter. Nonetheless, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert urged his cabinet to back the deal, saying it “will bring an end to this painful episode — even at the painful price it costs us.”

The cabinet’s approval, 22 to 3, came after a six-hour debate that mirrored a wrenching public discussion over whether such an exchange would invite more attempts to capture Israelis. The soldiers’ families countered that the state had an obligation not to leave its men on the battlefield.

The government prides itself on taking a hard line against groups such as Hezbollah that are considered terrorist organizations. But with military service compulsory in Israel, there is a visceral identification with the plight of missing soldiers and their families. ...

Officials expect the latest deal to be completed within two weeks. By Sunday night, Hezbollah was boasting about the exchange, with one leader calling it “proof that the word of the resistance is the most faithful, strongest and supreme.”

For Hezbollah, the centerpiece is Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese convicted by an Israeli court in a 1979 attack that ended in the deaths of three members of an Israeli family. Kuntar, then 16, shot and killed Danny Haran in front of his 4-year-old daughter, and then smashed her head with his rifle butt. Haran’s wife accidentally smothered their 2-year-old daughter as she attempted to quiet the girl in their hiding space. Two Israeli policeman also were killed.

On Sunday, Smadar Haran Kaiser said she was devastated by Israel’s decision but understood it. “The despicable murderer Kuntar was never my own personal prisoner, but the state’s prisoner,” she said at a news conference. “Even if my soul should be torn, and it is torn, my heart is whole.”

Previously at LGF:
The World Should Know

Also see:
Soccer Dad: This deal keep getting worse and worse
Thoughts On The Prisoner Swap | Israellycool
Elder of Ziyon: Now, we can say that Hezbollah won the war
Israel Matzav: Kuntar to be released?

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:56:07am
2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:56:37am

Important Update:

Two Israeli POWs Murdered In Captivity

Jerusalem - In a dramatic statement issued to the press at midnight Israel time, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert issued a clear statement that two Israeli POWs were executed in captivity by Hezbollah and that they "are no longer alive". In Mr. Olmert's words, "The goal and the assumption according to which we have been acting the whole time was that we are acting to bring back people who are still alive. Today, we know for certain that there is no such chance for this."

Two years ago, Rev. Jesse Jackson, acting as an independent envoy, along with the Red Cross and the UN, all confirmed that Israeli POW's Regev and Goldwasser were alive.

3 Alouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:57:16am

Just wait, Israel will turn loose this fat, healthy baby murderer and get NOTHING.

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:57:35am

Since the Israeli hostages were murdered while in captivity, the child killing scum should be returned the same way.

5 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:58:41am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Since the Israeli hostages were murdered while in captivity, the child killing scum should be returned the same way.

Amen

6 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:58:44am
and then smashed her head with his rifle butt

Ponder, for a moment, the kind of mentality required to do something like this.

Just think about it.

7 Alouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:58:55am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

I can't understand the purpose of a release.

A two-minute head start, however, would be sporting.

Release him stark naked with nothing but a GPS planted in his ass.

8 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:59:09am
On Sunday, Smadar Haran Kaiser said she was devastated by Israel’s decision but understood it. “The despicable murderer Kuntar was never my own personal prisoner, but the state’s prisoner,” she said at a news conference. “Even if my soul should be torn, and it is torn, my heart is whole.”

Grace and dignity.

9 Shug  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:59:52am

He'll kill again.

Fools

10 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:00:10am

Why don't we know for sure if Regev and Goldwasser are still alive?

11 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:00:30am

This seems to happen a lot. Has there ever been a murderer who served the entire sentence in a Israeli jail?

12 gibsonz  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:00:44am

We can only hope there is some back room bargaining going on that explains all this because on the surface it looks like pure insanity.

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:06am
The soldiers’ families countered that the state had an obligation not to leave its men on the battlefield.

The obvious solution: Go and get them. Unleash hell upon the enemy until you get your people back.

14 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:09am

This will serve to encourage more of the same.

15 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:31am
While Israel has long said it did not know the fate of Goldwasser and Regev, on Sunday the government acknowledged that they had almost certainly died during the raid or shortly thereafter. Nonetheless, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert urged his cabinet to back the deal, saying it “will bring an end to this painful episode — even at the painful price it costs us.”

The amount of pain is that Hizbullah will have completed its victory over Israel - a propaganda coup of the first order. Olmert has capitulated - first by not succeeding to achieve any of the objectives of the Hizbullah war, and then by giving in to prisoner swap demands to release the remains of Goldwasser and Regev for a bloody terrorist.

Oh, and we're supposed to believe that Kuntar will not go back to plotting more terror attacks?

16 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:35am

Charles, you should run this post every time somebody starts bellyaching about the poor, oppressed Palestinians, and how cruel Israel is, to try and keep them out.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:36am

re: #10 NoSubmission

Why don't we know for sure if Regev and Goldwasser are still alive?

They're dead. Confirmed by the Israeli government.

18 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:01:50am

What about Gilad Shalit?

19 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:02:16am

Release the prisoners in the same condition as the soldiers you are getting in return.

20 Raydog  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:02:27am

What the hell are they thinking? Someone needs to off that scumbag! Post Haste!

21 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:02:30am

Maybe, I just don't see it. Why would you release a child murderer to recover two bodies?

22 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:02:54am
For Hezbollah, the centerpiece is Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese convicted by an Israeli court in a 1979 attack that ended in the deaths of three members of an Israeli family. Kuntar, then 16,

I wonder why they're so interested in this one despicable creature. Is he the son of someone 'higher-up'..?

The whole thing just makes me sick.

23 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:03:04am

On this grim news, I'm off to lunch.

24 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:03:18am

re: #21 opnion

Maybe, I just don't see it. Why would you release a child murderer to recover two bodies?

Because the Israelis value a proper funeral for the dead.

25 Dianna  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:03:26am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Two years ago, Rev. Jesse Jackson, acting as an independent envoy, along with the Red Cross and the UN, all confirmed that Israeli POW's Regev and Goldwasser were alive.

I'm trying to find something to say that won't get deleted, or at least that I won't ask be deleted.

Let me try:

Why did Jesse Jackson et al say they were alive? Did they ever actually see the men? Or did they just accept assurances from known, murderous liars?

26 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:03:34am

re: #21 opnion

Maybe, I just don't see it. Why would you release a child murderer to recover two bodies?

No, you see it. It is stupid and dangerous.

27 Alouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:03:39am

re: #18 NoSubmission

What about Gilad Shalit?

Death sentence for him. Why bother keeping him alive when he can be traded body part by body part?

28 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:04:16am

re: #22 gop_patriot

I wonder why they're so interested in this one despicable creature. Is he the son of someone 'higher-up'..?

The whole thing just makes me sick.

He is a "hero" to these sick bastards.

29 Dianna  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:04:22am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I am thinking about it.

It's fortunate I haven't eaten, because I couldn't possibly keep anything down.

30 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:04:43am

He didn't "accidentally" kill a child. He didn't aim at a combatant and hit an unseen child. Nor did he aim at random and just happen to kill a child.

No. Instead he deliberately killed a four year old with the butt of a rifle. Four. Years. Old.

If there is greater evil on this planet, I don't want to know what it is.

31 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:04:49am

re: #18 NoSubmission

What about Gilad Shalit?

Still held by Hamas, who's holding out for the release of hundreds of Palestinian terrorists.

No humanitarian gestures either. They want Israel to suffer the consequences of a prisoner release. It's well past time that the world start demanding of the terrorists what they demand of Israel. Of course, in the real world that will never happen because Israel is always treated differently - and must be the one who provides humanitarian gestures and concessions to the oppressed Palestinians despite the Palestinian terrorists' bloodthirstiness.

32 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:04:59am

re: #24 rawmuse

Because the Israelis value a proper funeral for the dead.


That is a reason, but they are not coming back. This guy is a cold blooded killer. I still don't get it. He will kill again.

33 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:05:09am

Reward bad behavior and you get more of the same. It's called conditioning, and this isn't the good kind.

34 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:05:30am

re: #14 rawmuse

This will serve to encourage more of the same.

What you punish, you get less of. What you reward, you get more of.

Every time.

35 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:05:42am

re: #24 rawmuse

Because the Israelis value a proper funeral for the dead.

They should start preparing for more "proper funerals" when this monster is released.

36 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:07:01am

re: #26 VegasRick

No, you see it. It is stupid and dangerous.


That's what I think. The precedent becomes, "we will execute your people in our custody. Then we will trade you the bodies to spring one of our more psycho killers alive."

37 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:07:52am

re: #36 opnion

That's what I think. The precedent becomes, "we will execute your people in our custody. Then we will trade you the bodies to spring one of our more psycho killers alive."

That sounds about right. It's madness.

38 LionFromzion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:07:56am

Olmert and his cabinet of leftist filth ensuring more jewish blood spilt with their vile appeasement policies. Smile Ehud! The world likes to see the Jew gleefully running to their destruction.

39 David Simon  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:08:07am
Haran’s wife accidentally smothered their 2-year-old daughter as she attempted to quiet the girl in their hiding space. Two Israeli policeman also were killed.

On Sunday, Smadar Haran Kaiser said she was devastated by Israel’s decision but understood it. “The despicable murderer Kuntar was never my own personal prisoner, but the state’s prisoner,” she said at a news conference. “Even if my soul should be torn, and it is torn, my heart is whole.”

And my heart aches for you Mrs. Kaiser. I cannot even imagine the suffering you've known.

40 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:08:45am

What do we expect from The Death Cult but more of the same.
They kill their own sisters for not covering up, you think they give 2 shits for anybody else ?
Nothing made on this earth is safe from these fascists.
Not one single thing.

41 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:09:01am

re: #35 VegasRick

They should start preparing for more "proper funerals" when this monster is released.

Or, just one "pauper's funeral" for the monster, and all hell turned loose on the enemy until they get their men back.

For our part, we can unleash hell on the UN enablers.

42 Dianna  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:09:03am

re: #32 opnion

That is a reason, but they are not coming back. This guy is a cold blooded killer. I still don't get it. He will kill again.

It's a conundrum. I cannot think what the Israeli government is trying to accomplish; they cannot make the UN and the left realize that the Palestinians are the bad guys.

43 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:09:05am
44 Windhorse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:09:43am

....all I can say is "wow". (If I said what I am really thinking, I would probably be banned.)

45 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:09:52am

re: #40 SasquatchOnSteroids

What do we expect from The Death Cult but more of the same.
They kill their own sisters for not covering up, you think they give 2 shits for anybody else ?
Nothing made on this earth is safe from these fascists.
Not one single thing.

Not even their own.

46 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:05am

re: #41 victor_yugo

Or, just one "pauper's funeral" for the monster, and all hell turned loose on the enemy until they get their men back.

For our part, we can unleash hell on the UN enablers.

That's what should be done.

47 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:17am

re: #30 Silhouette

He didn't "accidentally" kill a child. He didn't aim at a combatant and hit an unseen child. Nor did he aim at random and just happen to kill a child.

No. Instead he deliberately killed a four year old with the butt of a rifle. Four. Years. Old.

And he was 16 at the time. Imagine what he is like now.

48 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:27am
For Hezbollah, the centerpiece is Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese convicted by an Israeli court in a 1979 attack that ended in the deaths of three members of an Israeli family. Kuntar, then 16, shot and killed Danny Haran in front of his 4-year-old daughter, and then smashed her head with his rifle butt. Haran’s wife accidentally smothered their 2-year-old daughter as she attempted to quiet the girl in their hiding space. Two Israeli policeman also were killed.


Really?

I didn't hear about that until just now.

/THE WEST.

49 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:27am

Unbelievable.

50 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:31am

I hate to say it, but if BO gets elected we better prepare for more of this same type of thing here. That's what comes of dealing with terrorists without preconditions.

51 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:52am

Take Samir up in a helicopter and throw him out over the Mediterranean. Tell the Kuntar family he died of dropsy.

52 Catttt  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:11:09am

All I can say is people like Samir Kuntar are extremely compelling arguments in favor of capital punishment.

53 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:11:32am

re: #43 taxfreekiller

Facts and Truth, are all that prove we are not still Apes or worse.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

by Kirk Krikorian of The Center for Immigration Studies.


[Link: www.cis.org...]

Tax,
It's Mark not Kirk. I know Kirk.

54 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:11:40am

Israel should start executing all the terrorists "with blood on their hands" now.
Then trade bodies for bodies, not live terrorists for bodies.

55 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:12:13am

Does Israel impose the death penalty?

56 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:12:25am
57 CIA Reject  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:12:41am

In a "Perfect World":

1) Release him
2) Follow him with a sniper team
3) Plant rumors that he has been turned
4) Have sniper team eliminate known or suspected hostiles he comes into contact with, but leave him untouched.
5) Let nature take its course - what his "friends" will do to him will be far more appropriate punishment than anything a civilized mind can devise.

58 Shug  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:12:57am

re: #19 Ford_Prefect

Release the prisoners in the same condition as the soldiers you are getting in return.


Tough to do that. even in death the soldiers are still better than this vermin

59 ackomanyuki  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:13:11am

.....rending shirt.............

60 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:13:16am

And I think I need to take a break from the news for a while.
The rest of my comment is deleted.

61 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:13:49am

re: #36 opnion

That's what I think. The precedent becomes, "we will execute your people in our custody. Then we will trade you the bodies to spring one of our more psycho killers alive."

There is no other explanation.

62 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:14:42am

Plant a transponder on him, wait until he gets in the arms of his allies, then, Hellfire missile. Or 500lb JDAM.

63 ackomanyuki  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:14:47am

re: #55 NoSubmission


No...though an exception was made for Eichmann.

64 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:07am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

I can't understand the purpose of a release.

A two-minute head start, however, would be sporting.

I'm not in a sporting mood. Chain him to a post, and then shoot him. It's more mercy than he deserves.

65 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:10am

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

Israel should start executing all the terrorists "with blood on their hands" now.
Then trade bodies for bodies, not live terrorists for bodies.

And consider their funeral swarms "target-rich environments."

The immediate family and a couple close friends (if they have any still alive) might be allowed to bury their dead. Anything more should be considered a meeting of terrorists.

66 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:19am

obambi on FOX right now, I think I'll change the channel.

67 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:22am

re: #63 ackomanyuki

No...though an exception was made for Eichmann.

I hope they gassed him.

68 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:33am

More appeasement to Hizbollah corpse-snatchers. Future abductees will really appreciate this.

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:15:36am
70 Catttt  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:16:10am

re: #55 NoSubmission

Does Israel impose the death penalty?

Only for war crimes, treason, and such.

71 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:16:14am
72 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:17:22am

re: #67 Ford_Prefect

I hope they gassed him.

Hanged.

73 Athos  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:17:30am

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

Releasing living prisoners who will immediately pick up where they left off and work to kill Israeli's in exchange is nothing more but another example of the weakness of the current government. It does not work to end the violence, it perpetuates it.

Any released prisoner shouldn't be breathing. If Hamas / Hizbollah want live prisoners released, then they need to keep their captives alive.

74 bombarafat  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:18:21am

send him back to hizbolah in a body bag

75 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:18:40am

re: #42 Dianna

It's a conundrum. I cannot think what the Israeli government is trying to accomplish; they cannot make the UN and the left realize that the Palestinians are the bad guys.


At the end of the day, it just encourages the terrorists and makes Israel look easy.

76 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:18:45am

There is no rationale. At least from a state point of view and Olmert has said as much.

Speaking during a Kadima faction meeting, Olmert emphasized that the decision stemmed from considerations not limited to the calculated measure of the State's best interests.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

When on security matters, leaders act in ways that are emotional, specifically and admittedly "not in the State's best interest" that State is on the road to destruction.

When we think of the worst traitors, they have given aid and comfort to the enemy. Can anyone say that the Israeli Government doesn't give aid and comfort to its enemies? No once. Often. Nearly every day.

And where the Israeli public allows it, they are complicit. Spent. Just playing out to the inevitable end.

When Islam proclaims that Israel is doomed to destruction, current facts show that - for once- rationality is on their side.

Sad.

77 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:19:41am

OT Jindal just vetoed the legis 120% payraise!

78 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:19:50am

re: #62 rawmuse

Plant a transponder on him, wait until he gets in the arms of his allies, then, Hellfire missile. Or 500lb JDAM.


Sounds like a plan

79 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:20:29am

re: #7 Alouette

Release him stark naked with nothing but a GPS planted in his ass.

Release him stark naked in the middle of an a'a lava field on the island of Hawai'i.re: #66 VegasRick

obambi on FOX right now, I think I'll change the channel.

Good idea. Why start the week on such a bad note?

80 Shug  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:20:52am

Counting the hours until Samir Kuntar has hiw web page at mybarackobama.com

81 Shug  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:21:15am

PIMF

hiw = own

?

82 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:21:24am

Remember, the loathesome ghouls at Hezbollah have the unstinting support of a large part of the world's academic and media elite.

Imagine the outcry if Israelis or Americans savagely desecrated dead bodies, then taunted the survivors with the mutilated remains. It is really worse than that: Imagine the outcry if this were done with official sanction and the gleeful support of the national leadership, as it is with Hezbollah and Hamas.

Yet the global elite react only with excuses for the barbarians and condemnation for their victims.

This tells us more about the modern, media-based left than it does about their clients like Hamas and Hezbollah. They are a demonic force and the true enemy in the present global war.

83 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:21:41am

What Would Machiavelli Do?

What Would Julius Caesar Do?

What Would Theodore Roosevelt Do?

84 Iron Fist  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:21:52am

re: #77 saberry0530,

Excellent! It'll be overridden, but he needed to make the effort.

85 realwest  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #42 Dianna "they cannot make the UN and the left realize that the Palestinians are the bad guys."
That's because the UN and the left see only what they choose to see; the rest is just "noise" to them.
And they are all despicable.

86 opnion  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:02am

See ya Lizards. off to a meeting. Well actually it's a lunch
I'm thinkin, pasta. Slurp!

87 amphibian  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:10am

re: #12 gibsonz

We can only hope there is some back room bargaining going on that explains all this because on the surface it looks like pure insanity.

Olmert hoping that "good news" will make people forget what a useless schmuck he is, so he can hold on to his job a while longer? Ehud Barack was an incompetent clown in the late 90s, and -- even in Israel -- it's taken ten years before anyone would listen to him again (Olmert, as it happens...).

88 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:40am

re: #64 Iron Fist

I'm not in a sporting mood. Chain him to a post, and then shoot him. It's more mercy than he deserves.

"The elders of his city shall send and fetch him there, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Your eye shall not pity him, but you shall put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with you."--Deuteronomy 19:12-13

89 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:41am

On the French shooting, it seems that one soldier was pretending to be a terrorist in a crowd of civilian spectators. The shooter was supposed to fire blanks at the pretend terrorist (and the crowd) but had a magazine with real bullets.

The injured are most from the crowd of civilians, including a three-year old boy. That none were killed is amazing.

90 Syrah  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:47am

This is bad.

It will end up making Israelis even less safe than they already are.

91 Catttt  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:23:49am

re: #77 saberry0530

OT Jindal just vetoed the legis 120% payraise!

Excellent. I have to wonder how the legislature thought they could get away with it, then I remember we are talking about Louisiana. (I actually was acquainted, unfortunately, with some Edwin Edwards people, including Mrs. Edwards, who was crazy as a bed bug, imho, and learned way more than I wanted to about La. politics.)

92 Athos  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:26:30am

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

Excellent point. Abu Ghraib led the front pages of the NY Times for weeks - all to bash the US and the Administration. Yet, the silence over the treatment of prisoners taken by Hamas, Hizbollah, AQ in Iraq and these other terrorist organizations is deafening.

The idiots in the SCOTUS believe that AQ terrorists captured on the battlefield are entitled to habeus corpus rights in US civilian courts, protections far beyond the requirements of the Geneva Convention for illegal enemy alien combatants (who are neither POW's or Civilians) - but the terrorists get a pass when they murder their captives and then hold the remains hostage?!

The moral and ethical bankruptcy of the left is no longer hard to see.

93 zionist08  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:27:16am

What a wonderful people are the Lebanese and the Hizzi freedom fighters, a people who's great hero is. Samir "baby head smasher" Kuntar, a worthy and honorable man beyond a doubt.
Lets just give them more money/stats!

//

Just wait and see, they'll hold huge celebrations for him. If only Olmerd had the balls to add some explosives to the party...

94 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:27:18am

Why hypothisize when we have the actual reaction from other terrorists on this action?

Gaza's Hamas rulers said Monday they would stick to their tough line in talks over a captured Israeli soldier, emboldened by Israel's decision to trade a Lebanese prisoner convicted in a brutal attack for the bodies of two other Israeli servicemen.

This action has doomed Shalit, assuming he was still alive.

95 2senseplain  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:27:53am

re: #90 Syrah
Actually, the Fatah terrorists are already clamoring for the freeing of their Samir Kuntars. Our goverment is so corrupt that I am afraid they will indeed do just that.

96 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:28:54am

Capitulation has consequences:


Hamas on Monday said it was emboldened by Israel's decision to trade Hizbullah terrorist Samir Kuntar for Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev.

Gaza strongman Mahmoud Zahar, speaking to the independent Al-Quds radio station, said Hamas would take advantage of this decision "to release people Israel accused of having blood on their hands like Samir Kuntar. We have to take advantage of this to release our prisoners."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

97 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:29:15am

re: #94 Silhouette

I have a gut feeling that he isn't any longer, sad to say.

98 MAOZ (Middle-Aged Of Zion)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:30:32am

The point has been emphasized by some commenters of the utter despicability [is there such a word?] of Kuntar's murder of a 4-year-old child. Something that was mentioned in Charles' post -- but, I feel, perhaps not sufficiently appreciated by readers -- is the fact that immediately before murdering the girl, Kuntar murdered her father in front of her very eyes: purposely, deliberately; so that the last thing in life this girl would see before her own death was her father's violent death.

There are no words to describe this embodiment of evil, which Olmert intends to set loose.

HaShem yerachem!

99 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:36:06am

re: #94 Silhouette

Why hypothisize when we have the actual reaction from other terrorists on this action?

This action has doomed Shalit, assuming he was still alive.

Alive or dead, Shalit is not the only one doomed.

Israel will eventually pay a price for Shalit that will result in many other Israelis being doomed.

100 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:39:21am

At this point, Olmerde and his entire cabinet should be tried for treason.
Especially if (when?) someone else gets killed by the terrorists they released.
I can only pop in an out of this thread, TOO PISSED OFF AT OLMERDE!

What a party Kadima is, one leader in a coma, the other brain dead.

101 Alouette  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:41:45am

re: #70 Catttt

Only for war crimes, treason, and such.

Mordecai Vanunu was convicted of treason. He served 30 years and now he's loose.

102 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:42:33am

We can only hope that Israel will survive until Netanyahu or someone like him can take charge and take corrective action.

Olmert is essentially complying with the global media double-standard, not realizing that he can no more win them over than he can the Hezbollah savages.

103 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:42:59am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Since the Israeli hostages were murdered while in captivity, the child killing scum should be returned the same way.

First thing I thought when I read this headline. Beyond horrific

104 akak  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:43:36am
8 NoSubmission 6/30/08 9:01:50 am reply quote 0

What about Gilad Shalit?

He's dead. If he's alive, prove it - until such time kill as many jihadis that are using American money & permission to kill jews.

105 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:47:07am

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow

Olmert this, Olmert that.

Blaming Olmert is an excuse.

Where are the mass demonstrations? Where is shutting the country down in protest?

Olmert has said he is proud of this an his other actions.

The Israeli public's silence is consent and agreement.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:47:48am

Covert action along the lines of Operation Gideon is the only appropriate response, Steven Spielberg and other whining hypocrites be damned.

The media cult is the enemy, do not try to appease them.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:49:48am

re: #101 Alouette

Mordecai Vanunu was convicted of treason. He served 30 years and now he's loose.

He'd be useful in a prisoner swap. Him for Pollard.
If he talks, so does Pollard.

108 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:49:51am
The rationale for prisoner exchanges like this may be understandable

What is the rationale? I don't understand it.

There will be a harvest of even more body parts as a result.

109 Catttt  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:52:08am

re: #101 Alouette

Mordecai Vanunu was convicted of treason. He served 30 years and now he's loose.

Well, obviously, they have the option, though.

110 Stratergic Thinking  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:52:46am

You know... I'm starting to feel much less concern and compassion for people that routinely let their enemies go for nothing.

I mean, you get rocketted, lob some bombs in return. But releasing such evil people without infecting them with some infectious and fatal disease, is so utterly stupid one has to wonder if there even is a survival instinct anyplace in their government.

I am stunned this guy is even alive at this point anyway.

why wasn't he killed apprehending him? or at least during at escape.

Somebody's NOT teaching problem solving skills over there at all.

111 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:54:40am

I respect and of course abide by the policy here of not advocating violence, but I honestly believe that people like this dirtbag become fair targets in war, which this is, and I hope he is not forgotten by the Israelis should he ever be any where near a legitimate battle field.

112 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:58:51am

re: #111 tokyobk

I respect and of course abide by the policy here of not advocating violence

I think there's a broad exception for terrorists; no worries.

113 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:01:30am

re: #112 Occasional Reader

I think there's a broad exception for terrorists; no worries.

There must be, I advocate violence against terrorists every day and have yet to be banned.

114 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:03:12am

The pentagon is announcing charges against the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing, now on Fox

115 Thanos  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:07:51am

Great Round up here, this makes me sick as well.

116 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:11:47am

Video: Hizbullah calls deal 'a victory'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

117 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:13:01am

re: #116 Opinionated

Video: Hizbullah calls deal 'a victory'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Unfortunately, for them it is.
Totally sickening.

118 Challenger  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:13:41am

May a Hellfire find them soon or perhaps some workplace accident.

119 gatorbait  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:15:37am

Samir Kuntar should become a Hizbollah spokesman on CNN?

120 bald headed geek  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:21:12am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isn't that a violation of the Geneva Convention that Israel is constantly accused of violating? Hmm, wonder if we'll hear word one from the U.N. Security Council or the Commission on Human Rights about this? How about the Red Cross? Amnesty International? The silence is absolutely deafening...........

BHG

121 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:25:18am

re: #117 yma o hyd

re: #116 Opinionated

Video: Hizbullah calls deal 'a victory'

Unfortunately, for them it is.
Totally sickening.

There really is no other way to look at it.

Unless the f*cker has an implanted tracking device...

122 Seraphym  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:25:59am

re: #6 Occasional Reader

Ponder, for a moment, the kind of mentality required to do something like this.

Just think about it.

I don't want to. I just see red when I do, and I cant get to the range anytime this week to dim the red with some target practice on my long guns. Better to not think about it, just know it happened and wish for this motherf***er to meet a quick end.

Paging Sayeret Duvdevan... Sayeret Duvdevan please come to the prisoner release point for this waste of human life and provide service.

/sorry if this is over-the-top, but such a sickening, disgusting murderer deserves no quarter

123 kenprice  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:39:44am

That sound you hear is Hitler, Himmler and Eichmann cheering! This is suicidal and Israel should make everyone supporting Hisbuallah pay the price. If it means "carpet-bombing" Gaza, so be it. Make the price so high that what few "civilians" live in Gaza will throw the fanatics out. They already hate Israel, so what's the "down-side"?

124 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:39:46am

re: #57 CIA Reject

In a "Perfect World":

1) Release him
2) Follow him with a sniper team
3) Plant rumors that he has been turned
4) Have sniper team eliminate known or suspected hostiles he comes into contact with, but leave him untouched.
5) Let nature take its course - what his "friends" will do to him will be far more appropriate punishment than anything a civilized mind can devise.

I like you.

125 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:42:24am

re: #64 Iron Fist

I'm not in a sporting mood. Chain him to a post, and then shoot him. It's more mercy than he deserves.

The Indians used to tie people spread eagle to a wagonwheel, and then rotate it slowly through the flames of a fire.

I'm definitely not in favor of shooting -- too fast and painless.

126 2senseplain  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:43:01am

re: #110 Stratergic Thinking

Worse, POS was, even with the horrific crime he committed, allowed to marry in prision, have conjugal visits and, irony of ironies, have 2 little girls of his own. Nobody is saying anything about them so I assume that they will quietly be allowed to join him somehow.

127 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:43:05am

I don't usually post comments from other sites, but this one from "Convert from ECUSA" at Free Republic bears repeating:

May the souls of those three Israeli soldiers rest in peace in the Almighty’s Kingdom. May their families be comforted. May there arise a leader in Israel that will repay their deaths sevenfold on the Amalekstinian heathen gutter trash that kidnapped them and murdered them. And may the judgement of the Almighty come upon Olmerde and the rest of his crew that piddled around, let this tragedy happen, and released a low-down murdering SOB who should have long since been introduced to Satan’s iron skillet and 72 virgins that look like Helen Thomas.

128 vanderleun  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:45:43am

Bad moon rising for Israel. Bad moon.

129 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:50:09am

re: #105 Opinionated

Olmert this, Olmert that.

Blaming Olmert is an excuse.

Where are the mass demonstrations? Where is shutting the country down in protest?

Olmert has said he is proud of this an his other actions.

The Israeli public's silence is consent and agreement.


Yes, you are right. We are all too apathetic, and we have too many moonbats. But you should know that when the Israeli government wants to quash civil dissent, it can and does. People are blacklisted, harassed, suddenly have their benefits stopped under false pretexts, or there are "computer mishaps" with their personal information. It is not America over here.

130 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:50:16am

re: #18 NoSubmission

What about Gilad Shalit?

"No-Sub" -

That is why my one and only comment on this thread is "NO COMMENT."

-S-

131 Manker  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:51:52am

Personally,

This is the greatest failure of the Israeli government, ever!

As someone who sat in a bomb shelter for some 30 odd days during that exact war meant to free the (now dead) prisoners, I can say that the Israeli government can go now lower. This was the government that literally abandoned over a million Israeli's in preference to protect Tel-Aviv and not to offend European sensibilities by not using napalm (or whatever is used today that burns) to smoke and burn out Hizb'allah and not launching operation "Change of Direction" properly because it felt everything could be done from the air. This is the same government that has completely abandoned the southern population of Israel to Hamas and daily mortar & kassam attacks again, to protect Tel-Aviv, not to offend European sensibilities, and to ensure Olmert doesn't go to jail if (better stated when) he will fail at that. This is the current government propped up the "Coalition of Losers" people who know that after this Knesset term, THEY WILL NEVER BE ELECTED AGAIN. I thought it was sad that for the first time in Israeli history a government would make it to the end of its term, simply because everyone in the current coalition knows they are losers.

And then this happened. The only way I could ever accept this release is only by two means:

1. He's released to Beirut, in an airplane, without a parachute.

2. He's injected with the strongest carcinogens known to man and exposed to UV light constantly. So that when dies, it will be an incredibly slow and painful one, and he will be incapable of anything, even wiping his ass because the chemotherapy will completely remove all his strength.

The fact is that, for Israel to defeat the evil from the North (and South and East) it will first have to defeat the evil within.

132 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:54:52am

re: #110 Stratergic Thinking

You know... I'm starting to feel much less concern and compassion for people that routinely let their enemies go for nothing.

I mean, you get rocketted, lob some bombs in return. But releasing such evil people without infecting them with some infectious and fatal disease, is so utterly stupid one has to wonder if there even is a survival instinct anyplace in their government.

I am stunned this guy is even alive at this point anyway.

why wasn't he killed apprehending him? or at least during at escape.

Somebody's NOT teaching problem solving skills over there at all.

Yep. It beggars belief.

Kuntar was allowed to marry and father children while in prison, and his wife receives a stipend from the Israeli government because she is the "wife of a prisoner."

Can you imagine?

There is a story in the Talmud about the unmitigated gall of a boy who murders his parents, and then asks the judges to be lenient with him because he is an orphan . . . Apparently our leaders are unlearned in Talmud, or else surely they would see that they are satirizing themselves.

133 Carolyn  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:57:20am

I am sick of "leaders" who lead us into a ditch.

134 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:58:05am

re: #129 American Jewess In Jerusalem

It is not America over here.

Obviously it is also not Poland and China who had the courage for Solidarity and Tienanmen Square.

It is not Ukraine, which went into the streets when an election was being stolen.

Everyone in Israel is prepared to sacrifice anything to fight external enemies but are blind to the fact that the greatest danger today is from the internal enemies.

If Likud and Netanyahu want to justify their existence they should mobilize the public. Nothing less then survival- as hyperbolic as that may sound- is at stake.

135 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 10:58:51am

re: #131 Manker

I can say that the Israeli government can go no lower.

I'll take that bet.

136 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:05:13am

re: #134 Opinionated

Good point.

I think Netanyahu is not who we think he is.

137 alkmyst  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:06:21am

re: #105 Opinionated

Olmert this, Olmert that. Blaming Olmert is an excuse. Where are the mass demonstrations? Where is shutting the country down in protest? Olmert has said he is proud of this an his other actions. The Israeli public's silence is consent and agreement.

We tried that - it was called Amona.

All-Mart (aka OlMerde, VoldOlmert) is quicker to beat down his own people than the terrorists.

Did we even get back Eitan, David, and Ze'ev? We got hosed here!
(Sorry, gallows humor, but life here is impersonating art)

138 TS  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:07:53am

No it is not understandable Charles! Releasing monsters in exchange for deceased soldiers is totally wrong IMO. One thing is for sure, Israel will continue to get dead bodies back while they release hundreds of terrorists only to make more dead bodies.
Israel has done this before.
(btw I understand the families wanting the bodies back for a proper burial, but there is no excuse for the government to make these lop-sided disastrous deals which will result in more dead)

139 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:15:23am

re: #24 rawmuse

Because the Israelis value a proper funeral for the dead.

If I were an Israeli soldier, I think I'd want to have a variant of those Do Not Resuscitate "living wills" -- in this case saying:

"In the event that I am killed in action and my body is in the possession of the enemy, FOR FUCK'S SAKE do not even think about releasing psychopathic murderers in exchange for my earthly remains. Buy a Cabbage Patch Kid that looks like me and bury that if you must, but positively no terrorist-for-corpse swaps on my behalf, okay?"

140 akak  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:18:44am

re: #136 American Jewess In Jerusalem

He does speak closer to my hopes than Livni.

Anyone thinking that Livni will not walk the same line as Sharon/Olmerde just because of what she did in the IDF, is well a sucker.

141 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:21:03am

re: #140 akak

He does speak closer to my hopes than Livni.

Anyone thinking that Livni will not walk the same line as Sharon/Olmerde just because of what she did in the IDF, is well a sucker.

There's one born every minute ... and it seems to be obligatory if working in the MSM ...

142 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:22:35am

re: #139 Throbert McGee

If I were an Israeli soldier, I think I'd want to have a variant of those Do Not Resuscitate "living wills" -- in this case saying:

"In the event that I am killed in action and my body is in the possession of the enemy, FOR FUCK'S SAKE do not even think about releasing psychopathic murderers in exchange for my earthly remains.

A group of soldiers signed just that request a few weeks ago. If I'm not mistaken, they even wrote that they do not want to even be exchanged alive for terrorists who have murdered.

143 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:24:29am

re: #137 alkmyst

We tried that - it was called Amona.

All-Mart (aka OlMerde, VoldOlmert) is quicker to beat down his own people than the terrorists.

Did we even get back Eitan, David, and Ze'ev? We got hosed here!
(Sorry, gallows humor, but life here is impersonating art)

Amona, yes. That was brutal. They really beat people up pretty badly, including teenage girls.

144 yochanan  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:25:45am

the prime minister of CHELM.

i support the idea of a Israel doesn't mean i have to support its political leaders when they are off the wall.

145 eaglewingz08  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:25:54am

McGee have to agree with you one hundred percent. While it may on RARE occasions be tolerable (never good or acceptable or best) practice to negotiate a prisoner trade, releasing unrepentent bloody murderers is never acceptable to obtain dead bodies of soldiers. It just ramps up the other side and has no restraining effect on them and it demoralizes one's own side as well.

146 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #136 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Good point.

I think Netanyahu is not who we think he is.

The Wye River King?

History is replete with the fact that at the worst time for successful civilizations a leader for that time and place arose to guide the correct way.

Maybe Israel will fall because there is no such obviosu person available today.

147 yochanan  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:27:47am

re: #131 Manker


AMEN

148 kuchuklambat  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:28:34am

No, I don't get the families of Goldwasser and Regev. My heart goes out to them for losing these young men, but if my sons' bodies were in Hezbollah's possession, I would be in every press conference speaking against such an exchange and rather in favor taking Kuntar and his buddies in Israeli jails and doing nasty enough things to them to make the Hez think twice about taking hostages next time.
This exchange only encourages the time-honored islamic practice of hostage taking, dead and alive (taking dead bodies hostages was already in full practice in jihad against Byzantine provinces).
re: #30 Silhouette


If there is greater evil on this planet, I don't want to know what it is.


I am afraid, Silhouette, you know already. It is the apologists and enablers, it is the western politicians who see all that we see and, taking care of their careers and pockets, promote and defend the Little Jihad against Israel and the big ol' Jihad against the rest of us kaffirs.
Israelis can and should tell the true story of their plight, but they increasingly can't even tell it to themselves, let alone tell it to the world in the face of lies against it.

149 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:29:34am
150 yochanan  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:30:46am

IF THIS WAS FOR LIVE PEOPLE I COULD SUPPORT IT
but if they are dead it makes no sense.

151 dhg4  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:31:21am

re: #139 Throbert McGee

If I were an Israeli soldier, I think I'd want to have a variant of those Do Not Resuscitate "living wills" -- in this case saying:

A group of soldiers recently issued such a proclamation:

Dozens of soldiers and officers from a reserve IDF infantry brigade have written a letter to the chief of the general staff, asking that he prevent Israel from freeing hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for their release in the event that they are captured by the enemy, Channel 2 reported Tuesday.
152 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:36:00am
153 akak  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:43:47am

re: #151 dhg4

I agree. -just send in the predators and have at it.

154 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:52:13am

re: #112 Occasional Reader

I think there's a broad exception for terrorists; no worries.

My understanding of it is that you could advocate violence against armed enemies, obviously, but not against Americans or citizens of other lawfully ruled countries.
An exception in the latter case would be those who are actively and violently aiding the enemy and who cannot be readily be apprehended.
It is ok, then, to suggest putting a Hellfire through Adam Gadahn's skull (assuming this hasn't happened yet) but not a spread of torpedoes into some lefty academic's favorite yacht.

155 alkmyst  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:53:49am

re: #143 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Point really being, public demonstrations and civil disobedience do little good when noone cares about civil rights...

To get back to Opinionated's post on it, the only thing that would make a difference is not public outcry - it would take much more violent overthrow than people are ready for.

We're waiting for the next elections, which should be any minute now...

156 guftafs  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:56:16am

The Israelis have lost the will to fight for survival. Their government is sending the message "Please stop hitting us, let's be friends" to an enemy that takes savage pleasure in killing Israelis for the sake of killing Israelis. Let's hope there's enough will left to live among the Israeli people to have them send Olmert &co packing, because on this course a lot of Israelis will die.

157 Opinionated  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 12:02:21pm

Olmert's cease fire update.

Kassam rocket lands in western Negev

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

158 leboaz  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 12:14:32pm

Very sad news.

159 Orbit Rain  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 12:18:46pm

"There are no words to describe this embodiment of evil, which Olmert intends to set loose."

“Even if my soul should be torn, and it is torn, my heart is whole.”

This, in it's way, is ultimately the solution...I don't think I have the words/verbiage to/for it atm...

regardless...pretty fucked up...I would use *these* guys as a rallying cry to show the rest of the world...yet so many of these fuckers here and there see this detestable hatred as a convenient cover for other/their bullshit.

160 rorschach  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 12:45:16pm

Hmmm... Trading proven murderers for two dead bodies. Brilliant!


If only Olmert could be one of the future victims that are sure to result.

161 BIGDUKE 6  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 12:58:57pm

re: #9 Shug

Not Fools, But above all else MORAL People

162 BIGDUKE 6  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:05:28pm

re: #150 yochanan

IF THIS WAS FOR LIVE PEOPLE I COULD SUPPORT IT
but if they are dead it makes no sense.

It makes no sense to you. But I think the families of those two kidnapped soldiers should have been the ones to make the decision of exchange or not. The saddest part is this animal they're releasing is a cult hero to terrorists.
I think a more important issue is should this killer have suffered the death penalty for his actions ? If he had been executed all those years ago he would not be free today.

163 BIGDUKE 6  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:08:48pm

re: #138 TS

The excuse, as you put it , is that Israel is a civilized nation amongst a sea of well, savage killers.

164 BIGDUKE 6  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:10:21pm

re: #35 VegasRick

They should start preparing for more "proper funerals" when this monster is released.

Perhaps this killer should prepare for a hellfire missile up his ass the first time he sits down at an outdoor cafe.

165 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:19:23pm

Ms. Kaiser is a woman who has endured as much as any human can face.

God bless her and give her grace and strength through the end of her days.

"...And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

166 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:21:27pm

Ms. Kaiser is a woman who has endured as much as any human can face.

God bless her and give her grace and strength through the end of her days.

"...And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

167 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:25:23pm

I'm sorry, but why any Jew should want to stay in Israel while their leaders are selling them out is beyond my comprehension.

Israelis: Take to the streets, and RUN OLMERT OUT ON A RAIL!

168 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:43:20pm

Now we know who the real "sharp" traders are
/ needed

169 Angus Day  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 1:51:26pm

You know it would be terrible, really terrible, given the way conspiracy theories and the like rage around the mawzlem world, if somehow the idea were to become current that these prisoners being released by Israel, were being released because they had been implanted with tracking devices, or viruses, or something.


I mean, think what might happen to them if that happened...

170 Lauraf  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 2:38:56pm

Had Israel agreed to this a little over 2 years ago, about 160 Israelis who were killed as the IDF followed the orders of a blind and moorless Olmert would now be alive. I just don't understand the point here, except to telegraph to Hezbollah that more of the same will get them what they ask for, and to Hamas that even a dead Shalit will get them prisoners released. This is wrong, wrong, wrong.

171 exdamyankee  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 2:53:51pm

Israel should release the murdering bastards, but before they let them go implant/inject them with a time release capsule that releases it's payload after the exchange is made.

Then tell the Arabs that this is how we negotiate with terrorists.

Life imitates art--I think this was part of the plot from an old Frederick Forsythe novel...

172 exdamyankee  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 2:55:46pm

Oops, I neglected to say (maybe 'cause it was obvious) that the "payload" would kill the shitstain dead instantly.

173 Age Of Freedom  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 3:02:18pm

Hizballah calls this release a "victory" while bringing over 1,500 killed lebanese, excessive destruction throughout Lebanon & Beirut and more severely torn up country than ever before - for a few prisoners.

There you have it folks, classic Arabic logic.

That said, I hope Israel can use its IAF capabilities to sentence these barbaric murderers when they meet with Nasrallah.

174 So?  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 3:17:17pm

Is it a religious thing? The two Israelis are dead. Dead! Why release a bunch of murderous scum whose only mission is to kill more Jews. If the soldiers were alive, then ok. I like Kragar's #4 suggestion best.

I feel for the families, but they should also see the consequences of this action.

175 yehoshua  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 4:09:08pm

re: #174 So?

Well said and thank you.

176 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 4:44:02pm

re: #83 The Other Les

What Would Machiavelli Do?

What Would Julius Caesar Do?

What Would Theodore Roosevelt Do?

"T-O-L" -

In this particular case - What Would STALIN Do?

-S-

177 6pat6  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 4:54:58pm

Hand Kuntar back to Hamas dead. Preferably shot many times and a large imprint of a rifle butt in his head. That sounds fair to me.

178 Sco  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 7:53:23pm

Just a horrible and pathetic decision by Olmert.
What is wrong with this guy ?
Another amoral politician.

179 88keyman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:28:56pm

Even if the Israelis were planning to track and kill this scumbag after they release him, there would be no excuse for even the appearance of releasing terrorists in trade. While the families of the missing Israeli soldiers deserve sympathy, they deserve no more than the families of the future victims of Hezbollah, certain to engage in future kidnappings, or for the family of the victims of this vicious terrorist.

Ralph Peters, on Hugh Hewitt's show, proposed a solution to problems like this and to leftist advocacy for Gitmo terrorists: Don't capture any terrorists. When you see them, kill them. Terrorists have no rights of surrender or any other rights. By choice, they are not human. Find 'em and kill 'em.

180 sultan_knish  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:30:02pm

re: #178 Sco

Just a horrible and pathetic decision by Olmert.
What is wrong with this guy ?
Another amoral politician.

his wife is a member of Peace Now and Women in Black, which is the Israeli equivalent of Code Pink

enough said

181 Areopagitica  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:31:08pm

I don;t get this. Kuntar is a criminal who committed the equivalent of first degree murder and if he did what he did in the U.S., he would be on death row.

Why is Olmert the dumbass releasing him in exchange for the bodies of two murder victims? Kuntar is going to be given a million man parade in Beiruit. Why would Israel allow Hezbollah to achieve such a propoganda coup? Plus the guy is just going to kill and teach others to kill.

They held a father hostage and shot him in front of his children and crushed the skull of a small child in a premeditated act.

The guy should be hung, not released. I hope the Israelis get all riled up and call for a referendum on Olmert the Craven.

182 Hanoch  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:07:10pm

re: #161 BIGDUKE 6

While I respect your sentiments, I have to disagree. The Israeli leadership are utter fools and morally bankrupt (for more reasons than just the issue at hand). While one can be sympathetic with the families of the deceased soldiers, it is not moral to take actions that will undoubtedly encourage further attacks upon, and cause the deaths of, more Israelis. Furthermore, it will send a signal that, rather than keeping them alive, Israeli prisoners can be slaughtered and their bodies used as effective bargaining chips.

183 Tanga  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:10:23pm

I don't see any moral difference between this guy and the ones firing rockets at residential areas. Yes, I can see that smashing a child's skull personally takes a stronger stomach than merely pressing a button, but the people firing missiles are trying to achieve the same result.

Incidentally, Kuntar? If it were the name of a fictional terrorist people would think you were making some sort of racist joke. "Kuntar, Bastid, and Al-Jerrk starring in 216 Virgins".

184 Macker  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:20:07pm

re: #163 BIGDUKE 6

The excuse, as you put it , is that Israel is a civilized nation amongst a sea of well, savage killers [bigoted word]s.

There, fixed that for ya!

185 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:31:34pm

Charles, thank you for posting this thread. It's been cathartic.

re: #181 Areopagitica

Israelis are not going to get riled up about this decision. They overwhelmingly want to trade this POS for these dead bodies. The reasons are complicated and IMO tragic but that's how it is. Before this horrific situation can be remedied there's going to have to be a sea change in this attitude. It's not a good choice. Most of the rest of the world is blind to the ridiculously high premium that Israel puts on each and every single life, even those of her enemies. Ironically, those enemies are the only ones who get it, and they constantly exploit it. Shamelessly. Obscenely. Would it be a good thing if Israel lowered its standards? No. Yes. I just don't know any more.

186 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 5:55:03am

Caroline Glick is correct that this foolish exchange "will cement Iran's control of Lebanon through Hizbullah [and] also all but guarantees that any future Israeli soldiers taken hostage by Hizbullah will be killed on the spot."

Even if there is a rational for it, Israel is wrong to do it.

But don't take Caroline Glick's word for it.

Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar, explained:

Something important has happened, and there's no ignoring the fact that [the cabinet decision] is a major development. Israel has agreed to release prisoners who it says have blood on their hands. We must therefore seize the opportunity and seek the release of our prisoners. There should be no difference between the case of Schalit and the case of Kuntar [an about-to-be-released Hizbollah terrorist]

Hamas will toughen its stance in the negotiations for the release of the kidnapped soldier St.-Sgt. Gilad Schalit. And what incentive do they have to keep him alive now?

187 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 8:06:19am

"rational" should have been "rationale" (PIMF)

188 insomniac  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 9:07:30am

Charles,

This is the updated link to the article written by Smadar Haran Kaiser, the mother of the child murdered by Samir Kuntar The World Should Know What He Did to My Family

Samir Kuntar murdered the child's father in front of her so it would be the last sight she would see, then he smashed her head against a rock with the butt of his rifle.

That murderous attack by the PLF took place at Nahariya, and was undertaken to protest the the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty in 1978. And Smadar Haran rightly questioned "the character of a man who protests an act of peace by committing an act of slaughter." This is the man that Hizbullah wants released. They have no shame.

A few other points I would like to add:

1) On page 456 of the book, Israel's Secret Wars: A History of Israel's Intelligence Services The PLF, which is affiliated to Yasser Arafat's PLO, commemorated the Nahariya murders with the 'publication of a glossy brochure.'

On May 20 1985, Israel released 1150 prisoners for three Israeli soldiers held by Ahmad Jibril's PFLP-GC. One of the prisoners released took part in the Nahariya murders.

2) the PLF's "documentation committee" referred to the capture of the child and her father as having captured two Zionists

189 mcclain  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 10:38:42pm

the day the state of israel definitely lost its soul


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