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Phillips: Someone's Goosestep Is Showing

Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:20:21 pm PDT

Melanie Phillips on the troubling rise of the British National Party: Whoops! Someone’s Goosestep Is Showing.

It is a source of great concern that far too many otherwise decent British people now refuse to believe that the British National Party is what it is — a bunch of viciously racist and anti-Jewish bigots. The recent debacle in the Henley by-election, where the BNP did better than either the Labour party or UKIP , shows that it is now tapping into a disturbing level of support.

This is for two reasons. First, like all far right parties it opportunistically seizes upon genuine grievances that mainstream politicians will not address. At present these centre around the deliberate erosion of British national identity through unlimited immigration and a refusal to tackle the growing Islamisation of Britain. Mainstream liberal opinion holds that even to identify this as a problem is racist or ‘Islamophobic’. The result is that the truly racist BNP (which uses concern about Muslims to camouflage its real animosity against all Asians, people of colour and Jews) has seized upon these issues – with the further result that because it has done so, this ‘proves’ to the liberal classes that these issues are indeed racist. Which, of course, they are not. The idea that the only alternative to cultural and national suicide is neo-fascism is ludicrous. Yet that is precisely what liberal opinion, which demonises all attempts to uphold national identity as racist, holds.

The second reason is the fact that the BNP set out to sanitise its image of such unfortunate connotations of bigotry — going so far as to brandish support for Israel against Hezbollah, for example, to underpin its claim to be an entirely respectable party backed by Jews, black people and other minorities, all united in the mainstream cause of defending British national identity and western values against attack.

Now, however, this pretence appears to have broken down.

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1 Macker  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:23:56pm

Wow! What a wicked scolding of the UK's two main parties. YOU GO MELANIE!

2 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:24:05pm

Melanie Phillips is an international treasure.

3 akak  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:24:48pm

July 2, 1939

4 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:24:52pm
The idea that the only alternative to cultural and national suicide is neo-fascism is ludicrous.

Amen.

5 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:25:24pm
The idea that the only alternative to cultural and national suicide is neo-fascism is ludicrous. Yet that is precisely what liberal opinion, which demonises all attempts to uphold national identity as racist, holds.

Not very liberal, then.

6 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:28:19pm

This is great:

To repeat: fascists and neo-fascists have always exploited genuine grievances which have been ignored by mainstream politicians.

A cautionary tale for everyone.

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:28:38pm
To repeat: fascists and neo-fascists have always exploited genuine grievances which have been ignored by mainstream politicians.

I think party elitists need to quit thinking they somehow know what's best for the people as if the people have no idea themselves. Until then, populist movements will continue to exploit the resentment us "little people" have towards the elite ignoring our concerns.

8 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:29:13pm

Sooner or later, the pretense always breaks down. They can never keep it up for long.

Anybody still interested in defending these guys?

9 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:29:26pm

This is ridiculous! EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY, IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROVEN!

(sorry wrong thread)

10 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:30:19pm

re: #8 TalkinKamel

Anybody still interested in defending these guys?

Only people who can't or won't admit Charles was right.

11 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:30:27pm

i got the pleasure of talking to Melanie Phillips when she came to chicago, a great and smart woman.

12 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:31:15pm
The idea that the only alternative to cultural and national suicide is neo-fascism is ludicrous. Yet that is precisely what liberal opinion, which demonises all attempts to uphold national identity as racist, holds.

Yep. When real problems are pushed out of "polite" mainstream political discourse, that political vacuum tends to become occupied by thugs.

13 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:32:06pm

re: #9 Occasional Reader

This is ridiculous! EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY, IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROVEN!

(sorry wrong thread)

OH YEAH!? Well GRAVITY is "just a theory," too! Don't let the moon hit your ass on the way out of the solar system!

14 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:33:31pm

Actually, when things really go to hell, the Left will embrace the BNP. They will say, "We can control the BNP."

15 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:34:08pm

the subject of this thread is melanie philips and the fascist BNP please stick to the topic

16 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:34:39pm

re: #15 yochanan

the subject of this thread is melanie philips and the fascist BNP please stick to the topic

good grief lighten up yo

17 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:35:23pm

re: #14 Tigger2005

Maybe the Left can sic the BBC on them.

18 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:35:36pm

re: #15 yochanan

the subject of this thread is melanie philips and the fascist BNP please stick to the topic

We're kidding.

19 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:35:55pm

re: #16 Tigger2005

i don't give a damn about i.d. and just wish it would say on i.d. threads it seems to create devision and i am bored of it.

20 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:36:00pm

re: #15 yochanan

I fully expect to see you post a similar comment in the future when comments are posted concerning baseball, or likewise off topic ramblings.

Until then- get a sense of humor.

21 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:36:31pm

Yoch, why did MP come to Chicago? Book tour?

22 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:36:39pm

I recall from a year or two back that the BNP was at least pretending to drop its hostility to Jews... anyone remember that?

23 Thanos  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:37:30pm

Waiting for someone to show up and give us the "well we allied with Stalin" line...

24 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:37:39pm

I don't remember. I'd like to know if there are particular BNP strongholds.

25 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:02pm

re: #9 Occasional Reader

This is ridiculous! EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY, IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROVEN!

(sorry wrong thread)

*whack*

26 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:09pm

re: #20 Sharmuta


baseball is harmless

27 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:16pm

Before WWII, they called themselves the British Union of Fascists, and one of the Mitford girls married their leader. I actually met an Englishman in NYC several years ago who told me, defending the BUF, that had the BUF prevailed in elections, there would have been no Second World War.

Of course not! Had the BUF controlled England, the English would have been cheering Hitler on!

28 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:29pm

re: #23 Thanos

Waiting for someone to show up and give us the "well we allied with Stalin" line...

Well, we allied with Stalin......
/

29 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:36pm

re: #26 yochanan

baseball is harmless

Nonsense- ever get hit with one?

30 Macker  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:47pm

re: #25 jcm

You were whacking OR upside his head, right? Right!

31 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:38:48pm

re: #26 yochanan

baseball is harmless

Till you catch a line drive in the junk.

32 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:39:04pm

re: #30 Macker

You were whacking OR upside his head, right? Right!

Yep!

33 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:39:18pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

Problem is, baseball and off-topic ramblings don't produce the sort of flame war/knock-down-drag-out-fights that ID and evolution do. I'd hate to see the topic of this thread forgotten in yet another Creationism/evolution fight; Melanie Phillips is raising some vital issues here.

34 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:40:27pm

re: #28 jcm

Me, I'm waiting for the "Don't you see? We have no other choice! We must choose Facism, in order to save ourselves!"

35 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:40:38pm

re: #33 TalkinKamel

Problem is, baseball and off-topic ramblings don't produce the sort of flame war/knock-down-drag-out-fights that ID and evolution do. I'd hate to see the topic of this thread forgotten in yet another Creationism/evolution fight; Melanie Phillips is raising some vital issues here.

sweet jebus I WAS KIDDING, PEOPLE

36 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:40:56pm

BNP has a long history of anti semitism and fascism.

37 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:41:17pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

I do, and I also remember thinking at the time that it wouldn't last.

Am I a prophetic Kamel, or what?

38 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:41:30pm

I see everyone focused on the key phrases, like:

... opportunistically seizes upon genuine grievances that mainstream politicians will not address.

IOW, the power is there to grab, and someone will grab it. Law of nature. So, what do we do about it?

39 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:41:40pm

re: #33 TalkinKamel

my point exactly.

40 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:24pm

re: #34 TalkinKamel

Me, I'm waiting for the "Don't you see? We have no other choice! We must choose Facism, in order to save ourselves!"

That was the crux of the argument in some of the early VB threads.

41 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:47pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

sweet jebus I WAS KIDDING, PEOPLE

I know that!

42 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:52pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

sweet jebus I WAS KIDDING, PEOPLE

Me TOOOO!

43 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:53pm

Here's the wiki on the BNP, fwiw. It's a "whites only" party? lol Unbelievable.

44 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:42:58pm

re: #37 TalkinKamel

I do, and I also remember thinking at the time that it wouldn't last.

Am I a prophetic Kamel, or what?

The BNP leader gave some sort of speech to the effect of "Jews are real Brits, too, so we support them", right? You could almost feel his nose getting longer as you read about it.

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:43:11pm

re: #33 TalkinKamel

First- I agree about the article.

But my point is that other likewise important threads get plenty of OT comments posted on them, and I was just asking for some consistency. Personally- I like talking on topic. If I wanted to read comments live blogging a game, I'd go to a sports blog.

So..... think gov will cover this?

46 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:43:27pm

re: #38 itellu3times

I see everyone focused on the key phrases, like:

IOW, the power is there to grab, and someone will grab it. Law of nature. So, what do we do about it?

Grab it ourselves?

47 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:44:32pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

I doubt GOV will cover this. If they do, it will be from the point of view of "Well, we allies with Stalin" and "They're the only people who can save Europe!"

48 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:44:59pm
re: #9 Occasional Reader
This is ridiculous! EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY, IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROVEN!

(sorry wrong thread)re: #13 Tigger2005
OH YEAH!? Well GRAVITY is "just a theory," too! Don't let the moon hit your ass on the way out of the solar system!

Good Grief...
I thought every one who made it through the second grade knew that there is no such thing as gravity.

The Earth Sucks!
That's the troof.

Thank you, that's all fer now.
// {;-)™

49 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:45:33pm

re: #31 jcm

Till you catch a line drive in the junk.

I always found the second bounce to be most problematic.
LOL.

50 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:47:00pm

re: #44 Occasional Reader

At first, the BNP needed the support of both the Jews, and those who didn't want any part of their racism and antisemetism; so, yeah, they had to pretend they supported Israel, and were 110% behind their "good", home-grown, authentically British Jews.

Now they feel safer, more powerful, and with less of a need to hide their real agenda, the mask is coming off.

51 yochanan  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:47:37pm

re: #21 godfrey

the jewish federation had a forum and she was one of the speakers.

52 Tigger2005  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:47:47pm

re: #46 Tigger2005

Grab it ourselves?

To answer my own question, well yes. But we have to be prepared to make sacrifices, which could include losing jobs for not toeing the politically correct line...and lawsuits from CAIR or being hauled before a kangaroo human rights court, and ostracization as "racists." Which is why I've always felt the sane people of the world need to unite and create a "superfund" to help each other out when we're persecuted for trying to do the right thing.

53 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:47:47pm

re: #48 Da_Beerfreak

Good Grief...
I thought every one who made it through the second grade knew that there is no such thing as gravity.

The Earth Sucks!
That's the troof.

Thank you, that's all fer now.
// {;-)™

Gravity is not the issue.... it when the ground gets in the way that shit happens.

54 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:49:42pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

So..... think gov will cover this?

Nope.

55 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:51:15pm

re: #54 Irish Rose

Yeah- I think they'll get right on it after they're done covering david duke's visit. ;p

56 godfrey  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:52:39pm

re: #55 Sharmuta

I'm still really disappointed in GOV.

57 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:53:31pm

re: #56 godfrey

I'm still really disappointed in GOV.

I'm even more disappointed with Pamela.

58 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 5:56:51pm

Melanie says: Who is to blame for the rise of the BNP? Labour’s zealot nation-destroyers and the feeble hand-wringers of the Conservative party.

That's absolutely correct.

Our political leaders, throughout the Western world, continue to underestimate the level of the Islamic threat.

For every instance of capitulation, there will be a few more pints of blood shed in the future.

59 grumpy old codger  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:06:20pm

FYI, Just for chuckles "the Blues Brothers" is on HBO. I can just imagine Jake saying "I hate BNP nazis".

60 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:07:57pm

i really admire melanie phillips.
she is doing very important work.

61 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:12:06pm

re: #57 Irish Rose

I'm even more disappointed with Pamela.

isn't pamela jewish?
many german jews in the l930's never thought hitler would turn on them.
hitler didn't care that they felt german and could trace their ancestry in germany back hundreds of yrs.

62 Archimedes  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:15:48pm

Neo Nazi = BNP = Duke University = Postmodernist = Racist/Collectivist

It's all the same.

Sorry to repeat, but it annoys me no end that people don't equate pomos with racism, when that is what they are. They are the ones who are giving it moral legitimacy and pretending, all the while, not to be racist. In fact, they use the racism charge against people who think Islamacists are engaged in a war against the West.

Racism is being actively taught in virtually every school and university in the West via Postmodernism. It's the philosophy of our times, just like Nazism was taught in universities in Germany back in the day. We need to recognize this fact and condemn them for this. Shame them into changing.

I submit to you the reason we are hearing so much about racism today (it's worse than I can ever remember) is because it is being taught. It's just given a different name, "diversity", which is supposed to be nice.

It can be countered successfully with individualism, but this is rejected by many modern intellectuals, so they continue to fan the flames of racism all the while attempting to inoculate them selves against the charge.

63 Josephine  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:24:16pm

Folks, I posted a question at the bottom of what turned out to be a dead thread (that's me, always late to the party). I think it was sort of on-topic there and here.

I would appreciate it if you would read it and tell me what you think. I don't know anything about these people but some of you might. It sounds racist to me. (Of course, the mention of Pat Buchanon is a tip-off.)

My question on the dead thread

Thanks.

64 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:27:26pm

re: #63 Josephine

Folks, I posted a question at the bottom of what turned out to be a dead thread (that's me, always late to the party). I think it was sort of on-topic there and here.

I would appreciate it if you would read it and tell me what you think. I don't know anything about these people but some of you might. It sounds racist to me. (Of course, the mention of Pat Buchanon is a tip-off.)

My question on the dead thread

Thanks.

Read Tribes. And if you haven't, read all of Bill's essays.

65 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:28:24pm

re: #57 Irish Rose

I'm even more disappointed with Pamela.

Pamela Geller? A tad bombastic, but can you doubt her commitment to the survival of Israel?

66 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:36:29pm

re: #63 Josephine

Folks, I posted a question at the bottom of what turned out to be a dead thread (that's me, always late to the party). I think it was sort of on-topic there and here.

I would appreciate it if you would read it and tell me what you think. I don't know anything about these people but some of you might. It sounds racist to me. (Of course, the mention of Pat Buchanon is a tip-off.)

My question on the dead thread

Thanks.

Their list of blogs and sites includes Fjordman and Pat Buchanan, and Paul Belien, among others. I have no clue who VDARE is. Their info claims that they are a site for discussion of immigration issues as related to America's safety.

67 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:39:17pm

re: #63 Josephine

And, I agree they seem to be a somewhat suspect organization.

68 Drained Brain  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:41:41pm

Melanie Phillips is indeed a treasure but I'll politely call her on "like all far right parties," finding the polar dichotomies to fall between "individualism" and "collectivism." Count me as leaning toward the "individualism" side of the equation.

69 rightymouse  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:41:48pm

re: #65 ContraJihadi

Pamela Geller? A tad bombastic, but can you doubt her commitment to the survival of Israel?

Yes.

70 stevieray  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:45:30pm

re: #65 ContraJihadi

Pamela Geller? A tad bombastic, but can you doubt her commitment to the survival of Israel?

I don't doubt her commitment, just her judgment and tactics.

71 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:47:36pm

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Their list of blogs and sites includes Fjordman and Pat Buchanan, and Paul Belien, among others

That's a who's who of red flags.

72 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:50:12pm

re: #70 stevieray

I don't doubt her commitment, just her judgment and tactics.

This may be true, and if so, comprises a moment of tragedy in the contra Jihad movement.

Still, the stakes are very high, and while I respect Charles and obviously benefit from his skill and generosity as a web master, I sometimes wish he could find a path of reconciliation with Pamela, who still admires him.

73 Josephine  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:50:40pm

re: #64 jcm

Thank you; I have bookmarked it and will read it tomorrow (it's almost bedtime here). Who is the writer?

I glanced at his article and didn't notice any mention of the people mentioned in the blog I asked about.

I'm curious about their backgrounds, etc. Are any of them known to be racist? Are that person's statements an anomaly for that organization? Or is it par for the course, coming from them?

I find it very disturbing that someone is doing "his dissertation at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government on the topic of immigration and IQ."

74 Josephine  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:53:37pm

re: #67 reine.de.tout

Thank you for your replies. I hadn't thought to look at their blog roll.

75 rightymouse  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 6:54:57pm

re: #70 stevieray

I don't doubt her commitment, just her judgment and tactics.

If her judgement and tactics are off for this long, then perhaps her commitment isn't that sure-footed.

76 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:02:39pm

re: #57 Irish Rose

I'm even more disappointed with Pamela.

Gad, is she trying to argue it's a good idea to ally with VB?

What is she thinking?

77 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:11:41pm

re: #46 Tigger2005

IOW, the power is there to grab, and someone will grab it. Law of nature. So, what do we do about it?

Grab it ourselves?

So let's go already, but exactly what do you have in mind?

Have to find a couple of good candidates, give them staff support and get them money, run and win elections. I kept hoping a friend of mine would run. I keep wondering if I could run. Maybe I could talk, but I'm not pretty enough, don't have a wife and 2.7 kids and a dog. Well heck, I'm prettier than Henry Waxman.

Maybe I can be something like Karl Rove when I grow up.

78 jcm  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:15:05pm

re: #73 Josephine

Thank you; I have bookmarked it and will read it tomorrow (it's almost bedtime here). Who is the writer?

I glanced at his article and didn't notice any mention of the people mentioned in the blog I asked about.

I'm curious about their backgrounds, etc. Are any of them known to be racist? Are that person's statements an anomaly for that organization? Or is it par for the course, coming from them?

I find it very disturbing that someone is doing "his dissertation at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government on the topic of immigration and IQ."

Bill Whittle wrote Tribes, a 911 conservative or at least that put him over the line, good stuff.

I did a quick survey, VDARE and author or out on the edge of the immigration issue. Without further research hard to say how far, but enough so I'd be uncomfortable with it until proven.

79 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:21:48pm
80 Josephine  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:23:55pm

re: #78 jcm

Thanks again for your replies.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels uncomfortable with that blog post.

81 Josephine  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:25:03pm

re: #79 ploome hineni

That's sickening.

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:26:15pm

re: #72 ContraJihadi

This may be true, and if so, comprises a moment of tragedy in the contra Jihad movement.

Still, the stakes are very high, and while I respect Charles and obviously benefit from his skill and generosity as a web master, I sometimes wish he could find a path of reconciliation with Pamela, who still admires him.

She could try apologizing for claiming Charles was in bed with cair, for one.

83 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:29:07pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

My apologies. This is a topic I really don't care to discuss, nor should I. I will leave it at the fact that it was Charles who was attacked by a friend, and, imo, the burden to make amends is not on him.

84 reno911  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:41:36pm

Since there is only one race (human) how can there be racists? Invoking the racist label, is just a tool used to end debate. The actual debate (nee conflict) is over culture, religion, economic policy, political systems....not how much pigment is in one's skin.

One school of thought holds that all cultures, religions, political systems are equal. One should not advocate his/her culture et. al. as being superior to another. Let the chips fall where they may, so to speak.

Another school of thought holds that there are significant differences in culture, religion, political systems. One should absolutely advocate his/her culture et. al. in order that it should survive.

If we look at this historic conflict between cultures from an evolutionary based perspective, we see that relatively weak cultures do not survive. They are defeated by relatively superior cultures. And in the process, the superior culture evolves into a stronger entity that improves the lot on men on earth. All working towards the end of history, as some have described it.

Enter Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). With these weapons relatively weak cultures can destroy superior cultures. WMD can take forms not usually associated with explosive power also. Mass immigration, higher birthrates, withholding critical commodities (oil) being examples.

Evolutionary speaking, what happens when "weakness" is allowed by Nature to "win" the battle of the fittest? Well, we don't know because it does not happen in nature. The strong survive. But I suspect "weakness" winning, is a huge step backwards.

I think we all agree that our American culture is in an existential battle with other culture(s), and that WMD changes the equation.

The question then becomes, do we fight with one hand behind our back or do we fight to win? How do we survive?

Frankly, I don't presume to know. But I do know we need better leadership.

85 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:49:04pm
The result is that the truly racist BNP (which uses concern about Muslims to camouflage its real animosity against all Asians, people of colour and Jews) has seized upon these issues – with the further result that because it has done so, this ‘proves’ to the liberal classes that these issues are indeed racist. Which, of course, they are not. The idea that the only alternative to cultural and national suicide is neo-fascism is ludicrous. Yet that is precisely what liberal opinion, which demonises all attempts to uphold national identity as racist, holds.

Melanie is spot on in this article. The Islamists must be delighted with the work that the BNP are doing for them, and vice versa. I'm sure that deep down, they wish each other every success.

86 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:52:39pm

VDARE is a racialist site which features the writings of Steve Sailer.

From Wikipedia: Steve Sailer is a writer and movie critic for The American Conservative, especially controversial for his articles on race, human biology, and gender issues.

I've always thought his writings to be too heavily focused on the ideas of inherent genetic differences in the races, often focusing, as I recall, on differences in intelligence per race.

He never gets into racist name-calling (or, not in anything I have ever read), but his pre-occupation with race seems unhealthy.

Here's something else I found on Wiki about Sailer:

Sailer argues that there needs to be more discussion of "racial reality;"[2] for example, his contention that a supposed "racial IQ gap" is related to a report that people of African origin have a lower distribution of brain gene variants that other populations have[3] and tend to have inferior capacities for judgment and need "stricter moral guidance from society."

87 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 7:58:37pm

More on Steve Sailer from Media Matters:

Following the Hurricane Katrina disaster, Sailer wrote in a September 3, 2005, VDARE.com column that the "unofficial state motto" of Lousiana, "Let the good times roll," is "an especially risky message for African-Americans," adding: "The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society." Sailer also wrote that "there was only minimal looting after the horrendous 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan -- because, when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks." Later, he stated: "Poor black people seldom cooperate well with each other because they don't trust other blacks much, for the perfectly rational reason that they commit large numbers of crimes against each other."

New York Post columnist John Podhoretz, writing on National Review Online's The Corner weblog, condemned Sailer's "shockingly racist" September 3, 2005, column as containing "The Most Disgusting Sentence Yet Written About Katrina." Podhoretz added: "Nobody with the unspeakable gall and tastelessness to write such sentences should be suggesting that any other person on earth requires 'stricter moral guidance.' " VDARE.com was described by the Rocky Mountain News on July 15, 2006, as a "white nationalist Web site." Peter Brimelow, who operates the site through his nonprofit organization the Center for American Unity, wrote that "VDARE.COM is obviously not a 'White Supremacist' site, if for no other reason than that it publishes non-whites. We do publish writers who could fairly be described as 'white nationalists,' in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites."

[Link: 209.85.141.104...]

88 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:01:18pm

For the record, Media Matters may be funded by George Soros:

Funding sources
In May 2004, the New York Times reported that Media Matters has received "more than $2 million in donations from wealthy liberals" and "was developed with help from the newly formed Center for American Progress".[16] According to the Cybercast News Service, Media Matters has received financial support from MoveOn.org, Peter Lewis, and the New Democratic Network.[17]

According to Bill O'Reilly and others, George Soros is funding Media Matters through Democracy Alliance -- an organization of progressive donors.[18][19] The Democracy Alliance does not collect and distribute money on behalf of its members. Alliance members donate directly to the organizations of their choice.[20] Media Matters has stated publicly on numerous occasions that Soros has never given money to the organization either directly or through another organization

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Media Matters is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

89 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:04:54pm

Here's Podhoretz comment on Steve Sailer from NRO's "The Corner Blog":

The Most Disgusting Sentence Yet Written About Katrina... [JPod]


...may not be Kanye West's denunciation of Bush after all. I think West is given a run for his money by by Steve Sailer's shockingly racist and paternalistic riff off of the New Orleans slogan "Let the good times roll," on the website vdare.com. "What you won’t hear, except from me, is that 'Let the good times roll' is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society."


Nobody with the unspeakable gall and tastelessness to write such sentences should be suggesting that any other person on earth requires "stricter moral guidance."


[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

90 Pastorius  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:05:38pm

To sum it up,
I've never trusted Sailer. As I said, he is pre-occupied with racial differences.

91 joecitizen  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:32:54pm

re: #15 yochanan

the subject of this thread is melanie philips and the fascist BNP please stick to the topic

have you ABSOLUTELY no sense of humor?

92 Red Pencil  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:37:00pm

re: #9 Occasional Reader

This is ridiculous! EVOLUTION IS JUST A THEORY, IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROVEN!

(sorry wrong thread)

If the BNP had been active in Darwin's time it might have been called the Theory of DEvolution.

93 joecitizen  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:39:59pm

re: #79 ploome hineni

.......since you mention goosestep...


another one


this is absolutely astounding to me and further proof that the boogeymen NEVER really go away and that we must be vigilant and prepare to confront them and their sickness at all times...

94 Longbow  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 8:43:50pm

Very sad commentary in regards to our times . Our leaders , our elite from the government , academia , media and business succumb to the enchanting spell of Political Correctness , Moral Relativity , Historical relativism , Racial Preference and Affirmative Action and all the " isms " that originated from the Frankfurt school of Marxism that in the long run instead of uniting people regardless of origin , it further divides them . The rise of the British National Party is not a surprise , it is the reaction of the British People to the idiotic policies of their country's elite that disparage their history , pander to minorities , took away their rights and restricting their right to free speech and criticism to sooth Muslim sensibilities as well as surrendering their country to a foreign entity for the sake of politics . In the next few years , Nationalist parties with extremely racist and bigoted platforms will someday win the majority and the artificial political construct which is the EU will be burn to ground and covered with the blood of politicians , bureaucrats and all the minorities they pandered to , innocent and guilty alike .

Unfortunately , sooner or later , the same thing will happen to the US . Because of the idiocy of our elite that tells us that this country is evil , illegal Mexican immigrants have rights because the US "stole" their land , we are racists if we criticize Americans of African descent for their member's idiocy and they should have more rights for the fact their ancestors used to be slaves, that Christians and Jews are the worse thing that happened in the US , that being white is the greatest sin , we should dig this or dig that because it will harm the environment and we have to pay higher taxes so the government will redistribute our income to those who are in need . Sooner or later , Americans will get tired of it and there will come a political party whose slogan would be America for Americans and people will flock to it and guess what , every illegal immigrant , every race panderer , every political figure that sold his/her country for votes , power and money , judicial activists and all other activists will face the wrath of a very nationalistic Americans that will not spare them . Those who hate America will be cast out and race panderers will be returned to their ancestors' homeland with nothing more than their clothes on their backs and the borders will be closed permanently to all immigrants especially of Mexican citizenship . Judicial activists will be hanged along with lawyers , journalists and professional politicians . A second American civil war is possibility and the sad fact is , that everyone will know who will win that one especially if the US military decide that they have enough of being the scapegoat for political ambitions of unscrupulous politicians

The rise of the BNP is a warning sign from the canary in the coal mine . We must take heed of it's warning . Unfortunately , I fear , we will face the abyss in all it's horror before we crawl our way out with dreadful cost . The clock is ticking and every second we let our idiots remain in power brings us closer to disaster .

95 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:07:48pm

re: #94 Longbow

There isn't going to be a civil war in the U.S. over this. Long before it comes to major blood in the streets, there will be political blood in the election returns.

If the people are that riled up over immigration, the candidates endorsed by Lou Dobbs etc. will win. The other candidates will lose. Immigration will tighten up drastically.

There's a price to pay for shutting off all immigration. We lose the immigrants. You laugh. But take a deep breath. Not all immigrants are illegal. Many of them are here because they bring talents to the U.S. that are in scarce supply in every age and among every people. Others are here because they're political or religious refugees. Sometimes, the two categories merge, as in the case of Pardis Sabeti. Going back to earlier times, as in the case of Albert Einstein, John von Neumann, Edward Teller and others.

There's also a price to pay for civil war. What are you, nuts? At least one of the warring sides would have nukes. Even if it dissolved into mere riots and assassinations, we'd be very sorry. That sort of stuff tends to bring to power Brown Shirts. Sounds like fun? Remember what happened to the Brown Shirts. Dictators take out the trash after the trash takes them through the gates to power.

The answer to our troubles is public education and reasoned persuasion. This can take a long time to get through to the target audience, and some tough love, in the form of voting the rascals out of office, will be needed, but it's the only way to go. If you think that struggles at the ballot box are too slow and they never work anyhow, look to the example of William Wilberforce. It took a lifetime, but he and his cause prevailed, even though it started out as an exercise in futility.

96 Render  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:15:30pm

re: #63 Josephine

VDARE is run by one Peter Brimelow.

Whom I mentioned in this post...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NEW
CLEAR
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97 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:16:23pm
'Let the good times roll' is an especially risky message for African-Americans. The plain fact is that they tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society

Fer fuck's sake, Mr. Whitey McMightybrain can't even get his own story straight. Is poor judgment a problem that African-Americans suffer from because they lack proper education, or were they born that way?

98 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:29:21pm

Render! Good to see you, matey. I'm still thinking about what I should or shouldn't say in my blog post on Lawrence Auster. Mainly because at this point it seems kind of futile to even bother attacking Lawrence Auster, and maybe I should just account for my behavior towards Evariste and DL.

By the way, children, here's a fun game: can you mix up the letters in the phrase A CURRENT WEASEL to find the name of one of the most prominent Web-intellectuals and "race realists" of our time?

99 Longbow  Wed, Jul 2, 2008 9:47:10pm

I am a legal immigrant so I have a very large stake in this country and I am fully aware of what is going on . Let us be honest here , have you read in any national newspapers that differentiate legal immigrants and illegal aliens , that extols the sacrifices that legal immigrants have to do in order to get in into this country . How they have to pay thousands of dollars to get their papers in order , how to wait in line in front of the US embassy , the hardship and the heartache that we suffered when we left our families behind and to do the same thing with the INS whose staff are sometimes rude , condescending and sometimes , overtly racist . And the long wait for the Green card . And then we read that illegal immigrants are not only demanding green cards and but also immediate citizenship and the politicians . the media and a lot of this country's elite are pandering to them not only at our expense , but to all of you American citizens .

Have you read the papers , there are Americans , your own countrymen , who are more than willing to destroy this great nation from the inside . There are american elite who joyously celebrated September 11 , 2001 in their homes and in their offices hoping that America would fall the next day . There are Americans who are more than willing to help terrorists to smuggle or build a nuke or any forms of WMD and have an american city destroyed just to assuage their guilty feelings or avenge their fallen ideology .

You talk about reasoned discourse and you describe the efforts of William Wilberforce , but you have forgotten a very simple fact , he and his country never have to face three determined enemies , Radical Islam , Radical environmentalism and the Liberal Left who had the money , control the institutions of academia , media , judiciary ,legislature and business and they had influenced many young men and women to their disastrous mind set . How can you reason to brain washed fools , how can one have a reasoned discourse against a man that already dismissed you as a simpleton. How can you speak against the evil of society when the media have already labeled you as a racist and a bigot . Or if you are the same color as to those you criticized , you are called Uncle Tom or a race traitor , a sell out . Michelle Malkin , Thomas Sowell , Clarence Thomas were called various names and Clarence Thomas was slandered during his confirmation prior to his becoming a member of the Supreme Court .

We must not ignore the possibilities just because they are horrible to contemplate , our enemies have no qualms about those possibilities therefore we that love this country must prepare for them .

100 Call me Infidel  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:38:24am
and to do the same thing with the INS whose staff are sometimes rude , condescending and sometimes , overtly racist .

Don't know about the racist bit but I agree with you re the rudeness. Is it some special training they get?

Longbow you do make some good points. The Britain that Melanie Phillips is discussing is a very different place from that in which I grew up in. A large part of this is due to the open borders policy which successive government have allowed to develop.

The BNP is latching on to this general unease and exploiting it. The other mainstream parties dare not mention immigration lest they dig up the corpse of Enoch Powell. They are effectively being hoisted by their own petard. The BNP will continue to exploit this and they are not alone. Did anyone read of Silvio Berlusconi's plan to fingerprint all gypsies in Italy. Did this not set off alarm bells?

I think Europe is coming apart at the seams and the same old fascists will demonise the same groups. It might be islam this week as there are more of them, but they will work they way around to Judaism and gypsies. It's going to get ugly. A comment earlier mentioned that the leftists will vote for the BNP. I would actually say that the kind of people who vote Labour will vote BNP. Labour by and large get elected by the politics of envy. The feckless and idle often want a party which will do a Robin Hood and steal from the rich to give to the poor. The real leftists are the Liberal elites like Polly Toynbee who say one thing and do another. They could care less as they have money to burn.

The BNP are socialists and will be promising to take from the rich to give to the poor. People that voted Labour in the past will vote BNP because the BNP are telling them Labour has sold them out. In many respects it isn't far from the truth. Labour has allowed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people from to come to the UK and claim welfare. It has started to affect everyone and now that the economy is going down the toilet people are getting fractious. For the BNP to finish ahead of Labour in a by-election is a truly worrying development.

101 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:42:49am
102 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:49:21am
103 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:53:39am
104 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:55:39am
105 theblakester  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 12:59:34am

Just want everyone here to keep the BNP in line when looking at CAIR. The more people recognize them for what they really are, they will try and morph into a softer image. This will in turn mask the true identityy and hatred. Then they can really become dangerous.This will be true of any hate group.
So, as the BNP gain a softer image, the fact remains that they have some huge grievances to play on. No other group is offering any real change to combat the problems they face in Britain. When you have half your country in love with Pakistan more than your own, you have a big problem!

106 jcw46  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 1:25:30am

re: #98 Throbert McGee

Render! Good to see you, matey. I'm still thinking about what I should or shouldn't say in my blog post on Lawrence Auster. Mainly because at this point it seems kind of futile to even bother attacking Lawrence Auster, and maybe I should just account for my behavior towards Evariste and DL.

By the way, children, here's a fun game: can you mix up the letters in the phrase A CURRENT WEASEL to find the name of one of the most prominent Web-intellectuals and "race realists" of our time?

OOOO, OOOO (waving hand in air)
I know, I Know.

107 Annar  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 4:29:13am

With the Islamophobia show trials in the PC courts Canada has shown that it is following the British model by suppressing free speech on a critical issue. The U.S. has taken its first steps by imposing speech codes at the State Department and by coddling groups like CAIR. So lets not be surprised when the Islamic pressure groups learn how to master the identity politics game. Advance signs show that this will be another group under the Democrat party limited speech tent where only members of a particular group are allowed to speak with impunity on societal problems concerning that group.

108 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 4:56:27am

re: #106 jcw46

OOOO, OOOO (waving hand in air)
I know, I Know.

Oh, someone gets a cupcake! Молодец!

109 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 4:58:31am

re: #108 Throbert McGee

Молодец !

(Oops, forgot to add: that's molodets, pronounced "mah-lahd-YETS," and meaning something like "What a smart youngster you are!")

110 Land Shark  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 7:37:39am

Ms Phillips is dead on. And I was really pleased to see her put the blame squarely where it belongs, on Labour and the spineless Conservatives selling out their country on the altar of multiculturalism.

And once again Charles is vindicated on his anti-white supremacist stand. It didn't take that long for the BNP's hatred of those eveeel Jooos and Zee-o-nists to bubble back up to the surface, heh? If it quacks like a racist...

111 Longbow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 8:29:10am

Ploome

Sorry , I don't want any sympathy from anybody particularly from the media , from the government and everybody else in between . What I want is that the pandering elite would not print , extol the boo-hoo stories of illegal aliens coming here to the US . It affects every legal immigrants especially those waiting for their immigration acceptance letter in their home countries .

As for my assertion that some INS workers are racists . Do this test especially in cities that are well known for being sanctuary cities . Get in line to the immigration help desk and if you are lucky , the people behind the desk is not white or asian and those in front of you have the same ancestry as the one behind the desk . Now , time their attention to them by those immigration workers and see how they are treated and how long they take helping them with their problem no matter how simple it is . Now , when it's your turn , see how well you are treated and see how fast you are dismissed and then hang around for a little bit to see how others are treated , if you notice that everybody are treated the same way as you regardless of racial ancestry , then you can discount it to rudeness , but if you notice that there are some applicants who are more equal than others , how can you explain that . It happened to me in the late nineties .

112 Josephine  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 8:31:59am

re: #87 Pastorius

...VDARE.com was described by the Rocky Mountain News on July 15, 2006, as a "white nationalist Web site." Peter Brimelow, who operates the site through his nonprofit organization the Center for American Unity, wrote that "VDARE.COM is obviously not a 'White Supremacist' site, if for no other reason than that it publishes non-whites. We do publish writers who could fairly be described as 'white nationalists,' in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites."

[Link: 209.85.141.104...]

Wow. Thank you very much, Pastorius.

113 Josephine  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 8:41:07am

re: #96 Render

Thank you, Render.

I have hearted your and Pastorius's comments for future reference.

I am glad that Charles Johnson makes it absolutely clear where he stands on these issues.

114 Uncle Joe  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:47:48am

The hard left loonies on the Guardian UK boards always say that the US political parties are too similar - middle of the road. And they're so very, very proud that their political parties are much more extreme. The result is you've got hard-left psychotics damaging the country and shutting sane, patriotic Britons who want to save what's left of their country out of the governance of the state. And, as Phillips points out, that leaves pro-British Britons with very few political options at their disposable.

115 C-Low  Sat, Jul 5, 2008 9:10:52am

If Europe doesn't get more Sarkozy's and that type of political parties we run a real risk of seeing the European gen pop (who are not liberal self-hating self-cutting suicide'rs) turn to the ole school racist ways.


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