has anybody blamed George Bush yet ?

Uh oh. Here comes da man!

Can they send bills to viewers?

Viacom, which owns MTV and Paramount Pictures, has alleged that YouTube is guilty of massive copyright infringement.

Can't really argue with that statement. It just seems to me they're going after the wrong people.

Viacom is probably not interested in tracking down any terrorists, as all their material is original, right? I wish they would, though.

Football highlights? This is about football highlights?!

re: #6 Dianna

Actually, it is about soccer highlights.

re: #7 Beobachter

That's worse!

I just saw something somewhere that youtube uses 30% of all the bandwidth of the internet

something like that. I'm sure my percentage is off but it was huge

Good luck going after those YouTube-watching soccer hooligans. All they'll get are mouthfuls of broken teeth.

I can honestly say I've never watch sports highlights on Youtube

re: #9 Shug

I like YouTube! It's great to be able to see ancient music videos.

Is youtube about to go the way of Napster?

re: #12 Dianna

I like YouTube! It's great to be able to see ancient music videos.

That's about the only thing they are good for.

In the UK it's about soccer clips. In the US it's more about 'American Idol,' which is Viacom's biggest scam in history.

I wish someone will force Youtube to clean their jungles from Jihadi propaganda and that they will force some rules for videos posted in other languages. Only English Youtube gets moderated.
What does that ruling mean, lizards? Will they be going after every individual who once watched an on-line clip? From China for example?
Can't even imagine how neat the log must be !

re: #14 Beobachter

That's about the only thing they are good for.

Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes

re: #15 Charles

In the UK it's about soccer clips. In the US it's more about 'American Idol,' which is Viacom's biggest scam in history.

Never watched American Idol either, so I'm still in the clear.

re: #15 Charles

American Idol worries me. Especially when it bumps House.

re: #12 Dianna

I like YouTube! It's great to be able to see ancient music videos.

* * *
The best was seeing those vavavoom dance clips of Cyd Charisse doing the "Broadway Melody" sequence with Gene Kelly. Oh my.

OT:

Obama's site is down for 'maintenance'.

More house cleaning?

They just want to track down the maniacs who upload anti-Obama videos.

re: #20 alegrias

That was great, wasn't it?

I think it's pretty disturbing that huge entertainment companies are getting this kind of power. It's a giant privacy violation.

And I've had lots of experience with the kind of people who run large entertainment companies. Trust me. You DON'T want to give those people this much power.

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama's site is down for 'maintenance'.

More house cleaning?

Must be spring cleaning. Oh wait, it is a little late for that.

YouTube needs to be policed after the video I saw this morning of an idiot teen bouncing a baby across the room from a pillow, their parents should be arrested and jailed along with the kid for lack of parenting and Youtube should be sued and have to pay with extreme prejudice, enough is enough of this BS!

Actually I have to hate both sides in this case.

Viacom has right to know how often their clips are watched, but to make it a massive fishing expedition is pretty horrid. Are they going to make it one of those things where they go out and bust some granny for uploading a clip of one of their shows, or will they compile the generic data to go after Google? Time will tell the tale.

American Idol?

re: #23 Dianna

That was great, wasn't it?

* * *
She was fabulousity. Odd that Hollywood musicals of yesteryear are still haraam in today's caliphate--they prefer all male sword dances & executions. Go figure!

My youtube usage is about to plunge. Not that it was ever extensive.

Wait a minute. Can I be sued for watching the videos or posting links?

Bookmarking the links?

So if I post a video to YouTube, Viacom can now track me down for copyright infringement?

How about blogs who embed the videos?

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama's site is down for 'maintenance'.

More house cleaning?

"We're gonna need a bigger boat bus."

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

Obama's site is down for 'maintenance'.

More house cleaning?

Cleaning the undercarriage of the bus, it's getting a tad rank under there.

yeah ill stick it bitorrent with an ipfilter blocking those nasty corporations from seeing what im downloading.

re: #24 Charles

I think it's pretty disturbing that huge entertainment companies are getting this kind of power. It's a giant privacy violation.

And I've had lots of experience with the kind of people who run large entertainment companies. Trust me. You DON'T want to give those people this much power.

* * *
Aren't the Screen Actor Guild and Writers Unions also demanding a bigger share of rebroadcast remuneration?

The Courts have long held that there is no privacy to access to public places.

I do not see how information you publicly give to a public entity would be considered private.

You should know that the Gov has the right to go though your trash also.

re: #35 ErnieG

"We're gonna need a bigger boat bus."

You mean curb, right?

re: #33 ec marm

So if I post a video to YouTube, Viacom can now track me down for copyright infringement?

If they reference the Associated Press, you'll be in a heap of trouble.

looks like i wont be going to you tube anytime soon... or MTV or CBS or any paramount pictures.

i am sure they will all miss me a ton.

re: #39 WrathofG-d

Don't they need a warrant to do that?

re: #12 Dianna Hey, watcha mean "ancient" why I remember seeing them when they first came out on............uh, nevemind!

re: #34 NJDhockeyfan

How about blogs who embed the videos?

These are tracked in "Statistics & Data" (Sites linking to this video) area. I guess they could be sued as accessories to this breaking of the law.

re: #43 paradox42

Nope, once you put it out on the curb (or central collection point) you give up all rights to it as you have in effect stated it was no longer yours.

Ummm, so if someone (even inadvertently) views a copyrighted video on YouTube they will be sued now? The RIAA and MPAA are seriously over-reaching here.

I think it's time for us to start using proxies. Problem is, other than FoxyProxy, I know nothing about that...

re: #43 paradox42

Not once you've put the bin out to the curb.

re: #46 Bubblehead II

Good to know, thanks.

As if we need another reason to hate Google and the MSM.

re: #47 Lizard by the Bay

Grrr, "views" should be italicized, not struck.

PIMF

re: #43 paradox42

As far as I understand: NO.

re: #44 realwest

I know! It's all right - I remember some video or other, and go looking for it, and discover that...oh, I was just a teenager when that came out!

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes

C'mon man, it's MST3K if you're a cool Mistie!

OMG, so somebody will find out that I watched that Mike Gravel video?

great

/ NOT

Viacom == lots of cable companies, Showtime, many syndicated programs; but looking at the law and what is right I have to say if you stream it you should pay royalties. (You meaning in this case Google/Youtube)

This is why the actors and writers are all in an uproar - they want their slice of those rights as well, right now they get none.

In another few years the technology will be there to allow most artists to go direct to internet, but things aren't quite set yet. These battles over content and rights will rage for twenty years before it's all sorted out. Interim you are going to see more and more individually developed media and content, and my prediction is that the future media giants are not going to be in hollywood.

re: #56 Shug

That was one of the weirdest things I've viewed.

re: #6 Dianna

Football highlights? This is about football highlights?!

Believe it or not, but the English Premier League holds a lot of clout. It's broadcast to just about every nation on the planet and makes a whole bunch of cash. Highlights are just like everything else they have their hand in....... Sold to the highest bidder. They don't want people watching it for free.

Can they sue you for being Rick Rolled?

That would be harsh.

Well all y'all - I said it over an hour ago and this time I mean it - I GOTTA GO DO SOME CHORES NOW! LOL!
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that if I don't see you tomorrow, that you all have a GREAT INDEPENDECE DAY.
I hope I get the chance to see you later on down the road.

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're right on. This is unbelievable... terrorist stuff will go unchecked by Viacom (cowards like Disney!) while they go after easy money for IP infringement. Where are the stinking lib judges when you need one?!

re: #28 MandyManners

American Idol?

No, America's Got Talent

re: #1 Shug

has anybody blamed George Bush yet ?

Of course! From digg.com

Time for a change from our recently emerged Surveillance Society headed by the banker/corporate/military/complex, Carter a prior US president warned of it years ago. Orwell's book 1984 outlined a reality that has become the USA in 2002,an unflattering image. (oh 1984 is now on Gov library watchlist...seems NSA recognizes the unpleasant reality recently created during Bush regime too and hopes this book doesn't become popular again) Check out website for freepress and website for (American Civil Liberties Union) ACLU... for action alternatives...and don't get tired and give up. We can change this...we just have to put energy into it and get together on it...we've done it before....

Holy cow.

Google will appeal, yes?

In my opinion the best music video on youtube.

Anyone remember Paul Kossoff of "Free".

Nice Jewish boy.

Here is music in its most spiritual basic Blues form..

time for a new youtube, one that dosen't suck

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

Forgot to mention my favorite "Free" song ever, "Fire and Water".

re: #62 thomsonator

You're right on. This is unbelievable... terrorist stuff will go unchecked by Viacom (cowards like Disney!) while they go after easy money for IP infringement. Where are the stinking lib judges when you need one?!

Liberals don't care about terrorism - they hold dialog with terrorists, and give them rights bestowed to citizens.

/spit

Happy 4th y'all, watch those fireworks around the kids and animals, and above all take the time to pray for our Troops in harms way, they are the reason we can fire up the grill and ice down beer. ;-)!

re: #43 paradox42

Don't they need a warrant to do that?

Once you put it to the curb, it's fair game for anyone.

re: #24 Charles

I think it's pretty disturbing that huge entertainment companies are getting this kind of power. It's a giant privacy violation.

I agree. From the link:

Google's senior litigation counsel Catherine Lacavera said in a statement: "We are disappointed the court granted Viacom's over-reaching demand for viewing history.

"We will ask Viacom to respect users' privacy and allow us to anonymise the logs before producing them under the court's order."

Overreaching, I'll say it is. Viacom doesn't have any right to know what I watch and don't watch on YouTube, or anywhere else.

The ruling will see the viewing habits of millions of YouTube users given to Viacom, totalling more than 12 terabytes of data.

Viacom said it wanted the data to "compare the attractiveness of allegedly infringing video with that of non-infringing videos."

'compare the attractiveness'? Fishing expedition. Bullsh*t, I call it.

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

Believe me, you haven't missed a thing.

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

No Idol for this American.

Again, can I be sued for watching, posting a link to a video or bookmarking a link?

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

My husband and I make the count to be three.

So if I go to a pawn shop and see stolen merchandise I've committed a crime?

Most of the stuff you see in a pawn shop is crap. Old dusty junk I don't want to touch. Kind of like looking at the crap Viacom produces.

re: #68 Catttt

I actively avoid American Idol.

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

Never seen it. Never wanted to. Star Search, but worse, in my opinion. And why does everyone have to sound like a soul singer to be an American Idol? As if there were no other type of music than black music.

The proliferation of media streaming sites is making things difficult for artists, some actively watch but... how well can you watch when there are so many? (e.g. you will be hard pressed to find a Prince video on Youtube, those typically get takedown notices within a day, but it's like you have to hire a staff to watch the internet if you don't want your art posted illegally.)

re: #71 'Nam Grunt

Happy 4th y'all, watch those fireworks around the kids and animals, and above all take the time to pray for our Troops in harms way, they are the reason we can fire up the grill and ice down beer. ;-)!

The Giants game last night had a very nice tribute to the men and women in the service.

re: #68 Catttt

I watched the initial screening once, because of a book I'd read.

It astonished me, how many people with no talent thought they were good, and had their feelings hurt. They ought to have taken the hint!

I love American Idol.

/ducks

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

I don't watch it either and it seems I too am in the vast minority. I did try once but I didn't get it. It's dumb.

On the other hand, I did see The King and I on sunday night, maybe on Fox Classics (or something like that) and thought to myself, Why don't they make anything good anymore? Or at least halfway decent?

In a way, I'm glad there is nothing but crap on. I don't watch it so I read more and spend more time with my kids (when they aren't watching SpongeBob).

re: #76 MandyManners

My guess would be no, you will not suffer for watching. The action these days have been against uploaders or distributors (such a few famous bittorrent indexing sites.)

re: #68 Catttt

Am I the only person in the USA who has never watched this "American Idol" thing? Probably not. I know some of you guys don't even own a TV.

I have never watched it. Yuck.

I read this a couple of times over, and just trying to digest this.

If anyone wishes to correct me if i am wrong...

Should I assume this involves not only folks posting the "protected" material on their you-tube site, but if I was to have had someone send me a link in an email, or hell, even the links in here, they will have access to all of this?

re: #87 gop_patriot

I have never watched American Idol. What does that say about me?

re: #86 freetoken

My guess would be no, you will not suffer for watching. The action these days have been against uploaders or distributors (such a few famous bittorrent indexing sites.)

I hope.

re: #76 MandyManners

Watching: no.

Posting: Maybe

Linking: probably not.

re: #76 MandyManners

I can't see how. Maybe for uploading copyrighted material, but not for clicking or linking.

re: #76 MandyManners

Again, can I be sued for watching, posting a link to a video or bookmarking a link?

In America you can be sued for anything and no matter how ridiculous the charge you will still need to pay for your own defense.

re: #76 MandyManners

I don't think so. Now if they know you have downloaded a copyrighted clip then you might be in their sights as infringing on their copyright. I:E Napster, limewire, ect. But then again, I am NOT a lawyer.

Y'know, this kind of thing would have outraged me ten years ago, I was a very early member of EFF, but with the new technology, it's just hard to say what might or might not be reasonable.

I always assume anything and everything I do on the Internet is visible to anyone who really cares, traceable back to me, and just maybe that's a good thing, or at least a better thing than cheap anonymity.

re: #89 freetoken

Same thing it says about me, apparently. LOL! ;)

re: #76 MandyManners

Again, can I be sued for watching, posting a link to a video or bookmarking a link?

/no

Assuming Viacom could prove that you were the one using the computer at the time the content was viewed, that is that someone wasn't breaking into your wireless or hijacking your IP address, wouldn't they have to prove intent? Wouldn't they have to prove that you knew it was copyrighted material and that you knowingly violated the law?

come on listen to my youtube favorite song and lay some feedback on whatcha think of Paul Kossoff's solo here. Jimmy page use to ask Koss
"How you do that vibrato dude"

Feedback please?

re: #93 Neo Con since 9-11

In America you can be sued for anything and no matter how ridiculous the charge you will still need to pay for your own defense.

The legal system seems to be in its pre-thought-offense mode.

I would venture that if you upload copyrighted material to Youtube, that would be an infringement. Viewing it, not so much, but yes, still an infringement. Hosting it, big infringement.

Copyright laws changed a lot in the 90s. Orrin Hatch was the chairman of that committee, IIRC.

re: #93 Neo Con since 9-11

In America you can be sued for anything and no matter how ridiculous the charge you will still need to pay for your own defense.

That's why I support the "loser pays all" form of civil law. Viacom would ease off if they had to pay everyone's legal fees in every nuisance case they filed and lost.

re: #76 MandyManners

Again, can I be sued for watching, posting a link to a video or bookmarking a link?

You can be sued for anything by anyone with a typical $15 filing fee.

re: #95 itellu3times

I'm not sure what anyone finds "private" about the Internet. You send your message across the internet towards thousands, if not millions of strangers in the pubilc.

If one did this with their voice or their radio, they woudln't dare consider it to be "private".

Should it be? well that is a different question.

re: #91 WrathofG-d

Watching: no.

Posting: Maybe

Linking: probably not.

Downloading and storing on your hard drive: that's what RIAA is busting people for.

re: #87 gop_patriot

I have never watched it. Yuck.

It is unwatchable.

re: #105 ErnieG

Yes downloading would probably be illegal. Its the "downloading" which would be the problem.

Doesn't LGF have a resident Copyright Lawyer?

re: #70 illegal upchuck

Yes, that's true of course but liberal judges are ultra-paranoid and politically motivated about protecting privacy rights. Why couldn't one of them been on the bench regardless of their pathetic sympathies for terrorists. I'll take the half loaf on this one.

"I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!"
from
(There Will Be Blood)

re: #101 rawmuse

Viewing it, not so much, but yes, still an infringement

/how can they sue you for watching something someone else posted on the internet?

From "The Onion" on the Youtube case in 2007
Viacom Demands YouTube Pull 400,000 Ex-TV Viewers From Its Site

re: #110 Killian Bundy

I don't see how that could work, either. But people sue all the time for all sorts of things.

I looked it up

Estimations of Youtube’s bandwidth go from 25TB/day to 200TB/day

I don't know what a terabyte is but this sounds like a lot

re: #103 itellu3times

You can be sued for anything by anyone with a typical $15 filing fee.

To paraphrase Jack McCoy, you can sue a ham sandwich.

re: #55 HBob

C'mon man, it's MST3K if you're a cool Mistie!

Hey HBob, proud Miste here! Loved them from since forever, and have caught their act with Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic. Very good, but the MST3K years are very, very special.

Have great difficulty with this. I see completely Viacom's side, the using of someone's intellectual property. Then again, the ham-handed way in which they enforce makes me scream.

Somewhere in the middle is a solution. I'm all ears on anyone who can approach this rationally.

re: #110 Killian Bundy

Not all infringements are prosecuted. Kind of like having one motorcycle cop in a freeway full of speeders, you can only pull over so many.

re: #104 WrathofG-d

I'm not sure what anyone finds "private" about the Internet. You send your message across the internet towards thousands, if not millions of strangers in the pubilc.

If one did this with their voice or their radio, they woudln't dare consider it to be "private".

Should it be? well that is a different question.

But, what you read or view? You send little "show me" packets, of course, but that's not meant to be public.

re: #99 ColdPizza
Solo is ok...tune is solid

re: #105 ErnieG

I'm surprised no one has countersued the RIAA for looking at their hard drive. The only way I know they could see what is on it is to install some kind of hidden program that would transmit the contents of the drive back to them. Such a program is basically a trojan and it is illegal to intentionally distribute such software. In fact, I think its a federal crime.

re: #72 MandyManners

Once you put it to the curb, it's fair game for anyone.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have any furniture in my apartment.

re: #111 Abu Lahab

From "The Onion" on the Youtube case in 2007
Viacom Demands YouTube Pull 400,000 Ex-TV Viewers From Its Site

This part is funny:

The letter threatened further legal action if all the 400,000 viewers in question are not removed from their desks and returned to their couches by the end of the week.

re: #114 ErnieG

To paraphrase Jack McCoy, you can sue a ham sandwich.

You can probably get a judgement, too, but collection is going to be a problem!

re: #118 Leonidas Hoplite

Solo is ok...tune is solid

Dude, thanks for listening, I'll admit Ive had a few "pops" this afternoon celebrating the Holiday. That video is from 1969.

They're probably looking for the people who posted and intend to go high profile on them. Viacom may have deep pockets, but their legal department isn't suicidal - they will look at the most egregious violations and prosecute those cases. They might also take a handful of minor infractions and use them as test cases to see what they can do to stop the infringement of their materials.

A further complication is that some of the YouTube and material online originated from leaks within the media companies themselves to get people talking and build buzz.

re: #116 rawmuse

Not all infringements are prosecuted. Kind of like having one motorcycle cop in a freeway full of speeders, you can only pull over so many.

I get that.

/how can it be an infringement to merely watch something posted on the internet that you didn't either upload or download?

re: #121 Racer X

I liked that part most.

re: #98 paradox42

Assuming Viacom could prove that you were the one using the computer at the time the content was viewed, that is that someone wasn't breaking into your wireless or hijacking your IP address, wouldn't they have to prove intent? Wouldn't they have to prove that you knew it was copyrighted material and that you knowingly violated the law?

I'm assuming their would be a search warrent while they looked for copyright material. Seems like a hell of a lot of work. Ultimately it would not be implemented evenly and a general wreck of a policy.

The information - could it be used for other purposes, i.e., marketing, or pursuit of other legal issues at a later time? I mean, it would be wrong, but might they do it?

re: #125 Killian Bundy

After more reflection I do not think that it is, especially considering that youtube limits vids to 10 minutes. It would be equivalent of standing in a room naked and asking people to not stare at you.

re: #123 ColdPizza

Dude, thanks for listening, I'll admit Ive had a few "pops" this afternoon celebrating the Holiday. That video is from 1969.

One thing is certain, you don't hear new music like that anymore. Heading to iTunes a little later...so thanks is I guess what I'm saying.

If you like a guy who can rip it check out Sonny Landreth. He has a new CD out and it rocks. Or blues?

I use Youtube to watch old jazz (and other early music) footage from the 1920's, 30's and 40's that I could never see any place else before.

Stuff like this.

re: #121 Racer X

Off the subject, but hilarious, did you see this page? HAHA

Barack Obama

re: #119 paradox42

I'm surprised no one has countersued the RIAA for looking at their hard drive. The only way I know they could see what is on it is to install some kind of hidden program that would transmit the contents of the drive back to them. Such a program is basically a trojan and it is illegal to intentionally distribute such software. In fact, I think its a federal crime.

Actually, they have. Here is one example. I found it by Googling on RIAA counter suit.

re: #117 itellu3times

Yes if you get it off the internet I don't really think it is private.

This could be changed however I guess by law, but I don't believe it is illegal now.

People need to understand how the net works. You are sending whatever info you put here (one is not forced to be on the net) out to everyone in the world.

Its an electronic soap box.

I have a pal who is an intellectual property lawyer. The laws are written so that only guys like him can understand them, which should be illegal in itself, IMHO.

re: #135 rawmuse

The laws are written so that only guys like him can understand them, which should be illegal in itself, IMHO.

Right, so lawyers can have jobs in perpetuity

re: #135 rawmuse

The Tax code is written so that only accountants with decades of experience can understand it. It's one more form of government subsidized job security. Not illegal, just infuriating.

re: #132 gop_patriot

Those profiles are so funny. And they keep updating them, btw.

re: #135 rawmuse

I have a pal who is an intellectual property lawyer. The laws are written so that only guys like him can understand them, which should be illegal in itself, IMHO.

What laws aren't?

re: #132 gop_patriot

Off the subject, but hilarious, did you see this page? HAHA

Barack Obama

I love the immigration stance:

Would refuse to allow Kenyans to come to America, father children, abandon children, attend Harvard PhD programs, and return to Kenya.

re: #129 rawmuse

After more reflection I do not think that it is, especially considering that youtube limits vids to 10 minutes. It would be equivalent of standing in a room naked and asking people to not stare at you.

Plus the fact that they could never prove someone knew it was an infringement or actually watched a video.

/all they can show is that someone at an IP address clicked a link

What, no free You Tube?
Pass me the razor blade.

re: #139 ErnieG

The Constitution is (for the most part) written in plain English, likewise the Bill of Rights. A little Latin is useful.

re: #142 sparrowlake

What, no free You Tube?
Pass me the razor blade.

Shaving your squirrel?

re: #132 gop_patriot

Off the subject, but hilarious, did you see this page? HAHA

Barack Obama

That is classic!

Viacom is gonna owe Babbazee alot of frikin money!

re: #141 Killian Bundy

Plus the fact that they could never prove someone knew it was an infringement or actually watched a video.

/all they can show is that someone at an IP address clicked a link

True, and if you have a wireless router at home, you can always claim that some malcontent hacked it.

I don't know what they're complaining about, you can't download those Mike Douglas Show clips anyway...

re: #130 Leonidas Hoplite

One thing is certain, you don't hear new music like that anymore. Heading to iTunes a little later...so thanks is I guess what I'm saying.

If you like a guy who can rip it check out Sonny Landreth. He has a new CD out and it rocks. Or blues?

Sonny Landreth is amazing, good taste.

The reason i love that "Free" "Fire and Water" video is its history. That type of Solo was new at the time and Paul Kossoff was just coming into his own. Its a real classic, and another reason I LOVE youtube it takes you down "memory Lane". Where else can you do that?

re: #144 Hard Right

Shaving your squirrel?

Is that slang for... I don't even want to know.

re: #140 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And his climate issue stance (which his followers probably believe with all their hearts):

Has an extensive five-year plan to charm climate back to normal temperatures.

re: #135 rawmuse

I have a pal who is an intellectual property lawyer. The laws are written so that only guys like him can understand them, which should be illegal in itself, IMHO.

Crappy writeing shuold be a capitol ofense.

re: #149 ColdPizza

Sonny Landreth is amazing, good taste.

The reason i love that "Free" "Fire and Water" video is its history. That type of Solo was new at the time and Paul Kossoff was just coming into his own. Its a real classic, and another reason I LOVE youtube it takes you down "memory Lane". Where else can you do that?

I haven't explored youtube that much for old music clips, but I guess I should!

1: Start website for video sharing
2: Allow users to upload copy written material
3: Profit!

Frankly, I never understood whey youtube thought they would get a pass on this when RIAA and others are actually prosecuting individuals for pretty much doing the same thing they do.

re: #95 itellu3times

Y'know, this kind of thing would have outraged me ten years ago, I was a very early member of EFF, but with the new technology, it's just hard to say what might or might not be reasonable.

I always assume anything and everything I do on the Internet is visible to anyone who really cares, traceable back to me, and just maybe that's a good thing, or at least a better thing than cheap anonymity.

That's true, when you visit a web site you're giving that site information. That's assumed in the act of visiting a web site.

But this is different. This is a huge multinational company coming in to that web site, and demanding to see the web site's visitor logs. You haven't agreed to give your information to this multinational corporation. But they're getting it anyway.

re: #125 Killian Bundy

I get that.

/how can it be an infringement to merely watch something posted on the internet that you didn't either upload or download?

That's what I don't get.
I can see why they'd want the numbers of people watching something, but I can't see any legitimate reason for knowing who the individuals are.
Unless they want that info for other illegitimate purposes.

Rocky Balboa gives a music lesson.

I don't understand why Google doesn't simply delete obvious copyright violation videos. Someone posts an American Idol performance or a Manchester United goal -- delete it. Simple enough. Why instead expose basically everyone on the internet to privacy violations? Only 5% of users of YouTube are the ones uploading illegal stuff recorded off the TV.

I think the answer is this:

YouTube/Google gets MASSIVE viewerage/ad revenue from the jillions of people who turn to YouTube to watch mainstream copyrighted corporate material. So Google is profiting when individudal users violate Viacom's copyright.

So Google is fighting this all the way down the line. Google is basically using its registered uploading members to do its dirty work for it!

re: #150 Racer X

Is that slang for... I don't even want to know.

Nope. No slang. A joke from a previous thread relating to someone's avatar.

re: #151 gop_patriot

And his climate issue stance (which his followers probably believe with all their hearts):

Has an extensive five-year plan to charm climate back to normal temperatures.

I didn't read their McCain profile, but if I were writing it, I would write:

Being a native of Arizona, sees no problem with 120 degree temperatures.

Thanks for the replies. I reckon I'm safe 'cause I don't down-load. Heck, I don't even know what down-loading means.

And who's blocking American Spectator? And more importantly, why?

re: #161 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL!

re: #141 Killian Bundy

Plus the fact that they could never prove someone knew it was an infringement or actually watched a video.

/all they can show is that someone at an IP address clicked a link

All that means is Viacom would lose in court, and even that isn't a certainty. Viacom could still file the suit even if the odds of them winning might be low. Most people like Mandy who originally posted this question probably can't afford the legal fees and lawyer costs and would just settle out of court for a fraction of what they would have paid their attorney.

re: #144 Hard Right

Shaving your squirrel?

From the "Things that sound dirty but aren't" Dept.

re: #144 Hard Right

Shaving your squirrel?

YOU ARE BORED!
I can tell!

(ROFLMAO)

re: #71 'Nam Grunt

Happy 4th y'all, watch those fireworks around the kids and animals, and above all take the time to pray for our Troops in harms way, they are the reason we can fire up the grill and ice down beer. ;-)!

* * *
Thank you Nam! Also, enjoy the PBS "A Capital Fourth" concert from Washington, DC, during which EVERYONE is patriotic!

re: #161 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't read their McCain profile, but if I were writing it, I would write:

Being a native of Arizona, sees no problem with 120 degree temperatures.

Hey, the 120 is only during the winter. It doesn't get hot until summer. ;)

re: #159 Hard Right

I remain flirty-tailed and unprovoked.

Can we boycott Viacom stuff to send a message?

re: #171 Dianna

I remain flirty-tailed and unprovoked.

I remain bright-tailed and bushy-eyed. :)

I doubt the viewers are at any risk, but the loggs may be used to calculate how much revenue was "lost".

This totally ignores the fact that if it weren't on YT, most folks wouldn't go out of their way to view a lot of the stuff, although the crash and explosion vids are a hoot.

Can you say "bowling ball mortar" or "anvil launching"?

Barack's making a speech right now about Patriotism in front of a small group of probably carefully screened Veterans. He's going on about Veteran's sleeping in cardboard boxes and Walter Reed etc.

Perpetrating the Left's permanent "Rambo Vision" of Vets.

I hope Viacom gets a really big headache, a big bill, and nothing more from this. They can bite me.

re: #176 Thanos

Barack's making a speech right now about Patriotism in front of a
small group of probably carefully screened Veterans. He's going on
about Veteran's sleeping in cardboard boxes and Walter Reed etc.

Perpetrating the Left's permanent "Rambo Vision" of Vets.

Are you sure he isn't laying out his 5-year Plan?

re: #171 Dianna

I remain flirty-tailed and unprovoked.

And a great sport, too ...

... and I'm smart enough to leave well enough alone.

(-:

Ot

But I have a question. Almost every other day, I see a story on CNN's website that Obama is speaking here, or there, or said this or that.

Is McCain on vacation? Or is this just more evidence of the media bias? I really don't find any corverage anywhere (Fox, Drudge, left or right) about McCain doing much of anything.

If McCain is "slacking," I'm really bothered by that. Am I missing something?

Walter in Golden, Co

re: #155 Charles

I don't understand how this information is (a) useful for them to have it or (b) harmful to me if they use it.

re: #170 Hard Right

Hey, the 120 is only during the winter. It doesn't get hot until summer. ;)

My uncle lives in AZ & I've visited him in the summer. It's like living in a hair dryer! Which I still prefer to the oppressive humidity of Philly summers.

re: #174 Hard Right

I'm not.

I had a perfectly awful night; I'm busy at work, and I sucked down a large Peet's in 10 minutes flat.

There is nothing that can make me bright-eyed.

re: #157 rawmuse

Youtube Japan does delete considerable material. Japanese media companies dilligently watch youtube for violations and get Youtube Japan to delete copyright material.

It has happened to me on several occasions that when I find a new posting on Youtube Japan, watch and bookmark it, that coming back later discovering that video has been removed.

re: #165 Neo Con since 9-11

All that means is Viacom would lose in court, and even that isn't a certainty. Viacom could still file the suit even if the odds of them winning might be low. Most people like Mandy who originally posted this question probably can't afford the legal fees and lawyer costs and would just settle out of court for a fraction of what they would have paid their attorney.

Sure, anything's possible, hell, evil space monkeys might fly out of Obama's butt later this afternoon.

/If you're just watching videos, not uploading or downloading them, I wouldn't worry about getting sued

re: #178 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are you sure he isn't laying out his 5-year Plan?

Yeah, he's saying a bit, but the left cares about the Vets like Nurse Ratched did her patients, and that's how they will always think of them.

re: #137 Lizard by the Bay

The Tax code is written so that only accountants with decades of experience can understand it. It's one more form of government subsidized job security. Not illegal, just infuriating.

But, what is the government made up of? - Lawyers, right?

re: #163 lawhawk

And who's blocking American Spectator? And more importantly, why?

That's interesting. I suspect that American Spectator was running an advertisement that tried to pull some funny business.

I ran Firefox 3 and got the 'attack site' warning. Notice -- it says 'www.spectator.org' did not host the malicious software. It was hosted elsewhere, which means it was probably an ad.

This is a very real concern, and anyone who runs web ads needs to watch out for it, because the agencies that create these ads will try to pull stuff like this. Even in ads for large companies.

re: #183 Dianna

I'm not.

I had a perfectly awful night; I'm busy at work, and I sucked down a large Peet's in 10 minutes flat.

There is nothing that can make me bright-eyed.

What's a Peet?

re: #158 zombie

They do take clips down 'for legal reasons', e.g. those of sports events shown by Big Corporations, like the Beeb or SKY TV.

Some site owners get round this by somehow (don't ask, I'm not a tech wizard!) videoing the programme and then posting those private video clips.
In other cases, some sort of accomodation seems to have been reached with the 'owners' of that sporting event, be it the Beeb or SKY - and the clips are back on.

Gawd, I'd hate it not being able to watch videos of outstanding rugby tries, bone-shuddering tackles, hand-baggings ...

re: #144 Hard Right

Shaving your squirrel?

Write-in candidate for the rotating page title...

re: #175 markie

Anvil launching? Really?

Ooooh!

re: #176 Thanos

Perpetrating the Left's permanent "Rambo Vision" of Vets.

Yup. Always victims. Never heroes (except when they testify against fellow soldiers). Thomas Sowell's piece on how that attitude destroyed France and left them ripe for occupation is a must read.

Also, I seem to recall a NYT piece a few years back lamenting that there were no "war heroes" from our recent Middle East conflicts. The idea that it might be their fault for not reporting on those heroes never once crosses the author's mind. Sorry, can't find that link right now.

YouTube's original business plan must have been this:

Let's find a way to digitize and put online all sorts of otherwise copyrighted material -- movies, TV shows, etc. Because this is the kind of material people generally pay to watch, we'll attract countless millions of viewers who wil want to watch it for free. With all those viewers, we'll put ads on the site, and get massive ad revenue. But how can we do this without directly stealing copyrighted material ourselves? Easy! Open up the site to ANYONE who wants to upload ANYTHING. That way, unwitting members of the general public will do the copyright violation themselves -- they'll steal and upload the material. We won't have to do a thing! Plus, by doing it for us, the general public will basically be acting as free volunteers. So not only will they do our work for us, they'll do our dirty work for us! If we're ever accused of copyright violations, we can wash our hands of the affair and say, "It wasn't us! Some naughty member of the general public did it!" Meanwhile, we'll be making money hand over fist.

re: #185 Killian Bundy

Sure, anything's possible, hell, evil space monkeys might fly out of Obama's butt later this afternoon.

/If you're just watching videos, not uploading or downloading them, I wouldn't worry about getting sued

What does it mean to upload or download a video? (Yes, I'm that ignorant of tech terms.)

re: #176 Thanos

Barack's making a speech right now about Patriotism in front of a small group of probably carefully screened Veterans. He's going on about Veteran's sleeping in cardboard boxes and Walter Reed etc.

Perpetrating the Left's permanent "Rambo Vision" of Vets.

His plan to help them---more cardboard boxes.

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Is McCain on vacation?

/he was in Columbia yesterday and Mexico today

re: #185 Killian Bundy

Sure, anything's possible, hell, evil space monkeys might fly out of Obama's butt later this afternoon.

I'm in charge of all simian-related threats & no evil space monkeys are flying out of anywhere while I'm on the job!

re: #179 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And a great sport, too ...

... and I'm smart enough to leave well enough alone.

(-:

Yes on the great sport.
No, I'm not smart enough.
/

re: #194 zombie

YouTube's original business plan must have been this:

Let's find a way to digitize and put online all sorts of otherwise copyrighted material -- movies, TV shows, etc. Because this is the kind of material people generally pay to watch, we'll attract countless millions of viewers who wil want to watch it for free. With all those viewers, we'll put ads on the site, and get massive ad revenue. But how can we do this without directly stealing copyrighted material ourselves? Easy! Open up the site to ANYONE who wants to upload ANYTHING. That way, unwitting members of the general public will do the copyright violation themselves -- they'll steal and upload the material. We won't have to do a thing! Plus, by doing it for us, the general public will basically be acting as free volunteers. So not only will they do our work for us, they'll do our dirty work for us! If we're ever accused of copyright violations, we can wash our hands of the affair and say, "It wasn't us! Some naughty member of the general public did it!" Meanwhile, we'll be making money hand over fist.

And they still suckered Google and sold before the heat came, they were very crafty.

re: #197 Killian Bundy

/he was in Columbia yesterday and Mexico today

OT

Oh heavens, he's not inviting more folk here, is he?

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

All those people shouldn't have been downloading curling highlights for free!

As a curler....I resemble that comment.

If this actually comes to pass.....it will be very interesting to see what gets included or not.

re: #184 freetoken

Youtube Japan does delete considerable material. Japanese media companies dilligently watch youtube for violations and get Youtube Japan to delete copyright material.

It has happened to me on several occasions that when I find a new posting on Youtube Japan, watch and bookmark it, that coming back later discovering that video has been removed.

I have the same experience with YouTube Japan. Jpop videos appear and then disappear very rapidly. Now I quickly download them if I discover them.

re: #189 MandyManners

What's a Peet?

Coffee from a store called Peet's

re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YOU ARE BORED!
I can tell!
(ROFLMAO)

LOL. Last time I checked the only rodent I had was a rat.

re: #193 Lizard by the Bay

Yup. Always victims. Never heroes (except when they testify against fellow soldiers). Thomas Sowell's piece on how that attitude destroyed France and left them ripe for occupation is a must read.

Also, I seem to recall a NYT piece a few years back lamenting that there were no "war heroes" from our recent Middle East conflicts. The idea that it might be their fault for not reporting on those heroes never once crosses the author's mind. Sorry, can't find that link right now.

The reality is that there are so many heroes it is impossible to report on them all.

re: #156 wolfie

Actually it all about the $$$$$$$$$.

Lets say (after getting the records) they find out that 10,000 people viewed a copyrighted clip at you-tube. They then take that number and multiply it by some ridiculously high amount and claim it as lost profits. Add that to all the other "violations" and you are now talking millions of dollars in "lost" profits. That's my take on this whole thing.

re: #189 MandyManners

Coffee, of particular quality.

They have a website, and you can order their coffee. If you do, order whole bean, and keep it in your freezer until you grind it.

To illustrate the wonder of Peet's: a friend of mine told me about coming out to her kitchen one morning and finding a dead mouse on her counter.

The mouse was clutching a Peet's bean in its paws. As she described it, "Mmmmm, Peet's!" said the mouse, and died, smiling.

re: #197 Killian Bundy

/he was in Columbia yesterday and Mexico today

COLOMBIA!

This is such bullshit. I remember when I was a kid, I used to hold the mono tape recorder next to the radio, when are "they" going to come back and hit me for those tapes.......?

re: #195 MandyManners

What does it mean to upload or download a video? (Yes, I'm that ignorant of tech terms.)

Physically moving a file to the internet from your computer or vice versa using FTP or some other such transfer software.

/if you don't know what it is, you're not doing it, so don't worry about it

re: #161 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't read their McCain profile, but if I were writing it, I would write:

Being a native of Arizona, sees no problem with 120 degree temperatures.

* * *

McCain's born in PANAMA, not Arizona! Remember, born on a US base there, who spent more years in tropical Hanoi than living anywhere else until then? He's only the Senator FROM Arizona, who these days spends most of his time "riding" on planes, as general Wes said the other day.

re: #208 Dianna

Coffee, of particular quality.

They have a website, and you can order their coffee. If you do, order whole bean, and keep it in your freezer until you grind it.

To illustrate the wonder of Peet's: a friend of mine told me about coming out to her kitchen one morning and finding a dead mouse on her counter.

The mouse was clutching a Peet's bean in its paws. As she described it, "Mmmmm, Peet's!" said the mouse, and died, smiling.

I'm not sure that "it kills mice" is exactly a plus for a brand of coffee.

re: #207 Bubblehead II

Actually it all about the $$$$$$$$$.

Lets say (after getting the records) they find out that 10,000 people viewed a copyrighted clip at you-tube. They then take that number and multiply it by some ridiculously high amount and claim it as lost profits. Add that to all the other "violations" and you are now talking millions of dollars in "lost" profits. That's my take on this whole thing.

Great write-off but I bet the IRS won't go for it...

re: #203 zombie

I have the same experience with YouTube Japan. Jpop videos appear and then disappear very rapidly. Now I quickly download them if I discover them.

And that would be the Achilles Heel for YouTube in America - Viacom can point to the Japanese iteration and say, you did it over there, and should be doing it here, but aren't. They clearly understood that some content was violating copyright or terms of service, and yet they're continuing to host it.

re: #182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My uncle lives in AZ & I've visited him in the summer. It's like living in a hair dryer! Which I still prefer to the oppressive humidity of Philly summers.

Visited Florida a couple of years ago. I sweated more there than I do here! In fact, when I got back, 115 and no humidity felt great!

re: #147 Lizard by the Bay

True, and if you have a wireless router at home, you can always claim that some malcontent hacked it.

And if you get one of those nasty clicker virus thingys like my son did, you could blame it on that too.

re: #194 zombie

I think you are right.

re: #189 MandyManners

What's a Peet?

Probably not a co-worker. :D

re: #208 Dianna

Coffee, of particular quality.

They
have a website, and you can order their coffee. If you do, order whole
bean, and keep it in your freezer until you grind it.

To
illustrate the wonder of Peet's: a friend of mine told me about coming
out to her kitchen one morning and finding a dead mouse on her counter.

The mouse was clutching a Peet's bean in its paws. As she described it, "Mmmmm, Peet's!" said the mouse, and died, smiling.

Oh. I thought you were refering to her.

re: #193 Lizard by the Bay

Yup. Always victims. Never heroes (except when they testify against fellow soldiers). Thomas Sowell's piece on how that attitude destroyed France and left them ripe for occupation is a must read.

Also, I seem to recall a NYT piece a few years back lamenting that there were no "war heroes" from our recent Middle East conflicts. The idea that it might be their fault for not reporting on those heroes never once crosses the author's mind. Sorry, can't find that link right now.

Thanks for the Sowell column! I'd not seen that one!

re: #162 MandyManners

Thanks for the replies. I reckon I'm safe 'cause I don't down-load. Heck, I don't even know what down-loading means.

When you watch a video, or anything for that matter, you are downloading it to your browser's cash. So, techniucally, either way you are downloading it.

re: #211 Killian Bundy

Physically moving a file to the internet from your computer or vice versa using FTP or some other such transfer software.
/if you don't know what it is, you're not doing it, so don't worry about it

Looks like Mandy's maneuvering for a plea deal.

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

LOL!

re: #209 Occasional Reader

COLOMBIA!

/oops, my bad

re: #204 Leonidas Hoplite

Coffee from a store called Peet's

Thanks!

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

OT

Oh heavens, he's not inviting more folk here, is he?

Walter in Golden, Co.

* * *
No silly, McCain's over there making their countries safe FOR them! Freeing freedom fighters.

re: #147 Lizard by the Bay

True, and if you have a wireless router at home, you can always claim that some malcontent hacked it.

Just like my neighbor keeps hijacking my wifi signal to watch all that Japanese schoolgirl honey-wrestling pr0n. Yeah, that's the ticket.

re: #206 paradox42

The reality is that there are so many heroes it is impossible to report on them all.

If they ever did report on a war hero, they'd spend most of the time digging up dirt on the soldiers personal life to tarnish their accomplishments. Don't believe me? Ask Jessica Lynch.

re: #162 MandyManners

Thanks for the replies. I reckon I'm safe 'cause I don't down-load. Heck, I don't even know what down-loading means.

Lordy, you been away from the hills too long, Mandy.
Downloadin' is when you take the stuff off the mule.
Or the truck, if you got one.

re: #205 sparrowlake

LOL. Last time I checked the only rodent I had was a rat.

Hillary, is that you?
/////////

re: #198 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm in charge of all simian-related threats & no evil space monkeys are flying out of anywhere while I'm on the job!

Kill-joy!

re: #208 Dianna

Coffee, of particular quality.

They have a website, and you can order their coffee. If you do, order whole bean, and keep it in your freezer until you grind it.

To illustrate the wonder of Peet's: a friend of mine told me about coming out to her kitchen one morning and finding a dead mouse on her counter.

The mouse was clutching a Peet's bean in its paws. As she described it, "Mmmmm, Peet's!" said the mouse, and died, smiling.

LOL! OD'd mousey?

re: #228 Occasional Reader

Just
like my neighbor keeps hijacking my wifi signal to watch all that
. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Those are so staged. The Japanese schoolgirl foxy-boxing pr0n is a real sport over there.

re: #211 Killian Bundy

Physically moving a file to the internet from your computer or vice versa using FTP or some other such transfer software.

/if you don't know what it is, you're not doing it, so don't worry about it

*whew*

Thanks!

re: #195 MandyManners

Mandy I'm no computer expert, but I download a lot of videos, music and otherwise, from YouTube and other places. RealPlayer has a pop-up box that appears above all video content I've seen on the web giving you the option to download the video. That means you can save it in a library of your own making, the video automatically goes into a RealPlayer library, and any time I want to look at it again I can find it easily in the RealPlayer program. It's a cinch even for a computer illiterate like me. There are many other programs that do the same thing,I find RealPlayer the easiest and simplest.

re: #219 Catttt

Probably not a co-worker. :D

HAHAHAHA! :D

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Ot

But I have a question. Almost every other day, I see a story on CNN's website that Obama is speaking here, or there, or said this or that.

Is McCain on vacation? Or is this just more evidence of the media bias? I really don't find any corverage anywhere (Fox, Drudge, left or right) about McCain doing much of anything.

If McCain is "slacking," I'm really bothered by that. Am I missing something?

* * *
He's running an insurgent campaign, flying under the radar of the MSM. If you get on his email list, you'd receive daily updates.

re: #219 Catttt

Probably not a co-worker. :D

LOL!

re: #213 Occasional Reader

But it died happy!

I've downloaded videos from YouTube, but not Viacom crap.

re: #222 Beobachter

When you watch a video, or anything for that matter, you are downloading it to your browser's cash. So, techniucally, either way you are downloading it.

*eep*

re: #205 sparrowlake

LOL. Last time I checked the only rodent I had was a rat.

*grin*
It was an "in joke" from a prior thread.

re: #234 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Those are so staged. The Japanese schoolgirl foxy-boxing pr0n is a real sport over there.

Most Extreme Elimination Challenge!

re: #233 MandyManners

We think so. It was just too good for the little mousey system.

re: #230 wolfie

Lordy, you been away from the hills too long, Mandy.
Downloadin' is when you take the stuff off the mule.
Or the truck, if you got one.

No, it's when you hold your shotgun barrel down to reload before shooting more revenuers...

re: #182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My uncle lives in AZ & I've visited him in the summer. It's like living in a hair dryer! Which I still prefer to the oppressive humidity of Philly summers.

Your perspiration immediately turns to salt on your face.

re: #240 Dianna

But it died happy!

Too late. I'm calling PETA.

re: #230 wolfie

Lordy, you been away from the hills too long, Mandy.
Downloadin' is when you take the stuff off the mule.
Or the truck, if you got one.

So, putting stuff on my mule is uploading?

re: #222 Beobachter

When you watch a video, or anything for that matter, you are downloading it to your browser's cash. So, techniucally, either way you are downloading it.

True. That's how I have a nice collection of Quicktime videos that "can't be downloaded". :-D

re: #236 JHW

Mandy I'm no computer expert, but I download a lot of videos, music and otherwise, from YouTube and other places. RealPlayer has a pop-up box that appears above all video content I've seen on the web giving you the option to download the video. That means you can save it in a library of your own making, the video automatically goes into a RealPlayer library, and any time I want to look at it again I can find it easily in the RealPlayer program. It's a cinch even for a computer illiterate like me. There are many other programs that do the same thing,I find RealPlayer the easiest and simplest.

All I know is I bookmark to my favorites. I've heard of RealPlayer, though. I think I have it around somewhere.

The problem with Google is that they'll open their records up to just about anyone except our own government.

/spit!

re: #244 Occasional Reader

Most Extreme Elimination Challenge!

Super Terrific Smile Time Happy Hour!

re: #238 alegrias

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Ot

But I have a question. Almost every other day, I see a story on CNN's website that Obama is speaking here, or there, or said this or that.

Is McCain on vacation? Or is this just more evidence of the media bias? I really don't find any corverage anywhere (Fox, Drudge, left or right) about McCain doing much of anything.

If McCain is "slacking," I'm really bothered by that. Am I missing something?

* * *
He's running an insurgent campaign, flying under the radar of the MSM. If you get on his email list, you'd receive daily updates.

Well, that will help all the voters who don't have internet, or really don't use email the way a lot of us do, or older voters, or those that don't know that he has emails available.

Gee, what a well-oiled campaign.

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #163 lawhawk

And who's blocking American Spectator? And more importantly, why?

Also note on this -- some people at Protein Wisdom are attributing this to leftists "flagging" American Spectator. It's not that at all!

The Firefox attack filter is screening that site because Google discovered actual attempts to install malicious software. Two of them, within the last 90 days.

Not everything is a leftist plot.

bbiab

re: #247 debutaunt

Your perspiration immediately turns to salt on your face.

And you become a salt lick. You get used to the heat-except when you get into you car after work.
I learned years ago not to put my car keys in pocket right after I removed them from the ignition.
If I'm sterile, that's why.

re: #255 Charles

Also note on this -- some people at Protein Wisdom are attributing this to leftists "flagging" American Spectator. It's not that at all!

The Firefox attack filter is screening that site because Google discovered actual attempts to install malicious software. Two of them, within the last 90 days.

Not everything is a leftist plot.

Try telling that to the freepers.

re: #231 Hard Right

Hillary, is that you?
/////////

Yeah Babe!

re: #255 Charles

Not everything is a leftist plot.

You expect us to believe that? You're one of THEM, aren't you?

re: #222 Beobachter

When you watch a video, or anything for that matter, you are downloading it to your browser's cash. So, techniucally, either way you are downloading it.

/and after you clear your browser cache they'd have to employ computer forensics to prove it, again, they'd be insane to try and go after people who have just watched YouTube videos, personally, I won't be losing any sleep over it

OT:

The crying pictures of the miserable victims of yesterday's attack in Jerusalem that killed approximately 3 people.

(what you thought I meant the Jews?)

re: #255 Charles

You think American Spectator got hacked?

re: #181 Lawrence Schmerel

I don't understand how this information is (a) useful for them to have it or (b) harmful to me if they use it.

It's the precedent that will be set...it won't be hard for any other company to demand information that they feel they have right to.

Maybe I'm off base on this one, but something smells fiche.

re: #247 debutaunt

Your perspiration immediately turns to salt on your face.

With today's food costs, who wouldn't want to be able to produce their own salt?
Sounds like a Troy McClure self-help video: "Make Your Own Salt & Save!"