and those that are able are unwilling

This is a surprise?

An EDUCATED Imam would be an oxymoron.

So what are they going to do about it?

Now that is a surprise. Of course to be an Imam you have to be uneducated in the first place. Else you would go crazy.

How educated do you have to be to say "Kill all the Jews"?

Not too surprising, ignorance and Islam is a natural.......

The study also discovered that only one fifth of imam’s possess academic qualifications.

The same country that doesn't want it's citizens to homeschool, is inviting illiterate muslim leaders to teach it's illiterate muslim immigrants about religion, society, and integrating.

Stupid, stupid.

Huh. The article assumes that muslims in Germany actually want to be integrated. That's a pretty big @$$ assumption!

German employment agency: and what are you qualified to do Herr Ach Medd

I can bang my head on floor carpeting and pray to Allah 5 times a day 7 days a week.

Do you have any education?

I just told you.

re: #8 gop_patriot

Excellent point

Why in the world would the Imams feel they need academic (ie. Western) credentials? They are not there to learn anything about the "host" country. They are only there to parasitize the host until it's bled dry. Then they'll have a base from which to move forward.
Arab/Bedouin Imperialism.

What are the requirements of an imam?

this is not unique to Germany.

"Sheik" Yassin was a high school drop out.

That's how most get into the racket. Everywhere.

Hell, at least they weren't "educated" at Berkeley. With the L³eft so in control of higher education, I'm not sure that a degree would help any.

It'd just change the vocabulary of their anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.

The stupid leading the blind- sounds like a recipe for success!

Callous size must figure into the equation.
Not good.

re: #16 Sharmuta

The stupid leading the blind- sounds like a recipe for success!

or in the case of Omar Bakri it's the blind leading the stupid

Don't most Christian ordinations carry the equivalent of a Master's degree in education?

Maybe they could start requiring candidate imams to demonstrate (not merely claim) the same level.

re: #10 BingoBunny

German employment agency: and what are you qualified to do Herr Ach Medd

I can bang my head on floor carpeting and pray to Allah 5 times a day 7 days a week.

Do you have any education?

I just told you.

What are your technical qualifications?

I use a buzzing prayer rug.

The Imams all have masters in baiting.....

These imams are not uneducated. They are differently educated. /

They see the only education necessary as a religious one. Everything else is unimportant.

re: #13 MandyManners

What are the requirements of an imam?

An ethical lobotomy.

This is OT, but is anyone else listening to BHO's speech?
He has talked a lot about his "typical white" grandparents.
Political expediency anyone?

re: #21 taxfreekiller

No, No, No,

these e-moms are the proof that ID is real.....!

Proof of HD: Humorous Design.

(insert Nelson Muntz' "Ha ha!" here)

re: #22 maddogg

The Imams all have masters in baiting.....

For a second there these old eyes read the as "masters in bathing..."

NOT!

re: #22 maddogg

The Imams all have masters in baiting.....

Jew-baiting.

re: #28 CIA Reject

For a second there these old eyes read the as "masters in bathing..."

NOT!

The joke is they are masterbaiters....

People, "education" for them is memorization.

re: #19 victor_yugo

The Church has an organization that provides ordination and credentialing. The same can't be said in Islam, where anyone can come off the street and claim to be a religious leader.

Good thing Muslims were recently voted the top 10 intellects in the world to make up for this imbalance.

re: #30 maddogg

The joke is they are masterbaiters....

LOL!

re: #19 victor_yugo

Don't most Christian ordinations carry the equivalent of a Master's degree in education?

Maybe they could start requiring candidate imams to demonstrate (not merely claim) the same level.

In the future there will fewer but better Imams.

/Stalin

*Ahem*

Tom Kratman's Caliphate.

Read it (much of the content relevant to this topic).

A study on Islamic preachers in Germany has found that most imams are unable to help Muslim immigrants integrate into mainstream German society because they are insufficiently prepared for their stay in Germany.

I think the preparedness of the imams has little to do with it.

It has more to do with the fact the muslims don't WANT to integrate.

re: #23 lawhawk

These imams are not uneducated. They are differently educated.

Jees, that sounds exactly like something you'd here from the left.
Kids don't fail, they have deferred success.

re: #25 Carolyn Yeah, but that's because ONLY Obama is allowed to bring the issue of Race into the presidential elections.

From the viewpoint of the other imams, they're probably fully qualified if they can recite the Koran in Arabic.

And actually helping Muslims integrate into Western society would make them kuffirs. Muslims aren't supposed to adapt themselves to any society that isn't run by sharia; those societies are supposed to adapt to their Muslim overlords.

Not if we have anything to do with it.

re: #36 Seraphym

Tom would be mad at me if I read that before I read up on the Battle of Vicksburg like he told me to.

re: #33 JammieWearingFool

Good thing Muslims were recently voted the top 10 intellects in the world to make up for this imbalance.

the Iranian human rights lawyer Shirin Ebadi, in 10th.

Wow, My mind is overloading on that sentence.

re: #37 Sharmuta

I think the preparedness of the imams has little to do with it.

It has more to do with the fact the muslims don't WANT to integrate.

Of course the muslims want integration....they want the rest of Germany to integrate to their faith and way of life.

Is anyone surprised by this revelation?

We don't need no stinkin' edumacation.
We've got the Quran!
/imams

'in heaven everything is fine!'

OT: Wes Clark just got thrown under the bus!

re: #48 VegasRick

OT: Wes Clark just got thrown under the bus!

Can we have it back up and runover him a few times?

re: #48 VegasRick

OT: Wes Clark just got thrown under the bus!

Thump, bump the wheels on the bus......

re: #48 VegasRick
Well that's not unexpected nor undeserved, but do you have a link or more of a story on that?!

Imams Uneducated Fundamentalists

Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

re: #33 JammieWearingFool

Hahaha! In their fevered dreams!

re: #50 jcm

Thump, bump the wheels on the bus......

That'll leave a mark...

re: #32 lawhawk

The Church has an organization that provides ordination and credentialing. The same can't be said in Islam, where anyone can come off the street and claim to be a religious leader.

Is the Church still sanctioned by the state in Germany? Or have they gone totally secular?

/remembering Scientology to be illegal there

re: #49 Athos

Can we have it back up and runover him a few times?

"Driving Over Miss Daisy"

re: #48 VegasRick

OBAMA TO CONTRADICT CLARK IN SPEECH
Heh.

re: #44 Athos

That's not integration- it's devolution.

re: #33 JammieWearingFool

Good thing Muslims were recently voted the top 10 intellects in the world to make up for this imbalance.

Obviously another reliable online poll. If that were an accurate assessment, the world would be even more FUBAR than I think it is, and all evidence says it's pretty damn FUBAR.

Is this an example of "karma"? The Germans weren't exactly choir boys in the past 100 years and now they have this storm brewing within their own borders.

re: #46 jcm

We don't need no stinkin' edumacation.
We've got the Quran!
/imams

Well- it does contain all knowledge....

re: #48 VegasRick
Not to be repetitive here, but as I asked in my#51,
do you have more of the story or a link, PLEASE?

re: #51 realwest

Well that's not unexpected nor undeserved, but do you have a link or more of a story on that?!

obambi's speech, you will hear about it shortly. He was talking about McCain's service and how "NO ONE should dismiss McCains service to his country".

re: #48 VegasRick

OT: Wes Clark just got thrown under the bus!

Is Barry behind the wheel again?

re: #58 Sharmuta

Yes, that is how it really is, and how we see it.

But that is not how they see it.

re: #57 Killgore Trout

OBAMA TO CONTRADICT CLARK IN SPEECH
Heh.

That is exactly what he did!

Most German Saudi, Palestinian,Egyptian, etc. Imams Uneducated Fundamentalists

Mohammed Atta was radicalized in Germany.

Wesley Clark as road kill, what a lovely mental image...

re: #63 VegasRick

obambi's speech, you will hear about it shortly. He was talking about McCain's service and how "NO ONE should dismiss McCains service to his country".

Real. see #57.

O/T, but Rush is shredding that asshole POS Wesley Clark to pieces...

re: #57 Killgore Trout
Hi Killgore - did you read the comments to that linked story?
I swear the Obama fans are batshit stupid.

I also wonder how the hell "donna" got away with that comment of hers!

re: #60 redheadredstate

No- it's an example of history repeating itself. islam has tried to conquer europe countless times- this is the latest incarnation.

re: #68 NoSubmission

Mohammed Atta was radicalized in Germany.

Yeah - but not by German Imams ...

Any info about the imams preaching in mosques in the USA?

re: #31 Ben Hur

People, "education" for them is memorization.

According to Ceylan, the religious groups running mosques in Germany were mainly interested in their preachers correctly reciting the Koran. "An examination of the content of the holy book," he said was "not the primary goal."

Spot on.

re: #70 VegasRick
Got it, thank for breaking the story!

re: #71 Bob in Breckenridge

O/T, but Rush is shredding that asshole POS Wesley Clark to pieces...

Good-oh!
Well deserved, if ye ask me!

Are the German imams any different from the imams anywhere else in the world? 80% of American mosques are built by Saudi money, and have extremist Wahabist imams. The Saudis constitute about 1-2% of the world's Muslims, but they provide the money for 90% of Islam's expenses.

When the most backwards, hateful 1-2% have successfully leveraged control of the world's largest religion, the problem isn't likely to be limited to one country.

re: #72 realwest

I swear the Obama fans are batshit stupid.

That pretty much sums it up.

re: #60 redheadredstate

Is this an example of "karma"? The Germans weren't exactly choir boys in the past 100 years and now they have this storm brewing within their own borders.

Maybe Muslims want to go to Germany because they feel they'll meet like-minded (Jew-hating) people there.

Like the German government officials who said nothing at a conference they sponsored, while Arab after Arab bashed Israel.
Berlin forum calls for Israel's destruction

re: #64 ec marm

Is Barry behind the wheel again?

Thanks, hadn't seen that one.

That bus sure gets more and more splattered with dems underneath as each day passes.

This ain't Einstein's Germany anymore, that's for sure. re: #68 NoSubmission

Mohammed Atta was radicalized in Germany.

This ain't Einstein's Germany anymore, that's for sure. This ain't Einstein's Germany anymore, that's for sure.

* * *
Atta was from Egypt, which thinks Mugabe is just great.

re: #76 realwest

Got it, thank for breaking the story!

You are welcome. Actually, Charles called it a couple of threads back-just a matter of time.

Are the Imams German?

re: #66 VegasRick

That is exactly what he did!

Taht was fast! Is this a new time record for BO?

re: #79 taxfreekiller

The Wes Clark thing was a set up to make O'ccult look good by defending McCain.

trick pony show

You hit the nail on the head!

Wes Clark didn't even believe it when he said it, but it's the price he had to pay as he lobbies for SecDef.

re: #86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Taht was fast! Is this a new time record for BO?

He is getting more and more experience with it.

bbl

Rush just said obama did not denounce clarke but the msm is just making it out like he did.

re: #81 Kosh's Shadow

Representatives from Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia also attended the conference and voiced brazen anti-Israeli statements.

The conference was a source of great embarrassment for the German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, whose ministry served as one of its main sponsors

Yeah, they invite Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabis to a conference on "Middle East problems", and are stunned that it turns into a Judenhassfest. Man, who saw that one coming?!

re: #33 JammieWearingFool

Prospect's editor, David Goohart, admitted to not having previously heard of Gülen and said his supporters had "made a mockery" of the poll.

Idiotic premise, uncontrolled data gathering, rinky-dink format, yup, sounds like a news worthy story to me! What is with reporters today?

re: #90 newsjunkie_ky

Rush just said obama did not denounce clarke but the msm is just making it out like he did.

We just don't get the nuance of BO's speech, perhaps. Which is why the MSM needs to explain it to us.

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Yeah, they invite Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabis to a conference on "Middle East problems", and are stunned that it turns into a Judenhassfest. Man, who saw that one coming?!

Not me! I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!

/

The uneducated Imams leading the blind uneducated fundamentalist...sounds like a cocktail for disaster!

K surprise.

So their Koran bangers and our Bible bangers have that one thing in common.

Well I am sure glad that Fred Felps has not put his nuts in Suicide Vests yet.

re: #95 jorline

Is that a Molotov cocktail?

re: #86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Taht was fast! Is this a new time record for BO?

BHO has graduated cum laude from the Clinton school of throw one of your team out there to lob shit against the wall, if it sticks, you're home free, if it doesn't, you quickly denounce said team member.

re: #95 jorline

The uneducated Imams leading the blind uneducated fundamentalist...sounds like a cocktail for disaster!

Burp.

re: #73 Sharmuta

No- it's an example of history repeating itself. islam has tried to conquer europe countless times- this is the latest incarnation.

* * *
Tell me about it! Visiting Hamburg, Germany (actually a cute small village south of the Elbe river full of cherry orchards & canals like Holland) I was the only non-Turk aboard a bus full of tabacco smoking Turks & women in scarves.

Germans have stopped having children and are forfeiting their country. This region known as "Das Altes Land" was the land of Buxtehude & Bach--now burqas and Turks & mosques.

Sorry for the repost, but this is the type of Englishman that I admire.

This is OT, but funny..I had to share.

They're called editors for a reason...

This is what a description of a headline said on FNC.com

Bill Clinton reportedly tells friends Obama is going to have to 'kiss my a--' for his backing; two reportedly set to meet

Funny!

A real faith wouldn't be afraid to educate its leaders about the other religions of the world. At the very least, they would do well to educate themselves about the country they live in --even if it was their intent to destroy it.

Not only are they missing the Peace part of the religion, they're missing the Education part too. I don't understand how a religion with so many gaps in it could have survived this long.

re: #93 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's true. We, the voters, are not intelligent enough to understand the brilliance of the obamassiah.
/msm

bbl

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Yeah, they invite Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabis to a conference on "Middle East problems", and are stunned that it turns into a Judenhassfest. Man, who saw that one coming?!

* * *
Regular Einsteins, they are not.
Das ist nicht Einstein's old country.

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Yeah, they invite Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabis to a conference on "Middle East problems", and are stunned that it turns into a Judenhassfest. Man, who saw that one coming?!

Apparently not the Germans. For all their storied "efficiency," seems like the German nation doesn't have a lot of questioning ability, either historically or today.

A disturbingly high percentage of the Islamic preachers in mosques and Islamic centers across Germany are uneducated Dark Ages fanatics.

This comparison is insulting to the Dark ages

re: #104 blangwort

A real faith wouldn't be afraid to educate its leaders about the other religions of the world. At the very least, they would do well to educate themselves about the country they live in --even if it was their intent to destroy it.

Not only are they missing the Peace part of the religion, they're missing the Education part too. I don't understand how a religion with so many gaps in it could have survived this long.

Stan has sustained it. It is one of his most useful tools in this world.

Rush had this classic line-

"I don't even know that he (Obama) has met with any of our armed forces, unless you mean William Ayers"

Ba-Da Bing!

re: #109 Shug

Shug, Jr. is adorable, BTW.

re: #108 Russkilitlover

Apparently not the Germans. For all their storied "efficiency," seems like the German nation doesn't have a lot of questioning ability, either historically or today.

True - and those who do possess this ability are defamed, mocked, and more often than not emigrate ...

re: #98 Russkilitlover

BHO has graduated cum laude from the Clinton school of throw one of your team out there to lob shit against the wall, if it sticks, you're home free, if it doesn't, you quickly denounce said team member.

True but during a campaign, it's not either/or.

Clark was talking to the left wing fringe, who believe his comments are true. BHO gets to talk to the middle, and it makes him look "moderate" like them. For BHO it's a win/win.

The only way to counter this tactic is to tie BHO together with the original comment. Then, you will get the rants that "guilt by assocaiation" is unfair and unamerican.

alegrias & Russkilt: I guess they were expecting the delegates to do a four-part harmony rendition of "Ebony & Ivory", before adjourning to do volunteer painting parties at local synagogues. Something like that.

re: #90 newsjunkie_ky
Well if you look at Killgore Trout's link in #57, it sure sounded to me as if Obama threw Clark under the bus!

re: #41 Kosh's Shadow

... actually helping Muslims integrate into Western society would make them kuffirs. Muslims aren't supposed to adapt themselves to any society that isn't run by sharia; those societies are supposed to adapt to their Muslim overlords....

Imams preaching integration would run counter to the plan of "The Project" (the bottom of the article has a direct link to the full text).

I would have a hard time believing that, as integrated into foreign Islamist movements as they are, the Muslim Brotherhood are not involved in influencing the preaching of these German Islamic fundies.

re: #98 Russkilitlover,

Obama's loyalty to his people is, in a word, amazing. Wonder where he keeps finding them?

re: #109 Shug
Shug Jr. is so handsome and quite brilliant to see through the obamassiah (from earlier thread).
How is Mrs. Shug?

re: #87 Deafdog

It didn't work, then, because Obama didn't condemn what Clark said.

Proxy attacks only work if you can somehow dodge the backblast. Obama's clumsy.

re: #104 blangwort

A real faith wouldn't be afraid to educate its leaders about the other religions of the world. At the very least, they would do well to educate themselves about the country they live in --even if it was their intent to destroy it.

Not only are they missing the Peace part of the religion, they're missing the Education part too. I don't understand how a religion with so many gaps in it could have survived this long.

* * *
It's an expanionist totalitarian ideology spread by the SWORD, that's how it has "survived" so long. Like Mugabe's "leadership", not because it's great, but because it is violent.

re: #116 realwest

Well if you look at Killgore Trout's link in #57, it sure sounded to me as if Obama threw Clark under the bus!

Perhaps it was a mock-throw? Like, taqqiya?

re: #81 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe Muslims want to go to Germany because they feel they'll meet like-minded (Jew-hating) people there.

Like the German government officials who said nothing at a conference they sponsored, while Arab after Arab bashed Israel.
Berlin forum calls for Israel's destruction

As ye reap, so shall ye sew.

re: #66 VegasRick

That is exactly what he did!

To Barry Hussein Obama, Clark is just another typical white person - under the bus with him! In this particular case Obam gets a pass in my book, since that's exactly where dull tool Clark belongs.

re: #101 maddogg

Sorry for the repost, but this is the type of Englishman that I admire.

very nice.

re: #95 jorline

Appropriate description, especially since these folks aren't supposed to drink anything alcoholic.

L'Chaim!

re: #123 redheadredstate,

Ahem, it's sow, not sew.

Arrrrrrgh!

re: #118 Iron Fist

,

Obama's loyalty to his people is, in a word, amazing. Wonder where he keeps finding them?

I don't know, but at the rate he's throwing them under the bus, he'll have to trade it in for something larger. Is the Queen Mary for sale?

re: #120 Dianna

It didn't work for you and I, perhaps, but BHO won't get many votes from LGF.

re: #127 Iron Fist

,

Ahem, it's sow, not sew.

Arrrrrrgh!

LOL, sorry trying to answer phone at work while typing arrrgggh indeed.

Even if they possessed academic qualifications, so what? Islamic "universities" like al-Azhar are front-line jihadist breeding grounds.

re: #101 maddogg

Sorry for the repost, but this is the type of Englishman that I admire.

I like it! Who is this guy? I sure don't want to find out that he is spot on with the threats we face from Islamofascists only to be a raving member of one of those white supremicist groups.

Something’s obviously wrong with the world today.

How is it that the Germans, who define the standard for documentation, standards, efficiency and thoroughness, could let anyone with no academic credentials teach (in this case preach), yet the French, who apparently consider pickles as a burrito ingredient, see fit to require training and credentials for line dancing instructors (via Ace)?

re: #115 Occasional Reader

alegrias & Russkilt: I guess they were expecting the delegates to do a four-part harmony rendition of "Ebony & Ivory", before adjourning to do volunteer painting parties at local synagogues. Something like that.

* * *
After Al Andalus' soccer team beat Germany yesterday, they ought to be ready for the Caliphate's Putsch, only not in a Munich beerhall this time.

Dummkopfs! Imams don't do do-wop.

re: #98 Russkilitlover

BHO has graduated cum laude from the Clinton school of throw one of your team out there to lob shit against the wall, if it sticks, you're home free, if it doesn't, you quickly denounce said team member.

I wish Bush were better at it.

re: #132 Russkilitlover

I like it! Who is this guy? I sure don't want to find out that he is spot on with the threats we face from Islamofascists only to be a raving member of one of those white supremicist groups.

No, he's definitely not one of those groups - rather the opposite (Guardian-reader, I'd say).
On Islamists and jihadists he is pretty brilliant!

re: #135 itellu3times

I wish Bush Republicans were better at it.

re: #135 itellu3times

I wish Bush were better at it.

* * *
It is a little late in the game to expect President Bush to become Clintonian. Wasn't eight years enough for you?

Wash out your mouth with soap!

re: #121 alegrias

A religion of the Sword. Hmm. I wonder if they've heard of the "live by the sword, die by the sword" credo. Well, if they haven't heard of it, I'm sure they'll bother someone enough to arrange it.

re: #119 newsjunkie_ky

Shug Jr. is so handsome and quite brilliant to see through the obamassiah (from earlier thread).
How is Mrs. Shug?

both are great. thanks.

shug and shug jr cannot be fooled by Hope and change.!

re: #135 itellu3times

Bush the campaigner used to know how to do it. He started losing it in 2006 when he hung onto Rumsfield through that election. Jettisoning Rumsfield earlier could have save one or two Senate seats.

re: #116 realwest

Well if you look at Killgore Trout's link in #57, it sure sounded to me as if Obama threw Clark under the bus!

from msdnc:

Obama will talk about McCain's military record in his noon speech on "patriotism" in Independence, MO -- and contradict Wes Clark, without naming him.

'will talk' and 'without naming' McCain or Clark?
obama said, I will not question the patriotism of anyone running and I will not allow (or tolerant) anyone questioning my patriotism. (paraphrased).
Heard the clips just now played on Rush. obama never mentioned McCain. He basically was trying to turn it around to not questioning HIS patriotism.

re: #30 maddogg

The joke is they are masterbaiters....

How will we possibly know if you don't use the smiley-face for a heads-up?

conservative, fundamentalist strand of Islam

What are the other strands?

Do tell.

re: #144 Spiritualized

What are the other strands?

Do tell.

The spoldeydope strand

re: #123 redheadredstate

As ye reap, so shall ye sew.

As you sow, so shall you reap; or, as you sew, so shall you rip. It's up to you.

re: #146 Dianna

As you sow, so shall you reap; or, as you sew, so shall you rip. It's up to you.

(Mostly ripping, with me ... sigh ...)

re: #135 itellu3times

I wish Bush were better at it:

* speaking
* thinking
* fighting
* listening
* understanding
* rejecting oil bribes
* judging character
* changing the course

Meanwhile, in the US, imams are ACLU-defended nuclear physicists like Moniem El-Ganayni who work at the US Department of [nuclear] Energy, and are community active giving "fiery speeches" at the mosque on Fridays.

"...Last week it [ACLU] announced that it had filed a lawsuit on behalf of Moniem El-Ganayni, a nuclear physicist whose security clearance was revoked by the Department of Energy, which resulted in him losing his job. El-Ganayni is an activist in Pittsburgh’s Muslim community and a vocal critic of what he perceives to be the U.S. policy toward Muslim countries, especially Iraq. He works as an imam in the Pennsylvania prison system and gives fiery speeches in local mosques criticizing the FBI's treatment of Muslims. ..."

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Hot Air:

Does Obama pay women less than men?

Hillary Supporters Unite !

LOL.

re: #132 Russkilitlover

I like it! Who is this guy? I sure don't want to find out that he is spot on with the threats we face from Islamofascists only to be a raving member of one of those white supremicist groups.

I don't know who he is. I got that little video in an email yesterday. Does anyone recognize him?
White supremacist? I hope not, I would be supremely embarrassed!

Re: the link to the article from the black CEO of the Louisiana Chamber of Commerce, did Bill O'Reillly really say he wanted to organize a "lynching party" to go after Michelle Obama? Just wanted to verify.

re: #147 yma o hyd

I sympathize!

re: #143 debutaunt

How will we possibly know if you don't use the smiley-face for a heads-up?

Summer? Is that you?

re: #122 yma o hyd

Too funny!
great use of scar without needing a tag.

re: #101 maddogg

Sorry for the repost, but this is the type of Englishman that I admire.

"Nice jihad. Like the dogma. Way to go with the bigotry and the hate"?

LOL!

re: #149 alegrias,

"...he works as a spy for Hizb'Allah and a cutout for Hamas..."

The ACLU'd really love him then. If it is anti-American, the ACLU loves it. BTW, where in the Constitution is the Right to a Security Clearence?

(OT, but the ACLU also

re: #32 lawhawk

The Church has an organization that provides ordination and credentialing. The same can't be said in Islam, where anyone can come off the street and claim to be a religious leader.

except maybe those crazy kat holy rollers that play with live deadly snakes during the service..
/Do they even offer snake handling 101 in college?

re: #152 Tigger2005

Re: the link to the article from the black CEO of the Louisiana Chamber of Commerce, did Bill O'Reillly really say he wanted to organize a "lynching party" to go after Michelle Obama? Just wanted to verify.

O'Reilly later stated: "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down."

[Link: firedoglake.com...]
Look like it's true.

re: #19 victor_yugo

Don't most Christian ordinations carry the equivalent of a Master's degree in education?

Maybe they could start requiring candidate imams to demonstrate (not merely claim) the same level.

Islamophobia!

/Sarc

re: #139 blangwort

A religion of the Sword. Hmm. I wonder if they've heard of the "live by the sword, die by the sword" credo. Well, if they haven't heard of it, I'm sure they'll bother someone enough to arrange it.

For these, I'd prefer "Live by the sword, die by the hellfire missile, machine gun, JDAM, etc."

What is up with the bomb sniffing dogs that are offending muslims that Debbie Schlussel posted?

Is Customs going to stop the practise to avoid the horror?

re: #137 Russkilitlover

I wish Bush Republicans McCain were better at it.

This is politics 101 folks, should be actively pursued from the earliest campaign through the full time in office, and maybe even afterwards!

You want surrogates, sockpuppets, supporters, spokespersons, ... rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers and Methodists.

re: #151 maddogg

I don't know who he is. I got that little video in an email yesterday. Does anyone recognize him?
White supremacist? I hope not, I would be supremely embarrassed!

Pat Condell. He's been linked to, many times, here at LGF.
Here's his website. Doesn't like Christianity either, but his rants on Islam and Europe are too good to miss.

re: #157 Iron Fist

,

"...he works as a spy for Hizb'Allah and a cutout for Hamas..."

The ACLU'd really love him then. If it is anti-American, the ACLU loves it. BTW, where in the Constitution is the Right to a Security Clearence?

(OT, but the ACLU also

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Sorry your comment got cut off by the "sword"~and speaking of messing with our national security...

From that link, I see this guy worked 18 years as

"....An Islamic nuclear physicist on Thursday accused the U.S. Department of Energy of revoking his security clearance in retaliation for his criticism of the government's treatment of Muslims.

Moniem El-Ganayni had worked at the Bettis Laboratory in the Pittsburgh suburb of West Mifflin for 18 years. He was fired in May after the department revoked his security clearance, according to a federal lawsuit filed on his behalf Thursday by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Department of Energy denied El-Ganayni the right to appeal the revocation by saying its reasons are classified and could violate national security if made public. El-Ganayni is demanding that he be allowed to contest it before a "nonpolitical, neutral arbiter as mandated by DOE regulations."..."

SNIP

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[Link: www.examiner.com...]

re: #164 itellu3times

I wish Bush Republicans McCain were better at it.

This is politics 101 folks, should be actively pursued from the earliest campaign through the full time in office, and maybe even afterwards!

You want surrogates, sockpuppets, supporters, spokespersons, ... rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers and Methodists.

"...but we don't want the IRISH!"

re: #150 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hot Air:

Does Obama pay women less than men?

Hillary Supporters Unite !

LOL.

Good stuff there, in that article!

re: #167 CIA Reject

"...but we don't want the IRISH!"

shit...cleanup on aisle SOS.

re: #166 alegrias

* * *
Sorry your comment got cut off by the "sword"~and speaking of messing with our national security...

From that link, I see this guy worked 18 years as

"....An Islamic nuclear physicist on Thursday accused the U.S. Department of Energy of revoking his security clearance in retaliation for his criticism of the government's treatment of Muslims.

Moniem El-Ganayni had worked at the Bettis Laboratory in the Pittsburgh suburb of West Mifflin for 18 years. He was fired in May after the department revoked his security clearance, according to a federal lawsuit filed on his behalf Thursday by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Department of Energy denied El-Ganayni the right to appeal the revocation by saying its reasons are classified and could violate national security if made public. El-Ganayni is demanding that he be allowed to contest it before a "nonpolitical, neutral arbiter as mandated by DOE regulations."..."

SNIP

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Muslim physicist says feds retaliated against him

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

re: #151 maddogg

I don't know who he is. I got that little video in an email yesterday. Does anyone recognize him?
White supremacist? I hope not, I would be supremely embarrassed!

No, he isn't, rest assured!
He's a stand-up comedian, here's the wiki info:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #152 Tigger2005
Better shelve the word "linchpin" until after the election, too.
Before:
Some credit the Rev. Wright as the linchpin of Obama's sucess.
After:
Some credit the Rev. Wright as the pin inserted through the end of an axletree to keep the wheel on of Obama's sucess.

re: #165 gop_patriot

Pat Condell. He's been linked to, many times, here at LGF.
Here's his website. Doesn't like Christianity either, but his rants on Islam and Europe are too good to miss.

Thanks, and I tend to agree.

re: #142 newsjunkie_ky
Well I went back to Charles' thread about Wes Clark and found this comment:

"Here's a statement from Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Wes Clark's controversial comments about McCain's military service. "As he's said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by General Clark."

I'm sorry I don't have the # of the comment or the LGFer's name who posted that but it's toward end of the comments on that thread.

re: #168 yma o hyd

Good stuff there, in that article!

But, Alas, it will be McCain painted somehow.
They tried it with the lobbyist/sex thing. zzzzzzzzz.
They'll try again, I'm sure.
Obambi will be blameless, of course.

re: #160 ec marm

[Link: firedoglake.com...]
Look like it's true.

Sigh...that is just so stupid. O'Reilly is a pinhead. I don't care how racist Michelle Obama herself may be or what kind of nasty remarks she makes, talking about lynching in the context of any black person who isn't a cold blooded killer is just sick and wrong and indecent...and I am hardly a PC nut. I can almost understand why this guy flew off the handle the way he did. He's wrong, of course, but if his irrational screed was motivated even partly by O'Reilly's comments, it's hard to blame him.

re: #175 realwest

Driver, What was that thump ?

Brooks believes if asked Hagel will accept Obama’s VP spot

blockquote>David Brooks predicted on the Chris Matthews show that if Obama asked Hagel to fill the VP spot, Hagel would accept. Hagel a Senate Republican who’s very public split with Bush on the war in Iraq would signify a real push for new democratic voters (middle of the road republicans, independents). But Hagel is a morale conservative who’s views don’t at all match Obama’s base.

re: #160 ec marm
Bill O'Reilly Speaks on the Michelle Obama "Lynching" Flap!

re: #166 alegrias,

Yeah, I was just going off on the ACLU for their response to the Heller decision. They are actively hostile to the Second Amendment, but they'll go to the mat for any anti-American's "right" to bugger small children or sell out unimportant things like nuclear security. I really have no use for the ACLU.

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Brooks believes if asked Hagel will accept Obama’s VP spot

blockquote>David Brooks predicted on the Chris Matthews show that if Obama asked Hagel to fill the VP spot, Hagel would accept. Hagel a Senate Republican who’s very public split with Bush on the war in Iraq would signify a real push for new democratic voters (middle of the road republicans, independents). But Hagel is a morale conservative who’s views don’t at all match Obama’s base.

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Hagel's gone round the bend with BDS.

First, Hagel loved John McCain in 1999, and threw a party for McCain's Presidential Announcement Tour, and was in New Hampshire at the Primary Night with McCain in 2000 when McCain won against George Bush.

Then Hagel supported George Bush.

re: #175 realwest
obamassiah sending out surrogates but not doing it himself.

re: #177 Tigger2005
I agree. I'm not a fan of O'Reilly in the least. In my semi-professional opinion, the show is taped earlier in the day, edited, then broadcast later. If so, it could have been easily edited out. Brit Hume has class, O'Reilly has none.

Unless the Germans have had their militaristic nature totally bred out of them, in the future there may be a massive push-back as the average on-the-dole nanny-stater sees the end of their comfortable sponging off of the German State. Whether enough people wake in time I am in serious ambivalence.

re: #142 newsjunkie_ky

'will talk' and 'without naming' McCain or Clark?
obama said, I will not question the patriotism of anyone running and I will not allow (or tolerant) anyone questioning my patriotism. (paraphrased).
Heard the clips just now played on Rush. obama never mentioned McCain. He basically was trying to turn it around to not questioning HIS patriotism.

I guess Clark won't be vetted for veep, huh.

re: #181 Iron Fist

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Yeah, I was just going off on the ACLU for their response to the Heller decision. They are actively hostile to the Second Amendment, but they'll go to the mat for any anti-American's "right" to bugger small children or sell out unimportant things like nuclear security. I really have no use for the ACLU.

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Remember when Bush the Elder said Mondale was a "card carrying member of the ACLU" and that was enough to sink Mondale!

Now it's a dem badge of "courage". The new patriotism is all ACLU.

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

Unless the Germans have had their militaristic nature totally bred out of them, in the future there may be a massive push-back as the average on-the-dole nanny-stater sees the end of their comfortable sponging off of the German State. Whether enough people wake in time I am in serious ambivalence.

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Germans don't have children. Sorry, not enough Volks.

re: #186 Mars Needs Neocons
I wish clark was the veep candidate for obama. Neither one can say anything that isn't on a teleprompter. Off message and blunder, blunder, blunder constantly.

Koskid compares Zimbabwe election to Florida Republicans.

/Classy.

re: #127 Iron Fist

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Ahem, it's sow, not sew.

Arrrrrrgh!

Sowdi Arabia - isn't that haraam?

re: #169 SasquatchOnSteroids

shit...cleanup on aisle SOS.

It's from Blazing Saddles.

So if 'education' puts the Imams in about the 7th century, does 'uneducated' put them about, what...3rd or 4th century?

Heck, few of our congresscritters possess any academic qualifications. Yup, I know most of 'em are lawyers. QED.

re: #189 newsjunkie_ky

I wish clark was the veep candidate for obama. Neither one can say anything that isn't on a teleprompter. Off message and blunder, blunder, blunder constantly.

Wishy Washy Wesley wants to be the US rep at the UN. If not that, he hope to get a puppy for Christmas

re: #194 Da Coyote

Heck, few of our congresscritters possess any academic qualifications. Yup, I know most of 'em are lawyers. QED.

I am on the edge of telling a lawyer joke..stop me!

re: #192 Mars Needs Neocons

It's from Blazing Saddles.

Yeah, I know, after reading the first post (itellyou3times) and laughing, that one got me good.

re: #193 Oh no...Sand People!

So if 'education' puts the Imams in about the 7th century, does 'uneducated' put them about, what...3rd or 4th century?

Heh.
Wouldn't that be nice - a few centuries before Mo - I like it!

Kerry vouches for Obama on Israel visit

US Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said Monday that Barack Obama is a 100 percent supporter of Israel and if elected, he will bring new spirit to Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking efforts.

/well, now I'm convinced

Knesset approves bill stating those who visit enemy countries without proper permit will not be eligible for Knesset duty for seven years. Bill initiator MK Orlev: From today Arab MKs must decide – either Syrian Parliament or Israeli Parliament

ynet

Fuckin eh! Who turned on the light?

As with any group of people (whatever the size, race, region of the world), the less educated that group is, the more easily it is to control.

For all those educated jihadists (i.e. Al Queda #2 in command, an Egyptian PHD) who really don't want to martyr themselves, it is awful nice to have a large pool of uneducated, extremely fanatic followers to do the dirty work and not ask questions. Just give 'em a bit of power (like, make them an Imam or Cleric), and they will die for you. Or at least inspire others to.

re: #189 newsjunkie_ky

I wish clark was the veep candidate for obama. Neither one can say anything that isn't on a teleprompter. Off message and blunder, blunder, blunder constantly.

Agreed.

#101 maddogg
I like him too. He's pretty typically English with that dry sense of humour. I do agree with him except one point - he kept saying *we* but all the bowing is being done by politicians across Europe. We on the other hand feel powerless to act because our *government* hasn't listened to a word we've had to say for 10 years. It won't end well I think.
I've just read the last two threads on Mugabe and Olmert so I'm feeling rather depressed....

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Koskid compares Zimbabwe election to Florida Republicans.

/Classy.

That's so over the top kraazzy, that person needs help.

re: #197 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yeah, I know, after reading the first post (itellyou3times) and laughing, that one got me good.

I didn't have the nerve to post the first part of that line...

Charles probably doesn't need the aggravation anyway...

I don't know that education makes them any better. Would you prefer an uneducated thug, or Sayid Qutb?

re: #203 Is it me?

We on the other hand feel powerless to act because our *government* hasn't listened to a word we've had to say for 10 years. It won't end well I think.

I do not see any way for it to end well.

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Brooks believes if asked Hagel will accept Obama’s VP spot

David Brooks predicted on the Chris Matthews show that if Obama asked Hagel to fill the VP spot, Hagel would accept.

Yah, as I see that, Hagel appreciates Obama's wide stance.
/larry craig reference

Jindal vetoes legislative raise

Gov. Bobby Jindal announced today that he has vetoed the legislative pay raise.

After days of saying he would not reject the unpopular measure, Jindal said this morning that he had changed his mind.

"I thank the people for their voice and their attention," Jindal said of the public outcry against the raise. "I am going to need your help to move this state forward. ... The voters have demanded change. . . . I made a mistake by staying out if it" originally.

Jindal said that legislators "are going to be angry I broke my word to them" by promising to stay out of the pay raise issue. "Let them direct their anger to me and not the people of this state," Jindal said.

/gets it right in the end

re: #205 CIA Reject

I didn't have the nerve to post the first part of that line...

Charles probably doesn't need the aggravation anyway...

We'll never see another one like it, that's for sure. Nobody was safe.
Thanks for the laugh.

re: #60 redheadredstate

Is this an example of "karma"? The Germans weren't exactly choir boys in the past 100 years and now they have this storm brewing within their own borders.

"red-red" -

Not sure about Karma, now SCHADENFREUDE is another matter.

-S-

re: #210 SasquatchOnSteroids

We'll never see another one like it, that's for sure. Nobody was safe.
Thanks for the laugh.

Amen to that - and you're welcome!

re: #209 Killian Bundy
I like him.

A disturbingly high percentage of the Islamic preachers in mosques and Islamic centers across Germany are uneducated Dark Ages fanatics.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

From Tehran's Campus Crackdown, Amir Taheri, NY Post, 9-17-2007

"Ahmadinejad launched his second 'Islamic Cultural Revolution' last year by appointing a semiliterate mullah as chancellor of Tehran University ...."

re: #210 SasquatchOnSteroids

We'll never see another one like it, that's for sure. Nobody was safe.
Thanks for the laugh.

That's something that has bothered me for a while. It seemed so much like Brooks had lost his edge and was just playing watered down versions of what he had done before. I mean, hell, Dracula Dead and Loving it was largely the original 1930's stage play Dracula script (look it up if you don't believe me), but then he did The Producers remake and once again was willing to be as politically incorrect as he wished. (I hope he's got a few more in him before the end.)

re: #213 newsjunkie_ky

I like him.

I generally agree, but I am afraid that his ID decision was pandering of the worst kind.

Let's see what he develops into as he matures politically.

re: #193 Oh no...Sand People!

So if 'education' puts the Imams in about the 7th century, does 'uneducated' put them about, what...3rd or 4th century?

I wold hazard a guess more like the Cambrian Period of the Paleozoic Era. ;-)

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

Unless the Germans have had their militaristic nature totally bred out of them, in the future there may be a massive push-back as the average on-the-dole nanny-stater sees the end of their comfortable sponging off of the German State. Whether enough people wake in time I am in serious ambivalence.

I think it's too late, for them, for that.

re: #187 alegrias

Er...Dukakis defined himself as a "card carrying member of the ACLU." Bush 41 just had to leave that out there.

Meanwhile,

Back in Iran, "...There's widespread disenchantment among young people with Iran's strict theocratic regime, which requires headscarves for women and bans alcohol. And jobs are scarce.

In other Middle East countries with similar demographics, like Egypt and Turkey, young people are increasingly turning back to their Muslim identity for solace. But Iran's mostly well-educated youth are more likely to seek other remedies -- such as self-help seminars, New Age theories, meditation and yoga.

"The regime presumed it could mold the society into whatever shape and form it wanted, but we are seeing the opposite take place," says sociologist Hamid Reza Jalalipour. The younger generation is "turning away from conventional religion and tradition."

SNIP

Positive Thinking in Tehran:
Youth Embrace Self-Help Movement

New Age Devotees, Chanting 'Yes, I Can,'
Flock to Unlikely Guru; 'The Secret' in Farsi

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #211 Dr. Shalit

"red-red" -
Not sure about Karma, now SCHADENFREUDE is another matter.
-S-

dunno man, I would not wish that kind of ill on any modern Western state. once the dominos start falling, it will really be as Mark Steyn wrote: America Alone.

Not a good thing. (BTW, all of europe suffers the same demographic decline as in Germany).

OK, what is so wrong with being a dark aged Imam......................
These are their beliefs.........................

Lets see, OK, the world is flat,
the earth is the center of the universe, women and children are chattel to be bought and sold, the Jews are second class citizens, and are to be reviled. Sounds like 21st Islamic thinking to me.

re: #221 alegrias

Meanwhile,

Back in Iran, "...There's widespread disenchantment among young
people with Iran's strict theocratic regime, which requires headscarves
for women and bans alcohol. And jobs are scarce.

In other Middle East countries with similar demographics, like Egypt
and Turkey, young people are increasingly turning back to their Muslim
identity for solace. But Iran's mostly well-educated youth are more
likely to seek other remedies -- such as self-help seminars, New Age
theories, meditation and yoga.

"The regime presumed it could mold the society into whatever shape
and form it wanted, but we are seeing the opposite take place," says
sociologist Hamid Reza Jalalipour. The younger generation is "turning
away from conventional religion and tradition."

SNIP

Positive Thinking in Tehran:

Youth Embrace Self-Help Movement

New Age Devotees, Chanting 'Yes, I Can,'

Flock to Unlikely Guru; 'The Secret' in Farsi

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Sammy Davis, Jr. is their guru? Makes sense, Sinatra's mine.

re: #223 smokefire

OK, what is so wrong with being a dark aged Imam......................
These are their beliefs.........................

Lets see, OK, the world is flat,
the earth is the center of the universe, women and children are chattel to be bought and sold, the Jews are second class citizens, and are to be reviled. Sounds like 21st Islamic thinking to me.

That and you can marry any aged child as did Mohammed Piss be upon him.

Ah, yes, we discovered the same thing in the Netherlands a few years ago. So, of course, the infidels are now funding a college for future imams will be educated so they will become teachers of an enlightened, European Islam.

The other day, one of the teachers at this college, who has a Q & A column in a paper, answered a letter from a Muslim girl who had been raped by her cousin.

The advice: she could report it, but that might cause her to get in trouble with her family. Or she could try and forgive her cousin and make sure it never happened again by making sure she was never alone in a room with any male person ever again.

How enlightened, how moderate, how Eurabian!

It does not matter whether they are "educated" or whether they can only recite the Koran from memory: they have the same backward ideas. Because the ideas come from that Koran...

re: #22 maddogg

The Imams all have masters in baiting.....

Extrapolating this statement, MUST mean the Imams are master baiters.

re: #30 maddogg

The joke is they are masterbaiters....

OOOoooops! hadn't read this far yet.... kinda slow today....

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

For these, I'd prefer "Live by the sword, die by the hellfire missile, machine gun, JDAM, etc."

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight? I'll bet that's another thing they don't teach in Imam school.

The title of the post can be easily made: "Most Imams Uneducated Fundamentalists" ; and it will still be very true.

re: #221 alegrias

Meanwhile,

Back in Iran, "...There's widespread disenchantment among young people with Iran's strict theocratic regime, which requires headscarves for women and bans alcohol. And jobs are scarce.

In other Middle East countries with similar demographics, like Egypt and Turkey, young people are increasingly turning back to their Muslim identity for solace. But Iran's mostly well-educated youth are more likely to seek other remedies -- such as self-help seminars, New Age theories, meditation and yoga.

"The regime presumed it could mold the society into whatever shape and form it wanted, but we are seeing the opposite take place," says sociologist Hamid Reza Jalalipour. The younger generation is "turning away from conventional religion and tradition."

SNIP

Positive Thinking in Tehran:
Youth Embrace Self-Help Movement

New Age Devotees, Chanting 'Yes, I Can,'
Flock to Unlikely Guru; 'The Secret' in Farsi

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Great. Sure, this will defeat the mullahs.
Not.

Chanting "yes we can"? Can we please send them Obama?

re: #231 Kosh's Shadow

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Yes, the Iranian peddling the self-help in Iran today WAS working in California before, so he's probably an Obama "Yes We Can" man!

Positive affirmations always work with the bad guys. Wouldn't want to work against them, now, would a democrat?

Imams ignorant? Who knew?! :)

Whoops, sent too soon:

Imams ignorant? Who knew?! :) But seriously folks, the imams arguably are preparing fellow immigrants for life in Germany (and Italy; France; Netherlands; England ... etc.) Europeans are no longer giving birth in sufficient numbers to sustain their native born populations. Hence, the imams would be wasting their time w/assimilation. Ignorant or not, they're there and growing in numbers. Now whose stupid?

Of course, the blind sheik Omar Abd-el-Rahman had the equivalent of a Ph.D. from Al Azhar University in Cairo - and that didn't stop him from preaching "kill the infidels" and conspiring to bomb NYC.

re: #30 maddoggTo be good at taqiya...they would also have to be cunning linguists.

Maybe Dr. No (Osama Obama) will fund a school for them in germ any.

re: #42 Sharmuta

Tom would be mad at me if I read that before I read up on the Battle of Vicksburg like he told me to.

Oh, I suppose I could grant a special dispensation.

;)

re: #237 ploome hineni

qualification?

how to slaughter an infidel?

hate infidel 101?

academic qualification? that's a laugh

I'm not expert in this but I gather that there are some courses of instruction that are little more than exercises in rote memory and other that are fairly analagous to law school cum divinity school. So yes, it seems there can be academic qualifications. That said, Islam has no Vatican, nor even a Canterbury. There's no one to maintain any given set of standard.

Why should anyone expect Muslim clerics to be have strong academic backgrounds?
Muslims believe that Mohamed was the perfect man and that his life should be copied by good Muslims.
Mohamed was not a learned man... I could say something uncharitable... but I wont.

The Muslim cleric who has strong academic credentials is the antithesis to the personal example Mohamed set.

...as opposed to Mike Huckabee, who took a few classes at Ouachita Bible College...;~)

re: #96 xenon23

K surprise.

So their Koran bangers and our Bible bangers have that one thing in common.

Well I am sure glad that Fred Felps has not put his nuts in Suicide Vests yet.

Wouldn't that require a suicide jockstrap instead?

I'd pay money to watch Fred Phelps do that, actually.

Generally, if they preach about living like the "pious predecessors" or the "companions of the prophet," they are fundamentalist Salafists.

re: #151 maddogg

I don't know who he is. I got that little video in an email yesterday. Does anyone recognize him?
White supremacist? I hope not, I would be supremely embarrassed!

I'm sure I'm late to the party, but that is Pat Condell. I believe our host has featured his vids in past posts.

Well this is a shocking surprise.

Huge one.

This is simply confirmation that these people have made no progress since the dark ages. Literacy is knowledge; knowledge is the bane of ignorance. Without ignorance a "religion" such as Islam would disappear into the dustbin of history along with other Ideologies of Evil such as Leninist Communism.

re: #241 ploome hineni

there is however consensus, based on precedent gathered from the koran and hadith and sharia..and muslim 'standards' are maintained by violence

and I think islam has 'standards' however low they may be, but it helps the denial of responsibility to say there is not

just more takkiyah

One consensus or several? What do you mean by denial of responsibility and who do you think is denying it?

Where ignorance is bliss it's folly to be wise.
If Imams from wherever, were thinking, logical philosphers of learning ;then the stupid death cult which we know as islam, would not exist.