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Dubai: Slavery's New Mecca

Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:47:02 pm PDT

In Dubai, the Arab country that tried to buy a controlling interest in American seaports and a 20% interest in the NASDAQ stock exchange, slavery is alive and well.

To enter Dubai’s most notorious brothel, the Cyclone, I paid $16 for a ticket that the bursar stamped with the official seal of the Department of Tourism & Commerce Marketing. Prostitution is illegal in Dubai, whose laws are rooted in Islam, with penalties ranging up to death. But the stamp was only the first of several contradictions in a place of slavery for women that one well-travelled British monger referred to as “Disneyland for men.”

One sign read No Soliciting; another read No Camouflage in the Disco Area. In the club, no less than 500 prostitutes solicited a couple dozen prospective clients, some Western servicemen among them.

An Indian living in London owned the place, and had not updated the decor in a decade, as if taste would reduce the charm and thus deter tourists. I walked over to the bar, and two Korean girls, who looked no older than 15 and claimed to be sisters, approached me.

“Do you want massage?” one asked.

While the strobe lights, the loud music and the general whirlpool of anxious femininity lent an air of abject chaos, the place was carefully ordered by race. Stage left was a crush of Chinese, Taiwanese and Korean women; centre stage were sub-Saharan Africans; stage right were Eastern European and Central Asian women, who initially identified themselves as Russians, but later revealed specifically that they were Bulgarian, Ukrainian, Uzbek and Moldovan.

A young Chinese woman wore a childlike perfume. The club bathed her in black light, so that she appeared like a radioactive negative of herself. In broken English, she explained that she had arrived in Dubai 28 days earlier, having been promised a job as a maid. Instead, human smugglers known as snakeheads sold her to a madam who forced her to pay off a debt by selling sex here. She trembled as she said that she just wanted to go home.

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1 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:49:50pm

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2 gopninja  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:49:57pm

jesus christ.

3 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:50:02pm

Maybe it's time to do some empire-building and impose civilization on the world.

4 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:50:51pm

Oh my God. I am just sick for these girls.

Hmm... wonder when we'll hear from the feminist organizations about this horrible situation? Guess I shouldn't hold my breath... >:(

5 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:51:08pm

Revolting. Unfortunately, it's closer than some may realize.

[Link: www.iabolish.org...]

6 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:51:21pm

This isn't just slavery. This is state-sanctioned RAPE.

7 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:51:34pm

Western Christian values are superior, not the least because we've paid for them.
Union dead at Gettysburg.

8 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:52:49pm

Time for a thug hunt?

9 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:25pm
She trembled as she said that she just wanted to go home.

::sigh::

The horror that poor girl's life must be. For all of them.

And we were ridiculed for objecting to Dubai's plans...

10 Catttt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:29pm

What used to be called "white slavery" - the forced prostitution, coertion, and captivity of women, has never slowed down in the Middle East. Slavery of any kind is imho worse than death. It is hell on earth.

It really is disgusting and frustrating that there is not more being done to stop this. Instead, we - and by that I mean the West - are helping to fund it.

11 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:36pm

But ... they're all infidels, no? So its ok, according to the book of the ROP.

Its not just in a place like that where there are modern slaves - they are doing all the hard work the Ayrabs are too good for.

I so loathe that ROP, I have no words to describe it.

12 The_Vig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:36pm

I wondered why Dubia was growing so quickly.

13 Shug  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:53:36pm
No Camouflage in the Disco Area

rotating title nomination

14 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:54:12pm

Next time someone tells you about the wonders of Dubai, [Link: images.google.com...] point them to this article.

15 The_Vig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:54:40pm

So, do you think NOW or any other femisinist groups will say anything? I would love to here Obama answer this question.

16 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #13 Shug

No Camouflage in the Disco Area

rotating title nomination

Seconded.

17 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:55:27pm

Good thing they have Sharia law to protect those women from abuse.

18 Blackacre  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:55:39pm

Slavery and Arabs? Surely those two words don't belong in the same sentence together.
/

19 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:05pm

re: #15 The_Vig

So, do you think NOW or any other femisinist groups will say anything? I would love to here Obama answer this question.


None of them will say a word - that would be, like, 'cultural imperialism', wouldn't it.
Feh.
Spit.

20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:18pm

Given the choice between allowing this or "ruthless Western Imperialism", I say hail the Empire.

21 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:56:41pm

re: #19 yma o hyd

Maybe Hillary will say something.

22 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:57:10pm

re: #15 The_Vig

So, do you think NOW or any other femisinist groups will say anything? I would love to here Obama answer this question.

That stupid bastard would tell us it's all the West's fault, that we have a sick soul that can only be cured by him.

23 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:57:20pm

NOW and Code Pink were unavailable for comment. They are busy bashing the President.

24 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:57:51pm

I'm gonna' get outta' here before I post something I'll regret.

Off to the park!

25 BignJames  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:57:52pm

Such swell folks.

/

26 Shug  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:58:00pm

The strip joint features full facial nudity, and in the champange room upstairs you can pay extra to see wrists and ankles

27 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:58:17pm

re: #21 Ojoe

Maybe Hillary will say something.

Has she said anything about the 'honour' killings in her own country?
About FGM?
Why would she worry about Dubai? She's not even got the nomination ... life goes on for her, she's gotta earn money!

But - will Michelle say anything?

28 The_Vig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:58:33pm

The big problem is that if any country makes an issue of it, it will just be driven underground. Is that better or worse?

29 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:58:54pm

Not just Dubai.

Thailand
Brunai (sp)

Nick Kristoff has done yeoman's work on sex slaves. Darrell Hannah has actually rescued a child or two.

30 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 12:59:45pm

re: #21 Ojoe

Maybe Hillary will say something.

Maybe Bill will.

31 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:03pm

Was that Indian owner from Hyderabad ... the Islamic Outsourcing center to serve Arab Masters....

32 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:07pm

China doesn't have enough women as it is, because of their forced 'one child' policy. I wonder what the Chinese government has to say about it's female citizens being held captive and forced into prostitution in Dubai?

Not that I'm expecting China's gov't to do anything about it, they're hardly to be looked to for any kind of moral standard. But they do have alot of national/ethnic pride, and I don't ever hear of them responding to anything like this...

33 stevieray  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:12pm

Odd... there doesn't seem to be any mention of Middle Eastern women in the brothel. Truly strange! I wonder why that would be...?

34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:15pm

How will the Lightworker bring Hope and Change to these people?

35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:33pm

re: #33 stevieray

Odd... there doesn't seem to be any mention of Middle Eastern women in the brothel. Truly strange! I wonder why that would be...?

Honor killings.

36 yesandno  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:00:43pm

but, but, how can this be?

Only people in the world ever enslaved were in the US...and they are still enslaved to big business, and corporate toadies, Republicans, evil empire building neo0cons. Why, we enslave the world.

What ever this is in Dubai, it ain't slavery...just ask the people paying to be "entertained". They will tell you all about the evil US> And after all, it is a woman's right to choose so it can't possibly be rape.

/channeling liberals......and autocrats....and fascists....and Marxists and loonies the world over.

37 dekalb  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:01:09pm

#3 Jaunte

Agreed. Western civilization should get over the guilt about colonialism and look at these areas that are not civilized.

"Civilization" does not exist in the islamic world. Just think of Belloc's question when searching for a definition of the term: can a culture sustain itself? These people in these benighted lands cannot, and it is not for genetic reasons. That evil ideology is to blame.

38 M. Murcek  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:01:16pm

This entire book is worth a read. The world has some big, bad problems and slavery is about the worst...

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:02:15pm

If this story bothers you, do not read Caliphate". Like it is taken directly from this story.

40 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:02:32pm
When the woman met Alina at the airport, she told her what her real work would be. Without her passport, without any money, without any local contacts, she had no choice but to go with the woman to the Cyclone. From then on, her life was a blur
of clients -- American, European, Indian, and mostly Arab. Some men purchased oral sex in the "VIP Room" above the bar, but they normally took Alina to a hotel or apartment. They were often violent.

"Many problem customers," she said, particularly among the Arabs.

It' a damn shame that NOW won't utter a word about any of this.
F*** Islam and all its' contradictions. Denial seems to be a tenet of that effed up book,also.

41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:02:54pm

Casts a new light on that article in the previous thread saying the Palis should be transfered to Dubai. It also explains why so many of the Pali elite have their families there.

42 sadhu  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:03:35pm

Tennis anyone?

this is some match!

43 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:03:47pm

horrifying.
where's code pinko, NOW and shouldn't rev wright be screaming god damn dubai.

44 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:03:52pm

"An Indian living in London owned the place."
I wonder if his neighbors are aware he's a pimp.

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:04:41pm

re: #42 sadhu

Yep.

46 mikalm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:05:20pm

re: #26 Shug

The strip joint features full facial nudity, and in the champange room upstairs you can pay extra to see wrists and ankles

But there's still no sex in the champagne room!

47 George guy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:05:39pm

re: #33 stevieray

Odd... there doesn't seem to be any mention of Middle Eastern women in the brothel. Truly strange! I wonder why that would be...?

Middle Eastern women are held to a "higher" standard and killed if they even take their bags off, to say nothing about prostitution.

48 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:05:55pm

Almost every Islamic "value" or "virtue" was once practiced in the West if anyone looks deep enough into the depths of history.

We grew up.

I think some adults need to teach some children whiny brats how adults behave.

[deleted]

49 mikalm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:07:01pm

And on a more serious note:

[deleted]

50 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:07:12pm

infidel women get NO protection under sharia law.

51 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:07:42pm

I don't dare comment. I can't say what I'm thinking.

I hate slavery.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:07:45pm

So, who's the Indian guy paying off?

53 Catttt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:08:00pm

IMHO, the liberals, as a class, are incredibly self-centered. They pretend to be egalitarian, but they really don't give a flip about young, poor, helpless foreign women forced into prostitution and slavery.

They lack the capacity to see themselves in the shoes of, for example, that young Chinese woman. Empathy for human life - one life at a time, no matter who or where the life is - seems to either be missing from liberals or comes with caveats and excuses.

I keep thinking of all those years Afghans - and especially the women - were suffering. I never heard boo from them (and it was no secret). When did they get upset? When a couple of stone Buddhas were blown up.

54 Natasha  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:08:26pm

This is the kind of crap that makes me fly into a blind rage and want to bash some heads in.
[the rest self-deleted].

55 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:08:52pm

re: #4 gop_patriot

You'd pass out, and it would make no difference.

Try joining I.abolish. They can't do much, but they do at least try.

56 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:08:52pm

Standard explanation by Muslims for this sort of thing is that countries such as Dubai are Western puppet states, where true Islamic government has been precluded by outsiders.

Regarding the question of why there are no Arab women in the brothel: because it would be scandalous.

57 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:09:34pm

and this is news? slavery has always been in the muslim world HELL muslims even try to do it in america.

58 The_Vig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:10:06pm

I wonder if there are any American women there that need to be rescued?

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:10:48pm

To say nothing of the men who patronize the place. Let's not foget the other evil.

60 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:11:06pm

Here is a significant quote from a FrontPage Magazine symposium:
"Muslim women must always keep their 'meat' covered whenever they venture out.

Infidel women who do not hide their 'meat' inside Jilbab and Hijab are either maidservants or whores.

The white Australian women who do not dress Islamically are maidservants or whores.

In Islam, Muslim men are allowed to have unlimited sexual intercourse with maidservants and/or sexual slaves. A Muslim man commits rape if and only if he has sex with a Muslim woman out of wedlock. Having forced sex with an infidel, uncovered woman does not at all constitute rape, Islamically speaking.

The natural conclusion is that Muslim men are completely free to Islamically rape these infidel women, if these whores fall in Muslim men's hands.

I quoted from the Koran and the tafsir of ibn Kathir to dispel any doubt that the non-Muslims might have about the unremitting hatred Islam has for infidel women, who do not comply with the Islamic specifications of women’s dress code."

Says it all.

([Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]

61 NoSubmission  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:11:26pm

Can anyone explain what a 'childlike perfume' is?

/sickened

62 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:11:30pm

If you are outraged by this, go here and help them.

Yes, there's a limit to what they can do. They won't - can't - hire mercenaries and train villages to defend themselves against the current slave raiders. They can't save everyone, and there's a limit to how many people they can buy out.

But they are the only organization that's really doing anything about slavery.

63 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:11:45pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glad someone got to that. NOT a victimless crime, and NOT only a problem in the ME.

64 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:11:51pm

The more I hear stories like this the more I wish the accusations of American Imperialism were true.

65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:13:06pm

re: #64 DeathtotheSwiss

The more I hear stories like this the more I wish the accusations of American Imperialism were true.

I would have no problem with sending in a division or 2 and turning it into a USA protectorate for a few decades.

66 stevieray  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:13:10pm

People... I know why there aren't any Arab women in the brothels. I was being snarky!

[Sigh. I guess I gotta work on my snark. Nobody seems to get it.]

67 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:14:13pm

re: #61 NoSubmission

Can anyone explain what a 'childlike perfume' is?

/sickened

probably something that smells like bubble gum.

68 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:14:51pm

[deleted] [deleted] [deleted].

69 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:14:53pm

re: #24 MandyManners

I'm gonna' get outta' here before I post something I'll regret.

Off to the park!


Enjoy. Try to stay cool. Yesterday I discovered that one of my children has a new neighbor. A Lebanese muslim with full burka clad wife and weird discordant music lofting within earshot of his deck and into his house five times a day. This fairly young child of mine has been preaching to his intolerant "old man" for years now that I should be more understanding of different cultures and religions.
*cough*
If there are any words of wisdom I can impart to younger folks, it would be this; life is funny, the things you say and the positions you take on issues in your youth have a way of coming back to haunt you later in life.

70 Natasha  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:15:36pm

re: #58 The_Vig

Probably not, mainly because of the way the filthy pimps operate. Of course, they do, on occasion, kidnap a hapless drunken tourist girl out of a nightclub, but mostly they work by placing "want ads" in papers that appear completely legit: translator, nanny, maid, tutor for a child, jazz dancer, nurse's aide, whatnot... The women (at least ones they kidnap from Russia and Eastern Europe) are normally from economically backward areas and are easily lured by such a prospect. Often they do not know what awaits them until it is too late. I doubt an American woman will fall for something like this.

71 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:15:44pm

re: #55 Dianna

Thank you. I'll look them up.

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:16:18pm

Nadal Wins!

73 NoSubmission  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:16:39pm

Isn't Dubai the place where they created those fake 'islands'? The palm thingy and that 'world' complex, you know the one where there is every country recreated but no Israel? The country where 'humanitarian' Angelina Jolie and her pet, Brad Pitt bought a multi-million dollar place?

74 The_Vig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:16:48pm

re: #70 Natasha

Well I say we send in a division just to check and make sure.

75 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:17:08pm

re: #69 EC Marm

Sigh.
I am mean-spirited enough to hope that the neighbors drive your child bonkers sane.

76 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:17:09pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nadal Wins!

Byger.
No cow for Federer this year then, what a pity ..

77 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:18:09pm

re: #73 NoSubmission

Isn't Dubai the place where they created those fake 'islands'? The palm thingy and that 'world' complex, you know the one where there is every country recreated but no Israel? The country where 'humanitarian' Angelina Jolie and her pet, Brad Pitt bought a multi-million dollar place?

Yep - and lots and lots of Dubaianers built those islands with their own fair hands - NOT!

78 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:18:34pm

re: #66 stevieray

there is a reason muslim women are
BLACK BAG LADIES THE ONES I HAVE SEEN ARE BEYOND FUGLY and they are doing us a favor by putting them in the bag

scarcism need i?

79 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:19:00pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nadal Wins!

Whoa! Isn't this his first Wimbledon?

80 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:19:06pm

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, who's the Indian guy paying off?

"FBV" -

You Got It - "FOLLOW THE MONEY" and see where it leads.

-S-

81 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:19:31pm

re: #79 wolfie

Whoa! Isn't this his first Wimbledon?

No - he lost last year, to Federer.

82 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:19:39pm

re: #76 yma o hyd

that and 2$ will give me a large cup of joe at dunkin donuts

83 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:20:26pm

re: #61 NoSubmission

Can anyone explain what a 'childlike perfume' is?

/sickened


Probably a combination of Crayola crayon, silly putty, poster paint, glue stick, and all the other fun activities the poor girl would be doing if she hadn't had her life taken from her.

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:20:26pm

re: #81 yma o hyd

No - he lost last year, to Federer.

And the year before....I think.

85 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:20:52pm

now i might watch womens beach volleyball just for the sport of it

YEAH RIGHT.

86 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:21:20pm

Until this horror ends, no visas should be given to citizens of the UAE. Any UAE students currently studying here should be deported. Forbid any American company from doing business with the UAE until they take this seriously. Cancel flights between the US and UAE and pull the embassy.

This should be our stance with ANY country that allows this crap.

87 yma o hyd  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:21:21pm

G'night, Lizards - back tomorrow, all things being well.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday!

88 Radar  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:21:25pm

Did you ever look at this culture of theirs, with Dubai being the "crown jewel" of their "achievement" and think to yourself...

This culture is just a huge mysogynistic, hedonistic, cultural version of a massive inferiority and insecurity complex.

I mean, look at their buildings and the island resorts. It all says

"We are incredibly insecure* so we hide it by building massive things without thought for the future or consequences. Nor do we even know how to create actual, sustainable wealth but will gladly plow ahead and benefit from the fact that we sit on an ocean of oil that without the need of a truly productive culture we would be completely screwed. And the great thing is is that we can do it all while criticizing Americans for being fat, lazy, shortsighted and greedy...I mean, look at how tall that sucker is! Would you like a hand job from our Chinese girl? We just imported her yesterday"

And people call Americans greedy and materialistic. Shit, we got nothing on them. Not even close.

Besides that, Arabic cultures is one of the most xenophobic and racist on the planet.

*Think about it. What does it say about a culture that doesn't allow women to show skin for fear that the men (who claim to be so "in control of everything and superior") will not be able to control themselves if they see an glimpse of ankle. That's classic inferiority complex. They don't "honor" their women, they FEAR them. They fear and loathe everything about them, thus they must control what they fear. They are a weak and despicable culture.

Bah.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:21:41pm

re: #85 yochanan

Gabby Reese? drool.

90 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:21:52pm

re: #73 NoSubmission

Yes, they also host a film festival there, attended by actors like George Clooney and Sharon Stone.

91 yehoshua  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:22:31pm

Say bye-bye to Gazans and send them to Dubai!

92 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:22:35pm

re: #88 Radar

JUST THINK OF LOS VEGAS ON STEROIDS.

93 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:23:51pm

re: #90 jaunte

Yes, they also host a film festival there, attended by actors like George Clooney and Sharon Stone.

There's a lot of stuff there, like the world's tallest building, and the most westernized and developed city in the region, branches of every western luxury store, and all the sins the Saudis don't want on their own soil.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:24:13pm

There are thousands of women similarly enslaved right here in the United States, some by wealthy foreigners, many by local scumbags.

That does not make us equivalent to this deranged Islamic Disneyland of Dubai, since the 500 women in that one brothel alone would give the country a much higher rate of enslavement than the 14000-17000 people estimated to be enslaved in the United States.

Still, there is obviously not enough being done here. I wonder if the high status of many of the johns has something to do with this?

Fringe libertarians still claim that prostitution is a victimless crime. They should urge such a career choice on their own daughters if they are so sure of that.

95 Alouette  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:24:15pm

re: #44 jaunte

"An Indian living in London owned the place."
I wonder if his neighbors are aware he's a pimp.

Every politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.

96 NoSubmission  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:24:30pm

re: #93 itellu3times

There's a lot of stuff there, like the world's tallest building, and the most westernized and developed city in the region, branches of every western luxury store, and all the sins the Saudis don't want on their own soil.

Any Jews in Dubai?

97 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:24:56pm

re: #91 yehoshua

Dubai doesn't want them, no Arab country does. They are quite literally the 'Gypsies' of the Arab world. Wanted by nobody and hated by all.

98 Radar  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:25:13pm

re: #92 yochanan

JUST THINK OF LOS VEGAS ON STEROIDS.

haha, Hell Las Vegas is a family resort paradise for the wife and kids compared.

What happens in Dubai stays in Dubai.

Gotta run and eat dinner with the wife and kid.

99 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:26:47pm

re: #86 paradox42

Until this horror ends, no visas should be given to citizens of the UAE. Any UAE students currently studying here should be deported. Forbid any American company from doing business with the UAE until they take this seriously. Cancel flights between the US and UAE and pull the embassy.

This should be our stance with ANY country that allows this crap.

I agree, provided that (1) they actually allow it or (2) clearly make no serious attempt to stop it.

100 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:27:03pm

re: #96 NoSubmission

Any Jews in Dubai?

I dunno but I can guess: Jews, probably, synogogues, probably not.

101 yehoshua  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:27:03pm

re: #97 paradox42

Then let's just put them on military transport planes and drop them off in the middle of the Saudi Arabian desert (with tents, water, and port-o-potties, of course).

102 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #98 Radar


What happens in Dubai stays in Dubai.

Except the STDs.

103 JCM  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:00pm

re: #101 yehoshua

Then let's just put them on military transport planes and drop them off in the middle of the Saudi Arabian desert (with tents, water, and port-o-potties, of course).

Let' fend for themselves.

104 Radar  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:05pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

Except the STDs.

Ahh, but they only have the best, most clean slave girls there! Spare no expense of course!

105 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:09pm

re: #73 NoSubmission

Maybe they'll adopt a few kids if any of these girls happene to be punished with one or two "accidents."

106 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:11pm

Asked of his opinion on the many crimes against humanity committed in Dubai Obama angrily retorted, "Can't I finish one fucking waffle?"

107 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #70 Natasha

I doubt an American woman will fall for something like this.

I seem to recall that an former Miss USA went to Brunei for one reason or another, and they tried to keep her there. Her family and others got involved, and she came home. If she hadn't been such a visible person, I doubt she would have gotten away that easily... it could happen to anyone!

108 Shug  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:52pm

We are all prostitutes

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:29:54pm

No one would ever enslave a 14 year old prostitute if there were not a man willing to pay money to have sex with a 14 year old prostitute. Sorry, this makes me sad/mad (smad?).

110 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:30:04pm

Human trafficking and slavery is alive and well in our times. It is below the radar.

111 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:30:45pm

re: #96 NoSubmission

Any Jews in Dubai?

IF THERE ARE THEY ARE IN THE CLOSET FOR SURE NO ONE WITH A KIPAH ON IN PUBLIC

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:31:36pm

re: #110 rawmuse

Read something this week that said there are more slaves now than ever in history.

113 swamprat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:32:38pm

This is not prostitution. Prostitutes will go willingly to their trade. This is slavery and rape. The fact that these people had to be tricked into this outrage indicates that the owners are not paying "scale", as it were. Prostitution is a crime in those places where it is illegal. It is not inherently evil, but it absolutely is inherently dangerous. If you factor in the birthrate for condom users, the potential for lethal and debilitating disease is astronomical. This is worse than rape. It is certainly worse than mere slavery. The least these assholes could do is pay out enough money that trickery would not be needed, And if some of the women decide to not participate, they should have that right. i want to be clear on this; I do not object to prostitution, (although, the risks are insane) but this is an atrocity. The only thing worse than a pimp, is a cheap pimp.

114 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:32:43pm

re: #96 NoSubmission

/We should live so long.

As far as I know? No. And I have no desire to ever go there. Ever.

This is probably how they feel about Jews.

115 Summer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:32:53pm

You know, people have made a lot out of the public rallying cry of the new Left: "No blood for oil."

Really, when you think about it, that's all a lie. They don't mind blood for oil, as long as it's not their blood.

Which leads me to mention the real rallying cry of the new Left: "Not my blood for oil!"

But in reality, it's all trumped by the actual fundamental rallying cry which encompasses everything about the new Left:

No Blood for Freedom!

116 JCM  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:32:57pm

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Read something this week that said there are more slaves now than ever in history.

Slavery is the norm for human societies. Western enlightened Judeo-Christian anti-slavery is the exception.

117 JCM  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:34:20pm

re: #115 Summer

You know, people have made a lot out of the public rallying cry of the new Left: "No blood for oil."

Really, when you think about it, that's all a lie. They don't mind blood for oil, as long as it's not their blood.

Which leads me to mention the real rallying cry of the new Left: "Not my blood for oil!"

But in reality, it's all trumped by the actual fundamental rallying cry which encompasses everything about the new Left:

No Blood for Freedom!

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill

118 jaunte  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:35:25pm

A couple of years ago I met actor Michael Cory Davis, who produced "Svetlana's Journey" on the subject of human trafficking from Bulgaria. It won a "Best Short Subject" award at the Hollywood Film Festival in 2005. Worth seeing for further information.
[Link: www.svetlanasjourney.com...]

119 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:36:01pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No one would ever enslave a 14 year old prostitute if there were not a man willing to pay money to have sex with a 14 year old prostitute. Sorry, this makes me sad/mad (smad?).


And only a man with a tiny, skinny little d**k would want to have sex with a tiny little girl. It says something about the men who frequent such a place, doesn't it?

120 Summer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:36:20pm

re: #117 JCM

Yes, it's a really amazing quote and I have seen it many times.

But mine is shorter to say. =)

121 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:36:28pm

Though our illustrious SC, and moonbats, would disagree, I believe the punishment for human trafficking should be a lifetime of hard labor on a chain gang on a hot Texas highway. There's something poetic in working slave traffickers to death.

122 wanderer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:36:41pm

There are plenty of such "nightspots" all over the Middle East "stocked" with the North American and West European women who came as "wives" of Arab men or tourists and simply disappeared. The establishments with western "stock" are reserved for the older wealthier degenerates of the rop and are not easily found.
Dubai has in fact become a hotspot and safe haven for sex tourists from Europe seeking children now that the Thais and Cambodians have locked up a few of the perverts that for years have been flocking to those countries.
We most certainly will never hear a word form either our western feminists or liberal pols about the exploitation of women and children in the Middle East.
The brave ballsy, bullying feminazis of the west are to bound by multi-culti pc and fear to peep a sound about the horrors of oppressed girls and women in the "protected" lands suffering the cruelty of islamophobia.
Hypocrisy in the 21st century has become the closely guarded monopoly of the left with Al Bore and Now serving as perfect examples.

123 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:36:51pm

re: #110 rawmuse

It's below the radar for a lot of people, yes.

124 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:37:47pm

re: #61 NoSubmission

Can anyone explain what a 'childlike perfume' is?

/sickened

Smells Like Teen Spirit?

125 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:37:49pm

re: #42 sadhu

Tennis anyone?

this is some match!

I told Federer to stop running around his backhand.

126 Macker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:38:10pm

re: #115 Summer

You know, people have made a lot out of the public rallying cry of the new Left: "No blood for oil."

Really, when you think about it, that's all a lie. They don't mind blood for oil, as long as it's not their blood.

Which leads me to mention the real rallying cry of the new Left: "Not my blood for oil!"

But in reality, it's all trumped by the actual fundamental rallying cry which encompasses everything about the new Left:

No Blood for Freedom!

More like Here, Take Our Sphincters!

127 Render  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:38:17pm
128 reno911  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:38:24pm

I read this book a while back. Not a very good read, but it gives an idea of what the law-abiding world is facing with regards to this problem.

129 Ma Sands  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:38:30pm

After clicking into the link up top and reading the whole article......two things:

I ache unbelievably for all those in this world not free with freedom of soul.....

And, I find that, looking at my life, I have no problems, no problems at all!

130 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:38:44pm

The US government says nothing because most of them are on the payrolls of these countries. Clinton for starters [Link: archive.newsmax.com...]

Our politicians have lost their moral and ethical way. You've got the toe-tappers with their wide stance, and the prostitution service being run out of Barney Frank's house. It doesn't occur to anyone this is a problem. Is Harry Reid worried about this? Not at all, he just wants to grab as much money and power he can. Blinky? She doesn't care. What's in in for Gloria Steinem? Nothing.

When you have sex rings in Vermont and sweet girls like Brooke Bennett are murdered, we should recognize this country has a problem. But no one says anything. Sex is fun, marriage is for fools and greed is good.

131 JCM  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:40:04pm

re: #120 Summer

Yes, it's a really amazing quote and I have seen it many times.

But mine is shorter to say. =)

Hell, the current crop is willing to trade Freedom for Hope.

132 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:40:40pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No one would ever enslave a 14 year old prostitute if there were not a man willing to pay money to have sex with a 14 year old prostitute. Sorry, this makes me sad/mad (smad?).


re: #115 Summer

You know, people have made a lot out of the public rallying cry of the new Left: "No blood for oil."

Really, when you think about it, that's all a lie. They don't mind blood for oil, as long as it's not their blood.

Which leads me to mention the real rallying cry of the new Left: "Not my blood for oil!"

But in reality, it's all trumped by the actual fundamental rallying cry which encompasses everything about the new Left:

No Blood for Freedom!

The blood they were talking about is that of Saddam and his thugs. Though some may argue the point since the wording itself is primarily vague and meaningless. It comes down to the world view in which nations ruled by ruthless dictators can be seen as A-Okay, excusing all the atrocities by saying, "it's their culture". On the same hand, their world view allows them the convenience of taking a truly innocuous presidency of one George W. Bush and turning it into Hitler's second coming.

Two questions to my fellow lizards: How has the passing of the Patriot Act affected your life? And what if any policies born of the Bush Administration do you think have changed the way you as a free-speaking, free-thinking American live your life?

133 mfarmer1  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:41:20pm

Hopefully the rising cost of petroleum will lead to a true energy revolution and render OPEC nations impotent and irrelevant for a very long time.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:41:50pm

re: #132 DeathtotheSwiss

To answer your last question...
Zero apoint aZero.

135 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:42:01pm

re: #32 gop_patriot

sorry but the rule u pointed is not for chinese, but for other minorities.. infact chinese authorities allow chinese take over on other minorities.. for example in tibet..

so a tibetian can not marry a tibetian, but has to marry a chinese...

the uniform law is not uniformly applicable.

136 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:42:32pm

re: #117 JCM

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill

Amen!

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." Thomas Jefferson

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:42:53pm

Gotta go do some music.

Charles....can you add Barack Obama to the spell check? Is that possible.

138 Render  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:43:04pm

re: #132 DeathtotheSwiss

#1: Nope.

#2: None.

SAME
SAME,
R

139 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:43:13pm

re: #132 DeathtotheSwiss

Fat Bastard Veg- Sorry, I meant to write in agreement with your statement.

140 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:44:47pm

These slavery establishments are off limits to our servicemen on leave,right?

141 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:45:01pm

And I could link i.abolish until I turned blue, too.

142 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:45:08pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charles....can you add Barack Obama to the spell check? Is that possible.

After the election, which is a bit less than 4 months away, we won't need to use it. And 'Hussein' will do until then. ;)

143 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:45:17pm

re: #140 vagabond trader

Don't count on it.

144 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:45:30pm

re: #132 DeathtotheSwiss


Two questions to my fellow lizards: How has the passing of the Patriot Act affected your life?


I sleep a little better at night.

And what, if any, policies born of the Bush Administration do you think have changed the way you as a free-speaking, free-thinking American live your life?


Not a one.

145 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:46:54pm

re: #143 Dianna

Thought the same.We Americans should be the first to condemn this and the last to feel morally superior if we do not.

146 eaglewingz08  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:47:06pm

This is just a special form of taqqiyah that these infidel women have to pay for the privilege of living in the most advanced country on the face of the planet, which just coincidentally happens to be muslim-DUBAI. /sarc.

Since libs believe that all cultures are equal, except for westernciv which is always at the bottom of the libs' cultural multiculti-barrel, I figure that this slave culture must be acceptable for libs and for their womenfolk, feminazis and others. We just don't understand the nuances in islamic culture and can't be judgmental about these exotic customs. Indeed, to even call this slavery is unjust to the regular Dubai folks who are merely expressing their culture in time honored ways. Moreover, these women by freely expressing their sexuality, can not be deemed to be slaves, anymore than women wearing burqas in muslim lands could be deemed to be slaves. They are merely showing they understand the true meaning of submission, i.e. Islam, and thus are role models for billions of other infidel women throughout the world.//sarc.

147 swamprat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:48:17pm

Thankfully, the National Organization for Women is right on top of this. We can all breath easy.
/sarcasm
this, and of course, the crime of holding doors for women.

148 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:48:20pm

Dubai may be slavery's new Mecca, but we should not forget that women - and children - are being trafficked right here in the U.S.A. by, among others, some of the same criminal gangs that smuggle drugs and illegals across our southern border.

Anything to make a buck ...

149 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:48:29pm

re: #145 vagabond trader

Remember, many of the customers don't really think about the girls much.

Oh, if it's brought to their attention, they'd be bothered, yes. But they usually don't ask.

150 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:48:56pm
151 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:49:03pm

re: #133 mfarmer1

YOUR VOTING FOR OBAMA? THIS SOUNDS LIKE OBAMA'S ENERGY POLICY DO NOTHING AND HOPE

152 eaglewingz08  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:49:15pm

Re: 117 & JSM.

Conclusion Liberals and Democrats, in general are miserable creatures.
And they sow misery whereever they go.

153 big L  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:49:25pm

So there are numerous dirct flights to Dubai, and numerous one-stop flights to Dubai and the world cruise lines stop there. Oh, it is such a great place, Ferrari Amusement Park, and other amusement parks and fancy apt bldgs shaped like a sail...
But slavery, prostitution and no Jews. A great place ,huh. makes me sick.

154 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:49:50pm

re: #130 jemima

And there are still States (Vermont included) that have not passed 'Jessica's Law'.

155 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:50:32pm

re: #151 yochanan

who is voting obama ? BTW ... I learned that Obama bin laden is close to death bed !

really don't know, who is more dangerous for free world... Obama or Obama ?

156 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:50:56pm

re: #135 loveguru

Are you saying that the 'one child' policy in China doesn't apply to ethnic Chinese women? I'm pretty sure it applies to everyone, except those who buy their way out of it...

Although I might not be exactly clear on what you're saying...

157 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:51:47pm

re: #149 Dianna

Not my original message!

158 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:52:32pm

re: #154 NY Nana

For god sakes why don't they? I don't think that law goes far enough, but its a start.

159 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:52:53pm

re: #156 gop_patriot

I am saying that one child policies are not applicable to "ethenic chinese couples", if its is serving "national interest"... and I learned it from one of my tibetian friend, who came from Tibet to India...

it was 2 yrs back, when i was in India to locate some historical documents...

160 gop_patriot  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:54:15pm

re: #159 loveguru

Interesting, I didn't know that. I've always heard that it applied to everyone, but for those who could afford to pay the government officials off.

161 Maximu§  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:55:15pm

I would sure like to know which companies do business with Dubai....because they are funding this sh*t!

162 akak  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:55:34pm

re: #155 loveguru

who is voting obama ? BTW ... I learned that Obama bin laden is close to death bed !

really don't know, who is more dangerous for free world... Obama or Obama ?


Probably close to his death bed because they are trying to flush him towards the Afgan border, or something like that. I'm betting he'
s in Iran with other high level alqaedaerites.

163 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:55:50pm

re: #161 Maximu§

I would sure like to know which companies do business with Dubai....because they are funding this sh*t!

Check your own bank, for starters.

164 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:56:07pm

re: #158 paradox42

I honestly wish that our Congress would have made it a national law. We will never know how many lives could have been saved, nor is much attention payed to children and those over 18 who have been raped, female and male.

I wonder how many of these politicians ever wonder how they would feel, G-d forbid, if it were a family member....

165 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:56:39pm

re: #157 vagabond trader

I know.

Sorry.

I've been involved in anti-slavery work for more than 20 years, now. I get very bitter about it; I think people are outraged by this sort of story for about five minutes, and then they move on. It's not that they don't care, really, it's that there are so many horrors in the world, and a limit to what they can focus on.

It's just that $10 a month from everyone who reads this story and gets upset could make an immense difference.

166 mardukhai  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:57:10pm

If the owner lived in London, why wasn't he arrested?

168 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:57:13pm

I'm awaiting the outrage from Newsweek :

Syria blames inmates in jail riot

Syria's government has blamed prisoners serving sentences for extremism and terror for clashes with jail guards that left several inmates dead.

"They shackled our hands behind us, confiscated our clothes and possessions, and beat us. And they insulted the Koran, they trod on the Koran," he told the BBC's Arabic service.

169 Steffan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:58:41pm

re: #32 gop_patriot

China doesn't have enough women as it is, because of their forced 'one child' policy. I wonder what the Chinese government has to say about it's female citizens being held captive and forced into prostitution in Dubai?

Not that I'm expecting China's gov't to do anything about it, they're hardly to be looked to for any kind of moral standard. But they do have alot of national/ethnic pride, and I don't ever hear of them responding to anything like this...

For the most part, it's chinese parents who are selling the girls into slavery/adoption. The truly lucky ones get adopted by American parents.

I've long wondered what the Chinese are going to do once they realize their one-kid program means they have a lot of teenage and older males and no females..... Kind of an extreme example of the Roe effect, ya think?

170 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:58:43pm

re: #166 mardukhai

Because he's not committing the crime in London. Unless someone, somewhere, manages to charge him with a crime, it doesn't matter what is known by the British police.

171 DeathtotheSwiss  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 1:59:59pm

re: #146 eaglewingz08

Their belief that Western society is evil and somehow worth less than other cultures stems from the idea of the "noble savage". One part superstitious nonsense, one part well-meaning intent, eight parts condescension.

You can't blame Palestinians for launching rockets at Israeli elementary schools, they're just savages responding to the strangle-hold of the Zionist Empire. You can't blame Africans for the brutal practice of female circumcision, it is their culture and keeping such traditions is alive. Let us not judge the activities of others! You can't blame Muslim men for their treatment of women, in many ways wearing burkhas is a very liberating thing for women, and after all we treat our own women soooo much worse here in America. How can we criticize others when we are not perfect ourselves? You can't blame Saudi Arabia for producing men willing to murder whole-sale Americans of all walks of life, you see, the CIA..err...American foreign policy caused...blowback...chickens coming home to roost....

These are positions designed by our enemies to be soaked up by the empty-headed sponges of future "Academia". They don't require actual thought, just mere compliance.

172 yochanan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:00:35pm

re: #150 rawmuse

This was a big bust in my area.


LOOKS LIKE THEY REALLY DID NOT TRY TO HARD MAYBE MOSTLY FOR THE MSM

173 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:01:10pm

re: #167 rawmuse

OT, the AP is now publishing the yellow cake story.

It took them long enough. It was all over the place yesterday.

174 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:01:57pm

I don't link to the New York Times much theses days, but ...

The Girls Next Door.

Because of the porousness of the U.S.-Mexico border and the criminal networks that traverse it, the towns and cities along that border have become the main staging area in an illicit and barbaric industry, whose ''products'' are women and girls. On both sides of the border, they are rented out for sex for as little as 15 minutes at a time, dozens of times a day. Sometimes they are sold outright to other traffickers and sex rings, victims and experts say. These sex slaves earn no money, there is nothing voluntary about what they do and if they try to escape they are often beaten and sometimes killed.

175 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:01:58pm

re: #165 Dianna

Agreed.I also get angry with my fellow Americans who think we are completely blameless. Plenty of underage girls right here being held against their will and sold on the street.It is an incredibly difficult problem, kudos to you for helping.

176 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:02:46pm

re: #160 gop_patriot

I think you haven't understand China yet then very well... its not as secular as they show themselves, and neither it is a proper replica of Russian communist... its a advancement of Russian communist, and is termed as Maoism... again a political revolution, supported by chinese ethnicity under the myth of "nationalism", in light of the fact that china as a nation never understood its boundaries, always follow socialist policies.

Its a system in which ethenic chinese rule over others, not only politically but also over their decision to choose a life partner... there is no freedom in china for you even to choose your life partner, if you are not ethnically chinese ..... this is a chinese law made for sake of "integration"

yes, the law you mentioned applies to everyone who could not afford to pay the government official off.... but when its comes to "national interest", then chinese try to resettle chinese ethnicity over other parts of captured areas, like in tibet, and for them the rules are not applicable.. in fact they are sort of super human serving national interest..

177 mikalm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:02:57pm

re: #170 Dianna

Where's William Wilberforce when you need him? :-(

178 loveguru  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:04:10pm

re: #162 akak

Yes, high probability...

anyways Iran is trying to lure baluchistan sucide bomber's bank..... and indian loony leftist are helping him in all ways...

179 Steffan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:05:50pm

re: #73 NoSubmission

Isn't Dubai the place where they created those fake 'islands'? The palm thingy and that 'world' complex, you know the one where there is every country recreated but no Israel? The country where 'humanitarian' Angelina Jolie and her pet, Brad Pitt bought a multi-million dollar place?

It's also the place where Michael Jackson was seen wearing a burka.

180 wolfie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:06:04pm

re: #174 RedPepper

But we can't control the border ........
because that would be FASCIST
& RACIST,
etc tec etc etc etc


gag

181 winston06  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:06:16pm

That Cyclone disco is next to the American hospital in Dubai. It's full of ex-Soviet Republic citizens from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and a few East European nationals. The funny (And very sad) thing about the line up of men there is that 90% of men going there are either from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Oman and Yemen.

Dubai is a rotten place!

182 Kulhwch  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:06:26pm

re: #3 jaunte

Maybe it's time to do some empire-building and impose civilization on the world.

Seconded.

}:)     [The Religion of a Piece™?  Bah!]

183 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:06:56pm

re: #177 mikalm

John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave...

184 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:07:14pm

#154

I know, NY Nana. They have a terrible justice system in Vermont. There was that Cashman who is a restorative justice idiot that let that child molester go a couple years back. Complete moonbat system where you have to understand the deep psychological and emotional issues of the perpetrator. The more this kind of thinking infiltrates our courts the more decent people will be preyed upon.

Look at our last 2 governors. Spitzer thought using prostitutes was fine and now this Patterson has an open marriage. How can such people appreciate the deviancy of molesters when they're being amoral themselves?

185 paradox42  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:07:38pm

Just took a look and now.org. Big surprise that there is NOTHING about human trafficking on their front page. They're too worried about sexism in the media and on TV to worry about real women's issues.

It pisses me off because NOW has clout and could put pressure on politicians and law enforcement to take this more seriously.

I'm signing out for now. This topic really makes me furious and I might post something I'll reget.

Later.

186 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:07:47pm

re: #175 vagabond trader

Thanks.

Please understand, I no longer pin people to walls and lecture them on slavery!

187 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:08:08pm

Does anybody here know what the law in the UK is? In America a non-citizen engaged in profiting from prostitution or slavery is subject to a perpetual bar from entry. Polygamy only bars them from gaining citizenship but a non-immigrant visa is ok. Still the Cousins may want to investigate the status of the owner of this establishment.

188 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:10:22pm

re: #187 lifeofthemind

It would depend, I think, on Commonwealth law; very tricky, having had an empire!

189 Steffan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:10:57pm

re: #119 EC Marm

And only a man with a tiny, skinny little d**k would want to have sex with a tiny little girl. It says something about the men who frequent such a place, doesn't it?

Chairman Mao used to enjoy popping 12-year-olds. This isn't something you hear from Code Pink or International ANSWER. Wonder why?

190 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:11:05pm

re: #175 vagabond trader

Agreed.I also get angry with my fellow Americans who think we are completely blameless. Plenty of underage girls right here being held against their will and sold on the street.It is an incredibly difficult problem, kudos to you for helping.

Oh, please. Lawlessness is everywhere. It's not "stamped with the official seal of the Department of Tourism & Commerce Marketing" here.

191 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:11:25pm

#177

Wilberforce would be a laughingstock if he was alive today. Anyone who professes a faith and a moral directive is ridiculed. Except of course for the Obamas because they have the right kind of hate America first faith which the left embraces as well.

192 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:13:21pm

re: #190 LC LaWedgie

Oh, please. Lawlessness is everywhere. It's not "stamped with the official seal of the Department of Tourism & Commerce Marketing" here.

And that is a crucial difference.

193 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:14:14pm

re: #191 jemima

#177

Wilberforce would be a laughingstock if he was alive today. Anyone who professes a faith and a moral directive is ridiculed. Except of course for the Obamas because they have the right kind of hate America first faith which the left embraces as well.

Sadly, you may be correct.

194 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:14:43pm

Mao used women all the time. He, of course had syphilis, and wrote "I cleaned myself off in the women I'm with."

Another one of those great dictators the left esteems so mightily.

195 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:14:47pm

re: #191 jemima

But then, Wilberforce started out as a laughingstock in his own time.

196 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:16:43pm

re: #186 Dianna

What have you found to lecture them about now?

/('satiable curiousity ...)

197 jemima  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:18:06pm

#195

That's true, Wilberforce had a tough go of it. I can't imagine it wouldn't be worse today.

198 docremulac  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:19:31pm

I predict that when the oil runs out, Dubai will be the worlds first "ghost metropolis" that is, an abandoned shell of a city full of crumbling skyscrapers like a ghost town after the gold miners have all left.

Without oil what does the middle east have to offer? We grow better dates in California and in 100 years the exporting of islam will probably be outlawed by a pissed off planet.

199 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:23:31pm

re: #196 RedPepper

What have you found to lecture them about now?

/('satiable curiousity ...)

I don't.

Honest!

200 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:25:25pm

re: #199 Dianna

Oh, well.

I'm sure you deserve the vacation ...

201 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:25:38pm

re: #62 Dianna

If you are outraged by this, go here and help them.

Yes, there's a limit to what they can do. They won't - can't - hire mercenaries and train villages to defend themselves against the current slave raiders. They can't save everyone, and there's a limit to how many people they can buy out.

But they are the only organization that's really doing anything about slavery.

Sorry, but buying the freedom of a slave serves only to encourage the seizure of another. By way of analogy to another meat market, if a man were to buy cattle slated for butchery and set them out to pasture, would that not simply increase the market for feeder cattle? It's a sisyphean task. The more you buy free, the more they'll take.

Another thing worth noting is that most prostitutes, all around the world, are effectively held in slavery. This isn't just a Dubai thing, and it isn't just a Muslim thing.

As an individual, the first thing one can do is not be a customer. The second is to report what you know, if you know or suspect slavery. That takes courage, because the slavers will think about revenge. Lots of things take courage.

The third is to support governmental actions against slavery. Unfortunately, this hotel, which is in effect a slave ship, enjoys an undeserved immunity from Her Royal Majesty's Navy. But there is no reason why U.S. customs cannot intervene in situations which have the look and feel of slaves being transported. Prosecute when you catch the bastards at it.

202 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:26:17pm

re: #200 RedPepper

No, but other people do.

203 jorline  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:27:13pm

Obama would be well suited to address a Muslim nation about slavery. He has the Islamic background and he's an African American...my bad...his African ancestor came to Hawaii, then went back to Africa.

204 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:28:22pm

re: #202 Dianna

Depends on the other people, I suppose.

Did you click on my link, BTW ?

205 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:29:06pm

re: #201 lostlakehiker

I'm sick of hearing that.

Have you met people who've been slaves? There's a young man in my dojang who's a former slave. I know a lot of former slaves.

Yes, it would be better to completely end human traffic, and iabolish works for that, as well. But to leave anyone in slavery because of the philosophy of "the worse, the better" is a moral cop-out.

206 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:29:32pm

re: #184 jemima

IIRC, when I was growing up in Boston, Vermont was not full of raving moonbats. My Mum zt"l had cousins there...ahh, now it is the home of Ben and Jerry, and others of their ilk. Ironically, VT is the only New England state I have not been in...the cousins would come to see all of us.

Re Spitzer and Paterson? A nightmare, but so is Corzine (D-NJ) who just decided to back Hussein, after backing Shrillary.

/I guess he doesn't think all that fast, the schmuck.

I do not even pretend to understand Spitzer's wife's staying married to him...terrible example for her daughters. She remnds me of the Stepford Wives, so help me.

207 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:29:46pm

re: #165 Dianna
You said it!
Remember when this port deal came up and many said not to worry, Dubai is Western? I growled and grumbled back then that it's a facade and slavery and sefdom for the workers who build and provide the services to make it all decadently appealing is a big part of their "success."
Lotus-eaters, beware! Do not be dazzled by glitter and wealth. Isn't that's what's going on? People can educate themselves to be descerning - read Pilgrim's Progress - the description of the Vanity Fair is a lesson to remember when considering the glitzy life offered by Dubai and their ilk. There's a very very dark side to all this.
Keep up the good fight - there really are oppressed people out there, don't have anything to do with people who treat others like disposable trash. Remember, too folks that for decades and decades, Christians have been out on the front lines trying to rescue people, men, women and especially children from being trapped into slavery. You don't see them, they are invisible to the media and the mainstream, and mocked by those who don't want them around to shine the light on what goes on in darkness, but they have given their lives to open doors and windows of escape for others less fortunate.
Remember, Dubai and the neighboring oil realms are fundamentally based on monarchy, with nobility and classes, high and low. "Servant" is the correct word to use to describe those who labor under it for little pay, and "slavery" and "bondage" are the correct terms for those who are trapped in it against their will.

208 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:29:52pm

re: #190 LC LaWedgie

You sound annoyed. Why on earth would you even bother with this thread if you don't give a shit?

209 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:30:25pm

re: #204 RedPepper

Ah...no? I don't see it?

210 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:32:03pm

re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If this story bothers you, do not read Caliphate". Like it is taken directly from this story.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Chilling book.

211 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:32:08pm

re: #207 wanumba

Yes!

212 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:35:43pm

re: #209 Dianna

Ah...no? I don't see it?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

213 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:37:23pm

re: #212 RedPepper

Oh, yes; sorry - I somehow didn't realize that was yours.

214 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:38:31pm

re: #213 Dianna

No need to apologize - it's not about me ...

215 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:40:27pm

re: #214 RedPepper

Thanks.

216 pegcity  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:41:45pm

re: #179 Steffan

It's also the place where Michael Jackson was seen wearing a burka.

that was bahrain, and they kicked his ass out

217 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:42:57pm

re: #212 RedPepper

I saw the link and this is the point I have been trying to make.Amazing some people are fine with flaming Muslims for their despicable practices, but cannot take the log out of their own eye and see that we also contribute to it.I have no solutions and certainly don't want to lecture, just find hypocricy of any flavor distasteful.Nothing to do with patriotism and we're the best, blah blah jingoistic BS.

218 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:43:32pm

re: #215 Dianna

So ... you have a dojang?

I'm pretty sure they've got elective procedures for that now ...

219 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:44:49pm

re: #205 Dianna
I'm gonna stick my nose in that, to butress what you said, we lived in a country that "outlawed" slavery in 1981, the last open air slave sale was in 1984 and the practice continues underground. We were acquainted with a number of slaves - one of whom was a top official in a big government parastatal. Who'd a guessed?
What mischief goes on because of individual malfeasance in the US is nowhere on the level of the slavery as a current institution in these other countries. We have a national identity and culture that recoils from the concept of slavery, a gut rejection of it. Not so in some other countries.
And some organizations tried to buy back slaves to save individuals, and it works from time to time, but found merchants trying to gin up business to get a cut of it, so these organizations have backed off that. It's hard and one has to be very very clever to dodge the greedy types, but at least they've been on the front lines for years dealing with this, while others knew nothing of the problem.
This transcends cultures and countries, but the media only loves their pet issues. All that kerfluffle about Darfur, but where is everyone now? Is it because Darfur was a "noble cause" to argue to get US troops out of Iraq and into Darfur? Now that Iraq is a success, Darfur is not useful anymore? At least it leaves the serious people who are still on the ground working in refugee camps day after dusty dry dirty day some room to do their work.

220 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:45:38pm

re: #217 vagabond trader

Could not agree more.

Here, at least, we could do something about the situation!

221 theheat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:45:50pm

Just last year there was some hubba hubba about some sex slavery rings in the South (USA), specifically a case I remember in Georgia. Police were patting themselves on the back for uncovering what appeared to be a rather surprising, yet thriving, underground business. No doubt, it had been around for awhile before some pillar of the community tripped over the evidence.

And then there's Japan, South Korea, India... all dabbling in sex slavery. If you search you'll find it's practically everywhere, to one extent or another. This isn't exclusive to Dubai. Of course, we call all of the countries enjoying such business our bestest best friends. I suppose they could be lumped with "tiny minorities of extremists" as "tiny minorities of slave holders".

222 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:51:04pm

re: #219 wanumba

We have a national identity and culture that recoils from the concept of slavery, a gut rejection of it. Not so in some other countries.

Which makes it all the more infuriating that we are so blasé about defending the worth of our own country ... and culture.

223 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:51:25pm

re: #219 wanumba

All of what you say is true, but buying people out is the best short-term measure. The very best way would be to arm the people who are raided, but, well, you would be astonished at the reaction to that, even by many of the anti-slavery workers. They have their reasons, and some of them are good. I just don't happen to agree. However, I can't, personally, do what I'd like to see done.

Iabolish finally got Mauritania to outlaw slavery. We know perfectly well that it's window dressing. But we take what we can get.

As to Darfur...I got into the whole anti-slavery movement because of the Sudan; I read an article in the Economist and got outraged, and decided to do something about it. The years pass, and the murderous Khartoum regime goes right on slaughtering their non-Arab people, and no one notices, except briefly, as they did Darfur.

The people on the ground there are some of the bravest relief workers in the world. They deserve immense support, and they don't get it.

224 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:52:08pm

re: #220 RedPepper

We try.

But it really takes someone noticing, and caring.

225 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:55:35pm

re: #221 theheat

Human traffic is everywhere. There are always customers.

The US does its best to shut it down. Europe used to try - I don't know about now. The Balkans are such a mess that enforcement has gone to pieces. Let's not talk about Russia, or the steam will start coming out my ears.

Africa's just awful.

I know less about Asia than I should; my focus has always been on Africa, where the traffic is more or less open.

226 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:56:10pm

OK, this horse is officially dead. I will stop beating it.

Sorry.

227 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:56:31pm

re: #224 Dianna

We try.

But it really takes someone noticing, and caring.

Absolutely!
Which is what made me wonder about just what you lectured people on these days ...

228 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 2:57:28pm

re: #221 theheat
Now you know why that little thingy by the Statue of Liberty is so precious to people, somehting along the lines of:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your wretched masses yearning to be free..."

It does indeed go on in Western countries, but refreshingly, it has to be hidden because the second everyone finds out about it, it's over. Seen any tension of that sort out of Dubai? Japan, South Korea and India will indeed throw people in jail for running slave rings, haven't seen that in Dubai as yet.
Pesky concept called compassion.

229 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:01:45pm

And the West continues to do a thriving business with these slime buckets.

How else could they have built a paradise oasis in a mere 5 years?

There is a lot more on the horizon, as all the architectural plans have been drawn up. Everyone who sets foot on that God forsaken land is guilty. Period.

230 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:03:49pm

re: #7 Ojoe

Somebody named

medaura18586

dinged down my comment No. 7

Now who is this?

No post on this thread it seems...

231 vagabond trader  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:05:28pm

re: #230 Ojoe

I usually like your comments! Shall I upding it to even it out?

232 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:06:09pm

re: #230 Ojoe
Troll, do not engage. Like stepping in dog poop.

233 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:06:44pm

re: #230 Ojoe

medaura's a Canadian, she immigrated from someplace in the Balkans - Albania? - and she has some strong opinions.

I don't know why she dinged you down. It could have been a mistake.

234 Daisy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:07:27pm

McCain has said that he'll continue to follow up on the work that Bush started vis a vie ending sex trafficking. Of course, Bush has been given little to no credit for his substantial anti-slavery efforts by the MSM. Here are a couple of links:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]
&
hughes200601260824.asp[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

The first thing I wondered about when the truly beautiful young model from Khasjekistan hurled herself to her death in NYC, was if, before she was 'discovered' as a model @ age 15 (!) whether or not she was part of the white slave trade that's epidemic to that part of the world. Communism, the evil that keeps on harming humanity .. even as it falls completely apart.

235 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:07:38pm

re: #232 EC Marm

Troll, do not engage. Like stepping in dog poop.

I haven't seen her around enough to determine that; she does insist on posting essay-length comments, though.

236 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:08:14pm

re: #223 Dianna
Yes, I noticed that recent more toothy resolution out of Mauritania - thanks to years of work and perserverence by many people. It's a step in the right direction. And I agree, buying people is ONE way to get them out of slavery , and I wouldn't let silly abstract objections get in the way of an opportune moment when buying someone out is the right thing to do.
Your comment about aid workers is spot on - the anti-gun attitude of the Left permeates the organizations, and bluntly, when there is no functioning police force or decent army that can provide security, it's cruel to not allow the normal hard-working folks a tool that they can use to defend themselves against raiders and thieves.
Multi-level pressure - working on laws, changing attitudes, strenghtening local security ...all efforts.
The schools sniff at the British Empire, listing all it's faults, but forget it was the Brits who first confronted the slave trade, and the Brits fought the first battles against it. Sudan was devastated by Arab slavery for centuries. People do not understand that people and a culture cannot develop or function with slave raiding going on. Men can't herd or cultivate if they have to protect their families. They flee and live hand to mouth on the run.

237 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:08:15pm

re: #119 EC Marm

And only a man with a tiny, skinny little d**k would want to have sex with a tiny little girl. It says something about the men who frequent such a place, doesn't it?

I don't know if there's a proper term for one who would frequent such a place; but I have too much respect for men, in general, to refer to such a beast as "a man"... regardless of the size of his organ.

238 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:08:58pm

re: #234 Daisy

I wondered, too, given what I know; but I haven't seen anything to back up that speculation.

Have you?

239 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:09:02pm

re: #229 So?


Money, it's a crime.
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today.
But if you ask for a raise it's no surprise
that they're giving none away.

240 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:10:19pm

re: #236 wanumba

Yes.

I sometimes feel like everything we do is useless. But I won't give up.

241 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:10:29pm

Here's another article on forced prostitution, from the same newspaper, and by the same author, justa couple of days before the one that anchors this thread:

Once a Slave
In a new book documenting the modern slave trade, E. Benjamin Skinner describes the deep physical and psychological trauma suffered by its victims

E. Benjamin Skinner, Special to the National Post

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

Read it if you think that you can stomach having even more disgusting atrocities revealed to you.

242 Daisy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:10:38pm

re: #73 NoSubmission

Isn't Dubai the place where they created those fake 'islands'? The palm thingy and that 'world' complex, you know the one where there is every country recreated but no Israel? The country where 'humanitarian' Angelina Jolie and her pet, Brad Pitt bought a multi-million dollar place?

Yes. Please correct me if I'm wrong .. but isn't Dubai also home to that paragon of sexual virtue, Michael Jackson?

243 Dotcoman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:12:36pm

re: #26 Shug

Good one! That puts it all into perspective.

244 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:13:19pm

re: #242 Daisy

Yes. Please correct me if I'm wrong .. but isn't Dubai also home to that paragon of sexual virtue, Michael Jackson?

Yes, two years ago he was supposed to come out with a new CD bankrolled by some Dubai sheik. I guess that never "materialized".

245 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:13:45pm

re: #240 Dianna

Yes.

I sometimes feel like everything we do is useless. But I won't give up.

You’ve got to shake your fists at lightning now
You’ve got to roar like forest fire
You’ve got to spread your light like blazes
All across the sky
They’re going to aim the hoses on you
Show ’em you won’t expire
Not till you burn up every passion
Not even when you die
Come on now
You’ve got to try
If you’re feeling contempt
Well then you tell it
If you’re tired of the silent night
Jesus, well then you yell it
Condemned to wires and hammers
Strike every chord that you feel
That broken trees
And elephant ivories
Conceal

246 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:15:24pm

re: #230 Ojoe
btw: I am certain it was not a mistake ding. The phrase "Western Christian Values" is like holding up a crucifix in front of Dracula. Or is it a wooden stake? Or garlic? One of them.

247 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:16:05pm

re: #245 RedPepper

You’ve got to shake your fists at lightning now
You’ve got to roar like forest fire
You’ve got to spread your light like blazes
All across the sky
They’re going to aim the hoses on you
Show ’em you won’t expire
Not till you burn up every passion
Not even when you die
Come on now
You’ve got to try
If you’re feeling contempt
Well then you tell it
If you’re tired of the silent night
Jesus, well then you yell it
Condemned to wires and hammers
Strike every chord that you feel
That broken trees
And elephant ivories
Conceal

You're on a roll....homemade I hope.

248 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:18:00pm

re: #115 Summer

You know, people have made a lot out of the public rallying cry of the new Left: "No blood for oil."

Really, when you think about it, that's all a lie. They don't mind blood for oil, as long as it's not their blood.

Which leads me to mention the real rallying cry of the new Left: "Not my blood for oil!"

But in reality, it's all trumped by the actual fundamental rallying cry which encompasses everything about the new Left:

No Blood for Freedom!

Good insight into the left. Gotta point out though that this "No Blood for Oil" BS has been around for a seriously long time now. The left started that nonsense in the late 60's about Vietnam (said in lefties' fever-dreams to have 'huge undiscovered oil deposits'). They tried it again when Reagan was supporting El Salvador and undermining Carter's pet commie Ortega in Nicaragua ("honest dude, Venezuela and Mexico have got oil, they're keeping Nicaragua's oil a secret 'til we go to war"). Then of course there was the Gulf War, where Kuwait really did have oil... the glazed-eye crew really went ape on that one. Now here they are again, still dancing the same old puppet-dance for whoever wants to pull their strings.
Moral of the story: The Left lies, and the whole "No Blood for Oil" thing is one of the slimiest of their lies.

/back to the slavery thread, sorry for the side-track ;-)

249 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:18:08pm

re: #241 Salamantis

It's a painful read, but it's a good book.

250 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:19:45pm

Western values = Let's head to Dubai and make a shitload of money, so we can buy that house in the country and another one in the city with a 5-car garage. And who gives a shit about the consequences. Come on Charlie, it's our chance to get filthy RICH. We've been waiting for the money train to come in for a long time, and it's running daily... all the way to Dubai.

251 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:20:45pm

Once a Slave
In a new book documenting the modern slave trade, E. Benjamin Skinner describes the deep physical and psychological trauma suffered by its victims
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
Excerpt:

A single floor of an ugly Soviet-era Chisinau tenement serves as Moldova's only functional shelter for former sex slaves. It is always full. In its first five years of operation, nearly 2,000 victims, many with severe physical injuries from their enslavement, have attempted to heal here. The massive assaults on their humanity were more indelible.

I spent several hours with Natasha, a graceful blonde whose porcelain skin was marred by telltale razor scars, and whose 21 years of life were a blur of slavery and abuse. Born in Chisinau, she had never known her parents. Her mother, a prostitute herself, had left her, like 40,000 other Moldovan children, in an orphanage.

In 1991, a Russian woman plucked the six-year-old from the orphanage, only to turn the girl into an unpaid domestic and agricultural labourer. Like most women who wound up as prostitutes, Natasha was sexually abused: Her adoptive father molested her for seven years. To punish the child for tempting her husband, Natasha's mistress often beat her so severely that her delicate face bore the scars years later. When Natasha was 16, the woman threw her out. Desperate, unemployable and penniless, she yielded to traffickers and entered prostitution in Istanbul.

She escaped after seven months of forced, unpaid servitude, only to wind up with another man, who forced her to sell sex to pay his rent. The cycle went on and on -- escape, retrafficking, enslavement, escape, retrafficking, arrest, deportation, abuse, torture, rape. She found herself starved in a Turkish jail and forcibly drugged in a desert prison in Dubai. Pimps forbade condoms, and twice they made her have back-alley abortions. After a childhood in bondage, she was bought and resold repeatedly for as little as $100, as much as $8,000. Over the span of five years, a dozen slave dealers and pimps forced Natasha to prostitute herself, and took every penny she earned. Finally, she reached temporary safety in this shelter. Her plans?

"I want to go back to Dubai," she said. "Because here there is nothing."

252 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:21:29pm

re: #248 Sylvester_T_Cat

Not really a side-track, because the constant inability of the left to let go of conspiracy theory, or to sustain a cause for one second longer than its political impact, have a great deal to do with all of the ongoing evils that allow slavery to continue.

253 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:24:12pm

re: #247 So?

It's part of the lyrics from a Joni Mitchell song.

The title is Judgement of the Moon and Stars.

It's about Ludwig van Beethoven ... and the deafness he experienced late in his life.

254 wanderer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:27:05pm

Some years ago a slave worker manned garment manufacturing operation was busted operating out of an apartment building in a blue collar suburb of Los Angeles. The mostly Hispanic neighbors had been complaining to the police for a number of years about the suspicious activities involving the building and had been told not to politely by the local police to mind their own business.
Our municipal bureauweenies and "law enforcement" officials are far more concerned with writing revenue raising tickets for traffic, zoning, and building permit violations than in pursuing non-revenue producing investigations into real crimes against children and the vulnerable often illegal immigrant victims of human trafficking which is far to common here in lalaland.

255 Daisy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:27:50pm

re: #238 Dianna

I wondered, too, given what I know; but I haven't seen anything to back up that speculation.

Have you?

No. It's just something I wondered about - given the very high suicide rate of the young men and women caught up in sex trafficking. The victims most often kill themselves at about the age when more fortunate young people are getting ready to embark into serious adult commitments.

A different girl by the same name (Ruslana) - a pop singer from the same neck of the woods as the model Ruslana - did make a public service announcement/ad warning of the dangers of following ads luring young people into harm's way. Of course, it's more complicated than just becoming hip to false ads; the parents of sexually exploited youngsters in Moldavia, for just one instance, tend to look the other way as their children go for 'waitressing' jobs in brothels far from home; they are dependent upon the income. I'm sad to say, thugs in Israel find the trade lucrative .. and of course in the USA too. We get a lot of children from over the Mexican border who in turn are exploited by pedophiliac rings.

256 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:28:00pm

re: #253 RedPepper

It's part of the lyrics from a Joni Mitchell song.

The title is Judgement of the Moon and Stars.

It's about Ludwig van Beethoven ... and the deafness he experienced late in his life.

Love Joni Mitchell.

My favorite is "Don Juan's Wreckless Daughter" featuring Pat Metheny on guitar, Don Alias on drums, Michael Breker on sax, Jaco Pastorious on bass.

/sorry for the typos

257 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:28:58pm

re: #254 wanderer

It's another reason I'm opposed to amnesty. I think it will legitimize those who are doing the slaving, and do absolutely nothing for the exploited and enslaved.

258 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:30:00pm

re: #255 Daisy

Yes - that's also covered in the article, The Girls Next Door linked by RedPepper.

259 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:30:08pm

re: #257 Dianna

It's another reason I'm opposed to amnesty. I think it will legitimize those who are doing the slaving, and do absolutely nothing for the exploited and enslaved.

see if they were all in burka bags business would plummet!

260 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:30:47pm

re: #3 jaunte

Maybe it's time to do some empire-building and impose civilization on the world.

You won't hear anything. Leftists feminists are too busy with their own imaginary American grievances. Plus - George W. Bush is taking in air.

261 Dotcoman  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:32:11pm

re: re: #29 wahabicorridor

Not just Dubai.

Thailand
Brunai (sp)

Nick Kristoff has done yeoman's work on sex slaves. Darrell Hannah has actually rescued a child or two.

#29 wahabicorridor

And here the United States too. Russian Mobsters are infamous for it.
And Koreans, they even dupe G.I.s who fall in love and marry a Korean working girl and then bring her home, then she is either kidnapped or runs way from him to fulfill commitments she made to people back in South Korea. So either way she ends up working off her dept in a Korean "massage parlor" here in the states.

Then here we even celibate "Pimps and Hos" with their own HBO specials.

A while back there were reports and warnings out to American Women, to beware of entertainment companies seeking women for employment in places like Japan. Girls would sign up thinking they were going to be dancing, singing in clubs, or acting, etc., and the first thing that happens to them is they have their passports confiscated, and are forced to work as Strippers and Prostitutes to buy it back.

262 MacBoy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:33:05pm

Behold, the consistency of Islam.

263 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:34:08pm

re: #250 So?

Well ... money is one Western value.

Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. ~ Groucho Marx

264 profitsbeard  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:34:53pm

An aunt, from Europe, told me that her mother used to warn her, in the 1950's already, as they walked around as tourists in Basel, Switzerland, to be wary of white slavers / kidnappers who preyed on naive young women, and who would deliver them to Muslim countries where they would disappear into sexual captivity.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

(Ain't nothin' new under the burqa.)

265 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:37:44pm

re: #256 So?

One of my favorites, also.

I especially like her early albums - Blue, For The Roses, Court And Spark ...

266 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:37:56pm

re: #231 vagabond trader

I don't care about the rating, I was just curious why someone would ding down that particular comment.

267 Daisy  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:38:06pm

re: #258 Dianna

I'll have to look for Red Pepper's link/ right now, thank God, I'm ready to help my husband barbque. Gratefully, barbque.

268 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:39:00pm

re: #205 Dianna

I hate that "worse the better" attitude. I agree with you that the worse, the worse.

But here's how I see it: the money with which one slave is ransomed is the very money with which the next is bought or taken. Not that you intended that. But it happens all the same.

Ransoming kidnap victims is the same sort of no-win game. In cultures where ransom is culturally accepted and expected, there is more kidnapping and holding for ransom. The law of supply and demand is in evidence. By paying ransom, you're increasing the demand. The kidnappers go to work to supply that demand.

If I'm kidnapped, send a 'copter and rescue me by trickery or gunplay, if it stands a chance. But don't buy my freedom. Write me off if you cannot find a way past or through my guards.

Millions for defense, but not one penny for tribute.

269 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:40:41pm

re: #259 So?

I'm sure you meant that sarcastically, but right now, I'm not taking it very well.

270 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:41:20pm

re: #268 lostlakehiker

I know, but you can't stop freeing people because of it.

271 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:43:20pm

re: #263 RedPepper

Well ... money is one Western value.

Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. ~ Groucho Marx

Morality is also a Western value. I have no problem with companies and individuals making loads of money. It how and whom you deal with to get it.
Some thought must go into that, otherwise we're lost.

272 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:44:48pm

From the article, The Girls Next Door:

Donna M. Hughes, a professor of women's studies at the University of Rhode Island and an expert on sex trafficking, says that prostitution barely existed 12 years ago in the Soviet Union. ''It was suppressed by political structures. All the women had jobs.'' But in the first years after the collapse of Soviet Communism, poverty in the former Soviet states soared. Young women -- many of them college-educated and married -- became easy believers in Hollywood-generated images of swaying palm trees in L.A. ''A few of them have an idea that prostitution might be involved,'' Hughes says. ''But their idea of prostitution is 'Pretty Woman,' which is one of the most popular films in Ukraine and Russia. They're thinking, This may not be so bad.''

The bolded section is untrue; but the entire paragraph explains a lot about Western feminists.

273 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:45:00pm

re: #265 RedPepper

One of my favorites, also.

I especially like her early albums - Blue, For The Roses, Court And Spark ...

Herbie Hancock didn't put together a tribute to Joni Mitchell for nothing. I think the CD won a grammy this year. What a talented woman. Love her drawings too.

274 wanderer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:45:23pm

# 257
Dianna
The toleration of illegal immigration and the liberals trumpeting of amnesty is a way of relegalizing slavery.
I live in Southern California and even in my chichi yuppifying coastal
area I have noticed an explosion of storefronts offering "massages of various flavors. There certainly are far to many of them to be legitimate and all are upfront staffed by heavily accented Asians. Our local bureauweenies have to be issuing the permits and business licenses. Hmm ! It's follow the money I am sure.

275 So?  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:46:35pm

re: #269 Dianna

I'm sure you meant that sarcastically, but right now, I'm not taking it very well.

yes, it was a joke...sorry if I offended you.

276 Summer  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:47:03pm

re: #268 lostlakehiker

I have to jump in for Dianna here.

I totally agree with what you say: buying perpetuates it. Yes, it's very true. I couldn't agree more and I'm sure that Dianna does too.

But your conclusion is not one made by somebody who is tired, alone, cold, hungry, abused and tortured and who feels absolutely worse than you can imagine. That person just wants out. She's usually uneducated, she doesn't care about the philosophy behind your stance, and she doesn't want to die. She's just trying to survive and has no other point in life than to do so.

You can't judge from that point of view without having experienced it. You may think it is philosophically wrong and immoral, but that is something that you have the luxury of debating.

I do agree with you: it's not the permanent solution. But what Dianna offers, what iAbolish offers, is just what almost every sex slave worker wants: to get the fuck out of that nightmare with her life.

Gotta give her credit for helping that dream come true for some.

277 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:47:20pm

re: #268 lostlakehiker

Millions for defense, but not one penny for tribute.

I agree, but that's cold comfort to those who have already become victims.

I think you have to try to do both (save the captives/attack the captors).

278 nikis-knight  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:48:27pm

"You say it is your custom to burn widows enslave women for sex? Well we have a custom too. We hang men who enslave burn widows enslave women for sex. So you build your pyre brothel, and beside it we will build our gallows. You practice your customs, and we will practice ours."
I be Charles Napier would have an idea how to end this. Maybe Imperialism was called off too soon?

279 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:53:25pm

re: #274 wanderer

DIE YUPPIE SCUM !

/'Nineties(?) Bumper Sticker , IIRC ...

280 nikis-knight  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 3:54:12pm

re: #230 Ojoe

Somebody named

medaura18586

dinged down my comment No. 7

...

Obviously someone who thinks it is religion that is the problem, not Islam.

281 the_flying_pig  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:08:08pm

Where are the feminist women's right activists on this?

Oh, kissing up to the emirates and Islamists nicely and blasting the right-wingers and Bush for the war on terror.

282 EC Marm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:11:59pm

re: #280 nikis-knight

Obviously someone who thinks it is religion that is the problem, not Islam.


Of course, why I've seen immeasurable articles about the connection between the human trafficking trade and the Vatican. Not to mention how the Mormons own the prostitution business in Nevada. The Baptists are active in the recruitment of Russian 'brides' into this country. The Methodists? Don't get me started.*

The dinging poster (is a ding a post?) hates all religions, except islam. I'm not the only one to have noticed that fact.

* that whole paragraph is pure sarcasm

283 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:15:45pm

re: #278 nikis-knight
Imperialism pales in comparison to Mom and Pop Americanism. The Left likes to mock the average salt of the Earth family, but when injustice rears its ulgy head, who's the one who'll deliver?

Elite Intellectual: "Well, who are we to judge? We are guilty of that, too and what right do we have to interfere with other cultural practices?"
Homegrown Mom standing next to homegrown Pop: "Now that ain't right! Stop it, right now!"
Homegrown Pop: "Sons, that there is no way to treat a woman. That weasel deserves a beating!"
Homegrown Sons: "Yessir!"

True story:
Danish couple sitting on the upper deck of the Lagos Yacht Club drinking beers and watching the sun set over the lagoo. Dead body drifts right by them. Horrified, couple calls the club guard on duty, "There's a dead body there in the water!"
Guard shrugs, "Yes."
Couple demands, "Somebody needs to do something!"
Guard: "Do something? Say what, are you Americans?"

Danish couple sheepishly relates this to Americans, shamed that the African guard didn't assume they were Europeans since they cared.

True story:
Orphaned starving kid sitting in dirt. Literally.
Intellectuals: I'm too old, I can't I can't I can't "... for reason after reason.
58 year old Grandparents with little money: "Oh, you poor thing!" Pick up toddler, take her home, nurse her back to health, adopt her and her sister.

This is not a joke. We have worked in humanitarian aid for years and elite intellectuals are the least likely to drop everything to help. Blue collar, red necks (not confused with White Trash) and regular folks are the most reliable. Because it's RIGHT to do.
Refreshingly straightforward.

284 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:17:51pm

re: #277 RedPepper

I agree, but that's cold comfort to those who have already become victims.

I think you have to try to do both (save the captives/attack the captors).

Yes, Both! One serves the necessity of the moment, the other resolves the root problem.

285 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:18:10pm

re: #10 Catttt

Slavery has ALWAYS been alive and well in the Middle East, both pre- islam and afterward. Remeber, Saudi Arabia did not officially "renounce" slavery until 1966, just 42 years ago...but we know that is complete and utter bullshit.

The world has always chastised and bitched at the US for its very SHORT period of state-sanctioned slavery, but it pales by far to the 4,000 years of slavery in that very part of the world!

286 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:23:39pm

re: #283 wanumba

We have worked in humanitarian aid for years and elite intellectuals are the least likely to drop everything to help.

This is clearly a devious, underhanded attack on Barack the Blessed!

/racist!
/ ...

287 RedPepper  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:27:32pm

re: #285 6pat6

Note how rarely they mention the fact that it was the British and the Americans who abolished slavery.

/unlike ______ (fill in the blank any way you wish ...)

288 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:32:14pm

You know what, though. Pretend, for a second that Dubai is NOT in the ME, and look at the sultanate itself. Economically, it has figured out that oil is NOT going to last forever, and the Sultan of Dubai decided to make it the Las Vegas/Miami of the ME. Lots of tourism from all over, amazing weather for the location, some of the most beautiful buildings and hotels anywhere...However...

Dubai IS in the ME, and with that, goes the typical ME/islam mentalities, which, of course include "piss on the infidel, get his money", slavery, building out into the Persian Gulf; which is affecting the environment in really crazy ways along the coastline, and so on.

289 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:32:44pm

re: #287 RedPepper

Of course! We are always the "bad guys", regardless.

290 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:34:57pm

re: #176 loveguru

China is true Fascism, meaning that they allow "private' enterprise, but all business is transacted and sanctioned by the State,as long as the business toes the State line at all times. Flinch once, and it's over.

291 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:36:20pm

re: #181 winston06

The funny (And very sad) thing about the line up of men there is that 90% of men going there are either from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Oman and Yemen.

The moon-god allah "doesn't see them" in Dubai, so it's OK. They'll tell you that, too!

292 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:42:17pm

If I can be allowed, I would like to pump for one of my more favorite charities here in the states "Children of the Night". It basically targets the (expletive deleted) objects that exploit and enslave underage children of both sexes here in the states for the sex trade. [Link: www.childrenofthenight.org...] The exploitation of older individuals is bad enough, but these psychopaths are beyond the limit.

293 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:51:55pm

re: #292 Shr_Nfr

Good organization. They, and Covenant House, have been doing a hard job with very little recognition. Larkin Street Youth Services is another one.

All very worthy groups.

294 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 4:57:29pm
some Western servicemen among them

I'm disgusted by this entire story, but to hear there are western servicemen supporting this is just sickening.

295 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:01:20pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

If you were to corner them and ask, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have realized what they're doing.

296 justdanny  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:01:48pm

If you always remember that all of these Islamic virus influenced and controlled countries live socially in a time 1500 years behind us in the west, things like this won't suprise you, offend you and maybe even enrage you, I hope, but never suprise you.

297 6pat6  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:16:23pm

re: #272 Dianna

says that prostitution barely existed 12 years ago in the Soviet Union.

Boy, is THAT statement bullshit! Obviously, the writer of that little gem holds Communism in a pretty high regard...after all, all of the women had jobs!

298 William_Ryan  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:16:31pm

With all the silly stuff people get all worked up over (particularly the left), how can this get ignored? (I know the answer sadly). There may be legit disagreements about torture or what have you, but everyone should be able to agree this is f*cking horrendous beyond description. And will get 10000000000th the airtime and coverage as Abu Ghraib or Haditha ;-(

299 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:18:39pm

re: #297 6pat6

That's why I picked it out.

Perhaps Dr. Hayes thinks those extremely practiced, highly organized rings of seducers and kidnappers sprang up fully grown?

300 Dianna  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:19:13pm

re: #298 William_Ryan

"It's been done," says the editor, and yawns.

301 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:34:58pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

I'm disgusted by this entire story, but to hear there are western servicemen supporting this is just sickening.

Now don't be naive. Military communities of young men away from home support prostitution, always have and always will. It was as wrong in Hawaii and the Philippines as it is now in Tiajuana and Thailand and in Dubai; it exists. Some feminists can make a case that all such relations, including pornography, are inherently about power and are a form of violence to women. They overstate the case by not setting boundaries so the reductio ad absurdum is reached that all relations including consensual marriage are really a form of rape. Some then even find themselves supporting prostitution as somehow more honest. At this point sane people throw up their hands and leave the gross materialists babbling in their psuedo Marxism. It is a good idea to point out to the troops the economic realities that drive women to act more friendly than a young enlistees charm may justify. That may help prevent some bad doomed marriages. The level of coercion involved in Dubai is probably an order of magnitude greater than that in Thailand and the troops need to be made aware of that. It should be a command briefing requirement.

302 TalkinKamel  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:48:10pm

re: #282 EC Marm

Yeah, the dinging poster hates all religions, and goes into an apoplectic fit if you try to defend them---except Islam, which gets a free pass from her.

I also remember when she screamed that she "spat in the face" of a poster she disagreed with. Altogether, simply, um. . . "Charming".

303 TalkinKamel  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:49:57pm

re: #285 6pat6

Also, if you look at history, it's pretty obvious that slavery would never had come to America if there hadn't already been a thriving, Islamic slave trade, rounding up black slaves, getting them to market and helping the western world buy them.

304 jc59  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 5:57:32pm

The question asked of the Imam in the "Ask the Imam" series was:

Is it OK to have sex with a slave girl?

[Link: www.islam.tc...]

Unfortunately, the link is now dead.

305 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 6:10:22pm
306 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 6:13:31pm
307 TalkinKamel  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 6:24:24pm

Wanumba, when are you going to write your memoirs?

308 cincinnati_kid37  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 6:39:46pm

This goes on in the USA.

309 wong fei hung  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 6:42:14pm

Charles:

Thanks for posting on this.

Fonda, Allred, Steinem, party of three...

Your table is ready.

-WFH

310 winston06  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 7:01:56pm

re: #291 6pat6

hahaha

311 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 8:16:59pm

Sylvester_T_Cat,

Good insight into the left. Gotta point out though that this "No Blood for Oil" BS has been around for a seriously long time now. The left started that nonsense in the late 60's about Vietnam (said in lefties' fever-dreams to have 'huge undiscovered oil deposits'). They tried it again when Reagan was supporting El Salvador and undermining Carter's pet commie Ortega in Nicaragua ("honest dude, Venezuela and Mexico have got oil, they're keeping Nicaragua's oil a secret 'til we go to war"). Then of course there was the Gulf War, where Kuwait really did have oil... the glazed-eye crew really went ape on that one. Now here they are again, still dancing the same old puppet-dance for whoever wants to pull their strings.

Indeed. The progressively deranged movement made the same claims about the American intervention in Somalia.

The American invasion of Afghanistan wasn't so much about oil as it was about setting up Unocal oil and gas pipelines. The only problem with this little theory is that Unocal withdrew from pipeline development plans in 1998, three years before 9/11. Since the overthrow of the Taliban, they have not expressed any renewed interest in central Asian pipelines running through Afghanistan.

312 stranded conservative  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 8:27:39pm

re: #165 Dianna

I was checking out the iAbolish curriculum for teachers and it had leaders that the kids could write to. Other than George Bush, every single one of them was a left winger. Danny Glover, Susan Sarandon, Maya Angelou, etc.

I was about to order the curriculum but this gave me pause. What do you think?

313 drven2extrm  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:09:44pm

Amnesty International Summer 2008 issue article titled: "Not Natasha"
Natasha is a nickname given to prostitutes. "Trafficking for sexual -exploitation is one of the world's most profitable illegal businesses. It often begins with kidnapping or the offer of a job as a nanny, vendor or bartender abroad...In the Republic of Moldova--the poorest nation in Europe--it is not uncommon for an acquaintance, close friend, relative or boyfriend to sell a girl for $200, $500, or even $2000."

Amnesty International's work on violence prevention= The International Violence Against Women Act (I-VAWA) was introduced in the House of Representatives on 4/30, and 16 senators are now cosponsoring the Senate bill, which was introduced in 10/07.

Check the I-VAWA resources section a [Link: www.amnestyusa.org...] to see if your congressional representatives have cosponsored I-VAWA (S.2279/H.R. 5927)

314 wanumba  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:24:31pm

re: #307 TalkinKamel
Hehe.
The problem I have is that I've met far better people than me who've done far more, so anything I might do would look puny next to what I know others have done. There are wonderful and fantastic stories out there waiting to be told.

315 D.C.  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 10:27:41pm

re: #304 jc59

The question asked of the Imam in the "Ask the Imam" series was:

Is it OK to have sex with a slave girl?

Unfortunately, the link is now dead.

The page is still available via the Wayback Machine:

Is having a Slave (girl) for sex nowdyas [sic] allowed?

The short answer (from the above link):

"A man may have intimate relations with his wife or slave girl. This applies no matter how many slave girls one may possess. He may not have intimate relations with his servant. A slave is one whom one physically owns. Since slavery is not in vogue nowadays, this does not apply today. Refer attached and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai "

The material that then follows is longer and goes into greater depth.

316 D.C.  Sun, Jul 6, 2008 11:16:57pm

Sorry--I hadn't seen someone else already posted the Wayback Machine link.

317 MikeMelb  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:28:59am

This is shocking. Unfortunately, it also happens in our very backyards. These sort of sophisticated crime rings even operate in the US, Britain and Australia. Truly a scourge on the modern world.

318 Aylios  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:38:09am

re: #7 Ojoe

Western Christian values are superior, not the least because we've paid for them.
Union dead at Gettysburg.

If it hadn't been for the term 'Christian' in there, I would've plussed it.

319 Aylios  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:46:02am

re: #44 jaunte

"An Indian living in London owned the place."
I wonder if his neighbors are aware he's a pimp.


Lol, they wouldn't call him that. His neighbours would almost certainly be other Indians. Indians and Pakistanis in London are 200% money and status oriented. It's all just business to them, so he'd be a 'successful businessman'.

320 Aylios  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:00:03am

re: #294 Sharmuta

I'm disgusted by this entire story, but to hear there are western servicemen supporting this is just sickening.

Erh, Sharmuta ... I deeply respect all of your comments but ... well let's say it deeply surprises me that it surprises you that soldiers hang out in brothels, slavery or not. A lot of servicemen don't necessarily enquire as to the ethics of the brothel that they go into on their day off. I agree that that is not good, but it's just the way it it.

The fault here lies not so much with the military clients, but with the service provider. Taken further, it lies less with the service provider than with the government which permits it. If this were legal in the US, there'd be people doing it there and they'd be Americans.

Taken right to the end, the fault ends up with the backward and brutal culture that this takes place in.

321 Aylios  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:07:17am

re: #311 Dirk Diggler

Sylvester_T_Cat,


Indeed. The progressively deranged movement made the same claims about the American intervention in Somalia.

The American invasion of Afghanistan wasn't so much about oil as it was about setting up Unocal oil and gas pipelines. The only problem with this little theory is that Unocal withdrew from pipeline development plans in 1998, three years before 9/11. Since the overthrow of the Taliban, they have not expressed any renewed interest in central Asian pipelines running through Afghanistan.

Yes but that's a 'fact' and the left aren't interested in those because facts are nasty things invented by the global neocon conspiracy.

322 Aylios  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:38:49am

re: #318 Aylios
Just to clarify this, I would have put the term 'secular' in there instead of Christian. The success of western society rests on it's secularism, i.e. the separation of church and state (see the Constitution), not on it's religionism, Christian or otherwise.

While it is true that I too, find some religions preferable to others, that's neither here nor there. I could make a list of religions in order of preference and Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism would probably be at the top (not necessarily in that order), while Islam would be rock-bottom, but that's totally irrelevant. The danger of religion doesn't come from so much from it's precepts but from the amount of power it wields.

As soon as any religion wields enough power to start controlling a government, it turns into a monster. We've seen this with Christianity in the middle ages and I'm willing to bet that in King David's time and before, the jews weren't known as Mr.Nice Guy either. The problem as I see it is that the head of any religion is always the one 'closest to God'. From there it's a quick and short step to being 'the mouthpiece of God'. The same applies right down the religious hierarchy. Where the priest or imam is god's mouthpiece as far as the general population is concerned (in a religion-based and controlled society, with no separation of church and state).

That is precisely why we ended up evolving secular societies. Religion as a governmental and legal system just did not work. I know that on the face of it there's nothing wrong with saying that our western christian values are superior to those of Islam (and I actually agree with this), but this statement implies that if our values were not Christian, then they would be less than what they are (a sentiment that I don't agree with).

323 FaithofJudas  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:35:39am

The Islamic Laws in Dubai don't pertain to non-islamics, westerners specifically.
Dubai is a pretty liberal, extremely modern place. It has it's hellholes, as this article describes, but before everyone goes bashing it to pieces, how about some education.
It very much IS a secular city. When I go there, as a white guy of obviously western descent, I am treated like, well, a westerner. The women walk around dressed how they'd like, they flirt with me at TGI Friday's, stay down the hall in the hotel rooms... etc etc.

Dubai is a strange place, for sure. I don't like it much either (too expensive). But as far as the middle east goes, it's the most free place there is. And it's improving, not getting worse.

324 soccerdad  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:48:12am

re: #11 yma o hyd

But ... they're all infidels, no? So its ok, according to the book of the ROP.

Its not just in a place like that where there are modern slaves - they are doing all the hard work the Ayrabs are too good for.

I so loathe that ROP, I have no words to describe it.

This is absolutely keeping in the Islamic tradition. You are permitted to take your vanquished foes' women as slaves. Not sure on the commerce part, but it is certainly in keeping with Stalin's statement: "The West will sell us the rope with which to hang them."

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."

Thanks for the Blog Charles, you are doing a MAJOR service.

325 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 6:20:09am

I do remember hearing rumors during my time in the Gulf area that some female troops were kidnapped and sold into slavery. That's probably just GI bullsh*t but, back in the day it was quite believable. Dubai and Bahrain had reputations of where u could go get drunk and womanize. There's something wrong with the whole prostitution thing.. I mean during my single days I managed to get alot of women for free. If you have to pay.. there's a problem... if you "turch" children (touching is one thing but "turching" means you're up to something) you deserve the death penalty. If I remember correctly, Germany has legalized ho's although the local houses of ill repute were made off limits by the Base Commander. People still went. A friend of mine recounted going "for release therapy" only to be met by the chaplain and the base commander sitting in a car outside the place. I do remember Holland being a place of legal prostitution becasue the cops run the businesses which was something that surprised the hell out of me. I don't suppose the mafia has alot of say there.
Here in Istanbul, I read about once a week of police raids on various apartments where hookers have set up shop. They've caught girls from Eastern Europe as young as 14 here doing this. It makes me ill. Here we have a NATO ally and all this and they allow this stuff to go on. I wonder how they'd feel if the situation were reversed and they had to send their sisters to moscow to service some johns in order to make money. Turkey just had the good fortune of being on the right side of the Cold war.
From what I hear about how the cops here treat the "natashas", I think i'd rather stay a working prostitute than get arrested. I've heard of them "soliciting favors" from the girls in exchange for showers, and clothes etc. It's disgusting. In alot of times, it's actually people in the government who bring these girls over and set up these businesses. What makes me the most angry is the overall stereotype of Eastern European women it has given the men of this country. I had a student who told me "I get a natasha becaus I can do things to her that I cant' to a turkish girl". Like it was something to be proud of. Well, he failed my class and I refused to teach him again.

326 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:05:05am

re: #314 wanumba

All the same, you ought to tell yours.

Maybe it would encourage the others to come out with their stories---and, in the meantime, we'd have yours, which sound pretty interesting. Certainly, these would be better to read than the latest liberal rant, another Stephen King bit of garbage or the latest sex/espiionage popular thriller. "She was a 6-foot blonde assassin for a group bigger than the C.I.A., and he was a troll from the mystical mines of moo, and together they were hunting for the lost Book of Wacka-bong, exposing the highly secretive secrets of the Knights Templars and Lizard beings from space!"

327 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:10:58am

re: #320 Aylios

I think the shock comes not from the fact that soldiers like women, or that they hang out with prostitutes, but that the women in these particular cases are little better than abused, exploited slaves. Can our men not see this? (And if they're really so desperate they ignore this, it doesn't say much for their hearts---or brains. If you need a female so badly you're willing to join in the abuse of an underage, physically abused, possibly drug-addicted sex slave, I'd say you have a problem.

328 Daisy  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:32:37am

re: #272 Dianna

"From the article, The Girls Next Door:

Donna M. Hughes, a professor of women's studies at the University of Rhode Island and an expert on sex trafficking, says that prostitution barely existed 12 years ago in the Soviet Union"

Your statement that the bolded section is untrue is accurate. Extrapolating, I suppose all that happy female employment in the Soviet Union meant that few under the boot of Communism resorted to hardened alcoholic drinking and that fetal alcohol syndrome is an unknown condition in the former Soviet Union and that there's a high rate of happily ever after marriages too. La di da.

This blatant lie of Ms. Hughes is on a par w/the Islamist proclamation that 'rape is nonexistent in the Islamic world'. And it's indeed telling of the deluded - Blame Western White Men First - attitudes of Western Feminists.

329 chemicalcorpse  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 4:42:19am

This isn't a limited situation; years ago during the first Gulf War I was in the Ad-Dahmam/Dharan area and it was common knowledge the bridge to Bahrain was guarded by the Saudi military because of the whore-house of an island country right off the coast of Islam's Holiest Land was such a stark contrast and contradiction.

The Arab culture is one of lies and deceit; it extends to all aspects of their society (without the oil we westerners wouldn't have bothered to interact with the nomadic goat-herders)


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