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Jawdropper of the Day: Racist Babies

Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:20:24 am PDT

Good grief. Now the British nanny state is actually warning nursery school teachers to be on the lookout for racist babies.

Toddlers who turn their noses up at spicy food from overseas could be branded racists by a Government-sponsored agency.

The National Children’s Bureau, which receives £12 million a year, mainly from Government funded organisations, has issued guidance to play leaders and nursery teachers advising them to be alert for racist incidents among youngsters in their care.

This could include a child of as young as three who says “yuk” in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food.

The guidance by the NCB is designed to draw attention to potentially-racist attitudes in youngsters from a young age. It alerts playgroup leaders that even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can “recognise different people in their lives”.

The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: “Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships.”

It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: “blackie”, “Pakis”, “those people” or “they smell”. The guide goes on to warn that children might also “react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying ‘yuk’”.

Staff are told: “No racist incident should be ignored. When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action.”

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1 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:21:24am

"yuk"

2 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:21:31am

Hopefully this will put an end to all those toddler cross-burning incidents.

/

3 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:06am

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

What kid likes exotic food?

4 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:37am

mommie!

5 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:39am

This is nucking futs.

6 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:47am

My niece used to say "Idon'tlikeit" as one word when she was asked to try new foods. Is that racist?

7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:49am

BUT ITS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHILDREN!

Words that you should never trust.

8 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:22:50am

This in: Broccoli is a race.

9 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #8 Iron Fist

This in: Broccoli is a race.

ROFL!

10 Avery Bullard  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:26am

Britain's descent continues............

11 kynna  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:30am

Dear Lord. This gets more absurd every day. I don't know why I'm ever surprised.

I'm so sad for all the normal Brits who have to experience this. And then I think of our situation here in the US and I'm sadder still -- because I know it's coming.

In fact, it's already here.

12 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:32am

At least in England they can eat all they want

13 zmdavid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:37am
Nurseries are encouraged to report as many incidents as possible to their local council.


This is why you should always take statistics from advocacy groups with a grain of salt, at least, or maybe even dismiss them outright. Expect to see a report in the future that x% of UK preschoolers are racist (and then ignore it).

14 bosforus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:43am

Every day, closer and closer to Harrison Bergeron.

16 inkling  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:58am

My five-year-old says "yuk" every other meal we serve. She's such a stupid racist.

17 dsrtegl  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:00am

I'm speechless. I.... I don't know what to say. The sheer stupidity is hurting my brain.

18 drogheda  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:22am

Will it be considered racist if some of the little darlings don't find pork to their liking?

19 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:33am
20 bosforus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:40am

re: #17 dsrtegl

I'm speechless. I.... I don't know what to say. The sheer stupidity is hurting my brain.

That's your mistake, using your brain. If you want to understand these kinds of things you'll have to turn it off.

21 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:41am

"Now Charlie, you eat that curry, or Mohammed and Sanji will feel sad. Do you want them to feel sad on multi-cultural month? They ate what your mommy brought for British history day, didn't they?"

22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:51am

re: #8 Iron Fist

This in: Broccoli is a race.

Makes as much sense as saying Muslims are a race.

23 WinShape  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:58am

So...what if my toddler loves quesadillas, but hates refried beans? Or he loves rice, but can't stand soy sauce. Can you be half-racist?

24 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:03am

Force feeding assorted hot curries to the kids could be the next great breakthrough in British child care! And don't forget the marinated camel meat while you're at it!

25 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:04am
even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can “recognise different people in their lives”.

Good grief. That's just chilling.

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:25am
“react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying ‘yuk’”.

If they apply that rule to mushy peas and blood pudding there's going to be a problem. Luckily multiculturalism only goes one way.

27 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:29am

Holy shit! Is THIS what's in store for us when the Dems try to make us "more European"?

How mush more stupid can the Brits get?
/dumb question

28 zmdavid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:32am

What if they refuse to eat pork?

29 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:36am

Why not, I heard on FOX that we have to issue cholesterol drugs to 2 yr olds here in the USA this morning, these folks have definitely gone 'round the bend, I mean yeah, that's what our children need more drugs, glad I live in a bunker in the middle of nowhere Texas with plenty of ammo and guns. LOLOLOL

30 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:39am

If it's not pizza, fries, hot dogs, chips or ice cream, my boy wants no part of it.

Potato chips are like crack to him.

And that's just breakfast ...

/

31 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:46am

re: #21 nikis-knight

They ate what your mommy brought for British history day, didn't they?

I'd actually give them credit for that.

32 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:47am

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

33 Drained Brain  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:48am

The oldest of our six grandchildren isn't even seven yet and now I find out every single one of them is a racist. Thank God they don't live in the UK.

34 Troika37  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:49am

So you're a racist for not being fond of curry?

Looks like the sun is indeed setting on the British empire.

35 BingoBunny  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:25:56am

I'm not surprised this is coming out.. to the left any different thought is treason against the state.. unless the state is not leftist.. then anything short of genocide is patriotism.

36 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:26:13am
Nurseries are encouraged to report as many incidents as possible to their local council. The guide added: "Some people think that if a large number of racist incidents are reported, this will reflect badly on the institution. In fact, the opposite is the case."

Why? So the government can shove more laws down the throats of tots?

37 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:26:24am

MindCrime! Babies who say "yuk" to unfamiliar food will be shot on site.
It's for the common good.

38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #13 zmdavid

This is why you should always take statistics from advocacy groups with a grain of salt, at least, or maybe even dismiss them outright. Expect to see a report in the future that x% of UK preschoolers are racist (and then ignore it).

Any school not reporting incidents will likey be accused of non-compliance and subject to penalities of some sort.

39 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:26:34am

re: #18 drogheda

Hey, I don't dig on swine.

40 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:26:44am
41 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:00am

re: #30 JammieWearingFool

We could probably conquer the world with strategic deployments of Mac & Cheese.

42 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:06am

re: #30 JammieWearingFool

If it's not pizza, fries, hot dogs, chips or ice cream, my boy wants no part of it.

Potato chips are like crack to him.

And that's just breakfast ...

/

Your boy is good people. LOL

43 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:15am

re: #30 JammieWearingFool

So, he'd probably starve in NYC with the nanny staters in charge.

44 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:21am

Now you know the other reason so many here want early universal preschool. Not just to indoctrinate the kids into acceptable thinking, but to sniff out ungood thoughts at home.

45 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:22am

Colonal Call: What is this? Some kinda candy?
Mexican cook being interviewed: Grasshopper.
Colonal Call: Pffttoooy
Colonal Call: What else ya got?
Mexican cook: Biscuits.
Colonal Call: Mmmmm! You're hired.

/ from memory, from Lonesome Dove

By these standards, Call would be procecuted.

46 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:32am

All this food talk has me hungry.

BBL

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #30 JammieWearingFool

If it's not pizza, fries, hot dogs, chips or ice cream, my boy wants no part of it.

Potato chips are like crack to him.

And that's just breakfast ...

/

My oldest is the same way. Meanwhile, my youngest cant get enough broccoli or grapes.

48 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:27:47am

mush = much

/dumb Latino on keyboard

49 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:28:20am

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

This would seem to be an instance of currying favor with a certain minority.

It really should be a naan-issue.

50 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:28:29am

Obama started this shit when he started whining about saying anything against him was racist, hope that costs him lots of votes, asshole!

51 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:28:31am

Come to think of it, it might signal an improvement in British cuisine and eating habits. I mean, the Haggis, Yorkshire pudding, hardtack, and cold porridge, followed by gallons of stiff ale?

52 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:28:49am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

They ate what your mommy brought for British history day, didn't they?


I'd actually give them credit for that.

Well, when else would they teach how the white europeans invented slavery? Plus, it's the perfect time to have all the white kids apoligize to all the immigrant kids.

53 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:08am

Wait until a Scot brings in some haggis.
Racist! Plaidist!

Seriously, will they also report the "asian" child who makes remarks about how Islam will rule the others?
Oh, madrassas probably aren't subject to the rule.

Another suggestion - bring in some pork. Then the Jews and Muslims will both be considered racist.

54 PaxAmericana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:10am
It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: “blackie”, “Pakis”, “those people” or “they smell”.

Kids tend to say honest things without thinking. If a kid smells (no matter what his race), they'll say so. That doesn't make the kid a racist.

55 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:13am

re: #51 quickjustice

What's wrong with a stiff ale?

56 gwillie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:15am

So what they are saying is that racism is not learned (that what I was told from the 70s until today) but that some people are born racist. Talk about a leftwing flip-flop. Does that mean there will soon be a protected class for racist?

57 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:31am

re: #46 loppyd

All this food talk has me hungry.

BBL

Same here. I got a hankering for a bagel with peanut butter.

58 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:49am

And what of the babies who gravitate towards belt bombs?

59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:53am
60 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:29:58am

re: #54 PaxAmericana

Odorist!

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:10am

re: #52 nikis-knight

Plus, it's the perfect time to have all the white kids apoligize to all the immigrant kids.

If they make them eat "authentic" British food, then just the once, the apology would be in order!

62 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:20am

Does this work the other way? If they happen to LOVE spicy food, but detest, say, mac and cheese (something bland), are they considered racist, or freedom fighters?

63 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:22am

re: #51 quickjustice

Come to think of it, it might signal an improvement in British cuisine and eating habits. I mean, the Haggis, Yorkshire pudding, hardtack, and cold porridge, followed by gallons of stiff ale?

You got something against Yorkshire pudding? Nothing better when paired with Prime rib! If I was condemned and got to order a last meal, it would definitely have Yorkshire pudding!

64 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:24am

re: #55 lawhawk

What's wrong with a stiff ale?

Does it have a conscience?

65 drogheda  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:29am

re: #39 lawhawk

Hey, I don't dig on swine.

Well I dig in to swine.

66 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:34am

re: #56 gwillie

No, they're saying they learn it from their bigoted parents at such a young age. Impressionable minds need to be protected.

67 yesandno  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:39am

There is no cuisine in England. Kids are likely to say yuk to British food as well as any other. Kids are not racist at three. But they are potty trained. If they report little Mo not using toilet paper but his hand instead, what happens to little Billy when he refuses to high five little Mo?

These people have too much time on their hands are are definitely suffering from an almost lethal level of brain farts.

68 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:46am

Bad, Mandy. Bad.

bbiab

69 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Actually, if the food is revolting enough, it might go two ways; down, and then up again!

70 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:49am

re: #46 loppyd

Bunny-hop,

I'm throwing some poke ribs on the grill as we speak. ;-)

71 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #41 Occasional Reader

We could probably conquer the world with strategic deployments of Mac & Cheese.

Oddly enough, he's not crazy for mac and cheese. Or chicken nuggets. He won't even eat chicken unless it's parm, which is pizza chicken to him.

He actually does eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, and the food I mentioned are considered treats to him. He's funny though, first thing he asks when he sees me are what we're having for dinner. And if it's not burgers, hot dogs or pizza, he starts negotiating.

Good thing I keep him active. Don't need a fat 4-year-old.

72 pat  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:07am

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State. It has become a bizarre tyranny, where authorities would rather arrest the victims than the criminals. There seems to be a huge disconnect between the electorate and the politicians, between the Judiciary and the citizens. This seems to be happening in Democracies throughout the Western world. The electorate for whatever reason, votes in candidates that do not reflect national opinion or values.

73 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:20am
74 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:24am

re #19 FrogMarch
Wow, I think I'd have to pull my kid out of that school.

75 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:34am

re: #55 lawhawk

Nothing, but after a few gallons of the stuff, one may feel an impulse to-- you know! ;-)

76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:36am

re: #56 gwillie

So what they are saying is that racism is not learned (that what I was told from the 70s until today) but that some people are born racist. Talk about a leftwing flip-flop. Does that mean there will soon be a protected class for racist?

If people are born a certain way, well, then thats a problem that can be bred out. If you have to apply for a permit to have children and who you can have them with, we can end racism!

/Coming soon to a liberal utopia near you

77 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:42am

I am of Italian decent but I don't rally care for calamari. Now what!?

78 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:47am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

If they make them eat "authentic" British food, then just the once, the apology would be in order!

Well, you probably have a point. Even being derived from European stock of one sort or another, I have no idea what British food is, and I think there's a reason for that.

79 crown_of_feathers  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:31:50am

My four-year-old loves fruit.

I am glad he is culturally sensitive towards those of another sexual orientation.

/my bad

80 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:04am

I still dislike beets. Does that make me racist against beets?

81 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:18am

All I know is that after reading this I am going to be hungry for more in an hour.

82 LeonidasOfSparta  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:19am

The loonies are running the asylum in the UK and the Libs here in the US are trying to keep pace!

The whole damned lot of them should be herded together, loaded onto a large space shuttle and sent to colonize another planet-- with all the sickos they love and all the IslamoFacists.

83 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:36am

re: #56 gwillie

So what they are saying is that racism is not learned (that what I was told from the 70s until today) but that some people are born racist. Talk about a leftwing flip-flop. Does that mean there will soon be a protected class for racist?

Carry that to a horrible conclusion. A gene will be identified and thus be part of a round of pregnancy tests to encourage the mother to make an "informed choice." Brrr.....

84 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #77 VegasRick

I am of Italian decent but I don't rally care for calamari. Now what!?

Why eat it? Throw it on the ice!

/see my avatar ;-)

85 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:54am

re: #49 Occasional Reader

It really should be a naan-issue.

Hummus where the heart is.

86 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #43 lawhawk

So, he'd probably starve in NYC with the nanny staters in charge.

Well, the last place he ate in Manhattan was Pete's Tavern about a month ago. He loved their fries.

87 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:33:08am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

Why eat it? Throw it on the ice!

/see my avatar ;-)

Your boys are good!

88 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:33:27am

I'm starving. Heading for the Cuban place for a roast pork sammich. Onions and garlic mayo.. mmmm

89 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:33:33am

re: #80 Cygnus

I still dislike beets. Does that make me racist against beets?

Did you skip school the day the taught the Red Scare?

90 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:33:35am

re: #77 VegasRick

I'm Italian too but it surely isn't a decent! LOLre: #77 VegasRick

91 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:33:49am

re: #85 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Hummus where the heart is.

Well, time will tell; lassi how this whole issue works out.

92 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:01am

re: #85 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Hummus where the heart is.

Goodness, that was Falafel!

93 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:04am

re: #63 Russkilitlover

You like Yorkshire pudding? Well, there's no accounting for tastes. But as a person of culture and discernment, there must be some item of British cuisine you despise! ;-)

94 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:21am
95 acwgusa  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:23am

Bwhahhahahahhhah! Disliking food means Racist Babies! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Oh wait, you mean that they are serious?

/Cowers in corner, trying to block out stupidity rays from British Government.

96 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:31am

re: #84 Honorary Yooper

Why eat it? Throw it on the ice!

/see my avatar ;-)

I remember that incident. You guys get points for creativity.

97 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:35am

It takes a village...


...of idiots.

98 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:34:48am

I can't believe that the British government/charities (I think there's still a difference, but I'm not sure) would actually PAY someone for such a STUPID STUDY.
"They smell"? Well hell, maybe they do, that's not a racist comment.
"They won't eat foreign or spicy foods" - are you kidding me - kids won't eat a whole lot of things just because............they don't need a reason, much less a reason that rises to the level, in toddlers-3 year olds, to turn their noses up or spit out food they don't like.
This whole thing is a pile of stinking doo-doo!

99 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:14am

I react negatively to British cooking.

Does that make me a racist?

(Really, this whole thing has gone beyond ridiculous. . . )

100 Tumulus11  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:18am
'The guidance by the NCB is designed to draw attention to potentially-racist attitudes in youngsters from a young age. It alerts playgroup leaders that even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can 'recognise different people in their lives'.


. With babies, direct pressure to conform can never be applied too early. Remember, groupthink begins with playgroupthink.
/ Apply as needed.

101 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:19am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

I remember that incident. You guys get points for creativity.

The tradition dates back to 1952.

102 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:32am

I don't eat cow balls.

I hate myself.

103 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:43am

re: #77 VegasRick

I don't like calamari either.

Does that make me anti-Italian?

104 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:46am

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

Certainly the "school dinners" they served when I was there were a Cook's Tour--so to speak--of the inedible.

If you don't eat your spotted dick, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your spotted dick?

105 chinesearithmetic  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:53am

This could include a child of as young as three who says “yuk” in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food.

I'm 52. Try spanking me.

106 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:58am

re: #80 Cygnus,

You are beetophobic. You should apply to re-education camp. They'll teach you to eat your beets, and shut up.

107 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:35:59am

re: #102 Ben Hur

I don't eat cow balls.

I hate myself.

Aren't those just Rocky Mountain Oysters?

108 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:01am

re: #58 NoSubmission

And what of the babies who gravitate towards belt diaper bombs?

More age-appropriate.

109 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:02am

re: #90 'Nam Grunt

I'm Italian too but it surely isn't a decent! LOLre: #77 VegasRick

"My goodness!". "Goodness had nothing to do with it!"

110 6pat6  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:18am
Toddlers who turn their noses up at spicy food from overseas could be branded racists by a Government-sponsored agency.

I've tried really hard to give the British government, which is allegedly our ally, the benefit of the doubt. Lots of truly stupid edicts have been uttered from the mouths of their inane politicians and bureaucrats, but this really puts the last nail in the coffin that is/was Great Britain.

Racist babies and toddlers. Really? What the fuck are you people smoking over there?

111 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:27am

Oh, and the people who westerners tend to think smell bad, THINK WESTERNERS SMELL BAD.

112 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:37am

Pretty soon you won't be able to express yourself in any way, in fear of "offending" someone else. You will not be allowed to have likes and dislikes, or to have a "favorite" of anything; be it color, food, hairstyle, band, book, movie, etc. That would be discriminatory and possibly offensive. We must all be exactly the same in order to avoid offending anyone else.

The state will have every citizen in a drug-induced stupor of tranquility and social harmony from cradle to grave.

113 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:45am

And I don't like raw fish, or most sushi, so does that make me anti-Japanese?

(Hey, I love anime, manga, and the ImagineAsia T.V. channel! Doesn't that count for anything?)

114 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:50am

This sounds like a Monty Python sketch and not reality -- are they really serious with this?

115 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:51am
116 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:53am

I found out where these creatures hang out late at night in their basements, it's Coast to Coast AM! If you want to laugh if you have insomnia, tune in to that wild crap!

117 barb42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:36:59am

I hate Indian and other ethnic foods - too spicy. I guess that makes me a racist too. And children, particularly very small children, repeat by rote what they hear at home. Might not be healthy for small children to be raised by racists. Talk about scary Orwellian stuff. Sometimes I wonder how the all the great artworks in Europe will be handled when all this is over. All those statues without proper covering, the paintings of all those unclean dogs and uncovered females. To say nothing of the the old master works depicting such unacceptable 'polytheistic' religious themes. I think all those bonfires could add a lot of carbon to atmosphere.

118 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:01am

re: #102 Ben Hur

I don't eat cow balls.

I hate myself.

I don't eat bull tits, either.

119 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:08am

re: #93 quickjustice

You like Yorkshire pudding? Well, there's no accounting for tastes. But as a person of culture and discernment, there must be some item of British cuisine you despise! ;-)

I was served blood sausage once in Manchester. Didn't even need to try it to know that I despised it!

120 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:09am

This is about as bad as it gets. This PC stuff really is a mental illness. Of that I have no doubt. It's beyond absurd. These people should be quarantined, institutionalized and sedated, not necessarily for their own good, but to prevent them from infecting others. Especially innocent children.

121 crown_of_feathers  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:10am

I know all these little episodes in Britain can be dismissed as
not representative. However, at what point does the sheer quantity of them begin to tell us that there is something seriously wrong there?

122 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #110 6pat6

I know, I know, I feel the same way. . .

123 gwillie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:40am

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah now we know the reason behind the argument "you need a license to drive a car, but any fool can have a baby."

124 BGOH  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:44am

A baby once called me a stupid Mick. This was twelve years ago. I live with the emotional anguish every day.

/

125 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:37:57am
The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: “Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships.”

As always, when you see anything branded as "Justice," hold onto your pockets and run.

It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: “blackie”, “Pakis”, “those people” or “they smell”.

"You people" is apparently permissible.

126 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:08am

re: #77 VegasRick

I am of Italian decent but I don't rally care for calamari. Now what!?

Squidist!

127 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:09am

On the other hand, I love Chinese food, but despite Red China.

128 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #117 barb42

I hate Indian and other ethnic foods

Wow. That's pretty... sweeping. To each his own, etc., but you might want to branch out a little.

129 ErnieG  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:22am

re: #51 quickjustice

Come to think of it, it might signal an improvement in British cuisine and eating habits. I mean, the Haggis, Yorkshire pudding, hardtack, and cold porridge, followed by gallons of stiff ale?

Don't forget the Spotted Dick for dessert.

130 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:39am

Future generations will be medicated to ensure that they behave according to what the Leftist elites define as "normal".

Sounds like science fiction.

re: #29 'Nam Grunt

Why not, I heard on FOX that we have to issue cholesterol drugs to 2 yr olds here in the USA this morning, these folks have definitely gone 'round the bend, I mean yeah, that's what our children need more drugs, glad I live in a bunker in the middle of nowhere Texas with plenty of ammo and guns. LOLOLOL

131 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:45am

it really looks like these teachers are being asked to spy on toddlers.
i bet none of them have the skills to draw conclusions from sounds coming out of the mouths of babes. lots of possibilities for abuse of power.
parents can be accused of crimes based on a child's grunt.

where have the voices of reason gone in britain?

132 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:38:58am

Indians are racist because they don't eat burgers.

133 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:01am
134 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:04am

The end of the Soviet Union did nothing to stop the Leftists and Marxists inside the West from continuing ahead with the deconstruction of Western civilization from within.

Sadly, Britain will be the first to fall.

135 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:13am

re: #114 baxtrice

This sounds like a Monty Python sketch and not reality -- are they really serious with this?

I'm thinking that maybe this is their version of April Fools Day.

136 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:38am

re: #89 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Did you skip school the day the taught the Red Scare?

I was in a march wearing my red neckerchief.

137 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:47am

re: #111 Ben Hur

Oh, and the people who westerners tend to think smell bad, THINK WESTERNERS SMELL BAD.

And of course, many do. In the West, the whole idea of "you're really supposed to take a bath or shower every day" is very much an Americas thing... not so much in a lot of Europe.

138 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #112 Pyrocles

I'm afraid that's exactly what they want, and exactly where we're headed.

(They'll allow us to like some approved things, such as Oprah, the DaVinci code and everything ever written by Al Gore.)

139 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:39:56am

You see, here on the good ship Titanic, we Brits like to keep our deck chairs arranged just so...
/

140 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:03am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

If you don't eat your spotted dick, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your spotted dick?

Spotted dick, coming up!

141 rabidsquirrel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:05am
The guidance by the NCB is designed to draw attention to potentially-racist attitudes in youngsters from a young age. It alerts playgroup leaders that even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can “recognise different people in their lives”.

Will they publish a baby-talk to English dictionary so Brits can discern for themselves whether their little tykes are racist hate-mongerers, or is this just a job for the nanny-state?

142 ErnieG  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:06am

And then there are matzo balls. Is that the only part of them you can eat?

143 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:07am

re: #117 barb42

I hate Indian and other ethnic foods

You need to go out this minute and get yourself a chili rellano!

144 guy_philly  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:10am

re: #99 TalkinKamel

I react negatively to British cooking.

Does that make me a racist?

(Really, this whole thing has gone beyond ridiculous. . . )


Maybe you hit on the real reason for this effort: everyone knows the Brits are not known for their culinary skills, and this will level the field with the rest of the world!

145 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:14am

re: #19 FrogMarch

The toddlers are also racist for not praying to Allah

But the toddlers who pray to Allah aren't racists.

Even if they want to destroy Israel.

146 6pat6  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:24am

re: #72 pat

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State

The movie "V for Vendetta" fits somehow...

147 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:28am

re: #130 Pyrocles

I'm dubious of the efficacy of cholesterol drugs for all adults, and now they want to give them to kids?

148 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:32am

(Shakes head. Finishes microwaved leftover spaghetti.)

149 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:41am

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

What do you have against pemmican, succotash and broiled buffalo?

Funny you should mention that; I have a bison strip steak in the fridge at this very moment, waiting to be broiled up tonight.

150 Dave_Da_Kid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:40:59am

My little guy won't try anything new without having a gagging fit. He's pretty much limited to grilled cheese, pasta, yogurt and whatever fruits or veggies we're having. At least he eats that. He won't eat my home made ravioli or any of the good Portugese food my wife makes. I guess he hates his heritage... LOL...

151 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:00am

And if the Paki don't like pork?
Will "selective" dating and mating follow?
Once everyone has their blindfold in place...shoot'em.

152 bald headed geek  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:09am

re: #2 Occasional Reader

ROTFLMAO! I had to close my door because I started to laugh so hard......

:-D

Seriously, every time I think that the Brits have reached the zenith of political correctness, they outdo themselves. What politically correct insanity.........

BHG

153 6pat6  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:27am

re: #112 Pyrocles

Pretty soon you won't be able to express yourself in any way, in fear of "offending" someone else. You will not be allowed to have likes and dislikes, or to have a "favorite" of anything; be it color, food, hairstyle, band, book, movie, etc. That would be discriminatory and possibly offensive. We must all be exactly the same in order to avoid offending anyone else.

There is the very definition of "diversity"

154 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:30am

I wonder where these people stand on British Madrassa's and their cirriculum for children.

Oh wait, DESCENDANTS of apes and pigs, not EATING apes and pigs.

My bad.

155 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:42am

Soon: British to stop bathing due to racism. Everyone must smell bad - for the common good.

/soap is evil!

156 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #140 MandyManners

Spotted dick, coming up!

Oh, my! Spotted dick is wonderful! My grandma made it all the time. I've never tried making it, but you've got me hungering for it now!

157 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:41:59am

re: #34 Troika37

"Looks like the sun is indeed setting has set on the British empire.
There, fixed that for you!

158 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:01am

re: #21 nikis-knight

"Now Charlie, you eat that curry, or Mohammed and Sanji will feel sad. Do you want them to feel sad on multi-cultural month? They ate what your mommy brought for British history day, didn't they?"

"Actually mommy was derided for bringing halal foods for Muslim children to try and now you may no longer be able to attend school because mommy and daddy have offended some sensibilities. What? No this is not a grim reaper costume for Halloween, Mommy just needs to go to your madrassa - I mean public school _ wearing this to ask for you to get back in class . . ."

159 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:13am
160 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:28am
161 JSK1121  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:29am

What if an 'Asian' child cries in disgust a 'yuk akbar' towards fish n' chips or baked beans? Will the same standard be upheld?

Also, some people just smell, period. How is it a little kid's fault to point out that one of his playgroup friends needs a bubble bath?

I can't believe we bailed Europe out against the Nazis only to have them turn into spineless, gutless, soulless wankers.

162 drogheda  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #72 pat

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State. It has become a bizarre tyranny, where authorities would rather arrest the victims than the criminals. ...

Much safer to arrest the victims you know. You run far less chance of getting hurt in the process. Arresting the criminals could be dangerous seeing as the criminals display antisocial tendencies and are prone to commit violence. Better to be safe than sorry. Besides the victim probably performed some insensitive, racist provocation like turning up his nose at the curry.

/A nanny state is a safe state

163 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:45am

"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta."
- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 2

164 jemima  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:48am

#76

So people can be born racist and then the government must correct them.
If people are born gay, should the government correct them?
If racist parents breed racist children, then preventing them from breeding is a simple matter of sterilization.
Which of course is not an issue in the homosexuality arena.

Forget about future, we have entered a dystopian now.

/If people can be born Jews, then that's also an issue I suppose will be dealt with soon enough. Again.

165 American Soldier  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:42:51am

/ franticly rooting through pantry and 'fridge to make sure I'm covered

curry powder- check
chick peas- check
Tobasco- check
PB & J- check
bagels- check
whole-wheat bread- check
rice-check
soy sauce- check

Damn- no pork or chocolate-covered ants. I'm screwed!

166 Dave_Da_Kid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:05am

FrogMarch
Re#155
That's already happened in large sections of Vermont. Probably other "blue" places in the USA as well. LOL..

/Down with hygene!

167 bald headed geek  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:10am

re: #8 Iron Fist

This in: Broccoli is a rabe.

There, fixed!

BHG

168 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:45am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

Mashed acorns just don't go over that well......

169 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:51am

What our children need is a smack on the ass when they act up, and then an explanation as to why they got that smack, then make them get out and play chase or some ballgame that requires excercise, that's the way I raised my Boys and their perfect!

170 muckdog  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:52am

Is spitting-up ethnic cuisine now a hate crime?

171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:43:57am

Why is it when libs start talking about "justice" it means the opposite?

172 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:44:07am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

Someone tried that, and it was so popular, they had to sell tickets to get in. But the tickets kept getting scalped.

/rimshot

173 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:24am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

We invaders absorbed it into our culture.

174 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:31am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

I was going to order a batch of those, how are they?

175 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #163 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Huxley saw this coming. . .

176 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:39am

re: #82 LeonidasOfSparta

The loonies are running the asylum in the UK and the Libs here in the US are trying to keep pace!

The whole damned lot of them should be herded together, loaded onto a large space shuttle and sent to colonize another planet-- with all the sickos they love and all the IslamoFacists.

I suggest Venus or Mercury.
We might actually be able to colonize Mars; let's not ruin it now.
Or we can send them on a giant space ark that never will really get anywhere, unless it crashes into a planet by accident (see Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Universe, original TV or book, not the movie)

177 American Soldier  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:40am

re: #172 Occasional Reader

Someone tried that, and it was so popular, they had to sell tickets to get in. But the tickets kept getting scalped.

/rimshot

That was a racist crack. You shall be reported to the appropriate Ministry.

178 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:46am

re: #135 Ford_Prefect

I'm thinking that maybe this is their version of April Fools Day.

Ghastly one at that.

179 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:51am

I say almost every time "Yuk" to British breakfast... Am i racist ?

no Idea.. I just thought its all about taste.... but today I really want to do one think racist.... British government , a big "YUK"

180 dsrtegl  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:45:52am

re: #137 Occasional Reader

And of course, many do. In the West, the whole idea of "you're really supposed to take a bath or shower every day" is very much an Americas thing... not so much in a lot of Europe.

I had a Romanian immigrant that worked for me for a while. Broaching that subject is a little touchy, but had to be done because of other employee's complaints.

That was my first management nightmare.

181 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:46:28am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

I'd be up for the "shoot your own buffalo" feature.

182 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:46:33am

re: #170 muckdog

Is spitting-up ethnic cuisine now a hate crime?

apparently so, thus the reason the government indoctrination is needed through these guidelines to the teachers.

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:46:51am
184 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:47:01am

poor 3 yrs. old children's.... British politicians have stolen their right to say "Yuk"

185 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:47:31am

re: #177 American Soldier

That was a racist crack. You shall be reported to the appropriate Ministry.

Did I mention that the restaurant wouldn't accept... reservations?

/another rimshot, as I'm dragged away to Readjustment Camp

186 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:47:38am

re: #181 Occasional Reader

I'd be up for the "shoot your own buffalo" feature.

OK, but you have to eat the whole thing, and use the rest to make stuff, like the hide makes a teepee, etc.

187 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #111 Ben Hur

Oh, and the people who westerners tend to think smell bad, THINK WESTERNERS SMELL BAD.

Have you ever been in an elevator in London with a bunch of French tourists? Did it seem like it took a week to get to the fifth floor?

188 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:48:21am

re: #184 loveguru

poor 3 yrs. old children's.... British politicians have stolen their right to say "Yuk"

wow, who knew yuk would be a hate crime?

189 bellamags  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:48:45am

OK people. totally OT:

this will make you cry.

Christian the Lion

190 Steffan  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:48:46am

Well, I see Ingsoc is still doubleplusgood on ol' Airstrip One.

So will they be sending these juvenile crimethinkers to joycamps?

191 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:49:22am

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

You might be on to something, but I think you'll jeopardize your SBA loan if your servers dress like Pocahantas!

192 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:49:23am

re: #187 NY Nana

Have you ever been in an elevator in London with a bunch of French tourists? Did it seem like it took a week to get to the fifth floor?

Took a dance class once, and in the class was a French student who was attending LSU. I'm not sure this guy had ever heard of "deodorant", or "laundry detergent".

193 lurking faith  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:49:42am

If they would confine themselves to teaching the little kids not to use ethnic slurs, this would be okay with me.

But thinking little kids who say yuk to new foods must be racist? That's insane. I think the authors of these guidelines have lost their tenuous grip on reality.

And in these days when everybody knows about deadly severe food allergies, they had better think twice about forcing kids to eat unfamiliar things.

194 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:50:14am

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
New worst ever slogan: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you, for the children."

195 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:50:19am
196 pat  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:50:25am

This, of course, has nothing to do with the kids. It is all about controlling the parents. And we know instinctively that the progenitors of these policies are targeting white or Christian parents. And the greatest evil will not be 'race', but homophobia or Islamophobia. Two made up words that mean nothing in the real world.

197 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:50:26am
198 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:50:45am

A moment of silence for England, please. RIP old friend.

199 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:13am

Monica Lewinski was quite fond of spotted dick, I hear.

200 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:23am

GB, Oregon, Wash., and Cali they should have their own island so we can keep track of them.......well not Cali they're on fire and Awwwwwnold wants to charge every household $500 to pay for the Brave firefighters, sure thing Arnold that's where I want to live, U-Haul should make a fortune moving their units to Cali!

201 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:35am

re: #193 lurking faith,

They're afraid the child might think for themselves. Nothing is more threatening to the L³eft than original thought.

202 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:41am

re: #199 Cartman

Yuk.

203 CodePirate  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:41am

So a child not liking spicy foods is racist... but a bunch of people that don't like puppies on postcards is fine. Hmmm... funny old world. It must be a cultural thing.

204 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:43am

re: #188 nyc redneck

wow, who knew yuk would be a hate crime?

Which would make this guy Hitler!

205 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:51:44am

re: #168 Russkilitlover

Mashed acorns just don't go over that well......

McMaize

206 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:52:23am

Man, just when I thought the British elites couldn't get any dumber, they go out and demonstrate they are way, way dumber than I thought. If a 3 year old kid doesn't like spicy food he might be a racist? This is so freakin' absurd it boggles the mind! My wife doesn't like spicy food, by this ludicrous standard my wife might be a racist! Holy cow!

Sadly, it's in line with the idiocy we are seeing come out of the formerly Great Britain. By this stupid criteria, if someone doesn't like spicy food, or a certain type of music or art, they can be labeled a racist. And what if a 3 year old kid doesn't like spicy food, are they going to put him/her in a re-education camp? Are they going to force feed the poor kid spicy food to change his/her taste? Truly, they are going nuts over there.

207 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:52:48am

Yuk everybody....

how are you yuking today ?

208 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:02am

re: #199 Cartman

That's just wrong.

209 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

As macrobiotic restaurants have shown, mere edibility is--or can be--secondary to a good story when ensuring a restaurant's success.

A restaurant which featured bison, deer meet, various maize dishes, etc., etc., with proper decor and a good publicist would probably do quite well with the natural-and-back-to-the-land crowd. Teepee-cal Indian food! With full firewater bar!

Come to think of it, "Early Bird Special" really does sound like an Indian name.

210 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:15am

My apologies. My last comment was in very poor taste, so to speak.

211 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:15am

re: #21 nikis-knight

"Now Charlie, you eat that curry, or Mohammed and Sanji will feel sad. Do you want them to feel sad on multi-cultural month? They ate what your mommy brought for British history day, didn't they?"

They don't have British History Day anymore. Now it's called "National Day of Sorrow and Repentance for Colonialism and Imperialism."

212 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:19am

re: #144 guy_philly

Maybe you hit on the real reason for this effort: everyone knows the Brits are not known for their culinary skills, and this will level the field with the rest of the world!

Actually, what they are talking about with the food is dangerous on two levels:

1. Why are they giving small kids spicy foods as a test? Their digestion systems are still developing, and the potential reactions are not something most parents want to contemplate. Why would Britain want to be known as the nation that deliberately made her children puke?

2. The cool climate of the British Isles leads to a generally blander diet for a reason. Spicy foods stimulate the body to give off heat, which is good in more tropical climates, but a very bad idea in England. Are they trying to give kids hypothermia?

And then there's the conditioned response. A little kid gets spicy food put in front of him. He turns up his nose at it. Next thing he knows, he and his parents are all in trouble. Twenty years later, someone puts spicy food in front of the same person, and he has an inexplicable panic attack.

Madness. Even in my just-woke-up state, I can see this madness for what it is. But then again, how many of the insane know they are insane?

213 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:38am

The people who wrote these probably never had kids, dislike kids in general, and are card-carrying members of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

re: #193 lurking faith

If they would confine themselves to teaching the little kids not to use ethnic slurs, this would be okay with me.

But thinking little kids who say yuk to new foods must be racist? That's insane. I think the authors of these guidelines have lost their tenuous grip on reality.

And in these days when everybody knows about deadly severe food allergies, they had better think twice about forcing kids to eat unfamiliar things.

214 BGOH  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:53:53am

"Hello. My name is Colin Fitzsimmonswater, and I'm with the GPU. I am here to rescue your baby and take him to a reeducation camp where we will...work...the racist hate out of it."

215 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #163 Who Watches the Watchmen?

"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta."
- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 2

'A gramme is better than a damn.'
If this keeps up, we'll all need soma.

216 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:54:04am

re: #72 pat

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State. It has become a bizarre tyranny, where authorities would rather arrest the victims than the criminals. There seems to be a huge disconnect between the electorate and the politicians, between the Judiciary and the citizens. This seems to be happening in Democracies throughout the Western world. The electorate for whatever reason, votes in candidates that do not reflect national opinion or values.


YOU MAKE UP THIS SHIT!

217 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:54:18am
218 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:54:19am

re: #210 Cartman

My apologies. My last comment was in very poor taste, so to speak.

*snicker*

219 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:54:32am

re: #195 Ojoe
HEY! How'd you get those photos of the authors of this study?!?

220 alegrias  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:01am

Meanwhile Zimbabweans remember fondly when they had food at all in their country (as Rhodesia), before marxist mugabe-onomics.

Coincidence? I think not.

221 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:07am

re: #219 realwest

GOO gle

222 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:11am

re: #18 drogheda

Will it be considered racist if some of the little darlings don't find pork to their liking?

Serving pork at school is considered racist. Obviously, I'm going to have to report you for not knowing that.

223 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:20am

re: #199 Cartman

Monica Lewinski was quite fond of spotted dick, I hear.

With strong Leftist tendencies.

224 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:50am

re: #196 pat

This, of course, has nothing to do with the kids. It is all about controlling the parents. And we know instinctively that the progenitors of these policies are targeting white or Christian parents. And the greatest evil will not be 'race', but homophobia or Islamophobia. Two made up words that mean nothing in the real world.

this twisted move by the gov't to spy on children is going to really annoy parents. it is going to cause more tension btw brits and moslems.
it is too intrusive and disrespectful. too controlling. hope it back fires soon.

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:55am
226 grumpy old codger  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #78 nikis-knight

Overcooked vegetables and ubdercooked beef.

227 pat  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:56:01am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

In part that is because it is eaten daily. Fully 50% of the food stuffs of the world are from the new world. Among the dishes currently most eaten are baked beans, both sweet and salty, tacos, corn in all its forms, succotash, potatoes of every preparation, avocadoes, salsa, tacos, and virtually all dishes that are simmered in chiles, such as Chili Colorados.Even such dishes as Swiss Steak have their orgination in America. Swiss, BTW, refers to swissing, or hammering tough meat to tenderize.

228 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:56:02am

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

It was OR who has the bison steak, not me. The one time I had bison it tasted like lean beef.

Yep, that's basically it. Very slightly stronger flavor than beef, but quite similar.

229 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:56:07am

re: #223 victor_yugo

With strong Leftist tendencies.

Spot on.

230 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:56:12am

Does this mean that Mr. Yuk is a racist?

231 yesandno  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:56:14am

Actually, this is more subversive then it appears.

What we have here is people reporting people. People judging parental skills based on some sort of stupid interpolation of the term YUK with no reference to the age of the group they are dealing with and the natural propensity of children not liking new food tastes out of the house.

Eventually the parents will be held responsible and then the children being taken from the parents, etc.

And then there is the quota to meet. You know that they made this decree thinking that this is not only a huge problem but that it occurs all the time. Don't report someone, you are in jeopardy for your job. So marginal signs get reported as large violations.

How does this differ from reporting your neighbor's behavior in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany or in any 2 bit dictatorship that has ever existed?

This is scary...making individual behavior suspect to the demands of the group.

232 alegrias  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:20am

If only Britain had let in to their country Martha Stewart recently--all children would willingly eat good things.

233 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:21am

re: #212 victor_yugo

1. Why are they giving small kids spicy foods as a test? Their digestion systems are still developing, and the potential reactions are not something most parents want to contemplate. Why would Britain want to be known as the nation that deliberately made her children puke?

How'd you like to be a parent who has to deal with a kid who feels the pain when he poops all that spice? Clean up the diaper?

234 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:25am

Who knew all this time it's not that children are picky eaters - no no. Children are racists.

235 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:29am

re: #156 Russkilitlover

I also love it. They have it in cans, made by Heinz (UK), and it is vegetarian. We can get it in Fairway, in NY.

It is also the name of a pub in Toronto.

236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:40am
237 lurking faith  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:47am

re: #201 Iron Fist

,

They're afraid the child might think for themselves. Nothing is more threatening to the L³eft than original thought.

I couldn't agree more.

238 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:55am

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

I sorry, I sorry, LOL. I see that commercial always late at night and just wondered how they are, because I'm skeptical of commercials that are shown late at night, even tho' I understand that time slot is the cheapest cost!

239 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #229 Cartman

Spot on.

Not that I would know. Personally.

240 Shug  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:58:06am

What shall they say to Middle Eastern babies who say "yuk" at Porky pig and snoopy?

How about infant boys who demand infant girls cover themselves?

241 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:58:36am

re: #213 Pyrocles

The people who wrote these probably never had kids, dislike kids in general, and are card-carrying members of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

Un...believable.

242 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:58:50am
243 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:12am

re: #241 Ford_Prefect

VHEM very big insult to the Creator

244 alegrias  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:13am

Any wonder parents want school vouchers, to send children to their choice of school? Not the community-organized school of re-education!

245 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #228 Occasional Reader

The trick to cooking bison is to not overcook it. It's far leaner than beef, so if you overcook it, it becomes rubber.

246 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:35am
247 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:37am

re: #240 Shug,

When little Ackmed beheads all his GI Joe dolls, they will simply smile, and say "Well done".

248 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:39am

re: #216 AuntAcid

YOU MAKE UP THIS SHIT!

Was that out of exasperation and disbelief/sarcasm... or was that a serious statement?

249 Eowyn2  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:42am

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Semi-OT, I'm actually amazed that nobody has opened, to my knowledge, a restaurant featuring American Indian cuisine.

You need to come west of the Mississippi.
We have quite a few places that serve "Native American" dishes. I cant think of a single restraunt that serves ONLY Native American.

I love Curry and other Indian foods. I also like lots of ginger in my Chinese Food. Habenero peppers in my chili. Blood Sausage: No thanks.

250 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:59:51am

buzzsaw - as I suspected, the National Museum of the American Indian traveled forward in time and stole your idea for their museum café.

251 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:00:00am

Ok OR tell me how those Bison Steaks are!

252 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:00:11am
253 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:00:24am

re: #231 yesandno

How does this differ from reporting your neighbor's behavior in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany or in any 2 bit dictatorship that has ever existed?

Or asking the kids in East Berlin to draw the logo they saw on the TV the night before.

The kids who drew a logo from a West Berlin TV station got their parents in trouble.

254 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:01:10am
255 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:01:23am

Well the moment may yet arrive when the Brits have had a bellyful! ;-)

256 LeatherNeckLady  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:01:30am

So what happens if a child says "poo"? Does that mean that it offends EVERYONE, since this has a pretty universal meaning?

257 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:01:57am

re: #231 yesandno

What about the kid in Canada who was taken from her parents for drawing a swastika on her arm?

258 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:02:09am

OT -- all this talk of food is making me hungry. Wonder if that makes me racist?

259 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:02:22am
260 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:02:24am
261 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:02:54am
262 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:01am

re: #251 'Nam Grunt

Ok OR tell me how those Bison Steaks are!

I am no longer "OR". You may now call me Dances With Grill.

263 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:26am
264 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:38am

re: #254 buzzsawmonkey

With a lot of semi-historical blather on the menus, cozy wigwam decor, and a good publicist I would think it would be a runaway hit.

Until the local First Peoples start raising a ruckus and calling you "unauthentic" and "fake" and "racist"...

You racist bastard.

re: #256 LeatherNeckLady

So what happens if a child says "poo"? Does that mean that it offends EVERYONE, since this has a pretty universal meaning?

Yes, from here forward, his name will be "Winnie the Shit".

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:41am
266 bulwrk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:42am

So if a pregnant women eats a spicy meal that disagrees with her could that be a sign of a racist embryo?

267 bianchi_roadie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:47am

re: #56 gwillie

I wonder if this is actually to indentify and record parents for teaching their kids "racist" ideas. I bet the assumption is is that the parents are racists and the children are being used to rat them out.

Orwell would be depressed to see his novel was not taken as a warning, but as a blueprint.

268 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:56am

re: #215 Cygnus

'A gramme is better than a damn.'
If this keeps up, we'll all need soma.

I say a dram is better than a dramme.
Or Yuk to dramme.

269 formercorpsman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:03:57am
cozy wigwam decor

O....M....G....

I'm tearing up as I write this.

Oh man that was good.

270 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:03am

This is another step in the "progressive" agenda of making it a crime to be white anglo-saxon.

271 jcm  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:12am

Next step....

Kid in school is fed food from culture X.
Kid says YUK!

Mommy and Daddy get a visit and mandatory counseled on raising non-racist kids.

272 alegrias  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:36am

Well, NO FRIED FOODS for the kiddies! (That's american dems dictating what politically correct people can eat.)

273 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:36am

re: #216 AuntAcid

YOU MAKE UP THIS SHIT!

The Church of Cosmetology is made up. This isn't.

274 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #258 baxtrice

OT -- all this talk of food is making me hungry. Wonder if that makes me racist?

Only against countries that have no food.

275 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:51am
276 yochanan  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:04:51am

had to go to the local social sec. office and it was odoriferous reminded me of the smell from a used pampers. but there were no babies in the place but there were half a doz Muslims..

maybe not knowing what .t.p. is for. who knows.

277 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:02am

No need to cower. Tinfoil hats work just fine.

re: #95 acwgusa

Bwhahhahahahhhah! Disliking food means Racist Babies! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Oh wait, you mean that they are serious?

/Cowers in corner, trying to block out stupidity rays from British Government.

278 Boston Patriot  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:22am

Is this from The Onion?

279 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:32am

One of my kids survived for years on chicken fingers and carrots.

/awaiting the secret police....

280 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:37am
281 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:38am

re: #254 buzzsawmonkey Hey buzz - yeah, you'd think so. But they did open a place in NYC about 15 years or so ago which "featured" Native American Cuisine. It appears that even in uber-liberal, elite NYC, the food didn't appeal to many who tried it - don't know why, I've had venison and Bison and - other than the fact that they are a little
"gammy" and tough (which means they weren't prepared for modern day American - and especially foreign born - palattes.
Nontheless, it did close it's doors after only about a year and a half.
Go figure.

282 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:52am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

I bet that grill is a Buffalo Gal.

For in that sleep of death
What dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off to Buffalo?

283 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:05:56am

re: #262 Occasional Reader

I have a visit to Ohio in my future to rightymouse's house, maybe we can have a grill off. LOL

284 JHW  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:06:00am

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

Some of the cafes on reservations here in the Northwest, and certainly in restaurants in casinos have a form of I guess you could call it Northwest Indian cooking. Heavy on the seafood, salmon filleted broadly in a cedar stake framework and roasted near an open alder fire and such, and the ever popular Indian fry bread.
Indian fry bread recipe

Quinault Indian Nation Site with photo of traditional salmon cooker as I described. I think the Yakama tribe may have something similar, they are having record runs (since 1950s ) of blueback salmon on the Columbia River .

285 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:06:11am

re: #188 nyc redneck

I was thinking of physiological effect....

What type of slave those children's be, who even don't have right to express the likes and dislikes concerning their tastes..... its like putting futter to a dog !

286 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:06:35am

re: #227 pat

There is a restaurant in Vancouver, BC, that serves North West Coast native cuisine. They were doing cedar planked salmon long before the Food Channel made it a fad.

287 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:06am

Actually - this is all the fault of the USA!
If you hadn't invented FEMINISM, and exported it to us, then the wimmin who sit on those semi-governmental bodies would still be doing useful things rather than blather leftist shoighte in order to justify their exsistence, and the millions of our money they spend on crap like that!

/sarc

288 Stringart  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:07am
The National Children’s Bureau, which receives £12 million a year, mainly from Government funded organisations

If this is the kind of crap British taxpayers are getting, it's time for massive tax cuts. Come to think of it, that would cure most of the so-called problems we have.

289 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:34am

re: #271 jcm

Next step....

Kid in school is fed food from culture X.
Kid says YUK!

Or the kid pukes it up because the spice is too extreme for him.

Mommy and Daddy get a visit and mandatory counseled on raising non-racist kids.

And then Mommy and Daddy start saving for a one-way trip to the USA, where they'll ask for political asylum from the torture against their kid and the harassment against themselves.

290 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:36am
291 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:43am

If you ask for grits you will be sent to re-education camp (public school).

292 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:45am

re: #257 MandyManners


The neo-nazi bitch of a mother drew it on her kids...here is the info.

293 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:48am

re: #279 experiencedtraveller

One of my kids survived for years on chicken fingers and carrots.

/awaiting the secret police....

Chicken fingers... cow balls.... man, the stuff I learn here!

294 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:07:59am

re: #274 Ford_Prefect

Only against countries that have no food.

Better eat while I can, I have a feeling when Obama is declared Messiah, my food will go to those who think like him. :)

295 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:20am

re: #248 rlevitin

Was that out of exasperation and disbelief/sarcasm... or was that a serious statement?

My guess is they left off the word can't.
My guess.

296 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:22am
297 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:41am

Does Kasper still record stuff for LGF?
Misreporting Muslims


As tonight's Dispatches shows, the media's coverage of Islam alienates and demonises a vulnerable British minority.

...
In modern Britain, it is no longer acceptable for the media to engage in such egregiously inaccurate or recklessly bigoted coverage of minority groups.

There is, however, one glaring exception to this rule – Muslims. As writer and broadcaster Peter Oborne points out in tonight's Dispatches on Channel 4, these rather shocking headlines have already appeared in our national press, but only in relation to Britain's Muslim minority. In the wake of 7/7, the press has been given free rein to effectively demonise the Islamic faith and its two million adherents in this country.

Dispatches commissioned Cardiff University's school of journalism to carry out a unique study of the content and, above all, context of almost a thousand articles written about Islam and Muslims since 2000. The Cardiff researchers discovered that over two-thirds of stories identified Muslims either as a source of problems or as a threat – not just in the context of terrorism but on cultural issues too. In fact, this year for the first time, the volume of stories focusing on cultural differences overtook those related to terrorism. Over the entire period, more than one in four stories contained the rather pernicious idea that Islam is dangerous, backward or irrational.

Broadcast on 7/7. Disgraceful.

298 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:44am

re: #292 NY Nana

The neo-nazi bitch of a mother drew it on her kids...here is the info.

Thanks!

Still, that's no reason to remove a kid.

299 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:53am

re: #286 Kenneth

They were doing cedar planked salmon

That's when you kill the salmon by whacking it with a cedar plank?

300 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #134 Ringo the Gringo

The end of the Soviet Union did nothing to stop the Leftists and Marxists inside the West from continuing ahead with the deconstruction of Western civilization from within.

Sadly, Britain will be the first to fall.

They're the cultural equivalent of those Japanese you hear about, apocraphyal or not, who never heard the war was over and were guarding some tiny atoll 30 years later.

301 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:09:09am
302 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:09:27am

re: #70 'Nam Grunt

Bunny-hop,

I'm throwing some poke ribs on the grill as we speak. ;-)

Yum! Waaaay better than the salad I just ate, I'm sure.

303 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:09:43am

Please don't whack the salmon.

304 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:09:47am

Behead those who eat BBQ

305 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:10:00am

I wonder why "kaffir" is not listed as an example of a "racist" remark.

306 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:10:01am

Oh - and another thing: the demise of Great Britain is vastly exagegrated.
Do not assume that the British government (or its various agencies) is speaking for us, normal folk: thats what they'd like you to think, but it ain't so!

And do take care - stuff like this will happen in America if BO gets elected, make no mistake!

307 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:10:20am

re: #283 'Nam Grunt

I have a visit to Ohio in my future to rightymouse's house, maybe we can have a grill off. LOL

I have friends from Argentina; to them, grilling is a RELIGION. Second only to soccer in their pantheon.

309 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:10:35am
310 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:10:55am
311 bombarafat  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:11:06am

Well England it was nice knowing you.

312 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #272 alegrias
LOL! Yep - the Mayor of Denver said NO FRIED FOODS would be permitted to be served at the DNC or in the immediately surrounding area (sorry, link is lost in the maze of links that I have!).
So - ok, no fried chicken, no french fries, no southern fried Steak (or Texas Fried Steak) no french fried onion rings, nor for that matter "grilled" onions either (grilled is synonymous with "fried" to Dems). Mind you that was the MAYOR of Denver, NOT the DNC.
Effin' lunatics, I swear.

313 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:11:38am

re: #303 Ben Hur

Please don't whack the salmon.

Is this the salmon thread?

314 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:11:46am

re: #308 Catttt

Perhaps the London oil traders could take over the government.

I loved that story. "Sod off, Swampy!" Priceless.

315 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:11:52am

One of my kids said Barack Hussein Obama yesterday.

/hiding in the basement

316 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:19am

re: #306 yma o hyd

Oh - and another thing: the demise of Great Britain is vastly exagegrated.
Do not assume that the British government (or its various agencies) is speaking for us, normal folk: thats what they'd like you to think, but it ain't so!

And do take care - stuff like this will happen in America if BO gets elected, make no mistake!


Thought of you this weekend.

Read in the local rag's Weird But True section that police in Whales were summoned to a residence over a "UFO sighting."

The resident reported a large, bright inanimate object hovering over their house.

Calm in the residence was restored after it was discovered that the "UFO" was THE effen MOON!

317 'Nam Grunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:35am

re: #311 bombarafat

The sane folks in GB must be going insane with what is happening to their once Country!

318 Catttt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:40am

re: #80 Cygnus

I still dislike beets. Does that make me racist against beets?

I was going to say that! I've always hated beets.

As a tot, I loathed Tang. Am I racist against Tang?

319 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:42am

Very young children do not even have an awareness of race. It is the adults who inculcate this awareness into them. And it is the do-gooder bleeding heart adults that cause most of the problems. I know this from personal experience.

Without revealing too many specifics:

I grew up in what would now be called a very "mixed" area -- people all all races living in the same city. And I went to public elementary schools that had no majority ethnicity -- blacks, whites, Asians and Hispanics in near equal measure. No problems.

When I was in nursery school, kindergarten first grade and second grade, most of my friends, now that I look back on it in retrospect, were kids of races other than mine. This was not intentional -- it was just natural. And at the time we didn't think of ourselves as being different races or even being members of "races" to begin with. We were just friends.

And everything was hunky-dory.

But everything started to go wrong in third grade. And it had nothing to do with us kids and what we were doing or thinking -- it was the teachers and administrators. A new "multicultural" policy of identity politics and racial pride swept through the teaching profession and reached our school. Kids were for the first time told to be "proud" of their race, or their culture, etc. But first they had to be made hyper-aware that they were members of a race and members of a culture -- something which was unimportant to us up until then.

Black kids were taught to be proud of their blackness. Asian kids were encouraged to bring family Asian things to show-and-tell. Mexican kids got special side classes in Spanish (and were even taught Spanish if they didn't know it). White kids were encouraged to seek out whatever smidgen of ethnicity they could dig up in their background: Were you Polish? Did you have Native American blood? Italian? Whatever it was, you'd write a report about Poland or Cherokees or Italy or whatever.

All this seemed like such a fantastic idea to the teachers, but it had a terrible unintended connsequence. Suddenly, all us former friends (and similar groups of friends across the school) became hyper-aware of our differences -- an awareness we never had before. And distrust arose. Resentment.

By fourth grade, the school district had already divided along racial lines. It happened within a year -- the teachers totally destroyed the kids' psyches. We went from having a utopia of non-racial-awareness to a playground of racially segregated gangs.

The problem only accelerated when the new curriculum (of course) began to teach the history of oppression, resentment, etc. Slavery, lynching, indentured servitude, Jim Crow -- it was pounded into our heads over and over, as if the teachers were trying to make the races hate each other.

Now, I read about that school district years later, and it's a complete disaster. Test scores have plummeted. Crime has skyrocketed. Racial politics dominate the school board and curriculum. Parents who can afford it pull their kids out of the school and put them in private schools. And the classes and playgrounds have total de facto segregation.

If it had been left up to us kids, there would have been no racism whatsoever, and friendships would have lasted a lifetime.

Now that I'm older and wiser, I've come to realize that the racial dissent in the school was not an unintended side effect, but in fact was the goal of the (then) new policy. I have since read treatises and papers by Gramscian educators who were at that time just taking control of the schools who wanted to set the stage for a race war in this country, to bring about the great socialist revolution. Contentedness and harmony were exactly what they didn't want among us kids. So they set into motion policies to drive us apart, aided by naive but well-meaning young teachers who had no clue what they were doing.

I'm sad to say, the scheme was successful, at my school and across America.

320 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:47am

re: #291 faraway

If you ask for grits you will be sent to re-education camp (public school).

What about pork rinds?

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:48am

re: #303 Ben Hur

Please don't whack the salmon.

I wonder if salmon threaten each other by saying that so-and-so "sleeps with the chickens"?

322 BGB!  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:12:57am

Visit Europe while you still can.

323 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:13:11am

re: #279 experiencedtraveller

One of my kids survived for years on chicken fingers and carrots.

/awaiting the secret police....

When my niece was 3-4 she would only eat white food. Seriously. Pasta with a little parmesan cheese, milk, white cheese.....the list was short but goes on! I shudder to think what the Brits would consider her to be.

324 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:13:16am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

More than disgraceful
The 'School of Journalism' here in Cardiff is as left as can be, so no surprises tehre: you always find what you are looking for - if you are not looking for it, you'll not find it.
Its called having blinkers ... but has anyone met a LLL without them?

325 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:13:41am

Zombie is from Kansas.

326 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:13:53am

re: #318 Catttt

I was going to say that! I've always hated beets.

As a tot, I loathed Tang. Am I racist against Tang?

You must be racist against Astronauts.

327 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:13:54am

The arbitrary and incongruous use of the term "racist" is obviously the left's primary weapon to be used in advancing their agenda. It forces folks to toe the line. In today's environment, nobody want's to be labeled a racist. It's the kiss of death, especially for a public figure. Rush talked about that in that interview that loppy (I think) posted yesterday.

328 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:11am

Like the Soviet (and other communist societies) quest to create the New Man, a creature as absolutely vital for the success of communism as it is absolutely nonexistent, they must subvert human nature and, indeed, pretend it ISN'T human nature.

329 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:16am

re: #315 faraway

One of my kids said Barack Hussein Obama yesterday.

/hiding in the basement

Potty training in progress, I see.

330 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:28am

Logical Next Step: Alert for Boys Chasing Girls

Any boys caught chasing girls will be reprimanded and taught to respect other potential mates (boys, goats, etc.)

331 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:31am

re: #306 yma o hyd

I agreee. The UK has some big problems but they are far from finished.

332 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:36am

Tang?

Can't wait for some shore leave.

333 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:48am

re: #318 Catttt

I was going to say that! I've always hated beets.

As a tot, I loathed Tang. Am I racist against Tang?

You're racist against astronauts.

334 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:14:50am

re: #319 zombie

I was thinking of posting something hypothetically along the lines of your actual story. Great post.

It's indeed ironic that those who most loudly cry "nobody's born a racist!" [which is true] are often busily at work creating future racists.

335 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:16:12am

re: #316 Ben Hur

Yep - that is a true story!
Was in all the local papers, teeheehee.
Thats what happens when local papers keep reporting on UFOs seen over South Wales ...

336 kalvinb  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:16:14am

Maybe we should put these people on Fear Factor and fine them if they don't smile all the way through the process.

After all, some cultures eat cockroaches, monkey brains, etc

It's stuff like this that I know goes on in the US as well in various forms which is making us homeschool our child. The myth that you need public school to learn how to be social is what drives some people away from that. Most social experiences come from extracurricular activities (which homeschooled kids can participate in), not in the classroom itself.

I'd rather pay for dance, karate, piano, etc lessons than subject my kid to public education or public child care.

Unfortunatly most parents don't have that option since both parents work or there is only one parent.

337 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:16:24am

re: #321 Occasional Reader

I wonder if salmon threaten each other by saying that so-and-so "sleeps with the chickens"?

There was a Far Side cartoon years ago which had the Fish Mafia sending their victims surfaceward to 'sleep with the humans'.

338 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:16:36am

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

It could just not have had a good chef. Or a good publicist.

I still say it could be the Next Big Thing. Maybe it just needs to start as a specialty restaurant at the Mohegan Sun resort, or attached to a Native American strip-club chain named Cherokeisters.

The already tried it at the Mohegan casino. A few years back and it didn't last six months. Named something like the longhouse or similar to that. It is now a regular higher end resturant.

339 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:16:36am

re: #318 Catttt

As a tot, I loathed Tang. Am I racist against Tang?

It sounds like you hate Asians. Report to Joy Camp immediately.

(there are other, cruder remarks one could make about having a taste or not for tang, but being the high-minded sort that I am, I won't go there)

340 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:17:05am

It's going to take a massive upheaval in Britain to restore the Mother Country.
The socialists have burrowed deep into the Her Majesty's Government.

And all this talk of British food and no one has yet mentioned Toad in the 'ole?

Bloody world's going to bloody hell I tell you!

341 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:17:15am
342 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #315 faraway
Did the kid use one or more "naughty" words in front of Barack Hussein Obama?
Cause that might not be such a bad thing! LOL!

343 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:07am

re: #308 Catttt

Perhaps the London oil traders could take over the government.

“I’ve never seen anyone less amenable to listening to our point of view.”

LOL! They "storm" the building and then are amazed their had their asses handed to them. What a great story!

344 roguejew  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:18am

The British have given a whole new meaning to "Surrender Monkeys"...They surrendered to their Islamic Overlords faster then the French surrendered to their Nazis during WWII. That has to be an all time speed record for surrendering to one's enemy without so much as a fight. The brits have lost their own will to live...Freely or otherwise

345 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:25am
346 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:27am

re: #317 'Nam Grunt

The sane folks in GB must be going insane with what is happening to their once Country!

We're simmering - we don't do seething.

But, as someone said, beware the anger of a quiet man (or woman, gotta keep up with equality!): thats how we're feeling right now: simmering, and then ...

347 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:34am

re: #342 realwest

Did the kid use one or more "naughty" words in front of Barack Hussein Obama?

No, just the "Hussein" word. We are currently hiding out in an undisclosed location with Dick Cheney and Salmon Rushdie.

348 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:55am

re: #200 'Nam Grunt
It'll probably just piss me off, but do you have a link for that?

349 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:18:58am

re: #335 yma o hyd

Yep - that is a true story!
Was in all the local papers, teeheehee.
Thats what happens when local papers keep reporting on UFOs seen over South Wales ...

I just realized that I wrote "Whales."

350 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:19:08am

re: #340 Colonel Panik

And all this talk of British food and no one has yet mentioned Toad in the 'ole?

Good Lord. That explains it. The Brits are licking toads.

351 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:19:16am

re: #319 zombie

Were you Polish? Did you have Native American blood? Italian? Whatever it was, you'd write a report about Poland or Cherokees or Italy or whatever.

Forget grade school, it turns out that you can write a senior thesis at Princeton using this method.

352 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:19:48am
353 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:19:56am

You'd think by the reactions on this thread, that this report had been announced as going before the house for a first reading.

re: #331 Killgore Trout

I note you've been consistent with that sentiment throughout, Killgore. Thanks for that.

354 Happy Fun Ball  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:06am

Ok, let's see here...

don't like liquorice = racist
don't like chocolate chip cookies = racist
don't like raisins = racist
don't like ripe olives = racist
don't like anchovies = racist
don't like eggplant = racist
don't like Obama = racist
don't like Jews = not racist

So, that about right?

355 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:16am

re: #334 Occasional Reader

I was thinking of posting something hypothetically along the lines of your actual story. Great post.

It's indeed ironic that those who most loudly cry "nobody's born a racist!" [which is true] are often busily at work creating future racists.

Yeah, I lived it personally. My school was almost like a test case to see if "identity politics" could succeed in turning kids into haters. Once it was shown to be possible, the concept was taken nationwide.

I'm convinced now that most of the teachers who are still peddling this noxious garbage remain blissfully unaware they are carrying out a revolutionary policy. It is the educational theorists who know, and they couch their goals in academic verbiage that only their fellow Marxist professors can understand.

356 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:17am

re: #298 MandyManners

Mandy,

I am torn on that issue. She is, IMHO, an unfit parent, and Canada has laws against racism, IIRC, that might apply. To me what she did is a form of child abuse. Teaching hate to kids? And marking a child with a swastika?

What hurts is how many women are unable to bear children, while someone like this bitch can, and uses them to perpetrate the oldest hate..Jew hatred.

/And I imagine that all copies of this cookery book from the UK will be burned now, in a giant bonfire?

357 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:23am

re: #319 zombie
zombie, that was a staggeringly GREAT POST. Really - wish I could give you a thousand updings for that one.
Thank you.

358 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:23am

re: #319 zombie

No doubt, these multiculturalists are the same people who had long ago insisted that there's no such thing as race.

359 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:34am

re: #349 Ben Hur

I just realized that I wrote "Whales."

Cedar-planked whales?

360 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:20:36am

I once had a beagle that I swear was racist. She liked men less, as a general rule, than she liked women, but whenever a black man visited my home, she was livid. Barking, trying to bite him. We couldn't figure it out.

I had had her since she was a puppy, so I doubt it was some history with a specific person mistreating her.

361 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:21:12am

re: #322 BGB!
Why?

362 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:21:32am

re: #319 zombie

I was born in Boston and lived there until I was four at which time my parents moved us out to lily white suburbs on the North Shore. Prior to that I went to pre-school with kids of many different races and origins.

My mom told me this story when I was old enough to get it:

About six months after we had moved, my mom's friend from Boston (who is black) came for a visit. I sat next to her on the couch, took her hand and said "Barbara, you're black." She replied "I always have been."

Of course my mother was mortified.

363 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:21:34am

re: #353 Wishbone

For the record, I don't think the UK is a lost cause, either. But it'll be an uphill fight. Good luck.

364 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:21:43am
365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:01am

Since this about British cooking, does not liking Spotted Dick make one homophobic?

/did someone else beat me to the punch?

366 Kulhwch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:01am

You are farkin' kidding me, right?  Of all the Mohammeden, er, moronic things ...

}:P     [Did IQs drop sharply while I was away? -- Ripley.]

367 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:14am
368 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:25am

re: #327 Cartman Hey my friend - still working on that magnum opus of an e-mail?!

;')

369 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:30am

re: #354 Happy Fun Ball

Ok, let's see here...

don't like liquorice = racist
don't like chocolate chip cookies = racist
don't like raisins = racist
don't like ripe olives = racist
don't like anchovies = racist
don't like eggplant = racist
don't like Obama = racist
don't like Jews = not racist

So, that about right?

don't like Christians = not racist
don't like the American Flag = not racist

370 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:39am

re: #351 Occasional Reader

Forget grade school, it turns out that you can write a senior thesis at Princeton using this method.

Yes, now ALL of education, from nursery school up through the PhD programs, revolves around nothing but this: self-congratulatory identity politics. Michelle Obama is Exhibit #1.

371 Bill Jefferson  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:22:53am

What about the reverse problem: What if they incorrectly identify a child as a non-racist because he likes foreign food? For instance, I have nothing against curry, I just hate East Indians.

Just kidding, I hate curry too.

372 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:01am

"IT'S A MADHOUSE! A MADHOUSE!"

-Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes.

373 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:06am

re: #319 zombie

Great story.

The only problem I have with it though, is that you basically just stated that everything is hunky-dory as long as everyone is blissfully ignorant of history.

The fact is there has been a lot of bad blood spilled along racial lines historically speaking, and I don't think there is anything wrong in being proud of your heritage.

The problems arise when you cannot separate the past from the present. When you take on the grievances of old as being your own. If only there was a way to educate about the historical facts, yet keep children friendly towards each other without letting any venom seep into the relationships.

374 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:21am
375 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:41am

re: #354 Happy Fun Ball

don't like chocolate chip cookies = racist

I don't know about racist, but it certainly is un-American

376 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #319 zombie

Very young children do not even have an awareness of race.

I do distinctly recall as a young child believing that everyone was either 1) Catholic, 2) Jewish, or 3) black (who, I was dimly aware, were usually neither Catholic nor Jewish).

377 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:23:55am

re: #360 Silhouette

I once had a beagle that I swear was racist. She liked men less, as a general rule, than she liked women, but whenever a black man visited my home, she was livid. Barking, trying to bite him. We couldn't figure it out.

Your vet will be next. Your dog will be shown pictures of various races. If it barks at dark skinned folks, you will be arrested, the dogs will be removed from your home, you will be forever listed on racistdogbreeders.com, and will never be able to live within 5 miles of a public school or housing project.

378 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:00am

re: #357 realwest

zombie, that was a staggeringly GREAT POST. Really - wish I could give you a thousand updings for that one.
Thank you.

Charles, could you add +1000 to my comment rating? Thanks. :)

379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #360 Silhouette

I once had a beagle that I swear was racist. She liked men less, as
a general rule, than she liked women, but whenever a black man visited
my home, she was livid. Barking, trying to bite him. We couldn't figure
it out.

I had had her since she was a puppy, so I doubt it was some history with a specific person mistreating her.

I take it you're white? Then the dog would be suspicious of anyone who didn't look like his "pack", someone different looking would be considered a threat. That's why dogs bark at the mailman - the uniform distinguishes them as not being part of the pack.

380 BGB!  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:17am

re: #361 realwest

Cause in the future who will want to go to Eurabia for thier honeymoon?

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:19am
382 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:21am

re: #360 Silhouette

I once had a beagle that I swear was racist. She liked men less, as a general rule, than she liked women, but whenever a black man visited my home, she was livid. Barking, trying to bite him. We couldn't figure it out.

I had had her since she was a puppy, so I doubt it was some history with a specific person mistreating her.


That can happen without you being aware of why it is happening. We had a black guy come to fix our furnace once. Apparently the dog hated the smell of fuel oil and associated it with every other black person who came ot the house after that incident. It took us awhile to figure it out. But he evntually got over it.

383 Archimedes  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:30am

This story makes me want to quote a line from The Planet of the Apes: "It's a mad house! It's a maaaaaaaad house!"

384 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:24:36am

I forgot to mention that my hippie-glam mom moved us out of Boston to avoid busing. Goes to show you how your view of things changes when it applies to your own kids.

385 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:02am

re: #318 Catttt

I was going to say that! I've always hated beets.

As a tot, I loathed Tang. Am I racist against Tang?

Which type? The poon or the tang?

(very sorry)

386 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #362 loppyd

I was born in Boston and lived there until I was four at which time my parents moved us out to lily white suburbs on the North Shore. Prior to that I went to pre-school with kids of many different races and origins.

My mom told me this story when I was old enough to get it:

About six months after we had moved, my mom's friend from Boston (who is black) came for a visit. I sat next to her on the couch, took her hand and said "Barbara, you're black." She replied "I always have been."

Of course my mother was mortified.

Kids like to state facts. My son was sitting on the floor next to a very heavy friend. He stated: "Mrs.________, your leg is fat.

387 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:20am

re: #368 realwest

It's being revised. I took your suggestion to heart, and decided to condense it a little!

Your check is in the mail! ;)

388 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:24am

You've got to be bloody joking! WTF?

389 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:30am

We have a racist toy at home.

We didn't know it when we bought it.

It's a blue octopuss and each tentacle, TENTACLE, has a picture of something, that you squeeze and a voive says the color.

Squeeze the grape, and it says, happily, "Purple!"

Now, EVERY color is spoken it the happiest, upbeat voice you can imagine.

Then you get to the little Teddy bear.

It's says "Brown" as if it's the worst thing on earth.

I shit you not, it is the only color spoken that way.

The normally upbeat high voice turns deep, and whines, "brooown."

I thought it was just me until I brought the devil octopuss to others and they all noticed it.

I will find link and show you the toy.

We're thinking of putting a vid on YouTube.

390 MJBrutus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:38am
Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments

As opposed to the thoughtful utterances typically heard from 3 year olds. Well I would credit most 3 yos with more thought than the pinheads in charge of this silly program.

391 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:25:58am

re: #344 roguejew

The British have given a whole new meaning to "Surrender Monkeys"...They surrendered to their Islamic Overlords faster then the French surrendered to their Nazis during WWII. That has to be an all time speed record for surrendering to one's enemy without so much as a fight. The brits have lost their own will to live...Freely or otherwise

Oi!

Its not 'The British' who surrender - its the effing NuLabour Governemnt and their allies in the MSM!

This is now practically a Stalinist country.
I saw this coming, I never trusted Tony Blair, and now lots and lots of people have woken up to this.
Even people who have voted Labour for decades are not going to vote for them aain.
Even here in the Welsh mining valleys, where it was said they'd vote for a sheep if it was wearing a Labour rosette, they've voted Labour out.

And do tell your friends and family who dream of voting for BO about Great Britain; that exactly this same stuff is going to happen in the USA if he gets into the White House.

392 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:02am

re: #360 Silhouette

I once had a beagle that I swear was racist. She liked men less, as a general rule, than she liked women, but whenever a black man visited my home, she was livid. Barking, trying to bite him. We couldn't figure it out.

I had had her since she was a puppy, so I doubt it was some history with a specific person mistreating her.


King of the Hill had an episode where his old dog bit a black man, and everyone thought therefore that the owner was a racist.
Turns out it was just mad at repairmen.

393 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:21am

re: #389 Ben Hur

TENTACLE,

I read that wrong at first.

LOL

394 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:28am

re: #304 faraway

Behead those who eat BBQ

Or those who mistake grilling for barbeque.

One involves cooking over high heat, the other is low and slow.

395 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:35am

re: #344 roguejew

The British have given a whole new meaning to "Surrender Monkeys"...They surrendered to their Islamic Overlords faster then the French surrendered to their Nazis during WWII. That has to be an all time speed record for surrendering to one's enemy without so much as a fight. The brits have lost their own will to live...Freely or otherwise

That has to be an all time speed record for shooting your mouth off and looking a pratt before reading beyond the article and examining just who is saying what and what real clout they have insofar as making policy is concerned.

Don't you just hate how we Brits utterly fail to fold up and die, just so you can say 'I told you so' ? You're giving a whole new meaning to the word 'tosser'

Incidentally...... A couple of years back, the Tikka Masala was announced to have overtaken all British foods as the 'National Dish'..... So what does that say for kids not liking a curry?

Sod this........ I'm off to Joe Bonamassa gig...... Have fun...... I will.

396 bellamags  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:41am

When has smell become a word for the racist column? Homeless (urban outdoorsmen) people smell - they can be any race.

When describing a group of homeless - those people smell
Is that racist? I think its just keen observation and/or hypothesis.

397 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

and that unapologetic radical Bernardine Dohrn spoke approvingly of the Manson murders at the time. She is now, of course, a "children's advocate," and her unrepentant husband is teaching "education" to a new generation of teachers.

I literally shuddered while reading this.

398 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:45am

re: #349 Ben Hur

I just realized that I wrote "Whales."

Easy to do - wasn't going to draw attention to it!

399 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:26:58am
400 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #393 loppyd

I read that wrong at first.

LOL


That's why I wrote it twice.

401 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:27:25am

re: #319 zombie

I have since read treatises and papers by Gramscian educators who were at that time just taking control of the schools who wanted to set the stage for a race war in this country, to bring about the great socialist revolution.

That was Charles Manson's motivation, as well.

402 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:27:35am

re: #380 BGB! Respectfully, who the hell would want to go there now?

403 eaglewingz08  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:27:37am

This is a laugh riot. I wonder about the nursery school teacher who gives their children ham and cheese with mayo sandwiches at lunch time only little Abdul and Fatima turn up their noses on it. Will the food police haul their little arses into court for bigotry and prejudice.
Or suppose little Rakhanatan a Hindu turns up his nose at a Big Mac (not mac & cheese) or a whopper, are the food police going to haul him into Court? To ask that question is to answer it.
But suppose little Shmuel turns up his nose at goat curry (non kosher), will he be hauled to the food police court? You betcha.

404 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:14am

re: #389 Ben Hur

I think we just bought that toy. Does it have a language switch for french and spanish as well?
We mostly just use the head for the tunes.

405 yesandno  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:55am

re: #319 zombie

You have hit the nail on it's ugly head once again.

The problem is now getting Pandora back into the box, because HOPE and change won't do the job.

406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:56am

re: #319 zombie

Fourth grade was an eye opener for me as well. I remember having a meeting with one of the school counselors and my parents asking why I, a young white boy, didn't want to sing "Young Gifted and Black" in the mandatory racial education assembly. My answer was "I'm not black." The counselor was dumbstruck. My parents backed me up and we were labeled as troublemakers for the rest of my time there,

407 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:57am

re: #380 BGB!

Cause in the future who will want to go to Eurabia for thier honeymoon?

BGB? Is this the BGB or an impostor? LOL

408 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:59am
409 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:28:59am

re: #389 Ben Hur

Octopus with tentacles that is oppressing people of color? It must be a Zionist!

/

410 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:29:23am

re: #358 abolitionist

No doubt, these multiculturalists are the same people who had long ago insisted that there's no such thing as race.

Yes, the very same ones. Their two-part thesis is:

1. Race doesn't exist.
2. Your race is better than every other race!

You can see why kids all go insane.

411 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:29:32am

re: #404 nikis-knight

I think we just bought that toy. Does it have a language switch for french and spanish as well?
We mostly just use the head for the tunes.

THAT'S IT!

Check it out and tell me what you think.

Press brown last.

412 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:29:40am

re: #400 Ben Hur

That's why I wrote it twice.

You are such a smart barometer sometimes.

413 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:29:45am

As for raceless children, I offer this anecdote: A couple, who are white, adopted a son, who is black. A child I know, who is school age and not a toddler or baby by any means, was so surprised when he found out that the son was adopted. It had never occured to him.

They don't see race unless we tell them. To him, a white couple giving birth to a black child was just as usual as brown-headed people having a red-headed child, or two short people having a tall child.

414 Catttt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:30:01am

re: #319 zombie

I think I'm lucky I grew up both prior to all that and in a small town that had no moonbat agendas. My town, while small, had a number of citizens of Mexican and Native American background, or mixed. We never had a lick of problems. Oddly enough, we judged our peers by the content of their characters all through school. There were of course still people with prejudices - there always are. However, the vast majority of people my age were cool with it.

415 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:30:10am
416 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:30:35am

re: #412 loppyd

You are such a smart barometer sometimes.


Smart enough to know my audience!

417 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:30:44am

re: #413 Silhouette

As for raceless children, I offer this anecdote: A couple, who are
white, adopted a son, who is black. A child I know, who is school age
and not a toddler or baby by any means, was so surprised when he found
out that the son was adopted. It had never occured to him.

They
don't see race unless we tell them. To him, a white couple giving birth
to a black child was just as usual as brown-headed people having a
red-headed child, or two short people having a tall child.

"You mean I'm gonna stay this color?!?"
/Steve Martin in The Jerk

418 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:31:05am

I got nothing against their food. Honest.

It's the flying planes into office buildings, beheading school children, and bombing buses & subways that I have a problem with.

419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:31:17am

re: #385 Hard Right

Which type? The poon or the tang?

(very sorry)

What about Pootie Tang?

420 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:32:32am

re: #413 Silhouette

A child I know, who is school age and not a toddler or baby by any means, was so surprised when he found out that the son was adopted. It had never occured to him.

"I was born a poor, black child..."

421 Kulhwch  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:32:37am

I do not like Shiite Shit Or Spam
I do not like it Uncle Sam-I-Am
I do not like it on a goat
I do not like it with a shoat
I do not like it from the mosque
I do not like it from the Basque
I do not like it with a bomb
I do not like it in a tomb
I do not like it if halal
I do not like it with a burkaed doll
I do not like it with jihad
I do not like it from Islamobad
I do not like it in any form
Don't try to feed me, I'll just squirm
I do not like Shiite Shit Or Spam
I do not like it Uncle Sam-I-Am

}:)     [Everyone, sing along!]

422 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:32:58am
423 loppyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:33:22am

re: #416 Ben Hur

Smart enough to know my audience!

Touché! :~)

424 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey,

Think of it: all evil would have been thwarted if we coulld have just put Pandora in the box!

425 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:33:49am

Just in case this hasn't been discussed up-thread, IMHO this is not so much an effort to root out racist behavior on the part of the children, as it is an effort to find racist attitudes, speech, and behavior on the part of the parents, as reflected in the words and attitudes of the children. Classic leftist tactic, to have the children spy on the parents.

426 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:33:51am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, Pandora had the box, and opened the box. She was never in the box.

Actually, this sounds like the UK law enforcement solution to the Pandora's Box problem.

427 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:33:53am

re: #389 Ben Hur

I once had a camera with a voice that spoke if there were problems... eg. "out of film", "adjust focus", and hilariously, "use frash". The camera was made in Japan, of course.

428 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:04am

This nonsense is going to give the phrase "Food Court" a whole new meaning.

429 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:16am

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey,

No fair! You made me laugh!

430 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:23am
431 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:25am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, Pandora had the box, and opened the box. She was never in the box.


/no.. I had the box..pandora ripped me off.

432 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:28am

re: #373 rlevitin

Great story.

The only problem I have with it though, is that you basically just stated that everything is hunky-dory as long as everyone is blissfully ignorant of history.

The fact is there has been a lot of bad blood spilled along racial lines historically speaking, and I don't think there is anything wrong in being proud of your heritage.

The problems arise when you cannot separate the past from the present. When you take on the grievances of old as being your own. If only there was a way to educate about the historical facts, yet keep children friendly towards each other without letting any venom seep into the relationships.

True. But kids shouldn't be taught to "own" the injustices of the past (as they are currently taught). Teach the history as history. And don't just focus on the bad parts (as is now done). Kids are now taught to take the injustices of the past personally, and to blame any other kids in the class who resemble the past villains.

433 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:34am
434 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:44am

re: #417 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You and I really need to get away from the t.v. once in a while...

435 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:47am

re: #319 zombie

and god forbid that we get a first lady who swallowed that bs hook line and sinker.
great post.

436 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:52am

re: #395 Wishbone

Sorry you feel that way. I can't speak for everyone, but I would guess that most here would absolutely love to see GB triumph over this rot. I think many here are perceptive enough to realize that it is the lunatic fringe that is spoiling it for the many. Hell, it's happening right here in America, just not at as nearly an alarming rate. Also, please remember that a lot of this has been tongue-in-cheek humor. Maybe not the best, but it is what it is.

437 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:34:54am

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I pass on the sheep's eyes.

438 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:35:16am

Look, just because a kid doesn't like to race doesn't mean you should make fun of him.

What?

439 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:35:27am

re: #424 Iron Fist

,

Think of it: all evil would have been thwarted if we coulld have just put Pandora in the box!

But then what would BHO campaign on?

Wait... there has to be a hilarious political cartoon there... Barak as Pandora, saying "We need hope!" and opening it, where all his stupid ideas come out.

440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:35:46am

re: #437 Kenneth

OK, I pass on the sheep's eyes.

RACIST!

441 _remembertonyc  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:36:30am

racist babies?
I got your racist babies right here!

442 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:36:33am

re: #427 Kenneth

I once had a camera with a voice that spoke if there were problems... eg. "out of film", "adjust focus", and hilariously, "use frash". The camera was made in Japan, of course.

Engrish!

443 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:36:45am
444 opinionated  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:36:46am

So is it anti-Semitic for a baby to reject Gefilte Fish?

445 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:36:56am

I always thought Pandora's Box was a pr0n flick.

446 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:37:00am

re: #391 yma o hyd

I see that New Labour is tanking, thankfully. And that PM Brown, who IMHO makes Blair almost look good, is the least popular PM in history?

Cherie Blair seems to have been the model for Michelle Obama...or the Wicked Witch of the North...whoops, that would be Shrillary.

447 Temujin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:37:04am

Let me see if I have this straight.

These budding racists ... was it just the food thing, or were there other signs ?

Did they say things that were critical of Barack Obama, for instance ?

/

448 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #432 zombie

True. But kids shouldn't be taught to "own" the injustices of the past (as they are currently taught). Teach the history as history. And don't just focus on the bad parts (as is now done). Kids are now taught to take the injustices of the past personally, and to blame any other kids in the class who resemble the past villains.

Exactly my point. I agreed with your original comment especially in the way everything is taught. But I think it would be wrong not to teach it at all. Just like you said, "Teach the history as history." and avoid having the past becoming the present.

449 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:37:21am
450 roguejew  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:37:50am

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?

451 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:38:16am

re: #449 buzzsawmonkey

It depends on whether it is fresh

Gefilte sushi?

452 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:38:36am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?

I'd say at the least you're a rogue jew.

453 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:38:37am
454 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:38:50am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?

No, just a self-hating Jew.

455 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:38:57am

re: #418 Kenneth

I got nothing against their food. Honest.

It's the flying planes into office buildings, beheading school children, and bombing buses & subways that I have a problem with.

It IS ironic that the culture which so adores death, also has the best cuisine for a healthy lifestyle.

Let's have an ID thread on this one - does God have a sense of irony or does He play dice with the world!

456 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:13am

re: #391 yma o hyd


Even here in the Welsh mining valleys, where it was said they'd vote for a sheep if it was wearing a Labour rosette, they've voted Labour out.

LOL!

457 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:17am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?


No.

It makes you Morrocan.

458 melinwy  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:23am

Everyone have a good day.
Everyones wit and wisdom is a great start to my day....thanks everyone!

459 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:28am

re: #436 Cartman

Absolutely right.

Mind - dissing Spotted Dick, that was perhaps a bit much?

(And nobody has said anything about Jam Roly Poly, sigh ...)

460 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:31am

re: #450 roguejew

YES.. as per British.... because you are going against orthopoxy, and are not submissive...

461 opnion  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:39:36am

Hold it! I like pork, slurp! Ribs, bacon, chops. pulled pork, you name it.
Those ROP'ers will not eat pork. My feelings are crushed. Arrest them for racism.

462 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

that unapologetic radical Bernardine Dohrn spoke approvingly of the Manson murders at the time. She is now, of course, a "children's advocate," and her unrepentant husband is teaching "education" to a new generation of teachers.

Yup. And Williams Ayers is just the tip of the iceberg. If people in this country had the slightest clue what goes on behind the scenes in educational theory in this country, there'd be a revolution all right -- but not the kid of revolution Dohrn and Ayers were thinking of.

I would add that the late Ralph Ellison, author of "Invisible Man" (on the short list of Great American Novels of the 20th century), very clearly set forth the cynicism and manipulation of the Left where race is concerned. The bulk of the novel details the hero's involvement with "the Brotherhood" (i.e., the Communist Party), and how it raises expectations in the black community for the purpose of dashing them, and cynically encouraging a race riot. Ellison wrote the novel when the civil rights movement was in its infancy. If you have not read it, or have not read it recently, I urge you to do so.

I've read it. Very perceptive.

463 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?

No, just a self-hating Jew.

/ or a stand-up comic
//running for cover

464 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:40:46am
orthopoxy

Is that some sort of conservative Jewish adhesive?

465 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:41:25am

The UK is not doomed, but Labour probably is. It has taken a few years in power for their grass-roots bureaucracy in particular to show their true (and truly demented) colors, that's all.
Tony Blair and the posturings of Nu-Labour will ultimately gain them nothing but the bum's rush into the dustbin of history.

466 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:41:37am

re: #391 yma o hyd

Even here in the Welsh mining valleys, where it was said they'd vote for a sheep if it was wearing a Labour rosette

Sounds like our labor and teacher's unions here in The States, with the Dems.

467 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Is that some sort of conservative Jewish adhesive?


It's the bandage used post-brit.

468 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #356 NY Nana

Mandy,

I am torn on that issue. She is, IMHO, an unfit parent, and Canada has laws against racism, IIRC, that might apply. To me what she did is a form of child abuse. Teaching hate to kids? And marking a child with a swastika?

What hurts is how many women are unable to bear children, while someone like this bitch can, and uses them to perpetrate the oldest hate..Jew hatred.

/And I imagine that all copies of this cookery book from the UK will be burned now, in a giant bonfire?

I have a hard time with any government dictating what people can believe.

469 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:42:05am

What a crazy world. In Pakistan, they killed, killed, 40 people when they blew up the Indian embassay. Yet THAT will never be called racism or bigotry. A hate of "the other" will never be considered the cause.

But not liking the smell of spicy food, why those toddlers should be ashamed.

470 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:42:28am

re: #417 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"You mean I'm gonna stay this color?!?"
/Steve Martin in The Jerk

My brother was sooooo mad the day he found out he would always be younger than I am. He would never catch up, let alone be older.

471 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:42:28am

This is the kind of government program which will create racists as a reaction to it.

472 Pshawalaw  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:42:36am

re: #354 Happy Fun Ball

don't like Jews = not racist

They aren't making them eat Jews too are they?/ That is just wrong, thye must be angling to have their likeness displayed in Madamme Tousseau's.

473 ackomanyuki  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:42:52am

My four year old called Will Smith "the chocolate man" while watching a flick the other evening. I blame Ray Nagin.

474 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:43:04am

re: #399 taxfreekiller

zombie

the local white guys sat on me when I was in the first grade because they did not like halfbreeds they said, the older ones understood, but
the kids my age, the other first graders and such had no idea what a halfbreed was, so they just sat and watched, years later they told me
they did not understand what the older guys were saying or why they were doing it, still yet they just sat there and it took me to 7th grade to be able to win enough fights to make it stop....

the ones who did it were like 7th and 8th graders egged on by the Jr's and Sr's on the back of the bus

Interesting. Similar story to mine, but a completely different setting!

475 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:43:17am

I dislike curries, frogs legs and pizza, so does that make me a bigoted hater of Indians, the French and the Italians?

476 jill e  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:43:48am

So anyone with a peanut allergy, hates Jimmy Carter?

477 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:43:52am

re: #473 ackomanyuki

You have "yuk" in your nic.

Racist...

478 Athos  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:44:02am

re: #370 zombie

Cultural 'diversity' courses are now requirements in many University's along with basic english and mathematical skills. As you clearly articulate in #319, the purpose is to create division rather than unity....and it is not difficult to find examples of academics in their writings who openly desire social conflict to provide the spark for their desired marxist revolution (example - No One is Illegal which openly makes the call in the final chapter).

479 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:44:19am

I will have to stop ordering "Black Bush" Irish Liquor. Off with my head.

480 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:44:22am

OT: stock market freefall continues. How low will it go?

481 opinionated  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:44:42am

re: #476 jill e

So anyone with a peanut allergy, hates Jimmy Carter?

Anyone with good taste hates Jimmy Carter.

482 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:44:51am

re: #475 SpiritOf1683,

It's OK to hate the French.

483 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:00am

re: #480 Killgore Trout

OT: stock market freefall continues. How low will it go?

Thanks KT.

/Trying not to look...

484 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:11am

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

OT: "Pandora" would be a good ring name for a lady boxer.

But it would give a whole new meaning to the term, "Pandora's Box".

485 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:32am

re: #397 Occasional Reader Gee I don't know why you'd "shudder" O.R., after all she and her husband Billy Ayers are such CLOSE friends of Obama*, why would you react that way?
/heavy

*unless he's now thrown them under the bus too.
You know that bus isn't gonna run anymore with so many bodies under it; wonder how the Obamessiah is gonna get to Denver Stadium to give his acceptance speech?

486 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:38am

Market is going lower: big selloff in racist food brands

487 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:38am
488 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:45:56am
489 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:04am

re: #480 Killgore Trout

OT: stock market freefall continues. How low will it go?

My broker still insists it's a major correction. I think he fears for his job as much as I do for my investments.

490 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:06am

re: #473 ackomanyuki

My four year old called Will Smith "the chocolate man" while watching a flick the other evening. I blame Ray Nagin.

I remember when my nephew was about 2 years old, and knew basically his immediate family and what he saw on television, whenever he would see 3 or more black men while we were driving down the street, he's brighten immediately and say "bakkitball!".
(He watched a lot of NBA growing up.)

(Note to UK "educators": That isn't racism, something of which a 2 year old is literally incapable)

491 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:16am

And I don't like chilli con carne either.

/ waits for the accusations of being a Mexican-hater

492 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #483 experiencedtraveller

Yeah, this is getting painful.

493 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:18am

re: #446 NY Nana

Yes, the days of this Governemnt are numbered indeed.
The outrage of today was tha Gordon Brown blamed British families for the rise in food prices - because they throw so much away ...!
Heh - standard reply was, he can blame us once he stops wasting our taxes ...

Lots of little things don't make it across the Atlantic, but there are signs which must trouble the government greatly.
The Chief Constables of the various Police Forces are political appointments, thus they are Labout-leaning, at the very least.
Now a few of them have spoken out against the bureaucratic nightmare created by Labour - and are refusing to deal with it. Straws in teh wind, getting more and more numerous.

Oh - and Michelle is Cherie's sister, no doubt about it, Hillary hasn't got a clue compared to those two!
But then, LLL Laydeez, dripping with jewels, are veeery good at preaching water while drinking wine ...

494 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:20am
495 Temujin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #481 opinionated

Anyone with good taste hates Jimmy Carter.

Anyone with a brain ...

496 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #457 Ben Hur

Kapara!

497 greenmamba  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:28am

I cured one of my kids of refusing her food by giving her curry at 18 months. Nonetheless, she's mentioned that there's a large gang of supremacist Somalis at her school and this no doubt means she is a racist despite my efforts.

Also, the whole thing is antisemitic unless the kids are also forced to eat gefilte fish. I hope the Jewish Vestibule acts on this.

498 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:46:47am

re: #482 Iron Fist

,

It's OK to hate the French.

One of Al Bundy's 10 Commandments.

499 opnion  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:47:02am

Celebrate diversity! if you notice any differences , you are a racist pig!

500 loveguru  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:47:03am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

its the difference between Islam and other religion...

Islam does not have orthodoxy.... infact they even don't have the word orthodoxy in whole arabic.....

Where we deal with religions, which have their respective doctrines.... and the game is around those doctrines and colliding ideas.... Islam deals with behavior, and this is what make it a perfect religion for dictator's, communist and leftist...

anways... the british suggestion to tag children saying yuk is also a way to control behavior... had ever your dog complained about food? Dog don't know what is freedom of expression, hunting that basic of freedom to express how one likes/dislikes food from childhood... can you imagine the effect on the society ?

501 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:47:13am

re: #489 Cartman

My broker is broker than me.

502 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #475 SpiritOf1683

I dislike curries, frogs legs and pizza, so does that make me a bigoted hater of Indians, the French and the Italians?

And if anybody tried to serve you curried frog leg pizza, your head would explode.

503 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fourth grade was an eye opener for me as well. I remember having a meeting with one of the school counselors and my parents asking why I, a young white boy, didn't want to sing "Young Gifted and Black" in the mandatory racial education assembly. My answer was "I'm not black." The counselor was dumbstruck. My parents backed me up and we were labeled as troublemakers for the rest of my time there,

!?!?!?!?!?! Where was "there"? Because I've heard of other schools that had to sing that exact same song! Either it was a widespread policy of having entire (mixed) schools singing "Young, Gifted and Black," or we have friends-of-friends in common.

504 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:48:03am

re: #469 Silhouette

What a crazy world. In Pakistan, they killed, killed, 40 people when they blew up the Indian embassay. Yet THAT will never be called racism or bigotry. A hate of "the other" will never be considered the cause.

But not liking the smell of spicy food, why those toddlers should be ashamed.

I once had a black man tell me that it was not possible for black people to be racist since they were in the minority. Only people in the majority can be racist. I was speechless.

505 Pshawalaw  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:48:39am

If you hate B___ S___ does that make you racist against the DNC?

506 Carolyn  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:06am

If freedom of thought or expression raises it's ugly head, report it immediately!
/fascism

507 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:25am

re: #482 Iron Fist

,

It's OK to hate the French.

Reminds me of something a British activist said back in the 80s when there was a huge outcry against the construction of the Channel Tunnel.
Asked if he and his anti-Chunnel group were "anti-French," he said, "No, we are not. We admire French art, French food, French architecture and French culture. It's just the damned French people we hate."
In a list of objections to the Chunnel, the same group complained that the tunnel would "allow armed French police and French rats onto British soil."

508 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:39am

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about Pootie Tang?

Totally forgot about Pootie! All I can say is, Yuck! ooops...

509 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:39am

re: #339 Occasional Reader

Report to Joy Camp immediately.

LOL.

510 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:45am

re: #395 Wishbone

Actually, Wishbone, what we'd like is for the British NOT to curl up and die. Unfortunately, hearing about stuff like this is. . .. daunting, to say the least. These "educators" are messing up the heads of these poor kids, your future generations.

Liking, or not liking, curry, isn't the point here.

Well, go on and have fun. While you still can.

511 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:53am

Does this mean that the anti-frying Dems are "racist" against Southerners? Actually, we already knew that.

512 Catttt  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:49:55am

re: #424 Iron Fist

,

Think of it: all evil would have been thwarted if we coulld have just put Pandora in the box!

And of course there would be no women (she was the prototype). :D

513 Athos  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:01am

re: #487 buzzsawmonkey

Division, but with uniformity of thought--for "diversity" does not tolerate dissension from its noxious pieties.


Well said. Although, I would call it mandated conformity as opposed to unity of thought as there is a ready punishment to be inflicted if one does not conform to the defined viewpoint.

514 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:01am
515 pbird  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:08am

re: #72 pat

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State. It has become a bizarre tyranny, where authorities would rather arrest the victims than the criminals. There seems to be a huge disconnect between the electorate and the politicians, between the Judiciary and the citizens. This seems to be happening in Democracies throughout the Western world. The electorate for whatever reason, votes in candidates that do not reflect national opinion or values.

I do know that you can't get cream for your coffee, except in a Starbucks. You have to buy it yourself in the grocery. Coffee just isn't right with low-fat milk.

516 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:10am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Is that some sort of conservative Jewish adhesive?

It's a disease of Orthodox Jews and Greek Orthodox Christians.

517 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:11am

re: #476 jill e

So anyone with a peanut allergy, hates Jimmy Carter?

You don't need a peanut allergy to hate Jimmy Carter. Spending 444 days in Iran (or 444 days of living under Carter himself) is plenty enough.

518 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:16am

re: #501 Killgore Trout

My broker is broker than me.

I keep tellin' him I'm gonna bail, but he's managed to keep me from going completely down the tubes (along with some of my "suggestions") so I'll let it ride for a little while longer.

519 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:22am

re: #504 Ford_Prefect

I once had a black man tell me that it was not possible for black people to be racist since they were in the minority. Only people in the majority can be racist. I was speechless.

I had a blonde, white WASP from a wealthy family (who was an investment banker) tell me the same thing. Naturally she had "learned" this at Smith College (if memory serves).

520 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:24am

What if my kid doesn't like Spotted Dick pudding?

521 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:40am

re: #496 WriterMom

Kapara!


That actually was written with you in mind!

522 gop_patriot  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:46am

re: #189 bellamags

My brother told me about that, but I hadn't seen it. It did make me cry! :) Thanks for sharing.

523 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:50:54am

re: #436 Cartman

It's either laugh at this stuff, or go crazy. I prefer to laugh.

524 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:51:06am

re: #439 nikis-knight
"Barak as Pandora, saying "We need hope!" and opening it, where all his stupid ideas come out."
Uh, WHAT ideas?

525 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:51:16am

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

I remember having a meeting with one of the school counselors and my parents asking why I, a young white boy, didn't want to sing "Young Gifted and Black" in the mandatory racial education assembly.

That's a song? Sounds like a pr0n flick title.

526 Temujin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:51:29am

re: #469 Silhouette

But not liking the smell of spicy food, why those toddlers should be ashamed.

The Satanic Spices

527 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:51:40am

My wife and I were listening to NPR (/sigh) this morning, which reported the Afghan bombing. I dryly exclaimed "Allahu Akhbar!" after the story, which sent my left-leaning wife spewing at me in rage...

re: #469 Silhouette

What a crazy world. In Pakistan, they killed, killed, 40 people when they blew up the Indian embassay. Yet THAT will never be called racism or bigotry. A hate of "the other" will never be considered the cause.

But not liking the smell of spicy food, why those toddlers should be ashamed.

528 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:04am

Alert to Teachers and Administrators: Watch out for children that don't like the colors pink and purple.

529 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:10am

Remember, gang: We are one media election coup away from this craziness here in the States.

530 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:14am

re: #525 Dirk Diggler

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

That's a song? Sounds like a pr0n flick title.

It later became sort of an anthem in schools. It was a hit song in the '70s, I think.

531 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #525 Dirk Diggler

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),


That's a song? Sounds like a pr0n flick title.

The sequel was good, too: Young, Gifted and Black Meets Pandora's Box

532 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:36am

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In "Don't Mess With the Zohan" that's a running gag. Putang.

533 godfrey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:44am

re: #519 Occasional Reader

The "thinking" behind that is that only whites have "power" and are "the only ones who can enforce their prejudices."

*rolls eyes*

This is called "critical thinking."

534 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:49am

re: #510 TalkinKamel

{KAMEL}

535 zmdavid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:52:56am

re: #504 Ford_Prefect

I once had a black man tell me that it was not possible for black people to be racist since they were in the minority. Only people in the majority can be racist. I was speechless.

That's actually a fairly common talking point (that doesn't make it any less stupid).

536 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:53:26am

re: #515 pbird

I do know that you can't get cream for your coffee, except in a Starbucks. You have to buy it yourself in the grocery. Coffee just isn't right with low-fat milk.

My dad calls low-fat milk "cow pee". He was raised on a farm and is used to cream.

537 nacazo  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:53:37am

I would demand to have pork in the menu. Any child not liking it is racist. Will they also have camel urine? That delectable Bedouin delicacy drink?

As long as their parents don't call me the offensive "kuffar"... all should be good

538 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:53:41am

re: #530 zombie

I think I need a song: "Gifted White Jewish Ashkenazi Princess".

539 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:53:49am

re: #535 zmdavid

That's actually a fairly common talking point (that doesn't make it any less stupid).

Trinity Church First Commandment

540 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #536 Hard Right

COW PEE!

LOLOL

541 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:54:23am

That's taught as unquestionable fact on college campuses.

re: #504 Ford_Prefect

I once had a black man tell me that it was not possible for black people to be racist since they were in the minority. Only people in the majority can be racist. I was speechless.

542 Render  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:54:24am

re: #474 zombie

Mine too.

STILL,
R

543 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:54:31am

Young, Gifted and Black

"To Be Young, Gifted and Black" is a song by Nina Simone with lyrics by Weldon Irvine. It was written in memory of Simone's late friend Lorraine Hansberry, author of the play Raisin in the Sun. [1] The song was originally recorded by Simone for her 1970 album Black Gold; released as a single, it became a Top Ten R&B hit and a Civil Rights anthem. Notable cover versions of the song were recorded by Donny Hathaway (on his 1970 album Everything Is Everything), Aretha Franklin (on her 1972 album Young, Gifted and Black) and Bob & Marcia (whose 1970 recording reached number 5 in the UK charts).
Elton John recorded a version of "To Be Young, Gifted and Black" prior to his solo success. Intended to be released as a low budget sound-alike version of the original, it was later reissued on the compilation album Covers as Sung by Elton John.

I've heard the "Bob and Marcia" (i.e. Marley) reggae version.

544 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:54:51am

re: #335 yma o hyd

Yep - that is a true story!
Was in all the local papers, teeheehee.
Thats what happens when local papers keep reporting on UFOs seen over South Wales ...

And talking of Wales, I hate Welsh rarebit.

/waits for the 3am knock on the door

545 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:55:00am

re: #529 Shiplord Kirel,

And the Media are already acting as if the Obamessiah were elected. I'm hoping that the media spin so badly for him that he ignores/doesn't see something big that will eat up his whole campaign.

Hope!

546 Happy Fun Ball  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:55:14am

re: #520 faraway

They'd probably call him a homophobe.

547 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:55:24am

re: #529 Shiplord Kirel

Remember, gang: We are one media election coup away from this craziness here in the States.


That is true!

Hopefully, if you collect reports about idiocies like this one, and tell your BO-loving friends that thats the way things will be, they might start changing their minds ...

548 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:55:27am

re: #480 Killgore Trout

OT: stock market freefall continues. How low will it go?


Must. Not. Look. At. 401K statement.....

549 Carolyn  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:55:51am

re: #469 Silhouette

I read an AP article this morning with the headline," Afghans Killed on the Way to Wedding" (damn, I hope I don't get a bill for quoting that crap) When we kill jihadists, they are always going to weddings!

550 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:08am

I hate myself, since I refuse to eat Haggis. Will they lock me up for self-hate?

551 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:09am

re: #521 Ben Hur

Husband watched this movie about Eyal Golan last night-he was weeping...have you seen it? It's on You Tube in six parts...

552 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:25am

re: #524 realwest

"Barak as Pandora, saying "We need hope!" and opening it, where all his stupid ideas come out."
Uh, WHAT ideas?

Abandoning our ally Iraq, meeting with our enemy Iran while giving them the upper hand, increasing taxes whether or not it increases revenue, support for any and every version of abortion, removing guns from citizens, etc.
Basically more dead people, I guess. Not surprising, as they are the one voting block the Dem's have a monopoly on.

(I didn't say there were any good or new ideas, mind you.)

553 Render  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:42am

The National Children’s Bureau meet Nick Griffith. He has kids.

Nick Griffith meet the National Children’s Bureau. They're talking about you.

INTRODUCING,
R

554 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:44am

re: #548 Russkilitlover,

I'm planning on dying for retirement. It's so much more economical :-)

555 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:56:45am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

In a downturn you can use the technique of dollar cost averaging to lower your cost basis. Although some call that throwing good money after bad..

556 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:04am
Young, Gifted and Black...it was later reissued on the compilation album Covers as Sung by Elton John.

Who is none of those things....

557 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #437 Kenneth

Kenneth-are you in town this summer...thinking of having a BBQ at my place...

558 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #503 zombie

!?!?!?!?!?! Where was "there"? Because I've heard of other schools that had to sing that exact same song! Either it was a widespread policy of having entire (mixed) schools singing "Young, Gifted and Black," or we have friends-of-friends in common.

Pasadena Unified School district in the early 80s

559 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:06am

re: #501 Killgore Trout
What? Didn't your broker tell you that now is a great time to be buying valuable stocks at bargain basement prices?!

560 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:27am

re: #547 yma o hyd

That is true!

Hopefully, if you collect reports about idiocies like this one, and tell your BO-loving friends that thats the way things will be, they might start changing their minds ...

No, they'll just call you a racist using scare-tactics. Even your friends. Such is the power of the Obamessiah.

(i.e. we are fucked)

561 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:40am

re: #468 MandyManners

If I could just jump in here -- from what I've been reading and seeing via media reports, the mother didn't actually commit a crime. Morally, she acted in a hideous and reprehensible fashion (it's inexcusable.) But, it's not criminal...So (as some have argued) it boils down to the State taking away children due to the parents holding reprehensible beliefs...(and that, imo, is getting far too into an Orwellian world...or being held accountable for thoughts...can see the same thing occurring with Canada's so-called "human rights" Tribunals...just too much State intervention).

562 godfrey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:52am

Maybe the UK can hire some of those Human Rights Council jackasses to interrogate British infants.

563 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:57:58am

re: #544 SpiritOf1683

And talking of Wales, I hate Welsh rarebit.

/waits for the 3am knock on the door

Heh - you say that in Wales, and they'll drag you to a training pitch and make you hold the tackle bags, so the lads can practice tackling ...

564 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:58:24am

re: #562 godfrey

Maybe the UK can hire some of those Human Rights Council jackasses to interrogate British infants.

"Now, what were your intentions when you said 'yuk'?"

565 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:58:49am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I h ate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semitewhitefish?

Fixed. And yes it does.

566 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:59:10am

re: #551 WriterMom

Husband watched this movie about Eyal Golan last night-he was weeping...have you seen it? It's on You Tube in six parts...


Must check it out.

I'm a big Zohar Argov fan.

567 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:59:25am

re: #550 Lizard by the Bay

I hate myself, since I refuse to eat Haggis. Will they lock me up for self-hate?

Naw - they'll make you learn playing the bagpipes ... outdoors, in the howling gales of the Scottish Highlands, teeheehee!

568 yesandno  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:59:49am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, Pandora had the box, and opened the box. She was never in the box.

Ah, yes....you are correct. My bad.

But wasn't HOPE still remaining in the box when all the other evil stuff (maybe even CHANGE) left the box in their attempts to ruin the world?

569 godfrey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:59:54am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

Their intentions don't matter. Clearly, a five-year-old white British infant is exerting power on behalf of a virulent prejudice. Stamp it out! Stamp it! Stomp stomp stomp!

There, all better.

It's like a cartoon, OR. What are they drinking?

570 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:00:10am

re: #562 godfrey Geez, I sure hope they don't resort to waterboarding the tykes.

571 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:00:15am

re: #298 MandyManners

I agree with you. Any idiot can have a baby, and it is just plain STUPID to draw things on your kid and expect there not to be repercussions-especially a swastika forchrisssssake. But STUPID is not illegal. And nobody has the right to take children away from their parents for political reasons.

572 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:01:05am

re: #554 Iron Fist

LOL!

(I've asked my husband, Boris the Baktrian Kamel, to toss me out a window before ever, EVER, sending me to some "Assisted Care" facility."

573 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:01:08am

re: #561 J.S.

You are correct-there was no abuse or neglect alleged. The mother has apparently had ongoing problems in her relationship with the father, but this is a politically motivated seizure of children.

574 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:01:13am

Children are not colour-blind.

Of course children see the physical differences in the people around them. The important thing is what we teach them about those differences.

My husband, daughter and I are white.

When my daughter was young, she had a doll house with a "family". She told me a few times that she wanted a family "with dark skin", too. I couldn't find one.

She also told me she wanted a baby doll with dark skin; that was easier to find.

Her best friends in elementary school were Asian. In Grade One or so, my daughter told me, "I wish I was beautiful like ______" (a Chinese girl).

My daughter is the stereotypical beauty: blonde, fair, blue-eyed, etc., but she loved her friend and wanted to look like her. I told her, "Everyone has their own beauty. ______ is beautiful, you are beautiful," etc.

As for a toddler's dislike of any food, it is due, in large part, to their highly sensitive taste buds.

575 zombie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:01:27am
#558 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
re: #503 zombie

!?!?!?!?!?! Where was "there"? Because I've heard of other schools that had to sing that exact same song! Either it was a widespread policy of having entire (mixed) schools singing "Young, Gifted and Black," or we have friends-of-friends in common.


Pasadena Unified School district in the early 80s

Hmmmm, interesting! Becuase it was not in Pasadena (or anywhere even close) that I heard of this being used as the school song.

I guess it was much more widespread than I realized!

From the tales I heard, being forced to repeatedly sing that song caused many Asian and white students to become very resentful. I can only imagine it was a purposefully inflammatory policy. I've never heard of any kids refusing to sing it, however -- except you!

576 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:01:49am

re: #540 WriterMom

COW PEE!

LOLOL

I tell him that's unfair..........to cow pee.

577 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:16am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

MOMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

578 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:22am

re: #571 WriterMom

Much as I despite Nazis, I've got to agree. Now, if the mother were, say, taking her kids along to burn crosses on the neighbors' lawns, or deface the local synagogue, that would be different. But she doesn't seem to have done that.

579 gop_patriot  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:25am

re: #511 Lizard by the Bay

Does this mean that the anti-frying Dems are "racist" against Southerners? Actually, we already knew that.

Holy crap! Southern is a race? That's great news.

::makes list of grievances::

580 realwest  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:39am

Well it's been grand in a depressing sort of way!
But I gotta go eat lunch now, I hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

581 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:47am

What will they do when they discover my kid has a pet lizard?

/shudder

582 Cartman  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:02:49am

re: #567 yma o hyd

Naw - they'll make you learn playing the bagpipes ... outdoors, in the howling gales of the Scottish Highlands, teeheehee!

I tried to learn the bagpipes once, but my Marlboro kept gettin' in the way.

583 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:03:27am

"ethnic unrest" Pakistan.- WABC Radio NY.

Question.

What is "ethnic food" in Pakistan?

584 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:03:28am
585 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:03:41am

re: #574 Josephine

Really, kids have very undeveloped, innocent palates, that don't really need spices, alcohol and exotic seasonings to get them going. A lot of them really do find spicy food to be too much.

(For G-d's sake, this isn't racist!)

586 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:03:59am

re: #583 Ben Hur

"ethnic unrest" Pakistan.- WABC Radio NY.

Question.

What is "ethnic food" in Pakistan?

It's what they eat while listening to "World Music".

587 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:04:14am

re: #567 yma o hyd

Naw - they'll make you learn playing the bagpipes ... outdoors, in the howling gales of the Scottish Highlands, teeheehee!


Or make you spend 12 hours listening to somebody playing the bagpipes, outdoors, in the howling gales of the Scottish Highlands.

588 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:04:35am

re: #583 Ben Hur

Corned beef on rye and a kosher dill.

589 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:04:42am

re: #580 realwest

Have a nice, undepressing, spicy or otherwise tasty lunch!

590 faraway  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:05:03am

You might be a racist if...
Your kid likes...

591 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:05:41am

re: #575 zombie

Hmmmm, interesting! Becuase it was not in Pasadena (or anywhere even close) that I heard of this being used as the school song.

I guess it was much more widespread than I realized!

From the tales I heard, being forced to repeatedly sing that song caused many Asian and white students to become very resentful. I can only imagine it was a purposefully inflammatory policy. I've never heard of any kids refusing to sing it, however -- except you!

I'm not one to hollar and squeal about problems. I just dig in my heels and refuse to budge. There were a lot of kids who felt the way I did but were guilted into singing the damn thing. I guess I've just got a stubborn streak.

592 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:06:04am

re: #589 TalkinKamel

Yes-choose from the Anti Racist Menu.

593 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:07:46am
594 zmdavid  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:09:38am

This is what happens when people who believe only people with power can be racists actually get power:
LGF:Ideological Reeducation Camps at University of Delaware (Oct 31, 2007)

595 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:11:50am

re: #427 Kenneth

I once had a camera with a voice that spoke if there were problems... eg. "out of film", "adjust focus", and hilariously, "use frash". The camera was made in Japan, of course.

That camera would last about one day if I had it. "Use frash" - LOL!

596 jcm  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:13:34am

I going to lunch soon.
I have the choice of Thai, Chinese, Mexican, Vietnamese, and a number of ethnic other cuisines.

How do I go to lunch in a non-racist, culturally diverse and sensitive way?

Please help.
Signed
HUNGRY!

597 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:13:48am

re: #298 MandyManners

Thanks!
Still, that's no reason to remove a kid.

What if the swastika was tattooed on the 7 year old girl's forehead?
What if "Heil Hitler" was tattoed on her forehead?
What if "Hitler Was Right" was tattoed on her forehead?

598 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:14:14am

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this point up, but it appears to me that this warning against "racist toddlers" can be seen as either:

(a) the ultimate in Nanny State insanity; or

(b) a clever and tactful Public Service Announcement intended to discourage childish forms of racism in adults.

As this is the UK, then it could really go either way between "Nanny State insanity" and "cleverly tactful."

But if it's (b), then it seems like good public policy to remind adults that saying things like "oh, those smelly Pakis with their stinky garlicky cooking" is infantile behavior that adults shouldn't model for other adults, let alone for actual toddlers.

Because while there are lots of excellent reasons to be concerned about immigration and unassimilated foreigners, if your arguments get to the level of "AND their food smells funny," that's starting to cross the line into severe BNP-style ugliness. (And it's "severely ugly" precisely because cooking-smells are so trivial.)

599 ladycatnip  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:14:28am

#14 bosforus

Every day, closer and closer to Harrison Bergeron.

Outstanding. Wonder if the writer of The Incredibles read this. Thanks for sharing it.

600 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:14:40am

re: #597 sparrowlake

What if the swastika was tattooed on the 7 year old girl's forehead?
What if "Heil Hitler" was tattoed on her forehead?
What if "Hitler Was Right" was tattoed on her forehead?

Couldn't you paint that as a case of child-abuse?

Imagine the ridicule the child would go through.

601 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:16:09am

re: #557 WriterMom

I'm around most of the time. Would love to come...

602 norar  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:17:21am

Will minorities children refusing to eat porridge be considered racist too, or will they get of for "cultural differences"?

603 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:17:36am
(b) a clever and tactful Public Service Announcement intended to discourage childish forms of racism in adults

I'm going to go with: Not that.
This isn't a PSA, which would of course be stupid, because it would create a victim mentality in the immigrants, it is a newpaper report of advice given to pre-school workers to tell toddlers they are being racist when they say "yuk" when eating unfamiliar food.

604 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:17:42am

re: #544 SpiritOf1683

And talking of Wales, I hate Welsh rarebit.

/waits for the 3am knock on the door

Report to the Ministry of Love, Room 101.

605 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:19:35am

re: #570 realwest

Geez, I sure hope they don't resort to waterboarding the tykes.

They could tell them that it was just 'Marco Polo'.

606 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:20:33am

re: #14 bosforus

Every day, closer and closer to Harrison Bergeron.

That was required reading for me in 7th grade. Our English teacher made us read all sorts of short stories that warned of worlds with totalitarians in control. I never realized just how subversive Mrs. Rose really was until now. And thank God she was!

607 ErnieG  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:21:13am

re: #583 Ben Hur

"ethnic unrest" Pakistan.- WABC Radio NY.

Question.

What is "ethnic food" in Pakistan?

That reminded me of a Jay Leno line when Bill Clinton met with the Chinese:

"Do you guys say 'Chinese food,' or just 'food?'"

608 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:23:47am

re: #18 drogheda

Will it be considered racist if some of the little darlings don't find pork to their liking?

That's different, pork is as unclean as a dog and therefore has no place in Britain.

609 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:24:31am

re: #493 yma o hyd

Yes, the days of this Governemnt are numbered indeed.
The outrage of today was tha Gordon Brown blamed British families for the rise in food prices - because they throw so much away ...!
Heh - standard reply was, he can blame us once he stops wasting our taxes ...

Lots of little things don't make it across the Atlantic, but there are signs which must trouble the government greatly.
The Chief Constables of the various Police Forces are political appointments, thus they are Labout-leaning, at the very least.
Now a few of them have spoken out against the bureaucratic nightmare created by Labour - and are refusing to deal with it. Straws in teh wind, getting more and more numerous.
Oh - and Michelle is Cherie's sister, no doubt about it, Hillary hasn't got a clue compared to those two!
But then, LLL Laydeez, dripping with jewels, are veeery good at preaching water while drinking wine ...

I actually went to post that article re the Food Police last night in the spinoffs, but someone beat me to it. I could not believe what I was reading...here is today's article with a video from the Telegraph.

I never realized that the Chief Constables were political appointments! My friend's husband's Dad was a Constable, but the kind that alked his eat, in Orpington, and knew every shop keeper, child, etc. That was eons ago. We went to see the area once when we were there, as my friend lives in Bromley.

I have seen a lot of changes in England over the years, and my last trip, 7 years ago, was the first time I actually saw Muslims in burkas shopping in the High Street, and the Glades, a giant American style shopping mall.

I did feel so badly one visit when Brown's wife lost their first baby...he was then Chancellor of the Exchequer, but now? I wish he were voted out in a vote of no confidence...the by-elections will send quite a message, I bet.

Irony: the Demonrats here used to be the party of the working classes, etc. Now? Their politicos are all millionaires, who do not have a clue re the working class.

And as for my fellow Jews who vote Dem.? Old habits die hard.

Remember when political wives were in the background?

610 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:25:08am

To make learning fun and appealing to tots, the anti-racist concepts will be presented by two friendly puppets named Honkey and Hymie.

611 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #575 zombie

Hmmmm, interesting! Becuase it was not in Pasadena (or anywhere even close) that I heard of this being used as the school song.

I guess it was much more widespread than I realized!

From the tales I heard, being forced to repeatedly sing that song caused many Asian and white students to become very resentful. I can only imagine it was a purposefully inflammatory policy. I've never heard of any kids refusing to sing it, however -- except you!


I was a volunteer for the Pasadena Unified School District from the mid-seventies until the end of the eighties. As a member of the compensatory educational committee I was sent to the convention, always in San Francisco, two times. Various speakers were Jesse Jackson, Bella Abzug and the head guy from the American Indian Movement. LOL I think most of the California Public Schools were on the same wavelength.

612 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:27:15am

re: #574 Josephine

Perfect post.

613 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:27:35am

re: #600 rlevitin

Couldn't you paint that as a case of child-abuse?

I would draw the line at hate branding.

614 oh_dude  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:30:39am

Hey Mom,

The kids don't like the tacos you made for dinner tonight? Don't worry it's not your cooking, they're just hard-line white supremacists.

615 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #597 sparrowlake

Tattoos? ah, now if this had taken place, I think the mother could have been arrested and charged with child abuse (as in "malicious wounding") -- because tattoos draw blood (it's like a wound), and added to the fact that the symbol can be deemed as hate related; tattooing is permanent, etc.

616 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:32:59am

re: #598 Throbert McGee

Okay, so, basically you're saying that it's just fine for the nanny state to use kids in order to spy on their parents, and that when said parents say things such as they don't like Pakistani food, or that some ethnic groups smell funny, they should be punished for hate crimes.

So parents will have to be extra cautious about what they say in front of the kids, because they might blurt something out in front of the teacher which would get them arrested. And kids will, of course, be encouraged to report any bad, or hateful things, Mommy or daddy says, to teacher, who will then report them to appropriate authorities.

This will do wonders for the already troubled British family, which is already threatened by out of wedlock births, the welfare system and British yobbism. And it will, of course, make everybody simply adore minorities. (How can you not love a group that, if you utter even something slightly negative about their cooking, can get you arrested. It seems to me this sort of thing would increase racism, not eradicate it.)

My dad once said, as I recall, that "French food is s****t. When coming back from travels abroad, he also complained that many Frenchmen didn't bathe. And he disliked Scandinavian sandwiches. I'm glad the Thought police didn't come and take him away for re-education. We were really mad at him, by the way, when he made us move to California. Gee, if they'd had punishments for thought crimes back then, we could have told teacher that daddy said bad things about other races---that would fix him!

(By the way---does "McMartin Pre-school" ring a bell with you?)

617 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:35:17am

Here's another fun puppet for the kiddies!

re: #610 American Jewess In Jerusalem

618 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:36:52am

re: #598 Throbert McGee

So, you think it's a good idea for the state to get into the business of regulating opinions which, according to you, are "incorrect", as opposed to out-and-out criminal actions?

And would any legal lizards like to weigh in on this?

619 anand  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:37:55am

my son says yuk when I give him indian food...and I'm indian..

620 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:41:38am

re: #597 sparrowlake

What if the swastika was tattooed on the 7 year old girl's forehead?
What if "Heil Hitler" was tattoed on her forehead?
What if "Hitler Was Right" was tattoed on her forehead?

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to tattoo a child in Canada, so the parents would get in trouble for that, if nothing else. I think it would qualify as child abuse; after all, regardless of the tattoo, they are disfiguring the child. "Hitler was Right" would probably qualify as a hate crime.

Marker on skin will wash off. Hopefully, education and life experience will teach the child something different than what was learned at home.

I don't want the government deciding which parents are too racist to raise their own children. It might decide I'm racist because my child doesn't like a particular food or spice.

I wouldn't be surprised if the school board instituted a rule against slogans being written on any student's skin.

621 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:42:04am

Ronny Cammareri: I love you.
Loretta Castorini: [slaps him twice] Snap out of it!

622 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:42:29am

And, of course, as we all know, three-year olds are perfect, objective and all-knowing interpreters of their parents words, and actions, and do-goodly social worker types should have the absolute right to poke into any, and everything, Mommy or daddy says.

("Mommie doesn't like eating at the local Japanese restaurant because she's doesn't think their fish smells good. She says it's stinky. Is that like the same as saying Japanese people are stinky? Are Japanese people stinky because they eat raw fish? Why are dead fish stinky, I like them, I wanted to bring one home with me from the beach, but Mommy said I couldn't. Maybe she thinks dead fish are like Japanese? Can I have a cookie? Is Teletubbies on yet?")

623 Carolyn  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:43:19am

Rings a bell with me, 1984

624 drj  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:44:23am

will muslims be racist when they refuse to eat American hot dogs?

625 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:44:39am

re: #615 J.S.

Tattoos would be different, yes.

Magic markers wash off. My own son once, in a fit of artistic passion, painted one of his legs bright green with a magic marker, and one bright red. Needless to say, a bath took care of it, and he isn't walking around with one green leg, and one red leg today. Markers don't do anything permanent to a kid.

626 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:46:14am

re: #625 TalkinKamel

Tattoos would be different, yes.

Magic markers wash off. My own son once, in a fit of artistic passion, painted one of his legs bright green with a magic marker, and one bright red. Needless to say, a bath took care of it, and he isn't walking around with one green leg, and one red leg today. Markers don't do anything permanent to a kid.

Depends on which kind they sniff. ;)

627 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:46:19am

re: #612 NY Nana

Thank you, Nana.

628 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:46:51am
629 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:47:58am

re: #479 faraway

I will have to stop ordering "Black Bush" Irish Liquor. Off with my head.

Bushmills is actually distilled in Ulster. The idiots in San Francisco a few years ago were pouring good Bushmills down the drain "in solidarity" with the IRA.

630 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:49:36am

re: #629 Colonel Panik

Bushmills is actually distilled in Ulster. The idiots in San Francisco a few years ago were pouring good Bushmills down the drain "in solidarity" with the IRA.

If they bought it, that only makes me laugh. Besides, they are only getting the gators drunk. ;)

631 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:50:11am

re: #620 Josephine


Marker on skin will wash off. Hopefully, education and life experience will teach the child something different than what was learned at home.

Parents could rent their children out as billboards.

632 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:50:36am

re: #628 buzzsawmonkey

Unless your kid has run up more markers with the bookies than he or she can pay.

And here I thought that when they said "the juice is running", they were talking about their Sunkist boxes.

633 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:50:42am

re: #625 TalkinKamel

That reminds me of a Robert Munsch story: Purple, Green and Yellow.

634 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:51:22am

re: #631 sparrowlake

Parents could rent their children out as billboards.

Some already use their children as walking billboards and accessories at demonstrations.

635 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:51:23am

re: #627 Josephine

It was the most rational explanation given. And although my kids are in their 30's and 40's? It sounds like what they said, and experienced so many years ago. But for my 3 little grandkids, growing up in a PC world? I am greatly concerned.

636 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:51:29am

re: #631 sparrowlake

Parents could rent their children out as billboards.

You should run with that idea. Seriously. I mean, if people can dress their kids like sex toys for money, why not turn them into billboards?

637 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #450 roguejew

I'm Jewish and I hate Gefilte Fish.....Does that make me an anti-semite?


No. It makes you a self-hating Jew.

638 Daddyg  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:54:19am

re: #575 zombie

In the mid-70's suburban Chicago schools some of my grade school teachers thought it would be a great idea to have the girls dance on stage doing their rendition of "I am woman" by Helen Reddy. As the pre-pubescent girls danced back and forth on stage and started to sing: "I am woman, hear me roar, In numbers too big to ignore..." we boys started to laugh so hard we nearly pee'd our pants.

After several attempts to get us to be quiet and take the performance seriously the teachers finally ejected all of us boys from the auditorium. The girls were horribly embarrassed and demoralized and all of the boys were laughing hysterically as the red faced angry teachers escorted us from the room. The girls finished their performance without audience while the boys exiled to our classroom enjoyed an inspired performance of "I am woman" by the class clown "Bob" who included generous amounts hip wagging and bust thrusting for emphasis.

I'm not saying we were right to mock the girls - but trying to impose political ideology in the form of gender empowerment on little kids is going to have predictable results.

639 wolfie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:54:31am

re: #620 Josephine

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to tattoo a child in Canada, so the parents would get in trouble for that, if nothing else. I think it would qualify as child abuse; after all, regardless of the tattoo, they are disfiguring the child. "Hitler was Right" would probably qualify as a hate crime.

Marker on skin will wash off. Hopefully, education and life experience will teach the child something different than what was learned at home.

I don't want the government deciding which parents are too racist to raise their own children. It might decide I'm racist because my child doesn't like a particular food or spice.

I wouldn't be surprised if the school board instituted a rule against slogans being written on any student's skin.

Amen.
And your last sentence is crucial. The schools can have dress codes or simple rules about the display of slogans, etc. Children do not have full "freedom of expression" at school.

640 paradox42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:55:05am

re: #292 NY Nana

Reading the article, I thing Child Services did the right thing.

This was not just a case of a parent teaching a child racist views. This parent took the kids to white supremacist rallies and seems to be involving them in the white supremacist movement.

These rallies have some very dangerous people in attendance. White supremacists are often violent and sociopathic, and these rallies are no place for a child. The FBI spends quite a bit of time investigating white supremacists here in the US due to their propensity for violence. I would imagine its the same in Canada.

Basically what I'm saying is that while exposing a kid to racist views is not child abuse, intentionally exposing them to a group with a well-documented history of violence and criminal behavior is abuse.

641 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:57:54am

re: #550 Lizard by the Bay

I hate myself, since I refuse to eat Haggis. Will they lock me up for self-hate?

But mark the Rustic, haggis fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread.
Clap in his wallie nieve a blade, (wallie = mighty, nieve = fist)
He'll mak it whistle;
An' legs an' arms, an' heads will sned, (sned = cut off)
Like taps o' thristle. (thristle = thistle)

Ye Pow'rs wha mak mankind your care,
And dish them out their bill o' fare,
Auld Scotland wants nae skinkin ware (skinkin ware = watery soup)
That jaups in luggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer,
Gie her a haggis!

-Robert Burns

642 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:58:05am

re: #636 Hard Right

You should run with that idea. Seriously. I mean, if people can dress their kids like sex toys for money, why not turn them into billboards?

It's a living.

643 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 11:59:26am

re: #633 Josephine

Heh, heh, heh. . . he was certainly a sight to behold! (I should have taken a picture.)

644 wolfie  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:00:48pm

re: #640 paradox42

Then all parents who take their kids to a madrassa should suffer the same fate? And what about Communist Party rallies?

You have to have specifics, not just the bit about these people "are often violent and sociopathic."

645 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:01:37pm

re: #619 anand

Well then he's racist too!

/just kidding

646 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:02:11pm

re: #633 Josephine

Robert Munsch RULES!

647 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:02:15pm

re: #640 paradox42

You do raise a good point. White supremecist groups, in addition to all the negatives you mentioned, are often ex-cons, who still have strong ties to prison gangs---not to mention drug-dealing and car theft rings. Such people are not good to be around kids.

OT---There's a prison in my area, and heavily tattooed guys, frequently with a much younger, heavily tattooed young man dancing attendance on them, are, alas, an all too common sight around here.

648 jorline  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:02:27pm

What about the kids that don't like ham & Eggs or a bacon cheeseburger?

649 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:03:09pm

re: #633 Josephine

Another time, he painted one arm magic marker blue, and the other, red. . .

650 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:04:24pm

re: #622 TalkinKamel

I offered a guest ice cream last week, either an ice cream pop or a scoop (even choices of flavour!) and the guest wanted the pop. My WriterDaughter said - oh good you're eating those, they are the ones we're trying to get rid of.

651 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:05:08pm

re: #648 jorline

Then they're good little liberals.

652 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:05:47pm

re: #640 paradox42

It's not abuse, it's stupid and obtuse.

Abuse is physical violence, emotional trauma, neglect. Bringing your kids to political rallies with unsavoury characters around is bad judgement. But that isn't illegal.

653 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:05:57pm

re: #648 jorline

Well, buy gum, they must be downright un-american, and foreign spies!

/Sarc. Of course. But, really, if you're going to start investigating stuff like food preferences, this is the sort of nonsense you'll get.

654 jorline  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #651 Lizard by the Bay

Then they're good little liberals.


lol

655 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:06:10pm

re: #634 Josephine

Some already use their children as walking billboards and accessories at demonstrations.

Isn't it cute?
C hildren
U nder
T he
E -bus

656 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:06:41pm

re: #638 Daddyg

That is so funny.

LOLOLOL.

657 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:07:22pm

re: #650 WriterMom

ROFLMAO! I love it!

(These days, Kid Kamel refuses to eat practically everything but pancakes and peanut butter sandwiches. I don't know what that makes him: a pan-cakian? A peanutbutter-tarian?)

658 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:07:38pm

re: #652 WriterMom

What about when parents dress their children as suicide bombers at these rallies? That's a clear intention to raise your child to be a killer, IMO. Can we intervene then?

659 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:08:44pm

re: #649 TalkinKamel

LOL! Kids are great!

660 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:10:23pm

re: #652 WriterMom

Yes, it shouldn't be against the law to take your kid to a political rally. (If that were the case, a lot of people would like to arrest us for taking Kid Kamel---then Baby Kamel---to a talk by Michelle Maklkin way back when.)

OT---There is, as I said, a lot of criminality in the white-power/Nazi movements, and I am creeped out by the number of young men (not kids, of course) I see hanging out around here with tattooed ex-con types.

661 godfrey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #658 Lizard by the Bay

When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action.

Who gets to define "clear racist incident" between children? Individuals (peers, parents), or the State? Surely you see the potential for abuse here.

662 jorline  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:11:06pm

Some kids can't even read Dr. Seuss's "Green Eggs & Ham"...Sam I Am

663 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:11:18pm

re: #659 Josephine

Arent they, though?

:>)

{Kids!}

{Josephine!}

664 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:12:47pm

re: #661 godfrey

What does that have to do with my post?

665 jorline  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:12:56pm

re: #658 Lizard by the Bay

What about when parents dress their children as suicide bombers at these rallies? That's a clear intention to raise your child to be a killer, IMO. Can we intervene then?


They can drees-up, just so long as their wires aren't showing.

666 godfrey  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:13:28pm

re: #664 Lizard by the Bay

You're asking when it's ok for the State to intervene, right?

667 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:14:38pm

re: #658 Lizard by the Bay

I'd like them all to meet their virgins, but as far as I know it's not illegal to brainwash your kids or influence them politically no matter how abhorent the ideology is. I would love to brainwash the Islamic jihadi children in a better ideology but it just ain't gonna happen.

Would you like the state to be able to take your children away from you because you are a Zionist? A conservative? A vegan?

668 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:15:19pm

re: #660 TalkinKamel

There also seems to be a lot of well-educated, white-collar, smooth-talking "racial realists" speaking up lately.

(I'm not arguing with your observation; just adding mine.)

669 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #666 godfrey

When there is neglect or abuse or other criminal behaviour.

670 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:17:09pm

re: #660 TalkinKamel

Absolutely. These folks are not my cup of tea and it is not shocking that they would be involved in other distasteful and illegal activities. But if they don't involve their kids in illegal or criminal behaviours than I think it's a very dangerous thing for kids to be seized on future crimes or ideological reasons.

671 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:17:12pm

re: #667 WriterMom

I see where you're coming from, but if parents are programming their children to go out and commit crimes, is that not itself a criminal act? Criminal solicitation at the very least? Forget the racial or political angles for a moment, and just think of the public safety issue.

672 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:17:34pm

re: #668 Josephine

Just like all the Hamas assholes in their fine, fancy suits.

673 paradox42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:17:41pm

re: #644 wolfie

If the madrassa is under investigation or has a history of inciting violence, and the parents were aware of this, than yes

If the communist rally is more than a peaceful protest, throwing molotovs and threatening cops, and the parents don't pull the kids out when things turn ugly, then yes.

re: #652 WriterMom

It depends on the rally, but many of these rallies have violent ex-cons in attendance. I think it is abuse to knowingly allow your kids to come into direct contact with such individuals.

674 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:18:45pm

re: #667 WriterMom

as far as I know it's not illegal to brainwash your kids

I think you are correct. But parents are encouraged not to leave a visible scar where the computer chip is implanted.

675 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:18:55pm

re: #672 WriterMom

Slimy snake-oil salesmen.

*spit*

676 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:19:51pm

re: #671 Lizard by the Bay

I'm not sure...I'm not a legal expert-just giving my opinion. I think there are certain crimes of intention. I think if there was a rally where little kids were given sticks of dynamite and instructed to go to public places and blow themselves up-absolutely, take the kids away immediately and charge the parents and all the co-conspirators.

But going to a rally and screaming death to the infidels till their faces turn blue-again-horrible judgement and disgusting but not illegal. Incitement is a crime but I believe you have to prove an imminent danger.

677 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:20:49pm

re: #673 paradox42

Yes, I would argue it is criminally neglegent NOT to remove children from a violent scene. But it is not illegal to believe it, preach it etc...

678 bosforus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:21:45pm

re: #599 ladycatnip

re: #606 Lizard by the Bay

That was required reading for me in 7th grade...I never realized just how subversive Mrs. Rose really was until now. And thank God she was!

Required reading in 7th grade for me too. Classic Vonengut. I never realized how real it could become. It was always just a fantasy story to me until I started paying more attention to leftist policy and values. Few days go by now that I don't think of that story.

679 bosforus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:23:05pm

re: #678 bosforus

...Classic Vonengut...

Vonnegut.
PIMF

680 bosforus  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #599 ladycatnip

#14 bosforus

Outstanding. Wonder if the writer of The Incredibles read this. Thanks for sharing it.

Glad you enjoyed it. Here's to hopin' it never comes true.

681 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:29:56pm

re: #671 Lizard by the Bay

I see where you're coming from, but if parents are programming their children to go out and commit crimes, is that not itself a criminal act? Criminal solicitation at the very least? Forget the racial or political angles for a moment, and just think of the public safety issue.

Who will define "programming"?

At what point does a hateful thought become a criminal act and who will be held accountable for it?

Who will set the definitions? Who will decide on the punishments?

See the Canadian Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals and their definition of a hate crime (which includes the possibility of someday, somewhere, somehow, causing emotional or physical pain to some unknown entity).

Hate, hateful thoughts, racist beliefs = inside the mind. If and when a crime is committed, then and only then should the state intervene.

I don't want the government to have the power to tell me what I may and may not teach my child.

Toronto's local government would mandate "Social Justice"; it's already taught in the schools, complete with anti-Israel propaganda.

What if the government decided that teaching my daughter the truth about Israel and the "Palestinians" was a hate crime because I am biased towards Israel? If given the power, the Toronto government would do it.

Barbara Hall calls censorship "freedom".

682 sonofsheldon  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:32:41pm

re: #14 bosforus

I read it with my fourth graders this past school year. The hardest part of it for me was to keep politics out of our discussions of the story. When we were done though, they had a better understanding of the theme of the story than most Obama supporters or British politicians. Or maybe I just had a class filled with racist kids.

683 paradox42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:33:13pm

re: #676 WriterMom

I think if there was a rally where little kids were given sticks of dynamite and instructed to go to public places and blow themselves up-absolutely

White supremacists actively try to recruit children for their "race war". They make coloring books, TV shows, and magazines to plant the seeds. Once the kids are old enough, they'll teach them about weapons and bombs. White supremacists

re: #677 WriterMom

I think exposing a kid to neo-nazism and white nationalism is akin different then exposing them to hard-core porn.

S & M may be legal, but do you think a parent should have the right to expose their kids to it?

684 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:35:43pm

re: #683 paradox42

I think that there is a general consensus that showing young children sexual explicit material is abusive. I don't think it would be a hard case to make.

685 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:37:02pm

re: #681 Josephine

Josephine, are you in Toronto?

686 theheat  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:39:26pm

WTF? What kid shouldn't say if something smells bad? Does ethnicity trump hygiene these days? Bullshit!

Cat shit stinks. Does that make me a cat racist? Rotten seaweed stinks. Does that make me a (admittedly, I can't spell it, but I can smell it) kim chi racist?

No, kids should not be allowed to pick on other kids because they look different or speak differently. They should not pick on anyone for something that person cannot help, particularly kids with disabilities. That's just plain goddamned cruel. But calling out a kid that says something or someone stinks, and labeling it as racism, is insane.

(Hey kids - when something stinks, say so. Who knows, you may have just discovered a gas leak and saved lives.)

I'm sure the lefty actresses with kids in schools "over there", and not in our substandard stinky racist US schools, are pleased at the superior education their children are receiving. That, in itself, is hysterical. Even more funny, given the freaky phucked-up made-up names these enlightened ones saddle their kids with, I suppose it's the best place for these kids. "Name calling will not be tolerated!"

687 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:40:03pm

re: #681 Josephine

Who will define "programming"?
At what point does a hateful thought become a criminal act and who will be held accountable for it?
Who will set the definitions? Who will decide on the punishments?
See the Canadian Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals and their definition of a hate crime (which includes the possibility of someday, somewhere, somehow, causing emotional or physical pain to some unknown entity).
Hate, hateful thoughts, racist beliefs = inside the mind. If and when a crime is committed, then and only then should the state intervene.
I don't want the government to have the power to tell me what I may and may not teach my child.
Toronto's local government would mandate "Social Justice"; it's already taught in the schools, complete with anti-Israel propaganda.
What if the government decided that teaching my daughter the truth about Israel and the "Palestinians" was a hate crime because I am biased towards Israel? If given the power, the Toronto government would do it.
Barbara Hall calls censorship "freedom".

You are correct if, as in your case, you are not teaching your child to hate, dominate and ultimately kill all those who are not of your own faith. But in the case of Islamist Fundamentalists the best interests of their children deserves to trump their parents' right to brainwash them. IMHO.

688 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:41:03pm
689 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:41:57pm
690 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:44:37pm
691 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:45:28pm
692 paradox42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:45:35pm

re: #684 WriterMom

I feel the same way about Neo-naziism. The very nature of it encourages violence. It is not the same as telling a kid that homosexuality is a sin. It is telling a kid that homosexuals therefore they deserve to be attacked and nothing they can do will change that fact.

693 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:48:16pm

When you think about it, it makes perfect sense that babies would be racist, given the steady diet of white milk they are fed -- and in the name of nourishment!

I propose we start a movement to add brown molasses to all milk, milk products, and formula, so that no child is forced to daily ingest a symbol of evil and oppression.

694 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:53:46pm

re: #676 WriterMom

I'm not sure...I'm not a legal expert-just giving my opinion. I think there are certain crimes of intention. I think if there was a rally where little kids were given sticks of dynamite and instructed to go to public places and blow themselves up-absolutely, take the kids away immediately and charge the parents and all the co-conspirators.
But going to a rally and screaming death to the infidels till their faces turn blue-again-horrible judgement and disgusting but not illegal. Incitement is a crime but I believe you have to prove an imminent danger.

IMO the issue is not whether the parents have technically committed a crime. It is more a question of how the best interests of the child is best served i.e. whether the very serious step of removal from the home is more or less harmful than the status quo.
In the case of Islamist Fundamentalists who teach their children to hate and kill and who send their children to Islamist schools I am much more inclined to favour removal of the child since the chances of the fully brainwashed Islamist child turning out even half normal are probably remote.

695 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:55:10pm
696 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:56:52pm

re: #676 WriterMom

Being a racist isn't illegal. Attacking somebody for racist reasons is illegal. Raising your child to be a racist isn't illegal. Teaching your child to commit a crime based on race (or for any other reason) is illegal.

697 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:56:56pm

re: #685 WriterMom

You betcha!

698 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:57:33pm

re: #697 Josephine

So join us for lunch sometime!

699 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:58:59pm

re: #694 sparrowlake

They get that information from the Koran. And, being a Muslim is not illegal. If the incitement in the Koran is considered criminal then that's a different story. We dont' even have the guts to say Islamic terrorists and you want to remove the kids from the home....baby steps, my friend.

700 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 12:59:47pm

re: #696 Kenneth

Well, I think attacking someone is sufficient reason-without the 'racist' part. I don't give a shit what motivated the attacker-you attack someone-you pay the price.

701 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:03:40pm

re: #687 sparrowlake

Whoa there, are you suggesting that so-called "islamic fundamentalists" should have their children taken away? (another jawdropper).

702 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:04:25pm

re: #687 sparrowlake

You are correct if, as in your case, you are not teaching your child to hate, dominate and ultimately kill all those who are not of your own faith. But in the case of Islamist Fundamentalists the best interests of their children deserves to trump their parents' right to brainwash them. IMHO.

It's a troubling dilemma. How to quash hatred against us and our democracies without resorting to fascism, etc.

I would argue that removing children from their parents' homes is not the way to fight it.

Enforcing the law, refusing to apologize for putting a cute puppy on a postcard, etc., seems to be the only recourse we have without going too far in the other direction. I'm all for punishing imams who preach and promote criminal acts. We have to fight, in our own countries, this war that is not of our choosing. In our own countries, we have to fight to defend free speech, etc.

703 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:05:36pm

re: #698 WriterMom

So join us for lunch sometime!

I'd love to! Please let me know the next time you're planning one!

(For a limited time only, my nic is blue.)

704 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:10:28pm

re: #700 WriterMom

Yes of course. I was just chiming in to your argument that no matter how abhorrent that racist mother is, she didn't commit a crime.

705 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:12:46pm

re: #703 Josephine

I just sent you an e-mail!

706 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:14:20pm

re: #704 Kenneth

Gotcha. Yes-I have a real problem with the whole realm of 'hate' crimes.

707 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:23:12pm

re: #701 J.S.

Whoa there, are you suggesting that so-called "islamic fundamentalists" should have their children taken away? (another jawdropper).

I've suggested that, but only about out-and-out terrorists. Take the kids and have them raised by decent non-Islamic families. Might serve as a detterent for people who don't fear death, except that they are mostly young childless males, afaik.

708 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:23:38pm

a very difficult subject. gotta run & pick up the lad at daycare. later all

709 tappin52  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:24:42pm

It seems to me that, increasingly, the powers that be in Britain are daring the common people with some sense to step up and knock the snot out of the ruling class.

710 jenv  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:29:21pm

1) This won't be applied to immigrants saying "yuk" to English food
2) "Yuk" and "unfamiliar" aren't really related. I hate fish of all kinds. It should not surprise you that I don't like most Japanese food, but that's not because it's unfamiliar.
3) I love face-meltingly hot Thai food. Under no circumstances would I feed it to a 3-year old, however, and my first reaction to an adult refusing to eat it isn't "they're racist".
4) "They smell" is, no doubt, about Muslims, whose ... interesting ... hygiene practices have been well discussed here, and whose whining is at a fever pitch. The French don't care if the English dislike their odor, so I doubt they would be pushing this.

711 Frank Veracity  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:34:18pm

I'm coming in to the discussion kind of late.

That is one of the dumbest fooking things I have ever heard. It certainly proves that in order to be a good and effective bureaucrat it's necessary to remove all higher cognitive functions prior to arriving at work.

If not eating some types of food is considered "racist" then I'm a "racist" because I've always been a picky eater. It turns out I had a pretty good reason because I've got a severe allergy to all seafood and I can't digest spicy food. I can still remember having major heartburn and acid reflux as a little kid after eating a pizza, Mexican food, or anything even remotely spicy. Now I just avoid all spicy food and I have relatively little problems.

712 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:40:02pm

re: #640 paradox42

I agree re Child Services. What the outcome will be? Not a clue.

I would hope that if she is known to the area she lives, as her name could be used because the kids are minors, IIRC, the neighbors would not want their kids to be in her home...she soulds like she is pretty screwed up, and is indeed a neo-nazi, no matter how she tries to deny it...

My heart breaks for her brainwashed kids. I consider it to be a form of child abuse. I wonder how they will turn out...every child deserves a stable home, loving parents or parent, but too many get neither.

I wish the Province had a mandatory class the mother had to go to, in order to learn just who the nazis are and what they did, and pass an exam before getting her kids back, with follow-up visits.

BTW, I love your avatar.

713 Fasternu426  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:46:31pm

I hate cucumbers, lima beans, watermelon, and kiwi fruit. What does that make me?

714 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:12pm

re: #713 Fasternu426

I hate cucumbers, lima beans, watermelon, and kiwi fruit. What does that make me?

Fussy.

715 Paul  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:12pm

Speaking of jawdroppers: From the always unbiased Associsted Press:

Campaign takes shape, the old guy vs. change.

716 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:30pm

re: #670 WriterMom

Yes, I think it's dangerous too, given the---let's be blunt---moonbatty tendencies of many social workers, and "service providers." I'm sure some of these people believe ordinary Mormons, or all conservatives, are likely to abuse those kids; and the do-goodly female types are highly suspicious of all dads. The potential for abuse is just too great.

And, from what I've seen of the foster care system, I think kids---short of actual physical neglect, or real abuse, are better off with their parents, even if those parents are creeps, than they are in a system which has "lost" thousands of kids over the years, and turned them over to abusers for worse than anything they encountered in their homes.

717 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:33pm

re: #616 TalkinKamel

Okay, so, basically you're saying that it's just fine for the nanny state to use kids in order to spy on their parents, and that when said parents say things such as they don't like Pakistani food, or that some ethnic groups smell funny, they should be punished for hate crimes.

Why, yes, TalkinKowbell, that's basically what I intended to say -- thank you for the fair-minded and rational summary of my post #598. (Not that the summary was really necessary, because I feel confident that any literate person reading my post would've characterized it in exactly the same language you did.)

718 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:45pm

re: #701 J.S.

Whoa there, are you suggesting that so-called "islamic fundamentalists" should have their children taken away? (another jawdropper).

Taken away only as a last resort and in the most extreme cases.

719 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:49:54pm

re: #714 NY Nana

An anti-Vegan?

720 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:51:21pm

re: #707 nikis-knight

Well I'm assuming that if "so-and-so" is an out-and-out terrorist -- then he/she is either serving time in jail or has blown itself up already...in either case, he/she won't be raising the children...(There are Imams -- here in Canada -- who do indeed preach Islamic "supremacy" -- very much like white supremacists...lots of yaky-yak. Should their children be apprehended? Unless there are actual instances of outright abuse/neglect -- I say, "no.")

721 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:51:41pm

One of my family legends purports that when I was 3 my mom asked what I wanted for breakfast and I said "Lunch".

There's a whole passel full of analysis in there someplace.

722 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:53:52pm

re: #721 jcbunga

One of my family legends purports that when I was 3 my mom female parental unit asked what I wanted for breakfast and I said "Lunch".

There's a whole passel full of analysis in there someplace.

/Sorry for the confusion.

723 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:55:11pm

re: #699 WriterMom

They get that information from the Koran. And, being a Muslim is not illegal. If the incitement in the Koran is considered criminal then that's a different story. We dont' even have the guts to say Islamic terrorists and you want to remove the kids from the home....baby steps, my friend.

LOL. Don't worry Mom I am not a children's aid worker.
You see how they are perverting us?
And how they use our own freedoms against us?
Babysteps indeed.

724 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:04:17pm

re: #598 Throbert McGee

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this point up, but it appears to me that this warning against "racist toddlers" can be seen as either:

(a) the ultimate in Nanny State insanity; or

(b) a clever and tactful Public Service Announcement intended to discourage childish forms of racism in adults.

As this is the UK, then it could really go either way between "Nanny State insanity" and "cleverly tactful."

But if it's (b), then it seems like good public policy to remind adults that saying things like "oh, those smelly Pakis with their stinky garlicky cooking" is infantile behavior that adults shouldn't model for other adults, let alone for actual toddlers.

Because while there are lots of excellent reasons to be concerned about immigration and unassimilated foreigners, if your arguments get to the level of "AND their food smells funny," that's starting to cross the line into severe BNP-style ugliness. (And it's "severely ugly" precisely because cooking-smells are so trivial.)

Well, this certainly seems to me as if you do approve of monitoring what these kids say, Throbert, as "good public policy" and as a way of monitoring supposedly childish behavior in adults. (So the schools are supposed to lesson adults now, as well as their kids?)

You also compare parents with such opinions to the BNP, which seems to me A.) Unfair, and B.) Overdoing it. And it does sound as if you think these parents should be watched as closely as dangerous white racist groups, and that if their kids say things teacher thinks are insensitive, they should be taken for this. So, this does seem to me to work out to both punishing parents (if only by having somebody come by at yammer at them about sensitivity), and using kids to find out exactly what Mommy and Daddy are saying at home. This doesn't seem to me like "good policy" at all, but like hunting down, and punishing, people for having "bad" thoughts. (Why is it the state's business to make sure people are using the "correct" arguments---whatever that means?)

If you think I'm misinterpreting you, explain, point by point how I am---don't just try to snark me into silence. Also, please explain why you think it's the government's business to ensure that parents do not model "infantile" behavior (again, whatever that means; that's pretty broad), or how such prying and monitoring of family life wouldn't lead, pretty quickly, to a lot of abuse?

725 Agahnim  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:04:40pm

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Really, yuk? I suppose the fact that I do not enjoy chopped nuts on my ice-cream sundaes constitutes a racist attitude against those poor almonds and walnuts?

Give me a break.

726 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:05:10pm

re: #705 WriterMom

Got it! Reply sent!

727 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:07:11pm

re: #716 TalkinKamel

Yes, I think it's dangerous too, given the---let's be blunt---moonbatty tendencies of many social workers, and "service providers." I'm sure some of these people believe ordinary Mormons, or all conservatives, are likely to abuse those kids; and the do-goodly female types are highly suspicious of all dads. The potential for abuse is just too great.
And, from what I've seen of the foster care system, I think kids---short of actual physical neglect, or real abuse, are better off with their parents, even if those parents are creeps, than they are in a system which has "lost" thousands of kids over the years, and turned them over to abusers for worse than anything they encountered in their homes.

The Islamofascist takeover attempt is a new ballgame. We need social engineering tools to help stop the creeping invasion, and even the threat of state custody could be very useful. And yes it is dangerous to all of us, but so is defending their right to teach their children to subjugate or kill us.

728 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:10:12pm

re: #717 Throbert McGee

By comparing parents who say things like "Paki food smells funny" to the BNP you do imply that such parents are as dangerous as organized Neo-Nazis. And while I agree with you that, yes, there is a right and wrong way to disagree with immigration policies, do you really think the school system can, or should, start investigating parents as to whether their views are the right ones? And is a parent who just doesn't like Islamic and/or Paki/Hindu culture, whether you agree with them or not, really the equivalent of a Neo-Nazi?

729 eaglewingz08  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:11:25pm

A child who only eats peanut butter sandwiches and pancakes, I hope is not turning into a Djimmah Car(bombersuppor)ter liberal.

730 sultan_knish  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:11:48pm

Muslims are never going to be held accountable in this way, particularly not within Muslim communities. Even if a lone social worker somewhere makes the attempt to do so, the result will be riots and violence followed by a quick retreat by the agency.

Such laws will primarily be used by social services bureaucrats to enforce control and conformity. The solution is not to hope that the bureaucracy crafted by liberals will be of any use against Islamofascism, but to create more space for individual freedoms to serve as protection.

731 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:14:00pm

re: #727 sparrowlake

With all due respect, Sparrowlake, this "whole new ballgame" argument is similar to what a lot of BNP/Vlaams Belang supporters have argued: it's all new, Islam changes everything, we've got to change the rules, and we've got to do it now!

Unfortunately, once the rules do change, they can be used against you, as well as against your enemies. The law of unintended consequences always goes into action, sooner or later.

732 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:14:30pm

Another point I noticed in the article:

It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", “Pakis”, “those people” or “they smell”.

The problem of anti-black prejudice among Muslim immigrants in the UK (with "blacks" being most often Jamaicans and other Afro-Caribbeans, as far as I know) has been pretty well documented in British media sources. So, arguably, this "guidance" from a government-run childcare agency could be a loud ahem directed as much (or more) at Muslim immigrants than at white Brits, without overtly pointing a finger at the famously whiny Muslims.

A hypothetical US analogy might be a letter-to-staff circulated in daycare centers for federal employees, discussing the problem of toddlers who say rude things about "kuffar, hymies, non-Mormons, or goyim."

It's quite understandable that people would be upset at the apparent implication that minor LDS biases against non-Mormons, or the generalizations that a few ignorant Jews might make about Gentiles, are anywhere near as dangerous and offensive as the outright Muslim hatred towards infidels/Jews. But at the same time, it should also be relatively obvious, in this hypothetical US example, that the letter is not really intended to point fingers at Mormons or Jews.

733 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:15:08pm

re: #729 eaglewingz08

Oh, heck no!

As I said, I think he's becoming a "pancakanista."

(Last year, he was into chicken fingers.)

734 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:16:40pm

re: #727 sparrowlake

The Islamofascist takeover attempt is a new ballgame. We need social engineering tools to help stop the creeping invasion, and even the threat of state custody could be very useful. And yes it is dangerous to all of us, but so is defending their right to teach their children to subjugate or kill us.

What about Christians who teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell? Should those children be taken away from their parents? After all, homophobia is a "hate crime" in many places and such teachings might lead to future bullying and violence.

What if those Christians also refuse to teach their children about evolution?

You might say those teachings don't threaten our way of life but others might disagree.

My point is not to argue with you but to state that, no matter where you personally would draw the line, the question is where those in power would draw the line. I don't want the state to have the power to take away my children based on what I think or believe.

735 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:17:32pm

re: #730 sultan_knish

Muslims are never going to be held accountable in this way, particularly not within Muslim communities. Even if a lone social worker somewhere makes the attempt to do so, the result will be riots and violence followed by a quick retreat by the agency.
Such laws will primarily be used by social services bureaucrats to enforce control and conformity. The solution is not to hope that the bureaucracy crafted by liberals will be of any use against Islamofascism, but to create more space for individual freedoms to serve as protection.

When we said we would defend to the death others' right to disagree with us, did that include their right to violently and absolutely disagree with our right to exist unless we submit to them?
BTW, WTF does "create more space" mean in this context?

736 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:19:02pm

re: #730 sultan_knish

Agreed.

Social workers are not going to confront the Islamic community (even in blatant cases of abuse, or conspiracy). What they'll do, is use such laws to create conformity and obedience among their non-Moslem clients. (I've had to deal with social workers, and I'm pretty sure of this.)

We need more space for freedom.

737 Fasternu426  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:21:58pm

If it weren't for those brave souls 232 years ago, this would be our problem too. The 4th of July has an even grander meaning to me now, as I observe from afar how the former empire crumbles into mediocrity.

738 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:23:39pm

re: #731 TalkinKamel

With all due respect, Sparrowlake, this "whole new ballgame" argument is similar to what a lot of BNP/Vlaams Belang supporters have argued: it's all new, Islam changes everything, we've got to change the rules, and we've got to do it now!
Unfortunately, once the rules do change, they can be used against you, as well as against your enemies. The law of unintended consequences always goes into action, sooner or later.

I know that, TalkinKamel, and I am not suggesting concentration camps. I am suggesting that the Islamofascist schools should somehow be emptied, and we need to persuade the parents to pull their kids out of there. I am also suggesting that we cannot continue to close our eyes to the systemic child abuse being fostered and spread in the Islamofascist community - those children need to be saved not only for their own sakes, but for our children's sakes too.

739 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:27:07pm

re: #731 TalkinKamel

this "whole new ballgame" argument is similar to what a lot of BNP/Vlaams Belang supporters have argued: it's all new, Islam changes everything, we've got to change the rules, and we've got to do it now!

Unfortunately, once the rules do change, they can be used against you, as well as against your enemies. The law of unintended consequences always goes into action, sooner or later.

Great catch re the BNP/Vlaams Belang connection as to where this could go.

In my experience, kids all go through periods where they are very picky. I found that just ignoring it worked the best, and that ultimately my 4 all ended up eating just about anything...except for the lawyer. ;)

He is 41, and his siblings still tease him. Happily he has not made remarks to his daughter, who is 8, re this being yucky, that being worse...etc., re most veggies.

But daughter worries that it may be genetic, as her toddler also is a pill re veggies! ;) And uncle smirks.

740 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:27:37pm

re: #734 Josephine

What about Christians who teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell? Should those children be taken away from their parents? After all, homophobia is a "hate crime" in many places and such teachings might lead to future bullying and violence.

What if those Christians also refuse to teach their children about evolution?

You might say those teachings don't threaten our way of life but others might disagree.

My point is not to argue with you but to state that, no matter where you personally would draw the line, the question is where those in power would draw the line. I don't want the state to have the power to take away my children based on what I think or believe.

It is a truly horrible dilemma.

741 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:32:13pm

re: #719 TalkinKamel

An anti-Vegan?

That, too!

/Someone had better warn Whole Foods.

742 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:33:26pm

re: #740 sparrowlake

Agreed.

743 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:41:35pm

re: #739 NY Nana

Great catch re the BNP/Vlaams Belang connection as to where this could go.

Yes, yes, yes - I wholeheartedly agree that this is a deadly minefield.
It seems to me that we must nonetheless try to thread the needle, fight back and resist on all fronts, concede nothing to the bastards, and still cling to eachother and to our freedoms.

744 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:42:08pm

re: #724 TalkinKamel

If you think I'm misinterpreting you, explain, point by point how I am---don't just try to snark me into silence.

I have a much better idea, TK. You publicly apologize to me for this gross mischaracterization:


Okay, so, basically you're saying... that when said parents say things such as they don't like Pakistani food, or that some ethnic groups smell funny, they should be punished for hate crimes

...and if you're honest enough to do that, we can continue the discussion. But if not, I have nothing further to say to you on this matter, because lately I've had more than enough tsuris from people who posture as rational debaters while indulging in the most outlandish hyperbole.

745 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:50:27pm

re: #738 sparrowlake

"I am not suggesting concentration camps." Ok...but then you're talking about "social engineering" (hmm...as in re-education camps?), and the need to "save the children." I think a very similar line of reasoning has been used by governments in the past (look to the Canadian Native Residential school system; look to the Canada Japanese internment camps; internment of Ukrainians during WWI; Doukabours; etc. -- all examples, in varying degrees of abusiveness, of a State usurping boundaries and becoming excessively interventionist to the determent of its citizens' civil rights.)

746 jenv  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 2:57:07pm

re: #734 Josephine

What about Christians who teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell?


Some Christians might be teaching their children that homosexuals are going to hell, but Muslims teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell and that they (the Muslims) have the right to send them there. It's hardly similar.

747 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:03:46pm

re: #732 Throbert McGee

Oh, I see now! You mean that the "memo" was actually intended to address racism by Muslim toddlers who might refer to Africans as "blackie"...That's it? oookay...(You know, some of what I read from across the pond -- I find it's -- I don't know -- almost unbelievable. So, now we're to -- thanks to Political Correctness? -- not ever, ever say what we mean -- but always write in "code speech" and then let everybody just guess as to the actual meaning. Well, that's not, imo, a great endorsement for PC Speech...Let's just all speak plainly, shall we?)

748 nines09  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:07:11pm

You don't like apple pie? INFIDEL!

749 Wendya  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:13:03pm

re: #727 sparrowlake

The Islamofascist takeover attempt is a new ballgame. We need social engineering tools to help stop the creeping invasion, and even the threat of state custody could be very useful. And yes it is dangerous to all of us, but so is defending their right to teach their children to subjugate or kill us.

Personally, I wouldn't dream of dictating to every parent in the nation what they may or may not teach their children. We can't police all the kooks but we can hold them accountable for their actions when they infringe on the rights of others.

750 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:17:25pm

re: #745 J.S.

"I am not suggesting concentration camps." Ok...but then you're talking about "social engineering" (hmm...as in re-education camps?), and the need to "save the children." I think a very similar line of reasoning has been used by governments in the past (look to the Canadian Native Residential school system; look to the Canada Japanese internment camps; internment of Ukrainians during WWI; Doukabours; etc. -- all examples, in varying degrees of abusiveness, of a State usurping boundaries and becoming excessively interventionist to the determent of its citizens' civil rights.)

If the Islamofascist threat is indeed existential then none of your examples are applicable. In 1970 Pierre Trudeau invoked the War Measures Act 1970 in order to deal with what was believed to have been an existential threat to the country. In WWII Canada instituted a military draft to deal with an existential threat to the nation - a measure which removed the freedoms and lives of hundreds of thousands of young Canadians. During the American Civil War so many fine young soldiers gave their lives to deal with the existential threat to the nation. These are the kinds of examples that may be more analogous to the Islamofascist threat.

Of course if the threat is not existential then everything will probably be OK, so we really need not risk any of our liberties - instead, let's just HOPE for CHANGE.

751 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:18:31pm

Btw, speaking of taboo, racist words for certain minorities -- where one is most apt to hear, for example, the N word -- in Canada, it's typically expressed by natives to other natives...(that's native American Indians referring to each other with the "N" word). (Now just what are the social workers going to do about that, eh? re-educate them?)

752 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:24:33pm

Soooo... when does the mob drag the M.P.s and various bureaucratic heads into the streets and beat some sense into them?

Just wondering... doubt it will happen though imo they should pretty much turn out everyone involved in this sort of ludicrous behavior in the next election, if possible...

753 zickyzacky  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:25:10pm

YUK!

754 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:28:47pm

re: #746 jenv

Some Christians might be teaching their children that homosexuals are going to hell, but Muslims teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell and that they (the Muslims) have the right to send them there. It's hardly similar.

But which Muslims teach that? Not all Muslims.

Who would decide which Muslims would get to keep their children?

On what basis?

Hate crimes in Canada need only consist of the potential to one day cause emotional upset or actual harm; actual death threats are not necessary; proof of actual harm is not necessary.

Christians parents teaching their children that homosexuals will go to hell would qualify as a hate crime. Should the state be permitted to take their children away?

If not, then why should the state be permitted to take children from Muslim parents, even if those parents are teaching hatred?

Hatred is an emotion. Racism is an attitude. Should we legislate against emotions and attitudes? Will that eradicate them or will it just give the state the power to take away our liberty and our children?

755 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:29:49pm

re: #750 sparrowlake

Do you think that the neo-nazis (white supremacists) are an existential threat? (just curious) (also, btw, some of what Trudeau did is viewed as very, very problematic -- that is, Trudeau's response to the FLQ and invoking the War Measures' Act was over-kill...)

756 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:40:09pm

re: #754 Josephine

Wait a second here...There's the Criminal Code of Canada -- which designates (section 318 and 319) what constitutes "hate speech" -- and it's a relatively high standard. it's a criminal code offense to "advocate genocide, publicly incite hatred, or wilfully promote hatred". That criminal code specification should not be confused with the Human Rights Act...(if you're hauled before a Human Rights Tribunal and found "guilty" -- it is not "criminal". You can be fined or required to make an apology, etc., but you're not deemed a "criminal"). Here's an online guide...

757 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:44:55pm

re: #756 J.S.

btw, just read that link about "hate" and the Criminal Code. the information is out of date. The website alleges that hatred addressed against gays is not addressed. Actually in 2003, the section of the Criminal Code was expanded and now homosexuals are protected from "hate speech." (women are not protected.)

758 Wendya  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 3:50:08pm

The author of Young Children and Racial Justice, wrote about her book on the NCB website. This is how she ended her piece:

As Michelle Obama, wife of the US Democratic Presidential nominee, says: 'Real change comes from having enough comfort to be really honest and say something very uncomfortable.'

[Link: www.ncb.org.uk...]

Yeah, I'm sure this is an "honest" book about racism.

Not.

759 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:05:04pm

re: #756 J.S.

You're right.

I was talking about the Human Rights tribunals and commissions, not criminal law. As you rightly point out, the laws against hate speech are very specific, but the human rights rules for hate speech are much more flexible.

The commissions and tribunals are an arm of the government and derive their power from the government; in fact they have more discretion than a court of law, which makes their power more dangerous.

I am concerned that we might see a blurring of the distinctions between the two.

From this article:

"Child services says it's concerned the parent's conduct might endanger the emotional well-being of the children. It's also said the children may be at risk of harm because of the parent's associations.

"Experts have said it's the first time in years in Canada that children have been removed from their home due to the parents' beliefs."

Globe and Mail:

"Manitoba's child and family services agency, although it can't discuss the specifics of the case, says it is bound to intervene when a child's physical or emotional well-being is at risk.

"Court documents say the parent's conduct might endanger the emotional well-being of the children, and the children might be at risk because of the parent's behaviour and associations."

It will be interesting to see what happens. If her children are taken away permanently, I hope we will have access to the judge's decision. I'd like to see how "emotional harm" and "parent's behaviour and associations" might be defined.

760 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:07:26pm

re: #757 J.S.

btw, just read that link about "hate" and the Criminal Code. the information is out of date. The website alleges that hatred addressed against gays is not addressed. Actually in 2003, the section of the Criminal Code was expanded and now homosexuals are protected from "hate speech." (women are not protected.)

Women are protected, or not, based on their colour and/or sexuality.

Heterosexual white women are not protected from hate speech.

761 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:07:27pm

re: #734 Josephine

What about Christians who teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell?

Shoot—all fornicators go to hell, not just homosexuals, and so do liars and murderers and...

...but wait, what of St. Augustine (fornication)? St. Moses the Black (theft and murder)? St. Mary of Egypt (not much she didn't do)? Shall I go on?

"Let him that has no sin cast the first stone." seems to apply in this case.

But try to get some moonbat social worker to understand that...

762 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:09:27pm

re: #760 Josephine

Excellent point, Josephine!

763 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:15:29pm

re: #734 Josephine

What about Christians who teach their children that homosexuals are going to hell? Should those children be taken away from their parents?

No, they shouldn't be taken away from their parents, and in fact, as the saying goes, I disagree with what they are saying but I will defend to the death their freedom to say it. The only anti-homosexual position that I consider to be truly reprehensible and beyond the pale in civilized society is "I think it's okay to put people in jail for having consensual adult homo-sex in the privacy of their own homes ." But that is now a moot point because SCOTUS voided all such laws in Lawrence v. Texas.

To put it another way, sometimes Christians and other religious people (and for that matter, some non-religious people) will say things that I personally consider to be "homophobic." But so long as their homophobia "neither breaks my arm nor picks my pocket," I avoid making a big deal about it -- not only do I respect people's rights to hold opinions I disagree with, but I try to give other people the benefit of the doubt intellectually, and not assume that they themselves are STUPID just because their opinions may seem irrational to me.

On the other hand, I don't assume that conservative Christians (for example) are "homophobic" just because that's the accepted wisdom in the Gay Community -- "homophobic" is a label that I apply myself, but only cautiously, and only when I'm personally convinced based on evidence that someone truly has deep, ugly, irrational prejudices against homosexuals in general.

And I appreciate when other people treat me, and homosexuals in general, with the same basic courtesy. I am well aware that certain segments of the "gay community" ARE quite happy to break the arms (metaphorically) and pick the pockets (literally, via taxes) of fellow citizens who don't approve of homosexuality. And I am quite happy to take those segments of the GLBTQXYZ community to task for their misbehavior and hypocrisy, and I don't mind when non-GLBTQXYZers make fair objections to misbehavior by "my people."

764 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:16:42pm

re: #759 Josephine

I agree with your assessment about these Tribunals. A while ago I found a website (I've since lost it) about all the provisions (iirc, over a dozen) which these Tribunals abuse -- "the right to the presumption of innocence" for example; nearly every single provision which would be available to a defendant in an actual court of law is denied by these Tribunals (and yet, the Tribunals are called "human rights" tribunals -- what a misnomer there)...

765 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #761 David IV of Georgia

Yeah, but we have hate crime laws against homophobia; so far, none against lying and fornicating. (Give 'em time...)

766 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:31:56pm

re: #762 J.S.

re: #764 J.S.

Thank you, J.S.

767 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:35:49pm

re: #743 sparrowlake

Yes, yes, yes - I wholeheartedly agree that this is a deadly minefield.
It seems to me that we must nonetheless try to thread the needle, fight back and resist on all fronts, concede nothing to the bastards, and still cling to eachother and to our freedoms.

I got the article from a friend about an hour ago, and sent her this thread. She was livid when she first saw it, and sent it to me, as we agree on so many things.

If we do not fight back? Yet look at how fast even the people here in NY have 'forgotten' about 9/11...and today is 7/07 in the UK...the irony did not escape me.

Do they not know who was responsible?!?!?!?

768 Josephine  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:38:02pm

re: #763 Throbert McGee

Well said, Rob.

There are many Christians (including me) who believe that part of the Bible reflected the society in which it was written and was not the divine order of the Almighty.

769 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:56:03pm

re: #510 TalkinKamel

Actually, Wishbone, what we'd like is for the British NOT to curl up and die. Unfortunately, hearing about stuff like this is. . .. daunting, to say the least. These "educators" are messing up the heads of these poor kids, your future generations.

Liking, or not liking, curry, isn't the point here.

Well, go on and have fun. While you still can.

Oh for fuck's sake..........

TK....... have you ever been accused of being a realist?....... Somehow I doubt it.

Let me spell this out for you..... Any group who receives just 12 million of government funding per annum, indirect or otherwise, is nothing more than a fringe group at best. They can issue guidelines all they want, no one is going to give a toss either way if they just sound like a bunch of arseholes making it up as they go along. These idiot aren't 'educating' anybody. All they're doing is putting themselves in the sights of a whole bunch of parents who will (to employ a rather useful Americanism) 'fuck them up' if they even attempt to suggest that their toddlers are guilty of any crimes, latent or otherwise, on the basis of such a stupid theory. Such thinking is the stuff that even an idiotic government such as we have at present will distance itself from....... It's a loser from the very start.

You know why?..... Because..... Contrary to what you may believe, we're very attached to our kids....... And I tell you this..... Any fucker who thinks that they could even begin to criminalise my little girls because the turn their noses up at whatever dish is put in front of them is going to find that they have a very angry, and extremely vindictive, Wishbone hanging from their noses....... By the fucking teeth....... And that's just a bloody starter...... Their ears are going to be the main course.

And if you think that's bad enough, it's absolutely nothing compared to what their Mother will have in mind.

Liking, or not liking curry, was not the point. In that you're entirely correct. However, if you feel the need to point out the obvious in order to avoid the point I actually made, be my guest.

Also, let me tell you something...... I went off out to have fun because I bloody well can. I work hard enough to afford it and to deserve it, every once in a while. What the hell do you mean 'While I still can?'................ Who the fuck is going to stop me? Did you have someone in mind? 'Cos I can't think of anyone in their right mind right now who wants to try and tell me that I can't enjoy the fruits of my labours as I see fit and remain either mentally or physically intact as a result.

770 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:56:16pm

So disliking cockroaches and chilled monkey brains is racist too?

771 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:02:49pm

re: #755 J.S.

Do you think that the neo-nazis (white supremacists) are an existential threat? (just curious)

Nope, there are too few of 'em to be an existential threat at this time.

(also, btw, some of what Trudeau did is viewed as very, very problematic -- that is, Trudeau's response to the FLQ and invoking the War Measures' Act was over-kill...)

In hindsight, perhaps. But at the time he kicked the stinking asses of the Quebec terrorist separatists who had already killed and kidnapped political figures.

772 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:04:48pm

re: #769 Wishbone

Wishbone, it's not me you need to get angry at.

You need to get angry at the people who are taking 12 million of your hard-earned money to do this to kids---and they will do it, if they think they can get away with it.

I'm not the problem here. America isn't the problem here. We're not the ones who are going to interfere with your having fun.

773 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:06:21pm

re: #769 Wishbone

Incidentally....... Bonamassa blew the roof off the house....... Fantastic gig.

774 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:08:12pm

re: #744 Throbert McGee

Er, no apologies. I calls 'em as I sees 'em. That was the way I read your post.

Again, don't try to snark me, or browbeat me into just shutting up and agreeing.

775 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:10:47pm

If Manitoba's child welfare agency actually gave a SHIT about children they would stop their policy of putting Aboriginal children back with their abusive relatives or their drunken abusive, drug addicted parents JUST because they are Aboriginal-taking them away from loving white, foster parents where they die cruel deaths all in the name of political correctness. G-d forbid you say-hey, these white regular Canadians make better parents than the drug addicts on the reserve, or the 3rd cousin on the reserve. It's disgusting.

776 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:11:30pm

re: #738 sparrowlake

I know you weren't suggesting concentration camps. And I agree that parents should yank kids out of Islamofacist schools.

But, once you give the government the power to start taking kids wholeale from parents, you really will find yourself on a very slipper slope.

777 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:11:56pm

re: #775 WriterMom

Agreed!

778 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:13:13pm

re: #772 TalkinKamel

I'm not getting angry........ That's your presumption.

I am, however, defending my way of life to someone who should be taking my freedoms for granted as they do their own, yet somehow TK you seem unable to conceive the notion that we in Britain may not be so different from you in many ways.

Certainly you, or America for that matter, are not the cause of Britain's problems. You do, however, seem to have no ability to conceive of a life in Britain beyond that of the oppressed, which is far from the truth.

779 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:22:51pm

re: #776 TalkinKamel

I know you weren't suggesting concentration camps. And I agree that parents should yank kids out of Islamofacist schools.
But, once you give the government the power to start taking kids wholeale from parents, you really will find yourself on a very slipper slope.

Yes.
So no wholesale.
And lots of sand and salt for the slope.

780 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:23:40pm

Wishbone, it's not me you need to defend your way of life to. And it's not America. I think your anger is misplaced.

I don't think all of Britain is oppressed, but I think it's in for a very bad time, if it continues on its present course. And stories like this don't inspire much hope. This is, after all, your school system, your kids. Hopefully, the parents will get angry---but I think they'd better do it soon.

(By the way---I don't take your freedoms for granted. I don't take my freedoms for granted either---because if you take freedom for granted, you lose it.)

781 sparrowlake  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:28:02pm

re: #775 WriterMom

If Manitoba's child welfare agency actually gave a SHIT about children they would stop their policy of putting Aboriginal children back with their abusive relatives or their drunken abusive, drug addicted parents JUST because they are Aboriginal-taking them away from loving white, foster parents where they die cruel deaths all in the name of political correctness. G-d forbid you say-hey, these white regular Canadians make better parents than the drug addicts on the reserve, or the 3rd cousin on the reserve. It's disgusting.

Yes, they should be putting the best interests of the children ahead of the wishes of the parents.
Just like the Children's Aid Societies need to do for the poor little abused Islamofascist kids.

782 J.S.  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:32:04pm

re: #775 WriterMom

Notice also the assumption (I think it's a racist assumption) from the "National Children's Bureau" about how it's only "racist" if children “react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying ‘yuk’”. In other words, the National Children's Bureau assumes that only Pakistani children eat curry dishes; only white British kids eat steak and kidney pie; only Chinese/Japanese children eat rice; etc. As if all food preferences were "racially" or culturally determined. Or, in other words, the nursery school teachers need to first of all determine the child's "race"/"culture" (based on what? physical features of the child), and then assess a child's "negative" reaction to a food as "racist."

783 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:38:10pm

re: #780 TalkinKamel

Again, TK, get off this 'Wishbone is angry' train. There's nothing to misplace.

Britain has been headed for a bad time since 1997 and it's coming to a head.

And yet again........ The NCB is an indirectly government funded organisation....... No different than a whole shed load of other useless government funded organisations. They all have their little axes to grind, or opinions to spout, but none of them have the clout to institute legislative measures. You have a point in that I certainly could think of better places to spend the money than keeping idiot associations like this going, but as for them dictating policy?........ Forget it.

Perhaps stories like this would hold more hope for you in future if you looked beyond what the article presents for your consumption and ask how actual Brits actually feel about it........ Or indeed if there is more...... or less...... to the article than meets the eye.

784 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 5:59:22pm

I hate sushi.

/Does that makes me a sushist?

785 lazypadawan  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 6:15:53pm
And yet again........ The NCB is an indirectly government funded organisation....... No different than a whole shed load of other useless government funded organisations. They all have their little axes to grind, or opinions to spout, but none of them have the clout to institute legislative measures. You have a point in that I certainly could think of better places to spend the money than keeping idiot associations like this going, but as for them dictating policy?........ Forget it.

Yeah, but we're seeing stuff like this all of the time. Just a few days ago, two boys were suspended from school because they refused to play Muslim and pray to a god they do not believe in. If the people are unhappy about this creeping sharia, why don't they do anything about it?

786 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 6:47:18pm

re: #785 lazypadawan

Yes, you do see stuff like this all the time. Yet so far, has any of the available data been subject to deeper analysis, above and beyond the base subject matter of said article? In my experience, any such considerations tend to fall by the wayside in favour of ill thought, often downright rude, comments upon the degree of 'how fucked Britain is' or 'How Britains are bowing to their Islamic overlords' or some such.

I have no idea why this should be such a consistently stupid pastime for a good many but, should you care to venture a theory, I'm all ears.

I'll answer your question with another question, as cliche as that is, based on your sample subject: People were more than unhappy with the case in Alsager, where those boys were reprimanded. They did something about it. They raised an unholy stink and it made national news. International, seeing as we're discussing it.

What else would you have a bunch of parents do? Torches and pitchforks, marching on the school?

787 Wishbone  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 6:53:52pm

re: #786 Wishbone

Incidentally, before I retire for the night, my conscience demands that I mention the many good souls here who speak for my nation. They know who they are and I tell them this:

If ever I find myself stuck behind a wall somewhere, waiting for the shit to hit the fan, you're very welcome to bloody well join me there........ 'cos I know our guns will all be pointing in the same direction......

...... And it would be damn rude of me not to invite you all to the party.

788 rc  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 6:57:00pm

This is where we are headed in this country...where Canada and England (no longer Great Britain) are now. BTW, just as a thought experiment, do you think toddlers lacking sufficient pigmentation may be the only ones who might have the gentically determined, racist tendencies that this program is designed to avert? Because I doubt the brilliant, sensitive, caring and inclusive authors of this 'guidance' think that babies with 'sufficent pigmentation' have any inate racist tendencies, thus, these warnings can never, as a matter of physiology, apply to them. Please flame me if you need to.

789 Barb42  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #143 Russkilitlover

You need to go out this minute and get yourself a chili rellano!

Actually, I think they are going to send me to a re-education camp. I wonder if I can smuggle in some Tums. Or would that be soft racism.

790 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:28:31pm

re: #72 pat

Britain has gone well beyond the Nanny State. It has become a bizarre tyranny, where authorities would rather arrest the victims than the criminals. There seems to be a huge disconnect between the electorate and the politicians, between the Judiciary and the citizens. This seems to be happening in Democracies throughout the Western world. The electorate for whatever reason, votes in candidates that do not reflect national opinion or values.

Three-year olds are just within the power of the Nanny State to outsmart. They don't car-bomb the prosecutor's home. They don't whistle up a mob by text message when the coppers ask to speak to them about a complaint. They don't wait years to get even. They don't even keep their mouth shut so as to fly under the radar of the PC brigades.

791 FredWM  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:36:48pm

I say it's Broccoli and I say the hell with it !

792 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 8:12:23pm

re: #765 Josephine

Yeah, but we have hate crime laws against homophobia; so far, none against lying and fornicating. (Give 'em time...)

"We" who? "We" where?

793 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 8:18:14pm

re: #769 Wishbone

TK....... have you ever been accused of being a realist?....... Somehow I doubt it.

You are a discerning reader, wishbone, and I've just given your post an up-ding for it.

TK is an imaginative and funny writer, but she sometimes gets much too caught up and carried away in her own whimsical exaggerations, and I wish she would step back, cool down, and re-think what she's saying.

794 Siscoe  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 8:40:37pm

Count this one Canadian who . . . currently . . . is adopting from Ethiopia, and will shortly be adopting inside Canada. We're hoping for a Native child.

This politically correct stuff is complete, total BS. The Brits who are allowing this should be slapped with a little common sense. If it were my kids, I'd yank them out of the room faster than you can say 'allahu akbar'.

795 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 8:42:43pm

re: #504 Ford_Prefect

I once had a black man tell me that it was not possible for black people to be racist since they were in the minority. Only people in the majority can be racist. I was speechless.

Well, he was a very stupid man, then.

But I once had a black buddy tell me he hates that "black people can't be racist" bullshit, because black people obviously can be all kinds of racist against Koreans, against Hispanics, against blacks of the "wrong" skin tone, against blacks who were actually born and raised in Africa before immigrating to America, etc. And, yes, blacks can even be racist against white people.

Here's the crucial point that people get mixed up on, though: Black racism against whites can't possibly have the same kind of whip-hurtful sting as white racism against blacks, because whites, as a group, have not historically been made to feel like subhumans compared to blacks. Sure, you can dig up rare examples of Afro-centric maniacs railing against the "inferior" whites, who are melanin-deprived Ice People, or some such jive. But MOST blacks in America have not internalized the message of white inferiority; and most whites don't believe in white inferiority, either, despite the dumb jokes about white people having no rhythm or "soul" or jumping ability.

But the converse is not true, because many blacks and many whites HAVE internalized the old racist message of black inferiority, to varying degrees, and expressed in many different ways. (With the most common and subtle expression of it, these days, being the famous "soft bigotry of low expectations.")

796 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:00:02pm

I might add, to continue a train of thought from my post #795:

Just as "honky" and "cracker" are not and cannot be quite as hurtful as "n!gger," for the reasons I explained in that post, so it goes for shiksa and shaygetz (rude Yiddish words that some Jews use for Gentiles), which don't have the venomous sting of "k!ke," even though they would theoretically seem to be just as nasty.

And "breeder," a disgusting word used by certain low-brow homosexuals as a slur for heterosexuals, inevitably lacks the oomph of "faggot" (by which I mean the American pejorative for men who like to XOXOXO other men, not the respectable British term for a type of sausage).

797 american jewess in jerusalem  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:23:09pm

re: #795 Throbert McGee

You drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

798 Marvo76  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:24:00pm

Be Afraid, be VERY afraid, this is a government agency trying to reprogram the taste buds (and Minds) of kids, to CONFORM to to a new TOLERANCE, that will be dictated to them at the hands of those in control. Parenting 101 with all with the subtleness of the third Reich...

799 TalkinKamel  Mon, Jul 7, 2008 10:15:45pm

re: #783 Wishbone

Well, if you're not angry, you're certainly doing a good imitation of it.

We have a links section here. If, indeed, British citizens are reacting against this sort of thing, why not post the articles about that there? After all, you're over there, you certainly have more access to what's being reported over there than we do. If there is stuff going on we don't know about, link to it, or direct us to the right website.

If there is widespread resistance, why not link to these stories there? Or include links to articles in your posts.

800 Jim C.  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 1:06:27am
Nurseries are encouraged to report as many incidents as possible to their local council. The guide added: "Some people think that if a large number of racist incidents are reported, this will reflect badly on the institution. In fact, the opposite is the case."

If that doesn't scare you, nothing will.

801 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 5:13:46am

re: #799 TalkinKamel

TK, do you have a need to believe that my responses are made in anger? I've already dismissed that notion for you. I may be passionate in my response, but I've never yet met an American that didn't share the same passion for expression of views, so why should my passion be dismissed arbitrarily as base anger? I could almost believe that you need me to be angry in order for you to formulate your responses accordingly. As I said, get off the angry train....... It ain't running from this station.

As far as the links section goes, there are roughly two types of links posted for any one subject article: Those from national news outlets, or those from bloggers covering the same story. I tend not to bother with most of the blog links, because it's as sure as night follows day that the tone of the article will simply follow the path of least analysis and spout the same echoing rhetoric that I condemn here. I say most, as there are those few who do at times bother to go beyond superficial scrutiny and take a closer look, but I've long ceased to bother wasting my time rummaging around in the dross looking for them.

Our national media is a much better look at the attitudes concerning the reported subject matter. You do realise that our online newspapers have reader comments sections? Have you ever read through them and tried to guage the extent of feeling amongst our people? You have just as much access to these comments sections as I do, so why not read them for yourself and see if you can get a view of how we feel.

The problem with what you propose TK, is that you feel I should post a magic link, to a magic website, that will explain it all for you. Well..... There isn't one. There is no link to prove that, as a nation of parents, we aren't stupid. What the group in the article above proposes is ludicrous and I'd go so far to say that anyone suggesting to most parents I know that their child be a racist based on such a barmy formula, would best be proposing such from a fair distance. Another problem with what you're saying is that you base your thinking upon the assumption that, no matter how stupid the proposal, by whichever government funded quango proposes it, then we Brits are so stupid that we accept it as the law of the land. No one is going to argue that such proposals are ridiculous, but at least allow us the possibility that, not being stupid, we view them with the same disdain that you do.

It's easy to say that I should bring attention to evidence of resistance to such nutjob proposals, but evidence of resistant attitudes toward such are plentiful in readers comment sections, private blogs and certainly in the minds of most Brits. As I said, we're not stupid and we know stupid when we see it, so why assume that stupid is where we start from and it just goes downhill from there? It's not my job to think for the idiots on these threads whose only nod in the direction of original thought and objective analysis is skimming the article and announcing that we Brits, as a nation, are devoid of any manner of common sense and dispossessed of any ability to name stupidity as we see it. I will, however, have no problem telling such idiots what I think of their regurgitations.

No TK....... I don't need to post links to make people analyse the subject matter more deeply. That's entirely up to them. That they choose not to speaks volumes more about either their inability, or their reluctance, to think beyond their own prejudices or preconceived notions of the British character, than it does about the British people.

802 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 8:02:28am

re: #763 Throbert McGee

But I do like this post. Well said.

803 Ezekiel2517  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 9:12:13am

Better train your toddlers not to act suspiciously racist in nursery school, or the secret police might be paying you a visit.

Oh and with all the cameras that are everywhere now, it's best to wear a pleasant bland expression at all times.

Have a mandatory nice day.

804 J.S.  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 9:40:32am

On one level I really don't give a rat's a--ss about what's happening in Britain. It simply doesn't matter. And the UK is a sovereignty with its own history, culture, politics, etc. If they want to suck up to Arab potentates, kow-tow to vicious thugs and dictators, while simultaneously defaming and attacking with gusto the United States of America, Israel, etc., that's their business.

Where there begins to be a "problem" is when (ok I consider Britain to be infected -- like a disease) Brits spread their noxious beliefs over here...that would be through such entities as the odious BBC. Last night was also a prime example. I turned on (and had the horror of watching for about 15 minutes) a PBS program. It was about WWII. The thesis of said program? Why, of course, that Germans were the "victims" of the nazi regime, and the "bad guys" (as ruthless and as bloodthirsty, etc, as the nazis) were, of course, the Americans. And, then, this historical revisionism (the narrator also alleged that the Battle of Stalingrad was not -- I repeat -- was not the "turning point of the war" -- O No! -- not when the entire Germany army was routed by Russians at Stalingrad -- heaven forfend -- it was another battle entirely. And, Auschwitz -- as the narrator stood amidst the "facilities", he then announced that the killing of Jews was merely due -- it was as a consequence -- of the need for Germans to "survive." yes, indeedy. Because, according to this odious, filthy narrator, killing Jews was better than being shipped off to Russia, hence Germans murdered Jews. That was the "thesis" of this filthy program. And the "narrator"? Need I say -- he was British -- and spoke with that accent. (If this were a "one off" or some isolated incident, one could probably write it off -- but this isn't a "one of kind" occurrence. it's routine. I find there's a kind of calculus -- the extent and degree to which the Brits cower in abject fear of Muslims, and pay homage to said entities, the more they beat up on Americans, Jews, etc. I couldn't help also but notice that the "narrator" of the program when defaming Americans during WWII (claiming Americans employed the same techniques and tactics as nazis, and that it was not a "just" war at all), said all of this with a moral fervor, a shrill voice -- a kind of moral intensity (suggesting the fervency of this fellow's beliefs -- that is, that Americans were the evil nazis, and the Germans the innocent "victims") -- and this complete moral reversal/inversion of reality, yet all stated with a kind of moral "outrage." It reminded me so much of Islamists. Anyway, end of spiel...

805 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 9:59:40am

re: #804 J.S.

Need I say -- he was British -- and spoke with that accent.

Hehe...... Oh, so that's indicative then is it?

I find there's a kind of calculus -- the extent and degree to which the Brits cower in abject fear of Muslims..........

You don't know anything about we Brits or Britain then. You're obviously not stupid J.S........ Why start from a position of ignorance when you're putting together a good rant?

Waste of a rant...................

806 scullymj  Tue, Jul 8, 2008 12:27:37pm

Just one question, are the little darling moslem pre-schoolers being fed unfamiliar foreign food (British food) and will they be branded racists upon blaring out "Yuk!"?


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