Agreed. A colossal waste of time and it only makes people look stupid when the left can point and laugh about pursuing these distractions.

OK, so we have to attack him on the merits, or lack of, his qualifications. That should take, oh, 10 minutes, tops.

His BC may be real, but he is as fake as they come.

There are bigger fish to fry.

He is the most leftist politician in the country. I do not want to see him in the White House.

re: #2 rawmuse

OK, so we have to attack him on the merits, or lack of, his qualifications. That should take, oh, 10 minutes, tops.

Hush yo mouf.
He's a community organizer, don't get more real than that!
/

re: #5 jcm

Hush yo mouf.
He's a community organizer, don't get more real than that!
/

word.
/

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Hey Jammie!

Jaba v. Wake tonight.....hmmm.

Obama wasn't born, he was hatched.

He proposes giving the U.N. a quarter trillion dollars. Think about that one.

now I'm really gone...

Later!

Excellent. I need as many debunked rumors as possible for my Obama Rumor/Obama Fact page.

Good post.
I still think Obama was an assh*le for posting the certificate first on the Kos website. Is that what we can expect in the future from him? Can you see it now important, national information posted at the daily kos instead of any reputable news site? ........

I've now added this one to the list.

Charles has said it many times before, defeat Obama on his marxist policies and shady ties, not some silly birth cirtificate, or if he is or isn't a muslim.

The Birth certificate is real.

The rest of Him is fake

Wait, so Obama's birth certificate WASN'T responsible for 9/11? My world is shattered.

He is a post turtle. Do I need to type the definition?

I think our side is much better served by going after the man's positions and affiliations than some wishful pipe dream that there is a magic document (or videotape) that will knock him out.

re: #17 rawmuse

He is a post turtle. Do I need to type the definition?

NOPE!

re: #8 sngnsgt

Weren't we all?

re: #18 Sharmuta

I think our side is much better served by going after the man's positions and affiliations than some wishful pipe dream that there is a magic document (or videotape) that will knock him out.

their could be a video of Obama drowning a bathtub full of puppies and it wouldn't matter, the media would still cover it up under the guise the puppies all had cancer or some nonsense

Only question I have here is why on earth didn't Obama's campaign simply present his copy in the FIRST place? What possible advantage could be gained by all the flap on a no-brainer like this?

Now can we find evidence that this was a false flag set up that was done as an attempt to discredit LGF? Charles' refusal to take the bait must have some people very angry.

re: #8 sngnsgt

Obama wasn't born, he was hatched.

He ain't no lizard, snake maybe.

re: #22 irongrampa

Sucker bait. And some fell for it.

re: #15 Shug

The Birth certificate is real.

The rest of Him is fake

I was going to say something to this effect. The BC is the only thing that is "real" about this empty suit.

re: #22 irongrampa

Only question I have here is why on earth didn't Obama's campaign simply present his copy in the FIRST place? What possible advantage could be gained by all the flap on a no-brainer like this?

They wanted his enemies to look like asses to chasing something fake so the next time his opponent brings something up folks will just assume it's another wild goose chase

actually pretty clever

re: #26 Truck Monkey

I was going to say something to this effect. The BC is the only thing that is "real" about this empty suit.

The BC is real, the rest is all BS.

Darn - but you are right Charles - move on.
Change!

re: #17 rawmuse

He is a post turtle. Do I need to type the definition?

I think I've posted that here before.

Occam's Razor kicks in here.

re: #20 poteen

Lefty nut-kooks think he was hatched from a golden egg.

re: #7 loppyd

Hey Jammie!

Jaba v. Wake tonight.....hmmm.

Nine games behind Tampa. Ugh.

Didn't see the game yesterday. May not be awake for much of it tonight.

re: #19 VegasRick

NOPE!

Yes - please.

re: #32 sngnsgt

Free range chicken?

re: #35 poteen

Roosting chicken

re: #27 Shug

But mounting an effort to discredit McCain's citizenship is perfectly ok? Did I get that right?

Plenty of other things to discuss:

Why should we elect a candidate who thinks we should ask other countries permission before we eat as much as we want (need)?

For that matter, does Obama think all should have enough to eat, from whatever country?

It seems that he first focuses on spreading hunger.

Well, here's breakfast:

Cowboy breakfast

re: #37 irongrampa

But mounting an effort to discredit McCain's citizenship is perfectly ok? Did I get that right?

Yes, why yes you did gramps..........

Forget the silly forged birth certificate. I'm more concerned about the 666 birth mark on his scalp.

/

re: #36 sngnsgt

Yowza! Jeremiah was Wright.

I still reserve judgment as to whether BHO is constitutionally qualified to be President. In the future, if the Obama campaign wishes to dispel some rumor, I wish that they would find some credible means of disseminating the information. The Daily Kos hardly qualifies. If anything, releasing a document to them immediately casts doubt.

re: #37 irongrampa

But mounting an effort to discredit McCain's citizenship is perfectly ok? Did I get that right?

Didn't you get the double standard memo ?

re: #38 Ojoe

Well, here's breakfast:

Cowboy breakfast

That towercam is getting better everyday.

I just wonder about where they've marked mother's race as "Jackal". I have a bad feeling about this...

re: #12 seekeroftruth

Good post.
I still think Obama was an assh*le for posting the certificate first on the Kos website. Is that what we can expect in the future from him? Can you see it now important, national information posted at the daily kos instead of any reputable news site? ........

Before I give the answer I was planning on, what exactly would you consider a reputable news site? Are you talking about the MSM, CNN, etc.?

Tired of this crap, got yard work to do, so I guess we'll go fishin--Have a great day, good people.

Weather the birth certificate is real or a forgery...Obama isn't an American by a long shot.

re: #42 EC Marm

I still reserve judgment as to whether BHO is constitutionally qualified to be President. In the future, if the Obama campaign wishes to dispel some rumor, I wish that they would find some credible means of disseminating the information. The Daily Kos hardly qualifies. If anything, releasing a document to them immediately casts doubt.

I think they used Markos 'cause they didn't want to give this issue credence by releasing it to the MSM.

re: #44 DesertSage

Military spy satellite technology with mega zoom!

I still think Hillary's got something up her sleeve which she's saving for Denver.

re: #9 Racer X

He proposes giving the U.N. a quarter trillion dollars. Think about that one.

That thought makes me physically ill. My head hurts.

re: #50 Ojoe

Military spy satellite technology with mega zoom!

Obama said that satellite technology is wasteful spending, the money would be better spent on his house

re: #12 seekeroftruth
Uh, I don't think so, since Kos subsequently attacked Obama and threw Obama under the BUS.
As did, iirc, Moveon.org.

re: #49 MandyManners

Good call.. Good ole' plausible deniability.

re: #49 MandyManners

I think they used Markos 'cause they didn't want to give this issue credence by releasing it to the MSM.

In other words, give it to the least credible source possible, then when we automagically assume Kos is up to no good, slam us for being skeptical and taking a good hard look at the document?
I'd say it would be a good strategery, but I kinda doubt that there are that many strategists in the Obama camp. Unless one considers withdrawing from a war you are winning is good strategery.

re: #22 irongrampa It distracted the more gullible on the right from focusing on the more important issue: he's simply not fit to be POTUS and Leader of the Free World.
And it worked, in spite of Charles' and others warnings about it.

This story was not reported on cnn. They do have a story about a spitting contest though.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

re: #55 poteen

Good call.. Good ole' plausible deniability.

He's being used like a paper towel.

re: #58 VegasRick And you're surprised that this wasn't reported on CNN why?!

I've said this before and I'll say it again-

I have no problem with an African American being president. I know quite a few who are very qualified for the job. Obama is NOT amongst those few!

The first African American president should be a Republican - in honor of Abraham Lincoln. Plain and simple. Lincoln would roll over in his grave if he knew that the first black president was a Democrat.

re: #56 EC Marm

In other words, give it to the least credible source possible, then when we automagically assume Kos is up to no good, slam us for being skeptical and taking a good hard look at the document?
I'd say it would be a good strategery, but I kinda doubt that there are that many strategists in the Obama camp. Unless one considers withdrawing from a war you are winning is good strategery.

Soros is a master strategist, and I'm sure he has many of the same under his command.

re: #51 Macker

I still think Hillary's got something up her sleeve which she's saving for Denver.

Oh, me too.

re: #60 realwest

And you're surprised that this wasn't reported on CNN why?!

I know.

Perhaps Obama wants to be sworn in just in time for an Iraqi victory.

re: #57 realwest

Let's discuss this one:

Obama says "punished with a baby".

Is Obama fit to have immense power, affecting the lives of many other people, if he can so overlook the innocent miracle of a new baby?

I don't think so.

It's a shame that we were not the ones to break the "anti-forgery. Oh well, we can help to get the information out, just the same.

The Obama birth certificate myth ----- destroyed.

The Obama is qualified to be president myth------next

re: #46 JamesWI

Before I give the answer I was planning on, what exactly would you consider a reputable news site? Are you talking about the MSM, CNN, etc.?

For this, if they simply release the physical copy to the press in general, the way that McCain did with his medical records, this would be the end of the whole thing.

re: #21 pegcity

I watched that "Reliable Sources" on CNN this morning (what a misnomer for that program!) Anyway, the moderator claimed to address the spread of false stories....(this was to address false stories told about both political contenders for the presidency -- for both McCain and The Messiah.) Anywho, the bottom line was that the presentation of false/fictitious/spurious lies about McCain are perfectly acceptable (so a Weasel can say X, Y, and Z about war service and couple this with "fitness for presidency") that's all acceptable. But with regard to Hussein...well, anything -- that's anything which vaguely hints of a question, is off limits. This "no questions are to be asked" of the Messiah was developed by the Moderator of "Reliable" Sources suggesting that all questions were simply of the category: "Hussein is a Muslim" or other over-the-top, off the wall, imbecilic suggestions. In other words, all questions were categorized as false, fictitious exaggerations which were clearly based on demonstrably false "rumors." Hence, all questions must immediately be stopped. And, we're back to the "We must never ever speak the Middle Name of the anointed one. It's taboo." So the press is (thanks Howy!) effectively muzzled. And, once again, we've got the press going out (doing battle) in full tilt mode in campaigning for their candidate.

re: #67 swamprat

It's a shame that we were not the ones to break the "anti-forgery. Oh well, we can help to get the information out, just the same.

Ummm, actually Charles spotted it and said so right from the very start...

re: #56 EC Marm

Well, I believe it is because outside of places like this that are considered to be "right-wing" blogs, this issue was not on anyone's radar. If he goes to the MSM saying "Hey, I have a birth certificate, I meet the constitutional requirements to be the President," the people who have never heard of this supposed "controversy" might start thinking that there is something he's hiding.

born in america, running for potus and nothing good to say abt. his country.
he should apply for citizenship elsewhere.

Wait!

Did they post a photoshopped image that was altered to look like the real one? That way, he can produce the real one to show that it looks like the photoshopped phony.

So, the next real document that makes him look bad, they can say it's "just another right-wing attack like the birth certificate thing"

I wonder what they know is out there....

/adjusts tin-foil cap

(believed Charles was right not to run with the BC thing, as there is so many more pertinent issues on which to oppose BO)

re: #27 Shug

They wanted his enemies to look like asses to chasing something fake so the next time his opponent brings something up folks will just assume it's another wild goose chase

actually pretty clever

Time honored technique known as "poisoning the well".

re: #72 JamesWI

Well, I believe it is because outside of places like this that are considered to be "right-wing" blogs, this issue was not on anyone's radar. If he goes to the MSM saying "Hey, I have a birth certificate, I meet the constitutional requirements to be the President," the people who have never heard of this supposed "controversy" might start thinking that there is something he's hiding.

Bingo!

Good morning everyone - beware the mobies who still want to inflate the issue.

re: #72 JamesWI

Oh, and WELCOME!

re: #70 J.S.

yeah if i hear one more mention of the fightthesmear.com from the talking heads im gonna barf. Its like every time anything is brought up they immediatley mention the website.

re: #66 Ojoe Nor do I, my friend, nor do I.
I've said it before, but I think it bears repeating over and over again: Obama is an amoral, power hungry, narcissist son of a bitch who is totally and completely unqualified to be President of The United States of America - a nation which, IMO, he neither likes nor respects.
And the Democratic Party should, honestly and truly, be ashamed of itself for putting him up as their nominee (if in fact they do; I've got this sneaking suspicion that we haven't heard the last of Senator Clinton just yet).

re: #59 MandyManners

I'm sure he knows it. The Dems are going to use the way his site is set up to their best advantage(i.e. random 'diaries'), and if MMZ wants to be a bigtime player, he'll go along with them.

re: #71 doriangrey
So cool.

re: #68 Shug Uh, Shug, my friend, the second one is NOT a myth. Period.

Set Up to ridicule those that would question the Obamessiah. Obama chose to let the story simmer. There will be other Red Herrings.And this will cause people to shy away from real stories, if there be any.

re: #82 swamprat

So cool.

Yup, Charles was way ahead of the curve on this one...

re: #80 realwest

Ah well. Copperheads before, the same today.

BBL; work to do.

re: #81 poteen

I'm sure he knows it. The Dems are going to use the way his site is set up to their best advantage(i.e. random 'diaries'), and if MMZ wants to be a bigtime player, he'll go along with them.

Well, his record of supporting candidates sucks for his side.

re: #62 MandyManners

Soros is a master strategist, and I'm sure he has many of the same under his command.

If Obama's real, original birth certificate contains information that would nullify his qualification for the Presidency, then tossing this electronic abbreviated version out to get kicked around would be a real solid strategy. Take the heat off the original, try to discredit some people in the process, then when the real document is requested go, "There you go, again."
Yeah, some big money behind Obama could have some brains at that level. I still think it could go before the SCOTUS in the unlikely event of a BHO victory. I kinda like the fact that there is some level of doubt. I ran into a lot of people in mid-state Pennsylvania the past couple of days that keep whispering "muslim" whenever BHOs name came up. He still hasn't been able to remove that idea from a lot of minds.

Is Obama John Kerrys illegitimate child?

re: #71 doriangrey
Absolutely spot on post dorian.
Charles knew this was bullshit from the jump and SAID SO from the start.

re: #77 MacGregor

Good morning everyone - beware the mobies who still want to inflate the issue.

Caution using the word inflate.
NSFW, sanity or public consumption.
But it is from zombie.

re: #84 pat

Which means that Obamination is as slimy as they come. Only interested in being president, no clue whatsoever what it means to serve this country.

My family works in both the printing and graphics industry and I have at times helped out in both. My skills compared to rest of family in graphics arts is minimal and i could produce a better fake birth certificate than what was posted as obama's original. He may have a real on but that was not a scan of a real one. It is the amateurish quality that we got in from "designers" that we had to recreate from scratch to get print or web quality graphics.

re: #78 MandyManners

Thank you.

re: #90 realwest

Absolutely spot on post dorian.
Charles knew this was bullshit from the jump and SAID SO from the start.

What is sad is how many people have ignored Charles on this and continue to attempt to make some kind of issue out of it.

re: #84 pat

Set Up to ridicule those that would question the Obamessiah. Obama chose to let the story simmer. There will be other Red Herrings.And this will cause people to shy away from real stories, if there be any.

So it's a twofer- discredit anyone taking the false bait, and to keep anyone from following a potential true lead for fear it might be another fake.

re: #61 DesertSage

I've said this before and I'll say it again-

I have no problem with an African American being president. I know quite a few who are very qualified for the job. Obama is NOT amongst those few!

The first African American president should be a Republican - in honor of Abraham Lincoln. Plain and simple. Lincoln would roll over in his grave if he knew that the first black president was a Democrat who doesn't seem to be all that fond of this country.

re: #80 realwest

Can't argue with your conclusion RW. Just remember, the Dem primaries were nothing more than the Clinton machine vs the Daley (Chicago) machine for control of their party. Obama's just the salable frontman.

re: #91 jcm

lol - They need a lot of inflating! How do I get to the zombietime obama fact - fiction page?

re: #89 BignJames
ROTFLMAO! Great one!

re: #87 MandyManners

I think McCain knows THAT.

re: #92 frodolives

I have come to your conclusion. The disrespect he has shown McCain, particularly through close proxies, is incredible. McCain has tried to be decent, and has been lied too, slandered, and scoffed at.

Obama says he's 'been very consistent' on Iraq

ST. LOUIS, Missouri (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama, speaking on board his campaign plane as it headed to St. Louis on Saturday, continued to defend his position on Iraq -- and questioned reporters' parsing of his words.

The Audacity of Questions...

re: #96 Sharmuta

So it's a twofer- discredit anyone taking the false bait, and to keep anyone from following a potential true lead for fear it might be another fake.

I fear that you are correct and that is and was always their strategy.

He's illegal...busted
He's a Muslim mole...busted
He's black...busted
He's an empty suit...open for discussion
He's a Soros puppet...open for discussion
He's an elitist lib...open for discussion
He's untested, inexperienced...open for discussion.

The last four are much more important anyway.

I still find it hard to believe that Opendna created a clean blank so quickly. Getting rid of the crease along the top seems like a pretty laborious job. However, I'll deffer judgment to those who know about this kind of stuff.

re: #93 largolarry

My family works in both the printing and graphics industry and I have at times helped out in both. My skills compared to rest of family in graphics arts is minimal and i could produce a better fake birth certificate than what was posted as obama's original. He may have a real on but that was not a scan of a real one. It is the amateurish quality that we got in from "designers" that we had to recreate from scratch to get print or web quality graphics.

Yah, what was posted was such a low-res scan, it could have been anything. I wonder if that was oh so cleverly done on purpose or through incompetence - and I usually bet on the later.

What exactly were people expecting with B-HO's birth certificate - little itty-bitty footprints and handprints, too? A yellowed document from the hospital that would look nothing like a state-issued document? I have both my hospital original AND state-issued birth certificates, and they look nothing alike, plus they are dated nearly twenty years apart. Gosh, that sounds like B-HO's BC, hmmmm?

Again, what were people expecting?

Now, can we get on to the really important issues, such as, oh, keeping B-HO and M-HO OUT of the White House?

... on with things ... >

Good head, Charles! You've served as a rational weathervane before. It's why I'm here.

re: #88 EC Marm Hey EC, how are you today?
I'll be honest here: I don't think there's ANYTHING in the actual Birth Certificate (which is NOT what Kos posted) that would be bad for Obama.
What I want to know is why McCain released ALL of his MEDICAL records and Obama released..........
a one page letter from his Doctor?
Methinks there's something in Senator Obama's medical history - his RECENT medical history, that would do damage to his candidacy.

Like most conspiracy theories, this one will not go away no matter how often it is debunked. The best debunkers can do is ensure that no honest people are taken in by it and that only hard-core conspira-loons provide the future audience.

Otoh, I have heard a potentially profitable interesting new wrinkle. I have it from a good source* that a newly hatched alien was smuggled out of Area 51 in an employee's lunch box in 1961. Coincidence? Inquiring minds will want to know, and pay.

*late night radio caller

re: #72 JamesWI

Well, I believe it is because outside of places like this that are considered to be "right-wing" blogs, this issue was not on anyone's radar. If he goes to the MSM saying "Hey, I have a birth certificate, I meet the constitutional requirements to be the President," the people who have never heard of this supposed "controversy" might start thinking that there is something he's hiding.

First off, welcome aboard. While I heard some whispers for some time, the first occasion I saw somone calling for the release of the birth certificate was at National Review Online (NRO). Does anyone know their political leanings?

re: #110 realwest

Hey EC, how are you today?
I'll be honest here: I don't think there's ANYTHING in the actual Birth Certificate (which is NOT what Kos posted) that would be bad for Obama.
What I want to know is why McCain released ALL of his MEDICAL records and Obama released..........
a one page letter from his Doctor?
Methinks there's something in Senator Obama's medical history - his RECENT medical history, that would do damage to his candidacy.

He was recently diagnosed with egomania

re: #88 EC Marm

If Obama's real, original birth certificate contains information that would nullify his qualification for the Presidency, then tossing this electronic abbreviated version out to get kicked around would be a real solid strategy. Take the heat off the original, try to discredit some people in the process, then when the real document is requested go, "There you go, again."
Yeah, some big money behind Obama could have some brains at that level. I still think it could go before the SCOTUS in the unlikely event of a BHO victory. I kinda like the fact that there is some level of doubt. I ran into a lot of people in mid-state Pennsylvania the past couple of days that keep whispering "muslim" whenever BHOs name came up. He still hasn't been able to remove that idea from a lot of minds.

I sometimes forget that the MSM does not reflect reality.

re: #66 Ojoe

Let's discuss this one:

Obama says "punished with a baby".

Is Obama fit to have immense power, affecting the lives of many other people, if he can so overlook the innocent miracle of a new baby?

I don't think so.

i agree, that "punished w/ a baby" is one of his many 'gaffs' that botheres me the most.
he is talking abt his own daughters here. i shuddered when i heard him use the word 'punished'.
obviously he puts a very low value on the life of a newborn baby that would in fact be his own grandchild. it shows how removed he is from real connections to his own family.
you are right, that cold disconnected person could do anything as potus and be fine w/ any bad repercussions on the rest of us.

re: #112 EC Marm

National Review was founded by William F. Buckley.

re: #101 poteen

I think McCain knows THAT.

I'm waiting for him to come out swinging.

re: #95 doriangrey
Yeah, and keep trying to make an issue out of it on CHARLES' Blog, too!

re: #112 EC Marm

First off, welcome aboard. While I heard some whispers for some time, the first occasion I saw somone calling for the release of the birth certificate was at National Review Online (NRO). Does anyone know their political leanings?

As near as I can tell it's Capitol (L) Libertarian.

re: #110 realwest

And you won't see any more of that than you've seen of John Kerry's form 180.

Democrats almost always accuse republicans what they themselves are doing. Since they went after McCain's citizenship, it's not a stretch to see that perhaps Obama himself had the issue of citizenship.
And given the fact that Obama lies about a lot of things, it's not a stretch to wonder about the truthfulness of this certificate.
However, I agree with focusing on bigger things than this certificate. Obama plays hardball politics with opponents. Keeping our eye on the bigger issues listed in this and other threads are more important.

re: #110 realwest

What I want to know is why McCain released ALL of his MEDICAL records and Obama released..........
a one page letter from his Doctor?

Democrats, since LBJ, have NEVER released their medical records, nor the results from their annual physicals. Republicans, OTOH, well, their medical records are literally an open book, as are the results of their annual physicals.

A HUGE double-standard exists here, and of course, no one at all in the MSM seems to notice.

Obama smokes.

re: #123 rawmuse

Obama smokes.

Smokes what?

re: #124 MandyManners

Smokes what?

cigarettes

re: #123 rawmuse

We know that...the question is what? My guess - Maui Wowee!

re: #120 poteen

And you won't see any more of that than you've seen of John Kerry's form 180.

Here's to making Obama releasing his full medical records as irrelevant as John Kerry releasing his Form 180. In other words, ensuring Obama loses the election.

re: #124 MandyManners

Smokes what?

Thats for him to know only ...

re: #123 rawmuse

Obama smokes.

He is the burning bush.

How many pictures of Obama with a cigarette have we seen in the MSM?

re: #123 rawmuse

Obama smokes.

and apparently he is having a lot of trouble quitting

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian I frankly don't see that the last four are really open to discussion, certainly not these two:
He's an empty suit...open for discussion
He's untested, inexperienced...open for discussion.
I don't see any real room for discussion on those at all.

I actually think that we need to focus on the small things. When attacking Obama on the issues... its tough, he has no history, very little controversy, he has two years in the Senate. Now in the Illinois Senate, thats a different story, but he says he has changed from then, now he is more pro-Constitution, and pro-America.

When you attack Obama on the issues it will get old very fast, "he has little or no experience," its true, but hard to make sound nice.

This is going to be one long election of "you're old and Conservative like George Bush" and "you have no experience and are friends with people who hate America, and might be a socialist, statist."

re: #113 Shug

He was recently diagnosed with egomania

And a touch of Pompousitis

re: #11 zombie

Excellent. I need as many debunked rumors as possible for my Obama Rumor/Obama Fact page.

Hiya zombie - Is it ready yet?

re: #118 realwest

Yeah, and keep trying to make an issue out of it on CHARLES' Blog, too!

Smoke and mirrors, god forbid anyone notice that some people (Charles, LGF Lizards) on the right didn't get fooled.

Here is an old post from I don't know if there should be more added to it?

goddessoftheclassroom
1. Sorry for the all-caps, but I got this as an email from a friend:
DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT? --
HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA .
WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.
HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS .
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?
HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?
HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL. HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?
HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?
HE "WORKED" AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.
THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.
HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.
HE IS PROUD OF HIS "AFRICAN HERITAGE" (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).
WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS "WHITE HERITAGE"? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).
SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.
HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN "AFRO-CENTRIC" CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA .
HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
YEAH RIGHT ! !
DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.
HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES. HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA 'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.
BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?
YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.
I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT, HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.
PEOPLE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ? THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ?
THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY

re: #124 MandyManners

If it matters about Barry Bonds, it matters about Barry Obama. Piss test them both!

I wonder if McCain will test positive for Viagra?

I was always curious about Bill Clinton's medical physical results. Something incriminating there, perhaps? Something involving scandals with any one of a hundred women? Yet, you never heard a thing about his physicals (or Hillary's) in those eight years.

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

You betcha!

re: #113 Shug
LOL! I don't think it was all that recent, was it?!

re: #136 doriangrey

Smoke and mirrors, god forbid anyone notice that some people (Charles, LGF Lizards) on the right didn't get fooled.

"Smoke and Mirrors" should be the name of one of obama's books.
"Smoke and Mirrors - the Early Years"

re: #134 sngnsgt

And a touch of Pompousitis

Eeewwww, inflammation of the Pompous. Is that the kind where it's an oozing pustule in the Pomp, or simply a giant swelling of the pompous side of the brain?

BTW, I have reviewed the original BC form, not Obama's, but the form in use. There is no information there that would embarrass anyone.

re: #89 BignJames

He was on my newsradio station this AM, on Face the Nation. I was totally in shock at the overbearing arrogance, the total chutzpah, of Flip-Flop Hanoi John accusing John McCain, a war hero, of flip-flopping. So help me, Kerry sounded demented.

Sen. Lindsey Graham really did not refute Kerry very well....Bob Schieffer was almost better than he was, which does not say much.

re: #142 VegasRick

"Smoke and Mirrors" should be the name of one of obama's books.
"Smoke and Mirrors - the Early (Fictiony) Years"

re: #110 realwest

Hey EC, how are you today?
Methinks there's something in Senator Obama's medical history - his RECENT medical history, that would do damage to his candidacy.

I'm good. Just back from one of the greatest fireworks shows in the country. About four, forty foot high fireballs warming the air from 300 feet away every time the lyric "great balls of fire" in Jerry Lee Louis' tune was sung. Computers controlling the fireworks display with millisecond accuracy, choreographed to patriotic tunes and simulcast on the radio. As many as 40 plus explosions per second. Good old American ingenuity, mixed with technology with a crowd of 100,000 plus in attendance.
Any thoughts on what medical condition he'd want to hide?

re: #133 jefffrombuffalo

I actually think that we need to focus on the small things. When attacking Obama on the issues... its tough, he has no history, very little controversy, he has two years in the Senate. Now in the Illinois Senate, thats a different story, but he says he has changed from then, now he is more pro-Constitution, and pro-America.

When you attack Obama on the issues it will get old very fast, "he has little or no experience," its true, but hard to make sound nice.

This is going to be one long election of "you're old and Conservative like George Bush" and "you have no experience and are friends with people who hate America, and might be a socialist, statist."

His documents from his time in the Illinois senate are GONE.

I had the link to the story but, I'm having trouble finding it. I'll post it when I can.

re: #142 VegasRick

"Smoke and Mirrors" should be the name of one of obama's books.
"Smoke and Mirrors - the Early Years"

It would have to be the Unauthorized biography... ;O

Obama smokes? Oh yeah. That is only a big deal when conservatives do it. Then they in thrall to Big Tobacco.

re: #141 realwest

LOL! I don't think it was all that recent, was it?!

Chronic egomania with am acute flare up.

An ass whipping on November 3rd is his only change for a cure

re: #151 Shug

Chronic egomania with am acute flare up.

An ass whipping on November 3rd is his only change for a cure

There aint no cure for that, only medication that induces remission in the patient.

Oh, and can anyone define WTF a "community organizer" is/does? Hell, Hermann Goering could've been described as a "community organizer"...so could Stalin, for that matter.

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re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

Like most conspiracy theories, this one will not go away no matter how often it is debunked. The best debunkers can do is ensure that no honest people are taken in by it and that only hard-core conspira-loons provide the future audience.

Otoh, I have heard a potentially profitable interesting new wrinkle. I have it from a good source* that a newly hatched alien was smuggled out of Area 51 in an employee's lunch box in 1961. Coincidence? Inquiring minds will want to know, and pay.

*late night radio caller

Hey, it's possible...I hear Johnny Cash got a Caddy out of the factory that way...what model was it? "...it was a '49, '50, '51, '52....."

re: #149 doriangrey

It would have to be the Unauthorized biography... ;O

"Duuude, why is your head melting!?"

re: #153 6pat6

Oh, and can anyone define WTF a "community organizer" is/does? Hell, Hermann Goering could've been described as a "community organizer"...so could Stalin, for that matter.

They tell people who to vote for. Nice, huh?

The new English language.

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National Review Online.

re: #151 Shug

Chronic egomania with am acute flare up.

An ass whipping on November 3rd is his only change for a cure

it is going to be a hard fall for b.o. he is perched so high now.
he has really bought into the messiah hype from this handlers and the msm.
how can the imbecile not know he is just a puppet. i bet he doesn't even know the 'fainters' were sent by soros.

re: #151 Shug

Chronic egomania with am acute flare up.

Must be the same medicine they advertise for herpes that they use for this!

re: #158 jorline

The new English language.

Sorry...didn't get that link in.

re: #157 rawmuse

You're probably dead-on there.

The first REAL Black President.

re: #156 VegasRick

"Duuude, why is your head melting!?"

Hmmm, that must be my cue to go finish off the case of Samuel Adams I left over my brothers house yesterday...........I hate it when my head melts............

re: #118 realwest

Yeah, and keep trying to make an issue out of it on CHARLES' Blog, too!

What better way to smear Charles and LGF than to make this blog look like a nut case conspiracy hangout.

Man, am I starting to see conspiracies where none exist? ;)

re: #153 6pat6

Oh, and can anyone define WTF a "community organizer" is/does? Hell, Hermann Goering could've been described as a "community organizer"...so could Stalin, for that matter.

ACORN....
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now

Big into fraudulent voter registrations. 5 members in WA State doing time for that. Many investigations and indictments in other states.

A Saul Alinsky group, a communist front group.

BHO worked with ACORN.
ACORN is in his pocket.

re: #147 EC Marm
The only one I can think of - in relation to his ability to be POTUS - would be a history of drug use, and I mean drug use stronger than Pot.
Of course, if he's also afflicted with some life-threatening illness, that could also be the case. But, given all of Obama's criticisms of McCain (through Obama's surrogates, of course) it does seem bizarre, to say the least, that Sen. McCain releases what - hundreds of pages of his medical records and Obama releases..........a doctor's note?. I do find that bizarre and maybe a true trail worth tracking.

re: #148 MandyManners
Mandy your memory is correct on that and I did see it out here on LGF somewhere.
And that destruction of records violated the rules of the Illinois State Government.

re: #137 BBev

AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH! My ears!

re: #168 realwest
His mental confusion when speaking extemporaneously I find troubling. I've been chalking it up to nicotine withdrawal but some folks are saying he's still smoking. I'll have to look at some other possible causes.
Of course the inability to take a firm stand (how many "present" votes does he have?) could belie some underlying organic issue. It scares the begees out of me that someone so young and inexperienced is being seriously considered (by the Dems anyway) for the office.

Rats. Does this mean there will be no throbbing birth certificate?

re: #153 6pat6

Oh, and can anyone define WTF a "community organizer" is/does? Hell, Hermann Goering could've been described as a "community organizer"...so could Stalin, for that matter.

"Community organizer" is a polite way of saying "ward boss" or "fixer". It is just someone with political connections who will use them for your benefit... if the price is right.

re: #137 BBev

It was too goo to leave in all caps, so I fixed it, just the capitalization part (might have missed one or two)).

goddessoftheclassroom
1. Sorry for the all-caps, but I got this as an email from a friend:
Do I have this straight? --
His father was a black African Muslim from Kenya .
We have seen pictures of his African family.
His mother was a white American atheist from Kansas .
Where are the pictures of his American family?
His father deserted his mother when he was only two years old and went back to Africa by way of Harvard University . How? Was his father wealthy?
His mother married an Indonesian Muslim and then moved to Jakarta where he was enrolled in a Muslim school .
When he reached high school age his mother sent him to Hawaii to be with his white grandparents and he was put into an expensive private school. He later went to Harvard University . How? Were his grandparents rich?
He lives in a $1.4 million house obtained through a deal with a wealthy fundraiser. How?
He "worked" as a civil rights activist in Chicago . He has never held a productive job or received a pay check that was not government-funded and/or taypayer supported.
The presidency is not a civil rights position, nor is it subject to affirmative action set asides; on-the-job training won't cut it.
He entered politics at the state level and then the national level where he has minimal experience.
He is proud of his "African heritage" (a father who got a white girl pregnant and deserted her).
Where is the pride in his "white heritage"? (a mother who flaunted convention and did not believe in God).
Some might think there was not much to be proud of either way.
He belongs, and has belonged for over 20 years, to an "Afro-centric" church in Chicago that hates whites, hates Jews, and blames America for all the world's perceived faults. (including creating the AIDS virus in order to inflict it on Africans).
He repeatedly whitewashes the pastor, his church and the members who cheered after hearing vitriolic tirades against America .
He could not confront his pastor but he wants us to believe he can confront North Korea and Iran ?
Yeah right ! !
During his very brief time in the United States senate he has managed to amass the number one ultra liberal voting record out of the one hundred members.
He has voted consistently for bigger government and higher taxes. He has voted for big entitlements and legislation that would severely curtail America 's ability to fight terrorism and to protect our borders and our national interests around the world.
But, he is a good orator. Isn't that a comfort?
Yeah, I think I see how well he could unite the country.
I think the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to our new chief pilot He has never flown an airplane, in fact, he has never even sat in the cockpit, but he says he has ridden on planes before. We are sure he will guide us safely through the storms we may encounter on this flight.
People, what are you thinking? Have you never heard the story about the wolf hiding in sheep's clothing so he can destroy them from with-in ? The hand writing is on the wall, do you not have eyes to see it ?
Think long and hard before you vote for this guy

Huh. All that work and I can't even spell good. goo = good.

I think it matters less whether the birth certificate is authentic than whether the candidate is authentic, which he is not.

Besides, if it is a fake, let's wait till AFTER Denver to drop that bomb, shall we?

If you say so Charles. Minor point anyway. Sen. Obama was born to a US Citizen, as was George Romney.

-S-

re: #11 zombie

Excellent. I need as many debunked rumors as possible for my Obama Rumor/Obama Fact page.

Do you have anything on BHO and the Selective Service? I can't seem to find out whether or not he ever registered, but I do believe he was not a "notch baby" for the Selective Service. I will check your site later, I am just quick scanning this thread for info.

Andy McCarthy at National Review Online for July 6th writes: " This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved."

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I agree with one of the comments (posted by Combat)to this excellent Strata wrap-up. I too have always thought many people are missing the point. I never doubted he was born in the USA. (Why would a pregnant teenage Mom suddenly leave Hawaii (or Seattle)?

The point is that instead of releasing a scanned copy of the original birth certificate from 1961 (that he mentioned he saw in his book); Obama's site and allies post the current date equivalent you get when you request a new copy of your old birth certificate. Why? He could have lost the old one. Or there could be information on the old one that is no longer reported on the new one. Such as RELIGION.
My guess is the original says MUSLIM for Mom, for baby as well as for Papa. (It may not say it for baby but saying Mom is Muslim would be enough.) Remember both of her "husbands" were Muslim. Would it be likely that an 18 year old in love would list her religion as the same as the man she was marrying whose child she was bearing?

It was fun while it lasted but I never brought it, I figured that the US Secret service would know this and he would never have gotten this far if there were any doubts.

I knew it was too good to be true.

IIRC there were unauthorized looks at his passport file in the State Department, If there was anything contradictory in it, I believe it would of gotten reported somewhere. IIRC a contractor got fired for looking.
AGE

re: #174 frodolives
To all the list was from

goddessoftheclassroom

I have just been saving it.

re: #181 bungie

My birth certificate does not list religion. Gross racial characteristics Caucasian/Far East (or something similar)/Negro (remember I am an old coot when that was an ok term to use)/etc. yes. Religion no. Listing religion usually only happens when religion is something that is important in society such as the ME. The formality of lineage in Muslims is that it follows the father, so in theory BO was a Muslim at the time of his birth. What he did later is his business. It is similar to the Jewish tradition which follows the mother. Since they had so many folks coming through and raping the men, children, women, cows, trees and fence posts, it was often difficult if not impossible to know who the father was. Thus if the mother was Jewish, so were her children.

It is highly likely that he was indeed born in Hawaii. However, there are open questions as to the nature of his citizenship. If his step father adopted him and declared him to be an Indonesian citizen, it complicates stuff if he wants to claim he was a "natural born American citizen". This on top of the legalese that has to do with somebody who has an American parent and a parent who is a citizen of a foreign country.

I read just about everything there was to read. I was convinced. I told people about it. I guess I won't talk about it anymore. But it made sense a lot.

Don't know who is the expert, not me. I still don't see the dual folds or the relief when a paper is scanned. I see the faint embossing and reverse date, but not the signature on the bottom left. It may very well be real, but something smells fishy. I'll wait for further info.

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#180 mosse

Thanks for the link. McCarthy also said:

If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it.

I heard a guy on John & Ken's talk show on my way home from work a couple of weeks ago and they had a guest who was also born in Hawaii three years after Obama. He claimed the birth certificate is a fraud. He tried to get his own b/c and said they are only sent through the mail, hence each certificate will have two folds on it...he went on and on, and sounded plausible. Since I haven't heard anyone else going after it, I can only assume the birth certificate is genuine, but the hairs on the back of my neck are still standing up.

Bottom line, if there were the slightest hint Obama wasn't an American citizen, you know Hillary would be all over this.

The headline on my posted link above:

Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims

That was Bryan Suits (in John and Ken's time slot). And yes, he said they worked for 3 hours and couldn't make theirs look like Obama's (sans folds, etc.). He asked if there was any way to get it without folds, and they told him "no, it has to be sent in an envelope".

I don't think it's fake, but it's really squirrelly.

Oh, and here's a link to the podcast where they talk about all the issues.

[Link: a1135.g.akamai.net...]

Messiah = Virgin Birth. End of story.

How to Ensure the Election of an Unqualified Candidate
Or, the "Cry Wolf" Strategy

Step 1: Start rumors about Obama's non-citizenship.

Step 2: Release birth certificate through unofficial channels, in a manner calculated to raise questions.

Step 3: Release stories "debunking" unofficially-released birth certificate.

Step 4: Let rumors and speculation build as "debunking" is discussed and re-discussed.

Step 5: Sucker-punch those speculating about birth certificate by releasing the genuine certificate after rumors have reached fever pitch.

Step 6: Release of genuine birth certificate makes opponents of unqualified candidate look like hysterical rumor-mongers. All legitimate issues relating to unqualified candidate will henceforth be ignored or disparaged as coming from unreliable sources.

Step 7: With all legitimate issues and criticism dismissed out of hand, unqualified candidate wins in a walk.

re: #131 nyc redneck

and apparently he is having a lot of trouble quitting

Maybe if Soros would stop enabling him...

Good conspiracy theory. For sure. It was begun on NRO so it wasn't planned by the Obama people.

Personally, if Charles says we're barking up the wrong tree, I'll back off.

All hail to the great lizard leader.

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

Step 7: With all legitimate issues and criticism dismissed out of hand, unqualified candidate wins in a walk.

Only point I'll disagree with. Especially if BHO needs the state of Pennsylvania to win. I hung around a crowd of about 100,000 mid-state Pennsylvanians yesterday. Not one bumper sticker, t-shirt, hat or any sign of BHO support whatsoever. BHO only exists as a viable candidate in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and those two cities will make the contest somewhat tight.

re: #185 BBev

Thanks for clarifying for those unaware. You're welcome for the lower case version.

re: #198 EC Marm

I would love to be wrong.

re:#186 Shr_Nfr

I agree. I've looked at the old birth certificates in my possession as to what information they give: from New York (race but no religion), Ohio (race but no religion), New Jersey (race but no religion). BUT, I remember seeing an example of an old Hawaiian birth certificate from 1961 (not Obama's, someone posting who happened to be born there and then) on one of these blogs (don't remember where, could be here or something linked to LGF) that listed religion of mother and of father. Is there anyone out there that has such an old Hawaiian birth certificate, so we can see what information was on the original that Obama may want to avoid releasing?

I know Islam goes by the father's line, so technically it makes no difference, but for the American public if Mom is listed as Muslim that would likely be seen as directly contradicting Obama's claim that "he is not and never was a Muslim." Remember he never lived with his father, but he did live with his mother to the age of 10 and thus the religious culture of the home and his upbringing would be relevant. The significance may be found more in his lie than in the fact that his mother may have converted to Islam. When I look at the family photo of his Mom and the second husband in Indonesia sitting together posed for the camera, I don't see the hippie intellectual we have been led to believe Obama's mother was. I see a very properly dressed and coifed, subservient wifely sort, albeit sans Hijab, but yet . . . .

Charles is right. The more time spent even discussing this non-issue is time wasted. Looking for skeletons in the closet is also a waste of time. BHM has given us all the ammo we need to take him down from his own mouth.

I do not think the love fest that the MSM has with Obama will last until the general election. The press will revert to their favorite sport which is tearing down that which they themselves have built up. They won't be able to help themselves.

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

I would love to be wrong.

Hey, you've got about a 99.999% "right-on" rating in my opinion. But right now I'm seeing a case of 'buyers remorse' of landslide proportions.

I'm having a difficult time letting go of this.

Still no official comment from the BHO campaign.

The Hawaiian state official in charge of birth certificates said she could not be sure it was the document (she couldn't authenticate it).

This story is alive.

Sorry Charles. Sorry sane friends.

I sent the links from Israel Insider to 13 friends this morning before I read this thread and subsequently capitulated to the hoax theory.

I just pasted the links in my subject email box.

They all came back. I can't remember this happening before. Maybe in a long time.

Then somebody replied that he got it, but it wouldn't open unless I had some kind of Google account. I couldn't understand it.

Unless...somebody's watching.

re: #206 Plato

Then somebody replied that he got it, but it wouldn't open unless I had some kind of Google account. I couldn't understand it.
Unless...somebody's watching.

&#9834 scary music &#9834
Of course they are.

#195 buzzsawmonkey

How to Ensure the Election of an Unqualified Candidate
Or, the "Cry Wolf" Strategy

I think you just nailed O's strategy. It doesn't make any sense to rational people to keep the drama going - so why not just hand over the b/c? Could it be because narcissists and manipulators use a proven tactic called deflection and distraction, thereby keeping their opponents from shining any light on important issues?

Dick Morris may be calling you...

Well, not quite, while the abstract of a Certificate of Birth may be accurate, it, like a bikini, reveals much, but covers the most important part; the details of Obama's birth. If you examine the document, it only summarizes certain facts of Obama's birth. It, however, was not created in 1961, it is a computer generated and printed document. Not many computers in Hawaii in '61. Those of this site's dear readers older than, say 20 years of age, should examine their own original birth certificates, regardless of state. Now, don't examine an abstract, but the original certificate signed by the physician who delivered you. Back then and for some years afterward blank certificates were issued by county governments to physicians and hospitals for their lawful use. These certificates are quite distinctive and they look nothing like the abstract with minimal information that is being reviewed on the internet. There is no signature of the attending physician and, more importantly, no boxes filled in with type written or hand written information. Just check out your own original certificate.

The other issue is the original certifcate. Is it an comteraneously issued certificate or is it what is known as a late birth certificate. What is that? It is in most aspects it is identical to a birth certificate issued to someone born in the jurisdiction of the issuing authority. Late birth certificates though are issued to a person who may or may not have been born in the jurisdiction or even on the date on the certificate. They were orginally created for those allegedly not able to record their births. The usual claim was that they lived so far in the country side that there was no convient way to get to the county seat, or did not have an attending physician or midwife. However, it has now been adopted by illegal immigrants as a way to obtain citizenship, especially for illegal alien minors. Many jurisdictions, especially those in California freely issue late birth certificates based on little valid evidence, usually only asking for notorized statements or easily created "baptismal certificates." Now, I am not claiming the Messiah is an illegal alien, but, if he was born overseas, his family easily could have obtained a late birth certificate and falsely claimed he was born in Hawaii. The necessary clue for a late birth certificate is the date of issue of the certificate, and, of course, the missing details, such as physicians signature.

The Messiah can halt all this speculation if he just releases the original certificate.

However, I think he refuses because he realizes that no matter where he was born, he is alien to America. His religion is a crazed neo-pagan worship of Africa with it's attendant racism; His politics are a fear of Christianity, fealty to homosexuals, hatred of any speech that he opposes; abortion first, last and always; His economics is a hatred of free enterprise and hard work; His ideals are a welfare state for all, with, presumably, the Chinese providing all the goods and services that all these people with free time need.

He probably is not an alien, but he sure is alienated from what America is.

#207 EC Marm

Loved that video! Really, really creepy.

re: #18 Sharmuta

I think our side is much better served by going after the man's positions and affiliations than some wishful pipe dream that there is a magic document (or videotape) that will knock him out.

Yep. If any of that existed, Hitlary and her minions would have used it already.

re: #209 federale86
Very good post. Welcome aboard, btw.
I tend to agree with you that the original birth certificate that BHO has mentioned in one of his books is available to him. But there may be one or two or more items on it that he may not want to be known, or could Constitutionally nullify his chances of being President. This "Certification of Birth" he released to Kos (of all places?) may provide just enough information to get him a pass. But it won't stop the whispers. Sometimes a whisper has more power than a shout.

Here's what I want to know;

"If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

We all know she was only 18 when she gave birth to OHB.

Wouldn't that technically make him a Kenyan, as well as a "Bastard" because his daddy was still married to his wife back in Kenya?

re: #213 Dotcoman

Wouldn't that technically make him a Kenyan, as well as a "Bastard" because his daddy was still married to his wife back in Kenya?

Minus 10 political correctness points for the use of "Bastard" in that sentence. It is "child of a rich, vibrant heritage, to differentially and technically unmarried parents."

Step 1:
We admitted we were powerless over the developing missing Obama birth certificate story. That our thoughts had become unmanageable.

You start at the left and you swing to the right.
Then you change your story just to get you through the night.
You step out front cause the press has got your back
You got the charm, it's more than years you lack.

And when you get the press just to do just what you say
You're doin' the Honolulu Hoosay

At first you say you're really gonna get them out.
Then you move to the center and you twist and shout.
It don't matter what you say today.
Or if it contradicted something yesterday.

'Cause when you get the press to do just what you say,
You're doin' the Honolulu Hoosay

I'd like to see a copy of his original 1961 birth certificate. Has anyone seen this-- can anyone post it? Why are we only seeing a very recent version of the birth certificate, when the original should be available?

I hate to burst everyone's bubble here but....

Strata says

The date stamp from last year is clear, the stamp of the seal and signature area is less clear, but that just means someone applied little pressure - it is the ink that counts

Everyone needs to clearly understand what embossing is. There is no ink involved. Embossing is the process of putting paper in between a machine that crimps (physically alters) the paper into a 3D-like image on both sides.

This “embossing” on the Obama birth certificate is a forgery, period.

An original birth certificate is a legitimate question.

"Crying wolf" is very plausible. However, if that's what BO is doing, hopefully the onus would be turned back on him of deliberate prolongation, of not doing the simple and easy action that would answer the question. His unwillingness to be transparent contradicts his claims of uniter, etc.

He's continuing this charade because it's working. The way to make it end is for him to get that it's not going to work.

Also, please raise your hand if you think this document is a scanned paper document?

re: #218 frodolives

An original birth certificate is a legitimate question.

"Crying wolf" is very plausible. However, if that's what BO is doing, hopefully the onus would be turned back on him of deliberate prolongation, of not doing the simple and easy action that would answer the question. His unwillingness to be transparent contradicts his claims of uniter, etc.

He's continuing this charade because it's working. The way to make it end is for him to get that it's not going to work.

You misunderstand. Getting his opponents to bay after a false trail is tricking his opponents--people here, for example--into crying wolf and thereby discrediting anything else that is offered up as reason for voting against him.

Is it possible--just barely--that Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the US? Yes. But the likelihood of this being the case is far less than the possibility that this is being dangled tantalizingly so that his opponents will run around in circles chasing their tails on the issue, to the neglect of shining light on his record, his associates, his proposals--and with the ultimate objective that the tail-chasing will be used to discredit what is said about his record, his associates, and his proposals: "How can you believe what they say about these things? Look at how obsessed they were about the non-issue of his birth certificate! These are merely hate-filled partisans who will stop at nothing! Hope! Change!"

One other thing: merely saying "It is forged!" without proof that it is, and without countervailing proof that there is a certificate with information that is substantially and damagingly different, is of a piece with the people who, when asked why they oppose Bush, say, "He lied!" without being able to say what Bush supposedly lied about.

This is not only a non-issue, but the more people obsess about it the more they damage effective opposition to the Obama candidacy.

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

OK, let's think this through.

ONLY 2 options exist.

1. The BC is real, except:
They digitally altered the government document to remove the paper folds and to hide the embossed state seal and the signature line. What reason would they have for doing this?

Should the American people be made aware of a Presidential candidate that would stoop to this level of dirty tricks?

2. The BC is forged:
The state seal is not embossed and is counterfeit.

What would the American voter think of someone who attempted to pass off a forged document on them?

Either way, it's not good for Obama.

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Why do you put this in terms of either or?

I think we can handle both attack lines, thank you.

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

One other thing: merely saying "It is forged!" without proof that it is

The proof is that the required embossed state seal is missing.

OT-
Went over to Isreallycools site and found out his Dad past away on the 4th. Take care Dave, our prayers are with you.

re: #222 faraway

re: #223 faraway

re: #224 faraway

Nonsense.

You can hop up and down screaming "It's forged! It's forged!" all you want to. All you end up doing is looking like a rightwing version of Wilson, Plame & Co.--but to the detriment of any actual opposition to Obama.

Show me an unimpeachably genuine birth certificate that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the circumstances of Obama's birth preclude him from the office of President, and I will admit that there is something to discuss here. In the meantime, park your Swiftboat dreams at the door.

This is a non-issue.

re: #224 faraway

Hey faraway,
Maybe it's real and maybe it's forged. But why are they letting it hang out there, to discredit bloggers? If that's all they got, doesn't worry me. They can't win on the issues, it's just attack the attackers blah blah blah.
It's as much of an issue as anything else we talk about, the MSM won't bring it up. If it's real then it's real, no big deal. Just show me the doc.

Sorry, I am unconvinced.

The author believes that the "Seal" is a "stamp". He is absolutely wrong on that.
A "seal" is a hand pressure device that physically imprints the raised design on the paper. It is not an ink stamp.
Examples have been shown on Israel insider and I have seen a number of others from other states.
That slight, almost invisible "bleed through" of a seal bears no resemblance to the comparison example at Israelinsider.

In fact, the highly magnified "stamp" on the alleged Obama certificate shows quite clearly that it is not a raised seal.
Compare the image presented of the "bleed through" to this image
[Link: www.valeehill.net...]

What is puzzling is that Obama has not authorized a release to the media directly from Hawaiian officials.

re: #226 buzzsawmonkey

This is a non-issue.

Yet who can forget the embarrassment of the 2000 election when some sore loser took his non-case before the Supreme Court? If I was BHO I would want to put a slam dunk on this for a couple of reasons:
1. There already is a whispering campaign that I've picked up on relating to his religion. His Stop the Smears dot com (or whatever it is called) is not going to put a stop to that.
2. I can already see the next whispering campaign; he can't take office because he's not a natural born citizen, the VP will have to assume the position, it's going to go before the Supreme Court, etc.
In my opinion, it is political suicide for him to not release his original birth certificate to a reputable media person.
But why am I giving free advice to the Democrats? Maybe because I'd like to have a fair fight, I'd prefer he got beaten on the issues, but human nature/character being what it is, you can't control what some people are going to say and do.

re: #228 captdiggs
There's absolutely nothing like that imprint on the Kos CoB. I have a corporate seal, that I used for years, and the bank I dealt with would not accept some limp impression on a corporate resolution. They wanted that sucker squeezed through the sheet.

re: #227 rockdad

Yes, this whole birth certificate issue could be real or a red herring designed to entrap us. But, it’s a darn good red herring at that.

Since we are not dealing with the original paper document (which may no longer exist) discussions of the authenticity of the electronic photoshop version is mostly and exercise in futility.

I read the comments at The Strata-Sphere site a came across some serious decent. The decent from DaleinAtlanta 06 Jul 2008 1:50 pm is interesting because it links to a site which claims a Koskiddie obtained to a blank birth certificate from an other individual with the child’s name of Haye I. B. Ahporgerie and merely put in Obama’s name and information on it – making several revision along the way (Name: Hey I be a forgery). This KosKiddie may be the same one who created the fake press ID for Code Pink.

See Dalein Atlanta

See: Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, 90% down page

[But another twist]

With all due respect, I beg to differ...
Polarik - U.S.A, 07/05/2008 22:40 IT

Sorry to disagree with other theorists on this matter, but my analyses prove that OpenDNA's images -- both of them -- came directly from the Kos image. Absolutely, 100%, no doubt. The "little dot" as one person has called it is actually an anomaly -- a piece of junk on the scanner glass or on the COLB itself.

What is throwing people off are the differences in the resolution of the images and not the size or quality.

The ONLY reason, then, why OpenDNA's image appears of "higher quality" is there difference in resolution.

OpenDNA's images are 800 x 781 - exact scale reductions from 2427 x 2369, and by changing the resolution to 96 DPI from 300 DPI was not done just to make them look better...But, when you look at the Kos image and OpenDNA's images simiarly-sized, under edge detection, the "dot" looks huge compared to the tiny dot of OpenDNA's. When you enlarge OpenDNA's image to Kos size, that "well-defined, rock" looks positively smeared on OpenDNA's image.

...I invite you to visit my my blog, polarik.blogtownhall.com, where I compare "apples to apples" instead of "apples to guacamole," by slicing off the upper right-hand corner of each image after setting all images to the same size and resolution, namely 2427 x 2369, 96 DPI...I also left the images unmarked because, by now, you should know that the "dot" in question lies right below the E in "CERTIFICATION" and directly to the right of "STATE OF HAWAII."

My thesis is this:

In the beginning..." Dr X. took a certified COLB, OR an image of one that DID NOT BELONG TO OBAMA, scanned or copied it, and then proceeded to Photoshop out two of the three folds, and all of the field headers and data, using pieces of the background and the HEALING tool to blend them...

Then, with a blank typed in the filed names and the MODIFIED data fields to make it look like a COLB from BHO.

...Kos, who then proceeded to proudly display it on its web page on June 12th. Before "Smears" posted their copy of the same image, on the same day, the authenticity was challenged by OpenDNA, and produced two of his own faked COLBs as evidence of how easy it is to make a fake.

I gotta give him poetic props for using "Haye I. B. Ahforgerie" as a data field. Nothing says "faked" like "Hey, I be a forgery."

...the Smears.. replaced it with one almost half its size, and not proportional, either, so that when you enlarged it, the "OHSM" was so blurry...

BOTTOM LINE: If Obama's COLB really DOES EXIST ...we have NOT seen it, and probably will never see it.

These forged images all came from one, "proto-image," which... proves only that Dr X. had to start with a COLB template.
...EVERYTHING from the first fold on down was recreated graphically. And not convincingly...

Lots of room under the bus for the CLB.

Charles:
It doesn't throb, because I was afraid of an object permanence issue, so I set it to a two second delay between images. But this shows what I'm talking about. Where's the seal on the Kos image?

Lurkers:
(Big graphic file, give it time to load and switch.)

Snopes and UrbanLegend have brushed the whole mess aside because Obama was born in HI after the islands became a state and because of his mother's American citizenship. They say that that is all that is required in the Constitution.

The odd thing is that the issue of his mother's age (18) in 1961 was brushed aside even though Findlaw refers to US citizenshio statutes affecting 1961 whereby a single American parent must be at least 21 years of age to transfer citizenship,

There are only two reasons to get excited about the birth certificate:
(1) Barack is not a natural born citizen and is therefore not entitled to run for POTUS or;
(2) The birth certificate contains other information such as reference to the Muslim religion or another named father, not Barack Jr.

I had to order a birth certificate of that kind when I first applied for a passport. It was from a different state, but the raised seal was imprinted on it with such inadequate pressure that when I handed it to the postal clerk with my passport application, his initial reaction was to tell me it wasn't valid because the raised seal was missing. Only on very careful examination did he decide the faint impression was good enough to send in and let someone else worry about.

I'm sure the raised seal on my own BC would never show in a scanned copy. So I'm not too surprised about the problem of finding a noticeable raised seal in the scanned image of the BHO certificate.

re: #235 krypto

I'm sure the raised seal on my own BC would never show in a scanned copy. So I'm not too surprised about the problem of finding a noticeable raised seal in the scanned image of the BHO certificate.

Look at the revision date at the lower left of the CoLB. November, 2001. So the Obama CoLB had to be printed after that date. Did some event occur earlier that year that might have caused government employees to be more careful about producing official documents?
It's printed on 24# paper. If the seal was impressed right after coming out of the laser printer, when the paper is heated to 300 degrees or so, even the wimpiest clerk could have created a strong imprint. Even using light to moderate pressure on the stamp would have created a scannable impression.
I don't know. There would be nothing like picking the document up and holding it to the light. Instead it got passed to a partisan blog.

Only 2 options remain for the COLB on Obama's website:

1. it is "doctored" at best, or
2. it is forged.

Either option looks bad for Obama.

If the COLB is real, then the image has been doctored. Someone digitally removed the state seal and the top crease. Plus they completely hid the center crease. Why would Obama doctor this image?

Well this has ruined my day.

I posted a bunch of thoughts a here ([Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and on another site about this. None of which have to do with Photoshop and timelines on DailyKOS.

First, It doesn't matter if a web site posts a forged or manipulated document - no electronic version is valid for any purpose. The posted documents satisfied the curiosity of casual observers and allowed the campaign website to reframe the issue on to more favorable terms (born in a territory versus a state).

Second, I can't find clear standing for anyone to compel the production of a document from a candidate or President-elect; other than the House of Representatives. ( If anyone has a spare intern and a Lexis/FindLaw account to run this down, I would love to see the results of a more thorough search?)

The McCain campaign and RNC will not touch this for the same reasons Charles and many of the commenter's here have identified. Esp. this year with immigration and terrorism as hot issues. Despite those concerns, significant inconsistencies remain and should be addressed. If not to attack Mr. Obama, then to look at a complex Constitutional issue that may arise in the future.

Imagine if a Republican ran for President, won a clear majority of the electoral votes, and despite questions about his qualification - he may have had a "tax" residence in the Caymans ten years ago - presented himself and his electors before a friendly Congress. The Speaker devises a jury to review the "evidence", and based on that decision qualifies him as President. Is every future Presidential election going to go to the Supreme Court?

John McCain was concerned enough about his benign background to address the matter before the Congress. Mr. Obama has dual citizenship questions, changed his name, and had a very unorthodox upbringing. Why doesn't he clearly address these issues?

Obama's father is listed as African. I am sure I read on another blog that Hawaii has always used "Black". African is not a race. Who is right?

re: #51 Macker

I still think Hillary's got something up her sleeve which she's saving for Denver.

My take is somewhat different. I believe also that Hillary has some thing or means of wrecking Obama's election run. However she will not have her 'fingerprints" on it whenever it happens. It will be touted as coming from a right wing source. Hillary will rush in to "help' Obama in his time of need. Back him 1000% as was said in 1972. When he falls by the wayside she will take up his torch and run as the one who will continue Obama's dream of Hope and Change. Her goal is the Presidency not just the nomination.

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks for the succinct clarification. I tend to condense my writing when in a hurry. So yes, I did understand the strategy of getting BO's opponents to cry wolf, but shortened it and thus made it unclear.

I still think the onus is on BO. Yes, the birth certificate issue takes attention away from the real issues. But rather than letting his supporters discredit criticism of BO, the focus for this should be turned right back onto BO for his lack of transparency. Perhaps the following post says it better:

re: #239 de La Valette

John McCain was concerned enough about his benign background to address the matter before the Congress. Mr. Obama has dual citizenship questions, changed his name, and had a very unorthodox upbringing. Why doesn't he clearly address these issues?

IOW, playing childish games and trapping by trickery citizens who disagree with you is not Presidential behavior. Shine the light on his behavior.

Hmmmm.

Sorry but I don't buy a lot of AJ-Strata's explanation.

1. Both the BHO and Decosta certs have the same exact version and revision numbers but they're dramatically different. Both in wording of the text and in the border areas.

2. For some odd reason AJ-Strata seems to think that the bamboo weave security pattern on the paper is actually from a graphics program.

Uhhh. NO.

That pattern is there to prevent modification and is imprinted directly onto the paper by the manufacturer.

3. Race = African?

Since when is "African" a race? Africa is a huge continent with many different races. Using "African" is like putting "American" on a cert.

re: #244 edr
I'm with you, let's see his bona fides. Otherwise, no original certified and sealed certificate, no nomination, no election for BHO.

As for standing to seek an injunction in Federal Court, before the DNC convention - any registered Democrat. After he is nominated - any registered voter.

Obama doesn't want you to see his real birth certificate because it says he was born on Mars in a cloning facility run by the Trilateral Commission.

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