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Photos from Jerusalem

Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:13:17 pm PDT

Richard Landes of Augean Stables emailed 6 photos from Jerusalem, taken by his daughter Noa at the scene of this morning’s terror attack. Click the picture below for a slideshow of the images.

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1 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:14:04pm

Lo Aravim - Lo Matsav!

2 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:14:50pm

Lord, have mercy.

3 MrBlonde21  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:15:13pm

Yikes.

4 oceansidecon  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:15:54pm

Just a construction site accident...move along...nothing more to see.
-BBC

5 Pyroskank  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:16:33pm

Pictures like these need to be shoved in the face of every childish idiot blathering on about the "plight" of the poor widdle Philistines and how Israel is such a big fat meanie.

Personally, I can't look at them right now. I don't want my coworkers to see me cry.

6 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:16:42pm

Wrath - can you translate that for me? (#1)

7 rawmuse  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:16:46pm

May the Lord comfort and console the families and take in to His bosom the deceased.

8 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:16:49pm
9 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:17:22pm

re: #6 mama winger

No Arabs, No "Conflict" (Terror)

10 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:17:35pm

FOX News will be showing this next up.

11 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:18:02pm

re: #9 WrathofG-d

No Arabs, No "Conflict" (Terror)

Thank you, Wrath.

This is a travesty.

12 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:19:02pm

Check out the comments at HuffPo's thread on this story. Although a number of people defend Israel, most of the posters either make excuses for the terrorist killer or worse, defend his actions.

It's quite disturbing to read, but not unusual.

13 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:19:45pm

re: #12 Ringo the Gringo

This is murder. There is no excuse for murder.

14 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:20:14pm

I should also point out that there are a lot of Muslims with active commercial drivers licenses here in the US. An 18 wheel truck with 20 tons of cargo can do a lot of damage in hands of someone with sudden jihad syndrome.

15 indythinker  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:20:34pm

When they start turning items common in modern society, like front-end loaders, into weapons of mass destruction, the larger point about them needing to live somewhere else maybe starts getting clearer for people.

16 pegcity  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:21:13pm

re: #14 The Other Les

I should also point out that there are a lot of Muslims with active commercial drivers licenses here in the US. An 18 wheel truck with 20 tons of cargo can do a lot of damage in hands of someone with sudden jihad syndrome.

wasn't their some ring of somalis they busted up, they wanted to learn how to drive forward but didn't care about learning how to reverse?

17 pegcity  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:21:49pm

re: #15 indythinker

When they start turning items common in modern society, like front-end loaders, into weapons of mass destruction, the larger point about them needing to live somewhere else maybe starts getting clearer for people.

How about 4 airplanes?

18 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:04pm

Let's give these savages a state. Let's negotiate with their terror enablers in Iran, Syria and the rest of Islamic world. Let's call Pakistan and Saudi Arabia our allies

19 threecoloursblue  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:11pm

re: #4 oceansidecon

not fair..
Bulldozer rampage...BBC News

20 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:27pm

Thank G-d they capped his evil ass.

I imagine living in Israel is like being surrounded by a pack of rabid dogs..

If this had happened in Eurabia, the cop would be up on charges for shooting an unarmed person.

21 Dianna  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:35pm

Terrible. I can't say anything more.

22 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:35pm

re: #11 mama winger

As was stated on the other threads, Terrorists exist even when you give them all the land, citizenship, health care, driver's licenses, etc. These stupid "bandaids" are not the root of the issue.

Thus, "one state" won't work, and even "Two-States" won't work. Further this is proof that its not about the roads, its not about the checkpoints, its not about "occupation", (as this person as an israeli ciizen had full rights, and didn't have to deal with the non-citizen issues)....its not about anything other than an religious and cultural hatred of Jews, and desire to murder every last Israeli.

I just hope that the Israeli and American People and Gov wake up to this.

23 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:48pm

I had to stop reading about this on the Washington Post because the comments sections were turning into St. Pancake memorials. How someone could read about this act of murderous violence against unsuspecting civilians (including children) and equate it with a Palestinian-brainwashed activist intentionally getting in front of a bulldozer is beyond me.

24 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:22:52pm

re: #18 winston06

sounds like a smashing plan!
neville chamberlain/

25 shug  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:23:06pm

What a waste. Innocent people murdered by a Death worshipping Devil.

what a waste

26 Silhouette  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:23:07pm

re: #5 Pyroskank

Pictures like these need to be shoved in the face of every childish idiot blathering on about the "plight" of the poor widdle Philistines and how Israel is such a big fat meanie.

They merely assume Israel must have done something even worse to drive them to this horrible act. Just must have.

Because otherwise, that would make the Palestinian terrorists pure evil, and they just can not believe that. It would have a domino effect on their entire worldview if they allow themselves for one second to believe that.

27 indythinker  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:23:15pm

Will all construction workers need national security clearances? Or big-rig safety checks?

We cannot live like this, turning our homes into prison camps. We need to establish security. That means separation from crazed fanatics.

28 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:23:35pm

re: #16 pegcity

wasn't their some ring of somalis they busted up, they wanted to learn how to drive forward but didn't care about learning how to reverse?

I haven't heard about that one. (Did you forget to use the sarc tag?)

There were several Muslims in the class when I took the truck driving course.

29 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:23:38pm

re: #22 WrathofG-d

Some people like to kill Jews. It is as simple and as ghastly as that.

30 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:24:33pm

What's with the "bulldozer" thing? It's a front end loader.

It's no more a bulldozer than I am the Pope.

31 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:24:34pm

re: #29 mama winger

Israel needs to send these people back to Jordan and Egypt so they can do their killing there. (like they did when they were there).

This doesn't have to be Israel's problem.

32 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:24:45pm

re: #24 Boondock St. Bender

Yep. Leave it to the State Dept and other idiots and thats where we'll all end up

33 mama winger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:25:35pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d


Israel's problem is our problem. Israel's problem is my problem.

I stand with Israel.

34 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:26:07pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

What's with the "bulldozer" thing? It's a front end loader.

It's no more a bulldozer than I am the Pope.

[Les is going to skip the Church of the Subgenius reference now.]

35 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:26:16pm

re: #33 mama winger

Hear, hear!

36 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:26:17pm

re: #33 mama winger

hear hear

37 threecoloursblue  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:26:41pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

90% of the urban population of the western world don't know what a front end loader is. Bulldozer... they've heard of it.

38 cyndijane  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:27:24pm

The epitome of utter evil, i.e., bloodlust!

39 Dianna  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:27:29pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

Reporters, Rasta. They can't tell the difference between a tank and an APC, and construction equipment is even more of a mystery.

40 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:27:52pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d

Israel needs to send these people back to Jordan and Egypt so they can do their killing there. (like they did when they were there).

This doesn't have to be Israel's problem.

I don't want them killing anyone.

Of course the only good murderer is a...

41 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:28:17pm

The Palestinian's body will probably be handed over to his family for burial.

*spit*

42 Dianna  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:28:27pm

re: #40 The Other Les

One who stops before he does it.

43 ColdPizza  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:28:31pm

They should use the same Front end loader to demolish the Terrorists house.

44 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:28:32pm

re: #37 threecoloursblue

90% of them are eeeedjits.......Bulldozer, my as*

45 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:28:55pm

re: #39 Dianna

True,the more i see they get wrong on things i am familiar with,the more i wonder about their reporting on things i am not.

46 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:29:18pm

re: #40 The Other Les

Jordan and Egypt know/knew how to resolve their PLO Terrorist problem. Send them back, and the killing will stop.

47 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:29:59pm

Israel problem is my problem because my son, d.i.l. and grand daughter are Israeli I always supported the idea of Israel but when my family lives there it is a personal thing.

48 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:30:16pm

re: #42 Dianna

One who stops before he does it.

I was thinking more along the lines of being existentially challenged.

49 Dianna  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:30:27pm

Off to practice. Take care.

50 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:30:39pm

re: #39 Dianna

They could not tell the difference between a hole and an ass in the ground.....Reporters. Spit.....

51 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:30:57pm

re: #31 WrathofG-d

Israel needs to send these people back to Jordan and Egypt so they can do their killing there. (like they did when they were there).

This doesn't have to be Israel's problem.


Jordan is Palestine.

52 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:31:08pm

re: #39 Dianna

reporters and work doubt they ever meet.

53 Dianna  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:31:24pm

re: #48 The Other Les

I prefer that the crime never happen. Really.

Really gone, now!

54 opnion  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:31:44pm

Looking at these pictures I am reminded of what Israel is up against.
They are grossly outnumbered in a really bad neighborhood.
No amount of appeasement will satisfy the Palestinians as things stand.
When Israel is attacked , the terrorists are portrayed often as just poor desperate people.
If Israel retaliates it is framed as a provocation.
At the UN & academia, anti Israeli screeds are tres chic.
The Islamic terrorist has become the new Che to the Left

55 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:21pm

re: #51 Golem Akbar

Jordan is Palestine.

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:23pm

Who will the Palestinian's family be receiving payments from? The Saudis?

57 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:31pm

re: #46 WrathofG-d

Send them back to where? I thought they were Jordanians and Egyptians...

Not that I'm disagreeing with you....

58 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:35pm
59 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:36pm

re: #50 WhiteRasta

They could not tell the difference between a hole and an ass in the ground.....Reporters. Spit.....

Just don't get them involved with Dungeons & Dragons.

(Anti-Paladins? They're the good guys? Right?)

60 newsread5  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:32:49pm

Boondock, You hit the nail on the head. All AP reporting should be suspect.

61 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:33:18pm

re: #54 opnion

If Israel did not allow the PLO to work within Israel, the conflict would become a trickle and Israeli lives would be saved.

They Must decide what is right and where the terrorists should Go!

62 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:33:34pm

Not to repeat myself, but here's another: Jordan is Palestine.

63 bulwrk  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:33:39pm

Add construction equipment to the list of things that you can't let palestinians near.

64 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:33:55pm

muslims in the u.k. are having puppies because the u.k. police showed a cute pic of a puppie.

frankly i like puppies muslims not so much.

65 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:34:44pm

re: #57 WhiteRasta

Out of Israel and back to Egypt and Jordan. Not because they are Arabs, but because they are the Enemy.

(my arab, Iraqi, Jewish cousin can remain)

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:35:20pm

Olmert, Barak: Demolish terrorists' homes

After the shooting rampage at Mercaz Harav seminary in March left eight students dead, Defense Minister Ehud Barak called for the demolition of the terrorist's home in east Jerusalem. It was never carried out.

Following Wednesday's deadly terror attack in Jerusalem which left three Israelis dead and dozens more wounded, Barak reiterated his position.

In a letter released by his military secretary, Brig. Gen. Eitan Dangut, Barak wrote that the defense establishment and government must not fail to respond to a situation wherein a terrorist bearing an Israeli ID carries out a nationalistically- motivated attack in the heart of Israel.

Earlier in the day Prime Minster Ehud Olmert issued a similar call to raze the home of 31-year-old Hossam Dawyyat, the Palestinian bulldozer driver who carrie out the attack.


The prime minister also maintained that the social security benefits of the terrorist's family should be annulled.

Good idea.

67 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:35:25pm

re: #62 Golem Akbar

Not to repeat myself, but here's another: Jordan is Palestine.


The resolution to all the killing! JORDAN is "PALESTINE".

68 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:35:44pm

re: #12 Ringo the Gringo

They got a lot nastier than the ones I put up in an earlier thread.
Loppyd predicting that Arianna would shut posting down by noon. Too bad she didn't

69 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:36:11pm

re: #67 WrathofG-d

The resolution to all the killing! JORDAN is "PALESTINE".

YES

70 opnion  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:36:16pm

re: #61 WrathofG-d

If Israel did not allow the PLO to work within Israel, the conflict would become a trickle and Israeli lives would be saved.

They Must decide what is right and where the terrorists should Go!

Israel need a new honcho. They have got to crack down.
It is their business, but I want them to succeed.

71 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:36:29pm

re: #65 WrathofG-d

Ok! I see the whole context of your comment, now. And yes. I agree.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:37:14pm

What's the reaction in Gaza? Are people handing out candy to passing motorists? Celebrating in the streets?

73 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:38:20pm

re: #10 mama winger

They just did on Brit Hume show

74 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:38:43pm

OT: Libs Protesting Libs. LOL
The representative for the Obama campaign directs them to the "free speech" area. Heh.

75 shug  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:38:45pm

I wonder what Ulf has to say about this.

"We are all Palestinians"?

/scumbag

76 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:38:47pm
77 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:39:16pm

re: #67 WrathofG-d

Well, here is something to help you sleep better at night:

The Brits are giving the "Jordanians" nuke technology.

(For peaceful purposes, of course)

78 DistantThunder  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:39:23pm

We need a bigger stick with the Palestinians - forget the rotten carrots.

79 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:39:23pm

re: #72 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. They go nuts when Zhoos are killed. The freaking idiots are taking money from Canada, US, UK and France and keep on killing innocent people. Makes me hate them more.

80 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:39:55pm

re: #78 DistantThunder

We need to use the bulldozer they just used to erase them from the face of the planet?

81 DistantThunder  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:40:13pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Olmert, Barak: Demolish terrorists' homes

Good idea.

The family should be expatriated to the Palestinian areas.

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:40:39pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

OT: Libs Protesting Libs. LOL
The representative for the Obama campaign directs them to the "free speech" area. Heh.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

83 neocon hippie  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:40:40pm

Just horrible. My heart goes out to the victims' families and friends, those who are alive but wounded, and the spirits of those who were murdered in such a horrible fashion.

84 winston06  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:40:50pm

re: #81 DistantThunder

Or to Saudi Arabia or Iran where they get their terror money from?

85 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:41:19pm

re: #72 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You won't see that on the dinosaur media.

Let's give them some more taxpayers money......

86 eon  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:41:32pm

re: #29 mama winger

Some people like to kill Jews. It is as simple and as ghastly as that.

And some others like to watch them at their demonic work, and imagine that they are the ones doing it. (Some of those whose refrain is "It's always Israel's fault" come to mind.)

As Wrath said, there is no way to satisfy the haters. No matter how far you bend over backward to "appease" them, there will always be one more "insult", one more "injustice", or one more "apostasy" which they must avenge at all costs to justify themselves to themselves. Ultimately, it is all about their need for power, their lust for destruction, and their dreams of conquest.

To me, the saddest thing about this is in the lower right corner of the picture at the top of this page. Isn't that a small child's toy?

Is it a marker of a small, innocent life ravaged, or even snuffed out, by this act of an evil man? (I do not call it insanity, as that would be an insult to people with real emotional problems they can't help having.)

According to a recent story I read re the Heller decision and comparing U.S. violent crime statistics to the rise of violent crime in Israel, approximately 118,000 Israeli citizens have the equivalent of a CCW, and the number is growing every day.

To judge from these photos, it isn't growing fast enough.

(not feeling too cheerful right now, in fact plain damned mad)

eon

87 DistantThunder  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:41:47pm

re: #84 winston06

Or to Saudi Arabia or Iran where they get their terror money from?

And his children should be adopted by Jews.

88 rawmuse  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:42:15pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

They directed them to the "free speech zone"? Meaning everywhere else is off limits, you give up your first amendment rights everywhere else?

How completely Orwellian.

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:42:23pm

re: #81 DistantThunder

Yup, I don't know what the martyr payments are like these days but they'll get plenty of money to live in Gaza. Does anyone know what the families of Palestinian terrorist get these days?

90 MacGregor  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:42:30pm

A result of barbarian ideology - a pox on humanity. Thoughts and prayers to the victims, families and friends.

91 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:43:34pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

That was really funny. Wimps trying to shout down wimps.

92 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:44:37pm

Obama's halo of the day: Yahoo pic

93 nikis-knight  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:44:42pm

Charles-
Any chance of adding an "expand" button to LGF spy? So that one could read the entirety of long comments from that screen? Sometimes it takes a few clicks to get to the whole comment, as it isn't always obvious which link to click.

94 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:44:48pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

The king of the soddomites probably has a good idea..

Less money than it took me to gas up my Ford Explorer this morning.

The so-called "Palestinians" are cheap whores.

95 opnion  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #88 rawmuse

They directed them to the "free speech zone"? Meaning everywhere else is off limits, you give up your first amendment rights everywhere else?

How completely Orwellian.

With any luck at all, the Denver Convention will be so sloppy, & the disorganized mob that is the Modern Democrat Party will make complete asses of themselves.
I want people to ask themselves if the can really trust this bunch to be in charge.

96 pat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:45:34pm

Scum

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:45:37pm

re: #79 winston06

taking money from Canada, US, UK and France and keep on killing innocent people

The Palestinians have never suffered a crushing defeat. In their minds, they've never lost. They see foreign aid as a resource for continuing the intifada.

Egypt was hammered back across the Canal. Jordan had its teeth knocked out. Both have come to terms with the situation.

Not so, the Palestinians.

98 nikis-knight  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:46:22pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Obama's halo of the day: Yahoo pic

That is funny. I shudder to think what his presidential portrait would look like.

99 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:46:31pm

re: #95 opnion

one can only hope.should be quite the sideshow.

100 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:47:49pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Obama's halo of the day: Yahoo pic

That's just ... ugh!

101 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:47:54pm

re: #77 WhiteRasta

Rediculous!

Our governments are idiots. Aside from the whole "they could use this tech to blow us up and threaten the west" aspect of this...the West is missing out on a MAJOR business opportunity.

Instead of taking the upfront cash, it would be smarter (as the arabs did) to run a pipeline and make them pay for it from us.

You don't give them the cow, you make them pay for the milk.

If we had kept this tech to ourselves, at the same time that people speculate that oil is running out, we would ensure that we were the energy providers for the rest of history. We would have the power of West and the Power of being the sole energy providers.

iditos

Wrath in 2016.

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:48:10pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Obama's halo of the day: Yahoo pic

It looks like he's being eaten by PacMan. (Or PACman?)

103 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:48:35pm

re: #30 WhiteRasta

What's with the "bulldozer" thing? It's a front end loader.

It's no more a bulldozer than I am the Pope.

I noticed that, too, when the story broke. Just another example of ignorance on the part of the MSM. They know nothing about machinery, or weapons, or generally what the hell is going on.

104 pat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:48:55pm

Doen't the MSM realize they are making laughing stocks out of themselves with the Obama halo pics?

105 opnion  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:49:27pm

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Palestinians have never suffered a crushing defeat. In their minds, they've never lost. They see foreign aid as a resource for continuing the intifada.

Egypt was hammered back across the Canal. Jordan had its teeth knocked out. Both have come to terms with the situation.

Not so, the Palestinians.


It is really interesting that none of the Middle East nations want these people around. The Palestinians have always been considered undesirables by their fellow Muslims.
Of course that does not stop them from defending murdering of Jews.

106 rawmuse  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:49:27pm

re: #104 pat

Doen't the MSM realize they are making laughing stocks out of themselves with the Obama halo pics?

In a word, no.

107 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:49:37pm

re: #12 Ringo the Gringo

Check out the comments at HuffPo's thread on this story. Although a number of people defend Israel, most of the posters either make excuses for the terrorist killer or worse, defend his actions.

It's quite disturbing to read, but not unusual.

I really can't print the kind of reaction inspired in me now by that sort of filth, that spew of Amalek, that Jew Hate masquerading as tolerance. I get the same sort of puking sick rage reaction I feel hearing about somebody raping kids or abusing animals.

These f-cking idiot kids, mental midgets, cretinous spawn of the French Revolution and their damned fool parents who didn't teach them right from wrong, sitting there safe behind their computers with their noses in the air, excusing flat-out murder because well those poor little brown people are o-so-oppressed, our darling little barbarians are sticking it to the man in "Palestine", and besides, everybody knows the dirty Jews aren't people, right?

What was that rabbi's saying again, that peace is not the absence of war, but the presence of justice?

May G-d and the IDF bring every ounce of Justice to bear, and may the backs of the barbarians and their supporters be broken. I am so very, very, very tired of this garbage.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:50:26pm

Yow, reminds me of the terrorist and his tank rampage through San Diego. Schmuck even said to a friend that "Oklahoma was good stuff", apparently about the Oklahoma City bombing that happened a few weeks before.

The pictures and the videos are just so alarming with regards to what the Israelis are living with on a daily basis. I don't think I could live so close to the front lines as they do.

Damn, sane people should not let terrorists drive large vehicles.

109 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:50:40pm

Later Lizards. Time to prep for dinner tonight. Doing a rotisserie chicken on my new grill.

See ya on the morning DT.

110 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:51:29pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

Heh.

111 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:51:36pm

This is sick.

I've already flagged it.

112 Pyroskank  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:51:36pm

re: #72 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What's the reaction in Gaza? Are people handing out candy to passing motorists? Celebrating in the streets?

I don't know about Gaza's reaction, but the HuffPo story interestingly contained this tidbit:

Dwayat's aunt stood on the family balcony ululating and screaming "he is a martyr." Other relatives sat quietly nearby, and several dozen people gathered in front of the home.

Let's give 'em ANOTHER state!

113 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:52:35pm

Savages!

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:52:43pm

re: #105 opnion

It is.
It is.
It is.
It is.
It is.

Jordan's the only one I know of who let them come in (into Jordan proper.) They repaid the Jordanians by trying to take over the country. Jordan kicked them out.

115 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:54:02pm

re: #104 pat

Doen't the MSM realize they are making laughing stocks out of themselves with the Obama halo pics?

That would require their adhering to some manner of moral or aesthetic standard which they reject as a paleopatriarchal subjugational construct...

116 opnion  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:54:28pm

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It is.
It is.
It is.
It is.
It is.

Jordan's the only one I know of who let them come in (into Jordan proper.) They repaid the Jordanians by trying to take over the country. Jordan kicked them out.

I recall that. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

117 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:54:42pm

It's time Israel exercised the same rights to Palestinians as extended to Joos in any Arab nation.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:56:17pm

re: #112 Pyroskank

Let's give 'em ANOTHER state!

Let us send his aunt to her 72 virgin, pubescent, male camels. I want to see them ululating over her.

119 SusanL  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:56:33pm

re: #33 mama winger

Israel's problem is our problem. Israel's problem is my problem.

I stand with Israel.

Well, so do I, but what good does it do?

Mama, I am just so discouraged. I have printed and given out copies of Nekama's Troll Hammer to show people the truth, I have argued and explained, but people still want to blame Israel and the poor Israeli's for everything.

Anything they can't blame on George Bush, they blame on Israel.

How, dear Lord, how can people not see the evil in this? May the God of life keep the dead and injured close to his heart.

Susan

120 eon  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:56:43pm

re: #104 pat

Doen't the MSM realize they are making laughing stocks out of themselves with the Obama halo pics?


Their response;

But it goes over so well with The People Who Matter!

You know, the ones who couldn't believe Nixon won in '72 because

"Absolutely everybody I know voted for McGovern"?

Show them a halo over Obambi's head, and their legs begin to tingle, and they imagine that they are being Contacted By The Lightworker.

The mental/emotional resemblance between Obama's supporters, in fact the entire "progressive" crowd, and previous examples of "Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds" like "UFO contactees"- and the Jim Jones "Peoples' Temple" cult- are so close as to be genuinely frightening.

cheers

eon

121 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:57:31pm

re: #118 pre-Boomer Marine brat

what do you have against camels?

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:58:14pm

re: #121 yochanan

what do you have against camels?

They really get my goat.

123 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:58:21pm

re: #120 eon

Are there photos of Hitler with a similar effect?

124 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:58:28pm

re: #7 rawmuse

May the Lord comfort and console the families and take in to His bosom the deceased.

you have a good heart raw..
Bless you and yours

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:58:56pm

re: #45 Boondock St. Bender

True,the more i see they get wrong on things i am familiar with,the more i wonder about their reporting on things i am not.

Remember that journalists only know about how to use words and repeat agendas. They don't want to be confused and inundated with facts and knowledge of things outside of journalism and Democratic Party/LLL policies.

126 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:59:05pm

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They really get my goat.

Let's leave the goats alone.

127 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:59:24pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Olmert, Barak: Demolish terrorists' homes


Good idea.

My understanding is that the current government of Israel is more corrupt than usual, and that Olmert took foreign "business donations".

I'm an American, and in this case I'd like to influence Israeli policy with a "business donation" of my own. If I want to see this resolution made into law, to whom in the Knesset must I send my check? I don't have much spare funds at the moment, but I could at least send enough to buy somebody lunch.

128 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 3:59:53pm

re: #126 The Other Les

Let's leave the goats alone.

Be quiet, or we'll sheep you out.

129 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:00:19pm

re: #126 The Other Les
the other day i posted a pic of a goat with bedroom eyes

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:00:37pm

Someone is going to vomit before long, and I will be happy.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:01:31pm

re: #129 yochanan

the other day i posted a pic of a goat with bedroom eyes

I'd love to see that.
Do you still have the link?

132 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:01:35pm

re: #127 Pawn of the Oppressor

olmert would feel at home here in chicagostan

133 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:01:52pm

is it just me or does the humor on this thread seem-well-inappropriate?

134 cyndijane  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:02:05pm

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The saudis, iranians, syrians. And probably the other arab nations of dubai, uae, libya, &c. Also indirectly, the russians, french, germans, and even the chinese will foment divisiveness and thereby "support" these evil cretins one way or another. Of course ism, the un, the red cross, al reuters, ap, the nyt, wapo, and many others defend, incite, and support these nasty people. It is mind boggling and absolutely distressing to realize the few peoples and organizations that support Israel. imo, if you don't love and support the Jews and Israelis, you are against them. Curse be upon the haters and the apathetic!

cj

135 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:02:24pm

In Hell the goats abuse the jihadis.

136 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:02:32pm

re: #130 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm getting the whips and chains out now.

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:02:36pm

re: #133 mikeymom

is it just me or does the humor on this thread seem-well-inappropriate?

You do have a very good point. I will cut it out.

138 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:03:16pm

o.t.
evil in vermont child rapists murdered the poor girl.
a sex ring hang um high let the buzzards pick there bones.

139 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:04:39pm

re: #138 yochanan

they killed her?..i last head that the 12 year old was missing.crimes like these defy punishment.

140 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:05:13pm

re: #137 pre-Boomer Marine brat

so many times, i lol at the wit of fellow lizards.. this is not the time to be witty, or try to outwit one another. thanks for getting my point.

141 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:05:25pm

re: #133 mikeymom

is it just me or does the humor on this thread seem-well-inappropriate?

You have a valid point.

Some asshole set the video of the attack to a Grateful Dead song listed it on YouTube under Comedy.

142 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:05:40pm

re: #139 Boondock St. Bender

they killed her?..i last head that the 12 year old was missing.crimes like these defy punishment.

Fox news has "breaking news" that her body was found.

143 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:06:04pm

re: #141 The Other Les

and you linked it WHY?

144 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:06:18pm

re: #139 Boondock St. Bender

sadly they found her body

145 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:07:08pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

horrible....there isn't a pit deep enough.

146 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:07:15pm

re: #143 mikeymom

and you linked it WHY?

I not supposed to link it?

147 Pyroskank  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:07:29pm

OT:

I was watching that Heineken commercial where people go around giving random strangers a bottle of Heineken as a random act of kindness. There are all sorts of people...old hippies, punks, preppies, cowboys, even a traditional Hindu wedding. I noticed that there were no Muslims in the commercial, and realized that it was because if you offered one of them a beer, he'd likely be insulted and disgusted and call you an insensitive jerk. In fact, if an actor in Muslim dress were depicted happily accepting a beer on TV, there would probably be a mini grievance theater put on by CAIR et. al. the day after it aired.

Just something to think about.

148 vagabond trader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:07:48pm

Saw something yesterday about AQ changing their goals from the big operations to continuous small ones. Stay vigilant.

149 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:09:38pm

re: #146 The Other Les

why give the "asshole" more exposure?

150 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:10:03pm

re: #148 vagabond trader

Saw something yesterday about AQ changing their goals from the big operations to continuous small ones. Stay vigilant.

Wretchard has a column on it.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

151 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:10:45pm

re: #149 mikeymom

why give the "asshole" more exposure?

So more people can flag it.

152 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:11:00pm

re: #147 Pyroskank

OT:

I was watching that Heineken commercial where people go around giving random strangers a bottle of Heineken as a random act of kindness. There are all sorts of people...old hippies, punks, preppies, cowboys, even a traditional Hindu wedding. I noticed that there were no Muslims in the commercial, and realized that it was because if you offered one of them a beer, he'd likely be insulted and disgusted and call you an insensitive jerk. In fact, if an actor in Muslim dress were depicted happily accepting a beer on TV, there would probably be a mini grievance theater put on by CAIR et. al. the day after it aired.

GIVING A BEER TO SOMEONE YOU MIGHT WANT TO DRINK A BEER WITH, can't say i would want to do that with a muslim commerical works for me.
Just something to think about.

153 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:11:43pm

re: #151 The Other Les

whatever--im sick of this shit-not mad at you-just--ALL THIS SHIT!

154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:12:18pm

re: #147 Pyroskank

And yet the Abbasid dynasty was a long-running den of debauchers.

155 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:12:37pm

re: #143 mikeymom

and you linked it WHY?

hey mikeymom.. I'm with you on your last couple of posts..
I'm just waiting to jump in there with some hoosier wit and humor but.. ( you fill in the blank)
so as long as the goat/sex/racist jokes are flowing like wine..I'll just wait a bit..

156 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:12:42pm

re: #148 vagabond trader

Saw something yesterday about AQ changing their goals from the big operations to continuous small ones. Stay vigilant.

Exactly. We are going to see more "SJS" appearing incidents, everyone needs to be prepared. I will link my interpretation again above. Also note that there is quite a bit of infighting going on.

See Memri regarding the "Gulf Arabs" calling out the "Northern Arabs" for being in thrall of Iran.

While this might sound positive it's really not - whenever they get to infighting there are always more terror events as each side tries to "one up" the other.

157 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #149 mikeymom

why give the "asshole" more exposure?

I disagree. Someone posting this under Comedy and laughing about people dying needs exposure.

158 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #145 Boondock St. Bender

horrible....there isn't a pit deep enough.

No there isn't. My daughter is just a year older than Brooke - stories like this hit me really really hard.

159 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:13:30pm

re: #157 SasquatchOnSteroids

to be exposed, more precisely.

160 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:15:55pm

Here's my interpretation of the new manifesto, they've admitted defeat in overt war and insurgency where ever we actively oppose them. It doesn't mean they are giving up however.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

I just got a new monitor, this is a terrible terrible thing to view first on it. My heart and my thoughts are with Israel tonight.

161 gop_patriot  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:16:00pm

re: #138 yochanan

Between this despicable murderous rampage against innocent Israeli commuters, and the sick, depraved bastard who did such horrible things against his own niece, I am feeling really low right now. And angry.

I had better not comment more than that.

162 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:17:44pm

here is a little personal rant----my oldest son is getting married on aug 1--he asked a good friend to be a groomsman--well, this guy used to be like a son to me--he left our state to finish college--met an iranian gal-errr- persian-who wears a hajib (?)--reverted to islam in order to marry her. i really have a hard time dealing with him now-and his wife--i am praying to GOD that i can be civil to him and his wife at the reception-- i will be drinking to celebrate my son and his wife--think i'll stay away from that table--sorryb for the rant--

163 Archimedes  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:17:57pm

Appeasers are the enablers of this sort of thing. They are the ones that give it moral sanction and thus give life to such thugs. "We're all Palestinians Now", I saw that quoted here on lgf recently, but don't recall the source. In their face!

This reminds me of a quote from Ayn Rand on appeasement.

I wondered, even in those years, which is morally worse: evil—or the appeasement of evil, the cowardly evasion that leaves an evil unnamed, unanswered and unchallenged. I was inclined to think that the second is worse, because it makes the first possible. I am certain of it today. [The Ayn Rand Letter / The Lessons of Vietnam]

164 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:18:23pm

As I said earlier... Living in Israel must be like being surrounded by a pack of rabid dogs.

165 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:19:21pm

re: #164 WhiteRasta

now jews can defend themseleves in europa we did not have this right.

166 ciaospirit  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:19:31pm

United we stand. With Israel.

167 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:19:37pm
168 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:19:51pm

re: #162 mikeymom

You are a whole lot more tolerant than I would be.......

169 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:20:04pm

re: #165 yochanan

No.

Being Israel is like being surrounded by a pack of wild dogs. Living in Israel in amazing.

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:20:05pm

re: #141 The Other Les


Some asshole set the video of the attack to a Grateful Dead song listed it on YouTube under Comedy.


That's not just some asshole. That's the asshole from the Islamic Thinkers Society.

171 shug  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:20:28pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Obama's halo of the day: Yahoo pic

He looks like he's being eaten by Pac Man

172 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:21:33pm

re: #162 mikeymom

ooo, that's a tough one. I'd have a hard time not saying something.....obnoxious.

Hang in there, and make it a double.

173 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:21:39pm

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

Israel is one place were Jews can be jews and have a jewish culture.

174 gop_patriot  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:21:57pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Well what do you know. Sonofa-----.

175 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:22:31pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

That's not just some asshole. That's the asshole from the Islamic Thinkers Society.

sunsabitches !

176 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

kilgore,ain't that an oxymoron?

(sure someone has made that one before)

177 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:22:56pm

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

That's all well and good, but if the surrounding barbarians want to bite off your face and eat your children, it kinda sours the view...

178 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:24:18pm

re: #168 WhiteRasta

what am i gonna do? i will just avoid them--btw--i once emailed an anti muslim thingy to all my adress book by mistake--i really didntmean for him to see it-- wow- i got back a scathing reply--maybe rightfully so-i told him it was a mistake--im not computer savvy sometimes

179 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:24:21pm

re: #162 mikeymom

here is a little personal rant----my oldest son is getting married on aug 1--he asked a good friend to be a groomsman--well, this guy used to be like a son to me--he left our state to finish college--met an iranian gal-errr- persian-who wears a hajib (?)--reverted to islam in order to marry her. i really have a hard time dealing with him now-and his wife--i am praying to GOD that i can be civil to him and his wife at the reception-- i will be drinking to celebrate my son and his wife--think i'll stay away from that table--sorryb for the rant--

no prob mom
but i don't see the problem..This guy fell in love with a woman and converted to her religion and married her..Doesn't mean he is a terrorist or anything..
Be friendly..go to thier table and make them feel welcome to your sons wedding...
Hey i married into a huge jewish family and i'm a german/catholic..
ya just never know.. we have 5 kids..It's worked out well..because of love..

180 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:24:25pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

That's not just some asshole. That's the asshole from the Islamic Thinkers Society.

Uh Huh. I usually focus on the assholes of the Left. But I did a youtube search on Jerusalem and found it.

181 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:25:23pm

re: #138 yochanan

o.t.
evil in vermont child rapists murdered the poor girl.
a sex ring hang um high let the buzzards pick there bones.

Affidavit detailing the evidence against Gagnon (the former stepfather charged with concealing evidence)
Warning! Extremely graphic and disturbing!

These beasts should not be allowed to continue polluting this world for one second longer than necessary. Change the law and start hanging child predators en masse, it is the only way.
"Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind" was never more true than in these cases.

182 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:26:00pm

re: #176 Boondock St. Bender

He's a real piece of work; He was born Jewish and reverted to Islam. He now show up in New York holding up signs saying "Nuke Israel" and "Kill the Jews".

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:26:09pm
184 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:26:39pm

re: #178 mikeymom

yes it's a very tricky situation.

185 MacGiolaPhadraig  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:27:37pm

At some point you start to wonder if maybe Calvin had it right concerning the utter depravity of man. Reminds me of the quote:
"To all this we raised no objection, but we have the feeling that .... God with His white beard will come down to earth, swinging a bunch of keys, and will say to humanity, the way they say at 5 o'clock at the Salon, 'Closing time, gentlemen.'"
Oscar Spengler

186 stevieray  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:28:08pm

re: #171 shug

He looks like he's being eaten by Pac Man

Pac man.

187 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:28:59pm

I just noticed that when you flag a video on Youtube one of the options is "Infringes on my rights". How can a video infringe on someone's rights?

188 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:29:31pm

re: #181 shiplord kirel

The Supreme court says you can't do dat.

Kiddie diddlers have rights, too.

189 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:29:51pm

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

It seems a lot of people get cranky when others demonstrate some sort of religious commitment, especially when it's a commitment the cranky person had abandoned.

190 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:29:54pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

if you own the copyright.

191 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:07pm

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. It's too bad that their doing so really disturbs a large portion of the Jewish population.


the debate is what is a jewish culture as there isn't just one way to do that.

192 Alouette  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:25pm

re: #41 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Palestinian's body will probably be handed over to his family for burial.

*spit*

I don't have a problem with that as long as a baggie of pureed body parts is given to each member of his extended clan.

193 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:26pm

re: #184 WhiteRasta

well, i guess i'll just party hearty--had a talk w/my 89 yr old mom in law--she dosent want to attend because--gasp--she HAS to be in bed by 8pm and the wedding starts at 6pm--cant alter her schedule by 2 hrs--sigh

194 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:30pm

woot just finished the last patriot very good book

195 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:31pm

re: #188 WhiteRasta

The Supreme court says you can't do dat.

Kiddie diddlers have rights, too.

Don't you know he wouldn't have killed her if he couldn't be executed

/wait

196 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:30:37pm

re: #190 WrathofG-d

Ahhhhh. That makes sense.

197 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:31:16pm

re: #185 MacGiolaPhadraig

At some point you start to wonder if maybe Calvin had it right concerning the utter depravity of man. Reminds me of the quote:
"To all this we raised no objection, but we have the feeling that .... God with His white beard will come down to earth, swinging a bunch of keys, and will say to humanity, the way they say at 5 o'clock at the Salon, 'Closing time, gentlemen.'"
Oscar Spengler

Let's say he put his finger on a very strong tendency among humankind, but good will exists too. Look at those who help save innocents when catastrophe strikes or who risk their comfortable lives when tyrants oppress a despised minority.

198 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:32:07pm

re: #195 jamgarr

It's just depraved beyond all belief.......

199 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:32:10pm

re: #188 WhiteRasta

The Supreme court says you can't do dat.

Kiddie diddlers have rights, too.

They have the right to remain silent, forever and ever.

200 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:32:45pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

I just noticed that when you flag a video on Youtube one of the options is "Infringes on my rights". How can a video infringe on someone's rights?

Copyright.

201 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:32:57pm

re: #185 MacGiolaPhadraig

In discussing Augustine's use of the term "concupiscence" he [Calvin] writes:
our nature is not only destitute of all good, but is so fertile in all evils that it cannot remain inactive. Those who have called it concupiscence have used an expression not improper, if it were only added, which is far from being conceded by most persons, that everything in man, the understanding and will, the soul and body, is polluted and engrossed by this concupiscence; or, to express it more briefly, that man is of himself nothing else but concupiscence.

(Institutes, Vol. I, Bk. II, Chap. 1, Para. 8; Allen translation.)

This is what is called "taking a dim view," I think.

202 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:33:55pm

re: #200 The Other Les

Yeah, I assumed it was a Canadian style "Human rights" thing.

203 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:34:22pm

re: #199 shiplord kirel

They have the right to be media sluts. The media are their enablers.....

Makes me want to spit....

204 gop_patriot  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:34:27pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

What did you flag it under? I am torn between a couple of things. UGH

205 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:34:34pm

re: #192 Alouette

I don't have a problem with that as long as a baggie of pureed body parts is given to each member of his extended clan.

When I was very young, 1st grade probably, we lived in an East Texas farming town. Down the railroad tracks was a large pig pen. I would go and watch the pigs.

I have a image of tossing the body into the middle of such a pig pen, then tying the ululating aunt to the rails so she'd have to watch.

After a while, toss the aunt in too.

206 Alouette  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:34:36pm

Who else has noticed that whenever you see pictures of Israeli medics transporting victims, they are always stabilized on a stretcher, while in every picture of Pali "medics" evacuating "victims" they are dragged along by the hands and feet in positions that would give anyone a spinal injury?

207 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:34:51pm
208 mikeymom  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:35:01pm

re: #203 WhiteRasta

just dont mess up my monitor please

209 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:35:23pm

re: #204 gop_patriot

I think I used "offensive content".

210 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:36:37pm
211 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:37:05pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

I look forward to visiting Israel, especially when the Temple is rebuilt.

212 MacGiolaPhadraig  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:37:09pm

re: #201 godfrey

This is what is called "taking a dim view," I think.

Luther in his "The Bondage of the Will" didn't disagree.

213 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:37:22pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

sounds like Rehavia interesting place stayed there for a week once.

214 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:37:59pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

Man it sounds wonderful. I just don't trust the barbarians any further than I'd throw the Rocky Mountains....

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:38:15pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; the phenomenon is sort of the faith equivalent of feeling like you're caught taking a test in your underwear.

*grin*

216 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:38:22pm

re: #206 Alouette

Good point. Palestinian stretcher ?

Is that the guy who yanks him down the street ?

217 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:38:34pm

re: #206 Alouette

Who else has noticed that whenever you see pictures of Israeli medics transporting victims, they are always stabilized on a stretcher, while in every picture of Pali "medics" evacuating "victims" they are dragged along by the hands and feet in positions that would give anyone a spinal injury?

Anything that makes life suck is good in a death culture.

And professionalism is an oppressive infidel concept anyway.

218 gop_patriot  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:38:47pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Thanks. Shocking or disgusting content was a choice, I used that.

219 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:39:33pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

Well, they see in that commitment the very thing they've cut out of themselves, so to them the offensive thing still exists, out there. It's interesting how this infuriates them. Quite a psychodrama.

220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:41:05pm
221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:42:07pm

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

That is why, historically, Jews who in the Middle Ages converted to Christianity were often the catalysts for persecutions.

I didn't know that. Interesting.

222 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:43:19pm

re: #212 MacGiolaPhadraig

And Erasmus? IIRC, he left a little wiggle room for the will. Not much. I confess to seeing the whole debate as largely semantic.

Do you know anything about Islamic thought on human will?

223 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:44:45pm

That's that same ass who was posing in front of the Marine posters IIRC

224 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:45:25pm

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

Jews did not convert of there freewill it was death or conversion
so when the Jews tried to still be Jews they were often burned at the stake etc. the Spanish Inquisition is one of the well known examples.

225 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:46:20pm

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

Hasn't it been a miserable business, buzz? It does sort of stun one into wanting just to sit down together, have a drink, and watch the sky until the Pleiades emerge. Leave all the talking to the day, and make every night a sabbath.

226 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:47:47pm

re: #223 Thanos

Yeah, that's him. I thought he was thrown off youtube a few times but his homepage says he's been on for a year.

227 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:49:36pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that's him. I thought he was thrown off youtube a few times but his homepage says he's been on for a year.

Be a good thing to pop over to Rusty's site and let him know.

228 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:50:08pm

re: #206 Alouette

Who else has noticed that whenever you see pictures of Israeli medics transporting victims, they are always stabilized on a stretcher, while in every picture of Pali "medics" evacuating "victims" they are dragged along by the hands and feet in positions that would give anyone a spinal injury?

How dare you apply your ethnocentric concepts like "avoiding spinal injury" to the wonderfully diverse paramedic culture of Palestine.

229 LeePro  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:51:03pm

re: #188 WhiteRasta

The Supreme court says you can't do dat.

Kiddie diddlers have rights, too.

I'd like to see every state in the Union enact death penalty laws for child rapists ANYWAY! Let someone take THAT to the Supreme Court!

/not holding breath...

230 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:51:23pm

re: #224 yochanan

Jews did not convert of there freewill it was death or conversion
so when the Jews tried to still be Jews they were often burned at the stake etc. the Spanish Inquisition is one of the well known examples.

Indeed.

231 Frank_Mtl  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:53:01pm

re: #141 The Other Les
The asshole isn't totally wrong. At this point, Israel's passive stance before such repeated killings of innocent civilians is bordering on comedy indeed.

232 Dolphin  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:53:32pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a special on PBS a couple of weeks ago called "Visions of Israel" It was absolutely beautiful. I recorded it.

I just looked to see if I could find the DVD but could not, however the intro is on youtube.

I have never had the desire to travel outside the US and am now seriously considering a trip to Israel.

233 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:55:05pm

re: #229 LeePro

Hey, I agree. It will never happen......

234 greenmiler  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:55:38pm

I think it is wrong that they shot this guy..they should have 'detained him' for a proper trial...by pinning him to the ground and letting the blade of the track hoe slowly pin his head:)

235 MellyMel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:55:49pm

re: #146 The Other Les

I not supposed to link it?

I'm glad you did -- I flagged it too.

236 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:56:06pm

re: #231 Frank_Mtl

The asshole isn't totally wrong. At this point, Israel's passive stance before such repeated killings of innocent civilians is bordering on comedy indeed.

I wouldn't think so.

237 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:57:07pm

re: #234 greenmiler

In eurabia, the cop would have been charged with shooting an unarmed "victim"....

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:57:26pm
239 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:57:56pm

re: #224 yochanan

Yoch, the skeptics will scoff, but I find it very pleasant to sit down and have a good honest talk about literary, theological, philosophical things. We all don't have to agree, just play by the rules. There is something deeply un-theological and anti-human about the Islamist who wants none of that, at least nothing that can be construed as offensive, and wants to "contribute" to the philosophical world by forcibly hacking at everyone involved in the conversation with a scimitar, real or metaphorical.

Picture the scene. Here is a group of gentlemen having a civilized but rigorous conversation, and in barges some ignorant hyena from the desert, waving around his book, his prophet, and his sword, and wanting to Take Charge of the proceedings provided everyone first bow to him and cough up some dough. I completely understand the impulse to just cap him right there. Spares you the misery of having to fend off the glinting sword at every turn in the conversation.

Feh to the whole rubbish lot.

240 infidelia  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 4:58:55pm

re: #181 shiplord kirel

Affidavit detailing the evidence against Gagnon (the former stepfather charged with concealing evidence)
Warning! Extremely graphic and disturbing!

These beasts should not be allowed to continue polluting this world for one second longer than necessary. Change the law and start hanging child predators en masse, it is the only way.
"Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind" was never more true than in these cases.

At least they have uncovered this one. When I was actively investigating cults we ran into rings like this all the time. If it had anything to do with "cultic" behavior -- wearing masks, staging rituals, killing animals -- we were told it was all "fantasy" or "coached" testimony. There was a perv couple who used to write articles for pedophile magazines who would show up as defense "experts". If it is just adult pervs dragging their kids into a "swingers" ring, well, that's "believable". The kids are just as destroyed and/or dead and it doesn't matter what the trimmings consist of. There is more of this than most people can possibly imagine and I know of at least one case in which a perp has managed to entrench himself in a high security position via blackmail of politicos and other high-prophile creeps like himself.

Plus, if we point out that there are millions of little girls in the Islamic world being dragged into sex at age 9 because of the example set by the Prophet (piss be upon him) we are being "racist". Or we are "insulting their religion".

241 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:00:15pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

And yet other conversions result not in turned-back hatred, but love for the new beloved.

242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:01:36pm
243 Alouette  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:01:42pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

So was the convert, whose name I forget, who agitated for a religious debate between church elders and the Ramban, which culminated in a Talmud-burning in Paris.

Pablo Christiani

244 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:02:56pm

re: #239 godfrey

the skeptics will scoff

Ha! Pshaw! Poppycock!

245 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:03:25pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Nothing to say, really. I just wanted to put that out there.

Some of those books on Chitown you recommended came in the mail the other day. Yippee.

246 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:03:49pm

Big storm coming. I'm out.

247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:05:11pm
248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #241 godfrey

And yet other conversions result not in turned-back hatred, but love for the new beloved.

Are you aware of a little gem of a movie called "Every time we say Goodbye"?

249 Pshawalaw  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:05:27pm

re: #230 Occasional Reader

Well, after viewing that documentary I am convinced of your position.

250 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:06:35pm

re: #9 WrathofG-d

No Arabs, No "Conflict" (Terror)

"Wrath" -

Because of previous practice and citizenship Israeli Citizen Arabs cannot be stopped from getting jobs in "Israel Proper." In their case, Trust But Verify. In the case of Non-Citizen Arabs - REAL SIMPLE - NO WORK PERMITS - NO JOBS - NO MONEY - END OF STORY. If the PA wants their areas to be "JUDENREIN" - OK - Israel will be "ARABISCHEREIN" as to Non-Citizens.
I would rather bring over DARFUR REFUGEES and train them. They at least might be appreciative enough to NOT KILL ISRAELI CITIZENS.
TALAK, TALAK, TALAK - Works Both Ways.

-S-

251 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:07:23pm

re: #239 godfrey

in europa the jew was never equal

252 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:08:08pm

Sounds like a ping

Man arrested, no explosives found at LA airport

No identity given....

253 infidelia  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:09:29pm

re: #252 SasquatchOnSteroids

Sounds like a ping

Man arrested, no explosives found at LA airport

No identity given....

Don't hold your breath waiting for one.

254 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:11:15pm

re: #253 infidelia

Don't hold your breath waiting for one.

I'm not. He was amish, I'm sure of it.

255 Right Brain  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:12:27pm

Its Caterpillar's fault!

256 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:13:46pm

Soxs and rays 1-1
3rd inning..
waiting for an open thread..
The Lizards look to be in fine form tonight..

/say a prayer tonight for the lost souls

257 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:14:19pm

re: #256 HoosierHoops

red or white?

258 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:15:01pm

Sonics headed to Oklahoma City in settlement

A source told the P-I the agreement will allow Bennett to take the franchise to Oklahoma City, while leaving behind the Sonics' name and history along with a cash settlement in the $75 million range
259 LeePro  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:15:42pm

re: #218 gop_patriot

Thanks. Shocking or disgusting content was a choice, I used that.

That's what I used.

How you feeling, {gop}?

I called your parents' # to see if you were still here/getting better. In the process of trying to identify myself, I scared the holy shit outa your dad. He thought I was trying to get hold of them because (he thought) something had happened to you. Then your mom walked up behind him and started up the paper shredder and scared the shit out of him again!

Poor man won't need a laxative for a long time! ! !

lol

260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:16:37pm

From an update on the Augean Stables:

Among his innocent victims is an infant, who was injured in the attack and taken to hospital. Eyewitnesses told police that the murdered mother saved her baby, by throwing the child out the car window, just before the bulldozer crushed her to death.

And the ululating aunt cried out that he's a martyr.

261 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:16:59pm

re: #43 ColdPizza

They should use the same Front end loader to demolish the Terrorists house.

Actually, they shouldn't demolish the house. They should transfer ownership of it to the victims and their families, and charge the terrorist's family rent. If they can't pay, they get deported. If they refuse to pay they get deported.
In either of those cases, Jews get to live there. Let it be known that any Arab who terrorizes Israel, means their house gets transferred to Jewish ownership.

262 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:17:01pm

re: #250 Dr. Shalit

"Wrath" -

Because of previous practice and citizenship Israeli Citizen Arabs cannot be stopped from getting jobs in "Israel Proper." In their case, Trust But Verify. In the case of Non-Citizen Arabs - REAL SIMPLE - NO WORK PERMITS - NO JOBS - NO MONEY - END OF STORY. If the PA wants their areas to be "JUDENREIN" - OK - Israel will be "ARABISCHEREIN" as to Non-Citizens.
I would rather bring over DARFUR REFUGEES and train them. They at least might be appreciative enough to NOT KILL ISRAELI CITIZENS.
TALAK, TALAK, TALAK - Works Both Ways.

-S-

After today's incident, what sane Israeli would allow a Palestinian to operate movable heavy machinery or a motor vehicle on Israeli soil?

263 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #257 yochanan

red or white?

Boston my friend

264 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:17:09pm

Serious Election Blunder by Secretary of State and Washington County Clerk forces Jeff Duyck to Withdraw as Oregon House Candidate

Holy Smokes! This is a completely unacceptable action by the highly partisan Democrat Secretary of State Bill Bradbury.

Oregon Democrats know that they have a serious fight on their hands to retain control of the House of Representatives and that Democrat Chuck Riley is in serious danger of losing this seat to Republican Jeff Duyck. Duyck is a long time resident and business owner in the district and was picking up some serious steam in his campaign.

So what does the SoS do? They simply find a mistake THEY made and force the Republican to withdraw from the race!

265 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:17:55pm

re: #263 HoosierHoops

white sox fan

266 oceansidecon  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:19:05pm

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know if you saw my final recommendation for a book called "Lost Chicago," which has pix of buildings torn down over the years.

Also, there is a book called "Lords of the Levee," about machine politicians Hinky Dink Kenna and Bathhouse John Coughlin, who ruled the First Ward (the red light district) for many years.

A great companion book to "Lost Chicago" is the biography of Richard Nickel - "They All Fall Down". He spent his final years photographing the architectural wonders of Chicago before they were lost to the wrecking ball. Many of the great pieces of architecture were destroyed by Mayor Daley. Unfortunately, Nickel was killed in one of the buildings during the process of demolition while documenting the process. He saved many pieces of Louis Sullivan's buildings - where they now sit in a field in Edwardsville IL.

267 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:19:34pm

Storm's passing to the north.

Yes buzz, I saw all your recs. Got some Algren and Hecht.

268 gop_patriot  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:19:40pm

re: #259 LeePro

OMG ROFLOL I'd better call them! haha!

Thank you for asking. :) I am much better, still taking antihistamines, which make me feel weird. But I'm on the mend, thank God. What a crappy week, although with all the death in the news today, I feel very, very blessed.

(((LeePro)))

269 ZionismRules  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:19:49pm

The BBC, as usual, gives new meaning to the term "media bias." Their headline for the story about today's attack by a Palestinian Arab terrorist: "Israel bulldozer driver shot dead."
The headline is still up: [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

But just in case they subsequently change it, a screen cap is available at: [Link: www.thejidf.org...] and [Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

270 Pshawalaw  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:20:06pm

re: #261 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, they shouldn't demolish the house. They should transfer ownership of it to the victims and their families, and charge the terrorist's family rent. If they can't pay, they get deported. If they refuse to pay they get deported.
In either of those cases, Jews get to live there. Let it be known that any Arab who terrorizes Israel, means their house gets transferred to Jewish ownership.

I love the way you think! Actions and consequences.

271 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:20:14pm

Have any Lizards caught this one yet?

Chris Satullo: A not-so-glorious Fourth

U.S. atrocities are unworthy of our heritage.

Put the fireworks in storage.
Cancel the parade.

Tuck the soaring speeches in a drawer for another time.

This year, America doesn't deserve to celebrate its birthday. This Fourth of July should be a day of quiet and atonement.

For we have sinned.

We have failed to pay attention. We've settled for lame excuses. We've spit on the memory of those who did that brave, brave thing in Philadelphia 232 years ago.

The America those men founded should never torture a prisoner.

The America they founded should never imprison people for years without charge or hearing.

The America they founded should never ship prisoners to foreign lands, knowing their new jailers might torture them.

Such abuses once were committed by the arrogant crowns of Europe, spawning rebellion.

Today, our nation does such things in the name of our safety. Petrified, unwilling to take the risks that love of liberty demands, we close our eyes.

We have done such things, on orders from the Oval Office. We have done them, without general outrage or shame.

Abu Ghraib. Guantanamo. CIA secret prisons. "Rendition" of prisoners to foreign torture chambers.

It's not enough that we had good reason to be scared.

272 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:22:06pm

re: #265 yochanan

white sox fan

My brother loves them!
I went to college on the west coast and fell in love with the giants and the A's..with help from alot of free tickets..
Also. I see the cubbies every year..weekend thing with the boys..
regards..
/ no open thread?

273 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:22:08pm

re: #271 jcm

Can we question his patriotism?

274 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:23:04pm

re: #271 jcm
i for one will be happy on the 4th

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:23:53pm

re: #269 ZionismRules

The Beeb has changed its vowels. Now it's the Boob.

/meaning stupid or foolish, for the sex-obsessed in the audience

276 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:24:47pm

re: #269 ZionismRules

Would that I were PM of the place formerly known as Great Britain.....

I'd make the Iron Lady look like a ..... never mind.

277 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:25:15pm

re: #273 godfrey

re: #274 yochanan

I have a question for this yutz and his fellow travelers:
Which way are the rafts heading?

If suddenly tomorrow, any and all barriers world wide were lifted. Where would people being going?

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:27:04pm

re: #273 godfrey

godfrey ... you're back!

Did you see my #248 upstairs? As I was writing it, you ducked out because of an approaching storm.

279 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:27:58pm

re: #277 jcm

re: #274 yochanan

I have a question for this yutz and his fellow travelers:
Which way are the rafts heading?

If suddenly tomorrow, any and all barriers world wide were lifted. Where would people being going?

Amsterdam..
/throw another softball question.... :)

280 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:28:23pm

re: #271 jcm

Have any Lizards caught this one yet?

Chris Satullo: A not-so-glorious Fourth

This guy needs to be intimately introduced to a Roman Candle.

281 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:31:48pm

re: #248 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey p-B, sorry. No, I haven't seen it. Should I?

282 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:33:12pm
283 Alouette  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:33:23pm

re: #271 jcm

Have any Lizards caught this one yet?

Chris Satullo: A not-so-glorious Fourth

Send him across the border, and pelt him with hockey pucks!

284 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:35:22pm

re: #280 sparrowlake

It looks like a lot of the commenters on that thread are giving him the verbal equivalent of the same! (which is heartening to see.)

285 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:36:07pm

re: #283 Alouette

Send him across the border, and pelt him with hockey pucks!

Yeah, we'll put him in net with no pads and take some shots at his tinny.

286 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:36:53pm

Here's the kind of bull crap Seattle Media dishes out....

Man police shot after chase had pellet gun

HAD the operative word, hindsight, after fact. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY THE COPS SHOT HIS SORRY ASS! What, cops are supposed to call a time out and ask if a displayed firearm is real or not? MORONS!

287 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:25pm
288 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:40:39pm

re: #286 jcm

Here's the kind of bull crap Seattle Media dishes out....

Man police shot after chase had pellet gun

HAD the operative word, hindsight, after fact. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY THE COPS SHOT HIS SORRY ASS! What, cops are supposed to call a time out and ask if a displayed firearm is real or not? MORONS!

I know..my sister lives there...
/hey remember the pics of the 'terrorists' on the Ferry's? unbelievable!

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:40pm

re: #281 godfrey

Hey p-B, sorry. No, I haven't seen it. Should I?

Don't know. It relates, in a way, to your last comment in your ongoing with buzzsaw.

It's a 1986, Israeli-made, romantic drama starring Tom Hanks in his first foray away from comedy. He's a US pilot in the RAF during the North Africa campaign, before Pearl Harbor. In Jerusalem, he and a Sephardic girl fall in love. The story's plot revolves around the reaction of many (though not all) in her family.

It's a gem. It's touching. It's wonderful. The ending makes one long (in vain) for a sequel.

290 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:45:02pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll put it in rotation. Thanks! In return: The Garden of the Finzi-Continis.

291 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:46:21pm

re: #288 HoosierHoops

I know..my sister lives there...
/hey remember the pics of the 'terrorists' on the Ferry's? unbelievable!

I remember, I wrote the Least Intelligence a letter (not published) that recon for a terror strike was a crime and should be investigated.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:46:59pm

Good Grief!

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:47:30pm

re: #290 godfrey

I'll put it in rotation. Thanks! In return: The Garden of the Finzi-Continis.

I just found out it's available on DVD!
Be still my heart!

294 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:51:13pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just found out it's available on DVD!
Be still my heart!

Netflix has it too.

295 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:53:44pm
296 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:54:41pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

What an ass.

Succinct and to the point.

297 aaron's rantblog  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:55:58pm

From where I've been observing today, most Americans seem deeply uncomfortable with images or stories of Jews defending themselves. This has been uniformly true since 1967. Americans have certainly grown apathetic enough not to discomfort themselves to wrest themselves from viewing NASCAR or American Idol to complain to their local TV stations, newspapers or the Whitehouse and State Department to demand public "attaboys" for Israel.

This event should be on NRA posters. Someone with a pistol can stop a massacre.

No, I don't trust the USA to defend Israel. It's too easy for evil Religion of Peace adherents (ok, that was redundant) to strike mortal blows first since US policy is to aggressively leash and shackle Israel at every opportunity. Moreover, every President since Reagan's second term (when James Baker ruled the roost and got greater power under GHW Bush in order to put Baker's dhimmi suck-buddy Shimon Peres in power) has interfered with Israeli elections (Carville) to ensure weak and compromised leaders. If someone offers the 2006 Hezbollah war, I'm convinced that State knew Olmert wasn't up to the task and wanted it to undermine the argument that Israel is a strategic asset to the US.

Someone needs to ask Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton et al if the murderous bulldozer hijacker should have been arrested and put on trial, instead of shot in the head repeatedly. Should the rodef's killer go on trial? Doesn't the pistol suggest that the Virginia Tech and similar campus massacres would have been LESS deadly if licensed gun owners were armed and nearby?

298 LeePro  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:56:46pm

re: #268 gop_patriot

Spoke to AmeriDan today. Wants to have Memphis meet up any of next three Sat or Sun. Can you come? Can your DH?

Just found code for triple hug...

{{{gop}}}

299 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:56:48pm

re: #239 godfrey

Yoch, the skeptics will scoff, but I find it very pleasant to sit down and have a good honest talk about literary, theological, philosophical things. We all don't have to agree, just play by the rules. There is something deeply un-theological and anti-human about the Islamist who wants none of that, at least nothing that can be construed as offensive, and wants to "contribute" to the philosophical world by forcibly hacking at everyone involved in the conversation with a scimitar, real or metaphorical.

Picture the scene. Here is a group of gentlemen having a civilized but rigorous conversation, and in barges some ignorant hyena from the desert, waving around his book, his prophet, and his sword, and wanting to Take Charge of the proceedings provided everyone first bow to him and cough up some dough. I completely understand the impulse to just cap him right there. Spares you the misery of having to fend off the glinting sword at every turn in the conversation.

Feh to the whole rubbish lot.

these hyenas charge in w/ their aggressive demands brandishing swords because they can not contribute anything of value to the conversation. they are infected w/ islam.
everywhere they go they do this because they have nothing to offer.
just crude demands. like the british police ad w/ the puppy. they are angry over something so innocent and wonderful. and they expect w/ their brutish outrage that we should bow to their will.
moslems are a drag on the world. and i do think many people are tiring of their hostile ugliness. you are right they bring nothing to the party but belligerence and a sharp blade.

300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:58:10pm

re: #294 jcm

Netflix has it too.

Yeah, but if I rent it, then I'll HAVE TO LET IT GO WAAAAH!

I just ordered it from Amazon.
I'll send by VHS to an old friend. She'll love it.

301 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:58:39pm

re: #297 aaron's rantblog

The (D) leadership want's us dependent on them. Self defense, self reliance, self determining, self confident are anathema to them and there plans.

I few VT's is so many broken eggs to them.

302 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:58:45pm
303 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:02:15pm

re: #301 jcm

The (D) leadership want's us dependent on them. Self defense, self reliance, self determining, self confident are anathema to them and there plans.

I few VT's is so many broken eggs to them.

(This is a paraphrase I jotted down of Fred Siegel, professor of history, Cooper Union, writing in the WSJ, 7-12-07)

At the heart of modern-day liberalism is a claim to superior virtue, and to special knowledge unavailable to the unwashed and unenlightened.

304 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:04:07pm

re: #302 buzzsawmonkey

I am increasingly convinced that liberals today are a revival of the medieval Flagellants--but, unlike them, our modern-day flagellants are not content to mortify themselves to achieve the Kingdom of Heaven. Their Kingdom of Heaven is to inflict mortification on everyone around them.

The view the world through a glass darkly. But the dark is on the inside, not the outside. But all their opinions, thoughts are based on the dark.

305 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:05:18pm

re: #303 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(This is a paraphrase I jotted down of Fred Siegel, professor of history, Cooper Union, writing in the WSJ, 7-12-07)

At the heart of modern-day liberalism is a claim to superior virtue, and to special knowledge unavailable to the unwashed and unenlightened.

Yep...

306 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:06:36pm

I'm over to the Dissasssociator (or whateverthhellitis) thread ... to harrass Goddess.

307 justdanny  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:18:51pm

My heart is with the victims and their families.

308 aaron's rantblog  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:24:52pm

re: #301 jcm

The Dems fail to note that all of the Amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights are to defend individuals AGAINST the government. More government = less freedom.

309 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:26:02pm

re: #308 aaron's rantblog

The Dems fail to note that all of the Amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights are to defend individuals AGAINST the government. More government = less freedom.

Quite so!

310 peck  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:24:02pm

Thank goodness someone had the presence of mind to defend innocent civilians by taking out the driver and his passengers/friends/companions/whatever. What on earth would be said if all had just watched this happen in some other country? Or, have I missed something and the citizens of Israel are by definition just enemy soldiers and therefore exempt from the so-called laws of war?
Maybe if a view more akin to Israel's position were to prevail, rather than that of the Palestinian Pathetics and Their Groupies and, selective and appropriate portions of the ME were turned to glass, the world would have a chance to stabilize and a bit of oil could perhaps be affordable for even the most needy and destitute. It might be possible there would be fewer 3rd world countries starving, desparate and, dependent solely upon the generosity and largess of the rest of the world.

311 darkster2400  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:28:48pm

Check out this disgusting piece of "journalism" - thanks to Robert Avrech at Seraphic Secret for finding this trash and exposing it to the light of day- Disgusting Journalism

312 carbon footprint  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:29:19pm

The religion of destruction.
I wish Israel would stomp these people into oblivion and go ahead and waste the Irani goverment.

313 darkster2400  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:30:55pm

re: #312 carbon footprint

love the name and avatar!

314 Purple Prose  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:40:19pm

The 2nd Intifada was all the proof anyone about what Palestinians aspire for, war and destruction, if the 1st Intifada and all the terrorism that is now almost forgotten that happened before that were not enough. Yet leftists, most of Europe and the rest of the world for one reason or another continue to sympathize with these brutes. A lot of it is geopolitics and oil and state-run media. The rest of it is just leftist stupidity. I doubt many people anywhere really feel any compassion for the Palestinians in the world, and certainly other Arabs don't (they just like another excuse to rage and rail against the infidel).

So the question is, why does Israel care what the world thinks? The world doesn't give a toss about Palestinians anyway. They just use "Palestinians" as an issue. Issues come and go. Israel should do what it takes to completely and absolutely separate themselves from the Palestinians, and if the Palestinians continue to fire rockets or blow themselves up or bulldoze people, use overwhelming and "disproportionate" force. How can you use disproportionate force against people who want to kill you? No more accepting hudnas and ceasefires, as Olmert has. The Palestinians will not change until the experience total defeat (and maybe not even then, but at least they will be unable to wage war for a good long while).

315 Wild Thing  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:12:21pm

This is horrible!
Prayers for these families of those murdered.

These terrorists are not human beings they are subhumans.

316 PloniAlmoni  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:15:09pm

re: #232 Dolphin

I saw a special on PBS a couple of weeks ago called "Visions of Israel" It was absolutely beautiful. I recorded it.

I just looked to see if I could find the DVD but could not, however the intro is on youtube.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I have never had the desire to travel outside the US and am now seriously considering a trip to Israel.

Yeah, I saw it too. It's a very good depiction of Israel.

317 Abu Lahab  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 6:55:45am

How sad and scary! May all these innocent people rest in peace.

318 Alone in NY  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 7:08:29am

This atrocity could have been worse if there weren't law abiding citizens with firearms on the scene. Just saying.

319 Clubsec  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:01:49am

Some words of doubt from the Pali view claims it was a 'traffic accident' ... yea right. Hit one or two vehicles is an accident.
Taking out a city block of vehicles, overturning a bus and running over a van is not an accident. A CAT 966 is an above average 3 yard loader and it doesn't do much without an operator. Every function on the machine is 'dead-man' controlled, that is you have to hold the throttle to make it move you have to turn the wheel to make it turn and move the bucket control levers to make them fuction. This was a murderous rampage ... period.

I know, ... lets give them a sovern state.

320 Salem  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 3:47:23pm

Oops! I meant to up-ding the thread...

321 DANEgerus  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:57:36am

If this happened in Mecca the Muslims would be howling... so tell me again how Jerusalem is holy to Islam?


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