Today was a good day. I got to play music for 5 hours.

"Never buy anything with a handle. It means work."
--H. Allen Smith

One half of the year, shot to hell already!

What a disconnected day this has been.

Guess I'll make the fifth comment, then.

Whew. i almost got in a debate. close call.

With whom?

It's been a day, I'll agree

this is my FIRST comment today.

(yeah I know i missed it but hey, wtf)

I like Fall so much better than Summer. It's just too damn hot out for me!

Talking to my friend today who owns a micro brewery. He says things are getting dodgy, commodities prices are moving so high so fast, but he can't raise prices to compensate. The business model is unraveling.

And since this thread pretty much matches how my day has gone, I'm outta here.

re: #11 rawmuse

If he lives in Ohio I'll try to get drunk more to help him out.

I'm basically a free marketeer but when it comes to a commodity that is critical to the economic base of our country I believe that the government needs to step in and regulate the speculation in oil.

Thanks for this thread Charles; the last thread was, IMHO degenerating at an accelerating pace (surprise, surprise) not so much over Evolution or Creationism being taught in the Public Schools - which was, iirc, YOU'RE central point - but into the subject of Science generally and folks were getting so scattered in their thinking and their arguments that an truly open thread is like an open window - a breath of fresh air!

Thank god, a sane and quiet thread. Well quiet from all the arguments and stuff.

/can't understand how a thread can remain mostly on topic for over 800 comments and almost 3 hours.

Does this thread have gravity?

re: #12 6pat6

And since this thread pretty much matches how my day has gone, I'm outta here.

They're all busy with a religious debate.

re: #14 jcw46

The gov. is the problem at this point. Ethanol subsidies have taken hops and barley out of production and the farmers are growing more corn.

Is this the tools, gas or beer thread?

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

Does this thread have gravity?

Well I hope it has more gravitas than downstairs.

Then I shall make a 'sane and quiet' exit, for the moment...

Bangkok is intermittently rainy, heavily overcast, muggy but cool, and my work is finished downtown.

BBIAW... as the Execrable Dr K
bwahahaha!

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

Perhaps not because it's density is too low yet.

"Defy the law of gravity; SMILE!"

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

But...gravity does not exist.

re: #13 Neo Con since 9-11

It is called Gordon Biersch, and it is a fine brewery/restaurant franchise.

re: #20 Cheeseland

Is this the tools, gas or beer thread?

Yes, yes, and yes. And if we're lucky it may become a boob thread too.

Nah, the Boob just ducked out! :D

Wow, looks like I missed an "interesting" previous thread!Guess it was about evolution. All I can say is some how I got here. Think God,and my parents, had something to do with it and I am greatful to them both!

re: #18 BigJohn

They're all busy with a religious debate.

I stay out of that shit anymore. That lasr real big one we had a couple of months back just pissed me off to mo end. It's not worth the asspain. I believe what I believe, and if folks can't deal with that, screw them.

re: #7 6pat6
Think Christmas!

re: #10 6pat6

I like Fall so much better than Summer. It's just too damn hot out for me!

Know what you mean. Hit 110° this afternoon, but it's down to 100° now.

lotta page views today eh?

re: #25 rawmuse

It is called Gordon Biersch, and it is a fine brewery/restaurant franchise.

I love Gordon Biersch, but gas prices have eaten up my eating out budget.

Oh, yeah, I'm back. Couldn't stay away this evening. I did not even visit the previous thread.

re: #19 rawmuse

I agree however the current price of oil is out of sync with the actual supply because of speculators essentially betting that the price will go higher and making money when the panic they've instigated actually does drive the price higher. I also believe that foreign and domestic enemies of the USA are purposely doing this to harm this country.

re: #30 beachkatie

re: #30 beachkatie

Think Christmas!

Only, what, 169 more shopping days left?

re: #1 rawmuse

Today was a good day. I got to play music for 5 hours.

cool!

I got to wait all day for my truck to be fixed, so I can actually get back to my job sites tomorrow.

Bet your day was better than mine!

But God created the universe, the sun and moon, the earth, the animals and man in 6 days. He said so.................

re: #36 6pat6
Christmas in July! My birthday month!

I will leave now.

re: #20 Cheeseland

Is this the tools, gas or beer thread?

I'm getting ready for the 4th. I say it is a Whiskey thread.

Has anyone read "The Deniers" be Lawrence Solomon?
It is a pretty good smackdown of Goreacle's global warming hysteria.

re: #38 A Kiwi Infidel

Please don't go there, here. That's the previous thread, yes?

[ducks, runs for cover]

re: #35 jcw46

Concur your analysis, JCW! I sit here weekday mornings, editing stuff from Reuters and Bloomberg wires, and that dysjunct, that disconnect between supply and price, gives every appearance of being speculator-driven!

Wanna kneecap some speculators, dang it!

re: #40 A Kiwi Infidel

Why!

re: #43 6pat6

Please don't go there, here. That's the previous thread, yes?

I'm having a wind-up. Please laugh.......go on.

Beachkatie, July is my Birthday month also! July 30. My son was born on July 31. Both of us are stanch Republicans!

re: #39 beachkatie

Happy Birthday sometime this moth, beachkatie!

re: #40 A Kiwi Infidel
Promises, promises...

re: #47 A Kiwi Infidel

I'm having difficulty doing that tonight, sorry.

PIMF not sure what a "stanch" Republican is but we are staunch ones also!

re: #46 beachkatie

Why!

Yeah, you're right. When you toss in a grenade should really hang around for the bang.

But look, I havent pulled the pin.........Oh, oh, that is the pin.......doh

re: #52 nigella

Stops the bleeding.

re: #52 nigella

PIMF not sure what a "stanch" Republican is but we are staunch ones also!

That's New York for staunch.

Guess it's a bit of a blue funk, just a not-so-good day.

re: #48 nigella
July 16 here ! I'm a catholic... Feast of our Lady of mount Carmel!

A woman walks into a veterinarian's waiting room dragging a wet rabbit on a leash. The rabbit obviously does not want to be there.

"Sit, Fluffy!" she says. Fluffy glares at her, and sopping wet, jumps up on another customer's lap, getting water all over him.

"I said sit, now there's a good Fluffy," says the woman, slightly embarrassed.

Fluffy, wet already, squats in the middle of the room and urinates. The woman, mortally embarrassed, shouts, - "Darn it, Fluffy, will you be good?!"

Fluffy then starts a fight with a Doberman and pursues it out of the office. As the woman leaves to go after it, she turns to the rest of the flabbergasted customers and says:

"Please pardon me... I just washed my hare, and can't do a damn thing with it!"

re: #51 6pat6

I'm having difficulty doing that tonight, sorry.

Whats your time, at the mo?

re: #34 6pat6

Oh, yeah, I'm back. Couldn't stay away this evening. I did not even visit the previous thread.

I was trying to talk advanced physics to people that considered me to be a newbie idiot.

Fun for my, not sure I changed their mind about my abilities.

Who cares? after all I'm just contrasting pixels on the background of their screens...

A "stanch" Republican? Sounds like one is being put into a recipe or something.

Late evening. Just about bedtime, but I'm not all that tired.

re: #58 Dustyvet

I'm going to pretend I didn't laugh at that.
In fact, I'm going to pretend I didn't even read it.

re: #35 jcw46

I had a great discussion with a patient today who works with someone across the pond.

More or less, they sell off bank debt.

He seemed very knowledgeable about energy, and the current situation.

It was great to get what appeared to be an informed opinion about the subject.

re: #52 nigella

I don't know about Republicans but conservatives usually try to "stanch" the bleeding caused by feckless liberals.

re: #61 6pat6
I love that recipe!

Beachkatie, I was raised Catholic, and went to Catholic school. Both of our Children also went to Catholic school. Guess you could call me a non-practicing Catholic. When the Church went into it's Hootenanny mode they lost me. Unfortunately not Conservative enough for me.

re: #63 wolfie

I'm going to pretend I didn't laugh at that.
In fact, I'm going to pretend I didn't even read it.

Well, a laugh is a laugh, as weak as it may be. Did 6pat6 get even a slight chuckle out of that?

re: #63 wolfie

I'm going to pretend I didn't laugh at that.
In fact, I'm going to pretend I didn't even read it.

NEWS FLASH

Latest news reports advise that a cell of 4 terrorists has been operating in one of the neighborhoods in Cleveland, Ohio.

Police advised earlier today that 3 of the 4 have been detained.

Police Officials have detained the following terrorists on civil unrest issues:
1: Bin Sleepin
2: Bin Drinkin
3: Bin Fightin

The Police advise further that they can find no one fitting the description of the fourth cell member, Bin Workin, anywhere in the neighborhood.

Police are very confident that anyone who looks like Bin Workin will be very easy to spot in the community. No further information available.

END OF NEWS FLASH
(Pillaged from the Cleveland Browns forums).
[Link: www.clevelandbrowns.com...]

Stanch Republicans are good in an emergency.

I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.

Anybody wanna buy some?

re: #66 beachkatie
God help us all , we need a real Republican!

re: #69 Dustyvet

LOL.

re: #71 lummox

Trade you some body thetans.

re: #63 wolfie

Wimp. :)

/likes a good pun ever now and then.

re: #69 Dustyvet

Are you sure that was Cleveland?!?! :)
Sounds like right up here in the mountains!

I hope you all forgive me for my spelling mistakes.I am a computer novice.Also I had two of my grandkids today. Ages four and two. Love them dearly but they can really wear you down!

re: #74 jaunte

I got some of those this week!

If you know any Obamatons who insist that Wesley Clark made a valid point on McCain, ask them to read this account from the very "progressive" magazine The Nation.

Wes Clark had three different subordinate commands refuse his orders in Kosovo in order to "prevent World War 3".

Excerpt.

On June 12, 1999, in the immediate aftermath of NATO's air war against Yugoslavia, a small contingent of Russian troops dashed to occupy the Pristina airfield in Kosovo. Clark was so anxious to stop the Russians that he ordered an airborne assault to confront these units--an order which could have unleashed the most frightening showdown with Moscow since the end of the Cold War. Hyperbole? You can decide. But British General Michael Jackson, the three-star general and commander of K-FOR, the international force organized and commanded by NATO to enforce an agreement in Kosovo, told Clark: "Sir, I'm not starting world war three for you," when refusing to accept his order to prevent Russian forces from taking over the airport. (Jackson was rightly worried that any precipitous NATO action could risk a confrontation with a nuclear- armed Russia and upset the NATO-led peacekeeping plan just getting underway with the withdrawal of Serbian forces from Kosovo.)

After being rebuffed by Jackson, Clark, according to various media reports at the time, then ordered Admiral James Ellis, the American in charge of NATO's southern command, to use Apache helicopters to occupy the airfield. Ellis didn't comply--replying that British General Jackson would oppose such a move. Had Clark's orders been followed, the subsequent NATO- negotiated compromise with the Russians--a positive element in the roller- coaster relationship between Moscow and Washington, which eventually incorporated Russian troops into peacekeeping operations--might well have been undermined.

In the end, Russian reinforcements were stopped when Washington persuaded Hungary, a new NATO member, to refuse to allow Russian aircraft to fly over its territory. Meanwhile, Jackson was appealing to senior British authorities, who persuaded Clinton Administration officials--some of whom had previously favored occupying the airport--to drop support for Clark's hotheaded plan. As a result, when Clark appealed to Washington, he was rebuffed at the highest levels. His virtually unprecedented showdown with a subordinate subsequently prompted hearings by the Armed Forces Services Committee, which raised sharp questions about NATO's chain of command.

Who is Wesley Clark to tell us what constitutes sound decision making in a crisis? Clark maintains that his rank and experience allows people like him to make wartime decisions, whereas McCain might as well be a civilian.

re: #58 Dustyvet

A woman walks into a veterinarian's waiting room dragging a wet rabbit on a leash. The rabbit obviously does not want to be there.

"Sit, Fluffy!" she says. Fluffy glares at her, and sopping wet, jumps up on another customer's lap, getting water all over him.

"I said sit, now there's a good Fluffy," says the woman, slightly embarrassed.

Fluffy, wet already, squats in the middle of the room and urinates. The woman, mortally embarrassed, shouts, - "Darn it, Fluffy, will you be good?!"

Fluffy then starts a fight with a Doberman and pursues it out of the office. As the woman leaves to go after it, she turns to the rest of the flabbergasted customers and says:

"Please pardon me... I just washed my hare, and can't do a damn thing with it!"

It must have been this rabit.

**Rrriiiiinnggg, rrriiiingg,**
"Hello?"
"Hi honey
This is Daddy
Is Mommy near the phone?"

"No, Daddy,
She's upstairs in the bedroom with Uncle Paul."

After a brief pause, Daddy says
"But honey, you haven't got an Uncle Paul."

"Oh yes I do, and he's upstairs in the room with Mommy Right now."

---A brief pause....

"Uh, okay then, this is what I want you to do.
Put the phone down on the table, run upstairs
And knock on the bedroom door and shout to Mommy that Daddy's car just pulled into the driveway."

"Okay, Daddy, Just a minute."

A few minutes later
The little girl comes back to the phone.
"I did it, Daddy."

"And what happened, honey?'

"Well, Mommy got all scared, jumped out of bed with no clothes on and ran around screaming. Then she tripped over the rug, hit her head on the dresser And now she isn't moving at all!"

"Oh my God! What about your Uncle Paul?"

"He jumped out of the bed with no clothes on, too.
He was all scared and he jumped out of the back window and into the swimming pool. But I guess he didn't know that you took out the water last week to clean it.

He hit the bottom of the pool and I think he's dead."

*****Long Pause*****
*****Longer Pause*****
*****Even Longer Pause*****
**Then Daddy says,**

"'Swimming pool? ..?"
Is this 486-5731?"

"No, I think you have the wrong number...!"

re: #77 nigella

SAME HERE ! & 7AND 14 ..... JEEEEZZZZZ!

re: #17 Noam Sayin'

Does this thread have gravity?

Gravitas perhaps.

OK, I'm feeling a bit better now.

re: #80 Neo Con since 9-11

That's a good one, too!

re: #80 Neo Con since 9-11

It must have been this rabit.

Or this one.

re: #1 rawmuse
My day was likewise good. Some of my musicians came back home for the summer today. Circle of life kind of stuff.

Beachkatie, and all you other lizards. I appreciate the fact that I can come here and vent, and no one criticizes me for my "short comings".

Barack Obama, the lead Presidential Democratic Party candidate, is for banning all guns in America. He is considered by those who have dealt with him as a bit more than just a little self-righteous.

At a recent rural elementary school assembly in East Texas, he asked the audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in total silence.

Then he said into the microphone, "Children, every time I clap my hands together, a child in America dies from gun violence."

Then, little Richard Earl, with a proud East Texas drawl, pierced the quiet and said: "'Well, dumb-ass, stop clapping!"

re: #88 nigella

Beachkatie, and all you other lizards. I appreciate the fact that I can come here and vent, and no one criticizes me for my "short comings".

We all have them, you know, Just maybe different ones. :)

re: #81 6pat6

I like that.

Heres what I'll do. I will send to Polly and Grant, the Crew on ZMFM and see if I get that on NZ national radio.

And on that note, its goodnite from me, and its goodnite from him.

re: #67 nigella

Beachkatie, I was raised Catholic, and went to Catholic school. Both of our Children also went to Catholic school. Guess you could call me a non-practicing Catholic. When the Church went into it's Hootenanny mode they lost me. Unfortunately not Conservative enough for me.

We're Catholic but I only go to Catholic church 5 or 6 times a year.
We regularly attend an Anglican Catholic Church, which has an old-style Mass in beautiful, Shakespearean English.
The "hootenanny mode," as you put it, sets my teeth on edge.

When the economy tanks and no can afford to purchase fuel will;

a. the oil companies lower the price?
b. the liberals cheer because so many are walking and taking the bus?
c. the world economy go "acckk" and collapse?
d. the '08 Olympics be canceled?
e. obambi claim that wasn't what he meant?
f. mccain's straight talk express get stuck in Nebraska?

Tune in next year to find out what happens in the ongoing struggle between good and evil, life and chaos, earth and algore.

re: #88 nigella

NIGELLA HAVE ALWAYS LIKED YOU!

re: #88 nigella

hey we can't do that. It would be the whole mote-beam thing.

A woman decides to have a facelift for her 50th birthday.
She spends $15,000 and feels pretty good about the results.

On her way home, she stops at a news stand to buy a newspaper.
Before leaving, she says to the man behind the counter , 'I hope you don't mind my asking, but how old do you think I am?'

'About 32,' is the reply.

'Nope! I'm exactly 50,' the woman says happily.


A little while later she goes into McDonald's and asks the counter girl the very same question.
The girl replies, 'I'd guess about 29.'

The woman replies with a big smile, 'Nope, I'm 50.
Now she's feeling really good about herself. She stops in a shop on her way down the street. She goes up to the counter to get some mints and asks the shop girl this burning question.


The girl responds, 'Oh, I'd say 30.'


Again she proudly responds, 'I'm 50, but thank you!'
While waiting for the bus to go home, she asks an old man waiting next to her the same question.
He replies,'I'm 78 and my eyesight is going. Although, when I was young, there was a sure-fire way to tell how old a woman was. It sounds very forward, but it requires you to let me put my hands under your bra. Then, and only then can I tell you EXACTLY how old you are.'
They wait in silence on the empty street until her curiosity gets the best of her. She finally blurts out, 'What the hell, go ahead.'
He slips both of his hands under her blouse and begins to feel around very slowly and carefully. He bounces and weighs each breast and he gently pinches each nipple. He pushes her breasts together and rubs them against each other.
After a couple of minutes of this, she says, 'Okay, okay...How old am I?'
He completes one last squeeze of her breasts, removes his hands, and says, 'Madam, you are 50.'


Stunned and amazed, the woman says, 'That was incredible, how could you tell?'
The old man says, 'Promise you won't get mad?'
'I promise I won't,' she says.






'I was behind you in McDonald's.'

re: #79 karmic_inquisitor

Nice catch!
No moonbat can diss that source!

re: #89 BigJohn

That's a good one for my work!

re: #91 A Kiwi Infidel

Cool!

Two robins were sitting in a tree. "I'm really hungry", said the first one.

"Me, too" said the second. "Let's fly down and find some lunch."

They flew to the ground and found a nice plot of plowed ground full of worms. They ate and ate and ate and ate until they could eat no more.

"I'm so full I don't think I can fly back up to the tree", said the first one.

"Me either. Let's just lay here and bask in the warm sun", said the second.

"OK." said the first.

They plopped down, basking in the sun.

No sooner than they had fallen asleep, a big fat tom cat snuck up and gobbled them up. As he sat washing his face after his meal, he thought,

"I love baskin' robins."

Wow, thanks I feel warm all over....could be the three glasses of wine I had after the Grandkids left......

re: #81 6pat6

Now, THAT was cruel and unusual ! :D

re: #96 realwest

Good one!

re: #102 wolfie

I try.

re: #89 BigJohn

LOL!
Lord, I wish that were true!
But it IS believable !

re: #92 wolfie

wolfie, i found by supernatural circumstances The pious 10th Society .The yr. 1984.. Been there every since! I love it!

A guy pulls a gun and has the bank teller stuff the cash in a bag.
He turns around and asks the fella next in line, "Did you get a good look at me?" "Yes" he's told. BANG! right between the eyes.
He the asks the second man "Did you get a good look?"

>
>
>
>

"No" he replies, ....but my wife here did."

re: #79 karmic_inquisitor

I posted this last night re Clark, k_i-

Shelton created a minor controversy for 2004 Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark, a subordinate to Shelton during the 1999 Kosovo military actions, when he stated: "I will tell you the reason [Clark] came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. […] I'll just say Wes won't get my vote," casting doubt upon the presidential contender's legitimacy.

re: #79 karmic_inquisitor
And I must say I find it extraordinarily amusing that the Clark "worked for" so to speak, Bill Clinton, draft dodger extraordinarre and is pimping for Obama who also has no military experience at all.
Clark is nothing more than a political prostitute, selling what is worth nothing to anyone foolish enough to buy.

re: #96 realwest

:O

lololololololololololololololol

Seriously folks I have to say that when something in the news, or in my everyday life, throws me for a loop, I feel like I can always come here and feel like I'm among friends!'m not just saying that because I am desperate in any way. I live a perfectly normal life with friends and loving family. A good life indeed. You all just make it even better!

re: #111 nigella

Yea, This place rocks.

re: #109 realwest

I always found it remarkable that anyone took Clark seriously enough even to invite on television to give his opinion. He is so transparently for sale.

re: #100 Bob in Breckenridge

ROFL :)
Would you people CUT IT OUT ?!

re: #111 nigella

Seriously folks I have to say that when something in the news, or in my everyday life, throws me for a loop, I feel like I can always come here and feel like I'm among friends!'m not just saying that because I am desperate in any way. I live a perfectly normal life with friends and loving family. A good life indeed. You all just make it even better!

Oh cool. Not only are we lizards, we're icing!

re: #113 jaunte

But he's real cheap.

Diggbats love Wesley Clark. 2844 diggs.

/Hope & Change = character assassination.

re: #111 nigella

Nigella we love you here ! Everyone can speak there mind with no reprisals!

re: #113 jaunte

Remember, Fox News hired him for a while, but they realized what a tool he was and let him go.

re: #113 jaunte

Wesley Clark is a cheap media whore. He was the biggest fuck-up NATO ever had in charge, ever! He was looking to start WWIII, IMO.

re: #106 beachkatie

wolfie, i found by supernatural circumstances The pious 10th Society .The yr. 1984.. Been there every since! I love it!

You are blessed!
Where we are, the choices are limited.

re: #119 Tarkus289

Hey! That comment was on topic!

Ah the joys of e-mail jokes. :)

A young Canadian soldier was attending some college courses between assignments.
He had also completed missions in Afghanistan .

One of the courses had a professor who was a vowed atheist. One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He Looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes."

The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the last couple of minutes when the young soldier got out of his Chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold. The young man went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.

The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the soldier and asked, "What the hell is the matter with! you? Why did you do that?"

Came the reply,
"God was too busy today protecting our soldiers who are protecting your right to talk stupid and act like an asshole. So, He sent me"

re: #107 lummox

I refuse to dignify that with a reply !

beachkatie, thanks for the positive remarks.Great to be here with all of you, well at least most of you,!

re: #93 jcw46 Methinks that the first time a new nuclear reactor is cleared for contruction or the first time a new off-shore drilling rig heads for the coast of California or Florida, OPEC will ensure that the price of oil drops sufficiently far to discourage politicians from their desire for America to be energy independent.

Man, this is a tough room.

BREAKING:

NASA's New Horizons spacecraft passes the orbit of Saturn on its way to a close encounter with Pluto on July 14, 2015.   Actually, it passed Saturn's orbit about a month ago, travelling about 11 miles/sec.   Space is big.

re: #123 BlueCanuck

Excellent.

re: #123 BlueCanuck

That's a good one.

Maybe just a spot of vino before beddy-bye is in order.
mmm

re: #103 6pat6 Thank you very much!
Here's another (repost of my own from this morning's DT):
It's the dead of winter, freezing cold outside, snow all over and a poor hungry and frozen sparrow is sitting alone on a telephone line.
Fella goes by in a horse and sleigh and the horse leaves some "droppings" behind.
Sparrow flies down, finds some kernals of food in the horse manure, which is also fairly warm, eats his fill, flies back up to the telephone line and starts singing loudly cause he's now warm, full and happy!
A hawk flying overhead hears and then see's the sparrow and, well,.......the hawk isn't quite so hungry anymore!
The moral to the story is: when you're full of shit, keep your mouth shut!

re: #125 nigella

Waait a minute. Now you're going to pick and choose? I thought we were ALL icing on the cake! Now I find out I'm just a crumb?

re: #121 wolfie

They are bringing back the mass before 1964 back! Confessions when needed!And the last rites!

re: #126 realwest

Methinks that the first time a new nuclear reactor is cleared for contruction or the first time a new off-shore drilling rig heads for the coast of California or Florida, OPEC will ensure that the price of oil drops sufficiently far to discourage politicians from their desire for America to be energy independent.

Yes, then we can get back to building and buying Hummers!

Yeah, these jokesters are driving me to drink!

re: #127 lummox

Ok, I laughed, I have to say. But my wife is here.

re: #111 nigella
That's because you are among friends here nigella!

re: #136 wolfie

For me that's just a short walk.

Guy wakes up in a hospital after a bad accident.
Says "Doc, I can't feel my legs!"
The doctor says

"Yes, sir, we had to amputate your arms last night..."

re: #131 wolfie

Maybe just a spot of vino before beddy-bye is in order.
mmm

Varietal?

re: #128 Opilio

BREAKING:

NASA's New Horizons spacecraft passes the orbit of Saturn on its way to a close encounter with Pluto on July 14, 2015.   Actually, it passed Saturn's orbit about a month ago, travelling about 11 miles/sec.   Space is big.

Pluto?

Good Night all!

weet dreams.

rw--I resent the email --in case you didn't see that on the last thread.

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

Pluto?

Please don't post the Uranus one next!

re: #127 lummox

I laughed at all the stories. Some because they were so bad they actually were good and some because they were good as is.
Your's included in the latter.

re: #118 beachkatie
Hi there beachkatie - well, let's not get carried away here: if you diss Charles out here, or if you advocate genocide or the killing of a named individual, or post Anti-Semitic ideas or homophobic thoughts, the odds are good you're comment will be deleted and depending on how viscious and personal any attack is, you could easily find yourself banned from LGF.
And all rightfully so.

Jcw46, I didn't mean you, whoever you are .I just meant that some of the occasional trolls would not be in my . In the immortal words of tweek on South Park" I can't take the pressure!" Don't make me choose.........

re: #142 Bob in Breckenridge

How's the fishing in the Blue this year, Bob?

re: #144 Desert Dog

Please don't post the Uranus one next!

LOL!

re: #134 beachkatie

The Church is slowly turning around, I think. They say the younger priests are much more conservative than the baby-boomers.
I know Benedict understands how much we need liturgical reform, how much we need to restore beauty and holiness to the Mass.

re: #139 lummox

LOL :D

re: #131 wolfie

Black Velvet for me please.

re: #123 BlueCanuck
Ah, I really enjoyed that one! Thanks!

A burnette walks into a doctors office and says "Doctor I hurt every where" She then takes her right index finger and pokes her head and says ow, then her stomach, knee, and foot. Each time saying ow.

The doctor looks at her and says you're a blonde aren't you? She says yes, how did you know? He replies your finger is broken.

/had to do it. no blonde jokes yet.

re: #136 wolfie
Some i have to say drive me over the top to ! but i remember God is all merciful!

re: #148 Desert Dog

How's the fishing in the Blue this year, Bob?

I'll assume you mean the Blue river. Not sure. The closest I come to fishing is eating at Red Lobster.

re: #141 RTLM

Varietal?

El cheapo !

re: #156 Bob in Breckenridge

I grew up in Denver, we used to camp and fish up near you all the time - ski and snowmobile in the winter....I miss those mountains.....we do not have the same kind down here in AZ

re: #144 Desert Dog

Please don't post the Uranus one next!

Pupil: Please Sir! Did you hear that scientists have found life on another planet?
Teacher: What are you talking about?
Pupil: They found fleas on Pluto!

re: #146 realwest
Don't care!

re: #140 rawmuse
Argghh! But ROFL!

re: #150 wolfie

The Church is slowly turning around, I think. They say the younger priests are much more conservative than the baby-boomers.
I know Benedict understands how much we need liturgical reform, how much we need to restore beauty and holiness to the Mass.

Though not a Catholic, I've always felt that a Mass said in Latin felt more powerful. Same as with the King James version of the Bible. The contemporary translations just don't get it for me.

re: #143 ggt Thanks a lot ggt!
Have a great night!

re: #140 rawmuse

:D
That is terrible!
Is this a sick joke contest tonight or something?!

Wolfie, I really lost belief in the Catholic Church here, when the Priest at my sons Catholic High School laid into George W. Bush during the 2000 election during an assembly as being the worst candidate and backing Al Gore. That was it for me.Granted, he was later removed to another Diocese, but I couldn't help but feel the Catholic Church had lost it's bearings.

re: #156 Bob in Breckenridge

If you head up towards Kenosha Pass, the Blue River (sometimes) has some awesome fly fishing.....brookies and native browns up there...tasty, tasty, tasty!

re: #154 BlueCanuck

Why are blonde jokes one liners?
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So the men will understand them.

(Told to me by a blonde after about my tenth blonde joke to her).

I miss Colorado.

re: #135 Desert Dog

Yes, then we can get back to building and buying Hummers!

Alas, I fear it will be too late. Look at the totally reactionary manner in which the auto makers (and others) are proceeding! In virtually the short span of roughly two years, everything is being scraped and retooled in response to the rise in energy costs. I don't think there's any turning back, even if the "crisis" is resolved one way or the other in the not-so-distant future. And I'm hedging my bets it will be. Then, everyone will be scratching their heads and wondering how and why lifestyles and customs were literally turned on their heads overnight. Interesting times to come, indeed.

re: #164 wolfie Gee, I sure hope so!

An 85-year-old man was requested by his doctor for a sperm count as part of his physical exam. The doctor gave the man a jar and said, "Take this jar home and bring back a semen sample tomorrow."

The next day the 85-year-old man reappeared at the doctor's office and gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day. The doctor asked what happened and the man explained, "Well, doc, it's like this. First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing.

"Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, then with her left, still nothing. She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, still nothing. We even called up Arleen, the lady next door and she tried too, first with both hands, then an armpit, and she even tried squeezing it between her knees, but still nothing."

The doctor was shocked. "You asked your neighbor?!"

The old man replied, "Yep, none of us could get the jar open."

re: #169 Cartman

And you can make a screamin' deal on just about any pickup or SUV right now! I'm waiting until September or October to possibly get a new(er) pickup.

re: #165 nigella
Not for me! My Parents died in the society 10th'' . The made me fill The after life! The way it used to be before vatican2!

hmmm, I should go through my e-mails more often.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
We had to have the garage door repaired. The Sears repairman told us that one of our problems was that we did not have a "large" enough motor on the opener. I thought for a minute, and said that we had the largest one Sears made at that time, a 1/2 horsepower. He shook his head and said, "Lady, you need a 1/4 horsepower." I responded that 1/2 was larger than 1/4. He said, "NO, it's not." Four is larger than two.."

We haven't used Sears repair since.

IDIOT SIGHTING
My daughter and I went through the McDonald's take-out window and I gave the clerk a $5 bill. Our total was $4.25, so I also handed her a quarter. She said, "you gave me too much money." I said, "Yes I know, but this way you can just give me a dollar bill back." She sighed and went to get the manager who asked me to repeat my request. I did so, and he handed me back the quarter, and said "We're sorry but they could not do that kind of thing." The clerk then proceeded to give me back$1 and 75 cents in change.

Do not confuse the clerks at McD's.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I live in a semi rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the local township administrative office to request the removal of the DEER CROSSING sign on our road. The reason: "Too many deer are being hit by cars out here! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore."

>From Kingman , KS

IDIOT SIGHTING IN FOOD SERVICE:
My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and ordered a taco. She asked the person behind the
counter for "minimal lettuce." He said he was sorry, but they only had iceburg lettuce.
From Kansas City

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?" To which I replied, "If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?" He smiled knowingly and nodded,
"That's why we ask."

Happened in Birmingham , Ala.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged coworker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing driving?!"

She was a probation officer in Wichita , KS

IDIOT SIGHTING:
At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker. She was leaving the company due to "downsizing." Our manager commented cheerfully, "This is fun. We should do this more often." Not another word was spoken. We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare.

This was a lunch at Texas Instruments.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself and for the sake of her life, couldn't understand why her system would not turn on.

A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriffs office, no less.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, w e were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the drivers side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "its open!" His reply, "I know. I already got that side."

This was at the Ford dealership in Canton , Mississippi

STAY ALERT!

They walk among us... and the scary part is that they VOTE and
they REPRODUCE

re: #158 Desert Dog

I grew up in Denver, we used to camp and fish up near you all the time - ski and snowmobile in the winter....I miss those mountains.....we do not have the same kind down here in AZ

I grew up in Phoenix, went to Moon Valley High School. We used to go tubing down the Verde river. God, I loved that and miss it. We have our reunion coming up in a couple of years. I'm hoping to put together a tubing trip like the olden days- Tie all the tubes together, with the cooler containing all the beer, etc. in a tube in the middle.

re: #162 jcw46

Though not a Catholic, I've always felt that a Mass said in Latin felt more powerful. Same as with the King James version of the Bible. The contemporary translations just don't get it for me.

Agreed. Other translations may be better for study, but the KJV or the old Catholic Douai (16th century) version are much better for services or getting the "feel" of things.

re: #172 6pat6

A sound strategy. Speculate to your advantage against all the doom and gloom. Historically, that approach has had a high rate of success.

re: #175 Bob in Breckenridge

I grew up in Phoenix, went to Moon Valley High School. We used to go tubing down the Verde river. God, I loved that and miss it. We have our reunion coming up in a couple of years. I'm hoping to put together a tubing trip like the olden days- Tie all the tubes together, with the cooler containing all the beer, etc. in a tube in the middle.

Too funny, we switched! I grew up in Aurora, CO.....moved here after college........I am taking my nephews (from Colorado) and my older sons down the Salt, Thursday on the tubes.....

Be honest now, do you miss this heat? I've been here since 1986 and I am still not used to it.....

re: #165 nigella

Wolfie, I really lost belief in the Catholic Church here, when the Priest at my sons Catholic High School laid into George W. Bush during the 2000 election during an assembly as being the worst candidate and backing Al Gore. That was it for me.Granted, he was later removed to another Diocese, but I couldn't help but feel the Catholic Church had lost it's bearings.

Oh, I don't blame you. I'd be out the door, too.
Most priests I've run into are very against that kind of politicizing, though.
I hope you wrote or called to complain. We Catholics aren't very good about doing that, are we? But we should......for something like that.

re: #176 wolfie

Agreed. Other translations may be better for study, but the KJV or the old Catholic Douai (16th century) version are much better for services or getting the "feel" of things.

I actually felt a little embarrassed the other day.

I bought the Douay-Rheims version of the Bible for my Amazon Kindle. Not sure why I felt embarrassed. Perhaps those durned "Secular Progressives" who determine coolness got it into my head only Jesus Freaks and such would carry around the Holy Bible.

So just to spite them, I'm carrying around my Little Flower rosary too.

re: #169 Cartman

Well the oil supply is limited however don't get too worried. The same thing happened in the 70's when the first gas crisis hit. Builders came out with a bunch of compacts and subcompacts. (mostly crap! {think Vega, Pinto, etc.}) Then when they fell apart or were total scrap after what should have been a mild fender-bender, people started buying the bigger cars and trucks and thus the SUV and mini-van craze was born.

Big = safer (more metal to protect you).
Big = more room for your stuff/kids/you.
Big = status. (would James bond look cool in a prius? I think not.)

re: #174 BlueCanuck

hmmm, I should go through my e-mails more often.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
We had to have the garage door repaired. The Sears repairman told us that one of our problems was that we did not have a "large" enough motor on the opener. I thought for a minute, and said that we had the largest one Sears made at that time, a 1/2 horsepower. He shook his head and said, "Lady, you need a 1/4 horsepower." I responded that 1/2 was larger than 1/4. He said, "NO, it's not." Four is larger than two.."

We haven't used Sears repair since.

IDIOT SIGHTING
My daughter and I went through the McDonald's take-out window and I gave the clerk a $5 bill. Our total was $4.25, so I also handed her a quarter. She said, "you gave me too much money." I said, "Yes I know, but this way you can just give me a dollar bill back." She sighed and went to get the manager who asked me to repeat my request. I did so, and he handed me back the quarter, and said "We're sorry but they could not do that kind of thing." The clerk then proceeded to give me back$1 and 75 cents in change.

Do not confuse the clerks at McD's.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I live in a semi rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the local township administrative office to request the removal of the DEER CROSSING sign on our road. The reason: "Too many deer are being hit by cars out here! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore."

>From Kingman , KS

IDIOT SIGHTING IN FOOD SERVICE:
My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and ordered a taco. She asked the person behind the
counter for "minimal lettuce." He said he was sorry, but they only had iceburg lettuce.
From Kansas City

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?" To which I replied, "If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?" He smiled knowingly and nodded,
"That's why we ask."

Happened in Birmingham , Ala.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged coworker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing driving?!"

She was a probation officer in Wichita , KS

IDIOT SIGHTING:
At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker. She was leaving the company due to "downsizing." Our manager commented cheerfully, "This is fun. We should do this more often." Not another word was spoken. We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare.

This was a lunch at Texas Instruments.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself and for the sake of her life, couldn't understand why her system would not turn on.

A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriffs office, no less.

IDIOT SIGHTING:
When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, w e were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the drivers side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "its open!" His reply, "I know. I already got that side."

This was at the Ford dealership in Canton , Mississippi

STAY ALERT!

They walk among us... and the scary part is that they VOTE and
they REPRODUCE

And they're all voting for the Obamessiah.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Dan Quayle

The drop in fuel consumption by increasing a truck's fuel efficiency from 15 to 20 mpg is the same as increasing a small car's fuel efficiency from 30 to 60 mpg. Go ahead check my math.

re: #180 vbspurs
It still say's it is healthy to pray for the dead in vatican 2 the rosary!

re: #169 Cartman
Yes, as I mentioned above in #126 I think our "oil crisis" will resolve itself in the not too distant future, if the politicians in fact do the right things to START to make the US energy independent; then the OPEC countries will do what they should have done by now and drop the price of oil like a stone!
However, I have little faith in politicians and feel that the oil shake out and drop in prices is more likely to come about when our allies (loosely applied here to include Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Arab Emirates, as well as GB, France, Japan, and our more "traditional" allies) realize that the weak dollar and the weakening US economy means bad things for us and MUCH WORSE things for them. The other member nations of NATO would actually have to spend a LOT of their GNP on their own defense and the ME states mentioned above realize that the US could not or would not step in should Iran get Frisky the way Hussein did with Kuwait preceding Desert I.
To paraphrase Reggie Jackson on joining the NY Yankees "The American Economy is what stirs the drink of the World's economies."

re: #181 jcw46

Actually that was how Nissan and Toyota got into the North American market. Their compacts were better, more fuel efficeint, and cheaper. Now let's see you gets a jump start on the new hybrid/electric craze.

BTW, just came back from watching "Wanted". Technically superb; in terms of action, without equal so far in 2008. But the storyline is an odd pastiche of Star Wars and the Matrix.

Enjoy it just for the special effects, and DEFINITELY see this in the theatres. This is not one you wait for even on Blu-Ray.

re: #174 BlueCanuck

IDIOT SIGHTING
My daughter and I went through the McDonald's take-out window and I gave the clerk a $5 bill. Our total was $4.25, so I also handed her a quarter. She said, "you gave me too much money." I said, "Yes I know, but this way you can just give me a dollar bill back." She sighed and went to get the manager who asked me to repeat my request. I did so, and he handed me back the quarter, and said "We're sorry but they could not do that kind of thing." The clerk then proceeded to give me back$1 and 75 cents in change.

LOL. I gave up doing that one long ago. It's almost universal - the kid behind the counter looks at you like you have a third eye for giving them that quarter. It just ain't worth the bother!

Interesting headline at CNN ...

"Obama, McCain in a statistical tie"

The numbers haven't moved much.

Interesting because "statistical tie" is usually only used to describe a poll when the Democrat is running behind but in the margin of error.

It is as if McCain is liked by CNN.

Beachkatie, I have to admit that Vatican Two was the worst thing to happen, in my opinion, to the Catholic Church. I prefer the old Latin masses. Here in Northern California the Church has all but become "Latino". Please all you people who are Hispanic please don't think I am anti-Hispanic. I am just against anything that is anti-American. Non- Citizens should not be catered to here.My son-in-law is from Spanish descent so I am not against Hispanics.....just illegals.....

re: #180 vbspurs

Good for you! :)

re: #189 Cartman

LOL. I gave up doing that one long ago. It's almost universal - the kid behind the counter looks at you like you have a third eye for giving them that quarter. It just ain't worth the bother!

Yeah, me too. On the other hand, my emergency fund is broken down into four peanut butter jars. Quarters, pennies, dimes and nickels.

/it does add up after awhile.

re: #187 BlueCanuck

Actually that was how Nissan and Toyota got into the North American market. Their compacts were better, more fuel efficeint, and cheaper. Now let's see you gets a jump start on the new hybrid/electric craze.

Toyota/Lexus makes the Prius as well as the biggest gas guzzlers on the road. But no one talks about their gas guzzling 14 mpg Lexus SUV's.

re: #164 wolfie

Hey, it's clean joke. No wordy dirds.

re: #190 karmic_inquisitor

Interesting headline at CNN ...

"Obama, McCain in a statistical tie"

The numbers haven't moved much.

Interesting because "statistical tie" is usually only used to describe a poll when the Democrat is running behind but in the margin of error.

It is as if McCain is liked by CNN.

I guess those other polls (Newsweek?) that had Obama up by 15%+ were a little off.....or, they just projected their wishful thoughts onto the results a little too high......listening to the dems, they think this election is sewn up and all but over......Obama still may win, but I will take great delight it rubbing into their faces if he loses......

re: #184 Mich-again

Good insight!

I figure you are assuming trucks as a group consume as much fuel as cars as a group.

(I was going to write "trucks log as many miles as cars" but that wouldn't work since trucks would consume more gas due to their comparative mileage).

re: #181 jcw46

Well the oil supply is limited however don't get too worried.

Yes, it is limited. Should dry up about a century from now.

What are you prepared to do about it?

Nuclear Iran is world's biggest threat: Obama advisor

"If I were the Europeans I would much rather put on the table more sanctions, together with bigger carrots, and have that negotiation than I would face that crisis down the road," he [Obama's senior foreign policy adviser Anthony Lake] added, suggesting Obama's tack should he be elected in November.

Oh, I see. You'll let the Euros act in your stead. And then what?

re: #178 Desert Dog

Too funny, we switched! I grew up in Aurora, CO.....moved here after college........I am taking my nephews (from Colorado) and my older sons down the Salt, Thursday on the tubes.....

Be honest now, do you miss this heat? I've been here since 1986 and I am still not used to it.....

Hell, half my family lives in Phoenix now.

I think I've owned the only houses in Breckenridge that has A/C. I've NEVER used it!

I asked the contractor who built my current house why it has A/C. I'm not shitting you- He said "Because you can afford it". Funny thing was I couldn't argue with him. And I do not live in a mansion.

re: #185 beachkatie
I am not scared of Charles!He is Catholic to!The bad has taken is't toll in the Church! The New testament saids , She will come back in all her glory!

re: #185 beachkatie

It still say's it is healthy to pray for the dead in vatican 2 the rosary!

Why not indeed! ;)

To add to my street cred uncoolness, my mother actually had our priest bless my new car. Picture the scene: in the middle of the street in front of our church, a Spaniard priest intoning a prayer asking the Lord to keep all who it ferries around, safe.

I guess this means I can drop my insurance?

re: #183 wee fury
Now I have to say that that's downright unfair. Why use all those letters, just say "Dan Quayle" and be done with it! LOL!

re: #197 karmic_inquisitor

Good insight!

I figure you are assuming trucks as a group consume as much fuel as cars as a group.

No its not that complicated. Think in gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon. Thats what matters to the consumer. How many gallons of fuel you have to buy to go "X" number of miles.

re: #200 Bob in Breckenridge

Hell, half my family lives in Phoenix now.

I think I've owned the only houses in Breckenridge that has A/C. I've NEVER used it!

I asked the contractor who built my current house why it has A/C. I'm not shitting you- He said "Because you can afford it". Funny thing was I couldn't argue with him. And I do not live in a mansion.

FYI, my point being I'll never use it, but it's good to know it's there.
/Kinda like hookers.

re: #200 Bob in Breckenridge

You got a built in a/c up there....open your windows.....it gets wonderfully chilly at night, even in your summer months...

I will crack open a cold one when we are floating down the river Thurday and give you a cheer, Bob.....have fun up there, I envy your new locale, that is for sure

re: #188 vbspurs
Huh? Y'all sure you have the right link there?

re: #188 vbspurs

Not everyone liked it. Here's one guy's opinion.

re: #187 BlueCanuck

I believe they were priced a little higher (because of quotas and tariffs) but they were a better value because of their quality.
Note: I recently saw a Ford ad where the voice over announcer says "... and Ford quality is as good as Toyota and Honda." Hah ! What a selling point.

The biggest obstacle to electrics/hybrids is the battery. Kudos to McCain and his challenge. (although I think it should be a higher amount)

re: #191 nigella

The great benefit of the Latin Mass is that it was for all people. No matter where you went, it was the same. It was truly catholic in the literal sense.

re: #202 vbspurs

A minister blessed my Harley a while back, before a pack ride. Must be something to it, as I managed to keep her upright square in the middle of 2000+ other riders. Praise the good Lord, and pass the V-Twin!

re: #191 nigella

Beachkatie, I have to admit that Vatican Two was the worst thing to happen, in my opinion, to the Catholic Church. I prefer the old Latin masses. Here in Northern California the Church has all but become "Latino". Please all you people who are Hispanic please don't think I am anti-Hispanic. I am just against anything that is anti-American. Non- Citizens should not be catered to here.My son-in-law is from Spanish descent so I am not against Hispanics.....just illegals.....

I guess I have a different opinion. I think parishioners get more more information that they can use to improve their lives and become better people by hearing the mass in a language they understand.

That said, I worked in France and Germany for a while and heard mass in those languages. I enjoyed it from the standpoint of seeing the same ritual but in a different language (and it helped me pick up some of the language). Even went to Easter mass in Korea once.

As an aside, I think that the politicization of the Hispanic immigration within the Church here in Southern California has gotten way out of hand. This is not a human rights issue that the Church needs to inject itself into. It is an age old economic issue - people have always migrated for work (I have). Migrant workers will always feel a bit out of place in a foreign land and it is not the responsibility of that foreign land to restructure itself to resemble the land that some migrants came from.

re: #206 Desert Dog

You got a built in a/c up there....open your windows.....it gets wonderfully chilly at night, even in your summer months...

I will crack open a cold one when we are floating down the river Thurday and give you a cheer, Bob.....have fun up there, I envy your new locale, that is for sure

What part of Phoenix do you live in?

re: #210 wolfie

The great benefit of the Latin Mass is that it was for all people. No matter where you went, it was the same. It was truly catholic in the literal sense.

Universal I suppose, if you know Latin. The Latin Mass was why all the old Cathedrals had so many statues and icons and paintings. Gave the common folk something to look at while the Priest was talking the foreign language they didn't understand.

re: #213 Bob in Breckenridge

NE Mesa, Power and McDowell

re: #209 jcw46 Seriously, McCain's $300 million is a joke; if someone can develop that, they'll make ten times that amount all by themselves in the free market.
Still, McCain has had better and certainly more thoughts on improving the economy than has the Obamamessiah.

re: #199 solomonpanting

What are you prepared to do about it?

Nuclear Iran is world's biggest threat: Obama advisor

Oh, I see. You'll let the Euros act in your stead. And then what?

What a non-position.

It boils down to "Do more of what has been shown not to work because the consequences of them not changing course is unthinkable."

Only stupid people assume that such is a smart strategy.

Gotta turn down the amp...my ears are ringing...

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep now.
So I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Mich-Again, the Mass in Latin was all about tradition. Yeah we didn't know exactly what was said, but I did learn most of the words. It was the history behind the words that mattered to me.

re: #198 Cartman

I agree we should go after every teaspoonful we can pump out of the ground and that would last awhile but I was commenting on the fact that the price has to go up as there is only so much here on Earth.

BTW. Why don't we hear about how if we invested in space, we could mine the other planets for petroleum or hydrocarbons? Jupiter and Saturn are mostly giant balls of methane and free hydrogen. Yes it would take a while to get there but we have to start now before we run out of our own supply to get there.

G'nite, R-Dubs. Got yer back, bro.

re: #215 Desert Dog

NE Mesa, Power and McDowell

Oh okay. It's strange. I've heard my neighborhood (I lived about 5 blocks from MetroCenter, which is at 28th and Peoria) at 3215 Christy Drive, is now a bad place. If you google earth it, almost all the houses have pools, as does our old house. We put it in in 1975. Go figure.

re: #219 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep now.
So I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

CYA rw...hope you're feeling okay.

re: #221 jcw46

I say open up drilling all the known sources on Federal land and earmark a percentage of the royalties to investing in renewable sources. Truth is we need lots of cash to invest in renewable sources to make them viable and what better cash cow than the billions of barrels of oil we already know about. That kills about five birds with one stone.

re: #221 jcw46

Yes it would take a while to get there but we have to start now before we run out of our own supply to get there.

If we ever advance that far, oil will have become a foklore memory!

re: #216 realwest

I believe he was aiming at the "entrepreneur" tinkerers.
I agree the amount is too small.

Well, I'm out of here for the night..... night all you lizards.......

errr...folklore.

Yosemite National Park.

re: #230 DesertSage

nice!

Guess it's time for all good Lizards to turn in? Might as well go watch the back of my eyelids, as well.

G'nite...

re: #230 DesertSage

Yosemite National Park.

Wow, that's awesome!

re: #230 DesertSage

Dam that River! I believe thats song #2 on the Alice in Chains "Dirt" album.

re: #223 Bob in Breckenridge

parts of the West side are still quite nice. Your old hood is holding on ok.....go a little farther south and it's not so good. This place is so huge now, it's hard to remember how it was in 1986 when i first got here. I-10 ended at 99th Ave....no 51, no 101, no 202, no left turn arrows, no storm drainage....the first time I saw a healthy rain, the streets all turned into rivers.....It was a friendlier place back then though.....now, it's always polluted, traffic sucks, and worst of all, the people here are different now....very detached and very unfriendly now...But, I have my big house next to Red Mountain, have a nice pool in back and my kids and my wife love it here....so, I will have to make do, eh?

re: #230 DesertSage

Yosemite National Park.

Global warming has melted all the snow! ahhhhhhhhh!

re: #226 Cartman

IF we spent the money and effort, we could be in the asteroids (forget Mars = gravity well, wind and sand) within 50 yrs. The tech's there, we just need the will.

re: #228 nigella

Weet dreams to ya!

re: #232 Cartman
Weetdreams to ya!

I have a good friend who has a cabin near there. We go there every year and do the motorcycle thing on all the back woods trails.

Waterfall

re: #240 DesertSage
Weetdreams to ya sage!

re: #214 Mich-again

Universal I suppose, if you know Latin. The Latin Mass was why all the old Cathedrals had so many statues and icons and paintings. Gave the common folk something to look at while the Priest was talking the foreign language they didn't understand.

Well since it has been in English for a while....most of my life...I could probably learn the Latin. Because it is the same thing....
/I look forward to a Latin Mass.....but I believe that English Masses will still be held.

re: #221 jcw46

I agree we should go after every teaspoonful we can pump out of the ground and that would last awhile but I was commenting on the fact that the price has to go up as there is only so much here on Earth.

BTW. Why don't we hear about how if we invested in space, we could mine the other planets for petroleum or hydrocarbons? Jupiter and Saturn are mostly giant balls of methane and free hydrogen. Yes it would take a while to get there but we have to start now before we run out of our own supply to get there.

There is no petroleum any where else in our solar system. It takes vast amounts of plant life to create petroleum. Jupiter and Saturn contain only trace amounts of hydrocarbons. Sorry, I'd love to mine the hell out of space but there's not much out there to mine.

re: #207 realwest

Huh? Y'all sure you have the right link there?

Oops! There you go. re: #208 stevieray

Not everyone liked it. Here's one guy's opinion.

I totally agree with that opinion. As I was watching it, I thought there were Fascist elements which some had previously attributed to, for example, "300" -- a film I adored.

But whereas 300 was genuinely, even deliciously right-wing (in the take-no-prisoners sense), Wanted's characters live in the moment, without consequence to what their "greater plan" might entail. Its mission gives meaning to the dull life lead by the petit bourgeois, by empowering them through violence and disregard for humanity at large, because they are not privy to this plan or methodology.

It's a fun film, and there is such a thing as overthinking things.

But sometimes one should anyway.

@Cartman: Cool! I don't feel so geeky now. ;)

re: #241 beachkatie

Weetdreams to ya sage!

Weet Dreams to you too, katie.

And don't think that I didn't remember that it was you who coined that term. If I ever get back to editing the dictionary, I'll try and get that reference added. It's become part of LGF terminology now.

re: #240 DesertSage

I still believe the south will save us all......

re: #243 Neo Con since 9-11

Ummmm, I hate to disagree with you, but Titan is just swimming with hydrocarbons. We're talking literarlly rivers and seas of methane to start. It probably has other forms as well.

re: #228 nigella

Well, I'm out of here for the night..... night all you lizards.......

Night, Nigella! And yes, me turning in too. Night Lizardos. :)

re: #245 DesertSage
Love ya mean it !

re: #214 Mich-again

Universal I suppose, if you know Latin. The Latin Mass was why all the old Cathedrals had so many statues and icons and paintings. Gave the common folk something to look at while the Priest was talking the foreign language they didn't understand.

You might say it was universally incomprehensible, but it was universal nonetheless.

In any case, in the last few centuries missals with translations have been readily available and cheap. Catechism class went through the Mass. The liturgy is repeated week after week and thus can be comprehended by anyone who bothers.

re: #245 DesertSage

Weet Dreams to you too, katie.

And don't think that I didn't remember that it was you who coined that term. If I ever get back to editing the dictionary, I'll try and get that reference added. It's become part of LGF terminology now.

heh, I favorited the first instance of it's use. Just for posterity purposes. :)

re: #246 beachkatie

I still believe the south will save us all......

You may be right, katie. But Yosemite isn't in the south.

Here is an excellent article on why Oil prices move the way that they do.

Read it.

It demonstrates clearly why an announced long term increase in supply (like allowing more drilling in the US) will likely produce an immediate lowering of Oil prices AND an expansion of supply.

Raising interest rate in the US, ironically, may help too.

Forward it to anyone buying the Pelosi "it won't work for 5 years" crap.

re: #251 BlueCanuck

heh, I favorited the first instance of it's use. Just for posterity purposes. :)

Oh, good. Do you have the link? I'll need it for the dictionary.

re: #250 wolfie

They still do Latin to do Exorcisms!

re: #246 beachkatie

I still believe the south will save us all......

From the NY TIMES of all places.

re: #242 Suzette

My biggest problem with the modern Mass is the choir/band that seems to be performing for the congregation instead of leading the congregation in song. Sometimes they seem to not even want anyone to sing, just sit there and listen. I like the old traditional songs that everyone knows by heart, but so many of the choirs these days shun the old classics.

And gawsh I can not stand the guitar mass with the idjit playing the out of tune guitar. It is like nails on chalkboard to me. Yikes. Why won't they invest $20 and get an electric tuner. So many bad guitar players on this world think they can tune by ear. Oh they can get it close, but close sucks when it comes to tuning a guitar.

/rant off

re: #221 jcw46

I agree we should go after every teaspoonful we can pump out of the ground and that would last awhile but I was commenting on the fact that the price has to go up as there is only so much here on Earth

If we use hydrocarbons and those molecules go into the atmosphere & then fall back to the ground. Where do they go? Can the be used again?

Is it a one time thing or a cycle?

re: #255 beachkatie

They still do Latin to do Exorcisms!

Yep they do. But many priests are having to re-learn Latin now!

re: #240 DesertSage

what part of near to there?

re: #235 Desert Dog

I know what you mean. I left Phoenix in 1978. I went back there for the first time in 1997. I rented a Chrysler Sebring convertible after flying into Sky Harbor ay about 11pm from Chicago. I put down the top.
I was going out to the Metrocenter area to stay with some high school classmates. I couldn't believe how it had grown. I looked around, and there were highways and overpasses going everywhere. When I left, all there was was the Black Canyon Freeway.

re: #254 DesertSage

Oh, good. Do you have the link? I'll need it for the dictionary.

yep, here you go. Like I have said before, I am a packrat. Even online with the internet.

This just in: You can't trust giraffes!

Lousy long-necked bastards!