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Obama: Don't Worry, I'm Still Planning to Surrender

Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:32:55 am PDT

After using the radical left for his entire political career, Barack Obama is clumsily flip-flopping his way toward something resembling a “center.” His latest policy double-backflip caused so much rage in the Nutroots that he’s now trying to reassure them his plan to surrender and retreat hasn’t changed one bit: Obama ‘puzzled’ by Iraq comment frenzy.

ST. LOUIS (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Saturday his plan to end the Iraq war was unchanged and he was puzzled by the sharp reaction to his statement this week that he might “refine” his timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat troops.

“For me to say that I’m going to refine my policies I don’t think in any way is inconsistent with prior statements and doesn’t change my strategic view that this war has to end and that I’m going to end it as president,” Obama told reporters on his campaign plane.

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1 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:33:30am

Well, that's a relief!

2 me  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:10am

I feel better now, don't we all?

3 ec marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:23am

We're winning. Pack up and run!
Obama strategy

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:29am

"Refine"! It's the new way to waffle.

5 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:33am

He needs to evolve a second mouth so he can speak revolution to the Nutroots and centrism to the clingers simultaneously.

6 pat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:53am

Hard to keep up with this fellow. He is just too smart.

7 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:56am

hopefully he'll provide our enemies with dates and times.so as they can bide their time.
/

8 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:34:57am

Be sure to publicize exact timetables, troop data, and locations, Obama. We wouldn't want any of our enemies to have trouble planning attacks on them.

*spit on Obama*

9 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:35:29am

Hope and Refine !

10 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:35:33am

Right. Pee on my shoes, tell me it's raining.

11 MacGregor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:35:44am

Soon he'll be saying his patriotic duty of national introspection won the war.

12 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:36:43am

Well, he does like waffles.

13 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:36:58am
doesn’t change my strategic view that this war has to end and that I’m going to end it as president

No matter what that means for the Iraqis and the region?

14 MacGregor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:37:20am

re: #1 zombie

Hey zombie - Looking forward to your obama fact page!

15 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:37:59am

Or, alternately, he can take a cue from Eric Idle and finish every sentence with, "Wink wink, know what I mean?"

"What this country needs...is change! Wink wink, know what I mean?"

16 Shug  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:38:18am
For me to say that I’m going to refine my policies I don’t think in any way is inconsistent with prior statements and doesn’t change my strategic view that this war has to end and that I’m going to end it as president,”

His strategy : Baffle them with bullshit!

Hope
change

17 Archimedes  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:38:27am

I think it's important to keep in mind that Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Given how left wing many of those people are, that is saying something. His prior actions are far more important than his campaign rhetoric when it comes to judging what he will do.

18 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:38:30am

re: #14 MacGregor

Hey zombie - Looking forward to your obama fact page!

Me too!

Saving the world takes time.

19 joecitizen  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:38:58am

how long until these wackjobs claim credit for victory in Iraq and elsewhere due to their constant hassling and nitpicking of this administration? I give it 5..4..3..

20 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:39:32am
Obama said he did not make a mistake with his earlier choice of words in describing his Iraq position -- even though he called a second news conference a few hours after his initial comments to clarify his stance.

Ummm, huh ?

21 MacGregor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #18 zombie

That it Does.

22 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:40:03am

Obama will not pull anyone out of anywhere. If elected (God forbid) his Military advisors will tell him to STFD and STFU and let them run this war until we win it. Obama is a pandering liar.

23 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:40:36am

Obama was against the Born Alive Infant Protection act. He's against the Born Alive Iraqi Protection Strategy.

It's all of a piece.

24 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:40:55am

re: #22 VegasRick

Obama will not pull anyone out of anywhere. If elected (God forbid) his Military advisors will tell him to STFD and STFU and let them run this war until we win it. Obama is a pandering liar.

Actually, we've already won it. We're now just maintaining an occupation. The war is utterly and completely won.

25 Shug  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:41:01am
this war has to end and that I’m going to end it as president


Finally somebody will pull our troops out of Bosnia!


/

26 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:41:50am

re: #24 zombie

Actually, we've already won it. We're now just maintaining an occupation. The war is utterly and completely won.

Good point.

27 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:41:59am

B-HO is soooo far Left that he'd have to circumnavigate his brain to get anywhere near the center. And, as we all know, his head is 24,000 miles in diameter.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:42:16am

Is constant inconsistency consistent?

29 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:42:17am

The only "center" B. Hussein Obama represents is the rotten heartwood of the American left's naivety.

30 Geepers  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:42:24am
He laid the blame with reporters.

Yeah, it's the reporters fault he's an idiot.

31 Catttt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:42:25am

Senator Obama might want to hurry, or he'll miss his change to lose, since we are winning.

32 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:42:44am

re: #25 Shug

It means "and when I'm President, I'm going to take credit and call it victory."

The hell he will. He'll be licking his wounds back in Chicago, planning how to use his name recognition to do whatever more damage he can.

33 Catttt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:06am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is constant inconsistency consistent?

Ouch. That gave me a brain cramp.

34 Atweber  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:15am

ok you win we're outta here

35 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:18am

re: #5 zombie

He needs to evolve a second mouth so he can speak revolution to the Nutroots and centrism to the clingers simultaneously.

He can speak out of both ends of his body.
We're just never sure which one he's speaking out of at any given time.

36 Aylios  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:25am

Wow, Jacque Chirac couldn't have said that more eloquently than Obama did.

37 Catttt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:42am

re: #31 Catttt

Senator Obama might want to hurry, or he'll miss his change to lose, since we are winning.

Oooh, Freudian PIMF. "his chance to lose."

38 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:43:54am

B-HO can't get anywhere near the center of anything, even with the help of his chartered Gulfstream V...!

39 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:44:33am

Notice Obama never, ever talks about the Iraqis. It's all "me, me me."

40 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:04am

re: #39 godfrey

That's the only note he can sing --- "mi, mi, mi, mi!"

41 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:06am

I'm sure all his friends comrades think cutting and running like little whipped dogs is the best war strategy:

Brave Sir Obama ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Obama turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Obama!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge...

Isn't this the French "Paper Tiger" Strategy?

42 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:09am

With power comes responsibility. And this idiot just isn't up to it.

43 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:15am

re: #31 Catttt

Senator Obama might want to hurry, or he'll miss his change to lose, since we are winning.

What if Pres Bush got the troops out by Jan 09 with a complete and decisive victory, the Iraqi's reward us by selling us oil on the cheap therby stimulating the economy. What would this asshole have to say then?

44 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:26am

Narcissist:

"There is a learning curve and growth being a presidential candidate. I think I'm a much better candidate now than I was six months ago or 12 months ago. I think I'll be a better communicator and even more effective six months from now."

Too late.

45 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:46am

re: #22 VegasRick

Obama will not pull anyone out of anywhere. If elected (God forbid) his Military advisors will tell him to STFD and STFU and let them run this war until we win it. Obama is a pandering liar.

Isn't he already surrounded by military advisers who back him?

46 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:51am

anyone on the fence abt. voting for b.o. has probably jumped off into our greener pastures.
he may say he's redefining but it's obvious he's lying.

47 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:45:52am

Refine

Distraction

Inartful

Context

Would be kind of fun to keep a tally on how many times the Obama uses these.

48 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:05am

This just in....
New BHO video.

49 stevieray  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:11am

How can he end a war that has already ended? Its just mop-up time over there -- busting up the few remaining hold-outs dreaming of a new caliphate.

50 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:16am

re: #24 zombie

We are not going anywhere. We still have bases in Germany, for crying out loud. The whole premise of pulling out is a lie. Hillary knew it, because Bush gave her a private heads up. Obama is like a child that still believes in the tooth fairy, as are his base.

51 realwest  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #30 Geepers
Hey Geepers! Hope you're doing well today. I wonder how long he can get away with blaming reporters before the MSM starts telling the truth about him, in self-defense, if for no other reason?

52 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:19am

Actually, we've won two wars in Iraq. We won the first war, against Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists, in the first three weeks. Totally kicked their asses off the battlefield, seized control of the country. Game over. Score: US 1 - 0.

Then a second war arose, an international Islamic jihad against the US forces in Iraq, with Saudis and Iran and countless others rushing there to join the local Islamists to defeat us. And, although it took much longer (as guerrilla wars always do), we effectively have now defeated them as well -- their back is broken, there is no cohesive enemy any more.

Score: US 2 - 0.

Now we're just keeping the peace.

53 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:29am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is constant inconsistency consistent?



Why, yes. Yes it is.

54 Steffan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:33am

Well, we already knew that Obama is a master of duckspeak. He can quack like a duck all he wants to, and his sycophants will get tingly legs and cream their jeans.

It's only when you parse his speeches for something -- anything -- of substance that you realize all you get are quacks.

55 Aylios  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:46:38am

re: #35 Kosh's Shadow

He can speak out of both ends of his body.
We're just never sure which one he's speaking out of at any given time.

Personally, I think he only ever speaks out of one, but every now and then his mouth moves, so it looks like there are words coming from there. But they're not.

How can anyone consider voting for such a blatant fake?

56 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #39 godfrey

Notice Obama never, ever talks about the Iraqis. It's all "me, me me."

re: #40 6pat6

That's the only note he can sing --- "mi, mi, mi, mi!"

57 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:47:59am

What else can he do? In the total absence of competence and experience, Obama is desperately trying to invent some personal qualities for himself. What better invention than "learning as I go," and "refining his message"? They're designed only to give him enough time to keep waving his arms around and pausing to look thoughtful for the cameras.

58 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:04am

re: #45 MandyManners

Obama has the former JCOS AF General Merrill McPeak, who is universally despised by everybody who was in the USAF during the mid-'90s. That sack of crap is likely to be the SecDef in a B-HO administration. To say this squirrel would be dangerous would be a gross understatement.

59 MacGregor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:11am

And Obama can't use his thinly veiled "bush lied" rhetoric becaus 500 ton of uranium ain't no lie.

60 seekeroftruth  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:11am

re: #52 zombie

Well said, Zombie. Thanks

61 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:42am

re: #23 godfrey

Obama was against the Born Alive Infant Protection act. He's against the Born Alive Iraqi Protection Strategy.

It's all of a piece.

this is why he can say "punished w/ a baby", w/out batting an eye.
he doesn't value life.

62 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:50am

re: #43 VegasRick

What if Pres Bush got the troops out by Jan 09 with a complete and decisive victory, the Iraqi's reward us by selling us oil on the cheap therby stimulating the economy. What would this asshole have to say then?

He'd say Bushitler did it simply to spite him, the lightworker!

63 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:48:50am

re: #24 zombie

Actually, we've already won it. We're now just maintaining an occupation. The war is utterly and completely won.

When you have seen the enemy leader hang, when you are now commanding or advising the enemy army, when the political structure of the country answers to you, who won?

64 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #52 zombie

bb b bbut we lost...it's a quagmire!quagmire i say!

L3 out/

65 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:12am
He laid the blame with reporters.

What happened to "the buck stops here"? Am I really supposed to think that a man who could blame reporters for his words is to be taken seriously with the Presidency? Is this going to be his tactics with an international crisis? "Well- I blame the reporters!"

Keep it up, barry. You pissed off the press with your financing flip-flop, and I can't see how blaming them for your "refined" problems is going to keep them carrying your water for you.

66 zombie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:13am

re: #50 rawmuse

We are not going anywhere. We still have bases in Germany, for crying out loud. The whole premise of pulling out is a lie. Hillary knew it, because Bush gave her a private heads up. Obama is like a child that still believes in the tooth fairy, as are his base.

I agree that we aren't (and shouldn't be) going anywhere. But Obama has global humiliation of the US on the brain, and I wouldn't put anything past him.

67 sonofsheldon  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:25am

As Harry Truman is alleged to have said about Richard Nixon,

"Nixon is one of the few in the history of this country running for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides."

Or did he say,

". . . He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to
keep his hand in."?

I don't know if either or both of these were said by Truman, but they both apply more strongly to Obama than they do to Nixon.

68 realwest  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:42am

re: #61 nyc redneck
"he doesn't value life."
Gee, I wonder if he IS a jihadist?!

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:48am

The other day, I said something to a customer, then tried to dial it back pretending that it hadn't been said. Was totally unsuccessful.

How does this bastard get away with it?

70 Geepers  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:49am

David IV of Georgia (#41),

Isn't this the French "Paper Tiger" Strategy?

Chinese.

Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhi laohu, meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless.

America is anything but a Paper Tiger.

71 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:56am

Yes, just what this country needs right now. A narcissistic POTUS learning on the job via his "inartful" mistakes.

72 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:49:56am

re: #61 nyc redneck

Precisely. Only the lives he considers valuable are valuable. The rest? Lebensunswerteleben.

73 MacGregor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:50:06am

re: #52 zombie

Can we make that three wars counting the iranian "insurgency?" or was that just a battle?

74 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:50:12am

re: #35 Kosh's Shadow

That means Obama is either a pussy or an asshole, 'cause he ain't no dick!

75 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:50:26am
76 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:50:55am

re: #44 godfrey

Narcissist:


Too late.

All this agitation over reporters "parsing" his words is a classic reaction of a narcissist. He cannot be held to ordinary standards and only certain people are on a plane equal to his.

77 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:51:02am

re: #64 Boondock St. Bender

bb b bbut we lost...it's a quagmire!quagmire i say!

L3 out/

Hairy Red walking in the middle of the desert looking for "Tommy"

78 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:51:44am

We are leaving?....so this must mean that Obam'uh is going to admit that we have WON?

If not, leaving without winning is surrender! Always has been, always will be.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:51:47am

re: #70 Geepers

David IV of Georgia (#41),


America is anything but a Paper Tiger.

I believe "Sleeping Giant" was used by the Japanese. Wasn't it?

80 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:51:58am

re: #66 zombie

I agree that we aren't (and shouldn't be) going anywhere. But Obama Soros has global humiliation of the US on the brain, and I wouldn't put anything past him.

Needed a slight fix ...

81 realwest  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #65 Sharmuta
Indeed - see my #51; sooner or later the MSM is going to turn on him and his "the reporters screwed it up" if for no reason than self-defense.

82 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:28am

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Correct.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:34am

About his missing records from his time in the Illinois Senate, I have the link but the story does not appear.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

84 Geepers  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:42am

realwest (#51),

Hey Geepers! Hope you're doing well today. I wonder how long he can get away with blaming reporters before the MSM starts telling the truth about him, in self-defense, if for no other reason?

Reporters might be utter toadies to Obama, but they're egotistical toadies none the less, so yeah at some point they're going to dislike being told how stupid they are by a moron.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:52am

The Obamassiah keeps going back over the same ground trying to clarify his remarks that he is starting to wear thin the carpeting.

86 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:52:56am

He has to use the word "refine". If he uses the word "change", he's toast.

87 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:53:02am

Actually, I see a splendid consistency here. He wishes to give the enemy HOPE. We are now winning & he will CHANGE that.
What part about Hope & Change don't you get?

88 realwest  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:53:15am

WHOA! Thunder and Lightning like crazy down here.
I'm outta here - hope y'all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

89 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:53:40am

re: #68 realwest

"he doesn't value life."
Gee, I wonder if he IS a jihadist?!

there's something awfully cold and calculating abt. this particular messiah.

90 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:53:42am

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I believe "Sleeping Giant" was used by the Japanese. Wasn't it?

Admiral Yamamoto's metaphor, IIRC.

91 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:54:01am

Think he might be "going to the center" too early. Leaves a lot of time prior to the actual coronation at the convention for left wingers to eat their own.

Will hit the starting gate with a split with the left wingers no matter what. They will place blood in the water and the sharks will congregate. You can't be sooooo for something and then hesitate.

No backbone and no real ideological commitment to his cause. Just a political commitment that lasts until the winds change.

At least Hillary was honest about withdrawal not going to be overnight.

92 godfrey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:54:02am

re: #76 MandyManners

I don't know if I'd pathologize it. He just seems like a guy who's 100% "handled." He's way out of his depth, he has a few threadbare platitudes he mistakes for principles, and he has huge crowds of people around him who make him feel like he just has to be more successful and valuable than he really is. In short, he's empty, and trying desperately to believe in his own cult of personality. If he'd be anything other than a contender, I'd pity him. As it is, I think his offering himself as a viable candidate for a major political party at this point in US history is contemptible beyond words.

93 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:54:10am

re: #52 zombie

Actually, we've won two wars in Iraq. We won the first war, against Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists, in the first three weeks. Totally kicked their asses off the battlefield, seized control of the country. Game over. Score: US 1 - 0.

Then a second war arose, an international Islamic jihad against the US forces in Iraq, with Saudis and Iran and countless others rushing there to join the local Islamists to defeat us. And, although it took much longer (as guerrilla wars always do), we effectively have now defeated them as well -- their back is broken, there is no cohesive enemy any more.

Score: US 2 - 0.

Now we're just keeping the peace.

We're damn close to winning that too.
BHO will throw it all away.

94 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:54:44am

From the article:

Obama said he did not make a mistake with his earlier choice of words in describing his Iraq position -- even though he called a second news conference a few hours after his initial comments to clarify his stance.

If he didn't make a mistake in his choice of words, why would he need to hold another press conference only HOURS after his first one?

It couldn't be that he's full of crap now could it? Not the Obamessiah.

95 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:55:34am

I can't wait to vote for McCain.

96 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:56:14am

re: #91 yesandno

Hmmm...interesting point. A while back, Hillary was griping about a pledged delegate of hers announcing her intention to vote for Obama on the first ballot.
Makes one wonder if the opposite occurs at Denver....who'll be taking whom to court.

97 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:56:33am

re: #94 paradox42

From the article:


If he didn't make a mistake in his choice of words, why would he need to hold another press conference only HOURS after his first one?

It couldn't be that he's full of crap now could it? Not the Obamessiah.

Actually - that is pretty odd, BO having a second press cofnerence to explain what he said in the first.

Hasn' he got any spin doctors who do that for him?

98 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:56:40am
A comment by Obama, a week before his national debut giving the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic Convention, offers a revealing glimpse of how he thinks campaign journalism ought to work. On Meet the Press, the late Tim Russert asked Obama about a quote in a then-upcoming issue of the Atlantic Monthly, declaring that Democratic nominee John Kerry sometimes lacked the necessary “oomph” as a candidate. Obama said the interview had been conducted several months ago, and that in the interim Kerry had demonstrated great strengths as a candidate. The next day, the Sun-Times offered the tabloid headline: “OOMPH!”

Obama complained to Mendell, “Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” Obama seemed incredulous that a Democratic senator’s criticism of the man who would become the party’s nominee would be newsworthy.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

99 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:06am

re: #92 godfrey

He's a narcissist.

100 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:12am

re: #95 VegasRick

here here. I hope the straw poll America online conducted is a closer representation of the way the election will go. (McCain 61% Obama 39% with over 400,000 votes)

101 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:23am

re: #95 VegasRick

I can't wait to vote for McCain.

me too.
lol, did you ever think we'd be so glad to do that?

102 Jack Reacher  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:23am
...he was puzzled by the sharp reaction to his statement...


Apparently all members of the press haven't received the memo; When Obamessiah speaks, you write it down, add fulsome praise, and publish.

103 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #66 zombie

I agree that we aren't (and shouldn't be) going anywhere. But Obama has global humiliation of the US on the brain, and I wouldn't put anything past him.

He wants a repeat of this scene.

104 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:27am

Obama, the "inartful" dodger. Someone with campaign clout needs to take that word and beat him over his bony head with it.

105 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:33am

re: #78 WrathofG-d

Great point.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:41am

re: #98 MandyManners

Obama complained to Mendell, “Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” Obama seemed incredulous that a Democratic senator’s criticism of the man who would become the party’s nominee would be newsworthy.

I just cannot get over this.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:57:52am

re: #97 yma o hyd

I will keep saying this until it catches on.

Barak Obama, The Great Clarifier

108 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:58:58am

re: #106 MandyManners

Obama complained to Mendell, “Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” Obama seemed incredulous that a Democratic senator’s criticism of the man who would become the party’s nominee would be newsworthy.

I just cannot get over this.

Like, where the frak has this man been?

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:59:17am

Federer seems to be storming back.

110 Temujin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:59:19am

Strange.

The name "Obama" doesn't sound French.

/

111 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:00:35am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I will keep saying this until it catches on.

Barak Obama, The Great Clarifier

Heh.
If he's such a lightworker, why would he need to clarify anything?
It should be clear the first time round.
At least, thats what I'd expect from a proper candidate, one with principles and backbone - which we al know BO doesn't possess.

112 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:00:44am

I'm quite new to all this military and politicking business. If Senator Cher Horowitz could explain a couple things, it would just be swell. Is Iraq the only war we're fighting? What about Afghanistan? Isn't it up to the enemy to end the war--usually by giving up? If we stop fighting, does that mean we won't be attacked again? We weren't fighting anyone when we were attacked the first couple times. If we stop fighting does that mean the jihadi attacks on England will stop, too?

There is deep cluelessness to imagine that we can pull the troops out of Iraq without severe repercussions.

He went to Harvard but he's actually not as smart as everyone thinks.

Don't know much about history
Don't know much biology
Don't know much about a science book
Don't know much about the French I took
Don't know much about geography
Don't know much trigonometry
Don't know much about algebra
Don't know what a slide rule is for

/with apologies to Sam Cooke

113 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:00:55am

re: #101 nyc redneck

me too.
lol, did you ever think we'd be so glad to do that?

NOPE! But I am.

114 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:00:56am

re: #93 jcm

We're damn close to winning that too.
BHO will throw it all away.

Here is the problem as I see it. His idiotic timetable pronouncements, & droning on about he opposed the war from Springpatch, Il. etc is causing real damage.
If you are a committed ,off of the rails Jihadi, why quit? Barry is sending you signals

115 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:01:21am

re: #108 Macker

Like, where the frak has this man been?

Organising his communities!

116 Geepers  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:01:23am

Fat Bastard Vegetarian (#79),

I believe "Sleeping Giant" was used by the Japanese. Wasn't it?

Sort of:

Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is portrayed in the 1970 film Tora! Tora! Tora!, as saying after his attack on Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Which appears to be a paraphrase:

In "The Reluctant Admiral," Hiroyuki Agawa, without a citation, does give a quotation from a reply by Admiral Yamamoto to Ogata Taketora on January 9, 1942, which is strikingly similar to the famous version: "A military man can scarcely pride himself on having 'smitten a sleeping enemy'; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack."

Yamamoto had studied in the United States and was well aware that the Japanese could never defeat us in war.

117 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:01:34am

Great, Future Weapons featuring Israel. Jews with hi tech weapons, smells like victory!

118 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:01:42am

re: #97 yma o hyd

I'm just guessing here, but I'd imagine that he doesn't want anyone working for him who is more competent then himself. Hence the low quality of his spin doctors.
Besides, those weren't the spin doctors he knew

119 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Federer seems to be storming back.

Good for him!

120 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:02:19am

The main stream media wants a candidate who opposes the war and everything the war stands for. Obama fit the mold. Hillary did not. All his talk of leaving Iraq left the MSM with wet undies. Now he has stepped off his original position and the MSM will not ALLOW it. He will change and bend and mold into what the MSM wants him to be. That is all. He is a mouthpiece for the liberal establishment which has diseased our schools and media.

121 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:02:47am

re: #106 MandyManners

Obama complained to Mendell, “Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” Obama seemed incredulous that a Democratic senator’s criticism of the man who would become the party’s nominee would be newsworthy.

I just cannot get over this.

he thinks he's an untouchable lightworker now.
how dare anyone disrupt his grand existence.
imagine this obnoxious jerk as potus. he will not give an audience to anyone who disagrees w/ him. just like a king or caesar.

122 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:05am

re: #114 opnion

Here is the problem as I see it. His idiotic timetable pronouncements, & droning on about he opposed the war from Springpatch, Il. etc is causing real damage.
If you are a committed ,off of the rails Jihadi, why quit? Barry is sending you signals

Obama the last best hope of the Jihadi!

123 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:13am

re: #95 VegasRick

I can't wait to vote for McCain.

Early & often!

124 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:16am

re: #108 Macker

Like, where the frak has this man been?

It's the delusion of the narcissist. He's befuddled that others won't go along with his perception of reality.

125 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:18am

obama is a chance to force history.the media loves it.

126 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #115 yma o hyd

Organising his communities!

Yea, check out how well those communities are doing. Let me know if you need a link.

127 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:55am

re: #95 VegasRick

I can't wait to vote for McCain.

OK Lizards, here is the Big Revelation I had last week, while in private contemplation.

We all know what McCain is, and we know that he has been sticking his thumbs in our eyes for 20 years. I know all that.

But, he is a damn sight better than Obama. There is no comparison.

After 9/11, I was so pissed I wanted to join up to the military, but sadly, my personal warranty period had expired.

But we got some good people serving, and they deserve better than Obama.

So, I went to McCain's site. I gave some money. And I got the sign in my window. And I am going to volunteer. I will walk precincts. I will go without sleep, and I will give money again until it hurts.

Because, what is all that compared to what our fine men and women in uniform sacrifice every day?

No more lukewarm support from me. In for a penny, in for a pound.

I know a lot of us don't like McCain.

Get over it. We need this. Bad.

Can I get a AMEN?

128 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:03:58am

re: #117 vagabond trader

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Weapons and the will to use them stopped the first Holocaust and weapons and the will to use them are all that prevents the sequel.

129 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:04:15am

re: #120 bellamags

The main stream media wants a candidate who opposes the war and everything the war stands for. Obama fit the mold. Hillary did not. All his talk of leaving Iraq left the MSM with wet undies. Now he has stepped off his original position and the MSM will not ALLOW it. He will change and bend and mold into what the MSM wants him to be. That is all. He is a mouthpiece for the liberal establishment which has diseased our schools and media.

No. George Soros wanted it.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:04:49am

re: #127 rawmuse

Amen.

131 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:04:56am

re: #118 paradox42

I'm just guessing here, but I'd imagine that he doesn't want anyone working for him who is more competent then himself. Hence the low quality of his spin doctors.
Besides, those weren't the spin doctors he knew

Yes - that makes sense for the BO I've got to know by now.
More fool he!

(Perhaps Soros is desperately looking after his decreasing billions at the moment a nd has no time to watch out for his sock puppet?)

132 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #103 rawmuse

He wants a repeat of this scene.

Thanks. I'm one of the ones who always thought that was the Embassy. It was good to read Van Es' explanation.

/Uncle Walter committed treason

133 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:05:37am

re: #121 nyc redneck

he thinks he's an untouchable lightworker now.
how dare anyone disrupt his grand existence.
imagine this obnoxious jerk as potus. he will not give an audience to anyone who disagrees w/ him. just like a king or caesar.

The Unbearable Lightweightness of being Obama.

134 Temujin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:05:56am

re: #121 nyc redneck

How dare anyone pick over things that he said "months ago"?

Where is Tim Russert when we need him . . .

135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:06:44am

re: #133 jcm

The Unbearable Lightweightness of being Obama.

Great one!

I'm outta here to get stuff done

136 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:06:59am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The other day, I said something to a customer, then tried to dial it back pretending that it hadn't been said. Was totally unsuccessful.

How does this bastard get away with it?

Does a glowing light oh nevermind.

137 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:07:11am

re: #135 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Great one!

I'm outta here to get stuff done

Take care!

138 Mazeman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:07:24am

From the article:

"I'm surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured. I wasn't saying anything I hadn't said before, that I didn't say a year ago or when I was a United States senator," said Obama, who is still a senator from Illinois."


He already has measured the drapes, hasn't he...

139 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:07:50am

Wars are either won, or they are lost.

We may have either enemies, or overlords.

Which of these things do you propose for us,Mr. Obama?

I'm just askin', 'cause I ate a fried breakfast.

140 big L  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:08:02am

1 zombie- I am still chilled by he photos of Obama going into Gordon Getty's house {yes, I said it: "gordon Getty'!} along with all the billionaires. and he had that big smirk on his mug. And then proceeded to smear Americans, clinging to faith, religion and yes their guns.

So cynical. Such an obama phony. and no one will bring it up.But if it was a GOP candidate itwould be theend of the campaign.

141 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:08:07am

re: #129 MandyManners

i stand (proud and conservative) corrected. ;)

142 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:08:08am

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Amen! Testify, y'all!

143 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:08:15am

re: #126 VegasRick

Yea, check out how well those communities are doing. Let me know if you need a link.


Thanks - have seen quite a lot about the crumbling housing estates he left behind, with the only communities bettering themselves the usual shady Rzkos et al ...

Thats why I despise him above all, him and his wifey: they behave exactly as the Nomenklatura in the old Soivet Union.
No surprises ...

144 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:08:54am

re: #127 rawmuse

OK Lizards, here is the Big Revelation I had last week, while in private contemplation.

We all know what McCain is, and we know that he has been sticking his thumbs in our eyes for 20 years. I know all that.

But, he is a damn sight better than Obama. There is no comparison.

After 9/11, I was so pissed I wanted to join up to the military, but sadly, my personal warranty period had expired.

But we got some good people serving, and they deserve better than Obama.

So, I went to McCain's site. I gave some money. And I got the sign in my window. And I am going to volunteer. I will walk precincts. I will go without sleep, and I will give money again until it hurts.

Because, what is all that compared to what our fine men and women in uniform sacrifice every day?

No more lukewarm support from me. In for a penny, in for a pound.

I know a lot of us don't like McCain.

Get over it. We need this. Bad.

Can I get a AMEN?

AMEN!AMEN

145 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:09:17am

re: #127 rawmuse

A resounding AMEN from me!

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:09:26am

“Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” -Obama

Huh? I thought that was one of the reasons we kept records, like, you know, things you say, how you vote, etc. This guy is as sharp as a bowling ball.

Thanks for the quote Mandy. I hadn't seen it.

147 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:09:51am

re: #138 Mazeman

From the article:

"I'm surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured. I wasn't saying anything I hadn't said before, that I didn't say a year ago or when I was a United States senator," said Obama, who is still a senator from Illinois."


He already has measured the drapes, hasn't he...

We know the pattern.

148 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:09:56am

re: #134 Temujin
The way the Obamassiah is going he wants people to forget what he said just hours ago. He can't be accused of flip-flopping when people don't know what his previous positions were, after all.

149 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:09:58am

ot:

City in the Crosshairs: Life in Sderot (video)

What surrender, appeasement, and negotiations get you when you're doing it with Islamic Terrorists.

150 Temujin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:10:08am

re: #127 rawmuse

Amen.

I just wish McCain would display some evidence that he wants it that strongly!

151 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:10:30am

re: #129 MandyManners

No. George Soros wanted it.

Needs repeating - often!

152 big L  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:10:59am

" EGNAHC" , THE ANTI OBY-WAN- pHONAY YELL.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:11:21am

re: #147 jcm

We know the pattern.

wow.

154 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:11:37am

I know we have the best military in the world.

My "Paper Tiger" comment was more about how BHO would project that power. A great army with a bad commander...

155 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:11:42am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” -Obama

Huh? I thought that was one of the reasons we kept records, like, you know, things you say, how you vote, etc. This guy is as sharp as a bowling ball.

Thanks for the quote Mandy. I hadn't seen it.

I have the link to the article about his missing official records (correspondence, et cet.) but, the article does not appear.

156 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:11:50am

re: #127 rawmuse

OK Lizards, here is the Big Revelation I had last week, while in private contemplation.

We all know what McCain is, and we know that he has been sticking his thumbs in our eyes for 20 years. I know all that.

But, he is a damn sight better than Obama. There is no comparison.

After 9/11, I was so pissed I wanted to join up to the military, but sadly, my personal warranty period had expired.

But we got some good people serving, and they deserve better than Obama.

So, I went to McCain's site. I gave some money. And I got the sign in my window. And I am going to volunteer. I will walk precincts. I will go without sleep, and I will give money again until it hurts.

Because, what is all that compared to what our fine men and women in uniform sacrifice every day?

No more lukewarm support from me. In for a penny, in for a pound.

I know a lot of us don't like McCain.

Get over it. We need this. Bad.

Can I get a AMEN?

AMEN!

157 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:11:55am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Is that good reporting, good journalism — to take something I said months ago and print it now?” -Obama

Huh? I thought that was one of the reasons we kept records, like, you know, things you say, how you vote, etc. This guy is as sharp as a bowling ball.

Thanks for the quote Mandy. I hadn't seen it.

Its only good reporting when its done to Bush. With him, anything he ever said in his life is fair game.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:01am

re: #154 David IV of Georgia

Gotcha.

159 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:15am

re: #149 WrathofG-d

ot:

City in the Crosshairs: Life in Sderot (video)

What surrender, appeasement, and negotiations get you when you're doing it with Islamic Terrorists.

Help is on the way.

Israel Tests New Missile Defense System – Success

At least until someone has the balls to deal with the root of the problem.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:28am

re: #155 MandyManners

I have the link to the article about his missing official records (correspondence, et cet.) but, the article does not appear.

Memory holes are deeeeep.

161 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:39am
162 talon_262  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #127 rawmuse

Roger that...

163 stevieray  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:13:49am

re: #138 Mazeman

Nice catch!

"...or when I was a United States senator."

Hmmm. Did he resign as a senator, or does he see himself as already the president, just waiting on the paperwork? If he keeps doing things like this people will start to notice. The MSM may even catch on!

164 Blackacre  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:14:16am

He doesn’t know that his words will be calibrated and measured? And he "was a little puzzled by the frenzy that [he] set off by what [he] thought was a pretty innocuous statement?" Just another set of reasons why this man is patently unfit to be President of the United States.

Maybe he thinks everything he says is "just words." But, as the Obamessiah previously proclaimed, "Don’t tell me words don’t matter."

165 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:14:20am

Obama is educated but ignorant. His mother apparently fed him from the milk of liberal ideology. Instead of accepting the poor choices she made because reality could never come close to her wishful thinking, she simply shifted the blame to others, always placing him on the pedestal of entitlement she felt existed for people like her.

And the constant reinforcement resulted in him only paying attention to things that resulted in favorable outcomes...particularly because he was of mixed race and defined in the minds of others by the half he knew nothing about. So back to Africa and legitimacy. Then he found Michele and she taught him how bad it was to be a person of color in America. How he was entitled because he was black.

And funny thing was, he was not entitled because he hadn't come from the line of slavery that he was co-opting through Michele. His children became important because they carried the slavery genes legitimately. And so everything is "for the children."

And so Obama experience the Black culture of entitlement America with Michele and Rev. Wright as a guide. He got educated...but he was still ignorant of most of America.

And he remains so. He is way before being ready to be a Chicago Alderman never mind President. His ideas shift because they must. It is the natural progression of learning. But he has no backbone. And what he learns, he learns for as long as the accolades occur. Once there is opposition, then he has to change course.

He wants to be liked, in essence. American cannot afford a popularity contest.

166 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Memory holes are deeeeep.

This is the National Review. It is in no way associated with BHO.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:14:31am

re: #161 MandyManners

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

The link.

Holy Missing Text Batman!

168 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:14:54am

Mr. Welch (the guy who really annoys dungeonmasters) on Obamessiah:

Since the media won't address my concerns, I'll put them here.

1. He's a machine candidate. He votes 100% of the time for DNC's agenda. He voted for the most liberal policies 100% of the time when he did vote. He surrounds himself with party hacks from the previous administration. He's offering no change whatsoever.

2. He refuses to take a stand. He criticized Hillary for voting for a war funding bill. He voted present on that bill. Not against it. Most major controversial bills he votes present on. He doesn't take a stand one way or the other. That's not an option for the President.

3. He speaks in idioms. He talks a lot about change. He doesn't offer anything new. Just likes to talk about it. He's never pressed for details. Change what? How? We need specifics. But those turn off supporters caught up in the hype.

4. Absolutely no experience at the executive level. He's a freshman senator who was given a gift wrapped position. People complain Bobby Jindal doesn't have much experience. He's got about as much as Obama does, and at running a state. If Jindal's lack of experience is a problem, why isn't Obama's?

5. He's addicted to his handlers. Have you ever seen him give a speech extemporaniously? He won't. He's terrible at it. He's perfectly fine reading what somebody else has written for him. He's great at reciting things he's been told to say. On his feet, he doesn't have a clue what's going on.

McCain is the better candidate. Not the best choice, but the better choice.

169 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:15:34am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy Missing Text Batman!

Maybe it's available only to suscribers?

170 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:15:38am

Think about it. Obama was an obscure Illinois State Senator from the East Side of Chicago.
He spent his days missing votes & running out for sandwiches for Seate President Emil Jones (ok, the last part I made up)
He gets podium face time at the Democrat convention in Boston.
His suit hangs nice & he doesn't sound like Jessie Jackson.
He lucks into the US Senate because the other guy had a sex scandal conveniently uncovered when it does Obama the most good.
He is now this close to the Presidency! WTF?

171 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:15:58am

re: #161 MandyManners

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

The link.

Not another evolution thread!

172 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:16:06am

The most obnoxious person in America...Olbermann is full of shit.

What's he going to say about McCain during the general election...Obama shill.

173 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:16:07am

re: #159 jcm

ot:

When I see that a bomb shelter is being built in a children's playground, and I see young Jewish children running for their lives in their homeland, it breaks my heart.

The Kipa Barzel (what they are calling the missle system) is great....but it is a band-aid on a broken dam. We built the Fence and they shot rockets....we build the missle system and they will find another way to kill us...i'm tired of running, i'm tired of dying.

174 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:16:41am

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy Missing Text Batman!

Folks, click on the banner to view

175 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:17:29am

re: #5 zombie

He needs to evolve a second mouth so he can speak revolution to the Nutroots and centrism to the clingers simultaneously.

HE HAS GOT TWO NOW HE CAN TALK OUT OF HIS SPHINCTER AS WELL AS HIS ORAL ORIFICE.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #166 MandyManners

Oh. By the way...anybody read "Parade Magazine" today in the newspapers. Barak has a very charming story about while he was abroad with his mom. She read to him from the Constitution.

With him, it is about just words. What a pile of crapola.

177 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:18:09am

re: #127 rawmuse

Amen

178 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:18:32am

re: #164 Blackacre

He doesn’t know that his words will be calibrated and measured? And he "was a little puzzled by the frenzy that [he] set off by what [he] thought was a pretty innocuous statement?" Just another set of reasons why this man is patently unfit to be President of the United States.

Maybe he thinks everything he says is "just words." But, as the Obamessiah previously proclaimed, "Don’t tell me words don’t matter."


He's post-modern.
Words of yesterday don't matter today, and anyway, they only mean what he says they mean, its his truth - what others understand (or not) doens't matter to him.

179 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:18:35am

OOPS PIMF

re: #173 WrathofG-d

ot:

When I see that a bomb shelter is being built in a children's playground, and I see young Jewish children running for their lives in their homeland, it breaks my heart.

The Kipa Barzel (what they are calling the missle system) is great....but it is a band-aid on a broken dam. We built the Fence and they shot rockets....we build the missle system and they will find another way to kill us...i'm tired of running, i'm tired of dying.

I forgot the link for the bomb shelter in the children's playground.

Listening To This and found it comforting: Don't Give Up

180 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:19:06am

re: #174 VegasRick

Folks, click on the banner to view

From what I've read already, the story about his missing records is NOT there now. If I recall correctly, the story is more than a week old.

181 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:19:07am

re: #170 opnion

Think about it. Obama was an obscure Illinois State Senator from the East Side of Chicago.
He spent his days missing votes & running out for sandwiches for Seate President Emil Jones (ok, the last part I made up)
He gets podium face time at the Democrat convention in Boston.
His suit hangs nice & he doesn't sound like Jessie Jackson.
He lucks into the US Senate because the other guy had a sex scandal conveniently uncovered when it does Obama the most good.
He is now this close to the Presidency! WTF?

The Ayers/Dohrn connection needs more air, IMO.
These people....they truly hate this country, and where did he have to go first to start his political career ?
These haters need more front page time.

182 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:20:05am

re: #173 WrathofG-d

ot:

When I see that a bomb shelter is being built in a children's playground, and I see young Jewish children running for their lives in their homeland, it breaks my heart.

The Kipa Barzel (what they are calling the missle system) is great....but it is a band-aid on a broken dam. We built the Fence and they shot rockets....we build the missle system and they will find another way to kill us...i'm tired of running, i'm tired of dying.

I hear you, I hear you.

The cost benefit equation for the terrorists must change. Firing a rocket, sending a bomber, must be so costly, that they no longer contemplate those tactics.

If it takes an hour long barrage of artillery from the IDF for every rocket so be it. It's defense, it's moral. Any and all blood in this is on hands of the Palestinians, their supporters, and enablers.

183 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:21:20am

re: #175 yochanan

HE HAS GOT TWO NOW HE CAN TALK OUT OF HIS SPHINCTER AS WELL AS HIS ORAL ORIFICE.

No an issue, they're interchangeable with him.

184 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:21:48am

re: #127 rawmuse

Thank you for that post, muse.

I lost a nephew (Mr Wolf's side of the family,USMC) to a sniper near Fallujah.
I have a nephew (my brother's son, USAR-special ops) in Iraq now.
Mr Wolf and I live in a swing state (VA).
Time to open our wallets and get off our butts.

But I have saved your little inspirational speech. Whenever those occasions arise.....and arise they will!....when I feel like slappong McCain silly, I'm gonna dig it out and read it again.

185 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:22:05am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. By the way...anybody read "Parade Magazine" today in the newspapers. Barak has a very charming story about while he was abroad with his mom. She read to him from the Constitution.

With him, it is about just words. What a pile of crapola.

Was that before or after the Selma March, you know where his parents met?

186 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:23:09am

re: #129 MandyManners
re: #120 bellamags

The main stream media wants a candidate who opposes the war and everything the war stands for. Obama fit the mold. Hillary did not. All his talk of leaving Iraq left the MSM with wet undies. Now he has stepped off his original position and the MSM will not ALLOW it. He will change and bend and mold into what the MSM wants him to be. That is all. He is a mouthpiece for the liberal establishment which has diseased our schools and media.

No. George Soros wanted it.

Actually, I think it was because George Soros didn't want Hillary.

And neither did the MSM. They wanted to show the Clinton's who was in charge....and they took out their hate of Bill on Hillary.

It could have been anyone...but then, they started making Obama the Uniter and it has been downhill from there.

187 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:23:33am

ok going to go enjoy my day. Have a good one all.

188 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:24:07am

re: #180 MandyManners

From what I've read already, the story about his missing records is NOT there now. If I recall correctly, the story is more than a week old.

Got it!

189 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:24:22am

re: #187 WrathofG-d

ok going to go enjoy my day. Have a good one all.

G-d Bless you Wrath!

190 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:24:38am

re: #173 WrathofG-d

ot:

When I see that a bomb shelter is being built in a children's playground, and I see young Jewish children running for their lives in their homeland, it breaks my heart.

The Kipa Barzel (what they are calling the missle system) is great....but it is a band-aid on a broken dam. We built the Fence and they shot rockets....we build the missle system and they will find another way to kill us...i'm tired of running, i'm tired of dying.


BETTER THE ISLMO FASCIST SHOULD DIE LET THEM HAVE THERE 72 VIRGIN GOATS AND LET THEM HAVE THEM OFFEN. GENERAL SHERMAN SAID WAR IS HELL AND THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A REAL TASETE OF IT THEN THEY WILL NOT WANT SO MUCH OF IT

191 hermeneutics  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:25:42am

There is nothing "refined" about that man. His policies, person and practices will hurt those who are gentle, generous and "refined" in the most noble sense of the word.

Thanks for a political thread, Charles. It is good to talk politics during an election season when the stakes are so high.

192 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:26:31am

re: #181 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Ayers/Dohrn connection needs more air, IMO.
These people....they truly hate this country, and where did he have to go first to start his political career ?
These haters need more front page time.

That is really a big problem, their hate for this country. I see his incompetence, even as profound as it is as secondary.
Look at Obamas books, his slips into truth on the stump, his pastor, his cousin & overall associations.
Think about the oh so racist & anti american Michelle.
Honest, I am convinced that they think that we need to be punished.

193 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:27:49am

re: #186 yesandno

Soros was associated with HRC quite a bit. But, he chose BHO. I don't think that the MSM had anything to do with which one he chose. He's above the MSM.

194 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:28:08am

re: #188 VegasRick

Got it!

Got it as in you have the article?

195 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:28:24am

re: #181 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Ayers/Dohrn connection needs more air, IMO.
These people....they truly hate this country, and where did he have to go first to start his political career ?
These haters need more front page time.

Without Ayers endoresment, BHO would never have gotten his start in Chicago politics.

Alinsky is the father of BHO politics.
Ayers is his political patron.
Soros is the Godfather.

196 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:28:30am

re: #174 VegasRick

Folks, click on the banner to view

THANK YOU! That worked - bookmarked.

197 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #194 MandyManners

Got it as in you have the article?

No, I got your point. I'll try to find it.

198 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:29:27am

re: #196 wahabicorridor

THANK YOU! That worked - bookmarked.

It's not the article about his disappeared record.

199 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:30:03am

re: #197 VegasRick

No, I got your point. I'll try to find it.

I've been looking for more than an hour this morning.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:30:13am

Quoting the Parade Article, What is Patriotism

"Sacrifice for the Common Good", By Senator Barack Obama...

"I lived overseas for a time as a child, and I remember listening to my mohter reading me the first lies of the Declaration of Independence and explaining how it ideas applied to every American, black and white and brown alike. She told me that those words, and the words of the United States Constitution, protected us from the brutal injustices we wtnessed other people suffering during those years abroad."

201 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:30:40am

re: #190 yochanan

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want."

—W.T. Sherman

202 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:30:55am

Global Poverty Act coming up in congress, sponsored by the Obama. This one needs to go down very hard!

[Link: www.capmag.com...]

203 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:31:37am

Going to be printing some more

NO/! bama
stickers

a big N RED CIRCLE WITH SLASH THROW !

bama

the libs hate them and take um down rather fast but they only cost me a couple of cents to print if that much.

204 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:11am

re: #195 jcm

Without Ayers endoresment, BHO would never have gotten his start in Chicago politics.

Alinsky is the father of BHO politics.
Ayers is his political patron.
Soros is the Godfather.


Thats right. He launched his career at the home of Ayers.
Hyde Park in Chicago is very trendy & radical politically.
That is commonly known in the metro area. What went on in Obamas, early political days I bet would be interesting

205 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:12am

re: #194 MandyManners

Got it as in you have the article?


This it?
[Link: www.bloggernews.net...]

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:30am

Sorry, corrected a few typos...try again FBV...

Sacrifice for the Common Good", By Senator Barack Obama...

"I lived overseas for a time as a child, and I remember listening to my mother reading me the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and explaining how it ideas applied to every American, black and white and brown alike. She told me that those words, and the words of the United States Constitution, protected us from the brutal injustices we witnessed other people suffering during those years abroad."

207 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:31am

re: #201 Ojoe

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want."

—W.T. Sherman


yep that quote.

208 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:38am

Something about his incredulity over his past words being "parsed" in the present: doing so cuts off his naricisstic supply of admiration.

209 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:52am

re: #195 jcm

Alinsky is the father of BHO politics.
Ayers is his political patron.
Soros is the Godfather.

Spot on.

210 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:32:59am

re: #201 Ojoe

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want."

—W.T. Sherman

Sherman understood, war is horrible. To avoid war make it so utterly horrific everyone will avoid it.

War for the Palestinians has not yet been sufficiently horrible. The only proven way to stop it is to make it so.

211 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:33:22am

re: #193 MandyManners

Soros was associated with HRC quite a bit. But, he chose BHO. I don't think that the MSM had anything to do with which one he chose. He's above the MSM.

I agree. Each came to it independently. George probably because she was bound to be hard to manipulate and she has a record.

212 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:33:47am

re: #205 VegasRick

This it?
[Link: www.bloggernews.net...]

At first glance, YES! I don't know why I had it in my mind that it was on NRO.

213 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:33:48am

re: #204 opnion

hyde park and evanston Ill. are the two most leftist communities in the whole chicago area. both home to two rich boy liberal/leftist colleges.

214 Tumulus11  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:34:03am
'I'm surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured.'
// Barack Hussein Obama.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.'
// Through the Looking Glass.


Princeton, NJ -- Democratic candidate Barack Obama continues to maintain a slim margin over Republican John McCain, 48% to 42%, according to Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 2-3 and July 5./ Gallup.com.

. The Gallup Organization also predicted that Humpty Dumpty (D.-Wonderland) would remain seated atop the wall indefinitely.

215 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:34:46am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's a liar.
I'll bet everything I own that story is a total crock.

216 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:35:40am

re: #155 MandyManners

I have the link to the article about his missing official records (correspondence, et cet.) but, the article does not appear.

Is this it, Mandy? If it is, the link changed when it got moved the to archives.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:35:48am

re: #215 wolfie

He's a liar.
I'll bet everything I own that story is a total crock.

But wait! Wolfie! It's pretty words! Isn't that enough?

218 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:36:01am

re: #198 MandyManners

It's not the article about his disappeared record.

True, but it's still good - besides I got a chance to order Buckley's "Cancel Your Own Goddam Subscription"

219 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:36:07am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quoting the Parade Article, What is Patriotism

"Sacrifice for the Common Good", By Senator Barack Obama...

Look,I don't want to break bad on the guys mother & I won't.
But, come on, his mother was a hippie. Hippie mothers did not read the Declaration of Independence to their children & extoll the virtues of America.
That never happened & he is so full of shit , he needs ear plugs to control the drip.

220 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:36:26am

re: #205 VegasRick

This it?
[Link: www.bloggernews.net...]

Yessssssssss!

221 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:36:57am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She told me that those words, and the words of the United States Constitution, protected us from the brutal injustices we wtnessed other people suffering during those years abroad."

"That I am bound and determined, through my rhetoric, terrorist appeasing inane policies, to bring home to you, the voter," he didn't add.

222 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:37:04am

re: #210 jcm

And Palestinian children are being programmed to die for Allah.

I better not finish that thought...

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:37:37am

re: #219 opnion

I was thinking zakly that. Then I saw the shiny/pretty words.

224 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:37:51am

re: #213 yochanan

hyde park and evanston Ill. are the two most leftist communities in the whole chicago area.. both home to two rich boy liberal/leftist colleges.

Exactly right & I would place Oak Park #3.
Hey, Sox stopped the bleeding

225 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:37:57am

There's this nice, short video at Powerline about Ayers/Dohrn.

I e-mailed it to my list.

226 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:38:10am

re: #211 yesandno

I agree. Each came to it independently. George probably because she was bound to be hard to manipulate and she has a record.

I think Soros has used his incredible wealth and power to shape BHO's image through the MSM.

227 melinwy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:38:39am

totally OT but this being the 4th of July weekend, I hope y'all don't mind..and if its been posted my apologies.....brought tears to my eyes.

A Fitting Tribute to a Slain Navy SEAL Gains Attention

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

228 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:00am

re: #216 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is this it, Mandy? If it is, the link changed when it got moved the to archives.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

229 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:01am

re: #219 opnion

Absolutely! She was more than just a fuzzywit hippie. She was a staunch Marxist.
But, as FBV says, pretty words are.....well, ...pretty.

230 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:11am

and when the pali slime find themselves in the lowest level of Gehenna and there are no virgins waiting for them i will not feel sorry for the momzars.

231 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #127 rawmuse

SO SAY WE ALL!

232 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:25am

re: #226 MandyManners

Would love to have a peak at the finances of these journalistic whores.

233 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:31am

re: #215 wolfie

He's a liar.
I'll bet everything I own that story is a total crock.

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quoting the Parade Article, What is Patriotism

"Sacrifice for the Common Good", By Senator Barack Obama...

"I lived overseas for a time as a child, and I remember listening to my mohter reading me the first lies of the Declaration of Independence and explaining how it ideas applied to every American, black and white and brown alike. She told me that those words, and the words of the United States Constitution, protected us from the brutal injustices we wtnessed other people suffering during those years abroad."

Typo or not?

234 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:39:50am

Sticking around....decided to drink and clean the home instead.

235 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:40:52am

re: #229 wolfie

Absolutely! She was more than just a fuzzywit hippie. She was a staunch Marxist.
But, as FBV says, pretty words are.....well, ...pretty.

Yup, and very educated. She may have read little Barry, the Communist Manifesto, but not the Declaration of Independence.
Damn, I did not want to break bad on his mother.

236 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:40:57am

re: #234 WrathofG-d

Sticking around....decided to drink and clean the home instead.

Better choice.

237 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:04am

re: #222 The Other Les

And Palestinian children are being programmed to die for Allah.

I better not finish that thought...

There is a point where the balance will tip. However the west is not prepared for the images that will produce. We will not go that far, however it inevitable will go there. But only after we suffer unimaginable carnage.

A little now, or mass later. A lesson of history repeated ad infinitum.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:29am

re: #233 VegasRick

Is there a such thing as a Freudian typo?

This was typed out by me, not cut and pasted from online. Any dumb typos are mine and mine alone.

The Bullshit totally belongs to Senator Obama.

239 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:32am

re: #202 vagabond trader

Global Poverty Act coming up in congress, sponsored by the Obama. This one needs to go down very hard!

[Link: www.capmag.com...]

DING DING...excellent post, trader.

Congress is proposing, in Barack Obama's Global Poverty Act (S.2433, based on H.R. 1302, passed by the House September 25, 2007), that Americans be delivered into a state of indentured servitude as laborers for the United Nations. Perhaps "indentured servitude" is too kind a term, for as horrendous a condition as it is, there is usually a time limit to such servitude. Slavery would be the more accurate term in this instance, for what Congress is considering is servitude by Americans in perpetuity, in exchange for nothing but the privilege of laboring to "save" the world without thanks or reward, of filling the alleged needs of others, of performing unlimited "community service" for the offense of merely existing.


And what party got us into this mess...wonder why your food bills are so high?

Paying more for food because mandated ethanol, which reports prove costs more in oil to produce than it "saves," in the gas they buy is taking more crop acreage out of production.


OH...didn't the liberals say that they were going to fix these problem if they were given the majority again? Chuck Schumer talking out his ass...AGAIN!

240 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:44am

re: #235 opnion

Yup, and very educated. She may have read little Barry, the Communist Manifesto, but not the Declaration of Independence.
Damn, I did not want to break bad on his mother.

Screw her, little commie hippie.

241 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:46am

re: #219 opnion

Look,I don't want to break bad on the guys mother & I won't.
But, come on, his mother was a hippie. Hippie mothers did not read the Declaration of Independence to their children & extoll the virtues of America.
That never happened & he is so full of shit , he needs ear plugs to control the drip.

My thoughts, exactly.

242 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:41:50am

Gee, Obama is an idiot, who knew?

/why doesn't the removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" from Iraq get it's own thread?

243 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:42:23am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there a such thing as a Freudian typo?

This was typed out by me, not cut and pasted from online. Any dumb typos are mine and mine alone.

The Bullshit totally belongs to Senator Obama.

Hey, do not sweat a typo.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:43:01am

re: #242 Killian Bundy

I like cake.

245 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:43:18am

re: #232 vagabond trader

Would love to have a peak at the finances of these journalistic whores.

I don't know if he's paid them. Soros' inluence goes deeper than that.

246 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:43:42am

re: #239 jorline

We need to call the slugs in the senate...again. This is supposed to be coming up pretty soon, not sure when.

247 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:43:59am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there a such thing as a Freudian typo?

This was typed out by me, not cut and pasted from online. Any dumb typos are mine and mine alone.

The Bullshit totally belongs to Senator Obama.

I knew you had typed it out (by the other typo's) just making an observation. And I agree on the BS with BHO, little commie mommie reading him the D of I. Riiiight.

248 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:44:47am

re: #247 VegasRick

I knew you had typed it out (by the other typo's) just making an observation. And I agree on the BS with BHO, little commie mommie reading him the D of I. Riiiight.

Never happened.

249 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:44:52am

re: #202 vagabond trader

Global Poverty Act coming up in congress, sponsored by the Obama. This one needs to go down very hard!

[Link: www.capmag.com...]

I thought the WORLD wanted us to mind our own business...Savior and POTUS for the world...BHO.

250 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:45:53am

re: #249 jorline

Sure they do, after we hand them our US dollars.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:45:59am

So, both Obama and McCain take part in the article. I am so biased in reading the two, nothing can make me think that McCain's article is not much better.

Proud cynic I have become.

252 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:46:58am

re: #248 opnion

Never happened.

NOPE!

253 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:47:00am

re: #249 jorline

I thought the WORLD wanted us to mind our own business...Savior and POTUS for the world...BHO.

This little twit actually does believe that he can "heal the planet."
Of course you will have the privilege of paying for it.

254 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:47:01am

re: #225 SasquatchOnSteroids
Thanks, I sent it to my email list.

255 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:47:40am

re: #249 jorline

Its typical Leftie: save the poor of the world, never mind the poor in your own backyard.
Our Gordon Brown is (trying) to do exactly the same.

What s it about 'charity begins at home' that they never understand?

256 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:47:48am

re: #235 opnion

It would be out of line to criticize her personally, perhaps, but I do not think it is out of line to note her political views. She was very public about them in her own lifetime.

258 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:48:59am

re: #253 opnion

Well, for sure!

I mean, he is for Universal Health Care, right?

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:49:01am

Charles, if you are out there....can you PLEASE add Obama and Barack to the spell check? Is that something you could do in your world? We don't have a "learn" button out here in Lizard Land, but it might exist in the "Lizard Lair".

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:49:25am

re: #254 newsjunkie_ky

Sweet !
The more these people are outed the better.

261 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:49:30am

Thought that was a neat trick with the balloons and lawn-chair?

All Obama needs is the lawn-chair...his head is getting so fucking big he can float anywhere he wants. I guess it will save tax dollars...no riders please.

262 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:50:13am

re: #257 Killian Bundy

Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy.

Obama: committed to doing "the Lord's work"

/let me know when you're done vomiting

You missed the first link

263 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #257 Killian Bundy

Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy.

Obama: committed to doing "the Lord's work"

/let me know when you're done vomiting

The L-rds work? I'm sure that the MSM will rip into him like they did Bush when Bush supposedly said the same thing.

~I won't be holding my breath.
~Btw: Where are all the front page articles about Obam'uh's 58 States remark?

264 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:50:55am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like cake.

We know that!
The only way a vegetarian could possibly be a fat bastard is if he loved cake.
Or beer.
Or beer and cake.
Or pie.
Or.......................never mind.

265 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:50:57am

re: #257 Killian Bundy

Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy.

Obama: committed to doing "the Lord's work"

/let me know when you're done vomiting

Among other things, Obama said that most of the nation's challenges "of war and poverty, joblessness and homelessness, violence on the streets and in the public schools...are not simple technical problems in search of a perfect 10-point plan. They are also moral problems rooted in social indifference and individual callousness."

Pure Marxism.

266 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:03am

re: #253 opnion

This little twit actually does believe that he can "heal the planet."
Of course you will have the privilege of paying for it.

Look at my #261...he will save us money on Air force One.

267 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:16am

re: #257 Killian Bundy

First linkie goes back to the Yellowcake story - second link:
feh - if he really wants to do the work of the lord he should not stand for POTUS but get hismelf into a missionary station in Zimbabwe, or a refuge camp in Darfur - as a permanet job, not for a flying visit.

Hypocrite!

268 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:26am

Old Glory
new song for this Independence Weekend.

269 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:26am
270 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #255 yma o hyd

Its typical Leftie: save the poor of the world, never mind the poor in your own backyard.
Our Gordon Brown is (trying) to do exactly the same.

What s it about 'charity begins at home' that they never understand?


The Obamas are so down with all the leftie anti American delusions from academia, that they want us punished.
You make think that you are trying to pay tuition , your mortgage & just provide for your family.
Forget it, you are a running dog of Yankee Imperialism!(kind of an archaic slogan , but I always got a kick out of it)

271 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:51:40am

Lemmesee Now,

1. IRAQ is the home of about 20 - 25% of the world's "easy to get" oil reserves.

2. Gas is $4-5 per gallon.

3. Don't think we are leaving anytime soon.

That is all.

-S-

272 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:52:15am

re: #258 RedPepper

Well, for sure!

I mean, he is for Universal Health Care, right?


Really UNIVERSAL

273 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:52:51am

re: #257 Killian Bundy

Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy.

Obama: committed to doing "the Lord's work"

/let me know when you're done vomiting

Would that be the Lords' work he learned in Rev Wrongs' church these past 20 years ?
No Thanks. I hope he gets ripped over that one.

274 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:54:01am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like cake.

That's yellow cake, FBV...made with red dye #5.

275 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:54:34am

re: #265 jcm

Among other things, Obama said that most of the nation's challenges "of war and poverty, joblessness and homelessness, violence on the streets and in the public schools...are not simple technical problems in search of a perfect 10-point plan. They are also moral problems rooted in social indifference and individual callousness."

Pure Marxism.

Better than any number of horror stories on the Sci-Fi channel.

276 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:54:40am

re: #246 vagabond trader

We need to call the slugs in the senate...again. This is supposed to be coming up pretty soon, not sure when.

I'm with you.

277 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #269 Killian Bundy

Obama mulling major speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg gate; to evoke, Reagan, Kennedy.

/oops, thanks

Totally retch-making.

On the other hand ... there were quite a few communist leaders speaking in that location: Walther Ulbricht, Honnecker, Breshnew, Kossygin ...

278 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:54:56am

re: #227 melinwy

totally OT but this being the 4th of July weekend, I hope y'all don't mind..and if its been posted my apologies.....brought tears to my eyes.

A Fitting Tribute to a Slain Navy SEAL Gains Attention

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

HERO'S ARE NEVER OFF TOPIC

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:55:03am

At least no one attacks President Bush when he brings up things like the Lord, Faith and related terms.

280 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:55:13am

re: #272 opnion

Really UNIVERSAL

Has anyone asked Obama his opinion re: whether there is life on other planets?

/we could really be on the hook financially ...

281 opnion  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:55:37am

Lizards, have a great Sunday. Beautiful afternoon & we are off for a swim.
I think that it is best to do it now. Obama may drain all swimming pools so that he does not have to face leaders from places where there are not lots of swimming pools. You know, like maybe Iceland.
See Ya.

282 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #275 MandyManners

Shmekle head is going to cure poverty, social indifference and individual callousness?

uh huh.....riiiiiiiiight!

283 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:56:25am

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

I try to keep my email list (Rs and Ds) up to date on all I learn about obama. Have changed a few minds. If we keep the information flowing we can keep him from becoming POTUS.
Have about 60 bookmarked links about obama that I will send out closer to election. Still have a bunch of hillary, just in case.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #264 wolfie

Cake/Pie/Beer...
All three on my family crest.

285 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:56:53am

I assume Obama also means to close down all our overseas bases, since most of them were established after WWII in countries we saved then too.

286 trulyyours  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:57:26am

Now he's going to give a speech in Berlin....I can hear it now "Mr. Putin, please, oh pretty please, rebuild this wall!"

287 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:58:07am

re: #270 opnion

The horrible thing is that they seem to get their inspration from the running Stalinist (ahem, thats NuLabour) experiment, which we're still living through here in GB, and which started in May 1997 ...

(And what I find extraordinary is how much Tony B's wifey and BO's wifey have in common ...)

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:58:27am

re: #286 trulyyours

Now he's going to give a speech in Berlin....I can hear it now "Mr. Putin, please, oh pretty please, rebuild this wall!"

Clever.

289 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:58:41am

If Obama insists on looking 'presidential' he'd better use this seal!

290 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:59:22am

re: #282 WrathofG-d

Shmekle head is going to cure poverty, social indifference and individual callousness?

uh huh.....riiiiiiiiight!

How can he "heal" us? Can he force us to examine our souls? How?

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:59:23am

re: #286 trulyyours

What the heck? Four posts...? C'mon...dig in!

292 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:59:37am

550 metric tons of "yellowcake"

/how much do you think Joe Wilson and his desk jockey CIA wife can eat?

293 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:00:07pm

re: #234 WrathofG-d

drinking and cleaning the hizzle is great fun.

294 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:00:29pm

re: #292 Killian Bundy

550 metric tons of "yellowcake"

/how much do you think Joe Wilson and his desk jockey CIA wife can eat?

With crow?

295 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:00:47pm

re: #285 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I assume Obama also means to close down all our overseas bases, since most of them were established after WWII in countries we saved then too.

Perhaps, instead of closing them, he intends to convert them into distribution centers ...

296 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:01:48pm

re: #280 RedPepper

Has anyone asked Obama his opinion re: whether there is life on other planets?

/we could really be on the hook financially ...

The fact that there is no apparent life on Mars indicates that the environment has been destroyed by "social indifference and individual callousness."
We are morally obliged to make reparations to Mars for the legacy of capitalist exploitation and cowboy-style imperialism.
Hand me your wallet.
It's the Lord's work!

297 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:01:48pm

Maybe the older "Lizardoids" can help me out with this one.....why in the world are we still fighting Vietnam? Why are we still working within the Vietnam dynamic?

I feel as if the last 8 years or so (since I began paying attention) have been nothing but a rehashed "60's". They made Bush; Nixon, Iraq; Vietnam, The Islamists; "harmless" Communists, and Obama; Carter.

Wtheck?

298 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:02:08pm

re: #293 bellamags

fur sheeezy!

299 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:02:26pm

bbiab

300 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:02:30pm

re: #292 Killian Bundy

The part of the 'Yellowcake story' that always puzzled me was how Joe Wilson going to Niger, hanging out at the hotel and talking to a few people was implied to be a definitive investigation in the media reports.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:02:57pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Born in 62. Kinda clueless myself.

302 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:03:13pm

re: #24 zombie

Actually, we've already won it. We're now just maintaining an occupation. The war is utterly and completely won.

Mission Accomplished?

303 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:03:22pm

re: #290 MandyManners

Well I think Michelle told us about that one when she promised that Obam'uh will NOT LET US this and that (dont' remember the entire quote, but remember someone running for POTUS threatening to FORCE me to do something against my will)

304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:03:53pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Maybe the older "Lizardoids" can help me out with this one.....why in the world are we still fighting Vietnam? Why are we still working within the Vietnam dynamic?

I feel as if the last 8 years or so (since I began paying attention) have been nothing but a rehashed "60's". They made Bush; Nixon, Iraq; Vietnam, The Islamists; "harmless" Communists, and Obama; Carter.

Wtheck?

Because the Left won in the defining of that war and have been using that template ever since.

305 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:04:32pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Easy. It's the "Boomers".

It's all about us!

No matter what "It" is ...

306 Blackacre  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:04:38pm

re: #178 yma o hyd

"what others understand (or not) doens't matter to him"

Of course it does. If it didn't, then he wouldn't be flippin' and a floppin' like a flounder out of water.

307 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:04:41pm

When considering Obama's change, consider Gresham's Law: bad currency chases out the good.

308 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:04:46pm
"... and doesn’t change my strategic view that this war has to end and that I’m going to end it as president,”

You either win or surrender. You don't just end a war by proclamation.

309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:23pm

re: #24 zombie

Actually, we've already won it. We're now just maintaining an occupation. The war is utterly and completely won.

We haven't won until there is a Buddhist Temple, a Synagogue and a Cathedral in downtown Mecca.

310 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:29pm

re: #305 RedPepper

It also has to do with a Boomer's definition of the word "is"....

311 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:48pm

re: #307 itellu3times

That's probably the Soros angle.

312 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:48pm

Does anyone remember the links on Laura Ingram and Hugh Hewitts websites to the audio of Dorhn and Ayers? They each were speaking to an audience (separately and i believe different times). I clearly remember Dorhn saying "we are now in the belly of the beast" referring to Obamas "closeness" to the presidency. The topic of the speeches was taking down the "imperialist empire" of America. This can potentially be huge in taking down Obama.

313 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:49pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And it was the first televised war and the msm won a great victory in shaping the outcome.

314 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:05:56pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What infuriates me the most is that everyone admits that the U.S. lost Vietnam, (Whether it was because of the Armed Forces or the Politicians is debated) but the Left is shamelessly working day-and-night to do Vietnam II. (ie: they knowingly want the U.S. to lose again.)

I think this used to be called Treason.

315 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:06:22pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

The baby-boomer leftists are reliving their adolescence.
Instead of outgrowing it, they are desperate to vindicate it.

316 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:06:29pm

Princess Obama Syndrome. The world loves him and they don't even know why.

317 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:06:33pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In which case it wouldn't be "Saudi" Arabia anymore....

318 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:07:01pm

re: #314 WrathofG-d

we lost the war in Washington, not on the battlefield.

319 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:07:15pm

re: #317 Macker

In which case it wouldn't be "Saudi" Arabia anymore....

Amen.

320 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:07:36pm

re: #310 Macker

"It" happens ...

321 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:08:23pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Maybe the older "Lizardoids" can help me out with this one.....why in the world are we still fighting Vietnam? Why are we still working within the Vietnam dynamic?

I feel as if the last 8 years or so (since I began paying attention) have been nothing but a rehashed "60's". They made Bush; Nixon, Iraq; Vietnam, The Islamists; "harmless" Communists, and Obama; Carter.

Wtheck?

Because, to the Left, Iraq is Bush's VietNam. Same play, slightly different cast of characters. And since the Left prevailed in VietNam, they want the same outcome this time, i.e. U.S. humiliation, genocide, a free nation falling to tyranny.

322 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:08:24pm

re: #308 Mich-again

You either win or surrender. You don't just end a war by proclamation.

In magic, the right words can achieve anything!

323 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #305 RedPepper

fine. But wouldn't the boomers want to WIN?

324 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:08:38pm

re: #320 RedPepper

"It" happens ...

Shiite happens, even on a Sunni day.

325 jcm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:09:02pm

re: #314 WrathofG-d

What infuriates me the most is that everyone admits that the U.S. lost Vietnam, (Whether it was because of the Armed Forces or the Politicians is debated) but the Left is shamelessly working day-and-night to do Vietnam II. (ie: they knowingly want the U.S. to lose again.)

I think this used to be called Treason.

We didn't lose in Vietnam.
We lost in Washington DC.

326 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:09:49pm

re: #323 WrathofG-d

fine. But wouldn't the boomers want to WIN?

"Hell, NO ! We won't go!" there ...

327 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:10:02pm

re: #308 Mich-again

You either win or surrender. You don't just end a war by proclamation.


May I quote you?

328 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:10:10pm

re: #321 rawmuse

Exactly. This is the part that confuses me. You perfectly summed it up...but I am trying to figure out WHY!

Small mindedness perhaps? Short attention span? Personal gain over National greatness? Parental hatred. Stawman cause they knew they could win?

329 stevieray  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:10:38pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Because the 60's and early 70's was the glory days of the MSM; and the MSM still can partially define the agenda. That's when they held the most power and swayed the most people. They will try to fit every event into a pre-written New Left script -- brave, righteous underdog reporter/student/whistleblower fighting against the lying oppressive gov't./corporation/societal paradigm. They see themselves as the Keepers of the Flame of Truth and Justice, a role that gives them purpose, and a justification for playing fast-and-loose with the facts.

330 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:10:39pm

re: #313 newsjunkie_ky

And it was the first televised war and the msm won a great victory in shaping the outcome.

Cronkite lied.
Vietnamese died.

331 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:11:31pm

By treating Obama with kid gloves throughout the primary campaign the media has done him a disservice. Now when the questions get tougher and the scrutiny gets more intense he seems lost in his own words. He seems genuinely surprised that anyone would question what he said yesterday and note the difference between that and what he said three months ago.

The candidate who was so well spoken in those teleprompter speeches sounds like Tommy Flanagan when he has to ad lib answers to questions.

332 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:11:54pm

re: #323 WrathofG-d

fine. But wouldn't the boomers want to WIN?

No.
If there's a win this time round, it would put into question all they stood for in regard to Nixon/Vietnam.
Also - losing is somehow much nobler ... in their contorted minds.

333 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:12:05pm

OT Humor

This guy does the best GWB I've seen, really funny.

He also does a new Dish Network commercial. He says you can remoticate, holds up the remote stating they even put a French button, pause, on the remote which means stop. Pauseusay is pronounced with a French flair.

334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:12:09pm

re: #328 WrathofG-d

Exactly. This is the part that confuses me. You perfectly summed it up...but I am trying to figure out WHY!

Small mindedness perhaps? Short attention span? Personal gain over National greatness? Parental hatred. Stawman cause they knew they could win?

All of the above. For some people, having a good life leads to a sense of guilt. To fight the guilt, they attack the source of their success.

335 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:12:30pm

re: #329 stevieray

I guess although young I am old fashioned: I like to win, and I love my Country.

336 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #324 itellu3times

re: #307 itellu3times

Amen! Amen!

337 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:13:36pm

re: #331 Mich-again

By treating Obama with kid gloves throughout the primary campaign the media has done him a disservice. Now when the questions get tougher and the scrutiny gets more intense he seems lost in his own words. He seems genuinely surprised that anyone would question what he said yesterday and note the difference between that and what he said three months ago.

Well give him a break, he probably can't recall what kind of bs he was spouting at any given time in the past, and who can blame him?

338 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:13:39pm

re: #328 WrathofG-d

Having grown up during the era, I think the draft had a lot to do with the unpopularity of the Vietnam War.Ironic, because most of the protesters had college deferments, while the "lower" classes fought the war.

339 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:14:31pm

re: #328 WrathofG-d

Exactly. This is the part that confuses me. You perfectly summed it up...but I am trying to figure out WHY!

Small mindedness perhaps? Short attention span? Personal gain over National greatness? Parental hatred. Stawman cause they knew they could win?

Well, I have my own opinions, which include, among other things, demon possession (Charles discounts that one) but the long and short of it is, they hate America and want it replaced by Something Else. That means you attack America on all fronts, and by that, I mean every single one. The reputation of all we hold dear needs to be refuted and replaced by something else.

They've been doing it since about 1931.

340 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:14:44pm

re: #297 WrathofG-d

Maybe the older "Lizardoids" can help me out with this one.....why in the world are we still fighting Vietnam? Why are we still working within the Vietnam dynamic?

I feel as if the last 8 years or so (since I began paying attention) have been nothing but a rehashed "60's". They made Bush; Nixon, Iraq; Vietnam, The Islamists; "harmless" Communists, and Obama; Carter.

Wtheck?

Gramscian Whores.

341 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:01pm

(another) rain delay at Wimbleton, Federer-Nadal 4-4 sets, 2-2 games.

342 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:08pm

re: #332 yma o hyd

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Together what you say makes sense. Perhaps it is their own success guilt that makes them hate the United States (for being successful) and thus want this evil (parental figure) to lose.

If they win they feel they are taking advantage of the "other guy". Its like this multi-millionaires who fly out to Africa in their multi-thousand dollar clothes, with a private airplane, etc., yet brag about being "one with the people."

Clueless.

343 Captain Jack  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:29pm

Obama wishes he could reassure the nutroots that he is moving to the center in words only in order to win the votes of Joe and Jane who are only casually watching NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC and reading the NYT. He will then revert to his true form. By the time November comes the media will have whitewashed Obama into a patriotic, Iraq supporting centrist. I really don't see how McCain can win. The last time around the only criticism for Kerry came from a privately funded group of former veterans that ended up forcing media coverage of their claims. If Kerry were a republican the Swiftboat claims would have been used to make him unelectable but since Kerry is a democrat they covered it in order to debunk their claims. Kerry had over 20 years of voting on policy in the Senate yet NONE of his past positions were ever covered by the mainstream media. The more I watch the sicker I get. The only thing that consoles me is that there has never been a better time in history for an individual to find the best representation of the truth.

344 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:30pm

re: #341 itellu3times

(another) rain delay at Wimbleton, Federer-Nadal 4-4 sets, 2-2 games.

Um, 2-2 sets, 2-2 games

345 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:31pm

re: #303 WrathofG-d

Well I think Michelle told us about that one when she promised that Obam'uh will NOT LET US this and that (dont' remember the entire quote, but remember someone running for POTUS threatening to FORCE me to do something against my will)

Eat what we want. Drive the vehicles we want. That kind of stuff.

346 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:15:56pm

re: #328 WrathofG-d

Exactly. This is the part that confuses me. You perfectly summed it up...but I am trying to figure out WHY!

Small mindedness perhaps? Short attention span? Personal gain over National greatness? Parental hatred. Stawman cause they knew they could win?

Why do 56-year-old guys buy Porches and start dating 19-year-old women?

347 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky

Sure. But thats just common knowledge no?

348 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:16:28pm

re: #323 WrathofG-d

fine. But wouldn't the boomers want to WIN?

THEY want to win, just as THEY won the Vietnam War.
It's all about THEM, not about America or Vietnam or Iraq.

Wrath, I was there. I saw them weep and moan over the poor, poor Vietnamese peasants. I saw them dance in the streets when the US surrendered. But when America pulled out and the real bloodbath began, NOT A SINGLE TEAR. It wasn't about the peasants. It was all about THEM.

349 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:16:29pm

re: #341 itellu3times

(another) rain delay at Wimbleton, Federer-Nadal 4-4 sets, 2-2 games.

I for one cannot bear to watch it - but Pat Cash said that delays may work against Nadal ...

(C'mon, Roger - do it!)

350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:16:35pm

re: #338 vagabond trader

Having grown up during the era, I think the draft had a lot to do with the unpopularity of the Vietnam War.Ironic, because most of the protesters had college deferments, while the "lower" classes fought the war.

Given some of Obama's ideas on "mandatory volunteers" and expanding the military by 100,000, I won't be suprised by the draft reappearing should he be elected.

351 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:17:09pm

re: #338 vagabond trader

again, I am old fashioned. Although I have not enlisted, I would proudly go and serve my country if called upon.

My Country has done everything for myself and my family....I love this place. If they call upon me, and thus really need me, it would be the least I could do to serve it.

~Guess I was raised not to be a selfish ingrate.

352 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:18:10pm

re: #351 WrathofG-d

again, I am old fashioned. Although I have not enlisted, I would proudly go and serve my country if called upon.

My Country has done everything for myself and my family....I love this place. If they call upon me, and thus really need me, it would be the least I could do to serve it.

~Guess I was raised not to be a selfish ingrate to be a true American.

353 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:18:33pm
354 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:18:57pm

re: #312 bellamags

Does anyone remember the links on Laura Ingram and Hugh Hewitts websites to the audio of Dorhn and Ayers? They each were speaking to an audience (separately and i believe different times). I clearly remember Dorhn saying "we are now in the belly of the beast" referring to Obamas "closeness" to the presidency. The topic of the speeches was taking down the "imperialist empire" of America. This can potentially be huge in taking down Obama.

Here's some of what I have about that. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

355 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:18:59pm

re: #333 jorline

Funny! I love those Dish Network commercials, too. :)

/good impression of Clinton in there too- "isn't Here just There without a 'T'?" lol

356 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:19:06pm

re: #346 RedPepper

Why do 56-year-old guys buy Porches and start "dating" 19-year-old women?

It would seem to me that with that much of an age difference, the quotation marks are needed.

357 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:19:27pm

re: #351 WrathofG-d

There are plenty of fine Americans who obviously feel the same way. Despite what an elitist ass like Kerry says, these men and women CHOOSE to serve in the military.

358 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:20:24pm

re: #333 jorline

His Bush imitation is the only one I've seen that is not mean-spirited or partisan. It's pretty cute.

359 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:20:25pm

re: #346 RedPepper

Why do 56-year-old guys buy Porches and start dating 19-year-old women?

My house came with two porches. One in front and the other in back.

360 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:20:27pm

re: #357 vagabond trader

There are plenty of fine Americans who obviously feel the same way. Despite what an elitist ass like Kerry says, these men and women CHOOSE to serve in the military.

The left is unable to make any sense out of that fact.

361 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:20:40pm

re: #356 Macker

It would seem to me that with that much of an age difference, the quotation marks are needed.

Not if you're "God's Gift" !

362 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:20:42pm

re: #127 rawmuse

AAAAAAMEN!

I was a Rudy girl myself, but that didn't pan out. I share everybody's concerns about the conservative movement and McCain's effect on it. But Republican voters decided on McCain, and I'm going along with that decision.

For those who say it was independent and Democrat voters who pushed McCain over the edge, even if that's true: remember, a lot of them were not happy with Hillary, and quite a few weren't all that thrilled with Obama either---they went for McCain probably because they were seriously contemplating voting GOP. This makes them at least potential Republican voters.

363 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:21:13pm
364 NonNativeTexan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:21:21pm

What gets me is how the MSM never seems to mention that
JFK got us into Vietnam, LBJ escalated it.
By the way, JFK would be hated today by the left,
he at least believed in fighting evil in this world.

365 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:21:52pm

re: #357 vagabond trader

re: #352 VegasRick

I'll point out upon my own volition, and freely admit (before the lurkers, and haters do) that I am a punk for not enlisting without being drafted. A bit of a coward in that way I guess. Pretty tough with the "i woulds" but not the "i ams". I know this.

But I do honestly know that if I or my (future) children were ever called up, I'd go quickly and proudly (and be scared poopless in the process)

366 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:21:58pm

re: #338 vagabond trader

Having grown up during the era, I think the draft had a lot to do with the unpopularity of the Vietnam War.Ironic, because most of the protesters had college deferments, while the "lower" classes fought the war.

Spoiled brats.

367 Captain Jack  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:22:01pm

Also, the fact that Obama has made it this far is not a sign of racism being conquered but rather a sign that it is alive and well. No candidate of any skin color should have made it this far with his liabilities and mistakes. I have seen youtube clips of Obama where he is trying to speak extemporaneously and he sounds like a fool. At one townhall meeting he gets totally lost and impolres the audience to hang in there because the words are coming to him. Had McCain put on even one of the Obama bloopers (when he is off the teleprompter) it would have played endlessly and it would have essentially ended his run.

368 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:22:39pm

re: #339 rawmuse

HEY HEY HO HO
WESTERN CIV HAS GOT TO GO

369 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:23:55pm

re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It would actually be quite amusing watching twenty something pampered little parasites being forcibly detached from Mommy's teat.

370 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:24:02pm

re: #357 vagabond trader

There are plenty of fine Americans who obviously feel the same way. Despite what an elitist ass like Kerry says, these men and women CHOOSE to serve in the military.

Thing is - as the British Armed Forces know very well! - if you get people who choose to serve, you get those who are committed and who give therefore a much better service.

The British armed Forces do not want conscription, never mind how stretched they are. They want committed profesionals, as do the Armed Forces of the USA.
You get conscription - you get malcontents and standards slip.

In a major WW obviously the conditions would be different.

371 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:24:15pm

re: #368 wolfie

WAKE UP & SMELL THE TEARGAS

372 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:24:18pm

re: #355 gop_patriot

Funny! I love those Dish Network commercials, too. :)

/good impression of Clinton in there too- "isn't Here just There without a 'T'?" lol

That Clinton impression is on the link. Watch the out-takes I posted on #363.

373 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:25:18pm

re: #346 RedPepper

Why do 56-year-old guys buy Porches and start dating 19-year-old women?

Was that rhetorical or would you like my theory?

374 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:25:29pm

re: #366 wolfie

As are their spawn.

375 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:26:04pm

re: #368 wolfie

HEY HEY HO HO
WESTERN CIV HAS GOT TO GO

'Cause the Killing Fields are more enlightening!

376 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:27:01pm

re: #358 wolfie

His Bush imitation is the only one I've seen that is not mean-spirited or partisan. It's pretty cute.

He does a great job. I love GWB, but he is a sitting duck for comedians...look at 363, very funny.

377 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:27:07pm

re: #367 Captain Jack

The first time I saw that video clip I thought it was a spoof. But no, the guy really went into brain fart mode and stood there stammering and stuttering. If he were a jukebox someone would have smacked him.

378 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:27:13pm

re: #372 jorline

That Clinton impression is on the link.

I know! That's where I saw it. LOL ;) Those outtakes are funny, too.

379 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:28:00pm

re: #373 goddessoftheclassroom

Knock yourself out, goddess.

I'm partial to the theory expressed in Moonstruck, myself ...

380 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:29:38pm

The military doesn't want anyone who doesn't want to be there.

who do you think the e-6's want as commander in chief a guy who has been there in the Hanoi Hilton or someone who was in Harvard law on a full ride because of his skin color like obama's wifie?

381 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:29:49pm

re: #379 RedPepper

Knock yourself out, goddess.

I'm partial to the theory expressed in Moonstruck, myself ...

They're afraid of death?

/one of my favorite movies ever... :)
//"Cosmo, no matter what you do, you're going to die, just like everybody else." "Thanks, Rose." "You're welcome." "I'm goin' to bed now." LOL

382 BignJames  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:30:01pm

re: #373 goddessoftheclassroom

Was that rhetorical or would you like my theory?

Mark Russel says they either do that or buy a motorcycle or spy on their country.....maybe he's a patriot.

383 Celtic Templar  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:30:23pm

What I don't get, and please feel free to educate me, is the reference to Vietnam as a war, to Iraq as a war. Vietnam was a battlefield as was Nicaragua and Afghanistan in a far larger war with the U.S.S.R. The media, hollywood, hippies only delayed the end of the U.S.S.R. and caused more casualties and suffering.

As far as Iraq, is it a war? I would maybe call it a theater of operations. Battle of Baghdad and occupation and reconstruction of Iraq, o.k. But the war is against a larger enemy, GWOT or that special 10% of Islam that wants all of us beheaded (~100 million enemies if CAIRs numbers are to be believed). Our foothold in Iraq was necessary (and removing a sponsor of terrorism and general all round scum bag at the same time is a good thing). 550tons of yellow cake being shipped to Canada is only part of what the cleanup involves. Friendly relationships and a continuing military presence in the region is why we should never propose to leave the area until we are asked by our host country (ala Saudi Arabia).

It seems there are just so many naieve people that don't get it and so many domestic insurgents, who do and are actively trying to thwart the U.S. Just frustrated by my fellow American who buys the Obama/MSM crap in a bag with a smile.

384 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:32:13pm

obama reminds me of the kid prank were you put shit in a paper bag light the bag then ring the door bell and run.

385 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:32:28pm

re: #286 trulyyours

Now he's going to give a speech in Berlin....I can hear it now "Mr. Putin, please, oh pretty please, rebuild this wall!"

"You will bury us! ....Please?"

386 beens21  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:33:09pm

surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured. I wasn't saying anything I hadn't said before, that I didn't say a year ago or when I was a United States senator," said Obama, who is still a senator from Illinois. I guess he thinks his present job is President -in -waiting.

387 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:34:29pm

re: #383 Celtic Templar

Some people are like Slinky's.... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

388 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #384 yochanan

obama reminds me of the kid prank were you put shit in a paper bag light the bag then ring the door bell and run.

The flaming-bag-of-dog-poo trick? One of my favorites.

389 Captain Jack  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:35:11pm

377- Here is the link for that Townhall meeting gaffe. I actually cut these guys some slack because they do dozens of these meetings and I would expect mistakes. The point is that if this was McCain not Obama it really would have been over. The media would play it endlessly (like George Allen's "Macacca" supposed racial slur) and it would have been over for McCain. That is the big worry in this election. 1 misstep by McCain could be curtains while endless mistakes by Obama simply go unreported.

390 swamprat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:35:32pm

Willing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! We're winning in Iraq, but we can Change! Giving Hope to the enemies of freedom all over the world! It takes real effort to actually help people, but forget about it; I'm a LightWorker!

Hard work! Difficult decisions! Real answers!: Not on this side of the aisle!

391 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:36:10pm

re: #381 gop_patriot

Cosmo : What's the matter, Pop?
Papa Castorini : I'm confused ...

392 yehoshua  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:36:24pm
393 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:36:36pm

re: #377 Mich-again

The first time I saw that video clip I thought it was a spoof. But no, the guy really went into brain fart mode and stood there stammering and stuttering. If he were a jukebox someone would have smacked him.

That was the best crowd they could get for him in Bristol VA. And they were not swooning.

I think he was terrified. He'd never faced an indifferent audience before.

The most pathetic moment is in the middle of his verbal stumbling when he says (as if to excuse his own confusion), "I know you're all fired up." And you look at the audience and there's nothing, nada.
They're about as "fired up" as Mr Wolf is when I ask him to clean the garage.

394 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #388 MandyManners

the only question is is he the flaming bag or the poop?

395 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:37:17pm

ABBA foursome make rare appearance

/Agnetha and Frida have not aged well

396 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:37:35pm

re: #379 RedPepper

Knock yourself out, goddess.

I'm partial to the theory expressed in Moonstruck, myself ...

In my personal experience, it's an attack of Peter Pan syndrome. He looks around, realizes he's getting older, and resents the commitments he's made and the responsibilities he has. Selfish "feelings" trump honor. He then becomes filled with self-disgust and has to transfer the blame to his wife and kids.

We are our choices. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity...

397 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:38:36pm

ich bin ein Verräter! a la Kennedy.


George, bring those troops home now! a la Reagan.


Once more, some one will defile the US while not on US soil. And he wants to be President..........

God Help US.

398 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:39:06pm

re: #389 Captain Jack

That's why I fear Obama will actually win.

399 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:39:17pm

Change=fickle
Hope=no plans

400 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:39:22pm

re: #394 yochanan

Both, he's the Obama after all. Change!

401 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:40:07pm

re: #389 Captain Jack

1 misstep by McCain could be curtains while endless mistakes by Obama simply go unreported.

Exactly. They're not even trying to hide their bias anymore. When I was in Memphis last week, a local DJ on a metal/rock station couldn't contain himself and started singing Obama's praises between songs.

It's become completely, utterly, over-the-top ridiculous.

402 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:40:42pm

re: #389 Captain Jack

He never did say how much it would cost...

403 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:41:05pm

5-4 Federer in the fifth on serve.

404 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:41:10pm

re: #396 goddessoftheclassroom

Can't disagree with a word of that.

I would add, the urge to relive your "glory days" ...

405 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:41:55pm

re: #389 Captain Jack

hahahhahhahahah. Wow. This really points to the fact that he is nothing but a speech reader. I make that mistake all the time, but only when I am trying to remember every exact word from a speech I have memorized.

Amazing.

406 NonNativeTexan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:42:58pm

re: #389 Captain Jack

The point is that if this was McCain not Obama it really would have been over.


But, I have to admit McCain on a teleprompter is hard to watch
unless I'm on my third scotch.

407 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:00pm

re: #403 itellu3times

5-4 Federer in the fifth on serve.

C'mon Roger!

My nerves - can't bear to watch ...!

408 Captain Jack  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:14pm

My guess is that there will be either true McCain misstep that will get played endlessly or some kind of "wag the dog" coordinated leftist display of "racism" that will get blamed on McCain supporters (or at least be representative of some level of racism). If a bunch of leftists got together nationally and started spray painting anti black and anti Obama messages around the country the media would posit that the only way to show we are really a post racial country is to elect Obama.

409 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:16pm

re: #399 David IV of Georgia

Change=fickle
Hope=no plans

Excellent observation. Someone should put that on a shirt along with the "NObama" slash-circle thing.

410 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:19pm

re: #257 Killian Bundy

If you are doing the Lord's work I don't think you will refer to a baby as punishment.

411 Blackacre  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:31pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, corrected a few typos...try again FBV...

Sacrifice for the Common Good", By Senator Barack Obama...

"I lived overseas for a time as a child, and I remember listening to my mother reading me the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and explaining how it ideas applied to every American, black and white and brown alike. She told me that those words, and the words of the United States Constitution, protected us from the brutal injustices we witnessed other people suffering during those years abroad."

I wonder whether he knows that the first line of declaration is not "We hold these truths to be self-evident . . .," but rather "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

I wonder whether he knows that the words of Jefferson's preamble received relatively little attention from the drafters of the declaration.

I wonder whether he knows that it was the list of grievances -- the declaration of "the causes which impel them to the separation" -- that garnered the lion's share of the attention of the drafters.

I wonder whether he knows that the sentences that begin with the words "He has ..." and "For ..." were the passages of primary importance to the declaration when it was drafted. As in, for example, "He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance," and "For imposing taxes on us without our consent."

I have serious questions whether he knows even half of that. No matter to him; they're "just words."

412 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:43:48pm

re: #394 yochanan

the only question is is he the flaming bag or the poop?

Hmmmmm...maybe he's just the bag and Soros is the poop.

413 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:44:10pm

re: #392 yehoshua

OT:
I disagree with his framing/labeling of the issue (ie: calling it such-and-such problem) but that is a perfect way out of all the killing.

Voluntary Transfer....why didn't someone else think of that.

Now we just have to wonder why Al-Kadima won't let them go.

414 kansas  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:44:16pm

Obama 08
You Can Count on Me To Change

415 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:45:17pm

re: #414 kansas

or as it is said around these parts. "08ing Change".

416 Captain Jack  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:00pm

405- I wish I were black or dark skinned when I screw up in from of an audience. Being half irish makes for a red flush appearance that is hard not to notice and throws you off even more.

417 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:10pm

re: #403 itellu3times
AND WE CARE ABOUT THIS WHY?

418 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:17pm

re: #210 jcm

IMHO we have yet to respond properly to 9-11-01.

419 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:19pm

If so many are already spouting for BO, at the beginning of July, there are good chances that come November they'll have becoma so utterly bored by it all, they'll have gon on to other things.

I somehow can't see this as a groundswell of people being for BO - it looks too manipulated for me.

420 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:32pm

re: #391 RedPepper

=) So many good quotes in that movie.

"This is modern times! There ain't no miracles no more!"
"It ain't modern times in Sicily!"

421 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:46:59pm

re: #417 yochanan

AND WE CARE ABOUT THIS WHY?

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

422 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:47:04pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Hmmmmm...maybe he's just the bag and Soros is the poop.

Obama's the bag of poop that Soros is flinging at our doorstep...

423 rlevitin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:47:50pm

re: #149 WrathofG-d

ot:

City in the Crosshairs: Life in Sderot (video)

What surrender, appeasement, and negotiations get you when you're doing it with Islamic Terrorists.

Good video, is that a part of a larger documentary? It looks very well made/well edited. Do you know where I can find more?

424 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:47:52pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Just so ...!

425 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:47:54pm

re: #395 Killian Bundy

ABBA foursome make rare appearance

/Agnetha and Frida have not aged well

Mr. Darcy!

*swoon*

426 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:48:36pm

re: #396 goddessoftheclassroom

(((((gotc)))))

427 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:50:17pm

re: #418 Ojoe

OBAMA thinks it should have been a matter for the police and courts. At least President Bush knew it was WAR!

428 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:50:21pm

re: #421 itellu3times

But why are we rooting for Federer over Nadal?
Because he's better looking? (Works for me.)

429 WrathofG-d  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:50:32pm

re: #423 rlevitin

Good video, is that a part of a larger documentary? It looks very well made/well edited. Do you know where I can find more?

Sorry. I do not know. I found it on a wonderful site. Carl In Jerusalem. (Israel Matsav)

430 rlevitin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:51:30pm

re: #392 yehoshua

Finally, a sensible way of eliminating rocket fire from Gaza.

That would be great in an ideal world, unfortunately, it will never happen (or at least, not any time soon, until something drastic changes on the ground).

431 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:51:39pm

re: #404 RedPepper

Can't disagree with a word of that.

I would add, the urge to relive your "glory days" ...

Or tell yourself that you never had them before so deserve them now...

432 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:52:53pm

re: #426 MandyManners

(((((gotc)))))

{MandyManners)

Thanks, dear.

433 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:01pm

re: #420 gop_patriot

Loretta : Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. It has been two months since my last confession.
Priest : What sins have you to confess?
Loretta : Twice I took the name of the Lord in vain, once I slept with the brother of my fiancee, and once I bounced a check at the liquor store, but that was really an accident.
Priest : Then it's not a sin. But... what was that second thing you said, Loretta?

434 kansas  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:50pm

:)re: #172 jorline

Hey! I think we can all get along without using that kind of language here. I don't appreciate using the O word. Plus I had to link to it. Now I want to gouge my eyes out.
Seriously, how can this pompous ass continue to make a living on TV?

435 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:54:25pm

re: #431 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, or that ...

436 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:02pm

"Run away, run away!"

437 Render  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:13pm

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

“If you are fighting to install sharia [Islamic law] on this country, you are going to have to be killed,” said Colonel David Brown, an American adviser to 2nd Division."

DATS
RIGHT,
R

438 bellamags  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:45pm

gotta go. major storms in area. see ya lizzies.

439 HDrepub  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:57:02pm