Big Franklin is watching you.

Crap

I'm listening to the new album by Judas Priest, Nostradamus. It F*'in rocks.

Look where I am going in August. Jealous much?

That's why he's on the $100

It is hot here. Probably like 80 or so.

The Obama will now work by watching you all fill sandbags.

Alright,open thread! I can say anything that I want.
Ah ,er , ah, well maybe later.

Lileks smacks down enviro-drones and Garrison Keillor. Plus, picture of him (Lileks) as a kid at camp!

The eye of the Stevie Wonder will do more work than both of Obama's hands

Sounds like Masonic rhetoric... and B.F. had a hand in the evil plans!

/conspiracy nutjobbery

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Look where I am going in August. Jealous much?

That city belongs to the Palestinians, and you damn well know it.

/

I posted this yesterday during a dead period. Great clip of WWII P-47 Thunderbolts in action.

re: #10 Shug

The eye of the Stevie Wonder will do more work than both of Obama's hands

How dare you blaspheme against the Lightworker. His miracles are well known. He once cured a ham!

re: #12 Occasional Reader

Not anymore, my imperialistic buddies took it. So there! Now I am going to help the occupation. So there again!

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How dare you blaspheme against the Lightworker. His miracles are well known. He once cured a ham!

LOL

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He once cured a ham!

And he made a blind man lame!

Anyone know when the first Obama/McCain debate is going to happen?

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How dare you blaspheme against the Lightworker. His miracles are well known. He once cured a ham!

and heeled a dog

re: #6 rawmuse

It is hot here. Probably like 80 or so.

Oh, hush. It's 94 here, feels like 98.

;) Do you have A/C?

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Anyone know when the first Obama/McCain debate is going to happen?

Never if Barry O. has his way.

re: #18 Killgore Trout

That's a joke right? Obam'uh refuses to debate McCain

re: #17 Occasional Reader

And he made a blind man lame!

And he heeled a dog.

re: #19 Shug

and heeled a dog

SILENCE!

re: #20 gop_patriot

Oh, hush. It's 94 here, feels like 98.

;) Do you have A/C?

No. Never have. You seldom need it here.

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SILENCE!

I KEEEEELLL YOU!

re: #22 WrathofG-d

When to the first debates usually happen? I thought we'd see one by now.

Human foot found in shoe.

I would be surprised if it was something other than a human foot, but that's just me.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

When to the first debates usually happen? I thought we'd see one by now.

Probably right after the conventions, when they stop calling them the 'presumptive' nominees.

Good thing it wasn't donuts!

Kids and Happiness

Sociologists are discovering that children may not make parents happier and that childless adults, contrary to popular stereotypes, may often be more contented than people with kids.

Parents "definitely experienced more depression," says Robin Simon, a sociologist at Florida State University who has studied data on parenting.

"Part of our cultural beliefs is that we derive all this joy from kids," says Simon. "It's really hard for people who don't feel this to admit it." Social pressures to view only the positive aspects of child rearing only make the problem worse, she says. "They're afraid to admit it because it runs so counter to our cultural beliefs that children make you happy."

I could have told you that.

re: #28 rawmuse

Human foot found in shoe.

I would be surprised if it was something other than a human foot, but that's just me.

I just found two of my own in the same condition.

re: #5 Shug

That's why he's on the $100

Shug -

You beat me to it in concept - my words were - "Franklin - Right on the Money."

-S-

re: #29 CyanSnowHawk

Ah.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Right wing radio states that Obam'uh has refused to debate. I don't know if there is a usual "debat season".

re: #35 WrathofG-d

Right wing radio states that Obam'uh has refused to debate. I don't know if there is a usual "debat season".

We could use one, too many moonbats around these parts.

re: #3 CyanSnowHawk

Agreed.

20 minutes till class is over and I get to watch Farscape. Finally got my DVDs back.

re: #25 rawmuse

No. Never have. You seldom need it here.

Lucky. :) Actually, it's hot here, but not nearly as hot as it will get as summer goes on. No big deal, I'm used to it.

I spent one summer in San Diego; the ocean breezes were so awesome! Even in Julian where I was staying, the weather was just so nice. When it rained, it misted. *sigh*

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Kids and Happiness

I could have told you that.

I generally think sociologists are full of crap.

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

You got me. I messed up with the typing. Too much going on here. Trying to set a itinerary for my Israel trip.

re: #13 jorline

The Greatest Generation.

Thanks for that.

re: #39 gop_patriot

Lucky. :) Actually, it's hot here, but not nearly as hot as it will get as summer goes on. No big deal, I'm used to it.

I spent one summer in San Diego; the ocean breezes were so awesome! Even in Julian where I was staying, the weather was just so nice. When it rained, it misted. *sigh*

That's practically a downpour out here.

As an ambassador, it is said BF had quite an eye ......... for the ladies. And that's not all.

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Lileks is a great read. I especially liked the part about Keillor's "glacial self regard."

What happened to the changes Congress promised a year and a half ago when they took control?

The MSM can make fun of Bush's approval ratings all they want...but there not single digit.

re: #44 J'accuzzi

As an ambassador, it is said BF had quite an eye ......... for the ladies. And that's not all.

Likely had his hands on a few as well.

re: #31 Killgore Trout
Ha. Kids are hard work but I didn't think they made you depressed.

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Look where I am going in August. Jealous much?

Wow, yes :) Hope you enjoy it WoG.

re: #46 jorline

What happened to the changes Congress promised a year and a half ago when they took control?

They got what they wanted and figured the public fell for it once, they'll fall for it next time.

A German court on Tuesday convicted a young Turkish man and a Greek youth of attempted murder and handed them severe prison sentences for a brutal attack on a pensioner in a Munich subway station.

SNIP

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I don't derive all my joy from my kids; I LOVE them. I take care of them, protect them, and enjoy being with them.

It is a relationship, and even though there is an aspect of motherly instinct in most of us to want to do these things, like other relationships, it takes work!

re: #48 snowcrash

I think it goes along with the stress. I don't know how people live with those things in their houses.

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Look where I am going in August. Jealous much?

I was there in February. I missed the heat, but you'll miss the rain.

re: #49 Thanos

Yes I am very excited. Trying to figure out what to see when I am there. I have done all the normal tourist places so now I am trying to figure some other interesting things to do.

re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

That's practically a downpour out here.

It was like walking through a cloud. :) So nice.

re: #13 jorline

I posted this yesterday during a dead period. Great clip of WWII P-47 Thunderbolts in action.

Excellent, loved it. P-47D is my favorite WW-II bird. That big fat bomb truck was a hot machine.

re: #54 Alouette

yea. that is all i hear; "its going to be sooooo hot". Just an excuse to go to the beaches there I guess.

re: #45 guitardalek

Lileks is a great read. I especially liked the part about Keillor's "glacial self regard."

And he nails him on that "grim business of what you do for a living" thing. Stereotypical rich liberal attitude. "You poor worker bees! I feel such pity for you."

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They got what they wanted and figured the public fell for it once, they'll fall for it next time.

I stated this before...Obama is nothing more than a 30 second infomercial and people are buying it!

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I think it goes along with the stress. I don't know how people live with those things in their houses.

"things"?

re: #53 Killgore Trout
I am in the middle of a 30 hr road trip with 2 of them! Mobile broadband is working well on I40 outside Nashville.

re: #4 WrathofG-d

cool but i like the weather better in Jerusalem in the early spring
aug is still too hot.

re: #55 WrathofG-d

Yes I am very excited. Trying to figure out what to see when I am there. I have done all the normal tourist places so now I am trying to figure some other interesting things to do.

I saw this the other day, but you are more likely to want historic places.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

If you haven't stopped by Yad Mordecai, it's a place I would visit.

this anti semite is all over the web, not just obama, he was also on ron paul sites, international socialist (trotskite sites) the only thing they all have in common is the ablality to mine anti semites.

hitler rose hitler fell anti semites like [Link: [Link: www.nogw.com...]...]
can go to hell.

re: #54 Alouette

I was there in February. I missed the heat, but you'll miss the rain.

Things? Like they are a punishment or something?
;-)

re: #62 snowcrash

I am in the middle of a 30 hr road trip with 2 of them! Mobile broadband is working well on I40 outside Nashville.

Posting and driving?

re: #57 jcm

Excellent, loved it. P-47D is my favorite WW-II bird. That big fat bomb truck was a hot machine.

P-51 for me. "Cadillac of the skies!"

re: #57 jcm

Excellent, loved it. P-47D is my favorite WW-II bird. That big fat bomb truck was a hot machine.

I think the Columbian Army still uses the P-47F...extra fuel tanks on the end of the wings.

I loved the P-51 Mustang.

re: #66 jcm

Things? Like they are a punishment or something?
;-)

Sorry wrong reply to.... that was for KT.

re: #55 WrathofG-d

Yes I am very excited. Trying to figure out what to see when I am there. I have done all the normal tourist places so now I am trying to figure some other interesting things to do.

Not doing a tour? Seeing family?

Speaking of war planes, I rented this movie. Not new (1998) but really excellent. It is not fiction, but a fictionalized movie of this story was later made, called Rescue Dawn.

If you watch the movie, please tell me how in hell that guy maintained an optimistic outlook. He seemed like the nicest man.

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Kids and Happiness

I could have told you that.

Nieces and nephews rock! Got them in all ages, shapes, sizes and personalities and they all think of me as their waaaayyyyy cool aunt!

re: #68 Occasional Reader

P-51 for me. "Cadillac of the skies!"

And it was even better when they put the Rolls-Royce engine in it.

re: #73 Russkilitlover

Nieces and nephews rock! Got them in all ages, shapes, sizes and personalities and they all think of me as their waaaayyyyy cool aunt!

(Oh, and....er.....it's the only time I've EVER been considered "cool.")

re: #40 Occasional Reader

I generally think sociologists are full of crap.

Ditto.re: #69 jorline

I think the Columbian Army still uses the P-47F...extra fuel tanks on the end of the wings.

I loved the P-51 Mustang.

There's one at a the airport about a mile from here -- I will see the owner taking her for a spin over the neighborhood occasionally. Beautiful sight.

One day a B-17 flew over our house shortly after takeoff. Big ass plane.

re: #51 MandyManners

That's supposed to pass for a "severe" sentence?

45 to Life is a severe sentence. That's a joke...

re: #64 Thanos

That crater looks great. I am thinking of checking out the Bahai Gardens also. Ever been?

Well, see y'all later.

re: #71 marjoriemoon

Seeing family for 2 weeks. No tours, just me the sig-nif other and a car.

re: #76 Lucius Septimius

There's one at a the airport about a mile from here -- I will see the owner taking her for a spin over the neighborhood occasionally. Beautiful sight.

One day a B-17 flew over our house shortly after takeoff. Big ass plane.

Here is a shot of some B-17 nose art I took at a Chino Airshow a few years back.

re: #25 rawmuse

No. Never have. You seldom need it here.

The micro-climates in the Bay Area confuse people.

re: #40 Occasional Reader

I generally think sociologists are full of crap.

But childless sociologists are even more full of crap.

re: #82 debutaunt

The micro-climates in the Bay Area confuse people.

San Diego too. Just who is Coastal Eddy anyway?

re: #39 gop_patriot

Lucky. :) Actually, it's hot here, but not nearly as hot as it will get as summer goes on. No big deal, I'm used to it.

I spent one summer in San Diego; the ocean breezes were so awesome! Even in Julian where I was staying, the weather was just so nice. When it rained, it misted. *sigh*

One of San Diego's claim to fame - year round 70 degrees. It's mostly true! I'm so spoiled I can't live anywhere else. I encourage ALL of you to move here and give it a try.........pretty please? The SD housing market sure needs some umph.

re: #81 CyanSnowHawk

Here is a shot of some B-17 nose art I took at a Chino Airshow a few years back.

Looks like a B-25. But still a nice mascot. Rrrrowwww.

re: #40 Occasional Reader

I generally think sociologists are full of crap.

I think it's correlation, not causation.

re: #69 jorline

I think the Columbian Army still uses the P-47F...extra fuel tanks on the end of the wings.

I loved the P-51 Mustang.

Everyone likes the P-52. I'm a contrarian! P-47 for me.

I like the Hawker Sea Fury, it just missed the big show.

For shear beauty, the XF-12 Rainbow is near the top of the list.

Another one that never saw production was the blended wing XP-67 Bat.

re: #76 Lucius Septimius

I saw a thing on the world's best, baddest fighter aircraft on |Discovery channel some time ago.

The P-51 was #1.

re: #82 debutaunt

The micro-climates in the Bay Area confuse people.

Tell me about it. Years ago I was staying with my cousin in Oakland. It was about 95 degrees. We were going to a game at Candlestick -- it was 60 degrees over there and dipped below 50 by the time the game ended (night game).

re: #86 Lucius Septimius

The true code pink

re: #86 Lucius Septimius

Looks like a B-25. But still a nice mascot. Rrrrowwww.

Whoops, linked to the wrong shot. Now where did I put the B-17 shots?

So, I just got back from a trip to Chicago for the long weekend. I must say that I'm not sure I buy that there is this recession that the media wants to portray. The airport in Seattle the day I left for Chicago was packed. The flight was completely full. So, it's clear people are still traveling by plane. Granted it was 4th of July weekend, but the airfares are really not impacting traveling that much. I left early Monday morning. The airport was packed full of people. And these were generally people entering the airport as opposed to people switching planes. The bars and restaurants that I went by were completely full of people the entire weekend. I went with friends to a fair in Northern Illinois. The parking lot was full. From what I observed people were spending quite a bit of money. I saw a movie over the weekend and the theater was filled.

I will admit that what I saw was just a microcosm. And, I don't doubt that there may be more people than usual having difficulty. But I see people spending money in so many places that it makes me think that the media wants to report a recession. I'm not convinced that it reflects reality though.

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

Was that an outhouse scored next to the two ship sinkings?

re: #89 WhiteRasta

I saw a thing on the world's best, baddest fighter aircraft on |Discovery channel some time ago.

The P-51 was #1.

With good reason. It was an engineering marvel.

re: #90 Lucius Septimius

Tell me about it. Years ago I was staying with my cousin in Oakland. It was about 95 degrees. We were going to a game at Candlestick -- it was 60 degrees over there and dipped below 50 by the time the game ended (night game).

There are some years where our heaviest use of the home heating system is in May and June. (not sarcasm)

re: #74 CyanSnowHawk

The Corsair F4U-1D and the P-38 Lightning. Two of my favorite WWII planes.

re: #88 jcm

Here is the sound of a p-47 starting up.

Ahhh, the P-51 is by far, my favorite WWII fighter, followed by the F-4F.

Bombers, nothing like a B-17...I had two family members fly those in the war - one was a bombardier and the other a waist gunner.

re: #94 jaunte

Was that an outhouse scored next to the two ship sinkings?

That's what it looks like. I didn't get the story behind that, but I imagine it's probably pretty funny.

re: #93 Dahveed

All doom and gloom here with my local paper. One would wonder if they might be a bit out of touch with reality as the tourist business people report record numbers and there are lines in nearly every store you go into.

Hmmm, but what do I know. They just tell me my house lost 11% in value and I must be destitute and can't pay my bills.

re: #28 rawmuse

In British Columbia the locals have come across (on different occasions and locations) human feet (washed up onto the shore). One of the reports, however, turned out to be a "hoax." A woman spotted what appeared to be a running shoe with a foot inside. Forensics did an investigation and discovered that the foot was that of a dog (not a human foot). (People are now wondering about this "hoaxer". What a sicko that person must be...Here's a link.).

re: #93 Dahveed

People respond to the media. The media plays up an economic crises, then when asked if they are worried they say yes.

The media reporting of doom and gloom is predictable in an election cycle, an (R) is in the WH, to help the (D) win the economy is therefore bad.

re: #87 goddessoftheclassroom

I think it's correlation, not causation.

Show us the Bell Curve.

re: #80 WrathofG-d

Seeing family for 2 weeks. No tours, just me the sig-nif other and a car.

Most excellent. They'll tell you where to go. You can hook up with guys who give private tours. Maybe a day tour into the mountains. A little more costly, but well worth it.

You can also get into a dig which is a blast (har har....). They let you keep some pottery pieces, too. Maybe you'll find the ark!

re: #90 Lucius Septimius

Tell me about it. Years ago I was staying with my cousin in Oakland. It was about 95 degrees. We were going to a game at Candlestick -- it was 60 degrees over there and dipped below 50 by the time the game ended (night game).

You must bring along your ski parka to Giants games.

re: #98 Ojoe

Here is the sound of a p-47 starting up.

Big radial piston engine! Sweetest sound!

I was sitting at home while back, heard a bunch of pistons, rushed outside a flight of 3 B-17s was going over. They were in Seattle for the 60th Anniversary of the B-17.

re: #93 Dahveed

I live in a small city, about 50,000 people (not sure if that number includes the tourists). The streets are full of traffic, the stores are full of people, restaurants are full, the lakes are full of people driving huge boats which they pull with huge trucks, people are even coming to the track (horses) in off-season for the gaming room.

I don't see much of a recession here, either.

re: #102 J.S.

In British Columbia the locals have come across (on different occasions and locations) human feet (washed up onto the shore). One of the reports, however, turned out to be a "hoax." A woman spotted what appeared to be a running shoe with a foot inside. Forensics did an investigation and discovered that the foot was that of a dog (not a human foot). (People are now wondering about this "hoaxer". What a sicko that person must be...Here's a link.).

Some think that the feet could be from a plane wreck that are drifting in from far away. Pretty morbid.

re: #107 jcm

The sound of freedom in this case.

re: #110 Ojoe

The sound of freedom in this case.

That's what I called the jet noise when I lived near the flight path for Miramar Naval Air Station in San Diego.

re: #97 Bubblehead II

The Corsair F4U-1D and the P-38 Lightning. Two of my favorite WWII planes.

Damn! Missed a link.

re: #76 Lucius Septimius

There's one at a the airport about a mile from here -- I will see the owner taking her for a spin over the neighborhood occasionally. Beautiful sight.

One day a B-17 flew over our house shortly after takeoff. Big ass plane.

Great planes.

I lived in deep south Texas for 15 years. The Confederate Air Force was located there for a long time. They had every kind of WWII plane you can imagine. The Confederate AF would travel the country and do air shows and reenactments from WWII. I wish they were still located in the Rio Grande Valley...I think they moved to SD.

re: #93 Dahveed

I think you right, I picked my daughter up at the airport here in New Hampshire Sunday night at 11 pm the flight was full and as far as the airfares well I fly quit a bit and I really don't care that the ticket has gone up ,, oh no a hole 20 bucks oh no the world is ending.

re: #111 CyanSnowHawk

That's what I called the jet noise when I lived near the flight path for Miramar Naval Air Station in San Diego.

When someone complains about jet noise from the NG planes here in CT, I just offer them up the opportunity to enlist in the Navy and sleep on the O2 level under the number three wire. Usually just shuts them up quick.

#74

My heart beats faster for a Nieuport Bebe. (Sigh)
[Link: www.theaerodrome.com...]

Cramer calling for the fall of the banks, popcorn time!

re: #113 jorline

Great planes.

I lived in deep south Texas for 15 years. The Confederate Air Force was located there for a long time. They had every kind of WWII plane you can imagine. The Confederate AF would travel the country and do air shows and reenactments from WWII. I wish they were still located in the Rio Grande Valley...I think they moved to SD.

Didn't they change their name to Consolidated AF or something like that to get away from the whole Civil War association?

They flew into Marshall Army Air Field when I was stationed at Ft. Riley with 1/4 CAV. Our engine guy got to help them fix one of the bomber engines. He was over the moon.

re: #89 WhiteRasta

I saw a thing on the world's best, baddest fighter aircraft on |Discovery channel some time ago.

The P-51 was #1.

P-51, yah! Weren't a few refurbished in the 1970s with (then-)modern turboprop engines? Wonder what they could do now, rework the control surfaces, use some composite materials, even give it negative stability and computerized avionics, lexan canopy, seven-channel sound and five cup-holders, ...

re: #4 WrathofG-d

Look where I am going in August. Jealous much?

look where I am going this month
[Link: www.nps.gov...]

re: #88 jcm

Everyone likes the P-52. I'm a contrarian! P-47 for me.

I like the Hawker Sea Fury, it just missed the big show.

For shear beauty, the XF-12 Rainbow is near the top of the list.

Another one that never saw production was the blended wing XP-67 Bat.

Thanks for sharing the pics, jcm. There's nothing like standing under a WWII plane and hearing the Rolls-Royce engine.

Later, Lizards. I am off to a movie. They got AC, I hear.

re: #117 akak

Cramer calling for the fall of the banks, popcorn time!

On the 4th a friend said that Washington Mutual is going to be swallowed by Wells Fargo soon. They got hurt bad by the mortgage crisis.

re: #85 Russkilitlover

One of San Diego's claim to fame - year round 70 degrees. It's mostly true! I'm so spoiled I can't live anywhere else. I encourage ALL of you to move here and give it a try.........pretty please? The SD housing market sure needs some umph.

San Diego is a city that you just have to like. You can't help it.
Look at Ron Burgundy, "Stay claasy San Diego." and it did.

re: #117 akak

There apparently is still quite a large set of assets which are greatly overvalued on the books of many companies. Cramer lovers hyperbole.... we will see how all this turns out. However, Bernanke did say that the Fed will extend their help to the financial sector into 2009.

If you could only see what I've seen with your eyes...

I quaff liquid nitrogen in your general direction!......

re: #108 gop_patriot

I live in a small city, about 50,000 people (not sure if that number includes the tourists). The streets are full of traffic, the stores are full of people, restaurants are full, the lakes are full of people driving huge boats which they pull with huge trucks, people are even coming to the track (horses) in off-season for the gaming room.

I don't see much of a recession here, either.

In Los Angeles, the traffic is slightly lighter and this is a good thing! Some restaurants are definitely slower, house for-sale signs stay up more than one day, a few marginal vanity stores are closing, but I think there's an uptick on new building, and the malls in the south bay seem very, very busy.

re: #78 WrathofG-d

That crater looks great. I am thinking of checking out the Bahai Gardens also. Ever been?

Never been to Israel, that's why I am jealous.

re: #78 WrathofG-d

Jerusalem, Haifa and safat are my fav. places in Israel

re: #99 6pat6

Ahhh, the P-51 is by far, my favorite WWII fighter, followed by the F-4F.

Bombers, nothing like a B-17...I had two family members fly those in the war - one was a bombardier and the other a waist gunner.

What theater?

re: #80 WrathofG-d

Seeing family for 2 weeks. No tours, just me the sig-nif other and a car.

have a good time but be careful.

re: #122 rawmuse

Later, Lizards. I am off to a movie. They got AC, I hear.

so does walmart

re: #113 jorline

Great planes.

I lived in deep south Texas for 15 years. The Confederate Air Force was located there for a long time. They had every kind of WWII plane you can imagine. The Confederate AF would travel the country and do air shows and reenactments from WWII. I wish they were still located in the Rio Grande Valley...I think they moved to SD.

Mesa, AZ, at least the AZ Wing, right by my house. You can take rides in a B-29, B-25 or a F4U Corsair.....haven't done that yet, but I see them flying around alot, especially in the winter (when it's not 10,000 degrees outside like now)

They have Zeroes, Messerschmidts, P-51s.....a cool museum

Some totally not WWII airplanes. But a nice modern Navy video.

Fun in the Gulf.

re: #129 yochanan

Jerusalem, Haifa and safat are my fav. places in Israel

Safed is a must!

re: #123 CyanSnowHawk

On the 4th a friend said that Washington Mutual is going to be swallowed by Wells Fargo soon. They got hurt bad by the mortgage crisis.

I have been in the real estate industry for 30 years and I remember very well all the bank that went down in the late 80's and early 90's but for some reason some people saw an opening and started new banks. It really pisses me off that congress wants to step in and save banks from failing. One persons failure is another's opportunity.

re: #127 itellu3times

Dude! Glad I saw you...got an extra 6 miles per gallon going 55. 30.3 mpg....coming back, drove regular...70mph...22.4 mpg.

re: #112 Bubblehead II

Damn! Missed a link.

The Corsair was a great plane...so was the Gumman F6F Hellcat.

re: #129 yochanan

Jerusalem, Haifa and safat are my fav. places in Israel

I have been wanting to go to Israel for years. Jerusalem, sure, but I really want to see the beach resorts. My wife is scared to death that some suicide bober will spoil the trip by seriously killing us.
I need some talking points.

Paul Allen, Microsoft #2 guy. Just open a new air museum in Arlington WA.

Flying Heritage Collection.

All in flying condition and will be flown periodically.

Browse the pics.

re: #118 CyanSnowHawk

Didn't they change their name to Consolidated AF or something like that to get away from the whole Civil War association?

They flew into Marshall Army Air Field when I was stationed at Ft. Riley with 1/4 CAV. Our engine guy got to help them fix one of the bomber engines. He was over the moon.

I wouldn't be surprised about the name change...they were the Confederate AF through the mid-90's.

Later got to run.

re: #139 opnion

Talking point...If they giggle while they blow you up, they are not seriously killing you, so it's okay?

tel aviv did not impress me at all but the other places Jerusalem, Haifa, Safat did. they have things you can't find in a american city.

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Talking point...If they giggle while they blow you up, they are not seriously killing you, so it's okay?

See,l like it, but that probably would not persuade her.

re: #140 jcm

Paul Allen, Microsoft #2 guy. Just open a new air museum in Arlington WA.

Flying Heritage Collection.

All in flying condition and will be flown periodically.

Browse the pics.

This place is a great visit if you get up to Oregon:

Tillamook Air Museum

I hear they make some cheese nearby too.

We should exhume Ben Franklin's remains, extract his DNA and pull a "Jurassic Park" on him before briefing him on the current state of his country and then put him in front of both houses of Congress for a rectal reeming...

How'd you like to see THAT on C-SPAN?

re: #141 jorline

They changed their name reluctantly after they were repeatedly charged with racism because they called themselves the Confederate Air Force.

re: #133 Desert Dog

Mesa, AZ, at least the AZ Wing, right by my house. You can take rides in a B-29, B-25 or a F4U Corsair.....haven't done that yet, but I see them flying around alot, especially in the winter (when it's not 10,000 degrees outside like now)

They have Zeroes, Messerschmidts, P-51s.....a cool museum

I would give a left-wingnut for a ride...if you go up with them, take video and share it with us here.

re: #68 Occasional Reader

P-51 for me. "Cadillac of the skies!"

If I were to win the lottery, I would purchase a P-51D and learn to fly it. I play a lot of WWII combat flight simulators and the P-51D and the F-4U Corsair are my planes of choice. My favorites from the 2 theaters of WWII.

re: #140 jcm

Paul Allen, Microsoft #2 guy. Just open a new air museum in Arlington WA.

Flying Heritage Collection.

All in flying condition and will be flown periodically.

Browse the pics.

Cool...great site...thanks! Looks like I'll be spending some time here later tonight.

re: #133 Desert Dog

Mesa, AZ, at least the AZ Wing, right by my house. You can take rides in a B-29, B-25 or a F4U Corsair.

Huh? Not to be picky, but the F4U was a single seat carrier/land based fighter. You going to sit in the pilots lap ala Pearl Harbor?

re: #152 Bubblehead II

Mesa, AZ, at least the AZ Wing, right by my house. You can take rides in a B-29, B-25 or a F4U Corsair.

Huh? Not to be picky, but the F4U was a single seat carrier/land based fighter. You going to sit in the pilots lap ala Pearl Harbor?

It's not unusual for these fighters to have been modified to include a second seat. Many times you can get the room by removing a fuel tank. ( I think that was common with the P-51 )

re: #46 jorline

What happened to the changes Congress promised a year and a half ago when they took control?

The MSM can make fun of Bush's approval ratings all they want...but there not single digit.

Change. For the worse.

Holy crap, Batman. MAJOR boomers in NE Ohio! We've had quite a display for over an hour now.

The eye of the master will do more work than both his hands.

— Benjamin Franklin

Clever quote. A subtle reference by Franklin to deism?

re: #153 CyanSnowHawk

I can live with that explanation. Would like to see some pics of the bird so modified of course.

re: #148 theparson

They changed their name reluctantly after they were repeatedly charged with racism because they called themselves the Confederate Air Force.

The name Confederate AF didn't bother anyone in south Texas while they were here...probably that damn Obama campaign, they're always accusing everyone of being a racist.

re: #150 GeeWiz

If I were to win the lottery, I would purchase a P-51D and learn to fly it. I play a lot of WWII combat flight simulators and the P-51D and the F-4U Corsair are my planes of choice. My favorites from the 2 theaters of WWII.

Good choices. My father fought the war in the Pacific from a B-17. He loved the Corsairs. Said they tore the living hell out of the Japanese. They were the source of Pacific air superiority. Until then the Zero owned the sky.

re: #95 CyanSnowHawk

I think Goering knew the war was lost, when he saw P-51's over Berlin.....

re: #123 CyanSnowHawk

On the 4th a friend said that Washington Mutual is going to be swallowed by Wells Fargo soon. They got hurt bad by the mortgage crisis.

Too bad. I've been a WaMu customer for years, don't like Wells at all.

re: #150 GeeWiz

If I were to win the lottery, I would purchase a P-51D and learn to fly it. I play a lot of WWII combat flight simulators and the P-51D and the F-4U Corsair are my planes of choice. My favorites from the 2 theaters of WWII.

Agree 100%

re: #154 Muadib

Change. For the worse.

Pelosi can't get rid of that gavel fast enough.. When's the last time you saw her holding it aloft with that sophomoric grin on her face?

re: #154 Muadib

Change. For the worse.

Spot-on

re: #129 yochanan

Jerusalem, Haifa and safat are my fav. places in Israel

I like Jerusalem, Tsefat, and Tiberias!

re: #164 natemannq

Pelosi can't get rid of that gavel fast enough.. When's the last time you saw her holding it aloft with that sophomoric grin on her face?

The eyes are nice.

re: #156 Cognito

Clever quote. A subtle reference by Franklin to deism?

He was, perhaps, referring to his distracted French sculptor, Antoine Houdon.

re: #161 neocon hippie

Too bad. I've been a WaMu customer for years, don't like Wells at all.

What? Wells "charge them if they look at us funny" Fargo doesn't sit well with you? They took over Home Federal Savings and Loan when I was in college. When I saw strange service fees start popping up on my statements, I ran for the credit union across the street. Still there.

re: #113 jorline

I lived in deep south Texas for 15 years. The Confederate Air Force was located there for a long time. They had every kind of WWII plane you can imagine. The Confederate AF would travel the country and do air shows and reenactments from WWII. I wish they were still located in the Rio Grande Valley...I think they moved to SD.

I lived in McAllen for almost 10 years (85-94). The Confederate Air Force was in Harlingen - correct? I thought they moved to somewhere still in Texas, like Amarillo or some such.

re: #158 jorline

This citation from Wikipedia really glosses the whole thing over.

In 2002 it changed its name to Commemorative Air Force after a vote of the membership. Many felt the name Confederate Air Force was confusing, did not accurately reflect the purpose of the organization, and was detrimental to fundraising efforts. [4] This name changed was deemed by some fans to be a move of political correctness. The reason for the name change as stated by the organization was "Because the word "Confederate" is offensive to some."[5]

I remember when the whole bruhaha was going on. It was really disgusting. Of course now some hippy college students are trying to make them take down the tributes to Confederate Soldiers around the Town Square in Denton, Texas.

re: #93 Dahveed

Well the planes are full because many of the airlines are downgrading their fleets, less planes and laying off workers. I do a great deal of travel for my bosses and my hubby and I try to get to CA each year from FL. Prices have about doubled in some markets. Used to pay $350 from FL to CA. We paid $600 this year. I could have gotten a cheaper flight, about $400, but with 2 stops... fahgettaboutit.

Also they're charging for checking luggage. American charges $15 for 1 suitcase, $25 for 2, EACH LEG. USair, first checked bag is free, second is $25. They also debating whether to charge for seats. Aisle seats, maybe $15, center seats $5 (I don't get that but ok....) Anyway, it can really add up.

On top of which, you have to deal with cranky, overworked, stressed out flight and gate attendants on packed planes.

We took Amtrak from Irvine to San Diego for $40 round trip. Was a great deal and lovely ride along the coast. Much cheaper than renting a car.

re: #167 opnion

The eyes are nice.

windows into the abyss

re: #164 natemannq

Pelosi can't get rid of that gavel fast enough.. When's the last time you saw her holding it aloft with that sophomoric grin on her face?

That sophomoric grin is on her face all too often. The gavel will hit her in the back of the head as she tries to run away from her disaster.

Will be popping in and out for a bit, so sorry if I don't reply right away.

re: #169 CyanSnowHawk

What? Wells "charge them if they look at us funny" Fargo doesn't sit well with you? They took over Home Federal Savings and Loan when I was in college. When I saw strange service fees start popping up on my statements, I ran for the credit union across the street. Still there.

Where was that home federal?

re: #173 natemannq

windows into the abyss

Just so

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude! Glad I saw you...got an extra 6 miles per gallon going 55. 30.3 mpg....coming back, drove regular...70mph...22.4 mpg.

Wow! I'm pleased to have been wrong.

(I won't even ask about tailwinds ...)

My Honda Accords, over the past few years, have been remarkably insensitive to speed, and I can even do a fair amount of city driving without the mileage diving dramatically, so long as I drive with an egg on the accelerator pedal. Current car never had a tank vary more than about 27mpg to 29mpg, though I haven't run a full tank and the air conditioner at the same time.

OK, I was exaggerating a little with my .1, .2, .3 guesses, but I would not have guessed 6mpg, even for a boxy SUV. Well heck, I guess you got better mileage at 55 in your Highlander, than I can get in my Accord, go figure.

Your "Whip Global Warming Now" lapel pin is in the mail!
:)

re: #174 Muadib

That sophomoric grin is on her face all too often. The gavel will hit her in the back of the head as she tries to run away from her disaster.

Can you imagine her pep talk to Congress?

"Ok, we need to start with achievable goals... I want us to be at 10% approval in 3 months. Time to eat."

re: #170 Dolphin

I lived in McAllen for almost 10 years (85-94). The Confederate Air Force was in Harlingen - correct? I thought they moved to somewhere still in Texas, like Amarillo or some such.

Yes, they were located in Harlingen, Dolphin and you may be right about the move to north Texas...I can't remember. A lot of their air shows were in Brownsville though...less air traffic I guess.

I live in McAllen from 89 to 04, my wife's family is there and we still visit often.

re: #172 marjoriemoon

I was on the Southwest Airlines web site the other day and they had a banner that said "Bags Fly Free". If you don't mind flying coach, they are great to fly. I've always loved their attitude and never had a problem with them and their seat spacing is exactly what I need to not bump my knees on the seat in front. Every other airline, in coach, is too small, and I'm too cheap to pay for higher class service.

169 CyanSnowHawk

I'm just asking because I worked for 18 years with the president of Home Federal.

re: #176 BBev

Where was that home federal?

They were a local San Diego bank. The branch I used was in the Mira Mesa Mall.

re: #13 jorline

I posted this yesterday during a dead period. Great clip of WWII P-47 Thunderbolts in action.

That is a great clip. I love the cockpit startup routine.

Thanks.

re: #179 natemannq

Can you imagine her pep talk to Congress?

"Ok, we need to start with achievable goals... I want us to be at 10% approval in 3 months. Time to eat."

She changed the freaking menu in the House Dining Room! Cheeseburgers are out of the question. That's just wrong.

Commemorative Air Force

re: #171 theparson

This citation from Wikipedia really glosses the whole thing over.

I remember when the whole bruhaha was going on. It was really disgusting. Of course now some hippy college students are trying to make them take down the tributes to Confederate Soldiers around the Town Square in Denton, Texas.

That sucks. They will always be the Confederate AF to me...like the Baltimore Colts, St. Louis Cardinals and the Los Angeles Ram...lol

re: #159 The Shadow Do

Good choices. My father fought the war in the Pacific from a B-17. He loved the Corsairs. Said they tore the living hell out of the Japanese. They were the source of Pacific air superiority. Until then the Zero owned the sky.

The F-4U Corsair was an excellent fighter but very un-forgiving for an un-experienced pilot. As I have learned after many hours of simulator time, the Corsair gave the pilot capabilities only a good pilot could use to an advantage against the Japanese Zero. Great plane and better pilots prevailed.

re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

I was on the Southwest Airlines web site the other day and they had a banner that said "Bags Fly Free". If you don't mind flying coach, they are great to fly. I've always loved their attitude and never had a problem with them and their seat spacing is exactly what I need to not bump my knees on the seat in front. Every other airline, in coach, is too small, and I'm too cheap to pay for higher class service.

My airline of choice. Great airline.

re: #182 BBev

169 CyanSnowHawk

I'm just asking because I worked for 18 years with the president of Home Federal.

I had a sentimental attachment. My first bank account was at Home Fed in TierraSanta when I was about 8 years old.

re: #183 CyanSnowHawk

They were a local San Diego bank. The branch I used was in the Mira Mesa Mall.

I remember well when the shit hit the fan. Man could I tell stories, (I've said that to many times here) open forums suck sometimes.

re: #184 jcbunga

That is a great clip. I love the cockpit startup routine.

Thanks.

you're welcome

re: #185 opnion

She changed the freaking menu in the House Dining Room! Cheeseburgers are out of the question. That's just wrong.

I can't haz Cheezburger?

re: #180 jorline

Here's the link..

[Link: www.airpowermuseum.org...]

I am not sure I ever went to an airshow down there. Corpus, yes. I knew, by association, a lot of the pilots that flew the planes. I dated a crop-duster pilot and he knew a lot of them.

I left and have only been back once - to close a bank account. None of my family was left there so there was nothing holding me there. I have heard it has really changed a lot.

re: #187 jorline

That sucks. They will always be the Confederate AF to me...like the Baltimore Colts, St. Louis Cardinals and the Los Angeles Ram...lol

Damn straight. like the St. Louis Browns & Chicago Cardinals.
Aslo the Manila Folders (Cubs)

re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

Every other airline, in coach, is too small, and I'm too cheap to pay for higher class service.

There simply is no higher class service with todays airlines. Bags, people, they are all just a big pain in the ass for airline employees. Flying today is like shopping at a store where they tell you not thanks, but go eff yourself.

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

I can't haz Cheezburger?

Not there.

re: #184 jcbunga

That is a great clip. I love the cockpit startup routine.

Thanks.

And they didn't do a cheesy job on the color, like some old clips.

re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

I was on the Southwest Airlines web site the other day and they had a banner that said "Bags Fly Free". If you don't mind flying coach, they are great to fly. I've always loved their attitude and never had a problem with them and their seat spacing is exactly what I need to not bump my knees on the seat in front. Every other airline, in coach, is too small, and I'm too cheap to pay for higher class service.

I hear that a lot. They just started opening markets in Florida last few years. There was a reason I didn't go with SW (we took USAir) this time. I can't remember. My sis-in-laws use them nearly exclusively. They also manage to keep their humor, too. My friend told me the attendants were joking about charging for the lavatory hehe

Yes, I do coach too!

re: #187 jorline

like the Baltimore Colts, St. Louis Cardinals and the Los Angeles Ram...lol

Oh, I so agree with you on this! I still bitch about it. Just wrong!

re: #196 The Shadow Do

There simply is no higher class service with todays airlines. Bags, people, they are all just a big pain in the ass for airline employees. Flying today is like shopping at a store where they tell you not thanks, but go eff yourself.

I flew for business last year on American and got an upgrade to 1st. My first and only time. I was treated quite well by the Airline. The Airport personnel on the other hand, are just as you describe them. I hate Airports now, there has to be a better way to secure them.

re: #188 GeeWiz

The F-4U Corsair was an excellent fighter but very un-forgiving for an un-experienced pilot. As I have learned after many hours of simulator time, the Corsair gave the pilot capabilities only a good pilot could use to an advantage against the Japanese Zero. Great plane and better pilots prevailed.

11:1 kill ratio

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

Model the air security after EL AL.

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

I flew for business last year on American and got an upgrade to 1st. My first and only time. I was treated quite well by the Airline. The Airport personnel on the other hand, are just as you describe them. I hate Airports now, there has to be a better way to secure them.

Hoo boy, don't get me started on AA. Bastids all.

They're tearing down my beloved Tiger Stadium this week.

You could call balls and strikes from the upper deck behind home plate.

Off topic even for an open thread, but I just had to get it off my chest.

1967 Camera Day vs. the Baltimore Orioles. Denny McLain pitched.

Slideshow

AP News Cameraman terrorist ordered held for 6 more months.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An Associated Press television cameraman who was detained by U.S. and Iraqi forces in early June was ordered held for at least six more months Tuesday for "imperative reasons of security," the U.S. military said.
The decision came as a surprise to the AP, which had earlier been led to believe that the cameraman, Ahmed Nouri Raziak, was likely to be released because of lack of any evidence against him.

Raziak, 38, who has worked for AP Television News since 2003, was detained by U.S. and Iraqi soldiers at his home in Tikrit on June 4. He was transferred last month to the U.S. military's detention facility at Camp Cropper near Baghdad International Airport.

The AP has been in regular contact with U.S. military officials about his case. In notifying the AP that Raziak would continue to be held, the military provided no details about any allegations against him.

LOL

re: #199 marjoriemoon

I hear that a lot. They just started opening markets in Florida last few years. There was a reason I didn't go with SW (we took USAir) this time. I can't remember. My sis-in-laws use them nearly exclusively. They also manage to keep their humor, too. My friend told me the attendants were joking about charging for the lavatory hehe

Yes, I do coach too!

I flew them with the family to Orlando last Thanksgiving for a Disney World trip. I think my Wife considered it a pilgrimage. You should have seen her walking around the Cinderella Castle in a trance like state. (And nobody better insult Mickey around her if they know what's good for them.)

A Pic of Norilsk in Siberia.

NOT a place to raise the family.

By some estimates, 1 percent of the entire global emissions of sulfur dioxide comes from this one city. Heavy metal pollution near Norilsk is so severe that it is now economically feasible to mine the soil, which has been polluted so severely that it has economic grades of platinum and palladium.

Anybody got a guess what the hell that red splotch at the bottom is.
I'm just curious.

re: #204 The Shadow Do

Hoo boy, don't get me started on AA. Bastids all.

All except my Sister-in-Law, who is one of their senior flight attendants.

re: #194 Dolphin

Here's the link..

[Link: www.airpowermuseum.org...]

I am not sure I ever went to an airshow down there. Corpus, yes. I knew, by association, a lot of the pilots that flew the planes. I dated a crop-duster pilot and he knew a lot of them.

I left and have only been back once - to close a bank account. None of my family was left there so there was nothing holding me there. I have heard it has really changed a lot.

My wife is from a farming family in Raymondville...and I'm afraid to ask what crop-duster pilot you dated...she may know him...LOL

The Valley has changed tremendously, it's like a Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex...but still a lot of poverty. When you're advertising there you look at the reach from Brownsville to LaJoya, including the major Mexican border towns...3 to 4 million people. My wife hated the traffic. We moved to Corpus in 04, but I still travel to South Padre Island for the best beaches.

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

I flew for business last year on American and got an upgrade to 1st. My first and only time. I was treated quite well by the Airline. The Airport personnel on the other hand, are just as you describe them. I hate Airports now, there has to be a better way to secure them.

Well you gotta figure, with so many airlines in trouble. Delta is teetering or did they file bankruptcy? They're still flying, I know. AA will be laying off some 900 employees in August, I read last week. With the dangerous nature of the job to begin with, I can understand cranky. Unfortunately, what was once a fun and pleasurable experience is now filled with stress and anxiety for us... ah well.

Last time I ended up in first class, I got a whiskey and just got toasty all the way. It was great.

re: #195 opnion

Damn straight. like the St. Louis Browns & Chicago Cardinals.
Aslo the Manila Folders (Cubs)

Damn...got me there

re: #208 SasquatchOnSteroids

A Pic of Norilsk in Siberia.

NOT a place to raise the family.

Anybody got a guess what the hell that red splotch at the bottom is.
I'm just curious.

Community swimming pool?

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

All except my Sister-in-Law, who is one of their senior flight attendants.

Bless her soul. Southwest is hiring. She'll be appreciated there!

re: #208 SasquatchOnSteroids

Anybody got a guess what the hell that red splotch at the bottom is.

Presume it's a pond, a few degrees warmer (cooler?) than some other ponds in the picture. Seems to be from one Tera satellite, thermal imaging, all pictures false colors.

Well, in the last installment of my story ([Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] I told of the charter school that needed space in our church building, only to begin objecting to the "religious imagery" they found there once they set up shop.

Well, the offending imagery was painted over, but thankfully we didn't have to paint over the art in our children's church, despite a visit from the Minnesota Department of Education.

But then our children's pastor got an idea. Since we now had a freshly painted blank wall facing the school section of the building, why not do something useful like put up a mural highlighting moral virtues, in a "non-religious," nonsectarian way?

Some parents at the school were "very concerned" when they heard of this plan, but now that the mural has been constructed, I hardly see how they could object. It depicts a cheerful, multicultural group of children acting out character traits like "honesty," "sharing," etc.

The new mural is 100x better than the old one. Take a look! [Link: cvchurch.org...]

And we even won an award for it.

re: #207 CyanSnowHawk

I flew them with the family to Orlando last Thanksgiving for a Disney World trip. I think my Wife considered it a pilgrimage. You should have seen her walking around the Cinderella Castle in a trance like state. (And nobody better insult Mickey around her if they know what's good for them.)

LOL The Castle is the best. I'm not a big Disney fan. My mom pushed Looney Tunes, but I love the place. Did you eat in the castle? The food is awful. In fact, that's the only downside of the whole place.

Did you have breakfast with the characters? Another of my fav things.

re: #210 jorline

Ahww. The Laguna Madra, sailing all day. What memories. And you are correct. Get much farther north than Corpus and it's not very pretty (but fishing isn't bad)!

re: #214 The Shadow Do

Bless her soul. Southwest is hiring. She'll be appreciated there!

She'll probably take early retirement. (Although I don't know how you can call it early when you have about 35 years with the company.) As I understand it, there is a bit of pecking order in the industry, and being an attendant for Southwest is a decidedly low-status position.

re: #196 The Shadow Do

I have to disagree with you there.

Air Jamaica is going to treat you like they love to have you aboard.

It is my favorite airline, by far.

[Link: www.airjamaica.com...]

If anyone is thinking of passing any remark about third world airlines, I ask you to consider the fact that Air Jamaica has never, ever had a fatal accident since it's inception in 1969..

re: #179 natemannq

Can you imagine her pep talk to Congress?

"Ok, we need to start with achievable goals... I want us to be at 10% approval in 3 months. Time to eat."

No fried food.

re: #218 Dolphin

Ahww. The Laguna Madra, sailing all day. What memories. And you are correct. Get much farther north than Corpus and it's not very pretty (but fishing isn't bad)!

Corpus beaches suck.

You're correct about the fishing down south...reds and trout in the bay...take the fish to Louie's Backyard or Amberjack's and they prepare them for dinner.

re: #192 jorline

That was cool. I've emailed it to my dad and brother, and our homeschool group. Lots of boys in the group who love airplanes and studying WWII.
Thanks!

re: #217 marjoriemoon

LOL The Castle is the best. I'm not a big Disney fan. My mom pushed Looney Tunes, but I love the place. Did you eat in the castle? The food is awful. In fact, that's the only downside of the whole place.

Did you have breakfast with the characters? Another of my fav things.

My Wife is a total Disney-head. We go to Disneyland regularly, honeymooned there in fact, and when we can get our annual passes, we will go more. We did the character meals on a D-land trip a couple years ago.

I want to go to EPCOT again to try some more of the food. I could spend a month there sampling the fare.

re: #123 CyanSnowHawk

On the 4th a friend said that Washington Mutual is going to be swallowed by Wells Fargo soon. They got hurt bad by the mortgage crisis.

DRAT this subprime squalor, I've been so happy at Wamu, now I have to find some other bank to go to. Wells Fargo nearly charged a friend of mine into the poor house with stupid fees.

Anyone care to suggest a bank?

re: #223 gop_patriot

That was cool. I've emailed it to my dad and brother, and our homeschool group. Lots of boys in the group who love airplanes and studying WWII.
Thanks!

Thanks...my father who is retired USAF sent it to me...thought I would pass it on.

re: #219 CyanSnowHawk

She'll probably take early retirement. (Although I don't know how you can call it early when you have about 35 years with the company.) As I understand it, there is a bit of pecking order in the industry, and being an attendant for Southwest is a decidedly low-status position.

Yes, I know SW's image is plebeian and probably worse within the industry. I have no dog in the hunt, but I will fly them when possible. They are quite reliable, and even show a sense of humor from time to time.

re: #227 The Shadow Do

Yes, I know SW's image is plebeian and probably worse within the industry. I have no dog in the hunt, but I will fly them when possible. They are quite reliable, and even show a sense of humor from time to time.

Which is precisely why I tend to enjoy flying them and have since my first flight with them.

re: #93 Dahveed

The MSM considers the economy bad when reporters are getting laid off.
They're getting laid off because the MSM sucks, has a blatant agenda that is against what most people believe, and is anti-Israel. (G-d sees that the enemies of Israel disappear eventually)
But no, to the MSM, it must be the economy.

re: #202 The Shadow Do

In the late 80's & early 90's, I was a member of an Atari ST users group. The majority of the members participated in a site called "Air Warrior". Air Warrior was a site that charged $6.95/hour for the members to engage in air combat with WWII aircraft with others from all over the country. Keep in mind that this was before the web and was only available on Genie. Air Warrior was so popular that our users group sponsered a convention in DC and attracted people from all over the country. GE, the corporation behind Genie, helped defray the costs. BTW, Clayton Walnum, a compatriot of Charles was a frequent visitor to our meetings.

To make a long story short, a part of our convention was a back-lot tour of the National Air & Space Museum where I had my picture took standing alongside a P-51D and a F-4U Corsair that actually saw combat in WWII. To complete the tour, we all had a picture taken standing alongside the Enola Gay that was in the process of being preserved. Great memories!

re: #221 Muadib

No fried food.

It would be cannibalism...

Charles, I would like to take this opportunity to say that after reading the thread where S&D Man got banned, I understand where you are coming from regarding the ID/Creationist vs evolution thing. Like you, I was educated in Catholic schools from the 4th thru 12th grades. Looking back, I'm amazed that the nuns that taught me religion could separate religion from the science teachings. Science should be taught in schools and religion should be taught in homes/churches. I now understand your posts on this subject. I may ignore them because of the furor they cause, but I agree with your passion to defeat the zealots from the right. They are no different from the islamofacists we abhor.

BTW, thanks for the updates to the site.

re: #232 GeeWiz

Charles, I would like to take this opportunity to say that after reading the thread where S&D Man got banned, I understand where you are coming from regarding the ID/Creationist vs evolution thing. Like you, I was educated in Catholic schools from the 4th thru 12th grades. Looking back, I'm amazed that the nuns that taught me religion could separate religion from the science teachings. Science should be taught in schools and religion should be taught in homes/churches. I now understand your posts on this subject. I may ignore them because of the furor they cause, but I agree with your passion to defeat the zealots from the right. They are no different from the islamofacists we abhor.

BTW, thanks for the updates to the site.

No different?

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I don't even think I have to tell you why.

Sharmuta, nice hit and run..

How about a defense?

Ding whiner.

re: #235 Sharmuta

Ding whiner.

Brilliant. Have another drink.

re: #233 natemannq

OK you got me. I agree that my statement of "no difference" was an error in wording. I see a BIG difference! One be-heads those that dis-agree and the other just litigates their opponnents. I was referring to the movements and their passions to their cause.

July 9, 2008
Russia threatens military response to US missile defence deal

"
“We will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement."

What is this BS? Israel is pounded by 8000 scud rockets over the past 2-3 years, has endured countless suicide bombings, indiscriminately killing her men, women and children, and Israel is the one who is ALWAYS prodded by the UN and other enlightened Western countries to seek a DIPLOMATIC solution. However, Russia, will react to a defensive weapon system that doesn't threathen them in the least, or better still, kill their people. No diplomacy for them, only a military action reaction. Seems to me Russia is the scum bag it has always been, now and forever. Keep supplying Iran with nuke technology Putin, you are nothing more than a genetic mutant dictator who runs Russia with mob-like scare tactics. Israel and the USA will not cave in to your BS. Go to the ballet, smoke a cigar and drown yourself in 2 bottles of vodka.

re: #237 GeeWiz

OK you got me. I agree that my statement of "no difference" was an error in wording. I see a BIG difference! One be-heads those that dis-agree and the other just litigates their opponnents. I was referring to the movements and their passions to their cause.

We may disagree but I respect your answer. It WAS better than "Ding Whiner" from a hit and run artist.

forgot the link

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re: #239 natemannq

Yeah- whiner. Anyways- have your friends and Creationist Ministries backed away from their friends-in-arms, the islamist creationists?

re: #241 Sharmuta

Yeah- whiner. Anyways- have your friends and Creationist Ministries backed away from their friends-in-arms, the islamist creationists?

Way to circumvent the point.

Are you saying there's no difference between the far Christian right and islamo-facists?

I believe even YOU wouldn't go that far, which is why you play point circumvention.

You're wrong and you know it.

re: #237 GeeWiz

GeeWiz- perhaps you should look into Rushdoony, and Christian Reconstruction before you completely back away from your comment.

re: #243 Sharmuta

GeeWiz- perhaps you should look into Rushdoony, and Christian Reconstruction before you completely back away from your comment.

Just out of curiosity, are you an atheist?

re: #242 natemannq

Christian Reconstruction:

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

re: #244 natemannq

Just out of curiosity, are you an atheist?

No.

Slightly OT, but hey, it's an open thread.

France is showing signs of getting it.

Ingrid Betancourt's decision: liberty or death. And a French philosopher approves!

re: #239 natemannq

Sometimes, just sometimes, one must make an effort to read between the lines. If everyone here had to spell everything out to the lefties, these threads would reach historic proportions. I'm not pointing fingers, since that would be racist, but some posters, ie (natemannq), need to take a loonngg hard look in the mirror before they take issue with the content posted here, just sayin'.

re: #241 Sharmuta

Yeah- whiner. Anyways- have your friends and Creationist Ministries backed away from their friends-in-arms, the islamist creationists?

Truth is I'm a little disappointed they haven't responded. They're usually quick to do so..

That said, I don't think that discredits all of their arguments..

I'm a bigger fan of Craig Winn anyway, who absolutely understands Islam...

re: #249 natemannq

Any thoughts on my #245?

re: #248 GeeWiz

Sometimes, just sometimes, one must make an effort to read between the lines. If everyone here had to spell everything out to the lefties, these threads would reach historic proportions. I'm not pointing fingers, since that would be racist, but some posters, ie (natemannq), need to take a loonngg hard look in the mirror before they take issue with the content posted here, just sayin'.

Wow, I show respect and you go for the slam..

re: #250 Sharmuta

Any thoughts on my #245?

Yeah, check the scoreboard between islamo-facists and Christian extremists regarding the deaths in each others' wake.

I believe Islamo-facists are a much greater threat, which is the only point I was trying to make..

re: #246 Sharmuta

No.

Good, just be careful not to tread on the faith of others... If you're truly a believer, God really doesn't like that.

re: #252 natemannq

Yeah, and some peoples' points are a zealot is a zealot and both should be equally opposed.

re: #253 natemannq

Good, just be careful not to tread on the faith of others... If you're truly a believer, God really doesn't like that.

Great! Tell your friends at Creationist Ministries that, because I don't but they want to.

re: #254 Sharmuta

Yeah, and some peoples' points are a zealot is a zealot and both should be equally opposed.

WOW..

Your reality doesn't square with the scoreboard.

re: #253 natemannq

Good, just be careful not to tread on the faith of others... If you're truly a believer, God really doesn't like that.

Overboard. I have never seen Sharmuta tread on anybody's faith. She is concerned, as many people are, about those zealots who want to sneakily insert their brand (not mine and maybe not even yours) of Christianity into public schools.

re: #243 Sharmuta

I'm not backing away from my comment. My post @237 was an effort to appease the troll. I have my beliefs on this subject and my post @232 expoused them. I may agree with Charles on the subject of not introducing ID/Creation into the classroom and just teaching science, but it does not affect my beliefs on the ID/evolution thing. Had the troll comprehended my post @232, this would be a non-issue. I can not be held responsible for reading comprehension problems of posters here.

re: #255 Sharmuta

Great! Tell your friends at Creationist Ministries that, because I don't but they want to.

That, as you know, is opinion only...

re: #258 GeeWiz

I'm not backing away from my comment. My post @237 was an effort to appease the troll. I have my beliefs on this subject and my post @232 expoused them. I may agree with Charles on the subject of not introducing ID/Creation into the classroom and just teaching science, but it does not affect my beliefs on the ID/evolution thing. Had the troll comprehended my post @232, this would be a non-issue. I can not be held responsible for reading comprehension problems of posters here.

Troll?

You need help, bro.

re: #258 GeeWiz

I can not be held responsible for reading comprehension problems of posters here.

I agree completely!

re: #257 reine.de.tout

Overboard. I have never seen Sharmuta tread on anybody's faith. She is concerned, as many people are, about those zealots who want to sneakily insert their brand (not mine and maybe not even yours) of Christianity into public schools.

I wasn't accusing though you took it that way..

A lot of defensive people on this thread..