They only realize that now? How long has LGF's Reuters counter been on the sidebar?

So what the AP is saying is "make up your own fake stories" and stop using ours for free

Wouldn't want to be able to show their bias by quoting their material now would we?

That's right Zionist oppressors,

we're watching you!

Yes, go and write your own fiction.

Blog Brother is Watching!

re: #6 jcm

Blog Brother is Watching!

Nice one!

re: #6 jcm

Blog Brother is Watching!

He likes to watch.

ot but funny
Subject: Gunshot survivor

Linda Burnett, 23, a resident of San Diego, was visiting her in-laws
and while there went to a nearby supermarket to pick up some groceries.
Several people noticed her sitting in her car with the windows rolled up and with her eyes closed, with both hands behind the back of her head.

One customer who had been at the store for a while became concerned and walked over to the car. He noticed that Linda's eyes were now open, and she looked very strange. He asked her if she was okay, and Linda replied that she had been shot in the back of the head, and had been holding her brains in for over an hour.

The man called the paramedics, who broke into the car because the doors were locked and Linda refused to remove her hands from her head. When they finally got in, they found that Linda had a wad of bread dough on the back of her head. A Pillsbury biscuit canister had exploded from the heat, making a loud noise that sounded like a gunshot, and the wad of dough hit her in the back of her head.

When she reached back to find out what it was, she felt the dough and thought it was her brains. She initially passed out, but quickly
recovered.

Linda is a blonde, a Democrat, and an Obama supporter - but that could just be a coincidence............

This will be the MSM's last gasp, before they go under - fielding armies of lawyers, to try to sue their way back to profitability.

Good luck with that.

I don't suppose you could defeat the system by using the old spammers tricks:

Mugab3 wa5 att3nd1ng an Afr1can Un!0n summ!t !n th!s R3d S3a res0rt aft3r cla1m!ng v!ct0ry 5unday !n a run0ff 3lect!on...

Does that mean I have to get dressed before logging on now?

re: #4 HugoChavez

That's right Zionist oppressors,

we're watching you!

HC,
your linky no worky.

Would someone, ahem Charles, be able to block this Attributor. Just to see if they could do it, ya'know.

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

re: #2 Shug

Worse, they're saying to you, "please stop analyzing our fake news stories for accuracy."

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Does AP seem to be delusional, or is it just me? They seem to think they are the only news source on the planet, and therefore anyone and everyone will be controlled by this.

But they seem to be forgetting that there are other sources of information and news, and we don't have to use AP at all.

Silly corporation. And I would say that it's "not-for-profit" status sounds rather dubious, to be honest, if they are spending big bucks on a program like this.

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

and at the same time can you redirect the attributor to porn sites ?

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

No, Drudge Retort. Different site.

AP has devolved into opinion pieces anyway, just like most all big media. Actual reporting is so rare they wouldn't know it if they Attributed it.

re: #15 Charles

But, why do that when all the AP gives us is a bunch of Palestinian "activists/firemen" swarming cars?

What is at issue here isn't the use of "copyrighted" material, it is the fair use of material that needs a magnifying glass applied to it.

They should change their name from Associated Press to Associated Progressives.

Anyone foresee a time in the not to distant future where bloggers are sued, the MSM gets a token victory, and then go down the tubes anyway? Kinda like the music business?

re: #12 Typicalwhitey

Does that mean I have to get dressed before logging on now?

Damn, you have to be dressed now? I'll be right back.

Associated Attributors.

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

I think they were referring to the Drudge Retort

The AP isn't the only one who is watching what gets posted on blogs. This from the SANS NewsBytes:

STATISTICS, STUDIES & SURVEYS
--Blogger Arrests on the Rise
(June 16, 2008)
The most recent World Information Access (WIA) report, an annual report from the University of Washington, found that 64 people have been arrested since 2003 for blogging about their personal opinions about their governments or human rights abuses. There were 36 arrests for blogging on political issues in 2007; three times higher than the previous year's figure. More than half of the 64 arrests were made in just three countries -- China, Egypt, and Iran -- although bloggers have also been arrested in the US, the UK, France and Canada. The average prison sentences for those arrested was 15 months.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
[Link: www.wiareport.org...]

If they could search your brain to see if you read the article, they'd look there too, and then charge your master card if you spoke more than a few words of it to someone else.

This is not "free" speech.

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

Given Matt Drudge's apparent affinity for Obama recently, I can see where they'd get that impression.

I hope this tidbit convinces more blogs to join the boycott. Drudge Retort is just the beginning.

Automatic eye roll when AP is mentioned in our house.

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

No- it's Retort- with a T.

Aren't these fools the first ones to publicize government anti-terrorist spy programs as unethical?

Wait!

I've been chosen to win 2 free ipods!

YES!

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

It's not Matt, although I agree with your take.

McCain is in Indianapolis now complaining about the Supreme Court decision on Capital Punsment for rapists of chidren.
Ok, but he did not support Alittos appointment. Hmmm

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

Given Matt Drudge's apparent affinity for Obama recently, I can see where they'd get that impression.

What's up with that anyway?

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

That was the line that jumped out at me.

re: #16 taylork

Liberal leaning Drudge Report?!?!?! Yeesh, these people can't even keep straight what bnames they're calling people anymore.

He promotes Obama. How would you describe him?

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

Unless it has the stegosaurus.

Er, steganography. It's tougher, but that should survive a simple compression change.

Let's say they have a legitimate interest in enforcing copyrights on full pictures and articles, but should also pursue this by offering reasonable license fees.

re: #38 VegasRick

What's up with that anyway?

He must have the leg tingle, like Matthews

re: #26 opnion

Damn, you have to be dressed now? I'll be right back.

Yes I took that "compressed picture" comment from Charles personally.
Do these jammie pants make me look fat?
Don't be afraid to answer.............

PEOPLE! It's not that Drudge. It's ReTort- with a T!

just this morning I scanned an article from the local paper and emailed it to some friends. I did not credit the source. Come and get me.

I don't rehash AP stories on my blog. I do what they don't do--expose the utter depravity of the left with my handy little camera..

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Yes I took that "compressed picture" comment from Charles personally.
Do these jammie pants make me look fat?
Don't be afraid to answer.............

Husky, not fat.

re: #39 JamesTKirk

It says Drudge Retort, not Drudge Report.

Apparently, that "t" didn't jump out at you.

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Yes I took that "compressed picture" comment from Charles personally.
Do these jammie pants make me look fat?
Don't be afraid to answer.............

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

Perhaps re-sizing it.

Also, my understanding is that if you deliberately alter a photograph (not just by resizing it, but by fauxtography-like adding or removing something) you could be considered "commenting" on it, or using it for satire, putting the image under "fair use".

More broadly, all of these scanning techniques can be defeated fairly easily with the appropriate encryption or editing techniques. Anyone who is seriously interested in lifting content can beat these scans in a heartbeat.

The question being, is the usual internet blog "cut and paster" going to bother doing that? Probably not.

The AP may scare the "little guy" by doing this, but if they're trolling for actual dollars, they're unlikely to get any this way.

Its not rocket science.

or

re: #44 Sharmuta

PEOPLE! It's not that Drudge. It's ReTort- with a T!

Does Matt like Obama?

re: #35 Ben Hur

Aren't these fools the first ones to publicize government anti-terrorist spy programs as unethical?

Wait!

I've been chosen to win 2 free ipods!

YES!

You know, I'll be happy to help you take one of those off your hands.

re: #47 VegasRick

Husky, not fat.

You are not married are you Vegas?

They hate the internet with so much venom.
They can't stand it that the truth is getting out and we do not depend on their words as gospel.

re: #24 Sharmuta

They should change their name from Associated Press to Associated Progressives.

Annoying Progressives.

There's another variation but I'm trying to be polite today.

(And with a splint on the left arm I'm also stuck typing with one hand.)

re: #52 vxbush

You know, I'll be happy to help you take one of those off your hands.

He will need your bank account number and a small upfront amount as earnest money. The iPods will be shipped to you from Nigeria.

World Net Daily is mining the Obama blog now too:

Marixists, etc, for Obama

re: #46 NoSubmission

I don't rehash AP stories on my blog. I do what they don't do--expose the utter depravity of the left with my handy little camera..

I'm so glad I'm currently in Texas.

re: #41 itellu3times,

We should pay them what it's worth. Given that we usually quote them to mock them, I'm thinking not very much.

re: #53 Typicalwhitey

You are not married are you Vegas?

I am, but my wife is deaf.
/

re: #51 debutaunt

I could care less what Matt Drudge thinks or who he's supporting, but I have to say that the website under discussion here is not Matt's. After the first post about this topic I went and looked up the Drudge ReTort, and it's a completely different site. Just tryin' to keep it accurate.

re: #60 VegasRick

LOL

re: #15 Charles

I am trying to remember the name of the technology, but terrorists around the time of 9/11 would embed messages in digital photos by simply altering pixels by a given number of bits. You could then diff the two files and get a string of values that would essentially give you a character string.

IIRC, the FBI then developed some software to crawl for pictures and build a library of variants, looking for the messages. So I would guess, given what our friends in law enforcement are able to do, you could build a library of compressed variants and come up with candidates for human inspection.

A lot of work though - it is one thing when the incentive is protecting the country, another when it is shaking down bloggers for change out of the tip jar.

re: #40 debutaunt

He promotes Obama. How would you describe him?

Idiot.

re: #56 OldLineTexan

He will need your bank account number and a small upfront amount as earnest money. The iPods will be shipped to you from Nigeria.

Ben Hur would never do that to a fellow lizard!

re: #58 DeathtotheSwiss

I'm so glad I'm currently in Texas.

I'm glad I don't live in San Francisco!

re: #50 looking closely

Perhaps re-sizing it.

Also, my understanding is that if you deliberately alter a photograph (not just by resizing it, but by fauxtography-like adding or removing something) you could be considered "commenting" on it, or using it for satire, putting the image under "fair use".

Also, I'd imagine that if you simply cropped an AP image, you could be left with "fair use" bits.

I don't know if there is case law/precedent on how much you could use, but I think AP would be on shaky ground litigating this, because doing so could set a precedent it doesn't like.

re: #57 Ojoe

World Net Daily is mining the Obama blog now too:

Marixists, etc, for Obama

CAIR calls World Net Daily, the most unIslamic publication in America.
They must really throw the truth around a lot

Here are some snippets bound to be tagged as taken straight from AP articles..

Spokeman for the Islamic civil rights group CAIR said that..

Meanwhile rocket attacks from Gaza threatened a fragile truce..

Noting that the source of the tension was European Islamophobia...

Well all, off to do chores.
BBL.
If anyone sees Realwest, please tell him I said "Hi".
Thanks.

Next on deck in Attribtor's labs? The AP Bias Scanner!

/uh...nevermind.

re: #61 Sharmuta

I could care less what Matt Drudge thinks or who he's supporting, but I have to say that the website under discussion here is not Matt's. After the first post about this topic I went and looked up the Drudge ReTort, and it's a completely different site. Just tryin' to keep it accurate.

I apologize for making you pull your hair out. I was thinking about the way Matt has gone off the deep end.

re: #51 debutaunt

Does Matt like Obama?

It's hard to tell. I have noticed glowing pictures of Obama on the Drudge Report (different than the Drudge Retort mentioned in the article) and dowdy pictures fo Hillary and McCain.

However, I shall say this. Drudge missed most of the Rezko Trial, and when he did mention it (twice that I could see), it was buried further down on the page while a more glowing article toward Obama was promoted higher on the page.

The AP is going to go the way of the MPAA and find their rears in court with cases they are not going to win. And thus kill off more of the press.

Must be that Intelligent Design stuff in reverse!

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

Read it carefully - it is Drudge Retort, which is a stalker site against Drudge.

re: #70 Typicalwhitey

Well all, off to do chores.
BBL.
If anyone sees Realwest, please tell him I said "Hi".
Thanks.

See ya!

re: #6 jcm

Blog Brother is Watching!

Or perhaps as their ongoing evolution into the "Media KGB". They lost the first battle for control of information and opinion. This is Round Two, using the lawyers to gain what their product could not.

It's going to be a Gordonian's Knot-
Once the fight over who wrote what first, and who owns what information, is introduced in courts, then this situation will tie itself into an tangeled mess. So many media groups are accustomed to stealing from bloggers(some of which, steal from other bloggers). They'll be pulling "time-stamp" evidence off the internet, yet we've seen many inconvienent posts "thrown down the memory hole". Should get very messy.

Will big media end up killing off more readers, and thereby, put the final nail in its own coffin?

re: #61 Sharmuta

I could care less what Matt Drudge thinks or who he's supporting, but I have to say that the website under discussion here is not Matt's. After the first post about this topic I went and looked up the Drudge ReTort, and it's a completely different site. Just tryin' to keep it accurate.

But AP isn't.

With a million blogs they could choose from, its not a coincidence they're going after a website that mimics the name of a much more prominent one. They want to create the impression that this is a big deal.

re: #74 TallTexan

The AP is going to go the way of the MPAA and find their rears in court with cases they are not going to win. And thus kill off more of the press.

Must be that Intelligent Design stuff in reverse!

Deevolution!

Then it continually crawls billions of Web sites and blogs, much as Google does when a user launches a search,

Isn't this inaccurate? Google doesn't do the crawling of billions of Web sites every single time someone initiates a search. Google crawls the Web sites ahead of time, once for everybody, and then puts the info into an easily accessible database (that is continually updated, obviously); and when a person does a Google search, Google only needs to query its internal database (which is why it's so fast). It doesn't need to crawl the entire Web each time someone types in a search.

I'm surprised Business Week got this wrong.

I've been studiously trying to avoid picking up AP material and if I do, I try to limit it to a link or passing reference.

Most of their material is lifted from original home-town sources anyway.

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

I'm not so sure. I've had a number of (jpg) pictures I stored on Photobucket removed. I think in some cases it was clearly a news service picture and I had not even renamed it. The 'Ismail Ax' photo is one I clearly remember being removed.

re: #81 VegasRick

Deevolution!

That's good.

re: #15 Charles

Unless I'm missing something, this automated technique of identifying photographs can be defeated simply by resaving a JPEG image, which will recompress it and completely change any bit patterns they're using for identification.

Yes, that is true. I do that all the time (to make the files smaller, generally). But not everybody does. Not everybody is very tech-savvy.

re: #83 JammieWearingFool

I've been studiously trying to avoid picking up AP material and if I do, I try to limit it to a link or passing reference.

Most of their material is lifted from original home-town sources anyway.

Am i wrong or isn't AP a consortium of news sources, kind of like a holding company?

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Yes I took that "compressed picture" comment from Charles personally.
Do these jammie pants make me look fat?
Don't be afraid to answer.............

More like phat.

re: #82 zombie

I cannot be surprised at the incompetence of such organizations.

re: #83 JammieWearingFool

I've been studiously trying to avoid picking up AP material and if I do, I try to limit it to a link or passing reference.

Most of their material is lifted from original home-town sources anyway.

And, they seem to edit the sources a bit. I noticed an article somewhere (trying to remember it off-hand) where the newspaper (on-line) that had it originally had an in-depth article. The AP took it, and sold it to other papers (also on-line), and the article was much abbreviated.

re: #77 Ariana

Will big media end up killing off more readers, and thereby, put the final nail in its own coffin?

Very likely.

It's not hard. All they have to do is be accurate, honest and factual.

What about when the AP takes quotes off blogs?

re: #82 zombie

Yeah I thought that was odd, Wow they trawl billions of websites every time I search for Google News for bus plunges and it only takes 0.09 seconds!

Hollah at yer Cray.

re: #79 looking closely

But AP isn't.

With a million blogs they could choose from, its not a coincidence they're going after a website that mimics the name of a much more prominent one. They want to create the impression that this is a big deal.

And I don't disagree with you in the slightest.

re: #84 EC Marm

I'm not so sure. I've had a number of (jpg) pictures I stored on Photobucket removed. I think in some cases it was clearly a news service picture and I had not even renamed it. The 'Ismail Ax' photo is one I clearly remember being removed.

It may have been detected by a more conventional (and boring) technique, like someone seeing it and reporting it (eg Photobucket doesn't want to get sued).

Well, let this be a lesson to all the bloggers:

GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN NEWS!

Become a citizen journalist!

I have it on good authority it will increase traffic to your site.

re: #50 looking closely

I am not so sure about the ease of busting a more sophisticated scan with a decent datawarehouse behind it.

Pictures are basically gradations. You have a serially sequenced (or can recompose a serial sequence in memory from the source) set of pixels with a certain sequence of gradations pixel to pixel that stay pretty consistent in order for the image to be recognizable.

If you are looking for an exact match then yes - easy to defeat. But if you are to look at things statistically, you should be able to come up with a fairly accurate "picture" of duplicates.

But what would make the process really expensive would be to look for cropped images. A statistical approach based on a gradient would have to assume a common starting point. Finding that point in the reference image could take some time, I suppose.

re: #97 zombie

Well, let this be a lesson to all the bloggers:

GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN NEWS!

Become a citizen journalist!

I have it on good authority it will increase traffic to your site.

Didn't Jayson Blair already try that?

re: #97 zombie

Well, let this be a lesson to all the bloggers:

GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN NEWS!

Become a citizen journalist!

I have it on good authority it will increase traffic to your site.

What would you know about that, you're just a zombie!
/ ;-P

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

A postcard featuring a cute puppy sitting in a policeman's hat advertising a Scottish police force's new telephone number has sparked outrage from Muslims.

Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.

The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards - a black dog sitting in a police officer's hat - has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.

Tayside Police caused uproar in the Muslim community after they released this advertisement featuring police puppy Rebel sitting in a hat

The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.

Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif said: 'My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards.

'It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

I wonder if these are some of the robot swarms that Charles was combatting a while back?
Interesting.

This will bite AP in the end. I always source elsewhere now except for stories where AP is only source, that's pretty darned rare. Their traffic is going to crash, because who wants to deal with crAP if they can avoid it?

re: #97 zombie,

Yes, but you have such interesting flora and fauna to photograph right outside your window, as it were. Not all of us are so fortunate :-)

re: #99 Shug

Didn't Jayson Blair already try that?

He was trying to increase his fiction creds.

Wes Clark, on MSnbc, is tanding by his comments that McCains war experience, does not qualify him to be President.
Like, you know Obamas experince as a Community organizer makes him mega qualified.
Ther is no way that the Obama Campai8gn is not behind this.
This gives Barry a chance to denounce these statements & occupy the moral high ground.

re: #82 zombie

Isn't this inaccurate? Google doesn't do the crawling of billions of Web sites every single time someone initiates a search. Google crawls the Web sites ahead of time, once for everybody, and then puts the info into an easily accessible database (that is continually updated, obviously); and when a person does a Google search, Google only needs to query its internal database (which is why it's so fast). It doesn't need to crawl the entire Web each time someone types in a search.

I'm surprised Business Week got this wrong.

You're correct, they are constantly crawling and updating index files. What I find interesting is how I can post a new blog posting and 15 minutes later be able to find it through Google. I'd like to know how, with the million of blogs out there, they can be that fast.

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

Oh brother.

re: #101 Killian Bundy,

Mohammedans being Mohammedans. They have to seethe about something. It's like, one of the pillars of their faith. Kinda like 'Splodeydopin' and the 72 raisens.

re: #99 Shug

Didn't Jayson Blair already try that?

No, he MADE UP his own news.

I don't mean make up the news.

I don't mean become the story yourself.

I mean choose what you want to investigate and do the reporting yourself.

A growing army of citizen journalists is the MSM's worst nightmare!

re: #109 Iron Fist

If they're breathing, they're seething.

re: #110 zombie

I know what you meant. Just kiddin'

re: #103 Iron Fist

,

Yes, but you have such interesting flora and fauna to photograph right outside your window, as it were. Not all of us are so fortunate :-)

How can you say that? This town is known as The Couch! What could be more exciti....

/snoooore

Well, there's always Dollywood.

Say hello to copyright fair use rules folks. They're your friend.

If you copy material wholesale, that's a potential violation of the owner's copyright.

A fisking - line by line of an entire piece - would not.

A blog post that consists of nothing more than a wholesale cut and paste is likely a violation. A link to that same report wouldn't be a violation.

Photos are a bigger issue - since violations are a whole lot easier. Again, a fisking would be covered under fair use, but simply posting without comment isn't. Satire could be acceptable as well.

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

Man. Lighten up.

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

I have a suggestion as to where the local Muslims can stick their superstitions.

Muslims live by the Leftist bumper sticker slogan "If you're not OUTRAGED, you're not PAYING ATTENTION!"

A puppy...how um..."evil".

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

Geraldine Ferraro, was just on Fox defending McCain from Wes Clark.
It was not nuanced .
The only thing that I take issue with is that she does not believe that the Obama Campaign is supporting this.
Sure they are.

Drudge Retort is still around? Who knew?

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Dogs evolved from camels.

re: #114 Perry,

:-)

How's life treating you? Well, I hope. Yeah, if this city got any more exciting, they could sell it as a sleep aid. OTOH, it beats (no pun intended) having the Folsom Street Fair in your back yard (yeech :-)

re: #103 Iron Fist

,

Yes, but you have such interesting flora and fauna to photograph right outside your window, as it were. Not all of us are so fortunate :-)

There's something going on in every town. There are hundreds of things I could be investigating every day, but I just don't have the time. Even if there were no moonbats on parade, I'd be busy. I can think of ten investigative projects right off the top of my head that I should be doing right now.

re: #98 karmic_inquisitor

I am not so sure about the ease of busting a more sophisticated scan with a decent datawarehouse behind it.
.

Well, I'd imagine given unlimited computing power and time, sure, you could probably find most copies. But consider the amount of material "out there" on the internet, and the number of images the AP puts out every single day.

The question is, if you have to work so hard to find them, is it worth it?

Also, as mentioned above, if you downgrade an image, either by cropping it, or alternatively, by simply reducing it in size and/or resolution, you are likely getting into "fair use" territory.

I can see AP having a legitimate interest in preventing wide-spread violation of high-res images, particularly commercial violation, but they can't stop any use of an image.

re: #115 lawhawk

Say hello to copyright fair use rules folks. They're your friend.

If you copy material wholesale, that's a potential violation of the owner's copyright.

A fisking - line by line of an entire piece - would not.

A blog post that consists of nothing more than a wholesale cut and paste is likely a violation. A link to that same report wouldn't be a violation.

Photos are a bigger issue - since violations are a whole lot easier. Again, a fisking would be covered under fair use, but simply posting without comment isn't. Satire could be acceptable as well.

Thanks. That goes along with what I understand fair use to mean---glad for your expertise.

Reminder to self---don't cut the whole piece to paste.

What a waste of time. What happened to their 'fair use' provisions? I could see all this tech going after appropriated/uncredited material, but correctly cited stuff? Puhleeze.

Unless they aren't liking people pointing out what a morass of sloppy, biased reporting the AP is.... And the answer to that should be to pull up their socks and do some *real* journalism. But I guess I'm an optimist...

I'm just guessing, Lassie reruns are not popular in Muslim society?

re: #90 Honorary Yooper

And, they seem to edit the sources a bit. I noticed an article somewhere (trying to remember it off-hand) where the newspaper (on-line) that had it originally had an in-depth article. The AP took it, and sold it to other papers (also on-line), and the article was much abbreviated.

Well, their material is picked up by pretty much every paper in the country and you'll see the story truncated in a number of ways, likely depending on how much tey use in the print version.

The local rag here, the Star Ledger, is mostly AP crap now in their news section. In other words, it's not worth spending a nickel on it since the "news" is outdated by the time you pick it up the next day.

They do have local bureaus that distribute some original material and they also have bureaus which are pretty much one guy covering national sporting events. A friend of mine used to be on their payroll and strictly covered NFL, NHL and college football/hoops.

Piece of cake job but didn't pay much.

re: #111 Mich-again

If they're breathing, they're seething.

Remember, Independence Day falls on Fatwa Friday this year. Wonder what rants will be at their Friday services.

re: #109 Iron Fist

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Mohammedans being Mohammedans. They have to seethe about something. It's like, one of the pillars of their faith. Kinda like 'Splodeydopin' and the 72 raisens.

A reply came to mind. But it involved goats, their gender, and their physical state. It would likely have been deleted by Charles (All hail our Lizardroid Master!) or Stinky.

re: #130 Honorary Yooper

Remember, Independence Day falls on Fatwa Friday this year. Wonder what rants will be at their Friday services.

What else. Fireworks.

Another (obvious) tip to fledgling bloggers (or developers) on the use of photos - always try to identify the source of a photo you may want to use on your site, and try to contact that source. I found a gorgeous photo of a product that a client of mine wanted to feature for sale on her site. I zipped off an e-mail to the photographer asking for permission to use the photo, and he promptly replied giving me his blessing, and as a bonus extended his permission to use anything in his portfolio, including some stuff he had never published. The only caveat was that I discreetly attribute the photos to him, as the source. Worked out awesomely for everybody involved!

re: #103 Iron Fist

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Yes, but you have such interesting flora and fauna to photograph right outside your window, as it were. Not all of us are so fortunate :-)

I think you mean unfortunate.

re: #105 opnion

Wes Clark, on MSnbc, is tanding by his comments that McCains war experience, does not qualify him to be President.
Like, you know Obamas experince as a Community organizer makes him mega qualified.
Ther is no way that the Obama Campai8gn is not behind this.
This gives Barry a chance to denounce these statements & occupy the moral high ground.

Has anyone asked Mr. Clark exactly what life experiences he thinks DO qualify one to be President?

That would be good for a laugh or ten (especially when applied to current and past Dem candidates. . .Kerry. . .cough. . .)

re: #131 The Other Les

A reply came to mind. But it involved goats, their gender, and their physical state. It would likely have been deleted by Charles (All hail our Lizardroid Master!) or Stinky.

Oh, go ahead. Take a shot!

re: #130 Honorary Yooper

Remember, Independence Day falls on Fatwa Friday this year. Wonder what rants will be at their Friday services.

"blah, blah, death to America, blah, blah, blah."

re: #135 looking closely

Has anyone asked Mr. Clark exactly what life experiences he thinks DO qualify one to be President?

That would be good for a laugh or ten (especially when applied to current and past Dem candidates. . .Kerry. . .cough. . .)

He really can't point to any qualification for Barry, except judgement.
Pretty subjective.

re: #119 opnion

Good for Geraldine.
I hope she sticks around for the whole election ride.
She's showing serious spunk.

Ringo, have you seen this? Looks interesting. Starting in 3 hours:

Title: MILITARYEX GRIM REAPER BOOK SIGNING & U.S. MILITARY CAREER INFO SESSION
START DATE: Tuesday July 01
TIME: 12:00 PM - 3:00 PM
Location Details:
HOLLYWOOD & VINE
Event Type: Press Conference
MILITARYEX Hosts the GRIM REAPER BOOK SIGNING & U.S. MILITARY CAREER INFO SESSION

MILIATARYEX will join the Grim Reaper at her book signing in Hollywood next month.

Grim Reapers will present information regarding the U.S. Military & War Biz, Inc underpaid hit men for hire jobs. Who better than the Grim Reaper to provide insight on government approved gangs, war, violence, death, destruction, dismemberment, discrimination, racism, divorce, addictions, rape, suicide and homicide?

Don't know how close you are to Hollywood, but if you're in the vicinity -- might be worth a shot!

re: #105 opnion

Wes Clark, on MSnbc, is tanding by his comments that McCains war experience, does not qualify him to be President.

I usually don't do OT posts, but as I said on yesterday's thread, I feared this dynamic. The Fox analysts will be recruited carry this triangulation to push the anti-McCain meme deeper into the more dimwitted public mind, and sure enough! It's the new reliable Geraldine Ferraro who IS carrying the Dem water, a few moments ago she was on Fox saying that Dems should reject Clark b/c vets and military will be hurt and should be honored for their special knowledge.

Must have been a master class on triangulation that Clinton was lecturing Obama on the phone yesterday..... and so it goes on.

re: #123 Iron Fist

Well, thanks. Et vous? Sons are my sous chefs this summer, between camps.

I like the pace of this place. But I like slow. The protestors at the Aug 6 Hiroshima thing were making origami storks to hang on the pines, for pete's sake. Dramatic in an elegantly understated way, and entirely irrelevant. Lovely.

re: #136 opnion

Oh, go ahead. Take a shot!

In Hell the billy goats...

re: #134 DeathtotheSwiss,

But moonbats are sooooo cute! Especially when they are outraged! I can't wait for the Democratic Convention. Moonbats from all walks of life, seething for the cameras.

Let the USA see the Dems for what they are.

re: #138 opnion

He really can't point to any qualification for Barry, except judgement.
Pretty subjective.

Subjectively, Barry has s@#t for judgment.

But that's his only criteria?

Clark is just a tool. I don't think its particularly difficult to come up with a list of criteria you would expect to qualify someone to be President.

Assuming the criteria are in any way realistic (ie could be retroactively applied to successful past US Presidents), I don't think you could possibly generate *ANY* set of them that would exclude McCain but include Obama, and I *DO* think the contrary is true.

If elected, Obama would be among the least experienced (if not THE least) President in US history.

re: #125 looking closely

I agree on the "is it worth the time / power" argument. Bloggers will find that threshold and live on it.

As for the fair use argument, I am not sure that resizing or cropping is sufficient for a "fair use" claim. I am by no means expert on copyright law, but I would suppose that one would need to add some content or context of some sort so as to incorporate it into some original work.

From that standpoint, however, I don't know why blogs like Charles' (where he rarely just posts a clip or pic without comment) couldn't make a fair use claim. Especially where he is commenting on the reporting itself, in which case I'd think you'd have an iron clad fair use case.

re: #145 Iron Fist

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But moonbats are sooooo cute! Especially when they are outraged! I can't wait for the Democratic Convention. Moonbats from all walks of life, seething for the cameras.

Let the USA see the Dems for what they are.

The MSM won't let the USA see it.

re: #115 lawhawk

The grey area comes when you post a portion of material - perhaps the lede and several following paragraphs and then provide analysis or critique. You could have a good fair use argument there, but it depends o what you say and how you use it.

This is the route I usually take when posting.

In other instances, I'll post in-line links in the course of my analysis, rather than cut and paste avoiding the copyright issue.

re: #141 zombie

If I had known in advance I could have made it.

Too late now, I'm at work.

If you ever come across anything else that you think I should attend feel free to let me know.

I was just now checking IndymediaLA for anything going on this weekend....I found this Aztlan themed event: The Farce of July.

re: #21 vxbush

No, Drudge Retort. Different site.

Grudge Report.

re: #147 karmic_inquisitor

As for the fair use argument, I am not sure that resizing or cropping is sufficient for a "fair use" claim. I am by no means expert on copyright law, but I would suppose that one would need to add some content or context of some sort so as to incorporate it into some original work.

Taking a snippet of a published text is OK with attribution.
How would taking a snippet of an image be different?

If you were to resize an image from (say) 800kb to 80 kb, you've effectively snipped out 90% of it.

Again, I don't know what the case law on this is, or even if there is any, but I think if AP were to push this, they would likely find themselves on the receiving end of a precedent they really didn't like.

re: #16 taylork

Drudge Retort not Report.

re: #101 Killian Bundy

Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

/NO, NOT A PUPPY!

Next postcard should feature a piglet in a policemen's hat...aww, the religion of peace.

re: #133 Cartman

Agreed! Some of the best images in life are free...
^{I couldn't resist the pun}

Seriously, good photojournalists like ole' Zombie, should be rewarded for their efforts!

re: #146 looking closely

Weasley Clark joins the list of moonbats who are seriously deranged. I bet this guy couldn't run a burger joint.

Hahaha, this is news how? ;)

Regards,
Brian "Property of the AP" L.

re: #157 snapped shot

Hahaha, this is news how? ;)

Regards,
Brian "Property of the AP" L.

:)

Two words:
screen caps.

Will the Attributor flag the AP when it uses Patterico without paying?

re: #43 Typicalwhitey

Yes I took that "compressed picture" comment from Charles personally.
Do these jammie pants make me look fat?
Don't be afraid to answer.............

Built for comfort, not for speed.

/me too

Can we use this "digital fingerprint" thingie to find out who really wrote Walt and Mearsheimer's essay "the Jewish Lobby?"

How about that AP counter?

I know Im late on this one, but here is a big ole brown-eye from all us down here in NZ, just big media

Arrogant Ponces.

?taht ees yeht nac ,sdrawkcab ffuts lleps uoy fi tahw

their "small digital fingerprint" is probably the output of a
hash function. And those have very nice diffusive properties
such that a subtle change-- add one piece of whitespace or
a gratuitous comma-- will produce a vastly different result.

So take AP's content, a little smidge there and all is well.