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Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:09:35 pm PDT

Independence now: and Independence forever.

— Daniel Webster

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1 Mardukhai  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:10:25pm

Independence Missouri!

2 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:10:54pm

Hear hear!

3 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:11:11pm

Independence Rules!

4 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:11:43pm

Toads are not always for licking.

They eat ants.

5 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:12:00pm

Independence, Kentucky!

6 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:12:21pm

re: #4 Noam Sayin'


Fire ants?

7 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:12:54pm

Freedom without Peace is better than Peace without Freedom.

8 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:13:17pm

I'm such a thread whore. A new, younger thread comes along and I just have to jump on it.

9 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:13:40pm

re: #6 BignJames

They've somehow learned to stay away from fire ants. Something in their evolution, I guess.

Oh, shit...

10 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:13:44pm

Independence from what? Taxation without Representation?

Not. Thats still very legal here in the US. Ask any suburbanite that pays city taxes where they work. They don't get to vote for the idiots that spend those tax dollars they contribute every paycheck.

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:13:56pm

Holding truths to be self-evident kicks ass.

12 Mardukhai  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:13:57pm

Co-depenence, Montana!

13 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:14:56pm

CELEBRATE YOUR FREEDOM!

POWER TO THE CORRECT PEOPLE!

14 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:15:19pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

I've learned to stay away from them,too. Who says evolution takes millions of years?

15 NeoKong  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:15:31pm

I feel like I got firecrackers in my pants.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:15:39pm

re: #4 Noam Sayin'

Toads are not always for licking.

They eat ants.

Some dogs tend to become addicted to toads...

Psychedelic toad licking dog in rehab

The owners of a cocker spaniel have told how their beloved pet became addicted to licking poisonous toads for their mind-bending properties.

Laura Mirsch said her dog Lady returned to their new home from one binge at the local pond "disoriented and withdrawn, soporific and glassy-eyed".

Mirsch recounts Lady's nightmare plunge into toad dependence here at NPR, including a moving audio testimony.

She said: "We noticed Lady spending an awful lot of time down by the pond in our backyard. Late one night after I'd put the dogs out, Lady wouldn't come in. She finally staggered over to me from the cattails. She looked up at me, leaned her head over and opened her mouth like she was going to throw up, and out plopped this disgusting toad."

It quickly became clear that the incident was not a one-off party thing: this Lady had a problem.

Laura Mirsch said: "We couldn't keep our dog's addiction a secret any longer. The neighbours all knew that Lady was a drug addict, and soon the other dogs weren't allowed to play with her."

The toads put a brief stop to Lady's psychedelic explorations of canine perception by hibernating for the winter, but come spring she had not fully wrested herself from the demon grip of toad licking.

Thankfully for those who love her, Lady has learned to keep her addiction under control: her drug abuse has become purely recreational. Her rehabilitation now confines toad licking to weekends.

17 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:15:59pm

re: #8 Hard Right

Did someone say Jump on It?

18 Macker  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:17:24pm

re: #10 Mich-again

Independence from what? Taxation without Representation?

Not. Thats still very legal here in the US. Ask any suburbanite that pays city taxes where they work. They don't get to vote for the idiots that spend those tax dollars they contribute every paycheck.

And besides, isn't DC represented in Congress by MD?

19 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:17:32pm

July 4, 2008 (soon): Independence Day.

The day when America celebrates its decision to tell the British to go take a healthy shit in King George's hat.

Well, they worded it a little better.

20 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:17:39pm

There is a Twilight Zone marathon on the Sci Fi channel this weekend.

21 WindHorse  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:18:17pm

Independence

Happy 4th of July everyone, and many thanks to everyone who is now serving in the armed forces, or who has in the past!

22 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:18:31pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

They've somehow learned to stay away from fire ants. Something in their evolution, I guess.

Oh, shit...

Arrrrrrg! YOU SAID THE E-WORD!

23 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:18:57pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan


I don't mind the disorientation or the staggering....it's all the slobbering.

24 WindHorse  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:19:11pm

re: #20 NJDhockeyfan

....there's one on the previous thread too....

25 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:19:29pm

re: #16 NJDhockeyfan

Lucky dog...

26 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #23 BignJames

I don't mind the disorientation or the staggering....it's all the slobbering.

We are talking about a dog, right? ;)

27 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:20:54pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Lucky dog...

Woof, man, woofy woof.

28 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:20:55pm

re: #26 Hard Right

Huh?

/

29 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:21:32pm

re: #17 Mich-again

Did someone say Jump on It?

Gonna have to ding you for that. ;)

30 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:22:31pm

re: #28 BignJames

Huh?

/

There's the disorientation...

32 Tigger2005  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:23:47pm

Hugo Chavez is such a dillweed.

He's mad at the European Parliament for adopting stricter immigration laws and says Venezuela welcomes all immigrants and treats them like brothers. Oh yeah, I'm sure you do, you commie f*ckface. Like Hizb'allah and Hamas and Cubans?

What he's really pissed off at, of course, is that Europe isn't destroying itself quite as fast as he'd like.

The Communists have made themselves Islam's bitch.

33 ASU86PE  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:25:27pm

re: #13 IslandLibertarian

Awesome site

34 Tigger2005  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:25:41pm

Did I mention I hate fat pockmarked Commie f*ckheads?

God Bless America from an atheist.

Happy 4th!

re: #32 Tigger2005

Hugo Chavez is such a dillweed.

He's mad at the European Parliament for adopting stricter immigration laws and says Venezuela welcomes all immigrants and treats them like brothers. Oh yeah, I'm sure you do, you commie f*ckface. Like Hizb'allah and Hamas and Cubans?

What he's really pissed off at, of course, is that Europe isn't destroying itself quite as fast as he'd like.

The Communists have made themselves Islam's bitch.

35 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:26:21pm

re: #15 NeoKong

I feel like I got firecrackers in my pants.

Gonna' refrain.

36 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:26:54pm

re: #15 NeoKong

I feel like I got firecrackers in my pants.

I hear they have a topical ointment for that.

37 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:28:13pm

re: #31 Bob in Breckenridge

Sal-ute!

Only one brunette?

38 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:28:42pm

re: #33 ASU86PE

Awesome site

Yes I agree. Of course Free Enterprise allows for the most incredible things to be created.
America! FU*K YEAH!

39 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:29:20pm

I had a conversation with some good and solid Republicans tonight and I am sorry to say that they are not going to vote in the upcoming election, as hard as I tried to convince them they just will not be voting. I just hope that this is not what’s to come.

40 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:29:36pm

re: #8 Hard Right

I noticed, after typing two passionate replies, that I was all by myself back there.

41 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:29:46pm

Some music for our servicepeople for Independence Day:

Stars and Stripes Forever

The Marine Corps Hymn (hey, my husband is a former Marine, so I choose to feature the Maring Corps first)

The same done in bagpipes

Anchors Aweigh (my dad's former Navy)

And I did not forget the Army

And the Air Force, of course

And a Semper Paratus to the Coast Guard!

42 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:30:04pm

re: #37 Noam Sayin'

Sal-ute!

Only one brunette?

Complaints, complaints...FYI, the one with the kneepads and cigar is my intern.

43 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #31 Bob in Breckenridge

Since it's the 4th of July here at my brother's house in Missouri, will you all salute the stars and stripes!

The second one's boobs look so rock-hard that you could bounce a wrench off of them.

44 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:30:57pm

re: #41 RememberSekhmet?
Marine, even. Can't get used to this new keyboard.

45 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:31:43pm

RIP, Bozo... But clowns are creepy.

46 realwest  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:23pm

Happy Independence Day to you all. And Charles, thanks for putting up Old Glory on the LGF Masthead again.
And thank you for littlegreenfootballs.

47 Cartman  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:25pm

re: #39 BBev

I had a conversation with some good and solid Republicans tonight and I am sorry to say that they are not going to vote in the upcoming election, as hard as I tried to convince them they just will not be voting. I just hope that this is not what’s to come.

They don't sound real "good" or "solid" to me. They can take a figurative long walk off a short pier, far as I'm concerned.

48 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:34pm

re: #39 BBev

Two words, man: President Obama.

But on the flip-side, I have a very liberal friend - who voted for Keith Ellison, and put up a yard sign - who absolutely distrusts Obama - for the stalwart reason that he simply has no legislative record.

This is going to be an interesting election. I still maintain that the middle will vote overwhelmingly for McCain. I'm predicting 58-42.

49 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:42pm

“I am the Cat who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.” ~ Rudyard Kipling, Just So Stories

50 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:43pm

re: #41 RememberSekhmet?

I play in a bar band and all of my experience says that if you want to make the military crowd happy you have to play some Black Sabbath. Gosh, when the Marines start screaming for Sabbath you better be able to pull something out quick.

51 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:44pm

re: #43 MandyManners

The second one's boobs look so rock-hard that you could bounce a wrench off of them.

/I had to look again, dammit. Quit it! (But you're correct)

52 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:32:49pm

re: #40 Dianna

I noticed, after typing two passionate replies, that I was all by myself back there.

Done that myself. I've even posted in a thread only to find it's an hours dead thread.

53 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:34:08pm

re: #51 Bob in Breckenridge

/I had to look again, dammit. Quit it! (But you're correct)

I doubt she would drown if knocked unconscious and thrown into the water.

54 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:34:17pm

re: #52 Hard Right

Embarrassing, isn't it?

55 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:34:22pm

re: #46 realwest

Hey Real. How are you doing?

56 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:35:04pm
DEAR SIR, -- The question presented by the letters you have sent me, is the most momentous which has ever been offered to my contemplation since that of Independence. That made us a nation, this sets our compass and points the course which we are to steer through the ocean of time opening on us. And never could we embark on it under circumstances more auspicious. Our first and fundamental maxim should be, never to entangle ourselves in the broils of Europe. Our second, never to suffer Europe to intermeddle with cis-Atlantic affairs. America, North and South, has a set of interests distinct from those of Europe, and peculiarly her own. She should therefore have a system of her own, separate and apart from that of Europe. While the last is laboring to become the domicil of despotism, our endeavor should surely be, to make our hemisphere that of freedom....
....But we have first to ask ourselves a question. Do we wish to acquire to our own confederacy any one or more of the Spanish provinces? I candidly confess, that I have ever looked on Cuba as the most interesting addition which could ever be made to our system of States. The control which, with Florida

Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe. October 24, 1823

57 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:35:27pm

re: #47 Cartman

They don't sound real "good" or "solid" to me. They can take a figurative long walk off a short pier, far as I'm concerned.

Ya I tried that but these guys don't give a dam

58 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:35:33pm

re: #53 MandyManners

I doubt she would drown if knocked unconscious and thrown into the water.

You take her on plane trips over water.

59 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:35:59pm

re: #53 MandyManners

I doubt she would drown if knocked unconscious and thrown into the water.

Well, she does have personal flotation devices.

/If you know what I mean.

60 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:36:10pm

re: #54 Dianna

Embarrassing, isn't it?

Only if somoene else notices. (yeah, that's it).

61 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:36:25pm

re: #45 Bob in Breckenridge

RIP, Bozo... But clowns are creepy.

He'll be greatly missed, but we have a new clown (Obozobama) to fill in for a while.
I truly can't believe people really support Barack. It's mind bending suspension of disbelief.

With that, I'm off to dine with my beautiful and talented girlfriend.....
g'nite 'tiles.

PTTCP

62 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:36:31pm

re: #48 Noam Sayin'

Two words, man: President Obama.

But on the flip-side, I have a very liberal friend - who voted for Keith Ellison, and put up a yard sign - who absolutely distrusts Obama - for the stalwart reason that he simply has no legislative record.

This is going to be an interesting election. I still maintain that the middle will vote overwhelmingly for McCain. I'm predicting 58-42.

I, on the other hand, predict a razor thin victory. Too much BS being swallowed by both sides for my comfort.

63 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:37:01pm

re: #39 BBev

They are not solid Republicans then. If for no other reason than which judges get appointed to the Supreme Court. Yes, lots of Republicans may want to make a statement that John McCain isn't conservative enough, but in doing so, they will help tip the scales of the SCOTUS for decades. And then it won't matter so much the next several elections who is elected to POTUS.

My dad was one of the Perot supporters and I'm always reminding him that Ross Perot supporters gave us 8 years of Slick Willie and a lifetime of Ruth Bader Ginsburg .

64 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:37:33pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Echo that. And frankly, I didn't find any of them all that attractive.

Great bods, sure.

65 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:37:53pm

re: #60 Hard Right

I found it embarrassing because I noticed!

66 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:38:22pm

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Echo that. And frankly, I didn't find any of them all that attractive.

Great bods, sure.

I know a site that has all natural women, but I can't post the link here. ;)

67 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:38:48pm

re: #62 lummox

I, on the other hand, predict a razor thin victory. Too much BS being swallowed by both sides for my comfort.

The lesser of two evils. Either way, America loses.

68 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:39:41pm

re: #65 Dianna

I found it embarrassing because I noticed!

I won't tell anyone. :)

69 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:39:42pm

re: #48 Noam Sayin'

Two words, man: President Obama.

But on the flip-side, I have a very liberal friend - who voted for Keith Ellison, and put up a yard sign - who absolutely distrusts Obama - for the stalwart reason that he simply has no legislative record.

This is going to be an interesting election. I still maintain that the middle will vote overwhelmingly for McCain. I'm predicting 58-42.

Ya I thought the same till one of my brothers that I thought was a centrist is now voting for Osama and the other brother that I thought was voting for Osama is now voting for McCain. My head is spinning.

70 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:40:57pm

re: #63 Mich-again

They are not solid Republicans then. If for no other reason than which judges get appointed to the Supreme Court. Yes, lots of Republicans may want to make a statement that John McCain isn't conservative enough, but in doing so, they will help tip the scales of the SCOTUS for decades. And then it won't matter so much the next several elections who is elected to POTUS.

My dad was one of the Perot supporters and I'm always reminding him that Ross Perot supporters gave us 8 years of Slick Willie and a lifetime of Ruth Bader Ginsburg .

Ya I tryed that! Nothing

71 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:41:06pm

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Echo that. And frankly, I didn't find any of them all that attractive.

Great bods, sure.

I only posted it because they're patriotic. Seriously.

72 swamprat  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:41:10pm
73 realwest  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:41:15pm

re: #40 Dianna No, you weren't - I did say goodnight!
And now I do mean goodnight to you all and, again, Happy Independence Day - the day 232 years ago on which the World was shown that the governed CAN do the governing and nothing has ever been the same since!

74 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:41:33pm

re: #67 Bob in Breckenridge

Bob, I believe a solid VP candidate is going to be the tie breaker. This may also allow us to keep the House and Senate from slipping out of proportion to a Majority Democratic swing. And most importantly, the next president gets to appoint two Supreme Court Justices. Imagine the LLL Dems in power in the house and senate and a Marxist choosing the Majority vote of the SCOTUS. Goodbye Amendments!

75 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:42:10pm

re: #73 realwest

No, you weren't - I did say goodnight!
And now I do mean goodnight to you all and, again, Happy Independence Day - the day 232 years ago on which the World was shown that the governed CAN do the governing and nothing has ever been the same since!

Ok, who told you? Who snitched on Dianna?

76 Cartman  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:42:36pm

G'nite, R-Dubs. A very Happy 4th to ya!

77 ASU86PE  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:42:43pm

To everyone everywhere:

78 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:43:21pm

I also find the SCOTUS argument alarmist.
Yes, Obrahma would appoint ultra libs..... to replace the libs who would retire. I don't see any consevative judges retiring.

79 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:43:31pm

re: #76 Cartman

G'nite, R-Dubs. A very Happy 4th to ya!

Happy 4th. Don't let the underwear gnomes bite.

80 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:43:37pm

re: #71 Bob in Breckenridge

And I saluted - enthusiasticly.

81 swamprat  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:43:52pm
82 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:44:07pm

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

And I saluted - enthusiasticly.

TMI! TMI!

83 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #77 ASU86PE

Sorry, I keep imagining that Whitney is about to accidentally drop her Crack pipe on the stage at any point.

84 Cognito  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:44:50pm

re: #40 Dianna

I noticed, after typing two passionate replies, that I was all by myself back there.

Ummm... actually I was just makin' a sandwich, and returned to make my own unheard replies.

(Absorbing all embarrassment.)

85 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:44:59pm

re: #70 BBev

Ya I tryed that! Nothing

Plant the seed and give it sunlight and water. Thats about all you can do.

86 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:45:04pm

re: #78 lummox

I also find the SCOTUS argument alarmist.
Yes, Obrahma would appoint ultra libs..... to replace the libs who would retire. I don't see any consevative judges retiring.

All I want is a true constitutionalists

87 Cartman  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:45:06pm

re: #78 lummox

I also find the SCOTUS argument alarmist.
Yes, Obrahma would appoint ultra libs..... to replace the libs who would retire. I don't see any consevative judges retiring.

Huh? It's called tipping the majority! Sheesh!

88 gop_patriot  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:45:33pm

Boston Pops "Stars and Stripes Forever" July 4th, 2007

We watch this every year! The youngest son marches all over the house waving his American flag when this plays. :)

89 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:45:40pm

re: #63 Mich-again

They are not solid Republicans then. If for no other reason than which judges get appointed to the Supreme Court. Yes, lots of Republicans may want to make a statement that John McCain isn't conservative enough, but in doing so, they will help tip the scales of the SCOTUS for decades. And then it won't matter so much the next several elections who is elected to POTUS.

My dad was one of the Perot supporters and I'm always reminding him that Ross Perot supporters gave us 8 years of Slick Willie and a lifetime of Ruth Bader Ginsburg .

And Stephen Breyer. But George H.W. Bush gave us David Souter. Gerald Ford gave us John Paul Stevens. Even Ronald Reagan gave us Anthony Kennedy (After Robert Bork was Borked).
Here's a clue- If the Judge is in his 50's, has never been married, and still lives with his mom, odds are he's not a conservative.

90 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:45:43pm

Goodnight, realwest!

91 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:46:26pm

Nighty-night, Lizards!

92 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:46:28pm

re: #74 Egfrow

Bob, I believe a solid VP candidate is going to be the tie breaker. This may also allow us to keep the House and Senate from slipping out of proportion to a Majority Democratic swing. And most importantly, the next president gets to appoint two Supreme Court Justices. Imagine the LLL Dems in power in the house and senate and a Marxist choosing the Majority vote of the SCOTUS. Goodbye Amendments!

It'll be Mitt Romney.

93 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:46:39pm

re: #91 MandyManners

Nighty-night, Lizards!

G'night!

94 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:47:29pm

re: #89 Bob in Breckenridge

Here's a clue- If the Judge is in his 50's, has never been married, and still lives with his mom, odds are he's not a conservative.

In that case odds are he is a KosKid.

95 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:47:56pm

re: #43 MandyManners

The second one's boobs look so rock-hard that you could bounce a wrench off of them.

I thought that only #9 didn't look stupid, or worse.

96 WindHorse  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:48:01pm
97 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:48:05pm

well, i need sleep. Weet Dreams!

99 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:48:32pm

re: #95 MajorPribluda

I thought that only #9 didn't look stupid, or worse.

Never understood why guys like that.

100 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:48:33pm

re: #92 Bob in Breckenridge

It'll be Mitt Romney.

We can only hope.

101 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:49:05pm

re: #78 lummox

I also find the SCOTUS argument alarmist.
Yes, Obrahma would appoint ultra libs..... to replace the libs who would retire. I don't see any consevative judges retiring.

So you approve of Boumedienne? You think that Justice Kennedy alone should have the power to reverse all three branches of government?

102 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:49:13pm

re: #92 Bob in Breckenridge

I have to agree, Romney is the most viable candidate as VP and is definitely in the best interests of our nation. We can count the reasons more than we have fingers.

103 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:49:17pm

re: #82 Hard Right

TMI! TMI!

LOL!

Wasn't going there, but walked right into it, didn't I?

104 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:49:22pm

re: #84 Cognito

I don't know how close we are, but I'll take any opposition to sharia law.

105 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:49:43pm

re: #94 Mich-again

In that case odds are he is a KosKid.

Case in point!

106 Dianna  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:50:40pm

Goodnight, lizards!

My dogs need walking, and I need sleep.

107 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:52:17pm

re: #92 Bob in Breckenridge

It'll be Mitt Romney.

That would be a good pick.

108 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:52:20pm

If it was not from the pressure of the MSM against Romney and for McCaine, I believe Romney was the strongest candidate and probably truly the most popular. The delegates have spoken and McCaine was propped up, given more screen time while Romney was snubbed.

109 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:52:26pm

re: #106 Dianna

Goodnight, lizards!

My dogs need walking, and I need sleep.

Goodnight and don't let the bedbugs bite.

110 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:52:57pm

re: #101 MajorPribluda

Did I say that? There are two judges who will retire or cack in the next four years. They will be replaced by Obrahma or McCain. If they are replaced by clones , it tips nothing.

111 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:53:08pm

re: #108 Egfrow

If it was not from the pressure of the MSM against Romney and for McCaine, I believe Romney was the strongest candidate and probably truly the most popular. The delegates have spoken and McCaine was propped up, given more screen time while Romney was snubbed.

Don't forget Schmuckaby. If not for him it would be Romney.

112 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:53:39pm

re: #100 BBev

We can only hope.

McCain supposedly doesn't like Romney, but he has to pick the guy who gives him the best chance to win. I pointed this out a few days ago, but the ONLY reason JFK picked LBJ, whom he detested, was because LBJ could deliver the southern states, which he did.

113 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:54:20pm

re: #108 Egfrow

If it was not from the pressure of the MSM against Romney and for McCaine, I believe Romney was the strongest candidate and probably truly the most popular. The delegates have spoken and McCaine was propped up, given more screen time while Romney was snubbed.

I agree 100%.

114 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:54:50pm

re: #92 Bob in Breckenridge

It'll be Mitt Romney.

Why? Did he serve aboard USS JOHN C. STENNIS?

115 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:55:54pm

re: #112 Bob in Breckenridge

I imagine a RINO won't really like a Conervative. It's To much integrity to measure himself against.

116 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:55:59pm

How I long for Ronald Reagan, he was the first President I voted for. I grew up in the 70's and all I heard was gloom and doom. History is repeating itself.

117 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:56:43pm

As with GWB, the VP nom will be very conservative in order placate the hard right, and drive the lefties nuts. Meanwhile, the Dems will nominate another asshole as VP like they did in '04, thinking they have the election sown up. The middle will be relieved that they have a McCain to vote for, with a hard-liner to potentially influence his bullshit amnesty ideas, and will vote overwhelmingly for the Republican ticket. Demagogues (sp?) like Sharpton and Jackson will cry racism so long and for so loud that even most of the left will be insulted and the DNC will be trashed for 2012. Hopefully they'll wise up and purge their ranks of the socialists.

118 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:56:49pm

re: #110 lummox

If you assume that intentional retirement is the only possible way that current Justices will leave the Supreme Court for the next four years ... that's assuming a lot, IMHO.

119 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:58:50pm

re: #110 lummox

Did I say that? There are two judges who will retire or cack in the next four years. They will be replaced by Obrahma or McCain. If they are replaced by clones , it tips nothing.

The point I am making is that we are already in extremis, and simply because we are going to continue losing is sufficient reason to get all worked up. You say it's alarmist, but I say it's time to clean that stable.

Look at it this way--the Liberals will be replaced soon. That means that down the road, a batch of conservatives are likely to be replaced. I'd like some insurance. I'm not in this to tie. I want to win.

My resulting fury at John McCain (who scuttled our previous run at this) notwithstanding, I'll vote for him and grin like a maniac, just because it's SO-O-O much better than voting for Obama.

120 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:59:13pm

re: #116 BBev

I honstly believe RR was a fluke, and warp in the time space continuum, or as our founders like to refer as Providence. The Left were not ready for such a force and were caught off guard.

121 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 10:59:19pm

re: #114 MajorPribluda

Why? Did he serve aboard USS JOHN C. STENNIS?

Nah, I did, so I'd know if he did.

122 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:02:20pm

re: #118 RedPepper

If you assume that intentional retirement is the only possible way that current Justices will leave the Supreme Court for the next four years ... that's assuming a lot, IMHO.

It would also be assuming a lot to think the potential nominee of either party will be the eventual nominee. Shiite happens.

123 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:02:41pm

re: #45 Bob in Breckenridge

RIP, Bozo... But clowns are creepy.

Damned shame. I will always remember him from this Seinfeld clip, though.

124 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:03:13pm

re: #122 lummox

It would also be assuming a lot to think the potential nominee of either party will be the eventual nominee. Shiite happens.

Do you know something we don't?

125 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:04:44pm

Just posted this in the spinoff links. I busted a gut watching it.

126 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:04:53pm

re: #124 Bob in Breckenridge

Do you know something we don't?


No, but I assume nothing.

127 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:05:17pm

Reagan was the first president who I voted for also.

Is this the evolution thread?

128 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:06:06pm

re: #121 Bob in Breckenridge

Nah, I did, so I'd know if he did.

If you have already explained the flap about your timewarp transnational service, could you point out where that was?

129 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:06:12pm

re: #120 Egfrow

I honestly believe RR was a fluke, and warp in the time space continuum, or as our founders like to refer as Providence. The Left were not ready for such a force and were caught off guard.

Ronald Reagan was a man that you could look up to that brought to the public what he wanted to achieve, he went over the heads of the MSM. GB could have achieved the same if he would have just said something but he said nothing. I am so disappointed, all he had to do was to bring his ideas to the people!

130 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:06:37pm

re: #127 DesertSage

Reagan was the first president who I voted for also.

Is this the evolution thread?

Well, it wasn't designed that way, but may evolve into it.

131 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:06:42pm

re: #125 Honorary Yooper

Just posted this in the spinoff links. I busted a gut watching it.

Hey yoop, it's the White Sox who live in government housing- The taxpayers of Illinois own their home! : )

132 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:06:44pm

re: #122 lummox

That's generally true, but some things are more likely than others.

I can think of one conservative Justice who's had health problems that could force a retirement in the future, f'rinstance.

133 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:07:29pm

re: #128 MajorPribluda

If you have already explained the flap about your timewarp transnational service, could you point out where that was?

Look idiot, we went over this three weeks ago. Search for it, moron.

134 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:07:39pm

re: #117 Noam Sayin'

Hopefully they'll wise up and purge their ranks of the socialists.

I won't be depending on that, the Strength of foreign influence on our internal politics and the selling out of everything for short term gains will ensure they will most likley move even further to the Left than the are now., if that's even possible, but Never underestimate the lows the Left will got to to justify the ends to their perceived means.

135 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:07:40pm

re: #127 DesertSage

More like a devolution thread.

136 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:07:50pm

re: #129 BBev

Ronald Reagan was a man that you could look up to that brought to the public what he wanted to achieve, he went over the heads of the MSM. GB could have achieved the same if he would have just said something but he said nothing. I am so disappointed, all he had to do was to bring his ideas to the people!

Agreed completely. Some wag coined the term "battered President syndrome" for what happened, and I think it hits right on. There a lot of people who have been getting paid far more than they were worth.

137 BakaRanger  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:09:44pm

Obama:
Money given to Trinity Church in '06-'07 $26 thousand
Money raised for presidential election $200 million
Losing to McCain in '08 Priceless!

138 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:11:44pm

re: #129 BBev

Ronald Reagan was a man that you could look up to that brought to the public what he wanted to achieve, he went over the heads of the MSM. GB could have achieved the same if he would have just said something but he said nothing. I am so disappointed, all he had to do was to bring his ideas to the people!

Bev, Unfortunately neither GB Sr or Jr understood the Gipper's principles. Sr. wanted to build that Bullshit New World Order coalition of the Willing during Desert Storm, It cost us from doing the right thing and cleaning out Saddam's clock when we could have done it right and permanently. When we got the order to stop just outside Baghdad, it was like a Knife though all our hearts. GWB is a better president than his father but still not a true conservative.

139 LeePro  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:11:44pm

Good Mornin' and Happy (still Independent) FOURTH, everybody! ! !

A little ditty:

He who goes forth
With a fifth on the Fourth,
Seldom goes forth on the fifth.
      - Unknown

140 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:11:55pm

Mit in 2012!

141 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:12:09pm

re: #132 RedPepper

That's generally true, but some things are more likely than others.

I can think of one conservative Justice who's had health problems that could force a retirement in the future, f'rinstance.

Some things are less likely also. An astroid could hit DC and we get a clean slate. We are not playing what if, but what now.

142 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:12:30pm
Glad you asked.

/effectively neutering Iran solves well over 90% of the current world problems, get 'er done, sooner than later

/something to think about over the weekend

143 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:13:37pm

re: #26 Hard Right

We are talking about a dog, right? ;)

yup!

144 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:13:49pm

re: #139 LeePro

Hi Lee, happy Quarto de Julio

145 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:14:15pm

re: #138 Egfrow

Ya and don't forget the thousand points on lights speech. I don't even want to get in to that!

146 swamprat  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:14:19pm
147 deportman  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:14:45pm

Deep down every single liberal hates INDEPENDENCE DAY. Look at it like they do:

-White males
-Armed with rifles
-Rufused to pay (unjust) taxes
-Rebellion against centralized oppressive government
-Prayed to GOD to bless their noble venture
-Risked EVERYTHING, including their lives
-Declared INDEPENDENCE

Liberals hate this day. Look at them on TV as they downplay all that is noble about America. Deep down the liberals feel shame on this day and they can't hide their contempt for America.

GOD Bless America.

148 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:15:02pm

Red is going to spike the fruit cups again.

149 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:15:17pm

re: #129 BBev

Ronald Reagan was a man that you could look up to that brought to the public what he wanted to achieve, he went over the heads of the MSM. GB could have achieved the same if he would have just said something but he said nothing. I am so disappointed, all he had to do was to bring his ideas to the people!

Sorry BBev, but no way re GWB. President Reagan was called the "great communicator" for very good reason. When he spoke, he spoke to the American people, NOT to the idiots in the press, he ignored them. GWB is not in the same stratosphere as President Reagan was. Too many republicans want the press to like them, rather than respect them, McCain included. It's not going to happen.

150 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:16:49pm

re: #133 Bob in Breckenridge

Look idiot, we went over this three weeks ago. Search for it, moron.

First, didn't I just ask where it was? Is that too much trouble?
Second, there are two possible explanations that I had consdered, but you let it go for quite a while without any attempt to clear up your obviously untrue statement, and I'm certainly not going to give you cover stories. Not if I really want to believe you in the event that you do decide to clear things up. What am I supposed to think?
Third, I know that I'm not on here every day, sometimes not for weeks. So didn't I just allow for the possibility that I had missed it?
Fourth, do you think that people who are suspected of lying about their military service should be treated with anything other than disdain? Does that make me an idiot and a moron?
Fifth, try searching for the several times I asked you to explain your statement. Weeks ago, I *did* search for combinations of 'Breckenridge' and 'Stennis', and found almost nothing I hadn't written, and exactly nothing which you had written.

I'm going to go search.

151 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:18:03pm

re: #147 deportman

I've notice that the new Tactic of the MSM to downplay the 4th of July celebration is to pump stories about, how towns can't afford it because of Gas Prices, bad economy, Fear of fires from our Global Warming drought, etc.. It's a very obvious ploy.

152 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:18:06pm

re: #138 Egfrow

Bev, Unfortunately neither GB Sr or Jr understood the Gipper's principles. Sr. wanted to build that Bullshit New World Order coalition of the Willing during Desert Storm, It cost us from doing the right thing and cleaning out Saddam's clock when we could have done it right and permanently. When we got the order to stop just outside Baghdad, it was like a Knife though all our hearts. GWB is a better president than his father but still not a true conservative.

Bingo! Couldn't agree with you more!

153 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:18:16pm

re: #139 LeePro

Good Mornin' and Happy (still Independent) FOURTH, everybody! ! !

A little ditty:

He who goes forth
With a fifth on the Fourth,
Seldom goes forth on the fifth.
      - Unknown

and then there's me......

/Boat Drinks!

154 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:18:21pm

re: #141 lummox

Chief Justice Roberts has a history of seizures.

I would say that chances of him developing more serious problems & retiring are a bit more than the odds of an asteroid taking out D.C. ...

155 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:20:07pm

re: #143 redc1c4

yup!

Oh wow, serious memories there.

156 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:20:31pm

re: #149 Bob in Breckenridge

Sorry BBev, but no way re GWB. President Reagan was called the "great communicator" for very good reason. When he spoke, he spoke to the American people, NOT to the idiots in the press, he ignored them. GWB is not in the same stratosphere as President Reagan was. Too many republicans want the press to like them, rather than respect them, McCain included. It's not going to happen.

Ya I hear ya. But his tax cuts and the war etc. he could have come to the people he could have explained to the people why. We here know but remember the masses are asses.

157 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:21:05pm

Poor Poor Pitiful me

/studio professionals

158 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:21:23pm

I vote that we close Guantanamo Bay by invading Cuba and getting and use it as a Base of operations for getting Eurofacism out of our Hemisphere. Just a thought.

159 swamprat  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:21:25pm
160 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:22:06pm

re: #147 deportman

Deep down every single liberal hates INDEPENDENCE DAY. Look at it like they do:

-White males
-Armed with rifles
-Rufused to pay (unjust) taxes
-Rebellion against centralized oppressive government
-Prayed to GOD to bless their noble venture
-Risked EVERYTHING, including their lives
-Declared INDEPENDENCE

Liberals hate this day. Look at them on TV as they downplay all that is noble about America. Deep down the liberals feel shame on this day and they can't hide their contempt for America.

GOD Bless America.

and it only takes a Pittance of time
to remember our heros, and our Allies that have stood with us.

may we continue to have said strength.


/i'm a day late on the Canada Day issue, but y'all are no less from my heart.

161 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:26:10pm

re: #150 MajorPribluda

First, didn't I just ask where it was? Is that too much trouble?
Second, there are two possible explanations that I had consdered, but you let it go for quite a while without any attempt to clear up your obviously untrue statement, and I'm certainly not going to give you cover stories. Not if I really want to believe you in the event that you do decide to clear things up. What am I supposed to think?
Third, I know that I'm not on here every day, sometimes not for weeks. So didn't I just allow for the possibility that I had missed it?
Fourth, do you think that people who are suspected of lying about their military service should be treated with anything other than disdain? Does that make me an idiot and a moron?
Fifth, try searching for the several times I asked you to explain your statement. Weeks ago, I *did* search for combinations of 'Breckenridge' and 'Stennis', and found almost nothing I hadn't written, and exactly nothing which you had written.

I'm going to go search.

Good, after you get done searching, go to hell, asshole. I explained it all. I was watching the movie "The Hunt For Red October" at the time I posted it AS A JOKE, and if you would have read my very first comment after I posted it, you'd realize I WAS KIDDING! Not about serving in the Navy, I did serve. Went in on 25Nov1982, company 942 at RTC/NTC San Diego, CA. Went to Avionics "A" school at NATTC, NAS Memphis, in Millington, TN.

162 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:26:28pm

Well I've scrubbed the grill, washed the glasses, turned off the juke box and cashed out. Big day later today.

Here's to 232 more years of freedom and independance. Night all.

163 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:27:51pm

A friend of mine is going on his forth tour in Afghanistan in a few months his concerns are the rules of engagement and I have to agree with him.

164 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:27:56pm

re: #148 DesertSage

Red is going to spike the fruit cups again.

going to?

(expect firew*rks! %-)

/mission accomplished

165 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:28:51pm

re: #159 swamprat

I always liked that one.

166 deportman  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:29:04pm

You could not be any more correct in your assessment. I'm personally going to burn a lot of coal and wood, eat meat, and set off lots of (legal) fireworks.re: #151 Egfrow

167 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:29:37pm

re: #163 BBev

Send a shovel with him. We won't say a thing.

168 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:30:06pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

I saw what and when you posted it and you have explained the hell out of it. Why bother anymore?

169 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:30:11pm

re: #167 Noam Sayin'

Okay, Charles. Go ahead and delete that one if it was over the line.

170 LeePro  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:30:57pm

re: #144 DesertSage

Hi Lee, happy Quarto de Julio

Gracias, mi amigo!

Wait!

This is America. Speak English, please!

Listen to the announcer and the background music. This will take your breath away! ! !

171 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:31:36pm

re: #163 BBev

A friend of mine is going on his forth tour in Afghanistan in a few months his concerns are the rules of engagement and I have to agree with him.

Here's a rule of engagement, To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women. Thanks Conan. Since we can't imprison our enemies then it's going to be better that we just kill them all wherever we find them.

172 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:32:06pm

re: #167 Noam Sayin'

Send a shovel with him. We won't say a thing.

Sounds good to me but he is a good and honorable man.

173 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:32:29pm

As long as we're swingin'

Opus One

174 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:32:41pm

re: #160 redc1c4

Thank you, the music and video were both nice and powerful. Just a brief moment of pause for all of America's heroes.

175 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:33:00pm

re: #171 Egfrow

Here's a rule of engagement, To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women goats. Thanks Conan. Since we can't imprison our enemies then it's going to be better that we just kill them all wherever we find them.

Adjusted to fit the terrorists we are fighting.

176 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:33:29pm

re: #172 BBev

Sounds good to me but he is a good and honorable man.

Then give him an afternoon with me, an ounce of weed and a half dozen hookers.

177 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:34:20pm

re: #163 BBev

A friend of mine is going on his forth tour in Afghanistan in a few months his concerns are the rules of engagement and I have to agree with him.

I think now they have to photograph where all the shell casings landed and save them for evidence. The ACLU will need them for the trial in Federal Court that the bad guy will demand.

Oh, and I think he will have to read the bad guy his rights now....before he shoots him.

178 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:34:28pm

re: #176 Noam Sayin'

Then give him an afternoon with me, an ounce of weed and a half dozen hookers.

Bill? Bill Clinton, is that you?

179 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:35:20pm

re: #176 Noam Sayin'

I was just kidding about that one. I only have enough weed and hookers for myself.

Seriously, though. I wish him the best, pray for his safety, and honor his service to his country.

180 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:35:52pm

re: #176 Noam Sayin'

Then give him an afternoon with me, an ounce of weed and a half dozen hookers.

Ya I think you want me for that.

181 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:36:46pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

Good, after you get done searching, go to hell, asshole. I explained it all. I was watching the movie "The Hunt For Red October" at the time I posted it AS A JOKE, and if you would have read my very first comment after I posted it, you'd realize I WAS KIDDING! Not about serving in the Navy, I did serve. Went in on 25Nov1982, company 942 at RTC/NTC San Diego, CA. Went to Avionics "A" school at NATTC, NAS Memphis, in Millington, TN.

i don't think the Stennis was ever at NAS Memphis either.....

/white smoke

182 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:36:56pm

What's going on between Noam and Bev?

Hmmmmm......

183 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:37:05pm

re: #177 DesertSage

Leaky Prison Ships bought and made in China and captained by drunk Russians with cells painted withlead paint will do just fine to replace Guantanamo. Killing them will also work for me.

184 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:37:21pm

Not a performance video, so listen in the background.

Begin the Beguine

185 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:38:04pm

re: #170 LeePro

Gracias, mi amigo!

Wait!

This is America. Speak English, please!

Listen to the announcer and the background music. This will take your breath away! ! !

Only in America. The ground crew at the end took my breath away too.

186 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:38:20pm

Digging In The Dirt

/dig here, and at several thousand other aim points, all at the same time

187 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:38:21pm

re: #167 Noam Sayin'

Send a shovel with him. We won't say a thing.

maybe we should include them in care packages from now on?

/just following the Geneva Conventions %-)

188 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:38:30pm

re: #177 DesertSage

I think now they have to photograph where all the shell casings landed and save them for evidence. The ACLU will need them for the trial in Federal Court that the bad guy will demand.

Oh, and I think he will have to read the bad guy his rights now....before he shoots him.

That is his concern

189 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:38:33pm

re: #175 Hard Right

Too many liberal lawyers have made warfare more of a police action, and given the SCOTUS decision, may have opened up our troops to lawsuits in civil courts by jihadi families and their goats. The American left has always sought to neuter the military, I think they are almost within grasp of their goal. Obama will demoralize the military the same way that Clinton did during his eight years.

190 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:39:00pm

re: #182 DesertSage

What's going on between Noam and Bev?

Hmmmmm......

?

191 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:39:05pm

re: #183 Egfrow

Do they have to have their Miranda rights read to them now before they can be detained?

192 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:39:20pm

Well, well.

Google has incorporated a fireworks display into their logo for the Fourth.

Whoop-whoop-whoop-E !

193 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:39:30pm

re: #182 DesertSage

What's going on between Noam and Bev?

Hmmmmm......

Psst... I think BBev is a dude, nick notwithstanding.re: #180 BBev

194 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:40:06pm

re: #156 BBev

Ya I hear ya. But his tax cuts and the war etc. he could have come to the people he could have explained to the people why. We here know but remember the masses are asses.

Exactly. And that's why he's no RWR. Three presidents in the last 50 years have cut taxes- JFK, Reagan, and Bush 43. And each time our taxes were cut, the government gets more money! You'd think they'd learn by now. But to libs, and some RINO's, it's a zero-sum game. If you give a tax cut to a rich person, they ASSume it must be a poor person making up the difference. It's class envy- The dummycraps pitting the rich against the poor. Nothing more, nothing less.
But that's their playbook, and has been for 60 years- I saw Harry Truman's speech at the '48 dem convention when he was nominated to run for president again, a couple years ago on CSPAN. It could have been given by the Obamessiah.
Rich vs. poor, white vs. black, straight vs. gay, old vs. young, women vs. men. It goes on and on. It truly must suck to be a liberal, because you always have someone to hate for one nonsensical reason or another.

195 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:40:18pm

re: #191 DesertSage

Not if they're dead. We just have to have allot of goat farms to pay of the families.

196 gop_patriot  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:40:25pm

re: #170 LeePro

That's very cool!

197 republic  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:41:05pm

Thank you for hoisting the American flag up high on LGF Charles!

Happy 4th of July all.

198 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:41:11pm

re: #189 DEPORTMAN

Too many liberal lawyers have made warfare more of a police action, and given the SCOTUS decision, may have opened up our troops to lawsuits in civil courts by jihadi families and their goats. The American left has always sought to neuter the military, I think they are almost within grasp of their goal. Obama will demoralize the military the same way that Clinton did during his eight years.

Exactly. Liberals like to infiltrate the institutions they oppose in order to sabotage them from the inside.
They are like termites. They nibble away at the foundation until everything collapses.

199 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:41:46pm

re: #168 BBev

I saw what and when you posted it and you have explained the hell out of it. Why bother anymore?

Because I detest having my integrity questioned.

200 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:42:03pm

re: #182 DesertSage

What's going on between Noam and Bev?

Hmmmmm......

All I will say is I have never inhaled!

201 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:42:39pm

Artie Shaw? Who is Artie Shaw?

Kids... I tell ya.

202 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:42:52pm

re: #194 Bob in Breckenridge

Exactly. And that's why he's no RWR. Three presidents in the last 50 years have cut taxes- JFK, Reagan, and Bush 43. And each time our taxes were cut, the government gets more money! You'd think they'd learn by now. But to libs, and some RINO's, it's a zero-sum game. If you give a tax cut to a rich person, they ASSume it must be a poor person making up the difference. It's class envy- The dummycraps pitting the rich against the poor. Nothing more, nothing less.
But that's their playbook, and has been for 60 years- I saw Harry Truman's speech at the '48 dem convention when he was nominated to run for president again, a couple years ago on CSPAN. It could have been given by the Obamessiah.
Rich vs. poor, white vs. black, straight vs. gay, old vs. young, women vs. men. It goes on and on. It truly must suck to be a liberal, because you always have someone to hate for one nonsensical reason or another.

It's not about getting more of our money, it's about power and control. Besides, the left doesn't care about actual results. It's about feeling good about their actions-period.

203 republic  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:42:57pm

re: #191 DesertSage

Do they have to have their Miranda rights read to them now before they can be detained?


No, they are not wearing the uniform of any country, therefore they need to be executed in the field.

204 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:43:00pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

Good, after you get done searching, go to hell, asshole. I explained it all. I was watching the movie "The Hunt For Red October" at the time I posted it AS A JOKE, and if you would have read my very first comment after I posted it, you'd realize I WAS KIDDING! Not about serving in the Navy, I did serve. Went in on 25Nov1982, company 942 at RTC/NTC San Diego, CA. Went to Avionics "A" school at NATTC, NAS Memphis, in Millington, TN.

Fair enough, but where's the part where you went over this three weeks ago?re: #133 Bob in Breckenridge

Look idiot, we went over this three weeks ago. Search for it, moron.

I searched for it. I didn't find it. Perhaps you could honor my original request for a link, or even the name of the thread where you "went over this". It could be that I'm just not searching for the right things.

So far, I haven't seen "you" the plural, as implied in your "we" going over shit. All I see is other people, including me, going over you.

I even went back and read the original thread.

I was watching the movie "The Hunt For Red October" at the time I posted it AS A JOKE, and if you would have read my very first comment after I posted it, you'd realize I WAS KIDDING!

Do you mean this post, which does indeed follow your original very closely?

re: #698 LeePro
My husband's mother died just a coupla' years ago. She was 99 and went out kickin' and hollerin'!

;D

At what prison? I'M KIDDING!

I hope that's not the one you are resting on, because it is clear that you are kidding, but about calling LeePro's Grandmother a convict.

If you are referring to another post, please, tell me which one. If you can recall where you went over this, please tell me which one. And BBev, if you could provide the same information, I would genuinely appreciate it.

I do not want to slander a veteran. So far, however, I do not think I am dealing with one. Bob, hook a brother up, and give us a link, won't you?

205 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:43:01pm

re: #181 redc1c4

i don't think the Stennis was ever at NAS Memphis either.....

/white smoke

LOL!

206 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:43:11pm

re: #200 BBev

All I will say is I have never inhaled!

And I never exhaled. We make quite a dynamic duo.

207 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:43:30pm

re: #200 BBev

All I will say is I have never inhaled!

And Bill Clinton has yet to exhale.

208 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:44:05pm

re: #199 Bob in Breckenridge

Because I detest having my integrity questioned.

Bob fuck him/her/it. you have been taking shit for to long on that, as far as I am concerned it is way over!

209 BignJames  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:44:10pm

re: #173 Noam Sayin'

Did you say swingin' ?

210 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:44:39pm

re: #193 Noam Sayin'

Psst... I think BBev is a dude, nick notwithstanding.re: #180 BBev

I guess I got a little confused.
You said you wanted hookers....Bev said "you need me".

Maybe I'm a little slow, but....

211 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:45:11pm

re: #209 BignJames

Did you say swingin' ?

Ironically, Sing, Sing, Sing.

Krupa... DAMN!

212 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:45:28pm

re: #210 DesertSage

I guess I got a little confused.
You said you wanted hookers....Bev said "you need me".

Maybe I'm a little slow, but....

Stop talking about prostitutes. I'm sick of hearing about congress.

213 MajorPribluda  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:45:46pm

re: #181 redc1c4

i don't think the Stennis was ever at NAS Memphis either.....

/white smoke

redc1c4, is this friendly fire, or is he full of shit? I've been on the searches he wanted me to do, I can't find anything.

214 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:45:56pm

re: #211 Noam Sayin'

Yeah, and Paul Desmond. Damn, I love the old jazz.

215 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:47:00pm

re: #191 DesertSage

Do they have to have their Miranda rights read to them now before they can be detained?

"BANG! BANG BANG!...... Stop, or i'll shoot to wound!"

216 LeePro  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:47:06pm

re: #185 lummox

Only in America. The ground crew at the end took my breath away too.

Yeah, I noted that too, but didn't want to give away the gist.

~ sniff ...and a very feminine civilian salute!

:’D

217 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:47:07pm

re: #202 Hard Right

Agree 100% . What's important is to encourage resentment of anyone who is better-off than you are, and to portray themselves as the white knights laboring to protect the interests of the down-trodden.

218 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:47:55pm

re: #204 MajorPribluda

I hope that's not the one you are resting on, because it is clear that you are kidding, but about calling LeePro's Grandmother a convict.

If you are referring to another post, please, tell me which one. If you can recall where you went over this, please tell me which one. And BBev, if you could provide the same information, I would genuinely appreciate it.

I do not want to slander a veteran. So far, however, I do not think I am dealing with one. Bob, hook a brother up, and give us a link, won't you?

Fuck you, asshole. Who the fuck are you? Read #168 above, and get a life, moron.

219 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:47:58pm

re: #209 BignJames

LOL!

220 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:48:09pm

re: #215 redc1c4

"BANG! BANG BANG!...... Stop, or i'll shoot to wound!" You have the right to remain silent....

Modified.

221 republic  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:48:09pm

re: #215 redc1c4

"BANG! BANG BANG!...... Stop, or i'll shoot to wound!"


It's referred to as a lead microchip.

222 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:48:29pm

re: #198 Hard Right

The ACLU opposes the military; the rights of gun owners; and has made it a policy to twist the constitution into an unrecognizable dung heep.

223 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:48:59pm

re: #210 DesertSage

I guess I got a little confused.
You said you wanted hookers....Bev said "you need me".

Maybe I'm a little slow, but....

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

224 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:49:55pm

Yeah, you knew this was coming.

Krupa/Rich

225 republic  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:50:07pm

re: #222 DEPORTMAN

Barack Hussein Obama The ACLU opposes the military; the rights of gun owners; and has made it a policy to twist the constitution into an unrecognizable dung heep.

Fixed that for ya.

226 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:50:12pm

re: #217 RedPepper

Agree 100% . What's important is to encourage resentment of anyone who is better-off than you are, and to portray themselves as the white knights laboring to protect the interests of the down-trodden.

Exactly.
"Just give me more power and I'll fix everything (suckers)".
Thing is, there isn't enough power to ever satisfy them.

227 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:50:23pm

I've always liked In The Mood

228 lummox  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:50:36pm

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
/

229 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:50:46pm

Hate me, Blame me, You can't shame me. I'm American!

230 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:51:16pm

re: #228 lummox

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
/

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

231 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:51:40pm

re: #222 DEPORTMAN

The ACLU opposes the military; the rights of gun owners; and has made it a policy to twist the constitution into an unrecognizable dung heep.

No surprise considering it was founded by an open communist who stated it's purpose was to destroy America from within.

232 republic  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:51:51pm

Good night all, Happy 4th!

233 least  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:51:58pm

Majorly cool pic @ Astronomy Picture of the Day.
Different view of the 1006 supernova ( nifty photo Charles posted earlier today )

234 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:52:20pm

re: #232 republic

Good night all, Happy 4th!

Good night, and don't lose any fingers.

235 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:53:36pm

re: #223 BBev

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

Sorry BBev. Mostly I'm just teasing Noam, because...well....I like Noam. And I think he has potential

236 LeePro  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:53:37pm

re: #196 gop_patriot

That's very cool!

I'm still tearin' up...

Looks like only a coupla folks actually clicked on the link, though. Try one more time...

LIZARDS! HEADS UP! YA' GOTTA SEE THIS! ! !

237 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:53:46pm

re: #213 MajorPribluda

redc1c4, is this friendly fire, or is he full of shit? I've been on the searches he wanted me to do, I can't find anything.

bob's never even tickled my ECM, and i was raised on usenet, so i'd say let it go to as a forgotten "/" or the like. i saw the original poast and figured it was hyperbole, but that's just me.

/ there's plenty of legitimate targets out there so why service this one?

RANGE CONTROL to all stations this net: "Check Fire"

238 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:54:16pm

re: #215 redc1c4


Pretty soon the ACLU, with the help of the State Department, will recruit, train and advise jihadi battlefield advisors. These clowns will be versed on SCOTUS decisions, Miranda warnings, military rules of engagement, and the proper use of Sony Handycams. Moreover, the ACLU will sue to have the military train them. I mean it's possible, especially after the SCOTUS detainee decision.

239 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:54:31pm

re: #235 DesertSage

Sorry BBev. Mostly I'm just teasing Noam, because...well....I like Noam. And I think he has potential

I'm thinking of getting a T-shirt that says:

Scooter riders do it

...too.

240 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:54:45pm

re: #225 republic

Thanks!

241 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:54:52pm

re: #235 DesertSage

Sorry BBev. Mostly I'm just teasing Noam, because...well....I like Noam. And I think he has potential

Love those type of pics/captions. +1

242 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:55:04pm

re: #223 BBev

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

Must be the "Bev" part of BBEV. Ya think? : )

243 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:55:32pm

Yeah, Killian. You knew this was coming.

244 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:56:05pm

re: #218 Bob in Breckenridge

chill dude.....

por favor.

/boat drink?

245 DEPORTMAN  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:56:10pm

re: #231 Hard Right

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

246 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:56:23pm

Not sure if anyone notices that the amount of prisoners we have been taking has been considerably reduced while our kills are way up.

247 BBev  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:56:59pm

re: #235 DesertSage

Sorry BBev. Mostly I'm just teasing Noam, because...well....I like Noam. And I think he has potential

Thats ok just don't forget it...... :-)

248 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 3, 2008 11:57:26pm

re: #245 DEPORTMAN

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Rotten to the core. The worms won't even touch it. Full of maggots, though.

249 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:00:06am

re: #239 Noam Sayin'

I'm thinking of getting a T-shirt that says:

Scooter riders do it

...too.

This is more me and what I drive
Dodge

250 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:00:41am

re: #244 redc1c4

chill dude.....

por favor.

/boat drink?

/Stennis on the rocks?

251 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:01:20am

re: #238 DEPORTMAN

Pretty soon the ACLU, with the help of the State Department, will recruit, train and advise jihadi battlefield advisors. These clowns will be versed on SCOTUS decisions, Miranda warnings, military rules of engagement, and the proper use of Sony Handycams. Moreover, the ACLU will sue to have the military train them. I mean it's possible, especially after the SCOTUS detainee decision.

then all we have to do is equip them with state of the art electronic portable w*rkstations that will allow them to conduct their vital w*rk from where ever in the world they can meet their clients.

after all, we wouldn't want any harm to come to them or their clients.

/Harmony Church Rules!

252 DesertSage  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:02:05am

re: #236 LeePro

I'm still tearin' up...

Looks like only a coupla folks actually clicked on the link, though. Try one more time...

LIZARDS! HEADS UP! YA' GOTTA SEE THIS! ! !

That was sooooo cool, Lee! Thanks for posting it!

253 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:02:06am

re: #226 Hard Right

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” ~ H. L. Mencken

254 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:02:49am

re: #245 DEPORTMAN

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Here's a link to info on the founders of the ACLU

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

255 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:03:49am

re: #223 BBev

WTF... how long have I been here? ya I'm a dude. God I have done this too many times,

here in Lost Angeles, that wouldn't be an issue......

/it would with me, but that's a different story. %-)

256 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:03:50am

Good Morning all. Drive by posting to wish all our neighbours to the South of the border a Glorious Independence Day Celebration. May all your fire works be spectacular.

257 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:04:02am

re: #242 Bob in Breckenridge

Must be the "Bev" part of BBEV. Ya think? : )

Ya ............ok.........gerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrr. Like I have not heard that so many times...........
sarc/

258 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:04:26am

#213 MajorPribluda
t("t)

259 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:04:45am

re: #257 BBev

Ya ............ok.........gerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Like I have not heard that so many times...........
sarc/

Wait, you're a dude?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
..
soooooooo kidding.

260 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:04:47am
261 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:05:16am

re: #260 WrathofG-d

MSNBC not hiding its bias.

Exposing itself publicly?

262 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:05:52am
263 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:06:42am

re: #249 BBev

This is more me and what I drive
Dodge

This is my other vehicle.

265 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:08:12am

re: #243 Noam Sayin'

Yeah, Killian. You knew this was coming.

Awesomely excellent.

/no Geddy Lee screeching

266 eastvillageinfidel  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:09:16am

Happy Independence Day lizards! I don't have time to visit and contribute here as often as I'd like to, but I am so glad to be part of a group of so many fellow patriots! I hope everyone gets as much beer and barbecue as they can hold and let's all be grateful for this wonderful country we live in! :)

God bless America!

267 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:09:50am

re: #236 LeePro

That was sweet...

268 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:10:04am

re: #259 Hard Right

Wait, you're a dude?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
..
soooooooo kidding.

OK now it's on. I'm better with my fists then I am with words. Hell I busted a guy single handed braking into cars two days ago. He is being charged with a felony for trying to stop him.

269 DesertSage  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:10:08am

re: #263 Noam Sayin'

This is my other vehicle.

But this is the real reason you bought a Jeep, right?

270 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:10:44am

Happy 4th Of July!

W

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

271 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:11:23am

re: #268 BBev

OK now it's on. I'm better with my fists then I am with words. Hell I busted a guy single handed braking into cars two days ago. He is being charged with a felony for trying to stop him.

(Screams like a girl and runs away)

272 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:13:22am

re: #271 Hard Right

(Screams like a girl and runs away)

Ya you better run.

273 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:13:38am

re: #257 BBev

Ya ............ok.........gerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Like I have not heard that so many times...........
sarc/

Sorry.

274 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:13:55am

re: #204 MajorPribluda

Do you mean this post, which does indeed follow your original very closely?

re: #698 LeePro

My husband's mother died just a coupla' years ago. She was 99 and went out kickin' and hollerin'!

;D

At what prison? I'M KIDDING!

I hope that's not the one you are resting on, because it is clear that you are kidding, but about calling LeePro's Grandmother a convict.


Major,
That comment of mine which you have drawn in here for ammunition in your drive to start a flame war HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this OR the prior argument.

Point 1:
Leave me and my completely UNrelated comments out of your flame!

Point 2:
My husband's mother IS NOT MY GRANDMOTHER! ! !

Point 3:
He was KIDDING! I knew it and so did everyone else! It's what "I'm Kidding" means!

275 DesertSage  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:15:18am

re: #270 WrathofG-d

Wrath, that document you just posted said that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator

Blasphemy!

276 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:15:48am

re: #275 DesertSage

Wrath, that document you just posted said that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator

Blasphemy!

Some are less endowed than others.

277 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:15:49am

re: #218 Bob in Breckenridge

Fuck you, asshole. Who the fuck are you? Read #168 above, and get a life, moron.

So that's it, huh? Not one link. Not the name of a thread. Anybody could google for the information you gave me. Or could read a DD-214 somewhere. You'll find them on the net, you know.

Please recall that all I said was :

If you have already explained the flap about your timewarp transnational service, could you point out where that was?

You much later indicated to BBev that you intended to prove your point to me because :

re: #168 BBev
I saw what and when you posted it and you have explained the hell out of it. Why bother anymore?

Because I detest having my integrity questioned.

Liars always detest having their integrity questioned. It's their only bluff. I hope you are not lying, Bob. I hope that BBev is not simply shilling for you, or in fact, simply you.

You claim to have gone over all of this, but won't provide a link. BBev claims to have seen you go over all of this. I have searched for "Breckenridge" in the last month, and then combed each of those result pages for the word "Stennis". I don't see it, but there could be many reasons for that.

A little help here?

Here's why: I'm deploying to Afghanistan in a bout a week and a half (you would be correct to note that the initial deployment is to Stateside training for some months, but let's not quibble), and I enlisted in the United States Navy when Ronald Reagan was President. I actually am concealing my true identity, as I am deploying before toolong, so I'm afraid that I won't go toe-to-toe with you on DD-214s, and I don't even want to get into the specifics of what ships I was on and when.

Suffice it to say that I'll be horse-fucked before I let some dirtbag lie about his service without getting an earful about it from me. I would like to believe you Bob. It's why I asked for a link in the first place. Now it seems that I have just busted you in another lie. But I don't know that.

If you are actually more happy to leave me with this impression than to point out a link to a post which clears up what you said (and you have said that such a post exists), then what am I supposed to think, Bob?

278 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:16:20am

re: #260 WrathofG-d

MSNBC not hiding its bias.

"Bias? We don't have no steenking bias!"

/Just tingling up our legs when the Obamessiah speaks.

279 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:16:54am

re: #269 DesertSage

But this is the real reason you bought a Jeep, right?

and here i thought this was your vehicle baby.......

280 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:18:08am

re: #277 MajorPribluda

Liars always detest having their integrity questioned. It's their only bluff. I hope you are not lying, Bob. I hope that BBev is not simply shilling for you, or in fact, simply you.

You claim to have gone over all of this, but won't provide a link. BBev claims to have seen you go over all of this. I have searched for "Breckenridge" in the last month, and then combed each of those result pages for the word "Stennis". I don't see it, but there could be many reasons for that.

A little help here?

Here's why: I'm deploying to Afghanistan in a bout a week and a half (you would be correct to note that the initial deployment is to Stateside training for some months, but let's not quibble), and I enlisted in the United States Navy when Ronald Reagan was President. I actually am concealing my true identity, as I am deploying before toolong, so I'm afraid that I won't go toe-to-toe with you on DD-214s, and I don't even want to get into the specifics of what ships I was on and when.

Suffice it to say that I'll be horse-fucked before I let some dirtbag lie about his service without getting an earful about it from me. I would like to believe you Bob. It's why I asked for a link in the first place. Now it seems that I have just busted you in another lie. But I don't know that.

If you are actually more happy to leave me with this impression than to point out a link to a post which clears up what you said (and you have said that such a post exists), then what am I supposed to think, Bob?

I don't give a fuck what you think, asshole, and I'm obviously not the only one.

281 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:18:41am

re: #271 Hard Right

(Screams like a girl and runs away)

re: #277 MajorPribluda

Dude get over yourself

282 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:20:33am

re: #265 Killian Bundy

You missed a hell of a show.

/Perhaps this is more your speed.

283 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:21:58am

re: #227 DesertSage

I've always liked In The Mood

How 'bout a little George M. Cohan 4th of July! CRANK IT UP!

284 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:22:09am

re: #279 redc1c4

and here i thought this was your vehicle baby.......

Yep.

285 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:24:47am

re: #277 MajorPribluda

/red star clusters..... white star clusters....... various colors of smoke

Range Control calls a cease fire in this AO pending a sudden attack of common sense, a supply of which is en route from the depot.

would you all please apply a sock to whatever wounded portion you have, and agree to await the new dawn and additional information?

/as well as addressing the time lag issue?

red

286 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:25:03am

re: #274 LeePro

Major,
That comment of mine which you have drawn in here for ammunition in your drive to start a flame war HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this OR the prior argument.

Point 1:
Leave me and my completely UNrelated comments out of your flame!

Point 2:
My husband's mother IS NOT MY GRANDMOTHER! ! !

Point 3:
He was KIDDING! I knew it and so did everyone else! It's what "I'm Kidding" means!

Hey, go easy on the exclamation points. Bob in Breckenridge said that he indicated in his "very next comment after I posted that" that he was kidding "not about being in the navy", but presumably about serving aboard such and such a ship, etc. I skipped the one which was actually the "very next" comment, but the one I posted above was after that.

It looks like he was talking about one thing (which was a comment related to you), but wishes for us to understand it as another.

So for your Point 1, I didn't relate these things; he did. I feel that your post was completely unrelated to this subject, except that he is trying to use his response to you as a response to a completely separate issue.

Point 2, I am glad you cleared that up. Alright, I really goofed there--sorry, as soon as I saw the 99 thing, I thought "grandmother". My mistake.

Point 3. I have never seen his Stennis post acknowledged as kidding before I re-started this argument. please recall that I re-started it by ASKING IF IT HAD BEEN CLEARED UP.

Apparently not.

LeePro, I do not expect you to take seriously the issue of people lying about their military service. Please do not expect me to take seriously your furious demand for privacy over something you posted in a forum read by hundreds of thousands, and frankly available to billions.

And I dispute your characterization of my comments as "flames". I eased into this with a request for information, which has been met with increasing hostility, and no information.

287 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:26:05am

re: #279 redc1c4

and here i thought this was your vehicle baby.......

Thats not much of a mud run, kind of looks like the regular roads here in New Hampshire.

288 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:27:21am

re: #286 MajorPribluda

chill Dude....

let the gestalt catch up with you, then contemplate.

/beer?

289 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:28:31am

re: #288 redc1c4

chill Dude....

let the gestalt catch up with you, then contemplate.

/beer?

Killing a Hurricane high gravity lager as we...type. Just started dring in the last 30 minutes, so I have NO excuse for my previous posts. :(

290 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:29:14am

re: #268 BBev

OK now it's on. I'm better with my fists then I am with words. Hell I busted a guy single handed braking into cars two days ago. He is being charged with a felony for trying to stop him.

Who is being charged with a felony? For a moment there it sounded like you said "He is" when you meant to say 'I am".

291 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:29:15am

re: #289 Hard Right

Killing a Hurricane high gravity lager as we...type. Just started drinking in the last 30 minutes, so I have NO excuse for my previous sober posts. :(

fixed

292 Bob in Breckenridge  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:29:49am

re: #277 MajorPribluda

I actually am concealing my true identity.

I know you! You're Agent Orange-

Who's that? Who's there?
Police!

We've had complaints about con men pretending to be blind and crippled.

I ain't seen nothing since I stepped on that landmine in Vietnam.

It was very painful.

You were in 'Nam? So were we. Where?

I was in Sang Bang...Dang Gong...

I was all over the place, a lot of places.

What unit?

I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...

Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion.

Yeah, it was real hush hush.

I was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was me.

Airborne, huh?

I can see! I can see!
I have...I have legs.

I have... Oh shit, look at this.
Legs! I can walk.

Jesus, praise Jesus!

293 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:29:50am

re: #283 LeePro

How 'bout a little George M. Cohan 4th of July! CRANK IT UP!

Same tune, different "take."

Damn, the tears won't STOP!

294 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:30:09am

re: #282 Noam Sayin'

Perhaps this is more your speed.

/right, let's talk audience

295 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:31:45am

re: #287 BBev

Thats not much of a mud run, kind of looks like the regular roads here in New Hampshire.

Are you sure you're a dude?

;)

296 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:33:47am

re: #294 Killian Bundy

/right, let's talk audience

Look at the Rush video again - it's from 2005.

And Genesis has toured continuously since...

;P

297 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:34:33am

re: #296 Noam Sayin'

Look at the Rush video again - it's from 2005.

And Genesis has toured continuously since...

;P

Ummmm, who? ;)

298 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:35:34am

re: #290 MajorPribluda

Who is being charged with a felony? For a moment there it sounded like you said "He is" when you meant to say 'I am".

Sorry for that, not me but him. I chased 2 guys down last week and did the same. You want to fuck with me go right ahead. I may small in size but so are pit bulls.

299 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:36:47am

re: #295 Noam Sayin'

Are you sure you're a dude?

;)

Looking down........ya I am.

300 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:36:51am

re: #298 BBev

Sorry for that, not me but him. I chased 2 guys down last week and did the same. You want to fuck with me go right ahead. I may small in size but so are pit bulls.

You know it's all in good fun, right?

301 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:37:21am

re: #287 BBev

Thats not much of a mud run, kind of looks like the regular roads here in New Hampshire.

maybe you should try a souped up ford or a Hot Rod Lincoln.......

302 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:39:07am

re: #290 MajorPribluda

Who is being charged with a felony? For a moment there it sounded like you said "He is" when you meant to say 'I am".

white smoke covers all.....

/canister, projo and aerial as needed.

chill.

303 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:39:08am

re: #292 Bob in Breckenridge

I know you! You're Agent Orange-

Who's that? Who's there?
Police!

We've had complaints about con men pretending to be blind and crippled.

I ain't seen nothing since I stepped on that landmine in Vietnam.

It was very painful.

You were in 'Nam? So were we. Where?

I was in Sang Bang...Dang Gong...

I was all over the place, a lot of places.

What unit?

I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...

Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion.

Yeah, it was real hush hush.

I was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was me.

Airborne, huh?

I can see! I can see!
I have...I have legs.

I have... Oh shit, look at this.
Legs! I can walk.

Jesus, praise Jesus!


Very cute. Now where's that discussion which you and BBev insist has happened, but which nobody will provide a link to?
Were you referring to your comment regarding another lizard's mother-in-law, which I agree with that lizard on this, has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH this matter?

304 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:39:30am

re: #301 redc1c4

maybe you should try a souped up ford or a Hot Rod Lincoln.......

Hot...rod...Lincoln...

They play that song a lot at a weekly car show they have here.

305 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:40:11am

re: #300 Hard Right

You know it's all in good fun, right?

Ya I know and catching those guys was also. It's so much fun to catch the bad guys

306 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:41:07am

re: #299 BBev

Looking down........ya I am.

Just checkin. You seemed to be more interested in the road the Jeep was on, rather than the nice, bouncy boobs the camera was focused on.

And my apologies to the gay men in the house tonight. Don't mean nothin'to me if you're into dudes.

More girls with bouncy boobs for me.

307 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:41:38am

re: #296 Noam Sayin'

Look at the Rush video again - it's from 2005.

And Genesis has toured continuously since...

;P

And you should bow down to greatness pay attention.

/Pt. 1/Pt. 2

308 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:41:42am

re: #305 BBev

Ya I know and catching those guys was also. It's so much fun to catch the bad guys

I hear you. I wish I could have cought the *ssholes that tried to break into my car. Grrrrrr. >:(

309 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:42:22am

re: #292 Bob in Breckenridge

I know you! You're Agent Orange-
Agent Orange!

now both of you stop this or i'll come visit you and talk to your neighbors.

310 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:42:54am

re: #309 redc1c4

While saying you're from the FBI.

311 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:44:36am

re: #303 MajorPribluda

The discussion exists. I read through it as they busted Bob's balls for it. I can't vouch for any integrity of the conversation as I'm not versed in naval assignments, or vessels thereof, but the conversation exists. Because you can't find it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

312 justadot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:44:48am

re: #303 MajorPribluda

The post exists: Here.

313 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:44:50am

re: #306 Noam Sayin'

Just checkin. You seemed to be more interested in the road the Jeep was on, rather than the nice, bouncy boobs the camera was focused on.

And my apologies to the gay men in the house tonight. Don't mean nothin'to me if you're into dudes.

More girls with bouncy boobs for me.

now we're in a flaming boob thread......

with tassels?

314 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:46:25am

re: #310 Hard Right

While saying you're from the FBI.

naw..... just me IRL with my best friend and living punk rocker

/maximum cringe from the straight folks %-)

315 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:47:16am

re: #306 Noam Sayin'

Just checkin. You seemed to be more interested in the road the Jeep was on, rather than the nice, bouncy boobs the camera was focused on.

And my apologies to the gay men in the house tonight. Don't mean nothin'to me if you're into dudes.

More girls with bouncy boobs for me.

Hay what? I need to go back and watch that. I saw the begining and saw a mud run, man I surly missed something. Boobs . I'm going back to take a second look.

316 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:47:22am

Happy 4th O'July everyone ! !

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The specific and legitimate complaints.

(AKA: warning)


The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

Continued -

317 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:47:44am

re: #298 BBev

Sorry for that, not me but him. I chased 2 guys down last week and did the same. You want to fuck with me go right ahead. I may small in size but so are pit bulls.

Guess what. On the internet--we're all the same size. Except that you posted this:re: #268 BBev

OK now it's on. I'm better with my fists then I am with words. Hell I busted a guy single handed braking into cars two days ago. He is being charged with a felony for trying to stop him.

Did you, BBev, bust a guy single handedly braking into cars?

318 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:48:14am

re: #312 justadot

The post exists: Here.

Sweet. BRB.

319 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:49:22am

re: #307 Killian Bundy

Ah, man. My bad. I clicked your link and saw Genesis walking on stage. Is this what you were showing me? I'm diggin it. Thanks.

/So how long have they been touring consistently. ;P

Seriously, this is... damn, I have to say, groovy.

320 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:50:40am

re: #313 redc1c4

now we're in a flaming boob thread......

with tassels?

Mammaries, light the corner of my mind....

321 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:52:21am

re: #276 Hard Right

Some are less endowed than others.

LOL!

Wait...

...is my shirt unbottoned?

322 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:52:27am

re: #315 BBev

Hay what? I need to go back and watch that---16 or 17 times. I saw the begining and saw a mud run, man I surly missed something. Boobs . I'm going back to take a second look.

Read your mind. ;)

323 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:53:02am

re: #317 MajorPribluda

Did you, BBev, bust a guy single handedly braking into cars?

YES.

324 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:53:42am

re: #313 redc1c4


with tassels?

Tassels? Tassels? Why? Aren't boobs just wonderful on their own? Jeepers. You want tassels, too?

325 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:54:40am

re: #314 redc1c4

naw..... just me IRL with my best friend and living punk rocker

/maximum cringe from the straight folks %-)

Heh. I look absolutely "square" on the outside. In truth, I'm only half square. A punker wouldn't bother me.
One of my favorite songs is Too Drunk to F*ck by DK.

326 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:55:14am

re: #307 Killian Bundy

Again...

Awesome.

327 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:55:21am

re: #321 LeePro

LOL!

Wait...

...is my shirt unbottoned?

There is no such thing as too small. Too ugly maybe, but not too small.

328 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:55:33am

re: #321 LeePro

LOL!

Wait...

...is my shirt unbottoned?

yes, and a *very* nice sight it is......

%-)

329 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:55:59am

Continued:

H

e has kept among us, in times of peaceStanding Armies without the consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

Continued -

330 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:56:03am

re: #324 Noam Sayin'

Tassels? Tassels? Why? Aren't boobs just wonderful on their own? Jeepers. You want tassels, too?

+1 for having the same view as me.

331 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:56:23am

re: #324 Noam Sayin'

Tassels? Tassels? Why? Aren't boobs just wonderful on their own? Jeepers. You want tassels, too?

whipping cream causes so many problems.... %-)

332 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:56:41am

re: #319 Noam Sayin'

Ah, man. My bad. I clicked your link and saw Genesis walking on stage. Is this what you were showing me? I'm diggin it. Thanks.

/So how long have they been touring consistently. ;P

Seriously, this is... damn, I have to say, groovy.

Genesis is an aquired tasre.

/you're Rush cool except for Geddy Lee

333 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:57:12am

re: #332 Killian Bundy

Genesis is an aquired tasre.

/you're Rush cool except for Geddy Lee

Mamma?

334 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:57:39am

re: #330 Hard Right

re: #331 redc1c4

It's okay to call them, 'sweater kittens' though, right?

335 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:58:15am

re: #317 MajorPribluda

So whats your point?

336 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:58:30am

re: #325 Hard Right

Heh. I look absolutely "square" on the outside. In truth, I'm only half square. A punker wouldn't bother me.
One of my favorite songs is Too Drunk to F*ck by DK.

california uber alles!

i have your fave as a 45, btw......

you a local by any chance?

337 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:58:58am

re: #334 Noam Sayin'

re: #331 redc1c4

It's okay to call them, 'sweater kittens' though, right?

I like that. Cute and complimentary.
BTW, am I the only one who thinks something else when they hear "Hello kitty"?

338 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 12:59:53am

Have you ever actually read it?

339 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:00:35am

re: #336 redc1c4

california uber alles!

i have your fave as a 45, btw......

you a local by any chance?

(old man voice) I remember 45s. I even owned some.
If you're in AZ, yes.

340 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:01:25am

re: #332 Killian Bundy

Genesis is an aquired tasre.

/you're Rush cool except for Geddy Lee

Rush... is an aquired taste. Genesis is a pop-inspired, rock-like project, talented though they may have been.

And by the looks of your grammar and spelling on that post, you may have had a couple.

*clink*

Thanks again for the Return to Forever link. I gotta hit the record store, now.

341 BignJames  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:02:42am

re: #334 Noam Sayin'

puppies?

342 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:02:42am

Continued:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The signers of the Declaration represented the new states as follows:
New Hampshire

Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts

John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island

Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut

Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York

William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey

Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania

Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware

Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland

Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia

George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina

William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina

Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

343 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:04:25am

re: #337 Hard Right

BTW, am I the only one who thinks something else when they hear "Hello kitty"?

Not appropriate on a first date. If you're there on a first date, go ahead and push the envelope.

344 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:04:40am

re: #312 justadot


Bravo! Upholding the LGF fact checking tradition that I thought was withering on the vine. Kudos!

345 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:06:03am

re: #334 Noam Sayin'

re: #331 redc1c4

It's okay to call them, 'sweater kittens' though, right?

only if they will let you pet them.....

346 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:06:25am

re: #343 Noam Sayin'

Not appropriate on a first date. If you're there on a first date, go ahead and push the envelope.

I'm old fashioned. I wait until the 2nd date........if I can. ;)

347 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:08:19am

re: #342 RTLM

My ancestors were here and fought for this freedom. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower they also fought for the north in the civil war. I am the keeper of the family record that goes back to the 1500's.

348 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:09:23am

re: #347 BBev

My ancestors were here and fought for this freedom. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower they also fought for the north in the civil war. I am the keeper of the family record that goes back to the 1500's.

.

349 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:11:08am

My ancestors were procrastinators. They came over on the Juneflower

350 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:11:45am

re: #339 Hard Right

(old man voice) I remember 45s. I even owned some.
If you're in AZ, yes.

no, but i have a friend who's old school band plays out that way fairly often...... it you're into it.

either way i don't care about you.......

351 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:12:28am

re: #341 BignJames

Nice. I'm not much for country music, but I might go to a Rodney Carrington concert - and sit in the front row.

... looking backwards.

352 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:12:30am

re: #347 BBev

My ancestors were here and fought for this freedom. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower they also fought for the north in the civil war. I am the keeper of the family record that goes back to the 1500's.

That's my dad. On my dad's side they came from Ireland in during the 1860's potato famine. On my mom's side, Spanish conquistadors who settled in Cuba.

353 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:14:21am

re: #349 lummox

My ancestors were procrastinators. They came over on the Juneflower

Man did they miss out on some fun!

354 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:14:26am

re: #312 justadot

Just to be complete, here is the entire comment you linked:

#144 Bob in Breckenridge 6/14/2008 5:39:52 pm PDT

re: #62 Render

Bob, while you're still logged on do you think you could explain this comment of yours?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It cannot possibly be true and that is a problem.

SERIOUSLY,
R

It was a JOKE! I was watching "The Hunt For Red October" at the time, and that's where the Red October was based. Scroll down and see my #700. where I typed "Nothing yet", meaning no one caught on to it. Actually, Lee Pro at #710 did. Then see really Grumpy Big Dog Johnson's post at #724.

Bob, your "nothing yet" was comment #699. Your 700 was a humourous response to a comment by LeePro. When she responded in her #710

re: #700 Bob in Breckenridge

LOL

That hardly seems to be related to this matter. In fact:re: #274 LeePro

Major,
That comment of mine which you have drawn in here for ammunition in your drive to start a flame war HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this OR the prior argument.


it seems that LeePro agrees. I think that she is absolutely right, and that she was in no way connected to this. Yet it's me she attacks when I point out that Bob is using her for defense.

So justadot, if the comment you linked (and I thank you for the effort at least, which others did not see fit to invest) is the only thing between truth and falsehood--well, even the internals of that comment don't withstand any scrutiny.
Even if everything Bob says is true (and it may well be, just a joke, etc...), his explanations don't add up.

So how about it Bob? There have been times when I asked you to explain this, and you said nothing. I think that you have gone over the thread in question and cobbled together a cover story to make it look like "already explained the whole thing", and that it was accepted as such at the time. Except that no such thing happened. What you point to as your explanation was a completely unconnected remark. What you point to as acceptance of your explanation is no such thing. LeePro said so herself, and RGBDJ was only happy to josh with you until he realized that the Stennis chronology was way-off. After that he stayed on your ass for weeks. So neither LeePro or RGBDJ supported you at the time, which you imply in the post linked by justadot, above. And you did not address your similarly claimed "explanation" to your own Stennis comment, but a comment you made about LeePro's utterly, fundamentally, unconnected matter.

It's really too bad that people aren't more interested in following this. I show where you are wrong, and I provide links. You flip-flop on whether you will be bothered about explaining any of this, or whether you already have, and swear a lot.

355 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:14:50am

re: #318 MajorPribluda

Sweet. BRB.


No you won't.

356 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:15:50am

re: #354 MajorPribluda

cease fire!

357 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:16:08am

Well, it's after 3:00 here, and the lovely Laura Ingraham is on the radio, robins starting to stir. 'bout time I turn in.

Good night, y'all. Happy birthday, America.

358 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:16:59am

re: #357 Noam Sayin'

Well, it's after 3:00 here, and the lovely Laura Ingraham is on the radio, robins starting to stir. 'bout time I turn in.

Good night, y'all. Happy birthday, America.

G'night...or morning.

359 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:18:23am

re: #356 redc1c4

better yet, since you claim military rank: ""AT EASE, GODDAMNIT!"

360 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:18:43am

re: #355 lummox

No you won't.

Heh. Bet you feel silly :-) And if you don't mind, I'd like a glass of that Chateau de Fact Cheque, when all is said and done. It's good stuff.

361 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:18:52am

re: #280 Bob in Breckenridge

I don't give a fuck what you think, asshole, and I'm obviously not the only one.

Let it go, Bob. He did say he's rather be horse fucked. I suspect he is "related" to old teeny-weinie-johnson-whatzizname, and won't be satisfied no matter what.

After all, he did say he's being deployed to Afghanistan, but stateside first for training and enlisted when R. Reagan was Pres. Let's see... 20s maybe then (calculates remaining years) and he only made it to Major...

Everything's secret, including prior "service," and yet he screams blood-murder about yours?

Probably a lounge reject.

362 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:19:11am

re: #354 MajorPribluda

Are you just being obtuse, or are you just trying to convince every last one of us that you are an a$$hole?

What ever happened to the report button?/

363 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:19:22am

re: #340 Noam Sayin'

Genesis is a pop-inspired, rock-like project, talented though they may have been.

You have no idea.

/The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, for starters, it's a double album

364 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:19:40am

re: #350 redc1c4

no, but i have a friend who's old school band plays out that way fairly often...... it you're into it.

either way i don't care about you.......

There are a few places I've been meaning to go. I'd have to stay where it's safe-in the back. Not as young as I used to be.

365 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:19:43am

re: #359 redc1c4

better yet, since you claim military rank: ""AT EASE, GODDAMNIT!"

I have said a few times that although my handle is Major Pribluda, I AM NOT A MAJOR IN ANYTHING. Major Pribluda is a character in Martin Cruz Smith's most excellent Gorky Park.

366 dmh0667  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:20:15am

FYI AMC is having 'Rated R: Republicans in Hollywood' on right now, and so far it's okay. The guy who has done this let you know up front that he is basically a Democrat, but so far he's been pretty good about letting the few conservatives there speaking for themselves.

Pat Sajak's talking now...

367 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:20:16am

re: #352 Hard Right

That's my dad. On my dad's side they came from Ireland in during the 1860's potato famine. On my mom's side, Spanish conquistadors who settled in Cuba.

There is also a very great uncle and Hawaii something about him trying to convert the natives to Christ, but that is for another thread.

368 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:20:25am

re: #354 MajorPribluda

do us all a favor and put a sock in it.

right or wrong, you're being annoying, and that's a death sentence to a good message.

/free advice

369 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:21:37am

Where is Render?

370 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:22:33am

re: #354 MajorPribluda

So justadot, if the comment you linked (and I thank you for the effort at least, which others did not see fit to invest) is the only thing between truth and falsehood--well, even the internals of that comment don't withstand any scrutiny.
Even if everything Bob says is true (and it may well be, just a joke, etc...), his explanations don't add up.

That's because we've been there and done that already. People busted on Bob for a while, but he was offline and didn't see it. As soon as Bob came back online and posted on LGF, he cleared it right up with those who didn't get the joke. I remember him saying a long time ago that he was at NAS Millington, before any of this started, iirc. The Red October sub thing was a joke. Everyone didn't get it, but that's life on teh interwebs.

It's been over with for a while now.

371 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:22:45am

re: #367 BBev

There is also a very great uncle and Hawaii something about him trying to convert the natives to Christ, but that is for another thread.

That must have been interesting.
Now, the only people the Hawaiians hate more than the "tourists" are the Japanese.

372 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:22:50am

re: #364 Hard Right

There are a few places I've been meaning to go. I'd have to stay where it's safe-in the back. Not as young as I used to be.

/that *never* occurred to me.......... %-)

email is active on this link.

373 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:23:36am

re: #369 RTLM

Where is Render?

in the kettles as part of a w*rk accident?

374 dmh0667  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:24:39am

BTW Happy Birthday, AMERICA!

I think Google actually changed their logo for the occasion...

It's Red, Yellow, & Blue, though. What, don't they have a non-Venezuelan flag on their offices?

375 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:25:54am

re: #374 dmh0667

Well so they did.
Fireworks, looks like. Is that the yellow you're talking about?

376 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:26:56am

re: #363 Killian Bundy

You have no idea.

/The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, for starters, it's a double album

377 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:28:50am

Google 4th logo Red White & Blue, with a little yellow on the side.

Lefties would have felt left out.

378 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:29:28am

re: #371 Hard Right

That must have been interesting.
Now, the only people the Hawaiians hate more than the "tourists" are the Japanese.

I've been there and I love it but whats with the Japanese not wanting to move an inch when your walking down the sidewalk in opposite direction. Sorry this is America, I don't mind moving a little as long as they do also, but after a few weeks of them not moving at all well read above, I don't have a lot of tolerance for assholes

379 BignJames  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:30:55am

re: #378 BBev

They're rude.

380 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:31:01am

re: #323 BBev

YES.

Thank you. It was unclear from the way it was written.

381 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:32:55am

re: #286 MajorPribluda

LeePro, I do not expect you to take seriously the issue of people lying about their military service. Please do not expect me to take seriously your furious demand for privacy over something you posted in a forum read by hundreds of thousands, and frankly available to billions.

And I dispute your characterization of my comments as "flames". I eased into this with a request for information, which has been met with increasing hostility, and no information.

I don't really give a shit WHY you're doing this. And the larger point is NO ONE ELSE CARES EITHER.

It's unfortunate that [you] do not expect [me] to take seriously the issue of people lying about their military service, the implication being that I am shallow and insignificant.

And finally, FYI, FLAMING is exactly what you are doing! Lying by anyone enrages me, but what is worse is someone like you accusing everyone else of doing so for the simple(-minded) sake of FLAMING.

: : : scroll over : : :

382 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:33:43am

re: #369 RTLM

Where is Render?

I had wondered the same thing. It was Render who first poked a hole in that story we're not talking about any more.

383 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:37:11am

re: #380 MajorPribluda

Thank you. It was unclear from the way it was written.

Sorry about that.

384 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:37:22am

re: #301 redc1c4

maybe you should try a souped up ford or a Hot Rod Lincoln.......

My very first car ever! Notice no door handles. Had a "choke" button on the dash. Roared sweet!

385 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:39:33am

re: #382 MajorPribluda

I had wondered the same thing. It was Render who first poked a hole in that story we're not talking about any more.

Which story exactly?

386 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:40:35am

re: #378 BBev

I've been there and I love it but whats with the Japanese not wanting to move an inch when your walking down the sidewalk in opposite direction. Sorry this is America, I don't mind moving a little as long as they do also, but after a few weeks of them not moving at all well read above, I don't have a lot of tolerance for assholes

Hmmm, they moved for me. Must have been the sunglasses and/or the poker face. :)
I've had people tell me I remind them of a "terminator" when I walk.

387 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:40:50am

re: #384 LeePro

My very first car ever! Notice no door handles. Had a "choke" button on the dash. Roared sweet!

This was my first car it was to me the best in the High School parking lot "1980"
Cordoba only it was black.

388 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:41:12am

re: #381 LeePro

I beg to quibble. Flaming is more like your #274.
I have not called you any names or sworn at you. I don't believe that I've even used an exclamation point. Not sure.

Good night.

BBL.

389 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:41:37am

re: #385 RTLM

Which story exactly?

Scroll through.

390 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:41:49am

re: #388 MajorPribluda

I beg to quibble. Flaming is more like your #274.
I have not called you any names or sworn at you. I don't believe that I've even used an exclamation point. Not sure.

Good night.

BBL.

Good night and happy 4th.

391 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:42:41am

re: #389 MajorPribluda

Scroll through.

no - you should link it.

392 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:45:43am

re: #372 redc1c4

/that *never* occurred to me.......... %-)

email is active on this link.

How the hell do I e-mail you on that link? (sorry for the cluelessness)

393 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:47:01am

re: #327 Hard Right

There is no such thing as too small. Too ugly maybe, but not too small.

Wait just one fuckin' minute there, buster! Who said anything about small?

Hunh? Who?

Geez!   : : : buttoning shirt : : :

394 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:48:08am

I don't recall Render ever stirring any shit here.

395 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:48:20am

re: #393 LeePro

Looks like it's just you and me left

396 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:48:31am

re: #393 LeePro

Wait just one fuckin' minute there, buster! Who said anything about small?

Hunh? Who?

Geez!   : : : buttoning shirt : : :

Awwww, don't do that!
Simply explaining that I appreciate most of God's art.

397 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:50:19am

re: #384 LeePro

My very first car ever! Notice no door handles. Had a "choke" button on the dash. Roared sweet!

That's just the cutest car ever. :)

I drove one of these (four door) for a couple of years. It had a V8 in it. Lots of fun. lol

398 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:50:50am

re: #327 Hard Right

There is no such thing as too small. Too ugly maybe, but not too small.

Sorry to hear that about you. I'm Italian and I don't have that problem.

399 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:50:58am

And then there's this.

/you are not guitar worthy

400 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:52:33am

re: #399 Killian Bundy

I have that saved on my YouTube page. Amazingly good stuff.

401 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:52:49am

re: #391 RTLM

no - you should link it.

Sure. It starts here:
#128 MajorPribluda

re: #121 Bob in Breckenridge

If you have already explained the flap about your timewarp transnational service, could you point out where that was?

And winds up: #354 MajorPribluda

[snip]

Of course, where exactly it begins and ends is a matter of interpretation. YMMV.

You know, it really wasn't hard to provide links. More people should do so. I have done so throughout. For the third time (lest anybody think I am simply fleeing), Good night. I'll be back later.

402 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:52:56am

re: #395 BBev

Now online: 624
Logged in: 55

/fyi ...

403 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:52:59am

re: #398 BBev

Sorry to hear that about you. I'm Italian and I don't have that problem.

That was about breasts! Not.....

404 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:54:27am

re: #401 MajorPribluda

Of course, where exactly it begins and ends is a matter of interpretation. YMMV.

You know, it really wasn't hard to provide links. More people should do so. I have done so throughout. For the third time (lest anybody think I am simply fleeing), Good night. I'll be back later.

Please come up with another subject next time

405 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:55:54am

re: #403 Hard Right

That was about breasts! Not.....

Seing as it's 5 am and normally get up at 4 am something is wrong here.

406 lummox  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:59:57am

re: #405 BBev

Seing as it's 5 am and normally get up at 4 am something is wrong here.

You are SOOO right!

407 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 1:59:59am

#382 MajorPribluda

I had wondered the same thing. It was Render who first poked a hole in that story we're not talking about any more.

I'll repeat the question.

What story exactly? That we do not speak of...

(please do not tell me to go surf)

408 DistantThunder  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:00:18am

Happy Birthday to President Bush. I posted this on the wowowow Women on the Web site filled with acrimony and hate toward the Pres. in their birthday wishes to him. We were asked to send a message to the president:

Thank you President Bush for the tax cuts you gave our family and the additional child credits. It’s helped us enormously.

Thank you for keeping us safe for 7 1/2 years, when almost no one thought it was possible.

Thank you for fighting for those without a voice in Africa and, according to Bono, creating more improvement than all the previous presidents combined. People here may not appreciate you for it, but those Africans who are helpless, sick and dependent, and now have some relief, absolutely do.

Thank you for liberating 50 million people and giving them the right to vote. An Iraqi citizen says:

“The turnout in Iraq was really like nothing that I had expected. I was glued in front of tv for most of the day. My mother was in tears watching the scenes from all over the country. Iraqis had voted for peace and for a better future, despite the surrounding madness. I sincerely hope this small step would be the start of much bolder ones, and that the minority which insists on enslaving the majority of Iraqis would soon realise that all that they have accomplished till now is in vain.

“Another surprise was to see some Iraqis who had fled the country in fear of reprisals, such as the families of ex-regime figures and ex-Ba’athists, actually voting and encouraging others to vote! I know some of those from school and college and I imagined they would be bitter about the whole process, but many were not.”

[Link: healingiraq.blogspot.com...]

God bless you Pres. Bush for having the courage and vision to see this through, and thank you for restoring dignity to the White House.

They even have Ann Coulter posting there as a guest, and many refuse to come back if the site hostesses allow her back. Mature aren't they.

409 yochanan  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:00:30am

re: #43 MandyManners

fake is still fake

410 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:00:33am

re: #354 MajorPribluda

it seems that LeePro agrees. I think that she is absolutely right, and that she was in no way connected to this. Yet it's me she attacks when I point out that Bob is using her for defense.

You are one fucked up puppy ... or should I say horse-fucked (your words, your preference)

You say Bob is using me for his defense, but that is exactly what you are attempting. Yes, Bob quoted me — because I laughed at his JOKING remark! ! !

You,however are using me INCORRECTLY!

I DID NOT, DO NOT AND PROBABLY WILL NEVER agree with you!

411 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:02:02am

re: #406 lummox

You are SOOO right!

And I need to be at the airport at 7 am

412 Panhandler  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:02:32am

Where's lol? I brought some dessert.

413 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:02:51am

re: #411 BBev

And I need to be at the airport at 7 am

Ouch.

414 Panhandler  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:03:22am

And a present for red.

415 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:03:45am

ATFQ

(answerthefuckingquestion)

416 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:04:10am

re: #413 Hard Right

Ouch.

It's only 10 min's away but I had better stop drinking. :-)

417 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:05:09am

re: #416 BBev

It's only 10 min's away but I had better stop drinking. :-)

All I know is that the persons who designed Sky Harbor must have been drunk. Could help if the same type designed yours.

418 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:05:45am

re: #415 RTLM

He said goodnight, but answered you at #401.
I think... If that's what you're talking about.

419 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:07:48am

re: #417 Hard Right

All I know is that the persons who designed Sky Harbor must have been drunk. Could help if the same type designed yours.

It's just about a straight shot for me, a couple lefts and a right and I'm there. or is it a couple rights and a left.

420 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:07:53am

re: #388 MajorPribluda

I beg to quibble. Flaming is more like your #274.
I have not called you any names or sworn at you. I don't believe that I've even used an exclamation point. Not sure.

Good night.

BBL.

NEWS FLASH:
Defending oneself is not flaming!

NEWS FLASH #2:
Exclamation points are allowed! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

421 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:08:44am

re: #412 Panhandler

lol seems to have been delayed.

Fruit cup delayed, as well.

But there seem to be plenty of cranky flakes ...

422 Ma Sands  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:09:23am

re: #414 Panhandler

She is, I hope so much, on a well-deserved vacation.....? :)
But I, at least, sure do appreciate your offering --they're too pretty to eat, in fact!

Here's somebody who loves our country, even if our perhaps-future-first-lady might not.....

423 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:09:23am

re: #419 BBev

It's just about a straight shot for me, a couple lefts and a right and I'm there. or is it a couple rights and a left.

The answer is yes. ;)
Getting into SH is easy. It's getting out that is confusing.
My dad jokes that it's a family tradition that we circle a few times before we get out. I insist we are merely building escape velocity.

424 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:10:00am

re: #420 LeePro

NEWS FLASH:
Defending oneself is not flaming!

NEWS FLASH #2:
Exclamation points are allowed! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Like on the breast posts!

425 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:10:17am

re: #421 RedPepper

lol seems to have been delayed.

Fruit cup delayed, as well.

But there seem to be plenty of cranky flakes ...

Not from here maybe a little chewy but not cranky.

426 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:10:26am

re: #395 BBev

Looks like it's just you and me left

heh
;D

427 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:11:50am

re: #426 LeePro

heh
;D

Well it's going to be just you now.

Time for bed
well for an hour

428 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:12:03am

re: #426 LeePro

heh
;D

I'm still here. Now about that shirt.... :P

429 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:12:25am

re: #427 BBev

Well it's going to be just you now.

Time for bed
well for an hour

Goodnight.

430 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:12:26am

re: #396 Hard Right

Awwww, don't do that!
Simply explaining that I appreciate most of God's art.

Appreciation is a good thing!

;D

431 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:12:32am

re: #425 BBev

Didn't mean to imply.

Cranky is as cranky does.

432 Panhandler  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:12:56am

re: #426 LeePro

Grab a bunch of cookies Lee, it's not too long till Jello only if I remember right.

433 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:13:19am

re: #418 gop_patriot

He said goodnight, but answered you at #401.
I think... If that's what you're talking about.

I understand it - thanks. :)

For the newb to bring up established commenters in terms of 'exploring forbidden depths, then send me on some thread hunt is an insult.

Just atfq.

(as presented)

434 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:14:51am

re: #430 LeePro

Appreciation is a good thing!

;D

Women. I don't understand them and they drive me crazy, but God bless you! I wouldn't have it any other way.

435 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:16:10am

re: #433 RTLM

Ah, got it. :)

I am so full of antihistamines that I'm buzzing - I probably shouldn't even try and respond to the rest of you in a coherent manner. :p

So, how'ya been, RTLM?

436 yochanan  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:17:27am

re: #31 Bob in Breckenridge

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

437 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:19:01am

re: #394 RTLM

I don't recall Render ever stirring any shit here.

Alright, since you're asking, let me just cover a little of the background.

He wasn't stirring shit. He was asking the same question I was. Go ahead and read this. That link has Render rightfully demanding that Bob and I "PONY UP" about Stennis claims. I was joking, in fact trying to poke fun at Bob's impossible claim, but any joke that needs explaining needs burning. So I ponied up forthrightly. I'm still waiting for an answer that isn't flat-out wrong from Bob in Breckenridge.

BTW, here's where LeePro suspects Bob of being less-than-completely-honest, despite what she says now. That's right, she didn't get his "joke", the same as NOBODY got his joke at the time. The difference is apparently that I'm not in the clique: Here's where she supports Render when he asks the same question I have.

Perhaps it's a case of now vs then, but even then, she didn't agree with Bob. She agreed with Render, who asked (then) the same question I am now.

So the reason I was wondering where Render was, was to see if he felt that the question had been answered.

438 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:21:56am

re: #397 gop_patriot

That's just the cutest car ever. :)

I drove one of these (four door) for a couple of years. It had a V8 in it. Lots of fun. lol

Wow! Big-time gas guzzler — back in the days of real cars and real men!

The one I posted was a little 1960-something ('62?) Austin Healey sprite, yellow, just like the pic. Really sweet little roaring machine. Stood about 12" off the ground.

Better'n any car I ever owned — except maybe this one!

439 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:25:52am

re: #420 LeePro

NEWS FLASH:
Defending oneself is not flaming!

I hadn't attacked you or accused you of anything. You went off on me like a rocket. Show me where I attacked you, and I'll not only retract, I'll apologize.

440 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:26:09am

Well, off to make digital nazis into "good nazis". Don't get too close to the light lizards. It's really hot.

441 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:26:40am

re: #432 Panhandler

Grab a bunch of cookies Lee, it's not too long till Jello only if I remember right.

Thanks, Pan. Believe I will!

442 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:26:50am

re: #433 RTLM

I understand it - thanks. :)

For the newb to bring up established commenters in terms of 'exploring forbidden depths, then send me on some thread hunt is an insult.

Just atfq.

(as presented)

Is this because you outrank me on LGF? Is that how this works?

443 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:27:48am

re: #438 LeePro

Wow! Big-time gas guzzler — back in the days of real cars and real men!

The one I posted was a little 1960-something ('62?) Austin Healey sprite, yellow, just like the pic. Really sweet little roaring machine. Stood about 12" off the ground.

Better'n any car I ever owned — except maybe this one!

I was 16, and could barely see over the dashboard. LOL

That Mustang is niiice. I've always wanted one!

444 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:29:37am

Anyway. Goodnight.

445 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:30:26am

I went up to bed an noticed that the sun "well through the rain clouds" was coming up and I have to be up in a hour so I said to myself. F, it. pot of coffee on right now and I can sleep later.

446 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:30:33am

re: #437 MajorPribluda

Alright, since you're asking, let me just cover a little of the background.

He wasn't stirring shit. He was asking the same question I was. Go ahead and read this. That link has Render rightfully demanding that Bob and I "PONY UP" about Stennis claims. I was joking, in fact trying to poke fun at Bob's impossible claim, but any joke that needs explaining needs burning. So I ponied up forthrightly. I'm still waiting for an answer that isn't flat-out wrong from Bob in Breckenridge.

BTW, here's where LeePro suspects Bob of being less-than-completely-honest, despite what she says now. That's right, she didn't get his "joke", the same as NOBODY got his joke at the time. The difference is apparently that I'm not in the clique: Here's where she supports Render when he asks the same question I have.

Perhaps it's a case of now vs then, but even then, she didn't agree with Bob. She agreed with Render, who asked (then) the same question I am now.

So the reason I was wondering where Render was, was to see if he felt that the question had been answered.

What an eye opening, self searching, bowl cleansing moment it had to have been. Are you, MajorPribluda and Bob in Breckieridge on, like, reality show terms now?

/E

447 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:31:34am

re: #442 MajorPribluda

Is this because you outrank me on LGF? Is that how this works?

Yes.

448 LeePro  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:31:46am

re: #443 gop_patriot

I was 16, and could barely see over the dashboard. LOL

That Mustang is niiice. I've always wanted one!

Keep that pic. No charge!

hahaha

I'm sooooooo tired. Best go to bed while I can still walk!

Love ya {{{gop}}}!

Good night {Lizards}!

449 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:32:20am

re: #448 LeePro

Good night, sleep well! :)

450 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:36:59am

re: #443 gop_patriot

I was 16, and could barely see over the dashboard. LOL

That Mustang is niiice. I've always wanted one!

Of all the cars I have had in my life this to me was the most fun
triumph spitfire as long as you don't mind the charging system

451 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:40:16am

OK I got backup and no one is around. ha

452 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:41:10am

So I guess I will talk to myself

453 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:41:44am

re: #451 BBev

OK I got backup and no one is around. ha

I'm still around...

454 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:43:08am

re: #453 RTLM

I'm still around...

Cool, give me some good news

455 gop_patriot  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:44:13am

re: #450 BBev

Of all the cars I have had in my life this to me was the most fun
triumph spitfire as long as you don't mind the charging system

That's a cool car.

My dad went with me to look for cars when I graduated from hs, we looked at a 72 Porche 911, a 76 Corvette, a 78 Firebird, and a cute little VW convertible (Rabbit, maybe?). They were all used, of course, and really, most needed some work. Ended up with a new Civic, not as cool but less work. :)

456 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:45:28am

As long as we are talking about cars we used to have here's one that was a favorite of mine. I might be one of the few happy Fiat owners around. I don't have it anymore, do miss the gas mileage.

457 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:48:03am

re: #454 BBev

Cool, give me some good news

Here -

458 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:49:15am

re: #456 Da_Beerfreak

As long as we are talking about cars we used to have here's one that was a favorite of mine. I might be one of the few happy Fiat owners around. I don't have it anymore, do miss the gas mileage.

Wow I have not seen one of those in a long time.

The fastest car I had was a 1995 Trans Am GT, I raced and Iroc down RT 495 in Massachusetts I lost him at 155 mph and I had more to go if needed.

459 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:51:55am

re: #446 RTLM

What an eye opening, self searching, bowl cleansing moment it had to have been. Are you, MajorPribluda and Bob in Breckieridge on, like, reality show terms now?

/E

You didn't read any of the links, did you? It doesn't matter to you that what people are saying on this thread is proven false by their own posts from previous threads, does it?

Good thing that you are so wrong about LGF operating on a rank basis.

460 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:52:46am

The Fiat X19 was a very good ice road car. The mid engine was good for slick surfaces, but it'd get over centered in a 4 inch drift.

(Evergreen, Colorado)

461 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:53:34am

re: #458 BBev

A friend of mine still has his '75 TR 6. Still a lot of fun on the nice weekends, but as I get older it gets harder to get in and out of those fun cars.
// {;-)™

462 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:54:49am

re: #459 MajorPribluda

You didn't read any of the links, did you? It doesn't matter to you that what people are saying on this thread is proven false by their own posts from previous threads, does it?

Good thing that you are so wrong about LGF operating on a rank basis.

Nope - not really.

(that was a sarc - but you bought it)

-27

463 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:55:06am

re: #460 RTLM

The Fiat X19 was a very good ice road car. The mid engine was good for slick surfaces, but it'd get over centered in a 4 inch drift.

(Evergreen, Colorado)

I would like to have one right now. I'm looking for a fun summer car. I'm trying to deside what I want.

464 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:55:46am

re: #461 Da_Beerfreak

A friend of mine still has his '75 TR 6. Still a lot of fun on the nice weekends, but as I get older it gets harder to get in and out of those fun cars.
// {;-)™

Now that is a very nice car.

465 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:57:12am

re: #459 MajorPribluda

Major pain in the ass. please get over it, your beating a dead horse.

466 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:58:04am

re: #463 BBev

I would like to have one right now. I'm looking for a fun summer car. I'm trying to deside what I want.

Where are you?

(generally speaking)

467 BBev  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 2:58:37am

re: #466 RTLM

New Hampshire

468 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:02:48am

re: #460 RTLM

The Fiat X19 was a very good ice road car. The mid engine was good for slick surfaces, but it'd get over centered in a 4 inch drift.

(Evergreen, Colorado)

The Fiat was the only car I had that I ever spun out in on an icy road. It was a bit touchy that way, but the best handling car on a dry road. The transaxil gave it really good traction in the snow. I went through about eight Minnesota winters with it, rust killed it in the end.

469 BignJames  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:04:05am

re: #468 Da_Beerfreak

Rust never sleeps.

470 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:04:48am

re: #467 BBev

I've spent quality time in Newbury -

471 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:07:18am

re: #468 Da_Beerfreak

The Fiat was the only car I had that I ever spun out in on an icy road. It was a bit touchy that way, but the best handling car on a dry road. The transaxil gave it really good traction in the snow. I went through about eight Minnesota winters with it, rust killed it in the end.

The Triumph Spit fire had better suspention, I raced many Fiats. I don't know about in the snow.

472 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:09:41am

pimf/ Suspension

473 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:12:39am

re: #471 BBEV

The Spit Fire had one Leaf spring that went from one side to the other

474 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:13:37am

re: #468 Da_Beerfreak

The Fiat was the only car I had that I ever spun out in on an icy road. It was a bit touchy that way, but the best handling car on a dry road. The transaxil gave it really good traction in the snow. I went through about eight Minnesota winters with it, rust killed it in the end.

Dave G. never spun his Fiat. The worst slick road handler was dad's '76 ford 4x with no cord of wood in the back. On ice.

(swap ends on ya like a steer in a head gate)

475 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:17:20am

re: #474 RTLM

I hear ya there, I had a Dodge 1500 2 wheel drive was about the same.

476 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:19:13am

Well Now -

Its 6:15 EDST/3:15 PDST. Still no recognition of Independence Day from GOOGLE.

-S-

477 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:22:56am

re: #476 Dr. Shalit

Well Now -

Its 6:15 EDST/3:15 PDST. Still no recognition of Independence Day from GOOGLE.

-S-

Ya there is, I'm not a fan but they are all dressed up for it.

478 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:25:35am

Hello is this on

479 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:26:06am

This is what happen when you stay up all night

480 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:26:15am

re: #474 RTLM

Dave G. never spun his Fiat. The worst slick road handler was dad's '76 ford 4x with no cord of wood in the back. On ice.

(swap ends on ya like a steer in a head gate)

After the Fiat I went to a '84 Ford F150 2wd, it never gave me any troubles, on the other hand I also had for a while at the same time a '79 Ford U100 (the full size Bronco with a 351) the shorter wheelbase made the Bronc a hand full on slick roads. Don't miss filling that beast up with gas, had a twenty-six gallon tank. Now have a GMC 4x4 pu great all-rounder. Don't ask about the gas!

481 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:29:38am

re: #480 Da_Beerfreak

I think that works gallons per mile. I spend about $200 per week for gas.

482 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:31:41am

re: #479 BBEV

This is what happen when you stay up all night

It's one of the bad habits I have too, should get to bed myself.

Some old cars are like old girlfriends, you'll always miss 'em, but at the same time you're glad their not around.
// {;-)™

ps I've always liked English cars, but never had the chance to get one of my own.

483 RTLM  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:35:41am

Freedom in Iraq -

Local Street Car News

(Cool)

484 sparrowlake  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:35:49am

Good morning LGF and a happy July 4th to America - hope you enjoy.

485 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:37:32am

re: #482 Da_Beerfreak

English cars also were built for smaller drivers, at 6'2" I didn't fit into any of the English cars I could afford at the time.

Love that new Lotus, but again I'm to big for it.

486 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:38:30am

re: #482 Da_Beerfreak

I have a
Monte Carlo SS that sits in the garage. I bought it new and only take it out once in a while. My machanic wants it soooo bad. It's a 2004 and only has 15,000 miles on it and it's loaded.

487 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:41:07am

re: #483 RTLM

Freedom in Iraq -

Local Street Car News

(Cool)

That is cool

488 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:46:00am
489 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:55:20am

re: #488 gettinby

Mornin it's mornin already

490 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:57:27am

re: #489 BBEV

Folks must be sleeping in.

491 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 3:59:09am

I have not gone to bed. I have to go to the airport in about a half an hour

492 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:02:00am

Hopefully, at least, traffic will be light for you. Family coming?

I see (surprisingly) that Google did something for the 4th.

And (surprisingly) Dogpile did nothing. Odd.

493 infidelia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:06:55am

Happy Independence Day, all! Thanks to those who gave us this great nation, to those who serve it in our military and to everyone who is standing up to fight for her against the enemy without and within.

Dang, it's raining.

Sounds like we'll get our fireworks around here tomorrow night. OTH, the weather bureau said it would rain all afternoon yesterday but we didn't see a drop until about 7 in the evening.

494 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:10:40am

re: #492 gettinby

Hopefully, at least, traffic will be light for you. Family coming?

I see (surprisingly) that Google did something for the 4th.

And (surprisingly) Dogpile did nothing. Odd.

No I have to drop off my step daughter she should be here soon.

495 MajorPribluda  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:10:44am

Happy Independence Day!

496 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:11:36am

re: #493 infidelia

Happy Independence Day, all! Thanks to those who gave us this great nation, to those who serve it in our military and to everyone who is standing up to fight for her against the enemy without and within.

Dang, it's raining.

Sounds like we'll get our fireworks around here tomorrow night. OTH, the weather bureau said it would rain all afternoon yesterday but we didn't see a drop until about 7 in the evening.

What state are you in?

497 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:18:27am

re: #494 BBEV

No I have to drop off my step daughter she should be here soon.

Oh.

No matter where I've lived, 'driving to the airport' has never been something I liked doing. (I wonder why that is?)

Today is my first real day off in the last 90 days (new job), so I plan to just sit around and visit LGF now and again all day. Funny how much I miss reading the comments and gaining knowledge from them.

498 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:19:08am

re: #492 gettinby

Hopefully, at least, traffic will be light for you. Family coming?

I see (surprisingly) that Google did something for the 4th.

And (surprisingly) Dogpile did nothing. Odd.

Jefferson and Adams both died on July 4, maybe that's what they're really celebrating.

/CT off.

Happy Birthday, US of A.

499 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:20:15am

re: #497 gettinby

Oh.

No matter where I've lived, 'driving to the airport' has never been something I liked doing. (I wonder why that is?)

The anticipation of the hassle of the parking, the shooing away of the cops near the drop-off lane, the semi-teary or full-on weepy goodbyes?

500 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:24:11am

re: #483 RTLM

Freedom in Iraq -

Local Street Car News

(Cool)

Magnificent.

It reminds me of a Family Guy skit. Iraqi girls shed their niqabs and were car-washing babes in bikinis, overnight.

Brian was being sarcastic, of course, but you know...the cars are comin'. Can the car-wash babes be far behind?

501 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:25:52am

I stand corrected. It comes up if you get out of the standard entry screen on Firefox. Standard search however shows standard logo. My bad.

-S-

502 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:26:21am

Just a quick drive by to wish you all a safe and enjoyable 4th.

Let Freedom Ring!

/time to go to work

L8R

503 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:28:46am

re: #500 vbspurs

Can the car-wash babes be far behind?

I hope not.

504 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:29:11am

re: #487 BBEV
Soon some cleric is going to declare that fast cars that can outrun cars owned by al queda operatives are an insult to allah.

I predict there will be a car be que soon afterwards, and all cars manufactured in the US and England will be burned.

505 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:30:25am

re: #503 SasquatchOnSteroids

In a burqa?

The result would be not a wet t shirt contest... but a wet burka contest... could be interesting.

506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:30:46am

Happy Independence Day!

507 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:31:07am

re: #505 shanec99

In a burqa?

The result would be not a wet t shirt contest... but a wet burka contest... could be interesting.

In the sense that a root canal is interesting.

508 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:31:28am

re: #499 vbspurs

The anticipation of the hassle of the parking, the shooing away of the cops near the drop-off lane, the semi-teary or full-on weepy goodbyes?

Hmmmm.....

/pretty much all of the aforementioned.

509 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:33:19am

re: #497 gettinby

Oh.

No matter where I've lived, 'driving to the airport' has never been something I liked doing. (I wonder why that is?)

Today is my first real day off in the last 90 days (new job), so I plan to just sit around and visit LGF now and again all day. Funny how much I miss reading the comments and gaining knowledge from them.

Well that is a perk of living here in New Hampshire. Not a problem dropping someone off at the airport

510 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:33:53am

re: #505 shanec99

In a burqa?

The result would be not a wet t shirt contest... but a wet burka contest... could be interesting.

I dunno about that...
But I do respect a womans right to debase herself in my presence.
All for Equal rights.

511 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:34:46am

Wake up, Charles! Please post an Independence Day thread!

/is bossy today.

512 infidelia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:35:21am

re: #496 BBEV

What state are you in?

I'm in a state of disarray, and yourself?

Actually it's Massachusetts. Yesterday they said it would rain and it didn't and today they said it wouldn't rain and it is. We've had thunderstorms every single day for about the past 2 weeks.

513 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:36:09am

re: #507 vbspurs

In the sense that a root canal is interesting.


Yes interesting, just the way an old Chinese curse put it: "May you live in interesting time."

514 BBEV  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:36:11am

re: #512 infidelia

I'm in New Hampshire as you most likly know already, same here

515 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:37:34am

re: #512 infidelia

We've had thunderstorms every single day for about the past 2 weeks.

We in SoFla too. :(

Every time I think it's a safe day to wash my car, and I spend $20 to have them do so, whammo, it rains. I'm broke.

516 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:39:30am

re: #510 SasquatchOnSteroids

I dunno about that...
But I do respect a womans right to debase herself in my presence.
All for Equal rights.

Debasing... heavens no... I don't believe nor do I support debasing women under any condition.

But I must say I enthusiastically support artistic expression... especially artistic impression related with the female form.

517 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:41:01am

re: #516 shanec99

artistic expression, there ya go. I can agree with that.

518 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:42:58am

OT:

Since we're awaiting a new thread, let me mention that I saw "Kit Kitteridge" last night (the new Abigail Breslin vehicle).

It's a cross between a screwball comedy -- just instead of Myrna Loy, starring Shirley Temple -- Nancy Drew, and the Coen Bros. "O Brother, Where Art Thou".

I think a lot of folks will love it (period pieces are rare, and this one is very family friendly). My thoughts: watch it on DVD/Blu-Ray.

519 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:43:18am

re: #515 vbspurs

We in SoFla too. :(

Every time I think it's a safe day to wash my car, and I spend $20 to have them do so, whammo, it rains. I'm broke.

I'm in Tampa...same problem.

/stopped having it washed.
//just tell people I live in the country on a dirt road.

520 infidelia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:43:19am

re: #513 shanec99

Yes interesting, just the way an old Chinese curse put it: "May you live in interesting time."

Also "May you live an interesting life." Wise folks, those old Chinese.

521 Timbre  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:44:09am

Great Independence Day! However, with millions of liberal Americans fantasizing there was no evil anywhere in the world until 1776 or maybe 1607, I can only hope the rest of us will determinedly defend that Independence and, yes, even save the liberals' wretched, worthless lives.

522 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:47:42am

Speaking of Florida, Gov. Crist is now engaged.

He's been widely speculated on as a potential running mate for GOP presidential candidate John McCain. One obstacle to that, however, is his bachelor status.

/I didn't know it was a requirement to be Vice President.

523 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:49:10am

re: #522 gettinby


/I didn't know it was a requirement to be Vice President.

OMG! Are you serious? This reeks of expediency...

Oh well. Mazel Tov to our very tanned, very elegant Governator.

524 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:50:07am

P.S.: Florida will get the Powerball starting in January. Woo!

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:50:49am

re: #524 vbspurs

P.S.: Florida will get the Powerball starting in January. Woo!

Lotteries are taxes on those who are poor at math.

526 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:51:16am

re: #525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lotteries are taxes on those who are poor at math.

That's no way to speak of my retirement fund.

527 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:51:18am

re: #517 SasquatchOnSteroids

That came up in an argument between a woman lecturer (who was also a radical feminist) who vocally supported Robert Maplethorpe (artist who displayed a photo of an inverted crucifix in urine) and a guy who was reading a pornographic mags.

The woman called him a pig who exploited women.

The fellow said he believed the photography was an artistic expression, and he asked why she was so angry after she had no problem with what Maplethorpe did.

The conversation ended there.

528 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:52:05am

It simply cannot, and has never been, said more eloquently than this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Happy Birthday America!

Off to BWI in a few mins...a plane load of troops is coming home.

529 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:52:31am

re: #525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lotteries are taxes on those who are poor at math.

Also known as the redneck retirement plan.

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:53:18am

Crist's fiance's family developed and sold the "Whoopie Cushion".

I like her already.

531 infidelia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:54:06am

re: #528 jcbunga

It simply cannot, and has never been, said more eloquently than this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Happy Birthday America!

Off to BWI in a few mins...a plane load of troops is coming home.

Give them a big hug for me!

Got to head off to work in the bookstore, will try to spend it nagging customers to read "Last Patriot". Have a great 4th all!

532 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:54:09am

re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crist's fiance's family developed and sold the "Whoopie Cushion".

Miami Herald Headline For Crist Honeymoon:

"Crist Makin' Whoopie"

533 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:54:55am

re: #528 jcbunga

That government derives its authority because those who are governed consent to those who govern them.

What a wonderful concept and a brilliant underpinning to a document that governs the behavior in a complex society.

Our fathers were geniuses.

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:55:10am

Good morning and happy 4th of July, Lizards!

535 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:55:49am

re: #530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crist's fiance's family developed and sold the "Whoopie Cushion".

I like her already.

LOL

Excellent choice, Gov. Crist!

/the wedding should be a hoot.

536 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:58:34am

re: #527 shanec99

That came up in an argument between a woman lecturer (who was also a radical feminist) who vocally supported Robert Maplethorpe (artist who displayed a photo of an inverted crucifix in urine) and a guy who was reading a pornographic mags.

The woman called him a pig who exploited women.

The fellow said he believed the photography was an artistic expression, and he asked why she was so angry after she had no problem with what Maplethorpe did.

The conversation ended there.

Actually, the piece "Piss Christ" was created by Andres Serrano.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Not Mapplethorpe.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:59:02am

I just hate state lotteries. Have stopped for a coke at convenience stores and been in long lines behind people buying 20.00/50.00 worth of tickets. None of of the people who, from appearance, are able to afford to do such a thing.

People who could seem to afford to spend money on these types of things are at the same store, buying gas, or a coke...but no lottery tickets.

Totally support anyones right to play the lottery. But am sad for the ones who are so desperate that they feel that they have to take the shot. And I am even sadder that my government feels that they should take advantage of those people.

538 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:59:12am

re: #533 shanec99

That government derives its authority because those who are governed consent to those who govern them.

What a wonderful concept and a brilliant underpinning to a document that governs the behavior in a complex society.

Our fathers were geniuses.

What I especially love is its LOGIC. It clearly explains WHY we were declaring independence--the king's offenses and how we tried to handle the situation short of declaring independence. We didn't whine about being "oppressed." As a matter of fact, the document suggests (admittedly probably for effect) that had our grievances been addressed, we would have remained subjects of the crown.

539 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:59:29am

re: #534 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning goddess! I am up early today, the rosy fingers of dawn have yet to appear through the fog.

540 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 4:59:36am

re: #533 shanec99

That government derives its authority because those who are governed consent to those who govern them.

What a wonderful concept and a brilliant underpinning to a document that governs the behavior in a complex society.

Our fathers were geniuses.

Can you EVEN imagine our current government/leaders coming up with such wonderful guidelines/documents/laws as did our founding fathers?

541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:00:30am

re: #539 rawmuse

Good morning goddess! I am up early today, the rosy fingers of dawn have yet to appear through the fog.

Yeah, the one morning I could sleep late....

542 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:01:28am

re: #536 RedPepper

Actually, the piece "Piss Christ" was created by Andres Serrano.

What is the post-modern artists' obsession with depicting Christ covered in wee-wee and the Holy Virgin Mary in elephant dung?

Someone didn't take potty training well.

543 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:01:35am

re: #540 gettinby

Can you EVEN imagine our current government/leaders coming up with such wonderful guidelines/documents/laws as did our founding fathers?

To the contrary, almost every new law has been designed to keep the incumbents in power, sadly, even a terrible law that bears the name of McCain.

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:02:12am

re: #540 gettinby

Can you EVEN imagine our current government/leaders coming up with such wonderful guidelines/documents/laws as did our founding fathers?

Yeah, but Jefferson was a helluva wordsmithy SOB wasn't he? Everytime I read anything he has written, have to read it five times to figure out what the hell he is saying.

545 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:02:55am

re: #541 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sleeping late is something I grew out of. Now, I enjoy mornings.

546 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:03:47am

re: #543 rawmuse

To the contrary, almost every new law has been designed to keep the incumbents in power, sadly, even a terrible law that bears the name of McCain.

In fairness (not to McCain, but in general), whilst conceiving a nation from nothingness is a wonder of the ages, it's always easier to set guidelines than to actually follow up on them.

Their brilliance was that no matter how screwed up we are, this nation still WORKS and beautifully.

547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:03:52am

re: #545 rawmuse

I didn't drink anything last night either.

548 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:04:06am

re: #540 gettinby

Can you EVEN imagine our current government/leaders coming up with such wonderful guidelines/documents/laws as did our founding fathers?

Never...especially when you consider how the Founders closed it:

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

Divine Providence? Yeah, the libs will line up for that.

Pledge our lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor? Surely they meant that to apply to the wretched refuse and not the signers.

Can you see Harry Reid and co. putting their lives and fortune on the line? Any of them, actually.

549 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:05:17am

re: #540 gettinby

Can you EVEN imagine our current government/leaders coming up with such wonderful guidelines/documents/laws as did our founding fathers?


Nope they would come up with something like this:

We damand CHANGE, because we believe a NEW government must be established to provide for the lazy and while villyfying those who would SACRIFICE for the preservation of the nation.

550 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:06:35am

re: #548 jcbunga

Never...especially when you consider how the Founders closed it:

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

Divine Providence? Yeah, the libs will line up for that.

Pledge our lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor? Surely they meant that to apply to the wretched refuse and not the signers.

Can you see Harry Reid and co. putting their lives and fortune on the line? Any of them, actually.

When I taught American lit, we studied the Declaration and compared it to some of its prior drafts. When I read out that last sentence, I actually got tears in my eyes.

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:06:44am

Good Morning Goddess! (sing-songy classroom style)

552 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:07:11am

re: #542 vbspurs

Or perhaps, it's something like this:

“The nineteenth-century dislike of Realism is the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in the mirror.”

“The nineteenth-century dislike of Romanticism is the rage of Caliban not seeing his own face in the mirror.”

~ Oscar Wilde

553 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:08:04am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My last drink was many years ago. No regrets. I don't miss pulling that spike out of my skull every morning.

554 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:08:16am

re: #542 vbspurs

What is the post-modern artists' obsession with depicting Christ covered in wee-wee and the Holy Virgin Mary in elephant dung?

Someone didn't take potty training well.

Serrano created it, but Mapplethorpe photographed and displayed it.

In 1989, Robert Mapplethorpe and Andres Serrano unveiled a photo of a crucifix immersed in Serrano's urine (Raschke 175). Entitled Piss Christ, the exhibit generated a flurry of objections from several Christian groups (175). Among one of the criticisms of the piece was that it represented "state subversion" of Christians' "fundamental beliefs" (175). This contention was reinforced by the fact that the National Endowment subsidized the work of Serrano and Mapplethorpe for the Arts (175). Avante-garde apologists retaliated, contending that "Piss Christ was nothing more than a vivid pronouncement of disgust with commercialized religion" (175). Yet, Professor of Religious Studies Carl A. Raschke has characterized this response as "a little bit disingenuous," especially for those astute percipients that understood "the mentality of the aesthetic terrorist" (175).
555 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:09:10am

re: #552 RedPepper

~ Oscar Wilde

Not for nothing do they say the Irish taught the English how to speak our language.

556 de La Valette  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:09:25am

522 gettinby, speaking of requirements - the whole BHO birth certificate issue seems to be heating up. I just read back in on the issue and am going to post some thoughts before I go to sleep and forget them. I will probably post them elsewhere - but if you guys on the overnight thread want to kick them around - here goes:

======

Israel Insider, Texas Darling, and Polarik seem to have destroyed any credibility that the image on the "Fight the Smears" website is derived from a genuine BHO COLB (Cert. of Live Birth).

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Since electronic images of a Hawaii COLB, regardless of provenance, are not valid identity documents, how do we go about finding a valid source document or a reference to one that predates the controversy, without the personal action of BHO?

1. Previously Presented?

We need to build a biographical list of events in BHO's life that would have required a COLB. Keeping in mind, the laws and policies in force at that time, whether or not records are likely to exist, and if those records are public information subject to FIOA requests.

a. Early childhood international travel
b. Private highschool
c. Application for SSN
d. Drivers License
e. Undergraduate application, student loan origination, summer jobs
f. Passport application
g. Illinois State Bar
h. Illinois State Legislature
i. Security Clearance and other Federal Paperwork

2. Standing?

Who has standing to demand production of a valid COLB?

It is my understanding that the primary process is to select a candidate subject to State and Party rules. Unless specifically enumerated in a State code that funds a Primary that the participants have the qualifications for the office they are seeking, you do not have to be a natural born citizen to be a primary candidate. Thus, no one has standing to challenge the primary results.

In my opinion, after the nominating convention, States would be obligating funds for the election and would have standing to demand proof.

After the election, who determines if he is qualified - the House of Representatives, is this by a majority vote? Could Speaker Pelosi provide means to verify his natural born citizenship status - a heartfelt promise, grandmother's affidavit, etc. - other than a valid COLB? (See Amendment 20, Section 3.)

3. Ballot rules and time line to change them

What are the ballot certifications in place today to ensure the candidates are qualified for the office that they seek?

Is there time for a Red State to change them, if none require the presentation of a valid document to an empowered State official? What is electoral value of states that require a valid document?

4. Effects

If the Republicans make a stink and he produces a valid COLB, they look like idiots and racists?

If he cannot produce a valid COLB when compelled prior to the convention - will the Democratic Super-delegates flip?

After the election, a Pelosi House qualifies him without a valid COLB, and another election goes to the Supreme Court.

5. Speculation
Earlier this year in a television interview JMcC had some curious comments when questioned about BHO's qualifications in terms of experience to be President, his response was that "BHO was qualified" to seek the presidency. At the time it sounded like a back-handed compliment, as in "sure he's qualified, he is a 35 year old US citizen, but ..." Was there more to this? Is this an issue the RNC has addressed quietly?

My guess is that his counter-culture Mom just didn't apply for one and BHO never needed one until now. The provision of a late certificate would raise issues he doesn't want to address. After the election, mea culpa ...

Did he use Kenyan or Indonesian identify documents at some point?

Did someone in Cook County gin up a fake one for him at some point, or "overlook" his lack of a certificate?

Or, with a real tinfoil hat, does Soros know this and is backing BHO to create another scandal that diminishes the Office of the President.

557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:09:33am

re: #550 goddessoftheclassroom

I guess if I had paid more attention in American Lit, the writings of Jefferson and our other Founding Fathers would be easier to read. Can't read Hawthorne either. Oddly, I get Poe.

558 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:10:50am

re: #554 shanec99

And how many people were killed to avenge this Christian desecration?

0.

The only casualty was human decency.

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:11:01am

re: #553 rawmuse

Smug summuvabish...

560 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:11:14am

I read the Federalist Papers about 5 years ago. It is worth study, as it shows all the ideas that led up to the US Constitution.

561 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:12:06am

re: #559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smug summuvabish...

Can't take the punishment anymore :)

562 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:12:27am

re: #536 RedPepper

Actually, the piece "Piss Christ" was created by Andres Serrano.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Not Mapplethorpe.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Please note I said displayed, not created. Maplethorpe was the big name who drew attention to the piece, not Serrano.

Also, if you forgive me I try to avoid using wikipedia as a source to support my arguments.

563 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:12:37am

re: #558 vbspurs

And how many people were killed to avenge this Christian desecration?

0.

The only casualty was human decency.

Excellent point.

Perhaps if it had been depicted in a cartoon...

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:13:43am

Google and Yahoo both have good logo designs for today...prefer Yahoos'. Googles', a little arty, but still nice.

565 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:14:37am

re: #558 vbspurs

And how many people were killed to avenge this Christian desecration?

0.

The only casualty was human decency.

Darling you are brilliant.
The only thing that I remember people calling for was defunding the National Endowment for the Arts.

There was no car-be-cues, fatwas or beheading.

566 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:15:18am

re: #557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess if I had paid more attention in American Lit, the writings of Jefferson and our other Founding Fathers would be easier to read. Can't read Hawthorne either. Oddly, I get Poe.

I TEACH my kids how to read that 19th century (and earlier) style. It's much "slower" than they like, but when they take the time, they get it. I think it's important to do some close readings in class to help.

567 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:15:19am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Google and Yahoo both have good logo designs for today...prefer Yahoos'. Googles', a little arty, but still nice.

Google's looks rehashed. I swear I've seen that one before.

568 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:15:27am

re: #554 shanec99

Thanks for that information. I was unaware of Mapplethorpe's involvement.

569 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:16:16am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Google and Yahoo both have good logo designs for today...prefer Yahoos'. Googles', a little arty, but still nice.

Google has something? Wow. Maybe they felt the heat.

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:16:25am

re: #567 vbspurs

Still nice tho.

571 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:18:31am

re: #567 vbspurs

Google's looks rehashed. I swear I've seen that one before.

It wouldn't shock and awe me if Google had something subliminal in there someplace.....like the cover of the Little Mermaid box...or the Sgt. Pepper album cover..heh heh

572 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:19:02am

re: #554 shanec99

They will try to offend Christians at every opportunity, but they are basically cowards...
I bet none of them ever does a painting of a 40 y0 man having sex with a 9 year old girl and call it Mohammed, even tough this is what Mohammed actually did.

They will lie and abuse Christianity but will not tell the truth about Islam.

573 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:19:04am

re: #567 vbspurs

Google's looks rehashed. I swear I've seen that one before.

Not a flag in sight.

574 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:20:09am

re: #565 shanec99

There was no car-be-cues, fatwas or beheading.

My best friend at school had a teddy bear called Jesus Snot. When our Headmistress heard about it, she called in my chum to her office, and sat her down. In measured tones, she reasoned with her.

"This is a Christian school. You can't call him that without causing offense, you must know that. Tell you what -- call him whatever you want outside, but change his name inside our school walls. One can't say fairer than that, can one?".

My friend agreed, and re-christened him Jimmy Snot.

Had he been called Mohammed Snot, the entire school would've been burnt to the ground. This is what is missing in those cultures. A strong but fair and SANE person laying down the law.

/apologies for tangential, slightly longwinded anecdote

575 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:20:25am

re: #568 RedPepper

You are welcome.

576 eaglewingz08  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:21:05am

A happy and glorious Independence Day for all, and especially to the hostages freed by Pres Uribe and Columbia with a little help from his friends.
Amazing Google actually has red white and blue fireworks in its logo. I guess pressure from the VWRC has actually had some effect on these antiamerican turds. Or maybe they took their cue on patriotism from their obamessiah? (Maybe they are dispirited by the release of the captives from FARC nightmare?) Whatever the cause, we hope it is the start of something big. It's never too late for them to grow up.

As for more Independence Day news, the Obamanation appears to be declaring independence from his long held positions every day. Allahpundit and Charles Krauthammer look at the warp speed conversions and contortions of the Obamanation. Which conversions lead one to the only possible conclusion that there is no there there. One could call the Obamanation a sellout, but that requires one to believe that he is actually on board with someone else, which is uncertain to say the least. At best he is a Judas, selling out whatever principles he claimed for thirty pieces of silver.
While I would celebrate the Obamanation's taking more rational policies now, the fact is that there is little to believe that these new positions would not be thrown under the bus at the first opportunity, i.e. upon his swearing in. Thus he still remains the most cypheric candidate ever to achieve a major party nomination. (Will he achieve it, will delegates pledged to him actually vote for him at the convention, should he continue his lib heresies? Stay tuned!)

577 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:22:06am
As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
Thomas Jefferson

And today we get...

(paraphrasing) "Sure, no problem. We'll discuss all things without conditions on our enemies. Hell, we'll even give them something. Let's see here. What shall we give them? I know, I know! Let's give them our classified SECRETS. Yeah, that's it. Our new secret weapons and defense systems information in their hands should stop all of this nonsense of being our enemy."

/I have a simple brain, but I can perceive that many of our citizens and leaders have lost their friggen minds.

578 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:22:52am

Heh. Here's what the Colombians did to one of the FARC hostage keepers. The article is in Spanish, but you don't have to read it to understand it what happened.

579 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:23:26am

morning...cat on lap; has one hand, thus must type with other.

580 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:23:44am

re: #574 vbspurs

Interesting... I don't know that I would have made a fuss with the kid... I would just have asked his parents if they were aware of what he was doing and left it at that.

I think we should leave managing a child's behavior to the parents except in the most egregious situations.

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:25:15am

re: #579 vxbush

I CAN HAZ CATZ!

582 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:27:12am

re: #578 rawmuse

Heh. Here's what the Colombians did to one of the FARC hostage keepers. The article is in Spanish, but you don't have to read it to understand it what happened.

Is that the same one that was stripped naked and tied up on the floor of the helicopter?

583 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:28:00am

re: #580 shanec99

Interesting... I don't know that I would have made a fuss with the kid... I would just have asked his parents if they were aware of what he was doing and left it at that.

I think we should leave managing a child's behavior to the parents except in the most egregious situations.

Well, forgot to mention it was a boarding school. Parents were called only in the most extreme of situations. I'm guessing this was seen as eccentricity and not worthy of worrying parents. :)

584 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:28:36am

re: #581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I CAN HAZ CATZ!

heh. actually going through all--yes, all--the pictures at i can has cheezburger. wonderful.

585 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:30:16am

re: #542 vbspurs

re: #542 vbspurs

What is the post-modern artists' obsession with depicting Christ covered in wee-wee and the Holy Virgin Mary in elephant dung?

Someone didn't take potty training well.


What do you expect of people who substitute their left hands for toilet paper while defecating?

586 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:30:54am

Ah. She jumped down. Now I can stop with the e.e. cummings speech.

587 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:31:24am
588 irish rose  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:31:27am

Good morning all you lovely folks, happy July 4th!

589 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:31:45am

re: #583 vbspurs

Well, forgot to mention it was a boarding school. Parents were called only in the most extreme of situations. I'm guessing this was seen as eccentricity and not worthy of worrying parents. :)

OK I understand... having attended boarding school from age 11 - 18.
Teachers played an important role in adressing morality.

590 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:32:56am

re: #582 MandyManners

I think so. My Spanish is OK, but this article loses me a couple places. Looks like they dispensed some summary justice on the spot.

I think this FARC hostage rescue was fucking BRILLIANT! I have been reading everything I could get my hands on. Those assholes took a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE hostage for 6 years!

At SFGATE all the usual hard left commie asshats were posting desultory posts about the CIA, imperialist USA, blah, blah... I am so weary of commies. Even more than Islamists.

591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:34:08am

re: #588 irish rose

Hiya Rose! Happy "F* You to the King" Day!

592 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:36:07am
593 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:37:13am

Okay, I love these "invisible" series:

Invisible hula-hoop.

/gee, is VX a little fixated

594 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:37:33am

re: #590 rawmuse

I think so. My Spanish is OK, but this article loses me a couple places. Looks like they dispensed some summary justice on the spot.

I think this FARC hostage rescue was fucking BRILLIANT! I have been reading everything I could get my hands on. Those assholes took a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE hostage for 6 years!

At SFGATE all the usual hard left commie asshats were posting desultory posts about the CIA, imperialist USA, blah, blah... I am so weary of commies. Even more than Islamists.

What? They wanted those people to stay captive? Oh, wait. Some were military contractors therefore not human.

595 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:38:06am

re: #590 rawmuse

I think this FARC hostage rescue was fucking BRILLIANT! I have been reading everything I could get my hands on.

I'm seriously hoping this will be a HUGE Hollywood blockbuster one day...I know, don't hold my breath.

Those assholes took a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE hostage for 6 years!

All the Presidential candidates that year, were invited to a meeting to initiate "dialogue" with the FARC. All but one candidate went to the meeting...eventual President Alvaro Uribe.

Ingrid Betancourt, the one you mention, stayed on 2 days after the meeting, as a courtesy, to listen to them closer and with more respect. Talks broke down with the government, and she stayed their prisoner.

Goes to show what happens when you give genocidal lunatics a hand of peace.

/like some candidates in the US wish to...

596 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:39:25am

re: #590 rawmuse

Commies, Nazis and Islamists are natural allies and are a threat to all democratic nations.

They believe in world domination (see Nazism, the Ottoman Turks), they ignore the will of the people (see the murder of people who chose to leave Islam) if it does not coincide with the elite's doctrine and they enthusiastically murder the opposition (see Tienanmen square).

597 irish rose  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:44:46am

re: #591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Rose! Happy "F* You to the King" Day!

Heh.

598 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:45:27am

re: #572 shanec99

They will try to offend Christians at every opportunity, but they are basically cowards...
I bet none of them ever does a painting of a 40 y0 man having sex with a 9 year old girl and call it Mohammed, even tough this is what Mohammed actually did.

They will lie and abuse Christianity but will not tell the truth about Islam.

How about this , maybe?

599 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:47:25am

re: #598 RedPepper

How about this , maybe?

Holy crap...I hope nothing happens to Mike S. Adams. Others were hounded and killed for less. :(

600 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:49:40am

re: #584 vxbush

heh. actually going through all--yes, all--the pictures at i can has cheezburger. wonderful.

That's a daily ritual for me!

601 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #596 shanec99

I know. I am surrounded by all varieties of the Left. I have made a life's study of them. Not as well documented as Zombie, but a study nonetheless.

602 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:50:50am

re: #600 goddessoftheclassroom

That's a daily ritual for me!

Well, once I view them all, I can just see the new ones each day. But I have a lot of catching up to do.

603 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:51:32am

re: #593 vxbush

Okay, I love these "invisible" series:

Invisible hula-hoop.

/gee, is VX a little fixated

I'm right there with you!

I having a running joke with pre-Boomer Marine Brat (he's a dog, I'm a cat), and I enjoy posting the relevant ICHC pics!

604 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:53:13am

Good morning all, and Happy Independence Day!

605 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:54:07am

re: #573 MandyManners

They got the red, white, and blue though. At least this year they got something up. I don't think it's a rehash of prior art.

Still, if you want something more uplifting, might I suggest this. Let's not forget what this day is about, even if Google can't quite manage to go all the way on it.

606 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:55:28am
607 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:56:00am

re: #595 vbspurs

The hostage rescue was indeed brilliant, but it wasn't possible without the capture of the FARC laptop, lots of work by US and Colombian intel, and countless hours trying to track down these terrorists.

It shows what a lot of preparation and planning can do - and I'd suggest that it was on par with the Entebbe raid for sheer audacity and success.

608 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:57:13am

re: #606 vxbush

Goddess:

We've replaced John's phone bill with...

I remember that one! It's always the expressions on the cat's face that gets me!

This is my own humble offering, but it didn't get chosen for the main pages:

[Link: images.icanhascheezburger.com...]

609 Karridine  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:57:41am

re: #548 jcbunga

JC Bunga, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." I've a good place in my heart, especially as my forefather SIGNED that document, Bunga...

Anonymity forfends naming which state, but the guy ended up LOSING dang near everything in the War of Independence, except his life and honor!

The Declaration MEANS something to some Americans...

610 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:58:06am

re: #607 lawhawk

The hostage rescue was indeed brilliant, but it wasn't possible without the capture of the FARC laptop, lots of work by US and Colombian intel, and countless hours trying to track down these terrorists.

It shows what a lot of preparation and planning can do - and I'd suggest that it was on par with the Entebbe raid for sheer audacity and success.

/and the New York Times not knowing anything about it in advance.

611 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:58:16am

re: #608 goddessoftheclassroom

I remember that one! It's always the expressions on the cat's face that gets me!

This is my own humble offering, but it didn't get chosen for the main pages:

[Link: images.icanhascheezburger.com...]

Heh. I'm going to have to work on this, see if I can get the right feel of lol and englizh and snark to make a picture to post.

612 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:58:29am

re: #607 lawhawk

It shows what a lot of preparation and planning can do - and I'd suggest that it was on par with the Entebbe raid for sheer audacity and success.

It's funny (in fact, brilliant) that you mention that since I was going to make an allusion to Israelis taking Eichmann to Israel from an Argentinian side-street.

Meanwhile, Carter couldn't even get a helicopter to fly...

613 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:58:57am

Greetings & Salutations Lizards. Happy 4th of July!
I hope that all of the carnivores have some quality dead animal for the grill & that the vegans etc. have a spledid salad or whatever.
Have some refreshing adult beverages, enjoy the fireworks & God Bless America!

614 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 5:59:22am

re: #613 opnion

Adult beverage --- mmmmm.

Is it too early to start?

615 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:00:01am

re: #593 vxbush

Okay, I love these "invisible" series:

Invisible hula-hoop.

/gee, is VX a little fixated

Oh I love those too. My favorite.....


invisible window installation

616 Karridine  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:00:34am

re: #613 opnion

One of my best Fourth of July's ever was when it snowed at my duty station on the Korean DMZ...

/stuff like that helped us appreciate America...

617 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:00:40am

re: #613 opnion

Greetings & Salutations Lizards. Happy 4th of July!
I hope that all of the carnivores have some quality dead animal for the grill & that the vegans etc. have a spledid salad or whatever.
Have some refreshing adult beverages, enjoy the fireworks & God Bless America!

Done, done, done and done...especially the God Bless America part!

618 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:00:54am

re: #598 RedPepper

How about this , maybe?


Brilliant, absolutely brilliant, except I would rather the expected protesters be arrested for vandalism rather than killed. If we arrest them perhaps we can change their mind from adhering to a religion that was founded by a middle aged epileptic man who had sex with a 9 year old girl.

619 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:01:20am

re: #573 MandyManners

Ask.com has the Declaration of Independence, but no flag. It's about the spirit of the day.

Yahoo has an animated logo with fireworks and flag. Pretty cool actually.

620 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:01:48am

re: #614 Lucius Septimius

Adult beverage --- mmmmm.

Is it too early to start?

Of course it is not to early for adult beverages. We're Americans Damn it!
Ah, what time is it where you are? Could be a little early.

621 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:01:59am

re: #611 vxbush

Oh that's great!

622 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:02:01am

re: #615 Perry

Oh I love those too. My favorite.....


invisible window installation

It's a little early for this, but these are also fun.

623 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:02:18am

re: #612 vbspurs

Well, this is the 32nd anniversary of the Entebbe mission.

624 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:02:44am

re: #614 Lucius Septimius

Adult beverage --- mmmmm.

Is it too early to start?

It's five o'clock somewhere.

Good morning all. Just a drive by this morning.

Happy 4th!

625 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:02:44am

re: #612 vbspurs

Meanwhile, Carter couldn't even get a helicopter to fly...

Jimmy Carter must be in ecstacy.

After years of being considered the worst President in a hundred years, there's a real chance that someone could actually top his record ...

626 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:02:57am

re: #620 opnion

O-nine-hundred.

627 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:03:30am

re: #616 Karridine

One of my best Fourth of July's ever was when it snowed at my duty station on the Korean DMZ...

/stuff like that helped us appreciate America...

All you have to do is spend an extended time away from the U.S to develop a true appreciation for being here.
Thank you for your service.

628 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:03:43am

re: #625 RedPepper

Jimmy Carter must be in ecstacy.

After years of being considered the worst President in a hundred years, there's a real chance that someone could actually top his record ...

That's like James Taranto's comment that the reason McGovern is supporting Obama is because the latter has a chance for an even worse showing in the polls.

629 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:03:52am

re: #605 lawhawk

They got the red, white, and blue though. At least this year they got something up. I don't think it's a rehash of prior art.

Still, if you want something more uplifting, might I suggest this. Let's not forget what this day is about, even if Google can't quite manage to go all the way on it.

The colors of the fire-work's display are in the correct order so, I'll give them that, too.

630 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:04:00am
631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:04:25am

re: #623 lawhawk

Was Charles Bronson really there?

632 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:04:26am

re: #617 gettinby

Done, done, done and done...especially the God Bless America part!


Your Honor, I concur.

633 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:05:42am

re: #606 vxbush

Goddess:

We've replaced John's phone bill with...

ROFLMAO! That is hillarious.

634 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:05:43am

Dogpile didn't do anything for today.

I'm very surprised (and disappointed) because they are usually on top of acknowledging the important holidays.

635 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:06:15am

re: #618 shanec99

Hope springs eternal.

636 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:06:16am

re: #608 goddessoftheclassroom

I remember that one! It's always the expressions on the cat's face that gets me!

This is my own humble offering, but it didn't get chosen for the main pages:

[Link: images.icanhascheezburger.com...]

Precious!

637 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:06:41am

re: #634 gettinby

Dogpile didn't do anything for today.

Blogger has nothing (that I've seen anyway).

638 irish rose  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:06:43am

Am I only only person here who feels like a kid again when the sparklers come out and fireworks light up the sky? I LOVE the 4th.

Ah man, I feel the pull....

I have a lot to get done today before company comes and I'm not going to get any of it done if I start submerging myself in lizardom. It's almost 9am, and I need to practice some self discipline... dammit :).

Ya'll have a great day! Enjoy your picnics, barbeques and fireworks and remember: if you must combine alcohol and explosives, have a sober person light the fuses... they can run faster.

639 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:07:35am

re: #636 MandyManners

Precious!

Yep, that's a cat alright.

640 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:07:44am

re: #627 opnion

All you have to do is spend an extended time away from the U.S to develop a true appreciation for being here.
Thank you for your service.

First, I echo your thanks.

Second, your first statement is SO TRUE. I lived in England for a few years, and I'll never forget how my heart swelled with pride during the medal ceremonies of the Olympics in way I'd never previously experienced.

641 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:07:58am
642 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:08:55am
643 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:08:56am

re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perhaps, but I didn't think Yaphet Kotto was a meat eater...

644 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:08:57am

My favorite part of the prisoner rescue in Columbia is that some of the troops had on Che Tee shirts to help in the scam.
I wonder iif the helicopter had an "Obama 08", bumper sticker?
Probably should'nt have said that.

645 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:09:00am

re: #619 lawhawk

Ask.com has the Declaration of Independence, but no flag. It's about the spirit of the day.

Yahoo has an animated logo with fireworks and flag. Pretty cool actually.

I prefer ask.com's.

646 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:09:16am

re: #630 vxbush

Shall we dance?

I had missed that one--THANKS!

647 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:10:18am

re: #640 goddessoftheclassroom

First, I echo your thanks.

Second, your first statement is SO TRUE. I lived in England for a few years, and I'll never forget how my heart swelled with pride during the medal ceremonies of the Olympics in way I'd never previously experienced.

Thirded -- having spent a bunch of time in Germany over the years really helped me appreciate just how special America is.

(trivia -- do you know that in Germany it's illegal for me to use my America academic title, because they ONLY recognize academic titles from German universities. So I can present myself as having a PhD, but I cannot call myself "Herr Doktor Professor" without running afoul of their insane laws.)

648 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:10:28am

re: #640 goddessoftheclassroom

First, I echo your thanks.

Second, your first statement is SO TRUE. I lived in England for a few years, and I'll never forget how my heart swelled with pride during the medal ceremonies of the Olympics in way I'd never previously experienced.


What you said.

649 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:10:42am

re: #644 opnion

My favorite part of the prisoner rescue in Columbia is that some of the troops had on Che Tee shirts to help in the scam.
I wonder iif the helicopter had an "Obama 08", bumper sticker?
Probably should'nt have said that.

Ron Paul.

650 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:02am

re: #639 Lucius Septimius

Yep, that's a cat alright.

{Lucius Septimus}

She's my Ranking Pet at 15. She is quite the grande dame in every sense of the word.

651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:12am

re: #644 opnion

BWAfreakin'HAHAHA! Great!

652 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:39am

re: #625 RedPepper

Jimmy Carter must be in ecstacy.

After years of being considered the worst President in a hundred years, there's a real chance that someone could actually top his record ...

Worst than Carter... surely you jest.

Lets see during Carter's administration we had American taken hostage by Islamic terrorists and the beginnings of widespread Islamic terrorism. We had the establishment of Islamic terrorists states that aggressively exported the totalitarian ideology.

Under the current administration the halting of attacks on American targets in America, and the aggressive prosecution of terrorists, the dismantling of their sources of funding, and steps to begin to systematically elimination terrorist havens over the world.

The Carter fans are loonies.

653 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:44am

re: #649 Lucius Septimius

Ron Paul.


"The only man that can save America."

654 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:49am

How are you spending your Independence Day. I know how these men and women did. They reenlisted in the largest ceremony of its kind ever. In Iraq.

655 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:11:51am
656 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:12:08am

re: #650 goddessoftheclassroom

{Lucius Septimus}

She's my Ranking Pet at 15. She is quite the grande dame in every sense of the word.

My fat black and white kitty is a definitely Mr. Snuggles, though he has a bad case of cupboard love.

657 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:12:12am

re: #644 opnion


I wonder if the helicopter had an "Obama 08" bumper sticker?
Probably should'nt have said that.

Now, opnion, don't sugar-coat it like that!

Tell us how you really feel!

658 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:12:31am

re: #653 opnion

"The only man that can save America."

Exactly!

659 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:13:02am

re: #638 irish rose

Ya'll have a great day! Enjoy your picnics, barbeques and fireworks and remember: if you must combine alcohol and explosives, have a sober person light the fuses... they can run faster.

Last words... LOL

Have a great day Irish Rose! Good to esee you!

660 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:13:22am

Goddess:

Apostrophe cat

661 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:13:29am

re: #652 shanec99

I think RedPepper was referring to the possible forthcoming coronation consecration, election of President Obama. ;)

662 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:13:35am

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BWAfreakin'HAHAHA! Great!

Why, thank you & I hope that you have a great 4th planned.

663 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:14:34am

re: #657 RedPepper

Now, opnion, don't sugar-coat it like that!

Tell us how you really feel!


I know, that was kinda subtle.

664 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:15:33am

re: #652 shanec99

Worst than Carter... surely you jest.

I've got three words for you, shanec99.

Yes, he can !

665 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:15:39am

re: #644 opnion

My favorite part of the prisoner rescue in Columbia is that some of the troops had on Che Tee shirts to help in the scam.
I wonder iif the helicopter had an "Obama 08", bumper sticker?
Probably should'nt have said that.

Schweet. You gotta love this country.

666 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:15:40am

re: #656 Lucius Septimius

My fat black and white kitty is a definitely Mr. Snuggles, though he has a bad case of cupboard love.

I must confess that at kitty treat time, she pushes to the front of the line (I have two others). I call her a pig in a cat suit...

667 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:16:03am

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Holding truths to be self-evident kicks ass.

I find that statement a bit a priori myself.

Some things ought to be rebelled against.

668 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:17:13am

re: #660 vxbush

Goddess:

Apostrophe cat

You are too good to me! I've just had a class room decorating idea: I'm going to print these and put them up around my room.

669 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:17:27am

re: #666 goddessoftheclassroom

Otto the cat licks the left over yoghurt from my bowl in the morning after I finish breakfast -- that's his treat. That and the occasional bit of tuna. Mostly he stuffs his face with dry food and gets all paranoid if he can see the bottom of the bowl.

670 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:18:31am

Well good morning all y'all from a warm (74 degrees, going up too 93 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

Happy Independence Day to you all!

671 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:19:12am

Lizards, enjoy your Independence Day !

/bbl ...

672 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:19:23am

re: #670 realwest

Well good morning all y'all from a warm (74 degrees, going up too 93 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

Happy Independence Day to you all!


Right back at ya.

673 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:19:24am

re: #670 realwest

Good morning, and a Happy Independence Day to you, Mr. Real.

674 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #670 realwest

Well good morning all y'all from a warm (74 degrees, going up too 93 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

Happy Independence Day to you all!

{realwest}! Good morning!

675 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:19:53am

re: #668 goddessoftheclassroom

You are too good to me! I've just had a class room decorating idea: I'm going to print these and put them up around my room.

Most excellent! I'm just having fun looking at all these. Makes me smile, big time.

676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:20:18am

re: #662 opnion

Invited to two celebrations...one family/one best friend.

Friend lives a mile from me. Family is 85 miles away...

4.00 per gallon...i have to work tomorrow...hmmm...let's see...

677 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:20:45am

re: #661 vbspurs

I think RedPepper was referring to the possible forthcoming coronation consecration, election of President Obama. ;)

There is no way Obama can be worse than Carter, no way. He may come close, but he cant be worse.

A President who allows American diplomats to be seized and held hostage by a bunch of thugs without a response cannot possibly be outdone without murdering her citizens.

We are a nation who value liberty, and our government allowed her representative to be denied liberty without a response.

The only thing that could be worse than the loss of liberty would be a useless loss of life.

As inept as an Obama administration will be I don't believe that it will squander the lives of Americans.

678 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:21:05am

re: #670 {realwest}

To you, too! ! !

679 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:00am

re: #664 RedPepper

I've got three words for you, shanec99.

Yes, he can !

What can he do that is worse than Carter's inaction as our people lost their liberty while being held hostages?

680 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:09am

re: #676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

4.00 per gallon...i have to work tomorrow...hmmm...let's see...

If you're taking opinions, FBV, I'd say that Thanksgiving is the one you reserve strictly for the family. The Fourth is for all. :)

BTW, it's 4.96 (Premium) where I am. You're lucky.

681 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:10am

re: #677 shanec99

My personal opinion?

Best not to find out.

682 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:19am

re: #676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Invited to two celebrations...one family/one best friend.

Friend lives a mile from me. Family is 85 miles away...

4.00 per gallon...i have to work tomorrow...hmmm...let's see...

Hmmm, thats really a toughone. Glad that I don't have your decision.
One mile or eighty five miles? Good luck with that.

683 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:22am

re: #672 opnion Thank you my friend! This is, other than Christmas, my most favorite holiday of them all - it gave me such great pleasure to raise Old Glory this morning and just as she went up, a gentle breeze started to blow, unfolding her curls and with her sticking straight out in the air!
I couldn't help but think of all that went into our right to raise that flag, and I also couldn't help but think my God, that's a beautiful flag!

684 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:23am

Morning Lizards!

Happy Independence Day to our American friends!

685 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:22:24am

re: #668 goddessoftheclassroom

Heh. For near the door.

686 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:23:12am

re: #677 shanec99

As inept as an Obama administration will be I don't believe that it will squander the lives of Americans.

I wouldn't be too sure of that -- I can see him doing the same thing as Clinton, getting us involved in pointless foreign adventures where there is no particular aim and where we go in half-heartedly and leave accomplishing nothing. A dozen Somalias.

687 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:23:23am

re: #681 gettinby

My personal opinion?

Best not to find out.

My sentiments too.

688 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:23:28am

re: #673 Lucius Septimius Good Morning Herr Docktor (screw the Germans if they don't like it!) and a
Happy Independence Day to you, too!

689 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:23:56am
690 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:24:03am

re: #679 shanec99

What can he do that is worse than Carter's inaction as our people lost their liberty while being held hostages?

More of the same, and also standing by with his elitist nuanced fingers up his cultured and suave butt while our allies are butchered.

691 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:24:38am

re: #674 goddessoftheclassroom Well {goddess} good morning back atcha! How are you doing today?
IIRC, you were a little "under the weather" yesterday and I sure hope you're feeling well today!

692 yochanan  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:24:51am

re: #669 Lucius Septimius

miz kitty like to get between me and the computer screen but only when i am on the computer.

if the bowl gets m-t she has been known to bite.

cat must think
GOOD STAFF IS HARD TO FIND

693 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:25:18am

re: #677 shanec99

There is no way Obama can be worse than Carter, no way. He may come close, but he cant be worse.

For all his (very real) faults, Carter genuinely thought he was doing well by America, and being Christ-like in his actions (loving thine enemy, turning the other cheek, etc.). He was inept.

But Obama to ME seems treacherous. He has no love for America, that I can discern.

694 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:25:28am

re: #664 RedPepper

I've got three words for you, shanec99.

Yes, he can !

I think that Obama would be a train wreck of epic proportions.
As bad as Carter was & remains, I have full confidence that Barry can clear the bar as the worst president ever.

695 mama winger  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:25:36am

LETTERS FROM HOME - thoughts from a military mom on this Fourth of July .....

Dear Lord in Heaven,

Please watch over the ones that fight on our behalf today. They are so far from the Land of Liberty, and yet their task is to protect us who enjoy Liberty's blessings. We reap the benefits - they pay the price.

Today, they are hot and tired, and can't grab a cold beer. They can't go to the family cookout. They can't get watch the ballgame. They can't take their kids to the parade.

They are our own. We love them. But not as much as You do.

So will you watch over them for us today?

Please protect the ones who protect our land.

In the name of the God of might and mercy.

Amen.

696 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:25:55am

re: #678 gettinby
Hey {gettinby} thank you kindly! Hope you are well today!

697 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:26:18am
698 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:26:42am

re: #692 yochanan


cat must think
GOOD STAFF IS HARD TO FIND

Sometimes I think if I'm really good, perhaps I can come back as one of my own cats.

699 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:27:20am

re: #698 Lucius Septimius

Sometimes I think if I'm really good, perhaps I can come back as one of my own cats.

Heh. I'm pretty sure my job when I get to heaven is going to be cat herder.

700 cybermonk  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:27:37am

An alternative to Gitmo

This man knew how to deal with enemy combatants. The Geneva Convention makes allowances for this type of warfare. Especially with non uniformed combatants.

701 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:27:51am

re: #695 mama winger
Amen {mama} Amen.

702 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:27:52am

re: #695 mama winger

{mama}

703 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:28:04am

re: #695 mama winger

Amen

(You are such a good person. That was a wonderful post.)

704 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:28:12am

re: #683 realwest

Thank you my friend! This is, other than Christmas, my most favorite holiday of them all - it gave me such great pleasure to raise Old Glory this morning and just as she went up, a gentle breeze started to blow, unfolding her curls and with her sticking straight out in the air!
I couldn't help but think of all that went into our right to raise that flag, and I also couldn't help but think my God, that's a beautiful flag!

Real, that is a terrific sentiment. I had the same feeling putting up the flag this morning.
We are all so fortunate to be in this country & we sometimes I think take things a little for granted, but not today. Enjoy!

705 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:28:42am

re: #695 mama winger

Amen.

706 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:29:08am

re: #695 mama winger

Thank you for that. We should share our prayers more often.

707 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:29:21am

re: #699 vxbush
Good morning to you {vxbush}! How are you feeling on this fine Independence Day?

708 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:29:45am
709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:30:04am

re: #699 vxbush

Heh. I'm pretty sure my job when I get to heaven is going to be cat herder.

Uh...Vx? That ain't heaven.

710 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:30:43am

Happy Fourth of July to all my lizard friends. On the Fourth, I guess every town is small town America. The horses and floats are already forming up in front of the house, so it's about time to join my unit. I'll leave with a few lines from Listen to the People: Independence Day, 1941, by Stephen Vincent Benet:
There are the veterans and the Legion Post
(Their feet are going to hurt when they get home),
The band, the flag, the band, the usual crowd,
Good-humored, watching, hot,
Silent a second as the flag goes by,
Kidding the local cop and eating popsicles,
Jack Brown and Rosie Shapiro and Dan Shay,
Paul Bunchik and the Greek who runs the Greek's,
The black-eyed children out of Sicily,
The girls who giggle and the boys who push,
All of them there and all of them a nation.

711 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #696 realwest

Indeed, we are well. Howzabowt u? (ICHCspeak)

Living in gratitude right now for this great country of ours.

/later we shall live in sin as we inbibe and eat too much. LOL

712 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:31:17am

re: #695 mama winger

LETTERS FROM HOME - thoughts from a military mom on this Fourth of July .....

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Dear Lord in Heaven,

Please watch over the ones that fight on our behalf today. They are so far from the Land of Liberty, and yet their task is to protect us who enjoy Liberty's blessings. We reap the benefits - they pay the price.

Today, they are hot and tired, and can't grab a cold beer. They can't go to the family cookout. They can't get watch the ballgame. They can't take their kids to the parade.

They are our own. We love them. But not as much as You do.

So will you watch over them for us today?

Please protect the ones who protect our land.

In the name of the God of might and mercy.

Amen.

Hiya' mama! Thanks for sharing this.

713 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:31:20am

re: #693 vbspurs

For all his (very real) faults, Carter genuinely thought he was doing well by America, and being Christ-like in his actions (loving thine enemy, turning the other cheek, etc.). He was inept.

But Obama to ME seems treacherous. He has no love for America, that I can discern.


I take no pleasure in agreeing. Barry & Michelle are looking for payback on a society that the disapprove of & feel slighted by.

714 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:31:26am

re: #707 realwest

Good morning to you {vxbush}! How are you feeling on this fine Independence Day?

Oh, up too early again, as usual, but I've decided I'm going to have fun today going through the I Can Has Cheezburger website. It's silly, it's childish, but it really makes me smile. And I can use more smiles every day.

No big plans today; just hang out at home as a family, cook a big supper, and let the son stay up late. You can see the fireworks from our house from several different towns, so he always loves to watch them. And we stay nice and cool and misquito-free inside!

715 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:32:08am

re: #686 Lucius Septimius

The first Pres Bush sent the guys to Somalia, and I believe it was the right thing to do.

Ending starvation and human misery cannot be wrong. We are the city on the hill the people who helped to free the world from the specter on Nazi domination.

The mistake was when the Clinton administration came in and put our guys at a disadvantage by taking out the armor and relying on N forces (Pakistan) to provide the armor to rescue our guys when the chopper went down.

The Pakistanis simply refused to go out with the tanks and our guys went into fire in HUMMERS that had canvass sides to try to rescue the guys who were hurt.

The Clinton administration (specifically Secretary Les Aspen) simply had no idea regarding the implication to have a force in place that did not have the means of protecting itself, and we were relying on allies who were not as reliable as needed in a dangerous situation.

716 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:32:15am

re: #709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh...Vx? That ain't heaven.

Heh. It would be for me, especially if it includes lions, tigers, cheetahs, panthers....

/oh, the panthers....

717 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:33:00am

re: #695 mama winger

Mama Winger, I hope that you had agreat vacation!
Oh, did you watch any baseball, last weekend?

718 mich-again  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:33:27am

Don't forget to fly the colors today!

719 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:34:22am

re: #711 gettinby I'm doing fine as fresh spun cotton candy (h/t Mandy Manners) thank you kindly.
And what you descibed as eating and imbibing too much isn't a sin down here, though I hope no one drives a car or pilots a speedboat after having imbibed, so to speak!

720 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:34:36am

re: #714 vxbush

Had three fireworks displays we could see from the house. This is how my son and I watched them (he was five-eight when we lived at this particular house)

Far Right Fireworks.... OOOOH!
Far Left Fireworks..... AAAAH!
Middle Fireworks.... OohAahOohAahOohAah!

We'd laugh our butts off doing that.

Didn't say I was Francis Scott Key!

721 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:34:59am

re: #685 vxbush

Heh. For near the door.

Hey, my nic's blue. In case I'm away when you come across these gems, would you please send me the pic in a link? there's an "email it" button, the first in the line below the picture. Thanks!

I'm so glad to have a ICHC kindred spirit!

722 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:35:51am

re: #717 opnion

Mama Winger, I hope that you had agreat vacation!
Oh, did you watch any baseball, last weekend?

Speaking of which, how about MY Rays!?!?

/possibly the ONLY time in my lifetime that I'll be able to say that. Heh.

723 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:35:55am

re: #710 Pullus Iulius

There are the veterans and the Legion Post
(Their feet are going to hurt when they get home),
The band, the flag, the band, the usual crowd,
Good-humored, watching, hot,
Silent a second as the flag goes by,
Kidding the local cop and eating popsicles,
Jack Brown and Rosie Shapiro and Dan Shay,
Paul Bunchik and the Greek who runs the Greek's,
The black-eyed children out of Sicily,
The girls who giggle and the boys who push,
All of them there and all of them a nation.

Lovely. Thank you, and another thank you for your service!

All of them there and all of them a nation. I love that.

724 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:01am

re: #716 vxbush
What, no bears? Oh My!

725 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:18am
726 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:28am

re: #715 shanec99

Les Aspin is the sorriest motherfucker who ever held the position of Secretary of Defense.

727 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:51am

re: #689 vxbush

Hey, Charles, here's an idea.

That looks for all the world like my personal kitteh, Mayzie.

728 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:53am

re: #719 realwest

I'm doing fine as fresh spun cotton candy (h/t Mandy Manners) thank you kindly.
And what you descibed as eating and imbibing too much isn't a sin down here, though I hope no one drives a car or pilots a speedboat after having imbibed, so to speak!

There you go! Always taking the fun out of my plans. LOL

729 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:36:59am

re: #722 gettinby

Speaking of which, how about MY Rays!?!?

/possibly the ONLY time in my lifetime that I'll be able to say that. Heh.


They are the story this year going into the All Star break.
Clearly, not a fluke.

730 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:37:13am

re: #695 mama winger

{mama winger}

731 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:37:39am

re: #721 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, my nic's blue. In case I'm away when you come across these gems, would you please send me the pic in a link? there's an "email it" button, the first in the line below the picture. Thanks!

I'm so glad to have a ICHC kindred spirit!

Oh, I am happy to help.

732 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:38:02am

re: #726 MandyManners

Quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think...

733 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:38:25am

re: #724 realwest

What, no bears? Oh My!

Well, actually, they just don't have the pointed ears, you know? I have this thing for...well, there's a reason why Spock is my favorite.

734 Karridine  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:38:34am

re: #730 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, Mama!
Mama Winger!
She is sure
a real Zinger! :D

735 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:38:51am

re: #720 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had three fireworks displays we could see from the house. This is how my son and I watched them (he was five-eight when we lived at this particular house)

Far Right Fireworks.... OOOOH!
Far Left Fireworks..... AAAAH!
Middle Fireworks.... OohAahOohAahOohAah!

We'd laugh our butts off doing that.

Didn't say I was Francis Scott Key!

Oh yeah. We'll be doing that tonight, too.

736 Rickadams  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:39:15am

A salute to all men and woman who are serving, or who have served, in our armed forces. God bless you, one and all!

737 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #710 Pullus Iulius

I'm using that in my next Veterans Day program. THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this.

738 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:39:21am

re: #735 vxbush

Oh yeah. We'll be doing that tonight, too.

You do that too?

739 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:40:25am

re: #738 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You do that too?

My husband and I do. Well, not the "Oohahhoohahh" part, but the "oooooo.......aaaaaaaah........" and then we usually break up laughing.

740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:40:26am

BTW if anyone has Music Choice on their TV...Songs of the Seasons Channel is playing patriotic music all day.

741 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:41:38am

re: #740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Good morning to you and Happy Independence Day!
Um, what is Music Choice?!

742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:41:39am

Right now on Music Choice...Jeff Daniels reading the Gettysburg Address.

Chills.

743 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:42:17am

Time to get going -- lots to do.

Have a great Fourth, everyone. Let freedom ring!

744 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:42:29am
745 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:42:34am

re: #741 realwest

Music stations (like radio) on a lot of Cable/Satellite stations.

746 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:42:37am

re: #726 MandyManners

Les Aspin is the sorriest motherfucker who ever held the position of Secretary of Defense.

I don't know if he is the sorriest... but he must rank right up there with the worst of them.

What ever gave the Clintons the idea that a congress man with no military experience would make a good Sec DEf while Americans are at war?

In peace... perhaps, especially if the President is an ex military man perhaps, but if the President has no military experience, then his primary adviser on military matters must know about military affairs and have a good working relationship with the uniformed personnel.

747 Karridine  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:43:04am

re: #740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I downloaded ALL the FLV pieces of Ken Burns' "The Civil War", and Ive been studying THAT all week... Amazing, how CENTRAL to the American character that conflict is...

Real, painful, crucial ... to today's Americans, especially in light of this 'Black National Anthem' garbage and the Race-Baiter running around this election!

748 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:44:03am

Happy Independence Day!

God Bless our Troops and their Families, Past, Present and Future. ;-)

749 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:44:48am

re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right now on Music Choice...Jeff Daniels reading the Gettysburg Address.

Chills.

Where, where? Sounds of the Seaon has James Taylor at the moment.

750 vxbush  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:44:58am

Okay, we need a better caption for this one:

Mecca cat

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:45:27am

re: #749 vbspurs

Where, where? Sounds of the Seaon has James Taylor at the moment.

Duh...song is "The Fourth of July". Gettysburg Address is only 2 and a half minutes long.

752 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:45:35am

re: #748 'Nam Grunt

Happy Independence Day!

God Bless our Troops and their Families, Past, Present and Future. ;-)


and a plague on the houses of those who squander thier lives (like the Clintons did in Somalia) without improving the nation's security.

753 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:46:01am

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Duh...song is "The Fourth of July". Gettysburg Address is only 2 and a half minutes long.

Swing with me!

754 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:46:12am

Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy! Andrews Sisters! Wo0t!

755 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:47:13am

Freakin' Love American Music and Music About America!

756 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:47:16am

This is the best send-up of the Andrew Sisters I've ever seen (Morecambe & Wise from the UK).

757 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:47:30am

re: #732 Mich-again

Quit beating around the bush and tell us what you really think...

He's as guilty for our men's deaths as Aideed was.

I will never forget seeing the body being dragged through the street.

Gonna' stop now before I get worked up and say something mean.

758 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:47:30am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Happy 4th of July!

759 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:47:43am

re: #747 Karridine

I you have not seen "Glory" that movie is a must see.
It is an illuminated depiction of race relations, completely aside from the war, but including it.
Denzel Washington plays a malcontent, Morgan Freeman sets him straight.
The prayer scene the night before the battle is a tear jerker.
I have seen that movie dozens of times and I cry every time at that scene.
The score is also great.

760 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:48:06am

re: #750 vxbush

Okay, we need a better caption for this one:

Mecca cat

I don't know--I see it as a joke about how someone might look holy and devout while thinking of worldly things!

(I wish they could get a pic of a dog or a pig doing this...)

761 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:49:55am

re: #746 shanec99

I don't know if he is the sorriest... but he must rank right up there with the worst of them.

What ever gave the Clintons the idea that a congress man with no military experience would make a good Sec DEf while Americans are at war?

In peace... perhaps, especially if the President is an ex military man perhaps, but if the President has no military experience, then his primary adviser on military matters must know about military affairs and have a good working relationship with the uniformed personnel.

What other SecDef has left our men open to being killed because of a refusal to provide them with the means to protect themselves?

762 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:50:12am

re: #747 Karridine
Good, uh, evening? morning? whatever my friend!
What is FLV?
I've got a VCS set of that Ken Burns documentary and historian author Shelby Foote (RIP) had it right when he said "It's impossible to understand America or the American character without understanding the Civil War".
I thought that it was the most thorough examination of the Civil War, outside of a graduate school class room, that I've ever seen.

763 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:50:19am

re: #759 rawmuse

YES... that is a fantastic movie. It really highlights what the war was all about as well, in terms of race relations.

764 Perry  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:50:53am

re: #710 Pullus Iulius

More Benet---oh thank you!

"I remember a man named Abe Lincoln.
I remember the words he used to say."
Oh, we can call on Lincoln and Tom Paine,
Adams and Jefferson.
Call on the great words spoken that remain
Like the great stars of evening, the fixed stars,
But that is not enough.
The dead are mighty and are part of us
And yet the dead are dead.

This is our world,
Our time, our choice, our anguish, our decision.
This is our world. We have to make it now,
A hundred and thirty millions of us have to
And make it well, or suffer the bad dream.
What have we got to say?

765 Temujin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:51:39am

“ – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain – that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.” - Abraham Lincoln, at Gettysburg

766 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:51:56am

re: #761 MandyManners

What other SecDef has left our men open to being killed because of a refusal to provide them with the means to protect themselves?


Aspin was terrible, so was Albright etc. If you did not like the Clinton cabinet, the next one might make your teeth itch.

767 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:52:12am

re: #758 Miss Trixie
Hey good morning {Miss Trixie} and thank you kindly! *smooch*
I hope Canada Day was fun for you!

768 Shug  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:52:44am

Holy Cow.
Google has Fireworks on their Logo

Kind of surprised I didn't see a Rube Goldberg cartoon in the logo instead ( today is Rube's birthday )

769 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:53:40am

re: #757 MandyManners

He's as guilty for our men's deaths as Aideed was.

I will never forget seeing the body being dragged through the street.

Gonna' stop now before I get worked up and say something mean.

You are right, Gen Powell then Chairman of the JCS told him not to pull the amour out and he pulled it out so the guys had no armour and when the Black Hawk went down the guys had no armour to use to try to rescue the guys who were surrounded, so they had to drive into AK47 fire with HUMMERS whose sides were canvass.

The Pakistanis under UN command simply refused to use the armour to support the rescue, so our guys went into fire without any protection.

Aspen... what a brilliant SECDEF... ignoring the Chairman of the JCS who was a combat veteran when military men are in harms way. Brilliant. (hope no one notices my sarcasm).

770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:53:54am

re: #768 Shug

I get called a "Rube" all the time. Is it because of him?

771 shanec99  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:54:38am

re: #761 MandyManners

What other SecDef has left our men open to being killed because of a refusal to provide them with the means to protect themselves?

Can't think of any.

772 Shug  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:54:38am

re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I get called a "Rube" all the time. Is it because of him?

No, it's because of Paul Rubens

/

773 freedombilly  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:54:41am

Happy Birthday Declaration of Independence! My favorite memory of July 4th comes from a trip I took in high school to the Soviet Union in 1990. The wind ensemble I was playing with was on tour in Moscow. Someone shouted out that it was the 4th and the whole bus sang our National Anthem at the top of our lungs.

Long live independence!

774 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:54:55am

re: #772 Shug

Heh heh!

775 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:56:32am

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

776 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #766 opnion

Aspin was terrible, so was Albright etc. If you did not like the Clinton cabinet, the next one might make your teeth itch.

To my recollection, Albright did not refuse to provide equipment our men needed to protect themselves.

I don't want to even think what a BHO administration might inflict on our men and women in uniform. Gah!

777 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:56:53am

re: #767 realwest

Hey good morning {Miss Trixie} and thank you kindly! *smooch*
I hope Canada Day was fun for you!

*smoochie-smooch-SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH*

Thank you kindly, luv - it was delightful. :D

What are your plans for today?

778 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:56:55am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

Do tell!

779 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:56:56am

re: #775 rawmuse

Oh wow.

780 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:03am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

What happened?

781 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:10am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

Huh?

782 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:33am

re: #775 rawmuse OoohKay! Talk to us - we want to know ALL about it!

783 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:50am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

Happy 25th Anniversary?

784 yochanan  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:52am

AMERICAN THAT SAYS IT ALL

785 Karridine  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:57:54am

re: #759 rawmuse

I'm with you! We bought the CD last month, and my sons love it as much as I do. "Glory"... "Give 'em hell, 42nd!"

Then I'm watching The Civil War, and on comes a picture of Colonel Shaw, and the narrator explains how REALLY DIFFICULT it was for him and the black regiment...

Glory is well made, Rawmuse... I can't speak highly enough of it, but mainly because it portrays a true underlying part of the human struggle in America to deal honorably, one race with another, then as now...

786 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:58:06am

re: #776 MandyManners

To my recollection, Albright did not refuse to provide equipment our men needed to protect themselves.

I don't want to even think what a BHO administration might inflict on our men and women in uniform. Gah!

It is a disturbing thought

787 godfrey  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:58:08am

re: #775 rawmuse

Ya got my attention.

788 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:58:32am

I changed money on the black market. The person I did the transaction with, also informed on me, no doubt for a kickback from law enforcement.
It got to be rather expensive. I don't recommend it.

789 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:13am

re: #769 shanec99

Few assholes from the Clinton Administration get me going as Aspin does.

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:19am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

That wins the "And then I had everybody's attention on LGF" if any comment ever did. Please tell us about it.

791 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #782 realwest

OoohKay! Talk to us - we want to know ALL about it!

SI SI!

Thankfully, rawmuse avoided the The Bitch Wars.

(Not to make light of any situation, but don't you just love the idea of it being called that?)

792 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:41am

re: #771 shanec99

Can't think of any.

Neither can I.

793 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #788 rawmuse

I changed money on the black market. The person I did the transaction with, also informed on me, no doubt for a kickback from law enforcement.
It got to be rather expensive. I don't recommend it.

WOW

794 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:50am

re: #768 Shug

Holy Cow.
Google has Fireworks on their Logo

Well- I'll give google a little credit, but only a little, and here's why-

Independence Day is the easiest American holiday to bastardize. Everyone calls it "the Fourth", and centers most of their activities around fireworks and bbqs. Not that there is anything wrong with how we celebrate our Independence, mind you, it's just for google- they took the easy route, fireworks, not a flag or other symbol of American patriotism. Just fireworks. That's like Santa at Christmas.

With that all said, Lizards- Happy Independence Day!

795 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 6:59:55am

re: #777 Miss Trixie Well it's going to be darned HOT down here, and so I think we're just gonna lay out under the A/C, look at the flag, eat, nap, eat, nap, take down the flag at sunset, eat and watch the fireworks show!
Then come home and eat and go to sleep!

Really, I hope I can take all this excitement! LOL!

796 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:00:26am

Hugh Hewitt had the founders of SemperFi Fund on his show-- the work they do is so vital to our wounded veterans.

[Link: www.semperfifund.org...]

797 Shug  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:00:46am

re: #776 MandyManners

To my recollection, Albright did not refuse to provide equipment our men needed to protect themselves.

I don't want to even think what a BHO administration might inflict on our men and women in uniform. Gah!

Yes she did. She issued every troop a bullet proof ( and decorative ) broach to wear on their uniform

/

798 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:01:33am

re: #797 Shug

Yes she did. She issued every troop a bullet proof ( and decorative ) broach to wear on their uniform

/

Now, that's just funny!

799 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:02:21am

re: #786 opnion

It is a disturbing thought

One of my key memories of that time was watching the coverage of Mogadishu with my mom. She went bat-shit crazy. That prim and proper Southern Christian lady dropped the "F" bomb quite liberally. (I knew she knew it 'cause she said it once while watching Bagdad Sam Nunn before the first Gulf war.

800 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:03:15am

re: #788 rawmuse THAT'S IT?!? Y'all changed money on the Black Market (don't let Obama hear you call it that!) and got thrown in the pokey?!
No spy story? No super-secret liasons with beautiful women who'd try to, uh, trick you into releasing super-secret information?
Shoot, what a let-down!
;')

801 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:00am

re: #797 Shug

Yes she did. She issued every troop a bullet proof ( and decorative ) broach to wear on their uniform

/

If I recall, it was a "hat, a broach, or a pterodactyl"

802 freedombilly  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:16am

re: #788 rawmuse

Wow! In '90 the exchange rate was 6 rubles to a dollar but I got offered 80 rubles to the dollar on the black market. And you would have to open the door and start getting out of a cab before the ride started to get them to take rubles instead of dollars. People were hoarding dollars since there was a hunch that something along the lines of May Day, '91 was right around the corner.

How long did they keep you in jail?

803 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:29am

re: #800 realwest

Shoot, what a let-down!
;')

Realwest, you have to remember this was a time they put you in the pokey there just for taking a photo of a building.

Or sleeping with Nina Khrushchev. Leastways, that's how Nikita told it.

804 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:40am

re: #776 MandyManners

To my recollection, Albright did not refuse to provide equipment our men needed to protect themselves.

I don't want to even think what a BHO administration might inflict on our men and women in uniform. Gah!

My impression is that he wants to just do away with the "inconvenience-thing" of a military. Besides, who will need a military since we'll be friends with all nations who will love us because we'll no longer be a super-power that oppresses them.

/speaking of living in interesting times.

805 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:46am

re: #797 Shug

Yes she did. She issued every troop a bullet proof ( and decorative ) broach to wear on their uniform

/

HA!

Seriously, did she refuse to provide body armour?

806 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:04:48am

re: #800 realwest

It is possible to get in to more trouble, but that did not happen. At least not THEN. As the saying goes "It all started so innocently..."

807 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:05:37am

re: #802 freedombilly

a week, not always with clothing.

808 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:05:50am

re: #799 MandyManners

One of my key memories of that time was watching the coverage of Mogadishu with my mom. She went bat-shit crazy. That prim and proper Southern Christian lady dropped the "F" bomb quite liberally. (I knew she knew it 'cause she said it once while watching Bagdad Sam Nunn before the first Gulf war.


That whole 'Black Hawk Down" episode was a real low point.
Those kids got hung out to dry & they are not coming back.
As an added bonus, it just encouraged the jihadists more.
As I recall,Aspin resigned in disgrace shortly after?

809 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:06:12am

re: #804 gettinby

My impression is that he wants to just do away with the "inconvenience-thing" of a military. Besides, who will need a military since we'll be friends with all nations who will love us because we'll no longer be a super-power that oppresses them.

/speaking of living in interesting times.

I'd rather be respected--maybe feared a bit--than loved.

810 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:07:08am

re: #746 shanec99

What ever gave the Clintons the idea that a congress man with no military experience would make a good Sec DEf while Americans are at war?

[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

Aspin began his career in Congress as an outsider but soon developed a special interest and expertise in defense matters. Before and during his tenure in the House, he had opposed the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. In his early years in Congress he often issued press releases critical of shortcomings he detected in the armed forces. By 1985, when he became chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services, he was recognized as a leading defense authority. His chairmanship caused controversy among some House Democrats, particularly because he supported the Reagan administration's policies on the MX missile and aid to the Nicaraguan Contras. Although temporarily removed from his committee chair by his Democratic colleagues in 1987, Aspin weathered the crisis and resumed the post. He again broke with many Democrats in January 1991 when he issued a paper supporting the Bush administration's intention to use military force to drive the Iraqis from Kuwait. The accuracy of his prediction that the United States could win a quick military victory with light casualties added to his reputation as a military expert.

I think what it was, was the birth of modern political correctness, and pressure from the military-hating and military-ignorant Clintons. Could easily have been at Hilda's direct command.

But remember, it was Bush41's little gift to the Clintons, to put the troops there in the first place.

811 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:07:22am

re: #809 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected--maybe feared a bit--than loved.

Ditto. Wanting to be loved is for emos.

812 Temujin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:07:24am

re: #775 rawmuse

My worst 4th of July was spent in a jail cell. In Leningrad. 1983.

You should be proud.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. - Henry David Thoreau

813 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:07:53am

re: #806 rawmuse
"At least not THEN....." sorta implies that there was a THEN - c'mon talk, spill the beans, pretend you're the New York Times! LOL!

Seriously, I wasn't making light of your plight, spending any time in any jail ain't fun, but in a Soviet Jail, methinks it's a lot less fun.

814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:13am

re: #811 vbspurs

Emo here!

815 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:29am

re: #814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*hug*

816 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:36am

re: #800 realwest

THAT'S IT?!? Y'all changed money on the Black Market (don't let Obama hear you call it that!) and got thrown in the pokey?!
No spy story? No super-secret liasons with beautiful women who'd try to, uh, trick you into releasing super-secret information?
Shoot, what a let-down!
;')


Come on
rawmuse, tell us your name is Bond, James Bond & that you take it shaken not stirred.

817 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:36am

re: #808 opnion

That whole 'Black Hawk Down" episode was a real low point.
Those kids got hung out to dry & they are not coming back.
As an added bonus, it just encouraged the jihadists more.
As I recall,Aspin resigned in disgrace shortly after?

Yes.

818 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:42am

We're off to enjoy this absolutely gorgeous summer day and everyone have a wonderful Fourth of July.

819 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:08:51am

re: #788 rawmuse

I changed money on the black market. The person I did the transaction with, also informed on me, no doubt for a kickback from law enforcement.
It got to be rather expensive. I don't recommend it.

That's a better reason to be in a soviet prison than it could have been.

My grandfather was in prison in Siberia for 10 years.

He was in the Soviet army fighting the Nazi's, and one of his platoon members was arrested and imprisoned for 5 years for having stolen a cabbage head in their travels. A short while later, my grandfather made a comment around the campfire to his comrade's, about how silly it is to get 5 years for stealing a cabbage head. He may have also mentioned something about how the Nazi's had better technology than the soviets (I'm not sure...)

Needless to say, the next day he was hauled up in front of his commanding officer and sentenced to 10 years in a Siberian prison for having spoken treason against the Soviet Union.

820 loppyd  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:09:27am

Good Morning Lizard Nation and Happy Birthday America!

821 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:09:41am

re: #820 loppyd

Loppy!

822 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:03am

re: #811 vbspurs

Ditto. Wanting to be loved is for emos.

Well, I'd rather The Kid love me than fear me. Maybe in parental situations, respect is a mixture of love and fear.

823 freedombilly  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:10am

re: #807 rawmuse

a week, not always with clothing.

A week without clothing can be a great time but not in a jail cell in Leningrad I am guessing!

824 godfrey  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:29am

re: #818 Miss Trixie

You too, Miss Trixie.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

Beautiful, clear, and true.

825 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:35am

re: #807 rawmuse

a week, not always with clothing.

Coulda' been worse. It coulda' been in December.

826 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:38am

Um, wasn't Les Aspin the SecDef when the USS Cole was bombed and who concluded that there was no real terrorist threat, that the Cole was a one-off or was that some other pos in the Clinton cabinet?

827 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:46am

re: #819 rlevitin

That's a better reason to be in a soviet prison than it could have been.

My grandfather was in prison in Siberia for 10 years.

He was in the Soviet army fighting the Nazi's, and one of his platoon members was arrested and imprisoned for 5 years for having stolen a cabbage head in their travels. A short while later, my grandfather made a comment around the campfire to his comrade's, about how silly it is to get 5 years for stealing a cabbage head. He may have also mentioned something about how the Nazi's had better technology than the soviets (I'm not sure...)

Needless to say, the next day he was hauled up in front of his commanding officer and sentenced to 10 years in a Siberian prison for having spoken treason against the Soviet Union.

Sadly, so may Americans simply have no appreciation for our blessings.

828 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:10:51am

re: #813 realwest

I think that is a big reason why I can't tolerate commies, to this day.
Until you are in a communist jail, without passport, without the first right, and no one even knows you are there, not your parents, not the Embassy, you do not begin to even appreciate how fucked you are.
Yeah, I appreciate the US of A. A lot.

829 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:11:31am

re: #825 MandyManners

Coulda' been worse. It coulda' been in December.

Igor: Could be worse. Could be raining. (Thunder clap, and rain begins)

830 gettinby  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:11:42am

re: #809 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected--maybe feared a bit--than loved.

Exactly.

For ALL his faults, at least (I sincerely hope and pray) McCain will keep us on the respect-us-fear-us side of the coin.

831 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:11:56am

re: #819 rlevitin

That's a better reason to be in a soviet prison than it could have been.

My grandfather was in prison in Siberia for 10 years.

He was in the Soviet army fighting the Nazi's, and one of his platoon members was arrested and imprisoned for 5 years for having stolen a cabbage head in their travels. A short while later, my grandfather made a comment around the campfire to his comrade's, about how silly it is to get 5 years for stealing a cabbage head. He may have also mentioned something about how the Nazi's had better technology than the soviets (I'm not sure...)

Needless to say, the next day he was hauled up in front of his commanding officer and sentenced to 10 years in a Siberian prison for having spoken treason against the Soviet Union.

Five years for some cole slaw?

832 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:12:11am

re: #822 MandyManners

Well, I'd rather The Kid love me than fear me. Maybe in parental situations, respect is a mixture of love and fear.

Actually, I was referring more to nation-states etc. I feel sorry for countries and people who seek out love where they should concentrate on being respected.

833 loppyd  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:12:25am

Via Hot Air:

NYT shocked to find a politician instead of a virgin

SNIP

The New York Times editorial board went to bed with a virgin and woke up with a … well, a pro, in milder terms, or so they seem to imply in today’s unhappy missive. The editorial castigates Obama for his replacement of just about everything he has professed from January 2007 to May 2008 with his all-new, 50%-more-”centery” agenda that rejects everything that made him attractive to the Left in the first place. And they wonder where it will all stop:

Senator Barack Obama stirred his legions of supporters, and raised our hopes, promising to change the old order of things. He spoke with passion about breaking out of the partisan mold of bickering and catering to special pleaders, promised to end President Bush’s abuses of power and subverting of the Constitution and disowned the big-money power brokers who have corrupted Washington politics.

Now there seems to be a new Barack Obama on the hustings. First, he broke his promise to try to keep both major parties within public-financing limits for the general election. His team explained that, saying he had a grass-roots-based model and that while he was forgoing public money, he also was eschewing gold-plated fund-raisers. These days he’s on a high-roller hunt.

834 opnion  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:13:00am

re: #828 rawmuse

I think that is a big reason why I can't tolerate commies, to this day.
Until you are in a communist jail, without passport, without the first right, and no one even knows you are there, not your parents, not the Embassy, you do not begin to even appreciate how fucked you are.
Yeah, I appreciate the US of A. A lot.


You my friend had a lights out, horseshit experience. Sorry

835 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:13:18am

re: #826 realwest

Um, wasn't Les Aspin the SecDef when the USS Cole was bombed and who concluded that there was no real terrorist threat, that the Cole was a one-off or was that some other pos in the Clinton cabinet?

No. Aspin was gone about seven years before the Cole.

836 loppyd  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:13:39am

re: #821 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Loppy!

Fat Bastard!

You make some damn good wine, BTW. LOL

837 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:13:41am

re: #822 MandyManners

Well, I'd rather The Kid love me than fear me. Maybe in parental situations, respect is a mixture of love and fear.

I think "fear" in this sense equates with respect, not "being afraid." Love without respect can quickly degenerate into contempt.

(Parental love is (or should be) unconditional, of course. Sadly, some become more obsessed with their need to be "respected" than their obligation to love--I was married to one of these.)

838 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:14:09am

re: #830 gettinby

Exactly.

For ALL his faults, at least (I sincerely hope and pray) McCain will keep us on the respect-us-fear-us side of the coin.

And, that is the reason I support him...not just because he's the better of two evils.

839 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:00am

re: #819 rlevitin Oh my God. TEN YEARS for a head of cabbage which HE didn't steal, just criticized the government for punishing another soldier who did?
Hey all y'all - next time you critcize President whomever, take a moment and try to remember rlevitin's story about his grandfather.
We do, indeed, live in the most Freed Nation on Earth.
God Bless America.

840 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:26am

re: #828 rawmuse

On the other hand, you WERE dealing in the Black Market... you had to have appreciated the risk involved with that.

A week is not pleasant, but I say you are lucky it wasn't more than that.

841 godfrey  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:31am

re: #828 rawmuse

Good reminder, rawmuse. I'm glad it worked out.

842 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:33am

PIMF Free.

843 DistantThunder  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:45am

re: #828 rawmuse

I think that is a big reason why I can't tolerate commies, to this day.
Until you are in a communist jail, without passport, without the first right, and no one even knows you are there, not your parents, not the Embassy, you do not begin to even appreciate how fucked you are.
Yeah, I appreciate the US of A. A lot.

This happened to our friend in Ohio. He was traveling through from Indiana and had a number of guns with him. Being a bounty hunter and a military contractor, he had a federal firearms permit. Some hick cops, in a dinky town, didn't care, took his guns, locked him up, and refused to allow him a phone call - for 10 days. They finally let him out, without charges.

He's hired a lawyer.

844 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:53am

re: #832 vbspurs

Actually, I was referring more to nation-states etc. I feel sorry for countries and people who seek out love where they should concentrate on being respected.

I initially was speaking of the same but, my mind turned to The Kid after I posted No. 809. (He's wanting to do fireworks this morning but, I had to be The Meanest Mom in the World and refuse.)

845 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:15:55am

re: #842 realwest

PIMF Free.

The PIMF Wars.

846 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:16:13am

re: #686 Lucius Septimius

I wouldn't be too sure of that -- I can see him doing the same thing as Clinton, getting us involved in pointless foreign adventures where there is no particular aim and where we go in half-heartedly and leave accomplishing nothing. A dozen Somalias.

I think Obama will (should he, God forbid, be elected) have the same problem many world leaders have: He doesn't understand anything about the military or what they can accomplish. If modern Hollywood has been his main source of information about the military, he thinks it is perfectly reasonable to assume one soldier armed only with a Bowie knife can take out a whole division on foreign soil. After all, Rambo did something like that.

847 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:16:59am

re: #835 MandyManners
Ah, you're correct - it was SecDef William Cohen who reached that ridiculous conclusion about the bombing of the Cole.

848 rawmuse  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:16:59am

re: #840 rlevitin

True. I never claimed I did not deserve it. I was naive, the line at the bank was long (duh, EVERY line was long) and the cabbie offered an exchange.
I was stupid.

849 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:17:34am

re: #819 rlevitin

My father used to work in a quarry in NJ back in the 60s as a mechanic. One of the guys he worked with was a Russian who escaped the USSR. That guy was sent to Siberia for some reason. My dad said he had scars all over his hands because the Soviets wouldn't give them gloves and he was forced to work with tools with his bare hands in the frigid weather. When it got extremely cold his skin would stick to the tools, engines, or whatever he was working on and it would rip his skin off.

850 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:17:56am

re: #837 goddessoftheclassroom

I think "fear" in this sense equates with respect, not "being afraid." Love without respect can quickly degenerate into contempt.

(Parental love is (or should be) unconditional, of course. Sadly, some become more obsessed with their need to be "respected" than their obligation to love--I was married to one of these.)

Your kids are blessed to have you.

One thing I keep in mind constantly is that I don't want to be his friend. In fact, I tell him this every now and then. "I'm not your friend, Kid. I'm your mother."

851 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:17:57am

re: #844 MandyManners

I initially was speaking of the same but, my mind turned to The Kid after I posted No. 809. (He's wanting to do fireworks this morning but, I had to be The Meanest Mom in the World and refuse.)

Hey, I thought that was one of my titles!

One thing that makes me so lucky: I taught many of my Lizard-in-Training's friends, and THEY all think I'm so great (funny, fair, smart, etc). He can't complain too much to them about me because they just smack him down!

852 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:18:44am

re: #846 David IV of Georgia

I think Obama will (should he, God forbid, be elected) have the same problem many world leaders have: He doesn't understand anything about the military or what they can accomplish. If modern Hollywood has been his main source of information about the military, he thinks it is perfectly reasonable to assume one soldier armed only with a Bowie knife can take out a whole division on foreign soil. After all, Rambo did something like that.

I doubt that wimp has ever seen a Rambo movie.

853 loppyd  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:18:50am

re: #847 {ealwest}/em>

Ah, you're correct - it was SecDef William Cohen who reached that ridiculous conclusion about the bombing of the Cole.

Good Morning and Happy 4th, Handsome.

Clinton Admin's response to the Cole:

Nothing to see here (except a gaping hole in the side of a US destroyer)....move along (next stop 9/11).

854 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:18:59am

re: #849 NJDhockeyfan

When it got extremely cold his skin would stick to the tools, engines, or whatever he was working on and it would rip his skin off.

That happened under the Tsars too, Communists will tell you (as if to slough away the guilt from their regime).

Yes, it did, but the Tsars never claimed to be on the side of the People.

855 realwest  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:19:19am

re: #843 DistantThunder
Good morning DistantThunder and Happy Independence Day to you!
Uh, did they give him back his guns?

856 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:19:21am

re: #837 goddessoftheclassroom

I think "fear" in this sense equates with respect, not "being afraid." Love without respect can quickly degenerate into contempt.

(Parental love is [(or should be)] unconditional, of course. Sadly, some become more obsessed with their need to be "respected" than their obligation to love--I was married to one of these.)

Corrected that for you.

/shame on you!

857 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:19:38am

re: #850 MandyManners

Your kids are blessed to have you.

One thing I keep in mind constantly is that I don't want to be his friend. In fact, I tell him this every now and then. "I'm not your friend, Kid. I'm your mother."

Me, too--I've said, "You have dozens of friends but just one mom, and I'm it."

(and thanks for the kind words--your Kid is so lucky, too--but of course kids never really understand that until they've grown up.)

858 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:19:41am

re: #849 NJDhockeyfan

My father used to work in a quarry in NJ back in the 60s as a mechanic. One of the guys he worked with was a Russian who escaped the USSR. That guy was sent to Siberia for some reason. My dad said he had scars all over his hands because the Soviets wouldn't give them gloves and he was forced to work with tools with his bare hands in the frigid weather. When it got extremely cold his skin would stick to the tools, engines, or whatever he was working on and it would rip his skin off.

OUCH.

I can't even imagine the horrors the previous generation (that would probably include some of you folks, coming from me), had to go through. I feel so lucky I'm over here.

859 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:19:58am

re: #851 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey, I thought that was one of my titles!

One thing that makes me so lucky: I taught many of my Lizard-in-Training's friends, and THEY all think I'm so great (funny, fair, smart, etc). He can't complain too much to them about me because they just smack him down!

I hope that our house becomes the destination house when he's in middle school and high school.

860 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:20:10am

re: #854 vbspurs

I hope you saw my comment to you on the Iranian First Lady thread.

861 DistantThunder  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:20:19am

re: #849 NJDhockeyfan

My father used to work in a quarry in NJ back in the 60s as a mechanic. One of the guys he worked with was a Russian who escaped the USSR. That guy was sent to Siberia for some reason. My dad said he had scars all over his hands because the Soviets wouldn't give them gloves and he was forced to work with tools with his bare hands in the frigid weather. When it got extremely cold his skin would stick to the tools, engines, or whatever he was working on and it would rip his skin off.

What did the Soviets care? He was replaceable raw material.

How tragic, did you see how the Russian are now suspected in poisoning the UK's top spy who was found in a coma?

862 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 4, 2008 7:20:49am

re: #857 goddessoftheclassroom

Me, too--I've said, "You have dozens of friends but just one mom, and I'm it."

(and thanks for the kind words--your Kid is so lucky, too--