About time, took the fools long enough.

Geez, man. It's been a matter of hours.

Well all I can say is better late than never, but the pro-Mohammed lobby over there must be fuming by now.

That would appear to violate their corrections policy, though it depends on how they treat thelede as part of their publication.

Yay for small victories.

a conservative blog

Close enough.

Damn Charles, you hitting the big-time now. Personally I think your finest moment was when you pwned CBS for their 60 minutes fraudulent documents. You changed the course of the 2004 elections! Whoee!

That's because in their eyes you are an amateur and by gawd they got themselves a real live non-proliferation expert.

Let me get this right, a guy who is against weapons is an expert on knowing if a picture of weapons has been photoshopped.

Grudging acknowledgment, but only when their feet were held to the fire.

They get zero credit for forced ethical behavior.

NYT hit a new FIVE YEAR low on the market today.

In other belated news, the UN now says it will investigate the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

This is months after she's been buried and questions emerged from the outset over the cause of death. A Scotland Yard investigation did little to clear things up either.

That must have been fairly painful for some "progressive" journo over there. I'll bet they drew straws to see who would have to post the credit. ;)

It would have been funnier if you re-directed to the throbbing memo, but that wouldn't have been relevant.

I could probably argue against the "conservative blog" label. Is there a "realist" blog label...

Mazel Tov!

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Close enough.

Beats the hell out of 'knuckledragging neo-con chickenhawks' - which was probably in the first draft.

re: #16 EC Marm

Heh, I'll take what I can get.

"Conservative" as in "wanting to see the unretouched original images."

Aw, it's not all bad that they label LGF a conservative blog. They're just admitting their prejudice as a reason for withholding any credit until now.

re: #16 EC Marm

Beats the hell out of 'knuckledragging neo-con chickenhawks' - which was probably in the first draft.

Heh. Undoubtedly.

Of course, they feel it’s necessary to label LGF a “conservative blog,” even though it has no bearing on the story.

... and LGF really isn't a "conservative" blog.

Way to take on Goliath.

It took awhile, but they eventually had to give in and admit that their professional "deciders" were bested again.

I noticed that, I was wondering when they would give credit where credit is due.

re: #10 experiencedtraveller

NYT hit a new FIVE YEAR low on the market today.

They are all hitting five year lows. The AJC just upped their newspaper price by fifty percent, and volume is dropping fast. Got into a short argument with my lib sister over the issue. She doesn't understand that they are no longer journalists but propagandist.

Where's Cognito? He's got to have a reasonable explanation for this.

/ ;)

I'm not sure I'd label it "conservative". Maybe, "anti-people-f***ing-with-USA"....

re: #25 Cartman

#2

re: #21 Irish Rose

A few disgruntled lizards have recently refered to LGF as "Left of the ACLU".
/Oh well.

We won't have the NYT to kick around for much longer, at the rate of decline their stock will be worth exactly $0 in about 6 months.

Charles Johnson is to the MSM is as Elliot Ness was to the Chicago mob. The Frank Nitti's of the Times beware. Fear the football!

Conserve my one good nerve. Thats why this democrat comes to LGF.

re: #25 Cartman

Where's Cognito? He's got to have a reasonable explanation for this.

/ ;)

Yeah. Probably some sort of bias. Possibly a conspiracy. Because it took 'em, like, several hours.

Oh come now ... should we, could we, hold them to a high standard? Uh, any standard?

Cut them some slack. They do have a lot more on their plate than taking credit for some conservative bloggers sharp eye.

/

re: #27 abolitionist

#2

My bad...I guess.

re: #32 Cognito

Do you ever stop shilling?

If the NYT said LGF is a conservative blog,

it must be true.

The lame gray lady got lamer and had to admit it.

The Attack of the Clone Tool (just scroll to final update)

re: #28 Killgore Trout

A few disgruntled lizards have recently refered to LGF as "Left of the ACLU".
/Oh well.

So Charles, what phrase would you use to define this blog?

Just curious.

One of the authors who tried to claim credit for this, Mike Nizza, has previously (wrongly) identified LGF as a "gun rights advocate," and was forced to issue a correction:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #36 ibmkeyboard

That's because they are objective! ;-)

Probably still puking their guts out over having to pony up the nod.

Yeah but how this exposure of Iranian duplicity effect minorities?

re: #32 Cognito

Yeah. Probably some sort of bias. Possibly a conspiracy. Because it took 'em, like, several hours.

I didn't realize you are a Troll.

Change !

re: #32 Cognito

The problem is that they lifted Charles' story and still haven't corrected the original. They're posting it in their "blog" section but refuse to acknowledge commonly accepted blog practices. It's another example of the MSM being out of touch with what's going on around them.

re: #32 Cognito

Yeah. Probably some sort of bias. Possibly a conspiracy. Because it took 'em, like, several hours.

Lame. Is not proper attribution fundamental to your profession? Why would you go to press without it?

Of course, they feel it’s necessary to label LGF a “conservative blog,” even though it has no bearing on the story.

I wonder how they'd refer to KOS in the same situation.

Reading all the links on the Iran threat above. Frankly, I'm feeling like anything else is a distraction right now, including the fauxtoshopped picture. Yeah, I know we need to "keep a sense of humor." But godDAMMIT, we are talking about crazed religious fanatics with fucking NUKES! This isn't even Britain going through the Blitz. This is the fucking end of fucking civilization in six months to a year!

My Senators and Representatives better hope they don't cross my path because I will physically accost them if they do and ask them why the hell they are not taking this seriously.

In six months to a year, if Iran is not stopped, nothing we think is important today will matter. Nothing. We'll wish we could go back to the good old days of $4.00 gas.

re: #48 MandyManners

I wonder how they'd refer to KOS in the same situation.

Can you say "Main-stream"?

re: #32 Cognito

Yeah. Probably some sort of bias. Possibly a conspiracy. Because it took 'em, like, several hours.

Yeah, but they knew the truth from the first minute they saw the exposed photo, and therefore every second, every minute they failed to report what they knew, they lacked candor, an ethical violation.

re: #40 Charles

Prolly did his research by Googling "bitter" and "cling". ;)

re: #40 Charles

One of the authors who tried to claim credit for this, Mike Nizza, has previously (wrongly) identified LGF as a "gun rights advocate," and was forced to issue a correction:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just another jerk among many.

re: #49 Tigger2005

Reading all the links on the Iran threat above. Frankly, I'm feeling like anything else is a distraction right now, including the fauxtoshopped picture. Yeah, I know we need to "keep a sense of humor." But godDAMMIT, we are talking about crazed religious fanatics with fucking NUKES! This isn't even Britain going through the Blitz. This is the fucking end of fucking civilization in six months to a year!

My Senators and Representatives better hope they don't cross my path because I will physically accost them if they do and ask them why the hell they are not taking this seriously.

In six months to a year, if Iran is not stopped, nothing we think is important today will matter. Nothing. We'll wish we could go back to the good old days of $4.00 gas.

What's the frequency Kenneth?
/

re: #48 MandyManners

I wonder how they'd refer to KOS in the same situation.

We'll never know. The Kostards only produce lies and deception, not uncover it.

re: #35 Charles

Do you ever stop shilling?

I'm not shilling. I think you did a great thing, catching this, as I've said. And I think you deserve the credit, as I've said.

But no, I don't think the bad guy here is the Western media. The bad guy is Iran.

Just my opinion.

re: #39 Irish Rose

So Charles, what phrase would you use to define this blog?

Just curious.

I've been screaming about it for a long time -- I don't believe these antiquated terms work any more. "Conservative" would be OK if the real meaning of the word was intended -- but it's not. At the New York Times, it's a synonym for "right-wing nutjob."

re: #56 Cognito

Just my opinion.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

re: #44 SnowKat

I didn't realize you are a Troll.

He has yet to rise to that standard.

OH MY GOD! THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WET STUFF FALLING FROM THE SKY! I think...it's water... Is it what they call rain? Help an Arizonan out folks.

Can we get rid of Cognito, now?

re: #49 Tigger2005

Reading all the links on the Iran threat above. Frankly, I'm feeling like anything else is a distraction right now, including the fauxtoshopped picture. Yeah, I know we need to "keep a sense of humor." But godDAMMIT, we are talking about crazed religious fanatics with fucking NUKES! This isn't even Britain going through the Blitz. This is the fucking end of fucking civilization in six months to a year!

My Senators and Representatives better hope they don't cross my path because I will physically accost them if they do and ask them why the hell they are not taking this seriously.

In six months to a year, if Iran is not stopped, nothing we think is important today will matter. Nothing. We'll wish we could go back to the good old days of $4.00 gas.

Chill.

re: #56 Cognito

The bad guy is Iran.

A kernel of truth.

re: #40 Charles

One of the authors who tried to claim credit for this, has previously (wrongly) identified LGF as a "gun rights advocate:"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You're not? Uh oh...does your readership know?

on topic: Does it seem at all unprofessional to you when a newspaper endorsed a political candidate for president?

re: #40 Charles

One of the authors who tried to claim credit for this, has previously (wrongly) identified LGF as a "gun rights advocate:"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just clinging to our guns and religion...

re: #48 MandyManners

I wonder how they'd refer to KOS in the same situation.

KOS would never be in the same situation. All they do is rant and swear, never research or investigate. They would be called either mainstream, or progressive.

re: #60 Hard Right

Heh. Is there any lightning? There are few things more impressive than Phoenix lightning displays.

re: #62 ted

Chill.

I'm beginning to think we'll "chill" until we're permanently chilled.

re: #60 Hard Right

OH MY GOD! THERE'S ALL KINDS OF WET STUFF FALLING FROM THE SKY! I think...it's water... Is it what they call rain? Help an Arizonan out folks.

Dance in the rain, Hard-Right!

Meanwhile, at the Washington Post the article on the faked photo has completely vanished.

re: #59 JeremyR

He has yet to rise to that standard.

My bad, I don't hang out here enough. I shouldn't have used a capital T until it earns it.

re: #49 Tigger2005

It's one of several interrelated issues alright. It goes to the heart of the mad mullahs insatiable quest for nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Failure isn't an option, and the photo edit may have been as much for Iranian domestic consumption as to fool the West.

Former Spook had similar thoughts.

re: #66 JeremyR

KOS would never be in the same situation. All they do is rant and swear, never research or investigate. They would be called either mainstream, or progressive.

Exactly. To leftists anyone who disagrees with them is abnormal.

This should be the year the Times finally is rewarded with the Idiotarian of the Year prize. In my estimation this blog is simply Anti-Idiotarian. Not conservative nor liberal (in its proper sense). It what attracts me. I am not a hardened ideologue, nor many others here I suspect.

re: #57 Charles

I used to hate the label "conservative," but I've come to accept it

I've been screaming about it for a long time -- I don't believe these antiquated terms work any more. "Conservative" would be OK if the real meaning of the word was intended -- but it's not. At the New York Times, it's a synonym for "right-wing nutjob."

Its funny about titles and their moments of vogue.

I call myself "Original Liberal" in deference to the American vernacular Poet Ice T`s ballad, OG "Original Gangster."

I think the whacko left will wilt and drop one day like a bad cucumber on a dry plant and it will be safe to be "liberal" again meaning for equality of opportunity, free markets, press etc...

No one really expects the NYT, et al, to be forthright and honest in their own reporting. They have made their own bed.

However, one would think that they would at least give credit where and when it is due, if for no other reason than to maintain the mirage of credibility.

Then again, we are talking about the NYT.

re: #64 DeathtotheSwiss

You're not? Uh oh...does your readership know?

on topic: Does it seem at all unprofessional to you when a newspaper endorsed a political candidate for president?

I take the endorsements of my local rag very seriously. Anyone they endorse I vote for the opposing candidate.

Wow. I check out for a day or two, and suddenly we're all throbbing again! Wassup wi' that?

Sorry I missed it.

Charles, glad to see that you managed to wrestle that thin line of attribution from the Times.

You should have some "kills" made up to paint on the side of your aircraft.

re: #63 experiencedtraveller

A kernel of truth.

And a nifty misdirect

re: #56 Cognito

"But no, I don't think the bad guy here is the Western media. "

Think again.

re: #40 Charles

They must have peeked in during the last SCOTUS decision we discussed here. I believe there were more than just a few expressions of congratulations and various intimations of firing weapons.

re: #64 DeathtotheSwiss

You're not? Uh oh...does your readership know?

I do support the Second Amendment -- but calling LGF a "gun rights" blog is beyond ludicrous.

re: #70 Charles

Here's one... Is there another one?

re: #48 MandyManners

I wonder how they'd refer to KOS in the same situation.

Gospel Troof!

re: #70 Charles

The WaPo article is here

Noted debunker Charles Johnson apparently spotted the photo doctoring Wednesday and posted it on his Web site, LittleGreenFootballs.com.

Noted Debunker!
/Rotating title nomination

Noted debunker Charles Johnson

Rotate!

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Heh. Is there any lightning? There are few things more impressive than Phoenix lightning displays.

Not as much as usual. Strange. It seems we get more lightning when it doesn't rain.

re: #69 LoFlyer

Dance in the rain, Hard-Right!

Last time I did that the police were called. Could have had something to do with the lack of clothing...and the midgets...and the Dallas Cowboys...and donkey...

re: #78 MajorPribluda

Wow. I check out for a day or two, and suddenly we're all throbbing again! Wassup wi' that?

Sorry I missed it.

Charles, glad to see that you managed to wrestle that thin line of attribution from the Times.

You should have some "kills" made up to paint on the side of your aircraft.

I like the idea, Charles you should paint "kills" on the side of your server for every expose you publish!

re: #57 Charles

but it's not. At the New York Times, it's a synonym for "right-wing nutjob."

after all these years I have finally discovered my station in life.

R-W-N-J

/so the NYT would be left wing nut jobs.

not many jobs left over there.

re: #82 Charles

Tell them to take it up with Mr. Mossberg.

re: #68 Tigger2005

I'm beginning to think we'll "chill" until we're permanently chilled.

Stop the alarmism. Don't we have enough ? I have 100% faith in our military.

re: #77 LoFlyer

I take the endorsements of my local rag very seriously. Anyone they endorse I vote for the opposing candidate.

LOL, we have a main street law firm here that helps us sort out candidates in much the same way. If they endorse em we don't vote for em. Just drive by and see what plackards adorn their front yard.

re: #70 Charles

Meanwhile, at the Washington Post the article on the faked photo has completely vanished.

It took them 24 hours to figure out the real source and they'll be damn if they will give YOU credit.

They'd rather burn it.

re: #87 Hard Right

Last time I did that the police were called. Could have had something to do with the lack of clothing...and the midgets...and the Dallas Cowboys...and donkey...

Damn, I'm not sure I would of said that, brother!

re: #87 Hard Right

Then bust out the tinfoil hat and umbrella and jump in the pool!

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

Er, no.

re: #76 researchok

Maybe I'm out of the loop a bit here, but wasn't there recent litigation when blogs used Aps work? So it doesn't work the other way around, then?

re: #70 Charles

Meanwhile, at the Washington Post the article on the faked photo has completely vanished.

I wonder why that is?

*looks at Cognito*

re: #98 Racer X

I wonder why that is?

*looks at Cognito*

It hasn't.

re: #94 LoFlyer

Damn, I'm not sure I would of said that, brother!

Bears fan?

re: #85 Killgore Trout

The WaPo article is here

Noted Debunker!
/Rotating title nomination

Oh yeah. Noted debunker, baby.

re: #96 Cognito

Er, no.

Er, No. What the fuck does that mean. If you have something to say. Is that the way you write?

Whenever the msm uses the conservative label, it's their blatant attempt at trying to neutralize their opposition. They are so ridiculously transparent, it's pathetic.

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Then bust out the tinfoil hat and umbrella and jump in the pool!

Don't have a pool. But my neighbor does. >:) BRB... maybe.

re: #89 ibmkeyboard

Jesse doesn't discriminate.

AP picks up on the missle story but no images or credit to Charles.

re: #100 Hard Right

Bears fan?

No, and I am not big on donkeys either.....

They don't feel the need to label every leftist blob "a liberal blog."

If I cubby-holed LGF, I would call it an anti-terrorism blog.

NYT belatedly to Charles:

Well done, thou good and faithful wild-eyed right-wing conservative servant.

re: #99 Cognito

It hasn't.

I retract my stink-eye.

;-)

re: #85 Killgore Trout

The WaPo article is here

Noted Debunker!
/Rotating title nomination

And below that:

AFP, citing analysts' assessments, reported yesterday that the four-missile photo appeared to have had a little digital work done. "One of the missiles had apparently been added to the photograph using elements from the smoke trail and dust clouds from two of the other missiles," AFP said. The goal apparently was to cover up "a misfiring of one of the missiles," an expert told AFP.

Those Oh-So-Mysterious-Experts.

We know the real expert. Dang, shouldn't you get some kinda finder's fee for this?

re: #56 Cognito

Well, yeah- Iran is the problem... But the MSM and in particular the NYT are doing their dead-level best to see that America sits on its collective hands until the mullahs get bombs. It won't be just one; They will play this hand until they have several then they'll strike, attack Israel, attack the US continent, and expose the other bombs to europe and hold them hostage to prevent the US from retaliating. I would not at all be comforted by the assumption that the US would respond to an attack with our own nukes. The Europeans might actually threaten to attack US with their nukes to prevent us from destroying Iran, because they know they will get creamed before the USA bombs hit. If Obama gets in we are cooked. Our best defense, our only defense is overt demonstration of our strength and determination. The NYT and MSM undermine this daily and they are putting all our lives in a terrible risk.

No, they deserve no credit at all.

re: #107 LoFlyer

No, and I am not big on donkeys either.....

Hey, some of like donkeys...

re: #82 Charles

I do support the Second Amendment -- but calling LGF a "gun rights" blog is beyond ludicrous.

I'm going to say something that might shock people coming from a member of the Military who supports non-felons owning weapons.

I don't think the Constitution is referring to the individual's right to own guns. I think that such a "right" was assumed so basic that no one ever thought it would be challenged. The constitution addresses the rights of the people to have the abilitity to overthrow the government in case I dunno a President decides to start his own "civilian" "intelligence force" the size of the military and just as well funded.

I still don't see how taking away people's guns is going to reduce violent crime, nobody has ever explained how the lack of a particular expensive and efficient weapon will equal out to a lack of particularly violent and evil crimes. And no one has yet to explain how it is you take the guns away from the people who never registered them or who got them through the black market.

re: #40 Charles

One of the authors who tried to claim credit for this, Mike Nizza, has previously (wrongly) identified LGF as a "gun rights advocate," and was forced to issue a correction:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Charles -

Thought you were like SCALIA on the Second Amendment. Like, the right exists - subject to Reasonable Regulation.

-S-

re: #85 Killgore Trout

The WaPo article is here

Noted debunker Charles Johnson apparently spotted the photo doctoring Wednesday and posted it on his Web site, LittleGreenFootballs.com.

Noted Debunker!
/Rotating title nomination

Love how this guy uses Charles' full name, and the name of his blog, but won't link to his original debunking. Even though he linked to no less than ELEVEN other sites just above it.

re: #3 shanec99

Which is why I'll always refer to them as the NY Saddam Times.

re: #86 experiencedtraveller

Rotate!

Seconded!

re: #107 LoFlyer

No, and I am not big on donkeys either.....

It came with the midgets. Never got a chance to find out why. Dance on the neighbor's lawn and they call the cops. Darned prudes.

Noted debunker Charles Johnson apparently spotted the photo doctoring Wednesday and posted it on his Web site, LittleGreenFootballs.com.

lol

Charles Johnson
Noted debunker.

/use that for your stationary.

Too funny. Finally. A conservative blog.
The Times has to have some sort of wee wee pants to the bitter end.

Little Green Footballs, a conservative blog,

But this is a centrist blog.

as shown by how many people post here.

What the NYT says in that paragraph is pretty flattering to Charles and LGF. I think it is good that they put in the aside that it is a "conservative blog," even if their motive is to be dismissive. But it's still accurate and underscores in the context that it was a conservative blog that has brought many cases of fauxtography to light.

While nobody likes to be pigeon-holed, LGF is obviously right-of-center. On some issues, like the ID issue, LGF's stance is not evangelical, but there are plenty of conservatives who think ID is bunk too. So it's accurate to say that LGF is a conservative blog, and politics and global issues from a mostly conservative bent are what the blog generally posts on. So whatever the reason NYT added that aside, whether to diminish the site or to just put in some context about what kind of site it is. Either way, it's not bad to have conservative associated with uncovering the truth.

re: #120 ibmkeyboard

Charles Johnson
Noted debunker.

Business card?

re: #108 Silhouette

They don't feel the need to label every leftist blob "a liberal blog."

If I cubby-holed LGF, I would call it an anti-terrorism blog.

That would be a lot of blob to label.

re: #116 gop_patriot

In an innernets article, no less.

Was it so hard to include a hyperlink?

OT Watchin' Obama and friends throw Jesse Jackson under the bus. Add to list.

re: #122 Ojoe

But this is a centrist blog.

as shown by how many people post here.

Centrist? I'm a little off kilter, thank you very much.

If they'd stop noting so much bunk, it wouldn't require noted debunkers.

[Link: beijingolympicsblog.wordpress.com...]

Beijing Olympic Anti-Terrorism Exercises

*NOT a Republican btw.

I still wish LGF would have an occasional weekend gun thread. Charles could call it "The Saturday Night Special".

/just kiddin'...sort of.

re: #127 dammad

Is there a running list anywheres round here with an ongoing tally of who is under this bus?

re: #114 DeathtotheSwiss

I'm going to say something that might shock people coming from a member of the Military who supports non-felons owning weapons.

I don't think the Constitution is referring to the individual's right to own guns. I think that such a "right" was assumed so basic that no one ever thought it would be challenged. The constitution addresses the rights of the people to have the abilitity to overthrow the government in case I dunno a President decides to start his own "civilian" "intelligence force" the size of the military and just as well funded.

I still don't see how taking away people's guns is going to reduce violent crime, nobody has ever explained how the lack of a particular expensive and efficient weapon will equal out to a lack of particularly violent and evil crimes. And no one has yet to explain how it is you take the guns away from the people who never registered them or who got them through the black market.

How, exactly would the right of the people to have the ability to overthrow the [corrupt] government be secured EXCEPT through an individual right to own and use guns? If you are batting down the "sportsmen, hunters, collectors" nonsense, then I agree, but that is an argument about purpose, not the individual nature of the right, which was clarified in the Heller decision, by the way.
If you truly feel that the Constitution does not refer to the individual's right to own a gun, then that leaves only a "collective right" which does not appear anywhere [else] in the Constitution, and would of course defeat the ability to overthrow.

re: #119 Hard Right

It came with the midgets. Never got a chance to find out why. Dance on the neighbor's lawn and they call the cops. Darned prudes.

If my neighbor danced nude in the rain in my yard, I would probably take a few pictures and offer them a beer. Calling the police on your neighbors for stuff like that is what Democrats do.

Oh bugger. The storm killed the TV. Guess I'll wind up in the neighbor's pool after all.

Of course, they feel it’s necessary to label LGF a “conservative blog,” even though it has no bearing on the story.

Well, since the NYT is so far left - every blog must be "conservative" to them.

re: #85 Killgore Trout

The WaPo article is here

Noted Debunker!
/Rotating title nomination

As opposed to Markos Moulitsas, noted bunker.

I second the nomination for rotating title, and I'm pretty sure we have a quorum.

Charles, I know your humility prohibits you from including such an accolade, humorous as it may be, but we have spoken.

I'm sort of in favor of the 'conservative' name, in this instance.

Firstly because, frankly, I think it's true. For every liberal-leaning post here, there must be a hundred leaning the other way. The blog doesn't specifically address conservatism per se, but it doesn't take a genius to realize it's not exactly The Nation.

More importantly, maybe, the label is being used in a laudatory context. Hooray for the noted debunker: Iran has been shown fraudulent yet again.

If we shun 'conservative' in such an instance, I think the cumulative effect is that there will be liberal blogs that score points (see Media Matters' recent, unfortunate smackdown of Fox News) and there will be amorphous apolitical blogs that score points.

So chin up, I say. The conservatives put a good lickin' on Iran, here.

re: #133 spirochete

Yea, thats gittin to be a BIG bus!

re: #135 LoFlyer

If my neighbor danced nude in the rain in my yard, I would probably take a few pictures and offer them a beer. Calling the police on your neighbors for stuff like that is what Democrats do.

Have you seen my neighbors?

Yeesh!

re: #135 LoFlyer

If my neighbor danced nude in the rain in my yard, I would probably take a few pictures and offer them a beer. Calling the police on your neighbors for stuff like that is what Democrats do.

Can never have enough blackmail material. I used to say that to my friends at parties when I would stay sober while they drank.

re: #132 Cartman

I still wish LGF would have an occasional weekend gun thread. Charles could call it "The Saturday Night Special".

/just kiddin'...sort of.

Sounds good to me, how about a thread on the merits of a .45 vs. a 12 guage Mossberg?

re: #91 ted

Stop the alarmism. Don't we have enough ? I have 100% faith in our military.

So do I. It's their civilian leaders I don't have much if any faith in.

re: #128 Hard Right

Centrist is more believable I think: I call myself a centrist & people listen more than if I say "Right".

re: #74 The Shadow Do

This should be the year the Times finally is rewarded with the Idiotarian of the Year prize. In my estimation this blog is simply Anti-Idiotarian. Not conservative nor liberal (in its proper sense). It what attracts me. I am not a hardened ideologue, nor many others here I suspect.

Anti-Idiotarian

Glad I read the thread as someone else has posted what I believe to be the best over-all description of this blog that we all love so much.

Can we send this along to the NYT?

Would they understand the term?

re: #140 Cognito

I'm sort of in favor of the 'conservative' name, in this instance.

Firstly because, frankly, I think it's true. For every liberal-leaning post here, there must be a hundred leaning the other way. The blog doesn't specifically address conservatism per se, but it doesn't take a genius to realize it's not exactly The Nation.

More importantly, maybe, the label is being used in a laudatory context. Hooray for the noted debunker: Iran has been shown fraudulent yet again.

If we shun 'conservative' in such an instance, I think the cumulative effect is that there will be liberal blogs that score points (see Media Matters' recent, unfortunate smackdown of Fox News) and there will be amorphous apolitical blogs that score points.

So chin up, I say. The conservatives put a good lickin' on Iran, here.

Here, I agree with you. Even if the Times knee-jerk was to dismiss LGF as "ooh, conservative, scary", the fact is that they associated getting their own asses fact-checked with the LGF conservative FCYA mode of operation.

This blog doesn't run on Hope. It runs on facts.

re: #132 Cartman

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

re: #144 LoFlyer

Sounds good to me, how about a thread on the merits of a .45 vs. a 12 guage Mossberg?

Didn't we already do that one?

re: #132 Cartman

I still wish LGF would have an occasional weekend gun thread. Charles could call it "The Saturday Night Special".

/just kiddin'...sort of.

But then every one would be shooting their mouth off. Messy messy messy.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

Don't be afraid of guns. Be afraid of bullets.

re: #140 Cognito

Crap, Cog. There you go being all sensible and such. Everyone want to hate you and then you go and say something reasonable. Oh well. Cheers!

re: #142 Racer X

Have you seen my neighbors?

Yeesh!

re: #146 Ojoe

Centrist is more believable I think: I call myself a centrist & people listen more than if I say "Right".

Well, everyone that knows me understands I'm off a bit.

re: #146 Ojoe

Centrist is more believable I think: I call myself a centrist & people listen more than if I say "Right".

When you're as far left as the NYT, the center looks like the right.

re: #140 Cognito

Thats one way to look at it, and reasonable people would, however the left spits out the term "conservative" like it was a bad thing.

re: #57 Charles

At the New York Times, it's a synonym for "right-wing nutjob."

Exactly.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

Boo!

re: #133 spirochete

Has to be one somewhere. Let's start our own until we find it! I can think of Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Fleger, Obama's Grandmother, Hillary Clinton (obviously), Rezko, and now Jesse. Hmmm.....

re: #140 Cognito

So chin up, I say. The conservatives put a good lickin' on Iran, here.

I'm not conservative. I have nothing against them but I'm not one of them.

re: #138 Purple Prose

As opposed to Markos Moulitsas, noted bunker.

noted blunderer

re: #150 Noam Sayin'

Didn't we already do that one?

Probably, I vote for .45 for conceal ability and the Mossberg for flat-out killing power.

re: #112 sojerofgod

Well, yeah- Iran is the problem... But the MSM and in particular the NYT are doing their dead-level best to see that America sits on its collective hands until the mullahs get bombs.

This is crap.

There is a vast, deep liberal bias in American media. It's terrible. But to say that people are determined to see the insane leaders of Iran gain a nuclear bomb is utter trash.

And if they were indeed so determined, they wouldn't have shown the video and photos at all. They would have buried them. They certainly wouldn't have shown a problem-free four-missile launch. Instead they showed the video and photos -- as Charles rightly did -- because what the Iranians are up to is heinous and deserves attention. Right now.

re: #153 The Shadow Do

He has ulterior motives. Trust me.

re: #137 FrogMarch

Of course, they feel it’s necessary to label LGF a “conservative blog,” even though it has no bearing on the story.

Well, since the NYT is so far left - every blog must be "conservative" to them.

How about Patriotic Blog? We are something KOS will never be and infact hates.

Did somebody say GUNS?

/Russian site but loaded with tech specs and photos...

re: #152 MajorPribluda

Don't be afraid of guns. Be afraid of bullets.

Guns don't kill people. The bullets do!
/

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

Familiarity dispels the fear! Just ask my wife. Now a real pistol packin' mama.

re: #166 Hard Right

I've just never become comfortable with them.

re: #153 The Shadow Do

Crap, Cog. There you go being all sensible and such. Everyone want to hate you and then you go and say something reasonable. Oh well. Cheers!

He's passive/agressive. It's his control thing.

re: #152 MajorPribluda

Don't be afraid of guns. Be afraid of bullets.

Unless you are Superman. He wasn't afraid of bullets. They just bounced off him. However when the criminal threw the gun at him, he ducked.

re: #165 experiencedtraveller

Did somebody say GUNS?

/Russian site but loaded with tech specs and photos...

Gun PORN. WOOOHOOO!

re: #161 LoFlyer

Probably, I vote for .45 for conceal ability and the Mossberg for flat-out killing power.

Actually, both sides had good arguments. I like the pucker factor of racking a round into the Mossberg 500, but I have a lot of big windows. However, the .45 presents some collateral damage issues, which can be negated by the use of frangible bullets.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

Don't fear the gun, fear the idiot. Once you have a gun your self, and learn to shoot, that fear will become less and be replaced with confidence that you can deal with idiots.

re: #143 Hard Right
Whoa, Hard! I LIKE your style!

re: #162 Cognito

Wrong.

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Body of soldier missing for a year in Iraq has been found, his father says

Cogito Ergo Sum...Cogito

A professional debunker is an editor.

So Charles, when is the NYT going to make you an offer? Kinda looks like their professional debunkers aren't.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I've just never become comfortable with them.

That's not a bad thing. There is such a thing as being too comfortable with them.

re: #120 ibmkeyboard

lol

Charles Johnson
Noted debunker.

/use that for your stationary.

"i-k-b" -

Noted Debunker is not only a term of honor, it is also politically correct. My cousin had an "African-American" Partner in an electronics store, pre-PC and pre-DVD. He was about as politically correct as Ambassador Keyes. You would be rolling on the floor if I told all 'y'all what he put on his business card, for the record, it was ALL initials.

-S-

re: #144 LoFlyer

Sounds good to me, how about a thread on the merits of a .45 vs. a 12 guage Mossberg?

Cartman...must...try...to...stay...on...topic...

;)

re: #139 Noam Sayin'

I second the nomination for rotating title, and I'm pretty sure we have a quorum.

Charles, I know your humility prohibits you from including such an accolade, humorous as it may be, but we have spoken.

But isn't something like that where "reasonably competent computer enthusiasts" came from?

re: #171 Hard Right

Gun PORN. WOOOHOOO!

I know what you mean, just looked at it and found a .505 round I had never seen before....

Good evening all y'all - I'm not quite as late to the party as usual, but I'm still a little late......and dragging cause I messed up my med schedule.

What's going on?

re: #162 Cognito

And the NIE on Iran was touted as the last word on Iranian bomb Making, right at the crucial moment, because....?
The document was a piece of horseshit and that should have been the lead story, but was it?

Their attitude has always been that they must act to counter the "neocon" cabal that wants to attack Iran because they are all bloodthirsty jews.

This stuff is all over the net.

re: #172 Noam Sayin'

Actually, both sides had good arguments. I like the pucker factor of racking a round into the Mossberg 500, but I have a lot of big windows. However, the .45 presents some collateral damage issues, which can be negated by the use of frangible bullets.

Get a Taurus 45/410. One look at the thing and folks crap. A revolver with a three inch cylinder!

As long as we're on the gun talk. Does anyone know about the Hi-Point handguns? They're ugly as hell, but inexpensive. I have heard some positive reviews, but I really trust the collective firearms knowledge here.

re: #176 HelloDare

msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Body of soldier missing for a year in Iraq has been found, his father says

Yup. I am in Lawrence, Mass. as we speak. I have been wondering when this news would come around. Sad day. I think his fiance may be "undocumented" but I'm not sure.

re: #160 ibmkeyboard

noted blunderer booger

re: #174 Carridine

Whoa, Hard! I LIKE your style!

They used to just laugh when I said that. Heh heh heh.

Love this Obama angle - "regrets" [Link: www.ajc.com...]

re: #138 Purple Prose

As opposed to Markos Moulitsas, noted bunker.

"P-P" -

Markos has about the same credibility as Sergeant Bilko, Bunko Artiste.

-S-

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

There's a lot of talk about b00bs and p3nises here too, but we're not a pr0n blog. Are we?

re: #134 MajorPribluda

How, exactly would the right of the people to have the ability to overthrow the [corrupt] government be secured EXCEPT through an individual right to own and use guns? If you are batting down the "sportsmen, hunters, collectors" nonsense, then I agree, but that is an argument about purpose, not the individual nature of the right, which was clarified in the Heller decision, by the way.
If you truly feel that the Constitution does not refer to the individual's right to own a gun, then that leaves only a "collective right" which does not appear anywhere [else] in the Constitution, and would of course defeat the ability to overthrow.

I'm just saying the wording doesn't imply anything but the fact that they DEFINITELY didn't want anyone taking the right of militias to bear arms.

Guns though, as known by the Founding Fathers, serve more purpose than JUST over-throwing governments. They procure food, defend from wild animals and are excellent tools for self-defense and wonderful crime deterrents. If criminals know you're likely packing they might re-think assaulting you.

If we can get a conservative majority in both houses we can add to the constitution the individual's right to bear arms, but I honestly don't think the original intent had anything to do with that. The right to own a gun was considered OBVIOUS. If the people who wrote the constitution thought that your right to defend yourself was going to be threatened in a century or two they would have been more specific on the subject.

re: #162 Cognito

Not trash, Cognito.

The MSM may not verbalize or visualize their liberal goals in such words, but the practical effect is, nonetheless, very much as Sojer puts it:

re: #112 sojerofgod

Well, yeah- Iran is the problem... But the MSM and in particular the NYT are doing their dead-level best to see that America sits on its collective hands until the mullahs get bombs.

Whether MSM thinks it wants this or THINKS it wants something else, the MSM appears to be doing all it can to stupefy America, lull it, belittle Iranian belligerence and handcuff Mr Bush...

I hear John Belushi yelling "Food fight!," only he is saying:

"GUN THREAD!"

re: #183 LoFlyer

I know what you mean, just looked at it and found a .505 round I had never seen before....

(runs to search)

re: #186 JeremyR

I favor the mossberg 500. I have the 10 shot "streetsweeper" model in a handy location, 00 Buck x 10
Those magnum rounds kick like hell too.

re: #184 realwest

Good evening all y'all - I'm not quite as late to the party as usual, but I'm still a little late......and dragging cause I messed up my med schedule.

What's going on?

Well, the ceiling is dripping, the flowers in the wallpaper are marching across the room from side to side, and all of our wristwatches are running at different speeds, each one correct. So you're really not so far off.

re: #172 Noam Sayin'

Actually, both sides had good arguments. I like the pucker factor of racking a round into the Mossberg 500, but I have a lot of big windows. However, the .45 presents some collateral damage issues, which can be negated by the use of frangible bullets.

*swoons*

re: #188 spirochete

Yup. I am in Lawrence, Mass. as we speak. I have been wondering when this news would come around. Sad day. I think his fiance may be "undocumented" but I'm not sure.

Well, she's alright with me.

re: #186 JeremyR

Get a Taurus 45/410. One look at the thing and folks crap. A revolver with a three inch cylinder!

Too f*cking big. I was on a shooting point once next to some guy shooting the Ruger Alaskan. I thought the f'er blew up in his hand. I nearly hit the deck.

I swear you could see a shock-wave when he fired the thing. That just can't be enjoyable.

They labelled LGF a conservative blog to invoke the story of the blind squirrel who found a nut.

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Kilgore,

Let me give you different advice.

Try a gun out on a range.

If you still fear it, just don't get one.

Guns are dangerous devices in the hands of someone who is not confident in their ability to handle it.

If that's the case and you need personal protection there is pepper gel (my fave non-gun), and tasers (public ones are not real good because the attacker has to practically be on you to use it).

Old school non-gun weapon is a knife which in close quarters can be surprisingly effective but again you will be in close proximity to your attacker.

My 2 cents but do not ever feel you have to have a gun if it makes you uneasy.

re: #200 MandyManners

i never had much faith in the frangble stuff, i assume you mean plastic-hulled shot rounds like the Glazer Safety slug...

double-nought buck just has such a nice ring to it...

re: #187 Noam Sayin'

As long as we're on the gun talk. Does anyone know about the Hi-Point handguns? They're ugly as hell, but inexpensive. I have heard some positive reviews, but I really trust the collective firearms knowledge here.

Don't know much about the Hi-point, but I have noted that many of the new semi-auto pistols are butt-ugly. The Walther PPK is an elegant weapon. Can't say the same for what is marketed nowadays. Even a Colt .45 looks better than 95 percent of the hand guns marketed today.
PS. I truly did not mean to get us off the subject on this thread...

re: #184 realwest

Good evening all y'all - I'm not quite as late to the party as usual, but I'm still a little late......and dragging cause I messed up my med schedule.

What's going on?

Cognito's weaseling himself into a corner again.

re: #190 Hard Right
Struth, right? Tell people calmly, straight-faced what's there, deep in your heart, and they laugh, pshaw! and go on acting foolishly anyhow!

Me? I prefer sobriety, too...

/...I'm tired of waking up on the floor...
No thank you please
It only makes me sneeze...
Then it made it hard to find the door!

re: #187 Noam Sayin'

handguns?

Oh no no Noam! Handguns?

Real guns...

OK lizards, single mom raising a male teenager alone is requesting some advice.

my 16 year old son just came to me for a heart to heart.

He's been in a "relationship" with a young lady for about two years now, and it seems that lately he's started to develop feelings for the girls' best friend.

He doesn't want to hurt this young lady, but he's having trouble denying his feelings. She found out about this "betrayal" today, and now she's collapsed into a teary, emotional heap at home. A hunger strike seems imminent.

My son feels like a heel.
But he hasn't changed his mind either.

What do the male lizards here recommend?

The main stream media is dying a slow death. Every time they make an obvious mistake, or intentionally omit important information, they take another step closer to the grave.

They may never go completely belly up, but they will be looked at as The Globe, or The Weekly World News.

In this information age you really have to try harder and be more diligent - because there are millions of internet users just waiting to fact-check-your-ass.

re: #200 MandyManners

*swoons*

Give me some sugar, baby.

re: #162 Cognito

Always the devil's advocate never the advocate.

The NYT just doesn't trust anyone exposing Iranian national security secrets, especially when the secrets weren't leaked to them by anonymous government sources.

I've always considered Charles a...guitar player. ROCK IT, ICARUS!

re: #203 mich-again

They labelled LGF a conservative blog to invoke the story of the blind squirrel who found a nut.

The NYT should refer to themselves as scumbag media. That's more accurate than calling LGF conservative.

re: #210 Irish Rose

Ho Boy. That's a hard one. Better not ask me. Haven't dated since it was fashionable to me a Gallumph of a male

re: #214 Dar ul Harb

The NYT just doesn't trust anyone exposing Iranian national security secrets, especially when the secrets weren't leaked to them by anonymous government sources.

And weren't damaging to the Bush Administration.

re: #162 Cognito

This is crap.

There is a vast, deep liberal bias in American media. It's terrible. But to say that people are determined to see the insane leaders of Iran gain a nuclear bomb is utter trash.

And if they were indeed so determined, they wouldn't have shown the video and photos at all. They would have buried them. They certainly wouldn't have shown a problem-free four-missile launch. Instead they showed the video and photos -- as Charles rightly did -- because what the Iranians are up to is heinous and deserves attention. Right now.

Cognito - There is such distrust of certain members of the MSM, many people believe that they would show the video and photos for the purpose of scaring people into insisting that our government remains hands-off rather than protecting us, which would result, in my opinion, in ensuring that the insane leaders of Iran gain the upper hand.

But I gave you an upding, anyhow, because . . . well, I sort of feel sorry for you.

Evening Real! Hope you are doing well! Did you get any of the bif thunderstorms we saw in the ATL today?

re: #172 Noam Sayin'

Actually, both sides had good arguments. I like the pucker factor of racking a round into the Mossberg 500, but I have a lot of big windows. However, the .45 presents some collateral damage issues, which can be negated by the use of frangible bullets.

The 12 gauge also has some issues. Allow me to 'splain. A .22LR bullet can penetrate 9 sheets of drywall. The .30 pellets in OO or OOO buck can also penetrate an entire house if it doesn't strike something harder than drywall. That is assuming you miss, of course.

re: #210 Irish Rose
Immediate enlistment in a monastic retreat.

Contemplate the enormity of his glandular indiscretion.

Return to active duty circa 2010.

/good luck, Irish!

re: #212 Noam Sayin'

Ahhh Bruce Campbell I love ya!

re: #199 MajorPribluda
Whoa, you have MUCH better meds than do I! LOL!

This is the final nail in the NYT's coffin....all we have to do is shovel some dirt into their grave and call it a day.

re: #210 Irish Rose

Personally, since he is just 16, I'd tell him to leave both of them alone. There are LOTS of other girls out there, and he has all the time in the world to find them.

If he doesn't want to date the girlfriend any more, break up. But don't mess with the friend, either. I do know people who have found their life's love that way; but they were older and able to become engaged/move in/marry/whatever, and old enough to deal with the consequences (like everyone hating them, and not having to be in school with them. LOL

/ps my son is 18, and that's the advice I'd give him. Just mho :)

Feeling like a heel is not an uncommon occurrence for the male of the species. Unfortunately, he needs to get used to it.
There's no way that everyone is going to end up happy in the short term.
Points to him, tho for seeing the situation.

re: #70 Charles
This, the fact that the pictures of the missile launch and the highlighting of the cloning tool showed up on LGF first, but was not mentioned, at all,
in the mains stream media, NYTs WaPo, etc. bothered me all day.

Maybe it's the west coast time lag. After all, you have to sleep sometime.
But I sometimes wish you had an east coast bureau chief to scream bloody murder about this lack of attribution.

But it's great to hear that there is now, at least some record of LGF's involvement with debunking this photo!

And also credit to the poster that sent you the original "heads up."

Nice job, both of you!

Meanwhile, at the Washington Post the article on the faked photo has completely vanished.

re: #210 Irish Rose

What do the male lizards here recommend?

Let it ride. He will be the dumper and the dumpee many times in his life. They both suck but the dumpee sucks the worst. He'll find his way (although it will be painful). Don't be too callous or too concerned. He'll figure it out.

re: #49 Tigger2005

Reading all the links on the Iran threat above. Frankly, I'm feeling like anything else is a distraction right now, including the fauxtoshopped picture. Yeah, I know we need to "keep a sense of humor." But godDAMMIT, we are talking about crazed religious fanatics with fucking NUKES! This isn't even Britain going through the Blitz. This is the fucking end of fucking civilization in six months to a year!

My Senators and Representatives better hope they don't cross my path because I will physically accost them if they do and ask them why the hell they are not taking this seriously.

In six months to a year, if Iran is not stopped, nothing we think is important today will matter. Nothing. We'll wish we could go back to the good old days of $4.00 gas.

i couldn't agree more.

re: #35 Charles

Do you ever stop shilling?

You're like a cat playing with a mouse..just waiting for the right moment to pounce..

re: #210 Irish Rose

How does the 'friend' feel? is she 'stealing' her friends guy? If he wants to break up with the girl, just do it clean and honest. I suspect though that this new girl is trouble. If she is willing to betray her girl friend, she will betray the boy too. Just a matter of time there.

My opinion, worth what ya paid for it !

re: #210 Irish Rose

OK lizards, single mom raising a male teenager alone is requesting some advice.

my 16 year old son just came to me for a heart to heart.

He's been in a "relationship" with a young lady for about two years now, and it seems that lately he's started to develop feelings for the girls' best friend.

He doesn't want to hurt this young lady, but he's having trouble denying his feelings. She found out about this "betrayal" today, and now she's collapsed into a teary, emotional heap at home. A hunger strike seems imminent.

My son feels like a heel.
But he hasn't changed his mind either.

What do the male lizards here recommend?

I really don't know what to recommend, except your son should follow his heart. All kids get hurt in their first relationships. 99 percent survive and thrive in the future.

re: #194 DeathtotheSwiss

I think it is pretty clear, in the context of the times, that gun ownership was central to protecting oneself from an oppressive government. Nothing more, nothing less.

re #162

The mainstream press is totally complicit when it comes to the machinations of the terrorist regimes, even if it's a question of incompetence (and not a purposeful campaign of misinformation). It's been said here before by some wise people, and I'll say it again. They'll take the word of some megalomaniac terrorist regime over the word of our own president. And they'll try to influence their audience to do the same by any means necessary.

re: #212 Noam Sayin'

Give me some sugar, baby.

One lump or two?

re: #209 experiencedtraveller

LOL! What the f*ck am I going to do with that? I live in the inner city.

re: #206 LoFlyer

I have a Walther PPK - stainless steel, cuz it's sexy. I love the thing. It's a magnificently engineered piece of machinery - simple, yet sophisticated. A work of art, really.

re: #147 ctrlL

Anti-Idiotarian

Glad I read the thread as someone else has posted what I believe to be the best over-all description of this blog that we all love so much.

Can we send this along to the NYT?

Would they understand the term?

I second the motion. When I explain this blog to anyone I use the term Anti-Idiotarian because when I joined oh so long ago, that is what hooked me.

Good suggestion, The Shadow Do.

re: #207 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! He is, is he? I dunno, though Noam, I read one of his comments upthread and it seemed to make perfectly good sense to me - stopped clock or a change?

re: #187 Noam Sayin'

As long as we're on the gun talk. Does anyone know about the Hi-Point handguns? They're ugly as hell, but inexpensive. I have heard some positive reviews, but I really trust the collective firearms knowledge here.

If the goal is personal protection, money should be no object. Generally speaking, one does indeed get what one pays for. Firearms are no exception, IMHO.

re: #226 gop_patriot

Personally, since he is just 16, I'd tell him to leave both of them alone.

What GoP said, Rose...

re: #149 Killgore Trout

There's a lot of gun talk here. I'm afraid of guns and even I'm thinking of buying one soon.

I lost my fear of guns in ROTC in high school, but never owned one until a few years ago.

But the fact is that guns are tools whose only real purpose is the taking of life. It's a big responsibility to own one, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

re: #210 Irish Rose

Tell him to date both....

re: #209 experiencedtraveller

Oh no no Noam! Handguns?

Real guns...

Droooollllll. I'd kill for the Barrett .416, myself.

re: #243 Charles

Yeah, I'm not big on responsibility.

OK Everyone -

I will NOW give all 'y'all my take on the Second Amendment. The Militia Qualifier assumed that all physically capable "free" males were PART of the Militia.
Time has passed, and the BASE has enlarged to include both former slaves and females as potential members of that Militia. The Military service of both has proved this assumption to be true.
That being so - as ALL physically capable PERSONS are potentiallly the Militia, all such persons are AFFIRMED in their PRE-CONSTITUTIONAL right to Keep and Bear Arms.

-S-

We are, of course, "a preserving blog."

(Though we don't discuss canning and pickling all that often.)

re: #210 Irish Rose

....one idea: You sit him down and explain to him that at age 16, these things happen. And, it isn't a big deal.... it's called growing up. Tell him not to feel too bad about it. But, tell him that maybe he should take a break from all of this for a while to think about what he has learned and why he came to feel the way he feels. That way, her feelings won't be completely trashed, and that after some time alone, he will be more certain of what he does next time. Maybe a quick card to his (ex) girlfriend telling her thanks for everything.... perhaps that he is sorry things turned out this way and to wish her all the best. Then buy him some ice cream.

re: #210 Irish Rose

OK lizards, single mom raising a male teenager alone is requesting some advice.

my 16 year old son just came to me for a heart to heart.

He's been in a "relationship" with a young lady for about two years now, and it seems that lately he's started to develop feelings for the girls' best friend.

He doesn't want to hurt this young lady, but he's having trouble denying his feelings. She found out about this "betrayal" today, and now she's collapsed into a teary, emotional heap at home. A hunger strike seems imminent.

My son feels like a heel.
But he hasn't changed his mind either.

What do the male lizards here recommend?

Uh, go ahead and break her heart of course. She's 16, she'll get over it. Mention that although it may seem to him and to them that this is the first and only time such a thing has happened in the history of the world, it actually goes on all the time, every day, and 99.9% of kids deal with it and move on. Also tell him he'll probably get tired of her best friend after a while too.
/Dr. Phil

re: #220 LoFlyer Hi there LoFlyer - nope they missed us, but they sure hit the mountains to our North and West something fierce! Guess we got lucky - just had a little rain.
How are you doing tonight?

re: #194 DeathtotheSwiss

I'm just saying the wording doesn't imply anything but the fact that they DEFINITELY didn't want anyone taking the right of militias to bear arms.

Guns though, as known by the Founding Fathers, serve more purpose than JUST over-throwing governments. They procure food, defend from wild animals and are excellent tools for self-defense and wonderful crime deterrents. If criminals know you're likely packing they might re-think assaulting you.

If we can get a conservative majority in both houses we can add to the constitution the individual's right to bear arms, but I honestly don't think the original intent had anything to do with that. The right to own a gun was considered OBVIOUS. If the people who wrote the constitution thought that your right to defend yourself was going to be threatened in a century or two they would have been more specific on the subject.

You're a little late, and a lot mistaken. Here is the SCOTUSblog's wiki on DC v Heller, which is balanced coverage of the decision, which explicitly finds that the right is is manifestly an individual right. Further, please see this brief filed in support of Mr. Heller's position, which hinges upon the right being individual in nature. Like every other right which exists. There is no such thing as a collective right, no matter what the race-mongers and the socialists would have us believe.

The Declaration of Independence and much of the Constitution as amended are concerned with setting down in writing things which were considered obvious, even self-evident. Stop chasing the canard that if something was considered obvious, then by definition, the Constitution does not protect it. It's exactly backwards.

re: #238 Noam Sayin'

LOL! What the f*ck am I going to do with that? I live in the inner city.

re: #206 LoFlyer

I have a Walther PPK - stainless steel, cuz it's sexy. I love the thing. It's a magnificently engineered piece of machinery - simple, yet sophisticated. A work of art, really.

Mine is blue, my dad gave it to me. I think it is the best concealed weapon on the market. Doesn't have big high powered ammo, but at 15 feet it do the trick!

re: #238 Noam Sayin'

LOL! What the f*ck am I going to do with that? I live in the inner city.

re: #206 LoFlyer

I have a Walther PPK - stainless steel, cuz it's sexy. I love the thing. It's a magnificently engineered piece of machinery - simple, yet sophisticated. A work of art, really.

Whatever you wanted too. >:)

re: #198 sojerofgod

I favor the mossberg 500. I have the 10 shot "streetsweeper" model in a handy location, 00 Buck x 10
Those magnum rounds kick like hell too.

Throw your 00 away and drop down to #4. With 00 yo uare sending 1.125 oz of shot, where as with #4 it is 1.33 oz, plus you increase your count from 9 to 27 a three fold increase in probable hits.
Anything over #1 bird is a good antipersonnel round.

re: #210 Irish Rose

OK lizards, single mom raising a male teenager alone is requesting some advice.

my 16 year old son just came to me for a heart to heart.

He's been in a "relationship" with a young lady for about two years now, and it seems that lately he's started to develop feelings for the girls' best friend.

He doesn't want to hurt this young lady, but he's having trouble denying his feelings. She found out about this "betrayal" today, and now she's collapsed into a teary, emotional heap at home. A hunger strike seems imminent.

My son feels like a heel.
But he hasn't changed his mind either.

What do the male lizards here recommend?

I just read your anedote to my sons. The older son, seventeen, said this, "the whole point of dating is to get to the end game, which is marriage." (I can't believe he's saying this, honestly!). Then he suggested that your son date the gal he actually likes and allow his ex-girlfriend to recover. He also suggests your son lay out the situation completely honestly to his ex-girlfriend, face-to-face.

For what its worth.

It is hard, isn't it, Irish Rose?

Interesting moment asking my son about what your son should do. Hmmmm.

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re: #235 The Shadow Do

I think it is pretty clear, in the context of the times, that gun ownership was central to protecting oneself from an oppressive government. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just as central as I think it is now.

Here's what really gets me. If the code-pink whackos got what they want hunting rifles would be taken from law-abiding citizens, hand-guns taken away from families in high-crime neighborhoods and prisons would literally be revolving doors for anyone not guilty of a thought-crime.

re: #221 Hard Right

It's the windows I'm worried about. I have a huge picture window, and a front door with beveled glass windows. I'll stick with my 9mm or .380 and frangible bullets and take my chances.

re: #237 MandyManners

One lump or two?

One big one.

Heh.

re: #152 MajorPribluda

Don't be afraid of guns. Be afraid of bullets.

I'm MUCH more afraid of people who have no training or experience in the proper handling of firearms.

Charles, you could go by the pseudonym

"no teddy bunker"

or something like that!

re: #251 realwest

Hi there LoFlyer - nope they missed us, but they sure hit the mountains to our North and West something fierce! Guess we got lucky - just had a little rain.
How are you doing tonight?

I'm doing fine Real, just enjoying the talk and the company!

Rose, GOP absolutely nailed it.