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More Science Labs: Tunguska Centennial

Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:03:06 pm PDT

One hundred years ago today, a large object entered the Earth’s atmosphere and exploded over a remote area of Siberia with a force greater than 1,000 Hiroshima A-bombs; if it had happened in a populated region, there could have been millions dead: Fire in the sky: Tunguska at 100.

The cause was an asteroid or comet just a few tens of metres across which detonated 5-10km above the ground, 100 years ago today. Eyewitnesses recalled a brilliant fireball resembling a “flying star” ploughing across the cloudless June sky at an oblique angle.

The plume of hot dust trailing the fireball gave rise to descriptions of a “pillar of fire”, which was quickly replaced by a giant cloud of black smoke rising over the horizon.

“The sky split in two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest. The split in the sky grew larger, and the entire northern side was covered with fire,” one local remembered.

“At that moment I became so hot that I couldn’t bear it, as if my shirt was on fire ... I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw it down, but then the sky slammed shut. A strong thump sounded, and I was thrown a few yards.”

This eyewitness was lucky, but an elderly hunter who was much closer to the explosion died after being flung against a tree by the blast. That the airburst did not cause more casualties was in large part due to the remoteness of the area.

The University of Bologna may have identified the impact crater for the object: Tunguska Home Page (Bologna, Italy).

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1 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:05:27pm

It would be great if they could find a piece of that thing.

2 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:05:43pm

Asteroids, far more dangerous to mankind than anthropogenic global warming will ever be.

3 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:07:25pm

Thunder God Agby! By golly.
Not a very godlike moniker...

4 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:07:31pm

I'd like to get an idea of to what extent we are tracking these objects.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:07:37pm

Was watching a documentary about tsunamis a few months ago. They made the case that any amount of floodings caused by plate tectonics would be almost nothing compared to that caused by a meteor impact.

6 digger12291970  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:08:11pm

But the goricle say "We only have five years to stop global warming!" So we only have 100 years to stop the next comet?

/moonbat

7 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:08:53pm

This always fascinated me , can't believe it was 100 years ago. Very cool about finding the crater. Can you imagine witnessing this thing zooming by?

8 LoFlyer  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:08:56pm

I remember many of the far-fetched theories ranging from alien spacecraft exploding to anti-matter striking the earth. If this thing happened today, we would know within seconds that the event occured, and figure out what happened within weeks. PS, I secretly like the theory of the UFO exploding. So much more cooler than a metorite exploding...

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:09:22pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'd like to get an idea of to what extent we are tracking these objects.

No, you really wouldn't. Ignorance is bliss.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:09:26pm

Wasn't it a grand sight, "Charles"?

I wish the younger lizardoids could have been there to see it.

11 TheMole  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:09:48pm

A fascinating event. I always wonder when I read about it ... given that the earth's surface is 70% water, what would happen if such an object landed in the ocean? It must have happened before at some time.

12 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:10:34pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'd like to get an idea of to what extent we are tracking these objects.

Right now we get about a 15 minute warning if we are lucky.

13 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:10:40pm

A devastating event with no real conclusive proof. A true mystery.

14 HelloDare  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:11:10pm

Pales in comparison to Wesley Clark's last bomb.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:11:11pm

It is only dumb luck that a similar event has not destroyed a whole city in historical times.
The scary and fascinating thing is that it could happen literally any second.

16 yitzy  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:12:05pm

Mmmmmmmmm.....bologna.
(You say baloney; I say bolgna.)

17 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:12:18pm

Isn't there an asteroid due to pay us a close fly by in the next few decades? Or am I channeling some moonbat hysteria I may have heard on PBS.

18 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:12:48pm

One of the turtles slipped and fell.

19 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:12:56pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder at some Biblical stories, say Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed by fire. Could that have been a similar type of event?

20 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:13:29pm

re: #18 jcm

Off one of those henges?

21 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:13:45pm

re: #17 vagabond trader

Isn't there an asteroid due to pay us a close fly by in the next few decades? Or am I channeling some moonbat hysteria I may have heard on PBS.

Predicting Apophis' Earth Encounters in 2029 and 2036

22 Thanos  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:13:50pm

Tunguska, that must be the drinking word tonight?

Cheers!

23 LoFlyer  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:13:51pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

It is only dumb luck that a similar event has not destroyed a whole city in historical times.
The scary and fascinating thing is that it could happen literally any second.

When I see the Hubble images of Galaxies colliding I realize that astronomically, we live in a safe neighborhood. In the cosmic scheme of things, this was almost a non-event...

24 HelloDare  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:13:57pm

Obama will save us from the next Tunguska.

25 vapig  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:14:10pm
The cause was an asteroid or comet just a few tens of metres across which detonated 5-10km above the ground, 100 years ago today.

Since it collided with the atmosphere and the damage was caused by the shock wave, is it likely they will find an actual impact site?

26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:14:10pm

re: #11 TheMole

A fascinating event. I always wonder when I read about it ... given that the earth's surface is 70% water, what would happen if such an object landed in the ocean? It must have happened before at some time.

Here is some theory on this

Debris avalanches entering the sea at Augustine Volcano, Alaska have been proposed as a mechanism for generating tsunamis. Historical accounts of the 1883 eruption of the volcano describe 6- to 9-meter-high waves that struck the coastline at English Bay (Nanwalek), Alaska about 80 kilometers east of Augustine Island. These accounts are often cited as proof that volcanigenic tsunamis from Augustine Volcano are significant hazards to the coastal zone of lower Cook Inlet.

27 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:14:36pm

re: #20 vagabond trader

Off one of those henges?

Maybe, the Henge could be where the earth rests on the turtles back.

28 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:14:52pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'd like to get an idea of to what extent we are tracking these objects.

I've heard on some documentaries on THC or Nat'l Geo that you could staff a McDonalds with the amount of people looking for these objects worldwide. Don't know how accurate it is, but I hope there's more than that.

29 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:16:55pm

re: #21 jcm

Thanks, wow, 18,000 miles sounds way too close.Surely it'll effect tides, communications, etc. Well, hope I'll be around to watch the show.

30 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:16:58pm

re: #28 SasquatchOnSteroids

Tracking and finding one is all well and good. What can we do about it when you find one heading towards us?

31 Thanos  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:17:05pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


There's also an Island in the Canaries I believe that has a several miles long fissure with a large shelf of volcanic rock balanced on it. It's projected to wipe out the entire eastern seaboard if it ever plunges in.

32 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #4 Occasional Reader

I'd like to get an idea of to what extent we are tracking these objects.

Near Earth Object Program.

33 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:17:10pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Wasn't it a grand sight, "Charles"?

I wish the younger lizardoids could have been there to see it.

I had to go home for a retina replacement.

34 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:17:43pm

To me, this is the real meaning of "God fearing".
We mortals, we humans, we think we got it all figured out, lately.
We are so arrogant, we think we can control the weather, for the love of Pete.
What an complete absurdity.
We got nothing.
One delicate blast out of God's nostrils and we are toast.
Just sayin'

35 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:18:25pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

Not a damn thing.

36 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:18:39pm

"A complete absurdity"
PIMF

37 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:18:43pm

re: #29 vagabond trader

I don't think it would have enough mass to affect any tides. It will certainly bring the moonbat brigade out of the woodwork, though.

38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:19:25pm

re: #35 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not a damn thing.

Bullshit. We can scramble a crack team of drillers led by Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to blow it out of the sky.

Can't we?

39 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:19:35pm

re: #37 WhiteRasta

Oh yeah, they'll be trekking to Stonehenge for this one.

40 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:19:39pm

re: #19 WhiteRasta

I wonder at some Biblical stories, say Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed by fire. Could that have been a similar type of event?

I always though they were burned by a bunch of pissed off neighbors .

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:19:50pm
42 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:19:59pm
Lake Cheko does not appear on any maps of the area made before 1908; it also happens to lie North-West-West of the epicentre, on the general path taken by the impactor as it plummeted to Earth

To Dr Longo, a radar signal from beneath the lake is suggestive of a dense object, possibly part of the Tunguska meteorite, buried about 10m down. The team plans to conduct an expedition to the area in 2009, to investigate this possibility.

Fascinating. Can't wait to hear what they find. I also hesitate to think what theistic realism would claim to be the cause.

43 LoFlyer  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:20:33pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In 1963 an Alaskan fishing town was wiped out with no survivors due to a glacier collapsing in the bay the town was located at. High water mark was documented 1000 feet above sea level.

44 Gordan the Fisherman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:22:12pm
The cause was an asteroid or comet just a few tens of metres across which detonated 5-10km above the ground, 100 years ago today

Anyone know the physics behind why it would detonate 5-10km above the surface, instead of impacting?

45 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:22:13pm

re: #40 The Other Les

My Bible knowledge is not good. I thought G-d rained down fire upon the cities....

Perhaps a lizard can correct my knowledge in this department.

46 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:22:17pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bullshit. We can scramble a crack team of drillers led by Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to blow it out of the sky.

Can't we?

Wasn't that a gov't program ?

Definitely not Reality TV.

47 gopninja  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:22:21pm

i believe there are some ufo people who think this is actually early aliens testing weapons on the planet, or something along those lines, lol

48 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:23:16pm
49 LoFlyer  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:23:49pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bullshit. We can scramble a crack team of drillers led by Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to blow it out of the sky.

Can't we?

I don't trust NASA for much of anything anymore. They crashed too many shuttles and botched too many missions for me to place my faith in NASA. I would trust the US Navy to save us before I would trust NASA. At least the navy can shoot down satellites.

50 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:24:10pm

re: #44 Gordan the Fisherman

The density of the lower atmosphere and the speed of the object would be my guess.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:24:30pm

re: #17 vagabond trader

Isn't there an asteroid due to pay us a close fly by in the next few decades? Or am I channeling some moonbat hysteria I may have heard on PBS.

Nope, it's quite real. The asteroid Apophis will pass very close to the Earth in 2029. How close?

The future for Apophis on Friday, April 13 of 2029 includes an approach to Earth no closer than 29,470 km (18,300 miles, or 5.6 Earth radii from the center, or 4.6 Earth-radii from the surface) over the mid-Atlantic, appearing to the naked eye as a moderately bright point of light moving rapidly across the sky. Depending on its mechanical nature, it could experience shape or spin-state alteration due to tidal forces caused by Earth's gravity field.

This is within the distance of Earth's geosynchronous satellites. However, because Apophis will pass interior to the positions of these satellites at closest approach, in a plane inclined at 40 degrees to the Earth's equator and passing outside the equatorial geosynchronous zone when crossing the equatorial plane, it does not threaten the satellites in that heavily populated region. (emphasis added)

As the linked NASA paper indicates, any number of factors could change this distance over the next 21 years, from a bullseye to a miss by millions of miles.

52 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:24:40pm

re: #45 WhiteRasta

My Bible knowledge is not good. I thought G-d rained down fire upon the cities....

Perhaps a lizard can correct my knowledge in this department.

I don't take the Bible literally.

The whole raping virgins thing is bound to piss someone off.

53 vagabond trader  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:24:44pm

re: #47 gopninja

No no, it was a ufo with a damaged reactor blowing up over the area. Ok, my childhood reading material was rather strange.

54 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:25:12pm

re: #44 Gordan the Fisherman

Anyone know the physics behind why it would detonate 5-10km above the surface, instead of impacting?

More likely a comet, mostly ice. Fragmenting on atmospheric entry. Lots of energy involved, mass and velocity converted to energy very quickly.

55 gopninja  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:26:16pm

re: #53 vagabond trader

No no, it was a ufo with a damaged reactor blowing up over the area. Ok, my childhood reading material was rather strange.

thats definitely sounds more like what happened

56 The Other Les  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:27:20pm

re: #52 The Other Les

[Link: www.rhymes-with-witch.com...]

57 BakaRanger  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:28:26pm

Did FEMA ever show up?

58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:30:34pm

re: #57 BakaRanger

Did FEMA ever show up?

I think Yakov Smirnoff said at the telethon that they didnt show because George Bush hated Siberians.

I could be wrong though.

59 mossley  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:31:41pm

re: #44 Gordan the Fisherman

Anyone know the physics behind why it would detonate 5-10km above the surface, instead of impacting?

I'd guess the extreme temperatures as it entered the atmosphere, especially if its makeup included any volatile substances.

60 justdanny  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:34:32pm

I'm trying to find the location on elgoog earth. Not easy.

61 WhiteRasta  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:35:44pm

re: #59 mossley

Mass X Velocity = Cataclysmic release of energy.

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

62 Tigger2005  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:40:40pm

Ha. One of the aliens from Area 51 (a descendant of the original Roswell spaceship crew) filled me in on the whole story a few years ago, as told to him by his full alien granddad (he is one quarter alien). Not to worry, new safeguards were installed in all P'winglu Class Antimatter Drive Interplanetary Explorer Craft soon after the incident.

re: #8 LoFlyer

I remember many of the far-fetched theories ranging from alien spacecraft exploding to anti-matter striking the earth. If this thing happened today, we would know within seconds that the event occured, and figure out what happened within weeks. PS, I secretly like the theory of the UFO exploding. So much more cooler than a metorite exploding...

63 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:41:03pm

re: #60 justdanny

I'm trying to find the location on elgoog earth. Not easy.

Try 60.964° N 101.86° E

64 JHW  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:44:09pm

Article and photos from the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate on the Siljan Crater in Sweden, Europe's largest impact crater. A few years ago drilling for hydrocarbons to test the abiotic theory of their formation was tried with negative results.
Siljan Crater, Sweden

65 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:45:10pm

If you think Tunguska is scary, check something close to home, the Yellowstone Caldera, which erupts about every 600,000 years, and last erupted 640,000 years ago. When it erupts again, and it will, it'll bury the USA and Canada in 6 feet of ash.

66 justdanny  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:45:49pm

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.re: #63 jcm

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.

Looks like a decent impact crater to me. Nothing like the monsters scattered all of our eastern seaboard though, on the Carolina coast.

67 RoughRider  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:46:07pm

re: #43 LoFlyer

In 1963 an Alaskan fishing town was wiped out with no survivors due to a glacier collapsing in the bay the town was located at.

That's unpossible. Glaciers didn't start melting until January 20, 2001.

68 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:46:59pm

re: #66 justdanny

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.

Looks like a decent impact crater to me. Nothing like the monsters scattered all of our eastern seaboard though, on the Carolina coast.

Mines decimal same loc.

69 Tigger2005  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:47:53pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

Tracking and finding one is all well and good. What can we do about it when you find one heading towards us?

If you find it a few years in advance, you could send a rocket loaded with a nuclear warhead or two try to shift its path a fraction. A slight change in trajectory early on will cause it to swing wide of us later.

70 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:48:17pm

re: #66 justdanny

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.

60 48 17 33 N
102 05 52 30 E

Is what I have.

Looks like a decent impact crater to me. Nothing like the monsters scattered all of our eastern seaboard though, on the Carolina coast.

They've found small impactors. Consistent with a comet, mostly ice with rocks mixed in. The larger rocks made it down and impacted.

71 So?  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:49:01pm

Isn't there a new theory about a huge release of methane gas that caused a gigantic explosion? My question is: who was brave enough to hold a match to the crack in the Earth.


/and did it smell

72 Tigger2005  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:49:52pm

re: #65 Bob in Breckenridge

If you think Tunguska is scary, check something close to home, the Yellowstone Caldera, which erupts about every 600,000 years, and last erupted 640,000 years ago. When it erupts again, and it will, it'll bury the USA and Canada in 6 feet of ash.

But that'll make for great topsoil later!

73 justdanny  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:50:52pm

re: #70 jcm
I can see several of what look like smaller impact points in the area. The major one I see is 1000 feet E to W and 700 feet N to S. Still nothing like what is scattered all over NC and SC. Of course what happened here happened much longer ago.

74 So?  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:51:02pm

re: #72 Tigger2005

But that'll make for great topsoil later!

Yes, when Yellowstone blows, say goodbye to many a state.

75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:52:22pm

re: #65 Bob in Breckenridge

If you think Tunguska is scary, check something close to home, the Yellowstone Caldera, which erupts about every 600,000 years, and last erupted 640,000 years ago. When it erupts again, and it will, it'll bury the USA and Canada in 6 feet of ash.

So it could erupt in the next 5 minutes or 10,000 years. Nothing I can do about it, so I really cant worry about it.

76 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:54:28pm

re: #71 So?

Isn't there a new theory about a huge release of methane gas that caused a gigantic explosion? My question is: who was brave enough to hold a match to the crack in the Earth.


/and did it smell

7. Methane release. Could farting cows destroy the human race? Don’t be silly, of course not. However the continental shelves contain vast amounts of methane stored in frozen methyl hydrate deposits. How stable are these deposits? Again, no one really knows, but it has been speculated that a minor increase in the ocean’s temperatures might do the trick. And if it happened all at once, things like breathing would be a problem for awhile. It’s been speculated that some of Earth’s mass extinctions were indeed caused by this type of event, research continues.

77 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:54:32pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So it could erupt in the next 5 minutes or 10,000 years. Nothing I can do about it, so I really cant worry about it.

I know. I only posted it because most Americans aren't even aware of it.

/Shit, now I have everyone (except you) worried.

78 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:55:22pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So it could erupt in the next 5 minutes or 10,000 years. Nothing I can do about it, so I really cant worry about it.

Wrong attitude, dude. You need to worry. But Obama will save you!
/

79 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:55:34pm
Dr Ray Stantz: Are you okay?
Louis: Who are you guys?
Dr Ray Stantz: We're the Ghostbusters.
Louis: Who does your taxes?
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, Mr. Tully, you are a most fortunate individual.
Louis: I know!
Dr Ray Stantz: You have been a participant in the biggest interdimensional cross rip since the Tunguska blast of 1909!
Louis: Felt great.
Dr. Egon Spengler: We'd like to get a sample of your brain tissue.
Louis: Okay.

/who ya gonna call?

80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:56:42pm

re: #78 jcm

Wrong attitude, dude. You need to worry. But Obama will save you!
/

I'm more worried that Obama will try and save me.

81 justdanny  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:57:45pm

From Elgoog Earth community=

A violent explosion that took place over the valley of the Stony Tunguska river, in central Siberia, at 7.17 a.m. local time (0h 17m 11s U.T.), on June 30, 1908, with the epicenter at 0º55' N, 101º57' E [13]. This location is in the central Siberian area of Russia, about 1,000 km north of the town of Irkutsk and Lake Baikal. The event is now widely attributed in the astronomical community to the detonation of icy material from a comet in the Earth's atmosphere. The blast, which stripped or felled trees out to a radius of 40 km, burned reindeer to death, and sent the tents of nomads flying through the air, was preceded by the observed passage across the sky of a dazzling blue bolide, said to be almost as bright as the Sun, trailing a column of dust. The explosion registered at seismic stations across Eurasia, and produced fluctuations in atmospheric pressure strong enough to be detected by the recently invented barographs in Britain. Over the next few weeks, night skies over Europe and western Russia glowed brightly enough for people to read by. In the United States, the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory and the Mount Wilson Observatory observed a decrease in atmospheric transparency that lasted for several months. The size of the blast was later estimated to be between 10 and 15 megatons.

info Overlay originally created by blt

82 Tigger2005  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 5:59:17pm

re: #79 Killian Bundy

/who ya gonna call?

One of the funniest most quotable movies EVER.

83 jcm  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 6:00:10pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm more worried that Obama will try and save me.

LOL! So true.

84 kansas  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 6:01:18pm

re: #34 rawmuse

To me, this is the real meaning of "God fearing".
We mortals, we humans, we think we got it all figured out, lately.
We are so arrogant, we think we can control the weather, for the love of Pete.
What an complete absurdity.
We got nothing.
One delicate blast out of God's nostrils and we are toast.
Just sayin'

God's nostrils?

85 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 6:04:06pm

re: #84 kansas

In a manner of speaking...

86 justdanny  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 6:05:05pm

0% battery remaining. Peace ya'll.

87 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 6:31:23pm
88 kuchuklambat  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 7:47:04pm

a Tesla test you mean? Excelllent suggestion, didn't he almost wreck his apartment building by pushing it with resonance frequency?
I say it was drunken alien teenagers taking dad's spaceship for a spin and skidding out with a bit of impact in our galaxy. That thing ("reflector" from the linked page) under lake Cheka is probly their rear view mirror or something.

89 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 7:50:33pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

It is only dumb luck that a similar event has not destroyed a whole city in historical times.
The scary and fascinating thing is that it could happen literally any second.

Had the Tunguska event occured six hours later, it would have been directly over St Petersburg.

90 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 7:54:57pm

re: #54 jcm

More likely a comet, mostly ice. Fragmenting on atmospheric entry. Lots of energy involved, mass and velocity converted to energy very quickly.

That's why no actual extraterrestrial debris has ever been found, or any real* impact crater, either. In fact, the first Russian expedition to the site was to look for meteoric iron.

*I have my doubts that the University of Bologna theory will hold up.

91 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:29:01pm
One hundred years ago today, a large object entered the Earth’s atmosphere and exploded over a remote area of Siberia with a force greater than 1,000 Hiroshima A-bombs; if it had happened in a populated region, there could have been millions dead: Fire in the sky: Tunguska at 100.

In the last century the Earth has been struck (1908), Jupiter has been struck by a comet (1994), and Mars had a near miss with an asteroid last year. Our solar system is a violent place and humanity needs to get all its eggs out of this little blue basket.

As Carl Sagan wryly noted "There are two types of civilizations in our universe: Those that are spacefaring and those that will soon be extinct."

But I'm sure all the liberals among us would prefer we call off space exploration and spend that money on all the soft, moral necessities of the nanny state. Free health care, after school programs, government sudsidized bike baths, affordable day care, etc.

All of which will be wonderful until the next fire in the sky.

92 Macker  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 8:37:39pm

re: #69 Tigger2005

If you find it a few years in advance, you could send a rocket loaded with a nuclear warhead or two try to shift its path a fraction. A slight change in trajectory early on will cause it to swing wide of us later.

You know who'll bitch about that.

93 sammysdad  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:08:10pm

Just to add another fact:

Comets travel much faster than meteors.

So...hah

94 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 9:16:17pm

re: #93 sammysdad

Just to add another fact:

Comets travel much faster than meteors.

So...hah

Heh. Most of the comets I've seen were slugs with a six-cylinder engine. Some meteors, you could get them with the 390 V8, and they moved out real good.

95 tommygum  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:25:43pm

UFO blew up. I really believe that.

96 angst  Mon, Jun 30, 2008 11:59:39pm

re: #32 jcm

Near Earth Object Program.

Didn't they say they wanted to have all the NEO's identified by 2010? I believe they are now only forecasted to have half done by then. The easy half, of course.

re: #65 Bob in Breckenridge

If you think Tunguska is scary, check something close to home, the Yellowstone Caldera, which erupts about every 600,000 years, and last erupted 640,000 years ago. When it erupts again, and it will, it'll bury the USA and Canada in 6 feet of ash.

And the rest of the world will really wish there was such a thing as global warming. There's evidence that of these Yellowstone events nearly ended the human race (or our ancestors) once already. Supervolcano is required watching for science classes in the schools around here. I think it's kind of mean of the teachers, personally. It's not fun watching your town being buried in ash!

re: #21 jcm

Predicting Apophis' Earth Encounters in 2029 and 2036

Named by a couple of Stargate fans, BTW. For obvious reasons.

97 bill shears  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 3:04:33am

If Tunguska's the 100-year asteroid or comet, then we're due.

98 bill-tb  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 5:47:28am

Poof, and all the lizards will be gone. Do we have lizards in Siberia?

The Universe is a very violent place. Just remember, glacial ice ages come in cycles, Interglacial periods, like the Holocene period we are in now, lasts about 12,000 years. Earth is over-due for the next glacial cycle. Gaia groupies will not be happy.

99 CLLRusso  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 10:24:35am

re: #97 bill shears

If Tunguska's the 100-year asteroid or comet, then we're due.

Maybe not. Is it written somewhere that every 100 years the earth is hit by something devastating?

100 Sacred Plants  Tue, Jul 1, 2008 12:15:01pm

The probability that a cosmic catastrophy hitting a civilization during the vulnerable millennia of planetary unification will be interpreted as an act of war which does trigger it to destroy itself approaches 1. Which is especially remarkable since before and after it, which means for most of the lifetime of that civilization, it does approach 0.


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