PRESENT!

Color me surprised.

I voted for it before I voted against it. Where have I heard that before?

Eat it, Kagro X!

These morons over at that site you linked keep crying that the constitution is dead if this shit is passed. What's ironic is that they're idiots who wants the constitution dead when it comes to individual rights especially towards the Second Amendment. Because they're all about the collective right!

F*** ‘em all!

ok.

"I uh am uh not uh a uh flip-uh flopper uh."

F*** The Democrats!

Not even with Markos' d... that is, if you could find it.

Does the guy have firm beliefs on anything?

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

I can finally agree with the kos idiots about something.

Skip the screw and go right for the F-bomb. How eloquent.

Stay classy leftists.

re: #9 BLBfootballs

Does the guy have firm beliefs on anything?

Aye he does. He's just playing the bullshit game pretending to be a centrist when we all know what his game is.

Kos only now getting around to calling the dems traitors?

That's not what it seems.

Apparently not the messiah they thought he was.

I fully expect to hear the sound of young moonbat heads popping the moment that they realize that Obama is just as "business as usual" as any politician.

Let's hope they change their minds about the Messiah and stay home in November.

I can hear those kos kids heads popping right now .. have to go check this out.

Right now the Senate is voting on the Feingold/Dodd Amendment which is calling to strip immunity from the FISA Amendment. I expect this to go down in a hail of bullets. It was rejected last time 31-67.

what's that sound I hear in the distance?--could it be the waaaaaambulance?

What does 'Little Green Arugulas' have to say?

re: #8 Dar ul Harb

Not even with Markos' d... that is, if you could find it.

LOL, looking at the guy you got to wonder if he even has one.

F*** 'em all, f*** 'em all,
The long and the short and the tall.
For I'll not be mastered
By some (*****) bastard,
So come on me boys...
....f*** 'em all !

I don't watch cable news anymore but it has really degraded.....

Capitulation Day

That's just ridiculous.

The bus has taken a big right turn.

They call him Flipper, Flipper...

KOS KIDZ:

IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO SWITCH TO CLINTON!

By the way, the Feingold-Dodd Amendment needs 60 votes to pass, not the usual 50 votes required.

re: #10 VegasRick

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

I can finally agree with the kos idiots about something.

"Vegas" -

Sung to the tune of "The Long and the Short and the Tall?"

-S-

It should be all too apparent to anyone with a pulse that Obama stands for only one thing - the capacity to get elected President.

He has no moral or ethical center. He opposed FISA because it was expedient to do so when he needed to get the far left to support him.

Now, he needs the rest of America to believe that he supports national security and therefore votes accordingly (if he decides not to vote present).

I'm sure his advisors have run the numbers to see what would happen if he voted for it, against it, and present.

That's no way to conduct any kind of policy.

Happy 2nd Moonbat Meltdown Day everyday!

"I'm surprised that there is so much attention on this vote," Obama said. "My previous inartful statements about 'filerbustering' an 'unconstitutional' bill were misinterpreted by the racist, right-wing blogosphere."

those people are seriously in need to Caffine Detox. They are soo wired. My friend who thought this stuff was going to be repealled is going to be disappointed

If a hundred lefty delegates decided to, they could switch out Obama for Herself.

re: #28 lawhawk

I don't think he's present today.

re: #22 Killgore Trout

I don't watch cable news anymore but it has really degraded.....

Capitulation Day

That's just ridiculous.

It's pretty unbelievable what's going on at MSNBC these days. Completely taken over by hard core moonbats.

re: #24 Peacekeeper

They call him Flipper, Flipper...

That was their last nominee, right?

"I voted against the FISA amendment, before I voted for it."

Well, I guess that's change.

I had high hopes in 2006, and after Obama’s nomination, but it is now clear that the Democrats are congenital cowards. Nothing is going to change.

/well duh!
//kos kiddies are just now figuring out that their emperor messiah has no cloths.

re: #21 threecoloursblue

3 -

Ya beat me to it while my 6 thumbs were typing - good show!

-S-

re: #28 lawhawk

Exactly, no conviction which is something Bush has plenty of thank goodness.

He has no moral or ethical center. He opposed FISA because it was expedient to do so when he needed to get the far left to support him.

So that's it means- Change We Can Believe In

"The FISA Fight" has been as backbone to Kos as supporting Obama. This is just great.

SWEET!

I just enjoy the sound of exploding...

re: #34 Charles

It's not even realistic reporting. No insight or information, just rhetoric and ranting.

OMG, I agree with a KOSKOOK. F*** the democrats. I need a vacation.

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's actually going to put his name down on something? There will actually be a record of his opinion on this? I'll believe it when I see it.

Nuclear Meltdown!

"This is not the FISA bill I thought I knew."

Senator Reid right now is hitting on Senator Cantwell I believe.

I think the emergency slide deployed on Obama's plane after it detected the air coming out of his balloon...

July 2008: The Left goes under that fucking bus.

re: #19 debutauntUh, little green arugalas?!

re: #40 bosforus

"The FISA Fight" has been as backbone to Kos as supporting Obama. This is just great.

Krauthammer said that Obama isn't meandering to the center, he's sprinting.

Expect Obama to come out and say "I have not changed my position" and "What's all this fuss?"

re: #52 Sir Napsalot

Expect Obama to come out and say "I have not changed my position" and "What's all this fuss?"

Yes, he will claim that the media got his position wrong all along.

Obama will throw the media under the bus, and not for the first time either.

My guess...he figures once he is President he will appoint Supreme Court Judges that will overturn it anyway.

I wish he'd vote against it. You know he wants to.

re: #52 Sir Napsalot

Expect Obama to come out and say "I have not changed my position" and "What's all this fuss?"

I will continue to refine my position on Eastasia, which has never been at war with Oceania.

re: #54 Ford_Prefect

My guess...he figures once he is President he will appoint Supreme Court Judges that will overturn it anyway.

Unless someone has a case that directly affects them, I doubt it'll ever go to the Supreme Court even if this is passed.

re: #28 lawhawk

It should be all too apparent to anyone with a pulse that Obama stands for only one thing - the capacity to get elected President.

He has no moral or ethical center. He opposed FISA because it was expedient to do so when he needed to get the far left to support him.

Now, he needs the rest of America to believe that he supports national security and therefore votes accordingly (if he decides not to vote present).

I'm sure his advisors have run the numbers to see what would happen if he voted for it, against it, and present.

That's no way to conduct any kind of policy.

That's the type of CHANGE he keeps promising....

re: #53 lawhawk

Like all self absorbed intellectuals he fancies himself so much smarter than the Plebes that he can talk his way out of anything.

Obama to release his latest "I have always said..." statement shortly, no doubt.

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

I've always been impressed with the elevated level of political discourse at Daily Kos. Nuanced.

re: #39 Peacekeeper

He has no moral or ethical center. He opposed FISA because it was expedient to do so when he needed to get the far left to support him.

So that's it means- Change We Can Believe In

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you have the expediency is misplaced. He supports terrorists' rights. However, if he votes against this bill and something were to happen, he knows it would be lights-out for his campaign. Today's vote is what's expedient.

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

Wimp. The word CT yanqui is too scared to type is "Fuck".

re: #52 Sir Napsalot

See also:
You haven't been listening.

It's not Obama. It's your fault that you don't understand his nuanced positions. It's certifiably Kerryesque. (Or Kafkaesque)

re: #51 debutaunt

Krauthammer said that Obama isn't meandering to the center, he's sprinting.

Let's hope he overshoots it and ends up too far to the right. Not that I'd want him that close to me.

do we have to translate it into spanish first?

re: #63 MandyManners

Wimp. The word CT yanqui is too scared to type is "Fuck".

Oh. I thought it was an outraged : FINE!

In other news, the Department of Defense just announced that they're recompeting the KC-X contract after the GAO agreed with Boeing over the whole debacle. Slow day I guess.

re: #28 lawhawk Hey there lawhawk!
"That's no way to conduct any kind of policy" - it is if you're only policy is to get elected POTUS. As I've said MANY times out here, Barack Hussein Obama (D-Il) is a totally amoral being. All that matters to him (and more importantly to his very close personal supporters) is to get elected. Period.
I'm just surprised at the Koskids, though - I mean for 8 years now, we all have known that if something is bad for America, the Dems will cheer for it cause it gives them HOPE to CHANGE the pattern of POTUS voting since 2000.

re: #63 MandyManners

How's my laundry coming? I like a little fabric softener, and please separate my colors from my whites. Thanks.

The instigators of Re-create '68 will be overjoyed.

Between this and the convention commisars' decision to release fried food from the nutrition gulag, the old agitators will once again have an excuse to live out their nostaligic fantasies on the streets of Denver.

Feingold-Dodd Amendment fails : 32-66

re: #34 Charles

It's pretty unbelievable what's going on at MSNBC these days. Completely taken over by hard core moonbats.

Charles...thanks for the thread. This story and the retribution will build throughout the day.

I think Huffpo is waiting for the actual vote before they post anything...any bets on the comments being turned off?

re: #64 lawhawk

Thanks, I have been educated...
Can I have your permission to use the word Kafkaesque?

re: #39 Peacekeeper

He has no moral or ethical center. He opposed FISA because it was expedient to do so when he needed to get the far left to support him.

So that's it means- Change We Can Believe In

I BELIEVE he will CHANGE directions whenever he finds it expedient.

(moral compass came without a needle).

re: #63 MandyManners

Wimp. The word CT yanqui is too scared to type is "Fuck".

He might not be bright enough to spell it properly, Mandy.

Wow, those Kos Kids certainly do throw quite a tantrum when they don't get their way. I wonder if they are blue yet from holding their collective breath.

Isn't this just another distraction? Actual votes? When will we hear that?

re: #68 Kaitian868

That's actually good news. And McCain's been pushing for this whole mess to be recontracted. He wanted the leasing deal stricken (a deal that went to Boeing), and then wanted the contract process redone because Airbus got unfair advantage over Boeing.

Curiously, this would benefit Obama's home town of Chicago, which is home to Boeing's HQ.

re: #67 debutaunt

Oh. I thought it was an outraged : FINE!

I was thinking FIST.

Sorry, too much German pron.

re: #70 Kenneth

How's my laundry coming? I like a little fabric softener, and please separate my colors from my whites.

The new term is Euro-fabrics. They get the hot water.

re: #67 debutaunt

Oh. I thought it was an outraged : FINE!

LOL!

re: #70 Kenneth

How's my laundry coming? I like a little fabric softener, and please separate my colors from my whites. Thanks.

RACIST!

How will Hillary vote? Will she court the left or Obama's 11 million dollars?

Spector amendment on the floor now.

re: #79 lawhawk

Alot of Senator's including my two senators (Murray and Cantwell) are for a Boeing win while Senator Sessions and Shelby won't be too pleased if Boeing gets it.

re: #79 lawhawk

That's
actually good news. And McCain's been pushing for this whole mess to be
recontracted. He wanted the leasing deal stricken (a deal that went to
Boeing), and then wanted the contract process redone because Airbus got
unfair advantage over Boeing.

Curiously, this would benefit Obama's home town of Chicago, which is home to Boeing's HQ.

Really? I though that Boeing HQ was in Seattle?

IF ONLY Hillary sticks around longer. We could have a real cat fight on the DNC floor.

re: #76 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He might not be bright enough to spell it properly, Mandy.

Well, he knows it has four letters.

re: #74 Sir Napsalot

Thanks, I have been educated...
Can I have your permission to use the word Kafkaesque?

I was going for Orwellian, but hey, why not a little of both? Something both ominous and absurd!

A clown shoe stepping on a human face, forever.

re: #86 Kaitian868

Alot of Senator's including my two senators (Murray and Cantwell) are for a Boeing win while Senator Sessions and Shelby won't be too pleased if Boeing gets it.

It's hard to imagine why Murray and Cantwell want a Boeing win.
/

re: #88 Sir Napsalot
What makes you think she's isn't gonna stick around?

re: #87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Really? I though that Boeing HQ was in Seattle?

Nope, that got moved. You can blame our idiot Washington politicians for allowing that.

re: #88 Sir Napsalot

IF ONLY Hillary sticks around longer. We could have a real cat fight on the DNC floor.

Do you believe she's a good sport who has given up?

re: #87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Really? I though that Boeing HQ was in Seattle?

They moved.

I think it would be dangerous to assume that he has no moral compass. It is true that he will do anything to get elected, but then he will start trying to lead us in a direction that none of us want to go.

If he was nothing more than an amoral windbag who wanted to be President, then he wouldn't be half as dangerous as I believe he is.

re: #69 realwest

Hey there lawhawk!
"That's no way to conduct any kind of policy" - it is if you're only policy is to get elected POTUS. As I've said MANY times out here, Barack Hussein Obama (D-Il) is a totally amoral being. All that matters to him (and more importantly to his very close personal supporters) is to get elected. Period.
I'm just surprised at the Koskids, though - I mean for 8 years now, we all have known that if something is bad for America, the Dems will cheer for it cause it gives them HOPE to CHANGE the pattern of POTUS voting since 2000.

Aren't most politicians (most, not all) amoral beings, anyway? I mean, I figure one would have to be to possess as much vaunting ambition that many of them do.

re: #68 Kaitian868

So is this the second recompete? And is Boeing going to offer USAF something they can actually use this time?

re: #87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Boeing still retains a major presence in Everett and Seattle, but moved the HQ to Chicago in 2001.

Another flip-flop. . .there's a shock.

This could be a hopeful sign.
It may indicate that B*O understands what the pop-left really is; a media-based cultural phenomenon** without substance, ethics, or honor; and that he owes them nothing.

**Basically an advertising gimmick run amok, see Conquest of Cool by Thomas M. Frank.

Wish I were a fly on the wall at Kosville.

I keep remembering the vision I had where Senator Clinton won........

It's not over 'til it's over.

re: #94 debutaunt

Do you believe she's a good sport who has given up?

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. (Who said that originallY?)

re: #93 Kaitian868

Nope, that got moved. You can blame our idiot Washington politicians for allowing that.

I had to read that twice before understanding. The idiots (this time) were in washington state.

An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry. ~T.S. Eliot

re: #103 MandyManners

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. (Who said that originallY?)

Vince Lombardi

re: #53 lawhawk

Yes, he will claim that the media got his position wrong all along.

Obama will throw the media under the bus, and not for the first time either.

The media like it under the bus, methinks - they keep coming back for more ...

re: #88 Sir Napsalot

Remember -- she only suspended her campaign. There's still time for a bloody, bone-crushing, hugely entertaining floor fight.

re: #68 Kaitian868

BA trading at 66 ish
P/E 11.5
EPS trailing 5.75
Dividend on 8/6/08

It should run hard when things turn around...

re: #100 looking closely

Another flip-flop change in course. . .there's a shock.

How the Obama camp will see this vote.

re: #98 joncelli

So is this the second recompete? And is Boeing going to offer USAF something they can actually use this time?

No, the detail is the same but with actual fairness to the bill. What the last contract failed to considered was that they did not account for military construction to accommodate the huge A330 size including shady math figures. Boeing had suggested the 777 which is the direct competitor of the A330 but the AF declined so Boeing never proposed it.

Also, Airbus is a heavily subsidized corporation which is not supposed to be tolerated in the free market system. Even Germany had put out a contract for a medium size cargo plane limiting it only to European manufacturers thus cutting out Boeing/Lockheed Martin out of the process. Therefore Airbus won the contract easily with the A400M.

I can't stop laughing.

re: #96 Ford_Prefect

I think it would be dangerous to assume that he has no moral compass. It is true that he will do anything to get elected, but then he will start trying to lead us in a direction that none of us want to go.

If he was nothing more than an amoral windbag who wanted to be President, then he wouldn't be half as dangerous as I believe he is.

I think it is fair and proper to assume that the man has no principles.

If Obama seriously is reversing his position on FISA because of ideological reasons (ie he suddenly realized its good law that we need as a nation), than he's both unqualified to be President and too disingenous to be a US Senator.

re: #106 bosforus

Vince Lombardi

Thanks!

OT:
Why You Should Never Fly In An Iranian Aircraft

July 9, 2008: On July 7th, an Iranian F-5 fighter crashed during a training exercise. One could understand that, as the F5 was an American built jet fighter Iran bought over three decades ago. Spare parts have been hard to come by, but Iran has managed, sort of.

The big problem is not the loss of three decade old U.S. jet fighters, but the many other older transports and airliners that have been going down. In the last six years, there have been at least a dozen crashes, leaving about 700 passengers and crew dead. Most of the downed aircraft were not American. Many of the lost aircraft were Russian, a nation that has no problems selling Iran aircraft parts. So what's the problem? Simple. Iranian aircraft maintenance sucks. That's because a lousy economy and a really bothersome lifestyle police have caused many technically skilled people to flee the country. Plenty of competent Iranian aircraft mechanics and engineers in southern California, not so many in Iran.

To make matters worse, anything involving aviation in Iran, gets a lot of attention from the secret police. Anyone of questionable loyalty to the clerical theocracy (that runs the country) is not suitable for key jobs (be they technical or managerial.) As a result, many organizations in Iran, especially government controlled ones, are poorly run. That can be fatal for passengers in Iranian aircraft. There are plenty of dead bodies and aircraft wreckage to prove it. It also says a lot about the readiness and capabilities of the ships and aircraft of the Iranian armed forces.

re: #108 joncelli

Remember -- she only suspended her campaign. There's still time for a bloody, bone-crushing, hugely entertaining floor fight.

Or a brawl at Invesco field...

re: #104 DeafDog

I had to read that twice before understanding. The idiots (this time) were in washington state.

Haha, yes. There was a huge uproar about that when Boeing moved the HQ and why our politicians didn't do enough to accommodate Boeing to stay in Seattle.

Man, that Obama bus must have been ordered with all wheel steering.

re: #97 The Pulchritudinous Patriot Well it sure seems that way today. But there was a time (and may still be amongst the least well know politicians, see, e.g., Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo) where political beliefs were actually based on what the politician thought was best for the Country.
Course, guys like John Fucking Murtha, John Kerry, Al Gore and, of course, Barrack Obama, counter that trend with doing ONLY what's right for THEM personally.
And while I have no doubt that there are indeed amoral Republicans, who stand only for whatever will get them re-elected, I'm hard pressed to name any. A lot of us don't like McCain. He knows that and still won't change what he believes in just to court us as voters.

And surprise, surprise! Approval rating for Congress is now in the single-digits!

re: #114 MandyManners

Thanks!

Have to admit I didn't know it off the top of my head. Or even recognize it. Just Googled it.

re: #113 looking closely

Don't assume that because someone doesn't share your principles that that means he has none.

re: #99 lawhawk Boy, I sure hope someone tells Dust-off 057 that - he's supposed to be the executive in charge of Safety for Boeing and he's in Seattle!

Senator Warner's wearing a goofy suit today.

I didn't know Obama actually voted on things.

re: #103 MandyManners

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. (Who said that originallY?)

Kerry?

re: #125 pat

I didn't know Obama actually voted on things.

Because that's not change!

The amendment to repeal immunity just failed. 32-66

re: #103 MandyManners
Might have been George Patton or Leo Deurocher (sp).

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Look at #72 :D

OT:

Shares of the New York Times racing towards their 52 week (and 5 year) low.

/Whats that noise? Is that...snickering?

Helpful link for today's koswear: [Link: mcphee.com...]

re: #129 realwest
Or Vince Lombardi. I'm pretty sure it was one of those three!

re: #131 experiencedtraveller

OT:

Shares of the New York Times racing towards their 52 week (and 5 year) low.

/Whats that noise? Is that...snickering?

Actually, I hear desperation.

Very smart move by Obama to move his acceptance speech to the stadium.

The media story line moves totally away from Clinton infighting at the convention to a JFK style new politics, blah, blah, blah.

I was going to say it's sad that these folks are so foolish to never realize they're being played. Candidates promise them the moon in the primaries, only to drop these far-left, seriously out-of-touch with the mainstream nuts during the general election.

Then I realized they have to be fools to believe what they do.

"If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, f__k their women, and then come in here the next day and vote against them, you don't belong here."
-Jesse Unruh (D)

re: #135 faraway

Very smart move by Obama to move his acceptance speech to the stadium.

The media story line moves totally away from Clinton infighting at the convention to a JFK style new politics, blah, blah, blah.

Who plays the role of Marilyn Monroe?

re: #60 Occasional Reader

Obama to release his latest "I have always said..." statement shortly, no doubt.

Of course he will...but he will add, "For those that have been listening and paying attention, I have always supported the FISA bill". "Well kind of...when it was politically in my best interest to do so"...

re: #115 Kenneth

Very Interesting

re: #138 debutaunt

too easy...Scarlett Johanson.

re: #138 debutaunt

Who plays the role of Marilyn Monroe?

scarlett johannsen (sp?)

re: #115 Kenneth

I would be amazed if they could get a single F14 airborne.

re: #107 yma o hyd
I think fewer and fewer keep coming back. They still love Obama, but are really getting tired of taking the rap for his bullshit ("That reporter quoted me inaccurately" "That news station didn't put my speech in the proper context" gets old really quickly).
And if any significant portion of the MSM turns on Barry, it's GOODBYE BARRY!

Specter Amendment fails: 37-61

re: #130 Kaitian868

Ah, I'm slow thins morning.

F*** Yeah!

re: #143 pegcity

I would be amazed if they could get a single F14 airborne.

Well, we wouldn't have any problem with IFF these days. We no longer fly the F-14, so any of those that do manage to get wheels up would be toast.

re: #142 faraway

scarlett johannsen (sp?)

Gee whiz. I was hoping for Marilyn Manson.

re: #124 Kaitian868 I guess that's cause it suits his personality! LOL!

Gotta love this PuffHost heads exploding

Who is this guy and what the hell is he doing?

Well, it seems that Barack Obama can and will do whatever he pleases -- particularly if it paves the way to victory.

Hillary's doing what every woman does before a big party -- she's getting her nails done. With big, sharp points at the tips. Meow.

re: #124 Kaitian868

Senator Warner's wearing a goofy suit today.

Senator Warner

re: #79 lawhawk

That's actually good news. And McCain's been pushing for this whole mess to be recontracted. He wanted the leasing deal stricken (a deal that went to Boeing), and then wanted the contract process redone because Airbus got unfair advantage over Boeing.

Curiously, this would benefit Obama's home town of Chicago, which is home to Boeing's HQ.

That's bad news actually. The Northrop bid was far and away better than the Boeing bid, which was a "Good Enough" bid with lots of risk in it. The KC-30 (the base tanker type that Northrop would convert to the KC-45) is already flying and major components of the KC-45, such as the refueling boom, have already been flight tested.

This Re-bid will delay the replacement of our tankers by another two years at least. Two years during which our current fleet of ancient tankers will have to cover while the company that lost the lease deal due to some incredibly unethical conduct gets another chance. This contract would not have been overturned had there been another American manufacturer of airplanes capable of this task, but as it stands, there is a single US source for those types of planes, and by god, the politicians they bought and paid for had better protect it.

Actually that's my mistake. It's not Senator Warner's that's wearing the goofy suit. It's Senator Bond from Missouri.

re: #135 faraway Well I'm not so sure of that. He's only using the stadium for his acceptance speech; any fight from Hillary will be held at the DNC site in downtown Denver.

Hizbollah Ready For Another Rocket War

July 9, 2008: With Hizbollah installing thousands of rockets along its northern border, and some longer range rockets further away in central Lebanon, Israel is developing tactics it hopes will minimize the damage if there's another war like the one in 2006. Back then, the Israeli Air Force thought it could shut down the Hizbollah rockets from the air. But Hizbollah managed to launch 4,200 rockers, while the Israeli Air Force, despite flying 11,870 sorties, only found and destroyed 126 launchers.

So the next time around Israel is prepared to use anti-missile missiles against some 300 long range missiles (supplied by Iran via Syria). In 2006, Hizbollah fired some 200 long range missiles. Next time, Israel expects about 5,000 short range (6-20 kilometers) missiles, and will take those out with ground forces, using new equipment and tactics.

The UN peacekeepers now patrolling the Israeli border in southern Lebanon are not stopping Hizbollah from installing these 5,000 missiles. Hizbollah has intimidated the peacekeepers, who simply pretend they don't see the Hizbollah preparations. Otherwise, Hizbollah has made it clear that it will go to war with the Peacekeepers. So, in order to keep the peace, the Peacekeepers just pretend to do their job.

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

Wow. Apparently Tony Montana posts over at DKos.

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

PRESENT!

thats what i figure

#120

9%, huh? I believe venereal diseases have a higher approval rating...

re: #34 Charles

It's pretty unbelievable what's going on at MSNBC these days. Completely taken over by hard core moonbats.

The level of fear and desperation in the establishment media is almost palpable. They will never admit it publicly, of course, but media insiders know that Obama might be in trouble and, worse, that his election is their last chance to revive their dominance and head off extinction.
Without Obama, there will be no fairness doctrine, no ideologically driven ownership restrictions, no attempt to suppress "hate speech" on the internet. In other words, they are doomed and their 50 year reign of terror will come to end.

re: #119 realwest

Well it sure seems that way today. But there was a time (and may still be amongst the least well know politicians, see, e.g., Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo) where political beliefs were actually based on what the politician thought was best for the Country.
Course, guys like John Fucking Murtha, John Kerry, Al Gore and, of course, Barrack Obama, counter that trend with doing ONLY what's right for THEM personally.
And while I have no doubt that there are indeed amoral Republicans, who stand only for whatever will get them re-elected, I'm hard pressed to name any. A lot of us don't like McCain. He knows that and still won't change what he believes in just to court us as voters.

* * *
Moonbat-pandering changeling Chuck Hagel's going to accompany Obama to Iraq, I heard today. He was once a Republican from Nebraska.

re: #156 realwest

Well I'm not so sure of that. He's only using the stadium for his acceptance speech; any fight from Hillary will be held at the DNC site in downtown Denver.

I'm all for an Obama/Hillary cage match in the middle of the stadium.

re: #151 faraway Money quote from your excellent link: "FISA, gun control, public finance, the death penalty, religious-based initiatives, late-term abortions, Iraq, turning his back on groups such as MoveOn, and throwing people like Wes Clark under the bus. They all add up to Obama's progressive base wondering with justifiable uncertainty: Who is this guy and what the hell is he doing?"

re: #116 DeafDog

Or a brawl at Invesco field...

Either way...I'd love to see one! I'd actually watch the damn convention.

re: #154 CyanSnowHawk

That's bad news actually. The Northrop bid was far and away better than the Boeing bid, which was a "Good Enough" bid with lots of risk in it. The KC-30 (the base tanker type that Northrop would convert to the KC-45) is already flying and major components of the KC-45, such as the refueling boom, have already been flight tested.

This Re-bid will delay the replacement of our tankers by another two years at least. Two years during which our current fleet of ancient tankers will have to cover while the company that lost the lease deal due to some incredibly unethical conduct gets another chance. This contract would not have been overturned had there been another American manufacturer of airplanes capable of this task, but as it stands, there is a single US source for those types of planes, and by god, the politicians they bought and paid for had better protect it.

Actually that's wrong. The boom is not flight tested. Airbus has yet to develop a working boom for the Air Force to test in realistic conditions.

And no, the bid was not far better than the Boeing bid. The military construction costs and math figures counted by the Air Force were both inaccurate and had massive errors in accountability of the contract according to the GAO. Now, Boeing appealed on 117 cases or around that number which the GAO only agreed with 8 of those appeals.

And the delay is not that significant. The KC-X contract mandates the planes are supposed to be delivered in 2013/4.

re: #156 realwest

The media is already talking about dropping or slashing coverage at the convention in order to cover the big speech.

re: #137 rawmuse

"If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, f__k their women, and then come in here the next day and vote against them, you don't belong here."
-Jesse Unruh (D)

Sociopath. Not you rawmuse...most politicians.

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. (Who said that originallY?)

Anyone standing next to Al Gore and / or John Kerry...?

Bah-zing!

I always hate to show my age, but with a Mother who served in WW 2 and a Father who served in WW 1 (and an uncle by marriage who served in the Spanish American War) I always get to wondering what these fruitcakes would be saying/doing if there were a real threat to America on her own soil. So far, it has been limited to some terrorist bombing sort of stuff. I do not minimize that, I knew a couple of folks who didn't make it through 9/11, but I am talking about real junk like the Cuban missile stuff where we might have had some global damage. But then again, I am just bitter and clinging to my large stash of bibles and large stash of firearms. Wiretapping international calls comes under the general heading of intelligence. You still need a court order after showing probable cause to wiretap domestic calls. I hate to inform the Kosmonuts but the folks that are after us are not playing by the "play nice" rulebook.

F*** Pelosi

Two bags and a flag.....

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

Eloquent, as usual.

Apparently the irrational notion that the amount of cursing deployed will somehow convince others to empathize with their concerns continues to be a concept they cling to like the bratty children they are.

Note to Lefty: The dosage of F-bombs you hurl in your tantrums will in no way recruit me to your viewpoint. Despite the degree of juvenile satisfaction it may bring you, obscenity does not equal legitimacy.

re: #160 TOWM

#120

9%, huh? I believe venereal diseases have a higher approval rating...

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

re: #154 CyanSnowHawk

Also the requirements of refueling in air mandates that it must suit all platforms that have refueling capabilities especially the V-22 Osprey. The KC-767 has the capability to do that but the KC-30 does not without offloading it's fuel to another platform.

re: #144 realwest

I think fewer and fewer keep coming back. They still love Obama, but are really getting tired of taking the rap for his bullshit ("That reporter quoted me inaccurately" "That news station didn't put my speech in the proper context" gets old really quickly).
And if any significant portion of the MSM turns on Barry, it's GOODBYE BARRY!

* * *
As if! Old Democrats are hanging all their hopes to "take back the country" on him.

At Arlington Cemetery's Metro station last week, teachers boarded the train wearing National Education Association (NEA) shirts with big Obama symbols on the front.

Democrats will stay true to him; this is but a lover's spat!

re: #144 realwest

That will become very interesting!
What amazes me is that he's so careless so early on into his campaign.
With his ability for under-the-bus-throwing, chances are that the MSM may very well turn on him well before November.

re: #167 faraway That'll change really quickly if Hillary makes a real run at him. Don't forget that the Superdelegates can vote for whomever they want to AT THE CONVENTION.

re: #167 faraway

The media is already talking about dropping or slashing coverage at the convention in order to cover the big speech.

Darkened rooms. Cigar smoke. Sneaky deals...

John McCain is unassailable on security but MUST hone his domestic message to exude the optimism of the American Spirit ala the great Ronald Reagan. I truly believe John McCain can deliver the goods if only the hardcore conservatives can moderate their distaste for "maverick", get behind him, and push for better border security with optimism instead of cynicism and skepticism. I know that's a tall order given the history of rhetoric vs. action on border security issues. But.....Obama is simply not an option. Getting in bed with Maverick and focusing the power of the right is far better than the scorched earth path of letting the traitorcrats ruin the nation while standing by and saying " I told you so!".

re: #166 Kaitian868

Actually that's wrong. The boom is not flight tested. Airbus has yet to develop a working boom for the Air Force to test in realistic conditions.

And no, the bid was not far better than the Boeing bid. The military construction costs and math figures counted by the Air Force were both inaccurate and had massive errors in accountability of the contract according to the GAO. Now, Boeing appealed on 117 cases or around that number which the GAO only agreed with 8 of those appeals.

And the delay is not that significant. The KC-X contract mandates the planes are supposed to be delivered in 2013/4.

Actually it is right. The boom that Northrop built was flight tested and delivered fuel to aircraft in-flight already.

Northrop Grumman’s KC-45A Aerial Refueling Boom System has completed 73 test flights and more than 200 flight hours. The boom completed the first in-flight fuel transfer on 29 February ‘08.

The first Northrop Grumman KC-45A tanker aircraft was built in July ‘07 and flown in September ‘07.

The Northrop Grumman KC-45A is based upon the Royal Australian Air Force KC-30B Multi-role Tanker, which has been built, flown and tested. It will be delivered on schedule to the Royal Australian Air Force in early 2009.

re: #55 MandyManners

I wish he'd vote against it. You know he wants to.

I'd at least have some respect for Obama if he showed a spine and voted against it, but this proves what I've thought about Obama all along -- he's a puppet.

It's not only BHO who's changed his mind on this issue. The democrat who was elected when Mark Foley messed up down here wrote a long letter to a local newspaper some months ago, explaining why he was voting against the bill. His (main) reason was the issue of immunity for telecommuncations companies. But he recently changed his mind and has announced he will vote for it. What's going on?

OT...I posted this on another thread, but everone moved...lol

Osama Bin Laden's teen aged son...kids say the damnedest things.

The teen declared in his demented ditty to fanatics: “Accelerate the destruction of America, Britain, France and Denmark.”

A whole new generation of terror.

re: #180 CyanSnowHawk

That's inaccurate. The boom you are describing was delivered from an A310 platform. The A330 platform has yet to deliver fuel using their boom.

[Link: www.aviationweek.com...]

"The boom on the A330 has not yet been extended during flight.

The boom system has been flying on an A310 test bed conducting various risk reduction activities."

What really drives me insane, is not that he flat out contradicts his positions in the primaries, (I think this is perfect) but that the opponent's political machine does absolutly nothing to take advantage of something that they don't have to spin at all.

This guy is serving up political suicide on a platter, and the RNC have decided to go on a hunger strike.

re: #183 jorline

OT...I posted this on another thread, but everyone moved...lol

Osama Bin Laden's teen aged son...kids say the damnedest things.

A whole new generation of terror.

fixed

re: #166 Kaitian868

And no, the bid was not far better than the Boeing bid. The military construction costs and math figures counted by the Air Force were both inaccurate and had massive errors in accountability of the contract according to the GAO. Now, Boeing appealed on 117 cases or around that number which the GAO only agreed with 8 of those appeals.

And the delay is not that significant. The KC-X contract mandates the planes are supposed to be delivered in 2013/4.

The KC-45A competition was the most rigorous and transparent acquisition process in DoD history.
The USAF did not dictate the size of the proposed tanker -- size was not a criteria. Each contractor was free to propose the best solution to meet Air Force warfighter requirements.
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Acquisition John Young stated the “Air Force conducted a very open, fair and detailed competition process with good communication with the bidders.”
Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition Sue Payton declared: “As Source Selection Authority, I have determined that Northrop Grumman’s offer clearly provides the best overall value to the Government…higher mission capability, past performance, and IFARA evaluation…lowest cost.”

Nobody in the industry thinks Boeing can deliver on time.

re: #184 Kaitian868

That's inaccurate. The boom you are describing was delivered from an A310 platform. The A330 platform has yet to deliver fuel using their boom.

[Link: www.aviationweek.com...]

"The boom on the A330 has not yet been extended during flight.

The boom system has been flying on an A310 test bed conducting various risk reduction activities."

But it is the boom that will fly on the KC-45, is it not? The system is flying and delivering fuel. Where is Boeing's fuel delivery system? It's on paper.

re: #187 CyanSnowHawk

According to what? You know, I know you're copying and pasting those quotes from sites that are extremely pro-Airbus, an illegal subsidized company that is unfairly given advantages over it's competitors.

Maybe you should go ahead and read the GAO report.

George W Bush - buffoon or great leader?
By Sameh El-Shahat

Take the Iraq war for example. OK, so he got us into Iraq in the first place. But for Pete’s sake, he’s the leader of the world’s only superpower. He needs to take decisions, even if sometimes they have nasty consequences - which is far better than we do in Europe, where we enjoy dithering not as a means to an end, but as an end in itself.

Something had to be done about Iraq and our government was all for attacking it too. So let’s not blame G.W. for the war.

And when things did go wrong in Iraq, and there were calls to pull out, Mr Bush just followed his own counsel and doubled his bet with the Surge.

And he was right because Iraq is in a relatively better shape today than it ever was and Al Qa'eda is a shadow of its former self in that country.

This is a man who has the courage of his convictions.

Let’s not forget how Europe does wars.

Usually we wait and wait until the enemy starts attacking, then we let them win a bit, then we fight until we are tired, then we just call the US to come over to clean our mess.

That is what happened in WWI, WWII, and the Balkans.

Bush is just showing us what a bunch of dangerous ditherers we are and we hate him for it. Naturally.

Wow! A British Muslim praises Bush!

re: #188 CyanSnowHawk

But it is the boom that will fly on the KC-45, is it not? The system is flying and delivering fuel. Where is Boeing's fuel delivery system? It's on paper.

Again, the boom has yet to be fixed and Boeing has over 40 years of refueling history on the KC-135 and the KC-10 Extender.

As I've stated in that link, the boom that Airbus was used on an A310 platform, not the A330 platform. Plus it fails the Air Force refueling requirement to support all platforms including the V-22 Osprey at the operational weight that it flies at.

re: #189 Kaitian868

According to what? You know, I know you're copying and pasting those quotes from sites that are extremely pro-Airbus, an illegal subsidized company that is unfairly given advantages over it's competitors.

Maybe you should go ahead and read the GAO report.

Do a little reading yourself.

KC-45 America's new tanker.

re: #153 jorline

Senator Warner

The suits fine, it's Warner that's goofy.

Also I like to explain that the boom that Boeing designed is functional and exists. They've tested this platform back in January 29, 2008.

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

I'd guess it's "F*** anyone who doesn't share their very narrow point of view on everything. I'll help them out and suggest they just change it to "F*** THE WORLD" because no one will agree with most of your insane ideas you F***ING LOON.

Sorry, these crazies really bring out the worst in me. Unfortunatly they are the very loud minority that expect to be treated like the majority. The country has never been the same since the ACLU won the right for crazy people to refuse treatment.

re: #165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Democratic conventions can be very entertaining.

re: #190 Kenneth

Let’s not forget how Europe does wars.

Usually we wait and wait until the enemy starts attacking, then we let them win a bit, then we fight until we are tired, then we just call the US to come over to clean our mess.

WOW!

re: #190 Kenneth

Wow! A British Muslim praises Bush!

Like any magician you can't watch their mouth why they talk...watch the hands.

Translation:

F*** 'em all...we want the next Joseph Stalin!

re: #185 formercorpsman Hey there my friend - if you take a look at my #164, you'll see that Hillary Dem's are doing that for the Republicans!
Don't forget, there is a LOOOONG way to go to the election and McCain said he was taking public funding and Obama flip-flopped on that too, so McCain's behind Obama, money-wise, by about $100 million or so. McCain has to conserve his resources. And as long as the Dem's are ripping each other up, I respect him for standing back and letting 'em go ahead with it!
BTW, did I mention I hope it rains like hell in Denver* when Obama's supposed to make his acceptance speech.

* After the audience has been seated.
;')

News Flash

Obama announces he will levitate the entire audience in Denver.

re: #190 Kenneth
Who, Kenneth, thanks a lot for that!

OT This just in: Don't go to Dubai, get drunk, and then have sex on the beach.

re: #203 Catttt

OT This just in: Don't go to Dubai, get drunk, and then have sex on the beach.

Thats always good advice

re: #201 faraway

News Flash

Obama announces he will levitate the entire audience in Denver.

And spin them all at the same time...without breaking a single person.

Ugh, she's a bowser.

re: #189 Kaitian868

According to what? You know, I know you're copying and pasting those quotes from sites that are extremely pro-Airbus, an illegal subsidized company that is unfairly given advantages over it's competitors.

And yet Boeing is successfully competing against them in the civilian aviation market.

re: #191 Kaitian868

Again, the boom has yet to be fixed and Boeing has over 40 years of refueling history on the KC-135 and the KC-10 Extender.

As I've stated in that link, the boom that Airbus was used on an A310 platform, not the A330 platform. Plus it fails the Air Force refueling requirement to support all platforms including the V-22 Osprey at the operational weight that it flies at.

Boeing also has a history of unethical behavior regarding government contracts, specifically the lease deal that got overturned in 2003. May I remind you, Boeing's CEO was forced out over that, and the lead Air Force procurement officer when to prison over it.

And again I ask, where is Boeing's refueling boom?

re: #207 CyanSnowHawk

PIMF went to prison

re: #190 Kenneth
And I'd add (from your link) the following:
"This is refreshing, and very scary for us who are used to our politicians always talking grandly about principles and hiding behind political mumbo-speak.

The fact is you guys hate Mr Bush because he is not a hypocrite and you are used to hypocrites as your leaders. We hate what we don’t understand.

Yes, yes, all you bleeding heart liberals are cringing out there. I can just hear you. But the fact is, Mr Bush has had to take some very tough decisions and the world needs people who can not only talk but also act tough and admit mistakes.

Of course you think Mr Obama is going to make a difference, but as I write this, he’s already giving all the signs of somebody who will say anything to get into power only to act in exactly the same way as the Washington clique he aims to replace!

Hating George W. Bush is not only dull and unoriginal, but it shows a complete lack of understanding of the world in which we live in."
Spot damn on!
Thanks again for that one Kenneth!

Further, Obama will set about putting hands on the liberals in attendance and heal them of their wicked ways and let them see the light and embrace his spinning and flipping.

F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!

Someone forgot to take their medication this morning.....

re: #201 faraway

News Flash

Obama announces he will levitate the entire audience in Denver.

He will also convert the turf to high grade Maui Wowie

re: #196 Catttt

Democratic conventions can be very entertaining.

I know, but there is only so much bullshit I can take in one day.

It will be interesting to see what happens this go round...there is potential for some fine smack down action there.

re: #203 Catttt

OT This just in: Don't go to Dubai, get drunk, and then have sex on the beach.

Unfortunately - thats just how Britons (young ones, that is) of both sexes behave in a hot climate: drink until you're 'legless', and have a shag, anywhere, suitable or not.

Serves her right, I'm sorry to say: that policeman warned them - and when he came back they were at it again!
And hen she tried hitting him with her stilettos?
Gimme a break - she deserves all thats coming to her (Foreign Office will get her out in a couple of weks anyway ...)

re: #194 Kaitian868

Also I like to explain that the boom that Boeing designed is functional and exists. They've tested this platform back in January 29, 2008.

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

That's not the boom Boeing is proposing to use for their US tanker.

re: #200 realwest,

Naw, naw, naw, God damn, oh, wait a minute. Wrong rant. I was going to say that I hope that everyone sits politely, and Obama comes to the podium and, as a hush falls over the crowd, a pigeon flies over and shits on Obama's head.

That would be must see TV.

OTOH, a riot would be nice, too :-)

re: #209 realwest

The comments at that page are amazing: some of the readers assume it was all a grand satire.

re: #207 CyanSnowHawk

Boeing also has a history of unethical behavior regarding government contracts, specifically the lease deal that got overturned in 2003. May I remind you, Boeing's CEO was forced out over that, and the lead Air Force procurement officer when to prison over it.

Over the whole lease deal back in 2001 which is one scandal which I'm well aware of. Again it is not justification to punish Boeing nor justification to allow our platform system to be awarded to an illegally subsidized corporation which Germany has excluded both Boeing and Lockheed Martin from competing in any of their markets. Especially when France and Spain have demonstrated cooperation problems over all sorts of platforms that Airbus produces.

And again I ask, where is Boeing's refueling boom?

I already stated this. Boeing has tested their boom back in 2007 and January 28 of this year. If you actually did a little googling over the fly-by-wire boom that Boeing is putting out, they actually successfully tested the platform on an actual 767 rather than a smaller version such as the 707.

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

The moonbat meltdown is getting worse by the moment. What if they self implode? I don't want to have some moonbat blowing up all over me and ruining my new dress!

I posted an imaginary scenario a couple of months ago about what Hillary would do at the convention, but it was promptly deleted. :)

re: #215 CyanSnowHawk

That's not the boom Boeing is proposing to use for their US tanker.

Actually you're wrong. That is the boom they are using. The fly-by-wire boom is the one and the same. Unless you can prove to me it is different.

re: #185 formercorpsman

What really drives me insane, is not that he flat out contradicts his positions in the primaries, (I think this is perfect) but that the opponent's political machine does absolutly nothing to take advantage of something that they don't have to spin at all.

This guy is serving up political suicide on a platter, and the RNC have decided to go on a hunger strike.

* * *
Divisiveness is yesterday's politics, haven't you heard?

Pointing out the guy's record and non-record is mean!

Can't have McCain being mean, like a POW having flashbacks...

(sarcasm)

FISA vote results...McCain did not vote?

Denver Speech Flyer

Witness Rev Obama at the Miracle Faith and Hope Crusade
- Lame will walk
- Deaf will hear
- Blind will see

Obama will be healing the sick, making the blind see

Wow! That Obama is one tough cookie. I'm going to Chicago so I can vote twice. I admire his conviction in the face of pressure from his supporters. Almost as much as I admired his conviction in the face of pressure from his detractors 2 months ago.

/sarc off

re: #223 jorline

FISA vote results...McCain did not vote?

McCain doesn't have anyone to convince/fool/dupe on where he stands.

re: #217 Kenneth
Well of course it could be a satire, but I don't think so - the Brit's invented satire in the English language and spread it all over the world!
I think the dude meant it and even if he didn't, he was RIGHT.
That's why some of the comments are what they are.

re: #216 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - why not BOTH - after the pidgeon shits on Obama, then the Heavens open up and deluge the crowd!
Now that would be MUST SEE TV!

So tough man B. Hussein voted in favor of an amendment to LIMIT immunity (which did not pass). And will later vote in favor of the bill without the amendment. T-R-I-A-N-G-U-L-A-T-I-O-N, also known as C-H-A-N-G-E.

re: #226 CommonCents

McCain doesn't have anyone to convince/fool/dupe on where he stands.

Doesn't matter, two didn't vote, Kennedy and McCain.

He could have shown support...now he will leave himself open to criticism. It doesn't look good when he's trying to secure his base.

re: #219 Tilly
Hey Tilly - just wear old clothes until after the convention when Hillary gets the nomination!
(I can't BELIEVE I'm rooting for Hillary!).

re: #203 Catttt

OT This just in: Don't go to Dubai, get drunk, and then have sex on the beach.

What an idiot. She reminds me of that Michael Faye brat.

re: #228 realwest,

HOPE for CHANGE!

:-)

So.... what does Senator Flippity-Flop actually stand for?

re: #222 alegrias
Hello alegrias! Please see my #164, the Dem's are dividing themselves, and at an accelerating pace, to boot!

re: #234 Wendya

So.... what does Senator Flippity-Flop actually stand for?

He's both for and against it.

re: #234 Wendya

So.... what does Senator Flippity-Flop actually stand for?

A Prius in every garage and a waffle in every pot.

re: #230 jorline

Doesn't matter, two didn't vote, Kennedy and McCain.

He could have shown support...now he will leave himself open to criticism. It doesn't look good when he's trying to secure his base.

Kennedy - he surely is not well enough to be at the Senate, is he?
So - do you have a gentleman's agreement, like we do in the British Parliament, where someone from the opposing party will not vote if someone from the main party is off ill? Its quite informal, its called 'pairing', and its usually accepted by the party whips.
If you ahve that arrangement, then McCain could simply have 'paired' with Kennedy?

Just a thought ...

re: #223 jorline Probably because most of the Repubs were voting nay on the bill - the purpose of which was:

"To limit retroactive immunity for providing assistance to the United States to instances in which a Federal court determines the assistance was provided in connection with an intelligence activity that was constitutional."

It wasn't THE vote on FISA as far as I can tell.

re: #234 Wendya,

Haven't you listened to him? He's for hope and change! He is a Lightworker that will make all wrongs into rights! Just project your views onto the tabula rasa he presents, and BELIEVE!

Oh, and vote Obama '08. For the Children™

re: #206 maddogg

Oh and you wouldn't hit that given half a chance, drunk on a beach.

Looks like Arlen Specter was the lone Republican joining the looniest of the moonbats in voting for the amendment.

Nice ideological company you keep there, Arlen.

Well surprise, surprise. They CAN act like grownups once in a while. Nice

re: #245 David Simon

Looks like Arlen Specter was the lone Republican joining the looniest of the moonbats in voting for the amendment.

Nice ideological company you keep there, Arlen.

No, the point is to kill the bill. If he voted against it, he retains the right to bring it back up again. Why do you think Reid every now and then vote against his own bills? To bring it up again when he thinks he has a chance of passing it.

re: #242 realwest

Probably because most of the Repubs were voting nay on the bill - the purpose of which was:

"To limit retroactive immunity for providing assistance to the United States to instances in which a Federal court determines the assistance was provided in connection with an intelligence activity that was constitutional."

It wasn't THE vote on FISA as far as I can tell.

This vote was on the amendment HR 5059...HR 6304...the one that counts will be voted on shortly.

re: #245 David Simon,

Spectre isn't really a Republican. He just calls himself one, but that is as far as his Republicanism goes. RINO in spades.

re: #250 Iron Fist

,

Spectre isn't really a Republican. He just calls himself one, but that is as far as his Republicanism goes. RINO in spades.

I think it's shocking that he's never been investigated for his repeated attempts to kill British Secret Service agents.

(And on the same note, when will Richard Lugar be questioned about his role in providing the Nazis with sidearms in WWII?)

re: #227 realwest

I think his satire was in mocking European, and Arabic, attitudes.

Here's a fascinating series of essays by historians on the question "Has the American Era in the Middle East ended?"

Perspective counts.

Amendment #2 that was voted on.

re: #214 yma o hyd

Unfortunately - thats just how Britons (young ones, that is) of both sexes behave in a hot climate: drink until you're 'legless', and have a shag, anywhere, suitable or not.

Serves her right, I'm sorry to say: that policeman warned them - and when he came back they were at it again!
And hen she tried hitting him with her stilettos?
Gimme a break - she deserves all thats coming to her (Foreign Office will get her out in a couple of weks anyway ...)

with that mug, she's lucky to be getting any, anywhere.

re: #247 Kaitian868

No, the point is to kill the bill. If he voted against it, he retains the right to bring it back up again. Why do you think Reid every now and then vote against his own bills? To bring it up again when he thinks he has a chance of passing it.

Yep, you're right. Thanks for the correction.

The Daily Kos Kooks are already gearing up for a serious tantrum, of course: Daily Kos: F*** the Democrats!

Can't say that I disagree with that sentiment.

re: #254 jorline

Amendment #2 that was voted on.

Amendment reads;
To stay pending cases against certain telecommunications companies and provide that such companies may not seek retroactive immunity until 90 days after the date the final report of the Inspectors General on the President's Surveillance Program is submitted to Congress.

re: #254 jorline Maybe McCain wasn't there today?

re: #257 kansas

The Daily Kos Kooks are already gearing up for a serious tantrum, of course: Daily Kos: F*** the Democrats!

Can't say that I disagree with that sentiment.

Maybe they should start the Kos Party of America?

re: #244 Big Steve

Oh and you wouldn't hit that given half a chance, drunk on a beach.

Woof, woof! Never said I wouldn't hold it against her.....

re: #260 realwest

Maybe McCain wasn't there today?

re: #84 Bubblehead II

McCain is in (ironically enough) South Park, Pa

It's my understanding that this missile test was conducted by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. This is the same organization that I voted to condemn as a terrorist organization when an amendment was on the floor of the United States Senate. Senator Obama refused to vote, called it a provocative step. The fact is this is a terrorist organization and should have been branded as such. " -- John McCain

John McCain
Remarks
South Park, PA
July 9, 2008

LMAO South Park?

re: #263 jorline

How appropriate :)

re: #261 Kaitian868
WOW! You mean actually starting a political party which NEVER wins?!
Nah, keep 'em as Dem's - give the Dem's a few more headaches (the chief one now being what happens if it rains when Obama is supposed to give his acceptance speech - after the audience has been seated (and, a pigeon shits on Obama, h/t Iron Fist).

re: #248 jorline

That was a vote on an amendment, which most Republicans voted against, and most Democrats voted for.

re: #244 Big Steve

Oh and you wouldn't hit that given half a chance, drunk on a beach.

Uh, pass, thanks. (Especially when she's puking drunk... very charming, that.)

The First Black Emperor wears no clothes.

re: #263 jorline

Oh my God! McCain killed Kenny!

re: #265 realwest

Nah, it'll split the votes so it's useful to have them form their own idiotic party.

re: #269 Occasional Reader

I'm not dead yet!